The Lion King / Henry McKenna Single Barrel

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In 1994, the Walt Disney Company
gave us an animated epic.

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That 25 years later is still a
fan.

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Favorite in 2019, Heaven Hill
gives us a Single Barrel.

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Bourbon worth a gold medal.
The movie is The Lion King, the

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whiskey is Henry McKenna and
we'll review them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G this
week.

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We are looking at the 1994
animated classic, The Lion King,

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the lion king.
I'm so excited to talk about

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this movie Brad because I am
pretty sure this is the first

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movie I ever saw in a movie
theater.

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My grandma took me to this, I
don't remember it.

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Yeah, but I remember like bits
and pieces, I remember walking

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out of the theater, you know,
this movie came out 1994.

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So I was like three and a half
years old at the time.

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Yeah, Brad.
You were probably about the same

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age.
This movie was such an integral

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part of our childhood.
Yeah.

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Like I can't.
Imagine a world where the Lion

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King.
Did not exist.

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Yeah.
The Lion King is one of those

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movies that everybody owned.
Everyone had in the 90s.

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Yeah.
When they release this movie on

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VHS, is it broke like every home
box office record?

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It was for a long, long time.
The best-selling video ever.

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Yeah, for all the parents out
there today that are tired of

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hearing Moana and Frozen like
parents of the 90s, got tired of

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The Lion King.
You know what's really funny is,

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I was watching Toy Story, a few
months ago, the original, the

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original 495 and there's a scene
where when Andy's family is

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moving away in the van that
they're sitting in their playing

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Hakuna Matata.
Yeah, like Pixar was even

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referencing.
And how everyone had this movie.

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Everyone had the soundtrack.
It was everywhere.

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Yeah.
And this was before Pixar was

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owned by Disney.
Right?

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Yeah.
Well so Disney always released

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Pixar's movies but they weren't
like emerged Corporation at this

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point.
But yeah.

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Even then like you were seeing
references to how popular, The

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Lion King was.
Yeah, and the crazy thing is

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Disney, I don't think ever
expected this movie to be

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anything.
I mean, they put a lot of

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resources in and I'm sure they
were expecting it to be a hit.

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You know, they don't release
movies that they don't want to

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make money.
On, but like, I don't know if

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they were anticipating this
level of recognition.

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Yeah.
So this, this is one of those

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movies where I don't feel like I
need to ask Brad.

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Did you see this before?
This podcast, we could probably

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eat seen this movie like 50
times.

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Yeah.
Easily Brad.

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As you went into this movie, you
know, with a more objective,

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critical eye this time, knowing
that we're comparing it to these

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other movies.
Did you have any expectations

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that you have any fears that
maybe you wouldn't like it as

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much when you were watching it
with the critical eye?

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You?
What?

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Going into the movie?
I was just excited.

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Yeah, I haven't seen The Lion
King a really long time, but, ya

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know, I was really excited to
watch it.

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I don't know if I was worried
about it in any way.

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So we throw this movie on and I
love the way this movie starts.

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It's so bold.
It's so it's so immediate in the

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way that it hits you, you know,
I Disney had really gotten back

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to prominence in the late 80s
with The Little Mermaid and

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then, they followed that up with
Beauty and the Beast, which

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became the first film to ever be
nominated.

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I waited for best picture.
It was like, they're crowning

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achievement, they followed that
up with Aladdin, which was not

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as well received critically, but
was a huge huge hit, and then

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they release The Lion King and
The Lion King, I think, was them

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trying to Top Beauty and the
Beast artistically musically in

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terms of the Epic scale of it.
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And the way that this movie hits
you, right from the beginning,

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it's making a statement, you
know, Beauty and the Beast

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starts with that.
Nice fairytale narration, write

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this movie is like, you see, it
says Walt Disney presents.

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Then the first thing is that
sunrise and the African singing

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that's it's unfamiliar to us.
You know, English speaking

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people and you're immediately
put into the Savannah and you

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are fully immersed right from
the get-go.

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Yeah, the thing about the
opening scene is that not only

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do you have that epic, you know,
song and the presentation of

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Simba.
But then following that you have

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just the screen goes black and
you just get this the title

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card, just boom.
And it even has That like base

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hit.
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And you're just like oh man,
this is gonna be the coolest

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thing ever.
Yeah, the that opening song is

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its own sort of like Montage
Music Video.

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It is like a short film unto
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Yeah.
And I honestly think that The

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Circle of Life movie, if you
were just take those three

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minutes out, it's one of the
best Walt Disney films I've ever

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seen.
It tells so much of a narrative

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with zero dialogue.
You understand exactly what's

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going on and I want to talk
about Circle of Life at length

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But in order to do that, we need
to set up the movie.

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And so, for anyone out there who
hasn't somehow seen The Lion

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King, if you've been living
under a rock for 25 years, we're

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gonna offer you our service.
Brad explains the Lion King.

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All right I don't know.
Go read Hamlet.

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There is a lion.
He is a king.

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Yeah the end.
So The Lion King is about a

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young lion named Simba.
Who is the I guess he'd be the

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prince.
Sure.

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So he's the son of the current
King James.

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I mean Mufasa Darth Vader Darth
Vader.

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So he's the son of the current
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His uncle wants to be the king
but because lions are very, you

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know, formal like an English
aristocracy.

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He will not become the king and
Simba is going to become the

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Kings.
He's the son of the king and all

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that scar is very upset about
this.

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And so, he kills Mufasa and runs
Simba off the land and he takes

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over and then the rest of the
story is.

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How Simba has to deal with his
failures and come back to?

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Become the king?
Absolutely.

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Yeah.
So this movie has tons of

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political Intrigue but what I
love about the way that it's

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captured isn't just that it's,
you know, the fight for the

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throne, it's about Duty, it's
about responsibility.

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There's this undercurrent
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sort of like, spiritual Cosmic,
nature of things and how things

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have to be in the right order.
And when disorder comes in the

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form of Scar, taking The throne,
you know, the Savannah dies,

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there's a drought.
And when symbol regains his

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throne at the end of the movie,
all of the vegetation comes

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back, there's this really out of
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Yeah, there's this really
interesting undercurrent that

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you know, you have to take your
place in the circle of life, you

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have to fulfill your role in the
community and only when you're

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doing that is the whole
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So there's like this, this
philosophy, underlying the whole

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movie.
It's not just a political

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thriller and that's really what
I love about it.

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Yeah, it's the idea that things
in were in the world.

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Whether it's, I mean,
essentially the animals

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represent humans.
They are free agents morally,

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they make their own choices, but
the only time that anything in

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nature will Thrive is when it is
acting in the way that it was

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created to act.
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You know what I mean?
Yeah, and that's kind of the

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whole idea of the circle of life
is that we have a place in

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society that we should fulfill
Everything you see exists

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together in a delicate balance
as king.

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You need to understand that
balance and respect.

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All the creatures from The
Crawling ant to the leaping

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Antelope that don't read Dan
elope?

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Yes, Cinema.
But let me explain when we die

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our bodies, become the grass,
and the antelope, eat the grass.

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And so, we are all connected in
the great circle of life.

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Yeah for sure and there's no
better representation of that

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than in the opening Circle of
Life number as I said, we were

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going to get back to talking
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I want to walk through that
thing like a bit by bit because

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like I said it is a masterful
piece of filmmaking.

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You get that sun, the sun rise
and the song starts and you

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don't quite know what's going
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And you start to see these
animals poke their heads up over

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the hills of the Savannah.
And there's these really bright

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bold colors like that.
At this morning, I even noted as

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I was watching it there's a
cheetah and behind the Cheetahs

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just like this like really
bright orange Sky.

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Yeah.
And they're hitting you

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immediately with these super
bold colors.

