Season 10 Finale: The Final Four, The Filmies & A Very Controversial Champion

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Today on the Film and Whiskey
podcast, we are wrapping up

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season #10 Brad, we're finally
getting to take a break.

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I can't wait.
Oh, and we're also reviewing a

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Whiskey.
Brad, tell the folks about the

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whiskey we're trying today.
Today we are going to be

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drinking Bardstown Bourbon
Company's Cascadia Gary Anna Oak

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Barrel Finish, a whiskey that I
am very excited to try.

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Bob, That's all.
Ahead on film and whiskey.

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Well, hey everybody, welcome
into the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
And for the last time in season

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#10 Brad, we are coming at you
with another special bonus

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episode.
Bonus episode.

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It's music to my ears every time
you do it, man.

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Brad, we actually don't have
that that much on the agenda

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today.
We can take our time episode.

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It's gonna go for an hour. 4.
Minutes.

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Let's just be honest here.
You know, it's funny because of

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all the things that I didn't
pull up in prep for this

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episode, I did not pull up our
bracket and we only have 4

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movies left and I'm like
scrambling to figure out what

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those 4 movies are.
You're joining us for the first.

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It would help me.
Go ahead.

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Yeah, we are looking at our
final four Bob for season 10.

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In the top left quadrant, we
have the number 16 overall film,

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Star Wars going against the
number 45 overall film, Rear

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Window.
On the right side of the

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bracket, we have the number 2
seed 12 Angry Men versus the

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number three seed Casablanca
Bob.

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I think this is the first time
we have two upsets in the Final

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four.
I mean, what can you say, Brad,

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we're getting more and more
exciting in our old age, I guess

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just.
Folks, I was going to.

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Going to intro this a little
bit, if this is your first time

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joining us, as I said last time,
why?

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Why is this your first time that
you chose to join us?

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Because this is the third
bracket episode in season #10

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Every year what we do we is we
watch 32 movies a season.

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At the end of the season we put
those movies into a madness

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style bracket and we start
hacking away at that list until

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we come to the champion of each
season.

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Now we have arrived at our final
four films, as Brad has just

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said, I believe the newest of
which is Star Wars, right?

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Yeah.
These are all 40s and 50s films

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except for Star Wars from 1977.
So we're looking at some true

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classics of Hollywood here in
our final four.

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Also, today we're gonna be
reviewing a Whiskey and we have,

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I guess what you could call
Brad, the most prestigious Film

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Awards to give out, as we do
every season.

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Far and away I don't.
I don't think any other Film

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Awards get handed out in March,
do they?

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No, in fact, The funny thing is
everybody's been complaining

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about how late the Oscars were
this year, and we said screw

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that, we're going to go two
weeks after the Oscars, baby.

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And we'll probably have we're
the last awards.

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Given out.
We'll probably have about the

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same amount of viewers.
Yeah, exactly.

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And you know, we're all just
going to be streaming on YouTube

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eventually.
So welcome to our brethren at

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the Oscars, is what I'm saying
here.

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Brad, I am popping the cork on
our whiskey for the day.

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I'm going to leave it up to you.
Do you want to dive into the

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whiskey first?
Do we want to do it in between

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rounds?
What?

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How would you like to do this?
Let's do the whiskey, man.

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I'm I'm ready to drink.
This is a fresh pop.

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OK, so I have not even remotely
sniffed at this bad boy until

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right now.
Brad gave the name of this.

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It is the Bardstown Bourbon
Company Distillery Reserve

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Cascadia Garyana Oak.
Now, Garyana is an interesting

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kind of oak that I've only ever
experienced and I think one

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other whiskey.
Brad, we tried a few whiskeys

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from Westland Whiskey a couple
years ago, and I believe it's

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Westland that has a Garyana.
And they've been doing it for a

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couple years and it's always
like their biggest release of

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the year.
It cost $200.

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And now Bardstown's getting
themselves in the game.

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As always, Bardstown is killing
it with the packaging on their

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little samples that they send
out.

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Because we got this nice little.
I mean, if it if it didn't have

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information about whiskey on it,
I would hang it in my child's.

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It looks like an Eric Karl very
Hungry Caterpillar book, You

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know what I mean?
Yeah.

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That's good, so.
Here's the notes that Bardstown

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gives on this Garyana Cascadia
blend.

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Garyana oak, native only to the
Pacific Northwest, is as wild as

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the shrinking forests it calls
home.

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Dense and fiercely rare, it
can't be farmed or cut at will,

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but rather gathered only from
fallen trees and sanctioned

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harvests.
It's tight grain and rich sugars

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shaped bold baking spice,
caramelized oak, and a

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smoldering finish found nowhere
else.

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That is some damn good marketing
copy.

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I got to be honest with you,
man.

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I think we need to put a not for
kids label on this.

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I was going to say, the way you
read that it's supple.

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Curves OK.
Finish.

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So let's give some quick stats
on this.

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It's 107.5 proof.
It looks like it's a blend of

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three different whiskeys, one
from Kentucky, I'm sorry, 2 from

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Kentucky, one from Indiana, and
they range from 8 years to 10

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years in age.
Let's get that out of the way.

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Now Brad, I want to dive into
this.

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You look like you have already
gone ahead and just swigged the

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whole thing.
So I'll let you give nosing

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notes while I stick my nose in
this.

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I think this is a really
interesting nose.

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It has a lot of oak on it.
There's a decent amount of

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caramel.
And for me, it, it reminds me of

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like the like the sour candy
candy apple suckers that have

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like caramel on the outside, but
then it's, you know, the, the

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sour apple on the inside it, it
kind of reminds me of one of

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those.
I like this there man.

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There's like 1 little funky note
in there that I can't quite put

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my finger on.
And at first it was like, maybe

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this is dill and then it tipped
into like maybe it's because I

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like to, I like to pair dips
because I'm in the Midwest.

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My wife makes like a pickle dip
sometimes and I, I associate it

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with like potato chips.
OK, we we get it, Brad.

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Pickle dip.
Do you not like Pickles?

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Pickles are one of the most
disgusting things humans have

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ever.
Created you you have the palette

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of a.
Child that is not true First

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off.
Second off, Pickles are gross

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man and the like the if the
juice touches any part of the

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burger bun the entire thing is
infected and it your.

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Ability to derail my main point
by latching onto 1.

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Of my minor points is pickle
dip.

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OK, so like, dill reminds me of
Pickles.

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Sue me, I'm sorry.
Like dill Pickles are the most

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popular kind of Pickles.
Yeah, but but in any case.

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I'm like, who?
Who makes it?

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Is it dill or is it like oniony?
There's this weird savory, kind

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of like, I don't know how to
describe it except like there's

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like a ranch dressing note going
on in here somewhere and I'm

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getting weird wafts of it in
between, like these nice waves

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of oak and brown sugar and
caramel I don't know what to

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make of.
It dude, does your wife make

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onion dip as well?
Probably I'm not.

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I'm not a big raw onion eater.
I like caramelized onions, but I

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can't bite into a raw onion.
I like a good red onion on a

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burger, but white onions?
Yellow onions raw, Not so much,

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man.
Do you know where I don't like

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onions on your whiskey?
Yeah.

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So it's I'm going to be a little
bit muted on this because I

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don't know where this is going.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

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10 on the nose, Brad.
I I'm actually with you, I'm at

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a 7 out of 10 and the funkiness
that I was picking up, I think

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you're right.
It's an onion vibe that I don't

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know.
It's not in the, it's not in the

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realm of vegetal like a like a
Scotch might be.

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It's just, I don't know.
It's interesting the the palette

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on this doesn't stray too far
from the nose.

