The Dark Knight / Sazerac Rye

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Robots radio presents.
In 2008, director, Christopher

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Nolan and star Christian Bale
gave the world, an eerily

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thrilling superhero movie that
transcends the genre in 2019, we

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kick off season 2 with an
absolute classic of awry.

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The movie is The Dark Knight.
The whiskey is Sazerac rye and

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we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the season two

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premiere of the film.
And whiskey podcast the show,

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where each week, we review a
classic movie and a glass of

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whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.

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And this week, we are looking at
the 2008 film.

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The Dark Knight Brad.
Welcome to season 2, man.

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It is so good to be back in the
studio again.

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Have you enjoyed your time off
since we recorded our season 1

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finale?
Oh my gosh, dude.

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I can't tell you the amount of
Adventures I've been on.

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I've been in Germany and China
and Cancun.

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It's just been epic.
Well, I've always felt like this

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podcast was holding you back.
So I'm glad you're finally

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living a fulfilling life in your
off time.

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Well, now that we're making all
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have the extra income to, you
know, go do realize my dreams.

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Absolutely.
Well, hey man, we had to drag

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you back in at some point and we
are back.

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Back for the beginning of season
2, talking about honestly, one

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of the Cornerstone films of our
young lives. 2008's The Dark

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Knight and Brad.
I don't think this is one of

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those movies where I'm going to
even have to ask you, if you've

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seen it before, because I feel
like if you're under a certain

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age, everyone in America saw
this movie, this was a cultural

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phenomenon and it has become one
of the defining films of a

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generation.
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In a lot of different ways, The
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Of people's lives during that
era as far as like their

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understanding of movies that
you, that just because it's a

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superhero movie doesn't mean
that it has to be us of a

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certain type.
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Like I'm sure like I think back
on the superhero movies before

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this and you even look at the
90s Batman movies and they were

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cheesy and Jack Nicholson is
Hamming.

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It up.
And you know, you have that era

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and then you have the newer are
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The Spider-Man's were coming out
with Tobey Maguire which fun

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fact.
I actually really Like those

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Spider-Man.
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first movie in this Trilogy, you
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Batman Begins.
It still had the classic

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Christopher Nolan, kind of
twists and surprises but I would

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say it, followed the superhero.
Genre more closely this movie

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took Cinema to a whole new
level.

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Yeah, this really did change the
game when it came to superhero

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films and Brad.
You're right.

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I mean, I think what we've seen
over the years is an evolution

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in how filmmakers envisioned
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think back to like 1978 Superman
the movie with Christopher

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Reeve.
I think that's a phenomenal

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movie and you get to the late
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had pretty much fallen out of
fashion again until Tim Burton

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takes on Batman and I look back
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And I've actually never really
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people of a certain age people
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really transformed and changed
by what that movie did and at

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the time that was considered a
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on it.
Because Burton went for these

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sort of Gothic, expressionistic
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But when you get to the Dark
Knight and I hate to use the

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word grounded, I hate to use the
word gritty or realistic because

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we're going to use it.
We're going to overuse it

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talking about this movie.
But what Christopher Nolan did

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with the Dark Knight is he took,
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and he applied it to what is
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tail.
Like, this movie strikes, me

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more as almost like a crime
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like a crime film, Like Michael
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that.
Then it does a superhero movie.

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Does that make sense?
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like this could be an episode of
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You know what I mean?
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I remember as I was watching it
this time, I guess I had

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forgotten how much they make
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Like there is no semblance of
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book movie like even compared to
the Marvel movies, which I would

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say do a pretty good job of
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Being superheroes in the real
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At least when they're on earth
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doesn't feel like a superhero
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You can talk about how Batman
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powers.
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really wealthy in the end.
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crime drama.
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And I think the movie has a lot
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that direction.
And you know what, we see in the

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Years After the Dark Knight is
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franchises tried the Dark Knight
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Whether it be with In the
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something like, you know, James
Bond which reboot rebooted a few

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years after this with Casino
Royale, everyone tried to take

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the more realistic less
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and apply it in a gritty way.
And the Dark Knight is directly

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responsible for that.
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was that people were over the,
the stylized version of

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superheroes that you had seen in
a lot of ways, and they wanted

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that Gritty realistic type of
movie and in the dark night, you

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really get that almost to
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Well, I don't think we should go
any further at this point though

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without busting out our favorite
segment on this show.

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Brad explains the part of the
show, where Brad tells us

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exactly what this movie was
about.

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So Brad, can you succinctly some
up for us?

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The film.
The Dark Knight.

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Hey, you want to see a magic
trick?

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What was that your Joker?
What?

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What's that smell?
That was more of my like it was

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a poor.
Poor attempt at the Joker.

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All right.
Cool.

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You're off to a good start.
But long story short, there's

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this dude named Bruce Wayne and
he's also Batman and Batman is

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cleaning up the city of Gotham,
which used to be really, really

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crappy and crime-ridden and he's
doing such a good job of it that

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he's about to shut down like
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And all their rackets.
And so they decide to release

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this madman named The Joker on
to the city of Gotham in order

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to get rid of the Batman.
And the Joker comes up with this

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plan, where he's going to start
murdering citizens of Gotham day

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by day until the Batman reveals
himself, and who he is.

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And so, the rest of the movie is
this, like we said earlier, it's

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a crime drama.
They're trying to figure out who

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the Joker is.
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what his motivations are.
Why is he doing the things that

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he is doing?
And through that?

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You get a fantastic Adventure
that's just gripping from the

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very opening scene.
Well, hey, that was actually a

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really good summation Brad.
Nice job sir, boom.

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So the Dark Knight comes out in
2008 directed by Christopher

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Nolan.
We've already touched on this,

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Nolan has become one of
Hollywood's biggest directors.

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I mean so much so that a he kind
of gets his way with whatever he

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wants.
Now he can make Movie about

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anything and it's just financed.
And The Dark Knight is a huge

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piece in that puzzle because
before he came onto the Batman

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series, Christopher Nolan was a
really critically regarded

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director, who was doing some
interesting things.

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He really dealt with movies that
had a lot to do with the human

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psyche, and some Dark Twisted
stuff in that his most famous

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movie before.
This was a Memento, made

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Memento, he made a remake of a
Swedish movie called insomnia.

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And then Warner Brothers, picks
him up, to make Batman Begins.

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After Batman Begins, he makes
the prestige which is a lot of

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people's favorite Christopher
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with this sequel.
The Dark Knight.

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So Brad.
How familiar are you with

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Christopher?
Nolan's sort of filmography, did

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you, have you seen a lot of his
earlier films before the dark

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know?
Honestly, I've seen a lot of

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Christopher Nolan from Batman
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I don't know if I've ever seen
anything from before that.

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Like, I've seen Inception and
The Prestige and all three of

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the Batman and you know, a few
of his other new Her films.

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But no, I don't think I've ever
seen Memento or insomnia.

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One of the things that I love
that Christopher Nolan does kind

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of has a signature.
Now, is that the climax of his

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movies?
He intercuts between two or

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three story lines, back and
forth to build suspense, and you

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get that again in this movie, at
the end of the film, you're

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watching, you know, these two
fairies full of people, one full

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of convicts, one full of
citizens that the Joker has

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rigged with explosives, and he's
given each very icky to blow up

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the other fairy Joker's trying
to introduce a new Turkey into

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Gotham and prove that people are
not as principled as Batman

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would like to believe and
intercut with that, you've also

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got what's going on with Batman.
Try to find the Joker in this

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skyscraper.
That's under construction.

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And you see this pattern
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Christopher Nolan's movies, it's
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Inception, where you essentially
have four different storylines

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going on at the same time and
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And I think it's just this
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You see, and I don't recall if
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Batman Begins I think that the
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time we see Christopher Nolan
employ this like signature

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cutting technique that he does.
Yeah, like you said, Inception

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is probably where it's at its
best where you have all those

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stories being interwoven and
he's just flashing back and

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forth between the two of them so
quickly but you're right.

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I think this might be the first
time that he did that, and that

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like it really is a phenomenal
way to keep people on the edge

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of their seats.
So no one also co-wrote this

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movie.
His brother Jonathan, which he

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tends to do on most of his
films, but aside from his

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excellent Direction and his
excellent script.

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What really blows me away about
this movie is the cast.

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I mean, just from top to bottom.
The people you find in this

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movie starting at the top with
Christian Bale is bad man.

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Heath Ledger as the Joker Morgan
Freeman, Gary Oldman, Maggie,

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Gyllenhaal and Aaron Eckhart.
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players, you know, and I didn't
even mention Michael Caine as

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Alfred.
So you know, front from top to

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bottom.
This cast is just absolutely

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Stacked.
Yeah, the further you get along

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in this movie, you like it
almost becomes normal to just

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see, great actors giving out
great performances.

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Honestly, when I was watching
this movie, I just thought to

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myself halfway through, I'm
like, man.