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Yeah.
And then all of a sudden it kind

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of comes down it gets more
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You see all these birds start to
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and what they do with color,
what they do, with camera

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movement with focus, it is such
a great piece of visual

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storytelling.
And that the interesting thing

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for me is that Like, first off,
this is our first animated film.

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We've talked about which is
crazy to me, as well as it

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should be.
I think.

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Yeah.
Oh, the lining is very worthy of

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our top spot as we should talk
about this animation.

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Sure.
But the interesting thing about

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animated films is that I think
people here animated and they

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just think a child, you know,
like this is a children's movie,

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right?
And they and they stopped

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thinking critically about the
movie and they start thinking

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critically about like, well, how
is the camera movement in this

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movie, right?
You know what are the The what

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are the choices that the
director is making is?

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So as far as visual style and
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And the interesting thing about
animated films is that you have

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so many more choices because you
could have so many different art

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directors on how it's how its
drawn, how it's colored, the the

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palette that you're going to use
and you can make those choices

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in a live action movie, but
you're a little bit more limited

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almost than you can do.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
And that's the thing as we

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should almost look at animated
movies with a more critical eye

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because you're not bound by the
Students of physics or anything

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like you can reality exactly,
you can make whatever you want.

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So every frame that's up on the
screen was a purposeful choice

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that the director made.
And so that's part of why I

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hate.
That's part of why I hate the

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argument that it's just a kids
movie.

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Yeah.
Like when you talk to somebody

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about a really bad kids movie,
The Comeback always is like it's

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just a kids movie boss, baby.
It's just a kids movie.

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Like I put my kid down in front
of the TV and it kept, you know,

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him or her occupied for an hour.
That's not But that's not what I

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movies about, you know, now, and
I have a toddler and yes, like

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there have been times where we
just pacify him with something

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that he likes to watch on TV.
But when you go into a film and

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you're looking at it as a work
of art, and there's something

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wrong with it, it's worth
pointing out well.

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And I also think that what does
that say about how we view

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children?
Exactly.

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That we go, we'll just give him
some subpar movie.

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Like why should why don't they
deserve works of art?

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Absolutely pacified.
Well, and we also we don't

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acknowledge that Kids know, crap
when they see it, you've ever

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taken a kid to a bad kids movie,
they get bored, they're running

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around the theater, they're not
paying attention.

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You walk out of the theater and
the thing I love about kids is

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that there's no filter they'll
tell you that that was a bad

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movie.
We think that anything that's

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made for a three-year-old.
A five-year-old is good enough

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for them but even at a young age
people can tell crap when it's

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presented to them and
beautifully enough.

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They didn't really say that at
all about 90s, Disney movies?

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No, they really they hit their
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They really did hit the Their
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Pinnacle of what Disney had been
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You know, with Beauty and the
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some computer animation.
If you watch the big ballroom

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scene, yeah, Beauty and the
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are computer animated.
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But you can tell now in 2019,
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image and I feel like in this
film even in the three years

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that it was between Beauty and
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computer animation that they use
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It really is seamlessly Blended
in, you know, and they're doing

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such cool things in the circle
of life Montage.

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There's this one shot where it
starts out with the, the focus

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is very close on a tree branch
and there's ants crawling across

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it.
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And then they rack Focus to the
back into the background and

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it's zebras marching and it's
just like, you get these shots

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that Disney wasn't doing before
this, right?

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And then the animals come up
over the hill, and we get this

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beautiful sweeping shot that
follows zazou.

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As he flies towards Pride Rock?
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The reveal of Pride Rock, which
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I mean, it's even shaped like a
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I just want Pride Rock to be a
real place.

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I do too, man so bad.
It's so cool.

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And the way that they're telling
this story, visually, you see

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that all of the animals in the
savannah are making some sort of

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pilgrimage or something big
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And then you see Pride Rock.
And as we get closer and closer,

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we see The Lion King there on
Pride, Rock, and you don't even

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know his name yet you.
Know who Mufasa is, but you can

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tell you haven't heard the
Sweet.

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Sweet Tones of James, Earl Jones
Jones, but you still know

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exactly who he is, what his role
is and why the other animals are

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kind of paying deference to him?
It's good storytelling.

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It really is just period.
Yeah, you don't have to give

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dialogue necessarily to give
Exposition on the story.

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Absolutely.
And, you know, we have to go

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back to that moment.
Where Rafiki lifts?

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Simba up.
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Baby Simba to anoint him as
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present him as the Future King
and what they do is there's

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three or four Quick Cuts where
they repeat the same movement,

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making the upward movement of
lifting Simba and they show it

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from like three different angles
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And it emphasizes that this baby
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special, right?
I've just that his place in the

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circle of life, is to be the
Savior.

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Yeah, but what I love about it
is the way they do that with

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film language.
You don't Dialogue to show you

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that.
It's just let's show you three

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Quick Cuts and you're absolutely
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This kid is what the whole movie
is about, right?

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So Brad, I want to ask you, I
want to ask you a question about

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Mufasa.
Okay, so I mean I don't know

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really anything about lions or
their pride, right?

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But it seems to me that when
they show the inside of Pride

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Rock where all of Mufasa is
concubines are sleeping.

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Mufasa is the only male and he's
got like 15 concubine.

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That's right.
So first of all, what makes

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Simba's mom surabhi the queen.
Yeah, and also does that mean

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that like all of the lion babies
are Simba's?

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Half-siblings like is Nala
technically, Simba's half-sister

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the see the end.
This is one of those points

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where part of me is like I don't
care but every time I didn't

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notice it till this time around.
I'm like oh yeah, I guess there

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really wouldn't be any other
males.

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Yeah.
I mean scars around.

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Yeah, we have no indication.
That scar is like sleeping with.

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Other Lions.
I get, he's not breeding.

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Yeah I guess that's one of those
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called when you like make an
animal seem human like oh yeah

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more productive more Faisal.
Yeah, I mean in the end they're

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a bunch of animal.
I mean maybe that happens in the

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animal kingdom as the because
the males get driven off from

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what I know.
About lion pride, yeah, the

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males get driven off once they
become of age and they find

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their own Pride.
Yeah, but like the females can

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stay still, they hang around,
you know, if he's having more

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children with Has daughters.
Yeah I don't know how this

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works.
We're off topic.

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It was just an idea that's out
there in the film.

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And whiskey crew listening is
like a zoologist just genetics

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in general genetics in general.
Yeah give us a call.

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Hit us up because this is this
is a burning question and you

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answered we want to know.
So let's change topics before we

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get into more genetics, it is
impossible to overstate how

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important this movie is to the
Walt Disney Corporation, right?

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Like You know, they had they'd
come back to prominence again

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but they had just never done
anything like this movie before

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and I think now in the post Lion
King wake, we've seen them take

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on stories from other cultures
and present them respectfully.

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But pre Lion King, it's really
all just fairy tale.

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Caucasian European fairy tales.
Yeah and now they're like, we're

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gonna make a movie about the
African Savanna and it's going

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to be infused with African
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Spirit is Umm and religion.
Yeah, Brad.

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You actually have brought up a
point about how unique this

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movie was, in the history of
Walt Disney as well.

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Interestingly enough, this was
actually kind of considered a

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filler movie and between years
for it, like inside the Walt

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Disney Corporation, they kind of
had this sense that any movies

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that was focused on animals was
kind of a subpar, like yeah,

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we're just going to use this as
a filler movie and if you were

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working on movies that had
humans as the main characters,

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those were like the main movie.
And you say, you know, you think

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about all those types of movies
and so the Lion King was kind of

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filler in a sense that was
leading up to Pocahontas.

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Like all of their money was
going into Pocahontas at this

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point that was going to be the
next big hit.

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And Pocahontas is a great movie
but it's no Lion King.

