The Big Lebowski / Cragganmore 12 (plus NKD LDY)

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Whiskey in 1998, the Coen
brothers and starred Jeff

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Bridges gave the world of
Current picture of a man who

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proves no matter the wild
Shenanigans happening around him

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that the Dude abides.
In 2023, we make a return trip

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to the space side region of
Scotland.

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The film is The Big Lebowski.
The whiskey is Craig and more 12

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year and we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at the
1998.

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Coen brothers comedy.
The Big Lebowski, the biggest

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Lebowski Brad.
It's been a wild ride.

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We've done.
Only three films by the Coen

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Brothers here and yet I feel
like we have really, and truly,

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like, run the run the gamut here
of wild crazy chaotic Cohen's.

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Yeah, there is so much going on
in these three films.

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That you realize the Coen
brothers, are one of the most

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ridiculous filmmakers that we've
had over the last 30 years, in

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such a way that you have to
watch their movies.

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Multiple times to really suss
out everything that's going on.

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It's been really fascinating for
me because I feel like we've

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focused more heavily on serious
Cohen stuff before we got to

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this miniseries.
You know, we did Fargo, we have

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done No Country for Old Men and
now we're getting into three of

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their comedies and I think
people sometimes undersell just

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How Deeply silly they are
because they're also so good at

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finding really deep.
Profound dramatic things in the

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world to highlight, you know,
and it's been pretty easy to

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pick out major themes with the
cohens that I've already said

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chaos once but chaos and
Randomness kind of ruled the day

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in a lot of their movies.
And I think even more.

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So in their later films and it's
true with the comedies as well.

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But there's a there's a
silliness and a sweetness there

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that I think fits right in, you
know, even among some of the

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more dramatic stuff because of
that consistent theme of the

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happen, Dance of chaos.
And I think that's the beauty of

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the Coen Brothers, is that
whether or not you are watching

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a serious film from them or just
one other, you know, almost you

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would call a screwball comedy.
They are very deep thinkers.

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Like, there's no other way of
putting it.

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They like, they think deeply
about the world around them, and

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why they believe what they
believe, and they translate that

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into film.
And I think, They give you some

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of the most interesting
characters that you ever get in

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cinema.
You know what I mean?

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Like, the, the, the people that
they put onto a script and then

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are, you know, brought to life
in their films are some of the

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most unique personalities that
you will ever watch in a movie.

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Yeah, I mean, it's really
similar to what we had with Wes

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Anderson, right?
When we did Wes Anderson, a few

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months ago, there's only one
filmmaker that can really make a

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movie, like, Wes Anderson.
It there's a Is there and with

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the Coen Brothers you know, not
all of their films are set in

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the same time or place or even
like levels of reality and yet

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they always seemed like Cohen
characters and I don't really

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know how else to explain it
except for that but thankfully

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we have someone with us today
Brad that you can probably hear

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chuckling in the background a
little bit, that might be able

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to help us parse that out, and
that is author and journalist

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Kathleen.
Focsani Kathleen.

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How are you today?
I'm good and you guys are spot.

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Not on its depth.
I will argue about the chaos

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later.
Oh, there we go.

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You're spot on, except for that
major arguments if anyone's

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taking exactly.
So Kathleen has by lines all

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over the place.
I'm not going to read all of the

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extensive writing that she's
done.

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But for our purposes, the most
important thing that she's

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written is a book called the
Dude abides The Gospel According

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to the Coen Brothers, which I
have had on my bookshelf for

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like a decade.
Now, it is a super helpful book

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for parsing.
Out the themes inside of Coen,

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Brothers, films, and Kathleen.
I bought this book primarily

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because for a long time, I
thought the cohens were like a

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really tough nut to crack.
I I really struggled with some

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of their later films, I think
for me like the dividing line

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was, when I went to see Inside
Llewyn Davis in 2013, you're

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correct and it just seems like
such.

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I don't even want to call it a
mean-spirited movie.

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But a movie that it felt like
They were finally kind of

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tipping into nihilism and thing
something shifted for sure.

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Yes, and I don't know that
they've ever quite recovered

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from that and I love you, if
they ever hear the stolen even,

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you know, I love you, but they
haven't not yet, but I think

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there's been a lot going on
behind the scenes.

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Sure.
Sure, you in something to

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matically for sure.
But yeah, you know, and so

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because of that, I hadn't really
gone back into their back

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catalog.
And this book really inspired me

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to do that because there are so
many Just deep Redemptive themes

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in their films that are begging
to be discovered.

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And as I guess, I'm just saying
thank you for writing this book.

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You're super welcome.
And have to tell you, I have

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been a rabid.
Khan Brothers fan from.

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I think I'm sure the first one I
saw was Raising Arizona when I

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was in college.
But there, because they are

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such, I mean, just the genre
wise, they've done, Just about

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everything but a horror film and
you could maybe argue that their

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very first.
One Blood Simple was in fact a

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semi horror film but Noir
slapstick.

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Every genre every era, you know,
black and white hyperrealism, I

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was trying to figure out what it
was about them.

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That made me love these
completely diverse films, mmm.

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And when I started to look at
that is when I realized that it

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was the spiritual And if you
will that runs that I saw

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running through most of their
films that I was like, okay

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what's going on here?
There's a lot more Beyond,

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whatever the genre, whatever the
slapstick or whatever.

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Like the bloody knew Ernest of
the film is, there's there are

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some Staples to the I call at
the Kona verse.

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I think, in my book it's not a
very complex, moral code, but

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there is one and I started to
see it but it was I fell head

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over heels with those themes and
with their writing and their

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entire roof.
When I saw Lebowski, which I

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can't believe this 25 years.
Yeah, on February 24th.

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It's really crazy.
I typed it into IMDb just to

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kind of look at some facts about
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In the first thing that popped
up was see, showtimes for this

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movie and I was like, why is
this playing again?

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And I hadn't done that yet, but
they're doing a re-release in

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April Nationwide for the 25th
anniversary.

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And I will be going to where
fourteen masks because I've been

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very careful during covid.
I still haven't caught it.

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Yeah.
But I will risk putting on 13

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maths and seeing it on the big
screen again.

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There you go.
So, I guess I mean, that that's

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a great segue.
Into my next question, here we

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are going to get into talking
about the movie here.

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And why is Lebowski the
representative film for this

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book?
I got this book came out in 09

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so the cohens have released some
films since then.

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Yeah, you know you could have
titled this after anything, you

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could.
You know, the cover could have

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been Marge Gunderson with a big
halo around her head and instead

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it's a picture of Jeff Lebowski.
Why did this become kind of the

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skeleton key for all of their
other films?

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Well, it's their most
conspicuously spiritual film.

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Hmm.
It's they're not the most

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overtly, so that would be a
serious man where they kind of

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do a deep dive into Judaism.
Their own Judaism, and actually

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the theme of lamech valve necks,
which I talked about in the

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chapter about Lebowski funny.
Funny story, I had an inside man

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in the production of a serious
man because that Came out that

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what that movie was coming out
the month that this book was

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releasing.
Wow.

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And so and this person in the
cast, snuck me a shooting

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script.
And so, I knew what the story

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was, and when I saw that, a
serious man is talking about him

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being a lab.
Not advised, Nick, which I

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talked about a little baski
chapter.

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I did like the highest of self
fives ever.

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Anyway, but yeah, I was really
thrilled when I saw that because

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all of what I saw in the
Lebowski film Which were these.

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To me themes that came out of
the the morality of their early

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Judaism.
You could see them starting to

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sort of flirt, with some of you
never know if the person that

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you're hosting is an angel kind
of theme way.

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Back in Raising Arizona.
I mean, the sort of holy fool is

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a theme that they come back to
hudsucker, proxy is another one

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that comes to mind the
ladykillers.

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Which by the way is one of Most
underrated films.

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Yeah, so Lebowski was just wear
it for me.

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All of these Whispers And
threads that were in other films

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coalesced and the cover of my of
my book is an icon made by a

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Chicago artist named Eric Rose
who had actually made that icon

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or one very similar to it.
That's on the cover and I had

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seen it.
And okay, so he's a saint.

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So what would be the other icons
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they be emblematic of, the not
theology, but the moral universe

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or the spirituality in each of
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And so it was that seeing that
icon that are crows had made put

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sort of planted the idea for The
Gospel According to in my mind

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and then we were really lucky
enough to commission Eric to do

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a new icon for each film that
had come out at that point, it

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was up to a serious man, so Why
again I can't speak highly

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enough about the book itself.
We're going to dive into the

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movie here.
And for those of you who are

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listeners to the show you know
that that means we have a

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segment called Brad explains
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The whole premise of the show is
that a lot of times Brad has not

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seen these classic movies and
that I'm kind of introducing him

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to them.
Brad had you seen Lebowski

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before today, I had not seen the
biggest pearl clutch in the

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world just now sorry.
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The Coen Brothers as a
directorial, team were brand new

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to me coming into the podcast.
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Did we do Fargo first?
Or I want to say, we didn't know

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country first.
And then okay.

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Yeah.
I don't think no country was my

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favorite introduction to them.
I liked the movie, but man, it

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was so dark, you know?
Just a little bit Fargo, though.

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Definitely.
Redeemed them.

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If I'm being honest Bob it's
been an up-and-down Journey for

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me and the the old Coen
brothers.

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So the Killer's I was going to
say coming off of last week's

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Raising Arizona debacle.
Yeah man that was Brad you have

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60 seconds on the clock to break
down the plot of The Big

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Lebowski a largely plotless film
question mark.

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So it's going to be great.
Yeah you've got a minute on the

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clock.
I'm gonna start the Timer.

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Now, The Big Lebowski is about a
man named Jeff Lebowski, who

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goes by the dude or, as Kathleen
said El duderino he is a slacker

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pot-smoking hippie that lives in
the 90s and likes to go bowling.

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Although we never want to see
him actually bowl a bowling ball

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in the film, and he gets
mistaken for a multi-millionaire

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Jeff Lebowski he's attacked by
some thugs they pee on his

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carpet.
He goes to the multi-millionaire

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Jeff Lebowski and demands
reparations for his destroyed

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carpet.
And this sends him on to a wild

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goose.
Chase to help find the big

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lebowski's the the millionaire
lebowski's lost wife, who has

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been kidnapped, he cuts a bunch
of deals with different people.

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Like Big Lebowski, his daughter
mob, Lebowski, who wants to

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become pregnant by him.
He lies to a lot of people and

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tries to deceive them in the
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gets his friend killed of a
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some German nihilists.
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Very wide, very wild.
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remember, Bob Kathleen, the Dude
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that I was supposed to cut bread
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talking into a muted microphone.
I was like, man, he's really

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just plowing ahead.
I chicken.

