The Apartment / Bunnahabhain 12

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In 1960 director, Billy Wilder
and star Jack Lemmon gave the

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world a peek into the sleazy
world of high class.

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Manhattan in 2021.
We return to the Ila region for

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a single malt.
Scotch the film is the

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apartment.
The whiskey is banana hovind 12

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and we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at the
1960 Best Picture Winner, Billy

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Wilder's, the apartment Brad.
I have been waiting to talk.

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About this movie for years.
And I purposely did not put it

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in our first few seasons because
I you're still a wild card, man.

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You're such a wild card.
I never know what you're going

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to think of a movie.
The way you said that have you

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just like never spoken of this
movie a single time.

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You've just like watched it and
know I've a kylin I've just been

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running on the journal, your
thoughts.

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I've been running down the
street just like shaking people

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and say have you seen it?
Have you seen the other are not

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know.
Honestly Brad this is Is this is

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one of my favorite films of all
time and watching it again.

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I you know, I haven't washed it
since we started doing the

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podcast because I wanted to wait
and watch it with the more

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critical eye.
Again, I can't wait to get into

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talking about it.
I sincerely hope you liked it,

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but before we get into any of
those questions, the most

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important question, Brad, had
you seen had you heard of the

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movie, the apartment prior to
watching it for our podcast,

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Bro?
You've got me on two weeks in a

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row of movies that I'd never
even heard of, man.

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You know, I'm kind of surprised
you.

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I heard of this one especially
since you have been such a big

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fan of the to Billy Wilder
movies that we've done to this

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point.
I thought maybe you would have

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gone and looked kind of looked
through his filmography at some

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point but bro, know if we win
I'm taking minimal effort some

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sort of cinephile, Didi's, get
degrees.

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That's dude, I gotta say man, is
we got the same piece of papers.

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That's right.
All right, so you had not even

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heard of the apartment.
I'm really glad that you went

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into this kind of old and I am
waiting with baited breath to

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hear what you thought of it.
Brad, why don't you just give us

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kind of initial Impressions on
the movie?

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What do you think of it?
I, you know, if All About Eve is

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one of the most underwhelming
Best Picture winners ever.

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I would have to put the
apartment in, probably, like, I

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don't know the top 20 to 30
percent of Best Picture winners,

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I've ever seen.
There you go, like it's solid.

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I like, I can 100% understand
why this Back best picture.

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You know, I think if you put it
up against some of the other

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greats, it would, it would
clearly lose.

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But in the year where, you know,
obviously I don't know what the

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heck was going on in cinema in
1960, but in a year where there

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weren't any other like, massive
contenders, this is just I think

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it's just one of the best films
comedic dramas I've ever seen in

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my life and more emphasis on the
drama.

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You know the comedic elements.
Just barely lighten it up enough

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to make it almost feel like real
life.

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Yeah.
More than like a drama.

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Does that make sense?
Absolutely.

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And Brad I would, I don't want
to correct you right off the bat

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here.
But you did have some idea of

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what was going on in cinema, in
the year 1960, because you and I

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watched Alfred Hitchcock's
Psycho just last season and that

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was the other, you know, kind of
really big popular controversial

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movie that came out in the year
1960.

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So, you know, this is better
than psycho.

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Just looking at those two movies
side-by-side, I really do think

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that this might be kind of an
underrated Needed year for

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Cinema, in terms of really kind
of pushing the medium forward.

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And talking about things that
hadn't been talked about, you

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know, just from Some Like It Hot
to this movie, I feel like Billy

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Wilder, really took a deep dive
into some themes that you, you

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just didn't see explored in
mainstream entertainment in that

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time period.
Yeah, I mean you're jumping in

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here with like really heavy
themes of infidelity of suicide

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of a man trying to On his way to
the top, I guess.

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And you just see all these
things, kind of crashing into

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one another, you know, all in
order to tell a simple love

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story.
But I just can't imagine this

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coming out in 1960.
Honestly, Bob, as I was watching

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this, I had two main thoughts
and I'll get to the second one

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eventually.
But my first, main thought was

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this, if you have ever watched
the TV show, Mad Men, the entire

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show was based off of this
movie.

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But have you ever watched mad I
have?

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Yeah, yeah I mean tell me that
I'm wrong.

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No, I will show was based off
the whole vibe is just it's

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right here.
The blueprint was laid.

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Yeah.
And so I think that what you see

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here is, I don't want to call it
like an expose but I think that

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what Wilder was doing was just
this criticism of like men who

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are in power and think that they
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he did that by putting this
unassuming nice guy kind of a

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guy.
Against them.

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And in the end, the nice guy
wins.

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Yeah.
And he's not a sleaze ball, and

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he gets the girl, and it's just
a really cute unique and

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surprisingly deep film.
Well, before we get any further

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Brad, because my sneaking
suspicion will be that, not many

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people will have seen this movie
coming into listening to this

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episode, and I already would
wholeheartedly say, go watch

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this movie, you will not be
disappointed.

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I think this is the kind of
movie even like you said, Brad

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that you may not I come away
from it, loving it, as much as I

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do, where I'm ranking it in like
my top 10 favorite movies ever.

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But I don't really know of
anyone that would watch this

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movie and walk away.
Not having been entertained.

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This just seems like a
crowd-pleasing kind of movie.

