The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) / Jack Daniel's Twice Barreled American Single Malt

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In 1948, director John Houston
and star Humphrey Bogart gave

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the world a madding descent into
the dangers of greed and

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isolation.
In 2026, we try a whiskey that

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has us asking if it's actually
made from liquid gold.

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The film is The Treasure of the
Sierra Madre.

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The whiskey is Jack Daniels
twice barrelled American single

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malt and we'll review them.
Both This is the Film and

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Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
And Brad Gee, this week we are

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talking about one of my absolute
favorites, 1948's The Treasure

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of the Sierra Madre.
This is like, when I think about

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like, man movies.
This is just like a dude's

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movie, man.
It's down and dirty.

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It's gritty, everyone's covered
in just dirt and dust.

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There's murder and gold and
greed and avarice, all the

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things men love.
Brad.

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Yeah, I mean this.
It really does.

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I love that you called it like
dirty and like grimy 'cause like

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I feel like growing up watching
movies with my dad, you just had

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like, you had like John Wayne
westerns like Mcclintock that

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are like kind of bright and wild
and colorful.

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But then you had your ones that
were like long and slow and dry

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and dusty and you just felt that
sense of, you felt the, the

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weariness of the wild, Wild
West.

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And this is one of those movies.
You can feel the heat and the

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sweat coming off of these guys
and just like the the fallow

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nature of the ground, like all
through this movie.

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And you know, Brad, before we
even dive into talking about the

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movie in earnest, this this is a
Warner Brothers picture from

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1948.
And I don't know if you've quite

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picked up yet on like the
differences in the the style of

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studios from golden Hollywood,
but like MGM was kind of the

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king of the golden age of
Hollywood.

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And RKO was also a big studio
that now no longer exists.

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But when you watch an MGM movie,
they were known for spectacle

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and scale and huge, massive
sets.

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And you know, they were the the
musical factory as well.

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Warner Brothers really made
their name in the 1930s on these

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kind of like, down and dirty,
gritty gangster movies like

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Scarface and White Heat with
James Cagney.

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And you'd go to see a Warner
Brothers picture and there was

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just something a little bit
seedier about it, not even

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necessarily like film noir, but
kind of the precursor to that.

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And all through the 1940s, you
know, obviously Warner Brothers

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becomes a more and more
successful studio.

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The budgets get bigger, but
there's still something about,

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like, when I'm watching an old
movie and The MGM logo comes up,

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I kind of know what I'm getting
into.

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And then when the Warner
Brothers logo comes up, I'm

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like, Oh yeah, dude, like this
is about to get filthy.

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And I love it, man.
That would would Stagecoach be a

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Warner Brothers production
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Feel like MGM.
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I was wondering because it feels
like there's pieces of MGM in

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that, but also pieces of a
little bit of down and dirty

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that you might see.
In Warner Brothers, it's really,

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it's hard to remember sometimes
because like in the late 80s or

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early 90's, the billionaire Ted
Turner bought the the catalog of

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movies that came out of The MGM
studios and they all ended up

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being distributed on video by
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Like that's how Turner classic
movie started as he owned all

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these movies.
And so you'll buy like a Blu-ray

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of an old Warner's movie or an
old MGM movie, and it'll have

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like a Warner Brothers logo at
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So I can never remember who came
from who, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
It is amazing to think like the

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full history of cinema, of like
the animosity you had between

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these studios.
And eventually they all ended up

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buying each other anyways.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well, now we have, we have the
same thing happening with the

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purchase of Paramount and
Netflix might buy Warner

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Brothers.
And you know, five years from

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now AI and Sora will just be
creating movies for us.

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And I'll just jump off a bridge
and that'll be the end of it,

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Brad, you know, So there we go.
Thanks for attending Bob's

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Hopefulness Corner today, Brad.
We've got a movie to talk about

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called The Treasure of the
Sierra Madre.

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But in order to get into talking
about that movie, we have to get

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into our first segment of the
day, which we call Brad

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Explains.
Brads going to give us the movie

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plots with only 60 seconds
sticking on the clock.

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So let's go ahead and do your
take with this little segment

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that we call Brad Explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Now folks, if you're joining us
for the first time today,

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welcome into film and whiskey.
You've picked a doozy of a film

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to start with, but every movie
we're reviewing this season,

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season #10 is a throwback to the
films we reviewed in our very

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first season back in 2019.
We've been doing this for seven

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years now, and we figured it was
time for a bit of a refresh on

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those early episodes.
It's been fun to revisit these

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movies Brad, cause some of them
are in my rotation of just

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movies I throw on when I'm bored
on the weekend.

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You have spreadsheet.
Of your rotational movies.

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Yeah, it's most recent viewing
relaxation and it's color-coded

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and it's ordered perfectly.
Brett No, but I was going to say

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some of them I haven't watched
again in in seven years.

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And despite this movie being
like a a true favorite of mine,

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I don't think I've seen it since
we watched it in 2019.

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I'm assuming the same is true
for you.

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Yeah, I I have not returned to
the treasure, although it's it

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has lived on fondly in my
memory.

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So I I was happy to come back to
it.

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This is one of those movies that
like, if you look at the

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American Film Institute Top 100,
it's on both lists.

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It's a really highly regarded
movie that I feel like just

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drives no conversation even like
in obviously in the public now

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it's 80 years old, but like, you
know, even on like film Twitter

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or whatever, I never hear people
going back to treasure the

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Sierra Madre.
And so it kind of lives in that

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same headspace for me as the
best Years of our Lives, which

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is another movie that everyone
who's seen it is like 10 out of

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10 movie masterpiece.
But for some reason there seems

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to be a lack of awareness of it.
And so I'm kind of wondering,

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before we watched it in 2019,
had you seen it at all or did

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you have any familiarity with
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No, I, I don't know if I'd even
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It was completely out of my
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I also didn't even know there
was such a thing as film

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Twitter.
So, you know, I, I don't know if

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I'm a good judge.
How can you be a movie critic

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and not be on film?
Twitter, Brad.

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Am IA movie critic Bob is is
that what I?

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Am Roger Ebert checked out of
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He was like, I refuse to do
this, I'm not kidding on

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Twitter.
Peace out guys.

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I mean what, he passed away in
2012 or 13?

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Yeah, pretty much so.
Like right after Twitter came

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out.
Treasure of the Sierra Madre is

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an interesting movie because
there's a lot of references made

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to it, like especially in in
kids media of the 90s.

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Like Animaniacs was referencing
this movie all the time.

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And like I had a buddy that
quoted we don't need no stinking

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badges to me a few weeks ago.
And I know he's never heard of

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this movie.
So like somewhere along the way

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he heard that line.
Did not know it came from this

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movie.
It's a great line, Bob.

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Like, you know how there's like
the ear worm like songs?

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That for whatever.
Reason we don't need no stinking

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badges is an ear worm of a line.
It it just sits in sits in your

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head.
I have to say, for people who

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are not familiar with this
movie, if they happen to be

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listening to this episode, we
have given them absolutely no

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context for what we're talking
about today.

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So it all falls on you, my
friend.

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You get 60 seconds to breakdown
the plot of this movie with full

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spoilers.
Now, folks, our our typical

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policy here on film and whiskey
is that if the movie is 80 years

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old, you've had plenty of time
to catch up with it.

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So, you know, if you if you're
worried about it getting spoiled

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for you, I highly suggest that
you hit pause here.

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Go watch the movie and then join
us after Brad explains.

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Brad one minute on the clock and
go.

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The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
is a film that follows 2 main

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characters played by Humphrey
Bogart and Tim Holt.

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They are Dobbs and Curtin 2
hobos in Is it Durango at the.

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Tampico.
It's Tampico, Yeah.