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No.
You know what I mean?

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No.
And so the interesting thing is,

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they didn't actually expect this
to be very big because it wasn't

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based on any Source material
this was Disney's very first

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ever movie.
That was completely their own

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intellectual property.
Interesting.

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It wasn't based on any stories,
it wasn't.

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You know, like you're saying
they just kind of based it on

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ideas of African culture, right?
And they didn't based on any

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actual legit source material.
Well, it seems like they based a

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little bit on Hamlet, I mean, so
yes, they kind of did, but they

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didn't come on to that until
later in the process.

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So, interesting originally scar
was not supposed to be a member

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of the family.
He wasn't supposed to be moved

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fast as brother, he was.
Supposed to be a lion that was

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just roaming the Plains and
wanted to get in on the goodness

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that was Pride Rock and he
wanted to steal the throne and

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then somebody mentioned they
were like oh what if we made

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scar Mufasa his brother and
they're like oh that would kind

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of make it a hamlet thing and
they actually went as far as

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when Scar throws Mufasa off of
the cliff, you know, School

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spoiler alert.
They actually we're going to

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have him say, the line, good
night.

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My sweet prince.
So interesting from Hamlet and

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they Alike as two on the no, no,
that's way too much and they

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actually pulled back that and a
few other Hamlet references.

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Interesting.
And so yes, it kind of does

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reference reference Hamlet, but
they definitely tried to be

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slightly innocuous about it.
So, in the years since this

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movie came out, there has been a
lot of push back on the idea

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that this was Disney's
intellectual property because

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there was a Japanese anime
called Kimba, the White Lion and

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the theory goes that they
basically stole Entire story of

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this movie Kimba made him Simba
if you if you seriously go

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online go to YouTube.
Look up.

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Kimba the White Lion.
The whole story is essentially

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The Lion King.
Yeah.

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Like he is next in line, there's
a character, I think named scar.

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It seems like too much of a
coincidence that they didn't

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know that it existed.
Bob, the Walt Disney Company has

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done no wrong ever.
They've never said anything to

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anybody, but look, these sketchy
origins of Lion, King aside,

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this is I mean it's a landmark
movie in the history of

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animation and I want to talk
just quickly about my favorite

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vocal performance in the whole
movie.

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Okay.
Now everyone remembers James,

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Earl Jones.
Yeah.

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With I mean and rightfully so
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The character of Mufasa you
could not have found a better

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voice actor to teach the life
lessons that Mufasa teaches than

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James Earl Jones, right?
But I am convinced having

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watched this like 40 times with
my toddler.

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Now that the best most important
voice actor in the movie is Army

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irons, as scar, without scar,
without a perfect villain.

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This movie does not work.
Yeah, I mean, when you think

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about it, they show the title
card for The Lion King, after

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circle of life.
And the first thing you see is

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scar toying with a mouse that he
found talking about how he'll

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never be king.
I was also interested though,

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the very opening line of the
movie.

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Yeah.
Other, you know, obviously, they

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sang at the start of chapter
life, but the opening line of

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dialogue is scar holding a Mouse
saying, I don't remember the

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exact line but he basically says
life is not fair that I use.

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That's fair.
Yeah.

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And I think that's interesting
because the whole, the whole

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philosophy of the circle of life
is that if you live life and if

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you, if you run in your own
lane, and you follow your

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purpose in life than life is
fair.

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Absolutely.
And, and the proper things

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result from that.
Yeah, life's not fair.

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Is it Zi?
When I shall never be Kings and

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you shall never see the light of
another day and you didn't your

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mother ever tell you not to play
with your food?

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What do you want?
I'm here to announce that King

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Mufasa is on his way so you'd
better have a good excuse for

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missing the ceremony this
morning.

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Oh no looks awesome, you made
me, lose my lung, you will lose

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more than that.
When the king gets through with

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you, he's as mad as a hippo with
a hernia.

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I quiver with fear and Scar,
literally counters that

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philosophy with the very first
line of dialogue and you know

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right away that he's the bad
guy.

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Yeah and what they do as
filmmakers is they put you in

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the presence of the bad guy
before.

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There's any other characters
around and you don't want to say

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you sympathize with him, but you
understand all of his

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motivations right off the bat
and it's in a lot of ways scar

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is the Of the movie.
I mean, because we move fossa

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dies.
Halfway through scars still

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around.
Yeah, and scars.

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The only one that takes you from
the beginning, to the end of the

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film.
And I really do think that

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Jeremy Irons Voice.
Work cannot be underrated here,

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understated.
He is like hammin it up,

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hardcore chewing, scenery left
and right.

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And I kind of wish that I could
see a video of him recording in

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real life, just in a room.
Because the way that he says his

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lines, like, people don't
actually talk like that, right?

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When zazou First comes in and,
and confronts him.

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And says, Mufasa is on his way.
He has this great.

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I quiver with fear.
Yeah.

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And like, when you think about
no one would actually say that

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line that way he's having a
good, a grand old time recording

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this.
Yeah.

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But it absolutely works for what
this movie needs that villain to

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be.
So can I tell you my big

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struggle with this watch
through?

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Yeah, let's hear it.
And the, and this is one of

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those things where I'm like,
this isn't the fault of the

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movie.
And, anyway, it's just my

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00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,400
personal struggle.
It's kind of related to lie just

454
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,600
growing up and becoming an
adult.

455
00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:04,700
I struggled so much with this
movie because I knew who all the

456
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,600
voice actors were.
Oh yeah.

457
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,600
You know what I mean?
And the reason I like scar so

458
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,800
much is because, to be
completely honest, like, I know

459
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,500
the name Jeremy Irons but for
me, he doesn't have a pivotal

460
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,900
movie that I've seen.
So, interesting where I'm like,

461
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,800
oh, that's Jeremy Irons whereas
like James, Earl Jones.

462
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,200
I've seen him in enough
different things that I'm like,

463
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,400
when I hear Darth Vader talk, I
hear James Earl Jones, dog.

464
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,300
When I hear Mufasa talk, I hear.
James, Earl Jones, talk.

465
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,000
I get that.
And so in the early 90s, Jeremy

466
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,600
Irons, he wasn't like the most
famous actor in the world, but

467
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,500
he was really well.
Known and respected, he had won

468
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,200
an Oscar for best actor.
So like people knew who he was,

469
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,100
I would kind of compare him in a
lot of ways, a Daniel Day-Lewis

470
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,100
now.
Yeah, not maybe not as respected

471
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:46,400
because Daniel Day-Lewis is like
the best ever to do it at this

472
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,600
point.
But in terms of name

473
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,700
recognition, people know who he
is, they might not be able to

474
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,700
say like, oh, I remember him
from this film.

475
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,500
Yeah, but he was well-known ish.
Yeah.

476
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,400
And There's almost that loss of
Innocence that I kind of felt on

477
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
this watch Through The Lion King
where I was like, oh, that's

478
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,500
Matthew Broderick and Jonathan
Taylor Thomas, right?

479
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,700
Listen, James, Earl Jones.
And but with scar, I didn't know

480
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,400
his voice well, enough that I
was just like, oh, this is

481
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,700
Scott.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

482
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,200
I love.
I totally get that.

483
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,500
And that's part of my concern
with this remake that they're

484
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:16,300
making.
That's going to come out.

485
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:18,200
In a couple months is that they
loaded it.

486
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,200
So full of recognizable names
and voices that I worry that I'm

487
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,600
just going to be hearing, Seth
Rogen.

488
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:27,000
I'm not going to hear.
Pumbaa, I'm in here, Seth Rogen.

489
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,000
And what really worries me about
it.