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Yes, you know, we're going to
talk about and people always

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talk about Heath Ledger as the
Joker but the rest of this cast

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turns in some wonderful
performances.

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Well that leads us into our next
topic here.

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Brad at which is the cast and I
guess I want to ask you.

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Who do you want Start with
because we, I think we should

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just go through the cast and
give our thoughts on each

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person.
Yeah, let's let's start small

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and and big that's not good.
Okay.

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So let's start with Aaron,
Eckhart as Two-Face.

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So Aaron Eckhart plays a
character, you know, if you're

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big into comic books, as I was
not growing up, then, you know,

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the backstory of the character
to face you know his real name

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is Harvey Dent in this film.
He is the district attorney of

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Gotham, who is considered to be
a time and time again they call

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him Gotham's.
White Knight, he is the hero

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that Gotham needs, you know to
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He has this image of this
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is crusading for justice and by
the end of the film, The Joker's

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sort of maneuvering and his
machinations and all that has

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led Harvey Dent to be horribly
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He's lost the love of his life
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face to show you that it's full
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Pretty to believe in good until
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until they get a good.
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all the heroic things.
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You didn't think I'd risk losing
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fistfight with you.
You need an Ace in the Hole.

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Mine's Harvey.
What did you do?

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I took Gotham's White Knight and
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it wasn't hard see Madness.
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All it takes is a little push.
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Brad what do you think about
Eckhart in this movie?

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Honestly if you put Christian
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main two performances and then
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You named as all like supporting
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I might say that Aaron Eckhart
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performance out of anybody in
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Oh, that's really interesting to
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And this, I'm actually really
happy that we're going to have

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something to disagree on because
I think we both love this movie,

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but I kind of find Aaron
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I don't know if I would call it
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think it's the, it's probably
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Like, it, really?
Yeah, to me, it's the one that I

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think would fit in a regular
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Movie more than Other
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It's the least grounded.
I think you know, he definitely

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choose the scenery his CGI face
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he seems a little bit broad.
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over-the-top for me and it might
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Eckhart is like that great of an
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against these sort of like
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But yeah, for me, I liked what
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I didn't think he was bad
necessarily, but if I had to put

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my finger on one person in this
cast, that I think I could have

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may be swapped out for someone
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I think for me will be Eckhart.
Wow, that actually surprises me.

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And for people listening that
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Define, a campy performance.
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That's that's a little bit hard
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You know when I think of of camp
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like Rocky Horror Picture Show,
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tongue-in-cheek, almost like
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eckhart's not going that far
overboard where he's like, you

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know, staring down the barrel of
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But I do think that Eckhart in
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Iron Man are like, Cut From the
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It's a little bit more over the
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for.
So he's not pulling a Walter

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Huston and winking at the
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Literally he's not going that
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Yeah, yeah that's interesting to
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I did not think he was over the
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know, like we talked about
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across like a crime drama.
And I'm so used to shows like

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the wire or NCIS or Are you
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shows having characters that act
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pursuit of justice and I'll
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best for my people but I'll even
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And yeah, I've never stopped
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Type of character is so
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genre that to me, Aaron Eckhart
was like perfect for that role.

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I thought he performed very
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it's actually a really good
point because he really does

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remind Made me almost less of
like a movie style of acting and

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more of like a I'm on Law and
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And and in a lot of ways, I do

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think you're right.
It really works for the

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character because of what Nolan
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He takes this, like you know,
this Lennie Briscoe type

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character that we're all used to
seeing and he turns it on his

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head when he becomes a villain,
right?

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And I think that the reason he
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enthusiasm at the start of the
movie, Is to emphasize how far

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he falls when he's ready to kill
Gordon son at the end of the

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movie.
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And that's a scene that I want
to get to eventually because for

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me that's one of the best scenes
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But because you mentioned his
name, I think maybe we should

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segue into some of the other
people in the cast.

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And for me, the best supporting
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Gary Oldman as Commissioner
Gordon and it's because, you

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know, Gary Oldman has now won an
Oscar, he was a guy that was an

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unsung hero in Hollywood for
years and years.

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We've seen him in in so many
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Whether it was in, you know, the
professional or as Sirius Black

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in Harry Potter and he really
under plays things here.

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We've seen him in enough roles
where he's screaming and a

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lunatic and things like that.
For me old man, just knocks it

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out of the park because he I
think he understands that he's

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in a movie where there's a man
dressed up in a cape like a bat

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standing next to him and you
know in the wrong hands with the

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wrong actors, this whole
scenario could be ridiculous and

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Gary Oldman really just kind of
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And in a lot of ways, I feel
like we're in his shoes, you

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know, he's not a superhero.
He's not a super villain.

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He's just a guy that's in over
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help in any way that he can.
And so, for me, he was kind of

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like my into the movie as an
audience member.

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Yeah.
And a lot of ways, if you want

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to picture yourself as somebody
in this film, he's the easiest

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person to stand in for in
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citizen wants to do a good job
for their Over hood for their,

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you know, community and they
want to keep people safe.

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They want to help out and and
Gary Oldman does that perfectly

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in this movie.
And I would agree with you that

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if it wasn't Aaron.
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very close for me as his
performance was so, so well

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done.
All right.

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What did you think about Maggie
Gyllenhaal in the role of

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Rachel?
Now, in the first film Batman

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Begins, this character was
played by Katie Holmes.

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She was replaced for this film
with Maggie Gyllenhaal.

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I think that was the Right
choice because I think Maggie

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Gyllenhaal is just a way better
actor than Katie Holmes but for

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the amount of time that we had
her on screen.

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What did you think of Maggie
Gyllenhaal?

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I thought she was okay.
Okay, I wasn't Blown Away by her

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performance.
There's a few lines that were

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delivered and just like a way
over dramatic fashion that I

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wasn't a huge fan of.
Yeah.

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But I mean overall like she's
she's pretty good.

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I'd probably give her like a
bee. - I don't really think she

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had that much to work with here
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You know, she heard character is
probably the most under written,

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which is really sad.
Add because she's one of only a

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few characters that carried over
from the first movie and I guess

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we'll get into what happens to
her here.

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But one of the big twists of
this film is that she's killed

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halfway through the film by The
Joker.

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And the first time I saw this
movie, I mean, obviously, that

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was not something I was
expecting and it really is such

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an effective kill because after
that point you have no idea

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who's safe and who's not.
And I think that Maggie

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Gyllenhaal's last scene, you
know, where she's tied up in

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this abandoned sort of way.
House surrounded by these oil

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drums and she's talking through
a phone that's been rigged to

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Harvey Dent her boyfriend.
I think that scene is so

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powerful and she really plays it
well and because of how

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committed she is I think that
scene has even more of an

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emotional impact.
Yeah.

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You know what you're right.
I don't know if I've been giving

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her enough credit for that final
scene because I will agree.

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That's probably one of the most
powerful scenes of the movie

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that really gives the film The
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It needs for the final fight
between Batman and Joker.

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So, okay, we've gone through
three of our supporting

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characters.
I guess the other two that we

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should at least briefly mention
would be Michael.

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Caine as Alfred, and Morgan
Freeman as Lucius Fox.

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So let's talk about Morgan
Freeman first.

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Because if I'm being 100% honest
here, you know, we've just

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watched Morgan Freeman a few
weeks back in the Shawshank

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Redemption, which is probably my
favorite Morgan Freeman

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performance.
This is another character for me

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that I think is under written
and in a lot of ways, I kind of

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wonder why.
Morgan Freeman needed to be in

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this movie.
He's great because he's always

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great.
But this character has very

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little bearing on what happens
in the film.

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And it seemed like it could have
been played by like, literally

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anybody and it wouldn't have
really made the movie, any

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better or worse.
Yeah, I mean, when you think

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about it, like Simon Pegg as
Benji in the Mission Impossible

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movies is great, like Simon Pegg
is a supporting actor, you know?

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Yes he has a few movies where
he's the lead but in general,

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he's not going to be Tom Cruise.
You know, as Ethan Hunt, he's

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going to be Simon Pegg as Benji.
The support guy who gives him

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Cool Tech stuff, right?
And so in my mind, I'm like, do

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you really want to put Morgan
Freeman as the Support Tech guy?

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You know, the Q to the James
Bond, right?

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It just feels weird to me.
Also a Morgan, Freeman's a great

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actor, but I'm still not 100%
convinced that he knows how to

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like turn on a computer
virtually have him to have him

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as like your Tech genius.
I'm like, hmm.

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Not 100% bought into this.
Yeah.

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But at the same time I'm like, I
guess if you're able to convince

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an actor of that caliber and you
know, just weight and gravity

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that Morgan Freeman has to play
a tech guy.

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That's just a supporting actor,
like go for it.