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Yeah, they're, they're kind of
hobos, just live in on the

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streets in Mexico.
They get a job.

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The man doesn't pay them.
They beat him up, take the money

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that he owed them, and run into
an old prospector named Howard.

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They pay to get the equipment
and they go out to stake a claim

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and mine gold for about a year
it seems like.

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And throughout the film you see
Dobbs slowly descend into

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madness over the gold and his
greed, while Curtin and Howard

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continue to seem to ascend
towards kindness and goodness

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despite the money that they are
hoping to make off this gold.

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At the end of the film, Dobbs
receives his just reward by

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being killed by bandits, and
Howard and Curtin are freed from

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any any Vadnais that could have
happened because the gold is

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lost in the sands of the desert.
The treasure is here, Madre.

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And let's be honest, dude,
Curtin is going off to Texas to

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get him some.
He's going to go plow a dead

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guy's wife, which is how any
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ends, right?
Let's be honest.

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He says it so like courteously
though, because I, I think I'll

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go pay her a visit and and let
her let her know what, what

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deeds have been done down here
in Mexico.

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It's like, yeah, dude, you're
going to go do some deeds up

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there on the Peach farm, too.
All right, man, Let's talk about

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the treasure of the Sierra
Madre.

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In a world where Peach emojis
have a different complete

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meaning.
My guy is Peach farming in more

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ways than one.
Brad.

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OK, I want to start by talking
about Humphrey Bogart, a guy

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that's been on this podcast a
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I although I.
Can't We interviewed a few

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times.
He's been on the podcast.

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Yeah, not a very good
conversationalist anymore, Brad,

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but we tried.
We reviewed Casablanca twice

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now.
We reviewed this movie twice

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now.
I don't I, I guess we did the

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The African Queen as well.
I'd really love to eventually

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get around to doing the Maltese
Falcon, which is probably it's,

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it's his biggest early break.
And then a movie called The Cane

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Mutiny, which comes out in 1954,
which I think may be his best

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performance.
But we've done 3 Bogart Movies

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Now.
The thing about Bogart is like

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he is in that classic Hollywood
vein of a movie star with a very

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particular style of acting and
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Like very similar to James
Cagney, who I don't know if

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we've ever even done a Jimmy
Cagney movie on this podcast,

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but like Edward G Robinson, like
there's a guy and he's Edward G

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Robinson in every movie.
And that is not to say that he's

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not an incredible actor.
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applies with Bogart.
Like Bogart is really good at

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finding shades to play within
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He is never as big and seen
chewing in Casablanca as he is

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in this movie.
He really hams it up in this

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movie.
And The thing is though, I don't

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think the movie works without
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Break from reality, hamming it
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And I really do think this is
one of his very best

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performances.
And it, it starts in such a good

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place.
I, I think one of the key

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elements of the whole movie for
me is that he starts off so

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rational and honest about
himself and like where he's at

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in life.
And the, the scene, for me, that

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really makes his entire
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And the arc of his character,
the not really an arc towards

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anything good is when he and
Curtain beat up the guy who owes

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them money and he pulls out the
$300 that they're owed and

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throws the rest on his face.
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I only want what's owed to me.
I'm not going to take any extra.

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descent into like, I like these
guys are trying to kill me for

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my money and I want to kill them
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It it is such a great gripped
for his character and Bogart,

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like you said, his performance
highlights the the depths to

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which he has descended just
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I mean, I think this movie is
rare among films of this era

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because the first person you see
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You follow his character
throughout the movie, and yet by

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the the end of the film where
he's kind of having his break

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from reality, he gets separated
from Tim Holtz and Walter

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Houston's character is separated
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And so Bogart kind of becomes a
supporting character by the very

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end of the film.
But if you're just looking at

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like, who's our protagonist in
this movie, it's Humphrey

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Bogart.
And you watch him descend into

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an antagonist, it's really
uncommon.

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And I think that like, so the
early scenes of the movie are

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him bumming around Tampico.
They do a great job of setting

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up why he can't just go back to
America and why he also can't

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earn money.
They have a great little side

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conversation when he meets Tim
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And they're just kind of
bemoaning the fact that if you

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try to shine shoes, no American
will respect you enough to pay

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you and the locals around here
will shun you for taking their

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job.
So you're stuck until you can

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get a respectable job.
You just have to wait around

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with no money to go anywhere, no
food to buy anything.

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They'll respect you enough to
give you a, a couple, you know,

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gold coins to buy yourself
something to eat, but that's it.

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So it's like the stakes are set
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This guy just wants what's
coming to him.

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He and Tim Holt work this really
crappy hard labor job and they

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get shafted by this guy.
Couple days go by, they hunt the

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guy down, they beat him up.
And at the beginning of the

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movie, you're kind of like, OK,
where is this going?

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Like, what are the the elements
of the plot leading to here?

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But you're right, Brad, like
they they function both to get

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them to the goldmine.
Like they have to find money

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somehow.
So we're gonna have Bogart buy

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this lottery ticket.
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there, but they also are there
for, like, the contrast of who

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he becomes later in the movie.
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like, the only way these guys
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So the lottery, like, a thing
that that doesn't belong to them

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in the first place.
And through violence, which is

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like, I have to beat this guy up
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And that theme is going to carry
all through the movie where, you

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know, there's bandits attacking
them, they're shooting bandits.

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The theme of like violence and
it's link to wealth I think is

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really well drawn in this movie.
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And even in that it's absolute
luck that drives the bandits

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away from that.
Like it just happens that the

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feder, the federales as they
call them, show up and drive off

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these bandits.
And so the idea that he is

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unable to make it in life
without luck or violence is is

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really well said.
Yeah, and I mean, the more I

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think about it, the more luck
really is the central theme of

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this movie.
Or just fate or chance, I guess

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even would be better because,
you know, the lottery hits at

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the beginning of the movie.
You've got the different

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instances of the bandits getting
caught by the federales and

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somehow getting out.
Like, you think they die at one

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point, and then they're not
dead.

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They get captured again.
And then you still see the

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bandits again at the very end of
the movie.

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They've somehow continued to
elude capture, the gold being

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destroyed on a whim and then
getting blown back into the

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mountains again.
It's this, this very deep sense

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that like all of this is chance.
There is.

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You are not in control of your
destiny or your fate the way you

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think you are.
And to think that you are is

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folly.
And I think that's what makes it

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such a good guy movie.
Not that women don't believe

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this, right?
But like you think it's a movie

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about hard work and violence and
sweat and grits, and at the end

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of the movie it's very much
about things that are much, much

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deeper than that.
And I think that's what brings

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the rewatch ability factor into
this movie for me.

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Yeah, to to me the the movie is
about how luck brings out the

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true character of a man.
That we aren't who we are

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because of what the fates decide
to throw at us.

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We are who we are when based on
our actions in light of what the

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fates throw at us.
Like it honestly feels kind of

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like a Greek tragedy, like the
like, can't you imagine the

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three sisters of fate, like
weaving this story and Dobbs is

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cursing them by the end of the
film.

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And Curtain and Howard are just
sitting there like, you know

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what?
I you know, for Howard, he's

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like, I've kind of made it
because I had Boy Scout training

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and I saved this local villagers
life.

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And now I get to just kind of
hang out the rest of my life and

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and run on that.
And that's kind of cool.

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And I'm going to do good things
for these people.

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And Curtin, I, for me, his key
scene that I, I love, like I'm

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locked in is when Howard asks
him what he wants to do with the

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money.
And he's just like, you know, I

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have these memories from
childhood of, of farming in the

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fields, these fruit trees.
And I, I think I'd like to go

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start a fruit farm and like pay
workers and like, it feels like

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a very pro capitalist.
Like he's like, yeah, I'm going

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to become a, become a landowner
and join the capitalist society

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and like hire people and it's
going to be great.

