Iron Man (2008) / Ancient Ancient Age 10 Star Bourbon

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In 2008, director Jon Favreau
and star Robert Downey Junior

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changed the course of cinematic
history with a fresh take on a

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malign genre.
In 2025, we try a whiskey that

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really tests the theory that
Tony always has the good stuff.

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The film is Iron Man.
The whiskey is ancient, ancient

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age.
And we'll review them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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Brad, I got to be honest with
you, man, I like, I haven't seen

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you in a while.
It's it's been a minute.

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It's been about two weeks since
we've recorded an episode.

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And you know, sometimes life
gets in the way of you and I

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talking to each other.
And the podcast is a great

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mechanism for us just to touch
base.

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So I'm very glad we're doing
this episode today because I

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miss you.
I miss you man.

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What I hear you saying is you
really don't have anything to

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say about the podcast and you're
hoping we can just map about our

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lives for about 20 minutes.
Let's just do a debrief on all

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the stressors in our lives.
Yeah, my wife is 32 weeks

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pregnant, so.
She sure is man.

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That is.
How's everything going dude?

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Really good.
Yeah, we're, we're excited to

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have baby #3 but pregnancy turns
out very difficult.

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Who knew?
You don't say.

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I feel like every time it's like
those last 10 weeks are just

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like, Oh my gosh, dude, I get
yeah, she's a champ.

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She's incredible.
Yeah, man, that's awesome, dude.

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I'm glad to hear everybody's
doing OK.

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Let's talk about Iron Man, a
movie that I.

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Want to say you couldn't?
You couldn't even wait for me to

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finish that sentence, you just
had to sneak one in there.

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Man.
I want to say that I have

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revisited it like at least once
since we watched it back in 2019

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cause Carrie and I during the
pandemic went through all the

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MCU movies so I know for a fact
I've seen it at least once.

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I was like absolutely sure that
you and I had already done this

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episode.
Like, I remember us talking

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about Iron Man again.
Yeah.

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I don't know if that was just
imagined or what, but I guess

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it's been, like, more on the
front of my brain than I

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anticipated.
I was excited to revisit it this

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time.
Brad, before we dive into, you

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know, all of our Brad explains
type of stuff, general thoughts

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on where things have gone in the
Marvel of it all from the last

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time we talked about this movie
to now.

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Because I felt like we were
really riding high in early

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2019.
Sure.

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And my opinion of Marvel could
not be any more different today.

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I mean, how can you judge Iron
Man based on everything that's

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happened since?
I, I think one of the

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fascinating things for me coming
back to this was realizing that

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this was not a Disney property,
that Marvel had formed their own

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entertainment division, had
basically like gambled almost

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all the rights to their IP away
in order to make a cinematic

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universe.
And so, you know, they, they

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financed the entire thing
themselves.

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They're not, you know, they're a
comic book company.

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They weren't a huge deal back
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It's fascinating to me that this
was not a Disney property.

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And I, I think you can see some
elements of that in the

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filmmaking.
I will say, to actually answer

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your question, Bob, I haven't.
I've barely paid attention to

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the MCU since The Winter Soldier
so OK cool.

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And it definitely has.
We watched.

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We watched End Game for the
podcast.

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So I'm zooming, you skipped from
Winter Soldier to End Game at

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least, right?
Well, I probably said this on

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our end game episode.
I, I watched The Winter Soldier

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and walked out of the theater
and was like, wow, that was that

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was really good.
That was one of the better MCU

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movies.
And then the next one came out

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and I had zero interest, just
did not want to see it at all.

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And around the time End Game was
coming out, my buddy Steven,

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who's really into Marvel, got me
to watch maybe like 4 of them,

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like, you know, Civil War, Black
Panther, a few of the other

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Infinity War, a few of the big
ones.

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So you know, I would say that I
am caught up well enough on the

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original 10 years.
Anything since then I could give

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a freaking RIP.
Dude.

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I do not care at all.
Now, I will say, like, I, as

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much as I am like morally
opposed to what Marvel has done

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and my motivation to go see
these movies is like in the

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negatives now, I'm still not
opposed to like watching a

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superhero movie.
And there have been a couple

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times where I've just like
tagged along with folks and then

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been pleasantly surprised by a
movie I probably otherwise would

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not have gone to see.
But you know, it does make me

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remember a simpler time when we
were just able to watch what

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seemed like a one off superhero
film and get excited about the

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possibility of maybe they'll
make a sequel to this 'cause

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this one worked pretty well and
not this sort of like

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obligatory.
Whether or not this works, we

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are making 8 sequels to it and
you have to see them all or you

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will be lost a year from now
when the next Avengers movie

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comes out.
Yeah, man, I when I was watching

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this, you know what movie I was
reminded of most deeply this

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time around?
The second Spider Man was Sam

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Raimi, which you and I have
agreed is like in the pantheon

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of like.
It's the one of the pinnacles.

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Yeah, for sure one.
Of the pinnacles of superhero

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movies, I think that this movie
reminds me of it where there's

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money behind it, right?
It's not quite the first Sam

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Raimi Spider Man, which you can
tell is a little bit of a

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shoestring budget that they
maximize and make a great film.

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To me, Iron Man feels like you
got a little money here.

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You've got an up and coming
director and Jon Favreau, you've

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got Robert Downey Junior
basically playing on the final

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year of his contract, like
playing for his next contract.

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There's a lot going on here that
make this.

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A.
Really well regarded film.

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And, and I'll go back to what I
said earlier.

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The, it feels like they were
playing with house money.

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They're, they're not messing
around with all the Disney

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corporate stuff.
There's no, here's the type of

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humor you have to have and
here's the color scale you're

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allowed to use and all that.
Like this movie is bright and

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bombastic and funny.
And I, it's, I don't know, I, I,

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I think I'm kind of stuck on the
fact that this and The

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Incredible Hulk were made before
Disney bought the, the entire

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superhero industry, it seems
like.

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Yeah.
So I mean, if you take a dive

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down the Wikipedia rabbit hole,
which I had 1/2 hour to do

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today, the official story of the
MCU, right?

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So I don't know if this is how
it happened in reality, but this

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is how they've presented it is
that the MCU was concocted

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behind the scenes by Kevin
Feige, who was at that time like

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the vice president of Marvel
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And Marvel Studios launched on
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Because they basically decided
like, hey, we want to have a

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production studio and we want to
be able to have control over the

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characters that we haven't
licensed out yet, which included

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X-Men, Blade and Spider Man that
were all licensed to other

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studios.
They realized, hey, we actually

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still own all the rights to the
entire Avengers crew.

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Why don't we start making our
own movies and just finding

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distribution partners?
And so Marvel Studios gets set

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up as the first big independent
production studio since

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DreamWorks in the 1990s.
And yeah, this movie, when it I

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clicked play on Disney Plus and
the first thing I see is a

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Paramount logo.
That was, it was very weird.

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I totally forgot about that.
But yeah, you're right.

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Disney had not gotten in bed
with Marvel Studios yet.

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But the official party line on
this was like they had the MCU

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in mind in terms of like, we
want to give these characters A1

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off movie leading to a crossover
Avengers film.

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I don't know how true that is.
Maybe it's completely true.

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But I do think that it's still
undersells how much rested upon

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this one movie.
Because if this movie was a

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flop, obviously they're not
going to go forward with it

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after this.
And so I don't think you can

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overstate how important this
first Iron Man movie was to what

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they were planning behind the
scenes.

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Now for you and I like the end
user, the consumer of this

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movie, it felt very much just
like a one off superhero movie,

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which is what we've been getting
to that point.

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Like, yes, there had been Spider
Man sequels.

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Yes, there had been X-Men
sequels and Blade sequels.

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But every time a new superhero
movie came out in the early

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2000s, it was like, now let's
try this.

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Let's see if this one works.
Here's Daredevil, here's

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Electra.
These both suck.

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You know, Like, here's some
Fantastic Four.

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It kind of sucks.
That's just how it went at the

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superhero Multiplex.
And that's and that's why I said

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at the start, this is kind of a
malign genre up until this

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point, right?
Like, yes, everybody loved

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Batman in 89.
It's a terrible movie, Bob, and

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all of the sequels after it
somehow were worse.

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And beyond that, you.
That's spicy.

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That's a spicy take, Brad.
It has its defenders and and I

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think Batman Returns is better,
but please go ahead.

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I won't.
I won't.

