The Treasure of the Sierra Madre / Four Roses

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And so that's it.
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episode on Humphrey.
Bogart's classic.

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The Treasure of the Sierra
Madre.

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No.
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Robots radio presents in 1948
director, John Huston and star

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Humphrey Bogart, gave the world,
a tragic.

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Tale about the fruits, born out
of greed in 2019.

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We sample?
A flagship bourbon.

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That could be a gateway to
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The film is The Treasure of the
Sierra Madre, the whiskey is for

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roses and we'll review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast were each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And this week we're looking at

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the 1948 film.
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

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Brad.
I feel like this is one of those

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movies, you know?
It's one of my favorite older

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movies and I feel like it's had
such an impact on culture.

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And yet at the same time, it's
one of those movies that I don't

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think anyone has really heard of
before.

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Yeah.
I mean, I've watched the movie

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recently and I don't think I've
ever heard of it.

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Yeah.
It's just not one of those

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titles that comes up when you
hear the list of classic movies,

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it just doesn't come up in the
conversation with, you know,

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Citizen Kane, Casablanca
vertigo.

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And yet it's just as highly
regarded as any of those movies,

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you know, when Library of
Congress started.

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This thing called the national
film registry in 1989 to

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basically like preserve movies
that they thought were

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culturally important to the
United States.

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This movie was inducted in the
second year of existence for

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that thing.
So, it's like, people certainly

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hold this movie in high regard.
And yet, at the same time, I

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think if you ask the average
person on the street, like, name

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more than one movie that has
Humphrey Bogart in it.

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I don't really know if this
movie is coming out of their

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mouths.
Yeah, and it's, and it's really

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sad to see that because Cuz
honestly, I'll give myself away

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right now.
It's a really good.

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Oh, it's so good, it's one of my
favorites.

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So I'm glad to hear that, you
know, you hadn't heard of it and

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that you also really enjoyed
watching it Brad.

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What were your kind of initial
impressions of the movie as you

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went into it?
Did you have any idea what it

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was going to be about?
Did you know, the plot in

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advance for some reason just the
title and the cover art for the

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film kind of gave away?
The fact that it was gold mining

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or something about, you know,
striking it rich out.

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Wild West.
I didn't know that it was in

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Mexico, even though you probably
could have gotten that from the

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title Sierra Madre.
Well, that's okay.

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We forgive you for that.
Well, you know, but yeah, a long

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story short.
I went into this movie without

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many expectations.
I didn't know what was coming my

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way and I was blown away.
I think one of the things that

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makes it difficult to be
accessible to the common public

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is just the fact that I don't
know man, old movies or just

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made so very differently than
modern movies.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And I think that really comes
out in this film.

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Yeah, and I noticed it in the
way that John Huston, the

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director kind of put this movie
together as well.

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He wasn't making this movie in
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you would have seen movies made
at that time.

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This was actually one of the
very first movies, ever to be

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filmed almost entirely on
location outside of the United

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States.
They went to Mexico.

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They were roughing it, you know,
kind of in the wilderness out

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there.
John Huston kind of prided

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himself on being like a
rough-and-tumble guy and he made

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All of his actors go out hiking
with him in all of these scenes

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and this movie was like,
exorbitantly expensive, because

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of that.
But you see it also in the way

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that Houston kind of directs a
scene like I don't know how to

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explain it but it almost struck
me as like a foreign film.

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The way that the first couple
scenes are pasted, it was like

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lots of cuts.
Lots of weird camera angles as

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you get the feel for what this,
you know, City street in Tampico

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and Mexico, looks like and you
just immediately are put into

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this world where or like whoa,
old movies, don't usually flow

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like this.
There's something different

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about this one and that's truly.
Thanks to director John Huston.

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He now correct me if I'm wrong.
He was the director for African

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queen.
Correct.

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Yeah.
He directed The African Queen.

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And then before this his first
film as biggest most

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well-remembered film would be
the Maltese Falcon, which he

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also did with Bogart, right?
And so would you say that one of

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Houston's legacies is the fact
that he really promoted the

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format of actually filming in a
location that truly Slate's to

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the viewer.
What it's like to be in a

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foreign country.
Absolutely.

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Yeah.
And I mean, you just can't beat

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the authenticity.
And I think part of that is why

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this movie has such a different
feel because, you know, when you

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watch a Casablanca or any movie
made in that era, you know, your

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mind doesn't know it, but you're
watching something that was

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filmed on a soundstage and all
of the camerawork reflects that

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whereas in this movie like when
you're watching, somebody walk

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up the side of a mountain you're
watching.

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Someone walk up the actual side
of a mountain and no matter what

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kind of fancy camera work, they
try to do.

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Do there's only so much that you
can work around nature.

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And so, it really does give this
film a completely different vibe

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and feel like throughout the
whole thing.

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Yeah, the scene that I think of
when you talk about that is when

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the fourth member of their group
briefly joins them and they're

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ready to kill him, but then he
points out.

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Hey, there's there's Bandits
coming up the mountain and they

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give you that beautiful camera
shot of the entire mountain and

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you see the Bandits on horses?
Yeah, you know a few miles away

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Right.
And and that shot gives you the

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sense of how big the the set is
that you're not on a soundstage

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at, you're actually out in
nature and it gives credibility

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when, you know, Walter Huston
says, well, it'll probably take

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him an hour to get here.
We should probably eat some food

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for.
Yeah, right, right.

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And that like make sense, you're
like, oh yeah, they're really

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far away.
It'll probably take him an hour

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to get here, so I don't want to
go too far into the details of

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the plot especially for people
who are listening to this and

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haven't seen the movie yet.
So why don't we hit the X right

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Brad explains.
The Treasure of the Sierra

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Madre, I think that we might
need to rename the segment Brad

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spoils.
The Treasure of the Sierra

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Madre, dad spoils the movie
that's 71 years old.

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That's right.
Oh yeah, we forgot to mention.

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This is the 71st anniversary.
It's a big one, it's a major

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Milestone.
You're the worst just do Brad

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explode.
So The Treasure of the Sierra

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Madre is a movie that It's off
by basically just following

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Humphrey Bogart, around a town
in Mexico and he's just a hobo.

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He's a Drifter that ask people
for money and he ends up,

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striking it rich with the
lottery.

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And with that money, he decides
that.

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Hey, I should probably take this
money by some donkeys and

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equipment, and go prospecting
with my other hobo friend.

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And this crazy old man, we found
in a bar who talked to us about

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prospecting.
I mean, that's pretty much.

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Much does that set?
Our, that's the setup for the

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movie and then, that's, that's
the entire set of.

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Yeah.
And then, where it goes from,

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there is essentially, you know,
everything that Walter Houston's

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character, Howard.
And that would be the crazy old

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man that they find.
He basically gives this speech

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about the, you know, the power
of gold to corrupt people and

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what happens to people's, you
know, psyches as they go out and

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try to Prospect.
And the rest of the movie is

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that basically becoming a
prophecy and coming true and you

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watch these three men go Into
the Wilderness and slowly lose

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their minds as they look for
gold.

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Yeah, and the, the movie
succeeded, I think the only

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reason the movie is good is
because the three main

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performers in the movie Walter
Huston, Humphrey Bogart.

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And I can't remember the third
guys name, it's Tim Holt, Tim

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Holt, they turn in three of the
best performances.

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I think I've ever seen, they're
all fantastic and the great

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thing about the roles that
they're playing is, you know,

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they're not all Super complex
characters, like you get the

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sense from the beginning that
Bogart's character is this loud.

