The Social Network / Blanton's Gold

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Let's get to the show in 2010
director, David Fincher and

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starred.
Jesse Eisenberg.

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Gave the world.
An incisive drama about the

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Inception of a social media
Juggernaut in 2020 and

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international favorite hits the
u.s. shores for the first time.

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The film is the social network.
The whiskey is Blanton's gold

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and we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at
David Fincher's, 2010 film The

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Social Network, you know?
I've already apologized in the

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Crimson to the a bhw too far as
a Latina and to any women at

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Harvard who may have been
insulted as they take it that

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they were.
As for any charges stemming from

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the breach of security, I
believe I deserve some

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recognition from this board.
I'm sorry.

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Yes, I don't understand which
part Brad.

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This is I feel like this movie
is kind of a big deal in the

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history of our podcast and like
obviously we have been reviewing

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nothing but Classics for three
seasons now but this is one of

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those few movies that's come out
in the 21st century that I think

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keep generating more and more
Buzz.

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The longer.
It ages we're looking at it on

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its Tenth anniversary.
It's been a decade.

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I feel like we can objectively
kind of Why's this movie better

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now, but I think over the last
10 years, this movie's

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reputation has just continued to
soar and in no small part

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because of what we've actually
seen from Facebook, over the

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last 10 years and how it has
come to consume our lives.

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This movie, I feel like can't
really be separated from its

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subject matter.
And I keep seeing, you know,

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critics all over the place
talking about is this the most

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important movie of the new
century?

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So I guess it's probably a good
thing we're getting around to

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talking about it.
Well, the fascinating thing

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about this, Movie Bob.
Is it be almost like if you

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wrote a biography about Clint
Eastwood when he was like 50,

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you know what I mean?
Like, the dude has gone on for

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almost another 50 years worth of
movies and directing and writing

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and all these things.
And so, when you watch The

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Social Network, like it's about
events that happened five to

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seven years before the movie was
actually made.

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And so it really is fascinating
to See this film in light of

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what Facebook has done from 2010
to 2020 in the real world, it

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really is a unique film in that
aspect.

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Yeah, Brad.
I feel like there's only been a

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few movies with this level of
exposure that have done that in

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movie history.
You can look back to the 1970s

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and look at movies, like All the
President's Men Who were, you

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know, reporting on how the
Watergate story got broken, just

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a few years after it happened,
but I think the closest analogy

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we could make Brad is a he that
we just did a couple months ago

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on this podcast and that would
be Citizen Kane.

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And I think that that's actually
a really appropriate comparison

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because the themes of both of
those movies, I think are also

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very similar.
I have more than one time seen

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this movie compared to Citizen
Kane and talking about how it is

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the Citizen Kane of the 21st
century in terms of the subject

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matter, a guy who amasses all
the power he possibly can

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pushing people away getting back
at people but longing at the end

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of the day, For deep human
intimacy that he can never have.

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And I don't think that's an
unfair comparison to make.

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I just don't know if I like
comparing it to Citizen Kane in

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terms of its overall quality.
Well, I think I would agree with

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you Bob.
I think that the social network

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shines because it has Aaron
Sorkin as a writer.

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And what what he does in this
movie is really impressive

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because at the very, he bookends
the movie with comments about

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Mark Zuckerberg.
Surberg being an asshole, you

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know, at the start of the film,
it's Erica.

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Albright his girlfriend, his
sophomore year college saying

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like, you know what, man, you're
just an asshole.

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Like, you are the worst and you
can kind of see why she thinks

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that.
I'm sorry officially impressed

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with my education.
I'm sorry.

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I don't have a robot.
So we're even, we should just be

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friends.
I don't want friends.

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I was just being polite.
I have no intention of being

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friends, is under some pressure
right now, from IOS class.

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And if we could just order some
food, I think we should You are

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probably going to be a very
successful computer person.

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You're going to go through life
thinking that girls don't like

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you because you're a nerd.
And I want you to know from the

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bottom of my heart that that
would be true.

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Be because you're an asshole and
at the end of the film, you have

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a young lawyer played by Rashida
Jones saying you know like

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you're not an asshole.
It just seems like you're trying

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really hard to be one.
Yeah he bookends the A movie

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with this question is Mark
Zuckerberg and asshole.

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And if you watch the entire
movie, with that question, in

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your mind, I think it really
takes this movie to the next

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level, because you see how
Sorkin writes every scene around

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that question.
And it's so focused of a movie

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that I can see why critics have
fallen in love with this film.

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Yeah, I think there's a ton of
things to praise here.

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I think there's also some stuff
to nitpick.

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This is one of those movies that
I think as its reputation has

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grown, I've gone back to.
I've probably seen this movie 10

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times I would say, and, and
that's no small feat for a

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movie, that's only 10 years old.
But I think the more and more

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people seem to fall in love with
this movie.

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The More I go back to it in
Wonder, like, does this really

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deserve to be held up as the
movie of the 21st century and so

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Brad, I'm excited to kind of get
into that and answer this

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question with you today, but the
first question that I have for

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you is, have you seen this movie
prior to watching it for our

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podcast?
I sure have Bob, all right, how

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many times have you seen a now
just once?

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Well, just once before the
podcast, I think I had watched

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it at some point when I was in
college around two Thousand

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Eleven or twelve, most likely.
And I remember the first time I

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saw thinking like, oh, that was
a, that was a pretty good movie.

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Like I learned more about
Facebook, I think, but maybe I

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didn't because it's, you know,
Hollywood and you never know how

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real that actually is going to
be.

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So I remember walking away the
first time and being like,

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That's fine.
Movie.

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It was like seven and a half
eight out of ten.

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Maybe.
Alright, I think that's pretty

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acceptable and Brad.
Now that you've seen it this

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time.
I think you probably know the

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Contours of the movie a little
bit better which means you can

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explain to our audience, maybe
some of whom haven't seen this

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film what the movie is about.
And so it's time for our

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favorite segment planet, Earth's
favorite segments, Brad the

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galaxies.
That's raybert, seg-y, limited

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to Earth.
This segment is called Brad

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explains.
It's where Brad break.

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Is down the plot of the movie
that he has just seen often for

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the first time that is not the
case today.

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And so Brad, we are expecting an
absolute home.

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Run of an explanation, can you
break down the plot of the

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movie?
The Social Network, Facebook

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wasn't real, and then Mark,
Zuckerberg made it real boom,

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that's it, he made it, he did
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Oh man.
Now the social network is about

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a young sophomore at Harvard
University and he Yates this

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crazy cool thing called Facebook
he comes around to the idea in a

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roundabout kind of way when he
his girlfriend breaks up with

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him and he's writing a blog post
about it and his roommate brings

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up the idea of like making a
website where you could say if a

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girl or a farm animal is hotter
and he gets her to the farm,

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animal part, but he actually
creates a website called face

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smash where there's just
literally two girls from Harvard

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and you Ed, which one is hotter
and it breaks the Harvard

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internet, which I can't imagine
would be very hard back in 2003,

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but it destroys the internet
servers and he kind of becomes a

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big deal and he's approached by
the Winklevoss.