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Yeah.
I, you know, for a movie that

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deals with like, incredibly deep
subjects and honestly is almost

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gratuitous in the way that it
shows it for 4 1960, you know,

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which really I would say for
1950s Cinema like Like I would

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say this is one of the more
entertaining films we watched in

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a while.
Yeah, well I mean like now it's

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61 years old and I feel like
some of these scenes especially,

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I mean truly hold up in 2021 and
we'll get to a pretty harrowing

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sequence later on but it
reminded me of a movie that is

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more recent and I think actually
this movie may have done it

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better but before we get into
all that it is time for us to

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talk.
Brad explains.

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This is the part of the podcast,
where Brad breaks down the plot

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of the movie that he Is just
seen often for the first time.

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Obviously that is the case
today.

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Brad.
As you know, we have

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implemented, a strict 60-second
timer on Brad explains this

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year.
Can you walk us through the plot

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of the movie, the apartment in
under one minute?

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Jack Lemmon is a nice guy.
Fred MacMurray is Shirley

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MacLaine is in love with the and
he'd ruins her life.

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She tried to commit suicide.
Jack, Lemmon saves her.

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They fall in love.
Whoo!

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Ooh, all right, you did it in 15
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Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna require
you to go a bit deeper because

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because the one of the big parts
of this movie is the kind of

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like you said, I don't want to
expose, or even satire, but the

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portrayal of corporate America
in the late 1950s early 60s.

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Like, I don't think you can
really talk about this movie

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without talking about the
endless rows and rows of desks

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on this floor, that, that Jack
Clemons character Baxter.

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Works on like the idea of
corporate America, and these

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upper level Executives who think
they're entitled to everything

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really kind of permeates the
whole movie.

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Oh yeah.
No II called him a.

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I thought we all knew that that
was just like code for Corporate

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America and America.
Yeah, right on, man.

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Absolutely, no.
I honestly, I think that it, I

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don't know it as somebody in
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I feel like it's almost just
taken for granted that like

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High-powered businesses business
executives are just like either

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like average to terrible people.
Like I don't know if there's any

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of them that are really that
good.

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And so there's already such a
distrust of corporate America on

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the average citizens end that I
do feel like it dulls the edge

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of this movie a little bit, but
I can appreciate the fact that

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this is probably one of the
first like honest attempts at

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saying, hey, like this isn't
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Like all of these people who are
working in this company are real

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people and just because you guys
can go and have your Lover's

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tryst at this dude's apartment
because he's a bachelor, doesn't

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make him worth promoting.
It doesn't make you guys get P.

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Like it's just all bad.
All bad all around Brad.

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As always.
You continue to be incredibly

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eloquent.
It bad all bad.

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It's bad for you bad.
All right it's okay.

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I do want to jump in here and
kind of Round out, Brad explains

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a little bit.
So the the essential plot of the

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movie is that Jack.
Lemons character Baxter is kind

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of a lower level employee
working for this giant Insurance

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firm in New York City and he is
climbing the corporate ladder by

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allowing his superiors.
And people in Administration, in

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this building, to use his
apartment to have affairs in.

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He is lending out his key.
And what I really love about the

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place that the movie starts
Brad, is that you can tell from

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the Beginning of this movie that
we are coming into this

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situation when it's already
spiraling out of control, you

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know what I mean?
Like we don't see the first time

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Jack Lemmon kind of gives his
apartment over to somebody.

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We don't see that slippery
slope, we see Jack Lemmon, you

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know, even though the opening
narration where he's talking

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about how his apartment, so,
great for a bachelor and you

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sound, so chipper, but the way
they're framing it with the

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camera, is this, incredibly
lonely?

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Like there's just an expanse
around him and Jack Lemon is

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just walking down the street
with no one around him and you

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can tell that he is already
feeling this intense loneliness

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and regret for what he's doing
with his apartment to the point

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where, you know, he's basically
been kicked out of his own

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apartment because his boss needs
to you know have an affair and

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he ends up sleeping on a park
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And I really liked that Wilder
allows us as the audience to be

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dropped right into that
situation when it's already

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falling apart and not have to
feel like he needs to walk.

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Us through and give us, you
know, tip us off at every

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instance like oh, this is bad.
You can just tell from the

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beginning.
This guy is in over his head.

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One might say that he drops us
and media rests.

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That's very true.
Boom.

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Brad learned a Latin phrase
today.

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Hey man, I learned that like a
while ago.

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Now, I love one of my favorite
Parts about the opening and

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ending of this film.
I, I love whenever a movie

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bookends things, right?
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And I love that at the start of
this film, you see, Jack Lemmon

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get the wrong key.
You know, the dude leaves the

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wrong key and it's actually the
key to the executive washroom

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but like he gets this key and
it's almost like a symbol of

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like, well one day I'll have
this key and it won't just be

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accidentally left underneath,
you know, my carpet.

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And at the end of the film, what
happens?

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He gives him the key to the
executive washroom back so that

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he can win his love.
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And I just I loved how they
bookended this movie with that,

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you know, kind of Plot device if
you will, Brad, I feel like we

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are slowly, revealing tidbits of
information, about this film to

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our listeners.
And I feel like we should

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probably just go ahead and
completely spoil the whole

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thing.
You know, we do spoilers on this

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podcast.
So, if we haven't already given

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away enough, we're going to go
ahead and just give the whole

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thing away here.
Jack Lemmon is kind of secretly

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pining for has a crush on the
elevator girl played by Shirley

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MacLaine.
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unbeknownst to Jack.
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personnel.
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vice president of this company
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cubic and you come to find it
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movie.
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for Baxter and the second half
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the Fallout of before black of a
better term, you know, aiding

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and abetting this affair not
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himself and his emotions but
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happening with with Fran, Miss
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end of the film, you know, he
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He gets the girl like everything
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even texted me at one point
today and said you were about