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It is oaky.
There's like Sour Patch Kids

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kind of vibe going on.
The funk kind of sticks around.

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I don't know if it stays as
Onion, but there's just a

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there's a weird vibe to this
that I'm not totally jiving

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with.
Dude, do you know what it has?

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What's it got?
It's got the will it funk.

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It's this is like, you can set
this down next to some Noah's

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Mill.
Then I'd be like, Oh yeah, this

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is totally made by Willet.
It's got that like that weird

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funky dusty note paired with
some floral like on on Noah's

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Mill.
For me, it's always rose.

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This has that.
And I will say like for being

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107 proof, there's really not
much prickliness on the palate.

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It's a very muted kind of
warmth, almost like if you are

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drinking like a Coca-Cola and
you leave it sitting out and

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then it goes flat.
It almost has like a flat

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whiskey vibe.
And I don't mean to say that it

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has no flavor.
It just doesn't have that sort

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of like alcohol prickliness that
you typically get.

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Now, the flavor itself, I I'm
going to differ from you, Brad.

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I think this is fantastic.
It's super rich, really, really

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syrupy.
You said Sour Patch Kids.

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It does remind me of like when
you suck all the sour off of the

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red ones and you're basically
left with like Swedish Fish at

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that point.
It's got that like cherry candy

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syrup vibe to it with a nice
undercurrent of oak.

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I like this quite a bit.
I'm going to give it a nine out

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of 10 on the palate.
Dude, you're just naming all the

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things I hate.
Swedish Fish.

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One of the worst candies ever
made.

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Do you just hate the Swedes?
Maybe that's what it is.

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That might be it.
You don't like IKEA, you don't

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like sweetest fish.
That's true.

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I do like a good horse meat
meatball though.

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Get down with that.
Sure, but not a dill pickle

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Horse dill pickle.
Good.

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Two thumbs up.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

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the pallet.
I really don't care for this

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that much.
Bob.

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It it's yeah.
And I think the finish kind of

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continues that for me.
It falls into like a cherry

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cough syrup oak vibe that is
just kind of not quite bitter,

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but it's just kind of this like
type of a finish.

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I don't know if that's a good,
good auditory example of how I

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feel about it, but I'll give it
a six out of 10 on the finish.

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I like this.
Starts in kind of a weird place

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that it dips into a meh kind of
place.

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Yeah, I don't know how to sell
this because I do like it.

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But like all of my tasting
notes, if you read them, you'd

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be like, that sounds kind of
gross because it's it's that

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combo of like savory and sweet,
almost like at at Thanksgiving

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when people will sometimes put
the cranberry sauce directly on

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their like Turkey.
And so you get the combo of like

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meatiness and fruit.
Like this is cherry and almost

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wheat weeded bourbon notes
coupled with this kind of like

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beef consomme French onion soup
note.

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And I like, I don't know how to
explain that sort of salty

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savoriness that goes with the
cherry.

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It does work for me.
But if that sounds super gross

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to you, I can totally understand
why.

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On the finish, I'm going to give
it an 8 out of 10.

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It is a little less long lasting
than I would like it to be.

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It's kind of short for a 107
proof whiskey.

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But overall, I think the flavors
that are left behind are pretty

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complex and I do like them.
So I'm at an 8 out of 10 here,

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Brad.
I'm at a six out of 10 on the

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finish and I think balance wise
I'm at a four out of 10 Bob, I

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think.
I think that this just nothing

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works.
All the flavors are kind of

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discordant and they don't create
a great experience.

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I'm at a four out of 10 man.
This one is not working for me.

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I I get it.
This one definitely feels like

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the biggest experiment we've
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while.
And I don't mean that in in that

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like it's the most ambitious
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I think that's probably the
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one of the best whiskeys we've
ever had on this podcast.

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Yes, this is an experiment in
that it's like a big swing and I

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have a feeling that for a lot of
people it's going to be a swing

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and a miss.
Now I mention the Cathedral

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French Oak because this is part
of the same series, this

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distillery series that they only
sell in these 375 ML bottles and

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you can only get them from the
distillery unless you are

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shopping from a trusted retailer
online.

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Now, I believe the MSRP on this.
Brad, did you have it pulled up?

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It is $99.00 for the 375.
So I think for for our audience,

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we're just going to call this a
$200 bottle of whiskey.

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Well, and as with most of the
distillery Reserve stuff, if it

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sells as fast as those other
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plus just for the 375.
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value, but you're probably going
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to try this.
I don't think this is bad, but I

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wouldn't call it the top tier of
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yet.
I'm going to give it a 6.5 on

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value Brad.
Yeah, if I'm thinking about this

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as a $200 bottle of, you know,
750 bottle of whiskey, this is

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like a four out of 10 man.
It it's, it's not working in the

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vein that I want it to.
And I hate to say it, but like,

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I drank this the other day with
a buddy of mine and we tried it

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and we were like, huh, that's
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and we're like, this is I would
rather drink this any day of the

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week.
Wow.

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So I'm I'm kind of in a place
where I'm out on this one now.

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I will I will caveat this, as
always, I love Bart sound

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bourbon company.
I think they make incredible

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whiskeys that cathedral finishes
one of the best whiskeys I've

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ever had.
Their discovery stuff is really

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good.
I like across the board, I love

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Bardstown.
This is just one of those

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experiments that I don't quite
vibe with.

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Yeah.
And I realized I did not give my

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overall balance score.
I'm going to call that a 7.5,

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which brings me out to a 38 out
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Brad, I have a feeling you're
going to be significantly lower

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than that.
Where are you at on this one?

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I'm at a 28 out of 50.
Wow.

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All right.
So that's taking us to just a 66

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out of 100 or a 33 out of 50.
Now, you know, even though you

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gave it a low score, I kind of
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because it is like just a touch
below where we start

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recommending a whiskey.
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thematically that makes a lot of
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you don't.
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going to be very iffy on if
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not.
So I think that 33 out of 50

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kind of speaks for itself about
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see in this one.
Yeah, yeah, I I think that once

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again, bar sound makes great
whiskey and that's the beauty.

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They they experiment and they
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And this is a a limited release.
If you want to try something

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from them, just wait for the
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It's that's probably going to be
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All right, the whiskey has been
gotten out of the way and that

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means that it is time for us to
dive into this bracket.

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Now, we only have 3 total match
ups today, Brad, so I think we

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can talk a little bit more in
depth about our thoughts on each

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movie and the match ups in
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But let let me cue my dramatic
sound here.

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It's time to get into the
bracket.

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Brad, can you walk us through
the first match up in our final

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four films?
Yeah, we have 1977 Star Wars, a

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film that is beloved for one of
us and misunderstood by the

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other.
We have 1954's Rear Window,

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which is one of Hitchcock's
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I would say that it almost gets
lost, though, in the breadth of

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films that Hitchcock has made.
And so I'm glad that it is here

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representing because I like, I
still think that this might be,

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I don't know, is it his best
movie?

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It's this or Vertigo for me, and
maybe that's a good starting

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point.
So I subscribe to this

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newsletter called The Reveal and
it's 2 movie critics that are

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working through a countdown of
the top 100 films in the Sight

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and Sound list that came out a
couple years ago.

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And they have a very long back
and forth.

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Like they're basically they're
like corresponding with each

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other.
And one of them will like ask a

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question about the movie and the
other one will respond.

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And a couple weeks ago, they
landed on North by Northwest and

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they were both very surprised
that it would be in the Sight

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and Sound poll, not because it's
a great movie, but because

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especially that international
crowd that votes on that award

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really tend to like high art
movies.

