West Side Story (1961) / Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban Single Malt Scotch ft. Patrick H. Willems

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In 1961, MGM Studios gave us a
colorful mirage of dancing in

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delight that hid within it a
deeply dramatic story that

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touched the nerve of the
American public.

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In 2026 we try a whiskey
finished in pork barrels so Ruby

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red they match the hues of this
film.

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Brad.
The film is West Side Story.

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The whiskey is Glenn Moringy,
Quinta Rubin.

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And we'll review them both.
This.

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Is the film and whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
And this week, Brad, we are

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looking at a movie that I could
not be more excited to talk

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about, 1961's West Side Story.
I, I don't, I was going to try

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to like bury the lead a little
bit here, Brad.

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I don't think it's possible for
me to do that.

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Played a little, played a little
dour.

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Yeah, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to do it.

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I have to just get my feelings
on this movie out immediately

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and we can just interrogate them
as we go because.

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I I expect that you'll just
like, burst out and dance then,

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correct?
I was going to jump and reach

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for the sky as I did this, but
you know, I'm seated, So what?

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What are you going to do?
A couple years ago, the BFI

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Sight and Sound Pull was
released for this decade and for

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some reason they did not ask for
my list or input on that.

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So I was a little bummed.
But in the wake of that, there's

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a podcast out there called the
Contra Zoom Podcast, and they

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did a really cool thing where
they asked a couple 100 critics

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and podcast hosts to put their
lists in if you were going to

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give your sight and sounds list.
And the more I thought about it,

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I was like, I want to find 10
films that are representative

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not just of my love for movies,
but of like, everything I think

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cinema can accomplish.
And I got real heady.

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And like, the French New Wave
worshipped John Ford.

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Like, like, that's what I was
thinking about.

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What kind of movies could I bow
at the altar of?

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And the more I thought about it,
the more I was like, I think

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1961's West Side Story might be
one of the 10 greatest films

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ever made.
And it was a shocking conclusion

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to come to.
And then I watched it this time,

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Brad, And I am absolutely
validated and vindicated in that

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opinion.
And that's the gauntlet I'm

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throwing down for us today,
Brad.

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And if that level of enthusiasm
wasn't enough, we felt like we

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just needed to add to it.
Because for a movie as dynamic

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and just wild and awesome as
this, Bob and I can't do it just

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this alone.
So we brought our wonderful,

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incredible, outstanding friend
of the show, Patrick H Williams,

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on Patrick.
Welcome back man guys, it's a a

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pleasure to be here once again.
We're so glad to have.

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You.
This is episode #6 for Patrick.

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What?
We're gonna have to just give

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you like a 1099 here soon, man.
You've been on.

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Here a lot dude, I, I I was oh,
you know what's funny I was

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thinking about this today I, I,
I was reminded of my very first

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appearance on the show, which I
believe, correct me if I'm

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wrong, wasn't even discussing a
movie.

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It was just like an interview
about like my at the time,

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fairly brief career because I've
been coming on the show for many

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years, but I remember you guys
sent me it.

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It was like, you know,
obviously, you know, shocker to

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hear there was whiskey on the
episode and you sent me like a

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collection of it was.
I mean this is what we all

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tasted on the episode, but it
was like a a set of a few

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different whiskeys from 1 brand.
I cannot remember the brand.

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I don't expect you guys to
because you've had a lot of

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whiskey on the show, but but
they were like smaller bottles

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and and I remember one of them
was a was a barrel proof and we

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were all like, oh, wow, this is
intense when we'd like take a

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little sip of it and on my my
bar cart in my living room.

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I still have a bit left in that
bottle from the first time I was

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on the show.
Yeah, man, still there.

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I maybes still good.
Does it go bad?

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I mean, you, it takes a while,
yeah.

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But anyway, it's still it's
still there.

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I saw it there, thought of you
guys and happy to be back once

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again.
And also I I just, I just while

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you were doing the intro, I
pour.

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I opened the bottle of Glenn
Morangi Morangi.

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Do we know which one?
Glenn Moringy?

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It It's it's it's a Scotch, of
course.

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Yeah.
Come on.

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So I opened the bottle of Glenn
Moringy and I poured myself a

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glass.
Haven't tried it yet, but I will

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wait until that part of the
show.

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OK, well, thank you for teasing
it.

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It is a whiskey that we
notoriously love and the reason

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that we're drinking it today,
our listeners already know how

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much we love it.
But what we're doing this season

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of the show, it's season #10 for
film and whiskey.

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So folks, if you're new to the
show, welcome in.

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You picked a banger of an
episode to start with.

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This is the 10th season of the
show in which we are revisiting

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every movie we watched in season
#1 because we were little baby

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podcasters back then.
The audio quality is not great.

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And you know, we've come a long
way.

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We're 350 movies almost in now,
Brad.

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We've done 500 plus whiskeys.
I'd like to think that we have a

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little bit of experience under
our belts.

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So it's time for us to revisit
those initial reviews.

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May I?
And that means we get to

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revisit, please.
In Season 1, how did you select

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these movies?
Because when I was looking at

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the list of like when you sent
it over, like, hey, which one do

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you want to do?
I was like, yeah, kind of a

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random list of movies.
Yeah, it's funny you say that

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'cause it was like I made a list
of like 100 or 150 movies that I

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was like, it was like essential
movies for Brad to see.

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I think it was like 300 movies,
Bob.

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Wait, that that was it?
Movies that Brad had not seen

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that was like, that's exactly.
What it is?

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And then it was a random.org,
you know, randomize this list

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and there's season one baby.
We've talked about this because

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if it was like 2025 when we
started the podcast, we would

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have gone to ChatGPT and been
like give us the most marketable

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mix of 32 from this list and
we'll SEO friendly.

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No, Yeah, we just.
You wouldn't do that because

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you're cool.
Well, obviously.

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We in the in the words of Ice,
we keep Cooley Cool Boy and

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Brad, that is my segue into
talking about this movie today.

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We're talking about West Side
Story, a movie about which I

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have already thrown down this
gauntlet.

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We are going to get to Patrick's
thoughts on the movie, but

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before we get there, we have to
get to Brad's thoughts on the

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movie and that means it's time
for our first segment of the

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day, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plot with only 60 seconds
sticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and do your take with
this little segment that we call

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Brad explains.
Brad explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen often for the first
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Now obviously this is at least
Brad's second time seeing this

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film, seeing as we did it back
in 2019.

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Brad, it's been about seven
years since we've watched this

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movie for the podcast.
Have you experienced West Side

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Story in any capacity in the
interim?

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I came very close to watching
the Spielbergian take on it a

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few years back, but I just never
quite got around to it.

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I still want to watch
Spielberg's version.

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That was what, 21 or 22?
One, Yeah. 21, yeah.

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So I, I need to get back to it.
I I have full intentionality to

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do it.
But no, I have not returned to

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it, although I think of it
fondly often.

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Well, that's good news because I
think of it fondly often too,

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Brad, and I'm I'm holding you to
that standard now.

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Now, what this means is that you
have to break down the plot of

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this movie with full spoilers.
So folks, if you have never

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seen, listened to, heard of West
Side Story or the attenuating

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Broadway musical or the play
upon which it is based known as

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Romeo and Juliet, I would highly
recommend that you go

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familiarize yourself with all
those sources and then come back

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and join us for the rest of this
episode.

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Brad, you get 60 seconds to
spoil this movie and go.

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West Side Story is a film that
follows 2 main characters, Tony

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and Maria, as they try to
overcome the division of hatred

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that exists between Maria's
Puerto Rican family and extended

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family and Tony's Italian gang
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And at the end of it, Tony dies.
Wow.

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I am pretty sure Tony's Polish.
They call him a polock at many

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points they I.
Guess they do, but let let's be

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real on they're all portrayed.
I'm just going to say probably

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not the least problematic ethnic
crossing we get in this movie is

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that Tony looks Italian and is
presented as Polish.

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That's that's a fairly innocuous
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There's a lot more.
So they're they're white guys in

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New York who talk New Yorkie.
And I feel like culturally,

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everyone just kind of associates
that with Italian Americans.

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Yeah.
It's.

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It's kind of the.
Truth.

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Why aren't these guys wearing
wife beaters and gold chains?

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This doesn't seem.
Vigo, Vigo Mortensen from the

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Green Book.
Exactly.

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You know what, Patrick?
This might actually be a good

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place to start.
So this is obviously filmed

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mostly on sound stages, but
there's some key moments where

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they film in and around the real
New York, most notably in the

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opening montage, which starts by
helicoptering over Manhattan and

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downtown Manhattan and then
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out of Manhattan until you get
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It's all set in Manhattan.
Oh, is it the West side?

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OK.
So it's the West side of

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Manhattan?
So you so Bob, you've seen the

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Spielberg?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So do you remember it?
So the Spielberg remake, again,

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it's like, it's not like a
radical departure, but the the

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Spielberg remake makes it a
little bit more explicit about

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exactly where it's set because
the also I live in New York and

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so obviously I'm gonna be a bit
more familiar with the

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locations.
But the opening shot of the

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Spielberg version, it starts and
I promise I will not talk about

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the Spielberg one too much, but
it starts on like like a bunch

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of rubble, like a like a
building has has been knocked

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down.
Clearly there's like gonna be

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construction there.
And the camera cranes up and

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passes a sign that says coming
soon, Lincoln Center.

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Yep, this, this all takes place
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Manhattan, around 66th St.
So yeah, it, it is all in

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Manhattan.
This is basically the site of

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like like the area that was
being a lot of it being torn

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down and was going to be rebuilt
as the, you know, pretty fancy

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like Upper West Side Lincoln
Center area, which of course is

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interesting because Leonard
Bernstein, composer is so

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associated associated with
Lincoln Center.

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And so, yeah, anyway that so
basically it starts lower down

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the helicopter shots and then it
kind of goes Uptown to this

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area.
That makes a lot of sense.

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I.
I promise I will not be like the

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New York guy too much on this.
Actually, no.

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You know what throws me off,
though, too, is at one point in

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the helicopter montage, they go
over a baseball stadium.

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And I'm pretty sure that at this
point, Shea Stadium had not been

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opened yet.
And Yankee Stadium is obviously

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in the Bronx, so I'm like, I
don't know where this is or what

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stadium this is.
It's got to be 1 of, you know,

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wherever the Mets played, I
guess before Shay became a

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thing.
But who knows, man.

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Patrick, do you have any sports
related insights for us?

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I, I'm not, I'm not an expert
there.

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I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, but I, I, I
will say it.

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I, I, I do know it was a big
deal that this was one of the

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first musicals to ever like
shoot on location.

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That was just not a thing that
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yeah, a a a lot of the the the
prologue is is on location and

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looks good looks really it.
Looks real good man.

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I hear, I will say.
Though about this, go ahead,

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Brad.
My struggle was that because

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most of it is shot on sound
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those helicopter shots to the
sound stages felt very drastic

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to me.
I don't know how you guys felt

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about it, but to me it felt just
like.

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I mean the the but the first
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shots are real locations.
Oh, are they they're.

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Like the basketball court and
stuff like that where they're

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all the like the 1st 10 minutes
is basically all real locations.

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OK?
It's just that it's shot in that

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this is the thing I'm we're
gonna, you know, talk more about

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the visuals in this movie, but
it's just that like, it's that

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incredible Technicolor look
where it's just like it, it, it

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looks like it, it's just such an
incredible like movie reality

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where it's like, like, even
though it's on relocations, it

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doesn't look like real life.
But it's a thing that I was I

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was thinking about because in
the during that prologue,

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there's a lot of a lot of the
shots are like, just like middle

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of the day, like sunlight
directly overhead shots and

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generally this.
I'm so sorry to get technical

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about like cameras, like right
away on the episode.

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But but it was the thing that I
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prologue.
So with, with digital sensors

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and like digital cinematography,
digital cameras, which is what

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the majority of like movies and
TV are shot on nowadays.

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exterior day photography.
Just like if you, you look at

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any movie that comes out now and
it's like, why does every scene

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where people you look at like a
wicked and it's like, why does

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it look like garbage whenever
they go outside during the day?

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And this is, is so expensive.
And it's just a thing that that

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is the, the thing that like is
so tough with digital and, and

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you know, film is a lot more
forgiving there.

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And you look at the prologue
where it's, and it's also like

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generally in cinematography,
it's like you want, if you're

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shooting exterior day scenes,
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the morning or later in the day
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the sky, when it's directly
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It's unflattering.
It doesn't look good.

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The prologue of a Side Story
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midday sun, sun directly
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is going to look bad and it
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And a lot of it does come down
to just like the way that like

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Technicolor of the era looked.
Where it's like this is just

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this is taking the unflattering
like reality, like what it would

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look like on set.
And just like the the way these

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cameras interpret it makes it
this like magical movie reality

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with these like rich colors and
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And so that's the thing.
It's like it is shot on real

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locations in just the middle of
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This was like gritty filming at
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And it and, and we look at it
now and it's like, wow, this is

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just like just some magical
fantasy alternate reality.

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I'd, I'd be curious to hear the
thing that popped into my head

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as you were talking about that.
And you know, maybe it's the

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setting and and everything, but
I feel like do the right thing

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has a similar like.
Really.

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Bright middle of the day, but it
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and.
It well, I think.

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Like engaging.
Yeah, that's a great comparison

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point because it's this, it's
this interesting blend of

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realism and and kind of dream
like stylized sets that still

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accentuate the kind of New York
that they want to go for.

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Like it may not be exactly what
the real New York looks like,

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even though they are
incorporating real sets at some

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points.
And I think especially in that

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prologue, they do such a good
job of kind of boxing you in to

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the neighborhood that you're
going to be enclosed in.

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So like, they're kind of at one
point on top of like a trash

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heap and throwing vegetables at
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But there's this amazing shot of
Bernardo and two of the other

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sharks.
And the entire backdrop of the

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shot is like a like a tenement
building that you can't even see

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the sky.
It's just the building behind

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them.
It's one of my favorite shots in

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the history of movies.
It it's, it's one of the

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greatest images like ever put on
film.

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And, and I remember watching
like years ago watching like DVD

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extras about the making of the
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And I remember for that shot
they dug a hole in the street to

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get the camera at ground level
to get that one shot I which was

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again a thing that was not done
at the time.

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Right.
And but you look at it now, it's

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like truly like that shot.
Like I, I have the like 50th

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anniversary collector's edition
Blu-ray set which comes with a

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bunch of like, like also this
movie isn't on 4K yet, you know,

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released the 4K.
Insane.

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The the, the 20th, the 50th
anniversary was like in 2011,

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like like, but anyway, but but
it comes with like the this set

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of like like mini like posters
of the movie, like like replicas

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of like posters of like from the
time.

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And a bunch of the posters that
were produced and released

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around the world were just of
that shot.

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Like that's how iconic it is.
There's like, that shot is so

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good.
Let's make it a poster.

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Yeah.
Well, and to Brad's point, too,

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there are also these stylized
elements that get worked in

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immediately, even in that
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So the very first time that
Bernardo gets caught by a group

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of jets and you know, they chase
him off and they're making fun

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of him and you can kind of see
the rage start to boil up in

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him.
He's like in an alleyway and you

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can see the walls on either side
of him are not painted bright

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red.
And then he just spins out a

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frame and spins into a new frame
and throws his hand against the

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wall.
And it's a bright red

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background.
And it works freaking incredibly

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because it's just everything
about this movie, Brad, from the

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choreography to the way the sets
are painted to the way it's lit

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is just meant to it.
It's the one of the most

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expressionistic movies I can
imagine.

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It's everything these characters
are either internalizing or

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externalizing.
When that comes out of them, it

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spills all over the walls around
them and it's just like, here's

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the movie that you're going to
be experiencing for the next 2

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1/2 hours.
If you're not on board with

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this, if you're not on board
with gang members like plieing

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down the street and coming up
against bright red walls, you're

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in for a long 2 1/2 hours.
Get on board.

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And I just love that they kind
of throw the gauntlet down like

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that.
Yeah, I was going to say that

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even the choreography, there's
no small movement in this movie.

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Like it is all they are
literally reaching for the skies

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with almost every single
movement.

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That it is a expressive, that it
evokes deep emotion and throws

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it up against whatever the the
the canopy of this film is at

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every single moment.
I think this might be a good

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point.
Let's let's get this

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conversation out of the way.
You know, we had to do this with

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like Brokeback Mountain.
And you, you have to like set

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time aside to be like the gay
cowboy movie thing.

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You got to address it.
It's reductionistic like the

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shape of water.
It's the the lady has sex with

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the fish.
It's it's way more than that.

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And I feel like West Side Story,
the reductionistic thing about

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this is like, I can't get around
to the idea of gang members

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dancing like this.
And the more I think about it,

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first of all, like expand your
horizons a little bit, folks,

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like this is not that hard to
do.