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I won't undermine your point,
please.

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There's just there's very few
examples of lots of superhero

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movies doing well.
Like the first X-Men.

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Pretty good decent X2, pretty
decent X3.

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It just falls apart.
Spider Man 1 and two really good

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Spider Man 3.
Garbage.

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Electra dared.
Like all of these movies are not

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doing the superhero genre any
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And if we're being honest, like
Batman Begins, is it a superhero

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movie?
Kind of does that the vibe of a

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superhero movie?
No, like it's a Christopher

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Nolan movie.
So at the end of the day, I so

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much is riding on this film and
Robert Downey Junior and Jon

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Favreau walk in and just hit a
Grand Slam 'cause I can tell you

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out of all the movies we've
reviewed on this podcast, we

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haven't done a ton that were
like new releases in the mid to

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late 2000s that were like hyper
popular things that I saw,

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right?
Really like Casino Royale, this

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I can't think of many others.
And I remember walking out of

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the theater from Iron Man being
like that was one of the coolest

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movies I've ever seen.
I loved this when I was 17.

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I think when it came out a.
100%, dude.

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And we will for sure get into
all of the this versus The Dark

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Knight and the cultural impact
of both and how they're

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inextricably tied together, but
also taken very different paths,

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I think in the last few years.
Before we get into all that,

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Brad, I think it is time for our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's gonna give us the movie

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plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and do your take with
this little segment that we call

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, at least for the
second time.

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Brad, how many times have you
seen Iron Man 2008?

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Iron Man's probably on higher on
my list 'cause I saw it when it

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came out, I probably watched it
at least once or twice between

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then and the podcast, and now
I've watched it twice for the

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podcast, so probably 4 to 6
times I would guess.

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And you know what, Like I'm not
tipping final scores here

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because I think that this is
like a very well done example of

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a very specific type of
superhero movie.

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Sure, right.
Like what a superhero movie has

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to be today in terms of like
holding up the structure of the

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MCU is very different than what
was expected of a superhero

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movie 18 years ago or whatever.
It's been right.

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And I think that this is like a
pleasant, well made movie that

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is perfect for viewing like 4 to
6 times.

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Like, yeah, I don't know that I
would choose to watch this movie

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like 7 or 8 times or however
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it's just like, sure, like this
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showdown and then I'll watch
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It's like a perfect movie for
that dude.

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Bob, you just described
something that never happens

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anymore.
People don't just watch TV

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randomly and see a movie on they
stream.

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They especially don't watch
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Definitely don't watch baseball.
You know what made me, what made

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me say that, though, is I just
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the Guardians game started a
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So I was like, baseball's on.
Yeah, why not?

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Let's wrap this up.
I got to watch baseball.

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Yeah, our six game losing
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Oh my gosh, dude.
All right, so Brad, you have one

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minute on the clock to break
down the plot of I.

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Forgot we were still.
Doing, Brad explains.

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Come on man, one minute and go.
Iron Man is a film that follows

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the exploits of the one and only
Tony Stark, who is a super

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genius Playboy billionaire
inventor who is captured by a

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militant group in the Middle
East.

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They use his skills to try to
recreate a weapon system for

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them, but rather he creates the
Iron Man suit, escapes from The

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Cave he was being hidden in, and
is saved by the US military.

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He returns to the US.
He tries to change his ways to

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make his company do a better job
in the world, tries to track

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down shipments of weapons that
are going to the wrong people,

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and in that process he discovers
his closest friend and mentor,

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Obadiah Stein.
Which is a great freaking name.

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Stan Lee knew how to name his
villains Man Obadiah has

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betrayed him and is trying to
sell weapons to ne'er do wells

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behind his back and it leads to
a climactic confrontation in

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which we.
Get the best Jeff Bridges that

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has ever graced a cinema near
you.

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All right, I got a a couple a
couple quick hitters here.

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I'm pretty sure the last name is
Obadiah Staine STANE.

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However, I I thought about Ben
Stein playing Obadiah and I, I

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would like to see that that's.
Perfect.

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Tony.
Tony, I don't think he's here

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today, Mr. Stain.
So I'm going to be honest with

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you dude, I did not grow up
reading comic books and I

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thought that I could probably
guess what the origin of Iron

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Man was.
Not like not just in the

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writing, but like what his
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And when you're dealing with
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2000s to the mid to late 2000s,
like they, they always are

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fiddling with the actual comic
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it.
Which I'm totally OK with.

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I don't need my movie to follow
comic book lore 'cause I don't

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care, right?
What I come to find out, though,

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is this is actually an extremely
faithful kind of broad strokes

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representation of the Tony Stark
story.

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So he's developed in the later
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Stan Lee has honestly been
accused of being very pro war

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with the way that they like
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which was deeply unpopular at
the time because people were

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really against the Vietnam War.
But it's the same broad strokes.

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Tony Stark, weapons manufacturer
goes to do a demonstration in I

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believe Vietnam or you know,
some analog to Vietnam, gets

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captured, escapes, becomes Iron
Man Brad, I'm going to be honest

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with you, dude.
Like, I obviously know how this

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movie goes.
I know that there's this big

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like Afghanistan terrorist cell
escape that is the framing

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device of the film.
And it's funny because I feel

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like when we reviewed this in
2019, like that still didn't

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seem very dated.
Like the idea of having a like a

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guy get captured by terrorists
and have to escape still felt

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kind of like, yes, this is
timely.

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And it's it's weird now, man.
I don't know if it's just

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because of all the stuff that's
happened since then and COVID

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and everything else, but I'm
like, wow, this really feels

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like that kind of post 911 few
years we got where like anything

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that was based around like
espionage or the military, it

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was all Middle East centric and
they were always fighting

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terrorists and it made this
movie feel like extremely of a

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time and that we're not really
in that time anymore.

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I don't know how else to say
that.

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Yeah, I think it definitely my
brain moved towards I don't

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think they'd be allowed to make
them the bad guys anymore.

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And like part of that is just
like Hollywood politics and how

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how they view the world.
For me, it definitely did in the

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same way that it did for you.
I was like, yeah, this feels

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like it's of a time period.
And I, I recently watched

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American Sniper again.
And so like my brain was kind of

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already in that 2008 like
military, Iraq, Afghanistan

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mindset.
So it, it didn't like throw me

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off, but it was something that
entered my mind where I'm like,

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yeah, I don't, I don't know if
they would do that anymore.

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I, I I don't.
Know what they would do, But at

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the time now we've come full
circle, like it's not the 80s

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anymore, but we've come all the
way back around to like, let's

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just make the Russians the bad
guys again.

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Like, feel like that's what it
would be today, right?

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I feel like that.
I feel like Russia's activities

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in the last few years have
helped make them the bad guys in

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pop.
Culture.

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Yeah, no argument here.
It's just like, it's just funny

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because I think we could just
return to like having Ivan Drago

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be the bad guy, which they
basically did in Iron Man 2 with

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the Mickey Rourke character.
So there you go.

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Exactly dude I this is a
complete aside.

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I saw an interview that was from
like the Russian minister of

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information or something did
with like MSNBC, and they were

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talking about like, you know,
will Putin meet with Zelensky

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and stuff.
And like every time the the

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Russian minister of information
said anything, I was just like,

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I'm sorry, man.
It is too ingrained in the

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American consciousness not to
hear that accent, that thick,

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deep accent, and be like he's
the bad guy.

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Oh, man, the the, the downloads
in Russia are going off a Cliff

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right now, Brad.
They're.

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They're so sorry guys.
That's.

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Why we that's why we didn't do
the film and vodka podcast,

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Brad, but listen.
Film and vodka.

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I will say though, so I was kind
of in a similar vein where I was

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like, Oh, this is interesting,
like how black and white they

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are painting the you know, I
mean, they're terrorists, dude.

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Like, of course they're bad
guys.

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And and when Tony Stark holds
BBQ with them at at the midway

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point of the movie, I'm like,
great, like, let's let's burn

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some terrorists.
That sounds awesome.

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But I'm thinking to myself, man,
does this end up being more like

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rah, rah pro U.S. military than
I even remembered it being?

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And I will say like.
I don't know if it's because

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they because of Hollywood
politics and they just didn't

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feel like they could do that or
because they actually did want

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to make it a little bit more
complex than that.

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They do a good job, not
necessarily of like implicating

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the US military, like they're
always talking about like we're

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the good guys, but they do a
really good job of like

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interrogating the idea of the
military industrial complex.

