Godzilla Minus One (2023) / Hardin's Creek Jacob's Well Bourbon

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In 2023, director Takashi
Yamazaki and star Rianosuke

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Kamiki gave the world a chilling
return to the Kaiju that just

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won't quit.
In 2025, we try a whiskey that,

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like this movie's creature,
rises from the deep.

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The film is Godzilla -1.
The whiskey is Hardens Creek

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Jacob's well.
And we'll review them both.

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This is the film and Whiskey.
Podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
And I'm Brad Gee.

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And this week we're looking at
the 2023 film Godzilla -1 Brad,

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even before I dive into how
excited I am to talk about this

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movie with you, I need to give
some behind the scenes

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logistical, you know, set up
here.

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You know the fans love a good
BTS Bob.

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Dude, listen, I am currently on
the road for work.

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I am in a hotel room and I am
talking into my microphone

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without my nice fancy acoustic
deadening box, and I'm speaking

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through an old undershirt that
I'm holding up to the microphone

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to try to deaden some of my
plosives here.

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So let's just say not ideal
question mark.

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Dude, you sound great.
I it's it's ridiculous that you

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even have to say that, Bob,
because your voice in the most

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echoey room in the world would
still be the light that could

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bring any of us home.
Well, luckily I am in the most

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echoey room in the world, and
you also decided that the best

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time to record this episode was
at 7:55 in the morning.

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My time.
So your boy is tired.

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Your boy's voice is not awake
yet.

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It's the perfect time to review
movies and to drink whiskey.

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Absolutely.
And not only did I put you

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through all that, I also threw
you a curveball last night, Bob,

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You sure did.
I decided that for this episode,

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we desperately needed a third
voice.

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I want to introduce film Whiskey
Nation to one of my favorite

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people in the world.
If I had to give the title of

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Doseki's World's Most
Interesting Man to any of my

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friends, it would be to Michael
Calingis, noted Godzilla lover

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who is wearing Mothra underwear
currently.

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Welcome, Michael.
Thanks, Brad.

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These things are quite
comfortable and you've put me at

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ease even further.
So we're ready to go.

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Thanks for having me.
I need to hold on one second,

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Brad.
I need to inform our listeners.

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We can't see his underwear right
now.

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We like he just told us that
he's wearing such underwear.

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I I don't know this man.
He just showed up today and I

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immediately learned about his
undergarment choices.

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So I'm still feeling out this
dude.

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Michael, welcome into film and
whiskey.

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I have to say immediately
though, Brad reached out to me

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and was like, hey, I've got the
perfect guy who can add some

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much needed context to our
episode about Japanese film.

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And I was like, oh surely this
man is at least of Asian

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descent.
Nope.

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Whitest guy I've ever seen in my
life.

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So I don't, I don't really know
what he's bringing to the table

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that not only the two of us
Caucasians can't bring Brad.

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Not only that, this man, I this,
this is how much I like Michael.

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He's from Michigan.
Oh man, And he and I still enjoy

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him quite a bit. 2.5 strikes
against the sky already here.

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Yeah, I am really struggling.
Please do not throw the

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curveball.
I, you know, I sent towards you.

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I, I just like most white men in
America, love Japan, but I also

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was just, I grew up with the
movies a little bit.

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So my uncle like introduced me
right away and said we're going

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to watch one of the best movies
of all time.

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And that start out was Attack of
the Giant Ants.

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And that's how I got introduced
to cinema through my uncle.

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And it was, it was perfect.
So then he was a huge Godzilla

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fan.
But you know, the underwear just

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helps me really focus.
They say dress for the job you

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want, and I really thought that
what could be closer to my heart

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than the Mothra underwear,
right?

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It really focuses centers, bring
the whole thing together.

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They always say the way to a
man's heart is through his

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underwear.
So, you know, we're there now,

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guys, we've we've arrived at
this very awkward moment for all

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of us.
Brad, listen, I've been trying

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to get you to watch this movie
since it came out in theaters in

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2023.
I had heard really good things

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about it and went to the theater
and was blown away.

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Immediately texted you said you
got to see this.

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You were like, there's no way.
And I ended up, I think I saw

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this movie in theaters either 3
or 4 times because then they did

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a special release of the film
called Godzilla -1 Minus Color

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where they released it in black
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And I was like, well, of course
I'm going to go pay more money

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to see this in black and white.
Why would I not do that?

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Obviously.
So I am if.

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Only they had released
Oppenheimer.

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Without color, you would have
gone and seen it five more

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times.
I'm glad you brought up

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Oppenheimer, Brad.
I don't think it's going to be

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my let's make it a double today,
but it was a really interesting

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double feature kind of pairing
back in 2023 because there was

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some backlash against
Oppenheimer, I think from rival

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studios, you know, trying to
kill its Oscars chances that it

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ignored the plight of the
Japanese people, which I think

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really defeats the the purpose
of what that movie's about.

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But you kind of get that if you
watch this movie.

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So I thought it would be kind of
cool to put this towards the end

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of this season to provide that
bookending effect because

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Oppenheimer was our first movie
this season.

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Brad, you know, I don't want you
to spoil.

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Brad explains too much, but I
know this is your first time

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watching the movie.
Were you thinking about

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Oppenheimer as you started
watching this movie?

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I did not think about
Oppenheimer a single time.

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I I hate, I hate to ruin your
point there, Bob, but it, it

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didn't occur to me while I was
watching it, but partially

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because let's be honest, we
watched that like 30 weeks ago

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that you know, that that's like
an absolute lifetime.

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So Oppenheimer didn't come up in
my brain.

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It is a great comparison though,
because you do kind of get both

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sides of that experience.
Here's the fascinating thing,

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though.
I think that some, somebody on

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YouTube a long time ago talked
about creating like a World War

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2 cinematic universe.
And I love that.

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Like we just keep adding movies
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It's like an accidental nobody.
No director signed up to be a

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part of the universe until they
signed up to do a World War 2

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movie.
And I I would consider this a

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World War Two movie. 100% And I
think it really more than

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perhaps any other Godzilla
movie, it kind of is a companion

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piece to the original Godzilla,
which we'll talk about in a

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little bit here.
But before we jump into Brad

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Explains, I want to talk to
Michael for a minute.

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Like, what's your relationship
to this movie?

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Did you see it in theaters?
Have you always been a Godzilla

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fan and and how do you feel like
this movie fits into that sort

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of Canon of the Godzilla IP?
Get him Michael.

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Oh yeah, There's so much going
on.

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I think what I love about this
is this is a movie that made me

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feel almost exactly how I felt
watching the originals as a kid.

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Just this sense of wonder and
awe.

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And then it added all the things
I love film making as an adult

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and to understand production and
what you have to deal with with

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politics both inside studios and
outside of them.

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And it all came together really,
really beautifully.

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When I started watching Godzilla
movies, there was this combined

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love when people talk about
like, oh, we got to go back to

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the original Godzilla's.
You always are asking the

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question.
It's kind of like we got to go

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back to the good old days.
When I know someone says that

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you got to ask, what do you
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When were the good old days?
And what do you mean what part

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of those?
So for me, I grew up with all

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the Godzilla movies kind of at
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There's three really distinct
eras and then there's the newest

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era, but there's historically
these three eras that are really

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very different and different for
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Some are more goofy, some are
more serious.

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They bring in different kinds of
characters, different stories.

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And for me, this really threaded
the needle.

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I saw it three times in
theaters, twice when it

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originally came out, and then a
third time back when they had

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the US return.
And I just was so excited every

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single time.
And it, it was one of those

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movies that felt like the
gravity of really understanding

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because I had, I visited Japan
last year and got to see both of

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the nuclear bomb museums, the
atomic bomb museums, and then

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also got to see Tokyo.
So getting to see a

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representation of 1940s Tokyo
after it had been fire bombed so

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much.
And also seeing, you know, real

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first hand evidence of what had
happened with the atomic bombs

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and having this childhood love
of just this big silly monster

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and a guy in a suit who played
the same monster for like 40

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years.
All this came together for me in

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a really beautiful way.
And then to see the passion, I

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also got to, I got to zip line
into Godzilla's mouth, do

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something silly in in Japan and
they have this Godzilla museum

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and get to see these interviews
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So just to see the passion and
the love, both as a silly aspect

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of it and the very serious came
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seeing this movie.
It felt like a yeah, just a real

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gift.
When when Bob asked me like why?

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Why should Michael be on all I
all I needed to say was Bob.

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He has zip lined into Godzilla's
mouth.

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So he's basically the pilot from
this movie.

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He's more experienced than any
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I also love that you make it
sound like I have this intensive

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vetting process for our guests.
He literally was like, he was

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like, I have, I have a friend
and I was like, what's his name?

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And then he told me your name
and I was like, done.

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Perfect.
I guess I have to ask why those

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two men in suits are outside of
my door.

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I'm just curious about those
guys.

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Don't.
Don't worry about them.

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On that note, guys, I think it
is a perfect opportunity for us

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to get into our first segment of
the day, which we call, Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots.
With only 60 seconds taken on

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the clock.
So let's go ahead and do your

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take with this little segment
that we call Brad Explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the movie that he has
just seen often for the first

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time.
Brad, not only is this your

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first time watching Godzilla -1
it's our first time talking

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about any Godzilla movie on this
podcast.

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We've never done the original
from 1954.

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We've never done the absolutely
awful Matthew Broderick 1990s

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version.
We haven't even done the, what,

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2014 American version of this
movie that started this new

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monster verse crap that I really
hate in the American IP version

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of Godzilla.
So I guess I have to.

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You don't like the monster
verse?

