Rear Window (1954) / Four Roses Yellow Label Bourbon

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In 1954, director Alfred
Hitchcock and starred Jimmy

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Stewart gave the world a peeping
glance into the seedy world of

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backyard voyeurism.
In 2026, much like the dog in

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this movie, we go digging in the
flower beds.

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The film is Rear Window.
The whiskey is 4 Roses yellow

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label.
I just got it.

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It's funny because the dog dies.
He dies bro.

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This is the Film Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And Brad, we are rounding out
Season 10 today.

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Our our, well, not really.
We've got a couple bonus

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episodes coming up here or
listener specials, I guess we're

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calling them.
But of the Season 1 movies that

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are left to review, we have
whittled it down to one This is

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it, man.
It's Rear Window time baby and

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I.
I could not be happier.

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What a great film like this is
pure, dare I say it, cinema.

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It truly is, man.
You know, I was thinking about

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this and you and I were kind of
talking about what kind of

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scores did we give this the
first time around?

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Oh, I think I gave it a nine or
a nine and a half.

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And this is, first of all, let's
just put this out there, Brad.

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I don't think we need to beat
around the Bush.

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This is a 10 out of 10 film.
Like it's just a perfectly made

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movie.
Yeah.

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Coming back to it after having
watched hundreds and hundreds of

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films makes me appreciate it all
the more, which makes me

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flabbergasted that you would
ever give it anything under A10

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Bob.
Well, I mean, you already had

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these.
Hold on a minute.

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I'm, I'm looking at our scores
right now.

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I don't think I gave it under
A10.

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I think you might have.
I think I want to throw you

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under the bus.
Brad, we both gave it a 9.5.

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And we were both wrong.
That's a good score.

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It's a good score, but it's it's
not the right score.

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It's.
Far too low for this movie.

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The thing is though, and I want
you know, I didn't know if we

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should save this discussion for
after the break, but I think

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let's just get out of the way
now.

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In Season 1, we watched this and
we watched Vertigo.

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Those were our two Hitchcock
movies.

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We both loved Vertigo.
And I was shocked then and I'm

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still shocked now that Vertigo
is as effective as it is on you.

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I thought, if anything, you
would think that movie was too

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slow.
And I think a lot of people

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prefer Rear Window because it is
just kind of this pure

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adrenaline shot of a movie.
There is, there's not really any

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fluff.
I think you can dig deep on it

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if you really want to, but there
is a surface level reading of

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this movie that is just fine.
Like, if that's all you ever

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want to do is be entertained by
a movie, this is the movie for

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you.
And Brad, we're talking before

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we press record about how do we
parse out the differences

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between Vertigo and Rear Window.
And I, being a guy who likes to

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eat food, decided that the way I
would make the analogy is

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Vertigo is like, it's like a
really good steak.

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It's like a, a, a dry aged piece
of meat that you have to really

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like, just ruminate on as you're
chewing it.

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You're, you're getting all these
complex flavors.

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It's something that sticks with
you after you eat it, But it's,

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it's nuanced.
Rear Window is like a really,

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really great burger.
Like it is just, it fills you up

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and it hits every single
receptor in your brain.

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That's like, fuck yes, food is
great.

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And, and that's kind of all you
need sometimes, man.

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And that's really what this
movie is.

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Yeah, Bob, I think that that is
literally a perfect analogy of

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what we have going on here.
Like I and it not even

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necessarily like a fancy burger.
Like this isn't like a 10 out of

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10 Swenson's burger.
It's better than that, but it's

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not like some.
Bougie.

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Like, you know, crazy high
falutin burger.

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This is just the best down to
earth.

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Dive bar that, yes, but like,
but like half pound melty

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American cheese.
Oh man, I'm Brad.

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I'm getting hungry.
Now, all right, yeah, forget

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this dude.
Let's let's pause on this.

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Let's go eat a burger.
Let's go eat a burger, man.

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So I also don't want to give the
impression that this isn't, you

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know, to, to use your word, Brad
cinema, because in a lot of

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ways, this is probably the the
purest.

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Like if we were if Alfred
Hitchcock films were black tar

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heroin, like this would be the
purest Walter White meth version

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of Alfred Hitchcock.
It's just like you don't even

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realize that you're watching a
master at work because it is

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such an engrossing exercise in
suspense.

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But there are so many wonders in
this movie and the camera is

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like floating in and out of
windows and across different

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panes and like it is I I can't
believe, I can't even imagine

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what the storyboarding process
for this movie must have looked

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like.
But every single shot is so

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meticulously thought out and
they never call attention to

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themselves.
Like the filmmaking here is a

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minor miracle unto itself.
The beautiful thing about this

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film is that I have to imagine
it was conceived like at a dive

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bar somewhere.
Hitchcock is with his friends

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and one of his buddies is like,
hey, Alf, I'll bet you you can't

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shoot an entire movie out of one
room.

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And he and Alfred immediately
went home and was like, I'm

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doing it.
I'm I am going to shoot this

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entire movie with every single
camera shopping from one room.

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And it's going to be a
masterpiece.

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And and and he nailed.
It well, the first thing he said

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was, oh, I'm sorry, did you not
catch rope?

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And then the guy was like, I
didn't like rope, try again.

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And he said I will.
And that guy was Brad G.

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Yeah, that, that probably would
be me, Bob.

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All right, man, let's dive into
talking about this movie a

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little bit in earnest, and I
think in order to do that, we

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need to get to our first segment
of the day, which we call Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plot with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock.

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So let's go ahead and do your
take with this little segment

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that we can Brad explain the.
Podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the film that he has
just seen.

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Brad, did you get around to
watching this movie at all in

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between season 1 and season 10?
You know, that is getting far

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enough in the distant past now
that I don't think I did.

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I know that I loved it and I
know I talked about a lot with

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friends.
I don't think I ever got around

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to seeing it again until this
rewatch.

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It's one of those movies that
every single time I watch it,

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I'm like, I need to introduce
somebody to this movie because

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it's just, there's only a
handful of movies.

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There's like this and 12 Angry
Men, Casablanca, that I'm just

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like, everyone I know would like
this movie if they just sat down

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and watched it.
I don't know a a soul on earth

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who would be checked out during
this movie.

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Is that like, your litmus test
when you meet new people?

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Like, like if you can tell that
they wouldn't like Casablanca,

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you're like, well, it was nice
to meet.

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You don't seem worth knowing.
Yeah, exactly.

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All right, Brad, on that note,
you, you've got around to

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watching it again.
I think we should give the

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disclaimer to folks that we were
planning on recording this

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episode, I don't know, a couple
weeks ago, Brad, it's been a

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minute since we rewatched this.
And in order to refresh

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ourselves, we did something that
we've never done before.

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We went to YouTube and we
watched one of those I'm

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reacting to a movie I'm watching
for the first time videos.

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And it was actually a really
great experience because you get

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to see small clips of the big
moments in the movie and people

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having their reactions to them.
But everything's laid out in

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sequential order.
So you really are getting a

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quick refresher of the movie.
And it, it really helped put me

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back in my own headspace that I
was experiencing as I watched

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the movie.
So thank you random guys on

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YouTube for for giving me that
experience.

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I don't know, Brad, was it
helpful for you to do that?

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Yeah, it was very helpful.
I think it was also just fun to

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watch somebody experience it for
the first time and hear like the

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the guessing, especially with a
Hitchcock film that like to hear

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them kind of working through
what's happening was really

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entertaining.
All right, you have 60 seconds

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on the clock to break down the
plot of this movie, including

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spoilers.
Folks.

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I don't know if I can give a
stronger recommendation.

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If you have not seen this film,
for the love of God, please go

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watch this movie.
You will like it.

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Like I can almost guarantee it.
Yes, come back and listen to

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this when you're done.
But Brad, it's time for you to

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do.
Brad explains and go.

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Rear Window is a film about a
photographer whose leg is

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broken.
He is put up in his wheelchair,

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unable to leave the apartment,
and he takes to voyeurism as a

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pastime.
He is creeping on all of his

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neighbors and eventually
stumbles upon late at night what

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he imagines to be a murder of a
husband, killing his nagging

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wife.
If you if you had any doubts

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about Hitchcock's view on
marriage, you I don't think

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you'll lose it.
After this, he and his

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girlfriend, fiance Grace Kelly
kind of go on a mystery murder

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adventure hunt with his live in
Nurse and adventure and mischief

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and mystery ensue.
That was good.

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That was more like a teaser for
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Thanks, man.
We're not going to give the

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whole thing away here, folks.
Yeah, I mean we all, but just

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not in Braddock's place.
Yeah, we we sure will.

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I think the the key thing for me
about this movie is that I don't

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know if I have ever experienced
a better job of a director

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getting you to fall in love with
characters without ever letting

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half of the characters really
like, say, a line like it is.

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It's a master class in body
language and camera positioning.

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And as you said earlier, Bob,
the wonders that kind of allow

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you to feel like you're lazily
glancing about the apartment

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neighborhood.
I mean it's just it just has the

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most lived in feel of I think
any of his movies.

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You know, and, and this movie
had a sizable budget because

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we're dealing with Jimmy Stewart
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You know, it was super expensive
to build this set on a sound

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stage with basically functional
buildings inside of it.

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And what I really love is, you
know, like you said, Brad,

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you're getting a view of the
courtyard area that like 3 or 4

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adjacent buildings in New York
City are forming.

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And through this tiny little
crack between two of the

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buildings, you get a view out to
the Main St. as well.