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halfway through the movie and
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whole movie and what happens is
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use the apartment for an affair.
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that That has been left behind
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Sheldrake played by Fred
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that they're having the office
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keeps getting promoted
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look at this incredible office
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it's hers because it's cracked
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clicks into place for him.
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one that his boss was.
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She doesn't know that he is the
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Yeah, I mean, what we're talking
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amazing script, right?
And, you know, they're talking

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and he's shown her his office
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you can see his entire tone
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again, one of the signs of a
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move, like, facially from one
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tone to like, sadness and
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And he tries to catch himself.
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It's broken and she goes.
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I like it that way, makes me
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just little moments like that
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they're not funny.
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like, obviously Wilder is known
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something like Could hot.
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You see the depth of sadness in
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self-image and in her
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And you just feel that desire
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figure out what the heck is
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Absolutely and and you feel
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having two different tensions,
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Because Fran is finding out that
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just a Serial you know,
romanticize Iran has had Add

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tons of flings and Baxter is
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been taken in by an older sleaze
ball and neither of them know

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what to do about it.
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room and it just it's just
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Perfect.
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You know, I want to touch on a
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Brad Pitt.
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coming to my mind is the way
that Billy Wilder draws out and

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really makes clear to the
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sense of loneliness in this V
and I talked about it with

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Baxter a little bit.
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MacLaine is feeling it as well,
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this movie really highlights,
the the fact that these are two

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very lonely people and that by
the time that you get to like

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that big office party scene, he
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establishing their motivations
that you notice the contrast

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between everybody outside of
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His door who are having this
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party.
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people can be standing right
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are still so profoundly alone.
I think that Scorsese might have

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something to say about, you
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debaucherous party because for
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thing.
That's very true spread.

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That's very true.
I would like to see this mashed

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up with Wolf of Wall Street,
somehow I was going to say

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that's an easy easy man.
Nothing you could do.

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Yeah, Brett.
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struck by the cinematography in
this movie and it was shot in

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black and white on purpose at a
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shot in color.
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continue to highlight.
Like I said, the loneliness of

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these characters, they went
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and I think that was intentional
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I don't know.
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Did you find that the
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cinematography stuck out to you?
I think one of my favorite

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scenes was literally the very
opening one when you you see

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Baxter working and then you
slowly cut from one scene of him

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and everybody bustling around
him to him by himself with empty

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row after row after row.
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different movies have used that
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you show you know, row after row
of secretaries working or like

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assembly workers at a factory
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them mindlessly working.
But I feel like this was one of

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the most beautiful ones because
it homes Deeply in on Jack

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Lemmon and just his predicament
in life of being a nobody and

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Brad.
I think that we should talk

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about the three main
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since we're already talking
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into his performance.
Here I have to say Jack Lemmon

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is one of my favorite actors of
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because for as incredible of an
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authentically Jack Lemmon I
don't know how else to phrase

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it, it's kind of like Like Tom
Hanks where, you know, you will

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suspend disbelief to watch him
be, you know, Captain Sully or

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Captain Phillips or whoever it
might be in these movies that

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you're watching but at the end
of the day you you trust him,

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you know, him because he is Tom
Hanks and you you know, you have

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this attachment to him.
And with Jack Lemmon by all

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accounts, he was as authentic of
a person in real life as he was,

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you know, playing a character
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that authenticity A city that
earnestness really really helps

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him here in this performance.
Please miss cubic, you gotta

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promise me.
You won't do anything foolish,

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who care?
I would I can't I ever fall in

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love with somebody nice like you
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Well that's the way crumbles
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that, you know, we talked we
mentioned the script for a

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minute here that this is like a
really witty and sharp script

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but I don't think that it would
go anywhere if it wasn't for the

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performance of Jack Lemmon like
and there's so many little

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moments throughout the film.
But like when he was in his

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bathroom after Shirley MacLaine
has attempted suicide and you

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see him slowly like grabbing
things that she could try and

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kill herself with.
And like hiding them and you see

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him keep looking back into the
room with care and you just feel

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the seriousness of the
situation, you know?

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And as somebody who has had
friends, who have desired to

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commit suicide and have
attempted like, for me in that

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moment watching him, I like, I
understood him.

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Yeah, understood that motivation
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I just want to care for my
friend, and I think that's one

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of the most important things in
this movie is that, is that

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backs.
Really views Fran as a friend

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and potential love interest and
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I don't know.
Did you get that sense?

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Yeah, for sure.
And Jack Lemmon is one of the

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few actors that I think can
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this lovable.
I don't as a clown but you know,

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there are moments where he's
being goofball goofball.

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Yeah I mean but there are
moments where he's being very

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performative even for the people
in the movie like when he's

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trying to cheer up Shirley
MacLaine and he's cooking

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spaghetti and straining.
Get through a tennis racket and

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you know humming a fake little
Italian song.

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And then there's moments where
you know, you watch him in just

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this state of despondency where
he's drinking himself into a

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stupor in a bar and it's all
completely believable.

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And even from one scene, to the
net, like, you know, that scene

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where he's in the office with
Fran cubic and he finds the

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mirror or, you know, she pulls
out the mirror, right before

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that.
He decides he wants to model

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this dumb hat that he got for
himself and it's like It's the

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best little sight gag in the
whole movie because the hat

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looks horrible, and he stands
there with his bowler on his

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head and he holds it for a beat
and she's clearly not into it

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because she's thinking about how
heartbroken she is.

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And it really highlights, not
just how Billy Wilder is able to

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balance, you know, the comedy in
the tragedy.