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I guess.
Absolutely, well, that takes us

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to the last of our supporting
characters, which would be

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Michael Caine as Alfred and
honestly, there's not enough

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great things.
I can say about Michael Caine as

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Alfred.
It's a role that in a lot of

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ways, I feel like he was born to
play.

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To play.
When you get to the third film,

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in this franchise, The Dark
Knight Rises, they really

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finally, give Alfred some
emotional payoff.

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And Michael, Caine has probably
the best scenes in that whole

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film.
I don't think they give him

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quite as much to do here, but he
still feels very vital to

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everything that's happening.
And he really does provide a lot

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of the underlying philosophy of
what you see on the screen.

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His story about, you know, the
the Bandit the jewel thief in

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Burma, you know, is a microcosm
for what Batman is.

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Spear Ian seeing and Alfred
really isn't a lot of ways, the

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heart and soul of this movie, a
long time ago, I was in Burma my

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friends and I were working for
the local government that were

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trying to buy the Loyalty of
tribal leaders by bribing them

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with precious stones.
But their Caravans have been

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raided in a forest not for
Franken by banding.

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So we went looking for the
stunts.

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But in six months we never met
anyone who traded with him.

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One day, I saw a child playing
the Ruby sighs the Tangerine,

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the bandits have been throwing
them away so I still bought

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because he thought it was good
sport because some men aren't

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looking for anything, logical
like money.

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They can't be bought bullied
reasoned or negotiated with some

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men.
Men just want to watch the world

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burn, you know, you just thought
about what's actually his story

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about the jewel thief and and in
Burma is a serious version of

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Christopher Walken and the gold
watch.

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Oh man, why should I want to see
The Dark Night with Christopher

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Walken as Alfred?
That's how pretty.

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So what did you think of Michael
Caine in the movie?

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I just want to know.
Is there anybody else in

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Hollywood?
That you would rather Have is

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your like real life Grandpa than
Michael Caine.

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No, absolutely not like he is
hands-down perfect.

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And like you said, the role of
Alfred is absolutely perfect.

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For Michael, Caine, he embodies
that role so perfectly that I

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don't even think of him.
As Michael Caine, like half the

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00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,200
time when I see him in real
life, I'm like, oh that's Alfred

449
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,900
like right, he's Batman's butler
and in a lot of ways.

450
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,100
Like that's okay.
Michael Caine has given us so

451
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,000
many different phenomenal.
Romances throughout the years

452
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:02,400
but this performance is Alfred
it, it really brings Humanity to

453
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Batman because without Alfred in
this movie, all you have is a

454
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,900
rich spoiled billionaire who
thinks that he can be a

455
00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:14,800
vigilante but because of Alfred,
you get the humanity and and it

456
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,900
would help if you've seen Batman
Begins because I think, I think

457
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:20,500
Michael Caine gives a phenomenal
performance in that movie as

458
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:24,500
well, you know, to kind of
ground Bruce Wayne and his

459
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,300
childhood.
But No man.

460
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,800
He brings so much Humanity to
Batman's character that you

461
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,300
desperately need and that leaves
us with, you know, the to lead

462
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,800
performance as in the movie,
which we would call Christian

463
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,900
Bale, as Batman and Heath Ledger
as the Joker, you know,

464
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:41,700
honestly, I don't really know
how much we need to talk about

465
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,900
Christian Bale's Batman.
People have gone back and forth

466
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,400
on it.
The voice is weird.

467
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,500
The voice is Gravely.
I get it.

468
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:50,500
I still think Christian Bale's
phenomenal in this movie, but at

469
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,200
the end of the day, we all know,
this is Heath, Ledger's film.

470
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,400
And when I watched it this time,
And Brad, I don't know if you've

471
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,300
seen the movie, but a lot of
people have I was really struck

472
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:04,300
by the parallels to The Silence
of the Lambs and how they deal

473
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:07,500
with the character of Hannibal
Lecter in that movie, this movie

474
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:11,200
has that same sort of like
foreboding sense of dread

475
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,700
throughout.
I really didn't know what the

476
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,700
Joker was going to do next and I
think Nolan was really praying

477
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:21,100
on our fears of terrorist
attacks with the joker but it

478
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,500
reminded me of how afraid I was
all the time about Hannibal

479
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,600
Lecter when I was watching The
Silence of the Lambs.

480
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Hams and in the same way, you
know, Hannibal lecter's only on

481
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,200
screen for like 20 minutes in
that movie and Heath, Ledger's

482
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,400
probably only on screen for
about 20-25 minutes in the Dark

483
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,400
Knight, but his presence is in
every single scene and I think

484
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,900
for me that's the mark of a just
a true classic performance

485
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:47,600
because you're thinking about
the Joker at every turn.

486
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,400
Yeah, you're never quite sure
when he's going to pop up next

487
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,900
and they do a great job in this
movie from the very beginning of

488
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:58,200
slow.
Slowly introducing hints of the

489
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Joker into the movie.
You know the judge is at the, at

490
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600
the hearing the opening, hearing
for all the criminals that they

491
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,700
booked with this sting and she's
flipping through her files and

492
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,900
there's a joker playing card in
the fire.

493
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,100
You know what I mean?
And so from the very start, you

494
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:17,600
get these little hints and
images of like, who the Joker is

495
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,600
and what he's going to do, the
opening scene of the movie is so

496
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,200
spectacular.
I'm surprised we haven't talked

497
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,700
about it yet because honestly
this might be one of the best

498
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,800
opening.
Of any movie ever.

499
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,400
Oh, it's such a great opening
sequence.

500
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,900
And again, you know, I talked a
little bit about how it reminded

501
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:36,000
me of Michael Mann's movie Heat,
it's set up as this really

502
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,700
gritty on the street, Heist
crime movie and it never really

503
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,000
Strays from that path.
It's not like they just hacked a

504
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800
heist on to the beginning of
this film.

505
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:49,000
Like, that's the vibe that Nolan
wants you to have throughout the

506
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,500
movie and that opening, it sets
up everything you need to know

507
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:56,400
about crime in Gotham about who
the Joker is about.

508
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,600
How little regard for human
life, he has and and kind of

509
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,500
what his Twisted mentality looks
like in practice.

510
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,200
Yeah.
And the cool thing is from the

511
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,400
very start, you kind of get this
picture of the Joker that he's

512
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,100
always in control.
Yep.

513
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,900
That he always knows everything
that's happening and that, you

514
00:27:12,908 --> 00:27:14,900
know, in a lot of ways.
And and the thing I love about

515
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,300
this is that the comic book nerd
in me that grew up in the 90s

516
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,500
watching, you know, the classic
Batman cartoon.

517
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:27,400
The Joker is a character who
puts on this facade, Of

518
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,000
carelessness and chaos, and
Anarchy and he promotes a

519
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,600
philosophy of Anarchy.
But in reality, he is one of the

520
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,600
most controlling person villains
that you can have knows exactly

521
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,500
how he wants things to go.
He knows exactly what buttons to

522
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,700
push to get people to do the
things that he wants them to do.

523
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,600
He's completely meticulous in
the way he plans, everything out

524
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000
and that's one of the things I
love about Nolan script is that

525
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:56,400
it allows the Joker to
contradict him.

526
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,300
Self knowing that it's not a
plot hole but it actually

527
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800
increases the sort of Mystique
behind the Joker.

528
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,900
You know, one of the best things
about his character in this

529
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,100
movie, is that at two different
points in the movie, he tells

530
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,300
two different stories about his
origin, about how he got his

531
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,400
scars and they're completely
different stories.

532
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,600
And the signal to the audience
is, wow, these are both probably

533
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,100
dies, but he knows exactly,
which story to tell in which

534
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,600
situation, you know, the one
about having a beautiful wife is

535
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200
the one that he tells to Harvey
Dent's girlfriend, he knows how

536
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,900
to get.
Get under people's skin.

537
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,000
So I had a wife.
Beautiful, I thank you.

538
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,900
Who tells me?
I worry too much hotels me.

539
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:43,100
I own a smile more he'll
Gamble's and gets in deep the

540
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:47,100
Sharks one day they carve her
face.

541
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,400
We have no life.
A surgeries can't take it.

542
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,800
I just want to see her smile.
Again, I just want her to know

543
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600
that.
I don't care about the scars.

544
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,700
So I stick a razor in my mouth
and do this.

545
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Myself and you know what?
She can't stand the sight of me

546
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,000
and it just makes him an even
more.

547
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Sort of skin crawling.
Lee creepy villain.

548
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Yeah that I think that's
probably the best description of

549
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,100
Heath.
Ledger's Joker is skin.

550
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:27,500
Crawling Lee creepy?
I mean he just gets underneath

551
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:31,700
you know your soul and just
resides there and he just pushes

552
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,800
all the buttons of gross - and
fear.

553
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,500
Here and you know, the video he
releases where he has the fake

554
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:41,600
Batman and he's like
interviewing him in a meat

555
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,700
locker.
Yeah.