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And so it gives the impression
of a really bustling

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neighborhood, but you're really
only filling a few strategic

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areas on the screen with
movement with people.

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And those are the windows that
Jimmy Stewart's able to look

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into.
And man, I, I, like I said, I

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don't think it has a low budget,
But if this movie were to be a

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low budget film, I think, you
know, if you're, if you're

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instructing up and coming indie
movie directors, hey, you only

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have a limited budget.
Really all you have at your

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disposal are the tools of movie
making.

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I don't know that you could show
a better movie to exemplify that

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than this.
Even like a 12 angry men.

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There's like 300 camera setups
in that movie, whereas this one

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is like you have to use your
editing.

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There's really no music in the
movie except for some diegetic

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music playing out of an
apartment across the way.

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You, you have really good
actors, but like you are filling

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strategic spaces at certain
times and shots to give depth,

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to give impressions of, like I
said, a bustling neighborhood.

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Every now and then he'll have
extras walking past.

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And so it's like, oh man,
there's people walking

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throughout this neighborhood.
If you look at some of the the

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conversations they have, like
over the shoulder shots of Jimmy

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Stewart and Grace Kelly talking
in the apartment.

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And then way off in the
background, you can see like one

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of the people in the window of
their apartment.

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And it makes you think, Oh my
gosh, these shots must have been

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so highly coordinated.
And some of them are.

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But sometimes Hitchcock's like,
hey, lady, just go stand in that

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window.
And it, it makes this film feel

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even more, I don't want to say
micromanaged, but like even more

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accomplished.
It's almost like he's, he's

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pulling from his bag of tricks
to make the movie seem even

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bigger than it really is.
And it's just such a masterful

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job, man.
Well, and as I was doing

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research for my 2 Facts and a
falsehood, he literally spent

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the entire movie in Jimmy
Stewart's apartment and just had

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radio pieces in everybody's ears
and would just like give

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instructions across the
courtyard to all of his actors

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as they were going.
So like when you say he, he

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would just literally tell
people, hey, go stand over here

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like that's what he was doing.
And I, I have to imagine that,

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as you said earlier, the
storyboarding for this had to be

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so precise so that he was able
to give radio instructions and

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they would have already
rehearsed it enough and known

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what he was asking for, that
they can hit those marks without

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him being in the room.
Yeah, 100%, man.

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And if you've ever seen pictures
of, like, what old movie cameras

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looked like when they had reels
of film attached to them and

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they would basically have a
chair bolted to this rig, they

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weighed hundreds of pounds.
A guy had to push the, you know,

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the camera back and forth.
It wasn't like they were they

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strapped something to a drone
and we're just flying it across

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this courtyard and it's it makes
it all the more mind blowing to

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think about the gracefulness of
the camera floating around this

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apartment.
Like I imagine there was so much

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track laid down in this
apartment, but even to kind of

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like come from outside the
window to back inside, they had

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to be pulling out false walls
and stuff like that.

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I just, I would love to have
been on set for this for a day

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to see how they were
accomplishing some of these

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shots.
You had lots of great points

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there, Bob.
As soon as you said a drone

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flying across the courtyard, all
I could think about was a

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Michael Bay remake of Rear
Window.

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And it ends with every building
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Should Grace Kelly and Jimmy
Stewart like, just like, making

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out in the middle as all the
buildings fall around them?

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She's wearing like Daisy Dukes.
Yeah, 100%, man.

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What a brilliant film.
So Brad, you know, there are two

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big themes to this movie, and
I'm going to save the more

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positive and uplifting one for
the second-half of the episode

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because I know where you're
going to go with this movie.

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And you do such a good job of
talking about this every time a

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movie about community and the
need for community comes up.

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Come on, baby.
So I'll let you do that later

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on.
You can redeem this episode.

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I want to talk about The Dirty
old man of this film because

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that is the other theme of this
movie is that there's some real

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perverts hanging out in the
world, folks, and Jimmy Stewart

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is one of them.
Yes, he, he really is Bob.

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I'll, I'll be honest with you,
as I was watching this film and

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as I was revisiting it, I, I
thought to myself at multiple

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points throughout the movie, I
was like, man, the men in this

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movie suck.
Like they're the worst.

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And then I thought about it and
I'm like.

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But also the women all kind of
suck too.

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Yeah, so like so this like.
And I'm not saying that women

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suck.
I'm saying that Hitchcock has a

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very specific view of
monogamous.

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Relationships, yeah, But I think
it goes deeper than that.

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And this is something that like
when when critics talk about

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this movie, you know, they
always psychoanalyze the

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filmmaker.
And this is a movie all about

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the voyeurism of movie going.
It's about how we Roger Ebert

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had an incredible review of this
movie.

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And I had the quote pulled up
and I just X out of it.

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But like, you know, he talks
about how at the end of the

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movie, when Raymond Burr comes
into the apartment to confront

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Jimmy Stewart, we are terrified
because we're right there with

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Jimmy Stewart.
We're complicit with him and we

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know deep down that we deserve
to be punished just the same way

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he does.
And what really struck me this

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time around, Brad, is I think
obviously Jimmy Stewart is a

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conduit or like a surrogate for
Alfred Hitchcock, right?

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Like Alfred Hitchcock,
notoriously a very dirty old

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man.
And I think that he's he's

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interrogating himself in this
movie, but he's also kind of

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like, say it proud.
I'm perverted or say it loud.

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I'm perverted and proud.
Like that's because did.

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Did you just come up with that,
Bob?

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I did not, no.
That, that, that was pretty

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impressive.
Thank you.

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I, I am part of a club the, the
perverts of America.

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Yeah.
There's a scene in this movie

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where I was like, oh, OK, I see
what you're doing.

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You know, and we've talked about
this every time we've revisited

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a Hitchcock movie, like the sex,
the psychosexual implications.

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Hitchcock's just a dirty old
pervert man and he gets he gets

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his jollies by implicating the
audience in also being dirty

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with him.
And in this movie, it's very

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apparent because Jimmy Stewart
for the 1st 45 minutes of the

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movie is like, I have this
girlfriend, she's beautiful.

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She's Grace Kelly, she's too
perfect.

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And I don't like that about her.
And what we know about Jimmy

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Stewart is he he lives for the
thrill, like he he has a

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perversion, whether it's sexual
or not.

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Like he'll.
Be clear not not Jimmy Stewart.

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Oh, no, Oh no.
I'm coming at you.

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Jimmy Stewart, like his
character in this movie, is a

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photographer, but he is like a
he works for like Life magazine

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or something, but he's the
action photographer.

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He got injured because he was
standing in the middle of a

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racetrack as these cars were
racing and he broke his leg.

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He lives for that kind of action
and adrenaline.

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Quick question, how does he
break his leg?

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I mean, you know.
Because like, like I'm imagining

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a car wreck happening around him
and I I can't imagine a

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situation that doesn't end with
him dying.

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Well, I, I mean, I don't know
man.

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Is that really your like that's
the question you came out of

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this movie with?
I'm very, I'm very intrigued.

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Anyway, the point I was making
was, so of course he's going to

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start snooping on his neighbors
and he's going to get his rocks

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off doing that because he's
living for the thrill of this

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perversion.
And how does he express this

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perversion, Brad?
How does he get his jollies?

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He gets his jollies by looking
at people through the lens of

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his camera.
Like, he is very clearly Alfred

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Hitchcock and he is an absolute
jerk to Grace Kelly for the 1st

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40 minutes of this movie.
And crucially, there is a moment

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where Grace Kelly goes like
she's she's not really

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convinced.
And then all of a sudden they

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look over and they see something
happening and she goes, tell me

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everything you know about this.
And there's a fade out.

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And when it fades back in, she's
already across the courtyard,

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snooping for him.
And all of a sudden like she

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comes back and she's real happy
and she's like, oh boy, that was

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so much fun.
And he's like, oh, I love you.

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Like it's gross.
It's super gross, dude.

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Like you could tell this guy it
has has dirtied her up and they

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are like rolling around in the
filth right now.

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All right, Bob, I'm, I'm going
to, I'm going to pull you back a

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little bit because I feel like
you're walking very close to the

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edge of a Cliff.
I don't think that this film is

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as weird as you're making it out
to be.

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I don't.
I'm not saying it's weird.

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I'm saying that like, Hitchcock
is very explicitly making a

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movie about perversion.
And I don't necessarily know,

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like he is condemning it, but
it's also a movie that's as much

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about participating in it as it
is condemning it.

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See, perversion even is a strong
word.

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Like I I guess maybe I'm just
putting myself into the world of

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the movie too much.
If if I was cooped up IA known

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non pervert Brad G Just putting
it out there if I was.

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Come on, hold on one second,
what does it mean to be a known

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non pervert?
That means that I'm a good guy.

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I know, but I've never heard
anybody express it like Brad G

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Definitely not a pervert.
Like that's suspicious in

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itself, Brad.
So many people.

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Oh, man.
All I'm trying to say is I don't

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think that his voyeurism is very
perverted.

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I think it's a very obvious
thing to do when you live in the

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1950s and don't have a
television in your apartment and

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live in New York City.
Yeah, and again, I'm, I'm saying

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like there is a surface level
reading of this movie that works

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just fine.
I also think that, like Alfred,

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Hitchcock is a dirty old man,
and it is perfectly valid to

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read every single one of his
movies as coming from the mind

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of a dirty old man.
See man, Bob, if I'm being

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blunt, I think that the The
Dirty old man take is the

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surface level take of the movie.
Oh, interesting to be that's

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like so obvious and so talked
about that feels like the

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obvious, like surface level
it's.