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And like, I, I honestly was kind
of impressed by the idea that

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these terrorists are obviously
like doing horrific barbaric

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acts on people and deserve to be
killed, right?

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But they're ultimately like they
are the Darth Vader to Jeff

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Bridges Emperor, right?
Like there's somebody pulling

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strings behind the scenes that
is even more powerful and even

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more insidious and sinister in a
way, because it's in his best

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interest to just continue war
profiteering.

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I found that like I, I don't
know why 'cause it's not like

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it's hidden in the movie.
Like that's the plot of the

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film.
I had just forgotten that They

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did try to kind of layer some of
those things in.

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And it kind of gets back to that
Dark Knight conversation we had

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about like how they were folding
in Patriot Act surveillance

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stuff into this late era Bush
movie.

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And I, I don't know, man, I
think that what I came away with

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was that Iron Man actually dealt
with some more kind of knotty

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issues than I remembered it
dealing with.

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Yeah, the the fact that you
follow the arc of this character

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in Tony Stark of billionaire,
Playboy, like philanthropist,

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engineer, like this incredible
guy who's very immature, and the

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entire arc of his maturity is
around realizing that he's not

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actually in control of the world
around him.

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He's not actually in control.
Yeah, his arc is like, what if

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we didn't shoot bombs at people?
Yeah, it's a great arc, man.

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Yeah.
Well, and he says, like there's

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certain points of the film where
he says until we figure out

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where these are being shipped,
we're going to stop.

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And it's it's this implication
that we're still going to

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support good around the world
through the use of force, but

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we're not going to.
We're going to figure this out.

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And I like that.
Like really it's kind of an idea

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of like corporate CEO
accountability of like the

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importance that business leaders
know what's going on within

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their industrial machine and
take care of business.

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If not great stuff is going on.
Well, that's that's that's a

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pretty good message.
Yeah.

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And, and, and Tony Stark is both
the CEO and the Luigi Mangione

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who gets to kill Jeff Bridges at
the end of the movie.

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So it's great because he gets to
play both roles, right?

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It's a real yin Yang we have
going on.

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Oh man.
Let's to be fair.

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Go ahead, go ahead.
Pepper Potts kills Obadiah.

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She's insane.
She.

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Does she was just following
orders though, you know?

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Yeah.
Are you insinuating that Luigi

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Mangione was just following
orders, Bob?

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Who knows how deep this rabbit
hole goes, Brad.

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All right, so I think I'm
pulling up my phone here 'cause

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I, I took a screenshot from the
Wikipedia.

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Quite famously.
Obviously, Robert Downey Junior

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was trying to restore his image
in Hollywood after like,

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severely crashing out with his
really, really bad addiction

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story.
He'd gone to rehab and now had

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been working in smaller films, I
guess the most famous of which

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would have been Shane Black's
movie Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

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He was in Good Night and Good
Luck in 2005 and was trying to

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re establish himself.
Really wanted to convince Jon

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Favreau that he could take this
part.

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But before they landed on him,
they were considering, you know,

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people of lesser stature kind of
up and comers in Hollywood or

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people kind of on that B tier.
And Favreau had been quoted

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saying like Iron Man is the star
of this movie.

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Like, you don't need a big star
in this part.

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So some of the people that they
considered Brad were Jim

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Caviezel, which I think would
have been terrible.

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Like he his his stock in trade
as like I played Jesus, I, I

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play humble, I play quiet.
I don't play Tony Stark.

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Like Jim Caviezel would have
been real bad.

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Timothy Olyphant, who I actually
think would have been fantastic

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in this role, Sam Rockwell and
Clive Owen.

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Sam Rockwell obviously does get
a part in Iron Man 2.

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He had been the one that had
moved farthest down the the Pike

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with this before they got Robert
Downey Junior.

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I say all that because Robert
Downey Junior has now been in

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148 movies as Tony Stark.
And I think sometimes we forget

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that just nailing the casting
here kind of opened up the

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entire MCU.
He is very, very great as Iron

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Man, but there's almost like
there's almost so much to talk

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about there that I really don't
know what to say anymore.

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It's kind of like Johnny Depp
with Jack Sparrow.

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Like it was great and it was
inspired casting.

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And by the 8th time I saw him in
that role, it was like, OK, like

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I, I, you know what I mean?
Like RDJ is great in this movie.

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And I kind of want to talk about
him now so that we can get to

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people I'm actually more
interested in in talking about

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in the movie, you know what I
mean?

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Yeah, I think, I think RDJ sets
himself up for the success that

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he gets.
I did find myself throughout the

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film, you can't watch this movie
clean anymore.

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Like when Jensen, his friend in
The Cave, says to him his final

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words.
Like, don't waste your life.

447
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Like like make something of
yourself.

448
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,880
Oh yeah, I had a moment, 'cause
I was like, oh, he doesn't.

449
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960
He doesn't waste his life.
Right.

450
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,960
And like, you can't help but
think about the end of End Game

451
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,880
and yeah, the it's this
beautiful moment that prevents

452
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
you from being able to just be
present in the film, but it also

453
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,160
connects it to these 10 plus
years of his character and the

454
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,320
entirety of the arc.
And so I I think that's a

455
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,880
beautiful and sad thing to not
be able to go back and just

456
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,040
appreciate it for what it is.
But there was many movement

457
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,440
moments throughout the movie
that I found myself going like,

458
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,320
that's gonna pay off later.
And I don't know, did you, did

459
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,680
you find that like taking away
from the film for you?

460
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,880
No, I did find it enhancing the
film, but you you're right in

461
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,320
that you have to add like
another layer of I'm not going

462
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880
to let myself think about that.
I want to see what they're doing

463
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
with the character in this
self-contained movie.

464
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,960
And it is kind of cool that he's
still on the path to figuring

465
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,560
his stuff out at the end of this
movie.

466
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,320
Like he's he's still he's always
going to be Tony Stark.

467
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,200
His personality is his
personality.

468
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,720
He's always going to be selfish.
He's always going to be cocky,

469
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,640
but it's in his conscious
choices to not be selfish that

470
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600
you find character growth.
And I think, you know, you get

471
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,040
the first steps towards that in
this movie, which is fulfilling

472
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,800
enough in itself.
Now, Brad, if we can, if we can

473
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,120
move away from RDJ to talk about
the other folks in this movie.

474
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:56,520
Because when you use the words
much maligned, I feel like we we

475
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,840
have given Jeff Bridges a very
particular kind of reputation

476
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,600
with this movie, which is, I
think very unearned because the

477
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
vocal effects that they put on
his voice at the end of the

478
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280
movie are not his fault.
Yeah.

479
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,240
And and let's get it out of the
way now they turn him into the

480
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,200
kool-aid man at the end of this
film.

481
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,400
Yeah.
That's, I mean, that's

482
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,960
essentially what they're doing
here, right?

483
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,720
Yeah.
He he literally like just like

484
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,680
bursts through walls and is like
these bright eyes and Oh yeah,

485
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Tony Dude, I love Jeff Bridges
in this.

486
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,680
I think he's an incredible
villain at like.

487
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Listen, even the Jeff Bridges
it.

488
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Go ahead.
Go ahead.

489
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Even the Kool-aid man of it all,
I think makes for a good

490
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,800
villain.
Like he is a caricature and it

491
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,680
it stands out.
It makes for a great villain at

492
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,600
the end of the film.
And when he when he looks at him

493
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,840
and goes now die, you piss Ant.
I'm just, I'm in, man.

494
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Yeah, I'm on your side now.
All right, so here's the hottest

495
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
take I will give on this
episode.

496
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Brad.
Jeff, Jeff Bridges is one of our

497
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200
great actors.
I mean, he wins an Oscar, I

498
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360
think two years after this movie
is released, which is well

499
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,280
deserved.
You know, he had been doing

500
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,520
great work for decades.
And he comes from for a movie

501
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,320
called Crazy Heart.
Good movie, good performance.

502
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,960
Not my favorite Jeff Bridges,
but is more of a career win.

503
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720
You know, Jeff Bridges comes
from his dad was an actor, His

504
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000
brother is an actor.
He's really great in so many

505
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,160
things, and I think that Marvel
almost blew it because they put

506
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,520
him in the very first movie and
then he dies.

507
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Because what I came away with
this time around was that Jeff

508
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Bridges acts circles around
everybody else in this movie

509
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,320
like.
Yeah.