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And that's 60 seconds, man.
I've never seen the logline for

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Lebowski but like, how on Earth
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I don't know.
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describe a movie like this?
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comedies, like this, where I
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of errors, even though it kind
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it's a farce and it kind of has
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movie like to throw it way back,
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real famous.
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Noir movie.
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is incomprehensible.
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And this is one of those movies
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triple crosses and characters
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know motivations and who's lying
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It's just like you throw your
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Goodman and you say like effort,
let's go bowling like that.

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To me is like the perfect
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Well, yeah, well spotted, the
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that.
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they kind of give as Wes
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that they love in their films
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All right?
So Brad, I kind of structured

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the three weeks of these
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from the one that is at least on
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in reality or very simple Jude
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very heightened sense of
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the events of this film.
Like is it realistic Bob?

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I don't, I didn't say it was
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This is whatever Bowl in LA in
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I did not, but I did not.
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you know, German electro-pop,
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Nihilists with with a marmot
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realize that one of them is flee
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Yes.
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So yeah.
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these in a different order like,
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sense tonight?
At least structure these in a

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way that kind of prepared you
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I think that you should have
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narrative and just randomized it
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with a way.
That's fair.

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Let's talk performances.
Guys, I want to talk about Jeff

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Bridges because because like
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performance and truly iconic.
Like I mean it is still

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inspiring hastily thrown
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every year and an entire
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Yes, I mean that to, you know,
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Yeah.
But Jeff Bridges is to this day.

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One of our most underrated
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he don't want to call him
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of fits in with a certain type
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He's understated in almost
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of that, I don't feel like we
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The shades of grey that separate
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But if you look at, I mean this
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playing one of the lead roles in
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that, where he's in Iron Man
playing like a ham is Tony.

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Yeah.
Like the handiest villain ever,

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he really does have tremendous
range.

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Oh yeah.
And kind of disappears into this

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role Brad.
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I think that what Jeff Bridges
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Is a sense of authenticity and
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doubt that and I honestly, I
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almost any other film.
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Brothers, I think that all of
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think that that John Goodman
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they just sincerely feel like
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character but they are the
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In such a deep and meaningful
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It never feels put on that Jeff
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relaxing drinking or White
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Tycoon.
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that they throw in there when
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shading trick like, things like
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Allow you to see honest
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Out of Him that are just like
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Perfect.
It's the kind of role where

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you're like, really.
Can you fathom anybody else

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playing a role?
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almost like can you even fathom
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Because he'd never played
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movie.
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himself the more than a I
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him, but it there's a lot of
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In this, it's not that far field
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this person is to the essence of
who Jeff Bridges as a person as

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I understand it, you know
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himself who you know, practices
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practices meditation and
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Who is deeply?
Deeply kind and generous. - and

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on the side of the downtrodden,
I don't know if you know this

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about two Bridges, but he has
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Been a patron of I think it's
feed America about Hunger with

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this children in particular in
the United States.

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I mean, he's just a really good
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He's a good dude.
Yeah, I think that that that do

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that innate dude - of mr.
Bridges comes through in in the

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Lebowski character and it could
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and A caricature a comic artist
cartoonish really, but it's got

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so much soul in it, and I think
that's because of the person

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doing the performance.
I want to talk about some more

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these performances, like let's
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Yes, talk about John Goodman.
Again, one of our Great American

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actors, who is an unsung hero?
Yeah, I said it last week, for

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Raising Arizona.
He has one of the greatest

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voices.
Yeah, that God has ever graced

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upon a human.
Indeed and here he is playing

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again, talk about disappearing
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Like last week his character was
this like disgustingly greasy

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and yet somehow still waxing
poetic ex-con or escaped con and

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this movie, you know, he's got
the intensity but it's a

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completely different character
and I just think he, he and Jeff

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Bridges.
Like, I don't know if anyone can

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match them scene to scene and
not just in the the commitment

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to there.
Foreman says, but they just

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seems like they were both born
to play these roles.

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Well, they come across so deeply
as best friends.

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Yeah, and if there's anything I
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like the relationship between
Walter and the dude is

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everything you want like a best
friend relationship to be like

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they rip on each other.
They push each other to be

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better.
They tear each other down that.

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And yet at the At the end of the
day, they're still just going to

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go bowling together and be best
friends.

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And there's a there's a
steadiness to their wild

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relationship that you you need.
And every good re, you know,

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real life relationship and I'm
an also growing up in Cleveland,

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Ohio.
I knew plenty, a Walter sobchak.

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Yeah, in my life, the the Polish
Ukrainian Russian population and

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Wind is massive.
Yeah, the amount of of, you

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know, former Catholic or still
Catholic middle aged and up, you

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know, Eastern European men who
fought in Vietnam was very high

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and I knew if you want her.
So Jax's, it's just man, maybe

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that's Jewish convert.
Was gonna say?

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, the Jewish convert.

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Our Shabbos, baby Summer Sun.
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Yeah.
I don't roll on Shadow.

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Yes, and then you have, of
course the brilliant mr.

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Buscemi who plays Donnie can I
got this?

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I got five minutes into this
movie and I was like, he's gonna

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die.
I don't know.

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I don't know what I think it was
just like the fact that it was a

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Coen Brothers movie and he was
just Angelic and I was like, oh,

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he's he is definitely gonna die
at the end of this movie.

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Maybe not by wood chipper but
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He but them both being
caretakers of this wholly

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innocent that is Donnie care
about sis also sort of shapes

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that triangulated, but in
triangulate it in a healthy way,

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I think relationship friendship
between the three of them.

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I don't know, you know, where
you fall on the Spectrum,

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Kathleen of like this is a
perfect movie.

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If I do have one major gripe
with the movie, it's that we

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didn't get enough of Donnie like
their knees.

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He's just not in an enough for
me and I wish he had, you know,

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like the running gag is great,
what I just wish we had like one

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scene where we got to know him
even a little bit more and like

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the tiny bit more.
I agree with you.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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And I wonder Where the footage
because I'm sure they're there

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must be more of Donnie in there.
I think we got more of Jesus,

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then we got of Donnie because it
was, all right, let's yeah,

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comedy gold.
Let's talk about Jesus here

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because and I'm not, I'm
referring to John.

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Turturro not, you know, our Lord
and savior character, the

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pederast eight-year-olds, dude.
Alright, so this movie is as

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much as you can call something
by Hers is famous is the Coen

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Brothers, a true cult classic.
I mean, this is one of the last

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real cult classics.
We're not super Financial

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financially successful in the
theaters takes on a life of its

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own.
I mean inspires our religion,

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you know, and out of that
subculture this like insane

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worship for the character of
Jesus.

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In this movie happens to the
point where he then gets his

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own.
From what I hear, awful sequel

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to the movie, which Cipher key
is to say, Yeah, I've never

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watched it.
Yeah, I haven't either.

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It was it was rumored for years.
The cone Brothers said they

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would never do a sequel, somehow
this movie got made, I not sure

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why Turturro agreed to do it.
I haven't heard good things

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about it and I haven't felt the
need to see it.

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Although his character in
Lebowski is just a great

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on-screen.
Yes, Ln, he's not a central

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villain but he's just this
menacing like he's the Pope

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Anything about him?
Yes, he's the perfect person to

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have on screen for exactly three
total minutes of screen time.

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Yeah.
And why you would ever want to

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expand that to its own movie?
Doesn't make any sense to me.

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Like, it just says why I told me
up and we're like, no, you know,

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reminds me of like in the early
90s after Wayne's, World

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happened and Lorne.
Michaels was like, let's take

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every SNL character.
And make, let's make the the,

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It's Pat movie.
You know what I mean?

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Like it.
Yeah, reminds me of that.

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I just even watching it back.
Back.

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I'm so familiar with the
character now that I forgot the,

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he's literally only in, like two
scenes in this movie.

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Well, he's gross and he has no,
he has no moral center, right?

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So, why would they want to
explore that more?

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No, he's completely, he's there
for us for comedic effect.

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And to, as an example of what
The villain is in there, in the

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Kona, verse read, were you
familiar with that character?

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Like, had you seen any of the
imagery of turturro's character

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from this movie or anything?
No.

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Okay.
Are you surprised to hear that?

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That character is the one that
like took off?

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Yes.
But when you say, took off like,

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hmm, I feel like the thing I
have heard being in, you know,

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in and around culture over the
last 20 years.

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I like I have heard, The Dude
abides and I have heard of, you

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know, white Russians are what
they drink in The Big Lebowski I

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like.
So, I've heard things like that,

446
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:03,900
I have never once heard about
the pederast, Jesus, Quinn,

447
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:09,000
Quinn, Tana, Donna, Donna.
He, I don't think he's a beloved

448
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,800
character.
I think he's a character that

449
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,900
people love to quote.
Yes.

450
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,400
His quotes are insane, because
me, and, you know, man.

451
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,400
Yeah, if you take, if you come
at me with a piece, I'm going to

452
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,000
tell me it's just The whole
thing is so gross, it's to go

453
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
door-to-door to tell his
neighbors that he's a pederast

454
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,400
after he gets out of jail and
he's a registered sex offender.

455
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,300
Just gross.
Yep, everything is gross.

456
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Longfinger purple fingernail on
his left hand, everything is

457
00:27:30,808 --> 00:27:35,300
gross, but he's a fun costume
because it's a purple jumpsuit.

458
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,300
You get to wear a hairnet and
race just.

459
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Yeah, I think what I love most
about him in this movie is that

460
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:47,600
you get to see he inserts a
little bit of their normal daily

461
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,600
life, into the Middle of this
wild.

462
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:55,800
Not normal for the characters
lives in Iraq, right, right.

463
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,900
Like they're on an adventure.
That's why the strangers here.

464
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,300
Narrating, it.
The stranger isn't narrating.

465
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:06,000
Their bowling duels with with
hey-zeus, but you get just

466
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,500
enough of him to go.
Oh, like, this is what their

467
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,700
normal life is like.
Like they Bowl all the time

468
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,100
League Play, Man, pleading play.
Exactly.