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Conglomerates might be a good
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It sees its these twin brothers
who are basically Terminator and

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they're like, rich and famous
and their dad is an investor and

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Wall Street, and they are trying
to The next big internet

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sensation and they come up with
an idea for a website where

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you're able to socially interact
with friends at school and you'd

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have pictures.
And you can talk about if you're

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in a relationship and post on
each other's walls and all sorts

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of things and they approached
the Zuckerberg after his face.

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Wait hold on.
Can I can I interject one thing?

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And the most important thing
about their idea is that you

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have to have a harvard.edu
that's email.

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That is very true because it's
exclusive that the exact you

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have to know, they use that word
like 19 times in like two

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seconds.
It's very exclusive.

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And so it's this exclusive
website where only the Harvard

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Elite can socialize with one
another online.

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They approached Zuckerberg about
writing code for the website.

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After his you know smash hit a
girl comparison website and he

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is like yep I'll do it.
And then he goes off to his best

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friend Eduardo And is like, hey
Eduardo like we need to make

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this website and it's going to
be awesome and he pretty much

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makes what the Winklevoss twins
had thought of without them.

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And he Dodges them.
And is sending them emails, back

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and forth saying that he's busy
and he won't meet with them.

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And at this point in the movie,
you start to realize that it's

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actually a flashback movie.
And the present time is

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Zuckerberg in two separate
lawsuits, one against his

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supposedly.
A former best friend, Eduardo

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Saverin, and the and a separate
lawsuit against the Winklevoss

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twins.
And the entire movie is then

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told in a flashback sequence of
different parts of Zuckerberg is

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life.
As he is creating Facebook, it's

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about how Zuckerberg slowly
builds relationships in the tech

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world.
Most notably with Sean Parker,

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one of the co-creators of
Napster and how sean helped

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launch Facebook from being a
smaller term, million-dollar

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idea into a massive billion
dollar idea and The movie

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explores how Zuckerberg slowly
pushes certain people away from

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him, how he is antisocial and it
really revolves around.

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This question of is Mark
Zuckerberg, a person that can be

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liked and you're not really sure
where it ends into the, at the

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end of the film.
But by the time we get to, the

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end of film Facebook has been
created.

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He is out in California, they
have a massive office space.

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Sean Parker is arrested.
There's all sorts of crazy.

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See stuff happening, but it all
comes down to this girl.

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Erica Albright that had broken
up with him at the start.

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He friend requests her and your
left kind of wondering like, was

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it all worth it?
Brad.

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Excellent job sir.
Well thank you.

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Yeah.
And as you were talking I was

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going to ask you this and and
it's a completely leading

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question.
But what do you see as the

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overall theme of this movie?
Like not not just what was the

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movie about?
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the main point?
They're trying to get a Across

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with this film, man.
I, I mean, I think you could go

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in on deeper levels that might
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in 2020, I look at this movie
and I go, man, this movie is

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about how a person couldn't hold
real life, human relationships.

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And so he created a website so
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relationships.
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And I don't know if that's
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Zuckerberg, I will fully say
Haley and I watched this movie

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together and when we were
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watched a few different
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media.
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I think Jesse Eisenberg nailed a
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of the way he talked, but I feel
like Eisenberg, took it a little

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bit too far into making him an
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So is that something that you
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So I think this is a good place
to have this conversation.

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I thought maybe we'd have it in
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one of the things that comes up
for me, even before we get into,

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like the nuts and bolts of the
film itself is kind of the

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ethics behind the making of this
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Because, you know, we've talked
about, we've been talking about

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this a lot lately Brad, with our
musical biopics miniseries.

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And how it's weird to see
biopics made about people while

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they're still alive.
And not only, are you getting a

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biopic or, you know,
quote-unquote, a biopic about a

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person that still alive, like
you said, it's coming.

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Like five years after the events
happened and Sorkin and Fincher

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and Company were all very
careful to say that they

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purposely kind of fictionalized.
This account of Zuckerberg that

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they took him as an archetype.
That they used his story but

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they made him purposely
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person Zuckerberg and that comes
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performance, he's much more cold
and calculated he speaks much

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quicker.
I mean if you've ever watched

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Mark, Zuckerberg, like when he
was giving testimony to

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Congress, the man is like Sweaty
and nervous and can't string a

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sentence together.
This is a very different Mark

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Zuckerberg.
This fictional character.

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We see than the one in real
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He's been, he's been Sorkin
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Exactly.
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wonder though, regardless of
what we think of Mark

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Zuckerberg.
And I have many thoughts and

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feelings on what he's created
and and what it's done to our

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society, is it fair to do this
to a person not only while

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they're still alive?
But then to use them as an

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archetype and a jump.
Off point using their name,

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using their likeness and getting
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Exactly.
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But then also completely
fictionalizing other things and

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it brings me back to this kind
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Like, is there an Ethics behind
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this that we just don't talk
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good.
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the fact that story is often so
much more powerful than cold

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hard facts and reality.
And so, So, regardless of

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whether or not Zuckerberg is as
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what people will remember about
him, aren't his interviews on,

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you know, Good Morning America
or him in the Senate, chambers

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being interviewed by senators in
the end, what they're going to

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remember is a powerful and
captivating story written by

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Aaron, Sorkin, directed by
David, Fincher, and acted by

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Jesse Eisenberg.
And I and so I think that That

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you can claim all you want like,
oh, just, hey, guys, this is

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fictionalized, you know, it's a,
it's a representation of maybe

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some parts of Zuckerberg
personality, but not all of

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them.
But in the end, Baba, I feel

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like biopics, like, this are so
hard because people always want

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to believe what they see in the
movies are true.

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And so, when they see a movie
that has some modicum of Truth

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in it, they want to just assign
all truth to it.

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Well and I really think that's
unfair.

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It is unfair and I well, So that
that part is unfair to the

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makers of the movie, but I also
think it is unfair for the

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makers of the movie to try to
have their cake and eat it too

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where they say like no this is
not a biopic we've pert.

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We've purposely fictionalized
this man's life to tell a

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different story, but also we're
going to use his name and try to

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convince you that this is what
really happened.

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It seems like they wanted to
craft a narrative where they

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made Zuckerberg either a tragic
hero or a villain however you

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want to Are you, however, you
want to interpret it but then

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when they get called out on the
lack of accuracy, they say,

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well, we've never wanted to be
accurate in the first place.

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It just kind of seems like
they're trying to play both

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sides of it.
Well, and that's the thing I

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when I look at this, if this was
a 100% fake movie that had just

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been made up, I think that this
movie actually would come across

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better.
Like this is an incredibly tight

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film that is for.
That is just the cinematography

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is great.
I think that the story is told

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in a captivating and Powerful
manner that if it was 100% fake

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about fake people and they just
made it up, it would be one of

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the most captivating movies I've
ever seen.

