Whiskey Spotlight: Old Line Spirits

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Some whiskey Nation.
Do you ever think about Awards

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course he do you drink whiskey
and watch movies which means

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that, you know, that nothing is
validated until a group of

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random people say hey we love
what you're doing.

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The awesome thing about doc
Swensons, whiskey is that it

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isn't just some group of schlubs
that are given them Awards.

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They have been winning attention
from some of the most important

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whiskey experts that you can
imagine.

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They've been voted best
distillery in Washington state

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by the New York International
Spirits competition.

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They've been voted the best
independent Pendant bottler by

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the Ascot Awards as well as the
best finished bourbon from the

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Ascot awards for their La.
Mente exploratory Cask their

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exploratory Cask series is where
they release some of the most

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fascinating and adventurous
experiments.

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If you're ever checking out,
docks line up and see a white

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label is a really good chance
that that's the only time you'll

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see that bottle.
So, make sure you snatch it up.

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Doc Swensons has been offering
just phenomenal finished and

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Blended whiskies for quite some
time.

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Now, you can find them online at
Doc's, whisky.com.

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That's doccs whisky.com.
Hey everybody.

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Welcome into the film and
whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G, and we
are coming at you today with

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another special bonus episode.
Mmm bonus episode.

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Wow, that was quite the build up
their bread.

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Hey, you're welcome.
How are you doing, man?

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I have not talked to you in like
a week.

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We just.
Yeah, but we're not recording

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the podcast.
We just cut each other off,

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completely.
It seems like, well, honestly, I

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feel like you text me pretty
often and so sometimes I'll go

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like Two or three days without
hearing from you.

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And I'm like, is the podcast
over like did pop died.

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I don't know what's going on.
Well, I'm not on death's door

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but I have been under the
weather, the past few days.

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As you can probably tell from
the half octave lower, that my

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voice currently is dude.
Being sick is the best for

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podcasting, for podcasting, for
sure, for, you know, General

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Health and well-being, not so
much.

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Yeah, not at all.
But I'll tell you what's really

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helping me right now, in my time
of need, is some Cask strength

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whiskey, because Cuz we have a
bottle sitting next to us here

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from Old Line spirits and Brad,
we have been working to get them

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on the show for about a year now
I am so so excited to have them

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on for, for Veterans Day, you
know, Veterans Day is tomorrow

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Friday.
This is a veteran owned company.

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We're going to be talking with
the owner Mark McLaughlin here

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in just a moment.
But I got to say, even before we

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bring Mark into things, we get
this bottle of whiskey in the

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mail.
It is an American single malt

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from Maryland that is Cask
strength.

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Now, I'm not Used to getting
single malt for Maryland and I'm

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certainly not used to it being
Cask strength and I'm certainly

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not used to it having quite this
much color to it.

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So I pour it out and I'm like,
all right, let's see what we got

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here.
And it's freaking phenomenal,

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Brad.
Like this is an absolutely

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killer whiskey.
I got it in the mail, a few

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weeks back and had a buddy over.
And I was like, well, hey, let's

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just crack the bottom and see
what it's like.

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And we were exact same
experience for thrown off a

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little bit by the the The where
it's from the fact that it's an

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American single malt castrated
like, what's going on here.

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And then we drank it.
And Bob this, if we were

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reviewing this as a regular part
of our season, it might hit like

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the 43-44 mark.
Yeah, but it says it's this is

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like Top Notch whiskey.
It's very bourbon me in a lot of

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ways I could has that rich dark
okey character to it that you

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don't get on Scotch very often.
And it almost reminds me like

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there's certain Bourbons that
call themselves like a cigar

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blend.
It has that sort of last dark

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Smokey cigar thing going on to
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I'm vamping at this point
because Mark is sitting over

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here, waiting for us to call on
him as we just, you know, extol

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the virtues of this whiskey Mark
McLaughlin welcomed into the

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film and whiskey podcast.
Thank you so much for being here

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and thank you for this whiskey,
General.

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Thank you so much and I'm glad
you I received it.

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I'm glad you're enjoying it.
So Mark, tell us a little bit

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about the company itself because
I've been reading through the

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history on your website and it
seems like you guys have spanned

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and and trekked across the whole
continent.