510
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,200
There's a scene right after Tony
comes home from Afghanistan and

511
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,680
blows it at the the press
conference, then goes and hides

512
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,800
by the arc reactor, and Jeff
Bridges comes to find him.

513
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,640
Now, at this point in the movie,
you don't know that Jeff Bridges

514
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040
is the bad guy or you're not
supposed to right now.

515
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,440
You do think that he has the
best interests of the business

516
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,880
in mind and that he's also very
concerned about, like, what's

517
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,560
going on with Tony's mental
health.

518
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,360
And the way you see him kind of
poking and prodding and trying

519
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,520
to figure out, like, is this guy
mentally unstable?

520
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,520
Is he putting my business in
jeopardy?

521
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160
What's he actually getting at?
And then when you come to find

522
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560
later in the movie, you know, he
has ulterior motives to watch

523
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520
all those things go across.
Jeff Bridges face in that scene,

524
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,200
it's like an interrogation
that's being presented in the

525
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,880
friendliest terms possible.
And I was like blown away at how

526
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,000
he could juggle all those
different things, especially

527
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,760
when I come to find out, like if
you read the Wikipedia, the

528
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,720
script for this movie was like
not done when they were filming

529
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,400
this movie.
And they just encouraged the

530
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800
actors to improvise a lot.
So how much of that was

531
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,840
improvised, I don't know.
But RDJII think is perfect for

532
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,600
the character of Tony Stark.
But he's also very stuck in the

533
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Tony Stark like category.
Like he has to behave certain

534
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,480
ways at all times, and Bridges
is kind of able to.

535
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
When he wants to go big and
choose scenery, he can do that.

536
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,880
When he wants to play a little
more like cards to the chest, he

537
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,920
can do that too.
I was really, really blown away

538
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160
with him this time around, man.
Yeah, I think the scene that you

539
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,840
referred to when he they first
really talk after start comes

540
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,400
back from captivity, the playful
back and forth where Jeff is

541
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,800
like poking and prodding.
But both of them know he's

542
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,520
really there to ask about the
the miniaturized arc reactor.

543
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,840
But they still play the game for
like 45 seconds before he

544
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,240
finally, like, gives a tiny
little crack in his facade and

545
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
goes, all right, Tony, show me
what you got going on in there.

546
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,440
And it's the way he sees it and
immediately reaches forward and

547
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
starts buttoning up the shirt
and just goes, hey, Tony, we're

548
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,840
going to keep this quiet for
now.

549
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,640
How about we just lay low and
you can tell that he got what he

550
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,640
wanted and is like moving on.
And he smooths off his shirt.

551
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,520
The the interplay between them
as actors, the chemistry is off

552
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,240
the charts.
I think RDJ does a masterful job

553
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,640
in that scene as well.
Dude, Jeff, I am with you.

554
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Jeff Bridges.
This time around was just.

555
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,880
So free of the movie for me man.
When he walks in on Pepper Potts

556
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520
trying to steal stuff from the
laptop.

557
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,160
His little monologue as he's
walking around her.

558
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Oh dude, it's so freaking good
man.

559
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,200
I often forget how good Gwyneth.
Paltrow is too, not just in this

560
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,440
movie, but just as an actress.
So she becomes, Yeah.

561
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,160
Again, comes from Hollywood
royalty in some ways.

562
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,320
And she becomes famous making
these kind of smaller movies for

563
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Miramax in the mid 90s, I
believe she gets nominated for

564
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360
an Oscar.
Her big breakout is in the movie

565
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Emma.
And then she does Shakespeare in

566
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Love.
When I was a kid, I didn't

567
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,040
realize that Gwyneth Paltrow
wasn't British for a long time

568
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,480
because I just remember seeing
her in movies where she plays a

569
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,640
Brit.
Yeah.

570
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,200
And so then you get to a movie
like this, and it feels like, is

571
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,440
she trying a career, like
revamp?

572
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Is she slumming it in this comic
book movie?

573
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,000
And it really allows her to be a
little bit looser, to not have

574
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,080
this kind of like, buttoned up
persona in her movies.

575
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280
And they don't give her a ton to
do in this movie.

576
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,200
But especially that very last
little scene where Tony's

577
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360
getting ready to go out and do
the final press conference.

578
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,160
And he's asking her, you know,
do you remember that night?

579
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,320
And they do this great thing
where they have her, like,

580
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,280
buttoning her shirt, and she
just looks up at him, and it's

581
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400
like, oh, the chemistry's off
the charts.

582
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520
She's playing this moment
perfectly.

583
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,960
I I think that what makes this
movie click is that it's like

584
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,960
the worst parts of it are like a
7 1/2 and they just nail the

585
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,239
casting in some really key areas
and it just elevates the movie

586
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,760
so much more from there.
Yeah.

587
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,400
And especially given what you
said earlier, there's no script

588
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,360
like like yes, there was a
script.

589
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,000
There was broad brush stroke
ideas of where they were going

590
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,360
and probably some dialogue they
really liked.

591
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,520
But so much of this movie was
improvised that you have to have

592
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,360
that chemistry.
And I think the chemistry

593
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,320
between all pretty much all the
major players, like between Jeff

594
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Bridges, Gwyneth Paltrow and RDJ
is really good.

595
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,040
I think that I don't know what
the actor's name is, but the

596
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,760
gentleman who plays Agent
Coulson.

597
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,639
Like.
His and Pepper Potts chemistry

598
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,280
is perfect, like they just nail
it together.

599
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,640
That moment where he puts the
explosive on the door and she's

600
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640
like, oh, what's that?
Is it like an electronic hacking

601
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,440
device?
And it just goes, you might want

602
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,360
to step back a little bit.
It's just, there's so much

603
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,960
perfect little bits of comedy to
things like that.

604
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,560
I I still don't think I'm like,
what kind of world do we live in

605
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,400
that at least does Hollywood
live in that?

606
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,840
They're like, hey, we had, we're
staking our whole reputation as

607
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,880
a not just a studio, but as this
like comic book entity called

608
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Marvel.
Yeah, we're staking it on this

609
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800
movie.
And we didn't finish the script.

610
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Yeah.
Like who greenlit this going

611
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,400
like, yeah, you know what?
We don't have a full script.

612
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Let's just go do it anyways.
Like how many of us work in a

613
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,600
job that you could just be like,
we'll just make it up as we go?

614
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,840
I wonder how much they were
inspired by the story of Tony

615
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Stark, who, as Jeff Bridges
reminds us, was able to build

616
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,200
this in a cave with spare.
Parts.

617
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,240
So good, dude.
What a great line.

618
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,480
What's?
So good.

619
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Man, it's so good.
This is a good point for us to

620
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,880
hit pause.
I think we should drink some

621
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,960
whiskey, a whiskey that we have
not tried in a very, very long

622
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,280
time.
What do you say if we get into

623
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,600
this ancient, ancient age?
Let's get to it, man.

624
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,040
All right, so today we are
checking out ancient ancient age

625
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,520
10 star which is just.
Not nine stars.

626
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
It sounds like, listen, it
sounds like the kind of whiskey

627
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,440
where like if you took the name
of a real whiskey and then ran

628
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,720
it through Google Translate to
Chinese and then back to

629
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,200
English.
Yes.

630
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,400
Ancient.
Ancient Age 10 Star.

631
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Yes, ancient.
Ancient age 10 star.

632
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,760
My friend did that.
He had a oh, what was it?

633
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:02,840
It was a a copy of Star Wars
where they it was like had been

634
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,280
translated fully.
The subtitles had been

635
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,920
translated into Chinese and then
back into English.

636
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,400
And they kept referring to the
Galaxy as the silver spoon in

637
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,600
the sky.
And it like, it's just

638
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,600
incredible, man.
That's awesome dude.

639
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080
But so I, you know, in
researching ancient ancient age,

640
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,920
a whiskey we have not had since
I believe 2019, I learned quite

641
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,680
a bit, Brad, that I did not know
important context, I think.

642
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,760
And I'm going to be reading
directly off of a website here.

643
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,000
So I this is unverified except
that I quickly googled is this

644
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,840
true?
And Google said yes, but like

645
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
who knows?
This is from a website called

646
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,840
When has Google?
Been wrong, Bob.

647
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Yeah, when has AI overviews ever
been wrong?

648
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Brad?
This is from a website

649
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,920
calledthewhiskeycloset.net.
So again, if I'm wrong here,

650
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,040
it's not my fault, but this
sounds correct to me.