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But because I know for a fact
that it's about a real human

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being, I spent the whole movie
asking myself, huh?

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I wonder if this is really
about.

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Mark Zuckerberg is or not, were
you leading them on for six

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weeks up then why didn't you
raise any of these concerns

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before it's raining?
I'm sorry.

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It just started raining mr.
Zuckerberg do, I have your full

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attention?
No.

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Do you think I deserve it?
What do you think?

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I deserve your full attention.
I had to swear an oath before we

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began this deposition and I
don't want to perjure myself.

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So I have a legal obligation to
say, no.

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Okay.
No, you don't think I deserve

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your attention.
I think if your clients want to

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sit on my shoulders and call
themselves tall, they have a

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right to give it a try, but
there's no requirement that I

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enjoy sitting here.
Listening to people lie, you

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have part of my attention, you
have the minimum amount, the

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rest of my attention is back at
the offices of Facebook.

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Facebook, where my colleagues
and I are doing things that no

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one in this room, including and
especially your clients are

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intellectually or creatively
capable of doing that.

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I put me answer your
condescending question and I

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think that that detracted from
the movie for me.

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Well, and I think this is one of
the things that that is a pet

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peeve of mine with Aaron Sorkin
in general.

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And I, like Aaron Sorkin a lot,
but I think that like, I think

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that we have decided as a
society to, like, fall down at

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his feet and worship him as
like, the god of screenwriting

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and With Sorkin I think it's not
just that it's Hit or Miss it's

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that you have to be all in on it
because Sorkin rights house or

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can rights.
And so it either works for you

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or it doesn't.
And I think that in this movie

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in particular I really am
impressed with some of what he

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does.
Like that opening scene is

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always called out for being like
you know I don't know how many

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pages of dialogue that's
uninterrupted and ending with

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that incredible line about it's
because you're an asshole but

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Brad I was Actually watching an
interview with Aaron Sorkin,

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where he talked about this movie
in particular and he said that

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the Facebook of it, all the
Zuckerberg of it.

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All is incidental.
That that what he was interested

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in?
He read the story of how

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Facebook was created and he saw
in it and more Universal story,

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right?
This, this Citizen Kane kind of

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story and he essentially said
this movie could have been about

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somebody who just invented a
really cool new toaster and it

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would have played exactly the
same and that really pissed me

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off.
Hear him say that because Aaron

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Sorkin is too smart to try to
play dumb like that.

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This movie is 100% reliant on
audience, recognition of what

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Facebook is and also his own
recognition of what Facebook is.

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Like, if you don't have the
layer of the story of he made a

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social networking site, he made
a site where other people go to

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meet each other and go to have
connections with each other

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because a he was, he was looked
over by all.

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The final clubs that he wanted
to get into and be, it was the

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only place where he could create
that environment for himself.

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I think with this movie, what
Sorkin is trying to do?

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Like I said before, is have his
cake and eat it too.

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He wants to convince us that
there's a more Universal story

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being told here, but he's also
like hyper aware of the irony of

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a very antisocial guy.
Being responsible for humanities

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social interaction now, like and
I feel like, what pisses me off

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about listening to stork and
talk about this movie?

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Is that he To have it both ways
and it's very obvious that he

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can't write.
I mean, if you made a movie

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about how people made toast
together, nobody would watch it.

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Well, I mean, there's a really
great movie that came out a few

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years ago called the founder.
I don't know if you've seen it

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Brad, it had Michael Keaton in
it playing.

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Ray Kroc, the guy that took
McDonald's and made it into the

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Empire that it was today, and
it's very similar to this.

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But even then like the fact that
it's McDonald's plays a huge

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role in it.
Like this guy changed, how

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America viewed only like, Honest
ownership and, and diet and

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everything else.
And so, like you can't just

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divorce the subject from what
they did.

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Like, it's essential to telling
the story that Sorkin is trying

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to tell here.
Well and that's and that's the

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issue.
When you look at any sort of

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media adaptation of real events.
I mean heck, but I look, you

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know, I run a wedding business
and so I see wedding photos all

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the time and some of these
wedding photos are so heavily

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edited that, I don't think that
they actually represent reality

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and what was happening on that
day and sure they look beautiful

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but There's a part of me that
goes well you're not getting the

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actual facts of really what
happened?

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And so, I think any time you
take the literal human existence

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and experience, and you true
humans just can't create a true

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replica of reality that will
ever replace reality.

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Like we will never know about
what actually happened between

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the Winklevoss Twins and
Zuckerberg will never know.

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I actually what happened between
Zuckerberg and Eduardo, like

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these things are just lost to
history.

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And the crazy thing is, you can
even have video camera footage

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of what happened and still not,
really get the full picture of

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what happened.
And so I think this movie really

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does tie into the idea that
everything is editorialize.

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Yeah, everything has an opinion
on it and Sorkin like you said

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can't just act like oh, this is
just This is just a story about

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an archetypal human character.
A platonic ideal like it's just

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not.
You just can't have that.

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Well, and that's the funny thing
is like, the one of the themes

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of the movie.
Is this idea of the truth lying

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somewhere in the middle?
Like you have conflicting

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accounts of the same thing in
the movie and then in the

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real-life conversation about
this movie, on the one hand, you

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have this idea that it's just a
movie about how Facebook was

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made which is false.
And on the other hand, you have

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Aaron Sorkin, the guy who wrote
the movie saying Facebook isn't

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An essential to the story.
I was trying to tell which is

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also completely false, you have
to have both things kind of

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working in tandem.
Well if there's anything that is

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essential to this podcast, Bob
it is you know these movies we

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watch but probably more
important is the whiskey that we

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drink and this Blanton's gold is
just too tempting to leave by

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the side, any longer.
Yeah Brad let's get into

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drinking it.
Alright, so today we are

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checking out Blanton's gold.
Now, if you have been listening

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to the podcast for the last few
weeks, you will remember that.

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We first tried Blanton Single
Barrel a few weeks back.

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And again, everything comes with
the caveat that when you are

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drinking Single Barrel whiskeys,
there is a ton of variation

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that's possible.
So the barrel that we got may be

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00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,700
very different from whatever
barrel of Blanton's.

448
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:35,400
You got your hands on but Brad
and I were not fans of blatant,

449
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,700
single barrel.
And in particular, the sample

450
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:42,100
that we got was Was the
harshest, Kentucky hug that

451
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:43,900
we've ever had when drinking a
bourbon.

452
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,300
And so, I reached out to the
people that send us that sample,

453
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,800
which was our friends Bourbon
and stuff on Instagram.

454
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,100
They also provided us with the
sample of Blanton's gold today

455
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:55,700
and when I asked them like, hey,
are you sure you didn't send us

456
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,100
something different, they went
back and tried that blatant

457
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,000
single-barrel.
They said nope, you absolutely

458
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,500
are spot-on with your notes
here.

459
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,500
It's really harsh but they
promised us that the Blanton's.

