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1957 director, David lean and

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A lengthy examination of the
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We try as supposed whiskey that

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may or may not have any honor.
The film is The Bridge on the

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River.
Kwai the whiskey is Jameson,

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cold brew and we'll review them
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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Just
welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Where each week, we review a

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classic movie and a glass of
whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and
this week we are continuing our

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mini-series from the director.
Lean with his 1957 best picture

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winning epic, The Bridge on the
River.

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Kwai.
Hmm.

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What would you call this an
epic?

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Yeah, I was just going to say
coming off of Lawrence of Arabia

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where that movie I think truly
encapsulate the word epic.

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This feels like a straight
popcorn movie and yet it's I

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mean it's really not.
I think it kind of straddles.

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The line between Lawrence of
Arabia and like the Great Escape

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I kept thinking of the Great
Escape as we watch this movie

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and this is A much more artfully
made film than the Great Escape.

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I think there's there's very
clearly like so much more

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thought and effort put into each
and every shot in this movie.

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It's every bit as beautiful as
Lawrence of Arabia without being

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as ponderous.
I don't.

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And I don't mean that in like a
to say, Lawrence of Arabia was

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boring.
But Lawrence of Arabia, gave

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itself.
Lots of time to breathe,

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whereas, this movie is like,
almost as tightly constructed as

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Could be.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I mean, really if he wanted to

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make this more like Lawrence of
Arabia, he just needed about an

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hour of extra footage of them
like traipsing Through the

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Jungle.
Yeah.

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And that would have got, you
know, captured the essence of

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Lawrence, a little more deeply.
I think.

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I think there needs to be
camels.

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But yeah.
There any like floating down the

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river when they were like
setting the charges at the end,

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they just need to be floating on
the backs of camels instead of

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yeah.
Yeah, I think we're going to be

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comparing this movie to Lawrence
a lot today because I mean,

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obviously, it's the movie that
we just came off of it, is David

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lean's most famous movie and
this one, I think kind of gets

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the shaft a little bit, if I'm
being honest, because everyone,

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fawns over Lawrence of Arabia
and this movie is seen as not

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as.
I don't know what the word it

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not as artistic, you know what I
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Like this is a movie and Lords
Of Arabia is a film.

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You know what I mean?
And I don't know how to explain

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the Difference between the two
but I understand where people

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are coming from.
But I also think that that

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really glosses over just what an
artistic achievement this movie

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is.
Yeah, Scorsese would be fawning

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over Lawrence over bridge.
I'm sure.

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All right, man, we'll look, why
don't we jump right into Brad

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explains?
This is the part of the podcast,

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where Brad breaks down the film
that he has just seen often for

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the first time we want to say,
if you are a first-time

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listener.
To the podcast, welcome in.

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We haven't really explained the
premise of the show in a while

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Brad.
But this thing started because

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I'm a huge movie nerd and Brad
is one of my best friends and we

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fell in love with whiskey when
we were both living in Kentucky.

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And we found that as we drank
more whiskey, it became much

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more fun, to discuss movies.
And over the course of many,

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many Whiskey's we discovered
that Brad had not seen a ton of

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classic movies or movies that at
least I had deemed Classic

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Movies.
That's an important distinction.

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So we It off with a list that I
made of about 100, 150 movies

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that I thought Brad should see.
I still don't think this is like

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400.
I was gonna say, I still don't

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think we've gotten through all
those movies, because we've been

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inserting other things that we
wanted to watch, and I finally

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let Brad pick a couple movies
for some reason.

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But here we are today, arriving
at The Bridge on the River Kwai

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Brad.
Had you seen this movie prior to

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this watch through?
I was going to say this was a

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classic that I had seen, Robert.
I remember I'm watching this as

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a probably a young teenager like
13, 14 years old, with my dad at

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some point and I was so excited
to watch this again.

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And there's a lot of films I saw
in that tie in my age period of,

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you know, 13 to 16 that I don't
really remember that.

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Well, this is one that I was
like, I feel like I remember a

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lot of this movie, but I could
be wrong.

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And I wasn't, they went to put
him in the hot box and I like

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vividly.
Lee.

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Remember the officers like
straining to look out and see

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what the medical officer was
talking to Alec, get us about

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and I really remember the the,
the characters would go in to

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blow up the bridge and then like
looking up through the the

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trusses of the bridge at the
Japanese guards.

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And there's so many shots from
this movie that are just

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gorgeous and stuck with me even,
you know, having not seen the

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movie in almost 20 years.
Well, that's really exciting and

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I have things to say, but I
don't want to step all over.

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Brad explains here.
So as we get into Brad explains,

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we're putting 60 seconds on the
clock for you to break down the

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plot of this movie.
Brad, you have one minute and go

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British prisoners of War.
During World War Two are forced

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to build a bridge.
Rail a Railway Bridge, Over the

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River Kwai by their Japanese
captors.

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They find themselves.
Eggs in a little bit of trouble.

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When the colonel colonel Saito
forces, the officers to work

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breaking the Geneva Convention.
However, they have a British

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officer named Nicholson who
stands up for them and refuses

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to allow his officers to work.
Eventually he has his way and

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goes about building the best dag
on bridge that the Japanese have

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ever seen unbeknownst to him.
One of the prisoners who escaped

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is recruited by British Special
Services to blow up the bridge.

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They just completed.
There you go and suspense in

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Sue's.
Yeah yeah dude, the final

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sequence.
Oh my gosh, it's Sotelo.

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And they like he does such a
great job of setting up the

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geography of like the one guy's
going to stay up top and he's

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got a mortar and the other three
are going to go down and set the

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charges.
And it said I'm underwater.

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So nobody sees them.
And then he's going to be over

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there on this side of the river.
And you're going to be over by

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those trees.
And and he just does such an

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excellent job of showing.
Showing you like this is the

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stage upon which I will, you
know, pull your emotional heart

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strings and then he does it,
man.

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It's like terrifyingly
suspenseful.

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Yeah, man, this movie is really
tense, really suspenseful and

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it's just a masterful job by
David lean.

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I want to go back to what you
were saying a minute ago just

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about watching this movie as a
kid and this being a classic in

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your household.
I feel like in 2022.

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This Occupies a really
interesting space where it has a

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ton of reviews on IMDb.
Like if you go look at how many

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people have rated it, it's
really up there.

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And so it kind of seems like
this is a film that everyone has

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seen at some point.
I know that it definitely has

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the vibe of one of those
Saturday afternoon, right.

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After a John, Wayne movie
completes on AMC, they're going

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to throw this on and it's 18
hours long with commercials and

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so, it feels like tons of people
have seen this movie. and yet I

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never hear anybody talk about it
anymore because it's maybe it's

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just gotten to the age now where
it's not could, you know, top of

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mind when people talk about war
movies or action suspense films,

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and it's also not considered a
quote-unquote artistic film to

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the extent, that Lawrence of
Arabia is and so it also doesn't

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get discussed enough in film
circles and I feel like for

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being a movie that everyone
appears to have seen, this

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doesn't have a lot of traction,
any More.

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So it's I don't really know how
to approach it today.

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Brad, do you think that a
sizable portion of our audience

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has seen this movie, or do you
think we're probably talking to

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a lot of people who have never
seen it?

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Oh man, I honestly don't know
the answer to that question.

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I feel like it's a movie that
people have probably seen, but

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they haven't really just sat
down to watch it.

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Like, I think that a lot of
people are in the category where

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you said, like, Yeah, it was on
the TV, so I kind of like

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skimmed it while I was doing
other stuff but I don't know if

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I sat down and watched the whole
thing and I will say this is a

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movie that rewards paying
attention to it.