490
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Is they recast James, Earl Jones
as Mufasa again, but they didn't

491
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,800
recast Jeremy Irons a scar.
And the thing that I'm going to

492
00:24:36,808 --> 00:24:40,700
go into that movie wondering, is
did they nail the villain

493
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:43,800
because if they don't nail scar,
it's not going to be as good of

494
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,100
a movie.
It's just not.

495
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,900
Yeah.
The, the way a villain is

496
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,500
presented and who you choose, as
your villain is just as

497
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:51,700
important.
Yeah.

498
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,000
As choosing your main
protagonist solutely.

499
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000
So Brad, I want to talk a little
bit about the first half of

500
00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:01,100
Movie like leading up to move
faces, death and Simba getting

501
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:02,800
run out of the pride lands.
Yeah.

502
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,900
I feel like the movie can really
be split.

503
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,900
I would almost same two-thirds.
Well, yeah, third the second

504
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:12,000
third with Timon, Pumbaa and in
the last and it, yeah, pre

505
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,600
symbol getting booted out,
right?

506
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,700
The first half of this movie in
my opinion is incredible.

507
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,800
It's, there's so much tension,
you know, exactly what scars

508
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,300
plotting.
He sends Simba and Nala off to

509
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,600
that elephant graveyard where
they almost died.

510
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,700
Yep.
You know you get Mufasa rescuing

511
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,600
them.
Giving them life lessons

512
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,700
teaching Simba and as Asia tries
to help rescue them to?

513
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,100
Yeah it fails miserably.
Don't forget to give mr.

514
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:39,800
Bean some credit you get this
wonderful foreshadowing, where

515
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,500
Mufasa just randomly takes Simba
out into the field and says hey

516
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,100
look up at the stars.
That's all our dead relatives.

517
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,100
And that's the moment.
If you've seen enough horror

518
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,000
movies that you're, you just
know the second.

519
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,600
Somebody is, I'll be with you
forever.

520
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,500
That's, that's the second you
know like that guy's about to

521
00:25:54,508 --> 00:25:55,300
die.
Yep.

522
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,900
Mufasa is going to get it and he
does in the Very next scene and

523
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:02,300
he's gonna bite the dust that
pun intended.

524
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:08,000
That Stampede sequence is a
masterpiece of action Cinema of

525
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,600
horror subside.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, like it

526
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,500
is, you are on the edge of your
seat throughout that whole thing

527
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:18,000
and it goes to some really
really dark places on this watch

528
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,100
when Scar comes up to Simba
after Mufasa is dead and Simba's

529
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:26,900
crying cuddling, his dead
father, this movie, lays it on,

530
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,300
On in a way that's like almost
perversely dark.

531
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:33,900
Like I'm crushed as a viewer
seeing that, that scar has

532
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:38,400
succeeded and then scar comes up
and, and gas lights and guilt

533
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800
trip, Simba into thinking he did
it and it's the psychological

534
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
manipulation.
Yeah, of a child.

535
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Yeah, is horrifying, right?
And that's the thing too, is,

536
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,700
he's a kid, right in the movie.
And I think that's one of the

537
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,900
things for me.
That struck me about this movie

538
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:57,500
is that they play the innocence
of Simba, so, well, Innocent.

539
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,000
But it's also like that cocky
arrogance, where he doesn't

540
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800
understand that every time he's
around scar and he's like, I'm

541
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,400
gonna be the King, right?
He doesn't understand.

542
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,700
That's what I love about that.
Is that they give a relationship

543
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,300
between Scar and Simba.
That isn't just your normal

544
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:16,000
protagonist, antagonist.
Role their family.

545
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,100
Yeah and sin.
Simba's mind.

546
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:19,700
This is Uncle Scott.
Exactly.

547
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:23,300
This is somebody that I trust
and love and look up to and I, I

548
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:24,700
trust him.
Yeah.

549
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:29,000
And so you as the viewer, Who
have a little more wisdom can

550
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,600
look on that and say scars like,
manipulating you symbol is

551
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,100
trying to get you to go in the
elephant graveyard but then when

552
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,600
you watch him manipulate Simba
into thinking that he killed his

553
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,900
father that's horrifying.
Yeah it really is and this movie

554
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,700
really needed a shot of
lightness after that and that's

555
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:50,100
where Timon and Pumbaa come in
and it is, it's calm.

556
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,300
Its comedic relief but its
necessary comedic relief because

557
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,700
I can't even imagine how some
kids make it to that point of

558
00:27:56,708 --> 00:27:59,000
the movie.
Because it gets so, so dark.

559
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,200
Yeah.
And it really hits on some

560
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,700
important psychological truths.
We're like when people

561
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,300
experience tragedies on that
level.

562
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:09,000
Yeah, of like I killed my
father.

563
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Yep.
You do need a period of.

564
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,100
I don't know if forgetfulness is
the right word but like you

565
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,900
genuinely need time.
Yeah.

566
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:21,200
Before you go back and deal with
what happened to you, what

567
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,500
happened to your family?
Absolutely.

568
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,500
I'm talking about like real-life
tragedy.

569
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,200
Yeah.
You do need that lightness

570
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,700
moment of rest.
Spit almost.

571
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:31,200
Yes, for sure.
Well, I have some issues with

572
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Timon and Pumbaa and I think
that we should come back after

573
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,700
the break and talk about some
everyone's favorite characters.

574
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,000
Timon and Pumbaa because y'all
are going to hate me.

575
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,900
I don't think they're bad.
But I've got some issues with

576
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,900
the second half of this movie.
But Brad before we get into

577
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,700
that, let's pop the cork on this
bottle of Henry McKenna.

578
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,600
What do you say the best bourbon
in the world?

579
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,800
Alright, so today we are
continuing our series summer of

580
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,900
bourbon.
This is week for the summer of

581
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:10,600
bourbon and we are finally I
think hitting a peak here

582
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,100
because we're trying Henry
McKenna Single Barrel now.

583
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,800
Henry McKenna has been very
famous in Bourbon circles for a

584
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,400
long time because it's a really
affordable bottled in bond

585
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,600
hundred proof Single Barrel
Bourbon and it's always kind of

586
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Loan under the radar.
Like I said, we explain bottled

587
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,400
and bond.
Yeah, bottle so bottled in bond

588
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,200
is a legal distinction.
I think we did with the Evan

589
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,500
Williams a long time ago, but
let's let's bring it back up.

590
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:39,800
Again, bottled in bond means
that it was barreled under

591
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,500
government supervision.
It's aged at least four years

592
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:47,500
and it's bottled at 100 proof
and that makes it better.

593
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,900
I don't know, that makes it
better because we all know that

594
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,800
the government you know, does
things better than private

595
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600
businesses of course, of course.
Yeah.

596
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,400
Yeah.
So this is bottled and bond its

597
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
age four years.
It is a single barrel.

598
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400
For those of you who are
interested this is from Barrel

599
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,500
6312.
It was barreled in February of

600
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,000
09.
If any of you out there have a

601
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,200
bottle from the exact same
Barrel will give you something

602
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,300
for free.
Yeah, hit us up, send us a

603
00:30:11,308 --> 00:30:13,300
picture, send us a picture of
you enjoying it.

604
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,600
But so anyway this is a pretty
affordable single barrel and

605
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,200
people have loved Henry McKenna
for a long time because it flew

606
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,100
under the radar, people really
To the chase.

607
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:26,800
I remember when I was a
Kentucky, I asked a guy once

608
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,200
like what's a good single barrel
and he's like, dude, you got to

609
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,300
try this Henry, McKenna, and
interestingly enough, it will no

610
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,500
longer ever fly under the radar.
It's not, it does, it is sold

611
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,000
out everywhere because this past
year at the San Francisco World,

612
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,700
Spirits competition, which is
one of the biggest Spirits

613
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:46,500
competitions.
It not only one best bourbon it

614
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,800
won best whiskey, it was
competing against ryze.