651
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,040
It's their fault.
So this is what they say.

652
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,280
For the uninitiated, it might
seem like Buffalo Trace makes,

653
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,200
owns, and has the rights to
everything distilled at their

654
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,280
facility.
But you might be surprised to

655
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,000
find out that isn't the case,
because back in 1983, a company

656
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,920
called Age International
purchased what was then known as

657
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,720
the George T Stagg Distillery,
which is now called Buffalo

658
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,280
Trace, under the watch of then
master distiller Elmer T Lee.

659
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Ancient Age Distillery and Lee
created Blantons, right?

660
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,520
So a few years after they make
Blantons, everything that was

661
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,080
using that Mash bill, which is
now called Mash bill #2 from

662
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,360
Buffalo Trace was sold off to a
Japanese company called Takara

663
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,840
Holdings, who then immediately
turned around and sold the

664
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,120
distillery back to Sazerac, but
retained the rights to all of

665
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
these brands.
So they own the the rights to

666
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Blanton's Elmer T Lee, Ancient
Age, Rock Hill Farms, and

667
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,760
Hancock's Reserve.
Now, these are all actually

668
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,320
distilled at Buffalo Trace, but
they're technically made by an

669
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
entity called Ancient Age
Distillery.

670
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,240
So Buffalo Trace has the sales
and distribution rights, but

671
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,040
they don't actually own those
brands.

672
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,400
I never knew this.
This is very interesting to me.

673
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Bob, if that doesn't just
illustrate the BS of marketing

674
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,960
and all the backroom stuff that
goes on in the liquor industry,

675
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
I like, I don't know what will
convince you that what you're

676
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,040
drinking is BS and.
Yeah, keep going, keep going.

677
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,200
So anyway, I just thought it was
interesting under under all

678
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,960
those, you know, banners, the
Elmer T Lees of the world, the

679
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Blantons is ancient age.
Now ancient age is again used,

680
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,600
made using the same mash bill,
but it is like the lower tier

681
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,880
version of that.
And you have an 80 and 90 proof

682
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,920
ancient age.
And then you have what's called

683
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,600
ancient Ancient age, which was
at one time the 10 year version

684
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,400
of that.
They have since lowered that age

685
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,320
statement to a non age stated,
which is why the name went from

686
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,480
10 year to 10 star instead of
just taking off the 10.

687
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,840
They're like, we're going to
make this part of the name Now.

688
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,320
Apparently at one point it was
like 6 years non age stated.

689
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,520
Now they're saying it could be
as young as three years old.

690
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Brad, all that to say, I don't
have super high hopes for this,

691
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,800
but there are people out there
that swear by this.

692
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,440
And that's like the value
alternative to a Blanton's

693
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,320
because it is made from the same
MASH bill, right?

694
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,680
There's my spiel for the day.
I'll just spoil it.

695
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,760
You are unable to buy this in
the state of Ohio at a 750

696
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,240
milliliter amount.
It is only sold in the one liter

697
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,880
or 1.75 liter.
So if that gives you an

698
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,560
intention, I think I think it's
as as George Washington

699
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,000
intended.
That's what he wanted for his

700
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Americans.
All right, man, let's go ahead

701
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,120
and dive into this again.
This is the famous MASH bill #2

702
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,920
from the Buffalo Trace
Distillery, clocking in at 90.

703
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Proof no age statement on this.
Brad, what are you picking up on

704
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,240
the nose of ancient, ancient
age?

705
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:16,880
Bob, this is like Cherry.
It's kind of butterscotchy.

706
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,920
It's kind of a stringent and
young, I think I can smell like

707
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,160
star, the residue of 10 stars
twinkling within the glass.

708
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,600
This is like, OK, it's not
great.

709
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,880
It's not bad.
I I'm going to give it a 5 1/2

710
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,720
out of 10 on the nose.
There's not enough here to like

711
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,000
get me pumped and excited, but
there's some like very basic,

712
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,200
decent flavors that we have
going on.

713
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,120
I think it is important, you
know, we try not to always let

714
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,000
the price of something or the
value of something color the

715
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,320
actual tasting experience.
In a situation like this where

716
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,320
we're drinking 3 year old
whiskey that sells for $22.00

717
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,200
around thereabouts for a one
liter that's like a $16.00 and

718
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,720
50 Cent 750ML.
So like I'm drinking $16.00

719
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,200
whiskey and I think for $16.00
whiskey, the nose on this is

720
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,080
surprisingly complex.
I'm with you, man.

721
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,680
There's there's a lot of cherry,
like dark black cherry on this

722
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,440
for me.
There's some great brown sugar

723
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,600
notes.
It's got quite a bit of oak, but

724
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,120
it smells older than what's
probably the youngest component

725
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,560
of this.
I like this quite a bit.

726
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,440
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 on the nose.

727
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,600
I think for me the palate is the
highlight here.

728
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,360
It reminds me of like a cherry
yogurt.

729
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,320
It is pretty oak heavy and
there's a little bit of baking

730
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,680
spices kind of going on.
It's like a pleasant experience

731
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,760
on the palate.
I'll give it a 6 1/2 here.

732
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,760
Oh, I actually like this quite a
bit more than I thought I would.

733
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040
I will say the front of the
palate for me, there wasn't much

734
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,720
going on, like at all.
It almost had like kind of a

735
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,520
tart sour cherry taste to me.
Then it was super duper thin.

736
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,320
It wasn't until it hit my mid
palate and the back of my palate

737
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,080
that any spice level came out.
If you had told me this was 80

738
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
proof, I'd probably believe you
because I think the only kind of

739
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,240
spice notes you get aren't from
ethanol, but they're from that

740
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,440
kind of oakiness.
It men.

741
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,000
I wonder how old Brad, the
oldest whiskey in this blend is

742
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
'cause I think there's
definitely some character to

743
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,160
this that you don't typically
get.

744
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,440
You know, even on like a
Benchmark, which we just had a

745
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,560
couple weeks ago and is a
Buffalo Trace product, this

746
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,440
tastes a lot more well aged than
that.

747
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,720
And again, I'm colored by the
fact that it's 16 years or

748
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,640
$16.00 here, but I think I'm
going to give it a 7 out of 10

749
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,760
again.
I was the same man.

750
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,160
I, I hate to say it, but I think
you're, I think you're scoring

751
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,400
this higher than it deserves.
I'm just going to be honest with

752
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,440
you.
That's fair.

753
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,160
Well then balance me out dude.
It's 2 out of 10.

754
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,600
This is the eternal sunshine of
the whiskey world.

755
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,080
I think the finish is not good.
Like this is the one point where

756
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
I just go.
It dissipates quickly.

757
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,960
It's got a sickly cherry cough
syrup vibe.

758
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:13,400
The oakiness takes over.
It's not an impressive finish

759
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,080
for me.
I'm at a 5 out of 10.

760
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,120
It's not like, horrific making
me question my choice to ever

761
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,000
drink whiskey, but it's a 5 out
of 10.

762
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
I'm going to give it a 5.5 on
the finish.

763
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,040
I think the thing for me that's
actually keeping my scores a

764
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,280
little higher here, Brad, is
that there's this underlying

765
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,760
note of like simple syrup.
There's just a little touch of

766
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560
sweetness on everything here.
So even that Robitussin note on

767
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,560
the finish, it had a little bit
of syrupiness to it for me,

768
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,200
which kept it from getting like
too, too bitter and making, you

769
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,160
know what I mean?
Like making me not want to take

770
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,240
another sieve and it is just a 5
1/2 for me though.

771
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,240
And when we get to balance
because of that dip on the

772
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:55,080
finish, I think I'm going to
come down to a 6.5 on balance.

773
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,280
This is a perfectly passable
whiskey.

774
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,080
I do think if you know, I can
tell you don't like this as much

775
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,960
as me.
I don't know that this would

776
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
make a great mixer.
It's not bold enough to really

777
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,360
pop in anything.
And I think if you're going to

778
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,080
drink it, then neat is the way
to go here.

779
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,960
Yeah, I would probably agree
with you.

780
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,680
I'm at a 5.5 on balance.
I just don't think there's

781
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,040
anything here that makes it
really stand out.

782
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Now I will say $19.00 for a one
liter in the state of Ohio.

