The Shawshank Redemption (1994) / Chivas Regal 12 Years Old Blended Scotch

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In 1994, director Frank Darabont
and star Tim Robbins gave the

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world a darkly hopeful picture
at what makes a life worth

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living.
In 2025, we try a blended Scotch

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with a royal background.
The film is Shawshank

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Redemption.
The whiskey is Shivas regal.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
And this week we are returning

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to 1994 and to the film The
Shawshank Redemption, apparently

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the greatest film ever made.
Brad.

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Yeah, absolutely.
IMDb is impeccable and

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unimpeachable in its selection
of top movies of all time.

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I remember when this became the
highest rated film on IMDb.

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And it's interesting because I
think for a little while it was

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The Godfather and then Shawshank
slowly worked its way up to #1

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And it has just stayed there
forever.

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And it's been really interesting
to see that this movie never

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ever, ever, ever falls out of
the number one position.

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Because I don't know anyone in
my real life, Brad, who would

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say that the greatest film ever
made is The Shawshank

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Redemption.
And so I've always wondered,

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like, is this a function of
like, everyone just thinks it's

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a nine and because it's a nine,
it's number one?

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I I just, I don't know man.
I think that's absolutely it

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because this isn't anybody's
favorite movie of all time, but

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I'll bet you it's a lot of
people's like fourth favorite

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movie of all time.
And it, it has such a wide

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appeal and it speaks to such a
key element to the human nature

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that that desire to have hope,
to believe in something beyond

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yourself, that I, it makes a lot
of sense to me why this is so

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highly regarded.
And I would say, watching it

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again this time, I think that
there's enough going on here

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from a technical standpoint that
even some of the cinephiles out

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there can go, you know, all
right, Like, Darabont at least

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knows what he's doing.
Oh yeah 100% this.

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The thing, though, is like, it's
almost more not infuriating but

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confusing to me because it is
such a good movie.

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But like, we're talking like
Citizen Kane levels of respect

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for this movie now.
Like once you start being named

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the greatest at anything, it
automatically invites not just

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criticism, but a new layer of
criticism.

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Like, you can't watch this movie
now without wondering why it's

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rated as the highest, you know,
the highest rated film of all

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time.
And I think that that's the big

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struggle for me.
And we'll get into talking about

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all this, folks.
Welcome into film and Whiskey.

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If this is your first time
joining us, we talk about

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movies, we talk about whiskey.
This season, what we're doing is

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we're throwing it back to season
#1 this is our 10th season on

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film and whiskey.
And we chose to commemorate that

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by revisiting all of our first
32 films and seeing if we can

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apply some some of the wisdom
that we've learned from the what

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almost 400 movies we've done
now.

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Brad.
A massive amount of movies and

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probably it was like what, 6
years ago now that we did it.

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So we've, we have had a lot of
intervene in time.

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We've had children, we've had
new jobs, that there is so much

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that has happened in our lives.
We survived A pandemic.

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There has been so much that
happened in our lives that I

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think it's worth a revisit to
see kind of where we're at to,

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you know, take a temperature
check on ourselves as well.

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That's true.
The movies have not changed, but

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we have Brad.
And you know, it's funny, I've

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gone back and listened to some
of our Season 1 episodes and did

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not do it for today because this
is a movie that I don't.

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I don't know if our opinions
have changed too, too much on

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this film, but our conversations
on the films from Season 1 I

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find have held up pretty well.
Like, I think we knew how to

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look at a movie and dissect it
even back then.

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What we're really doing is we're
revisiting these for the

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whiskeys, folks.
We didn't know what the hell we

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were talking about back in
Season 1, and it can barely be

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said that we know what we're
talking about now, but at least

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I feel more confident having had
as many whiskeys as we have.

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Yeah, I I am very, very certain
at what I lack knowledge in now,

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whereas before I just had no
idea.

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Yeah, exactly.
Well, on that note, maybe we

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should get into our first
segment of the day, throw it

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back to the movies a little bit
and talk.

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About we're just going to say,
let's go into the whiskey.

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Let's go to, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plot with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call Brad

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explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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That is never going to be the
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We all know this.
You know of?

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How many times have you seen
Shawshank, Brad?

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Honestly I have only seen it
maybe one time outside of for

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the podcast.
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Maybe twice, but yeah, so three
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The the one time I remember
watching it was at a girl I was

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dating in college.
I was at her parents house

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hanging out with them and her
dad had on Shawshank Classic and

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they were cussing up a storm
about something and I remember

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the mom walking in and go really
you guys are going to watch

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something with language like
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The dad just didn't say anything
and she looked at me and goes,

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you're studying to be a pastor.
Do you think this is OK for

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people to watch?
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How did you get, how did you get
gripped in with it wasn't even

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your choice.
Dude, 20 year old Brad was just

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kind of like, you know, I think
cussing is a part of life and

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she like walked away at a huff.
It was very memorable.

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And there's Brad explains Folks,
we don't even need to talk about

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the movie now.
All right, dude, you get 60

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seconds to break down the plot
of The Shawshank Redemption.

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Folks, if you haven't seen
Shawshank, where have you been?

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I mean, I, I feel like everyone
has seen this movie, whether

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it's on cable or YouTube Shorts
or actually in a theater.

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Brad 60 seconds and go.
Shawshank Redemption is a film

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about a man named Andy Dufresne,
which, First off, what a great

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name.
Like it's like simultaneously

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super down to earth.
Like it's just Andy, but his

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last name is just like, classy
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Andy Dufresne is framed for the
murder of his wife and her lover

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and is sent to Shawshank Prison
where he meets Read, played by

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the illustrious Morgan Freeman,
and they begin a decades long

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journey into friendship,
surviving the prison and slowly

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finding their way out of the
prison.

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Read through a parole release
and Andy through escaping the

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prison.
Eventually they find their way

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down to Mexico where they're
just two Bros sitting with their

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ass in the sand.
Bob.

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It basically becomes a Corona
commercial right there.

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Exactly.
You know, it kind of does.

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Also all I got to say is whoever
was cutting Andy's hair was

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doing a horrific job in Mexico
because he looked sharp when he

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was in prison and then it when
he's in Mexico he just kind of

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looks like he has like this 90s
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It is bad.
Well, Brad, in true film and

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whiskey fashion, let's throw out
whatever was planned today and

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let's talk about that because
the ending of this film is such

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an interesting historical
document.

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So at the end of the movie, you
know, as Brad said, Red gets

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paroled and he wants to make his
way down to Mexico, where he

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believes that Andy is.
Whether Andy made it, who has

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like, who, who knows?
So he's on this bus.