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Hmm.
Yeah.

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I mean, it's not a difficult
movie to understand and I

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honestly like when I turned it
on I remember it being a long

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movie.
And so I saw two hours and forty

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something minutes and I was
like, all right, I'm going to

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strap myself in it's a full hour
shorter than Lords Of Arabia.

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So it felt like a breeze.
It really did feel so much

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better dude.
But I have Say like, even though

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I think this movie probably
could have shed a few scenes and

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been even tighter than it is, it
never felt super long to me.

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Like it didn't really drag at
any point and by the time it got

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to the end I thought like yeah,
I totally get why I was 2 hours

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and 41 minutes or whatever.
The runtime is, it didn't feel

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over long.
It didn't feel bloated and I

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think it's a credit to David
lean and to the editing of this

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film just how much it moves.
Yeah.

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The pacing of this film is
really incredible.

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You'll what, especially when you
consider how long it is?

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Like, you hit over two and a
half hours in you're getting

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into serious movie territory,
right?

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And to consider that there's no
moment of this film.

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That really feels like it's
dragging.

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I do think that if they cut,
maybe I think I said to you

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earlier, like, 8 to 12 minutes
like naughty, not even like 15,

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20, 25 minutes like just about
10 minutes from the film, just a

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few little pieces here and
there.

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I think this might be a perfect
film, but as it is the, the

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action keeps you rolling.
And and the, the beautiful thing

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about the film is, it's not
typical war movie action, it's

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not the Great Escape, they're
trying to hide their tunnels

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from the German guards.
Like, it's the tension between

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the different viewpoints of the
Japanese of the British of the

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alternating, British sides that
you feel completely engulfed.

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In this conflict between like do
we do things well with honor or

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do we seditious Lee try to
sabotage the enemy and I just

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think it's incredible.
Well and I think the Brilliance

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of this movie is that the place
that It ultimately arrives at is

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that these things that seem to
be opposed to each other

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ultimately lead to the exact
same fate or the same end.

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The, you know, there's this word
that Brad you and I learned in

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college and in seminary from the
Greek, the word is Telos.

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And it's like, what is the the
End of something.

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What is the goal towards which
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What's the result of it?
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last lines of this movie are
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questioning, Alec Guinness has
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he sees the Carnage that's been,
you know, rot and just looks

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around and says madness madness.
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movie and it really does a great
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characters who you And all of
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don't understand themselves that
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come from diametrically opposed
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it all ultimately leads to the
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Like it leads to the same place
which is like what was this all

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for, everyone's dead.
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thing with honor and it's been
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thing up and in doing so we lost
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human life.
Like what is Point of all of

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this, I think ultimately it is
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into talking about this a little
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But last week, I also talked
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lean was really interrogating,
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with Lawrence of Arabia and he
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So again here with this movie,
well, in the fascinating thing

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to me is we might not be used to
this in 2022.

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America nearly nearly 2023 Bob,
that's crazy.

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You're almost there.
He uses an American Ian to point

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out the flaws in the system, the
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I, I mean, I think he does it
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well, but William, Holden's
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truly the entire movie is, like,
you guys are all crazy, like,

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there's no point to this.
I like I'm in this to save my

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own skin and, you know, he kind
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the end and trying to accomplish
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But it's interesting to me that
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too kind of question the whole
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So I was looking after I watched
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I thought would capture my
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this movie are and I found a
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And in this review, they talked
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characters who all kind of
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I don't want to say delusions of
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three Mad Men of the film.
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Saito.
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camp and he is, I guess the most
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Deranged of the three.
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at the camp and also in how
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the concepts.
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Face and living in an honor and
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something accomplished and
realizing that you can't.

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And even though the bridge gets
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as a man.
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and so he has more Shame about
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Even though the thing he wanted
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second person that they call,
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Guinness has character of
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most interesting character in
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into performances here in just a
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But, you know, Guinness wins an
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it's absolutely deserved.
He is just phenomenal in this

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movie and I think the majority
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out the intricacies of this
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around his character because it
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interesting one to parse out.
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Hawkins who comes in, kind of in
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he's the one that leads this
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into the jungle to blow up the
bridge and Hawkins.

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You know, I didn't think of at
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you watch the movie, you move,
the more you start to parse out

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these themes.
The more you realize that he is

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as deranged about what his
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As a laginas character is like
he gets to the point where at

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the end of the movie when he
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character and the young kid
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up might end up getting
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He decides to just take them all
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his justification for it.
At the end of the movie is to

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turn around to the people.
Other with him and who are

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horrified at what he just did by
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And saying, like, I had to do
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They could have get, they could
have gotten taken alive, and he

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doesn't understand that.
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like it's worse for him to give
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actually physically kill these
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And again, like it just
ultimately All Points back to

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the futility of everything.
They're trying to do in this

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movie.
Yeah, and and the fascinating

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thing is that he's pointing out
how Japan and Britain are both

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honor, shame cultures, that,
that both of these cultures

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Place Honor on such a pedestal
that it cost them everything in

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the end, it cost them their
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And the only people that really
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who question it and make their
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is, right in the world rather
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Define what is good or evil for
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I just realized that I was
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the whole time.
His name's Warden, but he's

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played by Jack Hawkins.
And so, to cover up my own faux

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pas, Brad, let's jump into
performances and let's start

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with Jack Hawkins because he's
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Now, he would not normally be
the first person that I would

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talk about in performances,
because he's like, the fourth

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lead of the movie.
But I thought he did a pretty

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good job in this movie.
I think my biggest Frustration

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with his character is kind of
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represents because once William
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escape from the prisoner of war
camp and ends up at this sort of

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like special forces, training
camp, / Utopia, that wardens

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character runs.
I think the movie goes off track

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for quite a long time.
And it's because first of all, I

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really like Jack Hawkins.
As in this movie, I really like,

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William Holden this movie.
William Holden is a movie star,

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but I don't know if he's a great
actor and the best acting that

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is happening in this movie is
happening inside the prisoner of

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war camp with Alec Guinness.
And I wanted to spend so much

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more time.
Trying to figure out Alec

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Guinness is psyche that the more
time I had to watch William

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Holden and Jack Hawkins in a
room, talking about stuff.

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The more I started to get
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Yeah it almost felt like a
Christopher Nolan movie trying

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to In time travel.
Like they're literally just

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sitting there talking about this
plan and why they have to do it

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and Holden's explaining how he
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And and well, you see, we're in
quite a delicate little pickle

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here shears and we need you to
do this for us and it just goes

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on and on and on and I would
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That is the one point of this
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have trimmed it up a little bit,
cut a few scenes or they could

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have just cut back.
Back to what was going on in the

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prisoner of war camp.
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To Pace that section A little
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But it really feels like in
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two hour and 45 minute movie,
you spend almost like 30 minutes

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in the middle of the film
completely away from the action,

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if you will, and it really
bogged down the the middle

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section of this movie.
Well, especially because the

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first like hour hour and 15
minutes of the movie, are this

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Psychological battle of wills
between Alec Guinness has

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character and Saito and you know
culminating in Saito finally

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capitulating and saying, all
right, we're not going to make

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the officers work and everybody
cheers.

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Now again it's gets to come out
of the hot box and then you

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know, almost immediately, they
staged this outbreak and or

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break out, I guess I should say
not outbreak but you know, they

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break out and then some guys are
killed they regroup a little bit

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and then Boom.
You're out of the prisoner of

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war camp and you're in the
jungle and eventually on a beach

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with William Holden now and it
becomes a movie about a movie

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star.
And it feels much more Hollywood

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and is not to say that like this
doesn't have Hollywood all over

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it this movie, but it felt like
I was watching.