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As you set this thing up, I'm
seeing things about Washington,

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I'm seeing things about Ohio,
I'm seeing things about

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Maryland, so give us the, you
know, the minute long version of

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the history of this company, by
all means.

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Yes, it's an unusual start.
So, you know, Arch, my business

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partner art Watkins, Arch, and I
you were friends from the Navy.

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Fly together.
We were both the weapon systems

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operators, Navigators on, Naval
Naval, Aviation Jets, you know,

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carrier-based, that's how we met
and became buddies.

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And then, you know, left a navy
suit, civilian careers.

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Neither one of us was really
that enthused with what we were

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doing on the civilian side.
So we decided, hey, why not make

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whiskey?
And we thought, you know, will

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make whiskey will make bourbon
when they cry will start

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something from scratch.
We'll jump into this away.

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So many others have in the past
10 years, And we stumbled across

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an opportunity to actually
apprentice and learn how to make

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whiskey from true gentleman on
the west coast near.

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Seattle named, Bob still
division Jim Caudill, and they

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had a very, very, very small,
Distillery called Golden

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Distillery.
And they were making this just

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killer American single malt
whiskey and they were looking to

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pass the torch because Jim
unfortunately was terminally ill

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and you know what had started
off as a, you know, two guys in

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their retirement years making
whiskey, you know, make a little

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money but really for fun.
Became this Shore.

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So they were looking to pass it
on to they wanted to go away,

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right?
They wanted this thing to

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continue, you know, where vets
their vets, we like them.

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They liked us, ultimately, we
moved out their lives in the

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guest house.
So, you know, learn how to make

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the whiskey bought the thing,
and then, relocated it back to

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Baltimore.
And, you know, in the interim,

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we were getting set up in
Baltimore.

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We started producing whiskey
with middle.

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West Spirits in Columbus, Ohio.
That's because they're awesome.

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Yeah.
Those guys allowed us to be

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extremely in They still do allow
us to be extremely Hands-On.

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It's are bringing our yeast.
Our process spokes almost like,

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Gypsy to stealing in the sense
that they let us go out there

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and be very, very involved and
they and enormously beneficial

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to us, and we still work with
him to this day.

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So it's been that's the shortest
answer.

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I can give you.
It's been a long journey.

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But, you know, in his kind of a
long strange trip if you will,

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but we couldn't be happier with
where it brought us.

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Well, I got to say, first of
all, the fact that this bottle

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says, distilled in Ohio, on it
just makes my heart warm.

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In addition to that, you know, I
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what you guys are up to now
because it's not just this Cask

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strength, single malt.
You guys are producing, you're

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making rums as well.
And you have some variations

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within this world of single
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So, what are some of your other
offerings besides just this

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bottle that we have today?
Yeah, so that would you have the

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cash Grant is one of our two
Flagship offerings.

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That's kind of sister offering
is the, the 86 proof expression

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of that same product.
So those were kind of the, the

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two flags the ship's if you will
and to your point, we do other

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things.
We do, we do import rum from the

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Dominican Republic.
It's our own blend of barrel

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aged rum.
It's wonderful.

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We do that in a pretty limited
amount, so it's an important

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part of our business, but it's a
very, very small limited part.

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Really what we focus on is the
single malt world.

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And in addition to what you have
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started to release a little bit
of peated.

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Malt.
So, just like the whiskey you're

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drinking right now which is, you
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That Oak for character is really
drawing in.

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We love that again.
We love that american-style

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overboard aging, and we do that
with our period as well, which

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does differentiate it very much
from a typical Iowa Scotch.

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For example, we do number of
barrel.

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Finishes the most notable ones
are tivity boldero.

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So Sherry Madeira and Tawny port
and we do other ones too but

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those are the ones that are
really kind of started to take

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off and yeah, really just you
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we've done that and malts, you
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We've dug with bottles and bonds
offering that we did here in

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Baltimore.
So yeah lots of cool stuff

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that's coming out.
One thing we're not doing and is

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bourbon and rye and we
absolutely love Bourbon and Rye

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just absolutely no Bible Bible.
My cabinets always full of a

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wide range of Bourbons riding
scotches but we're not doing

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that because this is the path
we've Chosen and we're just you

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know we want to be mauled guys.
That's you know as far as what

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we make sense just we're focused
largely on that well and what is

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it that about?
Walt specifically that Drew you

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win, you know?
Obviously, it's a little bit of

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a smaller Market here in the
u.s., especially for American

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single, malts.
So so, what was it that made you

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guys, you know, we want to do,
we're going to make American

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single malts.
So it's funny.