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He's going to this border town
in Texas, and the bus is rolling

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over these hills.
And you hear the Morgan Freeman

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narration about how I, I hope
that's the last line that Morgan

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Freeman says, which is a great
closing line because throughout

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the film, he's talked about how
you can't have hope in prison.

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Hope will kill you, Hope will
drain you and then leave you

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like his friend Brooks did.
And so for him to come 36 or I

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guess not 360, but 180 on hope,
It's a great character arc.

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And right then it faded out and
the credits rolled and they

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tested the movie, and the
audience was like, what the hell

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was that?
You just put us through 2 1/2

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hours of absolute hell inside a
prison, and you want to leave us

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on the cliffhanger of I hope
they're like, no, no, no, we

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have to see the reunion of these
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And so they very hastily found a
location that was supposed to be

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Mexico.
They threw these two guys on the

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beach, and they filmed those
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So yes, his haircut is entirely
different because that ending

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was not planned at all.
Yeah, dude, you got to have the

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catharsis.
What?

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What?
What is hope if it doesn't have

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catharsis to, you know, get you
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Exactly what is hope if not
seeing the payoff of your hope?

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Yeah, Americans, am I right?
Do you think the movie would

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have been as good, better, worse
if they would have faded out

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with the bus rolling over the
hills and him saying I hope?

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The storyteller in me wants to
say it's way better, like way

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better if it ends right there.
The person in me who like, wants

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to make money is like, yeah, you
got to give the people what they

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want.
But then nobody bought tickets

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to the movie.
So I, I don't know if they were

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proven right.
I, I think as a story, it works

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way better if you leave it on a
cliffhanger.

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Although I think I there was,
there would be parts of me that

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would be aggravated by that.
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I mean, I think the best we can
say about the ending is like, it

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certainly didn't hurt anything.
Like I don't I don't walk out of

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that movie being like, oh, I
wish they hadn't shown me the

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two of them on the beach.
Like it clearly works.

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And I think that that's that's
about the best you can say is

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this tacked on ending still
helps the movie.

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And I think Darabont does a
great job of allowing the

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narration to end.
And it's almost as if Freeman

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has been narrating this whole
story to somebody else sitting

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on the bus, Like, almost like a
like a Forrest Gump type of

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narration.
I see it more as like a Brooks

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type letter, like he wrote the
letter back to the guys at

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Shawshank, you know?
Sure.

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Yeah, 100%.
I what I now wish would have

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happened was that you get to the
end and it's Morgan Freeman

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talking to Tom Hanks, telling
him the story of their Diamond

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Shawshank.
Red did become my best good

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friend on that their bus ride.
I know that we just recently

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rewatched Forrest Gump, but the
moment in Forrest Gump where he

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looks at that poor woman and
asks was it an all girls school

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or a boys and girls together
school and she gets one word in

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edgewise and then Forrest just
is back off to the races on his

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story.
Worst active listener of all

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time?
Forrest Gump.

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Oh, man, I, I think that
Derrabot does a great job that

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once the narration ends, he just
lets the scene happen.

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There's like, you don't need
anything else.

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You just need to see the two men
hug and know the friendship that

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they have together.
And he allows that to be it.

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So even if it's an ending you
and I might not have like, pined

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for, I think Durban continues to
show his directing chops and he

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absolutely lands the plane so,
so well.

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Yeah, totally agree, man.
All right, let's get into

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talking about the movie itself.
And and Brad, I want you to help

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me be my psychiatrist today.
Let me lay upon your couch and

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dissect what is it about this
movie that like, I think I'm

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just overthinking the movie, but
there's something about watching

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this movie where like at
simultaneously I'm like, wow,

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this is a really good movie and
everything in it is working

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really well.
But I have this nagging feeling

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in the back of my mind that's
like, it's almost like if if you

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were in like a screen writing
class and they were teaching you

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like how to write a perfect
scene mechanically.

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Every scene in this movie feels
like that.

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And I think that like you walk
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like, it is a perfect movie
because it did all the perfect

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things perfectly, or where I'm
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like I recognize that it all
clicks and it all works really

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well.
But it it felt more like I was

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watching an an exercise in quote
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movie.
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gets me and I am emotionally
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almost see like the mechanically

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stamped out movie that you're
making here.

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I don't know if that makes
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I'm at with this movie.
Oh at 100% makes sense.

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I, I remember a while back in
the, in the world of like famous

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preachers, Andy Stanley is known
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technically brilliant preachers.
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never actually, I've heard him
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leadership stuff.
I've never actually just heard

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him preach.
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sermon of his and it was like 22
minutes and it was the most

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perfect sermon I had ever, ever
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And I didn't like it because it
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mechanical.
And, and, and it's not even like

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his voice was mechanical, but
like the way he hit the

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emotional beats of every point
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Like he just knew exactly what
he needed to do to draw the

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exact right emotions out at the
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And I walked away going like, Oh
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that.
I, I, I want my preachers to be

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like normal human beings, not
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from the stage.
And does that kind of capture

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what you're saying here?
100% I just don't know if anyone

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else feels that way about this
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Oh yeah, no, they don't.
When I look at this movie, I'm

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like, I should think this is a
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And I, I kind of just go back
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1/2 or a nine for me?
And, and I don't know why,

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because everything about it is
good and it works really well

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and it gets you to where you
need to go and it does it

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efficiently.
I just don't know why it feels

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like, you know, if you're
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and they're, you know, anytime
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processed foods, like or like a
cookie cutter or something

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that's made in a factory, like
this movie feels like it was

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made in the perfect movie
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And maybe it's because I can't
see like the the humans at work

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behind it that it feels almost
like robotically perfect to me.

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I I think for me, the the thing
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the relationship between Freeman
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Like I, I think that they
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yes, that that is sorry, Tim
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I think that the relationship
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just, they have so much on
screen chemistry that while all

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of the secondary characters in
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fine, really good secondary
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relationship between them that
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script delivering really great
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And for me, that's the thing
that like bumps this movie up

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into that 9/9 and 1/2 category.
It sounds like we're like

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previewing our final scores,
which we might be.

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I guess for me, I think what you
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It's not that this is the
perfect movie, it's just that

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nobody can ever find any, like,
real flaws with it.

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And it's really enjoyable.
Yeah, like that, like Citizen

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Kane, you can't find any flaws
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And you and I find it enjoyable.
But there's a lot of people who

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might not find that style of
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It's hard to imagine a human
being in America who would not

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just have fun with this movie,
would not enjoy the the journey

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that it takes them on.
Yeah, All right.