460
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,500
Gold was going to be different.
And so Brad, I am looking

461
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,800
forward to that experience, at
the Released.

462
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,500
Yeah.
And Bob this kind of comes back

463
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:16,100
to a frustration that I have
with single barrels is that you

464
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:19,900
just don't know what you're
gonna get other than the price,

465
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:21,800
you know exactly what you get in
there.

466
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,000
And if it's Blanton's it's gonna
be if you're lucky $60 and

467
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,400
otherwise it's going to be 80,
100 120 or more for this

468
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Blanton's.
And so when you know, you're

469
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,200
going to pay that much for an
uncertain drinking experience

470
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,500
that kind of knocks Blanton's.
Down a peg in my mind.

471
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,700
Well, and that's that's the
frustration that we continually

472
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:44,200
have with Buffalo Trace
products.

473
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,000
They have become Masters at
allocating their products at

474
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800
driving up demand and then
people having to chase it on the

475
00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:53,300
secondary market and you quoted
a 60 dollar price tag for

476
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,500
blatant single-barrel.
This Blanton's gold is

477
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,000
significantly more than that
Brad.

478
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
And we'll get into that price
here in a little bit, but just a

479
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,100
little bit of quick background
on Blanton's.

480
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:06,500
Gold, this used to be a product
that was only sold overseas.

481
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,200
It was kind of gonna call it
like, a tourist trap but it

482
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,300
Something that, you know,
Travelers in airports in Japan

483
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,100
would be on the lookout for
because they want to pick a

484
00:27:14,108 --> 00:27:16,200
bottle up and bring it back to
the States because it wasn't

485
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
sold here.
It's a really brilliant business

486
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,700
model because only people who
were traveling or who lived

487
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,200
overseas, could try this very
specific brand of Blanton's,

488
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,400
Buffalo Trace decided just this
year to start releasing

489
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,400
Blanton's gold in the United
States again after driving up

490
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,500
demand like crazy because people
couldn't get it.

491
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,900
So it just dropped in the United
States.

492
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:37,900
It's only been available here
for a few months.

493
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,600
This is a 103 proof, whiskey as
opposed to the 93 proof regular

494
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,100
Single Barrel.
This is also a Single Barrel

495
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,400
Bourbon.
So everything we say today comes

496
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,800
with that caveat that what we're
saying is true for the Barrel in

497
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,300
our glass, not necessarily the
one in yours.

498
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,500
Yeah.
And as I look at this whiskey

499
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,200
Bob it's really got a beautiful
color to it.

500
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,700
A nice golden Amber.
It's got some nice legs.

501
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,600
You can tell the viscosity is a
little bit higher and man when I

502
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,900
knows it it is There's some nice
dried fruit notes on it.

503
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,700
There's a little bit of classic
vanilla and caramel.

504
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,900
I am just really enjoying this
on the nose Bob.

505
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Yeah, one thing that I will say
Brad and I think we might

506
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000
diverge on the nose here B.
This does remind me of the, the

507
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,300
Blanton Single Barrel that we
tried, because it is very Oak,

508
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,700
heavy on the nose for me, and
that's something we pointed out

509
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,800
the last time around.
It does remind me kind of Eagle

510
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,600
Rare in that regard that the oak
is really, really prominent and

511
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,300
really, really Heavy on this
nose for me, kind of to the

512
00:28:41,308 --> 00:28:42,900
point where the alcohol in the
oak.

513
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Are the two prominent notes for
me.

514
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,300
I do get a bit of that dried
fruit.

515
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,900
Like you said, kind of
undercutting it, but I think

516
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:52,000
that the oak is so dominant on
this, that I don't know what

517
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,700
this is going to translate to on
the taste.

518
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:57,600
So I'm only going to give it a
six out of ten on the nose by.

519
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,300
I'm a little ways off from you.
I'm at an 8 out of 10 on the

520
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,200
nose.
I think there's a there's almost

521
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,200
like a little hint of Apple at
the end of the nose for me, the

522
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,900
oakiness isn't overpowering.
I don't know where that's coming

523
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,300
from, but there's a little bit
of oakiness there.

524
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:17,800
That's nice and smooth to me.
It's leading me to expect some

525
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,500
pretty good things from the
palette.

526
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Well, Brad, let's give it a
taste and find out what we

527
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,600
think.
Huh, that's watery.

528
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,900
It was yours.
Watery, I don't know if I'd call

529
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:35,700
it watery, I'd call it my older
than the last one we had.

530
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:41,000
That's an interesting palette.
I'm not sure if I my nose, led

531
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,900
me to the right places, there's
a little more Oak.

532
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,000
Like I think you might have been
picking picking up Bob.

533
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,000
The viscosity isn't quite what I
expected it to be, you know,

534
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
being 103 proof.
I expected a little bit of a

535
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,100
thicker.
Experience, and that's not quite

536
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,600
there.
But I am picking up some really

537
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,300
nice fruit notes, it's a bright
whiskey that has some stuff

538
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:05,700
going on for it.
Yeah.

539
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,800
I think of what might be
happening here Brad is that the

540
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,000
taste is just kind of bringing
us both back to Center because

541
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,300
you started to pick up the oak
notes that were present on the

542
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,300
nose.
I actually on the taste started

543
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:17,700
to pick up more of the fruit
notes that you got on the nose.

544
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000
I think this is much much
sweeter than the Blanton Single

545
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,100
Barrel that we had a few weeks
ago, like much so Here, this is

546
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,900
a completely different whiskey.
I don't know again.

547
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,900
I don't know if we just had a
really wonky Barrel or what, but

548
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,900
this one is just all honey and
fruit to me.

549
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,500
It's much much milder.
There's not a ton of burn on it.

550
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,600
In fact, there's this really
interesting thing that's

551
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,800
happening Brad.
When I took a sip of this, that

552
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,900
it was almost like the taste
skipped over a whole zone of my

553
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,100
palate.
It was really prominent on the

554
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,800
front and in the mid and it was
honey and fruit.

555
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,500
And then I went to swallow and
there was like nothing on the

556
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:54,300
back of my tongue.
Tongue.

557
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,200
There was no flavor left there
at all I could feel a bit of

558
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,100
burn on the finish and I don't
want to get too far ahead but I

559
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,300
could feel a bit of burn there
and I had some flavors left over

560
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:07,100
on like the front of my palate
but there was just nothing on

561
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,500
one portion of my palate.
It was really, really

562
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:13,100
interesting, all that aside.
I actually really enjoyed the

563
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:16,900
taste on this Brad like a lot
and I'm super relieved that it

564
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000
doesn't taste like that.
Last plans we had, I'm going to

565
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,800
give this an eight on the taste.
I think I'm coming down a little

566
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,100
bit from the nose.
I'm gonna give it a seven and a

567
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,800
half.
If on tastes like you said,

568
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,200
there's some really nice honey
notes here.

569
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,400
There's a little bit of that
oakiness that you need along

570
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,500
with some of that nice fruit
flavorings that give it some

571
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,100
complexity.
It's an impressive whiskey.