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This is a.
Movie 2026.

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Come on, gang members can dance
too.

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But you know, Brad and I were
talking about this.

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We were texting each other
earlier.

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And Brad, you were saying that
that's still kind of a barrier

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to entry for you.
And I, I understand that.

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But I also think that there's
something about how

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expressionistic those sort of
outbursts of dance are that if

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they were doing dances that were
more realistic to the kind of

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people they are, like if they
set this movie in 2026 and these

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guys are like break dancing,
it's it's more appropriate to

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the kind of people that they
are.

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But I still don't know if it if
it exudes that sense of joy and

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openness.
And like, we own this street the

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way that Jerome Robbins
choreography does.

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Like yes, it's not tough guy
behavior, but it's actually more

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true to the characters I think.
Well, when you consider it that

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it is not what they would do,
it's the emotions of what's

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going on inside them, then like,
yeah, the dance makes sense.

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I think the first 30 minutes of
this movie felt like we were

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trying to fit a bunch of dis
disparate pieces together.

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And it comes together eventually
when the conflict really ignites

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and the The Jets and the Sharks,
when you when you realize that

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all of the bright visuals, all
of the huge choreography, all of

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the over exaggerated language
that they use is a way of

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covering up and expressing
really deep, dark, dangerous

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things that are happening.
Once that starts to come clear

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that they're actually talking
about killing each other, I

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think that's when the movie
starts to come together for me.

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And that's why the first like
opening scene when you have

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these guys who are like tough
gang members who are playing

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down the street.
It's kind of like, I don't know

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if I'm on board with this yet,
but once you get that, you get

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that realization like, oh, this
is a musical's way of saying

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these are teenagers who are
going to kill each other.

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That's when it all really
started to come together for me.

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Patrick I'm, I'm curious, you
know, because Brad said the 1st

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30 minutes were like the biggest
barrier to entry for him.

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I think for me, actually the
last bit of this movie might be

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the weakest part for me.
The very ending is incredible,

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but I think it gets a little
blocked down in in plot

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mechanics towards the end and
kind of hurtling towards that

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climate rumble.
Yeah, that.

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OK.
I was going to ask you, like, if

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there's a part of this movie
that doesn't work for you, what

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stretch might it be?
It sounds like you and I are

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kind of in the same spot here.
Yeah, I, I, I mean, I don't

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think I've I've I've actually
like given like my general take

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on the movie, which is I, I love
it so much.

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I it is this this is this is
actually my favorite musical.

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Let's go.
This is an like, so OK, here's

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here's my big take on West Side
Story.

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And then I, I was thinking about
this as I was re watching it

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today.
So you know, the, the music is

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by Leonard Bernstein.
This is you could make a, a

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strong case that this is the
greatest music written in the

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20th century.
This is just like just the music

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alone is just one of the most, I
think, staggering artistic

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achievements in the history of
mankind.

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It is just like, it is just just
the score, the, the, the like,

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the, the like the songs, every
bit of music for like 2 1/2

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hours is, I think, just one of
just like some of the best music

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of all time.
And, and so this music is, I'm

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sorry, this movie, obviously
the, you know, Broadway show

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before it.
And then the movie, The movie is

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basically a ballet set to some
of the greatest music ever

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written.
And as I'm watching it again

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today and I've seen this movie
many times, I'm thinking and,

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and I'd already just been
thinking about this recently,

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just like with like other stuff
where I'm like genuinely like,

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like there's no like objective
answer to like what is like the

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greatest achievement in cinema
or what is the point of cinema

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or anything like that?
But I what I, what I was

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thinking about a lot while
watching this is like, I think

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like one of, if not the most
significant, most important

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things that cinema does is
simply just the combination of

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movement and light and color
synthesized with music.

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And this movie does that beyond
just telling the story.

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This movie synthesizes the
greatest music ever written with

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00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,800
some of with with just some of
the most astounding capturing of

446
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440
movements and color and light of
all time.

447
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,360
And there are just multiple
sequences in this movie where

448
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,720
I'm just sitting.
And I've seen this so many times

449
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,960
before.
I'm sitting here in my living

450
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,800
room and I'm just like getting
full body chills, like coming

451
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,440
close to tears just because of
like what I'm watching and

452
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,560
hearing.
Not even because I'm like, I'm

453
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,160
so absorbed the story just just
just like the, the, the sheer

454
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,400
like sensation of of this as
like an audio like visual

455
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,440
experience.
It is.

456
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,400
It's so staggering, which is
why, and I promise I won't break

457
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520
it up too much.
It seems insane that like, I do

458
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,320
actually think the Spielberg
version is almost an improvement

459
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,920
in every way.
I think it might be even better.

460
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Oh man.
Wow.

461
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,400
I, I, I, I think, I think the,
the Spielberg movie was my

462
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240
favorite film of 2021.
I, I would periodically while re

463
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960
watching this today, I would
like finish a sequence and be

464
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960
like, OK, I'm just gonna like
pop in the 4K disc of the

465
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,680
Spielberg 1 and now watch his
prologue and I'd be like, damn,

466
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,680
yeah, his prologue is even
better.

467
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480
And I OK so.
Let me let me push back on this

468
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,280
because I I let let's get this
conversation out of the way too.

469
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,800
I want to talk just a little bit
about the Spielberg version.

470
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,480
You have to and let it lead into
a conversation about Robert

471
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,680
Wise, who I think deserves more
conversation than he gets,

472
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800
generally speaking.
So the Spielberg version for me

473
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,880
doesn't work as well as this
movie and it's damn good.

474
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080
Like it's Steven Spielberg
making West Side Story with Tony

475
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,120
Kushner writing the script.
Like, what do you come on?

476
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,520
It's going to be baseline 7 1/2
movie.

477
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Like, you can't get worse than
that.

478
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,160
I have long said that the reason
musicals aren't as good as they

479
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,720
used to be is because people
forget that the most dynamic

480
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,640
thing you can do with a camera
in a musical is to sit it still

481
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,800
and just pan or track along with
the movement of the dancers.

482
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,800
Like if you watch the old MGM
musicals, especially in, you

483
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,320
know, Academy ratio, it's like,
here you go, Gene Kelly, here's

484
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,760
a a broomstick and you're going
to dance around now.

485
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,600
And the entire number is just
like Stanley Donnan's, like, I'm

486
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,920
going to set a camera right
here.

487
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,480
We're going to kind of go like
this.

488
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,800
And we're going to go like this
and we're going to go on a

489
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,880
horizontal plane.
And that's the whole scene.

490
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,800
And there is so much emphasis on
the movement of bodies and it's

491
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,560
not being accented with hard
cuts and it's not being

492
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240
accentuated with dramatic push
insurance or swoops.

493
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,360
And Spielberg, I love the guy,
but like, he's the king of the

494
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,240
wonder.
And he's the king of like, I am

495
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,640
moving this camera and we're
exploring the space with the

496
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,320
camera.
And I think that there are

497
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,040
sometimes in in the new West
Side Story where that is like a

498
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,560
revelatory experience.
And I think that there are

499
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,720
sometimes where it actually
takes away from the dynamism of

500
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,360
the choreography.
And I also, just like Yanish

501
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Kaminsky, also love the guy.
There's something about his

502
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,560
digital cinematography.
Wait, Yanish doesn't shoot

503
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200
digitally?
Is it all film?

504
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,120
It's all film.
Well then it's.

505
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640
It's got to be the color grade
then, man, because like, there's

506
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,840
something about the way this
movie is shot that has like,

507
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,960
it's just like this patina of
artificiality that I couldn't

508
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,480
crack in a way that, like, the
61 version, which is like,

509
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,120
significantly more artificial,
draws me in.

510
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,560
I don't know what it is,
Patrick.

511
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,720
Maybe you can speak to it a
little bit, but yeah.

512
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,880
I don't.
Well, well, I mean like, like, I

513
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,040
mean, Yanish has his thing that
he does that not everyone loves.

514
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,880
I tend to love it.
I think Wes, I think the 2021 W

515
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Side Story is some of the best
work he's ever done.

516
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Where it's also, I mean, it's
similar to what we're saying

517
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760
about the original 1, where like
it's not going for realism at

518
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000
all.
But but it's like I again, I was

519
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,320
re watching sequences from it
today where just the way he like

520
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,480
blasts in like additional
sunlight, like like he's able to

521
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600
have like exterior day scenes
where people still have like

522
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,080
perfect glowing edge lights
because he has such control over

523
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,040
everything.
But I but yeah, it, it, it is

524
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,640
especially like more, it's a
more stylized look than, you

525
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,800
know, most modern movies.
But I just just again, it's,

526
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,560
it's a, it's a simple like my,
my all of my takes on the

527
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Spielberg one are largely just
like, you know, me repeating

528
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560
stuff that I feel about the 61
version as well.

529
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Where it it's just like, oh,
right.

530
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,600
In this sequence, I just
levitate because it is just so

531
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,440
staggeringly put together and
like it's, you know, I think it

532
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,840
like America in the 61 version
might be my favorite one in I

533
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560
mean it, it's my favorite song
in, in, in the film.

534
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,920
And I think this has like
probably like 6 or seven of the

535
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640
best songs ever written for a
musical.

536
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,480
But and then the Spielberg
version of America is staged so

537
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,080
differently.
Like it's outside in the streets

538
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,000
in the middle of the day.
And I, I, I and so we, it, it

539
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,160
feels so distinct, but also just
what like the like the

540
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,920
escalation of that sequence and,
and, and also his Spielberg's

541
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
ability to just know when to
hold on a wide shot of people

542
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,400
dancing, a thing that no one has
done in a musical in basically

543
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,600
in 50 years.
Is it just like, I, I, I, yeah.

544
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,080
And then also, so like, I, I
think his stage of the musicals

545
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,120
is just like staggering genius
level stuff.

546
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,400
And but then it's also like, I
think narratively the Spielberg

547
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:40,040
1 improves in in many ways over
the 61 version, whether it's

548
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,800
like just moving around some of
the songs, like the way it moves

549
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,080
up cool, the way it handles the
post rumble stuff.

550
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,840
And then also just like the way
it like it, it deepens Tony's

551
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,960
character, the way it, it gives
the Puerto Ricans like more of a

552
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960
culture and lets them speak in
unsubtitled Spanish.

553
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
It the, the way it handles like
anybody's it, it, it, it makes

554
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000
so many smart choices where I'm
just like, damn, they took my my

555
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,280
favorite musical and action and
made something that doesn't

556
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,160
because it's tough.
You can't just be like, oh, now

557
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,120
you don't need the original
anymore because this one is so

558
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,560
good.
Because what like the Spielberg,

559
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040
the Spielberg 1 is still in
conversation with the original

560
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,600
because there there's stuff in
it that's that's also like

561
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160
pretty similar.
And so you can't have that

562
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,640
without the original.
And I just, I truly love them as

563
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
like companion pieces to each
other.

564
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480
And, and I promise I will not
keep being like, well, in the

565
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Spielberg, won't they do this?
But like, but we have to talk

566
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240
about it because it is like what
it was what it was at now it

567
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440
just seemed like a psychotic
thing to do.

568
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,280
It's like this is like, you
know, like, like just everyone

569
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,840
agrees this is like one of the
top five musicals ever made and

570
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
you're going to remake it.
And also you're not going to do

571
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400
a wildly different thing.
You're not going to like, change

572
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160
the setting.
No, you're just going to kind of

573
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,480
do it again.
And, and yeah, and, and I and,

574
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760
and he did it.
And also, you know, it's good to

575
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,600
have like, a Maria that's not a
white woman in brown face.

576
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240
OK, so we will also get to that
conversation.

577
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200
I want to talk a little bit
about Robert Wise, the director

578
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,360
of this movie.
And you know, to be fair, there

579
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,560
are Co directors of this film.
So Jerome Robbins is the guy who

580
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,920
conceived, right?
Well, he he conceived of West

581
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Side Story.
He's a director and

582
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,920
choreographer on Broadway.
He brings the Broadway show to

583
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,240
life and then gets hired to Co
direct this film.

584
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,520
And apparently on set Robins
directed the bulk of the musical

585
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560
numbers and he was in charge of
choreographing them obviously

586
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,360
too.
And all the dancers say that he

587
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080
was like a a pain in the ass to
work with, but he was like the

588
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,400
best experience they ever had.
He's such a perfectionist though

589
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920
that as he's shooting these
numbers, they're getting more

590
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,280
and more over budget.
And so by the time he got about

591
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360
60% of the musical numbers shot,
he gets fired off of the movie.

592
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Robert Wise is like you're the
guy now.

593
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
You got to finish this movie
now.

594
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,239
Robert Wise to his credit brings
Jerome Robbins back for the edit

595
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,560
and they they kind of Co edit
the movie together.

596
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,840
Robert Wise gets his career
started in Hollywood as an

597
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,639
editor.
You may know him from editing a

598
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,560
little movie called Citizen Kane
in 1941.

599
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,360
Then he becomes a director of
his own.

600
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,120
He makes sci-fi classic The Day
the Earth Stood Still in the

601
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,679
early 1950s.
He makes this movie, he does The

602
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,480
Haunting in 1963, another horror
classic, and then he's like, you

603
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,560
know what?
Let's do West Side Story Part 2,

604
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440
but with a bigger budget.
We're going to make The Sound of

605
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Music now and then he makes what
may be pound for pound, the most

606
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,480
beautiful movie I've ever seen
with The Sound of Music.

607
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,159
The opening 30 minutes of The
Sound of Music.

608
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,440
There's a shot, Brad, and we
talked about it in that episode.

609
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,800
It's in the opening number where
Maria's up on the hill singing

610
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,080
the Sound of Music and she just
kind of like weaves in and out

611
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,560
of a group of trees.
And it's filmed from inside the

612
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,000
tree line.
And the trees are like in

613
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,880
silhouette, but everything
outside is not.

614
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,240
And it's like, it's like the
John Ford Searcher shot but done

615
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,760
with trees.
And it's like, I it's, it's mind

616
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,760
blowing.
And Robert Wise does not get the

617
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680
credit he deserves for some of
the visuals that he is

618
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,120
responsible for putting into the
cinema lexicon.

619
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,400
We've already talked about the
shots in this movie.

620
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,440
I just think, guys.
You know, also, Bob, you're not

621
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,840
going to leave about the the
final major installment in his

622
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,360
filmography.
Now which one's that?

623
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,280
Star Trek The Motion Picture.
Oh well, of course I forgot that

624
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
was Robert Wise.
Not even The Wrath of Khan We're

625
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,560
talking about Star Star Trek
One, baby.

626
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,840
That's, that's the, that's the
final thing where I'm like,

627
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,000
that's like a different era of
movies where he did that and

628
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,680
it's just like, it's a crazy
filmography.

629
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,800
And then you tack that on at the
end.

630
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,360
Right.
But I mean, like, how else do

631
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,280
you bookend a career that kick
starts with Citizen Kane?

632
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,200
It's got to be Star Trek The
Motion.

633
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Picture.
Well, there's.

634
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,920
There's no other way to go out.
It's just one of those things

635
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,000
where, you know, he he's like an
early precursor to people, you

636
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,720
know, like a Richard Donner or
something where it's like, yeah,

637
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,040
they they they can do kind of do
everything that they're not an

638
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,720
auteur.
You, you don't know what a

639
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,080
Robert Wise movie is, but it's
like, oh, right, this guy is

640
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,640
just a very good filmmaker and a
good storyteller and can adapt

641
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,240
his approach to the material And
and it's like, right, can make a

642
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,360
landmark horror movie, landmark
sci-fi movie.

643
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
And then two of the greatest,
most iconic, most enduring

644
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,680
musicals of all time.
Yep, to to me, I feel like, and

645
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,960
I I say this hopefully in the
best taste possible.

646
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,760
I feel like the patron St. of
that type of director is Robert

647
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Rob Reimer like.
Oh, oh, yeah.

648
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Yeah.
No.

649
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Rob Reimer, a perfect example.
Yeah, right.

650
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,520
How would you look at those
movies and be like, oh, yeah,

651
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,720
obviously the same guy, you
know, made like, Spinal Tap and

652
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:06,520
Misery.
Yeah.

653
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,240
Yeah.
Exactly.

654
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360
They share so much DNA.
Yeah, I mean, and.

655
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,360
And with Robert Wise, you know,
guys, we haven't talked about

656
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,400
the movie like the guts of the
movie at all.

657
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,280
Like we haven't talked about any
of the weird cultural issues

658
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,040
we're going to talk about.
We haven't talked about the

659
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,440
Romeo and Juliet adaptation or
really the music or any of that,

660
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,680
because I wanted to dedicate
this front part to just kind of

661
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,600
gushing about the cinematic
experience of this movie.

