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In 1950 director, Billy Wilder
and star, William Holden gave

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the world a gloomy film about
the dangers of unchecked Fame.

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In 2023, we gotta Brad, we just
keep the training role in here

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with Benchmark.
Think we're like forfeits of the

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way through.
Now I have nothing.

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Clever to say.
Yeah, you think we're for?

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I'm not quite sure.
But I think we've done four out

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of five, The film is Sunset
Boulevard.

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The whiskey is Benchmark bonded,
and we'll review them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week we are moving into our

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second director of the Season.
It is that lauded

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writer-director of Classic
Hollywood, Billy Wilder.

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And Brad, this may be the first
movie that we're doing from

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Wilder this season, but it's our
fourth, Billy Wilder movie

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overall.
So, I think that after this

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miniseries is done, he will be
probably our third The

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most-watched director behind
Scorsese and Spielberg.

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I think he's going to be like
tied up with Hitchcock at this

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point.
Holy cow.

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That is quite a few.
Have we done five?

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How many Hitchcock films have we
done?

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I think we've done for so far so
he'll be he'll be in the lead

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and then Hitchcock's going to
lap him at the end of the season

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here.
I would say Hitchcock might be

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our most watched director by the
end of the season.

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I know right McCoy.
Put 55 Hitchcock's films at the

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end.
Season 7.

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Listen, you do what you gotta do
man on the Wilder front though.

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We're watching this movie last
night Brad, and you're juicing

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me, and you're like that.
Right?

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There is a billy Wilder fan
podcast on the wild.

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So we're watching this movie
last night and you send me a

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text in your like comparing it
to Some Like It Hot and the

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apartment.
And I had to remind you that

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Double Indemnity was also a
billy Wilder film.

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Hmm.
So I guess my Opening two

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questions to you Brad are.
Do you feel like you have a grip

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on Billy Wilder, as both writer
and director at this point?

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And how do you see Sunset
Boulevard fitting in with the

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three movies?
We've seen to this point?

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I I feel like I do have a pretty
good grip on Billy Wilder, as a

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writer as a director, you can
tell that he wants to push

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boundaries.
Mmm.

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You know, in 2023, looking back
on the 50s.

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It's hard to see that sometimes,
but if you have any idea of what

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the, what was the commission
called that would review movies

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that, you know, Hitchcock would
get in fights with the Hays

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code?
The Hays code?

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Yeah.
The the, the Hays code was wild

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and, and you could just tell
that Billy Wilder is

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uninterested in holding up the
status quo or Pro, you know,

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pro-america type of stuff.
Honestly, it kind of reminds me

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of when we talked about David
lean and His films are like

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weirdly, anti British
establishment.

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Like I feel kind of similarly
about Wilder.

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I think that with Sunset
Boulevard, for me personally,

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I've there was too much, and I
know this isn't him as a

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director, but there is too much
All About Eve and not enough

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Double Indemnity.
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I really love that comparison,
especially I'm will get into

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talking about this but
especially because all About Eve

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is the film that beats Sunset
Boulevard for the best picture.

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Oscar, in this year, they both
came out the same year.

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Yeah.
And so they've kind of been

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inexorably linked for, you know,
70-something years.

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Now I think our audience will
believe me.

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When I say, I genuinely didn't
know that.

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I didn't know that basic fact,
that I could have looked up at

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any point.
I mean, you know, I'm not just

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going to go look up 1951 Academy
Award.

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No, I know it's not like you
host a movie podcast or

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anything.
Let's get that.

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Let's get the hot Goss on 1951,
Oscars.

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I want to go back to something.
You were saying about Wilder

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just a second ago though, and I
think that a part of why he is

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able to so incisively just kind
of dissect American culture is

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because hey, he's an immigrant
and be.

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I just got this book from the
library just came in today and

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I'm so bummed I didn't get to
look at it before we record.

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Boarded this.
But the book is all about a

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group of Hollywood directors
that were Jewish immigrants from

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Europe and how all of them in
different ways were attracted to

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much darker storytelling that
got into like the underbelly of

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things in Hollywood or in
America, in general and Wilder

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is one of them.
And I think that those two

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things, you know, in tandem with
each other that not only is he

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an immigrant but he's an
immigrant who comes to America,

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you know, as the rise of fascism
is happening in Europe.

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He's coming with a ton of
cynicism and yet he kind of

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Falls in line with the big
literary figures of the time,

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right?
I mean, you know, people like F

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Scott Fitzgerald obviously had
died at this point, but when I

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read a book, like The Great
Gatsby and I look at the

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cynicism and the skepticism of
American culture in a book like

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that and then I look at what
Wilders doing its really is in

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the same vein.
And I think that you can really

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plot Wilder kind of like on a
Drum you know I guess the

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Spectrum would be my favorite
Wilder movies to my least

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favorite well their movies but
great Spectrum.

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You know, it's a very personal
Spectrum Brad but I think

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sometimes he gets so biting and
so relentless with the cynicism

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that it makes the movie harder
to enjoy and we'll get into

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talking about all this but this
movie comes you know, it's one

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of the first films released in
the 1950s and it really kicks

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off this wave of film Noir
coming out of the He's an into

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the 50s, which is kind of the
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film Noir where things get
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And the, and the protagonists
are less and less likable, and

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they have less and less that you
can relate with, and there's

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really nobody, you can root for
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And I think Sunset Boulevard For
Better or For Worse, is kind of

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the Prototype of that.
What year did the apartment come

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out?
1960.

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That's really interesting
because I feel like that movie,

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like, teetered on the edge.
Of being too dark to be

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enjoyable, but I feel like he
towed the line.

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They're much better than he does
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Like I saw somewhere that this
is described as like a black

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comedy and I just like the
apartment, I can see that, like,

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there's a Darkness there that
still, there's the comedic

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elements override it and the
end.

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Whereas this one, I don't think
I really found myself laughing

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all.
Is that all they like there's a

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few good lines that you kind of
laugh at and that was about it.

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Yeah, I think the some of the
situations are set up to be kind

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of Darkly funny, but a lot of it
is Hollywood in jokes and jokes

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isn't even really the
appropriate word because it's

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not it's not a funny movie in a
lot of parts.

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It's cynical it's really biting
but it's not like a chuckle

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Fest, right?
And the way that they break down

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the Hollywood System, it's not
done in good fun the way it's

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done a couple years after this
liking singing in the Rain.

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It's a completely different
takedown of the Hollywood system

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and I think where your bit where
you been reading those things

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Brad?
It's probably because you got to

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really know Hollywood history.
I don't want to say to enjoy

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this film, but to enjoy it to
its fullest potential the same

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way that you would.
If they made, you know, if they

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made a movie like this today and
I guess the, the analog to today

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would be this movie.
That just came out last year,

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from Damien, chazelle Babylon,
which deals with again, the

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silent era, but Wilder is
dealing with the end of the

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silent era and then 1950 being
present day, you're talking

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about, like 23 years between the
time.

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The talkies are introduced in
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This movie comes out, so it
would be as if we were

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referencing things from the late
90s, in a movie, that came out

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today.
And then you're asking somebody

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70 years on from now, to
understand all of our, like,

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Backstreet Boys references or
something.

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So it's like, you gotta, you
gotta have a little bit of

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background.
I think for this movie to make a

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Senses it needs to.
So I think it's time for us to

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segue into America's favorite
segment which we call Brad

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explains that's gonna give us
the movie plugged with only 60

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seconds ticking on the clock.
So let's go ahead and do you

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take with this little segment
that we call?

