Forrest Gump (1994) / Glenmorangie Nectar D'or Single Malt Scotch

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In 1994, director Robert
Zemeckis and star Tom Hanks gave

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the world a rambling exploration
of what it was like to live

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through one of the most
tumultuous periods in American

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history.
In 2024, we matched this movie's

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Oscar gold with some nectar
gold.

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The film is Forrest Forrest
Gump.

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The whiskey is Glenn Moringey
nectar.

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We'll review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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How many times do you think
we're going to do that this

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episode?
Oh, at least 47.

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I still don't know how we didn't
pair originally Nectar D or with

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a Denny Villeneuve movie.
Well, I think this was this

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pairing happened before we ever
got around to Denny Villeneuve.

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So maybe next time we can do it
because we'll get into talking

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about our whiskey for the day.
But they've released a new

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expression of this, Brad.
It's a 16 year age stated

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version now.
So perhaps our next Denny

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Villeneuve film can be paired
with Nectar.

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But let me go back to my
original prompt here.

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My name is Bob Book.
Who are you?

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Oh, I'm Brad G It's great.
Great to meet you, Bob.

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This week on Film and Whiskey we
are looking at the 1994 Best

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Picture winner, Forrest Gump.
Or, as the guy dressed like Abby

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Hoffman says in this movie,
Forrest Gump.

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Bro it's my favorite part of the
whole movie.

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I've never noticed the way he
says it before, but this time

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through I was like, what did he
just say?

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My name, My name is Florence
Gump.

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Florence Gump.
Then everybody in the crowd

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goes.
Gump, what a great moment.

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I don't know just how to
moderate the two poles of

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thought that I have on this
film, Brad, because I really

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want to talk about the movie as
a piece of cinema and and

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evaluate it as a work of art,
talk about my issues with it.

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I also just want to sit here and
quote Forrest Gump for an hour

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because I'm sure I said this on
our first episode.

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This was probably my most quoted
film for a long, long time.

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Like I remember we were in
college once and I just remember

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for some reason there was like,
you know, we were, we were on a

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retreat or something and there
were like 8 guys sleeping in

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bunk beds in this room and two
of us kept the other six up all

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night just saying Forrest Gump
quotes.

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It would get real quiet and
people would start drifting and

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then somebody would go, her
dream had come true, she was a

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folk singer.
And then everyone would start

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laughing again.
There was just just so many

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stupid quotes in this dumb
movie, Brad.

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Yeah, I I would put it up there
with Anchorman, The Legend of

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Ron Burgundy for like top most
quotable films.

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Maybe, maybe we need to get back
and do a top five bonus episode,

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Bob.
Most quote.

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Sometime most quotable films.
This falls into a really

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specific quotable movie category
though, which is that the

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quotes, when understood in
context, are not that great.

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It's only when you say them
completely divorced from the

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context that the quotes are
funny.

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Yeah, 100%.
There are so many moments in

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this film where the script is so
tight and keeps you moving

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through scene by scene that you
just get these little funny 1

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liners that because Zemeckis is
trying to get through such a

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large swath of history, like he
doesn't have time to linger on

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these scenes.
And you get a lot of really fun,

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funny 1 liners because of it.
So Brad, our first time around,

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I had brought up that this is a
really polarizing movie among

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critics.
It was like it was respected for

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what it was.
But I think similarly to a movie

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like Green Book, like once it
wins the Oscar, then everybody

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turns on it and it becomes I
can't believe this movie won the

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Academy Award for a long, long
time.

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We.
All liked it, but.

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But now we don't.
For a long time, this became

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reviled by critics.
And so I think people are

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starting to come back around on
it, but in a much more, I don't

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know, level headed sense, which
is like, this is not a perfect

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film.
It's good for what it is.

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We can debate if it won the
Oscar or not.

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But I remember when I first
brought this up to you, you

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know, in our first episode in
Season 1 on this, you were kind

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of surprised that this had been
polarizing at all.

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And now having dealt with movie
critics as much as we have,

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Brad, and also having reviewed,
what, 300 movies or something

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like that at this point, I guess
let's check back in on that

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debate.
Can you see why critics would

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have been divided on this movie,
whether or not you agree with

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that?
I think that I can understand it

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when I look at particularly one
other film in the Best Picture

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race.
Pulp Fiction is the obvious

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critic darling here.
Like like you're talking about

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Tarantino's big coming out
party?

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Like everybody loved Reservoir
Dogs in what, 9192?

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92, yeah.
Yeah, so a few years later, you

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know, he makes this masterpiece
of a film.

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And then you have the the pop
sensation that is Forrest Gump.

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And I, I can understand why
critics would be annoyed that it

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would win.
I, I think I'm curious if

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there's a difference between
critical reception before the

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Oscars and then critical
reaction to the Oscar win.

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Like, did critics like the movie
just plain and simple, you know,

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on their review?
Were critics a fan of this film

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before it got caught up in the
politics of Hollywood?

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I think critics were like, you
know, when you look up a movie

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on on Metacritic, if it's like
under an 80 or 85, it doesn't

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say universal acclaim.
It says like generally positive

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reviews.
And I think that's a good way to

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sum it up.
They were like lukewarm on this

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movie.
Like, hey, it's a pretty good

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movie.
It's got great visual effects.

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It's a fantastic summer movie to
go see.

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Obviously, they had its
detractors as well.

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But again, this is when the
Oscars had a lot more cachet in

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our society.
And so even though a lot of

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movie critics have never put too
much emphasis on the Oscars, it

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was still like the popular
mechanism for saying, hey,

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history, This is the movie from
this year that we think

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represents the year in film.
And when you have a movie like

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Pulp Fiction break into that
five nominee category, it's

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almost like, Oh my gosh, like
this movie could really do it.

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This is a revolutionary film in
American history.

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And then to lose, but not just
to lose, but to lose the Forrest

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Gump is kind of, I think the
turning point with a lot of

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critics.
And it's not necessarily that

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they hated the movie.
It's just like you gave a three

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star movie The Oscar in a year
where we really could have like

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coronated something new and
exciting in American cinema.

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And again, now if that's fair or
not, I think that's what

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happened there.
You say 3 star, but famed

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reviewer and I would say the
favorite of this podcast, Roger

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Ebert, gave it a four-star
review.

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We sure did.
I must call him Forrest Gump.

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Roger Ebert loved a good time at
the movies, you know what I

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mean?
And and Roger Hebert was also

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like much more than his peers, I
think, susceptible to exciting

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visual effects in movies.
And at the time the VFX and

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Forrest Gump were.
Cutting.

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Incredible.
Yeah.

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Yes, and I think that the
spectacle of it definitely

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tipped his hand.
He also gave like the first

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Harry Potter movie 4 stars.
And yeah, which I think is like

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kind of a good comparison here,
'cause I wouldn't call that a

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perfect movie, but it was
something that was new.

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It was something that was
exciting.

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It was at the cutting edge of
what we could do with technology

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at the time.
And so, yeah, I see why Rodger

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Ebert gave it four stars.
I also see why Bob Book is not

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going to give it four stars.
So.

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Can I read you one line from the
Ebert review that just made me

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laugh really hard?
Yeah, sure.

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So he's talking about how
Forrest IQ is 75, and you might

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be able to argue that Forrest
can't understand everything

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that's happening to him, but
Ebert is saying that he does.

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And he says he even understands
everything that's important

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about love.
Although Jenny, the girl he

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falls in love with in grade
school and never falls out of

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love with, tells him Forrest,
you don't know what love is.

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She is a stripper by that time.
Like it's, it's, it's little

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lies like that where I'm like,
man, Ebert is the goat.

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He's so funny, man, That's
great.

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All right, on that note, on the
note of Jenny stripping, let's

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get into talking about this
movie now.

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Again, this is season 10 of our
podcast where we are revisiting

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all the films from our very
first season of the podcast

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because I think we've improved
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Brad, it's time for us to get
into, Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the film that he has
just seen, often for the first

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time.
This is at least Brad's second

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time seeing Forrest Gump.
I have to imagine that even in

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the G household, you probably
saw this at some point growing

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up, right?
Like this is not just time #2

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for you.
I don't think I saw this movie

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until college.
Wow.