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Brash kind of morally.
Corrupt guy, that's capable of

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doing bad things and that's
exactly what he becomes.

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You know, Walter Houston's
character is the Wise Old

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Prospector who seems, you know,
insane, but is the most sane one

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of all, and then, Tim Holtz
character and I actually think

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Tim Holt is the character that
anchors the movie down because

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he ends up becoming who we as
the audience latch onto, because

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he's the only One that kind of
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heart throughout the movie.
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For sure.
The the moment that you really

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latch onto him as a character is
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happens and he almost turns and
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So they're, they're like they're

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just starting their sort of
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They've like they've basically
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the mountain and it caves in on
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And you're right Brad, you get
this wonderful scene.

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Scene where Tim hold is like
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Dobbs, which is Bogaerts
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And for just a second, he turns
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sense of like, oh, gold is
starting to corrupt, even this

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guy and then all of a sudden,
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of like the camaraderie theme
that you've heard through the

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whole movie and he runs back
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Humphrey Bogart.
It really is it's a great beat

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in the movie.
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And that I will say that brings
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It is so much more obvious.
What the director wants you to

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feel with music?
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I almost I kind of wanted to
talk about this too, because I

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almost feel like the music in
this movie is too much and like

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it's really catchy.
I love all the different themes

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but it beats you over the head
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Yeah.
But I guess the thing for me is

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I feel like that happens in a
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For sure, the music is, is just
be like you said, it beats you

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over the head with like this is
how you should feel, and we

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talked about on the waterfront
of few weeks ago, I felt very

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similarly about that movie, that
whenever you were supposed to

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feel good, you had a nice
upswell in the music whenever

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you supposed to be scared.
There's a nice little you know

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up and down wavery.
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What's going to happen next?
You know piece of the music

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right?
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they just hit you over the head
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you should feel.
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this is where Houston's
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shine because he makes the
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people did back then to
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really crucial moments.
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there's a really suspenseful
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exactly when to make it just
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three or four times in the
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One of the first times that it
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were referring to this earlier.
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where one of the characters
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Tim Holtz character has to go
down into town and buy supplies

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and someone notices him down
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mountain and tries to become
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sitting around the campfire that
night and Tim Holt is recounting

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to the other two guys.
Yeah, I think that guy followed

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me and all of a sudden, the
music cuts out and you see that

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the guy standing right there by
his camp and you have no idea

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what's going to happen.
But the tension is so ratcheted

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up because you do get rid of
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Music and you're left with
nothing but the silence that all

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these guys are sharing with each
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think mimics real life.
Oh crap moments.

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Yeah, we're, you know,
obviously, we don't all run

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around with music playing in our
head but if we did, they would

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stop when we feel like we got
caught doing something, we

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shouldn't be doing or we're in
trouble for something you don't

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know, I mean solutely.
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So maybe this is a good time for
us to kind of walk back to the

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three lead performances that
we've been talking about.

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So we're talking about Bo.
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We're talking about Walter
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to start with Humphrey Bogart
because he is, you know, the

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major Hollywood star.
He's been at the top of the

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Heap, since Casablanca really
catapulted him into the

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stratosphere, and he takes a lot
of risks here.

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I mean, he's the villain of the
movie and yet he's the, he's the

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first person you see where
dropped into the movie and we

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think that we're going to be
sympathizing with and following

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his character of Dobbs, all
through the movie and really

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what the movies.
God is watching this guy Dobbs

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go from kind of you know a jerk
of a guy to being a completely

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insane murderer and for someone
of his stature to take on a role

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like that, I think was super
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Yeah, I think you could almost
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start of the movie and by the
end of the movie, he really does

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turn into this.
This murderous psychotic

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mumbling to himself crazy
person.

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That is the villain of the
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Who tried to kill the man who
Who saved his life.

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I know you for what you want for
a long time.

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I've had my suspicions about
you.

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Now, I know I've been a right
suspicions.

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Are you talking about?
Oh you're not putting anything

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over on me, I see right through
you for a long time.

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You had in your mind a bumping
off at the first, good

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opportunity and bury me out here
in the bush, like a dog.

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So she could take not only the
old man's good but mine and the

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bargain.
And when you get to Durango

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safely, you'll have a big laugh.
Won't you thinking how dumb the

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old man?
And I were make another move

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toward me and I'll pull the
trigger.

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I'll get your hands up.
Come on, get them up.

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Was I right?
Or was I you and your Sunday

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school?
Talk about protecting people's

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Goods.
You want.

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Stand up and take it like a man.
Come on, get up.

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You know, it's really funny as
you call him a lovable loser, at

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the start of the movie, and I
think maybe it's because I've

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seen the movie before that, on
this watch, I knew where his

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character goes.
But because he's the first

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person we see, I think the
audience tries to forgive some

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of his rough edges and, and try
to sympathize with him.

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But on a second watch, you can
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beginning.
The signs are all there of where

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this guy is going to go like the
the Mexican kid that comes in

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and tries to sell him the
lottery ticket.

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He's been out on the street
asking for meals from all the

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Americans and basically like
manipulating the same guy over

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and over to give him money.
And then this kid comes in to

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tries to sell him a lottery
ticket.

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And he says, get away from me,
you little beggar, and he, like,

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chases after him.
And it just shows how much Dobbs

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has absolutely no self-awareness
or is in denial of who he is.

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Like, he's clearly just as much
a beggar as this kid is, but in

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his mind, he's above that kid
and it comes out like the

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foreshadowing.
In this movie comes out time and

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time again, you know, when
they're all in, like the Flop

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House together.
And Walter Huston is saying,

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I've seen what gold will do to
people, you'll never stop

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wanting more.
And Dobbs kind of drunkenly says

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like, you know, I would only get
what I set out to get, you know,

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immediately like that's BS and,
you know, watching it a second

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time, you know, exactly that.
He has no idea what he's in

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store for.
Yeah, I suppose that's one of

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those situations where You kind
of see his character during

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rough times, but when the true
difficult Hard Times come out,

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you see that, who he always was,
is what comes out in the hardest

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of times.
Yeah, definitely.

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So the big thing for me, with
this movie about Humphrey

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Bogart, as an actor, this movie
actually made me very glad that

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I gave Casablanca a nine and a
half.

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Why is that?
I looking back on Casablanca, I

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really struggled with You know,
shy to give it a 10, it's such a

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great movie.
I don't think Humphrey, Bogart,

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turns in half as good of a
performance in Casablanca.

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As he does, in The Treasure of
the Sierra Madre.

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You know, I would agree that his
his performance here is the

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better performance.
I also think it's the showier

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performance, so we're kind of
looking for it a little bit, but

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I'm in complete agreement with
you Brad.

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This is in my opinion, like the
best performance of Bogaerts

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career.
Yeah.

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And you get it right away, he
actually like raises his voice.

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Like it.
In all of Casablanca.

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He just kind of uses this low
Gravely.

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Like he almost sounds drunk the
entire movie of just like, oh,

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what are you doing in my bar of
all?

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The Gin joints?
Yeah, I'm Han.

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So it's going to say, I love how
he sounds like elderly Harrison

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Ford it.
Yeah, for sure.

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But like in this movie he
actually gets excitable any any

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any speaks loudly?
And he speaks softly and he he

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just works the camera.
And he works his voice in such

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different ways that I love this
performance by Bogart even with

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him being the villain.
Yeah, definitely and it's not

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the only show we performance in
the movie because you've got

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Walter Huston there.
As the old man Howard who is

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like every bit chewing, the
scenery as Bogart is.

