Whiskey Spotlight: Old Dominick Distillery ft. Alex Castle

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course he do you drink whiskey
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They've been voted best
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by the New York International
Spirits competition.

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They've been voted the best
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the Ascot Awards as well as the
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fascinating and adventurous
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That's the OCS whisky.com.
Hey, everybody.

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Welcome into the film.
And whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob book and I am flying
solo today on another special

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bonus episode that Brad is not
here for unfortunately, that the

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time of night that we're
recording this.

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We couldn't get Brad to sit down
with us, but it's his loss

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because I'm sitting down with
somebody tonight that I have

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been wanting to get on this show
for a couple years now, way back

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in like season one or season.
Into of the podcast, we receive

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some samples in the mail.
From this up, cut up and coming.

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Distillery in Tennessee.
Called Old Dominic, we tried

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their huling station Bourbon and
we tried their Memphis toddy

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cordial and they were both so
freaking good that I immediately

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reached back out and said, do
you have anything else you can

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send us and, you know, we got a
wheat whiskey after that.

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And so we've been following old
Dominic really closely for a

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while now and they have some big
announcements and some big

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things That are coming down the
pike now.

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And so, we are lucky enough to
be sitting down with Master

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distiller, Alex, Castle.
Alex, thank you so much for

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joining us tonight.
Thank you so much for having me.

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I don't think I realized that.
You guys have been following us

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and tasting our stuff for so
long.

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That is absolutely fantastic.
It's one of those things, you

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know, I don't know if you have
this with like celebrities or

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like people who you look up to
in your own circles.

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But we have a few people on
Instagram that I've been

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following like since the
beginning of the podcast.

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East and whether they know it or
not, they were like in my first,

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you know, hundred follows on
Instagram and I think you were

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one of those.
And so I'm just like every time

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I get on Instagram like your
pictures pop up early in the

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feed it.
So I'm just like I know what's

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going on with Alex one of these
days.

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We're gonna we're gonna sit down
and talk because that's my

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people right there.
Love it, love it.

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Alright, let's go ahead and just
jump right in here.

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You're sitting down with us
tonight because the Distillery

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has a pretty big announcement
and that is that you are finally

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releasing your on distillate and
it's called a straight

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Tennessee.
Whiskey.

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I cannot wait to talk more about
this, but can you give us some

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background?
And I guess I've kind of stolen

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your thunder with this
announcement a little bit.

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But I'll let y'all let you wheel
it out from here on out.

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Yeah.
So The whole concept of all

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Dominic started back in
2013-2014, but we didn't get to

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start our actual whiskey
production until December 2016,

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filled our first Barrels in
February February 2017.

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So we've been we've been waiting
very patiently for our whiskey

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to come of age, so to speak, and
I made my owners very aware.

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That I wasn't going to dump any
barrels until they were at least

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four years old.
So they've been sitting on their

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hands for that amount of time.
Easier said than done and then

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the pandemic and other things,
kind of stretched it out.

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So we ended up and wait until
you're five basically, or I has

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five and a half.
And those first barrels were our

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Tennessee, whiskey.
This is the first whiskey to be

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start to finish.
So grain to bottle, produced

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distilled age.
And in Memphis since at least

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prohibition.
So it's a huge milestone not

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just for all Dominic but also
for Memphis and we're so excited

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to be able to add to the growing
Tennessee, whiskey category,

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because it's not a very big one
at all.

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And ours is a mash both 75%
corn. 13% ride, 12%.

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Malted barley.
So So you're going to get some

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really great sweet Notes From
The Corn but there's just enough

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Rye to kind of offset it a
little bit and you do get some

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rice spice.
So if you are a right Drinker

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you should like this.
But also for I scares you a

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little bit, this should still be
approachable.

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Shouldn't be too in-your-face
where I and we actually did two

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releases.
We have our as you called it.

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The straight Tennessee.
Whiskey that is.

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Our kind of our everyday
Drinker, you're going to be able

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to find it all the time and it's
85 proof.

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So I know that sounds kind of
like a low proof.

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Especially right now.
Everyone wants Cask strength,

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sure but we found through months
of taste tests.

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That 85 proof is where this
whiskey.

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Just it's sang and I think why
it's sings at that proof is

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because we go into the barrel of
110 proof.