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Nah, man, the Godzilla, Godzilla
Kong was absolute booty, I'm not

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going to lie.
They're all like 6 1/2 to 8 out

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of 10 type of movies.
Have you seen the most recent

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one?
It is.

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It is like a no.
It is a 2 1/2 masquerading as a

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6 1/2 bro.
It's.

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Super fun if you if you've had a
whole bunch of bourbon to drink.

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It's a fun movie.
Like they're it's harmless, but

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it's an awful movie, Brad.
Anyway, all that to say, I was

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going to ask you dude, have you
ever seen any other Godzilla

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movies besides this one?
I'm trying to think if I've seen

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any of the non, I'll call them
the Monarch films 'cause that's

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like the main research company.
I don't think I have I I think

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I've seen the 2013 fourteen
Godzilla, really enjoyed it.

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I've seen a few of the other
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maybe 3 or 4 of them all
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And I've seen obviously like I,
I remember being a kid and I, I

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think my buddy had avhs of like
old school Godzilla.

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So I've seen like maybe one or
two of the original ones, but

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that like truly that was 678
year old Brad.

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So I I don't even know if I can
count that.

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All right, man.
Well then you have to not only

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set up this Godzilla movie, but
the entire mythos of the

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Godzilla creature.
So you have 60 seconds to do

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that.
Folks, if you have not seen

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Godzilla -1 I would highly
recommend you stop this episode

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here.
Go back and watch that movie and

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then return and listen to the
rest of this episode.

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Brad, go ahead and spoil this
movie.

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One minute on the clock and go.
Godzilla -1 is a film that

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follows a failed kamikaze pilot
in that he was too cowardly to

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carry out his mission, who
witnesses A horrific attack by a

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giant lizard on an island
somewhere in the Pacific.

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Eventually that giant lizard is
hit with nuclear radiation, an

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atomic bomb, and it turns into
this massive horrific Kaiju

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named Godzilla that is ready to
come destroy Tokyo as he tries

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to build a new life with a
cobbled together family.

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He works as a minesweeper and
eventually they find out that

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Godzilla is on its way.
They put together a civilian

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defense board special Commission
that seeks to kill Godzilla, but

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when they're unable to, he flies
his plane straight into the

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mall, blows it up, saves
everybody's lives, parachutes

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out, gets the girl, gets the
kid, and everything is good and

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happy.
And I wasn't crying my freaking

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eyes out at the end of this
movie.

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Boom, Godzilla -1 what a
freaking great movie, guys.

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I want to start by saying what I
guess would be obvious to

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anybody who's familiar with
Godzilla.

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But like, when the original
Gojira was developed in Japan,

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they essentially decided, like,
we're going to make a Kaiju, but

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we're going to give this monster
all of the characteristics of

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the atomic bomb.
So it comes out, you know, less

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than a decade after the atomic
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And it's if you've ever seen the
original and not the

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Americanized version of the
original, it really does, I

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think tap into the deep seated
not just grief of the Japanese

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people, but the ongoing fear and
helplessness in the face of such

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a huge horrific power that is
the atomic bomb and at that

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point, the hydrogen bomb.
And I think that more than any

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other Godzilla movie since this
one taps into this creature,

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obviously has a metaphor for the
atomic bomb, but I think taps

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into this creature as a sign of
the paralyzing fear of what can

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happen now that they've seen it
happen in real life.

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But what I love about the
creature in this movie is there

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is no sympathizing with this
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They're not doing anything to
make Godzilla seem cool or like

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he's fighting another Kaiju like
he is just this soulless.

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Half the time he's distracted,
he doesn't even notice the

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destruction he's causing.
It's it's this like impartial

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disaster and destructive force
that you can do nothing to stop.

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And I think that in the movie
theater, the first couple

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attacks that Godzilla, you know,
levels cities with in this film

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are heart wrenching.
Not just because you see the

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human toll, but because it's so
random.

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It's so impartial and there's
nothing that any of these people

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can do about it and I think it
immediately helps you as a

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viewer to understand what the
Japanese people in post war

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Japan had to have been going
through mentally.

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Yeah, I think the perfect scene
to illustrate that is when you

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have the the television crew
like reporting on it.

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And they're literally like
standing on top of this building

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reporting every single move that
Godzilla makes.

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And then they're like, he's
coming near us.

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We, we are not safe to be here.
And then they show this

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beautiful shot of like
Godzilla's right side of his

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right kneecap barely grazing the
building.

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And all of a sudden the entire
thing is collapsing and they

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die.
And it's like, he didn't eat.

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Like you said, Bob, he doesn't
even realize what he's doing.

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It was just like if you were
walking in the woods and your

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knee kind of barely bumped up
against the tree.

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It's kind of like, oh, yeah,
that was an accident.

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Oh, darn it.
And all of a sudden, you know

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eight people are dead.
Yeah, I really think that that's

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one of the main themes.
You nailed it, Bob, that there's

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these two aspects of Godzilla
that make him Godzilla because

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there were a lot of other Kaiju
attempts and and different

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styles of doing it.
But there's this combination

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that you really get in -1 that's
also present in the original,

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which is that this thing is not
an only an A Lovecraftian

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eldritch horror that does not
care about your existence other

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than if you make it angry, it
will obliterate you without any

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remorse.
But also the fact that we as

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humans have created.
It's not, it wasn't here to

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begin with in this in the way
that it is, but it it's got both

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ancient and modern combined.
And really I think that

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encapsulates what Japan is after
the US started to try to

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reinvest in Japan and help
rebuild.

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And it's sort of this Western
influence coming in as well as

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the ancient ways of Japan that
have been around for so long.

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And that's what Godzilla really
hones in on, because it doesn't

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shy away from this really
beautiful sense that Japan is

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rebuilding.
You see that with I'm trying to

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remember her name, the woman.
Sorry, I'm trying to remember

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her.
Mariko yes, as as Mariko's like

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getting a job and talking about
the reindustrialization, and

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they're trying to find jobs.
And you see that like, Tokyo

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starts to progress again.
And then the horror of all that

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being swept away, once again
being set back to year -1.

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And I think that answers a
question I was going to ask you,

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Michael.
I was curious, like why, you

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know, if the, if Godzilla's on a
large level represents the

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atomic bomb, like why does Japan
have such a fascination with it

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and a reverence?
But, but I, I think you kind of

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answered it in that Godzilla
represents the old, the ancient,

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the history and mythos of Japan,
as well as its modernization and

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the dangers with which that can
bring.

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That's like a fascinating thing
to me.

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And it's interesting that
eventually the series moved

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towards, you know, Godzilla
versus Mothra and like somewhat

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this idea of him defending
Japan.

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Like all of that is just
fascinating to me and and what

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it maybe says about Japanese
culture and psyche.

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Yeah, I would say there's this
presence of pursuit of

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technology, that Japan as an
imperial empire pursued the

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domination of Eastern Asia
through technology, and it was

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promoted and it was constantly
worked on.

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And you can see that even in the
film.

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How do they face this monster?
Well, it's through the ingenuity

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of the military.
One of my favorite songs of all

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the Godzilla music, which I love
that they worked this back in is

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the March of the military
because there is a sense of

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pride as a Japanese person of
going to do your your duty and

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fulfill your honor in in the
military.

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But yet there's a futility to it
in this franchise that the

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military always flies 14 planes
directly into Godzilla's mouth.

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And at at points it gets really
hokey.

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But in this movie, there's this
terror of these ships you just

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cannot face.
I mean, that first time the

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Godzilla emerges to destroy a
battleship, it you feel the

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rumble, especially in the
theater, that rumble of him

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coming out of the water, that
his hand coming down.

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And there's the sense of
technology being the answer, but

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yet it is futile in most
situations against Godzilla.

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And you even see that at the end
of the movie.

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Spoiler again.
But he's not.

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There's something still going on
with Godzilla, right?

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He's at his heart is at the
bottom of the sea.

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And no matter what technology
they use, it fails over and over

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and over again.
So I think Japan has this

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similar relationship with
technology in as does Korea that

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both had major cities completely
wiped out and they had a lot of

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their parts of society removed.
So now they're rebuilding it in

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a modern era and replanning, and
they're wrestling with both the

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ancient and the modern.
Man, this is like the most

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uplifting episode ever.
Don't you just feel great about

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humanity, guys?
Well, I'm, I'm going to make you

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even more happy, Brad, because I
think what Michael saying is

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like a perfect segue into the
other thing that Godzilla

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represents in this movie, which
I think you don't get it really

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in any other Godzilla movies
that I've seen at least, which

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is that he's not only a metaphor
for the nuclear age and the

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atomic bomb itself, but for PTSD
for the soldiers that had fought

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in World War 2.
And for a significant chunk of

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this movie, you're following
Shikishima as he's readjusting

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to society, but also grappling
with the fact that his own

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cowardice or perceived cowardice
cost the lives of real people.

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And what I love about the way
that they use that theme

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represented by Godzilla is that
there are long stretches where

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Godzilla disappears from this
movie and he only reappears in

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like, these kind of horrific,
disastrous moments.

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But you'll have like 1/2 hour of
the movie where it's just

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character building.
You're just getting to know

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these people.
And then all of a sudden he goes

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to sleep and he dreams of
Godzilla again.

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Then it reminds me of that
metaphor that people always talk

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about with, you know, like grief
or losses, like the ball that

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rolls around inside the box and
like, there's a button on one

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side of the box.
And every now and then, like, it

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will still just kind of smack up
against that button.

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And it gets less and less, but
it never truly goes away.

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And I think that using the
creature as a metaphor, yes for

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the destructiveness of the bomb,
but also for the lingering guilt

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and shame and survivor's
remorse, was probably the most

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brilliant touch that they added
to this movie.