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What did you think row?
What did you think of Houston's

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performance bro?
He is Hamming.

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It oh yeah, I mean he just like
you said, he Just choose the

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scenery up.
He doesn't care what's happening

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around him.
He knows what his line is and he

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knows the type of character he
needs to be and he throws it in

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your face every time he laughs.
Every time he delivers a line, I

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mean, he's just spot-on.
And it's funny because I feel

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like I've seen this character a
hundred times, but then when you

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trace it back, they all have
their origins in this Walter

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Huston character.
Like we I'd also I don't want to

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undersell his performance either
because it Fantastic.

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Yeah, he honestly reminds me a
little bit or I should say this

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other actor reminds me of Walter
Huston Joey Brown in Some Like

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It Hot so interesting.
Like the just the way he laughs

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and he hands it up and granted.
It's a comedy versus a drama.

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So it's different.
But like, just the way he hams

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up the older male character,
right?

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The it just screamed Walter
Huston to me.

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And the funny thing is, Walter
Huston had been, you know, he He

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was a classically trained actor
and he was an Oscar winner.

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He had been a leading man and,
you know, getting into his older

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years.
He still felt like he was

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leading man, and so when his
son, you know, the director John

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Huston, came to him and said,
Dad, I want you to play the

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supporting part and also you're
going to be playing like the old

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stinky prospector.
And also, I want you to take out

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your dentures in the course of
the movie.

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So, it seems more authentic that
he didn't think he could do it

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at first.
And so, it's kind of like, with

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Bogart.
They're playing But what people

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are used to seeing them play but
I think they do it to such

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incredible results.
That you don't question the

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decision that John Huston made.
I'm not going to Nazca and

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Canada and Colorado house with
the crowd in the British

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Honduras.
What made the fare back home and

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almost enough over to kill me
the fiery, red card doesn't

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California and Australia all
over the word practically.

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I know what Goldust Amanda
Souls.

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You talk is all you struck it
rich some time or other pop.

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How about it?
And what are you doing in here?

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The down in order to Gold?
That's what makes this never

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know, Prospect, he had to died
Rich, make own fortune, should

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have blowed in trying to find
another, I'm no exception to the

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rule.
Sure.

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I'm an Audubon now, would say,
don't you guys think the spirit

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gone, I'll set the shoulder
pickaxe, and shovel anytime

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anybody's going to share
expenses, rather go by myself.

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Go along the best way, but you
got to have a stomach for long.

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- some guys gonna do with it.
On the other hand going to

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partner to his dangerous.
Murderers, always lurking about

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Partners the kidneys out of all
sorts of crimes.

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Long as there's no find the
noble, Brotherhood will last,

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but when the piles of gold begin
to grow, that's when the trouble

448
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,400
starts.
Yeah.

449
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,200
So can I can I throw something
at you?

450
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,000
And you can confirm if I'm right
or wrong?

451
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600
Yeah, sure.
Toy Story tip.

452
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,100
The character is it.
Stinky Pinky Pete.

453
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,700
Tell me that he was not based
100% on Walter.

454
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,200
He's, it was totally a throwback
to treasure this year.

455
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,400
Madre like and, you know, the
Kelsey Grammer voiced isn't the

456
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,700
same as Walter Huston, but the
design of that character, 100%

457
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:21,600
Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Yeah, what, as I was watching?

458
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,100
Howard.
I was like, man, he just there's

459
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,300
something about him.
That seems so familiar.

460
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,000
And like halfway through the
movie, I put my finger on, I was

461
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,100
like oh it's Stinky Pete from
Toy Story. 2.

462
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:36,200
That's exactly right.
And, you know, you said that, he

463
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,200
was Hamming it up.
And I actually like, I think

464
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,500
that's probably the best way to
phrase it.

465
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,800
There's one point in the movie,
where I just cannot forgive

466
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,000
Walter Huston, or John Huston,
and it's like towards the end of

467
00:23:47,008 --> 00:23:49,400
the movie, you know, they're
getting ready to come in from

468
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,600
prospecting and cash in all
their gold and these Mexican

469
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,600
villagers come and say, there's
a sick boy, we need a Healer to

470
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,200
come and take care of him.
And so Howard's, like, well, you

471
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,300
know, I've got some experience
in that and he goes off with the

472
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:04,100
Villagers.
He saves the boy and the

473
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,200
Villagers make him stay so they
can honor him and treat him like

474
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200
a god basically.
And in this scene where they're

475
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,600
like, pampering him Walter
Huston like takes a puff off of

476
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,000
a pipe or he takes a drink out
of a coconut or something and he

477
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,100
looks right at the camera and he
like winks and goes blurry.

478
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:28,700
And I couldn't believe that in
the middle of the Super's

479
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:34,500
dispensable dark cynical movie
that this man looked Right?

480
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,300
Down the barrel of the camera.
Like a Bugs, Bunny cartoon, and

481
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,100
they left it in the movie.
It's unforgivable.

482
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:45,800
Yeah, I do not, I didn't
understand that either if that

483
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,700
had happened like at the start
of the movie.

484
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:48,400
Maybe.
Yeah.

485
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,000
But like, we're right in the
series part where it pulled me

486
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,700
out of the movie guard has.
Yeah.

487
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:59,500
Humphrey Bogart has just killed
Tim Holt In Cold Blood, right?

488
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,900
And you just have him Hamming.
It up winking at the camera we

489
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,500
can.
This young girl whose lighting

490
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,800
his pipe, it was the most like
whoa.

491
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,300
It was the most jarring thing in
the whole movie and yeah, it

492
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:12,900
really did.
Pull me out of the movie for a

493
00:25:12,908 --> 00:25:15,400
minute.
Well, it felt like an outtake.

494
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,400
That should have been left on
The Cutting Room floor or like,

495
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,900
you know, John Huston keeps it
for his private collection and

496
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,900
laughs with his dad.
When they watch that go.

497
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:25,700
Haha, I remember when you worked
at the camera and they just left

498
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,800
it in.
Yeah, that that was amusing to

499
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,900
me.
So, let's round out our

500
00:25:28,908 --> 00:25:30,800
discussion of the three main
actors here.

501
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,000
I want to talk about Tim Holt
for a minute as his name.

502
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,800
Is Bob curtain in the movie,
they call him curtain, the whole

503
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,600
movie, Jim Holt, in my opinion,
like I said earlier, he anchors

504
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,500
the whole movie down, he gives
the most grounded performance

505
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:48,200
and you kind of have to because
you can't be at the intensity

506
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,900
level of either.
One of those other two actors

507
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:54,000
like someone had to balance it
out and I don't think people

508
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,600
give Tim Holt enough credit for
what he does in this movie.

509
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,500
Yeah.
The depth of his character.

510
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:02,700
I think really is shown best at
the very end of the movie when

511
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,500
they've ridden back to Ruins and
they're looking for their gold

512
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,900
and Walter Huston, just loses
it.

513
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,300
And he's giving us that
ridiculous laughs.

514
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,300
And he finally just says he's as
ah, the Earth is taken back.

515
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:20,400
What we took from it, you know,
hahaha, that's so funny and you

516
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:28,000
see this this path from anger
and frustration to acceptance

517
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,900
and understanding.
Yeah.

518
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:35,100
In Tim Holtz face that any
regular, you know, No American

519
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,600
watching that movie would say,
yeah, I could do the same thing.