469
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:20,600
It's so I think on that level
Turturro is Is perfect and

470
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,500
illustrating that for what?
The Coen Brothers want to do

471
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,900
here?
Do you guys know about, first of

472
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,200
all, have you seen Barton Fink?
I have seen Barton Fink exactly

473
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,400
one time, and it was like a
decade ago and I need to

474
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,900
revisit.
So the the Barton Fink Lebowski

475
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:41,800
connection is they were working
on Barton Fink and the Barton

476
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,100
Fink.
This is not a spoiler for any

477
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,500
bit of movies.
Been out for like, twenty odd

478
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,700
years, maybe even closer to 30
is about, essentially about a

479
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:51,000
writer.
John Turturro screenwriter who

480
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:58,000
has writer's block, and John
Goodman plays a character who is

481
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,600
basically the embodiment of
self-doubt and the devil who

482
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:08,200
sets hotel hallways on fire with
his mind and tutor is stuck in

483
00:29:08,208 --> 00:29:10,600
this hotel room with like
melting wallpaper blah blah.

484
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:14,600
When they were trying to write
that and we're stuck.

485
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,300
They wrote The Big Lebowski.
Oh I didn't know that.

486
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,500
So they know sat on this for
like what?

487
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,300
Eight years probably they they
were kind of writing them at the

488
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,000
same time you know things move
in slow motion and in Hollywood.

489
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,600
So I think they were both
written.

490
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,700
I think the Big Lebowski was
written in the middle of them.

491
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:36,500
Trying to write that one, huh?
Interesting, I think I've got

492
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,300
that right?
But so you can sort of see I do

493
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,300
parallels between the Goodman
characters except he plays a

494
00:29:44,308 --> 00:29:47,500
more beneficial.
Isn't it ridiculous character

495
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,700
and Lebowski?
He's the fundamentalist to

496
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,300
lebowski's, you know Mystic.
Yeah.

497
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,000
But he's he's humanized in his
interactions with the dude for

498
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,800
sure.
Yeah.

499
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,900
And I think that again, I'm a
sap for when the cohens go for

500
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,300
the sentimental.
Like I just, yeah, I think it

501
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:12,600
actually helps me understand
that the movie has meaning where

502
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,800
some of their more recent
movies, just don't do that.

503
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Me.
And so at the, even at the end

504
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,900
of this deeply, silly random
farce of a movie, when you have

505
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:25,300
Jeff Bridges and John Goodman,
like sharing an embrace, it's

506
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:26,700
like, oh, that's that's
friendship.

507
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,500
That's forgiveness.
That's, that's Grace.

508
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:33,500
And I love that about their
early to mid career films, that

509
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,600
they always find a way to kind
of bring it back around to some

510
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,000
of those themes.
Brad before we go to break, I

511
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,900
want to touch on Roger deakins
for just a second.

512
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,600
But is there anybody else in
this?

513
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,100
Like, absolutely Stacked cast of
characters that you want to

514
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,500
touch on their performance.
I mean, we mentioned Philip

515
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,800
Seymour Hoffman.
Anytime he is in a movie, we

516
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,200
need to talk about him because
he's incredible.

517
00:30:55,300 --> 00:31:00,300
Yeah, but I think that David
Huddleston, oh, good lord has as

518
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,200
the titular character.
Yeah.

519
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Right.
The Big Lebowski is incredible.

520
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:11,500
Yeah, the the way he chews up
scenery like he's chewing up a

521
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:18,600
cigar as like, Rush Limbaugh.
It is utterly perfect.

522
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,700
In this film God, the bench is
so deep in this film, David

523
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:24,000
thewlis.
Yes.

524
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,500
As as the yes, crazy.
And then, Peter Stormare, I just

525
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,500
want to stir mayor.
I don't know how he pronounces

526
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,200
his last name.
You Know, Carl hummus, who, of

527
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,900
course, plays one of the Hitmen
in Fargo is just magnificent in

528
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:44,800
his outlandish. - as this would
be neelis.

529
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,400
He had a great great 98 because
it was this movie and Armageddon

530
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,400
in the same year o'healey.
Oh, yeah.

531
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,100
And then, of course, you've got
Ben gazzara who is one of our,

532
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,000
you know, arguably finest actors
in the last 50, 60 years and

533
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,300
they kind of resurrected and I
don't think he'd been anything

534
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,400
for a long time and then before
they cast and anaesthesia

535
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,900
Julianne Moore who is, of
course, who are like in the

536
00:32:07,908 --> 00:32:11,400
middle of her, I don't know,
exploring the depths of the porn

537
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,700
industry phase because she's
like she comes off of Boogie

538
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:18,200
Nights and then into this And I
love that.

539
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:20,600
I have to think it was
intentional because of the way,

540
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400
the cohens make movies, but the
fact that her accent changes in

541
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
every single scene, yes, like it
starts with that.

542
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:33,900
Kind of like transatlantic Cary
Grant old tiny accent and it

543
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,000
Katharine Hepburn.
Yes.

544
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,800
And then it's like, you know,
she's tipping into like Scottish

545
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,500
by the last time you see her.
I know, it's a, it's a fantastic

546
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:43,500
performance.
But yeah, bright I think

547
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:47,400
honestly those Two key ones that
we talked about really are the

548
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,500
ones that make this movie, what
it is well.

549
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,800
And then I would add want one
more with without whom.

550
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,500
I don't think the movie would
have the same impact.

551
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,200
And that is the very great Sam
Elliott.

552
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,100
Oh, yeah.
Stranger.

553
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,600
Yeah.
I mean, he just, you could put

554
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,600
him as the bookend on any movie
and I feel like any movie, you

555
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,500
know what I mean?
Like, I just went to see women

556
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:13,400
talking last night, very serious
movie and I still feel like I

557
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,400
could probably find a way to
make Make Sam Elliott, he's

558
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,700
always make everything better.
He's like he's a little bit like

559
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Jeff Goldblum.
Yes, whatever you put them in,

560
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,300
it's just going to be that much
better.

561
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,100
All right Brad what do you say?
We hit pause here.

562
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,400
We have a scotch to try.
And before we get into this

563
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,500
Craig and more, I want to say
that Kathleen actually requested

564
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
when she came on the show, that
we find a non-alcoholic Spirit

565
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,700
to send her.
And we found this company that

566
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,400
we had never worked with.
Before it's a new non-alcoholic,

567
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,800
whiskey alternative from a
company called naked lady, which

568
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,100
really fits in well with The Big
Lebowski.

569
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:57,600
So, what we'll do is Brad and I
are going to try this Craig and

570
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,300
Or but we want you to hang
around for the last part of the

571
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,300
episode because at the very end
of the episode, all three of us

572
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,300
are going to sample.
This naked lady and we're going

573
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,300
to review.
I also will get a bonus review

574
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,699
out of that, but Brad, and I are
gonna go get liquored up for,

575
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,100
you know, a couple minutes, and
then we'll come back.

576
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,699
We'll dive into the back half of
the episode and then we'll try

577
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:17,600
this whiskey, alternative, what
do you say Brad?

578
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,400
Yeah, let's get to it, man.
There you go.

579
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,800
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586
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Alright, so today we are

597
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:29,000
checking out Craig and more 12
years speyside single malt,

598
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800
scotch whiskey Brad.
This whiskey comes from a

599
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,500
collection of Whiskey's that we
got in a little box called the

600
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:38,000
Coastal Collection.
And I think we've tried the

601
00:35:38,008 --> 00:35:40,500
other two at this point.
Now, we also had one that was

602
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,500
like, it was they're called the
classic Molt's if you ever see

603
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,500
them on the Shelf, they're
amazing.

604
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:49,100
They're, these three little 200
mL bottles, and you get to try

605
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,500
these very well.
Aged scotches is such a good

606
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,800
deal.
We really loved what was the one

607
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,600
that we really liked this year.
Not the Dalmore, the talisker

608
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,800
10.
The really loves house for 10.

609
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:02,000
Fantastic.
Yeah.

610
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,700
Actually I gave that to my
brother-in-law's, a Christmas

611
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,600
gift because I was like dude
you're getting into Scotch a

612
00:36:07,607 --> 00:36:09,700
little bit.
You need to drink talisker 10.

613
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,800
Yeah, so I mean you know Craig
and more has has an uphill

614
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
battle for it to defeat that one
in our minds.

615
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,800
But man, I just love that we've
been visiting space side lately.

616
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:22,900
There's something about speyside
Scotch is that it's I hate to

617
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:24,400
say it this.
Way, but it's like it's the most

618
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Irish of scotch whiskeys.
There's there's so much

619
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
brightness and fruitiness to
them.

620
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,400
I'm really looking forward to
this one man.

621
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,200
Yeah, I'm super excited to how
about.

622
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,200
We just get into it man.
For me, I think the nose here,

623
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,500
you get some really unique notes
on this, for me, it was

624
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,600
honeydew.
There's some like rose petals

625
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
and then a little bit of like a
tart cranberry.

626
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,700
Yeah, this is very fruity and
very enjoyable rarely.

627
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:56,400
I don't know if I got just Pure
honey on this knows which you

628
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400
normally I get pretty frequently
on scotches.

629
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:01,900
I like this Bible.
Give it an 8 out of 10.

630
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,700
Yeah, this is this is probably
the fruitiest European whiskey

631
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,500
we've ever had.
I mean, just in terms of

632
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,700
smelling almost like candied
fruit, like it is, it's

633
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,300
pineapple, and it's honeydew,
and it's cantaloupe.

634
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:16,100
And like you said, there's
definitely like a really bright

635
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:19,400
cranberry, or something on that,
kind of tart side in this.

636
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
That I really, really, like I'm
gonna, I'm gonna give it an

637
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,400
eight and a half.
If on the nose, I loved it a

638
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:26,200
lot.
Let's let's go man.

639
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,700
Yeah and then as I got into the
actual pallets, I think it came

640
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,900
down a little bit.
It went more into a dark fruit

641
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,500
territory almost like a
blackberry jam.

642
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,100
I got a little bit of vanilla,
the honey notes started to come

643
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,700
through and then at the back end
of the pallet, there was a

644
00:37:42,707 --> 00:37:45,700
little bit of a spicy clove
coming in.

645
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,900
Honestly, it was a really solid
palette, but I'll give it a 7

646
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,100
out of 10 on the taste.
I'm trying to figure out what

647
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,200
the dividing line is between.
Queen The Taste and the finish

648
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,500
here because I got notes on the
like after I swallowed new notes

649
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,200
came up.
So I'm going to save those for

650
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,300
the Finish but there's really
not a lot of sweetness here.

651
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,800
It's not bitter, it's just kind
of like, you know, you were

652
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,200
expecting sweetened tea with
lemon and you got unsweet tea

653
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,700
with lemon, like it just kind of
reminds me of that a little bit.