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And so they're like, you know,
if any movie really encapsulates

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Hitchcock's kind of Hollywood
entertainer vibes, it's North by

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Northwest.
Yeah.

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And so they both had to kind of
reckon with, like, do I have

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implicit bias for movies that
feel more artsy or feel more

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weighty?
And have I been ignoring North

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by Northwest's place on this
list?

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And I think that they both kind
of referenced Rear Window as a

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movie that I could see that
being on the list even before

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North by Northwest, because at
least you have kind of the

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technical craft of being
confined to a space and and

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seeing how the camera is
utilized in that space.

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But I think a lot of that still
applies to Rear Window where

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Vertigo has been kind of fawned
over critically the last 20

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years.
And Rear Window is always like,

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Yep.
And that's one step below

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Vertigo for me.
And the more I watch Rear

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Window, the more I'm like, it's
a different kind of movie, but

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it is every bit the equal of
Vertigo.

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And it's really similar to like
when we watched The Apartment,

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which is my favorite Billy
Wilder movie, and then we

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rewatched some Like It Hot.
And it's like, OK, it's a

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different kind of movie, but you
can't tell me that it is any

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less the equal of The Apartment.
I really think that in the

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absence of Vertigo here, Rear
Window and 12 Angry Men are the

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closest things we have to two
perfect movies.

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However you want to describe
that both in the effect they

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have and in the sort of like
clockwork precision with which

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they move.
And so I guess that would be my

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opening argument as to why I'm
just a no brainer going to take

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Rear window in this debate.
Yeah, I was.

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I was wondering where this
monologue was going.

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Bob I I should have known.
You should have known, man,

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that.
You were just.

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A monologue, though, you got to
admit.

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It was a great monologue, Bob, I
think, I think Rear Window is a

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a perfect movie, nearly a
perfect movie.

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The the ability that he has to
help you feel claustrophobic and

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yet like open, like you feel
like you're included in this New

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York courtyard that you kind of
have a life here with the

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people, even as Jimmy Stewart
is, you know, wheelchair bound

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for the duration of the film.
It it's so much craft and story

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and it's compelling.
I like I'm with you on rear

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window man It's incredible.
I do think that I was, I was

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listening to you and I was like
feeling myself like, yeah, Rear

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Window, man, it's incredible.
And then in my head I was like,

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what?
What makes Star Wars, Star Wars?

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And I just heard the opening
theme and my heart just leapt

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with joy.
And I'm like, Rear Window can't

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make, can't do that, can't just
think about the soundtrack from

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Rear Window.
And I have an emotional

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response.
I I think that there's something

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to be said for a movie that.
Absolutely set the stage for

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what an epic movie could be for
the rest of cinematic history, I

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think.
I think Star Wars still holds

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itself high.
It was my #2 vibe choice and for

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a reason.
I I think Star Wars is going to

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be my pick here, Bob.
Dude, I went back and listened

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to our last episode, obviously,
because I had to edit it.

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But you were like, Vertigo's
moving on.

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And then I made the stupid
decision of saying like, huh?

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Do you feel, do you feel
pressured to do that?

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And then you were like, screw
you, Star Wars is moving on.

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And it was that I wasn't even
trying to rile you up.

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I was really asking you a
genuine question.

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And you immediately flipped to
Star Wars.

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Yep.
And I just need you to know that

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you ruined everything.
You have ruined everything,

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Brad, because I just know that
we're going to end up with

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back-to-back to back coin flips
here and Star Wars is going to

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come out the champion of this
season against my will.

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And it's it'll be forever.
To your shame, I mean.

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If it makes me feel.
Better like Pulp Fiction won our

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first time around for this
season.

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That's true.
So the a very was your.

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Number one pick for for the
vibes list here too.

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It was.
And I will say, if we're just

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comparing scores, like Star Wars
runs away with it both because I

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don't really remember much of
the actual score from your

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window and because once you get
into the movie, there is no more

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score.
Like, it's just diegetic music.

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So, like, John Williams wins by
default, but also because it's

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one of the best movie scores
ever written, you know, ever

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written.
Yeah, I like it.

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Also, it elevates what I
perceive to be a a kind of

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middling movie to the heights of
like, pretty good.

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Yeah, but.
But can a great score cover a

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multitude of sins is the real
question before us, Brad, that

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means that we have to flip the
coin of Destiny now, as we've

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established the coin of Destiny.
He he has a slight lean to him,

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Brad, as you described it last
episode, a slight lean towards

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heads, right?
It seems to be the case.

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Yeah, and I guess that means
that Rear Window is heads

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because it is the higher ranked
film among the two.

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So Rear Window will be heads,
Star Wars will be tails for a

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spot in our championship.
Brad, flip that coin.

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Bob, I hate to tell you know it
just it brings me a lot of joy

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to see you sad it also, you
know, it hurts my soul a little

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bit.
I've known you for a long time,

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but we have another tales coming
up for my boy Star Wars.

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I hate you so much dude.
This is this is an outrage.

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The highest the number 16 film
has ever gone in our bracket,

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Bob.
Yeah, and it's just because

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you've manipulated things.
Manipulated a strong word.

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Is in here man.
I stand by my vibes list,

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Robert.
I am fairly certain that we've

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had like 9 tails in a row now
too, which does not bode well

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because if there's a coin flip
in the championship, Star Wars

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is automatically the tails in
that match up too.

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So I'm preparing myself to be
heartbroken at the end of this

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episode, and it's all Brad's
doing.

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And I think that that is a
perfect segue into the Brad G

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Awards.
Every season, Brad just makes up

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a couple awards that he wants to
give out.

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Sure, there's a lot of times
he's watching these movies for

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the first time, and there's
certain things that stick with

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him throughout the season that I
would just never think about.

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And then he gives it an award at
the end of the year.

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So, Brad, I know that you've
been hard at work on these

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awards, so I'm gonna turn it
over to you to present the Brad

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G Awards.
You know, Bob, before we started

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this podcast, we, we're
discussing, you know, what we

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would want to talk about and how
we would want to do it.

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And we kind of landed on this
idea of movies in whiskey.

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And we said, you know, let's,
let's do a test episode and just

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just see what it's like.
What?

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What movie did we choose for our
test?

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Episode Bob, Brad.
We chose the eternal classic

445
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Anchorman, the legend of Ron
Burgundy.

446
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,800
In the spirit of Anchorman, The
Legend of Ron Burgundy, I have

447
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,000
three awards to give out today.
The first of which being the

448
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,760
that That Escalated Quickly
Award, which is the movie that

449
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,200
took the hardest left turn.
We have The Milk was a Bad

450
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,400
Choice Award, which is the movie
that has aged the worst, and we

451
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,240
have the 60% of the time it
works every Time award, which is

452
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,960
for the movie that shouldn't
really work, but man, it just

453
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,280
does.
I'm really glad that you didn't

454
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,680
pivot towards you are a smelly
pirate hooker for Brad's least

455
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,840
favorite female character.
That that'd be hard to sell, you

456
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,600
know that.
'D be a tough one, man.

457
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Oh man.
All right.

458
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,480
I'd love to hear the the
winners.

459
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,400
Do you have a nominees list or
is it just one film for each?

460
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,880
I, I honestly am open to
whatever we decide, so let's go

461
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,360
to that.
That escalated quickly.

462
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,960
I do have a nominee that I would
like to argue for for the movie

463
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,880
that took the highest left turn,
and it has more to do with how I

464
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,920
watched the film.
I would give this award to

465
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,360
sinners given the fact that I
stopped watching it right before

466
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,440
the vampires came on screen.
Like I mean.