662
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,000
Bob, you texted me like halfway
through and you were like, Brad,

663
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,640
this is a religious experience.
It is I see that as an actively

664
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,160
religious person, Brad, like
watching this movie, Patrick

665
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,880
picked this movie and I'm so
happy that he did because he

666
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,520
made a a YouTube video a couple
years ago, a video essay that

667
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,880
was called something like what
makes a movie cinematic?

668
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,280
And it's it was about like
trying to define what it means

669
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:05,360
for something to be cinematic.
And when Richard Baymer meets

670
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,680
Natalie Wood at the dance and
they have this crazy

671
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,240
impressionistic, like everybody
else gets smudged except them,

672
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,680
they go into this ballet where
the whole thing fades to black.

673
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,600
And then he starts the Maria
number and it's it's a rear

674
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,920
projection behind him.
It's not even a set.

675
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,720
It's like a it's a it's a movie
going on behind him that is so

676
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,200
fake.
And he's clearly just walking in

677
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,280
place.
And then it fades to a a purple

678
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,400
hued New York street and then it
cuts outside to a set and the

679
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,680
whole thing is so over saturated
that these colors are just

680
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,160
bleeding into each other.
And it ends with him walking in

681
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,920
front of this like green stained
glass factory or something.

682
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,320
And it is the most euphoric,
orgasmic release of a shot.

683
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Brad.
Like, I don't know how if you

684
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,280
love movies and you watch a
scene like that, I don't know

685
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,000
how you don't like just end that
by having by needing a

686
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,560
cigarette.
It's that good, dude.

687
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Have you, Bob?
Have you ever seen this in a

688
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,040
theatre?
Yes, it was my.

689
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,240
I have not and I really really
want to.

690
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,280
They did a Fathom event of it a
couple years ago and my my

691
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,880
oldest son was like 4 years old
and we have a movie theatre 5

692
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,000
minutes from our house and I was
like this is going to be his

693
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640
first movie in the theatre and I
am going to arrange for my wife

694
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,120
to pick him up at intermission
before the stabby bits start and

695
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,360
so.
I don't believe they live

696
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040
happily ever after.
He was like, this is the most

697
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,200
fun, joyous movie.
These, I'm sure these people

698
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,720
learn how to get along, after
all.

699
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,200
But yeah, Patrick, to your
point, man, seeing it in the

700
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,920
theater is just it's next level.
I know.

701
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Well, this is the thing.
Like, I, I, I, I live in New

702
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,680
York.
We have like a million Rep

703
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,840
theaters that play like
everything all the time.

704
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,280
Like how that, that said, I'm,
I'm now flashing back to like,

705
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, you see of the, of the

706
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,840
moving image definitely like has
played this on 70mm and I just

707
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,480
missed it.
But I it, it, it, I mean, it's

708
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,720
one of those things it's like it
like if you live in New York and

709
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,120
like you haven't seen like
Lawrence of Arabia on 70, it's

710
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,960
like, don't worry about it.
It'll it'll play again in six

711
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,000
months.
Like you know you're going to

712
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,600
see it eventually.
Brad I'm curious because I don't

713
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,000
think I could have talked about
like the cinematic experience

714
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,440
this way when we started this
podcast.

715
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,680
It's one of those things, you
know, I, I grew up in a

716
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Pentecostal church and they used
to talk about the Holy Spirit

717
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,280
and how to explain it to people.
And one, I remember one guy,

718
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,040
his, his patented phrase was
it's better felt than Telt.

719
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,040
And I think that that is like a
perfect way of explaining the

720
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,880
cinematic experience.
Like, I don't really know how to

721
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,800
explain something being
cinematic.

722
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160
And then it's like you watch
West Side Story and it's like

723
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
you get it now.
I was going to say, you can't

724
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,000
describe Gandalf and Amer riding
down the hill with the blast of

725
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,600
light and defeating the Urakai.
You have to experience it like

726
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,440
that's that is cinema.
And and I'm with you, man, West

727
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Side Story has it in spades.
And like I said, it's once you

728
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,680
pair the audaciousness of the
movie with the emotional depth

729
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,960
of like what's actually
happening within the story, that

730
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
once you kind of pair those two
things together, this movie

731
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,800
falls into that like Golden
Valley of Capital C cinema in a

732
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,760
way that you just sit back
afterwards and you're like, man,

733
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,200
I just had nachos.
I just had sex.

734
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,120
I'm about to have nachos.
It's the best thing in my life.

735
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,760
This is this is weirdly the
second time in a week I have

736
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040
heard people bring up that part
in the movie.

737
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,520
What if a movie that most people
I think doesn't forget exists?

738
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember.

739
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,440
Those.
That's one of those moments that

740
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,480
you're like Adam drivers going
places.

741
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,160
I don't know where he's going,
but.

742
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,720
He's the man.
Do comedy again.

743
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Line reading of the century.
Brad, we, we are due for a break

744
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,280
here in a minute and I think
this is the best time to get

745
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,240
this little tidbit out because
there's really going to be no

746
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,000
other appropriate time.
You mentioned Lord of the Rings.

747
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680
We just released an episode
folks, on the Lord of the Rings

748
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,200
25th anniversary.
So I'd love for you to go back

749
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,600
and listen to that after this
one.

750
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
There is a connection, Brad, to
West Side Story.

751
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,080
OK, if you remember the dance at
the gym and the real goofy

752
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,960
looking guy that comes out and
he's like, all right, boys and

753
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,520
girls.
That man's name is John Astin,

754
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,560
who would go on to be Gomez
Adams in The Addams Family and

755
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,040
more importantly to sire Sean
Astin, also known as Sam Wise

756
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,720
Gamji.
So Sean Astin's dad makes an

757
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,320
appearance in West Side Story.
Brad.

758
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,840
We we didn't talk about this in
Lord of the Rings at all.

759
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,320
I still just can't get the idea
out of my head.

760
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,280
That said, the man who played
Sam Wise Gamji, also played the

761
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,360
brother in 501st dates where
he's where?

762
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,760
Sorry, 50. 500 is way too many
first dates.

763
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,840
We just reviewed 500 Days of
Summer.

764
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,840
I think it was in my, it was in
my brain.

765
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,840
Did you do a A season on just
like number movies?

766
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,800
That's a great idea.
That should be the next one.

767
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,320
We'll do 51st dates and then
300.

768
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,560
It'll be great.
Yeah, just do them in escalating

769
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,160
like like.
Numerical order, yeah.

770
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,400
I mean, look, you know, you've
got now like 428 Blank Slater

771
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,600
movies, so you have a lot to
work with.

772
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,360
Yeah, we'll we'll have to end
with Bob's favorite movie of all

773
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,000
time, 2001 A Space Odyssey.
Yes, Yeah, yeah.

774
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600
Perfect.
All right, Brad, I think it is

775
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,760
time for us to get to a break
and I, I don't mean to rush us

776
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,920
into one here, but I am super
excited to drink this whiskey.

777
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,640
So what do you say we take a
trip over to Scotland and try

778
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,240
some Glenmorengy?
Bob, I'm so excited that I've

779
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,680
already drank my entire glass
so.

780
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,880
Let's get to it.
Let's get to it, man.

781
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,560
All right, so today we are
returning to one of our all time

782
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,440
favorite whiskeys on this
podcast.

783
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,920
Brad and I, I know I'm I'm
giving it a high bar to measure

784
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,600
up to, but back in 2019, we were
working our way through a

785
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,960
sampler pack of small bottles of
Glenn Moringy.

786
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Because let's be honest, our
budget for this podcast was

787
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,400
zero.
And we're like, look, a sample

788
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,320
pack that's four weeks of
whiskey right there.

789
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,160
And so we worked our way through
the Glenn Moringy lineup and in

790
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,120
the 3rd, I believe the third one
we tried was the Glen Moringy

791
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Quinta Ruben 12 year.
Now this is a Scotch whiskey

792
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,320
that is finished in Ruby port
casks.

793
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,840
And at the time it was a 12 year
Scotch.

794
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,400
It has since been replaced with
a 14 year age statement.

795
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,160
And Brad, I don't think we've
gotten back around to trying the

796
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,360
14 year.
So I'm really excited to dive

797
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,200
into this and see, you know,
just based on our memory, does

798
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,480
the two extra years of aging
before the finishing in Ruby

799
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
port casks help this a little
bit now?

800
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Just really briefly, Brad, what
are your, what are your

801
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,560
recollections of Kinsa Reuben?
Oh my gosh.

802
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,880
The, the big thing I remember
was that it cost like $52 back

803
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,080
in the day.
And it felt like it was the

804
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,920
absolute best value in the world
of whiskey because it, it was

805
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,240
very approachable.
It had a lot of really nice

806
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,680
honey flavors.
It had a little bit of that

807
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,840
raisiny grape influence from the
port and at the price it was at

808
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,560
for a well aged Scotch, I just
remember being blown away.

809
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,320
Now I do have one bit of bad
news for you Bob, but I'm very

810
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,040
disappointed.
I was looking on the Glenmorengy

811
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,840
website today and in the four in
the little 4 pack it had like

812
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:15,440
the regular 12 year the the
Kintoruben and it also had the

813
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
nectar.
Do you remember what it was

814
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,760
called, Bob?
Well, well, a French speaker

815
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,400
like you, Brad, would call it
the nectar.

816
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,600
Duh.
Glen Moringy has officially

817
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,240
changed the name of Nectar to
the Nectar.

818
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,600
No. 100% gold.
Yes.

819
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960
It's not golden nectar dude.
That's 100% because of you.

820
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,440
They got so mad at you
butchering the French language

821
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
that they were like, we're just
changing the name of this.

822
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,840
Probably.
No, while we're butchering

823
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,720
things, Brad, I falsely
remembered that this was

824
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,600
finished on Pedro Jimenez Sherry
casts, which I think is a that

825
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,000
might be the La Santa that does
that.

826
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,040
And I was going to make some
some comparison about how, you

827
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,760
know, this represents the
melding of of cultures the same

828
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,400
way that West Side stories
should have.

829
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,760
And that's not even true because
this is Ruby Port we're looking

830
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,200
at today.
Now, Patrick, you're going to

831
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,600
join us for this review today.
I think this is at least the

832
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,360
second time you've tried whiskey
with us.

833
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480
I know that you are partial, I
mean, to all kinds of whiskey,

834
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,160
but you're historically an Irish
whiskey drinker.

835
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,000
I mean where?
Are you at on Scotch?

836
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,080
That's mostly.
Loyalty toward my people.

837
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,760
Sure, sure.
Yeah, I'm not actually saying

838
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,840
it's superior to Scotch.
I, I, you know, I, I, I love

839
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,840
not, not like I, I love plenty
of bourbons and scotches and

840
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,320
Japanese whiskeys and yeah.
Is is what you're trying to say

841
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,600
is I love Scotch.
Scotchy Scotch.

842
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,440
Scotch, Scotch, Scotch, Scotch
into my belly.

843
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,600
Yeah, Yeah, I think.
I think that's what I'm saying.

844
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,440
All right, so guys, let's dive
in here.

845
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Glenn Moringy is a Highland
Scotch whiskey.

846
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,320
Now there are many, many Scotch
producing regions, five major

847
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,720
ones, but we typically think
that space side Scotch is kind

848
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,760
of the most delicate and and
floral.

849
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,160
And then if you kind of want to
step one step up in intensity,

850
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,480
you go to the Highland region.
There's a little bit more of

851
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,680
that kind of like char ashiness
at the back of it.

852
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,160
You get a little bit of that
kind of burn.

853
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,520
It's not obviously it's not
peated the way that Isla Scotch

854
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,160
would be.
And so it's a nice kind of

855
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,760
middle ground entry point region
into drinking Scotch.

856
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,640
And this one being finished on
port is going to have a ton of

857
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,760
that sweet character too.
Brad, we've already given a few

858
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400
nosing and tasting notes on
this, but let's go ahead and

859
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,440
dive in in earnest.
What are your nosing notes on

860
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,360
the Quinta Reuben The.
The nose for me has all sorts of

861
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,520
just really nice fruit flavors
going on.

862
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,440
It's got a bit of a Peach vibe.
There's a lot of raisins that I

863
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
think you're getting because of
the poor influence.

864
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,120
It has like a honey drizzle that
I really like.

865
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,680
And then the longer I spent with
it, it reminded me of like, not

866
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,360
a nutty, but like a milk
chocolate covered toffee.

867
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,440
That just was a really, really
beautiful note for me.

868
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,920
I, I still love this Bob.
It's a nine out of 10 on the

869
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,960
nose.
Yeah, dude, sometimes when I'm,

870
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,840
when I'm nosing whiskey it, I
try to pair it with like mental

871
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,240
images.
And there's like 2 movie related

872
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:32,680
images that this brings up to
me.

873
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,040
And one of them is like the very
beginning of Walt Disney's

874
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Pinocchio when Jiminy Cricket
like takes 1 coal out of the

875
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400
fire to warm his ass with.
And there's just this, like

876
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,760
there's just this deep amber
glow to that coal.

877
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,840
And it's like, that's the amber
that's in the nose of this.

878
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,360
It's that.
And it's like the Jurassic Park

879
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,520
mosquito is like that's the,
that's the amber I'm getting on

880
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,920
this, man.
It's, it's just so rich and

881
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,040
decadent.
There's toffee there.

882
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,240
There's definitely some dark
stone fruit like a plum, prune,

883
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:11,280
Raisin going on.
It's just like you're imagining

884
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,720
these kind of cascades, cascades
of like butterscotch that are

885
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,440
going to come off of this.
It's a 9 1/2 out of 10 for me,

886
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,240
Brad.
You just pulled from the

887
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:27,960
recesses of my latent memory a
childhood image of Pinocchio.

888
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Jiminy crickets, ass.
That's my nose on this whiskey,

889
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,760
Patrick.
It's over to you now, man Jesus

890
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Christ.
So look, guys, I, I talk about

891
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,360
movies professionally.
I don't talk about whiskey

892
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,560
professionally.
This is I'm just feeling now

893
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:54,040
like anytime I have done like I
like a wine tasting are like a

894
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,920
like, you know, fresh brewed
coffee tasting where I'm like, I

895
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,600
don't, I don't know how to talk
like my, I, I am just not

896
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,920
trained at at, at like at
reading my palate or even now my

897
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,080
just like my, my sense of smell
and interpreting and and being

898
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:21,400
able to articulate it.
I will say I, I generally agree

899
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,560
with everything you guys are
saying.

900
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,320
I did, you know, I've got that
there.

901
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,640
There is definitely the sort of
like, you know, warm amber

902
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,320
feeling from from that there
There is the sort of like like

903
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:41,360
the slight like fruity honey
scent, but I have nothing to to

904
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,640
like original to contribute to
this.

905
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,480
I am so bad at this.
Why did I ask?

906
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,280
Well, here's the here's the
whiskey part too.

907
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
I guess there's.
One way that I would, I would

908
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,880
encourage you to do this,
Patrick, is just you've tried

909
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Scotch before.
Yeah.

910
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Let's let's map this on a one to
10 in relation to the other

911
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,760
scotches that you've tried.
And like, is it approaching the

912
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,720
upper levels of that or is it
like somewhere in the middle?

913
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,440
What?
What?

914
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Are are are we talking just the
nose right now?

915
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,840
Just the nose for now.
Yep.

916
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,920
I'm also, it's funny, I I
haven't, Yeah, I'm usually, I

917
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,720
feel like I I usually keep like
either Irish whiskey or bourbon

918
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,920
stocked in my apartment.
I'm not not you.

919
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,560
I don't have like a go to
Scotch, although that said it

920
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,760
might be this one now but I'm
just.

921
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,800
Expanding your horizon.
Yes, I will.

922
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,720
You know what I'm going to say,
Nose.

923
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:40,040
I'm going to go with 8.5 out of
10 because I don't feel

924
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,080
comfortable going higher than
that because I'm like what am I

925
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,480
talking about?
That's a fair and risk averse

926
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,720
number.
I like it, Brad.

927
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,880
Let's let's jump into the taste
here 'cause this thing is just

928
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,400
freaking phenomenal.
Yeah, I I'm, I'm sticking at a

929
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,000
nine out of 10 on the pallet.
For me, this is like a light

930
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,680
roast coffee.
The honey sticks around the the

931
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Peaches almost turns a little
bit more stone.

932
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,600
I don't know, the flavor
transforms into like a pear vibe

933
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,640
for me.
It's a little less sweet and a

934
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,040
little more out of whatever.
It's not savory, but whatever

935
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,560
pear is more of than Peach,
that's what it is, Patrick.

936
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,200
I also don't always do so nice
with my words.

937
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Brad, I think, I think you're
doing very well.