654
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,900
There's still some brightness
there, but for the most part,

655
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,900
it's just like a regular old
barley flavor that, you know,

656
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,800
Scotch whiskey.
This was probably Bubbly the

657
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,600
worst part of the experience.
For me I'm just going to give

658
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,600
the flavor or the pallet a six
point five out of ten but I'm

659
00:38:31,607 --> 00:38:34,400
going to give the Finish an 8
because like you said as soon as

660
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,900
I swallowed there was that kind
of like allspice and clove and

661
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,700
then honey crept back up into my
mouth Danna and they're like

662
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,400
that.
That honey sweetness was not

663
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,200
there on the palate but it was
there on the finish.

664
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,900
So it's an eight on the finish
for me.

665
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,100
Yeah, I thought that the Finish
was pretty solid, it had some

666
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,100
really nice Barry notes.
Stuck around.

667
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:58,200
I just think that this whiskey
would have done great at 86

668
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,500
proof like so many other
scotches.

669
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,500
I think it 80-proof the Finish.
Really suffers, because of it.

670
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:08,500
I'll give it a, I'll stick it a
7 out of 10 for the finish.

671
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:10,700
All right?
That takes us to balance again.

672
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,100
I think that it's a fairly well,
balanced whiskey.

673
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
And the second sip, the palette
really did open up a little bit,

674
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:20,200
but it's still, is I think kind
of clearly a step down from the

675
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,200
nose and from the finish.
So I'm just going to give this a

676
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:26,800
A seven and a half on balance.
Yeah, I'm right there with you,

677
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,700
seven and a half out of ten on
the balance.

678
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,000
It's a really solid expression
of a single malt, and it's just

679
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,600
complex' enough to get a decent
score here.

680
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:36,900
All right, Brad.
What does this set you back in

681
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,200
the state of Ohio?
You can't get it in the state of

682
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,500
Ohio.
Bob so weird because like I

683
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,100
bought this box set in the state
of Ohio.

684
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,700
You sure did?
Huh.

685
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:50,300
So they don't sell it like by
itself.

686
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,100
No, I not that I could see on No
hlq.

687
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:54,900
Wow.
Okay.

688
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,000
As I looked at it online, it
looks like you could get it

689
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,200
around the 60 dollar Mark, okay?
If you're in a state that allows

690
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,700
whiskey to be shipped to you.
So I mean, it's fairly similar

691
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,300
to like the talisker and tell us
there's actually probably like

692
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,900
ten dollars cheaper than this.
This is not as good as the

693
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,800
talisker was and if it's more
expensive than that, also kind

694
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
of dings it a little bit in my
mind, I don't think this is a

695
00:40:17,408 --> 00:40:20,300
bad value for a 12 year aged
Scotch.

696
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,600
I'll give it a six and a half on
value.

697
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,800
Yeah, I think it's just a little
bit on the expensive side for

698
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,700
me, there's just so many other
scotches in the 55 to 70 dollar

699
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,000
range that I would prefer.
So I'll give it a five and a

700
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,300
half on the value.
It's not terrible but you know

701
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,600
little expensive.
All right, so what does that

702
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,700
bring you out to bread?
I am right on the dot 35 out of

703
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,400
50.
I'm going to 37 on the dot so

704
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,800
that takes us to a very easy to
average 36 out of 50.

705
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,100
Or 72 out of 100 that puts us
right over that kind of boundary

706
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,300
Mark where we start suggesting.
Yeah, give it a try and I think

707
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,000
I would say that, you know, if
you can buy this 3-pack

708
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,700
somewhere I would highly
recommend doing that.

709
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,200
It's a great way to try single
malt, see in an absolute

710
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,700
heartbeat.
Even at the bar, I think this is

711
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:13,900
worth buying a poor of.
I don't know that I'd recommend

712
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:16,600
buying a bottle unless you
really fall in love with the

713
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,900
sample that you get exactly.
Yeah, I'm 100% with you.

714
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:22,900
Bob, wow, this was a very
harmonious.

715
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:25,200
Whiskey Review man.
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,000
Better than Raising Arizona.
All right what do you say?

717
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,100
We get back into talking about
The Big Lebowski.

718
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:38,100
Let's get to it.
All right everybody that was

719
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,000
Craig and more 12, a scotch that
Bob and I were pretty impressed

720
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,700
with.
Yeah.

721
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,500
Speyside scotches man.
Dude.

722
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:48,600
They they hit, man.
They a great Spa.

723
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,900
It sure do.
Well, with that review out of

724
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:58,500
the way Bob, we're here at
Canada's favorite segments to

725
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:02,600
facts in a false to facts and a
falsehood, I really need to go

726
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,600
back and tally up my score from
the sighting.

727
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:07,900
You do.
It's honestly close like you

728
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,700
could be reveling in a
hard-fought victory this point

729
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,900
but I was going to see.
It's a if we translate this to

730
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:18,900
like the NBA.
I am I'm I think I'm squarely in

731
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
the play in tournament.
Yeah.

732
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,500
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like I'm somewhere between seeds

733
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:27,300
7 and 10 because I'm right
around 500, but I don't know

734
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,600
exactly where I'm at.
You're doing, you're doing

735
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,400
great, you're the parent who's
telling their kid like, yeah,

736
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,400
you did.
Great out there.

737
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,500
Bobby I am the Detroit Pistons
of the film and whiskey podcast.

738
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,100
That's correct.
All right, man.

739
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,400
Let's do this.
This is the part of the podcast

740
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,200
where Brad presents three items
to me all of them, as fact, and

741
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,200
I have to guess, which one is
completely made up.

742
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,400
Now, this comes A huge caveat
because the two facts in

743
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,900
quotations come from the IMDb
trivia page which is the least

744
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:02,900
vetted page on the internet.
I think so we have no idea if

745
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,300
any of these are really true but
we are taking that page at face

746
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,500
value.
What we do know is true is that

747
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,900
only one of the three was made
up by me.

748
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,100
That's true.
So if other ones were made up by

749
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,900
other people, you know that
that's that's not the game.

750
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:19,800
We're playing here.
You just have to figure out

751
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
which one I made up.
This is true.

752
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,400
All right man, hit me with the
two facts in a falsehood.

753
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,500
Alright fact, number one,
according to the Akron Beacon

754
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:29,900
Journal.
Hey Medina.

755
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,400
Sod bowling shirt.
The dude wears in the movie is a

756
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,400
real 1960s.
Bowling shirt found in a thrift

757
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,300
store in Los Angeles fact.
Number two, the Coen Brothers,

758
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600
normally, fastidious about their
actors sticking to the script

759
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,400
were slightly more open to
improvisation in this film as

760
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,900
they tried to emulate the dudes
attitude and their filmmaking

761
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:54,900
process. process fax number
three, Jeff Bridges in his

762
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,400
second career as a musician,
sometimes tours with a backing

763
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,500
band called The abiders a
reference to the repeated line

764
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:07,300
the Dude abides All right,
here's what I'm thinking.

765
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:10,000
Number one, I can't tell if
you're just appealing to the

766
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,400
fact that I am from the Akron
area and so Medina Ohio is like

767
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,400
30 minutes away and when I saw
that shirt at the end, I was

768
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,100
like, huh, Medina interesting?
I wonder if there is a like a

769
00:44:21,107 --> 00:44:24,100
Medina or something in Southern
California that I'm not familiar

770
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:25,300
with.
Hmm.

771
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,300
So I don't trust.
You is what I'm saying?

772
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:34,000
Yeah, you shouldn't number two,
It's the semantics of it that I

773
00:44:34,008 --> 00:44:37,300
don't like because I know for a
fact that there was only like

774
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:41,400
one or two improvised lines that
got into the movie.

775
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,600
There's that one at the like at
the very end where Jeff Bridges

776
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,400
called somebody like a human.
What does he call him paraquat?

777
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,500
Yes.
And they like that so much.

778
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,700
They like put it in the movie,
but aside, from that there, the

779
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:59,400
cohens are real sticklers about
hitting every single word.

780
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,300
Exactly.
Right.

781
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:05,000
So, you know, No, if you didn't
write that one I can see how

782
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,100
people are trying to finesse
that into a truth but it's not

783
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,100
really true.
Number three.

784
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:11,800
I just have no idea.
That's true or not.

785
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Jeff Bridges.
Seems cool.

786
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,800
He seems like he would have a
cool band.

787
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,800
And so like I'm just assume.
That's true.

788
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,700
I'm gonna say number two is the
falsehood, just because that, I

789
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:27,200
don't like the semantics of it,
but it's not really true.

790
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,500
Bob, you are 100% correct.
Yeah.

791
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,700
It's also good.
Ooh, wow.

792
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:37,400
So there really was a Northeast
Ohio, Connections, connection

793
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,900
is, so the shirt belonged to a
man named Art Myers, who was the

794
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:46,300
foreman at Medina, Sod in
Medina, Ohio, and was a part of

795
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:49,400
a bowling league in the late
1960s.

796
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,400
A good for him.
Yeah, that's awesome.

797
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,700
Yeah it's incredible.
I so there's a I'll send it to

798
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:57,400
you later.
Bob there's a tweet out there.

799
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,200
I think it's from the Twitter
account movie details, okay?

800
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:07,000
And They have like a clip from
the Akron Beacon article, but I

801
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
haven't been able to find the
full article so it literally

802
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,400
stops in the Middle where it's
like, you know, continue on D4.

803
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,900
But it finishes by saying that
like art Myers kind of

804
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:19,300
disappeared off the map for a
long time, but they found him in

805
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:24,000
Florida for this Akron Beacon
article and then it stops.

806
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,200
And I want to read the rest of
the article.

807
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,500
You know, we've never gotten to
talk about the hometown paper

808
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,300
Brad, but the Akron Beacon
Journal.

809
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,100
Yeah.
Weirdly a hotbed for journalists

810
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:37,600
that went on to like huge
things.

811
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,700
You'd Brian windhorse, try and
Win horse.

812
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,700
You know, I'm a sports beat ya.
Chris Broussard also before he

813
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,300
went to the New York Times, but
then like Chuck Klosterman.

814
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,800
Like he worked at the Beacon
Journal for a number of years.

815
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,600
I guess.
It's a very weird.

816
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600
I don't know what it is about
Northeast, Ohio, we just produce

817
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,600
produced Talent at a rate that
others don't I guess.

818
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,600
LeBron James and the bunch of
journalists.

819
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,100
Yep.
So am I the only one who's seen?

820
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,700
Jeff Bridges in the abiders play
more than one slide?