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Brad explains?
Yes, Brad explains the part of

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the podcast, where Brad breaks
down the film that he has just

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seen often for the first time.
This is very much Brad's first

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time seeing Sunset Boulevard and
I wise folks that we've been

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talking about this for you know
Nayan 10 minutes now.

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And if you haven't seen the
movie, then you have no idea

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what we're talking about.
Sunset Boulevard is perhaps

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Billy Wilder's.
Highest regarded movie ever is

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consistently ranked in the top
20 American movies ever made.

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But like I said, you have to
have a lot of background to

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understand this movie and so
Brad is going to at least fill

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in the background that you guys
need which is the plot of the

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movie.
Now again this is a spoiler

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filled We're going to get Brad,
you have 60 seconds on the clock

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to break down the plot of Sunset
Boulevard and go.

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William Holden is playing a
young man named Joe.

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Gillis who is a b-level script
writer in Hollywood, and he is

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down on his luck.
He's about to lose his car to

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some creditors and and being
chased by them down, a street.

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He blows a flat, he pulls into a
mansion and he finds out that

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this Mansion was owned is owned
by.

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And by a silent era movie star
named Norma Desmond.

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Now he slowly gets pulled into a
opportunity to rewrite a

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terrible script that she's
writing and he uses this to try

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to make some money and swindle
this.

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This older woman, she eventually
sucks him in with all the money

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and nice things and he moves in
there.

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There's a butler 10 seconds.
Is her ex-husband, he writes a

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script with Young lady, and
she's the worst and kills him.

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The young lady.
Sorry, the young lady, no Norma

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Desmond.
All right, well Brad, you've

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done it again, man.
I feel like we are in an even

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more muddy.
Murky fought the yeah.

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Alright, let's talk a little bit
about Sunset Boulevard, so Brad,

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where do you want to start
today?

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Do you want to kind of get some
of like the Hollywood history

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stuff on the table so that we
have a context to work with

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With, do you want to dive into
Billy Wilder?

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Don't want a donut.
Don't say anything else.

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Okay.
Just the first one.

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I watched this movie last night,
and it's my first time watching

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it in probably 10 years.
But I found myself saying, how

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in the hell did he get away with
this movie?

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Because 99.9% of the characters
in this movie and the names that

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are dropped in this movie are
real people who are like very

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much alive when this movie is
released because They're

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referring to an era in Hollywood
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That's not even a quarter
Century old.

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At this point, you know, Cecil B
Demille is an actor in this

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movie.
Playing Cecil B Demille, the

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famous movie director and Norma
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Swanson.
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star from the silent film era.
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movie about this aging silent
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He goes looking for real silent
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playing whatever game, Playing
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It is with what William Holden
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Hollywood friends.
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playing cards with her are real
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Hollywood and it's just amazing.
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like that people would sign on
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Knowing the attitude with which
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Holden is like so dismissive of
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calling them.
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Gloria Swanson, like it just
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many names attached to this
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in which they're basically
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no one pities them and like
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them, he gets Paramount Pictures
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Pictures in them like it, they
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this stuff to all be happening
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It's like, yeah, this stuff all
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Paramount releases the movie
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Did happen here, didn't it?
It's just like, it's, it's crazy

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to me, I can't imagine a studio,
a set of celebrities signing on

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to something like this today.
Do you think that the message of

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the movie kind of went over
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That like do you think that they
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surface level?
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kind of a tragic story of a
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head and, and here's the
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both.
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Wilder and his writing partner,
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the script kind of as they went
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too much to the studio.
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bits and pieces as they went in
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Billy Wilder was kind of such a
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they were like, yeah, sure.
This sounds great and let him do

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whatever he wanted, but I do
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Brad that, I don't know that.
Anyone anticipated, what a

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gigantic middle finger, this was
to everyone in the Hollywood

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ecosystem, including Wilder
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there's definitely stand-ins
like Wilder wrote stand-ins for

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himself into this movie and I
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the way that Hollywood spits up
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width.
That's portrayed on screen here,

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too.
So, there's a lot of, really

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interesting layers to this
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almost more interesting to talk
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who, and who's implicated.
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Talking about what actually
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ways?
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than was?
Was he the producer at the

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start?
That kind of, you know, won't

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really help them out.
I don't know man.

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I think for me, I like he's
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He's the guy that thinks too
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like, kind of a about everything
and doesn't seem to be satisfied

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with anything.
He's, you know, he's the asshole

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writer.
He's also Max the live in

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director of old that is now her
Butler and I think like you know

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if we can really get into
spoilers here, Brad the last

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scene in the movie where after
she has killed, Joe, she has

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completely become detached from
reality and she goes back up

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into her bedroom and she's
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And when The news cameras come
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her.
She thinks she's back on a movie

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set for the first time and it is
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heartbreaking and disturbing
ending because she finally gets

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what she's but she's been
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her this whole movie.
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most tragic way.
And what does Max have to do to

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get her to come down the stairs?
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director and yell.
A Shin to basically dupe her

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into going into her doom.
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admit would admit it or not, I
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himself.
He's implicating directors in

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that.
We are the people being

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directors that build these
people up into Idols that put

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them on a screen and that make
them lose all sense of reality

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and humanity and who they are
because we are directing and

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marching them into their Doom.
Like, I really do think he's

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implicating himself in that.
Well, here's the spicy bit then,

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which actor today will be just
completely bat losing it crazy

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in 20 years.
I'm not gonna go there, man.

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Dude, you're trying to get me in
trouble.

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Today, I can tell whoops.
Who's gonna move from Hollywood,

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is gonna listen to this product?
All right, man.

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Let's, let's dive into
performances because will unfold

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a little bit more of the Ins and
the layers as we identify the

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people who act in this movie.
So who would you like to start

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with Brad?
I mean, let's just start at the

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top for this one because
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anybody will know any of the
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Holden.
So yeah, let's start with Joe

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Gillis.
Mr. William Holden himself.

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Here's my question for you,
Brad.

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And this is our third William
Holden movie on the podcast

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after Bridge on the River, Kwai
and Network.

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Is William Holden a good actor.
Mmm.

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I like him in network a lot, I
do too but even a network I

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don't buy the dialogue that he's
spouting and it's great

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dialogue.
You know what I mean?

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I was going to say, I literally
just watch that the other day

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and I realized that movie is
just like 40 monologues back to

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back to back and they're all
good and they're all, they're

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all good and like maybe like 10
of the 40 are incredible.

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Yeah, yeah.
Um, is Will I am holding a good

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actor.
He is a good-looking actor, huh.

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I mean he takes his shirt off,
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And I'm like, oh, wow, dude,
dude, dude was working out.

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Here's the thing about William
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of William Holden, and the
character that keeps me from

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loving this movie.
Because, like I said, I think

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that Joe Gillis the character
tips too far.

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Hmm.
How do I phrase this I think to

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make a good film Noir character.
We talked with Double Indemnity

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about how sex is like a driving
force in film Noir.

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Like someone's always getting
seduced.

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Some dude is just listening with
the wrong head and getting led

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into things that he shouldn't be
and gets you know ends up

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getting killed 99 percent of the
time, I think you have to really

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strike a balance or be on a
spectrum where one end is like

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complete horn, dog, and the
other Is like piece of shit and

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I think Joe Gillis is a piece of
shit.

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I wish that he had a little bit
more of the like

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self-deprecating not taking
anything too seriously attitude

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that Fred MacMurray brought into
Double Indemnity which is like,

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he just always looked bemused.
Where is Joe?

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Gillis always looks like he's
just like miserable and judging

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everybody and again like you
don't have to make your

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protagonist be likeable person
and Billy Wilder.

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Did a hell of a job with Joe.
Gilles.