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Well, maybe let's talk about,
like, the stuff in the movie

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that really works.
Well, then I I don't want to

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just spend all day trying to
figure out why I have a gripe

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with this movie, because a lot
of it does work really, really

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well.
Tim Robbins is very good in this

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movie.
I actually think that my

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favorite version of Tim Robbins
is either like super cool, calm,

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collected, like when he's
kicking back while the opera's

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playing or when he's
impersonating the made-up guy

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when he's in the bank at the end
of the movie and he's about to

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get all his money.
He looks he's fantastic in that

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kind of role.
He's also really good when he's

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like completely unhinged from
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And after he comes out of the
hole for two months and he's

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just sitting in the yard with
Red and they're you think he's

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going to go kill himself.
Like that's the way the movie's

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going.
But right before his prison

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break and he seems like he has
completely lost touch with all

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reality.
It has shades of his character

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from Mystic River and I think
Tim Robbins is so good at

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playing Unhinged that those are
my two favorite dynamics of the

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Andy Dufrane character for sure.
Easily, Andy Dufrane as a

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character starts in one place as
being cold and prickly and

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unreadable and ends in a place
of being like, warm and prickly

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and unreadable.
And like, you can just tell

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that, like, Red is the only
person who really understands

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him.
And even he is like, I don't

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quite know what this guy is
going to do next.

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But I, it's like a car crash.
Like I I can't turn away and

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watch anything else.
Those are honestly like some of

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my favorite moments in the movie
too, because I don't want to say

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the movie gets predictable
because I think we've all seen

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it so many Times Now that we
just know what's coming.

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But there are beats in Andy's
character where you don't

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understand why he's doing what
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Like the opera thing, every now
and then he just gets this

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impulse to like, it's not even
sticking it to the man.

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He wants to experience the
feeling of life and freedom

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again.
And out of nowhere, he'll just

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decide, like, it's totally worth
it for me to get thrown into

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solitary to do this thing.
It it doesn't really advance the

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plot of the movie much.
It's a nice moment, but those

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are some of my favorite Andy
Dufresne moments because he's

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acting in an illogical way and
that's when he's at his most

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human.
Exactly.

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And that's the beauty of a
character breaking character, if

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you will.
You know, if you're, if you're

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writing somebody, it's always
attractive to have a character

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who's disciplined and
intelligent and principled and

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knows who they are.
But it's those little moments

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where life breaks in and the joy
of just being alive shines

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through.
And you understand that for

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them, life is about more than
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It's about living life to the
fullest.

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It's about listening to opera in
the middle of a prison and

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making, you know, 500 prisoners
listen with you.

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It's just those moments bring so
much life and beauty, not just

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into the, the story, but to the
viewer as well.

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I, I, I think it's reasons like
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widely popular.
All right, let's talk a little

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bit about Morgan Freeman because
no disrespect to Tim Robbins,

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but like, Morgan Freeman is
really the star of this movie.

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Like, this is the movie that
makes Morgan Freeman become

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Morgan Freeman.
So he's nominated for best actor

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for this movie.
Obviously well deserved.

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There's not a lot we can really
say that's going to be novel

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here.
I didn't remember how much heavy

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lifting he had to do in some of
these scenes, though.

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Like there are a few scenes in
this movie where the writing is

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really quite bad and like soap
opera esque.

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The scene right after Brooks
kills himself when they've

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finished reading the letter.
And you know, the one guy's

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like, I don't understand what
institutionalized means.

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What are you talking about?
And and he, he goes on his

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little soliloquy about like
these walls.

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They'll get you like he it, it's
really bad writing, dude.

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And yet it's Morgan Freeman.
So you're just like, yes, this

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is how someone would talk in the
real world because Morgan

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Freeman has convinced me that
that's how someone would talk in

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the real world.
It's it's a pretty revelatory

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performance.
It's also, I think one of my

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favorite things about the movie
is the way Freeman walks around

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the prison like he is the son
and everyone else orbits around

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him like he he talks about Andy
Dufrane.

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Like one of the reasons why I
like him is because he he just

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walks around like he owns the
place.

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And I, I think the unsaid
quality is I respect Andy

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because I also live my life like
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And the, the way that Morgan
Freeman just so casually walks

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around, you feel that sense of
gravitas and weight that he

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carries of knowing that he is
going to be in this prison his

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entire life, so he might as well
make it his home.

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And, and Andy kind of portrays
the, you know, if, if that is,

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if it's a yin and Yang type of
proposal and, and Red offers us

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the negative half and he offers
us the positive half of like

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this prison isn't my world and
I'm going to live as if it is

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not.
And it's just cool to see the 2

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characters kind of not clash,
but as they become friends, you

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see that the motivation for how
they walk around the prison and

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interact with the other
prisoners is very different,

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even though it leads them to
similar external factors between

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themselves and others.
All right, let's walk down the

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cast list a little bit here,
because I really want to spend

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time talking about Bob Gunton as
the warden.

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I remember the warden.
Obviously he's like the main,

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the the chief antagonist of the
film.

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I didn't remember how good of a
performance it was.

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It is like.
Dude.

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Lights.
It might be my favorite

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performance in the whole movie
because it is a you could go

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like full Jeremy Irons in Lion
King scar level scenery chewing

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if you wanted to.
And he indulges himself in

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chewing some scenery a little
bit, but it's not over the top.

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And I think the moment that it
really clicked for me what a

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great performance it was is
after they shoot Tommy and they

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come, he comes down to visit him
when he's in solitary and Tim

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Robbins is like riding around on
the ground and he comes in and

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he starts talking.
He threatening him basically

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like you do that ever again,
like I will cast you down with

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the sodomites.
And he starts like enumerating

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all these things that will
happen to him and he says like,

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are you getting me now?
And then his complete like it

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just a complete transformation
of his countenance into or am I

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being obtuse?
And I was like, Oh my God, like

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this is this is the greatest
screen performance I've ever

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seen.
It's so good, Brad.

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Dude, I one of my key takeaways
from this viewing.

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He's one of the best villains
we've seen in a movie ever.

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Like he is up there with like a
Nurse Ratchet type of villainy

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and just so freaking menacing
and evil.

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And I just couldn't get this
thought out of my head of like

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how much power he projects every
moment that he is on screen in

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the movie.
And how a man with so much power

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would never expect that he would
be betrayed because he he runs

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his own little world.
Like he feels like he is the God

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of this place and that nobody
could ever get one over on him.