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So, so effortlessly, but like
you said how much he had to rely

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on Jack, Lemmon to make those
transitions so seamless.

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Well, I think the best way to To
illustrate, this is to contrast

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it with Some Like It.
Hot like the beauty of Some

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Like, It Hot, is that the comedy
steers?

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Like it just veers right into
the Absurd, right?

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It's just over the top and
ridiculous and you have Jack

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Lemmon at the height of his
powers just being flat-out.

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Funny.
And the difference of this movie

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is that his comedy is always
grounded in reality, like tell

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me that you couldn't imagine
some Bachelor using a tennis

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racket to strain his Getty like
it's 100% believable and the way

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he does, it is charming and
relaxed.

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And you can feel this sense of
like, oh, well, like I'm in my

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element.
I'm in my home.

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I'm caring for a woman that I
see as a friend.

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And as somebody, I kind of like,
and I just everything about his

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performance, kept the core of
the movie, which is this drama

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of, you know, Fran and her
desire to find love their

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everything about His performance
keeps that feeling real and if

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he had veered into the Absurd at
all, you know, which credit to

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Billy Wilder for directing him.
Well, that, if he had gone over

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the top in an instant, I think
it would have discredited the

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entire, like core of the film.
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And countering him, you know,
are balancing him out.

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I guess in some ways, is Shirley
MacLaine as Fran, she is 26

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years old, in this movie, she's
only been acting in movies for

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five years.
At this point, she is kind of A

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really quickly ascending star in
Hollywood and watching this

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movie, this time, Brad, I've
probably seen this movie 10

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times through.
I have always always been blown

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away by Jack, Lemmon watching it
this time I was like how did I

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miss how incredible she is in
this movie?

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Because she is acting in such a
naturalistic way that I forgot

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at many points of the movie that
I was watching someone pretend

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to be be somebody else.
She's so perfectly embodies this

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heartbroken depressed person and
every single line reading that

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she does is so authentic and not
only that but she knows to not

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be showy about any of it and she
knows that, you know, Jack

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Lemmon has the these sillier
more showy performance in this

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movie and so she has to balance
him out by being a little more

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subdued and Sadly, it's not the
kind of performance that you

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really take note of, unless you
have seen the movie a few times,

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I feel like and this time
through I'm thinking to myself

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my gosh this might be one of the
best female performances I've

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ever seen in a movie and I have
been overlooking it all these

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years.
I just walked out of me, quit

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through that, big fat, John
right in my face.

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The nerve.
Anyway.

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I guess that's the way it
crumbles.

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Cookie wise.
Are you talking about?

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I'd spell it out for you only, I
can't spell well, you know that

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was Bob.
It's the fact that in a time

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where it feels like every single
movie was trying to make their

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female leads a Marilyn Monroe,
you know?

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And I say this with all respect
because I actually really like,

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Marilyn Monroe in her movies but
they are trying to make their

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leads ditzy and dumb and not
only their leads, but I feel

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like women were portrayed in a
pretty terrible way in general

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as being just Ridiculously
stupid and unaware of men's

448
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,500
intentions with them and just
buying any lie that they were

449
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:54,800
fed, I think that Shirley
MacLaine in this film, portrays

450
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,400
a more real woman who was caught
up in the lies of a manipulative

451
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,800
just jerk.
And you get the sense that she's

452
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,900
a real girl.
You don't ever get the sense

453
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,300
that she is faking.
Anyway.

454
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:11,300
And I honestly Bob, I've talked
about this before on the

455
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:15,300
podcast, Authenticity.
I think that's what you're

456
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:19,000
looking for in a lot of
different films and in this one

457
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,000
you have two characters that
just come across so perfectly

458
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,100
authentic of being who they are
going to be Shirley MacLaine

459
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,300
knocks it, out of the freaking
Park in this movie.

460
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,400
And I really think one of my
favorite scenes for her is the

461
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,600
very final one, where she comes
into Jack Clemons apartment and

462
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,500
just matter-of-factly starts
playing gin rummy, hmm.

463
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000
And like She's she's kind of
playing Coy kind of playing

464
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,900
hard-to-get even though he knows
for 100% that he has her and

465
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:53,000
when she doesn't answer him when
he says that I love you, it's

466
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,600
just this like fun playful
little acknowledgement of like,

467
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,800
yeah, I know you love me.
Let's play some Gin Rummy.

468
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,300
It's just it's just perfect.
Yeah, I mean I was watching

469
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:06,300
little moments like when
sheldrake her boss or you know

470
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,600
the the executive that she's
sleeping with his secretary

471
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,200
basically Corners her and
confronts her.

472
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,900
The information that he's been
doing this with girls for years

473
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,600
now and that she herself was one
of them and watching Shirley

474
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,500
MacLaine react is, it's such a
like, it was almost cringey.

475
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,100
Like, it was like watching
those.

476
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,900
Those are really hard to watch
episodes of the office in some

477
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,500
ways because she plays it, so
naturally, like, she's trying to

478
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:33,900
laugh it off and she's turning
her head away and saying like,

479
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,400
you know, you have to excuse me
and it's the way she embodies

480
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,200
the embarrassment.
It's so perfectly done that.

481
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,700
You like like I said, I forgot I
was watching an actress at some

482
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:48,900
point and that I think is the
highest compliment I can

483
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:52,300
possibly give to somebody well.
And when you talk about

484
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:55,600
authenticity and disability you
know like you said of Shirley

485
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,300
MacLaine to just keep the
audience drawn in with just how

486
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,500
real her performances.
I think you have Fred MacMurray

487
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:09,300
as the foil to that of just
being the most sleazy over the

488
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:14,300
top villain that I think that
this Movie kind of needed like

489
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,600
with all of the groundedness of
the other characters.