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Yeah, And you even see it in
like his exterior relationships,

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like the mother of the local
area of his town, Sumiko, that

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is like screaming at him when he
comes back that he he died or he

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should have died.
He didn't do his mission.

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And like even the the obvious
falsehood of her statement, like

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if you had done your job, my
family wouldn't have died and we

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wouldn't be in the situation.
It's like, yeah, no, like that's

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the whole point.
Is that sacrificing life to save

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other light?
Like that's not the point of

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what we're doing here.
And if he had died, he would

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have just died and Japan still
would have lost the war.

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And so the the whole message of
the movie being war and

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destruction and Godzilla are not
just this thing to futilely

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throw yourself against into
death.

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It's an opportunity for you to
choose life.

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And at the end of the film, you
know Sumiko has come around and

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loves him.
You know, as a friend, as a as

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an ants to his adopted child.
The mechanic from the island at

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the end basically tells him like
your life is worth being alive.

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Whereas you know he has been
this he's almost a grim Reaper

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unseen throughout the film,
hanging over Koichi's head.

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Shikashima And by the end of the
film, you have all these people

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telling him, no, your life is
worth living.

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And I think that's like one of
the big things that I took away

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from this movie was like when we
are faced with insurmountable

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odds, we don't fight it because
of honor or because it's the

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only thing to do.
We fight it because our lives

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are important and we ought to
live them fully.

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You know, it reminds me of
another one of Brad's favorite

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movies and characters, the great
Rose Tico, who says that we're

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not going to win by fighting
what we hate, but by saving what

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we love.
Brad.

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Listen, if you're going to bring
up The Last fucking Jedi.

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I'm just going to tell you right
now, Finn should have had an

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ejection seat that would have
made that.

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Would have saved from the whole
end of that movie.

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I do want to talk about the
influences on this movie though.

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So it's like very obviously
clear where the Western

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influences are, are impacting
this movie because this feels

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like an old Hollywood rousing.
Let's get the gang together.

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There's like just the right
amount of jingoistic patriotism.

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But I think what's interesting
about the way that they do the

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quote UN quote patriotism in
this movie is in a way that is

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like way more palatable to
Americans.

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00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,920
Like, you know, if if the
Japanese people in this movie

448
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,400
had still been loyal to the
ideals that got them into the

449
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,840
war, then you wouldn't be
following along with them,

450
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,480
right?
But the fact that they have a a

451
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,280
healthy amount of skepticism
about what the government does,

452
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000
how the government covers things
up and what they end up like

453
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000
uniting around is this idea of
like, we're all in this

454
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,280
together.
Come on, guys, let's band

455
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200
together.
Let's give this thing one last

456
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,200
shot.
It like it's so mirrors the like

457
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,400
Americanness of let's all pitch
in and do this thing together.

458
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,440
And I just found that super
fascinating.

459
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,520
Like we can obviously talk about
the movies that influenced this,

460
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,520
but I feel like that sort of old
school Americana that you see in

461
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,960
American movies of the 50s and
60s especially really influences

462
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,080
the way this movie goes.
Well, you, you asked me earlier

463
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,320
if this remind me of Oppenheimer
and I said no.

464
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,160
It did remind me of another
Christopher Nolan film, Bob.

465
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,840
This has Dunkirk, like, written
all over it, dude.

466
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Like when all the tug boats show
up and they're like, don't worry

467
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,400
man.
Like the citizens we got you.

468
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Like I was just like, ah, yeah,
Dunkirk.

469
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,120
Let's freaking go, man.
See, me being a child of the 90s

470
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,640
and also a way less cultured
than you, Brad, it reminded me

471
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,640
of the end of Independence Day
when Randy Quaid shows up and

472
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,960
he's like, hey, Mr. President,
do you need our help?

473
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,720
And I was like, F yeah, like
this dude is the Japanese

474
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,400
equivalent of Randy Quaid.
I'm so I'm on board and.

475
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,440
And there's something about that
Armageddon style plot where you

476
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,280
take these blue collar guys
hanging out.

477
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,240
They're like, I'm working hard.
And then you're like, hey, we're

478
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,720
gonna teach you how to be an
astronaut.

479
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,080
And they're like, awesome.
And then Bruce Willis saves the

480
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
day.
And there was this sense of all

481
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,360
these characters as as
archetypal as they were and as,

482
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,280
you know, standard.
There's such a different way in

483
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Japanese media of writing lines
that they're a lot more explicit

484
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,760
often to express exactly what
they're thinking, which I think

485
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,760
is just like, that's a whole
other conversation.

486
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880
But it helps move this movie
forward and that these these

487
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,840
guys are really communicating,
especially the ship captain is

488
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
really communicating.
There's these errors we've made

489
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,680
in the past and the government,
we as a group of people have

490
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120
submitted to a government in the
past that really made these

491
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,240
choices for us.
And it comes to the point where

492
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920
the US is not helping because
it'll cause tensions.

493
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,160
The government really can't do
anything, and even the military

494
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,960
might is just not accessible.
So all these people come

495
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,480
together.
And what I really love about

496
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,600
that is also, I haven't seen
this done very much, but they

497
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,360
give the option of honor to let
people leave the Miffin.

498
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,040
And they don't shame those
people for it because they

499
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560
understand how grave the
situation is.

500
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,520
And I love that scene when
they're all with meetings, like,

501
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000
yeah, this is a risky mission.
And several of the businessmen

502
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,360
and just regular citizens say, I
can't do this.

503
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,760
I got to be with my family or
whatever.

504
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,760
And it's, it is the sense of
real people trying to wrestle

505
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880
with a real issue which gives it
that weight that it needs for

506
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,960
such AI would say epoch feel,
you know?

507
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,840
I mean, that's something that I
often say to people I work with

508
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,640
or people that I disciple is
like, no is always a valid

509
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,160
answer.
Like if you don't feel like you

510
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,680
can say no to something, then
you can't actually say yes to

511
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
it.
Like your, your yes doesn't have

512
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,920
transformative meaning.
And so I, I, I was with you,

513
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Michael, that, that scene where
a few of the guys walk away and

514
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,240
nobody dishonors them or shames
them for it, the way that our

515
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,880
main character, Shikashima was
shamed when he came back from

516
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,480
the war unscathed, as he ought
to have been.

517
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000
It's, it shows a really
beautiful turning point for the

518
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,560
citizenry, you know, 3-4 years
after the war.

519
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Yeah.
And I what I love about this, in

520
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,640
contrast to the original 1954,
it's when you look at the three,

521
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120
I would say the three movies
that really hold the original

522
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Godzilla, because there's the
American audience, one that

523
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,800
comes out in 56 and then there's
the original Japanese in 54.

524
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,440
This one takes a more everyman
approach than the first one

525
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680
even, because in the first one
it is the government making

526
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,840
decisions, all the scientists
and the self-defense force,

527
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,840
they're all making these
decisions.

528
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,000
And in this one, it's really the
remnants of the citizenry that

529
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,720
are doing their best, which I
really, I really love.

530
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,920
And in the 1956, the American
has to get involved because he's

531
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,320
the one who can really figure it
out.

532
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,200
And then the this movie, it
really lends itself to saying

533
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,880
that community really binds us
together and that's how we move

534
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480
forward.
Is that the citizenry and that

535
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,560
the average person has power to
say we have to do something and

536
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,120
it comes down to both the
individual and the community

537
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840
because they all came together
and tried to drown Godzilla and

538
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,960
it didn't really work.
But then the bomb worked.

539
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Can can we talk for a second
about the plan to kill him?

540
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Like I can't tell you how much I
loved when they were like, we're

541
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,200
going to we're going to attach
these cylinders to him and

542
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800
they're going to shoot bubbles
all around him and it's going to

543
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
make him sink into a trench.
And then we're going to bring

544
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,000
him up real fast and give him
the give him the bends.

545
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,160
I'm like, what a beautiful,
ridiculous, like everything I

546
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,720
want out of a plan to kill a
Kaiju.

547
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Listen, it's, it's, it's a great
plan, but the second that they

548
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
say we're going to bring him
back up, I'm like, oh, that plan

549
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,440
is going to fail.
You don't never bring him back

550
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,200
up.
That's you just leave him there.

551
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,640
But I think I guys, honestly, I
think this might be a good place

552
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
for us to hit pause because I
want to talk about like the

553
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,040
actual cool monster stuff in
this movie.

554
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
I felt like you probably
couldn't dive into that without

555
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,800
kind of setting the stage about
the fact that yes, it's a cool

556
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,000
monster, but it means something
horrific.

557
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,880
And we we probably need to talk
about the horrific stuff before

558
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
we talk about how cool it looks.
So Brad, what do you say you and

559
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,680
I go drink some whiskey?
We'll come back, we'll talk

560
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
about the cool monster stuff,
and we'll talk a little bit more

561
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,600
about the movies that influenced
this one.

562
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320
But I'll tell you what, man, it
is 8:34 in the morning, so that

563
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,480
means your boy needs a drink.
What do you say?

564
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:37,120
Let's get to it, Bob.
All right.

565
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,280
Today we are checking out
Harden's Creek, Jacob's.

566
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Well, that sounds like a full
sentence, Brad.

567
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,320
It really does.
Whose Creek is that and whose

568
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520
well is that?
It's Hardens Creek, but it's

569
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Jacob's.
Well, get it straight.

570
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,320
When you know what I mean.
When my wife and I were on our

571
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,560
honeymoon in the Hocking Hills
area, our cabin was like kind of

572
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,480
in the in the back like country
roads a little bit.