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Yeah yeah.
Fourscope was not a staple of

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the G household.
I it was probably like 18/19/20

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when I saw it for the first
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Man, that's wow.
Yeah, dude, I, I feel like this

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movie was so ubiquitous in the
late 90s, like it was on some

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channel on TV at every moment of
the day for a solid 8 years, I

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would say.
And now I know you didn't have

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cable.
I, I understand you don't have

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to tell me, you freaking Amish
person you.

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But like, you know, it was the
second highest grossing film of

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1994.
And then it hit video and the

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soundtrack became, I think for a
time, either the best or the

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second best selling soundtrack
of all time.

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Like, this movie was freaking
everywhere.

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I saw this movie at a way too
young age.

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Didn't really understand what
was going on with Forrest and

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Jenny in that dorm room for a
while.

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But man, man, my parents, what
were you letting me watch back

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then?
See.

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You were on the same level as
Forrest, Yeah.

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Pretty much, Pretty much, man.
All right, dude, You have one

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minute on the clock to break
down the plot of Forrest Gump.

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Folks, we're going into full
spoilers.

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So if you have not seen this 30
plus year old film, go ahead and

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hit pause here.
Go watch Forrest Gump because

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you're one of the few that has
not seen it.

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And then come back and rejoin
the episode.

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Brad 60 seconds and go.
Forrest Gump is a film that

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follows its titular character,
Forrest Gump as he grows up in

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the Deep South.
That's a capital D Capital S

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Deep South, for those who are
wondering, back in the 1950s.

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It follows him through the, as I
said earlier, tumultuous

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sixties, 70s and 80s as he finds
himself in various extraordinary

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circumstances in his ultimate
pursuit of being a good person,

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honoring his friends and
pursuing his one true love,

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Jenny.
He's also the father of Hailey

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Joel Osmond.
He sure is.

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Dude literally every single time
I've ever seen this movie I'm

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like completely blindsided when
the child comes out and it's

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Hailey Joel Osman and I have the
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I'm like, oh wow, it's Hailey
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And the way he says hello there,
Mr. Gump, is the most perfect

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line reading of the whole film.
There are so many great line

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readings in this film.
It is like Robert Zemeckis wins

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the Best Director Oscar for this
film, which I think of all of

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Forrest Gump's Oscar wins, I
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with that.
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later.
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a reason to justify him winning
best director, it is getting

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these line readings out of tiny,
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Whether it's the literally tiny
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time Dorothy Harris, the bus
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dude, there's so much disdain in
her voice when he goes, Mama

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said I shouldn't be talking to
strangers and she goes, this is

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the bus to.
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It makes me laugh.
She's got a cigarette hanging

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out of her mouth.
I freaking love the way the line

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readings in this movie go.
Oh man, and who who plays his

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friend Bubba Gump or Bubba?
Bubba is played by an actor

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named Michael T Williamson.
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freaking knocks it out of the
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Like every moment he is on
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best friend.
And the way he sucks his lip in

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when Gary Sinise is yelling at
me, it's just, it's like a

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perfect little moment of
physical humor in the movie.

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Dude, where where he goes?
My name is Forrest Gump.

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People called me Forrest Gump.
I'm going to do this all

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episode.
It's it's so good.

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OK, where do you want to start
talking about the movie?

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Because I think we could we
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itself and then broaden it out
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movie.
Or we could do the reverse of

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that.
I I don't know if I really want

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to talk about the discussion
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like a major point of the
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Like, I don't know, this movie
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consciousness, but, and there's
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And I don't know, is there, is
there any argument there?

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What, what, what are your
thoughts, Bob?

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Let's start there, I suppose.
What's going to say?

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I clearly intended it to be a
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wouldn't have presented you with
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Brad.
Yes, we can start here and end

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here, or we can end here and
start here.

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And you're like, no, let's just
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completely off the docket for
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Cool.
Yeah, I mean, I just want Film

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and Whiskey Nation to know how
dismissive I am of your takes on

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this podcast.
Believe me, they know Brad.

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They've had ten seasons to
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I guess I want to revisit, if
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want to revisit this
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there such a disconnect between
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public on this movie?
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hard to explain.
Like if you're just talking to

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like your average moviegoer, I
don't really know anybody that's

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like the average moviegoer that
has ever been like Forrest Gump

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bad movie.
It is a it is a purely enjoyable

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film.
Even the average movie goer

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could probably say, yeah, this
movie goes about two inches deep

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on any subject.
Like, it's it's certainly not

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some insanely detailed
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and geopolitical climate and
everything else.

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Like, it's just, it's like a
greatest hits album of things

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that happened in the 60s and 70s
in America.

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And you know what, sometimes you
like to put a greatest hits

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album on.
I don't want to dig through all

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my favorite artists, 10 best
albums to find the songs I want.

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Just compile them on a disc for
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And then I can just play the
hits.

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that this is a greatest hits
album of America, I think it

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becomes a much more easygoing
experience.

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I, I think that for me, this is
far and away the, the setting of

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the film, the like, let's go
through America's greatest hits.

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For me, that's the backdrop that
like, that has nothing to do

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with what this movie is trying
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And, you know, to look at the
IMDb score, Bob, this isn't just

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a movie that most people are
like, oh, yeah, Forrest Gump.

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This is an 8.8 out of 10.
Yeah. 100%.

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That is a massively high.
Score.

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Like, yeah.
And perhaps I understated it.

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If we're talking about popular
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50-60 years, there are very few
movies that I feel like the

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critical consensus on and the
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are more divergent.
Like I just, I really think that

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at best, you'll get a critic to
say this is a pretty good movie

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for what it is, But then you
look at IMDb and it's like, this

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is, is this still top ten?
It might still be top 10.

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It is the 11th. 11th.
Yeah, but Oppenheimer, Yeah,

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Yeah.
I mean, Rotten Tomatoes, 76% for

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critics and 95% for audience.
So like, yeah, there, there's

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definitely a disconnect here.
And I I think it's because

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critics don't have a soul.
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If I had to guess, because like
when I when I watched this

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movie, I think this time around
I finally understood why this

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hit so deep for people.
And I I, I think it's because

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Zemeckis has this talent for
painting and really broad

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strokes across a massive time
period in American history.

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And yet somehow he like catches
many of like the deep desires

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and longings of humanity all in
this one character of Forrest

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Gump.
And like any human being

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watching this movie can find a
little bit of them self and his

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character.
Like if you've ever had a desire

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to see something beautiful in
the world, Forrest also has that

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desire.
If you have a desire, if you

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have a desire to experience love
and belonging and relationships

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that matter to you, you got
Forrest Gump wanting the exact

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same thing.
Dude.

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The moment where he's worried
about passing on his lack of

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intelligence to his son, Oh yeah
is heart wrenching.

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And like who?
Who can't, once you've had a

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child, relate with that fear of
like, oh man, like what if I

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passed down one of the worst
parts of myself to my child?

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Like, and, and there's like, I
could go on and on and on.

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Like I, I want to be the kind of
person that doesn't let money

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and fame change me.
Oh, guess what?

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Forrest Gump is also that and,
and the The thing is, you could

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read all of those things and be
like, well, there's your

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problem.
He made a perfect character that

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doesn't have any flaws.
But the beautiful thing about

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Forrest Gump is that he doesn't
stand emotionally distant from

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the world around him.
Like the way he shows terror

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when he is trying to save Bubba,
when he thinks he's passing down

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his lack of intelligence to his
son.

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The joy that he has when he sees
Jenny in Washington DC.

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Like he engages with the world
around him in such a emotionally

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vulnerable way that he's not
just this blank slate of a

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character.
He is somebody who has

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motivations and has desires.
And I just like, I don't know

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how Zemeckis does it because I'm
with you.

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I know you.
I know that one of your main

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points on this is that the broad
strokes are, are tough to

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swallow at times.
I just, I think he nails it,

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man.
Man, how do I want to respond to

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this?
I think maybe let's let's try to

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arrive at the end of framing the
debate around Forrest Gump and

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I'll I'll answer your points
with what I would assume to be

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the push back.
Now, I don't necessarily agree

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with all this, but I think for
me watching it this time, the

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biggest flaw with this movie is
that it it kind of wants to have

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its cake and eat it too, when it
comes to how it presents its

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characters as metaphors for a
tumultuous time in American

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history.
And I what I mean by that is

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like it wants you to understand
at the most basic level that

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Forrest Gump is a simple man who
has simple American values, and

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perhaps not as a result of those
values, but and also Forrest

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Gump winds up wildly successful
at the at the same time, his

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best friend Jenny is really
representative of the sort of

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lostness of a generation of the
baby boomers who went off

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seeking something fulfilling for
a really long time.

