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On today's filmin, whiskey, we

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are going to be scoring Out.
Director, Clint Eastwood on,

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five, metrics to determine just,
what kind of director he is,

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And then we're going to go over
to an interview with Brett

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Bowles who you might know, from
Tick-Tock or Instagram, reels,

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as the Mt.
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favorite movies.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Well, hey, there everybody

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welcomed into the film and
whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G, and
we're coming at you with the

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first bonus episode of this
season.

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Ian bum, bonus episode, man.
We have gotten through three

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weeks.
Three weeks of Clint Eastwood.

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Some of the heaviest and saddest
movies, we've ever watched for

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this podcast,
back-to-back-to-back, Brad.

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Yeah.
Very, very interesting movies.

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I like my perspective on Clinton
has changed a lot in the last

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few years.
I got to say man putting him

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under scrutiny as a director.
Not just as an actor not just as

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like a movie star or a figure
but At how he directs films, I

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got to say, I really, really
have a ton of respect for him as

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an auteur in a way that I
probably didn't before this

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series.
Well, the, the thing for me

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that's hard to judge about Clint
is that he is.

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So prolific in his direct like
he, I mean, he probably has 30

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movies to his no.
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At least, I mean, probably more
than that, it's probably closer

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to 50 that he's directed.
Oh yeah.

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On top of 50 or 60 that he'd
only acted in, right.

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I'm gonna look it up.
You go ahead and vamp a little

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bit.
Okay.

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Well the reason I bring that up
is to say I went through a lot

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of his movies on IMDb and a lot
of them have anywhere from like

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a five to a 7 out of 10 which
you know is not exactly a high

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score on IMDb not so much and so
it's it's interesting to me at

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to when I think about most what
we would call out.

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Hers, I think about people who
only make a small amount of

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movies, you know what I mean?
Like, you think about somebody

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like Quentin Tarantino like he's
like, I'm going to make 10

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movies and that's it.
And I've are or Terrence Malick

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who comes out with a movie,
every like 37 years.

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Yeah.
You see what has 45 directing

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credits to his name on IMDb God?
Yeah, yeah.

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And so that's the hard part for
me is Is I feel like I've barely

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scratched the surface of him by
watching, you know, at this

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point we watched 3 now and we're
only going to judge him based on

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those three movies.
But we have watched four of his

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film.
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And I feel like I've barely even
gotten to know cleanse.

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We have watched less than 10% of
his directorial output and yet.

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Yeah, here we are making a
definitive statement on how good

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he is, as a director.
Yes, so let me let me set the

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scene here last season, we did a
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Sewed, called what makes a good
director and we basically

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decided, hey, let's find a fun
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What all artists hate and score
out how good a director is based

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on some metrics and then we put
them through a metric.

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We can tell how good they are.
And so we went back and forth

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determining like what are the
categories that you would judge

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just any director on their
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And we came up with a really
interesting list, it's not what

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I necessarily would have thought
would have been the five

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categories.
But we Look out to actually

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Brad.
Why don't you?

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Why don't you give us?
Are five categories, I don't

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have it pulled up here in front
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Yeah.
So the categories that we have

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and remember all of these are
nuanced by how the director

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influenced these areas.
So performances, what kind of

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performances did the director
draw out of his actors

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cinematography?
You know, when I look at the

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screen what do I see on screen
and how did the directors

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choice?
Ace affect all of that editing

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this includes Visual and audio.
So the score for the movie, the

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sound effects, the things like
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there, all of the visual things,
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scene.
Then we talked about cohesion,

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how well do do his movies work
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Do they have glaring holes, are
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maybe the plot or with the style
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Like, I'm thinking about
Goodfellas how the last few

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minutes of the movie feel
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So much different because, you
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And then finally, we're talking
about uniqueness within this

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directors era, how unique our
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How much do they Stand Out Among
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Yeah.
So those are our five categories

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performances cinematography
editing code.

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Asian and uniqueness last
season, what we started doing

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was, we took each director that
we did a mini-series on and we

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put them through that metric.
We release those episodes as

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Um, whiskey and sign up at one

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However, this season, we're

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bringing them to the public.
We're going to start with

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Eastwood and we're going to put
him through this metric, based

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only on the three.
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So we're talking about
Unforgiven Mystic River and Gran

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Torino.
Brad, I don't think we really

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need to beat around the bush
here anymore.

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Let's Jump Right In And I think
unfortunately the category that

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we're going to start with might
be the one that he gets the

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weakest score in because it's
performances.

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And this is really weighed down
by the performances in Gran

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Torino where the actual
professional actors are given

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such bad dialogue.
That they are not doing a good

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job.
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And then everyone else in the
movie who isn't named.

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Clint Eastwood is not a
professional actor.

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And so they're not good because
they're not actors.

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And like, I hate to say it this
way, but Mystic River had really

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great performances Unforgiven
really great performances.

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But when it comes to Gran
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kind of way down this score.
I'm only going to give him a 7

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out of 10 here on performances.
Yeah, I'm actually right below

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you at a 6.5.
I think that the Schofield kid

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and Unforgiven was the roughest
acting performance of that film.

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I think Mystic River was all
around like, really solid and,

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but outside of Sean Penn and Tim
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I don't know if anybody really
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And so I you know, so I think
that's easily his best film from

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a acting performance standpoint
and then you get to Gran Torino

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which kind of just tanks his
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So unfortunately I think we're
off to a little bit of a rough

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start.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know

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man.
Well hold on, let me, let me say

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this, I feel weird giving him a
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should be noted that in the
three movies.

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We watched there are three
oscar-winning performances.

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Yeah, that's true.
So it says something that three

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of the highest lauded
performances of his directing

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career, are balanced out by how
bad we thought the performances

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were in Gran Torino.
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Well also, if I'm being really
Blunt, The Legend of Clint is

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that he doesn't give his actors
any direction and so I guess

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maybe it's hard for me to give
him credit for Oscar wins.

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As in those categories is that
fair?

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Yeah I mean he's still did
direct them technically but

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yeah.
You know I got to say to I think

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we got to really really great
Eastwood performances in these

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three movies.
Yeah, I know between Unforgiven

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and Gran Torino and then, you
know, you and I have recently,

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we re-watched million-dollar
baby as well and I know that

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we're not considering that here,
but just to see the level of

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nuance between those three
characters and how he's doing

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variations on Clint, but they're
not the same.

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I think really does speak to how
good of an actor he is too.

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But again, our scores are our
scores and it's time for us to

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move into cinematography.
Now again, this is not just the

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shot composition but how does
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How does he move the camera?
How does he and his

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cinematographer use light and
darkness and Shadow and mood?

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And I think that this is really
where Eastwood shines because,

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you know, Unforgiven he's
working with the language of the

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western, the visual language of
movies like The Searchers.

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Which he's constantly calling
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Mystic River and grants Reno,
he's in his like Million Dollar

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Baby phase where everything is
almost black and white tea,

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saturated super strong shadows
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works.
I think all three of these

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movies, the visual cues and the
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work, really, really well for
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I'm going to give him a 9 out of
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I'm with you, I'm at a 9 out of
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I think that there's certain
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almost feels too bright.
And, and it's almost like the

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cameras were too high quality to
film a western like, like, when

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I think about westerns, I don't
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cameras.
And so there's a little bit of a

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struggle there for me.
But overall, I think that Clint

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does a really great job with the
camera.

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And knowing how quickly he
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almost more impressive to me
that he's able to capture these

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images in such a way that he
wants so quickly.