490
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,500
I don't think it would have
served the film to have a

491
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:24,100
executive who genuinely had a
terrible marriage and was like

492
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,400
genuinely struggling.
All this like it really needed

493
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,200
to have a corporate
high-powered.

494
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,700
Honestly, in a certain sense, no
name, nobody who's just out for

495
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,300
his own.
Well and I thought the Fred

496
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,100
MacMurray was great at that.
I completely agree and I'm going

497
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,200
to say that it's going to sound
like an insult Brad, but I hope

498
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,100
you understand what I mean when
I say this I think it actually

499
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:47,900
benefited the movie to have Fred
MacMurray in this role, because

500
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:53,200
he is not as good of an actor as
the other two, like, in the late

501
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,000
50s, early 60s, you really
started to see some of these

502
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,900
older actors, who had been, you
know, making movies in the 30s

503
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:02,300
and 40s started to be in films
with these people that were

504
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,700
coming out of the Actors Studio
in New York, and we're into

505
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:07,700
method acting and it was like,
watching two completely

506
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:11,400
different clashing styles of
acting on screen and sometimes

507
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,200
it worked and sometimes And it
was really obvious, and I think

508
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,800
this is one of those times,
where, you know, Fred MacMurray

509
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200
is just kind of a wooden actor.
He doesn't have a lot of range

510
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,600
and I think I thought that works
really well in Double Indemnity

511
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,300
when he's playing this
hard-boiled, kind of guy and

512
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,800
here it works really well too.
Because, you know, we keep using

513
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,900
the word, but he's just a dick
and he plays the really, really

514
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:36,000
well, but he doesn't overdo it
and I think there are a lot of

515
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,300
people who would have either
tried to play it to

516
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:41,700
naturalistically, or tried to
play it to hammy, and he doesn't

517
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:42,900
do either one.
Of those things.

518
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:45,200
And I think the movie really
benefits because of that.

519
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,000
Honestly, I think one of the
scenes that illustrates that

520
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,500
movement or that almost the
Baton being passed from Fred

521
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:56,300
MacMurray generation on to Jack.
Clemons generation is the very

522
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,300
final scene between the two of
them.

523
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,900
When Jack Lemmon quits, there's
this one singular moment that I

524
00:30:02,908 --> 00:30:07,800
just loved way, where Fred
MacMurray goes now.

525
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,600
I thought you were a bright man.
See, I thought you were, you

526
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,100
were understanding your place in
this world.

527
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,000
See you?
You just give me the key right

528
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,900
now.
You see?

529
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,900
And sorry.
Mr. Chaudhary What do you mean?

530
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,200
Sorry, you're not going to bring
anybody to my apartment.

531
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
I'm not just bringing anybody.
I'm bringing this Cube lie.

532
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:28,100
Especially, not miss Cube lie.
How's that again?

533
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,200
No key.
Baxter.

534
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800
I picked you for my team because
I thought you were a very bright

535
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,000
young man.
Do you realize what you're

536
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,100
doing?
Not to me, but to yourself,

537
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,600
normally, it takes years to work
your way up to the 27th floor,

538
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,600
but it only takes 30 seconds to
be out on the street again.

539
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:52,100
You dig?
I dig, he looks up into Jack

540
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,000
Clemons eyes and obviously, I'm
exaggerating some but he goes,

541
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,100
You Dig and Jack.
Lemmon goes, oh yeah.

542
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,800
I dig.
And like, it just felt like

543
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,300
this, like, symbolic moment of,
like, you dig was a terrible,

544
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,700
terrible line.
And like, jet the way Jack

545
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,400
Lemmon just throws it back at
him casually.

546
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,300
I just felt like that was a
moment where I was just like, I

547
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,000
just, I loved every second of
this.

548
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,800
There was a moment in this movie
and you know will censor this

549
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,100
for the the wide release but
patreon you'll get an earful

550
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,900
here.
There's a moment where I just

551
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,800
looked at the screen and I
wanted my breath.

552
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,400
There's no one else in the room.
Oh, just like you mother like I

553
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:38,200
I said it out loud to the screen
and it's the moment where a

554
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,800
sheldrake Fred MacMurray.
And Miss kubelik are in the

555
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,600
apartment together for the first
time.

556
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,200
And she gets him, a Christmas
present, and it's a, it's a

557
00:31:47,208 --> 00:31:51,500
recording, it's an LP.
Of The Pianist in the restaurant

558
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,600
that they go to.
And the first thing he does is

559
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800
he says, well you know, we
better leave that here.

560
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,500
Meaning I can't take this home
to my wife, I'll have to explain

561
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,600
things and she goes, yeah, we
better leave it here and then he

562
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,200
says well you know II didn't get
you anything but here's a

563
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,100
hundred dollars and he pulls a
hundred dollar bill out of his

564
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,700
wallet and the way they frame it
Brad they cut back to her on the

565
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,900
couch and it is like at eye
level with her sitting on the

566
00:32:13,908 --> 00:32:15,800
couch.
So you basically just see like

567
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,100
Fred mcmurray's waste he's and
you just see this, huh?