938
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,920
Oh, thank you so much.
And but there is a nice gentle

939
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,320
sweetness to this that reminds
me of like a fresh simple syrup

940
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,680
that you just made off the
stove.

941
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:45,560
So this like has a really
pleasant, not overpowering, but

942
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,800
just a good pleasant envelopes
you in the warmth of its

943
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:54,720
niceness kind of palette that
I'm I'm at a nine out of 10

944
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,840
again on.
Yeah, I'm going to be at a 9 1/2

945
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,400
again.
Like, I don't think that this is

946
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,760
the most complex whiskey we've
ever tried, Brad, but it is like

947
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,880
right down the middle.
It's perfect for someone that's

948
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,200
just getting into Scotch because
it's got a ton of sweetness to

949
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,200
it.
And and the fruit notes that are

950
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,560
there.
It's kind of like, you know,

951
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,320
like when you're eating a plum
or an app or any kind of stone

952
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,280
fruit and you're trying to get
flesh off of the seed at the end

953
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,680
and it's just a little bit more
bitter than the rest of the

954
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,680
flesh.
It kind of reminds me of that.

955
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,720
Like I get notes of apricot
here, but it's not super

956
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,720
decadent or like super sickly
sweet apricot.

957
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,680
It's it's dark stone fruit.
I get a little bit of red wine

958
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,480
on this, obviously.
And then there's just a few

959
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,680
waves of I get butterscotch
here.

960
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,120
I get the, you know, like if
you've ever had not like

961
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,840
chocolate covered nuts or, or
fruits, but like the yogurt

962
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
covered ones.
Yeah, it reminds me of that a

963
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,480
little bit.
And I really do like that.

964
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,040
There's like that layer of like
fattiness to it.

965
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,560
It's freaking good, man. 9 1/2
for me.

966
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,560
Patrick, how you feeling about
the about the actual palate, the

967
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,040
taste, the experience?
It's really it, it's it's really

968
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,840
nice.
There is like it's sweet, but

969
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,400
not too sweet.
It's smooth, but not too it's it

970
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,320
still has like a bite to it.
It's still, it's like, you know,

971
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:16,880
it's like you've had like a
spoonful of, of hot soup that is

972
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,680
just not too hot.
So like you're still at like,

973
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,960
oh, wow.
I'm like, yeah, I'm like feeling

974
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,800
like it like in my whole head,
but it's not uncomfortable.

975
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,560
And so, so, so it, it makes you
like not want to rush it, but

976
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,480
then just actually sit and kind
of like savor each like, you

977
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,120
know, each sip thinking about
the, the flavors you're

978
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,840
experiencing.
Again, like Bob, I don't the way

979
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,920
the, the language you used to
describe that.

980
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,760
And, and again, I, I like you're
saying, I'm like, Oh yeah,

981
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,880
that's, that's pretty good.
I never in a million years would

982
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,360
I have thought of like, you
know, fattiness our our stuff

983
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,840
like.
I Patrick, I look at you and I'm

984
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,760
like, I see a guy that's never
weighed more than $1.60 and

985
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,160
really I'm more than I.
I'm just saying you, you've got

986
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,600
very thin and athletic built.
I got to.

987
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,880
Dig deep into like my fat guy
history and I pulled notes from

988
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,600
like all the candies I ate when
I was a kid and like I there's

989
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,400
an encyclopedic memory of fruit
by the foot and stuff like it's,

990
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,000
it's OK, man, I get it.
No, it's like, I, I like food, I

991
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,880
cook and all of that.
I will say I'm just amazed that

992
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,800
like, wow, the image I'm giving
is, is weighing under 160 lbs

993
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,360
because I, you know, I don't, I,
I'm like, I'm like, I haven't

994
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,520
weighed.
I haven't weighed 160 since I

995
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,120
was to be clear, I weigh.
Is that weird?

996
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,240
I shouldn't talk about my weight
on like publicly.

997
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,000
It's OK.
Now I weigh like in.

998
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Any case?
Yeah, OK.

999
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,960
But yeah, but Brad, I'm
basically I've been in the one

1000
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,600
65170 range since I was like 17
and.

1001
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,440
It's never.
And listen, you guys, you guys

1002
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,200
look great.
Thanks in any case.

1003
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,880
Bob, so do.
You, Patrick.

1004
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,200
And you're also thank you so
much and, and the, the, the, the

1005
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,560
lighting and everything, it's
like it's really working for

1006
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,520
you.
Thank you so much, man.

1007
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,200
What's your score and the taste
here, Patrick?

1008
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,680
I love this episode guys.
I just gotta say it.

1009
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,040
Taste.
I'm smashing that 9 button baby.

1010
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,760
9 button.
All right, Brad, finish.

1011
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,680
I'm gonna, I'm gonna breeze
through this a little bit here.

1012
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,320
I still think it's darn good.
It's long lasting.

1013
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,440
It doesn't tip too bitter for
me.

1014
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,080
You definitely get a little bit
of that.

1015
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,360
Sort of like Scotchy.
What's the word like

1016
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,920
unsweetness?
Like it's not bitter.

1017
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,200
It's just like it.
It's it's a herbaceous,

1018
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,800
herbaceousness for sure.
I don't know that it's a huge

1019
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,240
drop off from the other parts of
the experience, but I think if I

1020
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,480
had to pick one of these three
categories that's the weakest,

1021
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,360
it's this one.
I'm still going to give it a

1022
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,680
nine man.
This is just like a Scotch that

1023
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,240
was genetically engineered in a
lab for my palate.

1024
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,120
Yeah.
Can I say a thing that's been

1025
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,680
interesting about the experience
of drinking?

1026
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,120
It is remind me of where you
guys are.

1027
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,800
Ohio.
Ohio, right?

1028
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,600
How cold is it in Ohio right
now?

1029
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,240
It's.
Getting bitter.

1030
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,960
It's like like 9��.
We're literally on the cusp of

1031
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,480
like a 2 foot downfall of yeah
it's a new wild.

1032
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,960
We're not going to get that much
snow, but like, it's got like

1033
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,640
today it's cold tomorrow it's
going to be brutally cold And

1034
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,520
then Sunday is our big snow day,
which I'm, I'm like, you know,

1035
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600
if we bring 6 inches, we'll be
lucky.

1036
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,800
I, I, I would love 2 feet, but,
but basically I, I, I went out

1037
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,000
to like run some errands, like
in the neighborhood, you know,

1038
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,080
walking around like shortly
before I came on to do this and

1039
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,280
I realized when I'd, when I
would sip the whiskey and I was

1040
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,200
like, oh, just being outside for
a bit, basically like chapped my

1041
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,320
lips.
And so each sip of this has like

1042
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,400
my, my top lip just like
buzzing.

1043
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,400
Not, it's not painful, but I'm
just like, it is.

1044
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,400
It has been a physical
experience where I'm just we're

1045
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,880
like, that is a major part of
each sip of this whiskey just

1046
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,880
due to coming in from the cold.
So, yeah, so that it's hard to

1047
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,480
separate that part out because
that would normally be it all.

1048
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Right, Brad and Patrick, this is
going off the rails.

1049
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,080
We need a score on the finish
here.

1050
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,760
Where are we out on the finish?
Finish.

1051
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,440
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go with an 8.5.

1052
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,920
Dude, 8.5 for me it's it turns
into a little bit of like a sour

1053
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,400
tart cherry.
The pear sticks around, there's

1054
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,440
barley.
It gets for me, the fattiness

1055
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,520
comes through on the finish.
It turns into like a little bit

1056
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:55,360
of a salted butter. 8 1/2 I
think balance wise I'm actually

1057
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,720
going to drop down just a little
bit.

1058
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,840
I'm going to say this is an 8
out of 10 balance and that like.

1059
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,680
The reason it comes up that high
is because I think it it takes

1060
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,720
all the flavors it's shooting
for and nails it.

1061
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,800
The reason it's not any higher
is because it's not a very

1062
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,040
complex Scotch.
Like we've had some wild

1063
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,920
scotches that give you the whole
panoply of experience.

1064
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,240
This one is not that, but in a
very good way.

1065
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,560
So I think I'm at an 8 out of 10
on balance.

1066
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
Yeah, balance is hard because
when you're only doing like one

1067
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,400
or two notes, I feel like you
can artificially inflate your

1068
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,960
balance score because it's like,
Oh yeah, I picked those notes up

1069
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,200
all the way through.
And and that's great because you

1070
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,080
don't get that sort of roller
coaster variance that we get

1071
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,040
sometimes, Brad, you know, from
the nose to the taste to the

1072
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,160
finish.
I do think that this is not a

1073
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,240
super complex whiskey, but I
also think that it's like what

1074
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,960
it's doing, it's damn good at.
And I still think I'm going to

1075
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,480
be at a nine out of 10 on this.
Yeah.

1076
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,080
I, I, I think I'm going 8.5
again, just being conservative

1077
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,240
because I'm like, you know, I
don't want to go too high and

1078
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,480
then try 20 more whiskeys and be
like, shit.

1079
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,080
I I really.
Felon score haunts me, I know,

1080
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,920
but.
But it but it really is.

1081
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,200
It's just like, like I've just
been sitting here just sipping

1082
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,520
away on it and it's just like,
it is like it feels like rich

1083
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,720
and sweet and each one is
satisfying.

1084
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,600
And the more I drink it, the
more I'm less like, yeah, I

1085
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,840
will.
Once I finish this bottle, I

1086
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,880
will buy more.
Yeah.

1087
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,840
Oh, it is crushable.
This, this is the thing.

1088
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,400
That's why I have to come back
on this podcast all the time.

1089
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Because like the other times
when you guys have like sent me

1090
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
a whiskey, I've gotten like
hooked on it.

1091
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,000
Like when you sent me the
Sexton, I was like, oh, I like I

1092
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,800
got my mom into that.
Let's go.

1093
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,200
Yeah, now whatever.
I visit my parents, they've got

1094
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,600
a bottle there at their place.
Well, here's another one that

1095
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,040
you can introduce your parents
to.

1096
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,920
And Brad, that gets us into into
the value score.

1097
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,880
Now we always judge value by
what we can buy this for in the

1098
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,200
state of Ohio, mostly because
Ohio is a state controlled

1099
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,160
liquor Bureau.
So they set the price and then

1100
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,720
that's the price it is across
the state, which is great.

1101
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,920
You don't have like super high
markups from store to store.

1102
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,960
So Brad, what is this retailing
for in the state of Ohio?

1103
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,800
This is retailing for $69.99.
Wow, OK.

1104
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,320
Which is a down a little bit.
It had gotten up to like, I

1105
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,440
think the last time I saw it, it
was like $77.

1106
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,280
Yeah.
It was like $80, which is is

1107
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,160
pushing the upper limits of what
I would pay for this.

1108
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Yeah.
So you said it's at what is it

1109
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,920
now, 68?
70 dollars $70 Yep.

1110
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,960
This is an 8.5 out of 10 on
value for me Brad.

1111
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,720
I like I was ready to come down
if it was in the 80s range but

1112
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,960
like for 70 bucks I can't think
of many this is. 70 bucks in

1113
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:59,640
Ohio I I just searched for this
on Uber eats and I can get it

1114
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,760
delivered to my apartment for
65.

1115
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,280
Yeah, there you go, man.
Let's go in New York City,

1116
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:13,560
famously an expensive place.
Yeah, Now I will say, Bob, one

1117
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,720
of my favorite things to do,
especially with older films, is

1118
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,160
whenever they mention a dollar
amount, I immediately go to

1119
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:28,240
inflation calculator and look up
like, how much is George Bailey

1120
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:35,360
going to make if he takes this
offer from Potter and I every

1121
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,440
year?
I'm like, babe, that'd be like

1122
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,040
him going from making 58,000 a
year to 350,000 a year and she

1123
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,880
puts up with it and is like,
what?

1124
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,320
That's crazy.
In 2019 when we first priced

1125
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,520
this out it was $52.
Do you know what $52 in 2019

1126
01:03:54,520 --> 01:04:00,600
could is is inflated to?
Today I do $6068.

1127
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,920
What so it really has not risen
at all that which is great to

1128
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,760
hear.
I mean it's, it's adjusted with

1129
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,680
the market.
Yep, I, I was.

1130
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,600
I was very happy to see that.
I I'm with you, man.

1131
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,200
I think this is just a stunning
value in the world of Scotch.

1132
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,720
It like that part of you that
wants things to be as cheap as

1133
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,240
they used to be.
Still, I'm like, oh, we had $52.

1134
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,440
That was a great price.
I actually have a great memory

1135
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:35,920
the morning that we unknowingly
at the time, the morning that we

1136
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,800
were going to have our second
child, that evening, my wife

1137
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,320
went into labor, a buddy of mine
texted me and was like, hey, I

1138
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,480
found a bottle of Quinta Rubin
on sale for $48.

1139
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,080
Do you want 1?
And I was like, yes, I want that

1140
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,920
bottle of Quinta Rubin.
And that's the last bottle of

1141
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,120
Quinta Rubin that I bought.
And so I still feel very proud

1142
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,000
that I bought a bottle for $48
the day that my the day before

1143
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,480
my second child was born.
Have you told your child about

1144
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,320
this?
I haven't.

1145
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,560
I should my my mother hates
this.

1146
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,680
But my kids will see me taste
whiskey and take notes and stuff

1147
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,880
and they always ask to smell it.
So I'm always like, yeah, sure

1148
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,880
you can smell the whiskey.
My 5 year old will smell like,

1149
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:28,960
you know, smells like apples.
Have they ever asked to try it?

1150
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,720
I I have very clearly from the
start been like this is a daddy

1151
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,720
drink.
Oh yeah.

1152
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,960
And we don't.
It's the thing where like, I

1153
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,120
remember when I was maybe like
12, I think, oh, it was like on

1154
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,560
New Year's Eve, my family was
going over to like a friend's

1155
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,000
house and, and, and one of the
people there was Scottish and

1156
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,120
they were like, oh, as you enter
the house, you know, like have

1157
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,720
you have a sip of Scotch.
And my parents were like, yes,

1158
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,520
it's, it's a sip.
The kids can do it.

1159
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,520
And, and I remember having that
sip when I was like 12 years old

1160
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,280
and being like, this is a
horrible.

1161
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,360
This is.
The.

1162
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,920
Worst thing in the world, who
would ever want to drink this?

1163
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,600
And let me tell you, for several
years, like I was in no rush to

1164
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,480
to be like swiping Scotch from
the liquor cabinet.

1165
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,200
I would, I would, I would tell
people like whiskey is the most

1166
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,600
repellent substance known to
man.

1167
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,560
It should be illegal to drink
that it's so bad.

1168
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,720
So I'm just saying if you, I
don't know.

1169
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,880
Here.
Here we are a few decades later.

1170
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,920
Yeah, Also as not a parent, I'm
not going to be like, hey, yeah,

1171
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,160
give your kids some alcohol.
Yeah, it'll be fun.

1172
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,760
It'll it'll teach them good
lessons.

1173
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,680
Yeah.
I'm I I will say nothing.

1174
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,640
I'm just saying that was a thing
that I experienced as a child.

1175
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,440
My, my kids will ask me when
they can have it and my wife

1176
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,800
will be like, you know, when
you're like 16 to 18 and I'll be

1177
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,800
like, you know, like when you're
12 or so.

1178
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,520
And here's the thing.
Chances are at 12, they're not

1179
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,200
going to like it.
Amen.

1180
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,400
Goddess, there are certain times
where the conversation gets off

1181
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,840
the rails a bit.
And I think to myself, is this

1182
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,080
Patreon content or is this the
world doesn't need to know that

1183
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,520
Brad's giving his kids whiskey
at 12 contents, And I'm really

1184
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,400
toeing that line right now.
So I think perhaps what we

1185
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,480
should do is let's get Patrick's
score on the value and then

1186
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,640
we'll give our final scores
here.

1187
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:36,600
On the value boys, I'm I'm going
with A9 seeing, seeing the like,

1188
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,880
oh, in, in, in a, you know,
expensive ass New York City.

1189
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,160
I can get this for 65 bucks.
I'm yeah, oh, I'm, I'm going to

1190
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,240
get more of this.
Cheaper cheaper than the Midwest

1191
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,200
prices.
So I I.

1192
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,560
Like what's going on there?
Nothing.

1193
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,840
Nothing is cheaper here.
The cost of living is the only

1194
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,040
thing we had on you guys and now
we've lost that.

1195
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,000
It's unbelievable.
Haha yeah, it Zoron's New York

1196
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,960
has already taken effect.
This this this only changed in

1197
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,880
the last three.
Weeks, right, exactly.

1198
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:18,560
All right, Brad, I am coming out
to a incredibly high 45.5 out of

1199
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,319
50 on this bad boy.
Now for some context, the 35 out

1200
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,399
of 50 mark is where we typically
would start giving something a

1201
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,640
thumbs up and like a soft
recommendation.