572
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,600
I think I was just hoping for a
little more out of it based off

573
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,900
of the nose.
So I definitely gave this a

574
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,200
Kentucky chew when I was
drinking it.

575
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,700
And that's where if you ever
seen people who professionally

576
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,400
taste bourbon, they literally
like open their mouth.

577
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,800
They make some Obscene sounds as
they're chewing on it as you

578
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,600
would like a piece of steak or
something and it introduces a

579
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,400
lot of air into your mouth and
actually, for me really improve

580
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,500
the tasting experience.
I was swishing this around in my

581
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,800
mouth, pretty pretty vigorously
the more that I drink.

582
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,300
This, the more that it reminds
me of a couple other Buffalo

583
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,600
Trace products that aren't from
this Mash bill, so, I'll say

584
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
that.
But it reminds me of Eagle Rare

585
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000
in the way that the oak becomes
prominent.

586
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,300
But it also reminds me of Weller
especially Weller Special

587
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,500
Reserve in the way that it He's
the oak taste with the

588
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,400
sweetness.
There's just like, waves of Oak

589
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,100
that come through on this at, so
it's not overpowering.

590
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:34,000
It really plays nicely with that
sweetness, but I was really

591
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800
surprised at how much it
reminded me of Weller, Special

592
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,900
Reserve.
Not so much, the antique, but

593
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,700
definitely that green label
Reserve.

594
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,900
I thought on the Finish Brad
that this is just a damn good

595
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,000
bourbon.
Like it's it's really good.

596
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,700
It's really solid.
I don't think anything about it

597
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,800
makes me want to run out and
find a bottle but because it

598
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,000
reminds me of Weller which I
really really love.

599
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,900
Of and it's not a super harsh,
alcohol burn on the way down, I

600
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:00,000
think I'll give it a seven and a
half on the finish.

601
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,400
I think it's interesting that it
reminds you of like a we did,

602
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,700
you know Weller?
Yeah, it's not too much wheat.

603
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,900
The wheat part of it.
It's just like I said, it's just

604
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,500
in the way that it marries the
oak with the sweetness really

605
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,000
well.
And I think well are definitely

606
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,500
has those two notes as well for
me.

607
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:16,300
Okay.
Yeah, I can see that.

608
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,200
I think that it's got a really
nice Synergy between the

609
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,900
sweetness, and that oakiness.
And there's a little bit of that

610
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:25,400
fruit.
Venus that goes on.

611
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,900
I can see where you're coming
from.

612
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
For me, I think.
I'm going to stick it a seven

613
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,600
and a half for the Finish.
There's nothing.

614
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,500
That's blown me away here but it
is a solid above average, finish

615
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:39,800
with a soft Kentucky hug coming
off that last Blanton's, I was a

616
00:33:39,808 --> 00:33:42,800
little worried, this one is
actually a little bit on the

617
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,100
lower side of the Kentucky hug
and I'm kind of okay with that.

618
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,900
Yeah, I am too and I think that
that's a pretty well-balanced

619
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:52,200
whiskey, like the nose kind of
hinted at a little bit more

620
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,700
alcohol than I thought.
We actually got Delivered on the

621
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,100
pallet or the Finish but for 103
proof Brad.

622
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:02,100
This is very, very drinkable and
it's incredibly more drinkable

623
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:05,400
than that last plans that we
had, which was only 93 proof.

624
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,199
And so I'm sure that that bad
experience is definitely

625
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,600
coloring.
My scores a bit here today but

626
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,199
I'm actually going to give this
an eight and a half on balance.

627
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,199
I think this is a very, very
well-balanced bourbon.

628
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,100
Yeah.
When it comes to my balance

629
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,100
score, I think I'm going to give
it an 8 out of 10.

630
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,400
It's a very well-balanced
bourbon but nothing about It

631
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,699
really thrust it up to that,
upper echelon of a 9 or 10.

632
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,100
So we're just going to keep it
at an eight.

633
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,699
Bob, I'm coming out on this
whiskey to a point where I'm

634
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,500
like, you know, this is just a
really solid whiskey.

635
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,400
Yeah, but I'm, I'm worried about
what you're going to tell me

636
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,199
with the prey.
Yeah, so here's the thing, guys,

637
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,400
if you've listened to this
podcast, you know, that our

638
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,400
fifth category is value.
And so, if you only are

639
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,199
interested in our tasting notes
and you only want to know what

640
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,100
kind of score, we'd give a
whiskey on its drinking quality

641
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,800
alone.
Just take our first four

642
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,900
categories and multiply them out
by two and a half to get 100,

643
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,600
right?
So I'm at a 30 out of 40 on

644
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,200
this.
I think this is a really good

645
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,700
upper echelon bourbon, like it
is it it's a 75 out of 100 at

646
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,100
this point, but we have to
factor in value in our fifth

647
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,900
category and I was going to say
I'm at a 31 out of 40.

648
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,300
Yo, Weber really like the same
spot.

649
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,800
This is a really good whiskey,
but here's where the value comes

650
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,700
in to the plate.
Brad.

651
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:24,600
This is a annual release by
Follow Trace.

652
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,700
They're only going to drop this
once a year and they're going to

653
00:35:26,707 --> 00:35:28,800
drop it in extremely small
amounts.

654
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,700
So when I look at the Ohio
liquor website, it's not for

655
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,400
sale anywhere right now because
it's very allocated.

656
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,900
And I know for a fact, you're
going to have to either stand in

657
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,900
line for it or it's going to be
a lottery, pick somewhere the

658
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,000
state of Ohio, which regulates
prices.

659
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,200
So this is not secondary cells,
this bottle for $120, a bottle

660
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,900
and this is where things start
to get weird for me, Brad

661
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,400
because if they sold this at the
price of regular Blanton's, If

662
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,400
this was set at the price of
Blanton's, I would give it like

663
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,200
an 8 or a 9 out of 10 on value.
I think this is absolutely worth

664
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,100
the 50 or $60 at $120.
It is double the price that I

665
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,100
would want to pay for it.
Wow.

666
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,900
And if you if you just do a
quick Google search of blatant

667
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,600
gold, the very first one that
came up for me on Google

668
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,700
shopping was $699 because that's
how insane the bourbon secondary

669
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:22,600
Market has gotten today.
This is that is that is so many

670
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,300
dollars so many dollars.
And it's not worth that and in

671
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:29,800
fact it's not worth $120.
This is a really good 60 dollar

672
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
bottle of whiskey and sixty
dollars is nothing to sneeze at.

673
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,400
That's like a higher-end bourbon
and Brad, I'm going to give it a

674
00:36:36,408 --> 00:36:39,200
2 out of 10 on value.
I just like I have nothing else

675
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,000
to say about it.
It's not a good value, it

676
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
shouldn't be that high.
I'm sick and tired of Buffalo

677
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Trace, jacking up prices all the
time.

678
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200
So it's a two out of ten.
Yeah.