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And then Hobbes comes in and
it's like, OK, well, Hobbs is

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unable to think outside of the
very this very moment.

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And he can't plan for the
future, and he can't think

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ahead.
And all he can think about is, I

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want to get a shower and a
shave.

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And then he goes, and I don't
know what else I'd want to do.

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And then he looks at the fire
and Howard goes, well, no, he

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was thinking about women right
now.

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Yeah, well, no, he's cause Dobbs
comes in and he's like, he's

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talking about all the things he
would do.

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And then he goes Tim Holtz,
like, well, what, what's next,

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Dobbsy?
And he goes, well, what would

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be?
Yeah.

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And you just see them both like
it's and again, like we're

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talking about an era of
Hollywood where they had the

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sensors in place.
So like, you can't just be like,

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I'm going to hire a hooker.
I really need to get laid.

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And it's, it's just communicated
through silence and it is kind

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of funny, but it's also like
this really deep kind of sad

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longing that you see especially
on Tim Holtz's face.

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And I think that it's one of
those instances where less is

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more.
Like they don't have to say it

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'cause they can't say it.
And it, it ends up communicating

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more about these guys and how
long they've been out in the

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wilderness by not saying
anything.

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No, it's a it's a brilliant
moment, man.

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Yeah, and and like I said, the
key thing for me is what it

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reveals about curtains character
and Dobbsy's character and how

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circumstances might make, you
know, compatriots of any 2 human

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beings, but the same
circumstances will reveal who

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they really are at at their
core.

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And I think that's that's the
heart of this movie, is that

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there are some men who.
When push comes to shove,

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they're not good people.
And there's some men when push

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comes to shove, they're, they're
good.

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They, they strive towards
goodness.

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I, it, it makes me think about
when I was a Hospice chaplain, I

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had a guy on my, who I, I cared
for that had been a prison guard

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at a local prison.
And I just, I'll never forget

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him telling me he's like, you
know, some of those men in

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there, like you'd look him in
the eye and you're just like,

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man, I really hope they get a
second chance in life.

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I hope they get out of here and
find a, a Good Wife and get a

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job and have kids and like, they
just seem like, you know, they

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were in a troubled circumstance.
He's like, there's other guys,

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you look in their eyes and
you're like, man, I hope they

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never see the light of day and
that like that.

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For whatever reason, that story
popped into my head as I was

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watching this.
As you know, Hobbs's Dobbs is

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talking about what he wants to
do and Curtains talking about

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what he wants to do.
It just just made me think of

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that.
Yeah, I think this is actually a

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really good jumping off point to
bring up Walter Houston.

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So John Houston is the director
of this.

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Walter Houston is his is his
dad.

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Walter Houston doesn't actually
talk like that in most of his

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movies.
So it's, it's really funny to

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see him in this movie because
this, you know, we talked about

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it in our first episode.
This is very obviously the

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character mold for Stinky Pete,
the prospector in Toy Story 2.

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Like, very obviously, which is
great 'cause it's a cool

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throwback to this classic
Hollywood thing.

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Also a great.
Character.

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Oh yeah, man.
And Walter Houston's fantastic

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in this movie because he's
talking a mile a minute.

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He has that like the look and
smile of a guy that's lost all

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his teeth.
That is like you can't quite

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understand what he's saying half
the time, but he just go with it

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anyway.
And the only note that I'll

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give, though, on Walter Houston
for an Academy award-winning

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performance, we should add, is
that sometimes they give him

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pretty crucial plot information.
And I'm like, I don't, I don't

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understand what I had to watch a
lot of his dialogue with the

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captions on 'cause he says it so
fast on purpose.

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It's definitely a choice.
I don't know if it's a choice

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that works 100% of the time.
I mean, how much plot do you

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really need to know Bob?
They're they're going after

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gold.
Do you, do you need a did you

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need an extra 10 minutes of like
back story on Howard and his

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growing up life?
I did.

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I did.
Yeah.

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I wanted I wanted to watch his
first couple times out

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prospecting for gold and how he
failed miserably.

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Yeah, I do.
I do think for me the the

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moments of his performance that
works the best.

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I guess the best comparison I
can make is like the in the

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middle of Jaws when they all go
below deck and Quint tells the

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story of the USS Indianapolis.
The moments in this movie where

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they're like around a fire or in
a tent and you just hear Howard

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reminiscing and like giving them
warnings about how this is going

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to go bad and they don't go
overboard with detail from his

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life.
It's just this ominous.

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Sort of like I've seen things.
I know how this is going to end.

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You guys are not prepared for
that.

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And I think that Walter Houston
plays those moments beautifully.

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And I think that John Houston
and the cinematographer do such

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a good job with lighting and
shadow in this movie that it

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just, it makes those scenes hit
so much harder for me.

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Yeah, he he is the perfect
archetype of the world weary

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advice giving grandfather.
Like, I can't think of any other

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character in any movie that
plays that mentor role with so

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much like, congeniality and like
seriousness that he knows the

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depths of darkness that can
enter a human soul when they're

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isolated and there's so much
money at stake.

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And yeah, he just, he does an
excellent job at it.

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And his performance, while it's
over the top it, his

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ridiculousness almost highlights
those moments of quiet

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earnestness and honesty.
He has so much depth as an actor

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to be able to do both of those
things really, really well.

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Because somebody you said
earlier the nobody's perfect at

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the end of.
Something like a hot Joey Brown.

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Oh, you said somebody else's
name.

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That's what I was thinking of.
Like Joey Brown is an actor who

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is always Joey Brown.
Like, he could, he could play

445
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,120
the ridiculous, crazy Howard.
I don't know if he could play

446
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,720
the earnest, serious Howard.
And I think that's where Walter

447
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,080
Houston really shines.
Absolutely.

448
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,920
Now, I do, you know, I already
said this, but obviously John

449
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,000
Houston is Walter Houston's son.
So he's started making a name

450
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280
for himself at this point in
Hollywood as a director.

451
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,080
And we've done a couple John
Houston Movies Now on the

452
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520
podcast.
We did this and we did The

453
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,280
African Queen and I think that,
you know, it's not quite enough

454
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,080
to really get a sense of what
kind of themes he liked to dive

455
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,360
into as a director.
But he he always did make these

456
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,160
sort of masculine, muscular,
gritty movies that were were

457
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,680
more about kind of the ideals of
courage and bravery and the

458
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,160
nature of violence and what that
does to a man's soul.

459
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,520
Very Clint Eastwood E, if I'm
being honest, like a proto

460
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,880
Eastwood like post Unforgiven.
Wondering now, Brad, you know,

461
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
you did not like the African
Queen that much or you thought

462
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:04,080
it was just OK.
Do you see any sort of themes or

463
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,560
parallels or what have you
picked up now from watching a

464
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800
couple different John Houston
movies?

465
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,560
I mean I I.
Think in addition to what you

466
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,560
just said, he loves nature and
how nature draws out the true

467
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,160
character of a person and like
hones them and sharpens them.

468
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,960
So that seems like it's a theme
across his films and it it seems

469
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,720
like he has a strong sense of we
all kind of start off at an

470
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,320
equal place when we're
strangers, but the longer we

471
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,720
spend with people in difficult
circumstances, the more we

472
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,320
really know who they are.
And I, I don't know if that's

473
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040
true across all of his films,
but it seems like that's the

474
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,880
case with is it Catherine O'Hara
and and Bogey.

475
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,320
It's it's Katharine.
Hepburn, Hepburn, thank you.

476
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,240
I was thinking Marine.
Yeah, Catherine O'Hara is the

477
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,080
the.
Mom from home alone.