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And perhaps not as a result of
that seeking, but just and also

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they got themselves into some
really deep shit.

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Do you know what I mean?
And I think that I think that

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where critics really started to
dislike what they felt the movie

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was saying was like, you want to
make that metaphor, but then you

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want it to stop right there.
And you don't want us to trace

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it to it's it's logical
conclusion, right?

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Like you have to kind of put
yourself back in the historical

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context of this movie coming
out.

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It's like smack dab in the
middle of Clinton's first term.

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You're coming off of a decade
plus of Reagan and then George

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HW Bush, where America like very
loudly declared like, we are

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returning to conservative values
in America, whether that is

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social or economic.
Like this is where we have

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arrived as a nation.
And I think that a lot of

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critics read this movie as,
like, whether or not Zemeckis is

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trying to make this an apology
for, you know, baby boomers kind

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of coming back into traditional
American values.

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It certainly seems to espouse
that.

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And that Jenny as an extension
is, you know, a portrayal of we

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went and sold our Wild oats as a
generation, but now we're kind

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of coming back to conservatism.
Now, again, I don't even know if

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I want to say that I see all
that in this movie.

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I just think that that's kind of
what the pushback on the movie

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is.
Not that it is a conservative

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movie, but that it wants to
paint Forrest and Jenny as these

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really kind of broad strokes
metaphors, but then it never

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really wants to examine the
implications of painting them in

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those metaphors.
Like, what does it mean that

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Forrest Gump is your simple
American values representative

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because he's also
developmentally disabled.

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You know what I mean?
Like, he, you can't really take

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that metaphor too hard because
then what are you saying about

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America?
And on the flip side, it's like,

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you know, is Jenny's only
redemption when she becomes

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quote, UN quote conservative at
the end of the movie.

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I think that there are a lot of
thorny things that come up as a

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result of those metaphors being
introduced.

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And I will say I don't think the
movie intends to go any farther

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than it does, but I think that's
what a lot of people's problem

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with it is.
Does that make sense?

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Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
I I guess when I look at this

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film, I, I don't see it as a
broad strokes representation of

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entire generations.
For me, it it's two individual

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characters who see the world in
a certain way, who choose to act

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in a certain way because of how
they see the world and there's

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consequences based on those
actions.

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Like for me, it's as simple as
that.

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And you know, to get back to the
themes of human desire and what

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we would all want, I think Jenny
represents the part of us that

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hopes that no matter what we do
in this world, somebody will

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still love us.
Like, like to me that like

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that's the entire character of
Jenny is like no matter what I

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do, I really deeply hope that
there would be a Forrest Gump

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character to love me no matter
the decisions I've made.

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And the moment where Robin
Wright looks at him and and

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they're at the house and he asks
her to marry him and she says,

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like, you would never want to
marry me.

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Like it's a heartbreaking
moment.

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And it speaks once again to that
deep fear that we all have is

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man, if somebody really knew me,
they would never want to be my

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friends, my lover, my spouse,
like they would never want me to

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be their mother, father like I.
Once again, it's an example of I

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think Zemeckis is diving deep
into the human experience.

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I will say, and let's move out
of that whole debate thing

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because I want to get back to a
thing you were saying about the

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kind of one-on-one interactions.
Where this movie really succeeds

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is when it kind of drops all of
the stuff about America and the

447
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,200
pop culture references and
Forrest Gump weaving in and out

448
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,320
of these random historic events.
And when you just get like

449
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Forest and Sally Field in a room
together or Forest and Robin

450
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Wright in a room together or
Forest and Bubba like by a river

451
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,480
in Vietnam for 10 seconds, the,
the actual human relationships

452
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080
within the movie are incredibly
well acted.

453
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,720
They're really well written for
the most part, I would say, you

454
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520
know, like Sally Field gets
nominated for an Oscar for

455
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,240
portraying Mama in this movie.
And she's in the movie for like

456
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,600
8 minutes.
Like she's I I forgot how little

457
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,000
she's in this movie, but that
very last interaction, she just

458
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,400
dude, they they leave the camera
on her for a minute and she kind

459
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,560
of collects herself before
saying this line.

460
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,520
And and you know, she starts
kind of smiling and while

461
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320
tearing up and it's this
brilliant portrayal of like a

462
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,440
mom comforting a son while also
grieving.

463
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,080
And she you know, she's talking
about dying.

464
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,320
She brings back up the life is
like a box of chocolates.

465
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,240
And then she just says, I will
miss you, Forrest.

466
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,200
And my God, dude was IA puddle
on the floor in that moment.

467
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,120
Like when this movie goes for
the waterworks.

468
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,920
I do appreciate that it doesn't
happen in the like broad

469
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
strokes, talking about America
stuff.

470
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,640
It happens in the interpersonal
relationships, and I think

471
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,400
that's where it succeeds.
Yeah, and you know, you have

472
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,200
things like the Vietnam War,
which everyone has strong

473
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,840
opinions on.
And yet, in the moments when

474
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Forest is running back and forth
trying to save his squad

475
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080
members, it all of a sudden, it
doesn't matter what political

476
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,680
affiliation you have.
You understand the pain and the

477
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:54,040
suffering and the desire to be
helpful in an unwinnable

478
00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,120
situation that Forrest has.
And as he's holding Bubba, it's

479
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320
that moment where the narration
of the film works like a charm,

480
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,520
that there's this counterpoint
of Forest in the memory who

481
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,640
doesn't know what's going to
happen, and Forest narrating the

482
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,320
memory who is diving into the
regret that he has of like,

483
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,160
yeah, if I had known that this
was the last thing I'd ever say

484
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,640
to my best good friend, I would
have said something different.

485
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,000
And it's just, dude, it's
Waterworks.

486
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,000
It's incredible.
Yeah, and it's, again, I think

487
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,920
that a lot of people, a lot of
critics thought that this movie

488
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,720
was really emotionally
manipulative.

489
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,280
And I can see why they would
think that.

490
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,280
But I think that there's enough
attention given to each of these

491
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,760
relationships that he has with
Mama, with Bubba, with Jenny,

492
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,320
with Lieutenant Dan, that they
each have their own unique

493
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,000
rhythm and dialogue to them.
And then they each have their

494
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,960
own arc and emotional payoff.
And I don't feel like they were,

495
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,520
you know, manipulating US by
pulling a string in a way that

496
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,920
seemed false, especially on
those fronts.

497
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Yeah, man, I, I mean, I, I feel
like there's so many directions

498
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,840
we could go with this.
But what what do you think when

499
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,720
it comes to Zemeckis as a
director in this movie?

500
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,640
What are some elements of the
cinematography of the acting

501
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040
performances of of the different
things you see on the screen

502
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,000
that that drew you in this time?
So Zemeckis kind of made his

503
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,080
bones as a Steven Spielberg
protege.

504
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,520
And then he, you know, he gets
deployed by Spielberg in his

505
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,800
first few films, and then he
makes it big with Back to the

506
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,360
Future.
And ever since Back to the

507
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Future, Zemeckis has been known
as a guy who even more than

508
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Spielberg, like, he loves him
some special effects.

509
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,680
He loves kind of pushing the
boundaries on what you can do

510
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,920
with computer imagery.
You know, he's very similar to a

511
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,840
James Cameron or a George Lucas
in that regard.

512
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320
I think that.
Just as successful in all his

513
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920
films.
Yeah, I mean, he's he's never

514
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,560
made a bad movie and neither is
George Lucas.

515
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,960
What are you talking about?
So, and I don't mean anything

516
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120
disparaging to Zemeckis in that
regard, because I think that

517
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
he's a good director.
I also just think that like when

518
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,680
you look at how Steven Spielberg
maps out a shot in his mind and

519
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,400
the Spielberg wonders and, and
the way that he is just like

520
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,080
mentally storyboarded every
shot, it's insane what that guy

521
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,320
can do.
Zemeckis, I feel like is a

522
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160
really good copycat of Spielberg
in that like the camera is

523
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,080
moving around a lot in this
movie.