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I, you know, the first thing
that Drew a sin was just the

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opportunity because, you know,
when I quit my I was an

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investment banker for about two
years in between the Navy.

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And this, and the way we met Bob
and Jim, the guys that we ended

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up, you know, apprenticing under
and buying there.

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Business was at a distilling
conference.

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That was in Seattle.
I was that you know, trying to

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start a Distillery, I flew out
there for the conference on

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that.
Bob one of the owners that

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business and he had come down
from about 90 minutes north

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where he lived and he had come
down to because, you know, he

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knew he had decided to sell the
business and he knew that he'd

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find.
A lot of people like me who were

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newcomers, who may be interested
in the opportunity.

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So when I met Bob and he said he
was making American single malt.

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I had never heard of American
single my life.

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This is 2014.
It was Pleating new to me.

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So at first, to be honest, I was
a little bit, taken aback, or

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column, and I kind of had my
heart set on Bourbon and rye and

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then you know, Bob said, hey why
don't you fly out a couple weeks

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from now, come visit the place,
you know.

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Just so you think and I came out
and prior to that he had shipped

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me some whiskey illegally, but
whatever.

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And like you did, you pop that
bottle, open.

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It's like holy smokes.
Like there's something here and

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where I've kind of what I love
about it.

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For me at least is I love that
especially the profile that

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we're doing an old mine.
Fine.

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You were doing very much
embracing that you're the new

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world aging.
The number for Char virgin Oak.

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It's definitely involves, right?
It's not bourbon but it's

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definitively American malls.
And other other American

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distilleries were approaching a
little bit more from an old

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world perspective.
And there's young people doing

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amazing a great examples like
Virginia Distilling Company,

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they're making great Whiskey's
but they're just doing it in a

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very different approach than we
are, which is beautiful.

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So, my point I guess, is that
what I love about what we do at

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old line, is that I think it
delivers all the things that a

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bourbon Drinker wants in a Very,
very, very different vehicle so

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it's, you know, it's just like,
hey, all, you know, the spicy

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notes, you know, the baking
spices, the caramel that vanilla

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is wonderful, nutty character,
things like that, those things

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were there, they're just
delivered.

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Almost like, you know, when you
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different levers or high or low
to the mixing table whatever you

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call it, you know, it's like
it's like the same things just

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delivered in a very, very
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really fun to me.
I think it's a great way to put

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it and I'm glad that you're not
offended by me saying that.

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It was a very bourbon e malt
earlier and and I guess for the

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nerds in the audience, can you
go in a little bit more on like

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the aging process?
And it sounds like you guys are

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using new, charred Oak barrels,
not used ones like they would in

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Scotland and with that number
for Char, is that all correct?

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That is all correct.
Yes, exactly.

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So, so you know up until the
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the process you could say is not
unlike like a Highland single

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malt.
So we use, you know, ball non-p,

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did Vault with the exception of.
We had that one peated offering

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it's very limited but, you know,
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mall, but generally speaking,
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distillate coming off.
The still would resemble in many

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ways, you know, some Highlander
single-malt scotches but then,

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that aging process to your
point.

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We're doing everything in mostly
number, for charge some number

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three, Charter virgin Oak, and
you hit the nail on the head.

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As far as calling it kind of
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our Target.
More frankly, as far as early

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adopter is more bourbon Drinker
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And that's not to say that
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It's just that, I think that
what we deliver draws in a lot

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of bourbon drinkers, who didn't
think that they like multiple

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ski.
And what we found is that they

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probably just haven't been
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because as you guys know, you
guys have scotch guys like, you

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know, there's a whole wide range
of single-malt scotches.