556
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,700
Oh my gosh.
I remember when I was like I

557
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,900
don't know I would have been 17
or 18 watching this movie for

558
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,100
the very first time in theaters.
Like I just remember my skin.

559
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:58,200
Just just pitching with how like
with how fear-inducing that

560
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400
little video was well and I
think that gets to a really good

561
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,900
point Brad and we'll touch on
this after the break but I

562
00:30:03,908 --> 00:30:06,300
really struggle a lot.
With the violence in this movie.

563
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,900
This is a PG-13 movie, that many
people even today, would argue

564
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,300
should have been rated R.
And I think the fact that the

565
00:30:12,308 --> 00:30:15,900
violence is generally, bloodless
still shouldn't take away from

566
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,100
the fact that the violence in
this film is different than the

567
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,500
violence.
You see in a Marvel movie, you

568
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,100
know, in those movies of people
shooting lasers at each other

569
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:25,900
and things like that, and yes,
people die.

570
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,600
But the violence in this movie
is so brutal.

571
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,300
And so dark, and it just leaves
in a lot of ways.

572
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:36,900
It leaves me wondering like Like
how did a twelve-year-old get in

573
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:39,600
to see this movie in 2008?
You know what I mean?

574
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,900
Yeah.
I look at this kind of movie and

575
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,800
I think that the violence is
brutally psychological and

576
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600
that's what makes it so scary is
that you don't necessarily need

577
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,700
lots of blood.
But like when he slams that

578
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,700
dudes head down onto the pencil,
the pencil makes it disappear

579
00:30:55,900 --> 00:31:00,600
like that is just absolutely
terrifying.

580
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:03,600
Yeah like and it but the thing
is at the end of the day it's

581
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,500
effective because A word that I
never hear people use with this

582
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,200
movie is Scary, but if I'm being
honest, this was a scary movie

583
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,800
for me because the Joker is such
a well drawn out character and

584
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,800
he's so unpredictable that.
By the time, we got to the third

585
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Act of this film.
I was genuinely afraid of what

586
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,300
was going to happen next.
And I said this earlier but I

587
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:28,700
think Christopher Nolan was
really praying on our fears as

588
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:33,000
an American audience in the wake
of 9/11 and if we're being

589
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
honest about the Joker and he's
called this in Film.

590
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,300
He's a terrorist, he's
committing acts of Terror and so

591
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:39,600
we don't know what's going to
happen.

592
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,200
Is he going to blow up these
Bridges and tunnels like he's,

593
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,700
you know, promising to from the
very beginning of the film, we

594
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,900
see people getting shot and
killed in which is something we

595
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:51,000
don't typically see in superhero
movies and like you said The

596
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,900
Pencil Trick there's just so
many things that kind of

597
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,300
undermine our expectations of
what we're going to see in a

598
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:59,100
superhero movie.
That by the time, Rachel is

599
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,900
blown up in a building.
And then you see in the in the

600
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,300
police department, when the
Joker has Early.

601
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:09,400
Sown an explosive device into a
man's chest.

602
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,300
That reminded me of a movie like
David Fincher's, seven.

603
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,300
Like this was really, really
dark brutal stuff that you can

604
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:20,100
would not see in a PG-13 movie
and I still don't know how I

605
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:24,300
feel about it being rated PG-13,
but I can say that the violence

606
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:28,600
was effective 100%.
It was so effective in

607
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,200
communicating.
The fear that gripped Gotham

608
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,500
City over the The emergence of
the Joker.

609
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,500
Yeah, so there's more things I
want to talk about with the

610
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,700
Joker and his plot to, you know,
destroy Batman and so on and so

611
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,100
forth.
But in the end, I think we need

612
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:48,300
to drink some whiskey.
To continue talking about this

613
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,000
movie.
Bob, why don't we get into this

614
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Sazerac Rye?
Alright, so today we are

615
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,400
checking out Sazerac Rye.
This is also known in the

616
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,400
industry as babies as Sazerac
rise, really historic name.

617
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,600
If you ever heard of the
cocktail a Sazerac, that's where

618
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,900
this is, supposedly gets its
name from Sazerac is currently

619
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:15,500
being produced by Buffalo Trace.
It's called babies as because

620
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,800
this is the six-year version.
Buffalo Trace.

621
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,700
Every year releases a collection
called their antique collection,

622
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,700
which is five different kinds of
whiskey that will retail for

623
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,400
hundreds and hundreds of dollars
and there is a Sazerac.

624
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,900
That collection, that's 18,
years old.

625
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,400
But this is called baby-sized.
People love to pick it up as an

626
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,300
alternative to the really
expensive, kind it flies off

627
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:39,500
shelves, in the state of Ohio,
it only cost $25 but you will be

628
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,800
lucky to find it anywhere.
And in many states you're going

629
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,300
to have to pay double that
price.

630
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:47,300
At least to get your hands on a
bottle of babies as Brad if you

631
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,100
ever heard of this brand before.
Yeah, I have heard a Sazerac cry

632
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,000
and I'm actually really excited
to try this because I, you know,

633
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,600
I've heard the legend of how
fast it flies off shelves.

634
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:57,600
Elves.
So I'm excited.

635
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,300
We got our hands on some.
Yeah me too.

636
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,800
This was actually donated by one
of the professors at the

637
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,900
University.
I work with so dr.

638
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,000
Riemer thank you very much for
this bottle of Sazerac Rye.

639
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,199
Brad we've poured it out.
What do you think of the nose on

640
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,000
this bad boy?
Honestly, it has a really

641
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,300
Pleasant knows.
There's nothing offensive about

642
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,600
it.
You get that little hint to Rye,

643
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,199
it's not crazy strong.
I'd be curious to hear the mash

644
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:25,300
bill on this because I don't
feel like it's a very high R I

645
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,800
know and it's 90 proof.
I think we should say that.

646
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,100
You know, Brad used the word
inoffensive to describe the

647
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,699
nose.
I think that's a good word.

648
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,199
I also think I would probably
call it like unremarkable.

649
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,699
There's nothing on this that
really stands out to me as

650
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:39,400
unique.
It just kind of smells like a

651
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600
standard Rye.
What I am picking up though is

652
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,900
that it has a lot of bourbon
sort of character to it, which I

653
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:47,400
think is what you're getting at
Brad.

654
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400
It doesn't seem like a really
high why Mash bill.

655
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,300
There's a lot of oak on this and
then I'm getting some of that

656
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:58,500
classic bourbon vanilla and then
kind of on the back end of, you

657
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,600
know, inhaling it.
You get that pepper and spice

658
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,700
that you get both from Bourbon.
And from Rye, it has a really

659
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:07,400
spicy smell to me.
But other than that, I don't

660
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,600
know that it really stands out.
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a seven

661
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,500
on the nose.
Its pleasant.

662
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,900
It's nice.
It doesn't it doesn't hit you

663
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,600
too hard.
I like it.

664
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,800
Yeah.
I'm gonna give it a seven as

665
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,700
well.
So why don't we go ahead and

666
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,700
give it a sip?
Yeah.

667
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,100
That's not bad.
It's a little bit watery.

668
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,000
Yeah, it has the flavors you're
looking for but they're not like

669
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,200
crazy strong.
So there wasn't really much

670
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,100
going on here like on the front
of my tongue on the front of my

671
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:37,900
palate.
The, when I first sipped it,

672
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:40,700
you're right, it's very watery,
it's pretty thin.

673
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,400
There's not much going on in the
taste and in fact, the only

674
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,800
things I really picked up where
those kind of like saltier

675
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,900
saline notes.
I was kind of bummed out by the

676
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:51,500
fact that it tasted like that.
And then I went to swallow it

677
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,200
and right there on the end of
the East into the Finish is

678
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,200
where you really get a lot of
those spicy peppery notes that

679
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,600
you picked up on the nose.
So, this is, this is a hard one

680
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800
for me.
I think, I like the Finish more

681
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,700
than I like the taste.
And I only give the the taste

682
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,800
about a five.
I was about to say, I'm just

683
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,300
going to go ahead and score, the
tastes and finish together.

684
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,400
Uh-huh.
I would probably give it a 5 on

685
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,700
taste and a 6 on finish.
Yeah, I think I would do a five

686
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,500
and a seven.
So, so far, we're pretty much

687
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,000
spot on each other's estimate
here, in what we think.

688
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,700
Of this rye bread.
What would you give the overall

689
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,900
balance?
I'll give it a six and a half.

690
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:32,300
I think that the nose gives me
more than the taste and the

691
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,500
Finish does.
But overall it's pretty

692
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,200
well-balanced.
I mean the the term inoffensive

693
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,900
stands all the way through.
I mean even now a few seconds

694
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,800
after having drank it, it's
still sitting on my palette.

695
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,400
It's a nice pleasant taste.
But it's nothing strong.