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Okay, that takes us to editing.
Now again, we understand the

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Clint Eastwood is not the editor
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director is ultimately
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movies, hold together.
We're going to get into cohesion

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as well here in a minute.
But with editing, it's like what

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we see on screen from the shots.
To the flow of the movie and

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we're also factoring in things
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I think a lot of directors
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create soundscapes like a
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You want to go watch a Nolan
movie in theaters, not just

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because it's loud but it's
because the guy knows what he's

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doing when he's building
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He may not know how to make Bane
sound intelligible, but the guy

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knows how to use the soundtrack.
So with Clint Eastwood, it's a

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little scatter shot because I
think Unforgiven is probably The

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strongest of the three when I
think about how tightly

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constructed it is Mystic River
was a little bit Shaggy and Gran

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Torino had a whole subplots that
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But what I will say is that I
think he's very underrated in

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his use of sound.
I thought that the sound in all

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three of these movies was
surprisingly great and I

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remembered he's being like
really small dramas, but they

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all had very good sound design
and you got a credit Clint with

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that a little bit.
So I don't know, man, where are

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you coming out on?
This one, I met an 8 out of 10.

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I think he does a pretty solid
job the way he moves movies

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along with his editing and I'm
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I think his sound design overall
is really solid.

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You also though have to take
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lot of music for his movies and
I think it works really, really

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well and Unforgiven and not so
well, but not terrible in Mystic

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River and then he sings at the
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Gran Torino.
So that, that definitely bumped

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my score down a little bit.
I might have been at eight and a

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half, but, but I'm sitting at an
eight, I'm gonna give him an 8

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as well.
I think everything, you said, I

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agree with Brad and that is a
perfect segue into talking about

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the cohesion of his movies.
How do these things hold

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together?
Do you know?

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It's kind of like when we give
Whiskey's a score and we talked

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about the overall balance.
Did anything stand out in a

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positive or negative way?
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experience across Unforgiven.
Absolutely.

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A consistent experience Mystic
River a couple little bumps in

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the road, but overall very good
Gran Torino, you know, I imagine

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that the potholed streets of
Detroit are a good metaphor for

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for the ride.
I went on in that movie and so

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yeah, man.
This once again it's really hard

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because it's like me give you a
10 for Unforgiven.

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I'm going to give you like an
eight and a half or mr.

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Griffin, I'm going to give you
like a 64 Gran Torino I guess

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I'll shake out.
To a seven and a half here.

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This is really boring.
Episode over here, we it is a

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fine.
I'm in the exact same spot,

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seven-and-a-half it like not,
not as good as his as his

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editing Gran Torino.
Just oh, man, I feel bad for

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saying it, but it's really
dragging down his ratings here,

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I think.
All right, and now it comes to

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uniqueness and this is, I think
a place where a lot of people on

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the surface wouldn't say like,
oh Clint Eastwood is a super

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unique director because he's
pretty like no-nonsense

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No-Frills is.
I wouldn't call him the most

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artistic director.
I wouldn't say that his shot

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compositions are always the best
especially like in Gran Torino.

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Like, it just kind of seems like
there's a camera kind of

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floating around, but it's not
always in the best place.

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However, You can't divorce.
The fact that Clint Eastwood is

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a movie star from who Clint
Eastwood is as a director

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because we've been saying it for
weeks and weeks.

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Now almost every movie that we
reviewed this season for him and

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even taking million-dollar baby
into account from years ago, on

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this podcast, Is a commentary on
Clint Eastwood's own stardom,

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and the kinds of movies.
He used to make and the kinds of

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themes that he feels like he
needs to correct or amend or

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give new thoughts on.
And I think because of that he

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makes these dark brooding movies
and he's not the only person to

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make dark brooding movies, but
he's the only person that can

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make a movie like that where it
has an automatic second layer

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built into it, just because he
made it.

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I think because of that, he's an
incredibly unique filmmaker.

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I'm gonna give him a 10 out of
10 here.

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I'll give him a nine and a half
out of ten.

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I think that I'm with you in all
those ways.

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And I think that what makes
Clint such a unique director is,

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is kind of twofold a.
He just doesn't give a rip what

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anybody says about him.
Like I can't imagine that his

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poorly rated movies.
Have any effect on him any more

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so than his highly.
Rate of boobies does but

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secondly, I think what really
makes him unique is his ability

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to take stories and kind of turn
them on their head.

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And the story that he
continually turns on its head

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and Bob, you're the one who
pointed this out.

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So, I'll give you the credit
here.

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He continually questions, why we
are obsessed with violence and

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forces his movie Watchers to
reckon with what violence brings

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about in the world.
And I think that Three of these

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movies do that in their own
unique ways.

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And I just haven't seen many
directors, sit on that subject

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for a large part of their
career.

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So I think he's a fantastically
unique director.

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All right, Brad.
So that is bringing me out to a

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41.5 out of 50 on Clint
Eastwood, as a director, what

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are you coming out to just a
point lower 40.5.

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All right, so, that's taking us
to an average of a 40 out of 50.

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It does feel really weird to
like numerically score a direct

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Ha be like he is exactly this
good because again, like we're

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only dealing with three of his
movies right now.

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But I think you know, even
considering the the rocky

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relationship we have with Gran
Torino, it says a lot about the

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guy that he's still coming out
to a 40 out of 50 here.

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Yeah, I think that Clint is
truly one of the most

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fascinating directors I've
watched in a long, long time.

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And I think it's a comes back to
what you said, Bob, when you've

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lived The movie world for this
long, it only makes sense that

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you start to question all of the
roles you portrayed earlier in

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life.
And so I yeah, I love Clint, I'm

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a little sad to see a score come
out to slow Bob.

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Yeah, well it is what it is man.
The metric does not lie Brad

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hits it sure.
Does it man.

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All right Brad, it is time for
us to sip a couple of Whiskey's

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before we get over into this
interview, with Brett bowls.

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So let's crack open, some
Virginia Distillery company.

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What do you say?
Let's get to it.

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All right everybody.
Today we are going to be taking

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a look at the Virginia
Distilling Company specifically

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their lineup of four Whiskey's
under the courage and

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conviction.
I wouldn't even call a brand

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like it's just their lineup
that's called courage and

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conviction.
That's right.

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Brad entering the Canon of
famous pairs here, you know,

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Pride and Prejudice Sense and
Sensibility.

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Yeah, courage and conviction.
So yeah.

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Junior.
Distillery company is a

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Distillery that we have not had
on the show ever before, but

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I've seen their product all over
the place and I guess if you

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could say that, they have two
main lines of whiskey one is

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this courage and conviction
which is carried.

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I think a little bit further
distribution wise and then the

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other one is a kind of specialty
Cask finished series that they

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call the vhw series.
We have two samples of those

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whiskies from The Distillery
that we will get to on a later.

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Bonus episode, but we figured,
hey, we're drinking.

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Four Whiskey's for you guys.
Like could cut us some slack

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here, you know?
Yeah.

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I will say, in the past, we have
been sent, you know, five six,

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seven samples from companies
before and we've drank them all

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in one sitting and nope, no
worry.

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I thought, yeah, I think it gets
to be a little too much for you

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guys to hear more than three or
four Whiskey's in a row.

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It also gets to be a little too
much for us.

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Yeah.
That's that's a lot of whiskey

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to drink and I go to bed dude.
Like this.

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I think exactly.
So Virginia Distillery company

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specialty is American single
malt whiskey which is a category

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that is rapidly growing.
But there are still only a few

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really big players in that vein.
And I think our favorite to this

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point, Brad has been McCarthy's
out of Oregon, which was just

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food, Dowler Stellar stuff.
I'm supposed to say.

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Yeah.
And I think old line out of

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Maryland, was a really good
option that I enjoyed quite a

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bit like the old line a lot too.
So yeah we've got four Whiskey's

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here to Drink.
It's their Baseline courage and

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conviction single malt whisky.
And then we've got the courage

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and conviction finished in
Bourbon casks, Sherry casks and

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Cuvee casks.
So we will get to all three of

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those but Brad, we're going to
start with this, you know.

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Just their standard courage and
conviction and let's Dive Right

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In man.
This is a 92 proof American

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single malt.
Whiskey, what are you picking up

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on the nose?
Yeah.