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And you know, to say, you know,
I don't like Scotch based on one

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or two experiences is really
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Because there's, you know, the
difference between your really

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Smoky peaty Earth the Ila and,
you know, really fruity, you

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know, kind of lighter Glen mon.
Look at you couldn't be farther

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apart, right?
And this is a world in between.

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So at any rate, the reference to
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Malt is something that we
embrace Yeah.

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I mean that's something we
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the same way that there's a vast
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any amount of the bourbon
products that we drink, people

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need to get into Scotch, man,
the like, there is so many

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beautiful whiskies from around
the world that people aren't

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trying.
I mean, heck Bob, and I had the

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pain Darren at the start of last
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I believe, which is a Welsh.
Yeah, malt.

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That is incredible.
That like they're putting out

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such good.
Off its agreed upon Darren's a

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great example and another
example you guys know milk and

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honey out of Israel I've heard
of it but we haven't tried it on

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the show before check them out
and I'll be will connect offline

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and on to you say to somebody
who may be able to guide you

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along awesome, they're doing
things that are you know three

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years old.
That to me you know, tastes like

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they've been aging a lot longer
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There's really well made.
Well maybe malts and they're

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exciting and different.
I mean it is One my cup of tea,

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no, but that's cool.
There's boring different way.

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But man, when they hit they hit
and I think that your point get

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this damn there's just a lot of
great world Whiskey's and then

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within Scotland I think Scotland
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a lot of American consumers.
Because again they have one or

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two experiences with something
that wasn't really what they

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wasn't really for them.
And but I think that's just kind

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of very limiting you because
there is such a wide range of

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what's available there.
Well, I feel like to your point

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though, there's something about
malt as a grade and obviously

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I'm not a distiller so I I'm
asking you though, like we've

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heard it time and time again
from people who distill malt

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whiskies that?
It seems like there's more of a

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playground there that you can go
more directions with it that, or

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I guess that there's a variety
of ways that it can come out in

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the end with her or not, you
intend that.

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But like, you know, with corn
you have to with with Bourbons,

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you have to add like a rye spice
or wheat like something to round

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it out to make it not just
tastes like sweet corn and with

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Rye, you know like you've got
your 95/5 Rise or a hundred

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percent rise and then basically
just like, you're 51 percent

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rise.
But there's something about malt

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that it seems like you can go a
ton of different directions with

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it and really play with the
flavor profile.

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Just depending on, you know,
what kind of process you use for

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mulching it and things like that
100%.

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Yeah, yeah.
I couldn't say it better myself.

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So that to that mean, for those
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aren't as familiar with what
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But to Bob's point, the, you
know, malted barley, it's his

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grain barley that you know, gets
harvested before.

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Germinates.
And I'll try to keep this as

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brief as I can.
But if you imagine if that grain

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was left to just fall off, the
plant in the fields, and it's

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got a really thick protein husk,
and really dry and starchy

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interior, low moisture, content
and starchy but not sugary.

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And what that's designed to do
is survive the winter and then

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when the rain comes in the warms
up in the spring natural process

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during germination occurs with
these, you know, enzymes get

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released that are natural to the
Grain and break down the

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starches into sugar and that
sugar is what The plant uses to

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Sprouts at the energy to sprout
before could start using

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photosynthesis to really start
creating its own food.

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So all that is to say that when
you multiply rain as you guys

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know, but just the listeners who
may not, you know, you're

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tricking that process.
The put the malt I was the place

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that does this.
They'll soak the grain.

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They'll trick it into thinking
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they'll dry it out and the way
that's done creates a

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dramatically different flavor
within that grain.

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So to, so what one good example
is, we use two types of malted

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barley, which can be confusing,
You to some people because well,

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thanks single malt.
Wait, shouldn't only be one

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type, you know, the single and
single malt refers to be

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produced at one Distillery.
And it's got to be all malted

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barley, but there's different
types of multiple early that we

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can use.
So we use two types and one of

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them is called a commitment to
rope, a more premium pale malt.

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And if you were to take that
grain before we know it up and

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mash it, it'll taste like grape
nut cereal.

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So think Hmm.
Mildly sweet but a little more

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like starchy Being grainy, you
know, take a little taste, like,

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yeah, grain.
The other one we use, when they

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dry it out in the malting house,
they tried it a high temperature

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and it starts to caramelize the
some of those sugars that have

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started their form, and it gets
darker, and that mu call a see

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120, which is C stands for
Crystal.