524
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520
And I think the actual like the
lighting of the movie, the

525
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,600
blocking of the movie.
It looks like a movie.

526
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,720
It's a beautiful film to look at
in parts.

527
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
I don't think that I would look
at the majority of the shots in

528
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,520
this movie as like artfully
composed.

529
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,120
There's a lot of shots of like,
that's a beautiful mountain, but

530
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,440
the mountain's beautiful.
Like the the camera work in this

531
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,800
movie is very Workman like.
It's it's you know, it gets the

532
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,840
job done, but it's not on the
level of like a Spielberg.

533
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Does that make sense?
100% I think there's a few

534
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,800
moments that stand out to me.
One being when when Forrest is

535
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,360
in the the hospital and he's
narrating something and all of a

536
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,320
sudden you see Lieutenant Dan's
hand like reach up behind him

537
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,000
and grab him and pull him down.
Like, like there's little

538
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,400
moments like that.
Or even when when he's walking

539
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,840
out from being on television in
New York and the door closes and

540
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Lieutenant Dan is waiting there
for him.

541
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,080
I think there are some great
moments where the camera almost

542
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,640
hides something and gives you a
bit of a surprise.

543
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Even when he's in Vietnam and
it's raining.

544
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400
And then there's the moment
where the rain stops and then

545
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920
immediately the bullets start
flying.

546
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,080
Like there.
There's a moment where Zemeckis

547
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,440
likes to try to surprise the
viewer.

548
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,280
But I'm with you.
Like he's not a Hall of Fame

549
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,840
camera usage type director.
And I think like similarly, I

550
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
wouldn't call him a great
director of actors.

551
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,040
That's not to say that everybody
in this movie isn't very good,

552
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,880
but we don't we don't think
about like, man, Robert Zemeckis

553
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240
really directed Tom Hanks to
that Oscar.

554
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,680
It's like, no, Tom Hanks went
and studied the speech patterns

555
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,360
of the kid that plays Forrest
Gump.

556
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Tom Hanks was leading into like
he was at the height of his

557
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,400
powers here and and Robert
Zemeckis is a competent enough

558
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,920
director that he knows when to
leave the camera on Sally Field

559
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
for an extra 5 seconds to get
her her Oscar nomination.

560
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,160
But I feel like it's more a
function of working with really

561
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,800
good actors than it is that he
brought something out in these

562
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,440
actors.
Yeah.

563
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,320
I mean, that's, that's like
always, I don't know, I, I feel

564
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:56,400
like your distaste overall for
the film in my mind, like, I

565
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,600
don't know why isn't it a boon
to to Zemeckis that he knew to

566
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,000
do that for five more seconds on
Sally Fields and he knew how to

567
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,400
let Tom Hanks be Tom Hanks like.
Oh yeah, I don't.

568
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,679
I don't.
Know if it's a a good or a bad

569
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,400
thing, but I think we can say
that he was in charge of that

570
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,960
final product and put together a
film where people were getting

571
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,920
nominated for best acting
performances and he was under he

572
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920
was under it he received a
nomination and won for best

573
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,159
director like I I think he was
kind of doing something right

574
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,800
for most of the.
Yeah, and I feel like you, I

575
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,679
don't, I don't want you to
misconstrue what I'm saying

576
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,000
either.
Like, you can absolutely be a

577
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,560
Workman, like director and like
that is a compliment in itself.

578
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,480
Hollywood history is full of
guys like this.

579
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Michael Cortese is like one of
the best directors of classic

580
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,639
Hollywood when he directed
freaking Casablanca, but he was

581
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,040
the guy that they called when
you just needed a guy to plug

582
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,199
into a movie.
You know what I mean?

583
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,480
He's not like an he's not
considered an auteur because he

584
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,160
doesn't have a style of his own.
And I guess that's what I'm

585
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,560
saying about Zemeckis.
Like dude's a good director.

586
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,720
You know, I don't we don't talk
about him like we talked about a

587
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,040
Coppola or a Scorsese or
something, but that doesn't

588
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,360
necessarily mean that he's bad.
I'm just saying, we look at like

589
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,280
Paul Thomas Anderson and every
PTA movie.

590
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,760
We say somebody gave the best
performance of their career.

591
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,840
That's not really what you get
with Zemeckis.

592
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
That doesn't mean that he can't
direct an actor to an Oscar

593
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
nomination.
I like, I think you hit the nail

594
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,040
on the head.
You just might have misconstrued

595
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,600
me a little bit.
Sure, that's my favorite thing

596
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480
to do.
Well hey man, why don't we

597
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920
misconstrue each other for a
little bit and let's start

598
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,120
speaking in French nonsense at
each other while we look at our

599
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,400
whiskey for the day, the Glen
Moringey Nectar.

600
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:54,080
All right, everybody, today we
are going to be drinking from

601
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,680
one of our favorite brands.
We absolutely love Glenmorengy

602
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,360
and we're going to be drinking
the most famous of their brands

603
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:09,160
in our minds simply for the fact
that it is called Nectar.

604
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:18,360
The Glenn Moringy Nectar Door.
This is man.

605
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
This is legendary in film.
The annals of film and whiskey.

606
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,640
And I'm, I'm curious like is it
going to stand up to the amount

607
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,040
of attention we've paid to it
over the?

608
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Years.
I don't know, man, because even

609
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,000
at the time we reviewed it.
And let's back up a minute.

610
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,520
We first tried the Glenn Moringy
brand when we picked up a

611
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,800
sampler of 100ML samples of four
of their different products.

612
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,200
And I think back then this was
like 25 bucks.

613
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,680
It was like the best possible
deal you could get in Scotch.

614
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
I think they've since
discontinued this sampler

615
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,320
because so many of the whiskeys
in here have undergone a little

616
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200
bit of a renovation.
But it it included their

617
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,120
standard 10 year, it included
the Quinta Reuben, it included

618
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,400
the La Santa and then like the
big dog in the box was supposed

619
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,400
to be this Nectar door.
And Brad, we really liked the La

620
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Santa and we especially liked
the Quinta Reuben and the nectar

621
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
door was like, this is good.
This is still better than the

622
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,920
standard 10 year, but we didn't
think it was worth the what we

623
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,480
consider to be astronomical
price hike over the other three

624
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,160
in the box.
So I'm excited to revisit this

625
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,280
because again, I feel like this
is supposed to be the big

626
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,720
selling point of the box.
It's the most expensive of the

627
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,280
four, or at least it was at the
time we purchased this.

628
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,880
The version that we have in the
box is actually now an outdated

629
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,200
version of nectar door.
It was 12 years old at the time

630
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,440
of this bottling and it was
finished in so turn casks, which

631
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
we've talked about many, many
times through the history of

632
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,720
film and whiskey.
It gives it's a French wine.

633
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,520
It gives really sweet character.
Now this is a 16 year age stated

634
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,840
product.
It's finished in at least three

635
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480
different types of casks.
I think one of them being Tokai

636
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,440
casks from Hungary.
So we'll have to try that new

637
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,120
version, but we're kind of
paying homage to Season 1 by

638
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,960
revisiting what we tried back
then in this 12 year expression.

639
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,640
Now I will tell you Bob, the
Glenmorengy Taster pack is still

640
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:25,720
available.
It is still for 100ML bottles of

641
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,480
the original, which is the 10
year, the La Santa 12 year, the

642
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Kintorubin 12 year and the
Nectar Dor.

643
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,560
So you can still get this.
It will cost you $32 which for

644
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,920
400 MLS of Scotch I would say is
a very good price.

645
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,280
I am really surprised you can
still buy it anywhere.

646
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,720
I would have assumed that this,
like the skew would be dead by

647
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,160
now because the Quinta Reuben is
not 12 year anymore and it

648
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,800
hasn't been for five years now.
The Nectar door is not 12 years

649
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,280
anymore.
I don't know about the Lasanta,

650
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
but like, this seems like
they're just trying to burn

651
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,320
through old stock of stuff,
which is totally fine.

652
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,760
I still think it can benefit.
Yeah, I I think it's worth

653
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,360
picking up for sure.
Well, let's get into the review

654
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,960
here.
Bob.