821
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,300
You?
Yes, you'd be the only one.

822
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,100
They're really good.
They're fantastic.

823
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:11,700
He's a great me.
He's a great musician.

824
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:14,600
Oh, that's awesome.
I started this episode by asking

825
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,100
you like, why is The Big
Lebowski?

826
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,000
The one that's on the cover of
your book?

827
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,100
And you're like, I don't know
and then you've given me a

828
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:24,300
million tiny factoids about how
much this has impacted your

829
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:31,000
life.
Like, I mean, I actually knew

830
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,900
why it was there it was, that's
it's their Center piece of all

831
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,900
of their work.
It's the most cone Brothers of

832
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:41,400
come Brothers films.
Well, I think that's, I mean,

833
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
that's a great segue.
Let's start talking about the

834
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,500
Cohen of it all here, Brad.
I think we can talk the, you

835
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:48,400
know, the directing.
We can talk the writing.

836
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:50,800
I do still want to touch on
Roger deakins at some point

837
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,200
because we've had him twice now
in this three film span.

838
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:56,400
I don't know.
Brad, what are you thinking?

839
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,400
This movie of the five Coen
Brothers films that you've seen.

840
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Now, does this feel Cohen e, or
is it something different to

841
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,400
you?
Does it feel Colony?

842
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,000
Yes.
In certain I think technical

843
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,700
aspects like the script is very
clearly a Cohen script.

844
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,800
It's witty.
It's sharp.

845
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,500
Its fast-paced and it has a
certain catchiness to the way

846
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:28,300
the movie flows that you're
like, oh yeah, this is a Cohen

847
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:31,000
script.
I think that the camera work

848
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,300
throughout the film is very
Cohen E when it comes to the

849
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:38,600
themes.
Yes, I'm trying to think I mean

850
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,500
you look at No Country for Old
Men and you have like kind of

851
00:48:42,508 --> 00:48:46,900
diametrically opposed ideologies
going at one another.

852
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,400
I think it's interesting that in
this one, you have so many

853
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,100
different viewpoints or
ideologies.

854
00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:02,600
Just clashing in this
free-for-all WWE cage match of a

855
00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:05,100
movie.
Does it does that make sense?

856
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:10,100
So I think that on That level it
feels more over the top than

857
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,400
some of the other movies that
we've seen em.

858
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that it definitely

859
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:22,200
is a transitional film,
thematically into what you get

860
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,100
like, you know, I talked about
Inside Llewyn Davis, like they

861
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,500
arrived at the end of that
movie.

862
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:29,600
And it's like, wow, this really
is about nothing.

863
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,700
And it's about the cat.
Yeah, yeah, right.

864
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:37,800
But it's like the cyclical
nature of of Mint and like mine

865
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,300
that movie Just I did not like
it.

866
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:45,200
But either I think this one is
kind of this midpoint where you

867
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,700
get like, you know, I know
you're going to disagree with me

868
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,600
about the chaos theory here
Kathleen, but there's there's so

869
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,800
much Randomness happening and at
the end of it, you kind of just

870
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,200
throw your hands up and say, f
it.

871
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,000
Let's go bowling and there's
obviously deeper themes going

872
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,500
besides that, but this is one of
the first times that I really

873
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:09,900
felt like the cohens, didn't try
super Hard to frame everything

874
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:12,300
into a moral at the end of the
story.

875
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,800
So much of the early work, feels
like a fable, and I kept using

876
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,900
that word especially with
Raising Arizona, I love Raising

877
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:24,800
Arizona, and maybe it's just
because I'm a simpleton who

878
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,900
can't, you know, doesn't like
metaphor.

879
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
But that movie, they they tie it
up with a nice little bow for me

880
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,200
at the end and you don't feel
like they do that with the

881
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,100
basket.
I feel like absolutely do.

882
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,200
That's what whole monologue by
the Earth.

883
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,200
The dialogue with the stranger
at the end.

884
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,900
Yeah.
I mean they definitely tie a bow

885
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:41,800
on it.
I just feel like I have to dig a

886
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,100
little harder to figure out,
like, are they just putting a

887
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:47,200
bow on this for the sake of
putting a bow on this or these

888
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
themes?
Actually earned I would argue

889
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
that there.
Oh please, please argue?

890
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,500
Yeah, this is why you're here.
Yeah, no.

891
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:57,200
I mean II think it's there.
I say, it's their most Coney

892
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:04,200
cone film because these see
these themes that are more and

893
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,100
less obvious and some of their
other films.

894
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:12,400
So, Blatant to me in this one
that this reflects sort of how

895
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,500
Joel and Ethan understand the
world.

896
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,900
So interesting and that there is
chaos, but at the center of that

897
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:21,600
chaos and this is where I would
say that.

898
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,700
I don't think the dude actually
lies to anybody.

899
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,400
If you look carefully and he
certainly doesn't cause Donnie

900
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,200
to get shot or to have a heart
attack.

901
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,900
I mean, the one that's causing
chaos.

902
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,600
Constantly is Walter for sure,
for sure, the dude is trying to

903
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,200
be present and trying to be calm
and trying to be kind.

904
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:48,600
And he is that to a fault, he is
a truth teller, right?

905
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:51,600
He's surrounded.
The plot is filled with liars

906
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,400
and charlatans, but the dude is
not that it is just himself and

907
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:07,900
At the end, we realized that he
is sort of the axis that holds

908
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,000
up this chaotic World.
Hmm.

909
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,000
That ending confrontation with
The Big Lebowski where where he

910
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,500
tells you know the dude or I
guess the dude tells him like

911
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,200
you just wanted a sap to pin it
on and use you saw me and you

912
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,700
saw loser you thought that it
would be easy then don't really

913
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:25,900
care about him.
Yeah.

914
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:27,300
And he says well isn't that
true?

915
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,600
And it's For Laughs, he goes
well, yeah, but it's a really,

916
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,300
it's a really sad moment,
obviously that, that he, he has

917
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:37,800
the self-awareness to
acknowledge himself as a loser,

918
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,300
but some with that seems to be
fine with it.

919
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,700
That's, yeah, that's that's
where the wisdom is that he's

920
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:45,300
like, yeah, care.
What people think of me and he's

921
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:48,500
just present, I mean, you might,
it's easy to chalk, it up to,

922
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,400
oh, he's just stoned the whole
time, but is he You know, I

923
00:52:52,408 --> 00:52:53,200
don't know.
Brad one.

924
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,600
Yes.
Your interpretation is stoned

925
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:02,100
the entire time.
That was done a lot, but yeah,

926
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,800
that was actually one of the
trivia pieces I picked up.

927
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,400
Was that John Goodman would ask
the Coen brothers, know, Jeff,

928
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,300
Bridges, would ask Jeff, what
else would he be Woody?

929
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,300
Lays before this?
Yeah, was efficient.

930
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:16,400
Yes, thank you.
Was he blazed before this

931
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,000
conversation.
He'd rub his knuckles in his

932
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,300
eyes.
His eyes already.

933
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:20,900
Yep.
Which is, which is a brilliant

934
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:22,800
touch.
But like yeah.

935
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:26,300
Yeah.
So this is our last Cohen movie

936
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,300
for this season.
I mean, over this miniseries

937
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,400
especially and I'm trying to put
it into context, I'm trying to

938
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,100
Define, I keep calling things Co
any like, what does that even

939
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,600
mean?
Did you see you know, because

940
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,700
you your book deals with 2009
and prior in their filmography,

941
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,500
is there like a consistent?
I want to say theme or moral

942
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:48,300
that they keep hitting upon.
But yes, okay, what would you

943
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:52,500
identify that?
As it sits Fairly simple.

944
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,900
But quite powerful.
Like, if in the in the moral

945
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:02,800
Universe in the moral coma,
verse, if you're decent and

946
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,700
kind, you should be rewarded.
But the world is not a fair

947
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:12,000
place and so you might not be
hmm.

948
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:18,400
If you screw with people, And
especially if you're unkind to

949
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,100
people that you think are
beneath you, you're going to

950
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:26,400
wind up in a wood chipper.
That's there's a little there's

951
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,200
a little bit more to it but
that's basically it.

952
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:36,000
But that is it like kindness?
Kindness is the most that the

953
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,700
highest moral thing you can do
in the universe and that gets us

954
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:43,600
back to Marge Gunderson again.
There you go.

955
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:46,500
You know that's all for a little
bit of money is the the patron

956
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,200
saint of the cohens universe
honestly.

957
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:55,200
And you know, and a lot of their
anti-heroes or Yeah, anti-heroes

958
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,300
is I don't think there are any
actual Heroes and Coen, Brothers

959
00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:59,600
films.
I mean, you could argue about

960
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,300
Marge but she's also really
human.

961
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:06,000
Our get knocked down and keep
getting up.

962
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,300
Hmm, over and over and over
again without complaint and

963
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:12,500
they're not high and mighty and
they don't think too much of

964
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:14,900
themselves and they're not
self-deluded.

965
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:21,300
They're just decent people.
Yeah, I'm trying to trying to

966
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
get, I'm trying to collect my
thoughts here.

967
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,600
I think that the dude does those
things.

968
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Well, I just don't always
believe that he has a strong

969
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:42,000
internal motivating guidance
system if you will, the the way

970
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,700
he's portrayed is so laksa days.
Ethical and so like he just

971
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:52,500
takes every moment and just kind
of like Ponders it for a second.

972
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:56,400
Yeah, I don't know if I always
believe that he really has a

973
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,900
moral compass as much as he's
just kind of like hey just stop

974
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,000
causing problems for people, I
guess like don't do that.

975
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Not I guess though.
You know, he's incredibly kind

976
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,600
like he shows up for his
landlords dance cycle and gives

977
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:14,900
him.
No.

978
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:18,600
It's because the guy asked him
to and he also doesn't have him,

979
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,700
but he also doesn't pay him rent
and that's not a very kind thing

980
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:24,300
to do.
It's not.

981
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:29,500
But it's, it's not, you know, I
got a feeling that that guy was

982
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,500
the manager and didn't actually
own the property, that was my

983
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,600
sense.
But I mean, yeah, what I added

984
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,400
distance, I used to argue that
he in, as I say, in my book, I

985
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,800
argue that he's much more of a
moral figure from Judea.

986
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,200
Take perspective this lament
vapnik these.

987
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,300
These holy people that don't
realize that they are that sort

988
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,400
of hold up the rest of the human
race of God doesn't destroy us.

989
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,800
It comes out of a Sodom and
Gomorrah story, but I actually

990
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,300
think more and more that he is a
Mystic.