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And because of that, somebody
like Andy Dufresne is able to do

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just that.
But man, what a great villain

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and an incredible performance.
And then on the other hand,

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you've got like every other
character in the movie who is

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just a, a cookie cutter
supporting person in a cast of

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characters.
And they all do quite well.

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Like I, I really love William
Sadler in this movie.

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He's really, really good.
Clancy Brown is, I think, an

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interesting character, you know,
as the, the muscle behind the

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warden.
Like, you know, I don't really

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think anybody else in this movie
stands out to me, Brad, But

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please, you have the floor if
you'd like to call out anyone

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else's performance.
Brian Libby as Floyd was just

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stunningly good.
Job Who could forget Floyd do.

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Do you remember who Floyd was?
I do actually 'cause he looks

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like there's a singer named Tom
Waits who acts in some music.

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He.
Does look like.

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00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,360
Tom Waits.
Yeah.

445
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,280
So I was like, oh, is that
actually Tom Waits?

446
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,520
It's not.
It's Floyd.

447
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760
If there is one person that we
should talk about, and I'm sorry

448
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,360
for cutting you off because I I
need to correct myself

449
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,760
immediately.
It is James Whitmore as Brooks.

450
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,600
Oh yeah.
Quite frankly the best 5 minutes

451
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
of this movie are the the Brooks
subplot after he gets out of

452
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,520
prison.
It is crushing and heartbreaking

453
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600
and it is the like this movie
makes me cry at a couple

454
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880
different points.
No more so is it earned than in

455
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,960
that Brooks montage.
Dude it like the the voice over

456
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,240
work that he does there.
Unbelievable.

457
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
The score by Thomas Newman,
Unbelievable.

458
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Like I I really think that if
we're just talking who has the

459
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960
best 5 minutes in this movie,
it's James Whitmore.

460
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,640
Which is impressive in a movie
that has Morgan Freeman

461
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,360
narrating, right?
Yeah.

462
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,880
Whitmore knocks it out of the
park with his role.

463
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,120
I I think what makes him such a
compelling figure is that you

464
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,040
don't really know what got him
into prison, But it's one of

465
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:49,040
those performances where you're
like, I, he plays a character

466
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,280
that you just don't know how he
could be in prison and you want

467
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,360
him to have freedom, but you
don't like realize until he gets

468
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,720
it and you get to watch him have
freedom, that his freedom is

469
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,560
going to cost him everything.
And it's just such a well

470
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,320
written character, a well
portrayed character.

471
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,560
I, I'm absolutely with you,
dude.

472
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,000
He he is incredible in this
movie.

473
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Well, and then you got the great
Lion after they finished reading

474
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,640
his letter where Morgan Freeman
just says he should have died in

475
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,920
here.
And that's honestly, that's one

476
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,160
of my favorite moments of
writing in the film because it's

477
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,200
underwritten, like, or you know,
not underdeveloped, but like

478
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520
they don't go over the top.
No one's grandstanding.

479
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600
Like you understand what he
means by that.

480
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,640
It's like this is where his
family is.

481
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,200
This is where he was
appreciated.

482
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,560
This is where he was respected.
This was his home.

483
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,080
He should have been in here to
die.

484
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000
It's man, there are moments in
this movie, Brad, where I'm

485
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,480
like, this is a truly, truly
great film.

486
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Yeah, and I, I think one of the
reasons is because they do such

487
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,360
a great job of like building up
Red's little collection of

488
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,680
people, of inmates as a family.
Like, they all have their roles.

489
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,040
They all have different elements
that they add to the group, but

490
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,360
by the end of the film you
understand why it would be so

491
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,760
hard for Red or Brooks to leave
because they truly do have a

492
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000
community.
And the the saddest part for me

493
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,280
is after Andy escapes, there's
that scene where they're sitting

494
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,800
in the mess hall eating their
food, talking about Andy and it

495
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,440
the way they do it, it's almost
like this nostalgic, my kid went

496
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,880
off to college, but I'm never
going to see them again type of

497
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480
conversation.
And it it's like it's supposed

498
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,920
to be heart warming, I think.
But for me, it was almost

499
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,240
heartbreaking, the idea that
these men would lose a member of

500
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,920
their family.
All right, man, I think this is

501
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,320
a good spot for us to hit pause
because there's there's just so

502
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,760
much to talk about with this
movie.

503
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,120
It's a great movie.
At points.

504
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,720
It's a movie that still
frustrates me.

505
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Let's press pause here.
Let's go drink some cheap

506
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Scotch.
What do you say?

507
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,600
I am ready.
Let's do it.

508
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,600
All right, so today we are
checking out Shivas Regal. 12

509
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,200
years old now.
I have not tried Shivas Regal

510
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Brad since season #1 I cannot
honestly say that I've ever gone

511
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,280
back to this bottle of whiskey.
You don't just regularly keep a

512
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,080
bottle on yourself, Bob.
I do not.

513
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,440
So apparently I'm on a couple
different websites trying to

514
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,880
learn about this blend of
whiskeys.

515
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Because this is a blended Scotch
whiskey.

516
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,880
It is 12 year age stated and
that actually means that all of

517
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,520
the scotches in here are at
least 12 years old.

518
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,920
It looks like they're all
actually like right at 12 years

519
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,600
old.
So I, I see a list of a couple

520
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
different distilleries whose
whiskeys go into this blend.

521
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,600
We don't need to name them all,
but there's definitely some

522
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,320
space sides in here, Brad.
And you and I really like space

523
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,000
side Scotch because it has, I
don't know, more of a floral

524
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,880
kind of light, breezy flavor
profile to it than a lot of

525
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,520
other scotches do.
And we can jump right into this,

526
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,880
man.
This is a cheap Scotch.

527
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,640
It is 80 proof, right?
Yep, 80 proof, 40% A/B VI.

528
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Don't think we need to give it
any more introduction.

529
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,640
I said everything about the
space side because you can

530
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,440
immediately pick up some of
those space side notes on the

531
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
nose here, Brad.
Yeah, for sure.

532
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040
This is like nice and fruity for
me.

533
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,800
It was like a dark cherry.
There's honey, there's a little

534
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,160
bit of orange zest.
It gets a tiny bit cinnamon E

535
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,600
for for me.
It's got really nice things here

536
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,280
on the nose.
For a cheap blended Scotch, I am

537
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,800
quite impressed.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 on the

538
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,840
nose.
So outside of this episode,

539
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,040
we've been recording other
episodes recently and Brad and I

540
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,600
just tried a couple pretty
distinct space side scotches.

541
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960
And what's funny is that like if
you had just given all three of

542
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,600
them to me and a blind tasting,
I don't know that I would peg

543
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,560
this as being like cheaper than
the other two.