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But because everyone in this
movie is a victim, and everyone

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in this movie is also a
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It kind of makes you wonder,
like, who do I latch onto to get

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myself through this movie?
And I think the combo of Joe

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Gillis not being a great
character, and William Holden,

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probably not being the perfect
choice for this role keeps me

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from going all-in on this movie.
Here's a question for you.

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So, outside of the fact that
this is a new are like, why why

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do you think that this movie
chose to go?

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The murder route instead of the
him running off with Betty at

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the end of the film because the
like there's nothing about his

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character as written that makes
me think he wouldn't leave with

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Betty that like why does he
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I guess this is kind of getting
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portion of it but like why does
he resign himself as a character

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to a destitute life and Dayton
Ohio?

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I think that that's a good
question.

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I think that part of that
character has that sort of like,

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martyrdom, like, oh, I have to
always be the struggling writer.

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I also think that, like, I would
have hated this movie, if it had

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ended that way.
Because he didn't deserve a

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happy ending truly.
I mean, this from the bottom of

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my heart, he is a piece of shit
and like, he, he, he pretty much

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deserves everything that happens
to him in this movie.

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He has a, like, a twinge of a
conscience at Be two points in

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the movie where he finds out
that he has led Norma to try to

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commit, suicide and feel, so
guilty that he goes back to her.

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And then at the end of the movie
where he basically pushes Betty

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his love interest away so that
she can go marry a guy that's a

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better guy than he is.
And those are, those are the two

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Noble things he does in the
whole movie.

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But even then, those are all
tied up in other decisions.

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He's making that kind of
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So I don't know, man.
I just he seemed like a guy that

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was always destined to get shot
in the back and that's exactly

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what happens here, you know.
Yeah.

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Well, you were saying earlier
like, who are we supposed to

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attach to the only person you
can attach to is Betty?

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Schaefer has character Nancy
Olsen?

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Yes.
Yeah.

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Like, she's the only likable
part of the movie.

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I guess her fiance already is,
he's a nice kid.

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Yeah, you know, all of the
struggling artists in this movie

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seemed like good folks.
But that's had us about it.

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All right man let's talk about
almost had Norma Desmond.

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Let's talk about Gloria Swanson
as Norma Desmond because this is

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a role that is considered at the
same time.

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One of the best screen
performances ever and the

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inspiration in many ways for
like the term camp, like it is

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an over-the-top.
Like there's a reason that that

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drag queens model themselves
after Gloria.

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That in this movie, do you know
what I'm saying?

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Like it is, it is a both and
kind of performance and you can

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like, see the origins of The
Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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Yes, springing from her
performance.

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The thing is, though, I don't
think that.

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First of all, I don't think
she's a bad actress at all

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because we're a matters, like
she Nails it and the

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affectations that she does, I
kind of wondered throughout

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parts of the movie like oh is
this just what she thinks?

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She's supposed to be doing, but
then there are moments in the

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movie where she kind of like
drops the entire facade.

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Like there's a moment where
she's been impersonating.

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Charlie, Chaplin to try to
entertain William Holden and she

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jumps on the couch with him and
they're just as incredible.

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By the way, was a good Chaplet.
It looks an issue like hurt her.

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Charlie Chaplin impression was
awesome top-tier man.

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But yeah, she's just like laying
next to the William Holden on

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the couch, and there's none of
the Norma Desmond

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pretentiousness, and I'm like,
oh, okay.

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So she really is just portraying
a woman who is trying to put on

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airs and I Yeah, to that extent
and the extent that she sticks.

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The Landing at the end of the
movie.

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It's a pretty darn great
performance.

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Yeah.
She is easily the best part of

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this movie, like her ability to
portray a woman trying to cling

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to the vestiges of her stardom
is incredible.

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I like it is so over-the-top in
a way that is believable.

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And like that, that might sound
counterintuitive, but I can only

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imagine that somebody who's a
superstar of the first

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Superstars.
Like, this is an early time in

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the era of mass communication
and it's the first time there's

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ever been moving pictures and
she is one of the very first

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true Superstars.
So, like there's nobody who's

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set the template for her, you
know, we talk all the Time in

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the World of Sports about How
Michael Jordan set the template

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for how to deal with mass Fame,
in the era of the internet.

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And you know the 90s and early
2000s that people like Tiger

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Woods, followed and and LeBron
and others.

448
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,400
There is nobody to set the
template for the fictitious,

449
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,400
Norma Desmond.
And I think Gloria plays that

450
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,300
incredibly well.
Again, I just, I can't believe

451
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:03,700
the way this worked out to be a
real life thing because Gloria

452
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:08,400
Swanson was a major major movie
star in the silent film era and

453
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,000
the rise of talkies was her
undoing and she just kind of,

454
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:14,800
you know, she had gone off to
New York.

455
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,700
She was in theater.
So she wasn't like she became

456
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:20,400
Norma Desmond.
She was a working actress who

457
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,800
kind of got coaxed back to
Hollywood for this movie.

458
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:28,500
However, like I can't imagine
reading this script that has

459
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,400
been offered to you and reading
what they say about this person

460
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600
in the movie and the person
basically follows the same

461
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,400
trajectory as your career and
people call her washed up and

462
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,300
people call her a has-been and
people call her delusional.

463
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,800
And at every point there
undercutting this poor woman,

464
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,400
who thinks that she's going to
be adored again.

465
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,900
And it's like, no, they just
wanted your car and and I can't

466
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,800
imagine reading the script and
being like, yep, I don't see

467
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,500
anything here that I would
object to Like Wilder is asking

468
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,600
these people in his movie to
come back and relive the most

469
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,500
traumatic moments of their life,
and to play them in an even more

470
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:08,100
dramatic fashion.
And it's like, I don't know.

471
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:12,200
Like, do you think Brad that you
could put distance between

472
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,100
yourself Gloria Swanson and the
character Norma Desmond?

473
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,800
Put that distance there or is
there are the lines to blurred?

474
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Like, I feel like I would be
second-guessing at every Point.

475
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,900
Like, why are you doing this to
me, dude.

476
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Yeah.
I think that it would just take

477
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,400
an incredible amount of
self-awareness and humility to

478
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,100
say.
Yeah.

479
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,800
Like, I was a silent era movie
star.

480
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:39,300
And I've moved on from that era
and sure I'll come back to play

481
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:42,700
it this one time, but that's not
who I am anymore.

482
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:46,600
And that gives me the space to
be able to play it more

483
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,800
accurately.
Maybe, I don't know.

484
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,700
I don't think I could do it.
If you ask me to come back and

485
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:57,700
be the person I was in my 20s.
And my 40s or 50s, right?

486
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:00,200
Like like nah, bro, that's not
going to happen.

487
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,500
Like, we've got this perfect
character.

488
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:06,200
His name is Brad fee.
We want you to play them and

489
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,400
it's like everything you did bad
in college the screen.

490
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wait a minute.

491
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,900
We trying to do here, man.
Written by Robert, fuck.

492
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,900
All right, I think this is a
perfect segue into talking about

493
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:26,400
Erich, von stroheim in this
movie as Max, the Learn who you

494
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,300
find out is not only Norma's,
first husband, but is also a

495
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,500
famous, you know, a formerly
famous silent, film director and

496
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,600
this is where things get and I
hate using this word but that's

497
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,000
where they really get meta.
People like to talk about movies

498
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,500
that are very meta.
This is like, this movie is more

499
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,200
metal than maybe any movie I've
ever because there's so much

500
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,300
real life stuff dragged into
this movie.

501
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:56,300
Erich, von stroheim is one of
the master filmmakers of Cinema,

502
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,200
he wasn't, he's a real director.
He made a movie in the 1920s

503
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,200
called greed which is considered
one of the landmark movies in

504
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,500
history.
It was four hours long.