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Played out, being dirty, it's
played out.

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Yeah, it's just so played out.
I I think that there's other

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things going on here that are
more interesting to me.

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But like, you're not wrong.
Like that is a take to have on

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this movie.
I personally don't think it's as

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strong as as you're making it
out to be because of how lazy

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the camera work is.
And not lazy and like it's not

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good.
Just like the way the camera

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lazily moves about the apartment
complex in the early parts of

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the film indicate that he's not
like.

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There's not intent there.
Yeah, it's, and like the way he

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talks about, you know, Miss
Lonely Heart, it's kind of like,

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yeah, I've just sat here for the
last 5-6 weeks.

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There's nothing to do.
And I, I've noticed she's Miss

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Lonely Heart and he's Mr. Piano
Guy.

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And there's Miss Torso who's
dancing all the time.

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And and then there's a newlywed
couple that just moved in.

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And like, to me, all of that
feels very innocent.

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The only place it gets weird is
when he starts to wonder if

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there's a murder.
And I think that the voyeurism

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would be condemned if at the end
of the film there wasn't truly a

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murder.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is

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like it, it does kind of justify
being a creep in a way because.

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Because, like, yeah.
'Cause he catches the killer.

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The one time that he's like, I
think someone's dead.

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They're like, dude, you're
creepy.

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And then it turns out he's
vindicated completely.

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Yeah, so if anything, this is
Hitchcock's like defense.

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By on your neighbors people.
I was right all along.

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Neighborhood watch is an
important thing in every

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community.
All right, I want to go back to

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something you were saying before
The Dirty Old Man talk.

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And it was the establishment of
all these kind of secondary

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characters who you never see
having lines of dialogue unless

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you can kind of hear it wafting
across the courtyard.

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First of all, for a 1954 film,
the sound design, incredible,

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like it's just years ahead of
its time.

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But I love how Hitchcock not
only gets us intimately familiar

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with every single secondary
character in this courtyard, but

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then also so brilliantly uses
them as like a distraction at

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points, like a diversion.
There's a there's a moment where

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this character, Miss Lonely
Heart, is about to commit

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suicide.
And it's at the exact same time

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that Grace Kelly is in the
apartment of the killer.

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And so there's a suspenseful
thing going on here, but there's

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something even more immediate
than that suspense happening

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downstairs.
And so we're going to, we're

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going to attract all of your
attention to whether this poor

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woman is going to overdose on
sleeping pills.

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And then you just see Thor,
Thorvald, Thorvald, Thorwald.

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00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,720
You see Thorwald walking up and
all of a sudden you're like.

445
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,360
Oh my God, it catches you so off
guard and it's brilliant because

446
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:30,600
it doesn't feel manipulative or
deceptive in any way.

447
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,320
It's totally earned because you
do care about this other

448
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,320
character.
But it's man, it's almost like

449
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520
anti suspense.
Like Hitchcock is so good at

450
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,760
building suspense when you know
what's going to happen.

451
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,800
But he's also really good at
the, for lack of a better term,

452
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,760
the jump scare in this movie.
Well, he, he lulls you into a

453
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,920
sense of ease where like the
early camera shots where I said

454
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
he was, you know, it's a lazy
camera shot.

455
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,120
Just kind of Jimmy Stewart's eye
just kind of glancing across the

456
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,920
the courtyard.
He continues to do that

457
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,840
throughout the film.
And this is a perfect example of

458
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520
it.
It feels so natural for Jimmy

459
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,600
Stewart to be like watching
Grace Kelly.

460
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,120
She's doing, oh, what's going on
with Miss Lonely Hard down here?

461
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,400
And for the camera just to kind
of gently pan downward and focus

462
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,840
on what's going on with her.
And, and you're like, oh, man,

463
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,000
like she is about to commit
suicide.

464
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,880
And I don't want that to happen.
And how are we going to stop

465
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960
this from happening?
And then boom, Thorwald is in

466
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,320
the apartment and he's
confronting Grace Kelly and

467
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,920
you're back in it.
And you, like, you get lulled

468
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,080
back into your seat just enough.
And then after that to talk

469
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,520
about it feeling like real life,
we still have the problem of

470
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Miss Lonely Heart wanting to
commit suicide.

471
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,920
Like that didn't just go away
because Grace Kelly got

472
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,040
attacked.
Yeah, it's a question of

473
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,200
immediacy, right?
And I think what I, what I love

474
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,880
so much about this movie is
that, man, I was watching it

475
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,320
this time and I know what's
going to happen in this movie.

476
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840
And for it to work as well as it
does still is a testament unto

477
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
itself.
But like, I didn't realize that

478
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,240
that fade out and fade back in
after he thinks that Thorwald

479
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,440
has killed his wife is like at
least 45 minutes into the movie.

480
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,400
Like it's a long build up.
It's a long period of, you know,

481
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,440
quote, UN quote world building.
And again, I've seen this movie

482
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,720
like 10 times and this time I
was like, oh, this seems a

483
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,120
little slow for my tastes.
But the great thing is you get

484
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:37,200
45 minutes of build up and then
you get an hour of pay off.

485
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Every single scene after that,
whether it is like immediate pay

486
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,560
off or just suspense building,
you get the crucial point of did

487
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
he murder his wife?
And then everything after that

488
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,440
is the fallout of that, of him
witnessing that thing and you

489
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,040
are on a roller coaster for the
last hour plus of this movie.

490
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Yeah, and and and that's why
this movie is a 10 out of 10 is

491
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,840
because he does this masterful
job of like said it.

492
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,280
He's like juggling like 8
different balls in the air.

493
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,080
And then he he knocks each of
them like out of the park for a

494
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,280
home run.
And just every single little

495
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,440
subplot of the movie resolves
itself beautifully.

496
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,120
It all comes to fruition and
unexpected ways, even like the

497
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,800
cheesy one of Miss Torso, who
you know, if you haven't seen

498
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
seen it and you you should have
because we told you to stop and

499
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,520
watch it if you haven't seen it.
She's a dancer that lives across

500
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,720
the way.
She has a lot of like young,

501
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,120
attractive men calling on her,
trying to take her out on dates.

502
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,600
At the end of the film, once the
murder has been resolved, her,

503
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,680
her beau husband, I would guess
fiance, comes home from military

504
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,280
service and is like, I don't
know, like Rick Moranis?

505
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Like it's like just this perfect
little sweet moment of like, oh

506
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
man, she's really good after
all.

507
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,080
She's a great girl.
Brad, I think this is a great

508
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,040
spot for us to hit pause and
drink some 4 Roses.

509
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,480
So in addition to you not
revisiting this movie, I have

510
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,320
not revisited this whiskey.
What do you say we give it a go?

511
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Let's get to it.
All right, folks, so today we

512
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,680
are checking out four roses or
as it's more colloquially known,

513
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,320
4 roses yellow label, which kind
of pisses me off a little bit,

514
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,760
Brad, because I'm assuming that
the label was at one point much

515
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,720
more yellow than it is now.
It's definitely like a tan

516
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,560
color.
It's it's not yellow anymore and

517
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,600
I don't you've.
Not seen?

518
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,400
You've not seen pictures of the
original label.

519
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040
I mean maybe at some point, I
don't know, but the current

520
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,760
label definitely not yellow.
I wouldn't call that yellow.

521
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,880
No, it it is like cream, creamy
tan khaki, maybe khaki.

522
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,320
The old label, the old bottle
was like originally designed and

523
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,560
I think like 92 or 93 and it was
a bright ass yellow label.

524
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,200
So.
That's what you want.

525
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
You don't need cream colored
anyway.

526
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,360
So that's what we're drinking
today.

527
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,240
Now this is the sort of most
baseline entry level version of

528
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,560
Four Roses.
We have tried 4 Roses small

529
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Batch.
We've tried I believe Single

530
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Barrel at one point.
We've had small batch select.

531
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,000
There are increasing kind of
tears and rarities to 4 Roses

532
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640
releases, but this is the
baseline one.

533
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,720
This is an 80 proof bourbon, so
just at the legal limit for how

534
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240
low of a proof it can be to
still be called bourbon.

535
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,320
It has an undisclosed mash bill.
They do say that it is aged for

536
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520
at least five years, so this is
more well aged than most 80

537
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,320
proof bourbons you would find on
the shelf.

538
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,920
But this is your standard, like,
you know, $25, twenty, $25

539
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,400
bottle of bourbon.
Now we've just tried the Four

540
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Roses Small Batch just a few
weeks ago.

541
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,560
And it was.
Pretty good.

542
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Like, I don't think either of us
were wowed by it, but it was

543
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600
pretty good.
What I have what?

544
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,560
I'm piercing together and this
is an assumption is that 4 roses

545
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,280
really seems to want you to
think that small batch is the

546
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,640
entry level version and they
don't even really advertise

547
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,480
yellow label anymore because
even in the state of Ohio they

548
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,920
don't sell like 50ML versions of
yellow label, they only sell it

549
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,520
of small batch.
So it's like.

550
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,160
This is the bastard stepchild of
the line up it seems now Brad.

551
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,560
Yeah, well, and just so if if
anybody's looking for it, it is

552
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,480
officially called 4 Roses
Bourbon.

553
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Mm hmm.
And that's it.

554
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,040
So they're they're very clearly
not giving it any sort of

555
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,800
marketing flair.
To be like this is a.