544
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,120
Usually with cheap whiskeys, we
can kind of tell there's like

545
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,600
some sort of astringency there.
Like there's a little bit here.

546
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,920
And I think for me, it comes
across more as like a cigarette

547
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,960
ash type note on this.
But it doesn't seem like way out

548
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,200
of the realm of possibility that
this would be like a $50 space

549
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320
side Scotch.
I get melon.

550
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Like I definitely get like
honeydew on this.

551
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880
I get a lot of just like bright
apple juice and something like

552
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,760
cheap sparkling wine.
But I got chocolate shavings on

553
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,240
this.
I get a lot of vanilla.

554
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,400
It's just a really, really
pleasant nose.

555
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,400
I'm going to give it a 7.5 Brad.
Yeah, the the palate is really,

556
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,320
really nice.
It's got like a almost like a

557
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,680
hazelnut praline vibe.
There is some pepper spice going

558
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,320
on, a little bit of that
cinnamon.

559
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,880
It's it's quite creamy and
they're the honey is there.

560
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,240
The fruitiness kind of drops off
a little bit for me and almost

561
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,840
feels a little bit smoky.
I, I like this a lot.

562
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,640
It's not anything that's going
to like blow me away, but it's

563
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480
another 7 1/2 for me.
Do you think that this would

564
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,640
fare better in a blind?
Like if we didn't know this was

565
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Shivas and we were just trying
this, like do you think that

566
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,120
we're kind of keep we keep
coming back to like, oh, it's

567
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,760
good for a cheap whiskey.
I wonder if it would actually do

568
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,840
better if if we had no idea how
much it cost or what the brand

569
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,960
was A. 100% I I think that this
would do extraordinarily well in

570
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
a blind and I I actually have a
friend who enjoys a good a good

571
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,800
blind experience.
I might just set this up for him

572
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,080
at some point and see see where
he is at on it.

573
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,000
Now with all that said, I'm with
Brad.

574
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,960
This is not like knocking your
socks off, but it is super

575
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,040
solid.
It does tip a little bit into

576
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,760
that sort of like ashtray taste
at the very back end for me that

577
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,720
the the fruitiness fades away,
but it doesn't get super bitter

578
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,360
and the smoke like a PD type
smoke kind of takes over at the

579
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,360
very end, which saves it from
tasting like an ashtray.

580
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,400
So I really appreciated that.
There is an interesting note,

581
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,400
Brad, that I almost get like a
waxiness on my tongue after

582
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
drinking this, which is
something that doesn't typically

583
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,880
happen.
So I'm interested to see like

584
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,239
what that leads to on our next
few scores.

585
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,080
But once again I'm going to give
this a 7.5 on the taste.

586
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,800
I think the finish is where you
start to see the 80 proof nature

587
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,920
come through.
It's decently watery it it

588
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,239
doesn't last super long.
The the predominant notes are

589
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,080
like barley and honey.
A lot of the nice things that

590
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,560
you had on the nose in the
palate somewhat dissipate at the

591
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719
end.
Still though, like it is overall

592
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,400
a pleasant finish, above
average.

593
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,239
At the very least, I'll give it
a 7 out of 10 on the finish.

594
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,400
Yeah, I'm in a pretty similar
spot man.

595
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,480
It's it's very thin on the mouth
feel For me the 80 proofness was

596
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,880
present right at the tip of my
tongue, but you get it as well

597
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,280
at the back end.
I don't know that this would

598
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
make a great mixer.
I actually think it's better as

599
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,240
a sipping whiskey, but just a
really low proof one that has

600
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,600
nothing to do with the finish.
But I'm going to give it a 7 out

601
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,560
of 10 on the finish.
I'm going to come all the way up

602
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,080
to an 8 out of 10 on the
balance.

603
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,400
I think this is actually a very
well blended whiskey and not

604
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,800
just that it's mass produced,
not just that it's 80 proof, but

605
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,880
like no caveats to that.
It is a really well blended

606
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Scotch.
I'm an 8 out of 10 on the

607
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,600
balance.
I'm right there with you 8 out

608
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,320
of 10.
I think they're doing an

609
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,920
incredible job with the whiskeys
they have of putting them

610
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,760
together to get a really nice
flavor profile.

611
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,880
Now when it comes to value, Bob,
in the state of Ohio, the

612
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:51,320
illustrious, beautiful state of
Ohio, you will spend $30 on 1/5

613
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
of this whiskey. 10 out of 10,
dude.

614
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,120
Like not.
I'm not even going to think

615
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,000
about that.
That's $30.

616
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,440
Really.
Yeah, this is $30.

617
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,640
Yeah, dude, this is a 10 out of
10.

618
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,720
I I'm.
Pretty close with you.

619
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,240
I don't know if I'm quite at 10
out of 10, if only because like

620
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,640
monkey shoulder exists and I
think that that's also a

621
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
phenomenal value.
I'll give it a nine out of 10

622
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,920
though.
I like I think this is a

623
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,360
insanely good value at the price
for what you are drinking.

624
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,800
Yeah, I do think Monkey Shoulder
is better than this.

625
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,240
And Monkey Shoulder, I think
both has more of like a Highland

626
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,080
Scotch spiciness to it and also
a sweeter finish than this.

627
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,720
But if you can't find Monkey
Shoulder, you can definitely

628
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,480
find Shivas.
And it's also going to be like 5

629
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
to $7.00 cheaper it sounds like
than a bottle of Monkey

630
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Shoulder.
So absolutely no reservations

631
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,320
recommending this.
Brad, I'm actually coming out to

632
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,760
a 40 out of 50 on this.
I am one point behind you. 39

633
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,960
out of 50.
Dude, you know what I mean?

634
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Like I if some bro on the
Internet saw that we gave Shivas

635
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Regal a 40 out of 50, like I I
feel like I could be bullied

636
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
into lowering my score, but then
having you right behind me with

637
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600
a 39, it's like, no, actually,
yeah, this is damn good for a

638
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,280
$30 whiskey.
Yes 100% do not buy it at the

639
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,440
bar because you might as well
just spend $30 instead of like 3

640
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,240
or 4 and get a whole bottle.
We're at a 39.5 out of 50 on

641
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,600
average.
This is again a a no brainer

642
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,480
recommendation.
Brad, if you had to put this in

643
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,480
your like cheap whiskey
pantheon, like where, where are

644
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,200
we at?
Let let me, let's say it this

645
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,160
way, I gave you $100.
You can only buy X number of

646
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,280
bottles with your $100 and they
have to all be cheap whiskeys.