1202
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,880
If you hit a 40, it's kind of a
no brainer. 45 is rarefied error

1203
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,080
around here.
And yes, it's it's boosted by

1204
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,880
the value score for sure.
But I just think all around, I

1205
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,640
cannot think of a better kind of
like starter Scotch for somebody

1206
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,120
to get into if you are looking
to get into Scotch like stamp of

1207
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,960
approval on this one for sure.
Absolutely, If you really want

1208
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:58,040
to get in in the most cost
effective way, go buy Monkey

1209
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Shoulder.
It's like 35 bucks.

1210
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,680
It's a blended Scotch.
It is delicious.

1211
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:07,240
If you want to get into the
single malt world, though, that

1212
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,439
there's nothing better than
Kinto Reuben.

1213
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,920
I am coming out to a 42 out of
50, which still is like I, I

1214
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,439
don't know about maybe 15% of
our whiskeys that we review come

1215
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,120
out to a 40 or higher.
Yeah.

1216
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,160
Like.
It's not a lot, so for me this

1217
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,960
still stands up as one of the
absolute best whiskeys we've

1218
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,439
had.
It is one of the absolute best

1219
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,920
introductory scotches.
This is 2 thumbs up all around.

1220
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,760
Patrick, where are you coming
out?

1221
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:46,240
I end up with a 43.5, which is
again, I'm on the lower end only

1222
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:51,640
because I'm being conservative,
being I, I, I would call myself

1223
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,520
a, a moron when it comes to
whiskey, an enthusiastic moron.

1224
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,960
And so this is me being like, I
think this is.

1225
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,320
Great.
Diet, but I will never go up to

1226
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,320
like an educated whiskey
connoisseur and be like, this is

1227
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,520
the best thing you're ever going
to drink because I probably, I

1228
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,200
don't know what I'm talking
about, but I'll just say I

1229
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,520
personally likes this a lot.
We have had whiskeys that cost

1230
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,440
thousands of dollars.
That are.

1231
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:25,320
Delicious.
And I think that you you go

1232
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,000
through like, the bell curve of
like, pretentiousness when you

1233
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,920
get into something like drinking
whiskey and you want to, like,

1234
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,200
chase the expensive bottles.
And then on the other side of

1235
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,280
it, you're back to drinking the
stuff you drank when you

1236
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,960
started.
And you're like, oh, yeah, this

1237
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,240
$50 bottle of Scotch is, is all
I want to drink anymore.

1238
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,040
And maybe you appreciate it more
now.

1239
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,840
Yeah, 100.
Percent, you really do.

1240
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,920
Yeah.
So you've gotten.

1241
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,160
Like happy as a.
Sponsor on this show, right?

1242
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,960
Oh, absolutely.
Season.

1243
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,040
Two, we had a we had a few
friends send.

1244
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,720
Us a bunch.
Of there's a fancy lineup of

1245
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,680
whiskey called B Tac Buffalo
Trace Antique Collection that

1246
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,160
they also own.
Pappy and I, I just spent like

1247
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:07,240
10.
Episodes in a.

1248
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:12,920
Row trashing B.Tech, not that
it's bad, it's very good

1249
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:13,840
whiskey.
But just.

1250
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,800
The marketing and all all the
stuff behind it and it.

1251
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,280
So it is pretty much a running
joke at this point that Buffalo

1252
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,280
Trace will never sponsor this
show.

1253
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Never, never.
I don't know.

1254
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,200
Maybe, maybe they're desperate
for your approval now.

1255
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,840
They.
Might be that that's that's the

1256
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,720
game.
I'm ready for you.

1257
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,920
Next that Glenn Moore and G
changed the.

1258
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,160
Name.
All right, well guys, you know

1259
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,440
who else is an enthusiastic?
Moron.

1260
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,600
Tony in West Side Story.
So guys, it's back.

1261
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,200
It's time for us to get back
into talking about this movie.

1262
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,600
What do you say, Brad?
Let's get to it, Bob.

1263
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,360
All right, everybody.
That was Glenn Moringy, King to

1264
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,520
Ruben. 14 year old single malt
Scotch What what an incredible

1265
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,680
experience.
A true A.

1266
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,480
True chef's kiss.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man.

1267
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,200
You know what else is an
absolute?

1268
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,080
Chef.
'S kiss of an experience, Bob.

1269
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,520
I can only imagine Brett. 2.
Facts and a falsehood.

1270
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,640
Brad is going to.
Try to stump you.

1271
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:24,080
Ball 2.
You are right and what is wrong?

1272
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,000
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 facts
and a falsehood is the part of

1273
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,760
the show where Brad presents me.
With three items as fact about

1274
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,320
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

1275
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,200
Brad, I have had a very up and
down season at 2 facts and a

1276
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,400
falsehood.
You really should patch yourself

1277
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,800
on the back for how often you've
been able to trip me up, and

1278
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,920
that includes times where we
have had a guest host picking

1279
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,800
with me.
We have been LED astray multiple

1280
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,720
times this season.
We have been LED astray.

1281
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,480
We, we being.
Me and the guest.

1282
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,920
Oh, OK.
Now.

1283
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,400
Patrick has seen this movie in
his words a lot of times and so

1284
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,080
I I feel pretty confident today.
Now you may undercut that

1285
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,680
confidence with some really out
there trivia, but now again, for

1286
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,880
the context for listeners, if I
take Patrick's advice about

1287
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,840
which one of these 3 facts is
actually a falsehood and we get

1288
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,560
it right, I am only credited
with one win.

1289
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,160
But if we get it wrong, I am
given 2 losses in the loss

1290
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,480
column which will dig me just an
insurmountable hole this season.

1291
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,600
So Patrick, the pressure is on a
little bit here.

1292
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,480
OK, Brad, hit me with those two
facts.

1293
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:39,120
And a falsehood.
Fact number.

1294
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,760
One Rita Moreno stated that her.
Line reading of Don't You Touch

1295
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,280
Me?
After The Jets attack, Anita was

1296
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,520
her imitating her then boyfriend
Marlon Brando.

1297
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,720
Brando noticed this at the
film's premiere.

1298
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:59,440
Fact #2 Rita Moreno nearly
didn't get the role of Anita,

1299
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:03,280
with multiple other stars such
as Barbara Luna being offered

1300
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,200
the role.
In the end, many of the other

1301
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,640
stars were too similar to
Natalie Wood, and Moreno offered

1302
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,160
a personality that better fit
what they were looking for.

1303
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,640
Fact #3 Not only are Natalie.
Wood and.

1304
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,640
George Shakiris wearing make up
to look more Puerto Rican.

1305
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,920
Rita Moreno, who actually is
Puerto Rican, had to wear the

1306
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,000
same make up to match their skin
tone.

1307
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,560
She later said that West Side
Story was the worst example of

1308
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,720
this in her career, saying that
it was like mud caked onto her

1309
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,320
skin.
Man, there was a really, really

1310
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,400
good documentary.
A couple years ago about Rita

1311
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,080
Moreno that I watched and she
talked, you know, fairly fondly,

1312
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,680
but frankly about West Side
Story.

1313
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,800
She also talked about dating
Marlon Brando.

1314
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,240
What a wild relationship that
must have been.

1315
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,320
I you know #3 sounds.
I I'm just gonna assume number.

1316
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,720
3 is true, Patrick, I don't.
Believe I have.

1317
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:05,760
Heard about #3 before I'm.
OK, I would bet on that being a

1318
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,760
fact.
I don't know who was the the

1319
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,920
other star you mentioned.
In fact #2 Brad, that was going

1320
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,800
on, or Luna.
I don't know who that is, nor

1321
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:16,520
do.
I.

1322
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,400
This sounds like a Brad G made.
Up person to me?

1323
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,120
I'm not sure.
Wow, Patrick, I'm circling.

1324
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,040
One and two here.
I'd love to hear your thoughts

1325
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,080
on which one you.
Think might be the falsehood.

1326
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,000
I lean toward 2 because I'm less
familiar.

1327
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,960
With I as in there's a person,
I, I'm not.

1328
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,320
Familiar with in there?
While I'm like, I'm aware of

1329
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:46,120
Marlon Brando and they dated and
so there's already stuff I'm

1330
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:51,640
aware of in there.
So yeah, I.

1331
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,600
Again, I've got to say.
Every time I'm on the show, when

1332
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,320
this segment comes on, I'm
always I, I got, I got.

1333
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:04,320
I got to give it up to Brad for
writing some pretty convincing

1334
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:11,280
lies, because I think usually.
When I'm on, we don't.

1335
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,440
Get it right?
No.

1336
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,000
We don't.
That is very meaningful to me.

1337
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,000
We have had guests come on.
Here and trash my intelligence.

1338
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:21,800
Really.
Yes.

1339
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:24,840
Well.
That's.

1340
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,600
Why I'm?
Your number one.

1341
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,240
Returning guest that's right,
that easily my favorite.

1342
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,920
Brad, I'm just going to, I'm
going to throw my lot in with

1343
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,040
Patrick here.
I do think it's either one or

1344
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,320
two, I really couldn't tell you.
Which one it?

1345
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,760
Is though, so I will also say
that number 2 is the falsehood

1346
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:49,160
here, and we'll lock that in #2
Patrick, you are.

1347
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,720
Just on a streak, you've
redeemed yourself That that is

1348
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,040
the falsehood.
Let's go, Barbara Luna.

1349
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:02,280
Is.
A actress who tried out for West

1350
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,640
Side Story.
However, she was like in Star

1351
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,800
Trek episodes and a few other
things throughout the 60s, had a

1352
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,560
few movie roles.
But she she was didn't.

1353
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,080
She was.
No, Yeah, that's right.

1354
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,840
I think guys.
That that might.

1355
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,680
Be a great.
Segue into.

1356
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,520
Talking about the cast of this
movie, guys, I mean, I don't

1357
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,840
know where if you want to start
at the top with our two leads or

1358
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,200
if you want to start with the
supporting performances.

1359
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,720
I, I mean, let's go ahead.
Let's start with the supporting

1360
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,200
performances 'cause we're
already talking about Rita

1361
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,360
Moreno and the two supporting
actors here.

1362
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,360
And by the two, I mean Rita
Moreno and George Shakiris both

1363
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,040
win Academy Awards for this
movie.

1364
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,680
And you know, we will get around
to the George Shakuris of it all

1365
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,080
and and him being painted a
different color.

1366
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,520
I still think they're pretty
well deserved Oscars.

1367
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,800
They're both just incredible
charismatic, like scene stealing

1368
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,120
performances in this movie.
Brad, who do you want to start

1369
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:06,240
by talking about here?
Oh man, I mean I my like.

1370
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,920
Little thing that the another
thing I love to say to my wife

1371
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,000
every year when I watch a
Christmas movie is when I'm

1372
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:20,920
watching White Christmas and she
is dancing at the cabaret.

1373
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,760
After she.
Quits the musical George

1374
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,600
Shakiris is one of the guys that
she dances with and every year

1375
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:32,040
I'm like they he West Side Story
this is like.

1376
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,840
This is like. 10 years before.
That and she's like.

1377
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:39,120
What?
And it's the wild.

1378
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:39,640
Thing.
About.

1379
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:44,200
That he was playing Riff.
On in the West Dash production

1380
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,280
before this.
And then they're like, oh, his

1381
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,680
dark complexion.
Maybe he should play.

1382
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:55,200
You know, Bernardo, it is that
they are like, look, I'm putting

1383
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,480
aside for a moment.
We'll return.

1384
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:01,360
To it.
The problematic racial elements

1385
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,360
of the casting and make up in
this movie.

1386
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,400
George Shakiris gives an like
incredible performance.

1387
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,120
He is so he's he is electric in
this.

1388
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,640
It's like the aforementioned
shot in the prologue that Bob

1389
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:20,360
you brought up earlier on when
he just turns back to the wall

1390
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,200
and you get in this close up
where he just like like looks

1391
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,760
down the barrel of the camera
and then just, you know,

1392
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,680
perfectly in tune with the
music, just like pounds his

1393
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,160
first on the wall.
It's like you look at that shot

1394
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,080
and the way he holds a close up
and it's like, oh, well, that's

1395
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,880
a movie star right there.
It's like, I like, I don't, I

1396
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,120
don't know why he did not like.
Become like a.

1397
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:49,440
Like full on movie star, but
this but like he's so lately he

1398
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,240
he's like obviously like an A
spectacular dancer.

1399
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,640
I mean the the prologue dance at
the gym America, just the the

1400
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,120
way he moves it is is it's
astounding.

1401
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,040
It's again, this is like this is
watching him dance is like, Oh

1402
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,320
yeah, this is what cinema is
about.

1403
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:13,120
But it's also just like, the
intensity of like, his stare.

1404
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,360
Is like the way cause OK, the
thing about West Side Story in

1405
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,600
any version of of the show, it
it is I think the fact of West

1406
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,040
Side Story and I say this, this
is my favorite musical.

1407
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,840
Tony and Maria are the least
interesting characters.

1408
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,120
Thank you.
Yep, that's that's I was

1409
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,960
talking.
That's just.

1410
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,560
Talking to Brad about this.
Before you got on.

1411
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,200
That's every musical.
Though the leads of a musical

1412
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,360
are almost guaranteed,
especially if they're romantic

1413
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,880
leads, to be the least
compelling characters in that

1414
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,000
musical, right?
These are two young dummies

1415
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:44,960
where.
Where they're like, we don't

1416
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,760
want to fight, we just want to
hang out and we're in love.

1417
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:54,280
And Tony wants to, like, unload,
like, boxes of Coca-Cola and

1418
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,720
stuff like that.
And it's like, right.

1419
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,840
Yeah, no.
Riff is like the exciting one.

1420
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,200
Riff rocks.
Also, can we just point out that

1421
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,880
Tony and Riff both end up in
Twin Peaks, which is so crazy?

1422
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,240
Yes.
Yes.

1423
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,120
It's incredible here.
OK, let's.

1424
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:11,600
Get back to George Shakuris for
a minute.

1425
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,480
Because I, I want to tread a
little bit lightly with how I

1426
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:20,360
phrased this, because as a very,
very white man, you by the look

1427
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,760
of me and the everything else of
me, this, this is like.

1428
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,800
You know, like like a.
Blizzard.

1429
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,760
On screen right now, this is the
the What is the whitest podcast

1430
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,880
board.
It's not my place to say.

1431
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,360
What is and is not?
Racially.

1432
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,480
Insensitive.
And the fact that you have a

1433
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,560
white person playing this role
is in itself racially

1434
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,640
insensitive.
Now, given that, what?

1435
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,680
Really astounds me is.
Like when you look at other

1436
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,880
white people who are playing.
Different races.

1437
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,080
And ethnicities at this time in
Hollywood, Like a year after

1438
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,840
this, Breakfast at Tiffany's
comes out featuring Mickey

1439
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,120
Rooney in the most offensive
performance ever committed to

1440
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,480
film.
Like when white people do other

1441
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:12,280
races at this time and prior in
Hollywood, they are giving in to

1442
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,880
stereotypes.
And it's not even necessarily

1443
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,480
like the overt stereotypes.
It's just what white people

1444
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,480
thought about these races.
And for George Shakiris to give

1445
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,480
not just the committed
performance he does, but to give

1446
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:31,760
it the level of sensitivity and
dignity that he does, just the

1447
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,600
sheer fact that he gives a
performance that layered and

1448
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,840
nuanced is incredibly unique in
Hollywood at this time.

1449
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,760
And I think that it deserves
mentioning.

1450
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,240
And I'm not going to, like, give
the guy a parade because he

1451
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,480
played another human being with
the dignity that all human

1452
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:48,800
beings deserve to be played
with.

1453
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,400
But like, it's worth noting.
This is really unique at this

1454
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:53,440
time in Hollywood.
Yeah.

1455
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,640
Just the fact that like
obviously.

1456
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,120
They should have cast a Puerto
Rican actor in the role.

1457
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,000
There is still brown face going
on, which is bad, but it is.

1458
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,960
But again, this was like a time
when that was just really

1459
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,040
standard.
Like no one questioned that.

1460
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,080
And, and, and it's like, yes,
they should not have cast him,

1461
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,720
but because of the time and the
circumstances and all of that,

1462
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:24,360
it is somewhat.
OK, maybe not commendable, but.

1463
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:29,520
Like he did like clearly.
Like want to?

1464
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:35,760
Give a sensitive, nuanced, like
accurate portrayal of a person

1465
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,040
from this culture.
And and again, the bar was so

1466
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:47,440
low at the time that it's like,
you know, for this could be so

1467
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:50,720
much worse.
This could be so much worse.