679
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Bob I'll just I'll just agree
with you two out of ten.

680
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200
There's nothing more to be said,
Buffalo Trace.

681
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,700
I mean, good on you for taking
advantage of capitalism and

682
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:03,500
people who love bourbon but good
night, bro, like $120.

683
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:04,300
Come on.
Yeah.

684
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600
And again, that is worth the
price controlled state.

685
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,900
So 90% of you listening to this
are not going to get it for

686
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,000
$120.
You're going to get it for to

687
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,400
$300, which takes might, which
would take my value score down,

688
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,300
even further, I'm coming out to
a 32 out of 50 Brad.

689
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,600
I believe that puts you out to a
33 out of 50.

690
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:24,300
It's it sure does.
So that's bring our average out

691
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,900
to a 65 out of 100, like it is a
state.

692
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,200
It's still a good bourbon, but
the value score, really kills

693
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,300
this thing.
I actually really, really

694
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:35,700
enjoyed this until I saw how
much it costs.

695
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:38,100
Yeah.
Bob, I want to give such a huge

696
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:41,800
shout-out to Bourbon and stuff
for sending all my gosh because

697
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,800
it genuinely is a great whiskey
that I would be loath to send to

698
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,800
anyone.
So, thank you so much for

699
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,200
sending this out, but in the end
Buffalo Trace, get your stuff

700
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,700
together.
Man like like I'm just really

701
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,800
sick and tired of all these
crazy expensive whiskies that

702
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200
should cost anywhere from 20 to
50 dollars.

703
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Well Brad let's just take this
you know burn and pillage

704
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,300
attitude back into talking about
the social network.

705
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,900
What do you say?
Let's do it.

706
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:59,700
Alright, so that was Blanton's,
gold, a whiskey that we really

707
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,900
really liked, but we can't
really recommend based on the

708
00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:05,600
price and now we're getting back
into talking about the social

709
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,300
network Brad.
We went down the rabbit hole

710
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:10,900
pretty far in the first half and
so we kind of have to backtrack

711
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,200
and talk about a few basic
things.

712
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,700
We haven't talked about the
performances.

713
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:18,200
We haven't really touched on
David Fincher's Direction.

714
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,700
I do want to go back to talking
about Jesse Eisenberg because,

715
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,600
you know, you were making the
comparison to the real life Mark

716
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,300
Zuckerberg.
And I want to give him the

717
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:29,600
benefit of the doubt and say
that they purposely constructed

718
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
this character to be different
than Zuckerberg.

719
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,700
And for what the character is
supposed to be a cold

720
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:40,500
calculating anti-social College
sophomore, who wants

721
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,400
recognition, and who can't get
it, and, and kind of

722
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,600
vindictively creates that
recognition for himself creates

723
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,200
an environment where he can
control, who, gets in, and who

724
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,500
stays out, I think Eisenberg
actually does a great job in

725
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:58,000
this movie, he was nominated for
an I think it was entirely

726
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,200
well-deserved.
It's a really great performance.

727
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:01,900
I actually think just
memorizing.

728
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,900
The sheer number of words.
He had to memorize, was almost

729
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:07,400
worth the Oscar nomination in
and of itself.

730
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,100
Yeah, I was, I was genuinely
impressed with Eisenberg in this

731
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,000
movie and I'm gonna frame it
like this Bob.

732
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,500
I think that if you are willing
to set aside the real life

733
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,500
implications of this movie that
this movie is actually, really,

734
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:26,100
really great.
And it's great because Because

735
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:30,600
of its actors and it's writing
and and Eisenberg.

736
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,500
This might be the height of his
career.

737
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,900
I don't think I've seen him in
anything else that I really was

738
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:39,300
like Blown Away by.
But this, this movie was like

739
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:44,000
the perfect peak of like
needing, Jesse Eisenberg to

740
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,700
fill, its main character role.
He portrays Zuckerberg in such a

741
00:40:48,707 --> 00:40:53,600
way that you understand how he
is both likable and hateable at

742
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,700
the same time, throughout the
Tire film.

743
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,200
And so I really like Eisenberg
in this movie.

744
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,400
But the reason you understand
how likable and hateable he is

745
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:08,500
is because of Andrew Garfield's
performance as his best friend,

746
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:09,400
Eduardo.
Yeah.

747
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,700
Garfield's great.
In this movie.

748
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,100
And there were a lot of people
who were campaigning for him to

749
00:41:13,107 --> 00:41:16,600
get an Oscar nomination.
He did not, I think he's really

750
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,400
good here Brad.
I do think that 10 years of

751
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,200
Andrew Garfield performances
after this have kind of, I think

752
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,700
I'll say this, I think He's a
really good actor.

753
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,300
And I think maybe his best
performance was in scorsese's

754
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,800
Movie silence, because it's the
least, like Spider-Man that he's

755
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,300
ever been, dude.
He's so good as so good in

756
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,000
silence.
And so that that kind of leads

757
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
me back to this movie where I'm
like okay he's good but I also

758
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,900
kind of saw him lean into this a
little bit in to Spider-Man

759
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,100
movies after this.
He's kind of just playing like

760
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,000
the likable.
Sensitive vulnerable.

761
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,500
Andrew Garfield part.
Yeah he really is he is

762
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,100
likeable, he's Fun.
His interesting and went, like,

763
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,000
I think, I think, the reason
Garfield is good in this movie

764
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,900
is because when he is angry or
upset, you feel it as an

765
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,400
audience member, like you get
why?

766
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,300
He is angry and frustrated
because he's banging his head

767
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:15,200
against this wall known as Mark
Zuckerberg.

768
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,400
And so I think that's where
Garfield really shines is when

769
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,300
he's exasperated and frustrated
and the the scene where his

770
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,500
girlfriend is.
Earning his track.

771
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,800
His the gift that he gave her in
the trash can.

772
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,100
Like it's a little bit over
indulgent, but there's still a

773
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,300
part of me that's just like, I
love that scene.

774
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,600
It's so funny.
It's a crowd-pleaser, and I'm

775
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,300
amused by it.
Well, speaking of

776
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,800
crowd-pleasers, I have to say,
Justin Timberlake.

777
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,100
I understand that Justin
Timberlake Bob, I don't, I don't

778
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,000
want to like Justin Timberlake,
what I do be, right?

779
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,300
But I do and the thing is
Justin, Timberlake it real.

780
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:58,300
Seems like a pretty good guy.
I think he's really done a lot

781
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,800
of image Rehabilitation after
dating Britney Spears and

782
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,600
everything, but he leans into
the douchebag so much in this

783
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,900
movie and he absolutely Nails
it, like he comes on screen and

784
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
I, you know, we've used this
phrase, a lot in this podcast,

785
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,400
he chews scenery like he is
there to just hold court and

786
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,300
everyone you know especially
Zuckerberg kind of Falls over

787
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,500
and worships at his feet and the
whole time Eduardo sees right

788
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,300
through him and And the tragedy
of the movies that Eduardo ends

789
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,200
up being right about Shawn.
He picked up the check.