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This is a very pleasant nose for
me.

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It's a strong.
Malted barley.

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Lee opening.
And the more, I let it open up

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some.
I get some butterscotch.

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There's some dark roast, coffee
notes and then almost like

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almost like some Furs fresh,
like Evergreen Firs sprigs.

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Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?

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This has the brightness to it
that Irish whiskey and most

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blended Scotch has that we drink
have.

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And again like Brad you know
aside from bourbon I think

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Scotch is probably our most Most
drunk expression of whiskey.

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And yet, I still feel like we
don't you and I don't have the

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language down quite well enough
yet when it comes to Scotch

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whisky to describe.
So forgive me, if I'm comparing

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this, this is a single malt
whiskey.

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I don't mean to compare it,
negatively to a blended whiskey,

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that's not at all, what I mean.
But when I think about something

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like The McCarthys that we had
that lives in that sort of and

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that one was, I think peated as
well that lives in that sort of

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like, really high tier single
malt scotch.

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This one is much more
approachable.

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Bowl.
And I think it's probably

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intended to be that to it's got
the sort of floral and the melon

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that you get on some Highland
scotch has but it's being made

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in America.
I'm really, really excited to

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try this because those are like
my if I'm going to drink a

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scotch and it's not one that I
intend to knock my, you know,

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like blow me back in my seat
with its Pete.

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This is the kind that I like.
So I'm really excited to see one

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made here in America.
Let's give this a sip man.

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Yeah as I got into the palette
here.

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Here The Barley really comes
across strong that that malted

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barley flavor for me though.
There was some fresh herbs that

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went along with it and the
longer I sat with it, it got

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some really nice vanilla notes.
Overall, I don't think it was

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quite as complex as I was hoping
it to be though.

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I actually was pleasantly
surprised.

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I think I'm in a different spot
than you on this one.

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This one had a level of
sweetness that those you know

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blended Scotch has an Irish
Don't usually have and it's not

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honey.
It was vanilla and caramel that

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had a very wreck robust American
whiskey palette to it with that

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like really big bold maltiness
underneath.

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I will say that like the Char on
this the sort of smokiness you

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get is much closer to like
cigarette Ash than it is Pete.

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So if you're not ready for like
a really strong wood fire, like

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burnt sensation then like you
just need to be prepared for

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that on the Honest here.
But overall, I'm really

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impressed with this honestly,
Brad, and I'm excited to get

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into this bourbon finished one,
which is the first of the three

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finishes were doing.
Yeah, I think that the bourbon

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Cask for me, it had a very
similar nose to the first one

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but with like a caramel twist to
it is that fair?

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Like I don't want to be
reductionistic, but it is

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extraordinarily similar.
And then I'm like, oh there's

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yeah, there's a little bit of
brown sugar.

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There's kind of a caramely feel
to it more than an actual nose.

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Yeah, honestly it's so similar
that I'm not really picking up a

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lot of difference here but I'm
wondering if part of that is the

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sound stupid.
But you know we talked about in

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wine, the idea of like terroir
and how the land that you're

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getting the grapes from and
where you're making the wine,

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really affects the wine and
people have started talking

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about that in whiskey and I kind
of wonder if there's just

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something about making it in
America that Art's that bourbon

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Enos to it even though it's
being made out of barley, I have

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no idea man.
I think it's going to present

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itself more on the taste, if
anywhere, but the nose is

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extraordinarily similar.
Yeah, I think for me the palette

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is where this one changed, it
became a lot more creamy.

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You know, the The Barley came
through strong, but there was

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caramel there is vanilla and
then it almost turned cheesecake

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richness to me that I this one
definitely was Step up from

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their first expression.
This is definitely.

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I think the word, the two words
you used creamy and Rich are

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perfect for this.
However I think that it made the

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sweet note, stand out a little
bit.

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But I lost the melon and I lost
that like cigarette kind of a,

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she burn to it as well.
So it like it rounded off the

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rough edges.
But I think it's more a matter

447
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:16,500
of like personal preference.
Like do you like something that

448
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,800
has three or four really bold
flavors back to back to back.

449
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,000
Or do you like something that's
like a little bit more

450
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,300
well-rounded?
I think I actually prefer the

451
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:29,600
original to the bourbon Cask,
but I could see where your

452
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,900
liking that one better.
Yeah, I think it just came

453
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,000
across, especially the
creaminess came across to me as

454
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,100
something.
I would just enjoy more, but

455
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:43,800
that brings us over to our third
expression, which is the courage

456
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,700
and conviction finished in
Sherry casks.

457
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,400
Now, I don't know if we said
this Bob, but all of these are

458
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:57,200
clocking in at 46% ABV or 92
proof once again on the nose

459
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,300
here for me.
It was more of the same.

460
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:02,700
Maybe some cherry notes going
on.

461
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,700
But man, I like all three of
these at a.

462
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000
I don't I don't know.
I don't want to sound mean but

463
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,300
they all smell kind of like the
same whiskey to me.

464
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,900
Yeah, I feel that I think that
this one is just a tad closer,

465
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,900
you know, like our Very
first-ever Sherry finished

466
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:23,100
whiskey.
Was Glenmorangie back in season

467
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:23,600
one.
Yeah.

468
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:28,100
Like this is a step even closer
to a Highland scotch and in

469
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,500
particular, I think it's that
Glenmorangie will Santa from

470
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,900
season one.
It's like there's not a lot of

471
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:38,500
gray penis on it, but it has a
very classic Sherry finished

472
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:44,100
Scotch whisky nose to it and
it's like, you know, if if the

473
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:46,300
first two courage and
convictions were like, 80% of

474
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:49,300
the way to beat to smelling
exactly like those, this is 90%

475
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:50,600
of the way to smelling like
that.

476
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,100
And again, I don't want to give
the impression that it has to

477
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:58,100
taste like or it has to smell
like Scotch whiskey, to be

478
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:00,800
something on its own merits.
Like I don't want this to be

479
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,500
exactly like Scotch whiskey or
else like white.

480
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,800
Why should it exist?
You know what I mean like what

481
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,600
are we doing here right so I do
like that.

482
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,300
It is a little bit more in that
wheelhouse though because I'm

483
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,900
picking up some pretty subtle
changes here.

484
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,000
Yeah and when I got into the
palette it became much more tart

485
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,900
for me, there is definitely.
Mm, Cherry almost like a cherry

486
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:26,900
cordial going on with a little
bit of like dark chocolate.

487
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,200
There were some fig notes in
there.

488
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:34,400
Once again, The Barley comes
through very strongly here and

489
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,100
so those are, that's kind of
where I was sitting at on the

490
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,300
palate.
Bob, what about you?

491
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,300
Yeah, I think the, the, the
influence of the Sherry is way

492
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,200
stronger on this one than the
bourbon was on the bourbon

493
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,900
finished one.
Like there is that sort of

494
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:52,700
really, really dark grape note
on this Like it's almost like to

495
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,900
me, it's almost more like a
Pinot Noir than it is a Sherry

496
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,300
on this.
There's it's not super tannic

497
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,500
but the the sweetness has almost
been completely absorbed by

498
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,800
that.
Sort of I think fig is a good

499
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,700
word for it, Brad.
But for me, it was almost more

500
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,200
pruney than anything else.
I actually really like this.

501
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:15,900
But it is for sure the most
different one of the three that

502
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,600
we've had so far.
Yeah, yeah.

503
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,800
And then the fourth one is a
cuvette.

504
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,300
A a cask, which I'll be honest
with you, Bob I don't know.

505
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:29,700
Keep a is I think that's the The
Shopping Network that all of our

506
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:33,200
grandparents.
There's a QQ they see is

507
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,200
literally going to make that
jump on film.

508
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
It was nailed it.
All right.