556
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,240
A small batch.
This is a single.

557
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,320
It's like no, this is 4 rows
bourbon and here over here we

558
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,560
have small batch.
Well, and The thing is though,

559
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800
like if you're going to hang the
name of your bourbon on

560
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,440
something like this is no
different than like Jim Beam

561
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,680
bourbon or Jack Daniels
Tennessee whiskey.

562
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,960
Like this is what 4 Roses is
supposed to be, and if you want

563
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280
small batch to be that, then you
should make it that and just

564
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,560
discontinue this.
Anyway, I'm getting ahead of

565
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
myself.
You might know already how I

566
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240
feel about this one.
I just tried it today.

567
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Brad.
I'm gonna pretend to be drinking

568
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680
something and I'll be honest
about the fact that I had to go

569
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,080
to a bar to get this 'cause I
wasn't gonna buy a whole bottle.

570
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,760
It was a $5.50 pour, which I
think is very reasonable, but we

571
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400
will be kind of grading it on
the price of the bottle itself.

572
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Brad, you also had to go to a
bar to get a pour of this.

573
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Sure did.
It was, I think mine was like

574
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
495.
It was a little a little bit

575
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,400
cheaper, but yeah, 5 bucks.
We'll take it, man.

576
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Let's go ahead and dive in here.
Now, I, you know, I don't have

577
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,080
the small batch in front of me
to compare it directly to, but

578
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160
it's been recent enough that I
know what 4 Roses kind of tastes

579
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680
and smells like.
And I will say that as we move

580
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,840
into the nose here, this was
right in line with what I

581
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,240
remembered about that 4 Roses
small batch.

582
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560
There was a ton of oak right on
the front.

583
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,080
It kind of a standard vanilla
note, but not overly sweet.

584
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360
I got a lot of rice spice and I
got a lot of black pepper.

585
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,200
This was a very spicy nose to
me.

586
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,440
And I think that this is kind of
like what people think about who

587
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320
don't like bourbon, like what
they think bourbon smells like.

588
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,240
It doesn't smell bad, but it's
like all of those kind of more

589
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,960
spicy, less sweet, decadent
notes of a bourbon, all of them

590
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360
in a glass at the same time.
I don't know how you felt about

591
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,200
it, Brad.
I thought it was a decent nose.

592
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,200
I got the I got the baking spice
especially like a black pepper

593
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040
oak.
The vanilla is there for me.

594
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,520
It had like a little bit of like
a pear florally kind of notes

595
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,920
going on, but not like very
effervescent and not nothing

596
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,720
really stuck around for very
long.

597
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,360
I gave it a six. .5 on the nose.
I think it's decent.

598
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,120
It's nothing to write home
about.

599
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Yeah, I mean, I liked it just
fine for what it was.

600
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,920
I gave it a 7.5 and that would
prove to be the highest score I

601
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,840
give throughout this review.
So moving into the taste,

602
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,880
immediately bitter, like a
bitter taste to me.

603
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560
And at first it was like a very
bitter apple.

604
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,600
Like, I don't even know, you
couldn't call it apple peel.

605
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,800
It was bitter apple.
And then it just turned into ash

606
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,600
and barrel char.
I did make note of the mouthfeel

607
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,560
here.
Incredibly thin, incredibly

608
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,719
watery and and I think sometimes
when you water down whiskey too

609
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,360
much, it starts to bring out
both the the really sour and the

610
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,400
really bitter notes in that
whiskey.

611
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,840
And this has just proven to be
diluted down way too much.

612
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,800
Like this should not be 80 proof
it it did a disservice to

613
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:56,040
whatever the distillate is.
I gave it a 5.5 on taste bread.

614
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000
Yeah, it it.
Kind of reminds me.

615
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,280
When you're used to.
Drinking like even just like

616
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Brita water.
And then you go to somebody's

617
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,040
house and they're like, oh.
Yeah, we just use the.

618
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Tap and you get like city water
and you're like, you're like,

619
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,280
that's a little bit metallicy
and there's something funky with

620
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,840
it.
It kind of reminded me of that

621
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,120
and I think it might be because
there's so much water in it.

622
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,560
You are getting more of the
flavour of whatever water

623
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,520
they're using.
I got like a little bit of a

624
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040
burnt sugar vibe.
The vanilla's kind of there.

625
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,840
There's a lot of baking spices,
but it it's kind of a a bitter

626
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,760
baking spices experience.
It's not, I wouldn't say it's

627
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,520
horrific.
I like, I overall feel like the

628
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,240
vanilla and caramel were there,
the burnt sugar was there.

629
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,920
It gives it a little bit of
flavor.

630
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200
I'm at a six out of 10 on the
palate.

631
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,240
Like historically we have not
been huge for roses guys.

632
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,880
And there are people out there
that swear by it.

633
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Four swear by 4 roses.
There's people out there that

634
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,480
swear by Wild Turkey.
I mean both of us I think have

635
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,480
like 1 bottle in each of those
line UPS.

636
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,960
Like I like 4 roses, small batch
select, I like Wild Turkey, rare

637
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,840
breed, pretty much the rest of
the line up I'm iffy on in both

638
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,120
of those brands.
So sometimes a brand just

639
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,400
doesn't vibe with your
particular palette.

640
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,240
And that's me with four roses.
But when I look at this baseline

641
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,560
offering and I get into the
finish here, the only notes I

642
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,720
made were in the positive side,
surprisingly long lasting.

643
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,760
Like it really hung around on
the negative side.

644
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,840
It didn't taste good, so like it
was just.

645
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,640
I said unfortunately, it's
bitter as hell.

646
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,160
Yeah, fun fact, Bob, that's not
a good thing when it doesn't.

647
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,600
Taste good?
No, I mean to be commended for

648
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,160
how long it stuck around, not to
be commended for how it tastes.

649
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,520
I gave it a 5 out of 10 on the
finished.

650
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Bread.
Man, I, I didn't have quite the

651
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,240
experience that you did.
It definitely got very oaky,

652
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,000
lots of black pepper.
The the note that I took on the

653
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600
finish that I thought was
interesting was that it was like

654
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000
sour Patch Kids but without
sugar.

655
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Like like just just sour and a
tiny bit fruity, but like

656
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,000
nothing good to just like get
rid of the bittery soury

657
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,200
flavour.
So I give it a six out of 10 on

658
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000
the finish.
I actually weirdly think balance

659
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,080
wise that this is like a well
balanced whiskey.

660
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,800
Like they get the things they're
looking for.

661
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480
It's pretty consistent
throughout.

662
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,520
I will give it a 6.5 on balance
just for the fact that like you

663
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,320
kind of know what you're getting
into on the nose and and it

664
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,520
delivers.
I'm going to give it a 5.5 and

665
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,600
my really, you know, again, we
are one of the most highly

666
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
regarded whiskey reviewing sites
in the world.

667
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Brad, my notes on the balance
were not great. 5.5 That's all I

668
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,320
wrote down.
What a what a no Bob.

669
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,240
Not green.
Yeah.

670
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,640
And I think, I think when it
gets into value, we are looking

671
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,600
in the state of Ohio to buy 750
milliliters of Four Roses

672
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:07,280
bourbon to spend $24.00, which I
would say is about 6 to $8 too

673
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,760
much for what you're getting.
With that being said, I'm at a

674
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,640
six out of 10 on the value it
it's really not a horrific

675
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,360
budget bourbon.
It's just that there's other

676
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,240
stuff.
Right around this price range

677
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:26,600
that is a lot better.
Yeah, I'm going to give it a 5

678
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,400
out of 10 on value.
And I think that that's kind of

679
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,000
splitting the difference between
there just aren't a lot of sub

680
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,120
$20 bourbons anymore.
And I think that if you're

681
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,440
comparing this to Jack or Jim or
whatever, you know, Wild Turkey

682
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
80 proof, right?
Like it's, it's right in line

683
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,640
with those market wise, taste
wise.

684
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,040
I would buy regular benchmark
and enjoy that more than this.

685
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,320
And that's going to be 6-7
dollars cheaper.

686
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,560
Like that's a $15 bottle of
whiskey and I think it's

687
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,560
significantly better than this.
So, you know, there is stuff out

688
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,800
there for $20 and less that I
think improve upon what you're

689
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,760
getting here with Four Roses.
So I'm at a 5 out of 10 on value

690
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,520
and Brad that is bringing me out
to a 28.5 out of 50.

691
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,480
By far my lowest score in a long
time here on film and whiskey.

692
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Yeah, I'm coming out to a 31 out
of 50.

693
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,760
You know, a 30 out of 50 is like
a average but maybe respectable

694
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,080
score.
It's not something I'm going to

695
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,640
recommend.
I think $5 at the bar is too

696
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,600
much to pay for this.
Yeah, we're coming out to a 59

697
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:44,360
1/2 out of 100 or just a 29.75
out of 50 on average.

698
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,160
This is going to get a thumbs
down for me.

699
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,000
Now I will say, you know not to
poo poo the brand of Four Roses.

700
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,960
We did like the small batch.
Like I don't think that it

701
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,080
knocked my socks off.
I would feel much better walking

702
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,800
into somebody's house and them
telling me like, what do you

703
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,560
think of this bottle I bought?
If they pick up small batch for,

704
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200
you know, $5 more than this one.
This is just.

705
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Frankly, I just don't think this
is worth your money, folks.

706
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not.

707
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640
I think the small batch, now I
will say about the small batch

708
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
is $37.
So.