573
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,320
And in order to get to the main
like hiking area, the, there is

574
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,719
a road called Goat Fork Honey
Run.

575
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,960
And for some reason Hardens
Creek, Jacob's well, reminds me

576
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,880
of that cause Haley and I would
literally just rearrange the

577
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,840
words like honey fork, goat run,
fork goat honey run, like just

578
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,800
constantly rearranging the
things.

579
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,040
And I feel like you would be
like, yeah, Jacob's Creek

580
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,760
Hardens.
Well, totally.

581
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Yeah, it would totally work.
So if you remember, way back at

582
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
the beginning of the season, we
tried the other whiskey that had

583
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280
been released in this line
called Hardens Creek.

584
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,600
It was the Colonel James B Beam.
So the way that this label

585
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,040
worked, it's it's the first
label that Freddie know is

586
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560
releasing as the distiller.
And you know, we interviewed

587
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,159
Freddie on the show a couple
seasons ago.

588
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Really great guy.
This he's taking ownership of

589
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,440
this label and the Colonel James
B Beam is the younger stock skew

590
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,080
and this is the older stock
skew.

591
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,760
So Jacob's Well is a blend of 15
year old high rye bourbon and 16

592
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,480
year old traditional bourbon.
So it comes out to 15 years,

593
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
four months on average.
It's 108 proof.

594
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,440
It retails for $150.00.
Brad, we are approaching luxury

595
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,800
territory on this one.
Yeah, we absolutely are.

596
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,200
And I, I'm excited there.
There's been a few expensive

597
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,600
bourbons that have gotten me re
interested in the genre lately,

598
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,560
so I'm hoping that this
continues that trend.

599
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,440
I'm diving into the nose right
now, Brad.

600
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560
I've just poured this out in my
glass and let it sit for about

601
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,880
two minutes here while we
introed it.

602
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,120
And the color on this thing is a
real deep, rich amber color.

603
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
You can tell that it's well aged
just by the color of it.

604
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,880
I'm picking up some notes on the
nose that I don't think I've

605
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,560
ever gotten on a bourbon before.
Like we get floral notes, you

606
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,000
know, floral notes all the time.
Rose is especially present on

607
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,200
some of those Willett products
for me.

608
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920
You know the Willett funk I talk
about, but on this one, I'm

609
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,680
getting lavender.
It's a super delicate floral

610
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,560
note that is just kind of like
dancing above everything else.

611
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,600
I've never picked up a note that
delicate on a bourbon before and

612
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,280
I am absolutely in love with
this note man.

613
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000
And then the piccolo just
floating there.

614
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,800
How many times do you think we
can fit that Amadeus reference

615
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,000
in per episode The.
Easiest, easiest thing in the

616
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,520
world, man.
But yeah, you push beyond that

617
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,560
and this becomes a really nice,
like, I think the spice notes

618
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,200
die down a little bit.
There's quite a bit of vanilla

619
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,040
here.
I get a bit of brown sugar.

620
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,840
It becomes just like a nice
bourbon, albeit A softer 1.

621
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,200
So I would call this like if
there's an operative word here,

622
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,880
it's a softer nose and I like
that a lot.

623
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,680
I'm going to give it an 8.5
Brad.

624
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,560
I I also like it quite a bit.
For me, it's, it's a little bit

625
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,800
of a more deep and rich nose.
Like to me it's cinnamon,

626
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,160
caramel, vanilla, but there's
this really beautiful rich

627
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,920
tobacco, leather and oak kind of
as a foundation for everything

628
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,720
else.
I didn't really get any floral

629
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:25,320
notes per SE.
I I think this is just a really

630
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,840
nice, a pretty impressive
example of what you can do with

631
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,880
like 131415 year old bourbon.
I'm going to give it a nine out

632
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,360
of 10 on the nose.
Yeah, and I'm going to give it a

633
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,400
nine out of 10 on the pallet.
I just took a sip of this.

634
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,400
Your notes of tobacco and
leather are really prominent

635
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,200
here, especially on the front of
the pallet, which is interesting

636
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,160
because those are usually notes
for me that present on the back

637
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,320
of the pallet.
But it's almost like if you

638
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,320
could make a syrup version of
those notes, you know, like you

639
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,520
cover it in sugar and let it
extract.

640
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,880
If you just like dumped an old
leather wallet and a bunch of

641
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,200
tobacco in a pan with sugar and
let it extract those flavors,

642
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
they're there on the nose.
It's like the sweet version of

643
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,760
that.
I'm sorry.

644
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,640
They're on the the tip of the
tongue there.

645
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,080
It's it's a sweet version of
that, really beautiful because

646
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,080
those notes don't.
So what you're saying is?

647
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Yeah, go ahead.
So what you're saying is it's

648
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,520
like leather, tobacco, jam?
It's super nice and that sounds

649
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,000
gross, but a lot of times those
notes take over on the back of

650
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,320
the pallet and they get kind of
tannic and they sour whatever

651
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
the flavor is.
So you know, they present up

652
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,040
front and they'll have that
sweetness accompanying them.

653
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,200
And then when you go to swallow,
it opens up into that nice

654
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520
bright, kind of nutty Jim Beam
profile.

655
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480
And again, Brad, it reminds me
of those high proof barrel

656
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,840
strength bourbons we try every
September at the Kentucky

657
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,800
Bourbon Festival when it's like
90° out.

658
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,240
And it really brings out
specific flavors in those

659
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,320
bottles when you're drinking
them in the hot sun like this is

660
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,200
really beautiful.
I'm going to give it a nine out

661
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,960
of 10.
Yeah, I'm at an 8 1/2 out of 10

662
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,480
on the pallet.
It gets into a raisiny vibe for

663
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,000
me.
There's oak and leather.

664
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:18,200
It eventually works its way into
a really rich cheesecake, creamy

665
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,200
rye experience.
That that, like that's what I'm

666
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,680
here for, man, is all the
richness with that spice and it,

667
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,000
it continues on the finish.
The finish is the All Star here

668
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,360
for me.
It's a 9 1/2 out of 10 on the

669
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,920
finish.
There's leather tobacco.

670
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
It gets a bit minty at the back
end.

671
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,640
That rye kind of finally falls
into a really beautiful sweet

672
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,640
mint.
It's Okie and it it gets the

673
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,600
cheesecake turns into almost
like a Maple syrup richness.

674
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,840
I like this is just a wonderful
experience, Bob.

675
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,680
I'm in the same spot as you.
I think that this is for sure a

676
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,720
nine out of 10 on the finish.
It might even be approaching a

677
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,320
nine and a half for me.
I I'm going to stick at a nine

678
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,920
and I don't really have any
other notes to give besides what

679
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,840
you just said.
Mints kind of takes over for me

680
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560
on the back of it, but it's like
that nice sweet kind of

681
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
spearmint really, really
beautiful.

682
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880
I think this is just a super
complex whiskey.

683
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Like, think of all the notes
that we've given on this.

684
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,040
And I think to keep them all in
balance is perhaps this

685
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,920
whiskey's like crowning
achievement.

686
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,560
I'm going to give this a 9 1/2
on the balance, Brad.

687
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,040
Yeah, I'm, I'm with you, 10 out
10 out of 10 on the balance for

688
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,320
me, like this is one of the most
well balanced, rich and

689
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,480
complicated whiskey's we've had
in a in a really long time.

690
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120
And we've had some good bourbons
lately.

691
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,960
I think it's a 10 out of 10 here
now at $150.00, this isn't quite

692
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,120
luxury territory.
I think we set that bar at 200

693
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,440
plus it is expensive.
And I will say that I think it's

694
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,720
worth just about every penny
that that doesn't make it a 10

695
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,080
out of 10 value, but it does
make it an 8.5 for me on value.

696
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,560
Yeah, I'm going to give it a 7
1/2 on value because I think

697
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
when you just ask the basic
question, is the price

698
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,360
justified?
If the answer is yes, then for

699
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,280
me like that's a baseline of 7
1/2 or like a three out of four.

700
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,280
You know, it, it could get a
little better and I could say I

701
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,360
wanted to, I want to go out and
spend $150 on this.

702
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,520
I'm not entirely sure I'm at
that point.

703
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,440
But I do think that just given
the market and given what's in

704
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,320
the glass, this is an entirely
justified price point, which is

705
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,840
bringing me out, Brad, to a very
high total of 43 1/2 out of 50.

706
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,760
Where are you falling on this
one?

707
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,840
I'm at a 45.5 out of 50.
Wow, so you have eclipsed that

708
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,400
super rare 90 mark on this one.
Yeah.

709
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:56,200
I I think this is right up there
with some of the B tac bourbons

710
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,560
that we've had.
That's bringing us out to an

711
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,920
average of an 89 out of 100.
So when you take the two of us

712
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
together, we're just barely
missing that 90 mark where it

713
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,960
would be like at, you know, in
the firmament of greatest

714
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,040
whiskeys we've ever tried.
But we are averaging out to a 44

715
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,160
1/2 on this.
This is an absolute no brainer

716
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,920
recommendation for me, Brad.
Yeah, easy recommendation.

717
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,160
If you're able to get your hands
on some of this, it is a bottle

718
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,000
well worth buying.
Jacob's well worth buying, am I

719
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,080
right?
Hey, all right man, what do you

720
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,080
say we get back into talking
about Godzilla -1?

721
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,320
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, that was

722
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:50,200
Hardens Creek, Jacob's Well, a
whiskey that man I absolutely

723
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,800
enjoyed.
I I like what the Jim Beam

724
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,880
Company is doing.
Scrappy little start up.

725
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,600
You know they're doing what they
can.

726
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,120
Yep, Yep, totally.
Just just like the citizenry.