568
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Two dollar bill kind of like
fall into frame while she's

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,700
looking at him with this.
Look of just utter contempt and

570
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:33,300
and hatred, and it was the most
crushing thing to watch him drop

571
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,100
this hundred dollar bill at her.
It basically has a way of saying

572
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,800
like you are nothing but a cheap
whore to me and it like that

573
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,600
scene and that the way they
framed it, visually, I think

574
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800
will forever be burned in my
mind, and the way that she

575
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,600
stands up and like, takes her It
off and and he just goes,

576
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,500
although we don't really have
any time for that and he and

577
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,200
she, I don't remember exactly
how she says it, but she

578
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,000
basically says, well, if you
already paid for it, I figured,

579
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,800
I might as well.
See ya.

580
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,400
And you're just like, oh man,
and he just kind of goes on,

581
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600
don't talk like that.
Okay, bye, right.

582
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,200
Yeah, he's I mean, all three of
them are great in this movie,

583
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,900
Brad.
I don't think we're saying

584
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:16,400
anything, like revolutionary
here.

585
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,500
There's movies really good, the
acting is phenomenal.

586
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,300
The script is great.
Rate.

587
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,800
The direction is fantastic.
I think it's time for us to hit

588
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,300
pause and drink some whiskey.
So what do you say?

589
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,700
We sip on some single malt
scotch and try this Buna haben

590
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:31,200
12?
Yes, let's drink it.

591
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,900
Alright, today we are checking
out Buna Haven. 12-year Brad.

592
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,199
This might be the most fun to
say, name of any whiskey we've

593
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,100
ever had on this show.
I love the Scottish people and

594
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:30,100
their names.
And this one Buna haben is one

595
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,800
that I'm going to say at least
50 times in this segment.

596
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,199
So just prepare yourself.
I don't know man.

597
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:42,199
The nectar nectar might have
been that might be our best.

598
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,199
We probably should run a segment
on Instagram with the just the

599
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,800
best names of whiskey.
That's right time.

600
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:50,100
That's true.
I broke logic is right up there,

601
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:51,699
too.
That's right, man.

602
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,100
All right, so Buna, hob and 12
year is an interesting whiskey

603
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:56,800
Brad.
This is an I'll, uh, scotch.

604
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,200
And as we know, Ila scotches are
usually very heavily peated.

605
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,100
Think Laphroaig, but Boone, aha
Van Gogh's, an opposite route.

606
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:08,000
They really don't heavily Peach
their Scotch at all.

607
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,200
In fact, as I know Agnes, I'm
not getting many, you know, any

608
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,700
Pete at all.
So it may be completely

609
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:16,300
unpainted for all.
I know, this particular

610
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:19,800
expression of Buna, haben 12 was
kind of revamped back in the

611
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,200
year 2010, they upped the proof
on it to 46.3%.

612
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,100
So we're looking at a basically,
a 92 and a half proof whiskey

613
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,400
here.
It's non chill filtered and they

614
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,500
have not added any coloration to
it.

615
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,600
One thing we've really never
talked about on this show, is

616
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,000
that unlike bourbon with Scotch.
They can actually add caramel

617
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,300
Alluring to Scotch whisky to
make it look darker in the

618
00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:44,600
glass, and it doesn't affect
anything.

619
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,900
They have to put on the label.
It's still considered Scotch.

620
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,500
So there's actually been a
pretty big movement in the

621
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:53,300
scotch world to stop doing that
and just present, you know, the

622
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,200
whiskey, the way that it's
supposed to look in the glass.

623
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,700
So it has a much lighter look in
the glass, but that's just

624
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,500
because they haven't added any
coloration to it, dude.

625
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:03,500
They just need to listen to The
Beatles, man.

626
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Let it be, let it be let it be.
That's right.

627
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,100
And there's our copyright strike
for this episode.

628
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,500
Kaboom, you're welcome.
Well Brad, let's get into

629
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:13,700
drinking this.
I'm really excited.

630
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:16,500
This is the second week in what
three weeks now.

631
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,200
Brad, that we are drinking
Scotch, so I'm excited to get

632
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,600
back into drinking some single
malt.

633
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,800
Scotch whiskey, what are you
picking up on the nose of this

634
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,500
Buna?
Haben?

635
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,100
12-year, honestly, I think that
you can still get a little bit

636
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,200
of that smoke.
And it's not, you know, I'm not

637
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,700
to calling this a peated scotch,
but there's a little bit of that

638
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:36,900
smokiness for me.
It's actually coming across a

639
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:41,300
little bit, alcohol forward.
There's some hints of saline

640
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:45,500
flowers and a little bit of just
generic sweetness.

641
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:51,200
But yeah, it's a nice pleasant.
Smelling knows that I'll give a

642
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,500
7 out of 10.
Are you ready for this Brad?

643
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,600
Because a couple weeks ago we
did a burl our 16 and a burl our

644
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,400
18.
Mmm.

645
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,200
And while I remember yes, and
while I liked both of those

646
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,300
whiskies, you were much more.
What's the word effusive in your

647
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,600
praise and I was a little bit
more reserved and Brad, I think

648
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,500
the tables are To be turned this
time because I want ahead and

649
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:13,000
took all my notes on this
already.

650
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,500
I love this whiskey.
I love it.

651
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:21,100
Brad, this nose is beautiful.
I mean, if you just kind of, let

652
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,000
it air out a little bit in the
glass because it's been in our

653
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,200
sample bottle for a while, it
has layers of butterscotch.

654
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,300
And caramel, you can get a
little bit of that malt on it,

655
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,800
but for me, it was stone fruit.
I got a lot of Peach on this.

656
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,700
I got dark chocolate notes.
Just on the nose of this.

657
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,100
I found this to be incredibly
complex.