520
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,700
I could come to terms with
losing out on 35,000 gold,

521
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,500
right, right.
And there's something about that

522
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:48,900
character that he just.
He works the camera perfectly.

523
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,100
He he bounces off of Humphrey
Bogart.

524
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:57,100
So well like he's so calm and
cool and collected in the face

525
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:01,900
of Bogaerts Madness that you
just, he really does ground the

526
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:05,400
movie and anchor it in reality.
And he's the only one that they

527
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,500
really give these emotional
speeches to or I don't even know

528
00:27:09,508 --> 00:27:12,900
say emotional, but like hopeful
because, like, Howard gets a

529
00:27:12,908 --> 00:27:15,200
couple speeches where he talks
about what gold can do to a

530
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,600
man's soul.
But curtain is the guy who reads

531
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,600
the letter, from the fourth guy,
Cody's wife after we find out

532
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,500
that Cody's been killed by
Bandits.

533
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200
You know, he's reading about
like little Timmy wants you to

534
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600
come home and keeps asking
where's Dad?

535
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,900
And it's such a cheesy.
Seen.

536
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,600
But the way Tim Holt gives this
movie a little bit of like,

537
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,800
gravitas and emotion you buy it
coming from him.

538
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:47,400
Like he is the only thing that
gives this movie an emotional

539
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,700
punch because otherwise I feel
like it would be almost too dark

540
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:53,100
and too cynical to really
succeed.

541
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:56,900
Yeah, I feel like the three
characters are set up so

542
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,600
perfectly that they're all
they're almost like caricatures

543
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,000
of what we want to see, you
know, with Walter Huston.

544
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,700
You see the person who you, you
almost see this, this might

545
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,900
sound weird, but he's almost
like an Angelic figure that is

546
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,600
trying to send a message to
Humphrey Bogart and Tim Holt.

547
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,100
He comes in, he tells them the
danger of gold, he tells them

548
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,300
the danger of greed and then and
then he just lets them play it

549
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,900
out.
And you see and Humphrey Bogart.

550
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,500
And in Tim Holtz, the two
results that can happen.

551
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,200
You can be tempted by the gold
and turn away from it or or you

552
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,800
can be tempted by the gold and
given to the Mad.

553
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,300
Yes, yeah, definitely.
So Brad, you know, we have so

554
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:41,600
much more to talk about in this
movie.

555
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600
We haven't really gotten into
John Huston's direction.

556
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,200
We haven't talked about our
favorite scenes.

557
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200
We haven't analyzed what this
movie is all about, but I think

558
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,100
that in order to really get into
The Treasure of the Sierra

559
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:56,400
Madre, it's time for us to drink
a little bit of liquid gold.

560
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,500
What do you say we tried this
for Roses?

561
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,700
Yellow label, the only gold that
truly matters.

562
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,500
Amen.
Let's get To it.

563
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,600
All right, so today we are
checking out for Roses, yellow

564
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,900
label.
Now this is for like, just

565
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,400
standard for Roses, but they
call it yellow label.

566
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
It used to actually have a
yellow label.

567
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,100
They've redesigned the package.
It has this weird cream colored

568
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:24,900
label.
Now, I don't know, don't shoot

569
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,700
the messenger, but that's what
we're drinking today.

570
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,100
Brad.
What?

571
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,100
Why do you think it's for Roses?
Like, why not five roses?

572
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,500
I almost looked up the origin of
the name for Roses before we hit

573
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:41,000
record, but I did not do it.
So next time, We have four roses

574
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,900
on the show, I'll have an answer
for you but today I have no

575
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:45,500
idea.
Hey man, that's okay.

576
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:51,600
We all have our faults.
So for Roses clocks, in at 80

577
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,900
proof, the website says that
it's aged for a minimum of five

578
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:59,000
years.
It runs 2199 for a fifth in the

579
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,900
state of Ohio.
So it's a super affordable

580
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,600
whiskey.
Like I said, this is their

581
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Baseline standard whiskey.
Now, we have a fantastic friend

582
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,100
on Instagram, called bourbon in
college.

583
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:12,100
If you are not listening, Link
to his podcast, go check it out.

584
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:14,800
If you're not following Bourbon
and College on Instagram, go

585
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,500
follow him right now.
But Bourbon and college is

586
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,100
actually sent us four different
samples of Four Roses.

587
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,600
So maybe that's where the Four
Roses come from Brad, it

588
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,900
probably, they probably
rebranded after he sent us the

589
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,700
for saying that they knew
exactly what he was doing.

590
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,200
So he sent us a sample of their
standard yellow label.

591
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,700
He sent us a small batch.
He sent us a single barrel and

592
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,300
then he also sent us a small
batch select.

593
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,000
So at four different points in
the coming weeks, we will be

594
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,600
trying for different kinds of
Four Roses.

595
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Thanks to our friend bourbon in
college.

596
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,600
Yeah.
Tonight's drink goes out to my

597
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,800
boy Bourbon and college.
Go check him out.

598
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,600
All right, so let's get into it
Brad.

599
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,900
What are you thinking about
this?

600
00:30:55,900 --> 00:31:00,700
On the nose?
Ooh, it smells boozy doesn't

601
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,200
really smell boozy to.
You see?

602
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,200
I'm I'm smelling mine and I
don't, it actually doesn't give

603
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,600
me a lot at all.
It seems kind of low proof.

604
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,900
I mean, I know that it's only 80
proof.

605
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,000
But I don't smell a lot of
ethanol.

606
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,400
There's not a lot going on here.
I was just pulling your chain

607
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,300
Bob.
Well, my chain has been pulled

608
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,700
my friend.
So what do you actually think

609
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:25,500
about it?
I'm getting a little bit of like

610
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,700
vanilla and butterscotch.
That is so crazy.

611
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,900
I'm not getting any.
So I I have a lot of Oak.

612
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:37,600
Like I'm just smelling Oak
Barrel and almost like a like a

613
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,900
sea water.
Kind of smell like a saline.

614
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,300
Well but not a lot of vanilla.
Not a lot of brown sugar.

615
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,700
Not a lot of maple, it smells a
little bit spicy.

616
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:52,000
Like maybe there's a higher
rhyme Ash bill and I get a

617
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,900
little bit of fruit on it but
I'm not getting those classic

618
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,900
vanilla notes that you are.
Yeah, I don't understand that

619
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,600
for me right now I'm picking up
some of the vanilla I do.

620
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,100
Pick up a little bit of that
spiciness that you're talking

621
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,300
about.
I can I can sense that.

622
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,900
But yeah, a little bit of
vanilla and butterscotch.

623
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,700
I feel like so what kind of
score was Give it on the nose

624
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,100
Brad.
I'm gonna give it a seven on the

625
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,200
nose.
I think it has a nice pleasant.

626
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,700
It's not offensive.
It doesn't hit you very hard.

627
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,400
I like the nose pretty well.
Well, that's good.

628
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,700
I'm actually only going to give
it a 5 on the nose.

629
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:24,700
For me, it's just, it's not
doing it.

630
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,200
I I wish that there was a little
bit more complexity.

631
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600
I wish I was picking up some of
those things that Brad's picking

632
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,500
up, but for me, it's just a 5.
Yeah.

633
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:33,800
So what do you think about
taste?

634
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Let's give it a swig.
All right, so, first thing I'll

635
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,000
say is, it's really thin.
Yeah.

636
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,800
And it's not very sweet, it's a
little bit peppery.