655
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,600
I have drank this already.
I, I've taken my notes, so I'll

656
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,960
jump in on the nose while you
get started.

657
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,760
I think this is one of the best
noses we've had in a while.

658
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,520
It's pretty delightful.
Oh my gosh, dude.

659
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,000
There's like almost like a
toasted candied almonds note on

660
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,160
the nose.
There's a ton of honey, almost

661
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,880
like a honeycomb.
There's some prosciutto and it

662
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,040
it got citrusy for me, but all
the, the, the word that came to

663
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,240
my mind was like a lemon
meringue, like a little bit

664
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,720
creamy, a little bit zesty.
This is an incredible nose Bob.

665
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,760
I give it a nine out of 10.
I'm going to be just a little

666
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,600
bit beneath you.
I'm going to be in an 8 1/2 on

667
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,600
the nose.
There's a lot of different

668
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,520
directions this one can go and
you know, we never mean to

669
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,520
punish a nose as a result, but I
can't quite pinpoint where this

670
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,120
is going to go flavor wise.
It's really creamy.

671
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
You, you absolutely nailed that.
I get a little bit of melon on

672
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,000
this.
I get.

673
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,200
Quite a bit of spicy like like
black pepper as well, but then

674
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,560
there's a lot of lemon and it's
for me it's more lemon zest or

675
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,160
even like the pith of a lemon.
It's like a a more aggressive

676
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,360
lemon.
I do definitely get the

677
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,040
influence of the wine casks
here.

678
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,000
This has a really dark grapey
nose similar to I don't know

679
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,640
like a pinot noir for me and and
I would even call it almost

680
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,680
raisiny really, really good.
But again, like, is it going to

681
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,840
taste like wine?
Is it going to taste like melon?

682
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,640
It has those kind of bright,
almost Irish whiskey notes at

683
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
the top of it.
So I'm at an 8 1/2, but let's

684
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,680
dive into the taste.
I think when you move into the

685
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,760
pallet you get just this bomb of
honey.

686
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
The lemon meringue really sticks
around for me.

687
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,880
It's a really creamy whiskey
experience.

688
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,200
You get a bit of an orange zest
that pops at you, and I thought

689
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,000
it got almost into the territory
of like a Maple syrup.

690
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,160
The palate is a little bit less
impressive than the nose for me,

691
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560
but just barely.
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2

692
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,560
here.
I'm going to say this in the

693
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,080
nicest way I can think to say
it.

694
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:24,920
Brad, I feel like we've always
plugged the Quinta Reuben as you

695
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,240
should buy this whiskey if
you're starting to get serious

696
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:31,760
about Scotch because it's mind
blowingly good at a really good

697
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,880
price.
I almost want to transfer that

698
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,160
title to this, but has nothing
to do with the price and it also

699
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,480
has nothing to do with the
taste.

700
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,400
I just think that like from the
moment I sipped it, I could tell

701
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,880
this was an incredibly well made
Scotch.

702
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,120
It's really creamy.
There are some almost

703
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,680
nondescript fruity notes going
on here.

704
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,880
It has almost an ashy sort of
burnt taste at the back, in a

705
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,640
good way.
Like you, you get that on a lot

706
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,840
of scotches, even on non peated
scotches, but it's not complex,

707
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,320
you know what I mean?
Like I, I'm not going to sit

708
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,760
here and pull notes out of this
for the next 10 minutes.

709
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,240
Like it just tastes like a
really creamy, really good wine

710
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,840
cask finished Scotch.
And I think that I would almost

711
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,320
want to offer this to a person
who has only ever had J&B or you

712
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,560
know what I mean, or like Cutty
Sark and be like, this is what a

713
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,600
$90.00 bottle of Scotch tastes
like.

714
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Because if I'm telling someone,
Oh yeah, like, do you taste the

715
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,760
figgy pudding in this?
And they're going to be like,

716
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,880
no, I don't know what that I
don't know how to look for figgy

717
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,560
pudding.
I don't think you can really

718
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,920
look for anything in this.
It's just a very generically

719
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,200
good Scotch.
And I like it because of that.

720
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,000
And I'm I sound like I'm
insulting it, but.

721
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,640
You certainly do.
I I I'm going to give it an 8 on

722
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,080
the taste.
It's just like I I don't have

723
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,960
any notes to give on it other
than that.

724
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,720
Where you at on the finish?
I'll give it a 7 1/2 on the

725
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,760
finish.
I think that it it has a really

726
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,640
nice kind of fade out on the
finish.

727
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
It doesn't drop off a Cliff, but
it also, I haven't been thinking

728
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,640
about the finish at all.
You know what I mean?

729
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Like it's just a really good
barley heavy creamy Scotch

730
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520
finish and I sound like a broken
record.

731
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,760
Yeah, I, I am getting a lot more
here than you are, Bob.

732
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Like I think that the finish is
incredible.

733
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,920
I, I think it's the best part of
this experience for me.

734
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,840
The flavors sat on my palate for
a long time after I was done.

735
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,040
And it's this, this fresh lemon
zest.

736
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,480
It gets into those kind of
almost like a Cream of wheat

737
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,960
sourdough bread kind of
territory.

738
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200
And the honey sticks around for
the long run.

739
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,640
I think it's a 9 1/2 on the
finish and I think for me, I'm

740
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,320
going to give it a 9 1/2 on
balance as well.

741
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,160
Like the I, I would agree with
you that this is not the most

742
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,040
complex whiskey I've ever had,
but I think that that mixture of

743
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:09,120
the grainy notes with the honey,
with the fruit, with the citrus

744
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,560
zestiness, that there is a lot
going on here and it's executed

745
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,000
at a really high level.
Yeah, I I won't disagree with

746
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,240
any of that.
I I think that on the finish,

747
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,240
for me, if I can revisit my
finish for a hot second, I won't

748
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,440
change my score. 2nd and 3rd sip
definitely improved the

749
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,720
experience.
It's much thicker, much more

750
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:31,920
viscous and, and I think for one
of the first times ever, I

751
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,680
really am getting true notes of
butterscotch on this.

752
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,840
It's not quite caramel and it's
not quite Maple and it's right

753
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,800
in between that it reminds me a
lot of like a butterscotch ice

754
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,040
cream topping.
I really, really like this a

755
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,640
lot.
I again, I still don't think

756
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,760
it's complex, but I'm going to
give it a nine out of 10 on the

757
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,080
balance because everything that
it does, it's doing at a high

758
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,880
level, even if I'm not pulling
50 different tasting notes out

759
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,840
of it.
Now Bob, this is going to set

760
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,040
you back $82 in the state of
Ohio for a bottle.

761
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,960
I think that's a still a pretty
good value.

762
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,760
Let me ask you this, is that for
the 12 year expression or the

763
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,760
new 16?
Let me pull it back up and check

764
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Bob.
It looks on the OHLQ website

765
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,120
like it's a picture of the older
whiskey.

766
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,160
But I, I don't know if they've
like started to transition what

767
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
they are shipping to the US.
I don't know if you're like

768
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,400
finishing out the old batch.
What I do know is that in 2022,

769
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,000
just two years ago, it won
double gold at the San Francisco

770
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,640
World Wine and Spirits
Competition in the single malt

771
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,960
non age stated category.
So as of two years ago it was an

772
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,600
nasi don't.
I don't imagine that the price

773
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,800
is going to shoot up if it's a
16 year all of a sudden.

774
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,600
No, I was more worried that we
were, we would be accidentally

775
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,680
harming our scores on this one
if they were pricing it out for

776
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,120
16 and we were only reviewing
the 12 year, you know, So I

777
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,920
don't know, at $82, I think this
is overpriced, Brad.

778
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,480
But it's also like, you know, we
have that principle of $10.00

779
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,520
for every year that it's aged.
And Glen Moringy has always,

780
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,560
always been almost cutting that
in half.

781
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,560
You know, like we had the Quinto
Rubin 14 year that was selling

782
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,600
for 50 something dollars and now
it's up into $70 territory and

783
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,600
we're still like, oh, it's
overpriced now.