509
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,300
So as we get into nosing, this
Kube a finish Brad, like, for

510
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,500
you, is it closer to the Sherry
fetishes of closer to the

511
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,100
bourbon finish, or is it its own
thing?

512
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,300
I think it's much closer to the
Sherry Cask for me.

513
00:28:54,300 --> 00:29:00,200
I got like grapes red berries.
Like I like all of all of those

514
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:04,000
fruity notes for me mixed with
the malted barley.

515
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:07,300
I will say the when I sat with
this one, this one gave me the

516
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,700
most unique note.
It was almost like you know the

517
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:15,300
little tin of Hershey's cocoa.
That like kids think is hot

518
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:20,200
chocolate and it 100% is 90s.
Yeah, that like I got a note of

519
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,700
that.
At on this knows, I like very

520
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,800
interesting.
You know what this this I think

521
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
does the best job of balancing
everything that came before it.

522
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Like there is a super strong
caramel note on this.

523
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Like it's vanilla but it's
definitely caramely but it also

524
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,800
has the most fruitiness to it
and the fruit is really bright.

525
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,100
Like you mentioned berries I do
think like raspberry is

526
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,000
something that I'm really
getting pretty strongly on this.

527
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,900
So it's it's almost like a more
tart grape or raspberry kind of

528
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:50,600
note to go along with that super
bourbon e Karma.

529
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,800
Note, I like this a lot.
I think this is the most complex

530
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,700
nodes of the.
For what did you think of the

531
00:29:55,708 --> 00:29:58,300
taste bread?
I really liked it.

532
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,900
This for me was my favorites of
the four Expressions.

533
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,600
There was some raspberry, the
vanilla turned stronger into the

534
00:30:07,608 --> 00:30:11,800
almost like a vanilla bean
flavor to mix with the malted

535
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
barley.
This was the first one I got

536
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,200
that almost had a little bit of
oakiness going on that.

537
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,600
I I thought brought out some
nice flavors overall.

538
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,400
Overall, I think this one, it's
not Head and Shoulders Above the

539
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,100
Rest, but for me, it's the clear
winner.

540
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,100
You know why?
I love you Brad, gee.

541
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,300
It's cuz that Robert, but it's
because you and I are so wildly

542
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:38,400
different as people because this
is, this is, I mean, I'm

543
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
drinking all four of these live.
You drank them before you press

544
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,800
record.
I'm trying them as we talk about

545
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,500
them.
This one did not work for me at

546
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:49,000
all and like I think those like
cigarette a she notes came up

547
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:53,000
pretty strongly towards the end.
Like a very bitter grape note.

548
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:57,100
However, this is the cool thing
about experimental finishes,

549
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:58,700
right?
And like, you know, I have no

550
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,100
idea.
Virginia, Distillery is going to

551
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:03,500
be listening to this or not, but
like, I don't think anyone,

552
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,200
there would be offended by me
saying, this is my least

553
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,400
favorite of the for doesn't
mean.

554
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000
I think it's bad bad.
It doesn't mean that I don't

555
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,500
think anyone should drink it.
And you've clearly said, you'd

556
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:13,900
think it's your favorite of the
for.

557
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:17,900
So, like, this is what's cool
about finishing whiskies in

558
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,000
different casks about
experimentation.

559
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:22,100
I think.
If I was going to rank mine out,

560
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:29,100
Brad, I would go Sherry, finish
original Bourbon and Cuba.

561
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,200
What would you do?
Um, I think I would honestly go

562
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Kube a bourbon regular Sherry.
Of course, I think we're like

563
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,800
complete opposite and that's a
fantastic endorsement of this,

564
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,500
Distillery.
Like I'm really looking forward

565
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,200
to these two other samples that
they sent us, that will do, like

566
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,000
I said on a future bonus
episode, but for now, I think

567
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,100
what you need to know is that if
you are in America, I don't know

568
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,700
their distribution outside the
Looks like if you see courage

569
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:07,300
and conviction on the Shelf, it
is like for me, the the number

570
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,400
one thing I can say about it is
that I respect so much that

571
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,800
they're embracing the
experimentation from expression

572
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,400
to expression.
I think that your best bet.

573
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,900
Like if you're going to go right
down the middle is to just buy

574
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:23,500
the original version.
But honestly Brad, this makes me

575
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,700
kind of nostalgic because it
reminds me of that.

576
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:28,200
Glenmorangie.
Sampler, we did in season one

577
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:33,500
like this is so similar to that.
In that the different finishes,

578
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:36,300
they're adding to their
original, kind of, you know,

579
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Baseline off ring, really do add
so many complex layers to it,

580
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,300
and it's like, wow.
We find America gets one of

581
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,100
these.
Now, we have a single malt

582
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,200
distiller that's doing this kind
of thing.

583
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,600
Yeah, I was going to say,
Virginia, Distillery company,

584
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,000
the Glenmorangie of America.
I'm sure they'll love getting

585
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
sued by putting that slogan on
things.

586
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,200
All right.
Brad, it is time for us.

587
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,800
Us to get over to our interview
with the world-famous tick

588
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,500
talker.
Do I sound old enough?

589
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,200
When I say tick tock?
ER, yes, yes, that's officially

590
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,900
old and let's get over to our
interview with our friend Brett

591
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:14,900
Bulls.
What do you say?

592
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:21,000
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

593
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,900
We are joined by our new friend
and we're kind of Fanboys of

594
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:27,400
him.
Little bit Bob.

595
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,500
Yeah, Brett Bulls.
Who's known as the Mt on

596
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,400
Tick-Tock, Inn on your Instagram
reels.

597
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,400
I'm sure you've seen him.
If you're a follower of our

598
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600
podcast.
Brett, how are you this evening?

599
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:40,200
I am terrific.
How are you guys?

600
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,800
We're doing great.
It is, it's so nice to be able

601
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,300
to, like, have a conversation
with you and know that you have

602
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,700
not like, busted out the
Patented Brett bull singing

603
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,100
voice yet.
I don't, I don't think I've ever

604
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:56,600
interacted with any bit of you
for more than 30 seconds without

605
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,600
hearing that baritone.
You've got.

606
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,100
Well, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.

607
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,100
So, if you're not, if you're not
familiar with Brett, he is a

608
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:11,100
voice coach, a music teacher and
he's blowing up on our phones

609
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,300
recently.
He has, like I said, it's called

610
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,500
the Mt where he breaks down
music theory from some of your

611
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,100
favorite shows movies,
generally.

612
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600
I think Disney is kind of like,
where I've seen you camping out

613
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,300
the most.
I'm sure that gets you a lot of

614
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,300
views, but I get a wave of
nostalgia.

615
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,699
Every time I see you, dive deep,
into the music, theory behind,

616
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:35,000
some of our favorite songs.
I don't think you're alone in

617
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,100
that.
Well, the reasons I do the, a

618
00:34:37,107 --> 00:34:39,600
lot of Disney.
Yeah, I was going to say, for

619
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,900
me, one of the first ones, I
remember seeing from you Brett

620
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:48,199
was The Prince of Egypt,
discussing the plagues song and

621
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:53,300
that Hey, it's one of the
greatest Musical songs ever

622
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,800
written for an animated feature,
in my opinion.

623
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,400
It's so good.
It's strange, though.

624
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,700
I when I started covering that,
I think I started, I did that 12

625
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:07,400
years ago and I started it
around Passover week obviously,

626
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,900
and, you know, I've always loved
that particular song, but it

627
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,300
wasn't.
That's not the one that I take

628
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,600
away from the film.
So I was surprised with so many

629
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,400
people gravitate toward that
song.

630
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,800
I didn't realize how much of
like I told following like just

631
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,500
that song has, but it was pretty
fascinating for me.

632
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,200
Which one which one sticks out
for you?

633
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,200
I love through Heavens eyes.
That's yes my favorite.