709
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
You're, you're looking at a
little, little bit of a higher

710
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,600
price there.
I will say, I don't know if it's

711
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,240
$15 better than this.
It's it's at least $10 better

712
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,480
than this.
Yeah, man, for sure.

713
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,960
So, Brad, you know what doesn't
let me down ever?

714
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:37,200
What's that?
Bob, 1954 film Rear Window by

715
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Alfred Hitchcock.
What an experience.

716
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,560
What do you say we get back into
talking about Rear Window?

717
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:49,680
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

718
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,880
That was a whiskey that does its
job, Bob.

719
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,080
You know it is a Workman like
whiskey.

720
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,320
It's fine.
Yep, it does what it needs to

721
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,280
do.
You know what's a hell of a lot

722
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,800
better than just fine?
Dude, this movie does what it

723
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,840
needs to do but.
And then some.

724
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,600
And then some.
That's right.

725
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,960
Well, Brad, you know, we've got
a couple weeks left in the

726
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,720
season, but I just want to say
I, I love 2 facts in a falsehood

727
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,800
this season, man.
This has been, this has been a

728
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,640
ride.
This has been an up and down,

729
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,720
but mostly up situation for me.
So I'm, I'm very excited to dive

730
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,280
back in folks.
It is time for our segment,

731
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,440
which we call 2 facts and a
falsehood.

732
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball to our right and what

733
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,400
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

734
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
and a Falsehood is the part of
the podcast where Brad presents

735
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,040
me with three items as fact
about the making of this movie,

736
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,680
one of which is a complete lie.
And it's my job to figure out

737
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,520
which one that is.
Man, Brad, it's, it's weird to

738
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,640
think about like how our podcast
developed over the seasons and

739
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,880
things that we were like, you
know, let's just try this out.

740
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
And then it became something
that we did every week. 2 Facts

741
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,360
and a Falsehood didn't start to
like Season 6.

742
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,840
Probably, yeah.
And I think, I think about it

743
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000
now as if it's been around
forever, but we didn't have this

744
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,120
back in Season 1.
Yeah, this is a shiny new toy,

745
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,600
pretty much.
We talk about Season 1 like we

746
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,800
grew up in the Dust Bowl, like
you heard, like we were in the

747
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,840
great.
We didn't have these fancy

748
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,600
things that we have now, the
sound.

749
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,240
Quality sounds like we were
recorded.

750
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:37,240
Recorded in a Dust Bowl.
Oh man, did you revisit the

751
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:40,480
season 1 episode on this?
No, I didn't.

752
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Man folks, first of all, we have
taken down the Season 1 audio

753
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840
feed from public channels, but
we love our Patreon subscribers

754
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,480
so much that we have left up
every single Season 1 episode on

755
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,600
our Patreon.
So quick plug for that.

756
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,840
We would love for you to join us
in our Patreon community.

757
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,440
We have three different tiers
that you can support us at each

758
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,560
month.
You get tons of bonus content.

759
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,760
You get early access to all of
our episodes.

760
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,560
With most episodes you even get
longer cuts and sometimes

761
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,280
unedited cuts of our episodes.
But now you can check out our

762
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,920
Season 1 review of Rear Window
to see where we both shook out

763
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,040
to a 9.5.
I got to say, man, the content

764
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,280
of that episode excellent.
Like it was a really, really

765
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,360
good episode, even if it sounded
like it was recorded in the

766
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120
1930s.
I mean, I was on the episode so.

767
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,960
I know.
Clearly you have been going to

768
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,160
be good.
You have always been a boon to

769
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,680
our podcast, Brad.
It wouldn't be much of A podcast

770
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,200
without me, Bob.
All right man, it's time for 2

771
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,120
facts and a falsehood, something
we didn't have back then but we

772
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,240
do have now.
Hit me with your two facts and a

773
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,080
falsehood.
Fact number one production on

774
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,280
the film ran about a week longer
than expected when the fire

775
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,560
hydrant on set exploded, leading
to flooding in the apartment

776
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,720
courtyard.
Fact #2 In the short story on

777
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,160
which this movie was based, it
is not revealed until the very

778
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,720
final line of the book that the
hero has a broken leg.

779
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Fact #3 With the exception of
the orchestral score at the in

780
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,800
the very first few scenes of the
movie, every bit of sound in

781
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,720
this film is diegetic.
I think #3 is true.

782
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,480
So that leaves one and two.
I remember reading on the

783
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Wikipedia page for this movie
that this set was absolutely

784
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,560
massive and it had a huge
drainage system involved because

785
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,040
of the scene where they shot
like the torrential downpour of

786
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,000
rain.
So I would imagine that if there

787
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,720
was a huge drainage system in
place that a fire hydrant

788
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,720
breaking would not halt
production for that long.

789
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,800
But you know, we'll set that
aside.

790
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,880
Remind me what was #2 again,
Brad?

791
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,440
The short story that it was
based on, the hero is not

792
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,800
revealed to have a broken leg
until the very end.

793
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,120
That's interesting, I know
nothing about the short story,

794
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,040
but I think it'd be kind of
weird to not reveal that till

795
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,680
the end because like then he
really is just a pervert, you

796
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,080
know what I mean?
Like why doesn't, why doesn't he

797
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,560
just go to work during the day?
Why is he looking out his window

798
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,240
all the time?
So that immediately strikes me

799
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,440
as suspicious too.
But it's hard for me to pick

800
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,960
that as the winner since I don't
know the short story.

801
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,520
I think I'm going to go with my
gut and say that number one is

802
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,200
the falsehood, Brad.
Robert Book, you are ending on a

803
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:35,760
high note with a correct answer.
Thank you Wikipedia nailed it.

804
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,600
Always helping me out through
college, through grad school.

805
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,280
As much as it kind of ruins
things, I really want to read

806
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,120
the short story now because I
don't know how you tell this

807
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,880
story without revealing that
that the main character has a

808
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,760
broken leg.
Do you think Hitchcock read this

809
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,760
story and was like, through most
of it, he was like, oh man, this

810
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,360
guy's just as dirty as me.
And then he saw that he had a

811
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,920
broken leg and he was like, come
on.

812
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,040
That's probably probably what
happened.

813
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,600
All right, man, let's dive back
into talking about the movie.

814
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,040
We have not actually talked
about the cast here.

815
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400
I think it's really funny
because when you look at the

816
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
poster for this movie, you know,
I'm I'm on the Wikipedia page,

817
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,080
it says Jimmy Stewart and then
it's got Grace Kelly, Wendell

818
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Corey, Thelma Ritter.
And I always forget about

819
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,360
Wendell Corey, who plays like
his detective friend in this

820
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,720
movie because I know Thelma
Ritter, like she's a she's a

821
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,520
very even to this day, like
she's a well remembered

822
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,880
character actress from this era.
And I know Jimmy Stewart and I

823
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,880
know Grace Kelly, but I have no
idea who Wendell Corey is really

824
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,560
outside of this film.
And so I think maybe let's start

825
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,480
there and kind of work our way
up the cast list.

826
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,120
Brad, what did you think of his
detective friend?

827
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,680
I don't even remember his name
so I'm calling him Detective

828
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,800
Friend.
Yeah.

829
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,440
Doyle.
His name's Doyle.

830
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,120
Yes, Lieutenant Doyle, if
there's a weak spot of this

831
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,200
movie, I think it's Wendell
Corey.

832
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,280
And I don't think it's because
of his performance.

833
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Like like I think he turns in a
fine performance for what they

834
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,960
need him to do.
The the character is just so

835
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,760
like, there's never any real
doubt that Thorwald has killed

836
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,600
his wife, right?
Like if you are in Jimmy

837
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,760
Stewart's position, yes.
And, and I just think that that

838
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,240
makes all of his protestations
feel just kind of silly and like

839
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,600
juvenile almost.
And it just makes me not enjoy

840
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,080
the character very much.
Yeah, it's a really hard

841
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,840
character to play.
And I don't like you said, I

842
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,160
don't think Wendell Corey does a
bad job, but he proves at

843
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,360
various points that he is both a
really good detective and also

844
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,440
completely wrong, You know what
I mean?

845
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,200
Like, he does the legwork.
He he always has like a a final

846
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,960
jab that he gives every time he
goes to visit Jimmy Stewart.

847
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,840
And and Stewart's like, hey, I
have this new evidence or this

848
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,080
new eyewitness account for you.
And he listens very patiently.

849
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,160
And then he goes, hey, by the
way, that that suitcase you

850
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,440
thought disappeared, it arrived
and it was picked up by Missus

851
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,280
Thorwald.
We had guys check on it like,

852
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,040
he's doing his job, He's doing
the legwork.

853
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,160
But it's undermined by the fact
that, like, the end of the movie

854
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,040
reveals it to be true that this
guy did murder his wife.

855
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Exactly how Jimmy Stewart said
so.

856
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,840
So like, you never really, like,
you kind of trust him and you

857
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,960
trust his ability to do his job,
but you also are in the position

858
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,640
of being with Jimmy Stewart all
the time.

859
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Like, you see the suspiciousness
of all this.

860
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,640
And so there's only so much you
can call the main characters,

861
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,240
like eyewitness account into
question and also the audience's

862
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,880
eyewitness account into
question.

863
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,240
And I feel like it kind of
leaves Wendell Corey out on an

864
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,320
island because, yeah, like we
want to discount his character

865
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
all together because he's the
one thing standing in the way of

866
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,440
justice at this point.
Well, and as an audience member,

867
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,120
you'd have to be sitting here
going, well, if Doyle is right

868
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,000
and there's no murder, then what
are we even doing here?