784
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,120
We've been really spoiled by
Glen Moringy, I guess is what

785
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,920
I'm saying.
I think in a vacuum, $82 for

786
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,920
this is not a bad value.
I just think that I can get

787
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,520
better $82 whiskey than this.
So I'm going to give it a six,

788
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,880
just a six out of 10 on value.
Man, yeah, we're, we're far

789
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,480
apart here, Bob.
I, I think that this is a really

790
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,360
good value.
I think that there is enough

791
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Scotch out there at a higher
price that $82 for a really

792
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,840
beautiful expression of Scotch.
I I'm willing to pay it.

793
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,600
I I think I'm at an 8 1/2 year
on value.

794
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,680
Before we give our final scores,
let me ask you this When was the

795
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,880
last time you revisited Quinta
Reuben?

796
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Just a few months ago.
Which is better?

797
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,080
I think this is better.
Wow.

798
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,760
Yeah, see, I still prefer Quinta
Reuben.

799
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,680
It's got a little bit more kick
to it.

800
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,600
Like I I just, I think it's more
of a bourbon drinker.

801
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,760
Scotch, which is not.
That doesn't inherently make it

802
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,240
better.
I just like it better.

803
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,240
It's a nice change of pace for
me.

804
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,720
This is really, really good.
I just don't quite get as much

805
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,680
on it as you do.
So I'm coming out to a 39 out of

806
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,600
50, which is still a damn good
score.

807
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,400
I'm almost at the 40 mark.
Yeah, we are farther apart than

808
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,480
normal, Bob.
Usually we're somewhat close.

809
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,120
I'm at a 45 out of 50.
Wow, the 90 out of 100 mark for

810
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,280
Brad.
This is rarefied error.

811
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,520
It is.
I can probably count on both

812
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,720
hands the amount of times either
of us have gone at or above 45.

813
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,840
I mean, I don't know, have we
done 10 whiskeys at or above 45

814
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,880
out of 100?
I don't know man.

815
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
I don't think we have.
It's it's been close, but yeah,

816
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,160
I mean, you're talking about
getting a nine in every single

817
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,640
category.
That's hard to do.

818
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,920
It is we're coming out on
average to a 42 out of 50 or an

819
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,320
84 out of 100.
This is like it even hitting 42.

820
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,880
We're going to be approaching
best whiskey of the season

821
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,280
territory here.
Yep.

822
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,800
Much like the movie, I really
like this, but because I am not

823
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,600
as effusive in my praise as
Brad, he thinks that I don't

824
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,840
like it at all.
I mean, you know, you're you're

825
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,600
a trash person, so.
I guess so.

826
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,960
This whiskey and film were
wasted on me.

827
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about Forrest Gump.

828
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,160
What do you say?
Yeah, let's get to it, man.

829
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,440
All right.
That was the Glenn Moringy the

830
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,280
Nectar Single Malt Scotch
Whiskey.

831
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,720
Brad, we're talking about
Forrest Gump.

832
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,400
But in order to do that, we have
to get to our next segment,

833
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,880
which we call 2 Facts and a
falsehood.

834
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball to our right and what

835
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,800
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

836
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

837
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,160
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

838
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,720
which is a complete lie.
Brad, I've done no research yet

839
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,800
again today.
I feel like I've really

840
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,080
liberated myself from doing
research this season.

841
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,200
Yeah, you're you're so lazy,
Bob.

842
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,120
I know.
Why would you not?

843
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,280
Why did you not do research on
the movies for the spot?

844
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,520
I learned from the best man.
Brad, hit me with your two facts

845
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,880
and a falsehood.
In fact #1 when the studio

846
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,640
imposed budget cuts on the film,
both director Robert Zemeckis

847
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,760
and star Tom Hanks waved a large
part of their fee in exchange

848
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,920
for percentage points, which
ultimately netted Hanks in the

849
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,960
region of $70 million.
That was almost a Michael

850
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,920
Jackson.
Fact #2 In all the scenes of

851
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Forrest unloading his empty Nets
onto the deck of the Jenny,

852
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,640
there is some sort of war
paraphernalia contained in the

853
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,160
net, from a military helmet to
military boots.

854
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Fact #3 Robert Zemeckis used the
paintings of Norman Rockwell as

855
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,640
the design inspiration for the
town of Greenville, AL.

856
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,720
The scene where Forrest sits in
the hallway of his school where

857
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,880
his while his mother talks to
the principal, is a direct

858
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,360
recreation of Rockwell's
painting Girl with a Black Eye

859
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,160
All.
Right.

860
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Let me let me make sure I
understand.

861
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Number two, it was that there
was some sort of military

862
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,240
paraphernalia in.
Was it in every scene or in just

863
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,880
that scene?
It's because he, he drops an

864
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,920
empty net like four or five
times before, you know, they go

865
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,680
into the storm and there's
billions of shrimp and each time

866
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,920
he drops an empty net, there's
some sort of war.

867
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,920
You know, there's a helmet,
there's boots there.

868
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,080
There's a few other things.
Well, I don't know.

869
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,640
I think number one's true #2
might be true, but like to what

870
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,160
end?
Like why did they do that?

871
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Or is it just a cool little fact
like there's a boot there?

872
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Yeah, I mean, I, I think it, it
kind of represents the idea that

873
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,840
that Gump's eventual fortune
came out of war.

874
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Yeah.
Who?

875
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,760
Knows there's there's not
reading there.

876
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,520
Sure it's a Mechus.
The man is an enigma.

877
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,720
Man, these are good.
Brad #3 sounds right.

878
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,440
That looked very Norman
Rockwelly.

879
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,920
I think you made-up #3 but it
you did such a good job making

880
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,160
it up that I'm going to say it's
true and I'm going to say #2 is

881
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,280
the falsehood.
Bob, you, I don't know if your

882
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,440
gut is right or wrong here,
because you did choose the

883
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,080
falsehood.
Yeah, nailed it.

884
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,920
All right.
Yeah, cool.

885
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,640
Good job.
You know, Vito burrito.

886
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,200
All right, man, let's dive back
into talking about the movie

887
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,280
itself.
We've touched on the

888
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,320
performances a little bit.
We've talked in depth about the

889
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,600
conversation around it.
Brad, there are, I mean, 1994 is

890
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,560
a huge year in the history of
movies and it's it's been a very

891
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,840
big year in film and whiskey
history as well.

892
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,160
I mean, we've done just this
season.

893
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,240
We did Forrest Gump, Pulp
Fiction, Shawshank and The Lion

894
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,320
King.
Like, I mean, what a year.

895
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,760
Yeah, this is a heck of a year,
man.

896
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:09,000
Like what was in the water in
this year that directors were

897
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,920
just knocking it out of the park
with their films?

898
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Yeah.
You know, oddly enough, I do

899
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,720
kind of feel like of all the
things that could be named Best

900
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,840
Picture in 1994, I do kind of
feel like Forrest Gump is the

901
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,720
best choice.
Not because it's the best movie,

902
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,280
but because it really is like a
time capsule of what we cared

903
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,920
about as America in 1994.
And I think what we cared about

904
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:43,080
was like, we Americans have
really become jaded by arguing

905
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,920
about things.
And we don't want to talk about

906
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,800
the causes of the Vietnam War
anymore.

907
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,280
And we don't want to talk about
how much of A crook Nixon was.

908
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,840
And we don't want to talk about
our sordid history with drugs

909
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,480
and free sex and everything
else.

910
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,600
Let's just kind of try to come
back to what we think are the

911
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,480
principles of America and let's
focus on that.

912
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,240
And, and I see why people didn't
like that.

913
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,560
I see why people think that
America was putting its own head

914
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,640
in the sand.
But regardless of where you

915
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,320
think America was at the time,
this movie captured it that I

916
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,480
guess it's a perfect
encapsulation of however you

917
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,720
interpret that part of history.
And yes, I think Pulp Fiction's

918
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,960
a better movie and probably
would have been a better Best

919
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,360
Picture winner.
But I mean, that's just talking

920
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,640
about the quality of the film.
I think this movie really

921
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:36,120
captures a moment in history and
a lens through which to view the

922
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,400
year.
So you would say that this this

923
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,280
year is an example of the
populist approach winning the

924
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Oscars?
When When has that happened?

925
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,000
Yeah, the Academy didn't have
its head up its own butt.

926
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,800
Yeah, I know, man.
Look at that.

927
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,280
I don't know man, you've seen
all four of those movies.