634
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,700
Yes bread.
I was going to say we listen to

635
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:40,100
that song with our daughters on
repeat and she just absolutely

636
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,800
loves it.
And I'm with you if you are into

637
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,800
the whole Christianity thing and
religion, the theology in that

638
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,900
song, it's one of the best
written songs.

639
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,200
I think I've ever heard, but
then on top of that, it's just

640
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,700
absolutely beautiful.
It's gorgeous.

641
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:59,700
And Brian Stokes Mitchell
singing on, it doesn't hurt it

642
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:00,900
either.
So yeah.

643
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,400
Yeah.
So followers of our podcast will

644
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,900
know that Brad was stumping for
us to get the Prince of Egypt on

645
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,900
the show for years and years
because it's one of his favorite

646
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,300
movies and me being a stickler.
I was like no it needs to be

647
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:15,800
classic films that were
reviewing and then we did a

648
00:36:15,808 --> 00:36:19,200
season a couple years ago where
we each just kind of picked 15

649
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,200
of our favorite movies, whether
they were good or bad movies,

650
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,500
that had some really deep
memories for us.

651
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,400
And so we watched The Prince of
Egypt.

652
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,700
And the thing I love about The
Prince of Egypt, it kind of

653
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,600
correlates with the movie that I
picked for that season which was

654
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,100
the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
And after The Lion King and

655
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,900
through to the end of the decade
in the 1990s, it seemed like

656
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:46,400
Studios went all in on not just
you know animated musicals but

657
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,500
in making them as intricate and
maximalist stick as possible.

658
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,500
You know I've heard you talk a
little bit about the DAC Ray in

659
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:57,900
Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Kind of the same thing for me

660
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:02,500
with Prince of Egypt, like the
orchestrations, the incredibly

661
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:06,100
layered choral Arrangements.
It's like if they reached their

662
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,000
Pinnacle with those two movies
and then after a couple of them

663
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,900
didn't perform Super well at the
box office, it feels like the

664
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:16,000
early 2000s are just kind of a
wasteland for musicals for my

665
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,100
child, right?
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point,

666
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,200
actually.
It's interesting, though.

667
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,700
So Brett.
Let's go back a little bit.

668
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,000
Let's talk about your history
and how you got to this point.

669
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,900
So, I know that you you went to
school for music theory, right?

670
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,900
Yeah, I went to school for
composition, okay?

671
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,900
Up for music composition at
Ithaca, with an emphasis in

672
00:37:37,908 --> 00:37:39,600
musical theater.
Some musical theater writers.

673
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,100
So that's really what I wanted
to do and I still do it.

674
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:48,100
And I met the focus of my four
years at school was to write a

675
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,100
musical that would be produced
by the, by the theater

676
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,700
Department as a main A musical
because no student has ever done

677
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,600
that before.
So I was like, I'm gonna do this

678
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,900
and so I did, and we did an
adaptation.

679
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,300
I did an adaptation of The Count
of Monte Cristo before.

680
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:06,000
Frank wildhorn wrote his and was
performed my senior year and

681
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,900
those of you who are musical
theater people, if you know who

682
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,200
Jeremy, Jordan is big name in
musical theater.

683
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,000
He was, we went to school
together.

684
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,100
We're same year and he actually
started in that show in college

685
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:17,800
when we were in college
together, you can actually find

686
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,600
it on YouTube.
If you look up my name or his

687
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,600
name in The Count of Monte
Cristo, you'll see some clips of

688
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,300
us as baby.
He's doing that show during

689
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,000
college Brad.
I'm going to look that up.

690
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,300
The Count of Monte Cristo is one
of my favorite classic novels so

691
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,800
good.
It was my dad's favorite book

692
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,200
and yeah, he got me into it.
I started actually started

693
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,600
writing it in high school and
continued, it all throughout

694
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,700
college.
So I did everything.

695
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,200
I did book music, lyrics,
orchestrations and develop, and,

696
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,800
wow, that's pretty incredible.
And I wished that, you know, in

697
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,900
the wave-like post lame is that
we had gotten more of those kind

698
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,100
of classic literature
adaptations for.

699
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,700
For musical theater, because I'm
like, like Brad said, I mean,

700
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,400
that book is just it's perfect
for what we were going for in

701
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,200
that era.
Like, I wish that I wish that

702
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,800
we'd gotten more like that.
I know they're so expensive to

703
00:39:06,808 --> 00:39:07,800
produce.
You know y'all.

704
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,400
That's true too.
So you get out of school and for

705
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,300
years and years and years.
You are a vocal coach and a

706
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,400
choir teacher.
And I'm really interested to

707
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,200
hear, you know, the transition
from like the day-to-day

708
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,000
teaching teenagers to then
living on the app that they are

709
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,800
on constantly.
Like what's that transition like

710
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,200
for you as an educator, is it
awkward for you?

711
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,500
Is it awkward?
For them.

712
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:39,200
So, okay.
So this is my fifth year

713
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:42,800
teaching in public school.
So before I started teaching in

714
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,500
high school, I was doing private
voice lessons and I would music

715
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:50,900
directed shows locally and
around whatever but right around

716
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,300
when the pandemic hit the kids
have been talking about

717
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,300
Tick-Tock a lot.
I'm notoriously terrible at

718
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,100
anything.
Social media related, but not

719
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,200
anymore.
But I used to be.

720
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,200
And so I sort of we were home
and I was teaching my Teaching

721
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,600
my half hour classes from my
house and I had a summer that

722
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,300
summer.
It was nothing going on.

723
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,100
I usually direct to show over
the summer and obviously, none

724
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,100
of that was happening.
So right around winter, break of

725
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:23,800
that following year, I decided
to give this a shot and I

726
00:40:23,808 --> 00:40:28,500
thought, you know what, I'll let
me go and try to meet people

727
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:32,300
where they are in terms of how
songs are written and how

728
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,200
songwriters think.
And it turns out that Die.

729
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,900
I think I was uniquely
positioned as a writer and as an

730
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:43,100
educator and as a performer to
kind of tackle this in a way

731
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,900
that nobody else really had.
And I thought if I can just

732
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,800
educate, maybe 300 new people.
I thought that would be great.

733
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,000
You know, I never never thinking
in a million years that it would

734
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,100
blow up the way that it did.
But I, if you look at the very

735
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,000
beginning of my video feed, like
the very beginning of it.

736
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,900
The first like, you know, weeks
week or two Worth of videos.

737
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,000
I had it set up so that like my
ring light and my camera was in

738
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,800
front of me.
Looking at me and I was sort of

739
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,400
sitting at the keyboard, but you
can really see the piano and

740
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,700
ultimately I decided this was
the teacher in me that like,

741
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:21,400
maybe it would be better to
place the camera to the side.

742
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,200
So you could sort of see the
piano and I could turn and it

743
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,300
would almost be like you're just
sitting next to me.

744
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,600
And I was just talking to you.
Like you were one of my students

745
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,500
and that's when things started
to catch on and I think it had a

746
00:41:31,508 --> 00:41:33,100
lot.
I think I had a lot to do with

747
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,800
the with the positioning of the
camera.

748
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:38,900
And the style which I was
starting to do things so that

749
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,400
was but that's my experience as
a teacher.

750
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,200
So I think it all sort of came
together in this nice

751
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,300
serendipitous way and the thing
took off no, it certainly did

752
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,100
that Brad.
I don't mean to step on you but

753
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,100
I mean it's grown to I think
you're at like three hundred and

754
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,800
seventy-five thousand followers
on Tik-Tok now.

755
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,900
I mean, did you ever did you
ever?

756
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,900
Did you ever imagine it getting
to this point?

757
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:08,200
And I'm Do you think it's more
people responding to finding out

758
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,900
new things about their favorite
songs?

759
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,300
Or is it in some ways?
People have been confirmed for

760
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:15,100
them.
Like why they love these songs

761
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,900
in the first place?
Like the feedback that you get

762
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:19,500
from people?
What do you think it is?