696
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,400
Yeah.
The Finish lingers and it's a

697
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,000
really robust finish, but yeah,
it's unreal.

698
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Kabul and I'm kind of bummed
because I've heard so much about

699
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,600
how quickly this flies off
shelves.

700
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,100
It's not a bad ride by any
stretch of the imagination and I

701
00:37:01,107 --> 00:37:04,900
would be happy to have it on my
shelf, but certainly not at, you

702
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:08,400
know, anything more than retail.
So, for overall balance, I think

703
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,100
I'm just going to go ahead and
give it a 7.

704
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,000
All right?
So that brings us out to our

705
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,700
final category, which is value.
Now we've said in the state of

706
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:20,000
Ohio, this is 25 bucks.
But Brad, what do you think

707
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,500
about it?
Yeah, honestly $25 is a good

708
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,800
value.
You for a whiskey like this,

709
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,700
it's a good Pleasant whiskey.
I could see people who want to

710
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,800
introduce their friends to a rye
whiskey, giving them something

711
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,700
like this, we talked about
Bulleit Rye, a few weeks or

712
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,500
maybe a month or two ago.
And I would probably put this in

713
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,700
a similar category you know
bullet probably costs about

714
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,000
twenty two twenty, three
dollars.

715
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,200
So a few dollars cheaper.
But it's a good introductory

716
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,300
Rye, it's not going to hit you
crazy hard.

717
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,200
I'm going to go ahead and give
it a seven for the value.

718
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:53,700
I'm also going to give it a
Seven.

719
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Because I think that most of the
people listening to this podcast

720
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,200
are not going to be able to get
this bottle for $25.

721
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,700
And so, my recommendation would
be if it's any more than retail.

722
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,300
You don't need to buy it but the
fact is for a lot of you guys,

723
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:11,100
that's not an option.
So I do think it's worth trying,

724
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,900
you know, if you go to a bar and
they have it on the menu, I

725
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:16,700
would recommend tasting it when
it comes to buying a bottle,

726
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:18,700
it's really going to be
dependent on where you live in

727
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,900
the United States and what the
availability is.

728
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,900
So I'm just going to stick at a
seven and yeah, I think that's a

729
00:38:23,908 --> 00:38:29,900
fair score and that brings me
out for my total to a 31.5 and

730
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:34,300
that brings me out to a 33.
So for our final scores at

731
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:37,400
brings us out to a what would
that be thirty?

732
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Two point two five or a 64 and a
half out of 100.

733
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,100
Yeah which I think is a really
fair score.

734
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,300
I think so too.
This was a good Rye and I'm

735
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,200
really starting to realize the
variety of rye whiskey that

736
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,500
there is.
You know I was a guy that From

737
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,600
the beginning of this podcast
said, I don't really like Rye

738
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,500
that much, but I'm finding more
and more.

739
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,300
That it really just depends on
that Mash bill.

740
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:02,800
It depends on the age and it
just depends on your palate.

741
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600
And so, this is one that I would
probably actually choose this

742
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:08,300
over our Bulleit Rye, that we
tried, because it's a little

743
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:10,400
less harsh and I would recommend
it.

744
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,700
Yeah, I would recommend it to
and I would agree.

745
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:16,600
Bulleit Rye is a little bit
stronger with its Rai flavor.

746
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,700
Whereas this one is really
smooth.

747
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:20,300
I think that might be the
defining word.

748
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:23,000
I'm going to use is smooth.
It's a nice smooth ride.

749
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,300
Why?
So yeah, I would definitely

750
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:25,900
recommend Brad.
What do you say?

751
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,800
We keep sipping on this as we
get into the back half of our

752
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,000
show and finish talking about
the film, The Dark Knight.

753
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,200
So that was Sazerac Rye Brad and
I both recommended not a

754
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,700
terrible whiskey, not a great
whiskey but you know, definitely

755
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,200
something that if you're going
to spend $25 can be on yourself.

756
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,700
Yeah, it's a smooth easy sipper
so I would definitely recommend

757
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,200
it well for season two guys we
wanted to do something new and

758
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,500
add a couple different segments
into the podcast.

759
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,000
And the first one that we wanted
to try out is something that

760
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,300
we're going to call.
Hot takes hot takes coming at

761
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:10,800
you from filmin whiskey.
One of our favorite podcast that

762
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,400
we like to listen to Who is the
insanely popular show?

763
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,200
How did this get made, where
they review, really, really bad

764
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,200
movies.
And on that podcast, they have a

765
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:21,700
segment that they call second
opinions where they find Five

766
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,600
Star reviews.
That people gave to these

767
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,800
terrible, terrible movies.
And so we thought, why not flip

768
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,100
that concept on its head and so
what we did is we're taking

769
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,000
these Classic Movies on film and
whiskey, but we're going to

770
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,300
places like IMDb and Amazon and
we're finding one star reviews

771
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:38,800
that people gave to these
movies.

772
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,100
And boy.
Oh boy, Brad, did I I find some

773
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,500
really, really quality one star
reviews.

774
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Yeah, I'm really excited for
this segment.

775
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,100
I think it might be the best
addition to the film and whiskey

776
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:51,700
podcast.
Well, let's get into it because

777
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,200
I want to hear what you think of
these are first hot.

778
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,500
Take comes from an IMDb user
known as Tilly.

779
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:03,200
Go mess 92 and it's titled.
A disgrace of a movie I just saw

780
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,300
it.
This is the most horrible movie.

781
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:07,900
I have ever seen, please don't
waste your time.

782
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,300
The story makes no sense.
The characters are stiff like

783
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:17,900
Frozen cucumbers, the purpose
and motivations are completely

784
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,300
ridiculous.
This is a disgrace of a movie.

785
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,800
It's as if the director wanted
to create the anti Batman, oh my

786
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,700
God.
Oh, my Buddha wasted life, one

787
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,900
star.
Oh, My Buddha, huh.

788
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,500
I just love that that he was
covering all his bases.

789
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,100
Like, this movie would have
offended him in any religion.

790
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, who's to say what

791
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600
religion would actually accept
this disgrace of a movie?

792
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,400
Alright, our second hot take is
coming to us from manaan Kumar

793
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,900
1809 1996.
His review is titled.

794
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,100
Okay, too slow should have shot
some good daylight scenes acting

795
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:01,800
was good.
One star.

796
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,800
Wait, did he actually write the
words?

797
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,500
One star.
No, I've just his game just

798
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,800
concluding with the fact that he
gave it one star after saying

799
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,600
acting was good.
One star.

800
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,300
Yeah, I feel like that take was
just kind of like somebody

801
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,600
scribbled notes down while they
were watching the movie mellow

802
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:26,500
acting seems good, but overall
once done star, all right, we're

803
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,400
moving over to Amazon for our
third hot.

804
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,100
Take, this is from Tortuga, the
lows.

805
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,000
And it's titled violence with no
plot.

806
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,700
There is nothing.
Enticing, thrilling or

807
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:41,100
challenging about this plot.
It is all about the violence.

808
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,100
The explosions and more
violence.

809
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,400
Please entertain my human mind.
I'm inquisitive.

810
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,900
Not just my animal mind with
shiny lights and sounds.

811
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,800
Give me something to think.
To ponder, to desire to look up

812
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,800
to this movie is all a bunch of
modern smoke and mirrors.

813
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,700
That treats me like an idiot,
monkey.

814
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,800
I'm sorry, I wasted two hours on
it once.

815
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,100
Star one star.
Are you sure that Tommy was so

816
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:12,100
didn't write that review?
I'm pretty sure that if you read

817
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,500
that in Tommy was those voice,
its eleven times better do not

818
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:20,100
appeal to my animal mind, appeal
to my human mind.

819
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:27,800
You're tearing me apart Batman.
Yeah, I think that Tommy was so

820
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
has a role in this movie
Somewhere.

821
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:32,300
Actually, he did a video on
swear.

822
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,900
He did his audition for The
Joker if you ever seen it.

823
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:37,700
No, I need to see though.
As soon as we're done recording,

824
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:38,900
you got to go to YouTube and
look up.

825
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:41,000
Tommy was those joker?
I'm on it.

826
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,800
All right.
Our final hot take comes from

827
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,100
Radio GB.
And this review goes like this.

828
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:54,500
Not enough, nudity one star.
That's the whole review.

829
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,500
That's the entire review.
Yeah, that's it.

830
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,400
Well, we all know what kind of
movies he watches, right?

831
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Absolutely.
All right, so, that has been hot

832
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,200
takes.
Let's get back into talking

833
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,100
about the Dark Night Brad.
Yeah.

834
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,400
I think we need to talk about
how Aaron.

835
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,300
Eckhart was a frozen cucumber,
but not a naked Frozen,

836
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:15,100
cucumber.
No.

837
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,300
Well, clothed, it would have
been so much better if you'd

838
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,400
been a nude Frozen cucumber.
Oh man, that's brilliant.