928
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,360
Obviously The Lion King, not
nominated for best picture, but

929
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,760
Shawshank, I think you know, if
they, if they redid it now, I

930
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,960
almost feel like Shawshank would
win cause if they redid it now,

931
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,400
Forrest Gump's not winning.
It's it's had 30 years of bad

932
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,440
publicity because of that.
I also don't know if Pulp

933
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,960
Fiction is ever going to be
palatable enough for a large

934
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,280
chunk of the voting membership.
Yes.

935
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,080
And I think Shawshank's kind of
like the the middle ground

936
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,880
there.
Yeah, I, I mean, at the end of

937
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,120
the day, one of the reasons I
think Forrest Gump has stood the

938
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,680
test of the time is because of
how sincere it is.

939
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,920
Like, and it wouldn't win today
because of that.

940
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,880
Like, we're so much more cynical
as a nation.

941
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,440
And I, I don't think that the
sincerity of the character of

942
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,040
Forrest Gump, let alone the
whole film, I just don't think

943
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,680
it would work nowadays.
Not not in the same way.

944
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,480
I would still like it because I,
I think the cynicism is tiring

945
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,960
and overrated.
It's not fun to be cynical, Bob.

946
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,400
I think that's what I'm trying
to say.

947
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
It's fun for a time, but you
have to come back to reality

948
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,120
like Jenny.
Yeah.

949
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520
Well, and that's, I think that's
another reality of the human

950
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,600
experience that we all have had
over the last 80 years in

951
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:23,000
America is that it is a very
difficult journey to go on to

952
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,880
figure out who you are, what
you're all about.

953
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,480
In a world where we have so much
more awareness of what's going

954
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,080
on in the wider realm of human
existence and trying to figure

955
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,320
out who we are and the journey
we go on in our late teens into

956
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,240
our 20s.
And then we arrive into our 30s

957
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,120
and, and suddenly we have
different viewpoints on the

958
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,680
world.
Like, I think it captures that

959
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,160
the tumult of growing up in a
very different world than

960
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,960
humanity has ever had in in its
history.

961
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,480
Yeah, man, Well said.
I think that we've we've kind of

962
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,840
captured most of what we have to
say around the movie.

963
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,200
And I I feel badly because I
don't feel like we reviewed much

964
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,840
of the movie itself today.
So before we get into, let's

965
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,360
make it a double.
I have many notes on this movie,

966
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,760
Brad, but let's just try to
condense it down into a few

967
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,760
quick observations.
Is there anything that you want

968
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,440
to make sure we touch on before
we get out of here today?

969
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,440
You texted me this, so it's your
point, but I love the idea of

970
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,200
watching this film and maybe
like cutting out every single

971
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,640
part that's not the bus stop and
like just imagining this movie

972
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,800
through the eyes of the people
sitting at the bus stop.

973
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,840
That poor woman at the start of
the movie, the nurse that sits

974
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,480
down like she's just like I had
a hard day, leave me the F

975
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,200
alone.
And this guy you know, do you

976
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,800
want a chocolate?
He's just like putting a box in

977
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,840
her face.
Those must be comfortable shoes.

978
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,680
My feet hurt.
Like how many more signals could

979
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,120
she be giving this guy?
This dude will not shut up.

980
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,040
I also took a note that he is
just in general just a horrific

981
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,080
listener because there's a point
where you think he's like going

982
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,160
to genuinely engage someone in
dialogue.

983
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,120
And he says, did you go to an
all girls school or a girls and

984
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,480
boys together school?
And she goes, oh, it's Coed.

985
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,240
And he goes, OK, cool, because
Jenny went to a school that was

986
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,200
only.
And then he dives right back in

987
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,760
and it's like forest.
This is not how you're supposed

988
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,720
to be an active listener, man.
It's not all about you.

989
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,680
Yeah, the if you made it a a cut
of this movie that was the exact

990
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,480
same length, but the first 90%
of the film, the camera just sat

991
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,960
there on the bus stop as he told
the story.

992
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,000
That would be a hell of a movie.
I had a couple questions that

993
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,240
are a rhetorical questions, but
I was thinking about this movie

994
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,760
in the history of PG13 movies
because like this movie is

995
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,760
significantly less violent than
a movie like The Avengers, but

996
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,840
they show blood.
And so then you're like, Oh my

997
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,280
gosh, like this is a real war
movie, You know what I mean?

998
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,760
Like it's not horribly violent,
but it seems it seems extreme by

999
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,440
what we have come to understand
APG 13 movie to be.

1000
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,320
And perhaps in no way more than
in the sexual way.

1001
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,720
You could just do a whole lot
more sexy stuff back in 1994 and

1002
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,680
get away with the PG13.
This is only a couple years

1003
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:30,200
before Titanic just showed boobs
for 7 minutes straight and

1004
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,840
there's a couple boobs in this
movie in a in a Playboy

1005
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,600
magazine, but for the most part
there's no nudity.

1006
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,320
But I did write down the
question.

1007
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,880
Is this the only film ever to
get APG 13 rating and also

1008
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,200
feature a guy jizzing on
someone's bathrobe?

1009
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,800
Wait what?
When they're in the dorm

1010
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,240
together and she she takes off
her top and then she has forest

1011
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Hutcher boobs and then he
ejaculates.

1012
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Oh, I've never interpreted it
that way.

1013
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,680
Oh, he literally says right
after that I think I ruined your

1014
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,800
roommate's bathrobe.
And she says that's OK, I don't

1015
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,800
like her anyway.
You've never got that before.

1016
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,440
Nope.
Oh, and then he goes I'm dizzy.

1017
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,080
How did you interpret it?
I don't know.

1018
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,200
I didn't really think about it.
Wow.

1019
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,440
Yeah, man, that's why I was
saying like as a kid, I had no

1020
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,760
idea what was going on in that
scene, but.

1021
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Apparently as an adult, as an.
Adult.

1022
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,600
I'm like how?
How on earth did they get away

1023
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,600
with this in APG 13 movie?
Now I think you're starting to

1024
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,760
understand why this was not
shown in the G household growing

1025
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,240
up.
I just I guess what I'm saying

1026
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,040
is the list of PG13 movies
featuring ejaculation scenes

1027
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,080
probably not very long.
Yeah, I mean, by 99 we have

1028
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,560
Kevin Spacey masturbating in the
shower.

1029
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,440
Yeah, but and that gets that
gets an R.

1030
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,320
That's a hard R, Yeah.
OK.

1031
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,040
Second question much less of a
hot topic.

1032
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,840
Forrest got no interest from the
NFL after graduating from

1033
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,680
Alabama and being an All
American.

1034
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,000
OK, so that you're, you're,
you're catching on to my main

1035
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,080
critique of the, the story, like
within the world of the film of

1036
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:26,720
Forrest Gump, they keep acting
like this guy is a nobody.

1037
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,760
Like I, I, I feel like they're,
they're doing it as a joke.

1038
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,320
But whenever they're talking
about Forrest Gump, the man

1039
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,640
running across America, they're
they literally refer to him as

1040
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,120
the farmer from Greenbow,
Alabama, right.

1041
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,760
And I'm like, hold on a second.
This dude was an all American

1042
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,960
for four years, five years at
Alabama during the Bear girls

1043
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,360
era.
He received Bear Bryant.

1044
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,880
Sorry, the guy that.
Goes out in the wilderness and

1045
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,160
eats.
Shit bears.

1046
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,560
Bears something.
He wins the Congressional Medal

1047
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,880
of Honor.
He gives a speech at one of the

1048
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,040
largest peace rallies in the
history of peace rallies.

1049
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,240
He like.
He does a million famous things.

1050
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,360
He goes to China and beats the
Chinese in ping pong like.

1051
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,920
He's the founder of the Bubba
Gump Shrimp Corporation.

1052
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,440
At that point, yeah, He's not a
nobody.

1053
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,480
Yes, like at this point it's
like, man, this guy who has done

1054
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,080
all these things is running.
Why are you running, Mr. Gump?

1055
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,080
Yeah, I mean, he's like AAI,
don't know what you call 100

1056
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,640
millionaire, but he's got to
have hundreds of millions of

1057
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,000
dollars in the bank.
Does he call himself a a

1058
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,680
gazillionaire?
A gazillionaire?

1059
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Yeah, gazillionaire.
Yes, Sir, we have more money

1060
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,880
than Davy Crockett.
Such a great line.