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We can call him, deep, kill,
multi, gross malt.

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And if you were to take a bite
of that crane, it tastes like

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raisin bran flakes.
It's the exact same grain before

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they start.
But the way it was processed in

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that maltose, gives us two
Dramatically different flavors

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so that you know exactly your
point earlier corn, tastes like

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corn.
But yeah, this variations of

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different types and I'm not
trying to downplay it but it is

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what it is, but it's up.
It's a pretty narrow flavor

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band.
Whereas malts, you can get a,

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you can start off already, which
is such a wildly different, you

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know, flavor profile, even
before you distill it.

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Well, Mark, I have to say you
are the first person.

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I'm 98%.
Sure.

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The first person in the history
of the film whiskey podcast to

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use the word photosynthesis.
So I know I got a whole

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dictionary here, gonna go
through, okay?

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I think you might be then the
smartest person ever to appear

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on the pot.
My GPA in college would suggest

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otherwise, but I'll take the
compliment.

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Well man, I thank you for the
lesson on on the, on the grains.

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Because I think that there's so
much there.

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To learn.
There's so much to grow and

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understand of, like, what goes
into the glass that you're

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drinking and it honestly kind of
made me think about.

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I was thinking about how you
being a Navy pilot.

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Obviously a lot went into the
making of top gun Maverick.

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They literally blasted.
It's everywhere.

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Like, you couldn't go online in
the month or two leading up to

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that movie without seeing, like,
watch the documentary of the

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real Navy pilots who made The
Maverick this is on Brad's way.

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I was gonna say this is Brad's
way of asking you.

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What do you think of top gun
Maverick?

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Yeah, so yeah, I hate to say it
gentlemen.

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I have not seen it yet.
It's crazy.

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I need to, and then, you know,
the first I was like, hey, you

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know, I'll wait to the gears are
too crowded.

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I don't know how I'm gonna no
rush, and then it just kind of

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like life over took it.
And then, I told my wife, I'm

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like, I will go see it together.
And like, that was stupid

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because we never do things
together.

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Now, I'm in this kind of, you
know, I guess I'm waiting for it

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to be available and just rent it
on at home, but I'm excited to

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see it and it will be fun to
see.

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I've seen the first one.
Obviously, the first one from

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the 80s was one of the first
things that got me interested in

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Naval Aviation like so many
other people do.

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Yeah.
I mean like it's a documented

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thing and I know that like the
Navy was involved in the making

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of that movie like the military
is always involved in the making

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of movies like that but
recruitment spikes like crazy

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after.
If that movie came out because

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everyone everybody wanted to go
to Top Gun, everybody wanted to

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be the next Maverick.
So I mean like you coming on the

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tail end of that and that
inspiring you to go into the

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Navy in some ways like when you
look back on the first Top Gun,

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like, how does it hold up to you
from an actual like piloting

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standpoint?
Well, you know, it's a couple of

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ways to answer that.
I'd say that, you know, I'll

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start want first like,
culturally, what did they did?

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What every kind of movie does,
right?

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You know, they'll take something
like you watch.

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Cop movie.
Like okay, yeah, there's some

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cop behaviors and things, but
it's probably pretty

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exaggerated.
I like, you know, and same thing

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with this like, you know, the
yeah, we're competitive Bunch,

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you know, and there's a lot of
that is real but really, there's

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actually way more collaboration
than competition and Innovation.

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So yeah, you're competing, you
know, y'all every wants to be,

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you know, the best of what they
do.

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But no one's out there trying to
like knock the other guy down.

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You know what I mean?
It's like they kind of amp that

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up a bit but that's a movie, I
get it, the flying Yeah I'd say

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that you know it's just what I
watched as a kid I just was

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enthralled and then you know
after going through, neonatal

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flight school and flying for a
while like you start with you

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watch it again.
You're like wow like what what's

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actually happening in that scene
couldn't be farther from what

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they're saying is happening.
Like you know there's no way

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this guy could be trying to
shoot him with guns, use about 4

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feet away either party.
Yes, but it's a it's fun, you

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know, it's I still watch it and
enjoy it.