467
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,600
You did.
I hit play a few days after I

468
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,960
paused it and literally the next
thing I saw was him jumping over

469
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880
the camera and like landing on
the field in front of the

470
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,160
farmhouse.
So for me, I think the hardest

471
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,200
left turn was sinners.
I'll give a couple nominees just

472
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,840
to scanning our list of movies
from the year, Inglourious

473
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Basterds, when they actually
start blowing up and burning

474
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,280
down the theater and then you
just see Hitler's face getting

475
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
blown apart with a machine gun.
That escalated quickly.

476
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,640
It did $1,000,000, baby, the
worst placed stool in history is

477
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,680
all I have to say there.
That really that took a hard

478
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,240
left turn.
And then I suppose you could do

479
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,960
at least four different moments
from Pulp Fiction.

480
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,040
You could you could do the GIMP.
You could do Mia with the

481
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,480
heroin.
You could do, oh man, I shot

482
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,840
Marvin in the face.
There's a lot of moments that

483
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,120
escalate very quickly in Pulp
Fiction, Brett.

484
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:13,520
I man of these four options, I
think it like let's just assume

485
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,360
that we are watching these
movies with absolutely no

486
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,920
knowledge of the film going in.
I feel like $1,000,000 baby

487
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,560
would be the hardest left turn
'cause you like that is so far

488
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280
and away not what the movie is
about.

489
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,200
Like he, like Clint, has lulled
you into this sense of Ron

490
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,440
Howard.
Miss that.

491
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,000
You're like, yeah, this is just
like, you know, an Apollo 13.

492
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,000
Yeah, it's, you know, it's just
like this Cinderella Man type of

493
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,960
movie.
And then it's not.

494
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,560
So I I think that's my vote.
Where are you at, Bob?

495
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,920
I think I'm in the same place.
You know, Pulp Fiction may have

496
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,560
like crazier left turns, but the
fact that every story is

497
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480
designed to take that left turn,
you come to expect it a little

498
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,360
bit, $1,000,000 baby.
Truly catches you off guard man.

499
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,520
Pulls the legs right out from
under you.

500
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,160
All right, so Paul Haggis and
Clint Eastwood come collect your

501
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,400
That Escalated Quickly award
from Brad G.

502
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,680
All right, our second award is
Milk was a bad choice.

503
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,360
What movie for you?
Bob has aged the worst.

504
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,800
Or even maybe not a movie, but
like acting, performance, a line

505
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
from a movie.
What's something that has just

506
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,840
aged incredibly poorly?
I think my two it will be no

507
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,160
surprise to anybody listening to
this.

508
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,960
My 2 nominees would either be
Star Wars, which I think has

509
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560
just truly aged poorly.
Like I just.

510
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,000
The more I watch it the more I'm
like this is this is cheesy, the

511
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,000
effects are bad, the added CGI
in the special editions is

512
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,320
actually aging worse than the
original.

513
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Like miniature work.
That one aged pretty badly and

514
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,040
then I.
Wouldn't disagree with you on

515
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,200
that.
Yeah, man, I think my second one

516
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
would be Fight Club, which is a
movie that just has never worked

517
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,640
for me.
And I think the farther we get

518
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,360
from it, the more we can
understand why people

519
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,600
misunderstood it and how it
captured a generation of Gen.

520
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,240
X Bros.
That's those are my 2 nominees.

521
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,400
I guess you know my nominee is
singing in the rain because

522
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,240
nobody likes singing.
Anymore.

523
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Clearly it's singing in the
rain, dude.

524
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,440
All right, What are you
thinking, man?

525
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,120
I.
I mean, I'm proud of neither of

526
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960
us for saying American Beauty,
because I feel like that or

527
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,720
Green Book would be the two that
everybody else would vote for.

528
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,960
That the woke mob would come for
a. 100% man.

529
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200
I don't.
I honestly, I, I've made this

530
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
award and then I'm looking
through it and I'm like, you

531
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080
know, I don't, I don't know if
any have aged extremely poorly

532
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,600
for me.
I, you know what?

533
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,600
I will give the award to 1
Battle after another because

534
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,160
it's aged pretty poorly since it
came out six months ago.

535
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Now, 10 seconds, if you have to
think about this longer than 10

536
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,920
seconds, we'll just move on.
But milk was a bad choice could

537
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,960
be the the circumstances under
which you watched the movie.

538
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,320
So like it was a bad choice for
me to start watching The

539
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Assassination of Jesse James at
11:30 at night or something like

540
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,400
that.
So is there any anything in this

541
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
list that you're like, it was a
bad choice for me to watch this

542
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,320
movie on this day or at this
time?

543
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Not one that.
Not one that comes up for me

544
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,120
right off the hat.
I I would say Shawshank

545
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Redemption.
I remember watching Shawshank at

546
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,200
like 5:00 in the morning for
that episode and being like like

547
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,360
this is pretty dour start to the
day.

548
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, that, that was a little

549
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,080
rough, even as enjoyable of a
film as it is.

550
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,520
All right, well, we'll give it
to 1 battle after another,

551
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480
because that's the spiciest take
I've heard yet today.

552
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,640
So, Paul Thomas Anderson, on
your way back from the Oscars,

553
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200
stop by Brad's house.
All.

554
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Right.
And that leaves us with just one

555
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,560
Anchorman Award left to give.
It is the 60% of the time it

556
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,880
works every time and it's the
movie that shouldn't work but

557
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,000
just does.
And I, I think there's a few

558
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,160
options for this award.
I think Cinderella Man could

559
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,480
could fit that.
You just have a lot of things

560
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880
going on that make it seem like
it shouldn't be great.

561
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,800
And yet for you and I, it
transcends all that.

562
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
But I am going to go with a
movie that if I just described

563
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:42,280
the plot to you in 20252026, you
would say Brad never make that

564
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,520
film.
And it's a movie where a man

565
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,320
with a mental handicap goes on a
journey across Americana and

566
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,120
experiences all of the most
important events of the 60s and

567
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,720
70's the entire while pursuing a
woman who does not want him,

568
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,040
uses him, and gets AIDS and
dies.

569
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Yeah.
I think that's a movie that

570
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,800
shouldn't work, but man oh man
does it work so incredibly well.

571
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080
And that movie is called Singing
in the Rain.

572
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,720
That's right.
Yeah.

573
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,880
I think that Forrest Gump is a
good nominee here, for sure,

574
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,480
because you're right, the pitch
meeting on that one has to be

575
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,120
absolutely wild.
But the extent to which it works

576
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,720
is also up for debate.
I think that that's a good

577
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640
movie.
I think my nominee here would

578
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080
probably be Green Book, a movie
that did come out in this

579
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,720
political climate and did meet a
whole bunch of resistance

580
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,000
because of it.
And despite all of the very

581
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,040
valid criticisms of Green Book,
damn good movie.

582
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,400
I yeah, I get misty at the end
of that, but I don't know what

583
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,760
to tell you, man.
I think it works.

584
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
So that's my nominee.
I'm with you man, I think Green

585
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Book is a great choice for this
award.

586
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,320
All right, what are we?
Are we giving?

587
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,000
It's a Green Book or it's a
Forrest Gump.

588
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,520
I I think Green Book is the
choice.

589
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
That's a good one.
Nice.

590
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360
All right, Peter Farrelly, I
don't know what the hell you're

591
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,680
doing these days, but you can
come.

592
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520
You probably actually do have
the time to come to Brad's house

593
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760
and collect your work for 60% of
the time.

594
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,960
Brad.
What a fantastic Brad G awards

595
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,080
list that was.
I like it.