505
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,500
It was considered at the time it
was made the best movie ever

506
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,300
made and the studio watching it
next week, right?

507
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:17,000
The studio took it from him,
they chopped it down to like 90

508
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,800
minutes.
And then all the footage that

509
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,900
they cut out was lost basically
and over the years bits and

510
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,400
pieces have been recovered.
But you know we've gotten to the

511
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,000
point now Brad where I think
they've said that somewhere

512
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,600
between 80 and 90% of all movies
made during the silent era have

513
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,700
been lost forever.
And and greed is one of those

514
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,300
movies that we have pieced
together, I think they have like

515
00:29:38,308 --> 00:29:41,400
a two and a half hour, cut of
the movie now, but the rest of

516
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,200
its lost and that's Von
stroheim's Legacy is that the

517
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,700
Studio's them over?
And like now you have him

518
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:55,100
playing a washed-up director in
a movie with Gloria Swanson and

519
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,100
not only that.
That.

520
00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:01,400
But in real life, Erich von
stroheim directed Gloria Swanson

521
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,900
in a silent movie at the peak of
her powers.

522
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:07,400
When she hired him on to direct
a movie, it was never finished

523
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,900
because they had creative
differences and she stormed off

524
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:14,200
the set and the movie that you
see playing on the projection

525
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
screen in that famous scene,
where she does.

526
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,800
The I am big, it's the pictures
that got small, is the movie

527
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,000
that Erich von stroheim directed
her in.

528
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:30,900
Hmm, like I just Like, it feels
like this was he put all of his

529
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:35,500
actors into these, weird,
psychological, torture, e

530
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,600
moments, and ask them to relive
them through these characters.

531
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,500
But not read too much into it at
the same time.

532
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,600
I just don't know how these
people didn't murder Billy

533
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,500
Wilder.
Instead of Joe Gillis on the

534
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:51,200
said, yeah, I was going to say
if you've been listening, if you

535
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800
stayed with us thus far, if
there's anything that I can tell

536
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,900
you about Sunset Boulevard, Oh
avard super fun movie 10/10

537
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,900
would definitely recommend
light-hearted you know take have

538
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:07,100
a watch it with the first date.
It's going to be a blast.

539
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,100
I will say this before we go to
break, I know that I am a

540
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,400
long-winded person, you filming
whiskey Nation, you know, this

541
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,900
about me.
I don't think I've ever talked

542
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:20,500
this much in the first half of
an episode and Brad is talked so

543
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,500
little, so Brad, I really do
want to hear like whether it's

544
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,800
about the performances, Whether
it's just, you kind of getting

545
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,400
your mind around all the things
that we've laid out on the table

546
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000
thus far before we go to break,
I just want you to give us like

547
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:38,200
two minutes of whatever you
feel, you need to say to get off

548
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,900
your chest before we drink some
whiskey.

549
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:47,400
I feel like the worst part about
this film is the Noir murders

550
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,100
opening and ending, like I know
that that gives us the famous

551
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:55,700
scene of her, losing her mind
and coming down the thing.

552
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,500
But for some reason, it felt
shoehorned into the movie to me

553
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,000
and like, you know, the classic
narration of my death type of

554
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,500
thing which, you know, I've not
seen much new are, but I'm

555
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:14,200
guessing that's a Staple of the
genre that just didn't fit with

556
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000
the rest of it.
And then the the opening

557
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,100
sequence of him, you know, lying
to the creditors and then

558
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:22,600
getting in a car chase with
them.

559
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,300
Like it was the most obvious
setup in the history of setups

560
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,900
that like I was sitting there
going like really like this is

561
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:37,700
Billy Wilder like this feels
like a very bi-level script so

562
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,500
far.
And so stuff like that, kind of

563
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:43,100
took me out of the film a little
bit.

564
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,600
But if I'm being honest, I feel
like I've heard so much about

565
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,700
this film and yet, so little
that I walked into this film of,

566
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,200
almost as blind as you could on
a movie.

567
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,000
So famous and I walked away
pretty disappointed, Bob, I did

568
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,600
not.
It didn't click for me.

569
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:05,700
And the thing is, I like older
films.

570
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:10,500
I like the, the pacing and the
dialogue, and this one just

571
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:14,500
didn't do it for me, and I'm
hoping to maybe on Unpack more

572
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:18,100
of why in the in the second half
and not even unpack.

573
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,000
Like, I know why I don't like
it.

574
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,300
I want you to help me understand
why I don't like this movie, but

575
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,100
there's something about it and I
think maybe you you hit on it

576
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,200
earlier Bob, this movie feels
mean-spirited.

577
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,300
Yeah.
Yep.

578
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,200
And I maybe maybe that's it.
Maybe I'm just answered my own

579
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,100
question but man, it felt
mean-spirited and I I can get

580
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:46,000
down with dark films with Add
endings, but I don't know if I

581
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,500
can get down with just meanness.
Hmm.

582
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,000
Yeah, that's my big struggle
with this movie, too.

583
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:55,100
And again, I feel like you have
to give a disclaimer in 2023

584
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,900
because if you make any sort of
definitive statement, people

585
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:59,300
want to jump on it and argue
with it.

586
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:03,900
Like I know that unreliable
narrators are thing.

587
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,000
Not this movie has one, but I
know that you don't have to have

588
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,300
a likable protagonist.
I know that just because the

589
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,800
protagonist narrates something.
Doesn't mean the writer is

590
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,699
endorsing it, right?
Like we know all of these

591
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:20,199
things.
I understand that Joe Gillis is

592
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:25,199
a piece of shit and that his
judgments on the world are not

593
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,699
necessarily true.
Even if they are in some ways

594
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:32,199
accurate observations like the
condition of Norma's home and

595
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,699
things like that.
That doesn't compel me to keep

596
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:37,300
watching the movie.
Do you know what I mean?

597
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:40,800
Like, I can watch a movie with
unlikable characters, but there

598
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,400
has to be something for me to
latch onto that keeps me kind of

599
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,199
propulsively driving forward.
And, and Norma is a figure of

600
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,400
pity, especially in the last 20
minutes of the movie.

601
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,500
But she's also such a
manipulative figure that you

602
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:00,500
can't really keep watching the
movie out of pity for her

603
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,900
either.
So, like there's, there's no one

604
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,500
to latch onto.
Except for like you said, this

605
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,500
character of Betty Who is the
dullest and most boring

606
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,300
character in the movie.
And again I think it's by

607
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,100
Design.
So it's kind of like, I respect

608
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:17,600
what you're doing Billy Wilder
but it just isn't as

609
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,600
compulsively watchable for me as
some of your better works.

610
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Yeah, well I think, if we're
going to give our listeners

611
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,300
anything the latch onto about
this episode, it's going to be

612
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,200
some whiskey reviews.
Yeah, dude.

613
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,200
So let's let's let's get into
this fourth of five been Each

614
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,200
marks were reviewing to kick off
this season.

615
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,400
This one is called Benchmark
bonded.

616
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,700
What do you say?
Let's go Bond.

617
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:44,500
Bob.
So, here's the deal everybody.

618
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,200
We just absolutely love
producing as much content as

619
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,100
possible for film and whiskey
Nation.

620
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,900
But if our regular episodes
aren't enough for you, then you

621
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:57,600
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film whiskey sign up for one of

622
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,300
our memberships and you will get
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623
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,600
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Pleasure, check us out on.

624
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:12,600
On.com film whiskey.
Alright, everybody.

625
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,000
As Bob said, this is Benchmark
bonded.