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And, you know, my favorite part
of that movie hands down, is the

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first, you know.
Try the first like, two, three

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minutes in the flight sack.
Oh, yeah.

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I would you could put that on
Loop and I wouldn't get sick of

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it.
I don't think it's a spoiler to

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say that they recreate that as
the opening to the new Top Gun

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2.
So you're going to get like, you

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know, the 4K version of that
when you watch the new one, I

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can't wait to beat the flight
that, you know, flying and the

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carrier and you know the
nighttime stuff wasn't wasn't

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always the most pleasant but the
daytime you could die.

442
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,600
Do that for for free.
I loved it.

443
00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,400
Is there a movie when you think
about, like all of the fighter

444
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,500
pilot movies out there?
Is there one that sticks out to

445
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:52,000
you as being the most
egregiously wrong of all of

446
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600
them?
Boy, you know, I this one I've

447
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,700
only seen once or twice maybe
like in this is probably been

448
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:59,900
three decades since I seen it
but the one that was admiring

449
00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:02,800
Eagle was pretty hard to watch.
I don't know if I know that one.

450
00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:09,100
Who's your you're better off?
You know, I take a one, the one

451
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,900
that I think I'm going to Amman
answer a different question.

452
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,400
Hope you don't mind.
Is that the one that I think

453
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,300
was, the biggest missed
opportunity was the Flight of

454
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,100
the Intruder because it the
story.

455
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:21,000
It's if you guys aren't
familiar, it's was a Danny

456
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,800
Glover was in it and there's
nothing, you know, late 80s.

457
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,400
Early 90s was Vietnam, actually
A6 Intruders, which is a vent

458
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,200
you my plan that I flew was a
variant of that, okay?

459
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,700
And big, ugly round nose Jet and
it's just it was a great story.

460
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,000
The book was really good and
then they just kind of tried to

461
00:22:38,008 --> 00:22:39,700
do it.
They made it a little too cheesy

462
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:42,700
and it just became like Such a
wonderful story that they just

463
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:44,900
completely torqued up in my
opinion.

464
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:49,300
But yeah, I don't know.
It's a and I love the old ones.

465
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,300
I love the old, you know, Battle
of Midway.

466
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,900
And those things, you know, I
can't get enough of those Old

467
00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:55,900
World War two babies.
I remember there was a movie

468
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:59,800
that that Clint Eastwood did in
the early 80s called Firefox.

469
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,000
You ever see that movie?
That's when he goes to Russia

470
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600
and like, yes, steals.
These still subjected like, read

471
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,300
your thoughts.
I don't remember a damn thing

472
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,800
about that movie except for the
fact that like I have never seen

473
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,900
faker, Green screen like in my
whole life you know at that

474
00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:16,800
point Eastwood's like 58 years
old.

475
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,000
So like just getting him in the
cockpit like he looks really

476
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,500
uncomfortable and then
everything behind him is just so

477
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,200
fake, but I guess what I'm
really trying to get at here is

478
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:31,600
I need you to give me like a one
to ten on the plausibility scale

479
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,300
of the scene in Independence
Day, where Will Smith is chasing

480
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:40,800
the alien through like the Grand
Canyon in his fighter jet.

481
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:43,100
You know, it's been a while
since I've seen that.

482
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,800
I will say that, just by the
way, you can have describes it.

483
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,400
I'm guessing plausibility is
kind of low from up my memory,

484
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600
come on.
But I will say that there's a

485
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,300
flying.
I will say this that we a lot of

486
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,800
us, you know, have and skin for.
They still do another still do

487
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,300
train for low-level flying.
So you know, will fly through

488
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,000
things like Canyons like
Washington state has some great

489
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,200
routes that you're flying
basically below the canyon

490
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,400
walls.
So there that is.

491
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600
I think I'm guessing they'd
probably Bleah, exaggerated how

492
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,700
tight the plank and turn without
pulling the Wings off.

493
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:19,400
But I, but, you know, flying
down low and canyons and things

494
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,600
like that.
And it's certainly, it's more of

495
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,200
a tactic for like, like
low-altitude Ingress into a

496
00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:29,700
target, try to below radar kind
of thing, but yeah, flying

497
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,400
flying low and maneuvering low
is very common and watch you.