991
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:07,500
He's just really present.
And that, I don't know that he

992
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:09,600
would use the word.
I'm almost sure that he wouldn't

993
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,000
use the word world morale,
because you'd be like, well,

994
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,900
what is that anyway, man?
He just tries to show up for

995
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,800
People, and to be decent.
Hmm.

996
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200
I mean, forgive me for asking
such an obvious question to sir.

997
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,100
I mean, there's a reason I have
to feel like there is a reason

998
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,800
that they make lebowski's
character look so much like the

999
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,000
judeo Christian, you know, white
male history paintings of Jesus.

1000
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Like, it's the long hair, it's
the beard.

1001
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:40,900
The, I feel like they, they and
they explicitly, you know, at

1002
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:44,400
the end, the closing narration
by Sam Elliott, he talks about

1003
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,900
the dude, Being out there for
all of us, sinners for all

1004
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:50,500
Sinners.
And I just wonder if there's

1005
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:54,500
something to the idea that they
purposely are calling.

1006
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,200
They call him a man for our
times.

1007
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,500
Like, if this is the, the SoCal,
the SoCal.

1008
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:05,100
Jesus of the 1990s, in some way.
Like, I don't know.

1009
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:07,600
There's just too many things on
Brothers.

1010
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,400
Films is by accident.
Yeah, nothing.

1011
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:12,500
Yeah.
And so yeah, I'm sure that was

1012
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:15,500
somewhat intentional.
I mean, it was the Actor was

1013
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:19,400
based on a real guy who In
fairness looked and dressed a

1014
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,400
lot like the Lebowski character.
But, I mean he's definitely a

1015
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,100
Christ figure.
I mean, he's even though it's

1016
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,500
Donnie.
Who is the sacrificial lamb?

1017
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:32,900
Right to give anything away
folks.

1018
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,400
But yeah, I mean he's done, he
functions that way.

1019
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,700
He is persecuted for his
essentially for his trying to do

1020
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:45,800
the right, just thing.
Yeah over and over and over

1021
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,500
again and keeps getting up and
keeps trying to right the wrong

1022
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:54,200
and keeps trying to get his
simple form of Justice which is

1023
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,400
just have his rug replaced
because he was mistaken for a

1024
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,200
really bad man.
Yeah.

1025
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,600
But your anything, if anytime
anybody says, do you think that

1026
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,200
the Coen Brothers newt Yes,
right.

1027
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,300
Absolutely be like asking, do
you think Wes Anderson knew that

1028
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:18,500
you could see the wallpaper?
Yes, you sir?

1029
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:24,100
Oh, tours there aren't very many
of them, but they are very,

1030
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,100
very, very specific about an
intentional, but everything that

1031
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:33,100
goes into the film fastidious.
Maybe not, as fastidious as our

1032
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:36,700
beloved West, but right?
Yes, yes, yeah.

1033
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,100
I feel like a wise man.
Once called, Wes Anderson,

1034
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:44,800
fastidious repeatedly bride.
I don't want to get too far out

1035
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,000
of the like, let's look at this
on a deep level thing, but I do

1036
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,400
want to come back to Roger
deakins cinematography.

1037
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,600
This is a longtime collaborator
with the cohens nine films, I

1038
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,300
think.
Yeah, something like that.

1039
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,300
And this sounds really, the
sounds really dumb to say, but

1040
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:03,500
I'm, you know, I'm a child of
the 90s and I feel like there is

1041
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:10,000
a very strong like Delineating
Mark of when movies, stop

1042
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,100
looking like 90s movies.
And when they started looking

1043
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,400
like 21st Century movies, and
I'm talking like, specifically

1044
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,300
about the, the use of high
contrast in like the really

1045
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:22,700
crisp, like black levels on
screen.

1046
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:25,300
It's kind of like, when you
watch a movie from the 70s, like

1047
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:29,500
the film stock they were using,
it's unmistakably a 1970s film.

1048
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:33,200
And there's something about
there's a very flat lower

1049
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,600
contrast.
Look to, You know, you'll watch

1050
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,900
a movie like Braveheart It looks
like 1995.

1051
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:40,700
I don't know how else to explain
that to anyone.

1052
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:45,200
It just looks like 95 yeah even
in some of deacons earlier 90s

1053
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,300
stuff like Shawshank and like
Fargo hmm.

1054
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,200
They look like they were made in
the mid 90s and then this movie

1055
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,700
Brad I'm watching it last night
and I'm like I can't believe

1056
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,700
this movie's 25 years old.
All right, just because of I

1057
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,500
mean the pacing of it is so
different than what you would

1058
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,500
get in 90s comedies.
So there's a lot of Cohen that

1059
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:07,000
goes into that too, but the look
of Of it.

1060
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,800
This is where I really feel like
Roger deakins became the Roger

1061
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,200
deakins that cinematographers
worship.

1062
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,500
Like there's just something
about the look of this movie.

1063
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,600
That it feels like a turning
point into what you get a few

1064
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,500
years later with a Brother Where
Art Thou all the way through to

1065
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:24,900
movies, like sicario.
So, I don't know.

1066
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,600
I don't know if it, I don't know
if it makes sense to say, like,

1067
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,300
this really doesn't seem like
he's started doing something

1068
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,600
visually different.
I really noticed it with that

1069
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,600
sort of like, higher contrast,
but I don't know if you guys

1070
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,900
Notice, you know, anything
visually about this movie that

1071
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:41,900
you'd like to call out.
Well, the, the shot that

1072
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:43,600
everybody always talks about
that, I don't think I've ever

1073
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,100
seen done anywhere else.
Although he often does a shot

1074
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,300
like this in a cone film, to
usually, it's at the beginning

1075
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:55,500
of the end, is the shot from
inside the bowling ball.

1076
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,600
Hmm.
He said, a lot of shots where

1077
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,600
you like trying to remember,
which film it is the part and

1078
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,100
Frank, where you come up, that's
not Barton Fink where you come

1079
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:08,100
up through.
The pipes into the sink or

1080
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:11,000
somebody's brushing their teeth.
That's, like, the opening shot

1081
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:18,000
or it's a big tall.
Expansive shot, or a big wide

1082
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,200
Street shot.
They always have.

1083
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,700
There's always one sort of like,
oh, I know who's shooting this,

1084
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,300
and this is definitely a cone
film.

1085
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:30,800
When I see, when I see it.
And I always go back to the

1086
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:34,400
pudding in this 19th.
They were shooting this 1997

1087
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,300
with whatever technology.
Existed.

1088
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:41,500
Then he put a camera inside a
bowling ball.

1089
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,900
I mean, it's the most
mesmerizing, I always back it up

1090
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,000
and watched a couple times
because I'm like, what am I

1091
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,600
actually seeing?
Yeah.

1092
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:55,200
And I and I know that the cones
are very fastidious about how

1093
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,900
they want things shot that they
love collaborating with him

1094
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:01,500
because he pulls off these crazy
shots that they want.

1095
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,100
And again, I don't think
anything that the Coen Brothers

1096
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,500
do in their films is accidental.
And I think that was meant to

1097
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:11,800
reflect a sensibility in the
film.

1098
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:16,300
Yeah, I think for me as I
watched it the movie that it

1099
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,900
reminded me, most of and
especially the scenes of them

1100
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,800
driving around, it felt like a
really cleaned up version of

1101
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,500
Pulp Fiction.
Huh?

1102
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,500
That like Pulp Fiction has the
look of 90s movies.

1103
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,700
Like you were saying, Saying,
but it instead of Braveheart

1104
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:38,500
being really washed out and, you
know, just it's hard to tell

1105
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:40,500
anything apart from anything
else.

1106
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:46,300
I think that in, in Pulp Fiction
and in this, you get this bright

1107
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:50,900
sunny version of Los Angeles
where people are driving around

1108
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:54,800
having conversations and
interacting with the environment

1109
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,800
around them.
And I don't know.

1110
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,500
There's something about that
that just hit for me.

1111
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:03,700
That I was like, wow, this is a
really a beautiful movie about a

1112
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:09,500
rundown City.
Yeah, it is interesting it to

1113
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:11,100
me.
What's interesting about what

1114
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,200
you just said is that a lot of
the color that you're talking

1115
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,400
about happens inside?
Yeah, the bowling alley, which

1116
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,800
was an actual bullets at there
anymore, but it was an actual

1117
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,200
bowling alley.
They shot in 43.

1118
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,700
I think it was three or four
weeks back in the day and then

1119
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:31,000
you have these shots that are,
you know, supposedly in Bel Air

1120
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,500
or what have you.
And I live here, right?

1121
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,900
Where I Think they're
Overexposed and the colors a

1122
01:04:38,908 --> 01:04:44,400
little washed out hmm like Los
Angeles or California is not

1123
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,000
actually that bright they're
just like trying to make it look

1124
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,100
dreamier or like what you mean.
Yes I think they were trying to

1125
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,000
make it look, trim your because
the colors that actually occur

1126
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,600
in Los Angeles are kind of more
vibrant.

1127
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,700
Sure.
The video the exterior scenes

1128
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:04,400
that you see, hmm, except except
when they're inside the bowling

1129
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,200
alley.
Or it's an external seen at

1130
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,100
night and then you see the sort
of glowing and the color and the

1131
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,300
like that scene at the beach or
even the scenes in the parking

1132
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:21,000
lot, outside the bowling alley,
you know, they're darker.

1133
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,100
The contrast is definitely
there, but those colors that's

1134
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:27,300
very, very much what Los Angeles
looks like.

1135
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,400
But when you go into the big
lebowski's world, it's washed

1136
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,300
out.
Well, Brad, you've already kind

1137
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:36,600
of segue doesn't do our last
segment of the day, which we

1138
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,700
called make it a double.
This is where we pair the movie

1139
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:44,000
up with another one to make a
double feature of sorts did now,

1140
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,100
would you pick Pulp Fiction as
your make it a double?

1141
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:52,500
No, no, no, no.
Pulp Fiction is a vassal?

1142
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:55,500
Well, I mean, there, there are
certain elements and I think

1143
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:59,300
about it that kind of match,
just the all the different kind

1144
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:03,300
of plots intertwining on
themselves, but no, No, I'm not

1145
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,100
going to pair this with Pulp
Fiction.

1146
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:10,800
I'm going to pair it with a much
way more terrible movie.

1147
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:16,100
Oh goody, what's that?
I honestly was trying.

1148
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,900
I was, I've been racking my
brain this entire episode.