626
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Now, if you are an astute
listener, the filming was he

627
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,500
podcast, you will have already
guessed that Benchmark.

628
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,100
Bonded is a 100 proof whiskey
Bob.

629
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,900
Now, why would they have known
that?

630
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,400
They would have known that Brad
because of the bottled in bond

631
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,100
act that came out in the 1890s
which basically was the US

632
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,200
government's way of regulating
the spirits industry, so that

633
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,300
they weren't selling poisonous
Hooch to the American public.

634
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,300
So if you, if you've been
listening to us for a long time,

635
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,700
you probably know this if you're
a big bourbon Drinker, you

636
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,100
probably know this already, but
to be considered bottled in

637
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:57,100
bond.
A whiskey has to be aged 44

638
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,800
years in a government Bonded
Warehouse, it has to be bottled

639
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,200
at 100 proof.
It has to be the product of one

640
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,400
Distillery season, so
distilleries have two seasons of

641
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,200
the year that they, that they
distill in.

642
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:15,200
You can't blend across Seasons.
There's a couple more items that

643
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,500
you have to fulfill to check the
boxes for bottled and bond, but

644
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:20,800
those are the big ones.
So when you see something say

645
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,100
it's bottled and bond, you
automatically know it's 100

646
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,300
Proof.
It's not 101.

647
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,100
It's not a 99.
It is 100 Proof, dude.

648
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:31,000
You just nailed it.
Your that that was I'm like

649
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,200
stunned silence over here.
Wow.

650
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,300
Wow, wow.
The only reason that I said,

651
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:39,700
1890s is because I can't
remember if it's 1894 1897 and

652
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:41,300
didn't want to stick my foot in
my mouth.

653
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400
So we're just going to say, 92,
I don't freaking know.

654
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,300
All right, man, let's drink some
Benchmark.

655
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,300
So again, if you've been
listening to us this season, we

656
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:54,300
are drinking five, new releases.
That Buffalo Trace is bottling

657
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,700
Under The Benchmark, label.
We started with the cheapest one

658
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,900
and the lowest proof, and we're
working our way up to the

659
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,600
highest proof one.
So we really liked the first

660
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,700
week, Benchmark, top floor.
The second week we were very

661
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,400
split on that was The Benchmark.
Small, batch.

662
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Last week we tried Benchmark,
Single Barrel which Neither of

663
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,100
us liked and so, we're hoping
that we can really get back on

664
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,200
track here with this hundred
proof Benchmark bonded.

665
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Yeah, and as I jumped into the
nose on this one, I found a

666
00:38:22,607 --> 00:38:26,300
decent amount of like, like
right off the pop, some cinnamon

667
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,500
and then it led into like a
really nice caramel apple.

668
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,900
There was some Oak and the
longer I sat with it the more I

669
00:38:33,908 --> 00:38:39,900
got like a mixed berries feel
and I really liked it, it was a

670
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,400
solid approachable.
Knows that I give a 7 out of 10

671
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,800
to, I also gave it a 7.
I had pretty much the exact same

672
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,400
notes caramel jumped out to me
with Buffalo Trace.

673
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,700
Oak is always going to be a note
on the nose, on the taste on the

674
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,100
finish.
I find sometimes that Buffalo

675
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,600
Trace products are like overly
Okie especially on the finish.

676
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,500
And, you know, spoiler alert
that kind of happens here too.

677
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,400
But those were the notes I got
brown sugar and green apple.

678
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,200
There was a lot of apple peel on
this.

679
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,300
I will say Brad, that one of the
concerning things with

680
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,500
Benchmark.
These five benchmarks were doing

681
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,900
is that as they go up in proof,
the alcohol is not only just

682
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:22,700
present on the palate, but it's
like, really, really noticeable

683
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,600
on the nose, too.
Like this had a very ethanol

684
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,500
forward nose to me, and that's
kind of what kept it from

685
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,600
getting a higher score.
So I also gave it a 7 out of 10

686
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,400
on the nose.
Yeah.

687
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,900
But for me, when we moved into
the palette, I really enjoyed

688
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,300
it.
There was like almost like a

689
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,300
Juicy Fruit.
Gum flavor at the tip of my

690
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:48,100
tongue and there was some nice
sweet Savory almost caramel.

691
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,800
And then I got some of those
baking spices.

692
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Again, I got a little bit of
nutmeg, some cinnamon.

693
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,300
I give it an 8 out of 10 on the
pallet Bob, this is like a

694
00:39:56,300 --> 00:40:01,400
really solid b-minus type of
palette.

695
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,300
I didn't get almost any of that
man.

696
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,800
I found that the exact same
notes that were on the knows

697
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,700
where they're on the palate,
except that it was Eva no cure

698
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,000
than it was on the nose.
And again, like Not expecting

699
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,900
much from this.
This is a 20-something dollar

700
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,400
bottle of whiskey.
I think so like you know, it is

701
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,400
what it is man, but I didn't
find it to open up.

702
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,400
I didn't find it to get any more
complex.

703
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,900
And so, I'm once again, just
going to give it a 7 out of 10

704
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:29,000
on the taste ma'am.
Yeah, I for me, the Finish moved

705
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,100
into some rye area, like I'm
sure that there's not much Ryan

706
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,700
this but I got a little bit of
rice spice.

707
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:40,200
It was very Oaky, there's a
little bit of leather, I'd put

708
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,200
it in between the two.
So I'll give it a seven and a

709
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,300
half.
Yeah, for me, on the finish, I

710
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,200
thought it actually turned a bit
sour.

711
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,500
Like it didn't taste like, sour
apple, but it tasted like the

712
00:40:49,508 --> 00:40:51,800
grain kind of soured in my mouth
a little bit.

713
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,800
As I went to swallow, it wasn't
like the most okey thing, but I

714
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,400
think that, that the, the
bitterness of the oak mixed,

715
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,800
with the fact that a kind of
soured, for me, it definitely

716
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,300
came down a step on the finish.
I'm going to give it a 6 out of

717
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:09,100
10.
Yeah, and then with balance, I

718
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:13,500
think that this has some decent
complexity of flavor there.

719
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,100
There's some fruitiness some
traditional caramel, brown sugar

720
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:21,100
notes and then there's those
baking spices that for me.

721
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,100
Take it up a notch like this
like this moves from being like,

722
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,800
okay sure.
It's a fine 20-dollar.

723
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,100
Whiskey to like oh there's some
like spiciness going on here

724
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,400
that I wasn't expecting.
So I give it a 7 and a half out

725
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,600
of ten on the balance.
Yeah, I'm just going to give it

726
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,900
a six and a half and that's It's
between the sevens that I gave

727
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,400
the nose and taste and the six
that I gave the finish, I think

728
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,800
it's pretty good but it's
nothing special.

729
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,800
You know, like and and that's
kind of what we're expecting

730
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,500
from this whole line.
I think Brad, if we could be

731
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:54,400
frank here, neither of us are
expecting to find a 10/10

732
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,300
whiskey here.
What we might be expecting to

733
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,400
find is a 10/10 value and like,
yeah, that's a lot of our

734
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,900
evaluation of a whiskey is like,
hey man, like this is like a

735
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:09,000
seven out of ten whiskey.
But they're charging $18 for it.

736
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,800
I can't recommend this easier to
you, you know?

737
00:42:11,808 --> 00:42:14,100
I mean, how do you pass that up?
Exactly.

738
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,800
So I'm not expecting a lot here,
but even at that point, like I'm

739
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,200
still just gonna give it a six
and a half.

740
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Yeah.
So that brings us to our final

741
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,300
category value in the beautiful
state of Ohio.

742
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,300
You can purchase this whiskey
for $20, on the dot 1999.