727
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Of Japan in this movie.
Absolutely, man.

728
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Well you know who else has been
a scrappy little start up this

729
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,880
year?
Bob is you.

730
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,280
You have been nailing it on 2
facts and a falsehood.

731
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:17,880
Brad is going to try to.
Stump your ball 2 are right and

732
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,480
what is wrong 2 facts and a
falsehood. 2 Facts and a

733
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad presents me with

734
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,640
three items as fact about the
making of this movie, one of

735
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,760
which is a complete lie.
Now listen, every time we have a

736
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,680
guest on, the way this works is
that you know Brad will read his

737
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,400
facts to me and if I consult the
guest's opinion and we get it

738
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,600
right, then I'm credited with
one win.

739
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,400
But if we get it wrong, I am
given 2 losses on the day, which

740
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,520
is something that Brad says is
not stacking to get the deck

741
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,240
against me.
But it very clearly is because

742
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,360
I'm not just going to not
consult our guest Brad.

743
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Like how, how rude could I
possibly be to just make him sit

744
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,560
there in silence do.
You want to win.

745
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Yeah, I want to win, but did you
hear all the things this guy

746
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,800
said about Kaiju?
Like he knows what he's doing.

747
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,520
I don't know anything about this
genre dude.

748
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Like.
We're going to have to try.

749
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Bob.
I just met you.

750
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,360
I told you about my underwear.
I take over so much time.

751
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,520
And now on top of that, I've got
to make sure you win this game.

752
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Yeah, we're the game is on.
We're the most trusting guys in

753
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,880
the biz, so Michael and I are
united on this front.

754
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,920
Brad, present us with your two
facts and a falsehood.

755
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,640
Fact number one There was much
speculation on the film's

756
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,600
budget, with 15,000,000 being a
popularly reported figure until

757
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,320
being disproved by the director.
The final budget was actually

758
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,720
¥1.5 billion, the same as Toho's
prior installment Shin Godzilla

759
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:53,360
from 2016, which means that it
was actually costing them about

760
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,720
$10 million.
Both of them were cheaper than

761
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:02,640
Godzilla Final Wars made in
2004, which was the Toho's most

762
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,400
expensive Godzilla film.
Fact #2 Director Takashi

763
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Yamakaze worked for many years
as a sound director in the

764
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,320
Japanese film industry.
With a tight budget on Godzilla

765
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960
-1 he stepped into the sound
room with the other 4

766
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,360
technicians and built the
soundscape of Godzilla's roar

767
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,400
and heat ray.
Fact #3 the named destroyers and

768
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,160
minelayer have their names
painted on the sides of the

769
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,440
whole in capitalized Latin
script.

770
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:37,880
Yukikaze as an example rather
than the usual katakana which is

771
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,360
correct for post war surrendered
ships.

772
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,360
I have no idea.
I hate you so much, Brad.

773
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,160
These weren't even fun ones.
I never I.

774
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,480
It's funny.
I promise I'm not reading

775
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,040
straight from Wikipedia right
now.

776
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,200
I know that the I know for a
fact that the last one is

777
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,440
accurate.
That's true.

778
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:06,440
So we're down to 5050.
The problem is that the Let me.

779
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,720
Let me interrupt you because I
know that number one is true.

780
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,120
Then it has to be yeah, because
it's been back and forth.

781
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,680
I mean Toho has never confirmed
themselves so the director might

782
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,600
have, but I I missed that
article so.

783
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,440
OK, so maybe that's the
falsehood then.

784
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,240
Yeah, I know that the budget was
somewhere between, like, 10 and

785
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,200
15 that I think that's kind of
where they've set the parameters

786
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,760
on this because that was really
widely publicized.

787
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,960
You know, this movie wins the
Oscar for best visual effects.

788
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,400
And part of the reason is
because it had this, like,

789
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,240
scrappy underdog story of look
what they could pull off for

790
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,200
only $10 million.
So I've always had that 10

791
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,160
million figure in my mind.
I don't know if Brad's just like

792
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,240
massaging the figures on that a
little bit.

793
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,120
You know how much I love to give
massages, Bob.

794
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,800
So fact #3 is it just that like
you're stating the fact that

795
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,440
yes, the letters are in Latin
letters and not Japanese

796
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,720
figures?
Like that's the whole fact.

797
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,880
Bob, the fact is what I what I
stated.

798
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Wow.
Brutal, brutal.

799
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,280
No mercy.
Do you think that they maybe

800
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,440
digitally made the letters like
anglicized for the American

801
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,880
release of the film?
I don't think they would.

802
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,720
I think I this is the other part
about the sound design.

803
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,160
We're in the middle.
I think it might be that that's

804
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,480
the falsehood, because I think
he stepped in for the visual

805
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,480
effects.
I can't, I don't know how to

806
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,760
pronounce her name.
She really went into sound

807
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,880
effects and she took time.
I, I was reading, she went into

808
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,720
a full stadium and she felt that
that was the only place with

809
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,240
speakers that could really
handle the situation.

810
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,800
And in all his interviews, he's
very humble.

811
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,160
The director Yamazaki, he really
makes sure that his team and him

812
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,480
are on the same page and gives
them precedence on a lot.

813
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,960
So I, I actually think that his,
I think it's #2 because the

814
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,280
numbers aren't necessarily
clear, but I know that he

815
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,360
specifically stepped into the
visual aspect, not the sound

816
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,360
design aspect, that I don't know
about the sound design aspect.

817
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,160
He might have also done that,
but I know he did the visual.

818
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,080
That is good enough for me,
Brad.

819
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,360
I think that we've talked this
through as much as we possibly

820
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,440
can.
We're going to lock in #2 as the

821
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,680
falsehood.
Bob, Michael, you are both 100%

822
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,520
correct.
He did step into the visual side

823
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,720
of things, not the sound side of
things.

824
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,160
I didn't know he rebutted about
the budget part.

825
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,360
That's fascinating that he
actually stepped in for that.

826
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Yeah, Michael, you should know
that my facts are taken from

827
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,080
IMDb, so I.
Trust it.

828
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,720
Fact is on that, yeah.
Yeah, on that website they are

829
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:55,800
indeed facts.
Reported facts from IMDb users.

830
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Guys, I think that that might be
a good jumping off point to talk

831
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,240
a little bit about, you know,
the visual effects and the sound

832
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,040
effects of this movie.
Like I said, widely reported

833
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,120
that this movie only cost about
$10 million and it was hailed

834
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,880
for the amount of VFX work that
could be done and how well

835
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,320
rendered it was.
You know, then it comes out

836
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,800
that, well, a lot of the people
that they're paying to do this

837
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,760
work in Japan and you know,
probably outsourcing a lot of it

838
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,960
from China are working for far,
far, far less than a VFX artist

839
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,000
would cost in the United States.
But I think the point still

840
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,400
stands, like even if these
people are only making 1/5 of

841
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,560
what you'd pay somebody in the
US, like that would raise the

842
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,960
budget to 50 mil and and still
what you're getting out of a $50

843
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,920
million worth of VFXI think it's
pretty crazy.

844
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,280
There's a couple shots in this
movie that I think look a little

845
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,160
janky.
Sometimes when Godzilla's, you

846
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,040
know, being lit by fire at
night, it doesn't quite look

847
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,640
perfect.
But like, man, I think honestly,

848
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:03,200
what I love about this movie is
that it is trying really hard to

849
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,120
be a certain type of really
earnest movie.

850
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,280
And sometimes it doesn't quite
get there.

851
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,640
Like you can see the
limitations, whether it's in the

852
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,640
budget or the acting or
whatever, but that's part of the

853
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,480
charm of it.
I don't know if that makes sense

854
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,960
or not.
Like it doesn't feel like a

855
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,120
small movie or an amateurish
movie, but it it just feels like

856
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,520
a scrappy little movie in every
sense of the term.

857
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,640
And I think that's part of why
it wins the VFX Oscar here.

858
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,760
Yeah, I definitely think they're
their goals are to make

859
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,360
something that feels so
authentically through to the

860
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,520
vision that they're they have
this vision of what Godzilla is.

861
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,120
And when you hear him talk about
that, the nuclear reactor pins

862
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,800
in in a station are similar to
the spines, the spikes on

863
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Godzilla's back.
There's these really specific

864
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,560
attention to detail moments that
add the whole thing when he's

865
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:10,840
charging up and he destroys of
Tokyo in one blast and you're

866
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,760
able to look past some of the
the lines.

867
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,800
You know, there's like small
things that I noticed.

868
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,000
You know, it's so hard to work
with a, a child actor to direct

869
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,560
them because he's 2 years old
and yet you're encapsulated by

870
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,360
her.
So there are little things here

871
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,680
and there, but I think overall
they capture the immensity and

872
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,600
with framing, they did such a
good job with scale and they

873
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,120
involved practical effects.
Like all the rocking of the boat

874
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,560
was people moving it.
It wasn't even really on water.

875
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,120
They were taking these ores and
rocking these model boats by

876
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,720
hand on it on the back of a blue
screen, green screen set.

877
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,120
And so they did just such a good
job of knowing where their

878
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,320
limitations were and trying to
push those.

879
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,000
And I'd heard a good reflection
on art.

880
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,760
I can't remember quite who was
saying it, but they said you

881
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,440
have to push far and if you're
not getting some things wrong in

882
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,440
retrospect, you're not pushing
hard enough.

883
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,760
And I think that's one of the
reasons is that as Coho is

884
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,000
trying to reclaim the spirit of
Godzilla in the face of Monarch,

885
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,040
which it's still fun.
I still enjoy those Bob.