783
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120
I'm guessing that's the price
across the every one of the

784
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,000
states.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

785
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,920
value.
Like I don't think it's a bad

786
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,040
value.
You're getting an extra 250

787
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,560
milliliters.
It's $19.00.

788
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,320
If you want a cheap whiskey to
drink, why not get ancient,

789
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,320
ancient age 10 star like it's
not going to hurt.

790
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,200
There's ten stars, Brad.
There are 10 of them.

791
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,360
How could I?
How could I say to that?

792
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,360
You know what this is a 10 out
of 10 across the board.

793
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,160
It's going to get 510 stars for
me, Bob.

794
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,720
All right.
It's been a couple weeks since

795
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,240
we've had Benchmark and that
comes from a different mash

796
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,800
bill.
I, I believe at Buffalo's race.

797
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,360
I think that this is a better
whiskey than Benchmark is the

798
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,560
the regular benchmark now?
Some of those like top floor

799
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Foolproof are definitely better
than this.

800
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,680
I think I like the flavor
profile of this better than

801
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,640
regular benchmark.
Man, I, I think I would lean

802
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680
towards benchmark.
OK.

803
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,680
I, I think I mean a, it's a
little bit cheaper.

804
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,520
You're looking at like 13 bucks
and I remember the flavor

805
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,160
profile being a little more
classic like caramel, baking

806
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,400
spices, black pepper, and I
think I just enjoy that more

807
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,480
than like the cherry Robitussin
flavor.

808
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,400
I get that I am going to come
out to a 7 out of 10 on value

809
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,320
here, Brad, which brings my
final score to a 33 out of 50.

810
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Now I know that I'm going to be
higher than you, but that does

811
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,240
fall short of the 35 mark.
So like, even as a guy that

812
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,200
likes this whiskey, like it's
not a great whiskey, it's just a

813
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,360
a pretty solid cheap bourbon.
For me, yeah, I'm coming out to

814
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,680
29.5.
I would say if you're like doing

815
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,440
the the well, what do we call
it?

816
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,160
The springtime of swill?
Yeah, way back in the day.

817
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,760
Oh man, I forgot about that.
Yeah, if if you're doing a

818
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,720
springtime summer, autumn of
swill, whatever it is like go

819
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,480
check out ancient, ancient age
10 star.

820
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,920
It's not going to disappoint you
for the price that you pay.

821
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,120
It's not going to wow you for
the price that you pay either.

822
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,200
So.
No, yeah, I think that's a

823
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,880
category that's pretty much
reserved for us with Rebel Yell

824
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,640
100 now.
Like it, It just is glorious.

825
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,120
All right?
We're coming out to a 62.5 out

826
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,720
of 100 or a 31.25 out of 50,
which I think is a pretty

827
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:58,160
appropriate place for this given
that we did like it on the value

828
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,640
scale.
Brad, are you going to

829
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,200
recommend?
Only with the caveat of what I

830
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
just said, If you want cheap
whiskey, this is a great option

831
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,920
for you.
Yeah, I think you could do a lot

832
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,520
worse on the cheap whiskey side
of things than this.

833
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,440
Yes, and we believe us.
We have tried them.

834
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,520
All right, man, Let's get back
into talking about Iron Man.

835
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,400
What do you say?
Oh, let's get to it, man.

836
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,480
All right, everybody.
That was ancient, ancient age,

837
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,880
10 star.
This is the pinnacle of whiskey,

838
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Bob.
Am I right?

839
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,400
If we could ever get our hands
on a sample of ancient, ancient

840
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,480
age, 10 year, I'd really
actually like to try that.

841
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:48,120
I think that'd be really good.
Yes, I would be fascinated to

842
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,120
try that.
But in lieu of that, Brad, we're

843
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,560
going to do something else here
at the moment.

844
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,360
It's something we haven't done
in a couple weeks.

845
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,680
It's our game, which we call 2
facts and a falsehood.

846
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:05,240
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball to our right and what

847
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,440
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

848
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,080
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

849
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,080
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

850
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,920
which is a complete lie.
Now, we took last week off from

851
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,560
2 Facts and a Falsehood because
Bilga Ibiri was here and we

852
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,720
wanted to just kind of sit at
his feet and glean some wisdom

853
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,280
about the Tree of Life.
I will claim that automatic

854
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,680
victory all day every day, Brad.
Yeah, it's all yours, man.

855
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,840
I never let it be said that I'm
not a generous man.

856
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,440
Well, I I'm sure that you came
armed today, Brad, with some

857
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,240
Iron Man facts, knowing that,
you know, we hadn't done this in

858
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:50,800
a while and also that I could
not care any less about the MCU.

859
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,360
So I am kind of like ripe for
the pick in here today to get

860
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,880
myself a loss.
Brad, hit me with your two facts

861
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,720
and a falsehood.
Fact #1 Producers Avia Rod and

862
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,720
Kevin Feige, when working
through their product placement

863
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:12,120
contracts, asked Feige's kids,
Eric and Ella, for input on what

864
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,840
burger Tony should eat after his
time in captivity.

865
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,640
Fact #2 The character Obadiah
Stain plays on the piano a

866
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,720
musical piece that was actually
written by 18th century composer

867
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Antonio Salieri, who is best
known obviously as a jealous

868
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,280
rival of Wolfgang Amadeus
Mozart.

869
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,880
Fact #3 The sound used during a
target lock on in Iron Man's

870
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,440
heads up display is the same
sound as the laser cannon firing

871
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,600
in a 1978 Space Invaders arcade
game.

872
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:00,040
All right #3 I don't care about,
so I'm just going to let that

873
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,960
set aside.
We're going to say that that's

874
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:02,600
true.
I don't.

875
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,040
I don't.
Care.

876
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,400
How often has that served?
You, Bob, I don't care, man.

877
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,920
You know, Brad, when it comes to
me winning this game, 60% of the

878
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,240
time it works every time.
Every time.

879
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,760
So that's right.
It for me, it's either one or

880
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,160
two.
Now as I was watching this

881
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,600
movie, I did notice the Burger
King burgers appearing multiple

882
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,480
times throughout this film,
which made me chuckle because

883
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,840
I'm a big fan of the Steven
Spielberg movie The terminal, as

884
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,000
you know, which had some insane
Burger King product placement in

885
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
it.
And I just remember thinking to

886
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,240
myself, like, man, Burger King
was really going for the

887
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:45,160
Hollywood burger placement in
the 2000s.

888
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Yeah, dude, I don't know how
well it worked out for them, but

889
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,800
I love a Burger King burger.
I don't.

890
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Are you a fan of Burger King?
I I've kind of, I haven't eaten

891
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,720
fast food in a while.
I will say when we were in

892
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,280
college, Bob the Buck double at
Burger King.

893
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,160
I could go to Burger King, spend
$3 and get 2 double

894
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,120
cheeseburgers and a dollar fry
and I was like set if I want to

895
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,640
do that now it'd be like $9.
The thing about Burger King a

896
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,760
the charbroil flavor is just
better than everybody else, and

897
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,640
the kind of cheese that they use
in between the patties gets

898
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,480
meltier than everyone else's
cheese, and it's just freaking

899
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
love of Burger King Burger.
I would say Burger King

900
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,080
definitely is the superior
burger.

901
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,680
My buddy Steven and I actually
have like we'll go to like 2

902
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,480
fast food places and get like a
Mcflurry and a Frosty or, or

903
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,000
just a double cheeseburger of
both places or their chicken

904
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,040
sandwich and like and do like
our own little all right,

905
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040
McDonald's or Burger King on the
chicken sandwich.

906
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,920
Burger King is, I would say, the
best.

907
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Burger, I agree.
All right, So that's number one.

908
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Number two on your two facts and
a falsehood list.

909
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,920
It could be real.
It sounds a little too cute and

910
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,360
it also references one of the
like 12 movies that you've ever

911
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,760
seen.
So I I am immediately circling

912
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,240
that as as a Brad G.
Bob, we are a possible.

913
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,680
Invention.
Ten seasons in to a 32 movie per

914
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:27,120
season podcast, I've seen at
least 200 and 890 odd movies

915
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,800
since.
We're redoing Season 10.

916
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,400
Well, you've seen Amadeus twice
now, so I know that it's kind of

917
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,760
fresh on the brain, too.
In fact, Amadeus, I do kind of

918
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,240
hope that it's true, but I'm
pegging it as the falsehood

919
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,160
here.
So I'm going to say #2 is the

920
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,720
falsehood just because it sounds
like something Brad would make

921
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,800
up?
Yeah, you're wrong, Bob.