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You know, the the beach makeout
scene from From Here to Eternity

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or it felt like I had been
plopped into a more kind of like

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rah rah.
Don't take it as seriously.

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American picture and not the
like British psychological

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battle of wills and a prisoner
of war camp that I've been

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watching for 75 minutes.
Well, and that kind of takes us

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into hold in a little bit more.
You already tipped your hand a

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little bit.
Bob by saying he's a movie star.

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Not an actor, which isn't a rude
thing to say about anybody, but

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I'm sure he won't mind.
What do you think about Holden's

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performance in this film?
I mean, I didn't say he's not an

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actor, I just don't know if he
is as good of an actor is, Alec

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Guinness.
Enos, which is not an insult.

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This is, I believe only our
second William Holden movie on

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the podcast.
We will have more, especially if

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we get around to movies like
Sunset Boulevard.

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But the movie that I think is,
is most akin to.

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This is a movie, he made a few
years before called Stalag 17.

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It was a billy Wilder movie.
It's a great movie, but it's

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also a prisoner of war movie.
And William Holden is like, the

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hero in that movie.
And, you know, he's I don't know

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how else to say it.
Brad like he Kind of the epitome

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of he's a movie star, he's a guy
that is made to have a gravelly

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voice and probably drinks a
little too much off screen and

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has a hell of a tan and has his
shirt off all the time, and

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that's what he does.
You know what I mean?

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And then you've got Alec
Guinness who's over here, like,

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freaking Olivier.
Like he just acting his ass off

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and I think that the difference
between the two is so Stark.

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And, you know, it works really
well to balance the movie out

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but the Um, is that there, isn't
that sort of interplay between

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them, or even like an inner
cutting between their scenes to

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your point, like, it's just very
much like you get airlifted out

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of the PO p.o.w. camp and put
into William Holden story where

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he's just like canoodling on a
beach for a half hour and I

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think to, you know, to that
extent, it just didn't work for

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me.
It still fascinates me though.

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This is kind of an aside to look
at the body type of oh yeah,

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famous hot movie stars.
The 50s.

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And now what they ask their
actors to do, like when I think

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about the transformation of
Chris Pratt from Andy Dwyer to

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Star-Lord, I'm like, it's wild
what people have to do to be a

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movie star nowadays, compared to
the Humphrey.

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Bogart's Gregory pecks and
William Holden's of the world.

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Alright, so here's my biggest
thing, with William Holden is

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that he's always asked in in
most of his very famous movies.

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At least, to give some sort of
grandstanding speech or

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monologue where he is like, the,
the moral compass of the movie

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and we saw it in the end of
Grapes of Wrath type of kind of,

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or like the end of network,
right?

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Which he was in which, where he
like, looks directly at Faye

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Dunaway and gives this whole
speech about how she is like,

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the embodiment of television and
in walks out, dude, how good of

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a movie is network?
Is so good, but even though, And

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even then with William Holden
he's the kind of guy where it's

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like it's kind of like what we
talked about with Sorkin and

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Demi Moore, you know what I
mean?

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Where it's like, oh this, you're
a really good.

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Conduit for me to hear a human
being say Aaron sorkin's words,

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but I don't believe what you're
saying with William Holden.

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It just always seems like you
are delivering a line that you

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memorized, but it never feels
authentic.

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Yeah, it doesn't always feel
like lived.

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In.
Like I'm thinking about some of

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the things I've seen about,
Robert De Niro in some of his

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early films, mmm?
Okay.

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And the way, the directors
talked about him was like, when

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he was on set acting like he
just embodied the character that

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he truly was living in their
shoes.

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And I just don't always get that
feel with William Holden and he

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gives a good performance and he
is what they need him to be, but

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he's just too much of a
distraction.

445
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:26,200
I'm the things that we really
want to sit with in this movie

446
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,100
but I think that's a really good
segue into talking about Alec

447
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:33,800
Guinness and I have been
terrified for the last two weeks

448
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000
that I am going to slip up and
say Alec Baldwin.

449
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:39,700
And so I need you to guide me
feel much the same actor, you

450
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,300
know, they're like exactly the
same.

451
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,100
I'm really glad that we have
done this miniseries because

452
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,500
Alec Guinness has been in a
number of classic British films,

453
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,000
which we may or may not ever get
around to watching, but movies

454
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,200
like The Lavender Hill mob.
And kind hearts and coronets

455
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,500
and, you know, like movies that
are famous in Britain that

456
00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,000
Americans have never heard of.
But at this point, he was

457
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,700
already like, one of the most
revered actors in Britain, and

458
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,900
we had only discussed him in the
context of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

459
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,100
And I'm really, really glad that
we are doing something with him.

460
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:15,600
That is outside of the realm of
Star Wars because he is such a

461
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,800
compelling actor, and I will
say, like, between last week in

462
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,200
Lawrence of Arabia where I
thought he gave me.

463
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,900
Best performance outside of Omar
Sharif to this movie where he is

464
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,900
hands down, the best performance
in the movie.

465
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,400
It's really been a joy to
revisit a couple films with Alec

466
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Guinness in a major role.
He's incredible Bob.

467
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Yeah, like there's there's just
that I don't know if it's a

468
00:26:39,808 --> 00:26:43,900
Trope or something that people
just say of like British actors

469
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,500
are better because they're you
know classically trained or the

470
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,400
theatre trained if you will.
And I feel like I hear that

471
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,200
often enough but in an Actor,
like Alec Guinness, it makes

472
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,100
sense.
The the way he comports himself

473
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,600
with such dignity, regardless of
the situation, the way he

474
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,800
delivers his lines with such
assured - and sincerity.

475
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,100
Some of the my favorite scenes
of the movie are when he is

476
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:17,100
talking to the medic, who's
constantly questioning him and

477
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:22,200
the way he shuts down the medic
with just so much self.

478
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,400
Righteousness and like he he
knows what is right and he's

479
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,500
like, oh well you haven't been
in the Army long enough.

480
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,800
You don't understand how these
things work.

481
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,900
Like war is more than just these
one things and we need to build

482
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,800
this for the local community.
And yet at the end of the movie,

483
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,600
when he's delivering that speech
about wondering, if his life is

484
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,900
actually meant anything, and if
he's been able to have a

485
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:53,700
meaningful impact on the world
around him, you You understand

486
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:58,100
why he's doing what he's doing.
He's he's no longer acting as a

487
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:02,300
British officer.
He's acting as an individual who

488
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,700
wants to be a somebody in the
world.

489
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,700
And at the very last moment, he
realizes like, what the heck did

490
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:12,800
I do.
Like I completely lost sight of

491
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,200
everything and that moment of
realization is just everything.

492
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,700
Yeah, I mean it's such a layered
character too and I think that's

493
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,700
what's really great about it and
Apparently you know, David lean

494
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,300
and Alec Guinness did not get
along on the set of this movie

495
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,200
because David lean wanted him to
be much more expressive in his

496
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,500
performance and kind of blow up
at certain points at people and

497
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,400
Alec Guinness.
Basically said hey that's not

498
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,600
how I act and be.
I'm not going to do that and

499
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,300
they fought a lot about it.
And Alec Guinness was right

500
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,500
because he plays the sort of
like Cool, and calm.

501
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,900
And yet he is completely
delusional.