596
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Thank you very much, Sir.
All right, man, let's get back

597
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,920
into the bracket.
We have the match up on the

598
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,600
right side of the bracket.
I'll turn it over to you for the

599
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,400
intros.
Brad.

600
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Yeah, we are looking at Sidney
Lumet's absolute classic The

601
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,640
195712 Angry Men versus 1 of
Bob's all time favorites

602
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,920
recently dethroned.
He does not love this movie

603
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:54,280
anymore. 1942's Casablanca.
Bob, let me just tell you what

604
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,360
happened to you or let me ask
you what what happened to you,

605
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Man, you have been a ardent
Casablanca defender.

606
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,240
I walked away from our last
episode shook.

607
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,520
Yeah, I don't know if it's just
because for so long it was my

608
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,400
default answer for what's your
favorite movie of all time?

609
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,199
And that the older I get, the
more I've realized like maybe

610
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,760
it's Jurassic Park, maybe it's
ET and Casablanca is still up

611
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,480
there for me, but it may not be
my favorite anymore.

612
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,840
And so I can I.
Can I just tell you I was having

613
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,239
a meter with a, a meeting with a
donor last week and he was

614
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,199
trying, he said something about
like, we're talking about movies

615
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,000
and he says something or I'm
like, yeah, you know, it's

616
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,679
movies that are like just fine.
And they're kind of fun to watch

617
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,800
every once in a while, you know,
like Jurassic Park.

618
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,560
I I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa.

619
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Your.
Money anymore?

620
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,840
I literally went off about
Jurassic Park for like 10

621
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,560
minutes.
That was you should dude that

622
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
that guy's not giving any more.
Money literally at the end.

623
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000
Of it, he goes like, Brad, why
did we lose our biggest donor?

624
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,080
You're like, don't worry about
it.

625
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,720
It was incredible.
Oh, man, yeah, forget that guy.

626
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,920
All right, so we're talking
about Casablanca, though, And I

627
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,680
do think that there are some
small flaws with Casablanca.

628
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,440
It is about as perfect of a
script as you can possibly get,

629
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,840
but I do think it hits a little
bit of a lull in the middle.

630
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,680
Now, 12 Angry Men is a movie
that we have both said multiple

631
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640
times is as close to perfect as
you can get in what is

632
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,240
essentially a 90 minute film.
I believe in the episode we said

633
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,960
that there were 300 different
camera setups across that movie,

634
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680
which is just staggering.
And it, you know, when you think

635
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,480
about the fact that it's Sidney
Lumet's first feature film, it's

636
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,800
like, how how could you do
better than that?

637
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,960
I think if we're looking at the
IMDb scores, 12 Angry Men does

638
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920
rank higher than Casablanca at
this point.

639
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
It's in the top ten, maybe the
top five on IMDb.

640
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,560
Now, again, this is our list, so
we can do whatever the hell we

641
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,360
want.
I'm really torn, man.

642
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,040
I think my heart still says
Casablanca 'cause I I could

643
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,040
never throw Ingrid Bergman and
her beautiful face into the

644
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,880
fiery abyss.
Yeah.

645
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
But I think if we're just
talking about like, the

646
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,480
mechanics of a movie, 12 Angry
Men might barely edge out

647
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,200
Casablanca.
So where are you at on this one?

648
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Yeah, I mean, Casablanca is #47
on the IMDb top two, 5012 Angry

649
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Men is number 5.
Wow.

650
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,240
It is one of the very few films
with a nine point O aggregate

651
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:37,080
score, which is, which is really
wild.

652
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:43,600
And I, I think it does speak to
what happens when you take a

653
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,080
really beautiful script, you
tighten it up and you, you put

654
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,760
them in this claustrophobic room
and you have like, I think

655
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,400
there's a version of this movie
where like they take it and they

656
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,680
do a Warner and like just follow
everybody around.

657
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,760
And you know, because it's in
one room, it feels very

658
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,040
contained.
But I think the choice to go on

659
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,640
the far opposite end of the
scale and use as many different

660
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,440
takes of the exact same room as
possible, it really works for a

661
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,280
film that is trying to establish
how viewpoints can change when

662
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,720
you add more information.
And so I, I, I think I'm going

663
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,520
to vote for 12 Angry Men on this
one, Bob.

664
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,440
Wow.
I think that's the only thing

665
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,960
for me to do then is to say
Casablanca because I'm so close

666
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,080
on these movies.
Who's an agent of chaos now?

667
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Robert, I think I was going to
vote for Casablanca anyway, but

668
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,280
it it seems more poetic now to
force the coin flip.

669
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Yeah, man, it's really hard to
say Casablanca should go in the

670
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
abyss because if if your
argument for Star Wars is like,

671
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,640
I can't think of a movie that
influenced cinema more,

672
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Casablanca is top five on that
list for sure.

673
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Like, it's it's freaking
Casablanca, dude.

674
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,200
What?
What else can you do?

675
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,720
I think that we're going to do a
coin flip.

676
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,160
And what does that mean in terms
of the seating 12?

677
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Angry Men is the two seed.
Casablanca is the three.

678
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,520
So Casablanca is in the
privileged position of tails

679
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920
here, Brad, for a spot in the
championship.

680
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Flip that coin.
Robert, we have set our finals.

681
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,200
We are looking at 12 Angry Men
versus Star Wars.

682
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:41,840
Man, no Casablanca, no Vertigo.
I can't believe that I have to

683
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,680
advocate for 12 angry men to win
our bracket now because I just,

684
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,760
There's no way I'm going to
advocate for Star Wars to win

685
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,280
this bracket.
That's that.

686
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Dude.
Well, luckily for you Bob, we

687
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,040
have a little bit of time before
we get there because we have our

688
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,680
not quite annual, what would you
call it for an every 32 weeks

689
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,800
seasonal.
We have our seasonal awards that

690
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,560
we're going to be giving out
called The Filmies.

691
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Yeah, these are pretty simple.
It's just really based on how

692
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,800
how do Brad and I appreciate
movies versus the general

693
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,240
population.
And so there's really only three

694
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,440
awards.
There's the most overrated film,

695
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,960
the most underrated film, and
then the most divisive film,

696
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,480
which is the film that Brad and
I were the most divided on.

697
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Now, Brad, I have told you dot
to look at a specific tab of our

698
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
shared Google Sheet here because
this is where I have it all

699
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,680
listed.
So I would like you to try to

700
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,000
guess.
Let's start with the most

701
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,400
overrated film.
This is the film that had a much

702
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,480
higher rating by the general
population on IMDb versus where

703
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Brad and I landed on it, which
is much lower.

704
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,920
Brad, where would you think we
would be giving out the most

705
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,720
overrated film award?
Oh man, I I have to think.

706
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,080
I mean, part of me wonders if
it's sinners or one battle

707
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,320
because I was, you know, I was
pretty low on one battle, but I

708
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,200
don't think the overall IMDb
score for one battle is actually

709
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,600
that high.
Like I want to say it's like a

710
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,520
7.5.
So I I can't imagine it's that

711
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,040
American.
We, we well, sorry, we're going

712
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,320
ones that we scored low and the
population scored high, correct?

713
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Correct.
Yep.

714
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:32,600
OK man, we've just watched so
many great movies this year.

715
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,440
It's really hard to say.
I I'll say Green Book cause

716
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,600
'cause you and I are higher on
Green Book than the average

717
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,480
person, Brad.
You have fallen victim to one of

718
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,160
the classic blunders and what
that is, is that.

719
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,880
Starting a a landlord.
You forget that sometimes one of

720
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,520
us can give a score so low that
it affects our average score

721
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,200
even if one of us likes the
film.