647
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,800
Would this make the cut?
Oh, it would probably be this or

648
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,920
monkey shoulder just because I
don't know if I'd want to double

649
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,760
up.
But I do know that I like Scotch

650
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,920
and I probably would buy both.
Monkey Shoulder I just found is

651
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,600
$32 in the state of Ohio, so
very similarly priced.

652
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,120
I would probably buy this and
Monkey Shoulder and then go buy

653
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,840
2 bottles of Rebel 100.
And be happy and just be done

654
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,760
with it.
I love it, man.

655
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about Shawshank

656
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Redemption.
What do you say?

657
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:26,840
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

658
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:33,960
That was Chivas Regal 12 year, a
Scotch that we just absolutely

659
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,560
loved.
Bob.

660
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,280
I'm a big fan.
This like a very pleasant

661
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,000
surprise.
Yeah, that you only spent $30

662
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,840
on, which is insane.
In fact, I spent $2.00 on it

663
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,200
because I bought myself and you
a $1.50 MLC dude.

664
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,640
That is, that is the best.
That's what we really should

665
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,120
have recommended.
Don't try it at the bar for

666
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,120
five.
Dollars.

667
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Yeah, go buy a $1.00 plastic
bottle of it and down it.

668
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
The microplastics are really
what make it taste good I think.

669
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,280
Yeah, I mean, it's like
microplastics and MSG.

670
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,040
It is easily the greatest two
things in the world.

671
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Oh man.
Hey, you know what else is one

672
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:16,760
of the greatest things in the
world?

673
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Oh, what's that, Bob?
2 facts and a falsehood.

674
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,640
It is going to try to stump your
ball. 2 are right and what is

675
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,920
wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

676
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

677
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,360
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

678
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,240
which is a complete lie.
Brad, we're recording this

679
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,080
entire season out of order, so I
have no idea how I'm doing.

680
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,920
And two facts and a falsehood.
But in true Andy Dufresne

681
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,440
fashion, I'm going to hope I'm
going to say I'm doing quite

682
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
well this season.
I think you're doing amazing,

683
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,760
Bob.
Thank you.

684
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Thank you so much, Sir.
Brad hit me with those two facts

685
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,720
and a falsehood.
Fact #1 The small bird in

686
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,480
Brooke's pocket is not actually
a crow as seen later in the

687
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,040
film, but a common grackle.
The common grackle is not

688
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,760
actually found in Maine, where
the movie is set, but located

689
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,720
primarily in the Midwest.
A common grackle, as usually my

690
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,360
insult of choice for you, ah.
Yes, it's it's a very good one

691
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:28,000
for those born in Ohio.
That's true fact #2 in the close

692
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,440
up of Andy's hands loading the
revolver in the opening scenes,

693
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,280
the hands are actually those of
director Frank Darabont.

694
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,040
Later in the film, when Andy
carves his name into the cell

695
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,080
wall, Darabont's hands are used
again for the insert shot.

696
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,200
The close-ups were filmed during
post production, notably because

697
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Darabont felt that only he could
do exactly what he wanted in the

698
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,200
close-ups.
Wouldn't it be funny if he used

699
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,480
his hands for every characters?
Like for Morgan Freeman doing

700
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,440
stuff.
Oh that's like the best line in

701
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,240
the movie is when he goes.
Must be because I'm Irish.

702
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,000
Then they show an insert shot of
Terre.

703
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Von's hands.
Fact #3 The opera song that Andy

704
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,720
Dufrane plays over the loud
speakers is consonetta Solaria

705
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,480
from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's
The Marriage of Figaro.

706
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Originally, Andy was supposed to
shut down the music as ordered

707
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,800
by the warden.
It was Tim Robin's idea for Andy

708
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,480
to actually turn up the volume
of the record player in the

709
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:39,880
scene.
Well, 3 sounds pretty true.

710
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,920
One sounded pretty true.
What was number 20?

711
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,200
The Frank Darabont's hands.
Yes.

712
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,760
One did sound pretty true, but I
have no idea what a grackle is.

713
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Brad, you could just be made
that sounds like a made-up word.

714
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480
A grackle?
I have no idea.

715
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Look up the common grackle Bob.
It's it's I.

716
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,720
Will I actually will right now.
Thank you very much.

717
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,800
OK.
Not to be confused with with its

718
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680
cousin, the aristocratic
grackle.

719
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,040
All right, I've looked at the
grackle.

720
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Part of me wants to say that's
the falsehood because this thing

721
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,400
has a blue head and I don't
remember that thing in the

722
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,360
pocket having a a blue head.
I'm going to say for now that

723
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,280
number 2 is the falsehood, but I
will not be surprised if the

724
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,000
grackle gets me today, man.
The Grackle 100% got you.

725
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Oh, the grackle.
I'm surprised you knew what a

726
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,160
grackle was.
Well, I specifically had birds

727
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,360
flying around my backyard and I
was like, man, what the heck is

728
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,320
that bird with the blue head in
my backyard?

729
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,160
And I looked it up and it's the
common grackle.

730
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,440
And I've been holding on to that
little fact, that little tidbit,

731
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,480
ever since.
I just love the common grackle.

732
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,280
Like you couldn't just call it a
grackle.

733
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,040
Yeah, no, it's not a grackle,
it's a common.

734
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,840
The common grackle.
The riffraff of grackles.

735
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,200
You know the the Cardinals are
running the nomenclature of the

736
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,840
bird realm and they've they've
had a feud with the Grackle

737
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,760
family for quite some years now.
All right, the freaking grackle

738
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120
got me, man.
We should talk a little bit

739
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,480
about the Ohio of this movie.
So the film was mostly made at

740
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,120
the former Mansfield
Penitentiary in Mansfield, OH.

741
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,880
And if you know anything about
Mansfield, it is in the middle

742
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,120
of nowhere.
There is not much around.

743
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,560
I've always wondered when they
made this movie, like, where did

744
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,480
they stay?
Did they stay in Columbus?

745
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,440
Did they stay like closer up
towards like Akron, where I

746
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,240
live?
Because, you know, they didn't

747
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,960
stay in Mansfield.
Like there's nowhere to stay

748
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,480
unless they were living in a
motel.

749
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
Mansfield is a nice town.
Bob.

750
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
That is so rude.
I'm not trying to be mean.

751
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,320
It's it's a town.
It is definitely a town.

752
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Oh no, Mansfield's.
Mansfield's bigger than a town.

753
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:08,520
It it's like a hillbilly Akron.
Not to be confused with meth

754
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,000
Akron, which is just Akron.
I thought that was harbored.