615
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,700
It was competing against Scott
like single malt.

616
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,600
Scotches that cost thousands of
dollars were competing.

617
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:57,400
Eating against this.
And in blind, tastings this

618
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,800
whiskey.
A thirty dollar, whiskey beat

619
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,900
every whiskey.
That was submitted in the

620
00:31:02,908 --> 00:31:04,900
competition for Best in Show,
whiskey.

621
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,500
That's insane.
It is insane.

622
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,600
And there's been a ton of
pushback because people are

623
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,300
like, hey, this is a really good
thirty dollar bottle of bourbon,

624
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,100
but is it the best I've ever
had?

625
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,900
So the hype is real about this
thing.

626
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,700
If you can find a bottle, I
would recommend getting it just

627
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,700
to say you've done it but Brad
and I are going to take one for

628
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:23,700
the team here and we're going to
try it out and tell you what we

629
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:25,600
think of this best.
Show bourbon.

630
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,000
Brad.
What are you picking up on the

631
00:31:27,008 --> 00:31:30,600
nose here bourbon.
It's got a really strong

632
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:32,300
alcohol.
Forward knows.

633
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,600
Yeah, I was going to say it's
definitely hitting my palate.

634
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
You might have heard me cough at
one point.

635
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,500
I had just taken a nice big
whiff of it and it just kind of

636
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800
it.
Hit me hard underneath, all that

637
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,300
alcohol forward - though, it's
got these really good classic

638
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:53,300
dark bourbon notes.
It's just pure brown sugar maple

639
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,600
Brad.
What else are you picking up a

640
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,900
size of the alcohol?
Definitely has an Okie.

641
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,700
I don't there's a woodiness to
it will man.

642
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200
That just I I just caught I
don't know if you're going to

643
00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:09,400
catch us or not peanut butter.
It smells like it has a Nutty

644
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,900
smell it.
I'm to get nothing but like,

645
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:14,100
when you open a fresh jar of
peanut butter.

646
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,600
Yeah, that's what I'm picking up
on this.

647
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,400
If that helps, you understand
how dark and complex this

648
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
bourbon is.
So, before we take a taste Brad,

649
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,900
what would you give it on the
nose?

650
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,800
I'm gonna give it a seven on the
knows it's really complex and

651
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,700
interesting.
It has this full body to the, to

652
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,100
the nose that I really enjoy.
Yeah, I think I'll give it a

653
00:32:32,108 --> 00:32:34,400
seven and a half.
It really does have that alcohol

654
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,200
forward characteristic to it,
but once you start to look for

655
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,500
things and once I detected like,
peanut butter, that's not

656
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,200
something you smell on a bourbon
all the time.

657
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,200
Yeah, it's really taken off.
Yeah, for sure.

658
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:52,300
All right, let's give it a sip.
That peanut butter.

659
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,300
Are you getting out?
Yeah, it does have that like

660
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,400
waxy nutty flavor to it.
Yeah man I tell you what, I have

661
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600
always struggled with bottled in
bond Bourbons.

662
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:08,500
There's something about the
bottling alcohol point, that I

663
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,100
like 90 Proof.
Bourbons, I like higher proof

664
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,100
Bourbons, but hundred proof
Bourbons have.

665
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:16,500
Always been dicey for me, right?
I find them to be like really

666
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,100
bitter sometimes in a stringent
tasting, this one.

667
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,000
You can tell that there's a lot
of alcohol in it and it is like

668
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,200
burning my esophagus on the way
to its really, really warm.

669
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000
After I swallow the Kentucky,
hug is really the Kentucky hug,

670
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,300
but it is not at all an
unpleasant bourbon to drink, but

671
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,100
that's not a bad thing.
It hits you in all the right

672
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,300
ways.
All right, so Brad, are you

673
00:33:40,308 --> 00:33:42,300
picking up anything else on the
taste besides peanut butter,

674
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,200
right?
As it hits my tongue.

675
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,600
You get the sweetness.
Yeah.

676
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,400
You kind of get that sweet
caramely and it's really on the

677
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,000
back.
Tongue that you get more of the

678
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,300
deep bodied, peanut buttery
nuttiness?

679
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,700
Yep, yep.
What would you give?

680
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,700
The taste Brad.
I'm gonna give it an eight and a

681
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,300
half.
Wow, I really like the taste of.

682
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,600
Yeah, I like it a lot to again,
the higher proof.

683
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000
You can taste that it has a
higher alcohol content to it,

684
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,900
but it still has those really
deep dark bourbon notes that I

685
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:14,699
love.
So, I'm gonna give it a seven on

686
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:16,600
the taste Brad.
How about the finish?

687
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,900
The Finish has a little bit of
bitterness on it.

688
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,100
I don't.
Did you notice that?

689
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,800
Yeah, a bit.
It just a hint of bitterness

690
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,100
that I didn't care for.
I don't know if there's just a

691
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,400
little bit more Rye in it
perhaps their what, but yeah,

692
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,699
the Finish isn't quite as good
because of that bitterness.

693
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,199
But you still are getting that
taste of the peanut butter, that

694
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,300
just hit the back of your
tongue.

695
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,000
Yeah.
So I'm going to give the Finish

696
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,900
about a seven.
Yeah, I think I'm with you on

697
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,100
the Finish, you know, we talked
about the Kentucky hug this, you

698
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:46,000
know, there's idea that it warms
you going all the way down, this

699
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,100
was a little harsh, post
swallow, you know what I mean?

700
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,900
Like you're sure finish.
Harsher than I'm used to.

701
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,900
And I don't necessarily care for
that, right?

702
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,400
Because it wasn't like it left.
A lingering taste in my mouth as

703
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,600
much as it just made its
presence known like all the way

704
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,300
down to my stomach for sure.
So I'd give it a seven as well

705
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,500
and then overall balance Brad.
What do you thinking about

706
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,700
Henry, McKenna?
I think it has really good

707
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:08,500
balance.
There's a good nose.

708
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,300
That leads you to the notes you
would expect on the tasting and

709
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,000
on the finish.
I'm gonna give it an 8 on

710
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,700
balance.
Yeah I think I'll do the same.

711
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,300
It lets you know?
Right up front.

712
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,600
This is going to be a harsher
alcohol.

713
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:24,100
Forward, 100 Proof Bourbon and
it packs a punch all the way

714
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,100
through.
But those wonderful notes of

715
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:30,500
peanut butter are present all
the way through if you like a

716
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,600
little bit higher proof bourbon,
then you're in for a treat with

717
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,500
this one, I'm gonna give it an
eight for sure and then we get

718
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,300
into the most important category
value.

719
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,900
Yeah.
So with this bottle it is a

720
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:44,200
thirty five dollar bottle.
Yeah.

721
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,900
And state of Ohio, this bottle
cost 3499 but we also have to

722
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:51,900
factor in at the very least for
the next I would say about six

723
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,800
months to a year, or at least
this is going to be hard to

724
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,600
find.
Yeah.

725
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,500
And that honestly factors into
value because not only are you

726
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:02,700
going to spend $35, but you
actually will have to spend time

727
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,000
trying to find this bourbon,
right?

728
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,100
So, with that, in mind, what
would you give this score in

729
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,900
value?
Yeah, that's it's really hard

730
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,700
for me to say because prior to
it winning this award, I thought

731
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,800
it was a little overpriced at
$35.

732
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,500
Yeah, I would say 30 would Be a
perfect price point but it was

733
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,800
already at 35 then it wins the
award.

734
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,500
And from there it really just
depends on what you're looking

735
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,900
for.
If you're expecting that you're

736
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,400
going to actually have the
world's best bourbon in your

737
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,400
hand, not the world's best
bourbon, the world's best the

738
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,900
worst best whiskey in your hand,
then you're going to be

739
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,500
disappointed at any price point
because I just don't think this

740
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:41,700
is the best whiskey I've ever
had.