922
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,040
You're a loser, Bobby.
Bobby, you lost.

923
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,280
Now die you little piss Ant.
What a great line dude.

924
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,400
Dude.
Like we need to just tell we did

925
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,600
that to each other.
Please tell me that that's like

926
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,400
the one line that wasn't ad
libbed by Jeff Bridges.

927
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,520
That was like, no, no, we've got
to stick with this line.

928
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,000
They handed him the script and
it was 120 blank pages and then

929
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,960
just page 121 had that line on
it and that was it.

930
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,960
How does Jeff Bridges not be
able to say manufacture?

931
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,920
Did you notice that twice of the
movie he goes manufacturer?

932
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Yeah, why not listen when you
are the CEO of a weapons

933
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,960
manufacturer, you can call it
whatever you want, Brad.

934
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,600
Fun fact, he is actually playing
Antonio Salieri's music in that

935
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,960
scene.
That is really cool.

936
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,160
That's that's a nice little
Easter egg that I would never

937
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,000
have noticed.
What was a falsehood?

938
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,120
Number one was the falsehood
about his kids helping pick

939
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,280
between different competing
burger franchises.

940
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,880
Well, The funny thing was I
almost, I almost selected that

941
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,080
one because the way you phrased
it was that they sought their

942
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,240
input.
But then you never said like who

943
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,800
they suggested.
Like yeah they sought the kids

944
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:18,080
input and they all said Wendy's.
Yeah, which you and I have

945
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,280
talked about if they sought our
input.

946
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,840
No, no.
Nobody's Wendy's does not season

947
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,800
their meat, dude.
I will give them credit when

948
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,400
they like slather their meat
with cheese and bacon.

949
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,040
I can get down with a Baconator.
I'm not opposed to a Baconator.

950
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,280
The Wendy's.
Spicy chicken sandwich is like S

951
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,760
tier.
It's really good.

952
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:43,680
Wendy's.
Wendy's.

953
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,800
Burgers, Not so much.
Yeah, even even just like

954
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:51,440
whatever their basic, like $2.00
chicken sandwiches is a good

955
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,440
chicken sandwich in the realm of
fast food.

956
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,840
But the spicy chicken one,
That's good stuff, man.

957
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,000
All right, we're supposed.
To be talking about Anchorman or

958
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,760
I said Anchorman.
We're supposed to be talking

959
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,000
about Iron Man.
I don't even remember what we're

960
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:13,240
doing anymore, dude.
Oh, man.

961
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,800
All right, dude, Let's jump back
into talking about this movie.

962
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,360
There is one actor we did not
touch on, and that was Terrence

963
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Howard, who we've talked about a
few times in the history of this

964
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,600
podcast, I think most notably on
our episode about Crash.

965
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,480
I gotta be honest, dude, I have
gone to bat for Terrence Howard

966
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,960
in specific roles before.
He's not good in this role.

967
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Like he, I don't buy him for a
second as a member of the US

968
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
military.
And to be honest, I'm quite

969
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,240
like, I'm, I'm very glad that he
got replaced by Don Cheadle

970
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,400
moving forward because like, it
just does not work.

971
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,800
He's the one part of this movie
that does not work for me.

972
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,760
He's supposed to carry the sense
of gravitas and like a little

973
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,600
bit of charisma as somebody that
could hang out with Tony, and he

974
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,960
doesn't do either very well.
The only moment in the whole

975
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:04,440
film I like him is when he's
faking being drunk and, like,

976
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,560
talking to Tony intensely in his
ear while these, like, sexy

977
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,200
women are dancing in front of
him.

978
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,440
There's something about that
scene that just made me laugh

979
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,680
really hard.
And you're like, yeah, yeah, no,

980
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,680
that's, that's that felt like an
accurate Terrence Howard.

981
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,920
Based on what I know about
Terrence Howard's personal life,

982
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,920
I feel like that same
conversation would happen, but

983
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760
it'd be a weird math
conversation.

984
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,720
Yeah, it'd be about like
astrophysics or something that

985
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,520
he doesn't know much about.
Yeah, yes, 100% dude.

986
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,080
Yeah, not a not a big fan of
Terrence Howard as Roadie.

987
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,160
Don Cheadle is so much better.
So much.

988
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:47,840
Better, I want to talk a little
bit, Brad, about the fact that

989
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,640
this was made outside of the
Disney MCU and it was made

990
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,120
before the sort of churn of we
have to get one of these out

991
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,280
every like 9 months started
kicking in because the special

992
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,160
effects in this movie hold up
remarkably well.

993
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,280
Like this movie looks great
still.

994
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
And honestly, the only parts of
this movie that I found looked

995
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,160
really fake were the interior of
some of the like Afghani caves,

996
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,320
which you could tell like the
walls were not real.

997
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,520
But even then, there was like a,
there was like a tactility to

998
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,240
it.
And I'm looking at the way the

999
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,040
movie's lit.
There's tons of shadow.

1000
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,440
There's a lot of like really
harsh light at parts.

1001
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,440
It looks like a movie.
And it is completely different

1002
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,000
to that sort of washed out low
contrast.

1003
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,200
Everything is Gray.
Everything is shot in the

1004
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,160
parking lot that you get by the
time the Russo brothers take

1005
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,360
over.
And it's, it's again, because

1006
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,600
like they have to film a certain
way on a blue screen so that

1007
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,000
there aren't any real elements
that make it more difficult to

1008
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,640
make it a whole background CGI.
And if you have really harsh

1009
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,440
lighting that takes away from
it.

1010
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,280
So what are we gonna do flat
lighting all the time?

1011
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,240
It's it's much easier to
manipulate that in post.

1012
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,880
And this one is like, yes, I'm
sure that there was a ton of

1013
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,920
green screen somewhere in this
movie, right?

1014
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,560
But like, you can't really tell
because I, I really think that

1015
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,280
they went so all in, especially
in the 1st 2/3 before it just

1016
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,840
becomes two guys in suits
fighting at the end of the

1017
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,560
movie.
They went so all in with like

1018
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,560
we're going to shoot on sets.
We're going to have real sets

1019
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,600
built.
There is going to be real things

1020
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,200
blowing up when Iron Man is
firing a flamethrower.

1021
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,720
It's not necessarily going to be
CGI flame.

1022
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,920
Like there's going to be real
things on fire with smoke coming

1023
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,280
off of them.
There's just such a sense of

1024
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,560
tactility to this movie that
later MCU movies just do not

1025
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,240
have.
Yeah, that it completely departs

1026
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,880
from it, and it loses the impact
that, like the human brain and

1027
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,440
soul recognizes real when it
sees it.

1028
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,400
And you have it in spades in
this movie.

1029
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,800
And I do think it's one of the
reasons why this stands up in my

1030
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,760
mind as one of the best MCU
films is because the effects are

1031
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,000
very much so a mixture of CGI
and practical.

1032
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,280
And it is kind of that I've seen
it many times over on YouTube

1033
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,360
nowadays where people are like,
why is CGI so bad nowadays

1034
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:18,040
compared to like 2008 to 2015
where it feels like it was way

1035
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,800
better.
And, and you can look at

1036
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Avengers in 2012, obviously a
ton more CGI, still much better

1037
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,600
CGI than a lot of stuff that
comes later.

1038
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Yes, but listen, dude, like I
think the only thing from End

1039
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,280
game that's going to hold up in
10 years, and I don't even know

1040
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,880
about this, but I was going to
say Thanos.

1041
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,720
But like there is something
uncanny valley about Thanos that

1042
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,880
I feel like 10 years from now,
maybe it's going to look real

1043
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,120
weird to us.
But like, the thing about the

1044
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:52,240
way that they've done the MCU
now is 98% of the shot is CGI

1045
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
and then you just have like a
human face pasted on.

1046
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,920
And when you're like in the
movie theater and you've been

1047
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,400
watching that for 2 1/2 hours,
you don't notice it anymore.

1048
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,560
I.
Thought you're gonna say 2 and

1049
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,440
a.
Half but if I'm ever like

1050
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,440
scrolling Twitter and I see a
clip of end game kind of come up

1051
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,480
and like drift across my screen,
I'm like, that looks like

1052
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,920
there's something in me that
immediately is like that looks

1053
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,320
so weird and so off and I can't
put my finger.