755
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,320
This is hillbilly.
Akron No, but but see Mansfield

756
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,320
has now made itself like the
tourism capital of like all

757
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,280
things Shawshank.
They they still have the

758
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,920
penitentiary open all the time
for tours.

759
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,400
They had a big 30th anniversary
thing a couple years ago for the

760
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,080
movie at a theater in Mansfield.
Most of the cast came like it's

761
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,320
a big deal to the folks of
Mansfield.

762
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,400
I just thought, I've always
wondered, like, do they

763
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,320
understand that the reason that
Mansfield Reformatory was chosen

764
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,080
is that it looked old and
dilapidated and like they've

765
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,640
kept it in the same shape it was
in the movie, and so it's still

766
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,800
old and dilapidated.
I don't really know like.

767
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,400
You gotta you gotta take what
you can get.

768
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,360
I listen.
I live less than an hour away

769
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,920
from there like I have never
been to the reformatory.

770
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,720
I have no desire to go tour the
reformatory do.

771
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000
You yeah, I know.
I, I feel like my dad at some

772
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,280
point took like a little
motorcycle trip around the, like

773
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,760
the country, not the whole
country, but the country area of

774
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,840
Medina and you know, Ashland and
ended up in Mansfield and did

775
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
the tour because he likes stuff
like that.

776
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,800
I'm, I'm just, I'll have you
know that the population of

777
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,760
Mansfield, OH was 52,000 people
in 1994.

778
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,480
So bustling metropolis of the of
the countryside, if you will.

779
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,760
Listen, at the end of the day
they made a great movie less

780
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,280
than an hour away from where I
live.

781
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,600
It is just hilarious though
because like if all you've ever

782
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,040
seen of Ohio is Mansfield, like
you would think that Ohio is

783
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,560
very different than what it
actually is.

784
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,280
It kind of feels like when they
set what, what was that

785
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:01,080
television show about, about pop
kids, about choir kids that was

786
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,520
set in Ohio?
Yeah.

787
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,880
Yeah, Glee was set in, like,
Lima or Xenia.

788
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,360
OH, and I'm just kind of like, I
don't know if the people who

789
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,200
made the show have ever been
there.

790
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160
This is not what northwestern
Ohio looks like.

791
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Not, not, not even a little bit,
man.

792
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,840
OK, Brad, let's talk a little
bit more about the movie itself,

793
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,640
and I'd like to kind of turn it
over to you.

794
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,880
There's a lot of great things
going on in this movie.

795
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,520
There are some obviously killer
scenes in the in the film,

796
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,400
memorable moments.
I don't really know.

797
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Like, do we need to be on record
talking about every one of them?

798
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,240
Everyone's seen Shawshank,
everyone has an opinion.

799
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Where should we go from here?
I I'm actually kind of curious,

800
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,840
do you think that there is a
single person who will listen to

801
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,840
this episode that has not seen
Shawshank?

802
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Like truly, do you think there's
a single person 100% of our

803
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,160
audience has seen this movie
before listening to this?

804
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,360
Episode.
I'm going to say yes, I'm going,

805
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,920
I'm going out on a limb.
I'm going to say yes.

806
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,240
Although in fact, I, I am always
surprised I get texts from

807
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,680
people or like messages on our
website page that say like, Hey,

808
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,760
I listen, I watched this movie
for the first time after I

809
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,440
listened to your episode about
it because you guys praised it

810
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,120
so much.
And first of all, thank you so

811
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,480
much.
Like that means a whole lot to

812
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,080
us.
Also like I I'm shocked people

813
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040
listen to a whole episode of a
movie they haven't seen.

814
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Where where in we spoil the
movie?

815
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Yeah, so, Bob, it must be our
sparkling personality.

816
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,200
It has to be man.
That or the whiskey, the Shivas.

817
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,720
Regal is bringing the folks in
today.

818
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Oh IA 100% know that there are
people who don't listen to the

819
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,600
movie at all and just listen to
our whiskey reviews.

820
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,240
Listen, we'll take those
downloads however we can get

821
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,360
them.
Let's go.

822
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Yeah, I I think the beauty of
Shawshank really lies within the

823
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,480
messaging that humans have an
opportunity to choose hope

824
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,840
regardless of the circumstance
that they find themselves in.

825
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:11,200
Like the the most dour and
darkest moment of Andy

826
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,360
Dufresne's life is when he is
sitting in that car outside of

827
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,120
his wife's and lover's house
thinking about murdering them.

828
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,000
And even in that moment, he
chooses hope.

829
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,040
He drives away, throws the gun
into a river to his own

830
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,400
detriment and, you know, chooses
to believe that life can get

831
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,280
better from this dark night of
the soul.

832
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,640
And, and I, I think that's what
makes this movie so universally

833
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,640
beloved, is like everybody wants
to think that they could be Andy

834
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Dufresne, that they could choose
hope no matter what is happening

835
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,520
in their lives.
Oh, I thought there was a butt

836
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,440
coming.
I was waiting for the

837
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
second-half of that.
Everybody wants to think that,

838
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,200
but they can't.
I mean, I mean, if we're being

839
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,920
honest, they can't because
people aren't as, don't have as

840
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,080
much internal fortitude as they
think they do.

841
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Well, so that's a great segue
because as I'm watching the

842
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,160
movie this time, I start
thinking like, yet the the

843
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,160
message of this movie is
incredible, right?

844
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,800
And ultimately the person that
needs the message in the movie

845
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,680
The most is Red.
It's not Andy at all.

846
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Like Andy just has hope.
And so it's like a feature of

847
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,920
his character, whereas Red's the
one who goes on the journey of

848
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,880
discovery and transformation.
But but it is funny though, that

849
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,800
like Andy is espousing hope
throughout the movie, but when

850
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,960
you actually think of like all
of the things that needed to

851
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,720
happen for him to get out of
prison, like I don't know if

852
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,520
hope is actually you can't
attribute all that to hope.

853
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,520
Like he he just happened to be
in a cell that was next to the

854
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,080
pipe that got you out of prison
and he just happened to never

855
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
get moved cells And he just
happened to have enough time to

856
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,320
like make that giant hole in his
wall and it never got discovered

857
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,280
because of the poster that was
underneath it.

858
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,120
And also, like, you know, if if
the warden had just let him get

859
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,760
pardoned, like this whole movie
doesn't happen, right?

860
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Like he only actually is decides
to escape after he's been

861
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,560
completely shut down and after
the guy that was going to stick

862
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,480
up for him gets shot to death
and his hope is all the way

863
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,840
drained at that point.
And then he decides to escape.