1468
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:55,960
It's still, it's still a thing
that you have to be like I, you

1469
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,800
know, like it's, it's, you know,
disappointing, but it's like,

1470
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,080
again, it's like, it's a movie
from 1961.

1471
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,560
It could be Breakfast at
Tiffany's, but it's not.

1472
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,240
I think the fascinating thing
for me is essentially what?

1473
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:15,040
We're saying is it's really hard
to impose 2026, not necessarily

1474
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,440
moral, but standards.
Standards.

1475
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,200
To something from 19. 61 and it
doesn't.

1476
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,800
Mean you don't look back and go
like, I think the fascinating

1477
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:29,000
thing is that he still portrays
what was probably true back then

1478
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:35,520
of the gender divide of like a
very conservative gender outlook

1479
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,480
on how the Puerto Rican men view
the Puerto Rican women.

1480
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,320
And that like in the in the
America song with which I think

1481
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:48,920
is just like a fascinating look
back into what life was like for

1482
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,920
women back then.
And I the, the reason I bring

1483
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,120
that up is to say, I think that
this movie was a very

1484
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,720
progressive movie at the time.
And that was like, that's like

1485
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:08,440
the the observation is to say
for the time this was moving us.

1486
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:13,640
Towards a.
Place of understanding that the

1487
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:18,000
reason George Shakuris's
performance is compelling is

1488
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:23,240
because he doesn't focus on the
and I'm using air quotes as I

1489
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,240
say this for those of you who
are just listening the Puerto

1490
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:31,760
Rican of it all he focuses on
the human being of it all and

1491
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:37,000
like any human being from any
race who cares about his sister

1492
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,480
and is nervous about a new
country that they are living in

1493
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:45,480
and the effect it would have on
their sister would feel how he

1494
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:49,440
feels when she just falls head
over heels in love with a

1495
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,480
somebody who doesn't understand
their culture day one of living

1496
01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:00,040
there like that human experience
feels honest and raw and real

1497
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:04,360
and you you kind of relate with
with Bernardo as he's struggling

1498
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:10,120
through these things regardless
of George Shakuris skin color

1499
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,480
well I think that the the
American number is.

1500
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:17,640
Really the key to.
Under a understanding like the

1501
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,400
racial politics of this movie,
but also why I think this movie

1502
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,920
works so well.
And it's because it is.

1503
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:28,400
I mean, just like fundamentally
preaching a sermon about the

1504
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,680
American dream and where it
fails people and race in America

1505
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,920
and violence in America and how
all of that is wrapped up into

1506
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,240
what America is.
And I think in a lot of ways,

1507
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,240
this is the quintessential
American musical.

1508
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,800
Like, I can't think of anything
else I could think of musicals

1509
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,840
that I might enjoy a little bit
more than this.

1510
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,800
But like this, this is a movie
and a musical about the American

1511
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,080
experience in a way that very
few others are.

1512
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:58,160
And the reason that it works so
well in the American number is

1513
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:04,040
that I think in less talented,
less qualified, less deft hands,

1514
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,640
it becomes way preachier and way
more didactic about like what

1515
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,040
they're trying to get across.
It would be like doused in

1516
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,240
exposition.
It would be someone standing on

1517
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,240
a soapbox and delivering A
soliloquy.

1518
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,600
And by putting it in the context
of this very upbeat song, but

1519
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,040
making that song be a back and
forth and then adding the

1520
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,520
additional layer of like, it's a
back and forth where they're

1521
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,480
just kind of like couples having
fun with each other and like

1522
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,360
ribbing each other.
But what they're what they're

1523
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,640
getting at is a really harsh
truth in reality.

1524
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,440
But the framing of it goes down
so easily that I think an

1525
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,200
audience watching this in 1961
is able to internalize the

1526
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,200
message of that song so much
more easily than if they had

1527
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:58,440
done kind of like the Stanley
Kramer, you know, somebody gets

1528
01:27:58,440 --> 01:28:02,000
behind the dock in a courtroom
and delivers an impassioned

1529
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,920
speech.
It works better because of how

1530
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,440
they frame it in this movie.
Yeah.

1531
01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:09,440
I mean it just working off of
the very like I don't I don't

1532
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:10,720
want to.
Say simple, but just of like

1533
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:15,160
the, the pretty rock solid
framework of Romeo and Juliet,

1534
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,080
It's like, OK, it's in the test
of time.

1535
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,760
Yeah, we we've got one of the
canonical texts of Western

1536
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,560
culture and we're going to work
from that.

1537
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,640
But then and just the simple
thing of like, you know, Bob,

1538
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,880
the Stanley Kramer comparison is
like a perfect one because it's

1539
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,440
like, especially at the time,
like well-intentioned

1540
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,840
progressive movies were often
like, OK, this is going to be

1541
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:43,240
about white people encountering
another culture and we're going

1542
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,280
to see it through their eyes and
learn that it's OK to like it.

1543
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,480
Which again, at the time, it's
still a step in the right

1544
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:53,760
direction, still commendable.
But just like West Side Story

1545
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,000
taking like the basically taking
the approach of no, this is just

1546
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,240
split evenly between these two
cultures.

1547
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:06,160
And like, half the movie is, you
know, white native born New

1548
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,760
Yorkers, half of it is Puerto
Rican immigrants.

1549
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,960
We're going to give them equal
screen time.

1550
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,120
They're going to like all the
Puerto Ricans.

1551
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,680
They will have conflicts within
themselves.

1552
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:22,960
They will be as nuanced and just
like regular as the human

1553
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,080
beings, as all of the white
characters.

1554
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,120
And this is just the standard
for the movie.

1555
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,760
Again, talk about this.
In 2026, it shouldn't feel like

1556
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:36,520
a big deal.
But going back to that time, it

1557
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:41,800
was I, I will say.
I I was watching.

1558
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,320
A I'll I'll give credit where
credit is due.

1559
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,960
I was watching the YouTube
channel Sideways that like

1560
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:53,640
focuses very heavily on musicals
and like the technical aspects

1561
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,000
of the notes being played.
And what he pointed out that I

1562
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,920
thought was fascinating was that
The Jets, like light motif

1563
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,000
theme, the music that plays for
them throughout the entire

1564
01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:12,600
musical is actually, it's never
not present when they are on

1565
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:17,240
screen.
And it's used as the like hatred

1566
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:21,840
theme that like represents this
like anger and hatred.

1567
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:26,200
And it plays when they're making
fun of Officer Krupke and, and

1568
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,000
they're not even interacting at
all with the the Sharks.

1569
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,760
They're talking about their own
upbringings and stuff.

1570
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,680
And and it's like there's this
hatred inside of them.

1571
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,400
The only people who don't have
the hatred theme play for them

1572
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,680
is the sharks.
Like you look at America,

1573
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:50,320
there's nothing related to that.
And yet when you look at is it

1574
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:55,200
called cool it or Cool Cool?
Yeah, when you look at Cool It.

1575
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,960
Has elements.
Of that Jets.

1576
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:01,000
Hatred theme in it.
When you look at the officer

1577
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,720
Krupke and the Lieutenant,
what's the lieutenant's name

1578
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,520
shrank shrank when they come on
to the scene, The Jets hatred

1579
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,080
theme plays and guess what
happens?

1580
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,200
They're you know, yes, they're
trying to put down all the kids,

1581
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:20,080
but they're also pretty racist
towards the Puerto Ricans.

1582
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,600
And so within the musical
structure, it seems like they're

1583
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,440
creating this idea without
communicating it verbally, which

1584
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,680
is what I love.
They are communicating this idea

1585
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,240
that, like, the Puerto Ricans
are just defending themselves.

1586
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,600
They are strangers in a new land
trying to make the best of it.

1587
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:44,000
And even when the Puerto Ricans
are not present on screen, The

1588
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,000
Jets are still thinking about it
and still finding ways to, like,

1589
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,440
embody that hatred.
And I think it's a really subtle

1590
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:56,240
way of saying like, yeah, there
there's a lot of problems in

1591
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:01,440
America, and these immigrants
probably aren't one of them.

1592
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,440
Yeah.
Well, and I think that's a great

1593
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:08,400
jumping off point to talk.
About Rita Moreno as Anita in

1594
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,280
this movie, because it's just
like, like by far the best

1595
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,600
performance in the movie.
And I, you know, right before we

1596
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,160
pressed record, I'm talking to
Brad and I'm like, it's, it's

1597
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,760
like watching LeBron play
against a bunch of rookies.

1598
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,880
And that's not to say that like
anyone else in this movie is

1599
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:24,640
bad.
Like some of them are quite

1600
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,560
good.
The way that you look at a

1601
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,760
rookie in the NBA and you're
like, that dude's going to be an

1602
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,840
All Star one of these days.
But also like you're playing

1603
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:35,720
with LeBron James and there's
just moments where she's so far

1604
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,280
ahead of everybody in terms of
acting and dancing and

1605
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:44,800
everything she does is just the
most dynamic performance.

1606
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:49,920
But I will say, Patrick to to
the Steven Spielberg version of

1607
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,400
this, there is one addition in
the Spielberg film that I feel

1608
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,680
like is the best possible thing
they could have done.

1609
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,360
Is it putting De Marino in the
movie?

1610
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:00,320
Yeah.
Well, Rita.

1611
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:01,920
Moreno is in the movie she
plays.

1612
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,240
Doc Brad, There's a gender swap
and she plays the Doc well.

1613
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,800
She plays Doc's widow, who is.
Puerto Rican.

1614
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,920
And then it it's again, I think
it's a great choice.

1615
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,960
It's like Doc had been white and
there had she, she had had this

1616
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,800
same kind of relationship years
earlier.

1617
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,840
So when she's like talking to
Tony, you know, she's like

1618
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,080
speaking from experience about
like what he's in right now.

1619
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:33,680
And also she sings somewhere and
and again, Brad, I'm excited for

1620
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,800
you to watch the Spielberg one
because it's like, I can't like

1621
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,920
even if you don't like it as
much, there's no way you won't

1622
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,600
think it's good if you like the
original.

1623
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,360
But it but it is just like
seeing the way, just like the

1624
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,840
the way they like recalibrate
things the way they like, like

1625
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,960
the way they totally change the
way cool is like placed in

1626
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,880
there, the way it's like
different people singing that

1627
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:00,400
song.
It's I'm excited.

1628
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,840
It it's it's a.
Cool movie.

1629
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,960
That that should have been a.
Big hit when it.

1630
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,520
Came out and I'm I'll always be
bummed it wasn't.

1631
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,200
I think one of the additions
that they do that is.

1632
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,040
Really brilliant is the.
Last, basically the last thing

1633
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,840
Anita says in the movie.
And so it's the same as in this

1634
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,800
movie, you know, she goes to
deliver the message to Doc's

1635
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,120
candy store and almost gets
raped and gets caught.

1636
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,400
You know, the The Jets get
caught at the last moment and

1637
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,040
she's humiliated and she's been
assaulted and she does the whole

1638
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,120
thing about like, I wouldn't
even spit on you if I was

1639
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,080
walking past you.
But they in Spanish.

1640
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:41,200
She turns around and she, like,
rejects America and says, you

1641
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,520
know, yo, soy Puerto Rican, and
then, like, walks out.

1642
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,000
And it is the perfect conclusion
to that character's tragic arc

1643
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:53,200
because throughout the entire
movie, she's the optimistic one

1644
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,120
in the relationship with
Bernardo about the American

1645
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:57,480
dream.
She doesn't want to go back

1646
01:34:57,480 --> 01:34:59,400
home.
She likes the idea of buying

1647
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,440
things on credit.
She likes the idea of, like,

1648
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,880
riding around in a car and
getting these things.

1649
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:07,200
And she's ultimately the one
that's the most crushed by the

1650
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,400
reality of America.
And I think that it's just it's

1651
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,320
such a brilliant touch.
Now, having said that, Rita

1652
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,160
Moreno doesn't get that line in
this movie.

1653
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:21,440
But watching her deliver that
final moment, especially in 1961

1654
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,920
when you're still, you still
have the sensors in place for

1655
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,800
the most part.
Like it's a it's a shocking

1656
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,360
moment and she's her face is
smudged up and like, it's just,

1657
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,120
it's such a gut punch.
And I think that's the reason

1658
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,280
she wins the Oscar.
Like, that's the Oscar clip.

1659
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,080
And she freaking brings that
home, man.

1660
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,280
Yeah.
I mean, she's got she kind of

1661
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:42,840
for a.
Supporting role.

1662
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:48,200
She does have the the trickiest
stuff to play and it's like, you

1663
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,080
know, because she has to be
like.

1664
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,720
Almost a mother.
Figure to Maria like a mother

1665
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,680
slash sister figure, you know, a
a love interest to Bernardo.

1666
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:03,200
She is like like America it you
know, it's it's a duet, but like

1667
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:07,800
she's driving it.
She gets like the dramatic

1668
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,760
climax right before the
dramatic.

1669
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:14,440
Climax.
Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's a

1670
01:36:14,440 --> 01:36:18,240
thing where like, obviously Rita
Moreno, like in her 90s, her

1671
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,360
career is still going strong.
You know, she's Dominic

1672
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:28,000
Toretto's mother now.
She's an 80 for Brady, a movie

1673
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:32,280
that is shockingly pretty fun.
Oh, I've seen it.

1674
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,160
I just want to think that she's
still Anita in.

1675
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:40,280
All of those movies but like
this.

1676
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,000
This is such a *.
Making performance.

1677
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,800
That she should have become like
one of the biggest stars in the

1678
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,440
industry from this.
It's just it is.

1679
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:53,720
I mean Bob the the LeBron
playing against.

1680
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,640
Like amateurs.
Is like, I'm not going to go

1681
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,760
that far because I'm like,
everyone else is still like, you

1682
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,520
know, very good.
Everyone else especially, like

1683
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:04,720
when it comes.
Yeah, like.

1684
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,480
It's not like it's all.
Like bad performances and then

1685
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:13,120
one star, but she steals the
movie.

1686
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:15,680
Yeah.
And now I do.

1687
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,240
Think if there's one person.
That comes closest to stealing

1688
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,560
it from her.
Maybe this is just me.

1689
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,520
Russ Tamblyn as Riff is
incredible.

1690
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:26,800
First of all, look, the guy is
like 30.

1691
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,680
Years old and he's playing a.
Teenager, what are you going to

1692
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:34,200
do that them's the brakes?
However, the athleticism of this

1693
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,920
guy is like it's sneaky athletic
too.

1694
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,560
He's like the guy, you know, if
we're going to keep the

1695
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,240
basketball references going
here, Brad, he's like the guy at

1696
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,880
the Y, like the pick up guy that
you don't think is going to be

1697
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:45,800
any good.
And then just like everyone's

1698
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,240
exhausted chasing him around.
It's little things like the way

1699
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,960
he climbs up on the on the pipe
during jet song and then flips

1700
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,280
around backwards, gets his feet
out from under him and then does

1701
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,200
another flip and lands.
Or when they're at the the dance

1702
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,960
at the gym and he just does like
a running flip in the air for no

1703
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,960
reason.
There's there's so many athletic

1704
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,920
gymnastics feats and, and
coupled with like, it's just a

1705
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,440
really good performance.
Too.

1706
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:15,600
Yeah, it feels to me like this
was nearing the end of.

1707
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:21,520
Like the dancer body in movies
where there was a few of the and

1708
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,400
we're getting into the the
chorus essentially.

1709
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,720
But like some of The Jets, some
of the Sharks that you're like,

1710
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,880
they still have that like Fred
Astaire, Gene Kelly kind of

1711
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,960
look.
And when you watch them dance,

1712
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:39,080
you're like, yeah, no, they they
didn't mess around with dance in

1713
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,080
the 40s and 50s when they were
training and coming up.

1714
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,720
Because I just don't feel like
you see people like that

1715
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,320
anymore.
And I think that Russ is the

1716
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,280
epitome of that throughout the
movie.

1717
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,920
Yeah, it's obviously he's not
doing like he doesn't have

1718
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,920
quite.
The the dramatic scenes that

1719
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,760
that like Rita Moreno has to
play, but his thing is basically

1720
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,880
just like, it's like charisma
and agility.

1721
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,560
Cause like you need the
charisma.

1722
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:05,400
Oh, you do.
Yeah.

1723
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,600
It was like I believe.
This guy as.

1724
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,480
The leader of The Jets, he
rocks.

1725
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:13,880
Yeah.
It it's also one of those crazy

1726
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,520
things where it's like, it's
funny to see, like, who did or

1727
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,920
did not do their own singing?
It's like Russ Hamblin sang in

1728
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,280
other movies.
Why didn't they let him do his

1729
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,480
own vocals here?
No, what's funny is I and I

1730
01:39:25,480 --> 01:39:27,080
remember seeing this on like the
DVD.

1731
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,040
Extras.
He cut a take of the Jet song

1732
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,080
and then they were like, not
good enough.