637
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Like I get a little bit of a
tingle from it, and I don't

638
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600
think that's the alcohol.
I think that, you know, like we

639
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,500
said, there might be a little
bit more Ryan this than we're

640
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,800
used to, but I'm just getting
tons and tons of Oak.

641
00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:00,500
This tastes underaged.
And I'm surprised that it says

642
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,200
that it's five years minimum
because I would have sworn, this

643
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000
was like a two-year whiskey.
Just it, it tastes like Oak,

644
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,700
that hasn't mellowed.
Yeah, I would totally agree with

645
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:11,400
that.
It's a little bit thin.

646
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,700
You can tell it's watered down
to 80 proof and I still taste a

647
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,700
hint of the vanilla and
butterscotch.

648
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,900
But I'm getting more of that
pepper and more of that Oak that

649
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:26,400
you smelt on the nose.
I will say the second and third

650
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800
sip of this I really really like
it's an easy sipper and that's

651
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,300
because it's 80 proof.
It doesn't have a ton of

652
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,600
character on it but it's not
bitter.

653
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,500
It's Unpleasant.
It's not that astringent like

654
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,500
harsh ethanol taste.
It's just it just kind of tastes

655
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,600
like it hasn't been aged long
enough.

656
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,100
I don't know how else to explain
it.

657
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,900
Yeah I would agree.
I think I'm going to give it a 6

658
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,800
on the taste.
It tastes fine.

659
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,500
It's solid.
It doesn't quite live up to the

660
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:57,300
nose but yeah, it's easy sipper.
That's the best way to describe

661
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,000
it.
I think I'm gonna give it a

662
00:33:59,008 --> 00:34:01,500
seven on the taste.
I don't dislike this.

663
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,500
It just doesn't really have a
ton of character, but again, for

664
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,100
an 80, Proof 21 dollar whiskey.
Like, what do you really expect?

665
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,600
So I like sipping on this.
I think it's something that I

666
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,300
could have a couple glasses of
and be satisfied.

667
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,100
So I'm gonna give it a seven on
the taste and that brings us to

668
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:22,900
finish which I kind of felt was
almost non-existent.

669
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,199
Like I said, it's not bitter.
It doesn't leave a bad taste in

670
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,600
your mouth.
It does have that sort of spicy

671
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:33,699
Oak flavor to it, but it
evaporates pretty quickly, which

672
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,000
if you're looking for a long
con, Lex finish, you're not

673
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,100
going to find it here, but if
you're looking for something

674
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,900
that you can just continually
sip on, this might be right up

675
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:43,699
your alley.
It just depends on what you like

676
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:46,199
on the finish.
I can't say anything that you

677
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,800
didn't just say, I mean, it's an
easy sipper.

678
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:52,300
It goes down, smooth.
It does not sit on your palate

679
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,400
for very long.
You could, you can almost feel

680
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,500
it evaporating, as you're
swallowing, it disappears pretty

681
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,900
quick, and that is a little bit
of a disappointment.

682
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:07,000
But for $21, I'd say it's about
Right on what I'd expect.

683
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,500
I would say the same thing.
Brad.

684
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,700
Do you generally consider
yourself to be a guy that enjoys

685
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,800
a longer finish or one?
That Fades pretty quickly.

686
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,100
That's actually a really hard
question.

687
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,700
I I don't know the answer to
that question.

688
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:22,200
Yeah.
I guess it depends on whether or

689
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,300
not you like the taste because,
you know, if it's like for me a

690
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:29,000
really heavily peated, Scotch
like those have super-long

691
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,200
finishes, but they just remind
me of how much I hated the

692
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
experience of drinking it.
So I hate the finish on those.

693
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,300
For sure.
And like when you have a ride

694
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:42,600
that's just you know 99% rye and
it sits on your palate 45

695
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,400
minutes after you're done
sipping on it.

696
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
I don't know if I enjoy that.
No same thing.

697
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,100
But again, I wish there was a
little more going on in the

698
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:53,000
finish on this particular
whiskey.

699
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,700
So I'm just going to give it a 5
on the Finish.

700
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,800
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a 6 on
the finish.

701
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:02,700
It lingers just long enough to
remind you what it did for you,

702
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:04,900
but it doesn't stick around for
very long.

703
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,200
All right, that brings us to
overall balance.

704
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,500
We're talking knows taste and
finish on this Brad.

705
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,100
How do you think the stacked up
when all things are considered,

706
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,200
you know, this is a really
well-balanced whiskey for all of

707
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,400
its pitfalls.
I think that the nose and The

708
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,900
Taste and the balance.
All, tell me exactly what

709
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,200
they're going to do up front.
They don't trick me into

710
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,700
thinking.
It's something that it is.

711
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:32,000
And I actually I'm going to give
it an 8 on balance, it's very

712
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,300
honest about what it is.
Yeah I'm going to do the same.

713
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,600
I'm going to give it an eight
like you said.

714
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,700
I'm not expecting a ton out of
this and I think that might be

715
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,800
kind of boosting my score a
little bit but no one part of

716
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,100
this stuck out, which says a lot
for a cheap whiskey because

717
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,000
usually either it's going to
smell too harsh on the nose or

718
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,400
it's going to taste too harsh or
it's going to finish too harsh,

719
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,300
but it was fairly mellow and
that may have something to do

720
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,600
with the 80 proof.
But I think it still says a lot

721
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,800
that it was consistent from the
time I nosed it to after I

722
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,400
swallowed it.
So I'm going to Head and give it

723
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600
an 8 on balance as well.
Yeah.

724
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,100
And when we come into the final
category of value, I think I

725
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,700
initially started to think man
like yeah this is pretty good

726
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:16,200
value but then I really started
to think about other Whiskey's

727
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,900
I've bought in the 2224 dollar
category and there's a lot of

728
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,600
other whiskies and Bourbons.
I think I'd rather be drinking.

729
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Yeah you wouldn't think that a
fifteen dollar and a twenty

730
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,600
dollar whiskey would be that
different but if this was

731
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,900
something that was like sitting
Sitting next to Jack Daniels or

732
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,800
Jim Beam on the Shelf at fifteen
to Seventeen dollars.

733
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,000
I would think this would be an
astronomical value.

734
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:47,400
But I mean, I paid or I guess
Bourbon and college paid as much

735
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,200
for this as we would have paid
for like a Weller Special

736
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,100
Reserve and we weren't super
high on Weller.

737
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,500
But at the price point I would
take Weller over this any day of

738
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:59,400
the week.
Yeah, for sure.

739
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,400
I think I'm going to give this a
6 on value.

740
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,700
It's not you know it's not fully
average.

741
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:08,600
It's Above average value, but
it's just, okay, yeah, I'm gonna

742
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,200
give it a seven on value.
I do think that it's definitely

743
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,400
above average, I still like it
for the price point, it's not

744
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,800
terrible.
I do wish it was a few dollars

745
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,100
cheaper, but it's not like
they're guiding people for what

746
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,400
they're providing.
Yeah, I totally agree.

747
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,000
So that brings me out to a 33
out of 50 Bob.

748
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200
What does that bring you to?
That brings me to a 32 out of

749
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,000
50.
Yeah, so we're like right on par

750
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,600
with each other.
I think we kind of think the

751
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,200
same The thing about this
whiskey, it's good, it's above

752
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,100
average, it doesn't sit with you
very long but it's a good easy

753
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,000
sipper.
Yeah, I mean we come out to a 65

754
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,900
out of 100 and you know when you
just look at the score it makes

755
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,000
it seem like this is a mediocre
whiskey.