743
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,300
The pricing structure of these
makes no sense to me.

744
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,800
Like I just Understand how their
pricing these out because it's

745
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,700
like the top floor was 15.
The small batch was 18.

746
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000
This is 20 Single Barrel, was
25.

747
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
And then there's a foolproof
coming next week, which I think

748
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,800
is still less than the Single
Barrel.

749
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Like I just I just don't get it.
I think it's twenty two or

750
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
three.
I want to say listen at twenty

751
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,500
dollars is a pretty good
whiskey.

752
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,500
You can't get a lot of bottled
in bond Bourbons for less than

753
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:05,000
20 anyway.
You know, old Granddad is right

754
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,300
in there.
I know a lot of people like old

755
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,000
granddaddy.
Dad, Evan Williams is right in

756
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,200
this range to this is kind of in
line with those ones and I think

757
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,900
for 20 bucks you could do a lot
worse when it comes to picking a

758
00:43:16,908 --> 00:43:18,400
whiskey.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

759
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,000
10 on value.
Yeah.

760
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,500
I'm in the exact same spot 8 out
of 10.

761
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:26,200
This is a really solid value in
the world of budget whiskey.

762
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:31,000
So, yeah, that is bringing me
out for my total to a 38 out of

763
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,200
50, Bob.
Oh, wow.

764
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,600
Okay, you're a little bit higher
than me.

765
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:40,600
I met a 34.5 out of 50.
Takes us to a 72.5 out of 100 or

766
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,800
thirty six point.
Two five out of 50.

767
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,500
Now generally we have found it
to be true that once we hit that

768
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:50,700
35 out of 50 mark on average or
like a 70 out of 100.

769
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,800
That's where we start.
Recommending, you know, it might

770
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,100
not be like a wholehearted
recommendation but it's, you

771
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,200
know, it's a 7 out of 10 like
it's a pretty solid thing that

772
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,200
you can get.
I think Brad, that if you want

773
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,700
to try this one, I would
recommend just going ahead and

774
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,600
buying the whole bottle, like,
it's really not.

775
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,000
Worth getting a six dollar poor
of this.

776
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,300
When you can get the whole
bottle for 20 bucks like all

777
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,700
Buffalo Trace products.
I think that this would be make

778
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:19,100
a really good mixer because it
has that okey backbone to it,

779
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:22,900
but it is pretty good meat or
could stand up on the Rocks as

780
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:25,900
well.
I still think that the top floor

781
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,600
from week one was my favorite
one in this lineup so far.

782
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,900
Yeah which is not something that
I would have expected.

783
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:36,500
I think for me the small batches
my favorite but even that, you

784
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,800
know, You don't necessarily
expect the 90 proofer to be your

785
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,100
favorite in a lineup, but here
we are.

786
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,400
Here, we are, man.
I feel like in some weird way

787
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,300
that we will understand.
Once we wrap this episode up,

788
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,700
this is a perfect pairing with
Sunset Boulevard.

789
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:53,900
Haha.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know why I

790
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:55,100
feel this way.
It's like a whiskey.

791
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,900
I can't quite get behind in a
movie that I can't quite get

792
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,300
behind, but hey, yeah.
You know, why not?

793
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,200
Yeah.
Sure.

794
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,500
Oh, speaking of a movie I can't
quite get behind.

795
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,600
How about we go?
Back to Sunset Boulevard.

796
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,900
Let's do it, man.
All right, everybody, that was

797
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,500
Benchmark bonded, a whiskey that
we drink.

798
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,700
We sure did man.
Drink the heck out of that

799
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,900
whiskey.
We got what it deserved just

800
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,700
like Joe Gillis that that's
right.

801
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:30,500
You know what we're about to do
though Bob hopefully not give me

802
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:33,700
what I deserve here because we
are getting into Canada's

803
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:38,800
favorite segment, two, facts.
And a falsehood is gonna try to

804
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:46,900
stop you Bob All right, and what
is wrong to fax in a faucet?

805
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
That's right.
Two facts.

806
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,300
And a falsehood, this is the
segment where Brad presents

807
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,500
three items to me, as fact all
about the making of this movie,

808
00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:00,000
one of which is a complete
fabrication on Brad's part now

809
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,800
Brad, I am hoping that I can get
back on track today because I'm

810
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,300
one and two on the season.
And a lot of stories dealing

811
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,400
with Sunset Boulevard have
become Hollywood Legend in and

812
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,600
of themselves.
So I'm hoping that My little bit

813
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,600
of knowledge about this movie
will help me out on this one but

814
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:19,900
that remains to be seen man.
Hit me with your two facts in a

815
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:24,500
falsehood.
Alrighty fax number one Norma's

816
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:26,700
bed.
Originally belonged to French

817
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,900
actress Gabby daily.
Universal bought it from her.

818
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,900
Well, on her death in 1920 and
it was used in several movies

819
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,300
most notably in the Phantom of
the Opera in 1925.

820
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,700
Hmm.
Fax number to the first name of

821
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,600
the Joe, Gillis character was
Bill in an early draft of the

822
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,500
screenplay, then it was altered
to Richard.

823
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,200
And finally, just before filming
began.

824
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,000
It was changed to Joe.
Okay, that's number three,

825
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,000
according to Cameron Crowe who
Shadow Billy Wilder in his

826
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,300
Twilight years, a typical day in
his office would consist of him

827
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:07,800
answering numerous phone calls,
from people requesting for him

828
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,600
to remake this film and he would
inform them that he didn't own

829
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:18,200
the rights and promptly hang up.
Okay, I'm good just for the sake

830
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
of argument I'm going to say
three is a truth because Cameron

831
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,900
Crowe very famously wrote a book
out of his Oceans with Billy

832
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,300
Wilder and he got very inventive
with the title.

833
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,600
I think it's called
conversations with Billy Wilder,

834
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,000
at on the wild front on the
Wilder front, I checked that

835
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,100
book out of the library for some
Billy Wilder research and I

836
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
didn't read that exact quote in
it.

837
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:44,400
When I was reading about Sunset
Boulevard, but I did read a

838
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,200
quote where he was giving an
interview in his Twilight years

839
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,600
where he was complaining about
everything in Hollywood being a

840
00:47:49,607 --> 00:47:51,300
remake.
And he was talking about like,

841
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:53,300
you know, look at all those
people over there.

842
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:54,600
I'm gonna typewriters the Right
now.

843
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,500
They're writing, Jaws 3 and
return of this.

844
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:02,700
And so how do you think he would
feel in 2023?

845
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,100
Bob the state of 08 of cinnamon
would have written the best

846
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:11,200
Ant-Man movie that anyone could
have been Billy Wilder's and man

847
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,900
I'm going to say three is true.
Number one, sounded true enough.

848
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,500
Number two is interesting
because like, I mean, sure maybe

849
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,600
he was named Bill that character
was also really hard for them to

850
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,900
cast.
I know they offered it to

851
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:25,000
Marlon.
Brando.

852
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,900
And then they offered it to
Montgomery Clift before finally

853
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,500
settling on, William Holden.
So I have no idea.

854
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,600
If they changed the character's
name or not.

855
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,800
I'm gonna say to is the
falsehood, just cause it sounds

856
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:45,700
like a brad G invention to me.
Bob, you are 100% correct.

857
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:50,400
Yeah, you're back to 500 baby.
You don't shoot bill in the

858
00:48:50,408 --> 00:48:52,200
back.
You shoot, Joe in the back.

859
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,400
That's right.
That's just science.

860
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:02,800
So, you got me on a quick one.
Originally, my falsehood was

861
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,100
about the character of Max, and
I had researched famous silent

862
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,900
film directors, and Ernst
lubitsch came up.