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So kind of low No proof.
But our wonderful, Memphis

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humidity that most of us
complain about all year,

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actually is amazing for whiskey.
And so our barrels are coming

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out between 115 and 120 proof.
So we're gaining in those four

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to five years.
We're getting a lot of alcohol

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content, so it's giving some
amazing body and depth to these

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barrels.
So that even when you proof all

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the way down to 85, I've it
still has so much character and

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so much flavor, but at that,
lower proof.

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It's still very, very
approachable and easy to sit.

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That's so exciting.
I'm sorry to interrupt you,

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please keep going.
No, no, I'm just I'm just over

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here like giddy about trying
this, so the other product we

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release.
It's also Tennessee whiskey and

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it's kind of It's a very
exciting one for us.

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Not a lot of distilleries.
Get to release bottled in bond

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products.
There's a whole list of

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suggested, check off, to be able
to put that on your bottle and

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the fact that were able to put
that on the bottle.

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With our first release is
incredibly exciting.

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So Bond bond is a federally
regulated, designation for

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whiskey, and it was created to
help the consumer know.

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Oh, that you were getting good
whiskey way.

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Back in the day, people are
putting a bunch of junk in their

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whiskey through enough, I guess,
extend their volume.

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If it said Balan Bond, you knew
you were getting quality product

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and that meant you were getting
whiskey from a single,

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distillery in a single
production season.

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And we Define that January to
June July to December, and it

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was produced by one distiller.
Aged for at least four years in

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bottle of 100 Proof.
So you have to check all those

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boxes to be able to put this on
your bottle, and we can do that.

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And so we released two batches
of ball and bond from two

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different production Seasons,
there about a year apart, so

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radically different ages and
radically different profiles,

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both phenomenal.
But so much fun to put out

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there.
So, I want to talk a little bit

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about the differences between
these new products, and your

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healing station line.
Because, I mean, that's, that's

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what made me fall in love with
The Distillery.

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And, you know, and you guys are
very transparent about the fact

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that, that was a sourced
product.

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And I guess what I'm wondering
at this point is, you know, when

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you get brought on as Master
distiller and the product that

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you're selling, at that point is
sourced product.

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But you guys are making a name
for yourselves as a producer.

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And as a Distillery that is
like, starting to Still, does it

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increase your anxiety, level?
Any that what you're starting to

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become known for is something
that somebody else made and

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there's like, I don't know
what's it like to walk that line

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between.
I want to be consistent to what

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people have come to know us for.
But I also got hired because

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they trust my palate and I might
want to go in a different

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direction with this.
There's definitely some anxiety

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and nerves associated with it.
First, I'm incredibly proud of

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the fueling station line, it
wasn't just contract or Source.

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Whiskey was contract is still so
that is actually still our

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proprietary match bills.
Our yeast are barrels, so it's

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still very much what we wanted
and I NG P does amazing job on

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that.
You're never going to complain

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about anything that comes out of
that Distillery, right?

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And so, I love that product.
I've been able to few in my own

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way, make it my own.
But I was super excited to be

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able to come to Tennessee and
start making my own whiskey and

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knowing the reputation that
healing has now releasing our

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whiskey are Tennessee on.
November first was terrifying

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because it's so much younger.
It's radically different.

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The mass bills couldn't be
farther apart from each other.

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I absolutely was worried that
people would just We want to

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compare it to huling.
Sure.

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And that they wouldn't
necessarily hold up because of

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how different they are.
Fortunately, that hasn't been

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the situation so far course
those.

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He's only been out for, I don't
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weeks.
We'll see what happens in six

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months, but it is it's a
balancing act and it's

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definitely a nerve-wrecking game
of going from a source product

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or contract is still product to
tutor very young.

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Yeah.
But at the same time, I really

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respect the decision on the part
of old Dominic to not release

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this new product, as healing
station like to respect what

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healing station is and was and
like you said different, Mash

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bill.
So it would be wildly different

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to pick up a bottle of huling
now.

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But I just, I really like that.
It's almost like, I don't want

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to call it closing a chapter but
you know this is what you guys

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were known for and now this this
new thing is going to be what

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you're known for, and it may be
a different Mash bill, but it's

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still very much has the
character and the Spirit of what

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old Dominic has come to
represent.

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Let's get to here.
Yeah, we wanted them to really

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have their own basically brand
identities.

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So when huling first came out
there actually was all Dominic

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on the label.
If you look at a bottle now, oh,

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Dominic is no longer on the
front label and we did that in

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preparation for this whiskey
release.