839
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,200
And it actually, honestly, you
bringing those up, makes me feel

840
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,000
better about the frustrations
that I have with this movie

841
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,500
because it helps me understand
that I'm a normal human being

842
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,600
that can appreciate a movie for
what it is.

843
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,100
But also critique it on like a
normal intellectual level.

844
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:41,600
Like, I'm not a movie critic
ready?

845
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,400
I'm out.
I'm not on some Roger Ebert

846
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,600
level.
I'm just an average Joe that can

847
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,300
give an honest critique of a
movie.

848
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,300
Well, and that's what we
appreciate about you man.

849
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
And so I do want to get back.
Talking about this and I'm

850
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,100
really interested to hear you
said that you do have some

851
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,700
nitpicks with it.
So what sort of things stuck out

852
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:00,600
to you on this viewing Brad that
you had a problem with yeah,

853
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,200
honestly, like the cool thing
about the Joker is how

854
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,100
meticulous and well-planned he
is but there is something about

855
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:12,900
his final like big climactic
fight scene that just, I don't

856
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:15,800
know, it just didn't hit the
right notes for me.

857
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,700
I really struggled with him
hiding in this construction

858
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:23,200
Tower while he set to face.
Ferries to blow up and this

859
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,800
might not be fair of me, but I
think one of the reasons I

860
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,200
didn't like it is because as I
was watching it, I was thinking

861
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,000
to myself.
I'm like, man, we're at the

862
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,400
climax of the movie and there's
a ferry involved, and there has

863
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,100
to be a choice about who's going
to live or die.

864
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:41,400
And man, I feel like I've seen
this before.

865
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,500
Oh, wait.
I have seen it before from 2002

866
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,400
Spider-Man.
Like, do you think I'm crazy for

867
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,200
seeing like analogies between
Movie in this and I know they're

868
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,000
not the exact same situation,
but I really struggle because I

869
00:45:55,008 --> 00:45:58,300
was like, man, this is like a
very, very similar situation as

870
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,000
to another superhero movie.
I just saw six years ago, I

871
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,600
understand where you're getting
that from.

872
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,600
I obviously wasn't thinking
about it and I don't think it's

873
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,200
a bad comparison, but I do think
that what's going on in the Dark

874
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,800
Knight is a little more
complicated than that because

875
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,100
what the Joker's doing is he's
not giving Batman.

876
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,100
A decision of who to save, you
know, the way that the Green

877
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,000
Goblin is doing in Spider-Man
What?

878
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,600
I really love about that scene
is that the Joker has Batman

879
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,200
pinned and he's convinced that
people are like him and people

880
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,400
will give in to their darker
side.

881
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,000
When the chips are down and he
is going to make Batman watch

882
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,800
other people decide each other's
fate and basically say you are

883
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,500
powerless in the situation.
Yes.

884
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,200
And it shows that what the
Joker's doing is, he's trying to

885
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,900
crush Batman's spirit.
And what I love about that is,

886
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:50,900
you know, he tells Batman I
don't ever want to kill you.

887
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,500
You because you're too much fun
for me to be around.

888
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:59,100
He'd rather win in the sort of
emotional mental, psychological

889
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:04,000
way of crushing, Batman's belief
in humanity, and I think that

890
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,700
that's what I love about it is
that the stakes are so high.

891
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,100
And yet so small at the same
time because Batman is Gotham's

892
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:14,300
conscience.
And the Joker knows that if you

893
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:18,000
can destroy Gotham's conscience,
then everything's going to melt

894
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
down into Anarchy, which is what
he wants.

895
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,900
So all the Spider-Man stuff,
kind of put to the side.

896
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:27,700
I also just really struggled
with you know, the Joker's seen

897
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,500
of him being in the construction
building because like the

898
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:33,900
coolest thing about The Joker Is
that even though he uses other

899
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:37,800
people, you know, minions to
accomplish his means he doesn't

900
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,000
actually trust any of them and
he doesn't include them in the

901
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,300
plot to the point of the fact
that he kills them, you know,

902
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:46,200
the start of the movie as soon
as they outlive their

903
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,300
usefulness.
Whereas now here at the end of

904
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:52,500
the movie, all of a sudden, the
joke Soccer is like, using dogs

905
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,500
to protect himself, like the one
mobster was doing and he's using

906
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:59,700
a bunch of gangsters that are
dressed up like doctors to try

907
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:03,500
and kill the SWAT team.
And it just feels like he goes

908
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:08,100
from being this self-sufficient,
maniacal brilliant, genius,

909
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:12,400
criminal mastermind to just
another ho-hum criminal that you

910
00:48:12,408 --> 00:48:14,200
know, can't do his own work by
himself.

911
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,500
It just felt like a really weird
shift for me.

912
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:19,400
Well, I have other reasons that
I think that scene feels met,

913
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,600
but before I get, There.
I want to piggyback off the

914
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
point you're making because I
think this is a sign of how

915
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,600
brilliant the script is, you're
talking about how the Joker Goes

916
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,900
from, being a guy who really
only does rely on himself to by

917
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,400
the end of the film.
Essentially being no different

918
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,500
than the Mobsters, he was trying
to get rid of.

919
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:40,000
And I think that gets to the
fact that a lot of people in

920
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
this movie are hypocrites, and
Nolan doesn't just force feed it

921
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,000
to you.
He doesn't just call people

922
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,300
Hypocrites.
What he does is he lets each

923
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,800
character in this movie, come
I'm out and just say, boldly

924
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,000
what their philosophy is and he
leaves it up to the viewer to

925
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,300
decide whether they're full of
it or not.

926
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:00,300
And the way we do that is by
seeing whether or not they stick

927
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:01,800
to what they say, they believe
in.

928
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,800
And I think back to the
beginning of the movie, where

929
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Bruce Wayne sits at a dinner
table with Harvey Dent and Dent

930
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,600
starts talking about how, you
know, he loves democracy, and he

931
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,900
loves Doling out justice.
But then he also says, I really

932
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,800
like how in ancient Rome when
the city was under attack they

933
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,000
would Democracy.
And just a point, one person to

934
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,900
be the Crusader for everybody.
And what that tells you is that

935
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,100
Harvey Dent isn't necessarily
the White Knight that we think

936
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:33,200
he is because he's willing to
break the rules.

937
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,600
Even at this stage where he's
still a good guy and I think for

938
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,700
me that planted Little Seeds of
doubt in my mind about where

939
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,300
Harvey's character was going to
go and you see that come to

940
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,100
fruition when, you know,
something goes wrong in his life

941
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,600
and he completely snaps because
he's not a man that really

942
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,500
sticks to his principles.
And I think you see the same

943
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,000
thing with the Joker and the
only person in the film that

944
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,000
really stays consistent in what
they believe and what they will,

945
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,100
and will not do is Batman.
And I think that's that's the

946
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:05,100
sort of wonderful like interplay
that we get is that Gotham wants

947
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:08,400
the White Knight of Harvey Dent
and at the end of the film, they

948
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,300
decide that has to be the image
that they project because

949
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,700
Gotham's not ready for Batman
yet.

950
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,600
But the irony is Batman, is more
of a white knight than Harvey

951
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,500
Dent will ever be.
So I think, And I'm saying this

952
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:25,000
slightly facetiously but like
you're missing out on the true

953
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,400
White Knight of Gotham who is
Alfred the butler.

954
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Like, when you really think
about it, Michael Caine sticks,

955
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,600
to his guns and his principles,
throughout the movie, even when

956
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,800
it seems like, Batman might
compromise on his even though he

957
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,800
doesn't in the end.
Yeah, I think you're right, he

958
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,200
definitely is the support system
for Batman.

959
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:48,200
And I think it's funny because
Batman for being a guy that, you

960
00:50:48,207 --> 00:50:51,300
know, doesn't kill people.
He Definitely seems to kill

961
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:54,400
like, at least five people in
this movie and he so easily.

962
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,900
He throws at least eleven dogs
off of a skyscraper throughout.

963
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:01,100
That wasn't easy to those poor
dogs, you know, he's throwing

964
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:05,400
them down the the car ramp at
the start of the movie and down

965
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,400
a not built yet.
Elevator Shaft at the end of the

966
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,200
movie like those poor
Rottweilers.

967
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,400
What did they ever do to?
Well, they did bite him.

968
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:14,100
Yeah.
And for me, the thing that

969
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:18,000
really dragged that whole
sequence down, was this really

970
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,200
random subplot about
surveillance?

971
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:25,300
It's and using Sonar to, you
know, to find the Joker.

972
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,800
Yeah, that was a really weird
thing that like it makes sense

973
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,800
because in the end like I guess
maybe they were trying for this

974
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,700
thing where they're like, hey
bats have sonar we should give

975
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:41,800
Batman sonar but like looking
back on it that has not aged

976
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,700
well.
So what I think, I mean

977
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,000
obviously what was going on in
America that time was the

978
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,300
Patriot Act was still in full
effect and they're making a

979
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,200
commentary on that and I don't
so much.