478
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,800
There he is, Yeah.
Basically slightly different,

479
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,920
Slightly different.
People you know?

480
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,680
Yeah, No.
John Houston did.

481
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,720
An adaptation of The Red Badge
of Courage in the early 1950s,

482
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,120
which is I remember when I was a
kid, even my dad was like, I

483
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,720
love that book when I was a
little boy.

484
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,720
And I knew that that was one of
those movies that the studio

485
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,840
kind of took it away from him
and cut it down drastically.

486
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,000
And so the final version that
got put in theaters of The Red

487
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,520
Badge of Courage is 64 minutes
long or something, and it's

488
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,520
streaming on.
We've talked, we've talked about

489
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,360
The 90.
Minute we've talked about the 90

490
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,440
minute dude movie, so I watched
it the.

491
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,440
Other day because it was an hour
long and I was like I can check

492
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,680
a movie off my list in an hour
and it's freaking fantastic.

493
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,240
His his battle choreography is
amazing, but he casts Audie

494
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Murphy in the lead role.
And Audie Murphy is a guy who

495
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,400
became an actor after World War
2, where he won the Medal of

496
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Honor.
And then he made a bunch of war

497
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,640
movies.
But it's a movie about cowardice

498
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,280
in battle, starring a guy who
America knew as the bravest guy

499
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,680
in the war.
And it's just such a cool

500
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,680
commentary on the nature of
courage in battle.

501
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,440
I was gonna bring it up for my
let's make it a double.

502
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840
I don't know if I'll go that
direction, but I bring it up

503
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,240
here to say this is a constant
theme throughout Houston's

504
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,800
movies.
And the other thing I noticed

505
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,160
this time through is that he
really leaned into like the

506
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,040
father son dynamic a lot because
Tim Holtz, the third actor in

507
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,360
this trio that we haven't talked
about yet, is kind of a neppo

508
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,440
baby in Hollywood.
And his dad, Jack Holt, was a

509
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,160
pretty famous silent movie
actor, and he actually appears

510
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,280
in this movie in the flop house.
His his character name is Flop

511
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,640
House Bum.
And he's the guy that's like

512
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,680
first asking Walter Houston,
like.

513
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920
So tell us again, old timer,
about you prospecting.

514
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,560
That's Tim Holtz, dad.
And so you've got the Houstons

515
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800
and the Holtz both making this
movie about, you know, the

516
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,600
things men do and the stories we
tell each other and the regrets

517
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,280
we have.
It's just such an interesting

518
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,560
dynamic.
I don't really know how to parse

519
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
it, but you can tell that
Houston's concerned with it in

520
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,800
this movie.
Yeah.

521
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,160
I, I don't, I don't know where
to go.

522
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Listen, we don't have to go into
it.

523
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,040
I just.
It's just one of those things

524
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,000
where it's like, you notice it.
You're like, I don't know what

525
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040
he's trying to do with that, but
it had to be intentional right

526
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,400
there.
There's something going on.

527
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,120
There for sure.
I don't feel like you

528
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,160
accidentally.
Hire your dad, you know.

529
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,440
No, I mean.
He just shows up on set.

530
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,240
You're like, wait a minute.
What are you doing here?

531
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,320
It's a spider man.
Yeah.

532
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Wait a second.
Well, on that note, let's talk

533
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,360
about.
Tim Holt a little bit.

534
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,000
I do think that he is the
weakest actor of the three.

535
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,000
And it's one of those things
where like he has this kind of

536
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
baby face though, and it's like
a a very sincere looking,

537
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,520
honest, good guy face.
And all through the movie, every

538
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,320
time you see Tim Holt maybe
start to get tempted by the idea

539
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,360
of the gold, the music will turn
ominous for a second, and then

540
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,920
it'll kick back into our theme
of like, and he'll run back in

541
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,240
the mine and rescue Humphrey
Bogart.

542
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,160
You need a guy like that to be
playing against the the villainy

543
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,160
and kind of cartoonish looking
nature of Humphrey Bogart.

544
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Yeah, you, you.
Absolutely.

545
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,280
Do I by the end of it, I don't
know if this is like fair or

546
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,560
not.
He has like a little bit of an

547
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Amish beard going on until like
growing up near Amish country,

548
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,760
you're like, yeah, this is
obviously the good guy.

549
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,200
He's he's got the Amish beard.
Like he's going to work really

550
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320
hard.
He's going to be very kind, have

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,160
good high moral principles.
It's going to be great.

552
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720
I actually really enjoy Holt in
this movie.

553
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,680
I think that he's a perfect
counterbalance to the inanity of

554
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Walter Houston and the dourness
of Humphrey Bogart.

555
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,760
Like to me, they they form this
perfect like Trinity of emotions

556
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,880
that like they kind of all
balance each other out.

557
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Like he's good but still kind of
serious.

558
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
And Walter Houston is good and
chaotic.

559
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,720
And then, you know, Dobbs is
simultaneously good and he's

560
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,720
simultaneously evil and chaotic
and yet also like kind of like

561
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,320
principled at the same time.
It is a great group of

562
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,960
characters and I think that's
what makes this movie so

563
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,520
compelling, is that you have
three very distinct characters

564
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560
carrying this movie throughout,
and the relationships between

565
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,600
the three of them is
fascinating.

566
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,280
I think 1.
Of the things that could get

567
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040
lost in a conversation about
this movie is how fun this movie

568
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,160
is.
Even when it's serious, it's

569
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
still so entertaining that it's
like, I don't feel like I'm

570
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,400
being lectured at.
I don't feel like this got

571
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,560
boring.
It moves really quickly.

572
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,800
It it packs a punch to it.
The violence in this movie is

573
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,800
shocking sometimes, but
everything that leads up to that

574
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560
is this kind of triumphant.
You know, I'm I'm humming the

575
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,160
theme to the movie because it
has that sort of like the great

576
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,640
escape hummability to it.
And just like the great escape,

577
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,760
like you remember the fun parts
of that movie.

578
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,880
And then when it gets serious at
the end, you're like, Oh, I

579
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,360
forgot that this many people
die.

580
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
And but that's kind of the
secret reason that you come back

581
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,640
to the movie because it it
Trojan horses in those deeper

582
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720
themes.
I think this is right in line

583
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,400
with that.
And that's why I keep referring

584
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,440
to it as like a dad movie 'cause
it has everything you want for

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
the first hour and 15 minutes in
terms of like, this is

586
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,480
entertaining as hell.
These guys are doing it.

587
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,480
Look at that slew us carrying
water down that they're getting

588
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160
the sweet, sweet gold from.
It's just awesome, 'cause you're

589
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,120
like cheering for them.
And then of course Humphrey

590
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Bogart has to go and mess it all
up and start murdering people.

591
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,760
They also do a great job of.
Like bringing you along with

592
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Bogart and Holtz as they have
absolutely no idea what they're

593
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,720
doing.
And it's almost like John

594
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Houston is like pointing the
finger at the camera being like,

595
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,760
you guys don't even have any
idea what prospecting for gold

596
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,560
back in the 1800s would have
looked like.

597
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Like you have absolutely no
clue.

598
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Let let me have my dad tell you,
give you a Ted Talk on what

599
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,520
finding gold actually looks like
and you get those two quick

600
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,320
little.
Scenes where they first think

601
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,440
they found a vein of gold
running through some rocks and

602
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,480
you watch Humphrey Bogart dump a
like a day's worth of water all

603
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080
over these rocks just being
like, look at all this gold.

604
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Walter Houston's like, Nah,
dude, that's, that's fool's

605
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,120
gold.
You, you just wasted all our

606
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,200
water.
And then you get the great next

607
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,960
scene where they're so tired and
angry that Humphrey Bogart's

608
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,440
like, I'm going to crack a rock
over your head, old man.