722
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,640
And that is exactly what I did
by tanking our final average on

723
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,160
the film Fight Club, which I
believe has like an 8.8 or

724
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,560
something on IMDb and in our
average it only came out to a

725
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,680
6.75.
So we were a full 2 points out

726
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,640
of 10 or more lower than the
IMDb score on Fight Club.

727
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,760
Man and I, I think I gave Fight
Club like an 8 1/2 or A9.

728
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,440
Yeah, and I gave it A5, so suck
it my club I don't.

729
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,680
Care.
Yeah, Bob, that's insane, man.

730
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,120
I I honestly was wondering if,
like, the Assassination of Jesse

731
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480
James by the coward, Robert Ford
might hit that because of me.

732
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,000
I forgot that you occasionally
like to tank things as well.

733
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,600
And The thing is, you came all
the way up to a 6 1/2 out of 10

734
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,120
on The Assassination of Jesse
James, this time where the IMDb

735
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,600
average is only a 7 1/2.
So we really weren't that far

736
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,880
off on that one.
Sure.

737
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,720
All right, now let's flip the
script because it's time for us

738
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,880
to talk about the most
underrated film.

739
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,520
This is the film that Brad and I
loved more than the general

740
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,720
population did.
So Brad, as you scan this list,

741
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,080
keep in mind how average scores
work at the end of an episode.

742
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,240
What do you think is the most
underrated film of the crop?

743
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Oh man, honestly, I think only
my brain and heart is

744
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,160
immediately drawn towards
Anchorman, the legend of Ron

745
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,400
Burgundy, because I know you and
I just love that movie.

746
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,920
And I think we gave it 10 out of
10 just for nostalgia and, you

747
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,720
know, in the world of comedy, I
think it's a perfect comedy.

748
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,480
So I my brain goes towards that,
I think you and I are both still

749
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,200
higher on American Beauty than
the average population.

750
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Green Book would fall into that
category.

751
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,440
I think.
I will go ahead and say

752
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Anchorman is my guess.
I like it.

753
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960
It's a good guess.
It's wrong, but it's a good

754
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
guess.
Now I think with this award, a

755
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,720
good rule of thumb to keep in
mind is like if you and I are

756
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:12,720
both giving a movie a 9 1/2 or
A10, we're already separating

757
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,640
ourselves from the IMDb score
because the highest ranked movie

758
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,680
there, it has like a 9.1.
So in that case, you and I gave

759
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,760
a film A10 and a 9.5 for a 9.75
average that only has I believe

760
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:33,120
a 7.6 on IMDb.
And that film is 1961's West

761
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,400
Side Story.
So we were a full again, we were

762
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,240
over 2 points higher than the
average on West Side Story.

763
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Now, despite your hatred for
musicals, I do think when I see

764
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,960
West Side Story and then 7.6
next to it, I'm like all right

765
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,080
guys, like that seems a little
low.

766
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,600
That that is a little, that is a
little bit low.

767
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,320
I gave it a 9.5.
I really like West Side Story.

768
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,800
It's not like my jam that I'm
going to turn on once a year,

769
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840
but to what?
7.6 is pretty low.

770
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Man that that's an absolute
classic.

771
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,440
That's that's a travesty, is
what we call that.

772
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Yeah.
All right, Brad, it's time for

773
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,840
the last Filmy Award.
And that is the most divisive

774
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
movie of season 10.
Now.

775
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,720
We actually had surprisingly
more divisive movies than I

776
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:28,120
expected between ones from the
past that one of us hated once

777
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,480
from now that we have changed
our tune on, and then also

778
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640
contemporary films that
definitely did not work for Brad

779
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,640
and only kind of worked for me.
So what is sticking out to you

780
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,200
as the most divisive, Brad?
I mean, I think I gave 1 battle,

781
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,720
A4 or A5 and you gave it an 8, I
want to say, so that that

782
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,200
immediately sticks out to me.
I came up on Assassination of

783
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,800
Jesse James by the coward Robert
Ford quite a bit.

784
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,840
I can't think of many other
movies that we were like super

785
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,120
separate on.
I mean Star Wars I gave a pretty

786
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,200
high score and you are wrong.
So I'll, I'll go ahead and say

787
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Star Wars knowing your lunacy.
Well, once again, Brad, your

788
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,480
memory continues to be faulty
and very short because the most

789
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,200
divisive film is very obviously
Fight Club, David Fincher's 1999

790
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,040
turd of a movie that I gave a 5
out of 10 to, and you gave an 8

791
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,240
1/2 for a full 35% difference on
our scores out of 10.

792
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,320
Yeah, yeah, that movie sucks,
bro.

793
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,120
It's a, it's a, it's not a well
made movie and I don't

794
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520
understand why people like it.
Bob, Fight Club is a incredibly

795
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,920
well made movie.
It has a very interesting

796
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,200
message and there's a reason
people really like that though.

797
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,120
And that message is come pick up
your award for the most divisive

798
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,840
David Fincher.
We'll see you soon, Brad.

799
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,880
We have a championship match up
to get to here.

800
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,160
And I don't know if you had
given us 50 guesses about what

801
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,440
the championship match up could
be that we would land on these

802
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,440
two movies.
Sure.

803
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,360
Yeah.
I, I think that Star Wars is the

804
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,800
dark horse that was always meant
to be.

805
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,560
If I was still a Calvinist, I
would have said, yeah, this is

806
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:25,240
this is as God intended, Bob,
But you have it up against what

807
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:29,680
I think the general population
would say is a true worthy

808
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,040
contender for the throne in 12
Angry Men.

809
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,320
Yeah.
Now, you had the IMDb top 250

810
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,320
pulled up a minute ago.
I'm wondering, you know, if you

811
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,560
still have it up or still have
it handy where Star Wars Episode

812
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,240
4 ranks on that list.
It's got to be top 10 or 15 for

813
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,680
sure.
I think I want to say Empire is

814
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
more highly rated, but I could
be wrong about that.

815
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,840
Yeah, but we're talking about
two beloved films here.

816
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,720
Yeah, Star Wars Episode 6 is at
93, so still the top 100.

817
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Star Wars Episode 5 is at #15
overall with an 8.7 and Star

818
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Wars Episode 4 A New Hope is at
#29 with an 8.6.

819
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,320
So it does.
It does make me feel a little

820
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,360
bit justified to say Bob.
This still has an average of an

821
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,600
8.6 on IMDb, which is nothing to
sneeze at.

822
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,760
It is right below Terminator 2
Judgement Day.

823
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,560
There you go, as it should be.
Let's be honest here, Terminator

824
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,880
2 significantly better than Star
Wars episode.

825
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440
You gave that movie like a nine.
What are you talking about dude?

826
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
It's a it's a great movie, man.
I kind of want to go back and

827
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,840
watch that and Aliens again.
Oh dude, so good.

828
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400
I need you to just tell me
before we start talking about

829
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,680
these movies anymore.
Are you voting Star Wars here?