980
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:53,200
CH mine that they did that but
it's so underdeveloped.

981
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,700
It just seems like all of a
sudden Batman has this obsessive

982
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:59,800
need to find the Joker that
wasn't really established at any

983
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,400
point prior and he just really
quickly.

984
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,800
And on the Fly gets access to
everyone's phones in Gotham and

985
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,500
makes this like Doomsday
Machine.

986
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,200
And so there's this really weird
ethics plot about is this

987
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,500
ethical for us to do this.
But for me, what really screws

988
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:19,900
the whole thing up is that it's
built into Batman suit and at

989
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:23,400
some Wait, when Batman goes into
that building to try to find the

990
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,100
Joker, you know, Lucius Fox
turns on this sonar and then

991
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:29,900
everything we see is this weird
blue Jump by.

992
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,900
Looks like he's in The Matrix
almost and it really pulled me

993
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,200
out of the movie because I
couldn't understand what was

994
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,800
going on.
You didn't really get a good

995
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,200
sense of the geography of the
building and it just was

996
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,400
disorienting and it really
screwed up.

997
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,400
What should have been a pretty
suspenseful fight scene?

998
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,800
Yeah, it just felt really poorly
done like that.

999
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Kind of Feels like one of those
things that might have gotten

1000
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,100
thrown in last minute, or it's
one of those things where in

1001
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,500
Christopher Nolan's head, it
looked really cool and he forced

1002
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:02,200
it into the movie even though
how it actually turned out was

1003
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,600
not that great.
So, another small and this is a

1004
00:53:05,607 --> 00:53:08,600
much smaller nitpick than the,
you know, the fairy scene and

1005
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,800
that final sonar weirdness.
But like, did you think it was

1006
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,500
weird at all that they really
played up the terrorism theme

1007
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,500
when like Batman is like
standing on the As if he was a

1008
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:25,500
firefighter on 9/11 standing on
the girder, you know, of the

1009
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,300
world, the rubble of the World
Trade Center, that's really

1010
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,200
interesting.
I don't think that I interpreted

1011
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,800
that so much as like this
patriotic, Nolan is a British

1012
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,300
guy, right?
I mean, he may be an American

1013
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:38,300
citizen at this point, but I
didn't take that so much as

1014
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:41,800
like, a rah-rah America thing.
I do think he was trying to like

1015
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,600
evoke images of 9/11 and I do
think that might be a little bit

1016
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,400
irresponsible because, like,
then, what is Man you know, like

1017
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,200
what role is Batman playing in
this metaphor that you're trying

1018
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,300
to design about 9/11 but yeah, I
think you're right.

1019
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,100
It's a really weird sort of out
of place shot in the movie.

1020
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,100
And it probably would have been
better without it.

1021
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,500
Yeah, I think what I'm realizing
as I've watched this movie, this

1022
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:10,300
is probably my sixth or seventh
watch of this movie, and I'm

1023
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:16,100
starting to realize that a solid
80 to 85 percent of this movie,

1024
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:20,100
is a 10/10, like, it hits on so
many different levels.

1025
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,600
It induces fear and anxiety, and
you don't know what the Joker's

1026
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,400
going to do at any given moment,
but there's some stuff in the

1027
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,900
movie that the movie could just
honestly do without.

1028
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,100
And I really think that, you
know, this movie has a two hour

1029
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:38,300
and 32 minute run time.
I really think that if you cut

1030
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,500
out about 15 minutes of this
movie, and you finished at like

1031
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:48,000
to 1:45 20, this movie could be
pretty much a perfect movie.

1032
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,800
But unfortunately, I think, I
think that Christopher Nolan

1033
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:58,100
starts grabbing it too many plot
straws if you will and you see

1034
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:03,100
the seeds of the bad movie, that
will come out as The Dark Knight

1035
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,200
Rises.
So here's the thing Brad and it

1036
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
kind of segues us into our final
analysis and our final thoughts

1037
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,300
on the movie, there are parts of
this movie that hold up.

1038
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:15,900
So, well, I mean, it's only been
11 years since the movie came

1039
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:17,500
out.
So it's not like it's super

1040
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,700
outdated, but I think when this
film came out, It was so

1041
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,200
revolutionary.
It was so unlike anything that

1042
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,600
we'd seen that, no one was
willing or able to find fault

1043
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,900
with it.
And now I go back and I think

1044
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:32,900
like there's two or three really
great action sequences in this

1045
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:34,800
movie.
I think the underground chase

1046
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,700
scene is just spectacular but
then, like we said, there's the

1047
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,400
climactic action sequence in the
building and its really,

1048
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,100
terribly done, if we're being
honest.

1049
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,600
And so, I'm really struggling
with how to evaluate this movie

1050
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,900
because I do think it's a Great
movie.

1051
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:55,100
But I also wonder sometimes like
when I've seen a movie as many

1052
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,600
times as I've seen The Dark
Knight and I love a movie as

1053
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,800
much as I love The Dark Knight.
Am I just trying to find things

1054
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,600
to nitpick or is this actually a
movie that has a few more flaws

1055
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,100
than we just wanted to admit ten
years ago?

1056
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Yeah, I don't think it's a bad
thing at all to recognize that

1057
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,200
there's some faults.
In this movie, there's some fat

1058
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,000
on the movie that needs to be
trimmed off.

1059
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,000
And it's interesting because,
you know, when I watch the

1060
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,900
original Batman of this, Gee
Batman Begins, that movie is

1061
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:27,200
extremely tightly wound.
It moves quickly from scene to

1062
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,100
scene, and you don't have all
these extraneous, you know, plot

1063
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:35,200
lines that you need to follow.
And so, unfortunately, I think

1064
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,900
you see how this movie leads you
to the Dark Knight Rises where

1065
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:42,400
there's just so much going on,
that it ends up being a pretty

1066
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:45,400
bad movie because of everything
that's happening.

1067
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,400
And so while I definitely like
the Dark Knight, more than

1068
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,100
Batman Begins, and I think the
Dark Knight Is a better movie

1069
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,900
than Batman Begins?
I think the Batman Begins had

1070
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:56,900
some elements that probably
should have stayed in the second

1071
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:58,200
movie.
Yeah.

1072
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,300
I definitely still prefer this
one to the dark, or to Batman

1073
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,000
Begins.
Just because this one has more

1074
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,900
to say, and I feel like, Batman
Begins is just a pretty standard

1075
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:08,600
like origin story.
One of the things I've also

1076
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,300
found myself really struggling.
With this time around is, how

1077
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:16,200
much am I holding the Dark
Knight responsible for all of

1078
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,800
the crappy?
Quote-unquote, dark movies that

1079
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,100
came out after it.
Because it was so influential,

1080
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:26,100
and I felt like, movie studios
really misread what the public

1081
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,400
loved about this movie, and they
just thought they needed to make

1082
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,800
everything gritty and dark.
And for a long time, now we've

1083
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,600
been stuck in this rut of like
the gritty dark superhero movie

1084
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,200
and even the MCU movies that are
kind of lighter, fare, you know.

1085
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,100
I actually just watched another
DC movie the other day.

1086
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,800
I watched Shazam.
And that movie was kind of a

1087
00:57:46,808 --> 00:57:49,500
mess because part of it, was
this really happy go.

1088
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:53,000
Lucky, Why you know, story about
a 13 year old who becomes a

1089
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,700
superhero?
And then the other part of it

1090
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:57,300
was like about these demons that
would eat people's heads off.

1091
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,600
And it was just weird.
It was this weird jumble of

1092
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,800
like, does everything have to be
dark now and, you know, I don't

1093
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,500
think we should blame the dark
night for that, but at the end

1094
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:11,400
of the day, if it wasn't for
this movie being so successful.

1095
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:13,400
I don't think we'd have all
these crappy.

1096
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Rip offs that we have either.
Well, yeah, and even on top of

1097
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:22,300
that, not only like bad, not
very Rip offs, but even certain

1098
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,200
things in media have been ripped
off that are done really.

1099
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,100
Well maybe would have been
better if they weren't direct

1100
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,500
ripoffs of, you know, the Dark
Knight.

1101
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,100
And what I'm thinking of is the
TV shows Sherlock.

1102
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,800
And Bob, you are the one who
first pointed this out to me

1103
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:41,300
that, you know, the character of
Moriarty in Sherlock is in a lot

1104
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:45,400
of thematic ways.
A pretty clothes, rip off of the

1105
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Joker, you know, performed by
Heath Ledger.

1106
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,000
And so I look at that and I go
was His performance was

1107
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,000
Moriarty.
Amazing.

1108
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,900
Yes was Sherlock.
One of the best TV shows I've

1109
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:57,500
ever watched.
Yes, was it dark and gritty and

1110
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:58,700
real?
Yes.