609
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,720
And he starts doing the jig and
laughing at them and saying

610
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,960
you're Dumber than the dumbest
Jackass.

611
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,880
And it's, it's so good, 'cause
he's like, we're just walking on

612
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,680
gold and you guys have no idea,
'cause you don't know what it

613
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,040
looks like.
And it's, it's such a perfect

614
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,480
entry point for the audience
that, like, we don't understand

615
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,640
what this looks like either.
And we probably still won't even

616
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,000
after you explain it to us.
And that's our signal that guys

617
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,760
like Bogart are in over their
head here.

618
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Yeah.
And dude.

619
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,800
That jig that he does is
absolute perfection, Yeah.

620
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
I like.
I well, I'm amazed it hasn't

621
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,880
been turned into a Fortnite
dance at this point because it's

622
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,120
incredible.
We might as well.

623
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,280
We should just start like we
should post that clip on our

624
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,080
TikTok and just put different
songs behind it of him dancing

625
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,440
to that everyday.
Walter Houston Daily and every

626
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Time we Touch.
I get the feeling that would be

627
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,280
a great.
Cotton Eye Joe mashup, if I'm,

628
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,840
if I would be to be honest with
you.

629
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,880
All right, dude, I think we're
in a good spot.

630
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Let's hit pause here.
Let's go drink some Jack Daniels

631
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,760
and then we'll come back and
finish out our conversation on

632
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,880
treasurer of the Sierra Madre.
What do you say, dude?

633
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,480
Tell me that they didn't drink
Jack.

634
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,159
Daniels, Fred C.
Dobbs is a Jack.

635
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,199
Daniels kind of guy.
Let's get to him, man.

636
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,600
All right, today we've.
Got kind of a special treat in

637
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,520
the whiskey realm, Brad.
We're drinking a special release

638
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,400
from Jack Daniels, and not only
is it a special limited release,

639
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,760
it's a special limited release
from almost four years ago.

640
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,360
This is a 2022 limited edition
Jack Daniels, but it's pretty

641
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480
significant because it's one of
the first times that Jack

642
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,280
publicly released their American
single malt.

643
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,600
And this was a creation of Brown
Foreman master distiller Chris

644
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Morris, who we've had on the
show many Times Now.

645
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Great guy.
I'm really excited to dive into

646
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,320
this man because this marked a,
a kind of a new foray into

647
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,920
single malt for the Jack Daniels
brand.

648
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,600
And now you can get the Jack
Daniels single malt like their

649
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,240
regular baseline offering of it
in stores all across the country

650
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,600
for about $45.00.
Now what we're drinking today I

651
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,120
had to look up some details
about because it was special

652
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,600
release and it's, you know, a
couple years old now.

653
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,600
It's 100% melted barley.
Obviously it did go through the

654
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,320
Lincoln County process of
charcoal filtration that they do

655
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,760
at Jack Daniels.
It was aged for a little bit

656
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,200
over 4 years and then dumped
into freshly emptied Sherry

657
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,800
casks and aged for a little bit
longer in the Sherry butts as

658
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,640
well.
So it looks like they were

659
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,240
rested for about two years on
Sherry before they were bottled

660
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:19,800
in 2002.
So we've got a really strongly,

661
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,240
all right, 2022, sorry.
So this is 2020 plus year old

662
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,240
whiskey.
They were resting in the Sherry.

663
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,000
Finish for 20 years, right?
I'm sure that would be

664
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,240
delicious.
Anyway, I was going to say this

665
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,720
is a very long rested kind of
finished whiskey.

666
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,400
I'm really excited to dive into
it.

667
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,440
We have a small sample bottle of
it here.

668
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,800
Brad, it looks like this comes
in at What's the proof point on

669
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,400
this one?
O 5.7 our favorite radio

670
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,920
station.
In the Cleveland.

671
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Area here the oldies station.
So there you go.

672
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,080
It goes with our our movie for
the day being an oldie.

673
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,560
Big shout out Magic One O 5. .7
Do you remember when magic one O

674
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:09,080
5.7 after LeBron left and we
were playing the Thunder or

675
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,400
sorry the heat was playing the
Thunder in the playoffs and they

676
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,040
like renamed the whole station
or.

677
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,280
No.
Was it the magic?

678
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,840
I don't know, there's a certain
point where they renamed the

679
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,520
entire station for like a week
just to spite LeBron for

680
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,280
leaving.
It was the best thing in the

681
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
world.
I love that.

682
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,520
All right, let's get back into
the whiskey here, man.

683
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,240
Look at the color on this thing.
This is incredibly dark whiskey.

684
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,360
I'm very excited.
You have not or you have tried

685
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,320
it?
I have not yet.

686
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,760
So I'm going to let you go ahead
and give your nosing notes while

687
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,800
I dive in here.
Brad, dude, the nose.

688
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Is beautiful.
Like there is cocoa, there's

689
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,760
plum, there's brown sugar.
It has all these really nice

690
00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:00,560
dark like stone fruit kind of
notes with like that kind of

691
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,560
cocoa, hot chocolatey kind of
consistency.

692
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,560
I I really like the nose a lot.
I give it an 8.5.

693
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,840
Yeah, I I think I'm going to be
right there.

694
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,200
With you, Brad, it does have
that kind of craft whiskey note

695
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,000
on it that American single malt
just tends to get for some

696
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
reason.
But it's way at the back.

697
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,720
And I, I like that a lot because
up front you get a big bomb of

698
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:27,080
kind of like brown sugar
molasses vibes for me.

699
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,320
And then you start getting into
some of those like powdered hot

700
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,160
cocoa mix with like milk powder
and cocoa and sugar.

701
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,960
It's really decadent, which I
wasn't expecting.

702
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,600
I like this a lot.
I'm going to give it an 8.5.

703
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:44,280
Yeah, the palette.
Bro I I took a sip of this and

704
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040
was just like blown away
immediately.

705
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,960
It is dark chocolate.
It's that that cocoa powder.

706
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,560
It's got almost like a burnt
brown sugar vibe going on.

707
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,200
It's it's like a little bit
deeper than Nora.

708
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,240
Just a traditional brown sugar.
There's some cherry notes.

709
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,680
It gets a little tobacco in near
the end.

710
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,480
I freaking love this dude.
I think this is a 9.5.

711
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,600
For me this is 1.
Of the more bourbon Y tasting

712
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,800
single malts I've ever had.
Like it reminds me of so many

713
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520
bourbons that you and I have
sampled on a 95° day in

714
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280
Bardstown, KY outside at that
festival.

715
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,960
And it takes on some character
of like, I don't want to say a

716
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,280
young bourbon, but like maybe a
craft bourbon like it because it

717
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,480
has some of those, those more
herbal vegetable notes in it.

718
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,880
But I know that this is a single
malt.

719
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,600
So it's it's kind of the best of
both worlds and I think kind of

720
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,520
crucially, it doesn't drink at
one O 5 proof like this is

721
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,320
insanely crushable, almost
tipping thin, which, you know,

722
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,040
like it's not astringent in any
way.

723
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,200
But I do wish there was just a
bit more punch on the palate.

724
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800
But I am going to give this a
nine out of 10 on the palate.

725
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Brad Yeah.
Finish.

726
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,320
Wise, I'll give my score right
off the bat.

727
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,920
This is a nine out of 10 on the
finish.

728
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,320
The tobacco is there oak it to
me it gets a little more like

729
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,240
baking spice at the end, a
little bit of clove, a little

730
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,400
bit of nutmeg has like this
really nice, almost Christmassy

731
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
vibe going on.
And you know, maybe that's just

732
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,160
because I made French.
Toast this morning and put a

733
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,840
little.
Nutmeg on there for the girls,

734
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,320
but I I think this is a really
delicious finish that like I

735
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,720
said, 9 out of 10 for me.
Yeah, I definitely picked up.