763
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:21,300
That has made it catch on so
much.

764
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,700
I think that the comments that I
get to most of our I'm listening

765
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,800
to music in a new way, okay?
It's like almost like I liken it

766
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,500
to a sense that you never knew
you were always had and you just

767
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,000
sort of Need somebody to break
it down to you and language that

768
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,700
you can understand and my my
goal from the very beginning was

769
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:43,800
to be able to reach anyone
regardless of their level of

770
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,100
knowledge or experience.
So I try not to use too much

771
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,900
musical jargon because a lot of
people don't understand that and

772
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,100
I try to break it down in ways
that are really accessible.

773
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,700
So I think people are hearing
songs in ways, they never knew

774
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,600
that they could, and that's
exciting.

775
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,700
And I think once you start to
listen to songs that way, it's

776
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,400
hard to stop and you want to,
and I think you appreciate the

777
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,800
craft more, When you know what's
going on, it's not like a magic

778
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,300
trick where it spoils the trick,
if, you know how it's done.

779
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,200
It's one of those things.
It gives you a deeper

780
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,100
appreciation for for the songs
that, you know, and love.

781
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:16,000
So I think that's what people
are reacting to.

782
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,800
I remember being really, really
young and, you know, watching

783
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,000
movies and stuff and at a
certain point, you know, I was

784
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,900
probably like seven eight, nine
years old.

785
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:34,800
I realized that the music and
movies wasn't just like A part

786
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,100
of the movie.
It was something that people

787
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,100
played on instruments.
Do you like do you guys remember

788
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,800
having that realization at some
point in your childhood?

789
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:44,900
Yeah.
Like learning that a movie is

790
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,100
all pretend and directed and
that there's people that

791
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,100
cameras.
Yeah.

792
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:50,500
The music's totally.
Exactly.

793
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:53,500
Yeah.
And I have a specific memory of

794
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,900
realizing like, oh, the music.
Like I probably saw something on

795
00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:00,600
TV on, like PBS or something of
an orchestra playing a movie

796
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,100
score and being like, oh, wow.
This is a different Part of it

797
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:10,000
and it feels like ever since
then I've slowly like do deeper

798
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,500
and deeper into, like it's not
just like not a part of it.

799
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:18,900
It's like a whole thing and
Brett, I feel like you're your

800
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:24,400
pocket of the internet speaks to
that process in such a way where

801
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,000
people can move from.
Okay, I know that the music in

802
00:44:29,008 --> 00:44:34,800
the movie is made by people.
Let's figure out more and more,

803
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,900
and more, and it's that
educational side of it, that

804
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,000
makes people go.
Oh, man, like I already love

805
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600
this music and now I get to
learn more about it.

806
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,900
Like, that's awesome.
Yeah.

807
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:50,400
Well, you don't, you don't know
what you don't know, sometimes.

808
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,300
And so when when people realize
that composers who write to film

809
00:44:55,300 --> 00:45:00,200
or for film are are making
conscious decisions about where

810
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,100
they're placing notes, how
they're Acting Melodies and

811
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,000
harmonic motion.
And what instruments are

812
00:45:06,008 --> 00:45:06,800
playing.
What?

813
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,800
And if there's a reason for all
of those choices to, you know,

814
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,500
for lack of a better word to
manipulate your emotions, I

815
00:45:12,508 --> 00:45:15,800
mean, that's a cool thing to
realize, if you never really

816
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,700
knew that or understood it, or
maybe you knew that, but didn't

817
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,600
really understand how it all
worked.

818
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,200
And so, it's just a really cool
thing for people to learn, I

819
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,000
think, absolutely.
So, I imagine that at this

820
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,300
point, you've had this question
asked of you hundreds and

821
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,500
hundreds of times, but people
see you talking.

822
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,800
Talking about specific pieces of
music specific songs on, you

823
00:45:35,808 --> 00:45:38,800
know, Instagram, reels,
Tick-Tock, whatever, what would

824
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,100
you suggest as?
Like, the, the Baseline general

825
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,100
rules for.
Okay, I've been watching Brett

826
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:49,200
bowls at one applied this this
kind of, thinking to all of the

827
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,900
music that I take in my life,
whether it's accompanying a

828
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:54,400
movie or a TV show or whatever.
If it's just something on the

829
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,400
radio, what are your kind of
General guidelines for people

830
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,300
who are starting to develop that
ear for interesting?

831
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,800
Theory or kind of compositional
observations.

832
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,100
So I think it all comes down to
prosody, right?

833
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,300
And that's the thing that I talk
about more than anything else

834
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:16,200
is, is prosody and that is how
all the elements of a particular

835
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,900
song or a piece of music work
together to tell the same story.

836
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,100
So, in a musical, for example,
you have lyrics and you have

837
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,200
music, right?
That those are the, the primary,

838
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,100
the primary pieces that come
together to tell a story.

839
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,300
And so as a writer, as a A
songwriter.

840
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,200
If you're constructing a song,
you want to make sure that your

841
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:43,800
music is helping the lyric.
Tell whatever story The Lyric is

842
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,400
telling.
So you know, on a very basic

843
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,800
level.
It can be something as simple as

844
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
if the character is singing
about looking up at the sky or

845
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,500
something, that the music would
probably be moving in some kind

846
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,200
of upward trajectories to, to
mirror that it can be as simple

847
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000
as that.
It can also be a now in the case

848
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,800
of something like film.
For example, I did a whole thing

849
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,000
about the beginning of the movie
up the Pixar Disney Pixar film

850
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,900
up.
Yeah, and now that gets more

851
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:16,900
into into harmonic structure and
Michael giacchino who does the

852
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:20,600
same thing inside out as he does
in up and he uses he bases

853
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,200
everything on a major 7 chord so
that's a minor chord stacked on

854
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,100
top of a major chord.
So essentially it's a major

855
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,600
chord and a minor chord together
which creates a sense of

856
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,600
melancholy because on a very
Basic basic basic, basic level,

857
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,900
major chords are the
quote-unquote, Happy chords and

858
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,700
minor chords of the
quote-unquote sad chords even

859
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,000
though it's a very, very, very
basic explanation of it.

860
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,100
But when you put those two
things together, it creates this

861
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,200
sense of melancholy.
And so a lot of times when, when

862
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,400
the ear is hearing something
that's different from what the

863
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,900
eye is seeing, it creates it
trips this wire and our brain,

864
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:56,900
and it makes us feel something.
So, as you know, mr.

865
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:58,700
Fredricksen is going back into
his house.

866
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:03,000
After Ellie dies, we hear this
alternate, this All these

867
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,700
alternate chords playing, it's
an F major 7, and then an F

868
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,800
major and F major 7 and an F
major.

869
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,700
And you're wondering like, where
is it going to land, right?

870
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:12,000
We have this really Melancholy
chord followed by what we

871
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,200
normally would think of as a
happy chord, but something

872
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,100
really sad is just happened and
when he closes the door and goes

873
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,700
back into the house, the very
last thing we hear as it settles

874
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:23,600
on an F major chord and it just
does something to you inside it

875
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
like makes you well up with
tears in it, tugs at your

876
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,600
heartstrings because what you're
seeing and what you're hearing

877
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,600
are not the same things.
You have this cognitive

878
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,500
dissonance going on and it's a
really We powerful thing to use

879
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:35,200
in film music.
I love it.

880
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,600
I can sit here and listen to
this all day.

881
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
I think.
Maybe it may be the best

882
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,100
application of it.
Is if we talk about a specific

883
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,400
movie and Brett as you and I
were kind of going back and

884
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,800
forth through email we settled
on talking about what is.

885
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,200
I mean, still a couple years
after its release, definitely

886
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,000
the most popular, current Disney
musical.

887
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,500
And that is in canto, a movie
that has just infected my home

888
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:02,400
with unending music for two and
a half years.