864
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,800
But it's like the tiny, tiny
things Red couldn't have done

865
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,320
this, right?
Like it only works because Andy

866
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,240
is a genius.
Andy is already doing the books

867
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,400
for the warden.
Andy already has a fake

868
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,200
personality set up that he can
just slip into.

869
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,880
He has the blackmail on the
warden so that no one can pursue

870
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,320
him.
Like it's, it's a, it's a

871
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,440
stunning number of coincidences.
It's not just like, you know, he

872
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,320
catapulted himself over the
barbed wire one day and ran

873
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:57,720
away.
Yeah.

874
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,760
Yeah, he's not pulling a Steve
McQueen.

875
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Right, right.
Jumping a motorcycle over barbed

876
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,240
wire.
But then he's like, oh, but it's

877
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,240
all you know, it all comes down
to hope.

878
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,520
And it's like, it sounds like it
came down to about 20 years of

879
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,680
meticulous planning, my dude.
It sounds like it came down to

880
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,960
like an author writing a story
with specific beats and like,

881
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,440
you know, things that needed to
happen to get us to the desired

882
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,840
ending.
I Who knows?

883
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,040
It is I mean, but again, all of
these things had to happen or

884
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920
this movie just does not have
like the the chief opposition to

885
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,240
him in prison is the sisters,
right?

886
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,200
The they keep calling them but
forgive the term, but they keep

887
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,640
calling them the bulk queers
right?

888
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,480
And because he curries favor
with the guards even before the

889
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,080
warden, the guard stick up for
him, beat up the the head of the

890
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,440
sisters and then no one ever
messes with Andy or any of his

891
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,120
friends for the rest of the
movie.

892
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,800
It like you would.
Decades more in prison.

893
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,120
You would think prison was a
utopia based on the way the

894
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,600
inmates interact with each
other.

895
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,440
For the rest of this film, like
I, I have never seen such

896
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,680
friendship.
It's such a beautiful thing to

897
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,240
happen in such a dark place.
Bob.

898
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:11,240
I'm I'm just so inspired.
Which which leads me ultimately

899
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:14,200
back to where I started.
This is a really, really great

900
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,160
movie, and yet there is just
something keeping me from giving

901
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,720
it the 10 out of 10 that it
consistently asks me to give it.

902
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:26,440
Is that your segue into?
Let's make it a double.

903
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,840
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

904
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,720
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's have another film with

905
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,160
this one, even if it's
struggling.

906
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,680
It's the final segment of the
dinner.

907
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,280
Let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

908
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,120
part of the show where we pick a
film to pair up with this one to

909
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,120
make the perfect double feature.
Brad, I am interested to hear

910
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,280
what your Let's Make It a Double
is because I had mine in mind

911
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,840
throughout watching this movie
and I cannot remember what it is

912
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,680
right now so I'm trying to
remember.

913
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,440
I hate when I do that.
Man, we're getting old.

914
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,520
It's.
It's.

915
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,840
Frequent anymore?
Luckily for the film and Whiskey

916
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Nation audience, I do remember
the movie I thought of often

917
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,360
throughout this film.
I am going to pair it up with

918
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,080
another prison escape movie.
I am going to pair this with

919
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,840
2002's The Count of Monte
Cristo.

920
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,440
OH.
Crisco.

921
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,360
Yes, I apologize.
The Count of Monte Crisco.

922
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:30,560
By Alexandria, the Mass.
We got exactly, I forgot that

923
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,600
they mentioned that book in the
movie and they said it and I was

924
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,560
like, I was already thinking
about that.

925
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,600
One of my favorite classic
novels.

926
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:45,000
An absolutely spectacular book
to read if you have not read it.

927
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,680
Also a really fun movie.
Jim Caviezel knocks it out in

928
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,720
that film.
Man, I can't remember what I had

929
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,320
picked.
I'm so mad at myself.

930
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,040
I think I'm going to go the
really obvious route as a

931
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,680
result.
And I'm going to go ahead and

932
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,880
pair this up with Frank
Darabont's follow up Stephen

933
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,600
King adaptation, The Green Mile,
a movie that we have not yet

934
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,800
talked about on this podcast,
which is wild.

935
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,800
Really good movie.
Again, Stephen King, Frank

936
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,280
Darabont prison movie hope What?
What more could you ask?

937
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,800
You feel so good, boss.
I'm not gonna do the voice.

938
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,560
I was gonna do the voice, but
I'm not gonna do the voice.

939
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,480
All right, so I've picked the
Green Mile.

940
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Brad, once again, what was your
pick?

941
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,360
The Count of Monte Cristo.
Monte Crisco All right, let's

942
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,320
give this movie some final
scores.

943
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,960
Brad.
I've been talking about it the

944
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,120
entire time.
I'm gonna land at a nine out of

945
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,600
10 and I don't I don't know why
I'm at a nine out of 10.

946
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,440
I want to love this movie more
than I do.

947
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,480
And for brief stretches, I do
love this movie.

948
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,160
And then there are also long
stretches where I'm like, this

949
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,840
is good, this is good, and
that's about the best I can do.

950
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,320
I'm at a nine.
I'm actually with you.

951
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,560
I I'm at a nine out of 10.
I I really love this movie.

952
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,840
I think that they do a lot of
beautiful things.

953
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,400
I think that if you're learning
how to write a script, there's

954
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,960
lots of things you could learn
here.

955
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,760
The cinematography is great like
that.

956
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,920
The opening helicopter shot of
like the whole prison yard going

957
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,320
to the entrance where the bus is
coming in is is like beautiful.

958
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,320
Do you remember who the
cinematographer was?

959
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,360
Oh, I looked it up.
I don't, I can't think of his

960
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,120
name right now.
It's.

961
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Rodger Deakins, baby.
That's right.

962
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,920
It's Deakins.
Good old Deke the goat.

963
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,040
My my boy.
My boy.

964
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,840
Rodger Deke.
So you're at a nine out of 10.

965
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,720
I'm at a nine out of 10.
Folks, what are we missing with

966
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:45,440
Shawshank?
What is keeping us from giving

967
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,960
this movie A10 Help
psychoanalyze us.

968
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,520
You can find us on all of our
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969
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,000
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or
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970
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,280
Or if you want to join the
conversation, we are on our

971
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,920
Discord server every single day
and you can join that server.

972
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,440
There's a link to it at the end
of every single one of our show

973
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,320
notes.
Next week we're actually

974
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,640
changing things up a little bit.
We're going to be watching.

975
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,880
So join us for that one next
week.

976
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

977
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,520
And we'll see you next time.