756
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,600
I don't think that's the case at
all.

757
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,500
You know, most of our scores
have been in that 60 to 70

758
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,100
range.
Except for ones that we really,

759
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,500
really don't like.
And I think to say that

760
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:01,000
something is a 65 out of 100 and
you only have to pay twenty

761
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,400
Twenty-One dollars for it
actually says quite a About what

762
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,000
they're able to do at such a low
price point and at such a low

763
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,300
proof.
Yeah, and if you are looking for

764
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,800
an easy sipper, this would be
one.

765
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,500
I highly recommend and I guess
to get to our recommendation in

766
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,100
general.
I would recommend this.

767
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,700
I think it's a solid whiskey
that you should try at some

768
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,400
point.
Yeah, I would too.

769
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,700
And, you know, we're not going
to be trying these four

770
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,100
different samples of, for the
Four Roses line in consecutive

771
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,300
weeks.
But this makes me excited to see

772
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,000
what happens when we get into a
small batch when we get into a

773
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
singer single.
Barrel that are going to be at

774
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,600
higher proofs because what we're
getting at 80 proof, I'm really,

775
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,400
really excited about.
Yeah, and it excites me that big

776
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,000
companies are willing to make
products like this that are

777
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,200
still really high quality, but a
little bit lower on the price

778
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,100
because I think it's easy to get
into this attitude of.

779
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,400
Well, if I can't spend $100 on a
bottle of, you know, liquor then

780
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200
it's not worth it for me.
Well, not many people can do

781
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,200
that.
Most people are in the category

782
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,800
of I'm looking for something I
really want to enjoy but my

783
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,500
budget for, you know,
non-essentials isn't super high.

784
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,400
So what can I enjoy?
And if you're if you're in that

785
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,300
category, go buy some, you know,
for Roses, yellow label.

786
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Absolutely well, we both
recommend.

787
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,700
I actually really enjoyed that.
Thank you again to Bourbon and

788
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,700
college.
Brad.

789
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,400
What do you say?
We get back into talking about

790
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,300
The Treasure of the Sierra
Madre.

791
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:35,300
Let's do it.
So that was for Roses, yellow

792
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,200
label, Brad and I both
recommending it and Brad, and I

793
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,500
both recommend this movie
Treasure of the Sierra Madre,

794
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Brad.
There's a lot of different

795
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600
directions we can go, but I just
want to take a minute and talk

796
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,100
some more about John Huston's
Direction in this movie.

797
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,500
One of the things that I'm
shocked by every time I watch

798
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:57,400
this movie, it's not just that
it's a really dark kind of

799
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,400
cynical movie.
But it's that the only word I

800
00:41:01,408 --> 00:41:04,700
could think of to write down in
my notes was It'll it's just

801
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,100
there's such brutality in this
movie and it doesn't have that

802
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:14,500
sort of Classic Hollywood Sheen
of the violence is covered up

803
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,000
and you don't see anything.
I mean you get it like really

804
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,800
early on in the movie when
Bogart and Tim Holtz characters

805
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,800
have been working like hard
labor for this guy who's

806
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,500
supposed to pay them and then
stands them up and they find him

807
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,600
they track him down in a bar and
they just beat him to a pulp and

808
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,300
that fight scene goes on for
like Four minutes, and it's

809
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:39,100
literally like it was like a
Goodfellas stomping of this guy

810
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,600
and it happened like
40-something years before.

811
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Goodfellas was filmed, I was
shocked at how brutal that fight

812
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,400
scene was, oh, for sure.
And I think, I think maybe that

813
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,500
scene is, why you have hope for
Humphrey Bogart's character

814
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
because they didn't just robbed
the man blind.

815
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,100
They took the money that he
said, he would pay them for

816
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:02,000
working on the oil rig, and then
they left him the rest.

817
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,800
And then they paid the bartender
and says, Ed.

818
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,300
Hey, thanks for the use of the
bar.

819
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,600
We apologize.
We're heading out.

820
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,000
And so there's that kind of hope
that he's not just going to you

821
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000
know be a greedy son of a gun
that he's actually a decent

822
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,200
person at heart.
You know.

823
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,700
I thought about that seen a lot
after it and I part of me

824
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,200
wonders though if it's because
Tim Holt was there with him

825
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,700
because he pulls the money out
of that guy's wallet and he's

826
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,200
counting it out and he says
like, you know what does he owe

827
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,400
us 300 and then Tim Holtz says
yes.

828
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,300
And then he says okay and part
of me wonders if Fred see Jobs

829
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:39,100
had beat that guy up on his own.
Would he have felt the need to

830
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,600
be as upstanding?
Or would he have just robbed

831
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,700
that guy blind and I love that
you said Fred C Dobbs there.

832
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,400
I think one of the best
caricatures of his character is

833
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400
when Humphrey Bogart says a few
times throughout the movie.

834
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,800
Well I'm Fred C Dobbs and I have
my rights and he says it like he

835
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,100
is somebody like you're supposed
to know his name, right?

836
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600
But just going back to that
fight scene, you know the first

837
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,000
First thing, I wrote down in my
notes was about the guy that

838
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,600
they beat up because he starts
the fight, he knows he's

839
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,600
cornered and he hits, I think
Bogart like over the head with a

840
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,600
bottle and the first thing I
wrote was, why would that guy

841
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,500
throw a punch against two guys?
Like knowing he's going to lose

842
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,900
and I came to the realization
that like this fight.

843
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:27,700
Scene is a foreshadowing of the
whole movie because that guy is

844
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:31,700
so greedy and so protective of
his money that he will get

845
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:35,300
himself in a fight that he knows
he And win just to try to

846
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,500
protect what little bit of money
he has.

847
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,100
And it shows early early on the
lengths, people will go when

848
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:46,100
they become obsessed with wealth
with money with gold.

849
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,100
It was actually a really, really
interesting piece of

850
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,000
foreshadowing that you might not
have seen like on first glance.

851
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:55,800
Yeah, I really was interested by
John Huston's choice to split

852
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,400
the movie into that.
You have that foreshadowing.

853
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,500
I mean it's like 40 minutes of
the movie when he's kind of a

854
00:44:02,508 --> 00:44:05,900
hobo and he finds that At job
working on the oil rig and then

855
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:09,000
they beat that guy up and that
kind of transitions you into the

856
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,900
second half of the movie.
But like you said, the first

857
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:17,900
little bit of the movie is a
full, you know, foreshadowing of

858
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:21,400
what's going to happen in the
entire second half of the movie

859
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,900
and you're right.
That is it's a brilliant use of

860
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:27,400
foreshadowing that you don't
even realize until after the

861
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,500
movie when you're talking about
it on a podcast.

862
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,800
Yeah for sure.
And I think part of that goes

863
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,000
back to the fact that this movie
was a Opted from a novel of the

864
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,300
same name and as you watch it
play out on screen.

865
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,800
You really do understand that.
Like yeah this definitely came

866
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,500
from a book because if this was
an original screenplay I can

867
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,200
just see some.
You know, some executive

868
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,100
somewhere saying, cut this cut
this cut.