790
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
He told, Mark they talk again
soon and he was gone, but not

791
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
before he made his biggest
contribution to the company,

792
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,800
drop the, the just Facebook,
it's cleaner.

793
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,500
But man.
Oh man, does Justin Timberlake

794
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:52,600
just steal almost every scene
he's in or what the, the scene,

795
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,600
where they meet in New York and
they're like, ordering like

796
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,500
Tartar and all these different
things.

797
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:03,100
He's just eating it up.
And so, it's funny because you

798
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,400
always talk about chewing
scenery and usually when a

799
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,000
character choose scenery, it's
almost like, that's just what

800
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,400
their characters supposed to do.
But I feel like in this movie,

801
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,000
it's Looks like an Inception
level of like a real life person

802
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,900
who choose scenery being played
by a character who is chewing

803
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,400
scenery.
Like, do you get what I'm

804
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,400
saying?
Yeah, like he's it's just like

805
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,000
layer upon layer like a guy who
is just over the top and

806
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,700
ambitious and just knows that he
is the center of attention

807
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:39,600
because he wants to be the
center of attention in any room

808
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,800
that he goes into.
I mean, he is the ideal of what

809
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Zuckerberg wants.
To be in this movie, he is a guy

810
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,900
who is, you know, to sound like
an old square.

811
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:52,100
Like he's sticking it to the
man, he created Napster failed,

812
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:55,300
spectacularly from a business
point of view, but change the

813
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:59,800
industry by being like punk rock
basically and by, by making

814
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,900
something exclusive that he
wanted to make.

815
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:04,100
That's exactly what Zuckerberg
is motivation is.

816
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,300
And so when he sees this guy,
Sean Parker whose entire thing

817
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:11,400
is, disruption disrupting the
system and being the guy who

818
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,400
controls and pulls the strings,
he I mean he becomes a puppet

819
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
for him and that's there's that
great scene where, you know,

820
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,400
Sean's dropping him off for a
business meeting and coaching

821
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,100
him about how to say f, you to
the guy in the room, right?

822
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,200
And he shows up in pajamas and
everything else, and Zuckerberg,

823
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,100
just totally goes along with it
because he is so enamored by

824
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,400
this guy.
I think anybody else in that

825
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,900
role, and I really mean this,
like, it's a role that I think a

826
00:45:35,908 --> 00:45:40,600
lot of actors could play, but
casting Timberlake was such a

827
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,700
brilliant touch, because like
you said, Brad, he already

828
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Already is a sort of Larger than
Life, Persona.

829
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,600
He like, he was in in sync for
crying out loud.

830
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,900
He dated Britney Spears and
bringing that baggage into the

831
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:55,500
movie of we, what we already
know of him outside the movie, I

832
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,800
think, actually really helped
what that character was supposed

833
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,400
to be in the film.
Well, and this kind of brings me

834
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,600
to a point where I think that I
am going to give Aaron Sorkin

835
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,900
some advice, because I'm sure
he'll take it Brad.

836
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,200
I'm sure that he will.
He probably listen to this

837
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,700
podcast constantly. so here's
the thing, Aaron, I think that

838
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,800
this movie would have been
better served if you gave Andrew

839
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,900
Garfield, a stable steady
girlfriend that at the end of

840
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:30,200
the movie instead of showing
Eduardo with a girlfriend who is

841
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,500
psychotic and jealous and
burning, you know, his apartment

842
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:38,700
that if they had finished the
movie with him like in the bed

843
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,500
talking to his wife or
girlfriend and like like being

844
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:46,200
exasperated with Best friend.
Mark, it would have served the

845
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,000
movie so much better because the
whole movie is about how Mark is

846
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,700
desperate for human connection
and human relationship.

847
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,400
And that's epitomized by his
inability, to keep his

848
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,400
girlfriend Erica to start of the
film.

849
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,600
So, I think that it would have
better served the movies story.

850
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,800
If you showed how at the end of
the film, Sean is arrested for

851
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,600
doing coke off of an interns
belly and how he We can't keep

852
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,500
any relationship alive because
of his dysfunction and because

853
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:23,400
of his desire for Prestige and
honor, and all these things and

854
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,700
if that had been contrasted with
how Eduardo was the opposite,

855
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,600
yeah.
Actually, that represents a

856
00:47:29,607 --> 00:47:32,200
great note and you know, if
we're going to give Sorkin notes

857
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
on the script, I think that is
one that probably would have

858
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,300
helped strengthen that Central
thesis Brad.

859
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,900
Unfortunately, we did not talk
much about Fincher's Direction,

860
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,800
but I think we all know David
Fincher is a Our director known

861
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
for his technical precision.
And that's absolutely.

862
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,400
The case here, I think that he
found a screenwriter here that

863
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400
matched him in technical
Brilliance for a change.

864
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,100
And I think it really does help
Elevate the script, to see how

865
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,800
Fincher moves the camera, the
way he cuts.

866
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,800
Everything seems so intricately
planned and it really helps

867
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,100
complement.
What Sorkin does Bob?

868
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,100
I feel like you're trying to
make up for your Fight Club

869
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:11,400
score here a little bit.
No, this is just a better movie

870
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,700
than Fight, Club.
I'll say that.

871
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,300
Okay.
I just I just feel like you're

872
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,000
really keeping on the praise
here because you realize how bad

873
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,300
of the take your Fight Club.
So I just wanted to make sure we

874
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:24,100
got a couple nice things in
about David Fincher and like if

875
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:26,100
I have two point, one thing out,
I'll say this.

876
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:30,000
I think that the very end of the
film that last scene which is

877
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,700
Sorkin and Fincher together,
really creating a great ending,

878
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,800
where you just see Zuckerberg
sitting in a room alone, friend,

879
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,400
requesting Erica and hitting
refresh over and over to see if

880
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,600
she'll accept.
It's just, it's in perfect

881
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,500
ending to that movie.
She and I think on top of that

882
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:50,400
the Beatles, usually.
Well that doodling what dog.

883
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,700
But what a great little drop to
end that movie with baby, you're

884
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,500
a rich man.
It's just such a like just an

885
00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:00,600
it's polish cynical thing to do
but I think one of the things

886
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,800
with biopics is that they
usually end with the Montage

887
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,400
pictures of the real person and
it's like you know Eduardo went

888
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,700
on to make this kind of money
and do these things and you know

889
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:14,400
Zuckerberg went on to These
things.

890
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:19,000
This is the first and only time
in a movie where I have seen

891
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:24,600
those like, I don't know title
cards or captions used to

892
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,300
contrast what's actually
happening in the heart of the

893
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:34,100
main character.
And I think that is the peak of

894
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:38,800
the importance of this movie
because in the end, the the

895
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,800
scorecard at the end of the
movie, because in the end,

896
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,100
that's what it is, right?
Like at the end of any Pick

897
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,700
whenever you see those captions,
what they're telling you is a

898
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,700
scorecard on that human beings.
Life of like yeah they went on

899
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:51,900
to be this successful and do
these things.