1733
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:36,880
And then they hired another guy
to sing kind of off key anyway.

1734
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,680
Yeah, so it's like, what?
How bad must his take have been

1735
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,040
that it wasn't useful?
I.

1736
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:45,000
Know, I know.
Also a thing.

1737
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,320
I'm sorry.
To keep bringing it up, but

1738
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,280
like, Brad, I'm excited for you
to see Mike Feist as as as riff

1739
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,800
in the Spielberg one because
that was all like like that was

1740
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,880
one where I'm like, oh, this is
a very different thing than what

1741
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,360
Ross Damplin was doing.
But also like and.

1742
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,600
And also that character gets
it's it's like a a slightly

1743
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,440
media role in that one, but it's
like, oh right.

1744
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:09,760
This is like a star making thing
like this.

1745
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,400
Yeah like that that was like I
was like who is this guy and put

1746
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,560
him in everything now and.
And so but.

1747
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,840
But yeah, I mean the the the.
I mean, look, I think the thing

1748
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:25,360
about West Side Story is the
three most fun roles.

1749
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,800
The three best roles are.
Always going to be Anita,

1750
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,240
Bernardo and Riff. 100%'s it.
Yeah.

1751
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,520
Well, and I think that.
Like with the rust hamblin.

1752
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,920
Thing You actually do get some
great dramatic moments, but you

1753
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,760
have to kind of look on the
fringes a little bit.

1754
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,320
And for me, there's this one
scene.

1755
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:45,120
It's the scene where they're
having the war council at Doc's

1756
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:49,160
candy store, and then Shrink
comes in and he's already kind

1757
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,960
of flexed his racist muscles a
little bit when he kicks the

1758
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,320
Puerto Ricans off of the
playground in the first scene.

1759
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,360
But he goes all out in this
scene and he looks at Bernardo.

1760
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,400
And is just.
Like it's your word against mine

1761
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,200
and I have a badge.
And there's a shot that they cut

1762
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:09,840
to kind of from Shrink's point
of view, and it's looking

1763
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,480
slightly down on Bernardo.
And then you see Russ Tamblyn

1764
01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:18,000
sitting at the table behind him.
And it's this great reminder

1765
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:22,440
that everybody in this movie
who's not, you know, a, a police

1766
01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:25,360
officer or Doc is a teenager.
Because there's this kind of

1767
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,680
sheepish, like, he's afraid in
that moment.

1768
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:32,960
Like Riff is afraid in that
moment because a grown up person

1769
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,760
is doing this thing and he's not
going to say anything because

1770
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,800
ultimately he's getting the same
thing that he wants.

1771
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,680
But there's this all through the
movie.

1772
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,840
There's this interesting dynamic
of like, yes, we're fighting

1773
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,960
with each other, but this is not
the adults fight.

1774
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,600
And when the adults try to
impose upon us or impose rules

1775
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,280
upon us, like we'll stick
together to get rid of the

1776
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,040
adults so that we can continue
to have our beef.

1777
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,680
And it like, there's just
something about the way that

1778
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,920
Russ Tamblyn plays that in that
moment, the sort of

1779
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:13,320
sheepishness, sheepishness and,
and scared demeanor of a

1780
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,800
teenager that I just, I really,
really loved his performance

1781
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,960
this time around.
And I I have to say I'm, I'm

1782
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:21,960
with.
You 100.

1783
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:28,200
Percent on Russ Stanlon.
I think that Simon Oakland as

1784
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,320
Shank is terrifying in that
scene.

1785
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:39,840
I mean, he has this gravitas and
power about him that separates

1786
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,800
him from the Officer Krupke of
it all, where it's like, yeah,

1787
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:47,080
Krupke is somebody that, yeah,
you understand why he's a joke

1788
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,880
in popular media for decades to
come.

1789
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:56,360
There's like a terrifying power
about Shank in that scene that

1790
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,240
you understand why The Jets
don't like him, the Sharks don't

1791
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:03,320
like him, that he is this
universally despised character

1792
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:09,320
that almost, it almost reminds
me of like a Nurse Ratchet like

1793
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:14,400
type of power that it he can
hold over a group of disparate

1794
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,200
people.
I mean, just a great performance

1795
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:19,840
in just a few small pieces
throughout the film.

1796
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,960
Do you remember Brad?
We've seen him in one other.

1797
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,720
Movie that we've watched for
this podcast.

1798
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,920
Give me a second to be I'm going
to tell you what it is.

1799
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,280
It's the year.
Before this.

1800
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:37,040
And what an insane 1-2 punch.
He shows up in the last five

1801
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,840
minutes of Alfred Hitchcock's
Psycho.

1802
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:43,800
And he is the, like, a
psychiatrist that comes in and

1803
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:48,000
explains everything about Norman
Bates and like how he thought

1804
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,920
that he was mother and all that.
So he goes from that to this

1805
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:54,560
movie in back-to-back years and
then does nothing else that I've

1806
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,520
seen after that.
That's that's incredible.

1807
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.

1808
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,880
Well, we've talked.
About pretty much everybody else

1809
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:04,440
in the movie except for our two
leads.

1810
01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:07,320
So guys, it's time for us to get
around to Natalie Wood and

1811
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,280
Richard Baymer.
Now, let's start with Natalie

1812
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:15,200
Wood because she is at this time
really the only real star in

1813
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:17,560
this movie.
She was a a pretty famous child

1814
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,960
actor.
Obviously she has a tragic death

1815
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,640
a couple decades after.
Yeah, let's let's really get

1816
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:23,960
into that.
Guys.

1817
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,240
Do you have any theories about?
What?

1818
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,800
What happened?
Bob's Conspiracy Corner is is in

1819
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,440
full view now.
Natalie Wood is like, a, an

1820
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,640
interesting case study here
because, like, she doesn't do

1821
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:38,240
her own singing.
She's not a natural dancer, and

1822
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:42,160
they don't give her a lot to do
as Maria for 95% of the movie.

1823
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:46,240
And then the very last scene,
I'm like, oh, yeah, that's why

1824
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:47,960
you hire Natalie Wood.
Like it.

1825
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:52,880
It almost justifies casting her
just to get that last three

1826
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:57,160
minutes of the movie out of her.
Yeah, it it is a funny thing

1827
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,920
'cause like.
You know, we we've already said

1828
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:03,640
that Tony and Maria, you know,
not the most interesting part of

1829
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,320
the movie.
And a a lot of Maria in this

1830
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:13,320
movie is like, oh, this is like
a a nice child having her like

1831
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:17,880
first experience, like, you
know, with like an infatuation.

1832
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:23,560
And also the music and the
visuals are doing a lot of the

1833
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:26,120
heavy lifting there.
Like when she and Tony first

1834
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,040
meet, like, you know, Bobby
already talked about this, You

1835
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,360
know, when you know, the IT
turns into that the everything

1836
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,400
else kind of like blurs out as
it just becomes like the two of

1837
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:36,480
them.
And it's like, oh, right, This

1838
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:40,720
is not, no, not to like, you
know, discount the actors, but

1839
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:44,880
like, you know, this is not
about acting, right?

1840
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,800
Now this is.
This is the music and visuals

1841
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:53,600
telling the story and, and, and
also like, you know, Maria has

1842
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,640
one famous song.
Well, OK, you know, she's got

1843
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:01,320
multiple songs, but like, I
think of her songs, there's one

1844
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:07,760
Maria song that is like OK, 2
Maria songs that are OK, fairly,

1845
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,360
fairly iconic, but like.
Tony.

1846
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,080
Has more.
Yeah, Tony has.

1847
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:18,160
Like 3.
But and so, but, yeah, so like,

1848
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:19,920
Maria's like they're doing her
thing.

1849
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:24,280
She's fine until you get to the
final scene and then she brings

1850
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,520
it.
And then it's like, OK, you know

1851
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,480
what?
You're look, you are landing the

1852
01:46:29,480 --> 01:46:31,240
plane here.
Yeah.

1853
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:33,200
And.
And she has to.

1854
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:34,880
Yeah.
And and.

1855
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,760
She nails it when she looks
around.

1856
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,480
And.
Just, like, is, like, silently

1857
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:44,400
screaming at them all.
And just, like, announces that

1858
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,520
hate in her heart.
You're just, like, you're there

1859
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,600
with her.
You're crying.

1860
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,080
It's powerful.
Yeah.

1861
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:54,440
Well, and then you've got kind
of like the inverse.

1862
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:58,120
Of that with Richard.
Baymer, who's like, it's kind of

1863
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,400
unfortunate because I think that
he is the worst actor in this

1864
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:06,000
movie and yet he does kind of
exactly what you need Tony to

1865
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,640
do.
He's charming as all get out.

1866
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,600
I'm never having a bad time with
Tony.

1867
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,120
And like, you know, when they
asked him to do some of the

1868
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,000
dramatic beats, like when Doc
comes down and gives him the

1869
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,560
false information about Maria's
death and he has to kind of

1870
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:21,880
react to that.
It's like, you know, I would

1871
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,840
have liked another take of, of
some of those moments and

1872
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,280
gasping for air and running
through the streets yelling for

1873
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:31,480
Chino.
But like I, I think I had a

1874
01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:34,120
better time with Tony.
Than I did with Maria.

1875
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:38,120
For most of this movie, but I
would also say like I think

1876
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:41,320
Richard Baymer is a worse actor
then Natalie Wood.

1877
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,760
Is that fair to say, Brad?
I mean, I don't think you're

1878
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,720
wrong.
I think this is a place.

1879
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:50,920
Where story matters, and I, I.
Think that.

1880
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:55,840
If you make the Maria Tony love
story just a little more

1881
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:01,480
believable, I think it benefits
their performance because and

1882
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:05,840
all you have to do is like
spread the movie out to take

1883
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,800
place over six months rather
than 48 hours.

1884
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:13,760
That's all you have to do.
And it's it feel I, I don't

1885
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,720
know, I'm not a scriptwriter.
It feels pretty easy to like put

1886
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:22,680
in some natural like indicators
of like it starts in the spring

1887
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,520
and then these scenes happen in
the summer and then now in the

1888
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,400
fall we're getting to the
rumble.

1889
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,080
And even like the fight between
the two gangs feels more

1890
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,960
believable if you just give a
few indicators that this is

1891
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:38,800
happening over a period of time.
And so I think if if you make

1892
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,920
the love story more believable
between the two of them, the

1893
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:48,360
little bit of scene chewing that
you get in the love story of of

1894
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:52,400
Tony and Maria feels a little
more breathable, a little more

1895
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:56,520
like, yeah, I know these are two
young kids who despite their,

1896
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,520
you know, families, their
cultures are falling in love

1897
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:02,560
with each other.
But there's something about the

1898
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:07,800
48 hours of it all that makes me
be like as you're not a good

1899
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,240
enough actor.
To.

1900
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:12,560
Make me believe that, you guys.
Truly fell in love in the last

1901
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:16,840
48 hours.
It is so little time.

1902
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,400
It's one of those.
Things where where I'm like.

1903
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,800
I feel like, you know, it's like
a theater or movie thing where

1904
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:26,440
it's like we're we're going to
compress time a lot and just go

1905
01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:28,880
with us, even though this would
never happen in in such little

1906
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,760
time.
But yeah, it, it, it's a thing

1907
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:35,200
like to talk about Richard
Baymer, who again, it is like

1908
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,440
whenever I watch this now, I'm
just like, I can't believe that

1909
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:43,080
is Ben Horn from Twin Peaks.
That's just like, it's so nuts.

1910
01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:50,000
But but but but like to once
again invoke the Spielberg one.

1911
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:54,760
I I remember like when the
Spielberg one came out, a thing

1912
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:58,480
that I would, you know, hear
people say constantly, is that

1913
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:02,800
like, oh man, it's great, except
for Ansel Elgort and putting

1914
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,640
aside anything about like him,
him as a person, but like he

1915
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,080
would constantly get brought up
as like the weak link and, and I

1916
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:12,520
was always like, guys, I think
he's fine.

1917
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:17,400
And the because Tony, Tony is
always the least interesting

1918
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,200
character.
That's it.

1919
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:23,120
It's like, you know what, he
wasn't amazing in the 61

1920
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,120
version.
It's like Tony is just kind of

1921
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:32,800
like this lunkhead who is like
kind of nice and and falls in

1922
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,280
love and doesn't have a lot
going on internally.

1923
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:41,040
And, and my thing with Tony is
always like, can he pull off?

1924
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,480
Something's coming.
And Maria?

1925
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:45,600
Oh, he can.
Cool.

1926
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:49,120
Yeah, Tony works.
That's that's basically like

1927
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,960
like those are the songs where
the, the, the, the where it's

1928
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,440
like those are two of the
crucial songs in the film.

1929
01:50:56,440 --> 01:51:01,440
Like something's coming is, you
know, is the I Want song and

1930
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,960
and, and Maria, which is, which
is again, it's like less the

1931
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,040
actor's performance and more the
music and what is happening

1932
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,480
visually convincing us that this
person is in love.

1933
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:15,920
But also he's got to sing the
song.

1934
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,960
And I'm like, well, Richard
Bammer doesn't actually sing the

1935
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,840
song, but he has to look like
he's singing the song.

1936
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,440
But but but that's the thing.
I'm like, Oh yeah, if they can

1937
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:27,760
pull that off, and if the two of
them can pull off tonight

1938
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,600
together, then I'm like, then it
works that then, then, well, I

1939
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,240
think you guys, you've hit on
something too.

1940
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,200
Where like their characters.
Are not helped by the way that

1941
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:46,640
this compression of time is a is
a real what's the word Brad, not

1942
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,760
asset liability to.
The way this movie.

1943
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,800
Ends and like it's almost like I
wish that they'd either compress

1944
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:57,400
time more so that like their
desperation to get away was like

1945
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,520
I bought bus tickets earlier
today.

1946
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,240
We have to get out of town right
now.

1947
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:03,920
Are you coming with like there
needs to be something there

1948
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,840
because he he murders her
brother.

1949
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,480
He goes to her house.
She's like you.

1950
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:13,360
Murdered my brother.
And he's like, yeah, he also

1951
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,640
murdered Riff.
And she goes, I didn't know

1952
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:17,000
that.
Let's have sex.

1953
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:21,520
And like, that's, that's like
literally it, it, it, it, it

1954
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,200
doesn't happen any longer than
that.

1955
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,720
Like there's there's the
suspension of disbelief.

1956
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,880
I like, I want to.
I know this is a.

1957
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:29,320
Musical.
I know it's heightened.

1958
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:34,000
I want to suspend my disbelief,
but when she immediately

1959
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:38,880
forgives him after he confirms
that he killed her brother, I'm

1960
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,960
just like.
And there's so many little

1961
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,960
things they could do, you know,
like, 'cause right after.

1962
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,680
That Anita comes in, catches
them, and then they sing the

1963
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:50,480
song about like, you know, when
you love somebody, you accept

1964
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:53,120
them for who they are.
They're basically singing Sale

1965
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,480
of Thee, right?
I mean, yeah, it's.

1966
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,240
When we were talking at the
beginning.

1967
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:03,280
About how the like the post
rumble section is like the the

1968
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:07,640
weakest part again, like, you
know, the weakest part is in it.

1969
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:11,000
It's like everything else is
like transcendent and the and

1970
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:15,120
and this and and this is not and
so this is not like a major

1971
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:22,680
criticism, but I think like the
the main weakness there is just

1972
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,880
that this is a stretch with
major.

1973
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,480
Dramatic things.
Happening without songs like the

1974
01:53:31,480 --> 01:53:35,320
first.
Like. 90 minutes of the thing

1975
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:37,040
are like.
Wall to wall.

1976
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:41,440
Bangers and and it's like song
after song and it's like, oh,

1977
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:46,320
these are the greatest songs
ever written and like they are

1978
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,680
communicating so much.
And then when they have to, and

1979
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:54,080
this is this is also a thing
that I think I've seen lots of

1980
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:59,440
musicals like like stumble here
where it's a thing even in like

1981
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:05,240
like original movie musicals
from the past like 15 years that

1982
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:10,520
are big hits that I like
anything from like Frozen to La

1983
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:14,480
La Land.
I think like my like major

1984
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:17,800
criticism of both of those
movies is that they need one

1985
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:23,240
additional song in like around
the like 2nd and to third act.

1986
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:27,560
They like they have like they
they like kind of forget to be

1987
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:31,480
musicals for a big stretch.
And and in West Side Story, I'm

1988
01:54:31,480 --> 01:54:37,520
like this stretch where you got
a like like a lot of plot and a

1989
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:43,000
break from songs.
Maybe a song could smooth?