498
00:24:32,408 --> 00:24:35,200
Do it often with more than one
airplane so you'll do two or

499
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,200
four airplanes together that are
can maneuvering down low.

500
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,700
It's pretty it's pretty fun,
especially when the fate of

501
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,600
mankind.
Kind is at stake like, you know,

502
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400
well, how I go about my entire
day.

503
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,400
I assume.
That's kind of this, kind of the

504
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,300
way it is.
You know, he's got always be

505
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,900
prepared.
All right, before we let you out

506
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,600
of here, I need your opinion on
one more movie and I'm going to

507
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,100
use you to settle a debate here.
Oh boy.

508
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,500
So we're in the middle of a
miniseries of Rob Reiner movies.

509
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,700
And, you know, we kind of try to
line things up a little bit with

510
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,500
national holidays.
So it just kind of worked out

511
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:10,600
that on Halloween, we had misery
his movie Misery with James

512
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,100
Caan.
And Kathy Bates.

513
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,900
And so I was like oh that's kind
of spooky would do that for

514
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:16,600
Halloween and then we had The
Princess Bride and A Few Good

515
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,900
Men and I said well let's wind
up A Few Good Men with the week

516
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,300
of Veterans Day because it's a
story about the Navy.

517
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:27,300
And Brad, gave me so much on the
episode about A Few Good Men

518
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:31,100
because he's like, this is
clearly a movie where the writer

519
00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:37,300
Aaron Sorkin is just trying to
like on the authority of the,

520
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:40,200
you know, the US Military.
And I said, I have a completely

521
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200
different take on This.
I feel like this is an inspiring

522
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,900
story of Tom, Cruise learning
what it means to become an

523
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,800
officer in the United States
military and like, embracing the

524
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,700
Integrity that an officer should
truly have.

525
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:58,500
And so, we went out a little bit
about like, is this a polemic

526
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:02,300
against the military or is this,
you know, Standing Up For What

527
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:05,300
the military should really be
and darn it.

528
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,600
If a Few Good Men, isn't a movie
that I can watch 100 times in a

529
00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:11,300
row and I'm so good.
I don't mean to put you The spot

530
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,000
here because I don't know how
long it's been since you've seen

531
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,900
it.
But when you think back on that

532
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,800
movie, like what's your read on
that film?

533
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,900
You know, that's, and I've never
thought of it in those terms but

534
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,800
my read would be.
I think I would probably agree.

535
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,300
Sorry, Brad.
I think I probably agree more

536
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:30,600
with you Bob and then I think
that ultimately, it was, you

537
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,700
know, highlighting probably more
of the good and the bad and the

538
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,600
military there obviously, is
that element of how its kind of

539
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,300
systemic, you know, problem in
the movie where, you know,

540
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,200
people were It was abused and
murdered and it was covered up

541
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,600
and blah blah blah.
But I think that Yeah, I think

542
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,000
overall I think that they were
trying to show the positives of

543
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,700
a two-point him learning as its
kind of young attorney Harvard

544
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,000
what he's a Harvard grad ride
wasn't taking his time in the

545
00:27:00,008 --> 00:27:02,300
Navy.
Very seriously and skating his

546
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:03,900
way through because his dad had
done the same thing.

547
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:06,500
And you know, the kind of
learning point of yes, you know,

548
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:12,000
this is a very serious business
and 10 people, you know, and a

549
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,600
lot at stake and I think that
his realization of kind of the

550
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:18,900
Kind of gravity of what goes
with this position.

551
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,600
Was I think a good part of the
movie.

552
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,400
So I don't think I answered that
really, but I'd say that.

553
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,800
I think it more.
I lean more towards your view,

554
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Bob, but, but I think it also
does point out, you know, hey,

555
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,100
nothing's, perfect in the
military is not perfect.

556
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,900
And there are certain cultural
things that, you know, aren't

557
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,300
healthy, just like any
organization and those exist in

558
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,800
the military just like anywhere
else.

559
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,800
And that's part of the movie
too.

560
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,300
Well, I mean, you're entitled to
your opinion, Mark, but I don't

561
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:44,900
know if you're really a reliable
source on the military.