502
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,400
And I think that makes for an
even more compelling, delusional

503
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,100
character, because he's not
coming across as a Madman, he's

504
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,800
not coming across as someone who
has lost his mind, whether or

505
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
not he's lost his mind.
I think is Up For Debate, but I

506
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,300
think in his own mind, he's very
logical about like, Hey, we're

507
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,200
going to be here anyway.
We're going to be forced to

508
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,100
build this bridge.
We might as well do it the

509
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:12,000
British way.
We might as well say, hey,

510
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,000
regardless of the The
circumstances we do not half-ass

511
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,300
anything because that's not what
Britain's do.

512
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,100
And when people cross this
bridge 600 years from now

513
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,000
they're going to say dammit the
britons built that and we like,

514
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:24,900
you know what I mean?
And you kind of understand where

515
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,500
he's coming from and completely
ignoring the fact that at the

516
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,800
end of the day he is aiding and
abetting the enemy and they are

517
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,800
going to use that Aid to kill
more of his countrymen and you

518
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,900
know like the the logic and the
honor side of him out ways, I

519
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:44,600
kind of wanted to say the lat
Got ways the logic if that makes

520
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,900
sense.
But like it outweighs common

521
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:50,300
sense.
And so I love that he plays it,

522
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,000
not as somebody who has lost his
grip on reality, so much as he

523
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,900
has become diluted with his own
impressions of propriety and

524
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:05,500
what, what the proper thing to
do is, well, I mean, it's a Miss

525
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:12,000
ordered affection, Right?
Like, he, he is Desiring, a set

526
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,900
of out.
Outcomes that does not line up

527
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,100
with his job, with his
profession, with being a part of

528
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:24,500
the British Army.
And, and yet that's the

529
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,000
beautiful part of his
performance is his ability to

530
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,300
calmly.
Communicate his point of view.

531
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:37,000
Even as we the audience played
by the medical officer, mostly

532
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,200
are going scratching, our Chin's
going like, well, I can't

533
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:49,200
disagree with your calm logic,
but it doesn't feel right and I,

534
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000
it feels fishy to me, and but
I'm not going to question you

535
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,700
because you're the, you know,
you're in charge here and no,

536
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:58,000
man.
It's just such a great

537
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,300
performance.
Well, and it's one of those

538
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,600
movies where once you finish it,
and you understand, Like the

539
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
root cause of his delusions and
what it all leads to you.

540
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,100
Go back and watch it again and
it's all there right from the

541
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,300
beginning, like him digging his
heels.

542
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,900
In about not making British
officers, work is liking you

543
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:17,600
know well I don't mean to
question you.

544
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,100
My good man but the Geneva
Convention, if you need a copy

545
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,300
provided I have a copy right
here and he's like doing this

546
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,900
like very high society level of
negotiation and ultimately like

547
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,100
you know he gets out of the hot
box and he wins his battle of

548
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,600
Will's in the mental, cheer for
him.

549
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,700
But then you come to think about
what was that?

550
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:38,700
Actually, a good move on.
The part of someone who's a

551
00:31:38,708 --> 00:31:43,100
commanding officer that you dug
your heels in and made your men

552
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:47,100
have to work twice as hard
because you were being stubborn

553
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,000
about the Geneva Convention,
right?

554
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,500
Mmm.
And then he has this this scene

555
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,700
where William Holden's talking
to him about breaking out and he

556
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,700
says, you know, we're not going
to break out like the Brits are

557
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:59,200
not going to do that.
And everyone's like what the

558
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,100
hell you talking about?
Like it's our duty as British.

559
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,400
To try to sabotage the enemy.
And if we have a means of escape

560
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,400
to try to take it and he said
well, we were ordered to

561
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,400
surrender.
And so for us to escape May mean

562
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,900
that we're actually breaking our
own orders and therefore

563
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:17,300
breaking the law and the idea of
breaking, the letter of the law

564
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
is.
So abhorrent to him that like

565
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,500
that's what's driving him, not
common sense.

566
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,500
And so you see it in his
character from the very, very

567
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,800
beginning.
And I think you don't, you know,

568
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000
like the British officers in the
movie, you don't question it at

569
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,400
first until it, Just stops
making sense completely.

570
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,100
Yeah, man.
For me, the the point where I

571
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,600
realized that he was crazy was
when he made his officers work,

572
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,200
mmm.
Like, that's the moment where

573
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,200
you're like, oh, he wasn't ever
really fighting for his

574
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,600
officers.
He was fighting for his own

575
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,300
vision of how things should be
done.

576
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,200
Yeah.
And now that his own vision of

577
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
how things should be done,
include his officers working,

578
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,800
he's totally fine with having
his officers worry about that.

579
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,600
I think that that's like, The
sign of someone who's unstable

580
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,400
who State their desires of how
they want to be treated and how

581
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,100
people should be treated and how
they think the world should work

582
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:15,500
and then they flip all those
things on a dime.

583
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,500
As soon as it doesn't fit their
needs anymore.

584
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,100
And I think that's that's like
the key element of someone who

585
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,400
is unstable.
Well, and that's the brilliant

586
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,900
thing about the depiction of the
Japanese officers of the camp to

587
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,800
here.
And I do want to touch on the

588
00:33:29,808 --> 00:33:32,600
actor.
Sessue hayakawa who plays Saito

589
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,300
because I think he's phenomenal
and I guess in real life David

590
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,700
lean said that he thought that
he was started.

591
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,200
The actor was starting to have
some form of dementia and he

592
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,800
didn't remember a lot of the
English that he'd apparently

593
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,100
learned earlier in his career as
an actor.

594
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200
And so he only really studied
the pages of the script that he

595
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,300
had to memorize lines for.
And so even in the scene where

596
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,500
he gets killed, at the end of
the movie where he gets stabbed

597
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,600
to death.
David lean said, he just kind of

598
00:33:58,608 --> 00:34:02,100
like stood there blankly because
he didn't read that page.

599
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,700
The script because you didn't
only lines and so like,

600
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,500
honestly, forgetting that much
crap from David lean, I really

601
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,800
thought his performance was
excellent.

602
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,199
It was super layered.
It really did a great job of

603
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,400
hammering home.
This idea of shame in the in

604
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,800
that culture.
And I also think that, you know,

605
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,199
last week before I had watched
the movie, I, I mentioned that

606
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,100
David lean was incriminating or
interrogating, I guess the

607
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,500
British sensibility in this
movie by the fact that that the

608
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:38,100
Japanese basically Gaslight the
the British officers into

609
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,000
building the bridge under their
own accord and use their own

610
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,500
britishness against them.
And that's not actually what

611
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,800
happens in this movie at all?
Like by the time Alec Guinness

612
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,199
kind of takes up the mantle and
goes off into his own delusions.

613
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,000
You realize that Saito is
completely defeated and he takes

614
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,900
no joy in what's going on and he
just kind of turns the reins

615
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:01,100
over to the Brits to like let
them construct the bridge and

616
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,700
he's like a shell.
Of himself at that point.

617
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,100
And I think it's again, it gets
back to this idea of The Madness

618
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,600
of war that ultimately Saito
gets everything he wanted at the

619
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,200
beginning of the movie, but he
is now.

620
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,500
So clouded over with the shame
of it all.

621
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,700
And the fact that he didn't do
it the way he was supposed to

622
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,400
get it done.
That he also takes no enjoyment

623
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,700
in it.
Yeah.

624
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,800
It's an incredible performance.
I thought it was most

625
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,100
fascinating to watch the battle
of wills between the two of them

626
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,400
and the moment where the tables
turn and Alec Guinness.