658
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:43,000
It's still very light and you
can tell like you said, Brad

659
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,800
that there is some alcohol on
it.

660
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,000
I didn't find it to be
offensive.

661
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,700
I didn't find it to be alcohol
forward.

662
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
I love this knows.
I'm actually going to give us an

663
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,500
eight and a half on the nose.
Brad.

664
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,100
Yeah.
That is pretty high up there and

665
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,800
a lot of words that you just
said, but when I get into the

666
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,100
taste, I think that honestly
it's kind of at a similar point

667
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,200
for me.
There's a few hints of vanilla

668
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,800
there that are kind of under
written by really strong saline.

669
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Taste that I'm getting I'm not
getting blown away by any one

670
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,100
particular note, its kind of
vaguely sweet and kind of

671
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,400
pleasureful.
And so I'll just I'll call it a

672
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,700
7 out of 10.
One thing that I've been doing

673
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,900
the last few weeks, Brad, when
we're tasting Whiskey's,

674
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,200
especially because, you know,
sometimes we record right after

675
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,200
dinner, we might have some funky
taste still on our, on our

676
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,300
palettes.
I had Chinese food tonight, so I

677
00:38:31,308 --> 00:38:34,300
was like, I got to find
something to reset my palate

678
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:37,300
here.
I have a very standard Bourbon

679
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000
and a very standard sky.
Atch that I just take like a

680
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,500
thimble full basically just to
kind of get acclimated to the

681
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,500
flavor of scotch again before I
dove into this one.

682
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,600
And so for me it's Cutty Sark
which is not a very good scotch

683
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,700
and you know, it's just, hey,
here's alcohol and maltiness.

684
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,900
And there you go.
And I followed it with this

685
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:01,100
about 10 minutes later.
Brad for me, this was very sweet

686
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:04,000
right from the jump.
I thought it was sweet with just

687
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,200
a hint of of that saline you're
talking about.

688
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,000
It had a really nice spice on
it.

689
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,200
When I breathe out afterwards, I
had nutmeg and clove, I just

690
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,100
really thought that it's not a
complex flavor, but there is

691
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,400
just layers and layers of
richness to this man.

692
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Like I got a ton of brown sugar,
I got a ton of butterscotch and

693
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,800
yet it still stayed very, very
light on the palate.

694
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,200
This is one of the best scotches
I've had on this show and

695
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,200
probably two seasons Brad, like
I Thinking back, the only ones

696
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,700
that really stand out to me that
I liked immediately better than

697
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:38,800
this.
We're keen to Ruben and

698
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,300
Laphroaig lore.
I'm going to give this a nine

699
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,200
and a half on the palate.
Dude.

700
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,200
I think you need to start
writing some copy for Buna

701
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Harbour, hey, this you are all
about this stuff.

702
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,500
Like I said, I like it's fine.
It's just not blowing me away in

703
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,300
any way.
I think when I get to the Finish

704
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,300
it's a little bit nutty, kind of
on the finish with a little bit

705
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,100
of that floral Aroma coming
through it.

706
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,100
It's a solid finish.
But once again, nothing has

707
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:06,600
blown me away.
I'll give it a seven and a half

708
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,800
out of ten.
Yeah, I think if there is one

709
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600
area where this is not great,
it's the Finish.

710
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,100
It's a bit more of just kind of
a standard scotchie finish Oak.

711
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,400
It actually soured for me a
little bit on the finish and

712
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,700
then I got quite a bit of smoke
on the backend Brad.

713
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,300
So you're right.
It is lightly peated.

714
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:26,800
I think it definitely carries a
smokiness with it but overall

715
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000
still Pleasant not alcohol
forward.

716
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,400
Not harsh.
It doesn't dry the mouth.

717
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Thought it was definitely.
Ring.

718
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,800
I thought it was a good finish
like you.

719
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,700
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half out of ten.

720
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Yeah and that brings us to our
overall balance.

721
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
I think this is a well-balanced
whiskey.

722
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,800
I personally though just feel
like there's a need for more

723
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,300
complexity here that I was not
getting.

724
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,300
So I'm just going to stick right
where I'm at man.

725
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:50,600
I'm gonna give it a seven out of
ten.

726
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,100
It's solid it's just not blown
me away.

727
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,000
I think this is a beautiful
whiskey.

728
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,100
Like I would not be very often
that I would use the word

729
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,700
beautiful to describe a whiskey
and I think in some ways we have

730
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:04,400
been a little bit Old because a
lot of the scotches we've been

731
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,800
trying, Brad have been finished
in other types of casks to give

732
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,200
it a little bit more sweetness,
a little bit more maturity.

733
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,700
So like I don't know if I would
stack this right next to a

734
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,100
Glenmorangie Keen to Reuben,
because that has a very

735
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,600
particular flavor that's been
sort of, you know, I don't say

736
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,500
added to it, but, you know,
infused into it.

737
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,000
And if you like this up next to
like a regular Glenmorangie,

738
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
like, I know that's a Highland,
not a Nyla.

739
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,500
But this thing has so much more
depth so much.

740
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,200
Our richness.
It's very sweet.

741
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,600
It's really decadent.
I would choose this over like a

742
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,900
Glenmorangie 10-year any day of
the week, I think it's

743
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:44,200
incredibly well-balanced.
I'm gonna give it a 9 out of 10

744
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,500
on the balance.
I mean, I don't mean to throw

745
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,100
you under the bus here but this
is double matured and X Bourbon

746
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,300
and X Sherry, Cask, quite right.
But that is essentially what

747
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:55,800
most scotches do.
Like we did that with a burl are

748
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,200
a couple weeks ago, X, bourbon,
barrels, and X.