886
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,040
I'm not going to, I'm not going
to pretend I don't like a

887
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,080
Pacific Rim style monkey
punches.

888
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Giant lizard but I also think
the heart of Godzilla is

889
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,440
captured, how fun it is and how
big he is and just wow cool

890
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,680
dinosaur.
And they did that so well that I

891
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
felt wow, cool dinosaur
smooching little ships the whole

892
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,640
time.
And, and like the moments when

893
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,240
he's in the water and it's just
his like eyes and spines that

894
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,240
you can see as he's like
stalking the ships.

895
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:53,280
It's terrifying and cool.
And I think the, the VFX to me

896
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,960
felt a little bit fake in the
most perfect way possible.

897
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,600
And I think the best way to
describe it is in the way that

898
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Godzilla carries his arms feels
so authentic to like the the

899
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,160
clips of the original film.
And you know, the early ones

900
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,240
where he's in this like horrible
suit and he can't really move

901
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,480
any of his body parts super
well.

902
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,440
And it it almost gives him this
inhumane like quality that that

903
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,440
fits the character even if it
doesn't feel as lifelike or

904
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,840
realistic.
Well, I think that gets me back

905
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,000
into like, movies that inspired
this one.

906
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,360
And I keep talking about, you
know, Western culture inspiring

907
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,240
this movie.
But like, Spielberg is all over

908
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:44,000
this, and it's well documented
that Spielberg is a huge

909
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,920
influence.
They used War of the Worlds kind

910
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,400
of as their template for the,
like, chaos and randomness of

911
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,120
the Godzilla attacks.
And I think that's a great

912
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,880
comparison.
But you know, there's definitely

913
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,800
Jurassic Park in the way that
the, like, the terror of the

914
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,560
creature itself comes across.
If there's one movie that is

915
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,920
like an obvious reference point
for this, it's Jaws, though.

916
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:11,160
I mean, everything from the
rundown boat to the ragtag crew

917
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,760
to, you know, we have only $10
million to work with, so we're

918
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,640
going to submerge Godzilla and
only show his eyes chasing us.

919
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,160
It's like, it's really similar
to the way they do the shark in

920
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,240
Jaws.
And I think it's like that

921
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,400
economy of we don't have to
fully reveal this creature in

922
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,080
every single scene.
Like just seeing his eyes and

923
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,000
his spikes is scary enough
because it gives us a sense of

924
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,120
scale.
And what is great about that,

925
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,840
the way you're talking about
structure with Jaws is that they

926
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,400
place this moment that in the
original Jaws, is the moment

927
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,120
that the shark dies, blowing up
his head, shooting it with a

928
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,000
canister spoiler.
It's been out for 50 years.

929
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,640
But they, you know, they blow it
up and it kills the shark and

930
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,800
that's how they win.
You know, he finally gets the

931
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,720
right shot and faces all his
inner demons.

932
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,840
And in this one, the guy does
it.

933
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,520
He finally pulls the trigger,
blows up Godzilla's habits.

934
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,080
And they have this sort of hokey
animation like you were talking

935
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,080
about, but still looks really
cool.

936
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Anime esque and also sort of
pushing the boundaries of

937
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,080
regrowth on a face and they they
show you this is not Jaws, you

938
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,840
know, he's like Jaws.
We're making a reference to

939
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,400
Jaws, but this is not Jaws.
This is a different monster.

940
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,240
And you cannot kill this thing
by the conventional.

941
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,800
The heroes just pulled the
trigger at the right time, and

942
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,880
then it they fulfill that it's
kind of planting of the bomb and

943
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,120
Chekov's gone to the end that it
doesn't.

944
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,760
Even the explosion at the end
still doesn't do the job, which

945
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,280
I love.
The animation on that, him

946
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,280
falling back into the water.
I don't care how hokey anyone

947
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,600
thinks that looks.
That was an incredible scene of

948
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,480
the explosion of the head, him
falling back and dissolving,

949
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,920
breaking apart.
It felt so climactic and so

950
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,920
perfectly thematic.
See for me it was the moment

951
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,760
right before that when it they
do like the 360 spin around of

952
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,040
Godzilla just like with icicles
hanging off of him as he's

953
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,120
getting ready to do like the
nuclear blast out of his mouth.

954
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,200
It is the that thing looked
terrifying, especially in the

955
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,200
movie theater.
It was like, that is a gnarly

956
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,560
looking creature right there.
And I love the way that his like

957
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,680
flesh like sizzles after he does
his nuclear explosion.

958
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,360
There is so much to love there.
Michael.

959
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,080
I I'm going to transition us.
I love that you brought up anime

960
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,720
because for me, you know, we
haven't really talked about the

961
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,840
acting performances yet.
I think that if this was like 4

962
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,000
or five years ago, Brad, I don't
know if I would have appreciated

963
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,680
this movie as much.
But like, having seen some anime

964
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,280
now, you know, I've, I've
watched some Attack on Titan,

965
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,200
One Punch Man.
I think I watched an episode of

966
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,320
the weird assassin show with
you, Michael, a long time ago.

967
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,160
Right.
There is a distinctness to the

968
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,400
way that they act that I now, as
a very novice anime viewer, can

969
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,520
go, Oh yeah.
Like this, the way they act has

970
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,160
this anime quality about it that
I really appreciated.

971
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:24,000
And it has an earnestness.
And it's the it's the pairing of

972
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,360
like stating the obvious with
way overacted emotions that I

973
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,640
just I really enjoyed in this
movie.

974
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,840
Bob I I'm curious how, how you,
as somebody who doesn't really

975
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,440
watch any anime, how like how
did you take the acting in this

976
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,240
movie?
Yeah, So that it's funny you say

977
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,880
that because I don't have that
reference point so much with

978
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,600
anime, but it reminded me of
like, you know, I said Spielberg

979
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,560
is a reference obviously for
this movie.

980
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,760
It reminded me of the movies
that influenced Spielberg.

981
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,320
Like I, I go back to like the
John Ford westerns that we've

982
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,080
watched, like The Searchers
where John Ford was pretty

983
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,080
famous for working with the same
troop of actors in every movie.

984
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,240
And he just had like these
character actors that had these

985
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,200
big giant personalities.
And so in every movie you'd have

986
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,200
like the best friend played by
Ward Bond and the old drunk guy.

987
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,880
And like, those would just be
like the characters in a movie.

988
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,920
And this it does that like it
goes back to 1950s Western movie

989
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,400
tropes in terms of how it
structures its characters, which

990
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,560
is great, especially for
American audiences because you

991
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,160
guys have been listening to us
try to pronounce Japanese names

992
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,360
this entire episode.
Like we don't know the

993
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,440
characters names, but you've got
like the nerdy professor and

994
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,120
then you've got the young cocky
guy and then you've got the old

995
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,560
grizzled captain.
And it's just like they're

996
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,160
archetypes of people who are who
are not real people, but also

997
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,560
like, it makes them that much
more endearing and it makes the

998
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,160
movie that much easier to
follow.

999
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,120
I just, I think it worked
perfectly for what they were

1000
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,040
trying to do here.
Brad.

1001
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,200
Yeah, I, Michael, I'm going to
throw this right to you.

1002
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,800
How do you feel like the
archetypal representation of

1003
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,840
these characters complements the
original archetypes?

1004
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Because from what you've told
me, like the original Godzilla

1005
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,880
film set in place like almost
like Japanese cultural monuments

1006
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,160
to like the different type of
characters that you can have in

1007
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,520
in Japanese cinema.
So like, how do you how do you

1008
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,040
feel like they honored that, but
maybe also moved it forward in

1009
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Godzilla Midas one?
Yeah, I mean, I I think exactly

1010
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,560
like what Bob was talking about
is there are these movies that

1011
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,760
influenced Japanese film from
the beginning, right.

1012
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,080
That Toho comes out of an era of
trying to create a Japanese

1013
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,600
identity in film, while
Hollywood is clearly the giant.

1014
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,200
It's the golden heyday of these
great big set pieces being made.

1015
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,360
And so how do you do something
so unique?

1016
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,720
And in the first one you have
these acting bits like.

1017
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,000
The classic woman who sees
something horrifying in the

1018
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
glass and throws her face into
the male protagonist's chest

1019
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,960
with this huge arc that sweeps
almost in a a golden ratio

1020
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,920
across the screen.
And you have these really big

1021
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,240
overacted moments that are very
classic of like vaudevillian

1022
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,720
effect.
And what I liked is that there's

1023
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,920
still some of that.
And then I, I found as I've

1024
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,760
watched, I saw several live
performances in Japan and we

1025
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,440
talked about Shogun is that
Shogun is a very westernized

1026
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,680
version.
And the difference is when I see

1027
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,360
something that's totally made by
the Japanese, it is this chance

1028
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,960
to really express emotional
fruits in a line in a way that

1029
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,360
they wouldn't often do.
We have these traditions of

1030
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,760
being very accommodating and
very polite and even stories of

1031
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,840
like, if you do something wrong
to somebody else, it's so

1032
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,760
similar to the Canadians where
you'd be like, oh, they'll say

1033
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,240
sorry 1st.
And what I like in Japanese

1034
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,040
media in this way is that
they're able to express

1035
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,920
explicitly, whereas we often in
the West go for a lot more

1036
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,800
subtlety of like, oh, look for
the subtext, right about the

1037
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,240
subtext.
And then we have big, big

1038
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,120
dramatic moments of expression.
And I found that this really

1039
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,160
compliments pushing this
narrative because they're able

1040
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,400
to explicit, explicitly say, and
it saves screen time.