736
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,920
Nutmeg, not so much clove for
me, but you're right in that it

737
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,880
gets into that kind of
Christmassy vibe towards the

738
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,280
back end.
It reminds me a little bit of

739
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Midwinter Night's DRAM.
Like it obviously doesn't have

740
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,480
those rye notes to it, but it
has that sort of like cherry,

741
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,080
like dark cherry finish to go
with it as well.

742
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,200
Really, really good.
I wish it was just a little bit

743
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640
more long lasting.
Like the the predominant notes

744
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,360
on the finish are tobacco and
leather with some nice dark

745
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,240
stone fruit on it.
I'm going to come down just

746
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,480
slightly and give it an 8 out of
10 on the finish.

747
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,360
And then that takes us to
overall balance where, you know,

748
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,320
it did kind of tip down for me
just slightly throughout the

749
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,240
experience.
But overall this like, you know,

750
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:13,440
if we had tried this in 2022,
this is a whiskey of the year

751
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120
content.
I mean, this is like just damn

752
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,600
good, dude.
I'm going to give it a nine out

753
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640
of 10 on the balance.
Yeah, I'm at 9.5.

754
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,280
I think all the flavors work
well together to make a really

755
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,400
rich, decadent experience that I
don't feel like we get very

756
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,280
often from an American Single
malt.

757
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,240
Like this has a depth and a
power to it that I really,

758
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,040
really love.
I think that time in the Sherry

759
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,520
barrel really did this thing
good.

760
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,880
So I yeah, I'm at 9.5 on balance
now.

761
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,480
Value is difficult.
This had an MSRP of $70 I think

762
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,880
if you could get.
A bottle of this for. $70 that's

763
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,200
a 10 out of 10 value.
Absolutely.

764
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,880
Nowadays, if you wanted to get
this specific bottle, it's like

765
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,160
2 to $500.00.
So like you're in the luxury

766
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,880
territory range now.
I even think at luxury range

767
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,160
this is like a 7 1/2 value if
for a luxury bottle.

768
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,760
I think this is really, really
good.

769
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,960
I'll come down a little bit from
my 10 out of 10.

770
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,080
If it was 70, I'll give it a
nine out of 10 on value.

771
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,760
I think that they priced it at
the right spot, way below what

772
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,320
they should have charged, to be
honest.

773
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,120
And it makes sense that it costs
as much as it does now.

774
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,200
So I I think it's a nine out of
10 on value.

775
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Yeah, I mean, we're talking.
About a one off release here and

776
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,920
I definitely lied about the MSRP
of the regular single malt,

777
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,240
which it looks like MSRP on this
is $100 and that's just for

778
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:44,960
their regular baseline single
malt.

779
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,800
So you know.
Like if.

780
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,960
You're going to spring for it.
I would say try to find this

781
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,800
bottle 'cause this is darn good,
man.

782
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
And if you know, if you're
chasing down a limited edition

783
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,600
kind of vintage pour, if this is
on a bar back somewhere and you

784
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,880
see it, this is 100% like it's
going to be 3540 bucks for a

785
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Porvit.
It's worth it, man.

786
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,400
So just on that alone, I'm going
to give it an 8.5 out of 10 on

787
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,400
value.
And that takes me to a very

788
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,800
impressive 43 out of 50 overall.
Brad, where are you coming out

789
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,000
on this one?
I'm sitting at a 45. .50 My

790
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,360
gosh.
I've hit the, I've hit the 90.

791
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,360
90 Mark.
Wow, that is rarefied.

792
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,840
Air here on film with whiskey,
and that takes us to an 88.5 out

793
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:38,200
of 100 or a 44.25 on average.
So just below that sort of top

794
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,880
echelon of exceptional whiskey.
This is still darn good.

795
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,800
If it wasn't $250, I think it
would have cleared that pretty

796
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,400
easily.
Yeah.

797
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,240
Yeah, 100% man, this.
Is a rich, decadent, beautiful

798
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,240
whiskey that I'm very glad we
came around to even though it's

799
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,320
been 4 years since it was
released.

800
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,440
The real question.
Brad is how much gold or how

801
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,160
much of your soul would you sell
off to how many ounces bottle?

802
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,560
How many ounces of my soul?
Let's get back into talking

803
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,080
about Treasure of the Sierra
Madre.

804
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Brad, what do you say?
Let's get to it.

805
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,800
All right, everybody that was
Jack Daniels twice barreled

806
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,160
American single Bolts.
What a great whiskey, man.

807
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,560
I do you ever wonder if like the
main guys at Jack Daniels drink

808
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,160
their good stuff and they're
like, man, we can make this and

809
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,320
yet for us to make our dime, we
have to ship out that you know

810
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,640
what, I'm not going to.
Crap on Jack Daniels that way

811
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,720
because I like regular Jack
Daniels dude, but I will.

812
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,920
Say that that holds true.
For like Buffalo Trace and

813
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Fireball, Yeah, 100.
Percent.

814
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,360
Give the the cinnamon whiskey to
the peasants, you know?

815
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Yeah, absolutely, man.
Oh, man.

816
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Well, I, I hate to steer us back
into serious matters here, but I

817
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,600
am staring down the barrel of
like a maybe 500 season here in

818
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,560
our next game and I need to make
up some ground.

819
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,440
So what do you say we get into
our game?

820
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
2 facts and a falsehood.
Let's get to it, man.

821
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,720
Brad.
Is going to.

822
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:21,400
Try to stump your ball to our
right and what is wrong. 2 Facts

823
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,440
and a falsehood. 2 Facts and a
falsehood is the part of the

824
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,960
show where Brad presents me with
three items as fact about the

825
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,160
making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

826
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,360
Now, Brad, I told you this movie
was like a big favorite of mine

827
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,560
when I was a teenager and
nerding out about classic

828
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,600
movies.
And so I remember I learned a

829
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,920
lot of trivia about this movie,
OK?

830
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,760
And some of it stuck.
So I'm hoping that the things I

831
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,520
remember that are fun facts are
all three of your facts and

832
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,680
falsehoods.
And I can parse this out easily.

833
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,120
But who knows man?
Let's let's find out.

834
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,400
I'll take a chance.
Like Bogart, all I can think of

835
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,000
is ABBA.
Take a chance, son.

836
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,000
That's.
Another Walter Houston dancing.

837
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,400
That's a perfect Walter Houston
song.

838
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:09,520
Facts number one While on
location, John Houston took a

839
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,320
little Mexican boy named Pablo
under his wing.

840
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,600
The child ran errands for
Houston and generally acted like

841
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,120
the crew mascot.
When it came time for Houston to

842
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,480
close up shop in Mexico, he
chose to adopt Pablo and brought

843
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,280
him back to the United States to
live with him and his second

844
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,800
wife, actress Evelyn Keyes.
Fact number two Production on

845
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200
the film was nearly shut down
when Mexican officials

846
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,920
threatened to revoke the product
production's permit, citing

847
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,160
concerns that the story
portrayed Mexico as inhospitable

848
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,680
to foreigners.
Fact #3 A doctor was assigned to

849
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,480
the unit in Mexico, and one
night he had to attend to John

850
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Houston, who had an adverse
reaction to marijuana, Having

851
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
smoked it for the first time
with his father, he never

852
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,920
touched the stuff again.
I'm so mad because I.

853
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Don't know any of these, I
don't.

854
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,440
Like not a single one.
Man, I love that you set

855
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,480
yourself up for.
That too.

856
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600
You're like, you know, I don't
want to, you know, shy my own

857
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,240
boots or anything, but I know a
thing or two about this film.