1061
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,680
But yes, like I just, you know,
and, and he's at his graduation,

1062
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,840
apparently no NFL interest as a
returner.

1063
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600
But an Army recruiter?
An Army recruiter and the thing

1064
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,320
I love the most about that scene
is that the guy goes have you

1065
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,680
given any thought to your future
and he takes the thing and he

1066
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,680
doesn't like the the natural
thing for a person to echo would

1067
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,800
be like my future.
But he doesn't say that he goes

1068
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,560
thought like the the foreign
concept here isn't the future.

1069
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,720
It's thinking yes.
Oh, man, I mean, he, he's good

1070
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,120
at running Bob.
He he ain't so good at thinking.

1071
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,920
He must be the stupidest son of
a bitch alive, but he sure is

1072
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,280
fast he.
Sure is fast.

1073
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,880
All right, one more quote and
then we'll get to let's make it

1074
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,800
a double.
I don't know where else to fit

1075
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,040
this in to the podcast today,
but I just had to say at some

1076
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,960
point, sorry I had a fight in
the middle of your Black Panther

1077
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,160
Party.
What a great line man.

1078
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,680
That should be.
That should be the actual name

1079
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,000
of this movie.
Black Panther Party.

1080
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,240
The whole sentence.
Sorry, I had a fight in the

1081
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,120
middle of your Black Panther
Party.

1082
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,560
As they're all standing there
with guns.

1083
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,160
Drawn.
All right, man, let's get into.

1084
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,520
Let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1085
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,160
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1086
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,440
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

1087
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,120
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1088
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,560
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1089
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,600
Let's Make It a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1090
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,680
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1091
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,200
feature.
Brad, since you think I hate

1092
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,640
this movie, I will defer to you
on this front.

1093
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,520
I'll let you go first here.
I'm going to pair this with a

1094
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,200
film that came out 14 years
later.

1095
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:44,520
It is a 2008 movie that has a
similar vibe of like traversing

1096
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,880
a large historical period.
And you know where you're going.

1097
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,120
Yeah, having a bit of an
introspective take on it, I'm

1098
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,400
going to go with The Curious
Case of Benjamin Button.

1099
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,200
Oh, that's not where I thought
you were going, I am 99% sure.

1100
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,520
Where do you think I was going?
I thought you were going to say

1101
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:05,400
Slumdog Millionaire.
I was thinking about No Country

1102
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,280
for Gary Oldman, but.
I'm pretty positive that

1103
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,920
Benjamin Button was written by
the same guy that wrote Forrest

1104
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,720
Gump, which is probably why it
feels so.

1105
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,600
Similar.
Yeah.

1106
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:18,680
There you go.
Yep.

1107
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,080
Yeah.
Good movie.

1108
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,920
Oh yeah, Very good movie.
I remember walking out of it in

1109
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,520
the theaters.
Like that was one of those weird

1110
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,680
movies that my dad and I were
like, yeah, you want to go watch

1111
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,720
a movie?
And like, we picked while we

1112
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,680
were at the theatre and I was
like, I don't know, Benjamin

1113
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Button sounds curious.
Let's go watch it.

1114
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,080
And I remember as like a 17 year
old walking out of the theater

1115
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,440
and being like, man, that was
really nihilistic.

1116
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,640
Oh man, I don't know if I
enjoyed that.

1117
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,680
This was prior to before you
knew anything about David

1118
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,760
Fincher.
And now it's like, Oh yeah, it's

1119
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,000
a Fincher movie, of course.
Yeah, exactly, Brad, for my

1120
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,200
Let's Make it a double.
I think I'm going to throw back

1121
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,720
to a few seasons ago, we had the
author, Noah Gettel on the

1122
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,040
podcast to talk about his book
Baseball the Movie.

1123
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,640
And Noah and I talked a little
bit about the movie Field of

1124
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,080
Dreams and how Field of Dreams
is remembered as this movie

1125
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,360
about baseball.
I think much like Forrest Gump

1126
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,480
is remembered as a movie about
America, but it's also like it's

1127
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,280
a movie that's very obviously
made by the baby boomer

1128
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,640
generation that deals with, you
know, their own political

1129
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,280
progressiveness and like their
their ability to go out and

1130
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,480
protest and like fight the
power, but also their desire to

1131
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,320
cling to all the values they had
in the 50s, like baseball, like

1132
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,880
whatever it would be in Forrest
Gump.

1133
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,040
And I don't know that either of
these movies it like it's

1134
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,200
completely successful in holding
both of those things together.

1135
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,440
But they so remind me of each
other.

1136
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,880
They're like, they're just these
big weird movies that like, if

1137
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,440
you said something on paper,
like if if you go into a pitch

1138
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,280
meeting and bring either Field
of Dreams or Forrest Gump into

1139
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,240
the pitch meeting, you're like,
I'm sorry, what is this movie

1140
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,560
about?
But yeah, but they're just

1141
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,440
American classics now.
And I think that you could do a

1142
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,920
lot worse than Field of Dreams
here.

1143
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,240
Yeah, I mean, I mean, Field of
Dreams is like the ubiquitous,

1144
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,760
if you ask any commoner what's
your favorite baseball movie,

1145
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,400
It's like, I don't know, Field
of Dreams.

1146
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,200
I I saw like half of it once in
an afternoon.

1147
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,200
You know the peasants.
Oh man.

1148
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,080
OK, so have you seen Field of
Dreams?

1149
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,000
I have.
I think I saw it when I was in

1150
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,240
like 7th or 8th grade and I
literally have no memory of that

1151
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,760
movie.
Whatever you might remember

1152
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,640
about that movie, if you revisit
it, I promise you, you'll be

1153
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,040
like, I don't remember this, I
don't remember this.

1154
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,480
What's this movie about?
Where's the baseball?

1155
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,120
The baseball doesn't show up
until like the last five minutes

1156
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,680
of the movie.
It's kind of like aliens and

1157
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,880
signs, yes, it's like, it's
like, yeah, they just show up

1158
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,360
for the last 5 minutes.
All right, man, let's give this

1159
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,000
movie some final scores.
I'll get mine out of the way

1160
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,640
here.
I think this is a good movie.

1161
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,440
It's a very enjoyable movie.
I don't think it goes very deep.

1162
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,320
I think at its best, it's like
an 8 1/2.

1163
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,800
I think at its worst it's like a
six.

1164
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,960
So I'm going to fall kind of
right in the middle here.

1165
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,279
I think this is a somewhere
between A7 and a 7 1/2 film for

1166
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,880
me.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

1167
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,720
10, Brad.
Come on, Bob.

1168
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,439
Good movie.
Have a soul.

1169
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Good movie.
I think that this is a nine out

1170
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:37,720
of 10 movie, Bob, like I I think
that your qualifier of it was

1171
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,120
that this movie is like good but
shallow.

1172
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:46,000
I think this movie is good and
the depth of it is what draws me

1173
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,319
up to A9 like overall, for me,
it's like an eight 8 1/2 out of

1174
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,200
10.
But the emotional depth that you

1175
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,960
find in the character of Forrest
Gump, in the relationships and

1176
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,560
Jenny, like, I think that it
speaks to the core of human

1177
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,840
desire in a really powerful way.
And I, I, yeah, I, I think that

1178
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,680
this movie is way deeper than
people give it credit for.

1179
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,359
All right, so it's a 7 for me.
It's a nine from Brad, taking us

1180
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,120
to a very easy to average 8 out
of 10.

1181
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,359
But I'd like to know what you
think, which one of us is wrong?

1182
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:21,800
Because it's got to be one of
us, folks.

1183
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,840
Is it me or is it Brad?
You can tell us on any of our

1184
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,680
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1185
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,240
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1186
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,319
conversation, we are live on our
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1187
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:40,040
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1188
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,399
So if you'd like to join the
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1189
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,120
link to our Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

1190
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,160
notes.
Next week we are going to be

1191
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,600
wrapping up our Season 10
revisit with a movie that never

1192
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,440
ceases to make me feel like it's
freaking perfect, Alfred

1193
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:59,000
Hitchcock's Rear Window.
So join us next week for some

1194
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,560
Hitchcock, but until then, I'm
Bob Book.

1195
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,600
I'm Brad Gee.
And we'll see you next time.