863
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,800
And I was going to say that he
was supposed to be the Cecil B

864
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,800
Demille part, but he didn't want
to be in the movie.

865
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,100
And so, they repurpose that
character into the Layer 0 and

866
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,000
that probably would have tricked
me really.

867
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:32,500
Yes, because Billy Wilder
famously like worshipped Ernst

868
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,200
lubitsch.
He like the point where he had I

869
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,300
just read this the other day.
He had a plaque in his office.

870
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:40,100
That basically said, like it
when he was in a spot.

871
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,000
He would look at this plaque and
it would say like what would

872
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,900
lubitsch do?
Yeah.

873
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,700
And hanging.
There you go.

874
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:47,800
Ernst lubitsch.
Not just a silent director will

875
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,400
probably do at least one of his
movies on the Pod someday.

876
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Yeah yeah, yeah because earlier
you talked about Erich von

877
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,000
stroheim and I was like, wow she
well he knows too much about

878
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200
that character.
I got a strike that you totally

879
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,300
would have got me on that one
man.

880
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,100
Man II over thought myself
alright, I am back to 500 and we

881
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,900
are back into talking about
Sunset Boulevard.

882
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,100
Brad I don't have too much more
to say about this movie.

883
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,900
I feel like we kind of gave away
our feelings about it in the

884
00:50:17,908 --> 00:50:21,600
first half we do we did not bury
the lead on that one.

885
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,400
Very well.
All right, so is he Is the

886
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,700
question.
How are you good?

887
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,300
Was there anything outside of
the Hollywood Schmutz coming out

888
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,600
of this film?
Or the acting performances?

889
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,800
Like this is supposedly his
Masterpiece, right?

890
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,800
That's what people say.
What would point you to say that

891
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,100
outside of him, spilling the
beans on all the Hollywood

892
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,300
stuff?
Like was the cinematography,

893
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:52,000
great was the lighting.
Awesome was there.

894
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,600
Sound design.
That really wowed you like,

895
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:58,600
other than the acting and the
script like, was there anything

896
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,300
about this film?
That made you go?

897
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,200
Wow, I really took notice of
that.

898
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,700
That's that's Billy Wilder and
its finest.

899
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,400
I think some of the dialogue is
really great and it has, you

900
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,300
know, at least two of the most
famous lines ever written for

901
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,700
movies in.
I referenced in one, the, I am

902
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:15,600
big.
It's the pictures that got small

903
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,400
great line.
And then the very famous like

904
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,100
it's been done in every Looney
Tunes episode at the very end of

905
00:51:22,107 --> 00:51:24,400
the movie, which is, you know.
All right, mr.

906
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,200
DeMille, I'm ready for my
close-up which gets kind of like

907
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,800
twisted up into, I'm ready.
For my close-up, mr.

908
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,700
DeMille.
Which is not actually what she

909
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,100
says, but it's like it falls
into that Casablanca thing of

910
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,900
Play It Again, Sam, which is not
what they really said.

911
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:42,200
So, you know, you can't knock a
script that has two lines like

912
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,600
that in it.
I do think that this is one of

913
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,000
those scripts from Wilder, where
it feels like, He's throwing

914
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,500
like 85 possible really good
lines at the wall and seeing

915
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,200
what sticks and some of them
stick really well.

916
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,400
And some of them are like, all
right, you sound too clever

917
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,800
there and I don't have that
feeling with him as much in some

918
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,000
of the movies that work a little
stronger for me.

919
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:09,800
So I think the script is good
but again Brad I think part of

920
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,100
the reason why it's hard for us
to wrap our arms around this

921
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:15,200
movie aside, from all the
reasons we've said already is

922
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,200
like Think about a movie like
the apartment or like Double

923
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,900
Indemnity where they're dealing
with upper-middle-class to lower

924
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,300
middle class people in a very
specific point in time and like,

925
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,200
take the apartment, for example,
the inside of that office

926
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,900
building is very mid-century
modern, there's like no wasted

927
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,300
space.
You understand exactly what it's

928
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,800
supposed to look like and how
everyone crowds into that.

929
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,200
Office, CC Baxter's wardrobe.
Is, you know, single man in his

930
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,400
early 30s and Shirley maclaine's
War.

931
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,700
Rob is I work in an elevator,
right?

932
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,300
Like, there's not a lot to think
about and nothing seems out of

933
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:53,600
place.
In the time.

934
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,800
Whereas, in Sunset Boulevard, I
read a lot about like the

935
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Wardrobe design and and the set
design in this movie and I still

936
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,500
don't know if I understand it
all because some of it was

937
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:09,200
designed to look purposely gaudy
and some of it was designed to

938
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,900
look purposely outdated and to
mimic some of like the really

939
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:17,200
over the top trends in like the
1920s in He would when people

940
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,700
built those big houses and some
of it was supposed to look very

941
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:24,900
modern and Chic.
And because it's 70 years later

942
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,300
and I have no idea what was
popular in women's, like very

943
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,800
wealthy, women's haute couture
in 1950.

944
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,900
Like I don't know.
If I was sitting in the audience

945
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:38,300
in 1950, I feel like I would
have been like, oh yeah, that

946
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:40,700
looks outdated.
Oh yeah, that's really what a

947
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,300
amazing outfit.
She's wearing now and

948
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:46,200
70-something years on from that
I'm like, okay, this all looks

949
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,300
outdated to me.
So I don't know what's a comment

950
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:52,000
on what?
And I feel like probably smarter

951
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,700
Minds than myself.
Have watched this movie and

952
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,900
know, all those references, even
the ones that I don't and I get

953
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,100
it, I get why people love this
movie, but it just seems like

954
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:07,200
the kind of movie that you have
no more and more and more about

955
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,700
Hollywood history and about the
Contemporary time of 1952,

956
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,100
appreciate it to its fullest I'm
going to I'm going to poke fun

957
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,800
at you for a second.
Bob, that was the most Bob

958
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,700
answer to a question I've ever
heard because I literally asked

959
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:28,200
outside of the Hollywood stuff
and the dialogue.

960
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,300
What stood out to you and you
talked about the dialogue and

961
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:34,900
then the Hollywood.
I'm sorry.

962
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:40,500
Man.
It did it did it did like that

963
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:43,200
answered my question.
That like, that answered

964
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,300
everything I need to know about
this movie.

965
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,600
Listen, the shot of him in the
swimming pool dead.

966
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,300
Is the coolest shot ever.
Like weather, and it's wet.

967
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,200
It's like, from underneath him
looking up and out of the water

968
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,700
because they couldn't do that
with movie cameras in the 50s.

969
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:02,500
Like, yeah, they tried to design
a box that the camera could go

970
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,200
in and it didn't turn out very
well.

971
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,000
And so they actually ended up
rigging a mirror in the bottom

972
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,800
of the pool that they filmed
from outside the pool.

973
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,400
And it just like, they just
happened to float him in the

974
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,100
perfect way.
It's just such a cool shot, I

975
00:55:17,107 --> 00:55:20,500
don't know.
Yeah, that that is pretty cool.

976
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,100
See, even that I would have not
known that.

977
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,800
I just thought it looked like a
Cheesy rough special effect of

978
00:55:27,808 --> 00:55:30,800
the 1950s.
And that one shot is why it's

979
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,400
considered the 15th best movie
of all time.

980
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,900
That's what did it.
That's the one that it's

981
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,400
basically basically Lawrence of
Arabia.

982
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:43,000
All right, man, I think we are
ready to segue into our final

983
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,500
segment of the day and it is one
that we call.