1054
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,960
It's uncanny valley, right?
Like, and it just looks so

1055
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,280
shitty, dude.
Like so much of these movies are

1056
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,080
not gonna stand the test of
time.

1057
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,080
And I feel like it, like, you
know, the way we shouldn't

1058
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,240
punish Iron Man for what happens
after it.

1059
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,680
I almost feel like we shouldn't
give it too much credit because

1060
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,760
we're just praising it for being
a movie.

1061
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,040
But I think now when you look
back and see what we have versus

1062
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,600
what we had the back then, it's
like, oh man, remember when

1063
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,400
these were actual movies?
When they felt like cinematic.

1064
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,880
Yeah, and, and man, that the the
word cinematic has been thrown

1065
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,360
around for, you know, the last
10 years is like, what does it

1066
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,040
even mean anymore?
I do think that there's

1067
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:02,480
something real about the word
cinematic, that it has to be

1068
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,760
something that we as humans can
relate to on a normal level and

1069
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,760
we just can't relate to CGI.
It doesn't feel real.

1070
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,560
It doesn't feed the human soul
in the same way as seeing

1071
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,760
something that's really on fire
or exploding or whatever it is.

1072
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,720
And like, to go back to what we
talked about way earlier with

1073
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,120
like The Dark Knight, like at
the end of the day, man, he

1074
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,640
really blew up a giant hospital.
And, like, Heath Ledger really

1075
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,720
was walking away from a giant
explosion, getting in a bus,

1076
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,680
driving away as this whole
building came down.

1077
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,920
Yeah, that's freaking cool.
And it's going to stand up the

1078
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,320
test of time.
For sure.

1079
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,560
All right, man.
I think that's a good point for

1080
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,720
us to segue into our last
segment of the day, which we

1081
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,560
call.
Let's make it a double.

1082
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,280
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

1083
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,160
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1084
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,600
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1085
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,120
It's the final segment of the
dinner.

1086
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,600
Let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1087
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,760
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1088
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,680
to make the perfect double
feature?

1089
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,880
Brad, I like I'm kind of flying
by to the seat of my pants today

1090
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,800
'cause it's like we could just
do The Dark Knight.

1091
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,120
We could pick any Marvel movie.
I'm still kind of mulling over

1092
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,800
mine.
So why don't you go 1st and and

1093
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,480
give us your Let's make it a
double.

1094
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,240
Oh, man, I, I do think that
Batman Begins would be a good

1095
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,680
option.
I, I think that it's kind of the

1096
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,360
origin story superhero movie.
It's set in a similar era.

1097
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,640
I don't know, man.
You know what the the other

1098
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,440
movie that I'm thinking about,
I'm gonna pick just because I

1099
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,720
want to.
I'm gonna pick Pacific Rim

1100
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,000
'cause I, I want more people to
watch Pacific Rim and it

1101
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,680
involves human beings piloting
mechanical suits of armor.

1102
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,320
And you should go watch Pacific
Rim.

1103
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,040
It's a blast.
I was really worried you were

1104
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,680
gonna pair this with like Zero
Dark 30 just to go with the like

1105
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,440
weird terrorist theme, and so
you could sneak a leash

1106
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,400
reference into this episode as
well as you typically do you.

1107
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,760
You brought it up, Bob.
You, you, you're gonna.

1108
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,680
You're the one who's gonna get
caught, not me.

1109
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,080
You know, I think I'm gonna pair
this with a movie that we really

1110
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,920
haven't talked about and should
probably put on a later season,

1111
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:36,320
which is the Coen Brothers
20/10/2011 remake of True Grit.

1112
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,400
Because I think that that movie,
it freaking rips first of all.

1113
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200
And it's another great Jeff
Bridges performance.

1114
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,160
And I just like we've barely
ever talked about Jeff Bridges

1115
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,440
and that's one of my favorite
Coen Brothers movies.

1116
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,120
So I think you could do a lot
worse than watching this and

1117
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,240
True Grit back-to-back.
I actually saw that in theaters,

1118
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,320
Bob.
Good movie dude.

1119
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,760
Yeah, I really enjoyed it a lot.
Matt Damon, we'll.

1120
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,680
Put it on it, Matt Damon, Hailee
Steinfeld.

1121
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,840
Yeah, good.
Click Let's do it.

1122
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,920
All right, so from Brad, it's
Pacific Rim and for me it's True

1123
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,920
Grit.
I don't know, that's a weird

1124
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,760
double feature.
Why don't you just watch those

1125
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,440
two and not Iron Man and see
what happens after that?

1126
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Yes all right, dude, let's do
final scores here.

1127
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,720
I think that we have done a good
job of like placing this in

1128
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,040
historical context.
It's an important movie because

1129
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,960
for better or worse, it kicked
off the MCU, which has

1130
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,800
effectively ruined movies
forever.

1131
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,160
It it just they it did I I can't
blame this movie too much

1132
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,640
because this is a movie and it
feels like a movie.

1133
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,920
Yep.
I also can't give it too much

1134
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,200
credit because it's like, it's a
good movie.

1135
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,120
It's got its flaws but it's like
a perfectly fine above, I mean

1136
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,560
way above average movie that I
enjoy the hell out of.

1137
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,600
I think I'm going to land at an
8 out of 10 on Iron Man, Brad.

1138
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,600
Yeah, I I think at the end of
the day, the reason this movie

1139
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,120
works is because it has an
incredibly charismatic

1140
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:10,640
performance from RDJ paired with
a emotionally impactful story of

1141
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,640
growth.
And like when you see Iron Man

1142
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,560
grow into who he is and be try
to become a better person.

1143
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,280
And you know when when he stops
Pepper Potts and he goes,

1144
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,960
listen, you stood by my side
when I did all my BS all those

1145
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,120
years.
And now that I'm finally trying

1146
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,040
to fix all the wrongs that I
unknowingly committed, you're

1147
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,880
going to leave.
And then she turns around and

1148
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,480
basically is like, yeah, but you
weren't in danger then, and now

1149
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,520
you are.
It's moments like that that

1150
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,040
illustrate the emotional depth
behind this movie, of the love

1151
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,960
and the growth that I really do
think Iron Man nails so many

1152
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,520
classic storytelling tropes in a
unique and interesting way that

1153
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,960
make it such an effective film.
I'll give it an 8 1/2 Bob.

1154
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,920
All right, cool.
So that brings our average to an

1155
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,640
8.25 out of 10.
I think it's a perfect place for

1156
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,760
this movie.
Brad like it.

1157
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,000
I don't know that it deserves to
be talked about as any sort of

1158
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,920
all time classic, but it's it's
a lot better than your

1159
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,960
run-of-the-mill superhero movie
especially has become nowadays.

1160
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,080
All right, but we'd like to know
what you guys think.

1161
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,280
Iron Man 2008.
Where does it rank on your MCU

1162
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,400
rankings?
How would you pit it up against

1163
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,280
Christopher Nolan's The Dark
Knight?

1164
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,480
You can let us know on any one
of our social media accounts

1165
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,720
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Instagram, Tiktok or YouTube

1166
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,080
here on YouTube just below at
Film Whiskey.

1167
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,960
It's it's been X for a while
now, Bob.

1168
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,360
I feel like Twitter, bro.
I feel like we've hit the point

1169
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,000
where it's like, are we really
still calling it Twitter?

1170
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,960
We're being contrarian at this
point.

1171
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,240
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Wherever you want to find us you

1172
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,080
can, including our discord.
We are on discord everyday

1173
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,320
talking to you guys, whoever
wants to chit chat with us about

1174
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,480
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other things.

1175
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,920
So if you want to join the
conversation, you can find a

1176
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,640
link at the end of every single
one of our show notes.

1177
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,800
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1178
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,120
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1179
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,040
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1180
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,479
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1181
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,200
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1182
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,399
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1183
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,640
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1184
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,520
Whiskey Brad.
Next week we will be back with

1185
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:35,840
another movie that has has seen
much press in the like 6 or 7

1186
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,560
years since it's been released.
We're talking about the Best

1187
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,560
Picture winner, Green Book.
So we went from the Tree of Life

1188
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,960
to Iron Man to Green Book.
I'm super excited to dive into

1189
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,080
that one with you man.
Yeah, that, that is a wild trio

1190
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,880
right there, Bob.
Really excited for it.

1191
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,040
All right, we'll be back with
that one next week, but until

1192
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,399
then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1193
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:24,960
And we'll see you next time.
Music.