830
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,360
Yes.
OK, I will give you as much time

831
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,800
as you want to try to convince
me or to try to defend your

832
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,120
choice here.
Why Star Wars over 12 Angry Men

833
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,520
specifically?
Man, if there was a movie on

834
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,000
this list to compete with it, I
think it would be Pulp Fiction

835
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:23,400
and 12 Angry Men, because both
movies to me stand out as just

836
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,560
visionary usage of craft.
I think for me though, Star Wars

837
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,080
is what stands out when it, when
you look at what they did for

838
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,920
film, for the industry in terms
of miniature usage, even in the

839
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,320
realm of CGI, like what Lucas
was willing to do to advance the

840
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,080
the world of CGI.
And I like I'm with you, I think

841
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,560
that the special editions from
the late 90s, like the CG

842
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,800
doesn't stand up great.
But you wouldn't have any Pixar

843
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,320
and like these modern CG marvels
if you don't have Lucas pushing

844
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,200
for it with episode 4.
Beyond that, I think that you

845
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,360
have a like, you wrap this
classic hero's journey in a

846
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,240
inimitably fun and interesting
framework with great actors who

847
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,920
I think are doing a great job.
I think Alec Guinness is

848
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:29,600
absolutely wonderful as Obi Wan.
You have Han Solo is like one of

849
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,520
the greatest rogue characters of
all time.

850
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,880
Harrison Ford just starts his
career off with a bang.

851
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,400
And because it goes on to become
one of the highest grossing

852
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,880
actors of all time, there's just
so much about Star Wars that

853
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:49,680
works that it, it continuously
amazes me how much angst you

854
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,480
hold towards Star Wars.
What, what did Star Wars do to

855
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,000
you as a child, Bob?
That's what I'm curious about.

856
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,560
You phrase it as angst, which
and when it's more of just like

857
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,800
I don't think about these.
They just didn't work on me to

858
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,760
that extent.
And I think the clunkiest 1 is

859
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,480
episode 4.
Now, I, I will also, I need to

860
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,000
make you clarify here because
even in your defense of Episode

861
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,120
4, you used the word they a
couple different times to talk

862
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,480
about the Star Wars movies,
plural.

863
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,480
And I, I'm wondering the extent
to which you are using Episode 4

864
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,000
as a representative for all of
the Star Wars movies and the

865
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,280
sort of revolution that they
ushered in.

866
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,200
Because I only want to focus on
Episode 4 here because I do

867
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,720
think it's clunky.
I think they they really ironed

868
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:42,320
out all the kinks for Episode 5,
which is a much better movie

869
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,840
than Episode 4.
And when I look at how clunky I

870
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,680
think episode 4 is up against a
movie like 12 Angry Men, This

871
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,160
would be a much more difficult
choice if we were talking about

872
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,800
Empire, but we're just not.
We're only talking about A New

873
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,920
Hope here.
And I get that it kicked it off,

874
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,560
and I get that it ushered it in,
but it is a materially worse

875
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,280
film to me than probably either
of the other two in the original

876
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,280
trilogy.
And I I like the other two.

877
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,280
I I always go back and forth
between 6:00 and 4:00.

878
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,160
Which one I like more, I like 5
is the clear best of the films.

879
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,240
I would say though, Star Wars
sans the other two, if the other

880
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:30,960
two had never gotten made.
I still think Star Wars stands

881
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120
up as one of the greatest films
of all time.

882
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,640
I think that it struck A chord
with the American public and it

883
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,480
would stick around to the public
consciousness even if Lucas went

884
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,560
on to make other movies and do
other projects.

885
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960
That's a good point.
I there's a part of me that

886
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,040
wonders too, like if that had
happened, how much would it

887
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,600
personally have affected you
though?

888
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,880
Because any movie that you know,
if you look at all the movies

889
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,240
throughout history that broke
the record for highest grossing

890
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,480
film of all time, whether it's
Gone with the Wind, Sound of

891
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,240
Music, The Godfather, Jaws, and
then after Star Wars, it becomes

892
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,800
ET and then Titanic.
Those movies all had major

893
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,480
cultural impact in the 10 to 20
years after they came out.

894
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,280
And then as generations come
out, you just have less of an

895
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,440
attachment to those.
And so even a movie like

896
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,200
Titanic, I find myself defending
to people more than I thought I

897
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640
would have to because that was
very personally affected me as a

898
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,240
as a kid seeing that movie.
And I still think it's like a

899
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,040
nearly perfect Hollywood movie,
but there's a distance now that

900
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,360
that young kid, there's no like
Titanic cinematic universe that

901
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,320
is bringing people on as new
converts to that movie The way

902
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,880
that Star Wars is.
And so it's it's hard because as

903
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,400
much as we want to mentally
divorce Episode 4 from the rest

904
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,960
of the Star Wars franchise and
universe, you really can't.

905
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Like the prequels got their
hooks in you.

906
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
And because the prequels got
their hooks in you, the original

907
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,920
trilogy was able to to get an
audience with you.

908
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,280
No, it was the opposite for me.
I I grew up watching the

909
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,920
originals, Yeah, like in the 90s
before they came out.

910
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
I remember seeing the prequels
in theaters.

911
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,360
But I like I got man.
I had the VH s s I had the

912
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,240
special edition VH s s original
trilogy, Man got its hooks in

913
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,920
me.
Yeah, well, and it's just

914
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,920
frankly better than the prequel
trilogy is.

915
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,360
So like, I'm, I'm good with
that.

916
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,560
But I guess my point still
stands though that it's really

917
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,440
hard to divorce one entry in a
franchise from the impact of the

918
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
rest of it, especially since
it's now a multi generational.

919
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,160
The only thing that's like that
in the history of movies is like

920
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,400
James Bond where your grandpa
could have been going to see new

921
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,280
James Bond movies and now you
are too.

922
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,120
The MCU hasn't spanned that that
time frame and so it we don't

923
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,400
know if it's going to have the
staying power of some of those

924
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,200
other franchises.
Yeah, Mission Impossible would

925
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,760
be close, but, you know, even
that's only 30 years. 30, Yeah.

926
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,400
Yeah.
Yep.

927
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,920
So yeah.
All right, Jamie, we've delayed

928
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,680
it long enough.
You're just making the argument

929
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,840
for me, man.
This is Star Wars through and

930
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,200
through.
No, I'm trying to say I think

931
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,920
you're lumping 9/10/11 movies
and some TV shows into one

932
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,200
movie.
Bob, do you really?

933
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,320
Think I'm lumping the TV shows
between the Star Wars Holiday

934
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
special and everything Disney
has made.

935
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,960
I will say there are some very,
some critics that I really

936
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,800
respect that say that Andor is
the best thing Star Wars has

937
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,120
done since like Empire and that
people should be watching it.

938
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,280
And I I've never watched it, but
I might, I might get around to

939
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,360
it.
I'll never get around to it,

940
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,400
mostly because I don't watch TV
anymore.

941
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,280
Well, there you go.
All right, well, on that note,

942
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Brad, we're talking about movies
and we're doing a coin flip.

943
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,280
So Star Wars for sure is Tales
because it's the sixteen seed 12

944
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,720
Angry Men, the objectively
better film.

945
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,360
It's going to be heads Brad, for
the championship of season 10.

946
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:16,920
Flip that coin.
Bob, when you started this

947
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,320
season, did you have any idea
that you would have to be

948
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:26,280
playing the John Williams theme
music because Star Wars is our

949
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:43,240
number one film of season 10.
Just before we were recorded, I

950
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:46,640
took a shower because I want to
look nice on camera, you know?

951
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,880
And as I'm stripping off my
clothing in the bathroom, I

952
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,320
have.
This is AR rated episode.

953
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,000
Yeah, dude, I have YouTube reels
going.

954
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,400
And it was just a clip from an
episode of The Office where

955
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,120
Michael Scott is having casino
night, and he asked Toby if the

956
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,120
Boy Scouts are coming to receive
their check.

957
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,240
And Toby's like, no, I didn't
think that'd be a good idea

958
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,680
because of the alcohol and the
gambling and because it's school

959
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,320
night and because it's in our
dangerous warehouse and because

960
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Hooters is catering.
And then he says, is that

961
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,600
enough?
Or do you want me to keep going?