1041
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,080
That's why this movie feels so
brisk that the pacing is so good

1042
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,000
because he struggles to say what
he wants to say throughout the

1043
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,040
entire film.
He can't say, I love this woman,

1044
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,160
I want to love this child, I
want to be healed, I want to put

1045
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,000
away my PTSD and be home.
All he can say is no, I'm not

1046
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,160
doing that.
I'm not marrying you.

1047
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
I won't marry her.
I won't face anything.

1048
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,040
I failed, but the rest of the
characters help buoy that along,

1049
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,520
and I think the writing is so
brilliant in this because

1050
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,760
they're able to give the
explicit frames of reference

1051
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,520
that allow the subtlety of his
character to really shine even

1052
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,680
when he is explicit.
Well, Brad, I want to kind of

1053
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,480
turn the question around back on
you because I think that this

1054
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,560
was something that you struggled
with in our first series of

1055
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,480
Kurosawa films, especially with
the characters that Tashiro

1056
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Mifune would play because he had
that physicality to him.

1057
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,320
And you know, we we talked a
little bit about it at the time.

1058
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,480
But I think Michael, you've hit
on this like when when it's a

1059
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,400
movie that is made entirely by
the Japanese, there's a

1060
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,480
performance style that's going
for emotional truth through like

1061
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,000
physicality.
And I'm wondering now, Brad,

1062
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,720
like, I guess all we've really
done is the Kurosawa movies and

1063
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,440
now this, but seeing like the
performance styles of this movie

1064
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,160
and how they're kind of calling
back to those Japanese

1065
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,520
productions of the 1950s and to
a theatrical style of

1066
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,600
performance that predates even
that.

1067
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,840
Like, has that helped you kind
of reframe, you know, the

1068
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,120
Dashiro Mifune character in
Rashomon or in Seven Samurai?

1069
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Does it make more sense now?
I guess?

1070
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,720
Yeah.
I I don't know if I'd say it

1071
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,920
makes more sense.
I think rash Man just didn't

1072
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,680
work for me the the more I
reflect on it but.

1073
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,920
I I hate so much that you call
it that.

1074
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:24,320
I hate it so much, Brad.
The The thing is it it works in

1075
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,800
certain films.
Like I really liked 7 Samurai.

1076
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,920
I I think I gave it a nine or a
nine and a half and and I liked

1077
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,680
it because Toshiro Mufune is
like one character among many

1078
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,840
and within the world of that
film, his buffoonery like really

1079
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:47,560
makes sense in rash Man.
It feels more like a a theater

1080
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,560
performance, like like, I don't
know, just didn't work for me.

1081
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,960
I think that for me, the
Kurosawa film, I'm glad you

1082
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,120
brought him up, that this
reminded me of was actually a

1083
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,520
Kiru.
Sure.

1084
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,400
Like there's multiple moments
throughout this movie where I

1085
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,960
was reminded of that film, Like
when they're sitting around the

1086
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,400
bar drinking and like talking
about life and the one guy picks

1087
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,920
up Shikashima and is like, why
didn't you marry her?

1088
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,360
And like that, you know, it's
that moment of really intense.

1089
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,720
You know, Michael, what you were
saying of like the other

1090
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:30,040
characters speaking for him, all
I could think of was the end of

1091
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,960
Akiru when they're all like
drunk and actually saying how

1092
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,840
they feel like it.
To me, that's an incredible call

1093
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,520
back.
Or when he is in the government

1094
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,720
office and he's trying to find
this mechanic who was on the

1095
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,840
island with him and who hates
his guts and he's trying to find

1096
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,560
him.
And the guy's like, look, man,

1097
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,640
it's, it's hard finding people.
So good luck.

1098
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,040
It's just just such an
incredible call back to Akiru in

1099
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,480
my mind.
Brad, I think that might

1100
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,120
actually be the perfect Segway
for us to get into our last

1101
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,360
segment of the day here, which
we call Let's Make it a double.

1102
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,160
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks Listening to

1103
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,080
the film and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1104
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,480
this one.
Even if it's struggling.

1105
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,000
It's the final segment of the
dinner.

1106
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,480
Let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1107
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,400
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1108
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,680
to make the perfect double
feature.

1109
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,160
Brad, in honor of Michael's
first appearance here, I'd like

1110
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,800
for him to kind of close us out
today.

1111
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,600
So I'll, I'll go ahead and go
first.

1112
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,280
We've talked about a lot of
movies here.

1113
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,920
We've talked about Kurosawa and
John Ford and Steven Spielberg.

1114
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,400
But I think the movie that I'm
going to link this to it, it's

1115
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,160
not Oppenheimer, but it is a
movie that came out a year prior

1116
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,720
and that is Top Gun Maverick.
I don't think that there's like

1117
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,880
a ton of overlap in terms of
what's happening in those two

1118
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,320
movies.
But when I think about Top Gun

1119
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,480
Maverick, I think about old
school film making that is just

1120
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:07,840
designed to be rousing and crowd
pleasing and on purpose cheesy

1121
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,240
because it's so earnest.
Like there are lines in this

1122
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,560
movie that they just barely pull
off.

1123
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Like there's a there's a moment
where Shikashima's like like I,

1124
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,240
I just want to be able to go
home or whatever.

1125
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,880
And and the the mechanics like
so did everybody else on that

1126
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,520
island, but instead they got
squished like bugs.

1127
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,040
I was like, that's not a
dramatic line.

1128
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,480
What what is this?
And I felt like Top Gun Maverick

1129
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,000
was the same way where you'd
have Jennifer Connelly look

1130
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,240
right at Tom Cruise and be like,
if you don't go save those boys,

1131
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,320
no one can do it.
You're Maverick.

1132
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,920
And you know what?
I freaking love that.

1133
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,800
I love horrible dialogue that is
pulled off with such earnestness

1134
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,560
that you don't care that it's
horrible.

1135
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,680
That's what the movies are about
to me.

1136
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,080
When Top Gun Maverick ended,
people clapped in the theater.

1137
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,200
When Godzilla -1 ended, people
clapped in the theater.

1138
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,760
So like, that's my pairing,
Brad.

1139
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,880
I don't know that I could ever
pick another one that I like

1140
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,720
better than that.
I like that your pairing is

1141
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,360
like, well, people clapped at
the end of this one and they

1142
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,440
also clapped at the end of
Godzilla, so.

1143
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,760
It doesn't happen very often
anymore, man.

1144
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,200
No, it it really doesn't.
I also experienced people

1145
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,160
clapping at the end of Top Gun
Maverick, so I think it's a

1146
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,280
great pairing.
I am going to go in a wildly

1147
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,240
different direction, Bob.
Like there could not be two

1148
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,040
movies more dissimilar than Top
Gun Maverick.

1149
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:41,600
And what I'm about to say I I
was really struck by the

1150
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:47,240
attention to post war Japan in
this film and like illustrating

1151
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,720
the horrors of rebuilding that I
am actually going to pair this

1152
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,600
movie with a Victoria de Sica
classic, Bicycle Thieves.

1153
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Oh, interesting.
It would be the weirdest

1154
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,000
movement.
I I would encourage you to watch

1155
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,520
Bicycle Thieves first and end
with a nice rousing Kaiju film.

1156
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:16,600
There's just so much about
Bicycle Thieves that felt real

1157
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,520
and felt like, this raw honesty
of, like, what the heck are we

1158
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,000
supposed to do after the most
horrific event our country has

1159
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,960
experienced?
And it it's that place where

1160
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,040
Shikashima is, like, looking for
work.

1161
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,840
And he finds this horrific job,
you know, taking care of

1162
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,800
abandoned mines that had been
laid during the war.

1163
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,840
That feels like, yeah, this is
the only thing I can do if I

1164
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,439
want to care for my family.
And like, that is so core to

1165
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,560
what was happening in Italy and
what, you know you see in

1166
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:57,800
Bicycle Thieves and whether it's
the loss of a bicycle that means

1167
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:04,479
you can't work or the the
magnificent power of Godzilla

1168
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,439
destroying Japan.
Like they weirdly feel like very

1169
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,080
similar films examining the
trauma of war on a human

1170
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,160
population.
Great pairing, man.

1171
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,200
All right, Michael, no pressure,
but we're thrown over to you

1172
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,800
now, man.
Yeah, I'm, I'm really torn.

1173
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,560
I'm going to be honest.
I know we said double, maybe I'm

1174
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,880
a drunkard, but I'm thinking
about a triple because there's

1175
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,439
these two that really, really
grabbed me.

1176
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,840
There's one.
If I was going to go full atomic

1177
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,319
bomb era thoughts, I think the
other pairing would be the first

1178
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:46,760
pairing would be the Grave of
the Fireflies, which is about

1179
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:54,400
orphans in the last few months
of the Pacific theater and them

1180
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:00,000
dealing with the horrors of
family being lost and bonding to

1181
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,400
your family through tragedy and
trying to protect one another

1182
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,000
and really take care of one
another.

1183
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,640
And I think the reason I would
start with that pairing is

1184
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,040
because if you really want to
settle into what does this mean

1185
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,560
to the Japanese people, then
that is a great way to go.

1186
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,320
And I would start with Grave
with Fireflies because it's it's

1187
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,080
so heavy.
It's maybe one of the most

1188
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,400
depressing films you could
watch.

1189
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,280
But then to follow up with
Godzilla -1 is this is what

1190
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,960
happened 70 years later.
There was a time when Fidel

1191
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,400
Castro visited, I think it was
Nagasaki, and he could see that

1192
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,040
was being rebuilt and he called
it fake.

1193
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:40,760
He said this just feels fake and
like a shambles of a city that

1194
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,120
was having seen both Nagasaki
and Hiroshima, you can see the

1195
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,200
beauty and the resilience of the
Japanese people and what their

1196
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,480
investments back into their
communities have done.