984
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:49,600
Let's make it a double well
nearly The end of the episodes

985
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,300
of thanks for listening to the
film and whiskey show.

986
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:53,900
Let's pair another film with
this one.

987
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:56,300
Even if it's struggle, it's a
final segment of the day.

988
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:59,700
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double the part

989
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:03,100
of the podcast, where Brad makes
something up at the very last

990
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,400
second.
Oh, you mean, every part of the

991
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,800
podcast?
Same was Bill.

992
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:14,400
Hey man, I was trying.
All right, all right, all right.

993
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,300
So Brad, what is?
Let's make it a double.

994
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,200
Let's make it a It's the part of
the show where we consider

995
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,700
ourselves to be the finest of
employers on the planets.

996
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,700
The people who run Drive-In
Cinema.

997
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:35,300
Hmm, what movie would weep are
on a Friday night movie.

998
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,600
Showing, what would we pair with
Sunset Boulevard?

999
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,700
And Bob, I think, for me, I
mentioned it already.

1000
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:47,200
There's only really one choice,
and I think it's, I think it's

1001
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,900
All About Eve.
Like, I don't know what else to

1002
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,900
pair this movie with.
I mean, I guess you could do

1003
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:59,200
something from the modern era
that like, you know, comments on

1004
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Hollywood, you know, we've
talked about how the, the

1005
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,900
academy loves to give Academy
Awards, two movies that talk

1006
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,800
about the making of movies.
So you know, I'm sure there's

1007
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,700
some other ones out there that
would fit it.

1008
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:17,300
But as far as the dark tone and
disappointment in my soul as I

1009
00:57:17,308 --> 00:57:20,700
watched them, I think that all
body fits perfectly.

1010
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,100
All right, I have two things to
add so the idea that Hollywood

1011
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:30,500
loves to give Oscars two movies
that are about making movies is

1012
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,100
true now, but it wasn't true
until like 10 years ago and like

1013
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,500
Sunset Boulevard versus All
About Eve is the famous example

1014
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,900
of this IMovie can win a ton of
oscars, but if it was about

1015
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:44,500
making movies, it never won best
picture.

1016
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,500
And this was something that I
remember seeing tracked in an

1017
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:51,800
article when The Aviator came
out in 04, and how it was like

1018
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,800
neck and neck with
million-dollar baby for best

1019
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,200
picture, but that history was
not on its side and then lo and

1020
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,900
behold, it doesn't win the Oscar
Million Dollar Baby wins the

1021
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:02,700
Oscar.
And it's not until the artist

1022
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,300
wins best picture, and then Argo
wins.

1023
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:07,300
Best picture the year after
that, and there's were both

1024
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:10,300
about making Movies that that
street got broken.

1025
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:12,800
But if you really wanted a pair
this with something else, I

1026
00:58:12,808 --> 00:58:15,200
guess you could do like a
Singing in the Rain to see it

1027
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,200
done in a more lighthearted way
you could pair it with something

1028
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,100
like Babylon, which I just
mentioned.

1029
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:24,800
But All About Eve really is like
the example to pair this with

1030
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,800
and especially since they come
out in the same year.

1031
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,300
I've always preferred All About
Eve.

1032
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:33,300
I think it walks that line of
like it's cynical, but it's kind

1033
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:37,200
of like, I don't like to use the
b word to describe movies.

1034
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,100
Brad.
And I also like, I feel like the

1035
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:42,100
word caddy is kind of just a
stand-in for that but bore

1036
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,100
boorish, you know, what the word
meant.

1037
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,900
Yeah, right.
But you know what I mean?

1038
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:49,300
When it's a movie about like,
backstage cattiness and

1039
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:53,900
backstabbing, and it's done in
this, kind of, like, almost fun

1040
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:54,900
way.
We're like everyone's

1041
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:57,400
backstabbing each other.
It's a serious movie, but it's

1042
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,800
like, oh, you just get to watch
women be vicious to each other

1043
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:04,500
and it's it's a lot more fun of
a watch.

1044
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:08,500
Then I think Sunset Boulevard is
I guess my question to you is

1045
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,600
having not really loved either
movie, which do you prefer.

1046
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,400
No, you know, it has been a
really long time.

1047
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,400
Since we watched All About Eve.
I think that was like maybe

1048
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,800
season 3.
I don't know if I remember it

1049
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,900
well enough to compare it.
I don't know man.

1050
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:32,000
Sunset Boulevard didn't sit well
with me.

1051
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,400
Like, I felt really unsettled at
the end of it and I don't think

1052
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,300
I'll say this, I think that
Sunset Boulevard is the better

1053
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:45,700
made better scripted film, so
interesting, but I think I would

1054
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,300
rather go back and watch All
About Eve.

1055
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:52,100
Yeah, that didn't make me feel
as icky Lou.

1056
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:54,400
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1057
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,600
As Sunset Boulevard did.
All right, it's time for final,

1058
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,800
Gore's Brad.
I have been really teetering on

1059
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,300
this movie because I recognize
that if I give it anything lower

1060
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,200
than like an eight and a half
then like the classic film Gods

1061
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,500
shall strike me down.
But I think if I'm being frank

1062
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,700
and I'm being honest, like I'll
give it an eight but I don't

1063
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:15,100
think I like it any more than
that.

1064
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,700
So I'm gonna give this movie an
8 out of 10.

1065
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:19,900
Yeah.
I think I'm going to give it a 6

1066
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:24,700
and a half Bob.
Wow, okay I like I recognize

1067
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:27,600
that it is great.
I think that glorious.

1068
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,200
Johnson's performance is really
really transcended.

1069
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,500
Like I think she does a great,
great job.

1070
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,800
There's just something about it.
I've said it multiple times,

1071
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,000
didn't sit well with me.
I walked away from the film just

1072
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,400
feeling gross.
Now, like the fact that that is

1073
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,700
the intention does that like, do
you respect it more for that?

1074
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:54,500
Or is it still just like, nah?
No.

1075
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:58,600
Okay.
Nah, there's certain movies that

1076
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,400
accomplish what they were going
for and I still feel worse off

1077
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,400
as a human being for having
watched it.

1078
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:08,300
I would put this movie in that
category.

1079
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:11,500
I would put nocturnal animals.
Is that what it's called?

1080
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,600
Yeah, I almost am angry that I
said it.

1081
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,400
Because that might mean somebody
to watch it.

1082
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:18,100
Don't watch that movie.
I like that.

1083
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:21,400
Oh, I hated that.
I know.

1084
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,300
I know you've talked about it
before, all right.

1085
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:25,900
So weird.
So yeah, yeah, we're coming out

1086
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:29,900
to a seven point two five out of
10 on Sunset Boulevard, which I

1087
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:33,000
think is currently ranked as the
16th best movie ever made by the

1088
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000
American Film Institute.
So, we would like to know what

1089
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,800
you think film in whiskey
Nation, if you've seen this

1090
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,400
classic movie, I want you to let
us know where you fall on it, do

1091
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,900
you fall closer to where we are
on the Spectrum or closer to the

1092
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:48,600
American Film Institute?
You can find us on all of our

1093
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,700
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1094
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:56,200
freshly?
Again on Tick-Tock at film

1095
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,900
whiskey.
I don't know if you could say

1096
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:04,500
tick tock more like a boomer,
the tick-tocking we're on

1097
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:09,400
Tick-Tock Bob.
We're also on this fancy little

1098
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,100
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1099
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:18,100
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1100
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1101
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1102
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,800
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1103
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,400
show notes.
Next week we'll be back with

1104
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,700
Billy Wilder's 1953 film a
Stalag 17 but until then I'm Bob

1105
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:38,800
book I'm Brad G and we'll see
you next time.