741
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,700
Yeah, however, if you want to be
able to tell your friends, I got

742
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:50,600
my hands on a bottle that won
Best in Show whiskey 4:30.

743
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,500
Five bucks.
That's good value.

744
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,000
I mean if you ever want to
impress someone that comes over

745
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,500
to your house and doesn't know a
ton about whiskey, you can say,

746
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,000
hey man, I've got this bottle on
my shelf.

747
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,300
It's the best whiskey in the
world.

748
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,900
Would you like some?
Yeah, and only, you have to know

749
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,900
you spent $35 on it, right?
If it's worth it to you, to try

750
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,500
it, then I would say, it's a
great value, but I can't take

751
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,100
into account the gold medal
because it's not going to win

752
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,700
the gold medal every year.
Well, and you've said this off,

753
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:20,500
are they might have just had a
single phenomenal bear.

754
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:23,200
I love this.
Yeah, we don't know because our

755
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,100
Barrel number 63124.
Whatever it was.

756
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,800
Yeah, is different than the
barrel that they tried exactly

757
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,500
for the world's competition.
Right?

758
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:32,600
Francisco.
Right.

759
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,900
So on and that's unfortunate.
It really is.

760
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:41,600
So if you just factor in Henry
McKenna, pre gold medal, I think

761
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,300
35 is a little pricey.
Okay.

762
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:45,000
I do think this is a darn good
bourbon.

763
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,900
Yeah.
And for a middle shelf bourbon

764
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:50,200
in that 25 to 40 dollar range.
It's worth having on your shelf

765
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,300
either way.
Bit of seven and a half on

766
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,000
value.
I was literally going to give it

767
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,800
the exact same thing.
I think seven and a half is a,

768
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,700
it's a good value, it's not
perfect value.

769
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,000
It's a little bit overpriced
Prix, gold medal, postcode gold

770
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
medal, if you can find it for
$35, that's a really good value.

771
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,200
So what does that bring you out
to Bob?

772
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,100
That brings me out to a 37 out
of 50.

773
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,500
Brad was that bring you to 38
38.

774
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,200
So we're in a 37 and a half,
this is nearing you know our

775
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,000
upper tier of Whiskey's.
We've literally Ali said

776
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,600
recently were like, man, I'm
just waiting for a berth for any

777
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,700
of our Whiskey's to hit that 40
mark.

778
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:28,700
Yeah.
Like, 40 out of 50.

779
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,600
You are getting into some darn
tootin good whiskey.

780
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,900
Darn tootin.
Yeah, that's right.

781
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,400
This, this is coming close to
that but it's not quite there.

782
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,000
Would you recommend though?
Yes, 100% of that.

783
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,900
I would definitely recommend.
I was a bourbon bar, a few weeks

784
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,000
ago, and they were doing shots
of this for five dollars.

785
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Oh, and that's, I mean, if you
can try it for five bucks, you a

786
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:52,500
Absolutely need to do that.
Yeah, go for it.

787
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,500
So this has been Henry McKenna
Brad.

788
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,000
What do you say?
We get back into talking about

789
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,400
The Lion King.
Let's do it.

790
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,300
Alright.
So that was Henry McKenna Single

791
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:08,200
Barrel.
That is just a darn good

792
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,100
bourbon.
That's it's really good burger

793
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,900
man.
And I can see like we kind of

794
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:15,400
said in the review they might
have gotten a phenomenal barrel

795
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,500
of it and that's why it won
world's best.

796
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,100
Yeah.
But for me, I think any barrel

797
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,800
of it is going to be a really
good burp.

798
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,900
Absolutely.
I mean, you know, we came out to

799
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:24,300
a 37 and a half.
Yeah.

800
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,600
Which if you multiply that out
to 100 it's a 75 out of 100 that

801
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,700
it's a really, really good
whiskey for sure.

802
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,900
So let's get back into the Lion
King though.

803
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,900
We were talking about before we
took A break.

804
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,900
I think the second half of this
movie falls off tremendously

805
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,000
from the first half.
Yeah.

806
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,600
And part of it is, I think the
voice talent in the second half,

807
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,100
I'm not a big Matthew Broderick.
As Simba guy, I was going to say

808
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:50,500
Matthew Broderick has kind of a
wine Enos that shouldn't be

809
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:52,300
there in an adult.
I mean, but it works for the

810
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,300
character because he's kind of
an oversized child for a long

811
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:56,100
time.
Yeah.

812
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,500
But you're removing, Jeremy
Irons and James.

813
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,800
Earl Jones from the movie for 40
minutes.

814
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Probably a large portion.
And you're left with Matthew

815
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,200
Broderick and Timon, and Pumbaa.
And I think that Timon and

816
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Pumbaa is voice acting was
perfect.

817
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,600
Oh, they're phenomenal, Nathan
Lane steals the show and the

818
00:40:12,607 --> 00:40:16,000
second half.
Sure yes Timon but my issue with

819
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,900
Timon and Pumbaa.
So you know symbol goes off into

820
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,700
the desert basically and he's
about to die of thirst and

821
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:22,700
starvation.
Right?

822
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:24,700
Timon and Pumbaa come and pick
him up.

823
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,500
They get you know the classic
Hakuna Matata song right?

824
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,400
I can't knock Hakuna Matata even
with the fart jokes like it's

825
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,100
still, it's just so much fun.
Yeah, what bothers me about

826
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,700
Timon and Pumbaa as characters
is that the script takes a turn

827
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,800
from this really respectful
austere writing to, like, let's

828
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,500
make pop culture references and
I think what, what Bob's trying

829
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:54,700
to say is it was very enclosed
within the frames of the movie?

830
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Yeah.
Like it was, it was really

831
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,600
respectful to African culture
and then all of a sudden you've

832
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,700
got Timon and Pumbaa singing,
The Lion Sleeps Tonight you've

833
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,100
got to In Pumbaa, you know,
Pumbaa at the end of the movie

834
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,900
says, makes a reference to In
the Heat of the Night.

835
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
They call me mr.
Tibbs, and comes in and says,

836
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,600
they call me mr.
Pig and it kind of takes you out

837
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400
of the world of the movie
because you're like, wait has

838
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,300
Timon and Pumbaa been watching
American Cinema from the 1960s.

839
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,000
Like why are they singing The
Lion Sleeps Tonight?

840
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,800
Why are they doing?
The hula isn't the hula.

841
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,300
Something that happens in Hawaii
and not Africa, right?

842
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,800
They just it pulled me out of
the movie a little bit and I

843
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,900
think you do Don't need those
things to make their characters,

844
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,600
incredibly funny because you're
talking about eliminating, maybe

845
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,900
30 to 40 seconds of the film.
And to me, it you're kind of

846
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,300
cheapening.
What you want to do with your

847
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,900
comic relief, when you go for
the really lazy easy to make pop

848
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:50,600
culture, joke?
That's part of why.

849
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,500
I like the Shrek movies don't
hold up for me.

850
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,900
They make so many references to
the Matrix or things that young

851
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,300
people, today might not
recognize right, and when the

852
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:03,200
whole point of it is to
recognize it then your jokes.

853
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,300
You can make a funny joke that
holds up for years and years you

854
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:09,200
know we watch Some Like It Hot
that holds up 60 years later.

855
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,800
Yeah.
Because it's not bogged down in

856
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:16,300
references to 1959 or in the
course the movie 1930-something

857
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,500
cultures are exactly.
Yeah I don't know though because

858
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,100
there's certain elements like
you mentioned them singing in

859
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,900
the jungle.
Yeah that like that's something

860
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,700
that we will understand forever.
Sure I don't ever see that song

861
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,500
going out of the public
Consciousness and so for me

862
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,700
watching the movie I didn't have
Have that sense at all?