627
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,900
Realizes he has the power and it
feels like it's when he has him

628
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:45,000
over for dinner.
And the moment Saito starts

629
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,600
showing anger.
It's like, Alec Guinness knows,

630
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,300
he's one.
Yeah, he's like my politeness

631
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,600
has one out because you are
getting angry and if you are

632
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,300
showing Emotion.
That means you've lost and at

633
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,700
that little piece of acting in
that scene between the two of

634
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:07,100
them which is just a really
simple scene of the two of them

635
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,800
having a dinner together Saito
thinking, he has the upper hand

636
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,800
but betraying himself eventually
and Alec Guinness basically

637
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,600
offers him the solution, which
site so takes which emasculates

638
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,300
him.
Yeah.

639
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,100
And it's just, I mean, that's a
point where I think that the

640
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,500
script and The acting work
together.

641
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:30,500
So perfectly to display the
psychological warfare.

642
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,000
Well, in the brilliant thing
about that scene to first of

643
00:36:33,008 --> 00:36:35,800
all, it's the way that they use
like the utensils and everything

644
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,400
else on the table, you know,
Saito thinks he's going to get

645
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,400
in his head by drinking scotch
and eating corn beef and Alec

646
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,800
Guinness says, I don't want any
and the pour Scotch for him and

647
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Alec Guinness.
Won't drink it because he

648
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
literally just came out of
torture and as soon as Alec

649
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Guinness is like I have the
upper hand, he starts pounding,

650
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,300
the scotch dude, he's like he's
like I got it now but I I think

651
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,400
the thing about that scene and
it really is the hinge point of

652
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,100
the movie is that you think that
the two were going to kind of

653
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,300
take opposite trajectories
right.

654
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,800
That we've seen saito's rise and
now we're going to see his fall

655
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,400
and we saw the downfall of Alec
Guinness and now we're going to

656
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,900
see him rise and it's not that
at all.

657
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,000
It's just that like Alec
Guinness is going to follow the

658
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,800
exact same trajectory.
It's just delayed by a couple

659
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,200
hours.
You know what I mean?

660
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,900
Like yeah you see him get the
upper hand and then immediately.

661
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,600
The in his own hubris.
He starts to put together this

662
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
plan for like the British way of
doing it.

663
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,900
Now that he's one.
He's like, all right, I'm going

664
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:36,600
to build this bridge now because
I I'm doing it my way, not

665
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
realizing he's still doing
exactly what he was never

666
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,500
supposed to do.
So, yeah, man, we could go on

667
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,400
talking about this forever, but
we need to drink some whiskey.

668
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,500
So, what do you say?
We hit pause here?

669
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,400
Let's try this Jameson.
Cold brew, what do you say?

670
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Let's get to it.
Alright.

671
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Today we are checking out
Jameson cold brew.

672
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,500
Now Brad this was a sample that
was sent to us by a listener way

673
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:06,400
back in like season 2 or season
3.

674
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
We've been hanging onto the
sample forever and it's kind of

675
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,100
because we've been hemming and
hawing about whether or not to

676
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:19,800
actually feature it on the show
because it is not technically A

677
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600
whiskey for whiskey purists.
I'll say that.

678
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,000
Like I don't know if I would
consider this a flavored

679
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,700
whiskey, but we had something
similar to this a while.

680
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:31,200
Back from the few company out of
Chicago, they had a product

681
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,500
called cold cut where they
brought their bourbon nouns.

682
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,000
A proof with cold brew coffee,
and this is kind of similar.

683
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,300
I don't think they're actually
proving this down with coffee

684
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:43,400
but they're in, you know, in
their words infusing Jameson

685
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,900
with arabica beans.
And so it produces what is

686
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,500
essentially a liquor if I'm
being Honest.

687
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,800
Like it's I don't want to call
it a flavored whiskey but it's

688
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,600
also only 30 percent ABV.
So it's 60 proof.

689
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,700
It doesn't really reach the
80-proof level that we would

690
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,700
designate whiskey whiskey as so,
this is kind of a first for us

691
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,500
on the film and whiskey podcast,
like we've had a couple flavored

692
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,200
whiskies before but we've always
done them on bonus episodes but

693
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,700
I'll say this.
Like when I go to the liquor

694
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,700
store and I go to the Irish
whiskey section, they've got

695
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,100
this next to Jameson on the
Shelf so it's like it.

696
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,500
In the liquor store, it's not
over with like the mixers and

697
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,000
the after all, and all that
stuff.

698
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,400
So I don't know man.
What do you call?

699
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,500
This, is this a whiskey.
Is this a liquor?

700
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Like where we going with this?
I'm just going to say that it's

701
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,500
not very good so you've had it
already.

702
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,900
I sure have Bob, okay, I tried
it just before we hit record.

703
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,600
I have a slightly different
opinion than you, but I felt

704
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,800
like it was necessary for us to
at least preface the review by

705
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,800
saying I'm gonna do %.
We're gonna review it as if it

706
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,700
is a whiskey.
But at the end of the day it's

707
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,200
it's more akin to like Fireball
than it is to regular Jameson.

708
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:03,000
Yeah.
And and I'll point this out on

709
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,200
the, on my notes as well.
This tastes a lot like coffee

710
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,900
with a tiny bit of whiskey in
it.

711
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,300
And the problem that I have with
this whiskey is mostly the fact

712
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,700
that I know what kind of coffee
I like, and I don't like this

713
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:20,900
call.
It tastes like it tastes like

714
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:23,800
Maxwell House or like foliage.
Like it tastes like coffee that

715
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,500
comes in a tin.
Exactly.

716
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,500
And so that like, that is the
biggest frustration if they made

717
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:36,100
this and it had a better coffee
flavor to it, I would probably

718
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,700
like it.
So that is the struggle I have

719
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,800
with this.
It doesn't really taste like an

720
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Irish coffee.
Like it doesn't taste like

721
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,500
coffee liqueur or like like a
cream, you know, like An Irish

722
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,000
Cream.
The get tastes like coffee.

723
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
That is just slightly
artificially sweetened so it has

724
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
that kind of coffee syrup
flavor.

725
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,600
It's really hard to explain.
Let's dive in man.

726
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,700
So I pour this out, into my
Glencairn on the nose of this.

727
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:11,500
It doesn't smell like coffee.
It smells kind of musty and

728
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:16,800
after a while, I settled on it,
smells like if you took decaf

729
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,900
coffee, that comes in a can and
Pre-ground.

730
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Hmm, opened it and left the lid
off of it for like three days.

731
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,300
Like there's like all of the
potency of ground coffee is gone

732
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,200
out of this.
And all of the little bits of

733
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,000
decaf coffee, that smell like
wet cardboard.

734
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,500
That's what stayed behind.
And like, just the faintest

735
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:45,700
memory of coffee, a memory of
coffee, it's a painting by

736
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,900
Robert book.
Look right of ground coffee.

737
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,100
Oh, man.
Yeah, for me, on the nose.

738
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,800
It initially smelled like nail
polish remover.

739
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,700
Ooh, which gets me really
excited about my whiskey?

740
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:04,600
I was just super jazzed.
Eventually, it kind of came out

741
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,000
to like, a super dark roast
coffee.

742
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,400
And I literally just wrote this.
I like coffee, but I don't like

743
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,900
this.
I give it a 4 out of 10 on the

744
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,100
nose Bob.
Yeah, I was thinking about

745
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,400
giving it a five I gave.
A 6 out of 10 because it's not,

746
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
it wasn't that bad to me.
I didn't get nail polish remover

747
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,400
at all, which is a good thing.
So I'm at a 6 when it gets to

748
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,700
The Taste, I actually thought
the taste was quite nice, like

749
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,900
I'm going to be pretty far off
from you on this one.

750
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,700
Brad, I think except that it's
all coffee.