858
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,320
Can I share a couple fun?
Facts.

859
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,520
You can't have to get them out
there.

860
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,400
I don't know what else.
I'll do.

861
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,160
It so the the book that this
movie is based off of, The

862
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,400
Treasure of the Sierra Madre,
was written by an author under a

863
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,760
pseudonym BB period Traven.
No one knew anything about B

864
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Traven.
Nobody knew who he was or what

865
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,160
he looked like.
And when, you know, the studio

866
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,680
bought the rights to the movie,
it was never done in person.

867
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,680
And eventually they needed a a
script supervisor on set.

868
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,680
And so Beet Raven sent a guy
that was on set and and said

869
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,200
that he spoke for Beet Raven.
All through the production of

870
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,520
this movie, nobody knew who this
guy was.

871
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
And speculations always been
that it was Beet Raven, but he

872
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,160
just never introduced himself
that way.

873
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,600
And no one like to this day, no
one really knows who Beet Raven

874
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,160
was.
I just think I love it and

875
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,120
insane detail that this random
guy showed up on set and they're

876
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:10,760
like sure Beet Raven.
Sent me fun fact #2.

877
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,880
When Humphrey Bogart is killed
at the end of this movie by the

878
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,840
Banditos I.
Did not the first time I watched

879
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,080
this I was like he they like
talk about him being dead and

880
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,640
I'm like I don't remember them
killing him.

881
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
I feel like they like punch him
once and he falls down and

882
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,040
that's about it.
The reason is because he gets

883
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,440
the.
Machete out and you watch him

884
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,680
hack Bogart off screen 2 times
and the second time you'll

885
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,840
notice that they're kind of on
an embankment and the bandit

886
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,440
kind of goes like this.
And then they cut to them

887
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,640
dragging Bogart's dead body out
of frame because they filmed a

888
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,520
head rolling down into that
puddle and floating and you can

889
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,640
actually still see the water
kind of unsettled because the

890
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,800
sensors were like absolutely the
F naughty.

891
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,000
You're not going to show a head
rolling down, but yeah, they.

892
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Cut.
They cut.

893
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,080
Bogart's head off in this movie
and that would make the Moody.

894
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,920
Movie at least 32% better.
Yeah, dude. 100% Anyway, back to

895
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,920
your stupid facts that weren't
as fun as either one of those.

896
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,080
I'm gonna.
Say #1.

897
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,360
Is false just because it sounds
sensationalist.

898
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,720
We're talking about Hollywood
and America in the 1940s.

899
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,880
You probably could just bring a
Mexican kid back and say this is

900
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,120
my kid now, but I'm gonna.
Hope.

901
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960
That number one is false, Brad
number one.

902
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Is absolutely a true fact and
it's one of the main reasons

903
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,320
that he and Evelyn Keyes
divorced like a few months after

904
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,840
he moved back because he didn't
tell he did not tell her that he

905
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,600
was bringing back that's insane
He.

906
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,880
Just brought a kid.
Back from.

907
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,800
Mexico like this is our son now,
Yeah, said he didn't tell her.

908
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,360
She was like, wow, man, I'm out.
Which like, I don't know if

909
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,160
that's says something worse
about him or about about her.

910
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,240
I think I'm Team Evelyn in.
This scenario, man.

911
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,400
All right.
What was the falsehood fact?

912
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,040
#2 that the production was
nearly shut down because of

913
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Mexican officials and a poor
production or poor

914
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,520
representation of Mexico.
That was our falsehood.

915
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,720
Got it?
Which means that Walter and John

916
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,040
were smoking marijuana one night
together.

917
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,920
Listen, I that one sounded.
The most plausible of all of

918
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,000
them.
To me it's like, all right,

919
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,600
cool, like.
Very clearly Walter was smoking

920
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,320
weed this whole production.
That dude, that dude was on

921
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,880
something.
Throughout the course of this

922
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,080
movie.
All right, Brad, we've we've

923
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,760
covered quite a few bases
already when it comes to

924
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,320
Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
This is a movie that was

925
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,160
nominated for a few Oscars,
including best picture.

926
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,280
It it kind of surprisingly did
not bring up a best actor

927
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,480
nomination for Humphrey Bogart.
And I think at the time of the

928
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,960
movie's release, it was pretty
widely believed that he was like

929
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,840
the front runner for best actor.
And then he doesn't even get

930
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,080
nominated, which leads to a few
years later when he does the

931
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
African Queen.
I mean, we talked about this on

932
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,200
that episode.
He wins the Oscar for The

933
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,720
African Queen in 51, which is
the same year as Marlon Brando's

934
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,880
big breakout in A Streetcar
Named Desire.

935
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,800
And then Brando feels robbed of
an Oscar, so they give him an O3

936
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
years later in On the
Waterfront.

937
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,800
And it kind of starts this
Oscars domino effect of like

938
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,760
people winning for the movies
that they may or may not should

939
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,600
have won for.
But it's because people prior to

940
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,560
them didn't get nominated or
didn't win that 51 Oscar that

941
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,440
Bogart wins was definitely
considered more of like a career

942
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,480
achievement.
And we've seen both movies.

943
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,720
He's better in this movie.
He should have won an Academy

944
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,240
Award for this movie, if
anything.

945
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Yeah, absolutely do.
Do you know?

946
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,120
Who won?
I mean, he wasn't even

947
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,880
nominated, but like, who won
that year?

948
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
That Laurence Olivier was on

949
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,720
this tear of making Shakespeare
adaptations and so he did like a

950
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,160
Henry the Fifth and a Macbeth
and they're all three hours

951
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,320
long.
And I think this is the year

952
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,160
that one of those wins best
picture and he gets best actor

953
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,640
for it and best director like
John Houston doesn't get best

954
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,640
director for this either.
So man, that's.

955
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,240
That's wild.
I mean, I'm, I'm very glad that

956
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:32,280
Walter wins his Oscar 'cause he
he freaking deserves it.

957
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,480
I feel like this movie has such
a talent of production, like

958
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,640
it's, it's clearly produced so
well.

959
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,720
I I would have expected at least
one or two more.

960
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,720
Yeah, 100%, man.
And I think that that is like

961
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,440
when I talk to people about this
movie, which it's been 7 years

962
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,600
since I talked to anybody about
it, but like, I think the, the

963
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,360
first thing is like, watch this
movie.

964
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,240
It's a great movie.
And I think people just need to

965
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,800
get over the hump of having
never heard about it before.

966
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,120
Yeah, there's, you know, there's
such a collection of like

967
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,200
everybody's heard of Citizen
Kane and Casablanca and The

968
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,360
Godfather.
And it's like, I know I need to

969
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,720
see those at some point in my
life.

970
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,080
But that next group of movies
that are that are best years of

971
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,160
our lives or this where they
star people that you'll

972
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,640
recognize and they're just like
fun Hollywood movies that are

973
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,280
also 10 out of 10 type movies.
I get more excited recommending

974
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,360
movies like this I feel like
because they they need someone.

975
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,200
To be in their corner. 100%
that's another one.

976
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,080
Yeah, yeah, the IT feels.
Like there's a lot of really

977
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,600
great movies from this era that
are being slowly lost to the

978
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,480
mists of time.
And it it kind of it makes me

979
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
think about.
I've also, I've often wondered

980
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,880
like of all the music produced
in the 1700s, we remember like

981
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,000
Beethoven and like, you know, a
few other big composers, like

982
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,800
how many Beatles songs will be
remembered in the 22 hundreds?

983
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,600
Like, you know what I mean?
Like 2-3 hundred years from when

984
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,080
they played, how many of them
will be remembered?