869
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,160
And and I think that's why I
lean away from the like old

870
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,680
pervert take on this movie
because like, if Hitchcock

871
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,920
wanted to, he could have done it
that way and been like, yeah,

872
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,800
no, there is no murder.
Jimmy Stewart's just a creep.

873
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:33,040
And I think if he does that,
this is not a 8.5 on IMDb.

874
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,480
It's not a top, you know, 100
film all time.

875
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Like I, I think it falls off the
list because it's antagonistic

876
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,200
to the audience, right?
Whereas like the way it's

877
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,840
filmed, it includes you in on
the secret.

878
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,240
Like, if anything, Doyle's
character serves the purpose of

879
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:55,280
like nobody else might believe
you, Like he, he represents the

880
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560
rest of the world.
Nobody would believe you.

881
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,800
But I'm in on the secret.
I I know what really happened

882
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,720
here.
And that makes you feel like

883
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
important and like you know
what's going on.

884
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:11,040
Brad, there is a cheat code to
having fun supporting characters

885
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,880
in the 1950s and her name is
Thelma Ritter.

886
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,160
She makes everything she's in
better and this is no exception.

887
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,280
She is just like, you know,
Jimmy Stewart is kind of like a

888
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,720
down to earth guy who's kind of
an asshole.

889
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,280
And Grace Kelly is very she's in
very high moving circles, right?

890
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,160
She she moves through the
cultural elite of New York.

891
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,400
And then you got Thelma Ritter,
who's just like, man, I bet the

892
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,200
blood splattered everywhere,
huh?

893
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,760
Like and everyone looks at her
and goes, oh, come on.

894
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,520
And she's like, well, we're all
thinking it.

895
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,240
And that's it's crazy because
she's the one character in the

896
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,160
movie, too, that gets all these
she gets to say explicitly.

897
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,440
But I didn't realize you could
get away with saying in 1954,

898
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,640
like, bro, this movie got away
with a lot.

899
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,160
Because at the end of the movie,
it is very clear that, yes, my

900
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:11,200
guy was dismembering his wife
and carrying her out in sections

901
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,600
in a suitcase.
Like that is not something that

902
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,360
we talked about as a nation in
the 1950s.

903
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,560
No, I mean it's like the what's
the post short story with the

904
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,320
the beating.
Heart.

905
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,680
Oh, the tell tale.
Heart, Yeah.

906
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Yeah, the tell tale heart man,
that's literally that.

907
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,920
But if he, like, transported her
and you had Thelma Ritter going,

908
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,280
yeah, her body's all over New
York by now.

909
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,720
It it always makes me curious
because Hitchcock was dealing

910
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,520
with, you know, again, I don't
mean to keep bringing up like

911
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,800
the sexual stuff, but like he
worked within the confines of

912
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,680
censorship, like he never did
anything that he wasn't allowed

913
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,040
to do.
But it was also very obvious all

914
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,840
the time what his characters
were actually talking about,

915
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,000
right.
And it's the same thing with

916
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,840
murder and with the the blood
and guts gory stuff that they're

917
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,520
talking about here.
It's like, I don't know if there

918
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,480
were just certain words that you
couldn't say explicitly.

919
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,400
And he so he just didn't say
those words.

920
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,720
But thematically, it's just
like, how did they get away with

921
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,160
saying some of the things they
said in this movie?

922
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,760
I just he must have had some
dirt on the guys at the

923
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040
censorship board because he
always seemed to get away with

924
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,680
this stuff.
I mean, I, I think it gives an

925
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:29,600
insight into the censor boards
priorities that like they're,

926
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,920
they are much more concerned
with what is seen over what is

927
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,800
said and like, yeah, you know,
like the old, the old saying a

928
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,880
picture is worth 1000 words and
a moving picture is worth a heck

929
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,000
of a lot more than that.
So I think that they were way

930
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,840
more worried about cleavage and
scene dismemberment than talking

931
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,040
about sex and talking about
murder.

932
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,440
It seems like for some reason
that they're very unworried with

933
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,440
what people converse about.
Yeah, but then you also have

934
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,800
that great sequence of Mist
torso dancing in a bathing suit

935
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,000
and then turning around and
pointing her butt at the camera

936
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,640
and bending all the way over.
And Stewart looks at his

937
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,160
detective friend and he, because
the guy is, like, glued to her.

938
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,360
And he's just like, how's your
wife doing?

939
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,920
It's just so funny.
But it's also like, how did he

940
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,560
get away with showing that, you
know?

941
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
I'll, I'll go back to Wendell
Corey for a second.

942
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,680
That was some good acting, man.
Because the way he pulls himself

943
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,680
away, he was in full reverie
mode.

944
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,880
Brad, I'm conflicted about Grace
Kelly in this movie because she

945
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,520
is, to be clear, excellent in
this movie.

946
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,920
Yes.
I never quite by her as the fun

947
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:57,920
loving girl trapped in a society
body, but I also like this

948
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,120
version of her a lot better than
I liked the To Catch a Thief

949
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,800
version of her.
So it's like she's one of those

950
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,440
actresses that I don't know if
we ever quite got like the

951
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,320
levers tuned perfectly to her.
You know what I mean?

952
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,280
I think she could she could have
been the prototype for Audrey

953
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,800
Hepburn.
But like, at this point, we

954
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,920
already had Audrey Hepburn.
And so Grace Kelly was like,

955
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,160
well, I need to be one step more
refined than Audrey Hepburn.

956
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,200
And so because of that, it she
always seems a little bit

957
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,520
distant.
And I think this movie does the

958
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,920
best that it can to make her
feel approachable.

959
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,240
But even then, it's like she was
a literal Princess in real life,

960
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,440
You know what I mean?
Like I I just I can never quite

961
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,440
get my arms around Grace Kelly
in a movie.

962
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,680
Well, the the struggle for me is
the like, the fact that her and

963
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,400
Jimmy Stewart are together at
all.

964
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,080
Like, and this kind of partially
gets into the the weirdness of

965
00:54:55,080 --> 00:55:00,120
old movies and and old movie
stars with young actresses where

966
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,680
that that just feels awkward
that they're together.

967
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,360
And like he talks about not
being of marrying age.

968
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
And I'm like, bro, you're like
53 in this movie.

969
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,400
Like if you're not marrying age,
then I don't know what marrying

970
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,960
age.
Is Yeah, he was like only a

971
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,240
couple years away from the
broken leg not being believable

972
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,560
because he should have had a
broken hip instead, you know

973
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,080
what I mean?
Like yes.

974
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Yeah, and so that I think that
makes this a struggle for me.

975
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,000
The other element of it is that
he is so mean to her that it's

976
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,440
really hard to believe that
they've had this long sustained

977
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,400
dating relationship that has the
foundation for him to be that

978
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,400
mean as he's like, trying to
drive her away.

979
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,360
And, you know, maybe dating was
just different in the 50s and

980
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,760
men were just mean to women.
That that's not how I got my

981
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,280
wife to fall in love with me.
It's not how I've kept her in

982
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,960
love with me.
But who not man, maybe the 50s

983
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,440
were were different.
I I think it's just her.

984
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,200
Her performance is great, but
the the way the characters

985
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,520
interact, it can just be so
brutal that I found I found

986
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,480
myself being drawn out of the
movie.

987
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,040
And it's weird, though, I, I
think it says a lot about, A,

988
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,560
how likable Jimmy Stewart is as
an actor, but, B, how effective

989
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,640
it is to make him, the audience
kind of stand in because we

990
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,480
should, if any character in this
movie should turn us off, it

991
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,680
should be Jimmy Stewart.
Like, Grace Kelly is innocent on

992
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,120
all charges in this movie.
Like, she's the one being

993
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,520
treated terribly.
And yet you and I are here

994
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,600
talking about like, yeah, I
didn't quite buy her, you know,

995
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,320
But he's the one who's pushing
her away.

996
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,520
He's the one who doesn't get
into her until she starts

997
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,920
sharing in this voyeurism of
his.

998
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Like he's clearly the messed up
one in this relationship.

999
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,600
It's it's not voyeurism, Bob,
It's an adventure.

1000
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,040
OK, listen, I called it a
perversion and you said call it

1001
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,240
voyeurism, and then I call it
voyeurism and you're like, call

1002
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,280
it an adventure.
It sounds like you're trying to

1003
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,720
justify something, my friend.
I I'm.

1004
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:03,520
Not trying to justify anything,
I'm just trying to say that she

1005
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,000
doesn't get sucked into the
voyeurism, she gets sucked into

1006
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,800
the mystery and adventure of it
all.

1007
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,600
I think she just figures out
that she is as kinky as he is

1008
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,920
and that's what we're dealing
with here.

1009
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,360
Let's talk about Jimmy Stewart
though.

1010
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,360
You know, we've talked a lot
about like Mount Rushmore's of

1011
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,800
actors and we've seen probably
Jimmy Stewart's most famous

1012
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,320
performances at this point.
We didn't review The

1013
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,640
Philadelphia Story for which he
won his Oscar.

1014
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,240
That would be up there on a
Mount Rushmore maybe just

1015
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,960
because it is his Oscar winning
movie.

1016
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,880
Maybe something from later in
his career like Anatomy of a

1017
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Murder.
But you know, we've seen Mr.

1018
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,400
Smith Goes to Washington, we've
seen this, we've seen Vertigo.