1990
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:48,280
This over.
And see, I I kind of disagree

1991
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:52,040
because for me.
The the section right after that

1992
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:56,240
is where Anita goes to docs, the
assault happens, and then the

1993
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,680
end of the movie happens.
And like, that's songless.

1994
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,520
And it's really compelling.
And for me, it's the scene where

1995
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,840
they're like, you know, in the
bed chamber, they've just had

1996
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,920
sex.
You know, they sing There's a

1997
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:08,920
place for us.
And then Anita comes in and

1998
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,480
sings the song with Maria about
like, we love our men and what

1999
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:14,400
are you going to do?
And it's the songs that get in

2000
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:19,240
the way of the dramatic
progression for me because like,

2001
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,240
I feel like you need even one
line from Anita somewhere in the

2002
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:27,320
movie where she acknowledges
like Bernardo's going to get

2003
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,920
himself killed.
But I can't help but love him

2004
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,600
anyway.
Because for me, it's it's the

2005
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,960
mental hurdle of her being like
this guy standing in front of me

2006
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,440
just murdered my soon to be
husband.

2007
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,000
But you know, what are you going
to do?

2008
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,480
Like there's there's no point of
commonality.

2009
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,280
Like Natalie Wood's just like,
you don't understand.

2010
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:49,880
I love him.
Don't you love anybody?

2011
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:51,920
It's like, yeah, you just.
You just murdered him.

2012
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,480
Do you remember that?
Like it's like my if I'm being

2013
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:59,000
really charitable.
My thing here is like, until

2014
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:03,800
now, they kind of didn't
consider that anyone could die

2015
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,800
in this conflict.
They weren't killing each other.

2016
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:11,120
It was almost like this stupid
childish thing of like, oh,

2017
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,800
you're running around and
throwing rocks and, and I'm

2018
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,200
like, again, I'm not, I'm not
sure I even believe this.

2019
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,000
Actually, I don't think I do,
but I'm going to say it anyway.

2020
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:24,760
It's like they're all because
this is such a short amount of

2021
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:25,880
time.
It's like they are all.

2022
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:30,160
In shock.
That people actually died from

2023
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:34,120
this, that no one is really
being rational, are thinking

2024
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:38,680
through things because they had
like had not even considered

2025
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,960
that death was like on the
table.

2026
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,880
This this like doesn't feel
real.

2027
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,560
I don't know.
This is It's a musical.

2028
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,840
And and they got to get they.
Got to get a lot of story in

2029
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,880
there fast and also there's so
many songs that there's only so

2030
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,360
much story to fit in around
songs.

2031
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,160
I think my favorite thing that
they do in this movie.

2032
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,600
That's different from the
Broadway show.

2033
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,240
Is they?
They take the song cool and they

2034
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:05,560
move it from act one and Riff
sings it before the rumble, and

2035
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,120
they move it to after Riff's
death, and Ice sings it to get

2036
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:10,920
everybody else chilled out after
the fact.

2037
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,400
And that is a song that like,
you know, we're using the

2038
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:16,240
parlance of the late 50s and
everyone's saying, you know,

2039
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,120
keep Cooley cool boy.
And like, it sounds lame.

2040
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:23,000
But the way that it's used
dramatically in this movie, I

2041
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,320
think it's like it's the key to
making the second-half work

2042
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:29,440
because like you get that great
little scene right before that

2043
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:34,000
with baby John and Arab where
baby John's crying and he's

2044
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,520
like, what you like, there's a
genuine moment of like, why are

2045
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:37,480
you crying?
You know?

2046
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:40,240
And, and they're both trying to
process their feelings and they,

2047
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:43,040
they do that by suppressing
their feelings with the song.

2048
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,520
Cool.
Which is why I get so pissed off

2049
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,520
about what happens with Maria
and Anita after that, 'cause I'm

2050
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,920
like, what is your, I don't even
understand your process here.

2051
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,160
It makes no sense.
Brad, I'd love to hear your

2052
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:59,280
thoughts on on the, you know,
not the finale necessarily, but

2053
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,280
like that last third of the
movie, because for me that was

2054
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:05,120
the weakest part of the film.
But it sounds like for you it

2055
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,080
wasn't quite as weak as that
opening bit.

2056
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,880
I mean, I I think that would you
include in the last?

2057
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:16,200
3rd The scene where Anita is.
I mean, I took it to be that she

2058
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:19,840
does get raped.
They, you know, they, they stop

2059
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:21,680
it and it's a musical.
And they're not going to show.

2060
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,080
It, but essentially the way
they're implying it through

2061
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:24,920
dance.
Sure.

2062
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:26,520
Yeah, they're implying it
through dance.

2063
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,920
And just the way she walks.
Out and the way she holds

2064
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:33,440
herself is so fragile and
strong.

2065
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:41,640
It just I it, it just feels very
intense as to what, regardless,

2066
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,880
regardless I like.
For me, that scene.

2067
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:51,040
Is what holds up that final
third of the movie.

2068
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:55,000
It's what holds up what Chino
does at the end of the film.

2069
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:59,600
You're like, yeah, they're,
they're not just fighting for

2070
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:02,360
little things anymore.
They're fighting for their

2071
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:06,120
honor, for their their very
lives.

2072
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:10,000
And then you get Natalie Wood.
Just freaking.

2073
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,600
Knock A.
Grand Slam out of the park at

2074
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,640
the end of the film.
So I, I think the movie ends

2075
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,720
relatively well.
I do agree that some of the

2076
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:23,280
pacing falls apart and a lot of
it is kind of due to the story

2077
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,960
beats.
But I, we, we've gone over that.

2078
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:27,520
I'm, I'm kind of with you on
that, Bob.

2079
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,080
Well, I think that's a good
place for us to transition to

2080
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:32,200
our.
Last segment.

2081
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:35,000
Of the day, which we call Let's
Make it a Double.

2082
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:38,600
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things Listening To.

2083
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:41,480
The film and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

2084
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,080
this one, even if it's struggle.
It's the final segment of the

2085
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:45,520
day.
Now let's make it a double.

2086
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:48,280
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

2087
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:49,920
movie to pair.
Up with this one.

2088
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,800
To make the perfect double
feature, I'm going to keep this

2089
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,440
as short and sweet as I possibly
can.

2090
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:56,320
We've mentioned it 85 times
already.

2091
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,440
You're going to pair this up
with the Steven Spielberg remake

2092
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:02,840
of this from 2021?
I don't really know what else I

2093
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:06,640
could pick for this, but Brad
and Patrick, I'm all ears on

2094
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:08,200
your double feature
recommendations.

2095
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:12,000
Brad, do you want to go first?
Sure.

2096
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:13,720
Yeah, I.
I was.

2097
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:19,840
Thinking about movies that fit
this realm of people living in

2098
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:27,520
America trying to deal with a
raw hand or a raw deal and

2099
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:31,800
making the best of a situation
and fighting against things they

2100
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:36,880
can't control.
And I landed on Fences with with

2101
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:38,640
Denzel.
Oh, that's a good one.

2102
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:40,520
Directed by Denzel as well,
Right.

2103
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:44,240
Yes, and.
Also if it's another stage.

2104
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:47,800
Play adapted into a movie.
It just feels like a lot of

2105
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:51,360
things from Fences would fit
with what we're looking at here

2106
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:54,200
in West Side Story set in the
similar era.

2107
02:00:55,240 --> 02:01:01,760
Also just and to to use your
LeBron like you got Denzel.

2108
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,360
And it's not that there's not
other good performances in the

2109
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:05,880
movie.
But.

2110
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:07,440
He.
Carries the show.

2111
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,960
It's it's just him and Viola
Davis.

2112
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:12,440
Like acting.
You know, just it's, it's just

2113
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:15,680
like two faces on the Mount
Rushmore of acting.

2114
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:19,400
Yes, exactly.
That's a great thing, man.

2115
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:20,680
All right, Patrick, how about
you?

2116
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,880
So.
A thought that I.

2117
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,240
Had while watching the movie
today is I'm I'm.

2118
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:29,200
Looking at being like is this
the best?

2119
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:34,480
The color.
Red has ever looked in a movie.

2120
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:39,840
There is so much use of red,
whether in the sets or the

2121
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:43,400
lighting or the costumes, and it
looks incredible.

2122
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,280
And I'm going to make an
argument for another movie.

2123
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,960
But Brad.
Hold up a SEC.

2124
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:54,800
And as I'm thinking about.
This I'm like this might be.

2125
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:59,600
The best use of the color red in
film history, with the exception

2126
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:04,840
of my pick for my double
feature, which is Powell and

2127
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:07,760
Presburger's The Red Shoes.
Oh, that's a good one, because

2128
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,800
it's also a a just another.
Movie that.

2129
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:17,280
Is it's not a musical, but it is
a movie about ballet and it is

2130
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:19,880
also.
Right up there.

2131
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:30,000
With the best ever synthesis of
music and movement and color in

2132
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,480
cinema history.
And so it's not even quite the

2133
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,800
same genre, but it's like, look,
you're getting, you're getting

2134
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:41,920
like, I don't know, like 4 hours
or so of just the greatest red,

2135
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:46,120
the richest red you've ever seen
with some of the best music

2136
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,720
humans have ever composed.
So Brad, what's your red movie?

2137
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:52,440
I have not I've not seen your
your.

2138
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:57,640
Pick so I I can't compare it.
I would argue that and I

2139
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:59,040
wouldn't even necessarily say
it's better.

2140
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,840
I would argue that up there you
would have to put in mood for

2141
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:07,000
love.
Oh yeah, I, I, I thought about.

2142
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:10,480
That, but also consider the red
shoes has red in the title.

2143
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:13,680
It does.
It's about a red option.

2144
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:17,480
We did have a long.
Talk about red and green in

2145
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:19,360
Vertigo as well.
Oh, and that was it.

2146
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,920
That's true.
There's there's we've got some

2147
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,200
good red movies, I guess as
well.

2148
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:23,680
I mean also there's.
Like.

2149
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:29,840
My favorite Dario Argento.
Movie Deep red also where the

2150
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,160
red is all red.
Blood red in the in the title.

2151
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:35,480
Yeah, but but but.
Truly like if you haven't seen

2152
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:38,640
the red.
Shoes a contender along with in

2153
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,200
the mood for love for like I
would put though if I had to

2154
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:44,880
rank like what are the 10 best
looking movies ever made?

2155
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:49,080
These are in there.
Yeah, just just just blind by

2156
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:53,520
the criterion. 4K of.
Of the red shoes and and then

2157
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,520
looks like you know thank me
later guys you know what else is

2158
02:03:56,520 --> 02:04:00,120
one of the best looking movies
of all time 19. 61's West Side

2159
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:04,760
Story and it's time for us to
give final scores on these guys

2160
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:11,520
guys before we do that top.
Three songs go Oh, OK.

2161
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:18,080
America's number one.
Maria's number 2 and then

2162
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,960
probably.
Something's coming.

2163
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:24,120
I like I sing the ACT 1 songs a
lot more than anything from Act

2164
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:27,600
2.
I am going to cop out and say

2165
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,800
what Bob?
Said I here's here's my hot

2166
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:35,160
take.
I don't like cool at all.

2167
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,960
Brad, I'm excited for you to see
the Spielberg version.

2168
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,360
Because cool is completely
different.

2169
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:43,400
OK, That is like the biggest
change.

2170
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:46,240
Cool is like an action scene in
that one.

2171
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,480
I like that.
I would enjoy There's a gun

2172
02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:50,320
involved.
Yeah, it's.

2173
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:51,840
Good.
Yeah, it's it's a.

2174
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:59,200
Cool change.
My top three are America.

2175
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:04,360
Something's coming.
Tonight, Quintet.

2176
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,200
Oh dude.
It's so good and.

2177
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,280
Then the smash cut to the the
fence.

2178
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:11,480
At the rumble and it's red.
That's incredible, the red

2179
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:12,960
filter.
That then cuts out.

2180
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:17,680
It's Oh my God, there are so
there's so also the way tonight

2181
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:24,200
quintet begins with just like
silhouetted like like buildings,

2182
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:26,680
red filter.
It's just black and red.

2183
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,680
It is.
Oh God, it's so good.

2184
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:31,400
It's so good and and and.
Then.

2185
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:35,040
Oh my God, you know, and then
just got a wood cleaning out the

2186
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:38,960
window and the orange is so.
Saturated that it's like blown

2187
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,400
out.
It's just yeah man, guess what

2188
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:44,960
guys, this is a 10 out of 10
movie and I will hear no debate

2189
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:46,560
on that.
So that's my score.

2190
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:51,160
I do think that that stretch of
10 minutes really pulled me out

2191
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:54,640
of the movie.
But like the 1st 3rd of this

2192
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:58,160
movie is as close to like an
orgiastic experience as one

2193
02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:00,080
could have watching a film.
So like it's a tent.

2194
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I don't know.
I don't care what anybody says

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it's a tent.
Brad Patrick, where Where are

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you at 10?
Out of 10, I yeah, I I assume I

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get.
It it's like, this is not a

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02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:14,520
science.
Yes, the movie is imperfect, but

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it is also like, you know, the
highs are so like, you know,

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stratospherically high that that
it's like, you know, cinema

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doesn't really get as good as
this.

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I I am with you.
Guys, I love this.

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Movie.
I am going to give it a 9.5.

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It's not.
It's not quite a 10 on

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devastating.
A huge blow to West Side Story.

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Them in Buffalo Trace.
What are they going to do

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02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:51,000
without Brad G's?
Approval West, Robert Weiss will

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02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:53,360
drown his sorrows.
In in Buffalo Trace.

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Right.
Exactly.

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Well, listen, we.
We have.

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Almost gone as.
Long as the film.

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Itself, you could, if you cut
out the intermission, you could

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02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:04,760
probably play this as a DVD
commentary track and it would be

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02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:07,040
damn good.
We want to say thank you to our

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02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:09,240
friend Patrick Williams for
hanging around with us for this

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02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,480
long.
Patrick, it's always a joy and a

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02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,680
privilege to have you here.
Tell the people what you're

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02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,200
working on and where we can find
you.

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02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:17,840
OK, cool.
So I'm on a break between

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seasons of my show.
We'll be back at some point late

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02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:24,280
February, early March.
We'll see.

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02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,720
But yeah, go go check out the
Patrick H Williams channel on

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02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:31,480
YouTube or Nebula, where I talk
about movies.

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02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:35,920
You know, it's scripted, so it's
more like eloquent and coherent

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02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:40,400
than this.
And and available exclusively on

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02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:44,000
the platform Nebula.
Go watch my 30 minute short film

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02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:50,120
The Dinner Plan.
It's a fun time and heavily

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02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:52,400
involves the color.
Red.

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02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:55,000
Let's.
It sure does.

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02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:56,160
I have.
I have.

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02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:58,640
Watched it sponsored.
By the color.

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02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:01,240
Red.
The color red, the art

2233
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:03,360
department and I had a had long.
Conversations.

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02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,000
About how are we?
Utilizing the color red.

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02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,640
Well guys, have you even seen
the red shoes come?

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02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:14,640
On man.
Guys, I, I will unashamedly.

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02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:20,600
Say, as a Nebula subscriber for
multiple years now, it's a great

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02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:24,600
platform, lots of great
creators, Patrick obviously

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02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:27,280
being one of them.
You should go check it out.

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Nebula's pretty dope.
Thank you.

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02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:32,560
I really appreciate that.
Yeah, that's the pull quote,

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02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:34,240
Nebula.
Pretty.

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02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,640
Dope, pretty dope guys.
If you would like to learn more

2244
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:40,920
about film and whiskey, you can
find us on any of our social

2245
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:42,880
media platforms.
Let us know what you think of

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02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:46,120
the film West Side Story.
You can find us on Facebook,

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02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:51,160
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or
YouTube at Film Whiskey.

2248
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:54,960
We also have a Discord server
where we talk about movies.

2249
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,800
And whiskey and all sorts of
stuff going on in life.

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02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:00,520
If you want to join the
conversation, you can find a

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02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:03,840
link to our server at the end of
every single one of our show

2252
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:06,680
notes.
Don't forget about our Patreon

2253
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:08,840
page, Patreon dot.
Com slash film.

2254
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:12,120
Whiskey, where you can subscribe
at three different tiers, you

2255
02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:15,960
get bonus episodes, you get
longer episodes, you get video

2256
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:18,120
episodes.
We would love to have you join

2257
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,840
our community at
patreon.com/film.

2258
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:26,120
Whiskey, Brad, we are coming
back next week to hold up West

2259
02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:29,440
Side Story against the film that
IMDb tells me is the greatest

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02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:34,040
movie ever made, 1994's The
Shawshank Redemption.

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02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:37,000
So join us for that one next
Tuesday.

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02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:41,120
But until then, I'm Bob Book,
I'm Brad Gee, and we'll see you

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02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:41,600
next time.