985
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,040
And the same thing with movies.
Like we're 80 years past this

986
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,880
movie.
Nobody knows about it except for

987
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,520
weirdos that do a podcast about
movies.

988
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,320
So what?
Like what does it take for

989
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,680
something to stick in the
cultural consciousness for not

990
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,640
just a decade or 50 years, but
like it stands the test of time?

991
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,240
I that's just, I don't know.
That's a big rhetorical question

992
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,320
that I'm always like curious
about when I encounter media.

993
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,720
Well, Brad, I think that this.
Might team me up for a very

994
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:36,800
perfect segue because one of the
things that I think can

995
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,320
encourage people to watch this
movie is to pair it up with a

996
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,040
movie that they may have heard
of before.

997
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,080
And that gets us into our final
segment of the day, which we

998
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,120
call let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

999
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:50,480
episodes of things listening to
the film and whiskey show.

1000
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Let's pair another film with
this one.

1001
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,720
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1002
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,160
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1003
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Let's Make It a double is the
part of the show where we pick

1004
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,280
the perfect movie to pair up at
this one to make a double

1005
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,760
feature.
Brad, I'm gonna go first because

1006
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,280
I had three movies in mind and
I've mentioned two of them, so

1007
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,080
I'm I only have one left to talk
about.

1008
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,000
I do think the Red Badge of
Courage would be a sweet double

1009
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,760
pairing with this because you're
like 3 hours and then you've

1010
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,080
seen 2 movies.
I think the Kane Mutiny would be

1011
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,240
another great one.
That's maybe Bogart's best

1012
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:28,280
performance, and it's about a
ship captain in the US Navy who

1013
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,560
slowly goes insane and all of
his guys have a mutiny against

1014
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,800
him, and then there's a big
court battle at the end of it.

1015
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,480
It's like a few good men on top
of a mutiny movie.

1016
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Freaking great movie.
Yeah, I think I'm.

1017
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,160
Going to pair this up.
With Paul Thomas Anderson's

1018
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,720
There Will Be Blood, I think
that there is so much of There

1019
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,720
will be blood in this movie as a
precursor to what you see kind

1020
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,520
of develop in There Will Be
Blood Because There Will Be

1021
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,800
Blood is much more like Daniel
Plainview is an archetype for

1022
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:04,000
America and capitalism and the
war of ideals in America between

1023
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,400
greed and religion and how in a
lot of ways in the 20th century,

1024
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,000
greed wins.
And you know, it's very

1025
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,640
metaphorical.
It's very archetypal, but you

1026
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,680
see the seeds of that being
planted in this movie, and

1027
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,400
they're both just like they've
got that gritty, grimy dirtiness

1028
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,920
to them.
I think There Will Be Blood

1029
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,360
would be a perfect double
feature.

1030
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,160
Yeah, it's one that I was
thinking.

1031
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,160
About as well as I was preparing
for two for Let's Make It a

1032
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,200
Double.
I think I'm going to go a

1033
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,080
different direction from There
Will Be Blood.

1034
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,840
I'm going to stay in the older
Western genre.

1035
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,200
I'm going to stay with a movie
that has that long drawn out

1036
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,280
isolation of the West kind of
vibe.

1037
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,600
I'm going to go with 1956.
The Searchers.

1038
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,720
Yeah.
I think that there is so much

1039
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:58,880
here specifically about humans
being shaped by the conditions

1040
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,600
that they're in, by the the
circumstances that that they're

1041
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,360
in and what it takes to survive
in a harsh world.

1042
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,680
I think that The Searchers is an
absolutely excellent, relatively

1043
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,280
famous older film.
That would be for a long,

1044
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,400
gritty, fascinating evening of
of a film.

1045
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:20,960
Yeah.
And and that's another movie.

1046
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,080
About how the harsh conditions
bring out what's in the heart of

1047
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,840
man.
And John Wayne in that movie is

1048
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,280
a horrible, horrible racist who
is obsessed with vengeance and

1049
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,120
violence and death.
And you get him, like, at his

1050
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,400
most disheveled.
I think it might.

1051
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,160
It's probably John Wayne's best
performance.

1052
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,200
That's just.
Yeah.

1053
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,040
The Searchers would be another
great one, man.

1054
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,200
Yeah, dude.
I think what we're saying is the

1055
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,160
treasure of this year in Madre,
the freaking all timer.

1056
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,080
I had a blast rewatching this
again.

1057
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Brad, let's get into final
scores here.

1058
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,280
I want to hear your take first
before I give mine.

1059
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,760
I think it's.
It's close to being a perfect

1060
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,920
movie.
It's a little bit too long.

1061
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,200
I think the opening parts in
Tampico take a little while.

1062
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,640
I, like you said, you find
yourself wondering, you're like,

1063
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,320
where, where are we even going
with this?

1064
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,840
And I, I think you could, you
could tighten it up a little

1065
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,240
bit.
This could be like an hour and

1066
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,200
50 minute movie and it would
move like gangbusters.

1067
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,200
I'm going to give it a 9.5.
It's not a perfect movie, but it

1068
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,440
is an absolute blast.
It's so much fun to come back to

1069
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,240
it and it is one that I want to
like, share with other people.

1070
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,760
Yeah, I'm in the same spot I'm
going to.

1071
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Give it a nine and a half.
There was a moment that I

1072
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,400
believe you called it out the
last time we talked.

1073
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,520
And for some reason I just never
noticed it.

1074
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,480
But it's the most blatant thing
ever when when Walter Houston is

1075
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,560
getting pampered by all the
women and he like licks salt off

1076
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,240
of her hand and then he just
breaks the 4th wall and looks

1077
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,240
directly at the camera and goes.
And then they just go.

1078
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Back to the scene.
After that, like what?

1079
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,960
What?
What just happens like?

1080
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,800
It's like a looney.
Tunes character, I couldn't

1081
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,640
believe that and it was in the
middle of like a very dramatic

1082
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,280
part of the movie that they just
have this aside like Family Guy,

1083
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,520
so there's small.
Moments like.

1084
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,480
That where it's like John
Houston, I think you're trying

1085
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
to do something fun here that
was unnecessary, bro.

1086
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,000
And that'll Ding it just a
little bit for me to a 9.5 Brad

1087
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,440
dude, I'm so.
Glad that we came back to this.

1088
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Like such a blast to watch.
It's a great Sunday afternoon

1089
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,520
cable dad movie that kind of
transcends that because of the

1090
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,880
characters and the story it
tells.

1091
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,560
I, I love it man.
I'm so glad we watched it again.

1092
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,880
Yeah, me too.
Well, folks.

1093
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,320
If you've seen The Treasure of
the Sierra Madre, we would love

1094
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,720
to hear from you, or if we've
inspired you to watch it for the

1095
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,720
first time, you can let us know
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1096
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,920
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1097
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,880
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1098
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,280
And join our daily conversation
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1099
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,880
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You can find a link to our

1100
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Discord server at the end of
every single one of our show

1101
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,920
notes.
Brad, I'm going to give a quick

1102
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,040
plug for.
Our Patreon as well.

1103
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,920
We haven't talked about the
Patreon in a while.

1104
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,240
If you sign up for our Patreon
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1105
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,280
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1106
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,760
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1107
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,440
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1108
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,920
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1109
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as little as $3 a month.
Brad, we are going to be showing

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our lovely faces to our patrons
here with this episode and with

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next week's episode.
We'll be back next Tuesday as we

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get closer and closer to the end
of season #10 here, Brad, we're

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almost there revisiting another.
Of our season.

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One masterpieces.
It's the 1961 musical classic

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West Side Story.
I can't freaking wait to talk

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about that one, man, but until
then, I'm Bob Book, I'm Brad G

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and we'll.
See you next time.

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Music.