1197
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,160
The other one that I would give
as an option is maybe, you know,

1198
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,440
Top Gun Maverick is a really fun
one, But if you want to know

1199
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:59,880
like why Godzilla is so goofy
and you want to, you know, have

1200
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,880
a couple beers with your buddies
and goof off, I would possibly

1201
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,360
do the Godzilla versus Orga
Japanese movie where is just the

1202
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,920
silliness of Godzilla to its
Max.

1203
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,240
There's you're talking about
hokey lines, Bob.

1204
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,680
I don't think you'd make it
through this movie.

1205
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,200
It is nothing but hokey lines.
The plot makes no sense.

1206
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:23,440
Godzilla Godzilla destroys, but
is also on everyone's team and

1207
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,680
it's confusing.
And that's what to me is like

1208
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,800
quintessential funny Godzilla is
that you have this guy in a suit

1209
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,280
and you're like, oh, he's on our
side.

1210
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,840
Well, he did kill half the
military and then he tried to

1211
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,120
save us from the aliens and they
introduced all these stupid plot

1212
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,520
points, characters you can never
remember the names of, who are

1213
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,360
acting like their journalism is
what's going to save the day.

1214
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,760
It's incredible.
So if you want a more light

1215
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,720
hearted option and you want to
make fun of the worst American

1216
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,720
dubbing you've ever heard in
your life, then the not the 2000

1217
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,280
Matthew Broderick that does not
exist and they make fun of it.

1218
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:07,920
But the 2000 Japanese Godzilla
versus Orga is is a perfect one.

1219
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,760
All right, so there you have it.
Those are our Let's Make it a

1220
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,640
Double picks.
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1221
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,280
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1222
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,120
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1223
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,320
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1224
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1225
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1226
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,720
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1227
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,840
I think it's time we give this
movie some final scores.

1228
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,200
I watched this film, you know,
for what, the fifth time or

1229
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,120
whatever in less than ideal
circumstances, like I'm in a

1230
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,920
hotel, like I have my laptop and
then I watch part of it on my

1231
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,000
phone.
So not as God intended me to

1232
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,400
watch this film.
And I will say like the

1233
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,720
experience suffered a little
bit.

1234
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,760
It was probably like an 8 1/2 to
a nine for me.

1235
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,040
But I've seen this movie like 5
Times Now.

1236
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,400
And I know when this movie works
and you watch it in the correct

1237
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,960
environment, it really works.
This is I'm going to give it a

1238
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,920
9.5 out of 10.
Brad I really love this movie.

1239
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,520
Yeah, I, we didn't even talk
about the ending of the film.

1240
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:14,320
Like there, there is an element
of predictability in this movie

1241
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,120
where, you know, he's he's
rebuilt this specialized plane

1242
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,760
that the mechanic has rebuilt
this specialized plane for

1243
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,880
Shikashima.
And he goes one more thing and

1244
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,560
then it cuts away and you're
like, oh, the one more thing is

1245
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,480
that there's an ejection seat
and he's not going to die.

1246
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,640
Right.
OK, cool, cool, cool.

1247
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,160
And then the Sumiko, the
neighbor gets a telegram for

1248
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,160
Misses Shikashima.
And you're like, oh, yeah, he

1249
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,320
like, Noriko is not dead.
And they're going to meet at the

1250
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,720
end.
And like, I knew everything that

1251
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,400
was going to happen and when it
happened I freaking wept.

1252
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Did not care at all.
Yeah, dude.

1253
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:57,880
I didn't care at all.
It was perfect when his when his

1254
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,240
Co conspirators like see him
falling, you know, through the

1255
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:07,080
sky in a parachute and they cut
back and they show Shikashima

1256
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,840
being told there's an ejection
seat and the mechanic goes, your

1257
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,560
life is worth living.
I'm like, yeah, man, your life

1258
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,360
is worth living.
And then he walks in and he's

1259
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,600
got the little girl in his arms.
We didn't even talk.

1260
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,640
We barely mentioned move aside,
Hailey, Joel Osmond.

1261
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,760
I think we have the greatest
child performance of all time.

1262
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,720
We certainly have the most
convincing crying.

1263
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,880
Like it's it's not really good.
As far as soon as she starts

1264
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,600
crying it's like oh man, like
she is feeling this.

1265
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,160
Yeah, as, as somebody who has a
2 year old daughter currently,

1266
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,640
I, I cried.
I like watching her and like

1267
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,440
seeing Shikashima decide like
I'm going to go kill myself so

1268
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,880
that she has a better life.
And I'm like, no man, you're the

1269
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:59,840
better life.
Stay alive, Bob.

1270
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,240
I'm with you. 9.5.
There's so much of this movie

1271
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:08,680
that it should be like an 8 out
of 10, but for some reason, man,

1272
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:14,240
it works for my soul and I love
it, and it's sincere and earnest

1273
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,960
and it's great, man, I love it.
All right, Michael, how about

1274
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,080
you, man?
What could I give it besides my

1275
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,480
Godzilla heart wants to give it
a 10 out of 10.

1276
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:28,120
And I think if I'm with you,
there's some moments that are

1277
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,480
like 9.5.
But because this feels like my

1278
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:36,440
childhood manifest, it's it's a
perfect 10 for me in that I rate

1279
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:39,120
movies a lot of times on what
are they trying to accomplish.

1280
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:44,040
I think it's unfair to often we
say like, well, we compare it to

1281
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,600
this movie and it doesn't really
hold up like this one didn't.

1282
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,520
It's like, well, it's not that
movie, It's its own movie.

1283
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:54,480
And Godzilla -1 regardless of
the cultural context of this,

1284
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,640
the longest running IP in the
world in, in movies, regardless

1285
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,240
of that as its own weight, that
if we, if you saw this and you

1286
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,920
said, hey, this is an atomic
bomb reflection, that would be

1287
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,640
enough.
And it would put it, you know,

1288
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,760
in the upper, upper levels.
And then to have all this weight

1289
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,680
behind it and really capture and
make that idea for us, I think

1290
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,240
puts that so high.
And what I love I, I, we didn't

1291
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,400
really talk about the framing of
this movie other than having

1292
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,160
some of the, where the props
were placed and, and blocking.

1293
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,080
But I think the framing is so
pretty and the coloring team did

1294
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,600
such a good job that every
scene, that scene where he's

1295
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,440
zoomed in and screaming at
Godzilla as the atomic waste

1296
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,120
rains down on him, and the
scenes of them looking out over

1297
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,760
the harbor and him flying around
in the plane around Godzilla as

1298
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,520
he smashes through an ancient
house.

1299
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,960
You know, these things all
pulled together that even if you

1300
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,400
were watching it silently, it
just feels heartfelt.

1301
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,000
And as my friends in a lot of
media talk about, it has soul.

1302
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,760
It has so much soul to it.
So for me, on the emotional

1303
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,560
level and on the cinematic
level, it's got a 10 out of 10.

1304
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,240
Can I just say when I, when I
saw the plane for the first time

1305
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:17,000
and they kind of like pan around
and you see like that the the

1306
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,600
propellers on the back end and
it's, it's almost like the plane

1307
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,160
gets cut off at a certain point.
Yes, All I could think about is

1308
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,640
those like tiny mini cars.
You know what I'm talking about.

1309
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,320
Like a smart car.
Yeah, literally.

1310
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,040
That's all I could think of was
a smart car.

1311
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,920
I was like.
It's a smart car airplane.

1312
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,120
He says one more thing,
actually, what they caught out

1313
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,160
of the movie, you didn't see
this part, but they cut out.

1314
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,680
This is way more fuel efficient,
which is good for the

1315
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,720
environment.
And he looked directly into the

1316
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:48,640
camera.
Yeah, all right guys, so it's a

1317
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,400
9.5 on average for me and Brad,
but we'd like to know what you

1318
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,880
think.
Have you seen Godzilla -1 where

1319
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,320
does it rank among the Godzilla
films for you?

1320
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You can let us know on any of
our social media platforms,

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Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
Tiktok or YouTube at Film

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Whiskey.
Or if you want to join the

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conversation, you can jump on
our Discord server.

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We are on there everyday talking
about movies and whiskey and

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Kaiju, at least for the next few
weeks.

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So if you'd like to join us, you
can find a link at the end of

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every single one of our show
notes.

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Michael, thank you for being
with us today.

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It it does honor to my heart.
I literally fit Bob for your

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reference.
I finished watching the movie

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and I called Michael and I said,
Michael, I have the most

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important question I'm ever
going to ask you in my life.

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Will you teach me everything you
know about Godzilla and I, I and

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if I had to guess, Michael you,
it was the closest we've ever

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been.
It's, Oh my gosh, Brad, it's

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actually really crazy that
technology's been able to cut

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out everything but my voice over
the phone because the loud thump

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that I made as I collapsed onto
the ground was just my heart

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just leaping while my body
failed.

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It was great.
So you've been one of my closest

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friends for years and is so fun
after getting to hear you guys

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go back and forth about Star
Wars and so many other movies,

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it's been It's a real honor to
be on here and an honor to be

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your friend.
And Bob, thanks for letting me

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explore both my personal
clothing accessories and my

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movie tastes with you.
Listen man, you and your

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underwear are welcome back
anytime.

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Thanks so much for joining us
today, man.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
And folks, we'll be back next

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week to round out season #9 it's
our last film of our 32 and

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we're ending with a bang.
We're going to do 2014's John

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Wick, so join us for that next
week.

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But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I I think it's more of a bang,

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bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,
bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,

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bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,
bang.

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I'm Brad.
G and we'll see you next time.

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None.