1019
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,280
I don't know, Brad, would you
put this from a purely like

1020
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,920
importance to his career and
quality of performance?

1021
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,960
Is this a Mount Rushmore movie
for him?

1022
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:03,200
Oh, man, I mean, I, I for me,
like It's a Wonderful Life has

1023
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,280
to be on there.
Like I can't keep that off.

1024
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,640
I Bob, I'm going to be honest
with you.

1025
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,040
I think It's a Wonderful Life
might be his best performance.

1026
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Yeah, for me, it's probably
either that or Mr. Smith.

1027
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,880
He's so good at Mr. Smith.
Yeah.

1028
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,800
So I for me, I think those are
my top 2 for him.

1029
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,920
This here's the thing, man, Like
if I could make a comparison and

1030
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,400
this wasn't going to be my let's
make it a double, but like it's

1031
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,920
a good comparison point.
This is kind of like watching

1032
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Leo in Shutter Island for me.
And I was just thinking about

1033
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,520
this the other day.
Like I actually think Shutter

1034
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,640
Island pound for pound, might be
my favorite DiCaprio performance

1035
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,040
of all time.
Because he was.

1036
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Playing like tortured guy in 18
movies in a row there for a

1037
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,360
while.
And Shutter Island's like a pure

1038
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,480
genre movie.
It's also the movie that I buy

1039
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,560
him the most in as tortured guy.
Like, you get the back story of

1040
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,600
what made him this way.
And I completely buy it in a way

1041
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,960
I don't with like The Departed,
you know what I mean?

1042
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,760
And I think with this movie,
it's not as showy and it's not

1043
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,240
as deep and it's not as nuanced
as like Vertigo is for him.

1044
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,800
But this movie doesn't work
unless Stewart understands the

1045
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,240
exact timing of every single one
of these, like, suspense

1046
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,960
building scenes.
When he picks up the phone and

1047
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,720
he thinks that it's Doyle
calling him, and he says a

1048
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,640
couple words, and then he
realizes that on the other end

1049
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,880
of the phone is Thorwald the
killer.

1050
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,000
And you just see his face sync.
It's the first time you're like,

1051
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,200
oh, this guy is screwed.
Like, what's going to happen

1052
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,160
now?
And so I think it's kind of an

1053
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,080
unsung performance, but it
doesn't work unless Stewart is

1054
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:57,120
like at an A+ level.
Yeah, I, I can't disagree with

1055
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,360
anything you're saying, Bob.
He does such a great job of

1056
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,160
drawing your attention into the
things that matter most.

1057
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,280
And when the when the tension is
ratcheted up, man, it, it hits

1058
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,480
10 out of 10, like when, when
Grace Kelly is getting captured

1059
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,720
and, and he like, puts his hand
to his mouth almost like

1060
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,680
instinctively.
Like you can feel the horror on

1061
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:30,280
his face and in his eyes that
transports you there into the

1062
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,480
room with him.
And it's.

1063
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Just what a great performance
man he's.

1064
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,640
Such a good actor man.
Like, and again, I feel like

1065
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,400
sometimes with old movies, you
know, they, they acted in a

1066
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,200
certain style.
A lot of these people had that

1067
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,840
transatlantic accent and there
was a very affected sort of.

1068
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,520
Don't you come after my boy,
Carrie.

1069
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,920
Kind of a hamminess to the way
people played movies back then.

1070
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,400
Jimmy Stewart, yes, he acted
like a person acting in the

1071
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,480
1950s acted, but the range is
incredible.

1072
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,040
I don't think he gets enough
credit for how dark he was

1073
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,520
willing to go his collaborations
with Hitchcock.

1074
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,560
Man, between this and Vertigo,
it's like my guy was really

1075
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,080
undermining his own public
persona to Plumb the depths of

1076
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,680
some weird stuff with Alfred
Hitchcock.

1077
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,240
Yeah, I mean, even in Rope, he's
supposedly playing this like

1078
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,000
left wing liberal, you know, the
Ubermensch can kill anybody he

1079
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,080
wants to person and he, like,
retracts it at the end.

1080
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,240
But like, yeah, Hitchcock
definitely takes it into some

1081
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:44,120
arenas that you would not expect
out of a very popular actor in

1082
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,960
the 40s and 50s.
All right, Brad, I don't mean to

1083
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,320
make you pick between our two
babies here in Vertigo and Rear

1084
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,680
Window.
I've been trying to think of a

1085
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,480
way to describe today.
And you know, my burger analogy,

1086
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,600
admittedly, was pretty good
analogy.

1087
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,520
That's a good one.
How does that not come across as

1088
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,240
condescending though?
Because, like, I think you know

1089
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,320
what I'm trying to get at.
Like, I know why people don't

1090
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,680
like Vertigo.
I know that it is not like as

1091
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:17,360
immediately satisfying as Rear
Window and I don't want to like,

1092
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,720
I never want to make someone
feel like I'm condescending to

1093
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,400
them and being like, you just
don't understand it, bro.

1094
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,280
But I also don't want to make it
sound like I'm I'm saying that

1095
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,960
Rear Window is a lesser movie
than Vertigo.

1096
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,600
I think they're just they're two
very different kinds of movies.

1097
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,680
And I kind of want you, Brad, as
like our resident man on a

1098
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,560
street, man on the street, to be
like, explain to me how you

1099
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,760
would describe why is Rear
Window so much more immediately

1100
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,000
satisfying than Vertigo?
And how would you kind of pitch

1101
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,280
both of these movies to someone
who hasn't seen them yet?

1102
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,760
I mean, at the end of the day,
Bob, like Rear Window is under 2

1103
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,200
hours, like hour, 45 hour, 50
minute movie.

1104
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,920
You have Grace Kelly, which is
an immediately available name to

1105
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,680
anybody watching movies.
And like, all you have to do is

1106
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,480
describe the plot.
And I think people are

1107
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,240
immediately hooked.
Like man with broken leg is

1108
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,200
creeping on his neighbors and
thinks he witnesses a murder.

1109
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,040
Everybody, you know, we talked
about this with action movies.

1110
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,680
Everybody knows the geography of
that movie, like relationally

1111
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,400
and emotionally.
They they know what they're in

1112
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:39,080
for.
Vertigo is a is a whole new

1113
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:45,680
level, like there's layers upon
layers of gaslighting and and

1114
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,760
the the the pacing of the movie
is so much slower.

1115
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,400
What what you're trying to get
away from this, you know,

1116
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,560
comparison and one feels more
Snooty to enjoy Bob.

1117
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Just embrace it, man.
Like like Vertigo is a snootier

1118
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,920
movie to enjoy.
Like the common person.

1119
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,840
The average person just isn't
going to like that movie as

1120
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,920
much.
And that doesn't say anything

1121
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,800
bad about the average person and
it doesn't say anything good

1122
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,800
about the the cinephile.
It just shows that some people

1123
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,240
have spent a lot more time
watching movies than others.

1124
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,200
Like that's OK.
Like I, you can't expect me to

1125
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,920
go out onto the pitcher's mound
and throw a 98 mile an hour

1126
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,600
fastball, right?
Like I haven't put the time in.

1127
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,080
I don't have the genetics.
It's just not quite there.

1128
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:39,680
And so I don't I don't know why
there's always this this, you

1129
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,480
know, heated arguments among
movie fans on who the real movie

1130
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,560
fan is, the person who can watch
a a French foreign film with,

1131
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,240
you know, no non diegetic music.
And it's just all this, you

1132
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,840
know, a more whatever who who
directed a more.

1133
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,960
Oh yeah, my French Hanukkah,
Yeah.

1134
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,160
Yeah, just because I don't like
Hanukkah films.

1135
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:11,760
That sounds bad.
I guess because I'm taken

1136
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,080
though.
Yeah, yeah, you.

1137
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,560
Get you get where I'm going?
But I think I think what I'm

1138
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,720
trying to say is like, it's
actually the opposite for me as

1139
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,200
a guy who's like, you know, the,
the cinephile, whatever of the

1140
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,680
group here is like, I don't want
people to think I'm Snooty.

1141
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,200
And I also think that there is
this, this there is this deep

1142
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,080
running emotion among the
general public.

1143
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,320
Film critics only watch 3 hour
Danish movies.

1144
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,160
You know what, maybe that is
true.

1145
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,880
But like every now and then you
come across a three hour Danish

1146
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,680
movie that's like, oh man, the
average person would like this

1147
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,840
three hour Danish movie.
And and you get to a point where

1148
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,440
it's like RRA movie from India
is worth watching.

1149
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,520
How do I watch that?
Tell somebody that like Anatomy

1150
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,240
of a Fall, the French film, you
know, set in a courtroom is

1151
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,760
super compelling to watch and
moves at a breakneck pace, and I

1152
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,600
think that.
Like pass, pass the glory.

1153
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,320
Yeah, like, like Vertigo is not
a fast moving film, but I also

1154
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,520
don't think that it's you have
to have a doctoral degree to

1155
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,160
understand what's going on in
that movie.

1156
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,480
It just requires a little bit
more.

1157
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,520
You got to marinate on that
movie more.

1158
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,600
And I don't think you have to
marinate on this one as much.

1159
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,440
This is much more like, you
know, Jurassic Park plays with

1160
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,640
ideas of man becoming God or
trying to become God.

1161
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,920
But like at the end of the day,
you can go see Jurassic Park and

1162
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,360
you're just you're more
enthralled by the roller coaster

1163
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,080
ride.
You can have a fun time at the

1164
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,800
movies being scared and then
leave on a high and go get

1165
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,720
dinner.
And I think that rear windows

1166
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,800
like that Vertigo is much more
like I watched this movie.