1149
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:23,400
Trying to think of another
comedy that could even come near

1150
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,000
the realm of this mine.
I couldn't think I couldn't

1151
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,600
figure it out.
I wonder if it's going to be the

1152
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,200
same as mine.
I guarantee you.

1153
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,300
It won't.
Okay.

1154
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:36,100
I am gonna pair this with 1980
fives.

1155
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,700
Clue.
Oh my God, that's really it.

1156
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:47,200
Yes, I just, yeah, like, that
movie has the energy of The Big

1157
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,900
Lebowski, you know, it's much
more zany.

1158
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,600
Much more, you know, fast-paced
in the sense that they don't

1159
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,200
have a main character, whose
motto is the Dude abides.

1160
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,500
But I'm going to pair it with
clue because I think watching

1161
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:05,400
those two movies back to back
would be a wild experience.

1162
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:10,300
Which ending of clue though.
Oh, that's you know that part II

1163
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:13,100
will allow the movie to choose
for me.

1164
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,900
No, no, no.
I'll just, I will just abide

1165
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,000
Catholic.
I remember when that came out,

1166
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,500
we're like, what that's done
endings.

1167
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:23,400
What you have to go, see it more
than once.

1168
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,500
It was a sort of a brilliant
marketing term, but eat that.

1169
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:27,100
Yeah, wow, that's a good
pairing.

1170
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,100
I endorse that.
All right, well, you're going to

1171
01:07:30,107 --> 01:07:33,200
hate my hearing because I went
to a much more conventional

1172
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,900
route, so the slightest push
back.

1173
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:38,100
I'll give you on all of your
brilliant points.

1174
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:40,200
You've made today Kathleen is
that I do agree with Brad a

1175
01:07:40,207 --> 01:07:42,400
little bit that there are
moments in the movie where the

1176
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,100
dude gets caught in a lie and it
actually leads to my favorite,

1177
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:48,600
like one of my favorite moments
of the movie where he's in the

1178
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,300
limo with the other Lebowski and
Brandt.

1179
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,100
And he's like, yeah, we dropped
it off and he goes we and then

1180
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:03,000
he calls me goes the royal.
We, you know, white lie and

1181
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,900
there's something about the way
that you can see the gears

1182
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:09,800
turning.
As he processes his own lie that

1183
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,300
Brad, it reminded me of one of
my favorite movies that is,

1184
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:16,000
we've debated on here as a
comedy and that's the way that

1185
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,399
Jack Black gets caught in his
lies in the School of Rock.

1186
01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:22,000
And now, listen, listen.
I, I did not want to open the

1187
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,899
can of worms of you.
Crapping on a movie that I

1188
01:08:24,907 --> 01:08:27,700
really liked, but it did remind
me.

1189
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:30,300
I said, okay, No, man.
It's kind of like the School of

1190
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:33,600
Rock, but like, if Jack Black
was more of a Stoner and then I

1191
01:08:33,608 --> 01:08:36,600
realized Jack Black made a movie
like three years after this,

1192
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:41,100
where he essentially played a
discount store version of the

1193
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:46,000
dude, and it's a movie called
Orange County and it's, it's not

1194
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,600
a great movie.
But if you want to ride the wave

1195
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,100
of Southern California, Stoner
culture, with some sort of heist

1196
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:57,899
thing mixed in, I think that you
could do worse than pairing

1197
01:08:57,899 --> 01:09:03,100
those up with orange, T.
Yeah, I love Jack Black and I

1198
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:05,500
think I did too.
And I love, I mean I honestly I

1199
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:07,500
wish I wanted to pair with the
School of Rock, but I'm trying

1200
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,000
to stretch my boundaries here a
little bit.

1201
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,500
So got it.
Well, and and yeah.

1202
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:17,000
And Jack Black is also, I think,
in much the same Mr. Bridges way

1203
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:17,600
mr.
Bridges.

1204
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,700
I think he often is playing a
lot of himself.

1205
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,899
Mmm.
Yep.

1206
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,200
So the movie that I immediately
thought of which you probably

1207
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,399
haven't seen.
Maybe you have, it's a fairly

1208
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:32,600
new film, but when I think If
the spirit of this film and the

1209
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,100
character of the dude and then
the characters in this film,

1210
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:41,200
about to tell you about, I think
they would pair brilliantly and

1211
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,200
this this film and I'm going to
name is also a little bit.

1212
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,800
I've described it.
Like if late 90s, Coen,

1213
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,700
brothers, and Wes Anderson had a
baby and it was set in Wales.

1214
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,500
It would be.
This film is called Brian and

1215
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:58,100
Charles.
Have you seen it?

1216
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:00,600
No, I haven't even heard of it.
It's beautiful.

1217
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,400
It came out last year, it's a
small film.

1218
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:11,400
Hmm, about a guy who is an
outlier for sure, an eccentric,

1219
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,300
who lives on a rural Farm, in
Wales, his family has clearly

1220
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:21,400
died.
He makes inventions out of junk,

1221
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:25,500
mmm.
And and he decides, he finds

1222
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,000
something by the side of the
road one day and decides that

1223
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,700
he's going to build a robot and
it actually comes to life.

1224
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:34,300
His name is Charles and he lives
with him and Charles just

1225
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,500
develops and actual
Consciousness.

1226
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:41,200
And he goes through the stages
of like childhood development in

1227
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,300
about three weeks, until he has
to be given his freedom, and

1228
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:48,200
then there's consequences to
that.

1229
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:54,600
And it's this absolutely
Charming Beautiful film about.

1230
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:57,300
About friendship and about
family.

1231
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,100
And I feel when I saw it, I said
the thing about the Coen

1232
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:07,800
brothers, and Wes having a baby
but also just the tender

1233
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,600
thematic stuff in The Big
Lebowski about friendship is

1234
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,300
also echoed in this film.
So, that's the one I would

1235
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:17,000
choose.
If I had to choose a cone

1236
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,500
Brothers film to pair with The
Big Lebowski.

1237
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,200
It would be the ladykillers
which if you haven't seen, you

1238
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,300
really must.
I think it's one of their most

1239
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:29,100
underrated films.
I love the plugs for the

1240
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:31,800
ladykillers.
Like not, not what I do.

1241
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,700
Good mentioned on this podcast,
but I'm so so good.

1242
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:38,600
I've come to love it more over
the years, it's just got such

1243
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,400
brilliant performances.
All right?

1244
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,400
Well it's pretty clear, that
Kathleen has thought way more

1245
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,300
deeply about make it a double
than Brad and I have ever take

1246
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:53,100
her word at face value here.
All we have left to do now is

1247
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:55,500
give this movie A score and
while we do that, I want to talk

1248
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:56,900
a little bit about this naked
lady.

1249
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,600
Oh yeah.
And when I refer to this naked

1250
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,800
lady, I'm talking about this
bottle of product is, it's very

1251
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,800
weird to just continually say,
you know, Brad I just feel like

1252
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,600
the advertisements for this can
go in so many directions, you

1253
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,700
know, like, yeah.
When I get home from work, you

1254
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:15,100
know what?
I like a naked little what?

1255
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,100
So in naked lady on the Rocks.
Yeah, it's naked lady without

1256
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:25,300
any vowels.
So light and Kad ldy, Which I

1257
01:12:25,308 --> 01:12:28,700
think is, brilliant, naked,
naked litter.

1258
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,700
Right.
We've worked out some Brands

1259
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:33,200
over the course of our podcast
that have like really come in

1260
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,200
clutch for us.
My relationship with naked lady

1261
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:40,100
has been about a week old, they
followed us on Instagram, it was

1262
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:42,900
the most fortuitous thing ever.
Kathleen's was like, Hey can you

1263
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:46,700
try to find a whiskey
alternative and we've worked

1264
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:48,900
with a company in the past but I
didn't want to like reach out to

1265
01:12:48,907 --> 01:12:51,700
them for more free product.
So I was like, man, I gotta find

1266
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,800
another one and I get on
Instagram.

1267
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:57,700
A gram right after receiving
this email from Kathleen and I

1268
01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:00,500
found that they had followed our
account nakedly.

1269
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:03,400
I've never heard of them before,
let me neither and I go hey,

1270
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,900
thanks so much for the follow.
Would you like to immediately

1271
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:08,500
send us free product?
Because I really need someone.

1272
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:11,200
So they were I mean you know
they sent all three of us a

1273
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,200
bottle of this.
It retail our I believe. $35 so

1274
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,700
is right in line with other
whiskey Alternatives.

1275
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,700
Eat a bread.
This is I think the first time

1276
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:21,800
we've ever really reviewed one
of these on the show before, I'd

1277
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,200
like to give a couple notes on
it.

1278
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:24,700
I've got it poured out in front
of me.

1279
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:26,600
Lean to you.
Seem to be somewhat of a

1280
01:13:26,608 --> 01:13:28,400
connoisseur of these types of
beverages.

1281
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,800
This is my like, my second one
ever.

1282
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,200
So, yeah, I am a connoisseur of
these and kind of briefly tell

1283
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,200
the kind listeners.
Why I don't I'm not drinking

1284
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,500
right now.
Sure, please.

1285
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:41,100
Yeah, please do.
It's not a tale of Woe.

1286
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:42,800
It's up because it's server
January.

1287
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,000
It's because I was bitten by a
rattlesnake three months, four

1288
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:53,000
months ago Really, that's a CO
anything to happen and

1289
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,200
Randomness and I wasn't and I'm
a big hiker, but I wasn't hiking

1290
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,000
when it happened.
I just stepped outside the house

1291
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,600
to take a selfie at Sunset and I
didn't put my boots on and I

1292
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,300
stepped on the wrong place.
And I surprised a baby

1293
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:08,500
rattlesnake it bit me in the
right ankle and I was anyway so

1294
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:11,600
I'm I survived it.
Thank God for science.

1295
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,800
It was one of my stepsons is a
surgeon and he said well thank

1296
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,400
God.
It wasn't a hundred years ago,

1297
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,200
because they would have just
shot your leg off.

1298
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,400
I'm like, oh, thanks Dan.
Oh, that's reassuring.

1299
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:25,900
Great.
But anyway, because of that,

1300
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:28,900
because and baby, I don't know
if you know this about

1301
01:14:28,900 --> 01:14:30,700
rattlesnakes.
I did not before this happened.

1302
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,300
Baby Rattlers are worst than
adult Rattlers because baby

1303
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:36,100
Rattlers.
Don't know how to control the

1304
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,400
Venom mmm.
And so they just kind of go.