863
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,400
Hmm, nothing about the pop
culture references or the hula

864
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,000
through me from the culture of
the movie.

865
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:46,400
And I think it's because they
set up Timon and Pumbaa as the

866
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,700
comic relief.
Yeah, that it didn't bother me

867
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,900
when they use things that
weren't of African culture for

868
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:53,800
comic relief.
Yeah, I get that.

869
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,100
I think part of it too.
Is that in the first half of the

870
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,000
movie?
There's no comic break from the

871
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,400
tension.
Yeah, when Simba is confronting

872
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,500
scar at the end of the movie, I
feel like we To be there in that

873
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,100
confrontation.
And then to keep cutting away to

874
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,600
these characters doing the hula.
It doesn't put me on the edge of

875
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,900
my seat, the way the first half
of the movie does see, I think I

876
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:15,800
think you might be being a
little unfair to it though,

877
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,400
because that happens once.
Yeah, they travel.

878
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000
So Simba runs into Rafiki,
right?

879
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,000
And he's reminded of who he is.
He talks to his dad and the

880
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,200
Stars.
Yep.

881
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:27,000
And then he travels back?
Yeah.

882
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,800
And he runs into Nala and then
he finds out that that Timon and

883
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,100
Pumbaa are with her.
Yep.

884
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,300
And they say all right.
What's the plan right?

885
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,500
What am I gonna dress in Drag
and do the whoo.

886
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,900
Yeah.
In that scene happens.

887
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:43,300
And then the rest of the movie
is super serious.

888
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:45,000
Yeah.
But even then like you've got

889
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,500
Timon and Pumbaa charging the
hyenas and knocking them over

890
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,600
like bowling pins.
Like there's still that comic

891
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,300
relief.
Yeah.

892
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,300
And I just, I don't know.
I feel like it could have been

893
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,300
done better.
I'm not saying it's bad.

894
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,300
Like, obviously this movie is
not bad but Timon and Pumbaa,

895
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,700
there's some things that they
give them to do in the script

896
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:02,900
that I feel like, all right.
You probably could have trimmed

897
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:06,300
that little bit See, I think
that there's something endearing

898
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,900
about those scenes though that I
wouldn't remove them from the

899
00:44:08,908 --> 00:44:10,600
movie.
I think they add to the movie.

900
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,300
I mean, this is the sign of a
great movie.

901
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,700
When you're nitpicking on the
level, that I'm nitpicking your.

902
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,600
I mean like I'm not talking
about huge, structural changes

903
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,700
to the movie that need to be
made.

904
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,500
We're talking about like these
30 seconds bothered me.

905
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Yeah, you know, and I think
you're wrong, also you're

906
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,400
talking about when symbols
running back to Pride Rock.

907
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,500
I've always wondered like he
must not have gone that far

908
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,200
because he runs like in the
course of like one afternoon and

909
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,100
yeah.
And and we're to believe that

910
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,100
when Scar is sending on the
females out Scavenging, for

911
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:39,900
food, that they've just never
made it that far.

912
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,600
But will they made it seem like
when Nala gets there?

913
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,200
That's honestly, that's one of
the things about the movie, I

914
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,400
realized I'm like, why was now a
really out there?

915
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,500
Because initially, I thought it
was, she was hunting for food,

916
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:51,500
right?
But then she said it's I was

917
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,000
going to get help, right?
Who does she know outside of

918
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Pride Rock that would help.
Maybe she was looking for

919
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,000
another pride of lions and she
was just like going out under

920
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,500
the guise of trying to find
food, okay?

921
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,300
But simply did not A great job
of running away because he

922
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,800
clearly makes it back to Pride
Rock in like three hours.

923
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,000
Child.
That's fair.

924
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,000
He couldn't have gone too far.
That's yeah, that's true.

925
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,200
So Brad, I want to I want to
talk about something that you

926
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
reference in the first half of
the show, which was this idea of

927
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,400
the circle of life and
fulfilling your

928
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,800
responsibilities.
And I really do think that this

929
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,200
movie does a beautiful job at
calling people to their place in

930
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,600
community.
Because what Disney movies do a

931
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,400
lot is they fall into that trap
of whatever you want as an

932
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,900
individual is What you deserve,
right?

933
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,400
And if you work hard for it,
you're going to it's very

934
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,100
Americanized attitude, the
rugged, individualism.

935
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,300
But what I love about the way
this movie treats, the African

936
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:47,400
culture that it's dealing with
is that it's all about know.

937
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,300
You're part of a much larger
thing that's going on, you're a

938
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,500
cog, you know, and I don't want
to make it, make a sound

939
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,600
machine.
Like but you're, you're just one

940
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,300
part of a bigger picture and we
all serve a purpose in the

941
00:45:57,308 --> 00:46:00,700
circle of life.
We've really needed you at home.

942
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,500
No one needs me.
Yes, we do.

943
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:06,300
You're the king all we've been
through this, I'm not the king

944
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:08,900
star is.
Simba.

945
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,300
He let the hyenas take over the
pride lands but everything's

946
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,000
destroyed.
There's no food.

947
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,300
No water Sim.
If you don't do something soon,

948
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:18,300
everyone will starve.
Can't go back.

949
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,600
You wouldn't understand.
I understand.

950
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Oh no, it doesn't matter.
How gonna Matata, what Hakuna

951
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,900
Matata.
It's something I learned out

952
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:27,900
here.
Look, sometimes bad things

953
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,900
happen, Simba.
And there's nothing you can do

954
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,200
about it.
So why worry?

955
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Because it's your
responsibility.

956
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,000
What about you?
You left.

957
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,200
I left to find help.
And I found you don't, you

958
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,000
understand?
You're our only hope.

959
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:47,200
Sorry what's happened to you?
You're not the semi remember

960
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,400
you're right?
I'm not now.

961
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,700
Are you satisfied?
No just disappointed.

962
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,300
You know you're starting to
sound like my father good least

963
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,400
one of us does but what worries
me is that I feel like there's

964
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200
kind of these two competing
narratives going on.

965
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,500
On the one hand you've got you
know you need to become who

966
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,700
you're supposed to be.
You need to take your place in

967
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,200
the circle of life but then on
the other hand you have Nala

968
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000
coming back.
Telling symbol like Scarlet the

969
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,500
hyenas into the pride lands and
then that's what makes Simba

970
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,200
upset.
Yeah and it's kind of like so is

971
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,700
this culture racist?
Is this a class structure where

972
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,000
hyenas are not allowed to ever
be in charge?

973
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,300
And the fact that they would
dare to mingle with lions is

974
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,100
like some sort of a fence.
Like I don't think that this

975
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,600
narrative this philosophy of the
circle of life is perfect and it

976
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,200
certainly has some issues.
So, this is my I was literally

977
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,200
thinking I was going to say that
I'm Gonna Be The Devil's

978
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,700
Advocate.
Yeah, you've already started it.

979
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:46,400
For me.
Cool.

980
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:50,000
My struggle with the philosophy
of the circle of life.

981
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Is this idea that there is a?
It's almost like, there's this

982
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,200
caste system where you are only
allowed to be what you are.

983
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,900
Yeah you can never change and if
hyenas are scavengers on the

984
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,400
edge of society that have to
live on scraps and can never

985
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,800
advance and become better.
Then that's who they have to be

986
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,800
and you're not allowed to try to
advance yourself.

987
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Yeah.
A lot of ants out of that.

988
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,200
Yeah.
It definitely falls apart when

989
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,600
you try to pull it out and
extrapolate it and apply it to

990
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,000
real life, right?
One of the things that I love

991
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,500
about the Lion.
King's philosophy though is I've

992
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,100
seen it done now in other
movies.