1111
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:01,600
But could, they have gone a
different Direction with their

1112
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,400
main big villain?
Moriarty than to make him this

1113
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,700
Anarchist, psychotic criminal
mastermind.

1114
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,400
They probably could have and it
might have been better off

1115
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,200
because of it.
Yeah, I think that's a really

1116
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,500
good point.
I didn't even think about how

1117
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,300
the Dark Knight may have
influenced that TV show, but you

1118
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:19,200
can see the footprints are are
the Fingerprints of this movie

1119
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,200
everywhere?
And I mean it even in a

1120
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,500
roundabout way changed the
course of Oscar history.

1121
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:29,700
This movie won two Oscars for
Heath Ledger as best supporting

1122
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:33,900
actor and it won for best sound
editing, but it was nominated

1123
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,200
for six more.
But they were all in, what we

1124
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,800
would call the technical
categories.

1125
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,400
It was, you know, cinematography
sound mixing, things like that

1126
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,000
visual effects, and it was
pretty conspicuously not

1127
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,500
nominated for best picture.
Now it was super highly regarded

1128
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:50,700
by critics.
It was obviously loved by

1129
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:52,300
audiences.
It was the highest grossing

1130
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:55,300
movie of 2008.
The next closest movie was Iron

1131
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,900
Man and it made like 200 million
dollars less.

1132
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,700
This was a runaway smash that
changed the course of Cinema

1133
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:05,400
history and yet it didn't get
nominated for best picture and

1134
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,100
what the academy did as a result
instead of nominating a movie.

1135
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,500
Every once in a while that is a
cultural Touchstone.

1136
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,900
What they decided was know.
What we need to do is just

1137
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:19,700
nominate more movies every year
and so their response to the

1138
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:22,300
Dark Knight.
Being snubbed was to then,

1139
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:26,100
expand the field of Best Picture
nominees from 5 to 10.

1140
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,300
But what they've ended up doing
is basically, they still don't

1141
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,100
nominate the movies.
People go to see, they just

1142
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,700
nominate five more movies.
That no one has ever heard of.

1143
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:37,800
And I think that's, that's part
of the problem with how the

1144
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,400
academy has responded to The
Dark Knight is they, you know,

1145
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,600
in theory?
Yes.

1146
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,800
You can put more quote, unquote,
popcorn movies on that list.

1147
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,700
Now of Best Picture nominees,
but there's only been one

1148
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,900
superhero movie.
That's got Mated and that was

1149
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:53,800
Black Panther and so I don't
think they've solved the

1150
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,500
problem, but it is really
interesting to see how the

1151
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:59,800
backlash from The Dark Knight
has changed things even up to

1152
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,100
the level of the Oscars.
But yeah, it is interesting to

1153
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:07,200
look back and see how a movie
like The Dark Knight can change

1154
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,400
the way that the academy does
things, even if it doesn't

1155
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,300
actually change the end results
of what the academy choose rice.

1156
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,100
We all know it was the best film
of 2008.

1157
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:20,200
Well, what did, when best
picture that?

1158
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:23,100
Year, that was the year.
I believe that Slumdog

1159
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:26,500
Millionaire won best picture.
Oh, I mean, that was a pretty

1160
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:28,000
good movie.
That's a good movie.

1161
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,100
You know, whatever.
I'd still think it should be the

1162
01:01:30,107 --> 01:01:31,900
Dark Knight.
Yeah, yeah.

1163
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:35,500
I mean, I don't think Slumdog
Millionaire deserves the best

1164
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:37,200
picture over Dark Knight, but
whatever.

1165
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,700
Well, Brad, I think we've said
about everything there is to say

1166
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:42,300
about this movie.
You know, it's been such a huge

1167
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:46,100
part of our lives and I'm
anxious to see what your score

1168
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:48,200
would be for this film.
And would you recommend it?

1169
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,100
This is an extremely hard,
right?

1170
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,700
Thing for me, because in a lot
of different ways, I think that

1171
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:58,400
this movie deserves a 10/10 even
with the flaws that we talked

1172
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,300
about and the struggles that I
have with it, I just, I don't

1173
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,700
know, but I also want to give it
a nine and a half because of all

1174
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:08,300
the flaws that we talked about
how to Bob.

1175
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:11,100
This is tough.
I this is a really hard.

1176
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:13,400
This might be one of the hardest
scores I've had to give out.

1177
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:15,800
Well, can I jump in then?
Yeah, go right ahead.

1178
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,000
I'm in the exact same place you
are.

1179
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,900
And, you know, I feel like every
time That I come down on the

1180
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:25,800
more critical side when I'm
debating between two scores.

1181
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,400
I feel like a snob you know and
I think that if you had asked me

1182
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,800
when I was 18, like is this a 10
out of 10?

1183
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,400
I would have no.
Hesitation said yes, right?

1184
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,700
I do think with, you know, a
decade plus of distance between

1185
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:41,600
me and the time this movie came
out that there are elements of

1186
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,800
this movie that could be better.
And there are elements of this

1187
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,200
movie that I think even other
superhero movies have taken and

1188
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,100
improved on.
So it's not a perfect film.

1189
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,400
Umm, and at the end of the day,
I think I am going to give this

1190
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,000
movie a nine and a half and I'm
okay with that because it's one

1191
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,500
of the most famous, most
popular, most beloved movies

1192
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:02,200
ever, made me, giving it a 9 and
a half is not going to really

1193
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,900
change anyone's opinion on it,
or make it less watched.

1194
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,700
We all know and we all love the
dark night and I think giving it

1195
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:13,900
a 9.5 or like a 95.
Out of 100 is not taking

1196
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:16,900
anything away from it.
It's still a phenomenal movie.

1197
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,600
It deserves to be seen and
watched and reviewed and Apart

1198
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,500
forever.
Yeah, this and this is one of

1199
01:03:22,508 --> 01:03:25,800
those situations where like we
are limited by the constraints

1200
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,300
that we put on ourselves, but I
would imagine that if we did a

1201
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:32,600
full, you know, 100 scale.
You might give this like a 97 or

1202
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,500
98 out of 100.
Sure.

1203
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,500
But we are limited by the
constraints we've made for

1204
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,500
ourselves.
So we go by .5 increments and

1205
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,600
I'm going to give this movie a
10 out of 10, all right?

1206
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,500
Yeah.
I I just I keep coming back to

1207
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:50,500
it and I just keep thinking to
myself, man, this movie He has

1208
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:54,900
too many good things for the few
bad things to keep me from

1209
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:57,300
saying this is a, this is a
10/10.

1210
01:03:57,300 --> 01:03:59,800
It's a truly great movie and
Brad, I'm glad you gave it a 10

1211
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,400
because I think you're right,
you balanced it out to the point

1212
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200
where I think we'd both be
comfortable seeing this movie at

1213
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,800
a 97 and a half.
Yes.

1214
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,000
Because he's the hero Gotham
deserves but not the one it

1215
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,400
needs right now, so we'll hunt
him.

1216
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:27,400
Because he can take it.
Because he's not a hero.

1217
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:40,100
He's a silent guardian and
watchful protector.

1218
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,300
Well, there you have it, folks.
We both recommend.

1219
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:49,300
We both give it incredibly high
scores.

1220
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,700
If you haven't seen the Dark
Knight.

1221
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:52,800
First of all, where have you
been living under a rock?

1222
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,200
For the last 10 years?
Yeah.

1223
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,900
Are you one of those reviewers
that wasn't wrote one of those

1224
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:58,800
stupid reviews?
Not enough.

1225
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,500
Nudity one out of ten or you
could give us a call on our call

1226
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:04,100
in line.
Leave us a voicemail we'd love

1227
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:05,700
to play it interact with it on
air.

1228
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,000
Our number is two one, six eight
hundred five nine, two, three

1229
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:14,000
once again, that number is two
one six eight hundred five nine

1230
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,600
two three.
We want you guys to tune in this

1231
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,000
Thursday, we have a special
bonus episode with Josh Larson,

1232
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,200
host of the insanely popular
podcast film spotting.

1233
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,700
He's going to be joining us to
talk about his book movies, our

1234
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:30,800
prayers and we have a whole list
of questions to ask him as well.

1235
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,400
Brad.
I'm so excited to do this

1236
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,800
interview.
Yeah, this interview is going to

1237
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,300
be fantastic.
Josh is such an amazing guy and

1238
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:42,200
we're so excited to bring him to
film and whiskey Nation.

1239
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,700
Next Monday, we'll be back with
another regular episode.

1240
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,800
It's going to Halloween special.
We're bringing in our regular

1241
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,700
guest host, gentle hours.
And we're going to be looking at

1242
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:56,300
Ridley, Scott's 1979, classic
alien for the film and whiskey

1243
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:58,200
podcast.
I'm Bob book, I am Brad.

1244
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:59,600
She will see you next time.