889
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,000
Now tonight we're like you know,
I'm putting my kids to bed and

890
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,900
we're listening to Encanto
lullabies.

891
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,200
It's not any other kind of
lullaby is specifically in canto

892
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,800
and I have a very interesting
relationship with this movie

893
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,800
because when Disney released the
filmed version of Hamilton in

894
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,000
2020, it hit me in such a way
that with Hamilton, it was one

895
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,700
of those things where I
recognized it almost immediately

896
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,300
as the kind of work of art, that
only comes around every like 10,

897
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:36,100
15 years, that is like, so
intricate and so dense and just

898
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,800
a text that you can return to
time and time and time again and

899
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,700
find new meanings in and levels
of Music Theory and everything

900
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,300
else.
And then when I saw him

901
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,200
listening to that, you're going
to encounter what I'm saying.

902
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,800
So then you know, lin-manuel
Miranda does in canto.

903
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,200
And I remember walking out of
Encanto and being like a little

904
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,100
bit let down and I couldn't
Don't Place why I felt so, let

905
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,600
down, by, in canto.
And the more I watched it

906
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,200
because I have been forced to
watch it.

907
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,900
I realized I, I think the movie
would have been much better

908
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,700
served, Brad, if lin-manuel
Miranda had been given free rein

909
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,200
to do the entire thing in that
sort of Opera style that he did

910
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,900
Hamilton.
I like I wish there was no

911
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:16,300
dialogue in that movie.
I wish there were no breaks from

912
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,500
the music because even if you
just listen to the Encanto

913
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:24,200
soundtrack, every single thing
that the actual, you know, in on

914
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,200
Broadway, they're called the
book.

915
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,900
Everything that the book The
libretto would tell you

916
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,200
lin-manuel, Miranda has already
done either in the lyrics or in

917
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,500
the musical, themes of the music
itself.

918
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,600
It just I think the redundancy
of it is.

919
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600
What got to me.
That's interesting.

920
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:41,900
Brad.
You've seen in canto, right?

921
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,400
I have seen in canto.
Yeah.

922
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,000
What are your general thoughts
on Encanto?

923
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:53,500
I thought that it was a solid
like be - animated musical

924
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,000
guide.
I think that the music Overall

925
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,100
was really fun and engaging.
I think the animation style was

926
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:05,000
very bright and and I feel like
that's been missing.

927
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,100
The story was a lot better than
a lot of other Disney stuff

928
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,800
lately.
So overall I enjoyed it.

929
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,800
Yeah, that was pretty good.
So, Brett went in canto.

930
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,000
First came across your radar.
I mean, like what, how do you

931
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,800
tackle something like a
lin-manuel Miranda production?

932
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,400
Well, soul in is Is extremely
knowledgeable about his craft

933
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:35,100
and very deliberate in a lot of
ways more deliberate than, than

934
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:39,100
many other writers even are
about his choices in the choices

935
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:43,000
that he makes.
And so, when it comes to him, I

936
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,600
like to focus on little moments
as opposed to, and to supposed

937
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,400
to taking a macroscopic view at
first, and just kind of like

938
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,200
Delight in the little things
that he does.

939
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,500
This actually Encanto my one of
my Encanto videos as well.

940
00:51:56,500 --> 00:52:03,500
Got Lynn to follow me on
Instagram and it was that song.

941
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:08,900
What else can I do that?
Isabel sings and Isabella,

942
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:11,300
Isabella Isabella.
Yeah, Isabel, yeah.

943
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,600
And it there's a the opening
phrase one of the opening

944
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,700
phrases of that song.
There's a there's a four measure

945
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:22,300
phrase followed by a five
measure phrase and it happens

946
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:24,800
right around the words.
It's not symmetrical or perfect

947
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,100
but it's Full and it's mine and
it's a very deliberate choice

948
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:31,700
that he made to do that four
measure phrase, followed by the

949
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,700
five major phase because again,
that's prosody that's the music

950
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:36,700
and the structure of the music
supporting the story of the

951
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:39,500
lyric, right?
And that's the video that he

952
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:42,000
shared on his story and said,
you know, quit giving away my

953
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,300
secret spread so which was very
cool.

954
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:51,300
But that it's just those kinds
of choices that he makes are so

955
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:55,600
fun to Delight in and share with
people because you not going to

956
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,900
hear that.
You know, most people aren't

957
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:59,800
going to hear that on first
listen and and admittedly, I

958
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
don't hear a lot of that stuff
on first lesson.

959
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,400
It takes me looking at the score
and going into it to learn all

960
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,100
this stuff.
So one of the other reasons I

961
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,400
love doing all these videos is
because I'm learning at the same

962
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,100
time everybody else is.
I don't always pick up on this

963
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,800
stuff on first.
Listen, I sometimes have to look

964
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
at it and and only through
looking at it, do I realize.

965
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,300
Oh my God, that's so cool.
I want to talk real quick about

966
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:20,600
like one of my favorite moments
because I went back and listened

967
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
again to the Encanto.
Soundtrack just to prepare for

968
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,700
this.
And one of my very favorite

969
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,200
moments and It's something that
like rats going to be like,

970
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,100
yeah, of course, but I love in
the first song in the movie, The

971
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,900
Family module where Mary Belle
is introducing the whole family

972
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,000
and it follows a very particular
rhythm of very particular

973
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,400
pattern and a very particular
Melody until they get to abuela.

974
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,900
And then the melody that she's
sayings is, you know, we swear

975
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,700
to always help those around us
and it's The Melody of a song

976
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,400
that comes later on, you know,
it's a foreshadowing of a song

977
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,100
that comes later on in the movie
called, do sword.

978
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:59,100
Geeta's and we've already gotten
a hint of it in the movie

979
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,800
because the opening scene, we
see her husband, get

980
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,600
slaughtered.
And the kind of birth of the

981
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,700
miracle that is protecting this
family.

982
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:11,200
But what I love that they do in
that song, by allowing her to

983
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,400
kind of give a little bit of
that foreshadowing through that

984
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,400
Melody is it's such an early
window into her psychology and

985
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,900
what's driving her and it's not
just that she's hard on the

986
00:54:20,908 --> 00:54:23,400
family, it's not just that she's
forcing them to live up to a

987
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
standard.
It's that when Revisit that

988
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,600
Melody later on in the movie in
that scene, dose order.

989
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,800
Gita's, it is, I mean it's
heart-wrenching because you're

990
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,000
finally seeing it from her
perspective and you're seeing

991
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,200
what she had to go through and
they'll the grief and loss that

992
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,100
she still processing.
And then to go back to the

993
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,800
family Madrigal where she's
talking about work and

994
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,800
dedication.
Will keep the miracle burning,

995
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:49,900
you know, and each new
generation must keep the miracle

996
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:53,300
burning.
It's it's so like Brad.

997
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:54,800
I don't know.
We've talked about, you know,

998
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,200
the the The therapy elements of
that movie before and everybody

999
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,300
needs to be in it in that movie.
But to get all of what becomes

1000
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,800
explicit kind of folded in in
that lovely, little way early on

1001
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,300
in the movie.
I just it really softens the

1002
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,500
character of abuela for me and I
think it's just like it's a nice

1003
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,700
little trail of breadcrumbs that
you get from the beginning of

1004
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:17,900
the movie into that emotional
climax later on.

1005
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:23,100
It's it's also really cool that
in that moment.

1006
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:28,100
It shows an illustration It's
how far apart abuela and

1007
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,300
Mirabelle are from each other,
right?

1008
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,300
And it's also that same song
that brings them then together

1009
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:35,600
at the end.
So it serves it.

1010
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,600
Serves the purpose of
illustrating their the, the two

1011
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,700
extreme ends of their
relationship to, which is really

1012
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,000
cool.
Absolutely.