962
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,080
And Michael just looks at him
that says, why are you the way

963
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,640
that you are?
And then he says, I hate so much

964
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,400
about the things that you choose
to be.

965
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,960
And Brad, I don't know if words
have ever applied more to my

966
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,960
relationship to you in this
moment.

967
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:46,800
You chaos agented your way from
the round of 16 all the way to

968
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,440
the championship via coin flip.
You had to flip the coin every

969
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,480
single time.
There was no good argument made,

970
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920
and yet you still got your way.
It's infuriating you.

971
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,840
Know what I have to say to that,
Bob?

972
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,400
What?
But a BOM, BOM, BOM, BOM, BOM,

973
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,120
BOM, BOM.
I hate this.

974
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,360
I hate we're done.
The podcast is over.

975
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,160
This is the last episode.
This is all just a gimmick to

976
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,040
tell you guys that we're done
with the podcast.

977
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,760
We're done.
We're not friends anymore.

978
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,720
Yeah, it's over.
Now Listen, Star Wars, I will

979
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,080
give you your kudos.
You are the season 10 champion

980
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,800
in at least one of our hearts.
And Brad, on that note, I think

981
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,760
the only thing left to do is to
very quickly walk through our

982
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,600
top five whiskeys of the season,
which were definitely something

983
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,080
that we had more of a consensus
on.

984
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,480
I'll go really quickly through
these because we've already

985
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,200
tried these whiskeys multiple
times and three of our five are

986
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,000
from maybe our favorite
distillery in the world and that

987
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,800
is Glenn Moringy at #5 We had
the Glenn Moringy 10 at #4 the

988
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:04,360
Glenn Moringy Nectar #3 is the
Glen Moringy Quinta Rubin 12

989
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,880
year, which I immediately was
like, oh, that's going to be #1

990
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,480
No, it was only #3 and it was
defeated by two whiskeys that we

991
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,200
tried for the first time this
season.

992
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,880
The number 2 was the Jack
Daniels twice barreled American

993
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,200
single malts that we tried,
which came out to a 44.25 out of

994
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,040
50.
And at #1 the Pursuit United

995
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,640
Triple Mash Rye, which I'm super
happy to say is #1 because we

996
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,320
love those guys at Pursuit
United.

997
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,360
And I, I respected the swing of
them sending us that sample with

998
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
a note that said we think this
is the best whiskey of the year.

999
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,760
And then they were right.
It was the best whiskey we had

1000
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,120
this season.
And that was like it.

1001
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,000
That was the only sentence in
the letter.

1002
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,360
It was like, it was like.
We think this is the best

1003
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,680
whiskey ever made by human
hands.

1004
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,360
Cheers.
I was like, all right, call your

1005
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,640
shot, man.
Good job, Kenny.

1006
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,560
The balls on these guys, yeah,
couldn't believe it, man, but

1007
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,200
they were right.
And so we have our ultimate

1008
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,280
pairing of film and whiskey for
season 10, our champion Star

1009
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Wars, A New Hope and Pursuit
United Triple Mash Rye.

1010
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,920
And that is our final.
Let's make it a double for

1011
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,680
season #10 Brad, it's time for
us to get out of here for the

1012
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,240
day.
It's been almost an hour like

1013
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,120
you said it would be.
I want to turn it over to you

1014
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,360
just for 30 seconds.
Final thoughts on Season 10 and

1015
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,320
what you're looking forward to
in season #11?

1016
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,000
You know, I, I found myself as
we went through this season, so

1017
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,520
glad that we took the time to
like review a whole season.

1018
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,600
I don't think we'll ever do it
again, but I think it was

1019
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,320
worthwhile.
And I think Season 1, we had no

1020
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,160
idea what we were getting into
before we started.

1021
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,560
Man, oh man, we started with a
heck of a group of 32.

1022
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,080
Especially when you think that
we took Goodfellas out of this.

1023
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,560
What were the other two movies
that we had already reviewed?

1024
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,440
Yeah, I can't remember.
There's a couple of them though.

1025
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,280
Yeah, we just had a a really
great grouping of movies and

1026
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,800
it's been so much fun, man.
You said that this took an hour,

1027
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,040
but in all reality, Bob, this
has taken seven years.

1028
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,160
Like we have built up to this
since 2019 when we put out a

1029
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,160
preview episode of Anchorman,
The Legend of Ron Burgundy that

1030
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,160
sounded like it was recorded in
a barn.

1031
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Dude, I was just telling someone
yesterday about our first

1032
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,720
marathon recording session of
season #1 where we did 4 movies

1033
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,040
in one day and the only mic we
had to record with was a

1034
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,520
conference call microphone that
sat on the table in between us.

1035
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,840
Like, we've come a long way
since then for sure.

1036
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,240
Yeah, I really the preview for
this season should have been

1037
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:58,800
like audio from the Anchorman
original episode and then like

1038
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,120
morphed into audio from us
today, Crystal.

1039
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,400
Clear.
Yeah, exactly.

1040
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,360
I'll, I'll just say real
quickly, you know, we started

1041
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:11,480
season 10 as kind of a bonus
content thing back in 2023.

1042
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,400
So if you listen to some of
these recent episodes, you'll

1043
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,000
hear me saying in 2023, because
they originally released as

1044
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
bonus episodes for our Patreon
patrons.

1045
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,120
And we told them at the time,
eventually these will become the

1046
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,800
episodes for season 10.
And so I think we knocked out

1047
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,880
about half the season ahead of
time via audio so that we could

1048
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,920
start implementing video in the
meantime.

1049
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,560
And so this season in itself has
been almost three years in the

1050
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,120
making, Brad, as always, man,
this has been just like, it's so

1051
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,720
much fun to do this podcast with
you.

1052
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,400
It's so much fun to be able to
have a little community online

1053
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,160
that follows us through it.
We are gonna take a couple weeks

1054
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,800
off here across April, but we
will be back in May with season

1055
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,080
#11 Brad and I are finalizing
our list of movies for season

1056
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,680
11.
I'm really excited about the

1057
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,160
ideas we have for it.
Dude, I just, I can't wait.

1058
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,480
I'm ready to take a couple weeks
off and come back fully

1059
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,120
energized for another almost
year long endeavor here with

1060
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,480
you.
Dude, it's been such an absolute

1061
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,120
blessing to go on this journey
to watch over 300 odd movies

1062
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,520
with you, drink a ton of
whiskey, go go to cool places

1063
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,080
like New York and Kentucky and
it's just been a blast, man.

1064
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,720
It's a it's a wild time.
Also just to for you guys, the

1065
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,960
fans, like we have patrons out
there who believe in what we do

1066
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,560
enough to give us money, which
is wild.

1067
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,120
Thank you.
We have fans who come on to our

1068
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,440
Discord and have conversations
with one another.

1069
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,680
It is really just an absolute
blast to be a part of this and I

1070
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,400
I feel really thankful today.
I love it man.

1071
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,640
You're just thankful because you
won all the coin flips so.

1072
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,320
I mean.
You know, on that note, guys, we

1073
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,600
will see you in May for season
#11 we may or may not have some

1074
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,640
bonus episodes in the meantime
for you.

1075
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,440
You know what, like give us a
couple weeks off.

1076
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,560
We've been posting every week
for seven plus years, so we

1077
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,720
might just take a couple weeks
off here, guys.

1078
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,320
But on that note, that wraps up
season #10 let's go ahead and

1079
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,000
sign off until season 11.
I'm Bob.

1080
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,600
Book.
I'm Brad G.

1081
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,680
And we'll see you next time.