869
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,900
This get us out into the
Wilderness quicker, but they

870
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,600
really take their time.
Setting up the themes of the

871
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
movie and as you watch it, you
may not understand exactly where

872
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,300
it's going because it does seem
like it takes forever to get out

873
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:04,400
there.
But Once they get out there,

874
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,700
they can get you plunged really
quickly into the greed, the

875
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:12,200
suspicion, the denials the
frustration, the jealousy

876
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,900
because they've set those things
up so well on the front end of

877
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,000
the movie.
Yeah, I will say one of my

878
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,600
frustrations with the movie is
that there are certain times

879
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,400
where Humphrey Bogart's
character makes assumptions.

880
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:28,400
That I I just shake my head at
and I'm like man like you're

881
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,400
jumping at shadows and not in a
way that would make any logical

882
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,700
sense.
But Maybe that's the whole point

883
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,900
is to say that you know, the
Greed for gold brings about

884
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,900
Madness and you know illogical
thinking, I don't know, I

885
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:44,600
struggle with some of those
scenes as well and for me it was

886
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,800
because I didn't think the
writing was fantastic.

887
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,900
Like the dialogue didn't sound
natural and Bogart does his best

888
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:54,400
with that but there's so many
times where he's like ah yes I

889
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,500
see that your plan all along was
for me to get descended upon by

890
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:01,600
Bandits and it's like who thinks
to talk like that when you

891
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,500
haven't slept in four hours?
Yeah.

892
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,700
Yeah, that that is the best way
of putting it.

893
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:09,600
A lot of the dialogue just felt
stilted whenever he was getting

894
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,800
angry and upset about things but
I will say that I do think from

895
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,100
a director standpoint Houston
does such a good job of

896
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,700
introducing this kind of
creeping sense of dread that you

897
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,000
know, something's coming and it
really happens well in the

898
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,300
close-ups that he uses like I'm
thinking about the shots in one

899
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,600
of the first nights when they're
all back in the tent and they

900
00:46:32,607 --> 00:46:35,200
decide to split.
All the gold up three ways and

901
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,700
you see Walter Huston pouring
the gold into the bags and

902
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,400
they're all watching the bags.
They they're already like

903
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,600
licking their lips, looking at
this gold and then you see their

904
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,600
eyes dart back and forth to each
other.

905
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,700
And it's like they're already
suspicious of each other.

906
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:55,200
And, you know, like, right from
that point on, there's no way

907
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,300
this can end.
Well, yeah, there's something

908
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,600
about the directing in this
movie.

909
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,100
I loved the, the phrase you use
the creeping sense of dread

910
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,300
this.
V really reminded me of an

911
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:10,000
Alfred Hitchcock movie it with
his use of Silence, with his use

912
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000
of, you know, slight bits of
humor to like offset.

913
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,500
The, the horror that, you know,
is about to unfold like, the

914
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:21,600
entire time, you know, something
bad is going to happen and it's

915
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,600
a suspenseful movie and I
haven't seen a suspenseful movie

916
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,800
like that outside of many
Hitchcock films.

917
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,300
I actually think that's a really
good comparison because

918
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,400
Hitchcock, really like to toy.
With the audience.

919
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,100
And, you know, a lot of times
you walk that fine line between

920
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:41,300
really suspenseful horrific
things and really Darkly funny

921
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:45,500
things and I feel like there's
one scene in this movie, you

922
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:49,100
know, the scene where they've
all hidden their goods out in

923
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,200
the wilderness.
And they don't want each other

924
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,500
to find out where all their
goods are hidden and one night,

925
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,600
you know, one of the characters
wakes up and one of the other

926
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,500
characters is you know, out
relieving himself or something

927
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:03,800
and it starts this scene where
each guy has to get up and go

928
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,300
out and check on whether his
goods are still there.

929
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,000
And then the other guys are
waking up and getting suspicious

930
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,300
and at its core.
That's a comedy scene.

931
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,700
Like, that's the kind of thing.
You would see in like a Marx

932
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:18,500
Brothers movie, but Houston,
takes it and the actors play it.

933
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,900
So straight that it plays for
suspense.

934
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,200
It's a really, really
suspenseful scene but at its

935
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,500
heart like it's actually a
comedy routine.

936
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:30,500
Oh, for sure, there, you could
see the Three Stooges doing that

937
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,400
exact same scene, but they'd be
moving a lot faster.

938
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:35,500
And everybody would be laughing
at them.

939
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,700
Yeah for sure.
Houston uses it but Houston uses

940
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,800
it in such a way that you you
just kind of feel it's creeping.

941
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,100
Dread of, you know, is one of
them going to shoot each other

942
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,700
in the middle of the night, you
know, what's going to happen and

943
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,700
I think that kind of gets us
into like our final analysis on

944
00:48:50,707 --> 00:48:52,400
the movie.
You know, I've said a couple

945
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200
times at this is a really
cynical movie and I don't know

946
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
if cynical is the right word,
but I've spent a lot of time

947
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,500
trying to figure out the overall
message of the movie.

948
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,400
Is it just that greed corrupts
or is there something more?

949
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:07,200
Going on because you know Brad
hinted at this earlier in the

950
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,800
episode.
The end of the movie is that it

951
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,500
ends up that.
Humphrey Bogart tries to kill

952
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,200
Tim Holtz character Holt doesn't
actually die, but Bogart ends up

953
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,900
with all of the gold and then he
gets descended upon by Bandits.

954
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:24,500
They murder him, the bandits
don't recognize that.

955
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:26,500
The gold is what's actually in
the bags, they think.

956
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:29,900
It's just, you know, dust and
they scatter it to the winds

957
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:33,300
Walter Huston and Tim Holt come
riding into town and they find

958
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:35,300
out.
All their gold is gone and they

959
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:40,600
laugh at the irony of everything
and on face value, it kind of

960
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,300
seems like a really nihilistic
ending, like all of this has

961
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,100
been for nothing.
It doesn't really seem to give a

962
00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:51,700
lot of Hope about what all of
our work is for, in life.

963
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
I think that for me, I read a
more positive ending into the

964
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,500
movie that, you know, all the
wealth in the world is not worth

965
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:14,000
the value of your soul.
Oh boy, it's a great job paid on

966
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,300
this for the Lord or faint,
their nature, whatever you

967
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:18,600
prefer.
But whoever or whatever plan is

968
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,200
turned, the in a sense of humor,
the gold is gone back to where

969
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:40,000
we found it.
And Humphrey Bogart loses his

970
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,200
soul, to the corruption of
wealth.

971
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:47,100
And, you know, Tim Holtz is able
to resist that, and he's able to

972
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,300
go on to do good in the world,
you know, Walter Walter

973
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:52,500
Houston's character, says, hey,
I'm going to give you all the

974
00:50:52,508 --> 00:50:55,800
money that we get from selling
the donkeys and, and pretty much

975
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,100
everything that I have.
And why don't you go up to, to

976
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:05,000
Texas and call on the Widow of
Man that we kind of in a sense,

977
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,800
killed right?
And, you know, pay her respects

978
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,900
and tell her about how her
husband died.

979
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,400
And then why don't you go off,
you know, and enjoy what you

980
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,000
wanted.
Enjoy all along, which was

981
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,300
peaches and fruit season.
Yeah, and I think that a good

982
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,300
microcosm of that is even
earlier in the movie, when that

983
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:24,900
fourth guy, Cody dies and it
happens in the course of Bandits

984
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:28,600
coming to attack their camp, and
they fight all the bandits off

985
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,400
and they're like in the midst of
celebrating winning this battle.

986
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:34,700
Oh, and then they look down and
they remember that there's a

987
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,300
dead guy there at their feet and
it's there, you know, this guy

988
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:41,600
Cody and they just kind of look
at his dead body and say like,

989
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,100
oh, what are we going to do with
this and Bogart looks down?