1013
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:46,800
I was going to say, part of the
beauty of learning is not just

1014
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,200
the initial learning.
It's the teaching it to other

1015
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,400
people because like, I know
people have said this before,

1016
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,700
but you don't truly learn
something until Till you have

1017
00:55:55,700 --> 00:56:00,400
taught it to someone else and
that like, really helps it sink

1018
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,100
in and I think we can see that
in your videos over the years

1019
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:07,000
Brett because, you know, at the
start you are teaching it at a

1020
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,600
high level, but it feels like as
we've moved on and you've done

1021
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,600
thousands of videos.
Now it's like your knowledge of

1022
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,100
all these has deepened just
because you've been teaching it

1023
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,700
so much and that's just been
really cool to watch.

1024
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:25,100
Yeah yeah if that's it as a
teacher I love.

1025
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:28,000
Learning just as much as I love
teaching and they both go hand

1026
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,100
in hand.
And this has been not only a

1027
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,100
teacher teaching experience for
Better Learning Experience for

1028
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:34,600
me.
So yeah, it's been awesome.

1029
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,400
All right.
Brett before we let you go.

1030
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,800
I mean, we brought you onto the
film and whiskey podcast.

1031
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,300
We can't not talk about movies
for like a majority of the time.

1032
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,800
We're here.
So, stepping out of the world of

1033
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,100
Encanto, I know you've hinted at
some other movie related series

1034
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:52,200
that you've done on your
channel, but is there any movie

1035
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,900
score or song from a movie that
You really hope to dive into

1036
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:58,300
like, is there anything that
you'd like to do?

1037
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:02,200
Like a really deep dive on over
an extended series of movies or

1038
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,600
just things that you're like man
I hope someday I get a chance to

1039
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,600
do that score.
Yeah it's a really good question

1040
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:16,300
you know, I I've done so I've
done a few Lord of the Rings

1041
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,700
things and I've done a few Star
Wars things.

1042
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:23,500
I would I would really love to
just to dig into both of those

1043
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,300
things even more than I have.
Have just because there's so

1044
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:29,400
there's so much there.
Yeah I mean Howard Shore and

1045
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,800
John Williams were both just
absolute masters of The Craft

1046
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:36,000
but people have also been asking
for some of the older like

1047
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,900
Enrico more Recon.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:43,400
So I'm a, I'm a like Cinema
Paradiso and those kinds of

1049
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,200
things.
I may, it may be really cool to

1050
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,100
kind of go back and look at some
of those two because I haven't

1051
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:50,200
done a whole lot of that.
Yeah, so that my things I need,

1052
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,400
sometimes I go back and just
listen to The Good, The Bad, and

1053
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,300
The Ugly.
And it's it might just be the

1054
00:57:57,300 --> 00:58:03,000
best soundtrack, ever written.
Like it is such an incredible

1055
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,900
piece of composition from start
to finish.

1056
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,400
So yeah.
That I'm there all day for that

1057
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,500
Brett.
Yeah, I think that maybe some of

1058
00:58:12,508 --> 00:58:15,000
the next film of things,
although it may go back.

1059
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:20,300
Although, if you dedicated like
a month of your your show, if

1060
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,200
you will to Lord of the Rings, I
don't think anybody would come

1061
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,700
Plane probably not probably not.
Those films are just Exquisite.

1062
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:31,200
Oh my God, the music in those
films.

1063
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,400
So good.
So one of the things we like to

1064
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,200
do before we let a guest go we
put them on the hot seat and we

1065
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,800
run them through a
questionnaire.

1066
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:40,200
I'll tell you what Brett we're
going to let you off a little

1067
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,000
bit easy but I do have a one
burning question and you have to

1068
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,400
answer immediately as soon as I
asked it, no thinking about

1069
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,900
this.
What is the best John Williams

1070
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:56,100
score?
Star Wars.

1071
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,700
Who whole there you go?
Brad, let's go.

1072
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,600
I was really hungry.
We get an ET plug here.

1073
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,400
Bob go home.
All right, it's got main theme

1074
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,200
for me.
T is great.

1075
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,600
I was going to say, John
Williams, is the only good thing

1076
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,600
for me tea.
Oh, I didn't think we'd, I

1077
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,500
didn't think we devolve into
this.

1078
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,900
All right, everybody.
This has been Brett Bullseye.

1079
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,600
I cannot tell you Brett.
First of all, how thankful we

1080
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,500
are that you sat down with us
for a little bit so that we

1081
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,200
could tell you.
I mean it's been a long time

1082
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,700
since I was in choir and I look
for those kind of musical

1083
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,400
outlets and those chances to
converse with people about

1084
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,100
really getting intricate with
what the musics about and I feel

1085
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,600
like I get to have that
conversation with you every time

1086
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,000
I'm watching your videos.
So first of all thank you for

1087
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,300
that but we want to give you we
want to give you an opportunity

1088
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,500
to plug anything that you have
coming up.

1089
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,600
Anything that you know you can
tantalize us with a little bit

1090
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,500
because you're very busy guy and
you're doing big things now

1091
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:58,800
starting to.
Yeah, I've got some things

1092
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,300
planned.
I do have a have a few courses

1093
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:04,700
that are going to be coming.
I have seen.

1094
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:08,800
I'm starting with a lyric
writing course so that's going

1095
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,600
to be available starting next
month and after that shortly

1096
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,700
after that I'll be going into a
music writing course all sort of

1097
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,300
tying into song writing in
general.

1098
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:20,600
So you can be on the lookout for
that.

1099
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,500
And then I also have, I can't
announce officially the place

1100
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:29,700
where I'm doing this yet, but
I'll be doing a live version of

1101
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:32,900
what I do on Instagram and Tick
Tock in New York in September,

1102
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:34,700
so I have that coming up.
Up as well.

1103
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:36,600
Well, that's exciting.
All right, Brett, where can

1104
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,000
people find you?
I am on Tick-Tock at Brett bowls

1105
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,500
and then Instagram at the bread.
Bowls.

1106
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:46,500
Those are my two things.
Then YouTube also at bread

1107
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:47,700
bowls.
I'm also on YouTube.

1108
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,600
Well, Brett, we wish you the
very best as the school year.

1109
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,100
Winds down and in all of your
future endeavors.

1110
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:54,800
I'm already excited for
September.

1111
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,600
I don't even know what it's
about yet, but I've got it

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marked on my calendar.
Now, September September is

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Brett Bulls month.
Shut up.

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All right.
Brett, thank you so much for

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joining us today.
My pleasure.

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Thanks for having me.
It's been a blessed.

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01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,700
Alright so that was Brett Bulls
a fantastic interview guests

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01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,000
Brad.
I wouldn't guy super impressed

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01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,100
with how chill he was as we
interviewed him.

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,400
Because if you've seen his reels
or his tick-tocks like he's a

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01:01:24,408 --> 01:01:28,600
very high-energy music teacher
but we were interviewed him at

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,400
8:00 p.m. and like most teachers
Not only was his energy like

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gone for the day but I've
realized that most of the

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01:01:35,908 --> 01:01:38,900
teachers in my life are
introverts, I have no idea.

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01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:42,400
Brett's an introvert.
But like it was so cool to just

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,900
see him be like, yeah, man.
Like whatever you guys want to

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01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:46,100
do?
Like, we'll do that.

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01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:49,300
Yeah, that's really, really
cool.

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01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,300
I can't wait to have him back on
the show again.

1130
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,600
Yeah, really.
An incredible guest and and

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01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,400
somebody that I feel like he
would just be a lot of fun to

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01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,200
just chill with like, yeah.
And there's there's not a lot of

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01:02:03,207 --> 01:02:05,600
people that you get to do that
with.

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01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,900
So Brett, thank you for coming
on the show.

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01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,300
Man is great to have you.
All right, we will be back on

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Tuesday with another regularly
scheduled episode but until then

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
we'll see you next time.