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We wanted consumers to be able
to kind of separate them, you

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know.
Hopefully, so maybe connect the

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dots a little bit know that
we're putting out both But to

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also signify don't don't compare
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Don't assume one is like the
other.

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We want them to be their own
completely, Unique Products.

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All right.
I'm going to, I'm going to put

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us on a timer here because I've
got a ton of stuff to get

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through on the movies front.
But before we segue into that, I

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want you really quickly to tell
a story that I was reading in my

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research for you about the time
where you were working at

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alltech or Down branches.
It's come to be known Now, The

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Distillery portion of Altec,
when you were either in college

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or just after college, I
believe, and you got put in

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charge of distilling with about
five minute.

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Crash course to prepare you for
it.

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So, could you share a little bit
about that experience?

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Yeah, absolutely said.
I took a co-op basically paid

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internship at alltech in
Lexington, Kentucky in College

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because they had a small
Brewery, it's called Kentucky

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jail.
Not knowing they were actually

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adding a Distillery to it at the
time and so about three months

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into it, they added the pot
Stills, my boss knew my interest

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in it and so couple weeks in
after they've commissioned The

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Stills, he asked me if I want to
observe a distillation.

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I said absolutely, get out of
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Let's do this.
So I made him at the brewery

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Distillery and get there.
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me is I am so sorry.
I forgot to take the boys to the

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dentist.
So I have to go.

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So I immediately deflate
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Now to go back to the office.
Wonderful.

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And instead, and this is so
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how he worked.
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the office, he ran through the
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minutes said, you're good to go.
If there's a problem, by all

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means, Turn them off.
But here you go and then you

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left.
And so I on that day when I'm

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supposed to be observing,
actually ran my first whiskey

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distillation.
I don't think I stopped smiling

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one time that entire day as
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thrilled.
And from that day forward, I

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ended up filling the first
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would become pure science,
Reserve, Whiskey and set up

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their Sops and everything that
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Wow.
So yeah that's where I learned.

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I didn't want to make beer.
I wanted to make whiskey.

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Yeah.
Well first of all I you know I

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lived just outside of Lexington
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really the only player around in
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They're absolutely.
And people always ask me like

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where Should I start?
I'm gonna go to the Kentucky

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Bourbon Trail.
Where should I start?

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And people are always surprised
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of the first ones I'd recommend
if you're just starting out on

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the trail, is the alltech tour
because it's such a great kind

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of entry point into, you know,
they have a variety of different

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kinds of Whiskey's.
There's a bourbon awry and Irish

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whiskey, but the way the tour
works is they give you these

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tokens and you can cache the
tokens in for whatever you want

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and that includes all of their
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So if you want to do a mix of
beer and whiskey, it's such a

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great little tour and I was I
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I needed to see that you got
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because it has a special place
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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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I agree that tour is wonderful
because you can you can get beer

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and whiskey and I love it
because that Distillery did not

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look anything like that when I
work there, but it's absolutely

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beautiful.
In those pot Stills they do the

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traditional pot, stills from
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Yeah, absolutely.
Gorgeous.

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Now I say all those nice things
so that I can now say this, I've

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been thinking about this story
for the last couple hours and

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trying to find like, how do I
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Because it sounds like a really
heartwarming story and a great

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leadership example, right?
Like, hey, give the little guy a

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chance because you never know
who might go on to become, you

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know, Master distiller, I told
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So give her a chance but then I
think like that was wildly

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irresponsible.
It's just since just put the

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coop person, In charge of a
whole day's worth of

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distillation.
Like now that you're in that

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position, would you have done
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If someone came to you and said
like, hey, I want to learn and

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you were like, all right, here's
5-minute crash course, and

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you're good to go.
Like it blows my mind.

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I'm so glad for his sake or her
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Whoever your boss was that that
you turned out to be a natural

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at it because that could have
gone horribly wrong.

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So my boss is Mark Kaufman, who
is now the master distiller Town

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Branch Okay, and he always from
day, one was a throw you in the

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deep end, see if you can sink or
swim kind of person which most

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people were terrified.
I've I kind of loved it but I

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think by that point he had
learned that I'm very

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by-the-book, very OCD.
If you tell me to do something

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I'm going to do it to a tee.
So he knew I was going to follow

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his instructions but I should
also say that shortly

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thereafter, they brought a
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And I spent two weeks with him
absorbing as much of his

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knowledge as I possibly could.
So I wasn't doing it for too

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long before, getting much more
formal training.