1305
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:44,200
Yeah.
And I ended up getting 40 vials

1306
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,000
of antivenom.
Oh my gosh.

1307
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,800
Over a five days.
And I see you anyway, because of

1308
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,100
that.
I'm not allowed.

1309
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:54,500
I'm uh, supposed to drink for a
year to just let my liver

1310
01:14:55,700 --> 01:15:01,300
reading from the toxins.
Your liver is like the gone

1311
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:03,400
through the wood.
Chipper, the end of.

1312
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:10,000
That was a lot.
Yeah, I'm a bourbon gal before

1313
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,800
this So and I like a cocktail
especially in the winter time

1314
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,800
and I can't.
And so I've tried to find things

1315
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:21,000
that right either replicate the
experience, the ritual of having

1316
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,400
a cocktail or the experience as
much as possible.

1317
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:32,500
And I have to say that Nicoletta
is surprisingly close in the

1318
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:37,100
experience and the nose is
great.

1319
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:40,900
It's D alcoholized bourbon.
Which how do you?

1320
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,500
How does one?
Yeah, you know, the copy on

1321
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:47,200
their bottle says that they re
distill it and in doing so, I

1322
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,400
mean you know, the the vapor of
the alcohol comes off of it.

1323
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,700
So I assume that whatever is
left behind.

1324
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,500
This is like completed whiskey.
It's been in the barrel.

1325
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:58,200
So yeah, they're hoping to
retain the oak character and

1326
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,800
some of that great.
Noah, honestly, for me, on the

1327
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,000
nose of this, I get a lot, a lot
of Apple, like green apple on

1328
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,500
this for me.
And then there's like, just a

1329
01:16:07,508 --> 01:16:09,800
tiny hint of like a medicinal,
almost Brad.

1330
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,400
Like a like a cough syrup.
Be kind of note, hmm.

1331
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:15,400
And I'm like, it's not bad at
all.

1332
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:18,900
And when you taste it, it I
mean, truly, I mean, this in the

1333
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:22,400
best possible way like it tastes
like when you have a whiskey on

1334
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,500
the rocks and you finish it but
then there's like a some

1335
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:28,100
residual whiskey in there, you
let the ice melt and then you

1336
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:30,500
just take a golf.
Of that, it's like water down

1337
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:32,800
whiskey.
We have is honestly like the I

1338
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,200
think the best thing that a
product like this can shoot for

1339
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,600
because these are not usually
intended to be, you know, sipped

1340
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:39,800
on neat.
They're usually meant to be

1341
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,100
mixed into some sort of a
mocktail and replicate that

1342
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:46,600
experience but honestly it
stands up pretty well neat and

1343
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,300
does it has quite a bit of
spiciness to it on the back of

1344
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:52,600
your throat.
Like yeah, good.

1345
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:55,200
Yeah, I'm having.
I just poured myself a second

1346
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,100
one and I normally don't do
that.

1347
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:02,000
And what I Really appreciate a
lot of these.

1348
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,000
Liquor Alternatives.
I mean, there's tons of them out

1349
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,300
there.
I've tried almost all of them

1350
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:09,700
had never heard of this one
before, but I'm good.

1351
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,100
I'm their new biggest fan.
Let me tell you, they don't,

1352
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,900
there's not a lot of sugar in
this.

1353
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:17,900
There's a lot of them jack up
the sugar, and I can't, I can't

1354
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:20,400
do that either.
And so, I'm cognizant of both of

1355
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,900
the things.
This is going to be my new best

1356
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:24,700
friend through what we call
winter here in Southern

1357
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:27,200
California.
I was going to say.

1358
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,900
I think, for me, on the, on the
nose, it's almost kind of like a

1359
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,900
dark chocolate that has sat in
your cupboard a little bit too

1360
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:42,000
long, and it's kind of like
this, like, like shavings off of

1361
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:42,900
that.
Dark chocolate.

1362
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:45,800
Okay.
Like a little bit, little bit.

1363
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,300
Musty Dusty chocolate.
Yes, just a dark chocolate.

1364
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:53,200
It'll do in a pinch.
Kind of like a last resort.

1365
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,100
Dark chocolate, the back of a
cupboard.

1366
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,400
Exactly.
And it'll do in a pinch and I

1367
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:01,200
think you're right, when you get
into the actual drinking

1368
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,600
experience, it tastes like Okay.
Watered-down whiskey that has

1369
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,800
some really unique spices going
on.

1370
01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:13,800
So I think that - lady is is is
pretty beautiful.

1371
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,500
If I do say so myself.
Anybody else smell?

1372
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,400
They all spice in there.
Oh, for sure.

1373
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:21,300
Yeah.
And I almost wondered like what

1374
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,900
if they added any spices to
this?

1375
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:25,400
It's very I mean you know
there's no floaties in here or

1376
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,100
anything but no no it's the way
it attacks.

1377
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:30,400
Your throat is like it, it's not
nice.

1378
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,400
It doesn't burn your tongue, it
has that lasting kind of Cayenne

1379
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,000
pepper effect, and I really like
that.

1380
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,100
Yeah, I do too.
I do too.

1381
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,700
Well done.
Nicoletti.

1382
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:42,200
All right.
So naked lady has done a really

1383
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,100
good job.
How have the cohens done?

1384
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:46,700
Is the question before us Brad?
What would you give this movie

1385
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:50,700
out of 10?
You know, I enjoyed this movie.

1386
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,700
It was fabulously.
Fun II didn't even mention him

1387
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:58,800
in my bride explains but John
Goodman steals the show for me.

1388
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:04,000
Jeff Bridges is fine and I know
that might be sacrilege For like

1389
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,100
dentists out there Perl
clutching, the Twilight Walter

1390
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:12,700
sobchak is an incredible
character.

1391
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:16,300
And I love what John does with
that performance for sure.

1392
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:21,400
So, I I'll tell you this
Kathleen, I'll give this movie

1393
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,100
one more shot at some point in
my life.

1394
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:28,000
Please do I promise you, it's a
second third viewing kind of

1395
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,100
felt, but for now, I will give
it a 7 out of 10.

1396
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:34,500
Fair.
Here's where I'm at.

1397
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:36,100
Brad.
I'll let our guests go last

1398
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:39,500
because she's much more
enthusiastic about this than we

1399
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:43,100
are part of the part of the
covert reason.

1400
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:46,900
I asked, Kathleen to come on for
this episode is because I'd only

1401
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:50,000
seen this movie once before and
did not like it.

1402
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:53,900
And I was like, you know, I want
a Counterpoint.

1403
01:19:53,900 --> 01:19:55,900
I want someone who has
convincing arguments to, come

1404
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:59,100
on, unfairly.
I will always compare this to

1405
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:01,300
Raising Arizona.
I discovered Raising Arizona

1406
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:04,200
about a year and a half ago and
It immediately became one of my

1407
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,100
favorite american comedies of
all time.

1408
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:08,400
I think it's a ten out of Ten
Perfect film.

1409
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:11,000
Wow.
And this is a very different.

1410
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,000
Like this is about as far from
Raising Arizona as you can get,

1411
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,700
in terms of like, you know,
within their own body of work in

1412
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:23,400
terms of like just Vibes and
pacing, and I'm still not the

1413
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,600
world's biggest fan of it, but I
completely agree with Kathleen

1414
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,400
that second time around, this
was a substantially better

1415
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,700
experience than it was the first
few times.

1416
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,900
I'm gonna give it a seven point
five out of ten.

1417
01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:39,400
They're keep watching it
gentlemen.

1418
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:45,300
All right will do.
But that said I think I might

1419
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,400
surprise you.
First of all, this is not my

1420
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,200
favorite Coen Brothers.
Okay, but you'll have to have me

1421
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,600
back for a different episode to
find out what that is always

1422
01:20:54,600 --> 01:21:00,300
welcome.
I feel like It's not a 10 out of

1423
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:03,200
10 for me.
I feel like it's an eight and a

1424
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:10,300
half or a nine mmm, which would
be slightly higher than I would

1425
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:14,500
give Raising Arizona and
slightly lower than I would give

1426
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:16,800
Fargo.
Which is also not my favorite

1427
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:23,900
comb Brothers film.
So it's not perfect but it's

1428
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,800
wonderfully in perfect.
Hmm.

1429
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,900
It's the most perfectly.
Imperfect film in my favorites,

1430
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,300
in my top five films.
All right.

1431
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:35,900
Brad snap.
Judgment rank.

1432
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:40,200
The three comedies that we just
did O Brother Where Art Thou.

1433
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:46,500
Number one this Big Lebowski
number two and Raising Arizona

1434
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:47,900
number seven.
Wow.

1435
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,200
All right.
Number seven gosh.

1436
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,300
I just sometimes man well we'll
be taking application and it's

1437
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,500
sometimes there's a man and that
is not Brad.

1438
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:02,000
Alright, so there you have it.
Those are our scores for the

1439
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:04,600
almost had Raising Arizona.
Those are our scores for the Big

1440
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,900
Lebowski, but we would like to
know what you think you can find

1441
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:12,100
us on our social media accounts,
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1442
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:14,700
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1443
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:18,100
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1444
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:21,400
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1445
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,300
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1446
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,400
At the end of every single one
of our show notes.

1447
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,000
Once again, we've been joined
today by Kathleen, false oniy

1448
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,800
off.
Author of the Dude, abides, a

1449
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,500
fantastic breakdown of the Coen
Brothers films Kathleen.

1450
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:35,400
Where can people find you to
give you a follow?

1451
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:43,400
I am on mostly Twitter and
Instagram and my handles the

1452
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,300
both on is the same on both.
Excuse me.

1453
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:49,500
I think it's all that.
The alcoholized bourbon going to

1454
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:52,700
my head.
It's at God girl.

1455
01:22:52,700 --> 01:23:00,200
G0d grrl know, I g0d grrl.
And from there, you can also

1456
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,600
find my sub stack, which is
where I write most often.

1457
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,900
Well, thank you so much for
joining us today.

1458
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:08,300
This was wonderful.
It was delightful gentleman.

1459
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:11,700
Thank you so much for having me.
We will be back next Monday,

1460
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:15,600
kicking off our last mini series
of the Season, Brad, it's the

1461
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,700
listener pick and the listeners
have picked, Michael Mann, to

1462
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:22,100
finish.
I'll make a series well, so

1463
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:24,500
we'll be back next week.
Starting with his 2004 film

1464
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:29,200
collateral, but until then, I'm
Bob book, I'm Reggie and we'll

1465
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:29,700
see you next time.
Reggie and we'll see you next

1466
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:30,100
time.