990
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:48,600
And says, oh yeah, him and it
reminds you that in Dobbs is

991
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,200
eyes.
Human life, ultimately is really

992
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,400
cheap.
Like he doesn't care.

993
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,300
One, bit about that guy.
And then you see Tim Holt pull

994
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:57,600
the letter out of his pocket,
read the letter, it gives that

995
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,300
character a backstory and it
reminds you even at that point.

996
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:06,200
That there are some things that
are more important than the

997
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,900
pursuit of wealth, the pursuit
of gold and Dobbs, clearly

998
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:13,100
doesn't see it even if the other
two guys do and I think that

999
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:17,300
that truly is the moral of this
story is that there are, there's

1000
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,400
things more valuable in this
world than money and wealth.

1001
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,500
And that it's not worth giving
up your soul for something that

1002
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:30,200
is so transitory and you have it
one day and you lose it, the

1003
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,100
next and that the The important
things in this world are

1004
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:36,700
valuing.
Human life of caring for one,

1005
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:40,000
another of truly taking care of
one another in this life.

1006
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,700
And you see that in Tim, you
know, Tim Holt and you see the

1007
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:46,900
lack of it and Humphrey, Bogart,
and the movie tells you what

1008
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,700
each type of life gets.
Yeah.

1009
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,600
So Brad, why don't we go ahead
and score this bad boy out.

1010
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,400
I'm excited to hear what you
thought of it.

1011
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,100
What kind of a score?
Would you?

1012
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,600
Give this movie out of 10?
And would you recommend it?

1013
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,700
Yeah, I mean, starting with the
bad there are certain parts of

1014
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,300
This movie where, you know,
Walter Huston is hammin it up

1015
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,900
and he's looking at the camera.
He's also doing some sort of

1016
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:10,300
weird Medicine Man.
Ritual with this little boy,

1017
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,900
where he's raising his arms up
into town and like we didn't

1018
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:15,800
even talk about that.
Like that scene for me.

1019
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,400
First of all, it's like 48
minutes long.

1020
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:19,900
It's so long.
Yes.

1021
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:22,400
And, and when you look at what
he's actually doing, like,

1022
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,300
literally, all he's doing is
making the kid.

1023
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,000
Do like jumping jacks and that's
like his, that's his form of

1024
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,800
medicine.
Yeah, I Walter Huston knows how

1025
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,900
to do a magic.
That I have no clue about so

1026
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:38,200
there's certain things like that
and certain parts of Humphrey

1027
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Bogart's dialogue that we
already said was pretty rough

1028
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,100
when he gets kind of maniacal.
So it's not a perfect movie.

1029
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,500
However is it a 9 out of 10?
Yes.

1030
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,400
Like this is a phenomenal movie
it tells a good story and I

1031
00:53:53,408 --> 00:53:58,200
think it offers a very important
message that is applicable to

1032
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,600
All Humans in all times.
Yeah I'd go one step further.

1033
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,300
Than that, you know, this used
to be at one point in my life.

1034
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,300
This was like, in my top 10
movies of all time, I do think

1035
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:10,800
I've come down a little bit
since then, but I would still

1036
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,900
get this movie a 9 and a half.
You know, if you remove that

1037
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:18,800
ridiculous breaking the fourth
wall by Walter Huston and some

1038
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,200
of those lines of dialogue, like
you said, this movie is nearly

1039
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,000
perfect and it was doing
something at a time where

1040
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,500
movies.
Just didn't do it like filming

1041
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,600
on location getting into this
really, really harsh.

1042
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,100
Cynical.
Look at greed and the brutality

1043
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,200
of violence is stuff.
You didn't see in a movie in

1044
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
1948, and that I think is what
helps it hold up in 2019.

1045
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,800
So I'm going to give this movie
a nine and a half, that brings

1046
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,500
our average out to a 9.25.
So, I think we'd both definitely

1047
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,200
recommend this movie.
Yeah, highly recommend.

1048
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,800
And and like I said earlier, in
this movie about like, Clint

1049
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,000
Eastwood.
You don't have the gritty

1050
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000
realism of Clint Eastwood.
If you Don't have, you know, the

1051
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,300
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
for sure.

1052
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,100
But we want to know what you
think about this movie.

1053
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,100
So please give us a shout out on
social media Brad, where can

1054
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,000
they find us?
They can find us on all the

1055
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,500
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1056
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,400
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1057
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,800
We'll play your voicemail on
are.

1058
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Who knows?
We might even agree or disagree

1059
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,300
with you.
Our number is two one.

1060
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:27,700
Six eight hundred five.
Nine two.

1061
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:31,600
Three that's two one.
Six eight hundred five nine.

1062
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,400
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1063
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,500
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1064
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1065
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:42,200
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1066
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,900
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1067
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:47,200
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1068
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,200
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1069
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,700
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1070
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad, she will
see you next time.

1071
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,800
There is one thing I want to say
about Humphrey Bogart is there a

1072
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,400
way that I can like lead into
it?

1073
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,400
Or is it just going to be like a
random observation?

1074
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Probably probably a random
observation.

1075
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,100
You're so mysterious.
Yeah, you know me so.

1076
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,500
Well now I'm just going to say
he looks exactly like Hugh

1077
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:48,400
Jackman.
What he look.

1078
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Are you serious in?
Oh 100%, he looks exactly like

1079
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,700
Hugh Jackman with a beard.
You're insane man.

1080
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,400
Have you seen him without know?
He looks like a potato Humphrey

1081
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,800
Bogart or You Jackman Humphrey
Bogart Hugh Jackman looks like

1082
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,800
he was chiseled by the gods.
What do you Humphrey?

1083
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Bogart looks like if you if you
melted the plastic on a mr.

1084
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Potato Head.
And then left a man and then

1085
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,000
left it to baked in the hot.
Mexican Sun for months for 10

1086
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,400
months.
In a gold mine.

1087
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,700
Exactly.
If you just look at his face in

1088
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:26,900
this movie, he looks exactly
like Hugh Jackman with a beard.

1089
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,300
I'm gonna make a pull out of
this audience to Graham, we're

1090
00:57:29,308 --> 00:57:31,500
gonna see what people think this
is going to be the outtake for

1091
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:37,400
this episode perfect.
Hello.

1092
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,500
Hi.
Do you like bad movies?

1093
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,200
Do you find yourself defending
bad movies saying things like?

1094
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:46,200
Well, the soundtrack was, okay,
or the costumes were pretty fun

1095
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,500
from the previous host of.
It's not that bad podcast.

1096
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,500
We bring you fresh tomatoes, the
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1097
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,500
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We review two movies that did

1098
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,000
not do well critically.
What we say, hey, there are some

1099
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,700
nice things about them, maybe
Rotten Tomatoes was wrong, maybe

1100
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:01,600
they're all fools, and you
should watch these movies,

1101
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,300
regardless.
We'll also talk about seems they

1102
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,000
could have saved it and will
often refer to some owns cats.

1103
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,300
Because they're amazing and
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1104
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,300
And at the end of each review,
we will tell you whether we

1105
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:12,800
would watch this movie again.
Aaron what circumstances we

1106
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,100
would recommend you watch this
movie.

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So join us on July 9th for the
first drop of our main episode

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and then two days later for our
drop of our many sides and on

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robots, Radio podcast Network
come.

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See us on July 9th.
We love you so much already.

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Bye.