562
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,200
So, We're just going to throw
that opinion out.

563
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,500
This is going to become, you're
going to yeah, it's a real

564
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:57,500
character assassination.
Oh man, Mark, we're so thankful

565
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:01,600
that you've joined us today.
I am curious, I was reading

566
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600
about some of the philanthropic
things that you guys do as a

567
00:28:04,608 --> 00:28:07,200
veteran owned company.
Can you can you quickly hit on

568
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,100
some of those things and
highlight anything that's coming

569
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,400
up for you guys that you want
to, you want to promote?

570
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,100
Well, I appreciate that.
Thank you.

571
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:16,300
So, a couple of things you get
to your point, we do.

572
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,700
As a company, we try to support
a lot of philanthropic causes in

573
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,500
the ones that are nearest and
dearest to us tend to resonate

574
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,800
with our Target, tend to revolve
around military service members

575
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,500
and things like that.
The biggest one we do is we work

576
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,500
with the organization called,
Fisher house foundation, which

577
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,100
think of it like Ronald McDonald
House for veterans.

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,800
So when, you know, ill or
wounded service members are

579
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,300
being treated at, you know, VA
hospitals or base hospitals, the

580
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,600
Fisher house, the family can
stay there for free.

581
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,100
For the duration of the
treatment.

582
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,200
So right now we're doing in the
markets that we're in which is

583
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200
about Maryland, d.c.
Delaware, New York, New Jersey,

584
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,700
Massachusetts and Colorado
accounts that take in a six case

585
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,600
stackable line, we had this
whole case leave, we give them

586
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,900
and we promote that $5, maybe
bottle will be donated by old

587
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,900
blind to to push your house.
So we loved it's a second year

588
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,200
doing it, we love it.
There's such a great

589
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400
organization.
We also work with the tailhook

590
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,700
Education Foundation, which
helps provide to college

591
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:21,100
scholarships to kids.
Ed's of following Naval Aviation

592
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,200
and Marine Corps Aviation.
But whether they were pilots

593
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Navigators or maintenance
Personnel.

594
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,500
So those are the two that we
work with the closest.

595
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,000
And, yeah, we feel really good
about that.

596
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,100
So thank you for bringing that
up and then, as far as what's

597
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,800
coming out, for those of you who
were in those markets, I just

598
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,100
mentioned, keep an eye out for
our old.

599
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,300
Oh Sherry finish, that just won
best American single malt.

600
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,600
Whiskey from Fred Minix, a
spotter.

601
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,000
Wow, a couple months ago.
And that'll be on the shelves in

602
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,300
those markets in November and
only limited amount.

603
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,100
But if you go to our website,
you know, old lunch be

604
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:56,800
ritsz.com, it was store locator
and we do our best to indicate

605
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400
where different products are so
people can hopefully find the

606
00:29:59,408 --> 00:30:02,100
bottle of head.
Like, well, Mark, this has been

607
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,000
just a fantastic conversation.
It's always, it makes our job so

608
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600
much easier when the person that
we're interviewing is as

609
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,600
charismatic as you are.
And I don't have enough positive

610
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,300
things to say about the company,
about the whiskey.

611
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,500
So just for me and Brad.
Thank you so much.

612
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,100
For being on the show today.
Well, thank you gentlemen, so

613
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,100
much.
This is a blast, you know, and

614
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,200
since I haven't decided by few
seconds left, I'm gonna I'm

615
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,500
gonna put you guys on the spot
here and I forget which, which

616
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:31,300
gentleman thinks that Jaws was
said, that Jurassic Park was a

617
00:30:31,308 --> 00:30:33,800
better movie than jaws.
And I just got to say when I

618
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:40,100
heard that on on your Highland
Park 12 podcast, I said I might

619
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200
come on, man.
All right, so you got, you got

620
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,500
one dig in against Brad and one
against me so I guess, Nothing

621
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,000
there that.
All right everybody this has

622
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,100
been Mark McLaughlin from Old
Line.

623
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,700
Spirits will be back on Monday
with another regularly scheduled

624
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,900
episode.
But until then I'm Bob book, I'm

625
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,300
Brad G and we'll see you next
time.