751
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,200
No whiskey.
Well, I guess there's just the

752
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,900
slightest little alcohol burn on
the end of this.

753
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:45,500
It's like if you like if you
went out to a really cheap

754
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:48,100
restaurant like an Applebee's or
something and ask them for like

755
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,400
a rum and coke, And they gave
you like an ounce or a half

756
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,100
ounce of rum and then filled,
like the whole pint glass up

757
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,100
with Coke after that.
And you just barely get a wisp

758
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,200
of rum.
That's kind of how this is to

759
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,300
me.
Like it tastes like really

760
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:11,100
strong fake coffee syrup.
Mixed with really bad Folgers

761
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,200
coffee.
Hmm.

762
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,700
And like, just a touch of
alcohol in the end.

763
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,200
Yeah, now here's the night.
Here's the thing.

764
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,700
Like I still don't think it's
bad, it's not as cloyingly sweet

765
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:24,700
as something like Fireball or a
lot of these flavored Whiskey's.

766
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,500
We've had I think it's
definitely more simple bowl and

767
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:29,900
it probably mixes really well
with a lot of things, and I

768
00:43:29,908 --> 00:43:33,000
think it probably would dilute.
Well, it wouldn't taste just

769
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,700
like straight artificial
sweetener.

770
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,700
So, based on that curve, I'm
gonna give it a six and a half

771
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,000
on the taste.
But again, like we're not

772
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,000
judging this based on like it's
whiskey characteristics, right?

773
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,400
And that's the hard thing.
It's a difficult one to score

774
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,900
for.
Me, I came out to a 5 out of 10

775
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:53,900
on the flavor.
It just tastes like coffee.

776
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,400
That was brewed about four or
five hours ago.

777
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:01,100
Mmm, like it's lost its potency,
the dark notes have overtaken,

778
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,200
any sort of flavor that should
have been there, and there's a

779
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,100
hint of whiskey on the end.
It's not bad but it's not

780
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,300
enjoyable for me.
So, you know, 5 out of 10 and

781
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:16,700
the finish for me is where this
really struggles the most mostly

782
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:19,000
because it tastes like the
finish of a cough.

783
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,400
That was brewed for five hours
ago, that is to say bitter and

784
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,000
unfulfilling.
Yeah, I mean, this is not a

785
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,500
complex drink like that.
The notes are the same

786
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,400
throughout and I guess they, we
can, we can attribute that to

787
00:44:36,408 --> 00:44:38,900
the balance here, but on the
finish, I just wrote.

788
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:40,900
The Finish is black coffee, but
cheap.

789
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,500
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
I gave it a six and a half.

790
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,600
Listen, I've had many, many,
many cups of coffee coffee in my

791
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600
life and this is like, a
slightly more pleasant version

792
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,600
of that.
Yeah, I gave it a 3 out of 10 on

793
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,500
the finish.
So you really hated this.

794
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,600
I was not a fan.
Huh?

795
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,800
Yeah, I didn't mind it that
much.

796
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:02,100
It's definitely nowhere.
Like the few cold cut is leagues

797
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,600
better than this.
Yes.

798
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,900
But I also feel like the few
cold cut is a whiskey and I feel

799
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,100
like this is a cordial.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

800
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,800
No, 100%.
I mean, I gave it a 7 on balance

801
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:18,200
I did because it is the same
experience throughout.

802
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,900
It's not complex, it's not
enjoyable.

803
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:24,000
That's why I didn't get anything
higher but like they knocked it

804
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,200
out of the park and giving you
the experience of coffee.

805
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Mmm.
Yeah.

806
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,200
And so, you know, I gave it a
seven as well and that brings us

807
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,600
to the value of this thing,
which, you know, I think we're

808
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,800
going to have to judge it
against both, the Whiskey's that

809
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,800
it sits next to on the shelf and
the Liquors and cordials that it

810
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,900
sits across the aisle from.
So what does this retail for in

811
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,400
the state of Ohio bread?
$28.99.

812
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,700
Yeah, that's too much if this
was $18, I'd be like cool, mmm.

813
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,600
You know?
I mean like this cost is pretty

814
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,700
much as much as a bottle of
Jameson, which is Is outrageous

815
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,400
like by Jameson and if you want
to add coffee to, it had coffee

816
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,600
to it.
Like what are you?

817
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,200
What are you doing?
$28.

818
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:06,400
Yeah this is a 3 out of 10 on
value.

819
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:10,300
Yeah I give it a four like if
you know what you're getting

820
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:17,000
into like sure go for it.
But yeah, I came to a 23 out of

821
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,300
50 Bob, where were you at?
I'm going to 29 out of 50 so.

822
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,100
So that brings us to a fifty two
out of a hundred or a 26 out of

823
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,100
50.
I think it goes without saying

824
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:30,700
neither of us are going to
recommend this.

825
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,800
I actually don't mind it for
what it is.

826
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,800
It sounds like Brad does mind it
for what it is, but men.

827
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Yeah, but this is not again, I,
you know, we're not trying to be

828
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,000
like whiskey snobs or whiskey
purists here, but this is not

829
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,500
really a whiskey.
I would have to venture to say

830
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,000
that.
I think that there's probably

831
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,400
something artificial in here.
I don't really see anything

832
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,300
about that online.
So maybe it's just a note that

833
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,200
I'm getting, but it definitely
tastes.

834
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Like they've sweeten this a
little bit.

835
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,100
And you know, what?
If they have cool like it, Don't

836
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,800
make a cool mix drink but it
feels more like we're reviewing

837
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,900
a bottle of Kahlua than than
we're reviewing a whiskey this

838
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,200
week.
Yeah, I was going to say this is

839
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,000
definitely not me being a
whiskey snob.

840
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,400
It is me being a coffee snob and
I'm okay with that.

841
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,500
All right, man, so we're not
recommending Jameson cold brew

842
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,600
but we are recommending Bridge
on the River.

843
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Kwai.
So why don't we get back into

844
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,300
talking about this movie?
I am excited to get away from

845
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:35,100
this whiskey Bob.
All right, everybody, that was

846
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,100
Jameson.
Cold brew a whiskey.

847
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:39,500
That wasn't a whiskey, but was
kind of a whiskey that tasted,

848
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:44,500
like, coffee, boom, boom, two
facts in a falsehood, is much

849
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:47,300
better than Jameson cold brew.
So, how about we do that Bob?

850
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:48,700
Yeah.
Why don't you explain to the

851
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:50,700
listeners Brad?
What is two facts in a

852
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,300
falsehood?
And why am I so good at it?

853
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,300
This is Canada's favorite
segment Bob.

854
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,500
It's where I try to lie to you
and you have to pick out my lie,

855
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,500
the LIE is related to the movie
that we just watched, you get

856
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:11,400
two facts about the movie as
drawn from the IMDb trivia page.

857
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,300
Assuming that those are all
true.

858
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:17,300
Yeah, important important note.
Yes, 100%.

859
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:23,300
If those are lies than I like I
will take the L there so far.

860
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:26,600
It seems like we've done pretty
good with the truths and then I

861
00:48:26,607 --> 00:48:31,100
just make up a lie which Is kind
of hard to do surprisingly.

862
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,600
All right, so Brad has three
items for me.

863
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,600
One of which is a falsehood, why
don't you reveal your three

864
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,200
tidbits?
Fact, number one, sir, Laurence

865
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,800
Olivier was offered the part of
Colonel Nicholson, but turned it

866
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,200
down in order to direct The
Prince and the showgirl instead.

867
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,100
Fax number to Thailand was
originally chosen as the

868
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,700
location for the shoot but the
country was pressured by the

869
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,600
USSR against allowing the film
to be shot.