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Well, that's good to know.
I actually probably would be

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even more impressed though if
you came into this interview and

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said like know that five minutes
was the only training I've ever

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had.
Look at where I am now, you

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know, you never know.
That's true.

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Right before we let you go.
Today, we have developed and I

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say developed, we have
shamelessly stolen, a set of

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questions that we've started
asking our interview guests here

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and it's based on the TV show
Inside the Actor's Studio.

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Oh man.
And so we're calling it inside

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the whiskey Studio.
We've pared it down a little

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bit.
I won't ask you what your

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favorite curse word is because
you're here as a representative

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of a company.
But maybe if you want to tell me

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about anyone, I work with would
tell you what my favorite

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grocery, they know exactly what
It is, yes.

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All right.
So we're going to just do this

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as rapid fire as possible.
Starting with this one.

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What is your favorite word?
Favorite were, might be the same

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as my favorite cuss word.
Now it's on top of your mind.

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Exactly.
I'm definitely a fan of the

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F-bomb.
That is it gets used way too

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much in my day-to-day.
What's your least favorite word?

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Oh man.
No other.

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I like to say it so that's
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What sound or noise?
Do you love The ocean, what

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sound or noise?
Do you hate the whole solar job

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board?
What's a profession?

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Other than your own that you
would like to attempt?

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I always loved the idea of
directing oh nice.

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Well you came to the right
place.

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Who are your favorite fictional
Heroes?

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Oh man, fictional Heroes.
Let's say probably Aragorn

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further me and Harry Potter, who
your favorite characters in

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history?
Oh man.

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Absolutely love Leonardo da
Vinci and King Henry the eighth.

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Wow.
Okay.

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Who is your favorite musician?
I probably have to go with

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either a Dell or Ben Folds.
What's a natural gifting that

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you would most like to possess?
Oh, shoot.

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Most natural gifting the ability
to not swear.

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Is that no, that's too much.
Yeah you don't want that.

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Swearing is way too much fun.
I mean, I would love to be able

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to play a musical instrument.
I have no rhythm whatsoever.

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If you had a say in how you
died, how would you prefer to go

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out?
Peacefully in my sleep.

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I don't even know it's
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All right?
And finally, this is one that

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we've added.
If you had to pair, your new old

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Dominic products with a fast
food item.

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What would it be?
I feel like some fried chicken.

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Well, there you go.
We work really well.

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All right now you got it you got
to pick a restaurant, though.

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Can't just be generic about it.
Well is it also qualifies as

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fast food but guess is Fried
Chicken here in Memphis cool

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okay best fried chicken.
All right.

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Well, Shameless plug for Gus's
Fried Chicken?

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Yes, I love it.
All right, now I said all that

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we did.
We did the list first because I

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think we're going to tease your
favorite movie and then I'm

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going to guilt trip you into
coming back on the show in the

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future.
Talk about your favorite movies

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and the reason is because right
before we press record, Alex

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told me what her two favorite
movies were and I knew that Brad

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my co-host would quit the show
and never come back again if I

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talk to you about these without
him here.

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So can you You can you tease for
the audience?

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What are the movies that we
would be talking about?

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Yeah, I'm split between the
original Star Wars Trilogy and

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the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I just I just want to take a

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moment.
Anyone who listens to this show

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knows like Brad has an like an
obscene amount of love for the

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original Star Wars Trilogy and
we're both huge fans of Lord of

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the Rings.
So like I would not be doing

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just Stu are dynamic as a
podcasting 20.

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If I talk to you about these
right now.

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So Alex, we would love to have
you back on the show soon.

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I'd love to honestly, we'd love
to do a tasting of these new

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products.
Maybe get you on and we'll try a

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couple of these and dive into
Lord of the Rings and your love

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for Aragorn.
What do you say?

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Let's do it.
All right everybody, this has

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been Alex Castle Master
distiller, at one of our

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favorite distilleries old
Dominic in Memphis, Tennessee.

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Alex, thank you so much for your
time today.

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Thank you so much for having me.
All right, everybody, we will be

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back on Monday with another
regularly scheduled episode.

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But until then, I'm Bob book and
we'll see you next time.