1167
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,600
It kind of like F me up a little
bit and three days later it's

1168
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,360
still lingering in my head and
I'm a little disturbed.

1169
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,400
And like, I think that's the
beauty of that movie.

1170
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,280
They're just trying to do 2
different things.

1171
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,080
And I think that's what's great
about movies is like they don't

1172
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,160
all have to accomplish their
purpose the exact same way.

1173
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,440
Bob, do you remember the film
critic in The Birdman?

1174
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Yeah, the theatre critic, right?
Yeah, yeah.

1175
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,400
Theatre critic in in Birdman.
The the key thing about that,

1176
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,640
that critic is that they are
cold and they are mean, right?

1177
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,400
Right.
Like, if you boil it down, I

1178
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,680
think all it takes for you not
to be Snooty is just to be

1179
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,920
enthusiastic and kind.
Generous, yeah.

1180
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,720
Yeah, like when you invite
somebody into a film, you know,

1181
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,760
I like that we're getting into a
a psychotherapy here.

1182
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:42,920
It's it's appropriate.
I am on your.

1183
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,920
Couch for a Hitchcock film.
I think that if you want to not

1184
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,640
be Snooty, don't be a Dick.
Yeah.

1185
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,800
And, like, I'm not saying that
you ever are, although you are.

1186
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,960
Yeah, sure.
What I am saying is I think that

1187
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:01,720
what turns people off about
Snooty cinephiles is the

1188
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,720
condescension of like, well, you
wouldn't get it.

1189
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,760
You wouldn't understand and and
like if you didn't like this.

1190
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:14,280
It means that your palate, your
taste, your life experience that

1191
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,160
has LED you to this point isn't
good enough to enjoy this film,

1192
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,240
right?
When all you need to do is be

1193
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,960
enthusiastic about the film and
kind about how people take it

1194
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,240
100% whether they love it or
whether they hated.

1195
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,319
It yeah.
And I think at the end of the

1196
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,960
day, that's that's what I want
to be is like, I think that

1197
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,479
anyone should feel qualified to
watch any movie at any time.

1198
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,479
Like don't ever let anybody talk
down to you and tell you, oh,

1199
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,760
you know what?
Rear windows, probably more your

1200
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,200
speed.
I don't know if you're ready for

1201
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,160
Vertigo yet.
Like, F that.

1202
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,600
Go watch Vertigo if you want to
now.

1203
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,960
Like, yeah, at the end of the
day, maybe you haven't seen

1204
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,720
enough old movies to appreciate
the pace of that, or maybe you

1205
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,279
haven't thought deeply about,
like, the psychology of that

1206
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,960
movie to appreciate it.
I'd rather you come back to me

1207
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:03,000
and say, like, hey, I watched
Rear Window and Vertigo.

1208
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:06,080
I liked Rear Window a lot more.
I don't know if Vertigo was

1209
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,160
quite my bag.
Then tell then to feel like I'm

1210
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,640
telling you you can't or
shouldn't watch a Vertigo

1211
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,680
because you're not sophisticated
enough.

1212
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,319
Like, at the end of the day,
we're talking about a Hollywood

1213
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:22,319
movie made by Alfred Hitchcock.
Like it's not an inaccessible

1214
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,359
movie and no one should ever
feel like a movie is off limits

1215
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,600
to them.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look at

1216
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,720
2001, A Space Odyssey, like
universally regarded as a top

1217
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,080
five film of all time by almost
all critics in the world.

1218
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:37,800
That movie sucks.
Bro.

1219
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,680
I did not like that film.
I still don't.

1220
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,760
I it was on Turner Classic
Movies like a month ago.

1221
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,920
I I tried it again.
I don't know why I keep doing

1222
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,439
it.
It's just it's not for me.

1223
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:52,080
Well made, not a great movie.
One day you will be the baby in

1224
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,600
space.
I'll be the old man.

1225
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,040
I'll understand.
Yeah, exactly.

1226
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,160
I get it.
All right, man, Let's give this

1227
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,120
movie.
Oh, you know what?

1228
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,480
No, let's not give this movie
final scores because we still

1229
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:04,760
have to get to our last segment
of the day, which we call let's

1230
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,040
make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1231
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,400
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1232
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,400
Let's pair another film with
this one.

1233
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,640
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1234
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,080
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1235
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,200
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1236
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,720
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1237
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,320
feature.
Brad, I think I will go with

1238
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,760
Shutter Island on this.
The more I think about it, I

1239
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,840
think that they are both like
Shutter Island is much more of a

1240
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,520
downer than this movie is.
But it is really sad, really,

1241
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,000
really fun to watch masters of
the craft in Hitchcock and

1242
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,920
Scorsese just completely go full
genre mode.

1243
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Like I am just going to make in
in, you know, Scorsese's case, a

1244
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,840
psychological thriller, in this
case a suspense murder film.

1245
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,520
And like, they just do that.
And because they're so good at

1246
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,840
making movies, it's like the
platonic ideal of that kind of

1247
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,960
movie.
And sometimes that's all you

1248
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,120
need.
Well, and you got All Star

1249
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,960
actors at the top of their game
in both films for their eras.

1250
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,520
Yeah, I I can imagine a very fun
evening.

1251
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,760
I personally would watch Shutter
Island first.

1252
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,640
I I would like to end with a
little bit more of an upper in

1253
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,840
rear window.
Bob.

1254
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,760
I think I'm going to pick my
let's make it a double base

1255
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,440
purely on two things, the
visuals of this film and the

1256
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:32,280
location of this film.
I'm going to pair this because I

1257
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,680
as I was watching it, all I
could think about was how bright

1258
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,160
the courtyard was and how many
colors you could see on screen.

1259
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,800
And I know you know where I'm
going right now, Bob, I'm

1260
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,280
pairing this with West Side
Story.

1261
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,360
One of my all time favorites,
Brad.

1262
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,040
Great pair.
Nothing, yeah, nothing makes

1263
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,800
sense about that pairing.
But if you were to watch them

1264
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,520
back-to-back, I think that,
like, the picture of what you're

1265
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,000
seeing on the screen of New York
City would just feel seamless,

1266
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,440
like they both feel like they
exist in the exact same world.

1267
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,120
Also notably a downer of a
movie.

1268
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,440
Yes with with weird sexual stuff
going on as.

1269
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:17,120
Well, yeah, man, this really is
a perfect pairing.

1270
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,360
Maybe it is a perfect.
Pairing.

1271
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,000
All right, so I picked Shutter
Island.

1272
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,520
Brad picks the original West
Side Story.

1273
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,560
It's time for us to give this
movie final scores and I don't

1274
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,080
think we have to waste much time
here.

1275
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,280
Brad, this is a. 10 1/2. 10 out
of 10 movie.

1276
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,520
Here's my question for you.
Like do you think we undervalue

1277
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,600
this movie sometimes because
it's not the quote UN quote deep

1278
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,400
movie?
Like, do you think sometimes we

1279
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:47,480
just downplay perfectly made
genre movies at the expense of

1280
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:49,720
like it didn't feel important
enough?

1281
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,200
Yes, I, I think we do.
I, I think that the reason and

1282
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,200
we talked about this like
there's a so many movies a few

1283
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,800
seasons back, we did Armageddon,
right.

1284
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,320
And I think I gave it, you gave
it like a 7 1/2.

1285
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,800
I gave it like an 88 and a half
maybe.

1286
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,160
And it like I said, like this is
the highest rated this film

1287
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,840
could be right, with the
limitations placed upon it.

1288
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,800
And I think that the limitations
placed upon this movie are one

1289
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,080
of the greatest directors of all
time and one of the greatest

1290
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,480
actors of all time and an
actress who became a literal

1291
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:30,480
Princess like.
So the limitation on this film

1292
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,640
is a 10 out of 10.
Does that?

1293
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,040
Like, is that a fair comparison?
I think so man and again I keep

1294
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,520
going back to my Shutter Island
thing.

1295
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,520
My hottest take on Shutter
Island is that I would rather

1296
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,600
watch that movie then most of
what Scorsese made after it.

1297
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,760
Like, I think Silence is really
good, but then The Irishman and

1298
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,400
Killers of the Flower Moon,
which are both considered like

1299
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,080
Scorsese masterpieces and
nominated for best picture.

1300
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,880
I think Shutter Island's a
better movie than both of them

1301
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,240
for this exact reason.
Like, it is a 10 out of 10 in

1302
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,960
terms of what that film could
it, it's the best version of

1303
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,920
that movie.
Whereas I think both The

1304
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,880
Irishman and Killers of the
Flower Moon could have both been

1305
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,440
better.
Like, whether they're more

1306
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,600
important is irrelevant in this
conversation.

1307
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,000
It's a perfectly made movie,
Brad.

1308
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,280
Marty, you hear him coming for
you.

1309
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,760
We invite you onto the podcast
to defend your films.

1310
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,000
And hear us praise your other
film.

1311
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,480
Yes.
All right, so it's 10s across

1312
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,840
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but we want to know what you

1313
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,680
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1314
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,920
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1315
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,440
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1316
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,760
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1317
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,200
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1318
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,600
So if you'd like to join the
conversation, you can find a

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link to the Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

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notes.
Next week we're back with our

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first listener Pic and Brad.
I don't know what it is yet, so

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TuneIn for a surprise next week,
but until then, I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.

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Music.