870
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,600
They're forcing Horizon pictures
to find another country which

871
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,000
ended up being Sri Lanka.
Fax number 3 for the scenes

872
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,400
where Holden and Hawkins and
Horn were waiting through the

873
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,700
swamp.
They were waiting through

874
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:22,000
specially created one's the real
swamps in Sri Lanka were deemed

875
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,600
to be too.
Dangerous.

876
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:27,000
Hmm.
Interesting.

877
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,200
All right.
I'm pretty sure.

878
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,600
Number two is a truth.
I know they shot in Sri Lanka so

879
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,100
I'm gonna go ahead and assume
that the earlier part of that

880
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,800
fact is also true.
Number three is interesting to

881
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,400
me, I know they spent like, 250
shooting days on this movie in

882
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,700
the jungle and that lien was a
really huge perfectionist.

883
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:50,400
And would wait on shots to
develop at just the right time.

884
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,200
So I do have a hard time
thinking that he would specially

885
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,600
create things for this movie,
unless it was absolutely

886
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,100
necessary.
Terry fact, number one is also

887
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,700
an interesting because I
mentioned Olivier earlier in the

888
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:06,600
episode.
I know that David lean actually

889
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,200
wanted Charles Laughton to play
Nicholson at one point and I

890
00:50:10,207 --> 00:50:12,100
don't know if you're familiar
with Charles Laughton Brad but

891
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:15,800
he had to be like in his mid-50s
at least at this point.

892
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,800
Hmm.
And he was very overweight.

893
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,600
So like the studio was like,
absolutely not.

894
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,000
And that's how they settle.
I'm Alec Guinness.

895
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,500
I don't know if Olivia was ever
considered.

896
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,300
So I'm going to say three is
also true and I'm going to say

897
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,900
one is the falsehood and I don't
feel super confident about that,

898
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:41,300
but that's my final answer.
Bob you are 100% wrong.

899
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,600
No, yeah, no.
Yeah, live, dude, I'm on a

900
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,100
losing streak.
This is bad.

901
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:52,800
You you've been a streaky one
this year bosses like three or

902
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,700
four in a row.
Yeah.

903
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:59,900
Olivier said in retrospect that
it was a sensible decision to go

904
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,300
off and do love scenes with
Marilyn Monroe, rather than

905
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,500
tough it out in the jungles of
Ceylon with David lean.

906
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:12,200
I mean, he's not really the
swamps were actually created

907
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,900
because the, the swamps in Sri
Lanka were too dangerous.

908
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,600
The falsehood was that Thailand,
was originally chosen as the

909
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,400
location for the shoot.
Oh interesting, they did film in

910
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Sri Lanka.
I knew that they did film in Sri

911
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,700
Lanka that was true, but they
never had the whole idea of the

912
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,000
USSR pressuring and all that,
that's all fake.

913
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,000
All right.
If only I know though, my

914
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,200
geopolitical history better,
Well I was going to say I chose

915
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,300
Thailand partially because
that's where the River Kwai is

916
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:48,900
and also because they were a
somewhat Ally of the USSR in the

917
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:49,700
cold.
Cool.

918
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,100
All right.
Yeah I just kind of assumed that

919
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:53,800
you were right?
Because I know absolutely

920
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,900
nothing about Thailand.
So nailed it.

921
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:57,100
There you go.
Nice job, man.

922
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,200
Nicely done.
Thanks dude.

923
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,700
All right man.
Let's talk a little bit about

924
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:05,700
David lean and our impressions
of him so far because next week

925
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,500
we are going to take a very Very
hard.

926
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:11,800
Turn into a film of his from the
1940s that was made on a much

927
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,300
smaller budget.
That's an adaptation of a play

928
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,400
by the famous.
Playwright Noel coward.

929
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,600
It's nothing like this, right?
And so you've got hidden here

930
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,900
in, like, action hero mode.
Last week you have him in like

931
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,800
meditative, I don't know what
the word is visual Splendor.

932
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,200
And next week, we're getting him
in a kind of, a domestic drama.

933
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,800
And so, I think that our
impressions of lean After Next,

934
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,600
It might be very different than
our impressions of him today

935
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,900
after these two movies.
So like so far Brad what do you

936
00:52:43,908 --> 00:52:47,500
think of our boy David lean?
I think he's a fascinating

937
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:53,100
director.
I think that he really is a very

938
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:59,300
early example of a popular
director who is kind of

939
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,500
subverting the Public's
expectation of what they are

940
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:08,300
going to see it, the film or at
the movies, like Like he like

941
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:12,500
your setup as this poww movie
that, you know, so it's the the

942
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:15,500
Pacific version of The Great
Escape like yeah.

943
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,200
And I'm not saying that they
advertise it that way, but I'm

944
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,900
sure somebody thought of it in
that sense.

945
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,300
And yet you have this really
deep psychological drama.

946
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:31,800
And so, I think, with lean, he
pairs beautiful cinematography

947
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,400
with really fascinating
character, Dives and Scripts, At

948
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,200
that just take you in very
unexpected directions and so he

949
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,300
and he Blends the three of those
things together in a really

950
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,500
beautiful way.
So I just I really like him so

951
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:49,900
far.
I think the final shot of this

952
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:55,700
movie, you know, right after the
the medic has declared madness

953
00:53:55,700 --> 00:54:02,000
madness, it shows him standing
by the dead bodies of our Mad

954
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,200
Men and the, the camera just
slowly pans out and you just see

955
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,000
this destroyed bridge and these
dead bodies and it's a visual

956
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
depiction of what the medic just
declared Madness.

957
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Like, what the hell, was the
point of everything we just did

958
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,400
in this movie?
And, and then to top it all off,

959
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,400
he plays just the most
triumphant British marching

960
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,900
music.
And it's just, I just think he

961
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:35,600
wants to subvert people's
expectations of what they're

962
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,500
going to the movies to see.
And it's great.

963
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,100
Yeah like I wasn't prepared for
the extent to which he really

964
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:48,000
does kind of like indict.
His own britishness in these

965
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,000
movies and call into question
themes of like colonialism and

966
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,700
honor and War.
And like there's just there's so

967
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,600
many layers going onto these
movies, you know, we didn't

968
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,200
touch on this in the earlier
part of the episode, but the guy

969
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,700
that plays The Medic in this
movie was also in the Great

970
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,900
Escape and So I think that's
part of the reason why I tie the

971
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,200
two together so much because I'm
used to seeing that guy's face

972
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,900
in both movies and I love the
Great Escape.

973
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:16,600
I think I gave that movie a 9
and a half because it is like,

974
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,200
you know there are moments of
drama in that movie and it is

975
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,300
very moving at Parts but it's a
popcorn movie.

976
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,700
Like it's a fun movie it's about
as fun of a movie as you could

977
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,400
possibly make about a prisoner
of war camp, right?

978
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:33,300
This movie, you feel the more
punishing aspects of it.

979
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:38,200
Like the the torture scenes are
torturous and Pretty gruesome

980
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,300
and violent 4 1957.
The get away with a lot in this

981
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:43,900
movie and he's just from the
get-go.

982
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:47,300
He's just dealing with themes
that are on a much more

983
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,700
difficult plane than something,
like the Great Escape.

984
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,100
And I really, I respect the hell
out of it because this movie has

985
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,000
a lot more to say than the Great
Escape.

986
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,000
And at the same time, it is
every bit as suspenseful, it's

987
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,800
every bit as entertaining, like
he makes a movie that you could

988
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,500
go in and watch strictly as a
popcorn movie and It works like

989
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,900
gangbusters and then when you
want to start peeling back, the

990
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:13,000
layers of the onion.
There's a hell of a lot to peel.