993
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,700
So like I don't know if you've
seen black panther yet but black

994
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,000
panther really reminds me of the
Lion King in a lot of ways.

995
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,100
And it's not just because it
deals with African culture but

996
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,100
it, you know, you go to the land
of your ancestors when T'challa

997
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:44,800
goes into the ancestral plane
and he talks to his dad, who was

998
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,100
the king, he kneels before his
dad and my favorite line in the

999
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,400
whole movie is when he looks at
t'challa and says, stand up, you

1000
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,600
are a king, right?
And, and what that line does,

1001
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,900
for people watching it in
America, like young black males

1002
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,500
in America, watching that movie,
I feel like it fixes, what Lion

1003
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,400
King got wrong, which is the
implication in The Lion.

1004
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,800
King is be who you are but you
can never Advance.

1005
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800
You can't not be a hyena, right?
Whereas The Lion King or where's

1006
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,500
black panther was you are a king
but you need to realize it and

1007
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,500
you need to step up into it.
It's the story of Simba without

1008
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,200
all the baggage in a way but the
interesting thing about Black

1009
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,100
Panther is Michael B Jordans
character.

1010
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,400
Yeah.
Does the exact same thing.

1011
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600
He steps up and tries to be the
king and he's overthrown because

1012
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,400
of it because he's not destined
to tell.

1013
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Maybe it is closer to the Lion
King than I remembered it be.

1014
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,200
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I mind it's not every

1015
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,700
person from wakanda that is
allowed to stand up and say I am

1016
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:42,200
the king.
It's The Kings done very true.

1017
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,900
He is a part of that part of the
circle, Right, light doctoral

1018
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:49,200
thesis on parallels between Lion
King and black panther before we

1019
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,800
go.
And I know we're winding down,

1020
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,800
we cannot get out of this
episode without talking about.

1021
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,700
First of all, Hans Zimmer's
score.

1022
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:59,400
Yes, when Simba is walking up.
Pride.

1023
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Rock in the rain, at the end of
the movie and he Roars to

1024
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,000
announce that.
He's the king that music with

1025
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,500
the drums.
Oh my gosh, talk about something

1026
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:11,900
that's inspiring and compelling.
Absolutely for me, I think the

1027
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:19,300
most emotionally tense moment of
the movie is the Stampede and

1028
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,700
it's simply created because of
the music that Hans Zimmer that

1029
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:23,600
compose.
Yep.

1030
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,300
That seen the music is so Eerie.
Yep.

1031
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,700
And it freaks you out and it
takes you to a place where I

1032
00:50:30,707 --> 00:50:33,400
don't care how many times you've
seen The Lion King.

1033
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,100
You can't watch that scene and
not just feel that sense of oh

1034
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,700
yeah, like there's something
about that scene that Without

1035
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:42,600
Hans Zimmer.
Composing that yep.

1036
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,000
It's nothing.
Yep.

1037
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,700
And of course Elton John songs
for this film are just I mean

1038
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,800
you know and Elton was writing
the melody and there was a

1039
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,800
Lyricist writing the lyrics but
the combination of the way these

1040
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,100
songs Advance, the plot tell a
story we talked about Singin in

1041
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,800
the Rain and how one of my
issues with that movie on this

1042
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,500
watch?
Was that the songs just don't

1043
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:06,600
Advance the plot right in this
movie?

1044
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:10,200
You know, even a really funny
simple song like I just can't.

1045
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,100
Wait, to be king that tells you
a lot about Simba's character

1046
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:15,100
and even Hakuna Matata.
Yeah.

1047
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:19,000
Teaches him a life lesson that
he uses to move forward from the

1048
00:51:19,008 --> 00:51:22,000
tragedy absolutely.
Which he ends up like dropping

1049
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,600
when she decides to be king, he
rejects, the Hakuna Matata

1050
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,400
philosophy, but at that point of
the movie, it's super important

1051
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:30,900
and it helps us move the movie
along.

1052
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:35,200
So Brad, if you had to pick one
song from this movie, best song

1053
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,800
in the film, what would you pick
from Elton?

1054
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,200
John or from Hans Zimmer song,
So else?

1055
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:45,200
Like actual musical sung song?
I would probably say hakuna

1056
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,100
matata.
Oh man, it's so good.

1057
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,800
It's so it's so fun.
Can You Feel the Love?

1058
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,400
Tonight is really good but it's
not my favorite.

1059
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,800
Yeah it feels that one feels
super Elton.

1060
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,400
John E.
Yeah, it's a ballad.

1061
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,000
It's a ballad.
I would say I can't get over

1062
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,700
circle of life, just because I'm
so used to watching the visuals

1063
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:08,500
to go along with it, right.
You know what I mean?

1064
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:11,700
Yeah, Hakuna Matata might be A
better song or I just can't wait

1065
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:14,800
to be king, right?
But like that, first sequence

1066
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,800
will always be the Pinnacle of
this movie for me.

1067
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,800
I'm going to change my answer, I
just can't wait to be king.

1068
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:23,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That I really think that that

1069
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,500
one, like you said, advances the
plot, but it's so catchy.

1070
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,000
Oh, and it's so I don't know.
There's something about that

1071
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,200
song that you just can't ignore.
No, not at all.

1072
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,300
So, Brad, if you had to give
this movie A score, what would

1073
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:42,700
you give it?
10/10 10/10 it like out of all

1074
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,600
the animated films.
I would give another animated

1075
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,300
Disney film of 10/10 and would
probably just be these two but

1076
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:52,200
it would just be these two would
be liking this.

1077
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Other one that I'm sure we'll
get to at some point and I'm not

1078
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,900
going to spoil it.
Now I have a feeling that I know

1079
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,900
what it is and I'm going to tell
you what, my my score for this

1080
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:02,400
movie.
I'm going to give it a nine

1081
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,000
point five.
Yeah, I do think there's a

1082
00:53:04,008 --> 00:53:07,000
couple small things that I would
tweak about it but it is so

1083
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,300
visually beautiful.
Breathtaking.

1084
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,000
And in a lot of ways, the
hand-drawn animation in this

1085
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,400
movie has never been topped.
It's impeccable.

1086
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,000
I do think that I compare it a
little bit to Beauty and the

1087
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,300
Beast and Beauty, and the Beast
in my mind, I mean, it follows

1088
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,000
the classic Disney formula, but
I don't know if Disney has ever

1089
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,300
made a better more polished,
more efficient, movie than

1090
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:31,900
Beauty, and the Beast.
And I think I'd give Beauty

1091
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:35,000
attend, and I'd give this one a
nine and a half just because I'm

1092
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,500
probably comparing the two.
Yeah, but there you have it.

1093
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,900
I mean I'm a tan. 9.5 brazza to
10.

1094
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,400
So we're coming out to a nine
point seven five.

1095
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,000
This is Blanca type still.
Yes or this is a phenomenal

1096
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,400
classic movie.
You're not going to hear us, you

1097
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,200
know, give this one a negative
review.

1098
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,100
So you would say that Beauty and
the Beast is the Casablanca of

1099
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,300
Disney animated films, probably.
Yeah.

1100
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,900
But we wouldn't know what you
have to say.

1101
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,700
So, reach out to us on social
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1102
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:03,200
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1103
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,600
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1104
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,600
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1105
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,400
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1106
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,900
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1107
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,500
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1108
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,200
Nine two three next week we will
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1109
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,300
Anniversary.
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1110
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:31,100
Tarantino classic Pulp Fiction.
We are taking a hard left turn

1111
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,400
from the White Lion King into by
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1112
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,300
So welcome on next week's
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1113
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,200
They sure are for the field of
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1114
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,700
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