900
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:56,400
And with Mark Zuckerberg, they
they are putting his scorecard

901
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,100
up.
Like, he's a billionaire.

902
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,000
He's able to pay a 75 million
dollar lawsuit, to the

903
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Winklevoss brothers.
He's able to pay an unknown

904
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,000
amount to Eduardo.
He's able to do all of these

905
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000
things, there's billions of
users, and while they're putting

906
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,600
up all of these successes
success success.

907
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,100
Success.
What are they showing an image

908
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:22,800
of him sitting absolutely alone
in his lawyer's office where

909
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,800
they're letting him sit there
for a little while longer using

910
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,600
their internet.
Trying to friend request an old

911
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,900
girl, absolutely.
That is just some of the most

912
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,100
brilliant writing and film
direction I've ever seen in my

913
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600
life.
Yeah, it's just such a great

914
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,600
touch and it hits on these to
Bob that was like a bob style,

915
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,000
re I, dude, I loved it.
And Brad, it really takes us

916
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,600
back to these themes that we've
identified.

917
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:46,500
Defied with the movie in the
first one is this idea of

918
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,000
exclusivity.
It's everything that drives

919
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,700
Zuckerberg forward.
He wants to create a world of

920
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:54,600
his own making that.
I mean, it's something we keep

921
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,900
talking about.
He wants to kind of be the guy

922
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:59,500
that stands at the door and
decides who gets to come in

923
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,400
because he can't get into the
final clubs, which is the first

924
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,200
thing we establish at the
beginning of the movie.

925
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,300
And so he wants to make his own.
And when the Winklevoss twins

926
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,900
approached him with this idea of
something, that's exclusive, he

927
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,600
immediately jumps out it because
now he gets to be the guy.

928
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,300
Who determines who gets in and
who doesn't get in.

929
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,800
And I think the real one of the
really great things that Fincher

930
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,900
does with this movie, is that he
intercuts like the creation of

931
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:27,600
the facemash thing with this
party that's happening at the

932
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,700
frat house or that the final
club and what ends up like kind

933
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,500
of costing Zuckerberg in the
end, is this this drunken

934
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,600
misogynist rant that he went on?
But then they their inner

935
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,000
cutting it with these final
clubs and where girls are taking

936
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,100
off their clothes and being
objectified anyway, And so, like

937
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:47,200
what they're trying to say is
basically, Zuckerberg is doing

938
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,700
exactly the same thing as these
final clubs do but we don't like

939
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:53,400
it when Zuckerberg does it
because Zuckerberg is a loser,

940
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,200
or Zuckerberg is a nerd and we
put up with it when these other

941
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,200
people do it.
It's actually a really, really

942
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,200
subtle touch and I like that.
They kind of lean into that a

943
00:52:01,207 --> 00:52:04,200
little bit and then the other
thing that drives Zuckerberg is

944
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,700
Revenge, right?
Like, Erica breaks up with him.

945
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,400
So he creates facemash as
Revenge when he goes and talks

946
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,200
to Erica in the restaurant later
and talks about making Facebook.

947
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,700
Reject him again.
He says it's time to expand

948
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:20,600
everything he does, is this kind
of ruthlessness that targeted

949
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,300
towards revenge.
And the tragic thing about it is

950
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:28,400
that at the end of the movie, he
still can't make a real human

951
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,600
connection.
No matter how hard he tried to

952
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,200
create an empire of his own
making, he is still sitting

953
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,200
there in that room, clicking
refresh and still can't get into

954
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,800
the Inner Circle even though
he's the one that's made the

955
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,500
Inner Circle he is still
dependent on air.

956
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Akka letting him in.
And so, he's just sitting there,

957
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,800
clicking refresh.
Refresh, refresh.

958
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,800
It is a brilliant end to the
movie.

959
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,100
Brad, The more.
I've talked about this movie,

960
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,800
The Higher I want my score to be
that, I give it, but if I'm

961
00:52:54,808 --> 00:52:57,500
being honest, I think that this
movie does have some flaws.

962
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,000
I think that I just really kind
of bristle at this idea of it

963
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,200
being the movie of the century
quote unquote, it says a lot

964
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,200
about who we are, it says a lot
about who we how we communicate

965
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
and it's a really good really
solid movie that should have won

966
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,700
the Oscar in 2010 and But for
me, I'm going to give it an

967
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:19,100
eight and a half out of ten.
I just don't think that it is

968
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,000
the game changing phenomenon
that it's been made out to be in

969
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,600
retrospect, still a great movie.
Absolutely still worth watching.

970
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,300
But for me it's an eight out of
eight and a half out of ten Bob.

971
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:33,100
I think I'm kind of in a similar
range of scores as you.

972
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:37,900
But for me I guess I'm trying to
just throw out any semblance of

973
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:42,800
like reality to this film and
just saying, how do I like this

974
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:48,300
as a A movie and just simply, as
a film that I'm looking to

975
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,100
entertain me and be interested
in.

976
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,400
I really love this movie, it's
not perfect, there's definitely

977
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,500
issues with it, but I'm going to
give it a 9 out of 10.

978
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,900
You know, like I said, I'm
falling in very similar, places

979
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,600
you, it's a great movie with
great actors, with great

980
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,800
writing, and great film
Direction.

981
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:11,600
But in the end, I think that, as
long as you're willing to say,

982
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,400
hey, this movie isn't a Of
reality.

983
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,600
It's the establishment of an
archetype and it's the

984
00:54:18,607 --> 00:54:24,700
establishment of just an
interesting foray into what

985
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:28,800
happens when a socially awkward
person creates a social media

986
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,000
website.
I think it really shines and I

987
00:54:32,008 --> 00:54:35,300
will comment for a second.
I think it's fascinating that 10

988
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:40,300
years after the social network,
which is the idea of bringing

989
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,700
people together.
We see a documentary come Out

990
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:48,100
called the social, dilemma
pointing out the dangers and

991
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:52,700
flaws of these social networks.
For some reason that just that

992
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:56,500
little Nuance, just made me
think really hard about this

993
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,200
movie to think about how 10
years.

994
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,900
After this movie, we're sitting
here, going man.

995
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,500
Should we even be on Facebook?
No, I think it's a great Point

996
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:05,700
Brad.
And I also think that we are

997
00:55:05,707 --> 00:55:07,900
just building.
People's watch lists here today.

998
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,300
Like we've mentioned Citizen
Kane, we've mentioned the

999
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,000
founder, we've mentioned the
social dilemma, I think you

1000
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,700
should go out and All those in
addition to watching this movie.

1001
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,200
And on that note, I want to
hear, we want to hear what

1002
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
filmin whiskey nation has to say
about this movie.

1003
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:26,300
Do you think the social network
is the film of the New

1004
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,900
Millennium or did it kind of
pale in comparison to something

1005
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:30,800
else?
In your opinion?

1006
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,600
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