991
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,800
Yeah, I think that Ebert.
Kind of says it best as he

992
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,500
usually does.
He says that most most movies

993
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:23,000
are either for or against their
Wars.

994
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,200
It by the end of Qui.
We are less interested in who

995
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,900
wins than in how the individual
characters will behave.

996
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,800
Hmm.
And I think that kind of sums it

997
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,800
up for me that like this movie
doesn't necessarily end up.

998
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,500
Saying anything about the war.
But it has everything to say

999
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:45,600
about British culture and
Japanese culture, and how much

1000
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,700
more similar they are than you'd
like, to think that they are and

1001
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:55,600
how individuals will behave with
this Society hanging above them.

1002
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,300
Hey, while we're talking about
super serious things, can, I can

1003
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:01,500
I pivot to something that I
found absolutely hilarious.

1004
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:05,300
So, I yes, you can the song that
they whistle very famously in

1005
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:06,800
this movie Colonel.
Bogey March.

1006
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,500
Ouch, which came up again in The
Breakfast Club, 30 years later,

1007
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:15,800
almost in World War Two, because
this was a World War one song

1008
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,100
that the, the soldiers would
whistle and sing in WWII to pass

1009
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:25,000
the time and they devised some
very spicy lyrics to it to just

1010
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,300
kind of stick it to the Germans.
And so in this movie, David lean

1011
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,000
has them whistling That Tune
because he knows that the Brits

1012
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,800
in the audience will know
exactly what the Dirty lyrics

1013
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,400
were to this song.
Huh.

1014
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,100
And, you know, they couldn't say
it so they just had them whistle

1015
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:42,100
it.
So they could sneak it by the

1016
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:46,700
sensors but Brad, because I am a
fan of the lyrics of this song.

1017
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:48,200
I'm going to read them out loud
right now.

1018
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,800
I am very excited to stick it to
the Germans.

1019
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,700
This is what they would sing and
I won't sing it.

1020
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:58,800
But I'll just say to the Rhythm.
They said, Hitler has only one

1021
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,400
right.
Ball Goering has to but they are

1022
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,700
small Himmler has something
similar.

1023
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:13,400
But gurbles has no balls at all.
And that's, that's what about

1024
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,700
the Germans.
I love it.

1025
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:21,000
Dude, that is incredible.
I never expected to get a great

1026
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,800
little bit of Nazi hate in our
Pacific setting.

1027
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,100
That is just beautiful.
Good job, David lean.

1028
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,700
All right man, I think we have
said about all there is to say

1029
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,300
about this movie.
It's time for us to segue into

1030
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:39,200
our final segment which we call
Make it a double where we pick a

1031
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,700
movie to make a double feature
with this Brad.

1032
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:43,400
I've been talking about the
Great Escape all day.

1033
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,100
I think that's, that's maybe the
most obvious movie to watch with

1034
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:51,700
this except for perhaps Stalag
17, which is that Billy Wilder

1035
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:56,400
movie with William Holden as the
leader of an outbreak of a

1036
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,100
prisoner of war camp, or sorry
as the leader of the cast.

1037
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:01,900
And it's a movie about a
prisoner of war camp.

1038
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,900
So I'm going to take the easy
way out, I'll say go watch

1039
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:07,600
Stalag 17 because we haven't
reviewed, That on the podcast

1040
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,800
yet and it's Billy Wilder like
it's a great movie.

1041
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:11,800
So I'm going to make this a
double will do.

1042
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,900
A William Holden double feature
today?

1043
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,000
For me Bob I'm gonna go vastly
in a different direction.

1044
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:26,300
I am going to pair this movie
with fight club interesting with

1045
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:28,700
yeah.
What's I feel?

1046
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,800
What's the connection here?
I feel like a lot of people

1047
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,300
would watch this movie and just
go.

1048
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,500
Huh?
Cool war movie.

1049
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:42,900
They blew up a bridge, awesome.
And I feel like a lot of people

1050
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:46,700
watch Fight Club and be like,
yeah, rule number one, you

1051
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:48,400
don't.
You don't talk about Fight Club

1052
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,500
that like, we're going to start
a fight club where manly and I

1053
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:57,400
feel like both lean and Fincher.
Have an ability in these two

1054
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,800
movies to write a movie that
goes over the head of, a lot of

1055
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,700
people that watch it, and I just
appreciate that.

1056
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:11,200
I Just, I just think that
there's so much to be said for

1057
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,100
movies that are really smart.
And this is a really smart movie

1058
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,900
Bob.
And I think that fight Club is a

1059
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:20,200
really smart movie.
So I'm going to pair fight club

1060
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,700
with The Bridge on the River.
Kwai like that, man.

1061
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Nice choice.
I don't, I don't like my club,

1062
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,100
but I was about to say, I would
pair fight club with Jameson

1063
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,800
cold brew.
That's what I would do that.

1064
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Yeah.
All right, man.

1065
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,900
Let's give this movie some
scores and, you know, Start last

1066
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:39,800
week.
I said that I was going to give

1067
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,500
this either an equivalent or a
higher score than Lawrence of

1068
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:45,500
Arabia with the caveat that I
understand.

1069
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:47,800
Lawrence of Arabia cinematic
Masterpiece.

1070
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:50,400
I enjoyed this movie more than
Lawrence of Arabia.

1071
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,500
I'm going to watch this movie
more times in my life than I

1072
01:00:52,508 --> 01:00:56,800
watched Lawrence of Arabia.
It's, it is the perfect example

1073
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,300
of, taking movie movie like just
an entertaining movie and

1074
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:08,000
elevating it to a work of art
and I don't think it's perfect

1075
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,400
like you said they're good, they
could probably trim 15 minutes

1076
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,900
out of that William Holden,
cutaway sequence.

1077
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,900
So I'm going to give it a nine
and a half out of ten but this

1078
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,900
is like about as good as a nine
and a half can get without being

1079
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,200
a 10.
Yeah, yeah.

1080
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,100
I'm going to give it a nine and
a half as well.

1081
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:27,500
Bob, I think that this movie is
incredible, it moves it such a

1082
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:32,100
nice pace for a long movie, you
get everything you need out of

1083
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,900
out of Alec Guinness has
performance.

1084
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:38,000
There's just so much.
Love here man.

1085
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,100
Alright, so that's it from us.
We are giving this a nine point

1086
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:44,800
five out of ten but we'd like to
know what you think and

1087
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,100
honestly, please write us on
Discord.

1088
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:48,900
Write us on our social media
accounts.

1089
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,000
We want to know if you've seen
this movie because it seems like

1090
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,200
a hell of a lot of people have
seen this movie, but I never

1091
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,300
hear anybody talk about it.
So, what's your experience with

1092
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,800
Bridge on the River Kwai?
We would love to have you reach

1093
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,000
out to us on our social media
accounts, Facebook Twitter,

1094
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,100
Instagram at film whiskey.
Or, as Bob said, Ed.

1095
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,900
You can jump on our Discord were
on there every single day

1096
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:12,700
talking to you guys.
The people who listen to our

1097
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:17,600
podcast so if you want to join
the conversation hit up the link

1098
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,600
at the end of every one of our
show notes.

1099
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:22,900
Next week, we're going to finish
out our David lean miniseries

1100
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:26,000
with a movie that none of you
have seen but all of you should

1101
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,400
see 1945's brief and counter
will be back with that one next

1102
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,500
Monday.
But until then I'm Bob book, I'm

1103
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,900
Brad G and we'll see you next
time.