749
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Sherry, Sherry butts are pretty
much the standard for maturing

750
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,100
skin.
Scotch.

751
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,100
Okay.
Yeah, I mean I am not, I guess

752
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:08,700
I'm just not getting what you're
getting Bob.

753
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:10,600
I just think it's kind of bland
Lee.

754
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,300
Sweet and has a few interesting
notes and it's just okay.

755
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:17,500
And you know, that's when we get
to the value, you know, this

756
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:22,700
sells for $55 and confusingly
enough 83 cents.

757
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:24,000
Yeah.
In the state of Ohio, I don't

758
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,800
understand that price could you
know use any of the just make a

759
00:42:27,808 --> 00:42:31,100
55?
No no no 83.

760
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,800
I wonder if that works out to be
like an even number when they

761
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,900
had tax on to it or something.
I mean, maybe the like what

762
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:39,600
happens when they change the tax
rate?

763
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,500
Exactly.
Now I just, it's, I love when

764
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,100
you find little anomalies like
that.

765
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,100
But honestly, for me, when you
have a world with Keen to Reuben

766
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,600
for like five dollars less than
this, I just can't consider this

767
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,000
a great value.
Like it's, it's fine, it's good.

768
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,800
I would drink it.
If it was offered to me.

769
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,100
But at $56, I can only give it a
4 out of Non-value a 4 out of

770
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:08,300
10.
Yeah like it's it's just I can't

771
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,500
I've said this a million times
already Bob, it's just fine.

772
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,500
Yeah.
Like it's like it's it's good

773
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:17,400
interest but in the world of
scotch for me I'm only gonna buy

774
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,200
a scotch if I'm just really
Blown Away by it and I really

775
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,100
like scotch and so you know,
even at the fifty, sixty seventy

776
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,100
dollar range, unless it's blown
me away.

777
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,300
I don't want to spend that much
money, man.

778
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,500
I mean, I will say that.
That I think this has a ton more

779
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,400
character, a ton more sweetness,
a ton more flavor than the

780
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,700
aberle.
Our 16 that we tried two weeks

781
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,900
ago.
Like, I'd think this this would

782
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,900
stack up if we did these
side-by-side again, I actually

783
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,400
would venture to say that you
might pick this over the a burl,

784
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,400
our 16 and again we're comparing
different regions of scotch

785
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,000
here, speyside to Isla but for
me Brad I really do think that

786
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,500
at this price point.
The only whiskey, the only

787
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,600
Scotch I should say.
That I think is a better value

788
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,200
is the key to Ruben and Ohio has
actually raised the price of

789
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,100
Buna, haben and lowered the
price of keen sir Reuben.

790
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,600
So I always say a year ago, you
could flip flop.

791
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,500
The prices of the to this would
have been about five dollars

792
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,600
cheaper at least in the Kingdom.
Ruben, Brad for me.

793
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,200
I think it's a 9 out of 10 on
value.

794
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,800
This is, this is one of the
better scotches that I can think

795
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,100
of, for $55 or less and we are
going to come out in extremely

796
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:30,600
different places on this
whiskey.

797
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:34,100
I'm coming out too.
Day, 43 and a half out of 50 on

798
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:39,400
this ya, Baba, I'm coming out to
a 32.5 on this.

799
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Alright, so that is bringing us
out to a 76 out of 100 or a 38

800
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,500
out of 50.
So, it is over that 35, Mark,

801
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,300
where we typically say that it's
worth trying, it's worth buying.

802
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,000
I actually would say that in the
rarest of instances for me,

803
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,100
being the Cheapskate that I am,
I would recommend both, I think

804
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,700
it's worth buying a bottle of
this at $55.

805
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,300
I would absolutely.
We recommend trying it at a bar

806
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,500
because it's going to be less
than $10 to try this Brad.

807
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,800
Where would you come out in
terms of recommendations?

808
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:15,100
Yeah, this is true.
Yeah, yeah, I mean if you really

809
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,300
want to try it that's fine.
I don't think it's particularly

810
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:20,400
worth grabbing but go for it if
you want to.

811
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,400
Would you like, would you
recommend someone to try this at

812
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,900
a bar?
Would you say pass on it all

813
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:28,200
together?
I honestly Bob, there's very few

814
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
whiskies that.
I would say, don't try it, got

815
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,700
it.
But honestly like, you know,

816
00:45:32,707 --> 00:45:35,700
there's probably maybe out of
all the Whiskey's wherever ever

817
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,200
drank.
There's probably only 10 to 15

818
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,500
that.
I'd be like, man.

819
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:41,400
I would even pass on it at the
bar.

820
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,100
I get that.
Yeah, I'd say, go for it.

821
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,400
Like, if you enjoy Scotch, if
you enjoy especially sweet,

822
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,800
Scotch go for it.
Yeah.

823
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,500
It's solid.
It's a good poor.

824
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,900
But overall buying a bottle.
No, not as much.

825
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,800
All right man.
So we're divided on that one.

826
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,400
Hopefully we're not too divided
on our movie of the day.

827
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,200
So what do you say we get back
into talking about the

828
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,700
apartment.
Let's get to it.

829
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:46,000
All right.
That was Buna.

830
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Haben 12, a whiskey.
That Bob and I are pretty

831
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,900
daggone split on.
I don't often come out 11 points

832
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,300
away from each other on her
whiskeys.

833
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:55,800
Yeah man.
I was really shocked to see

834
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,700
that.
Yeah, you know it was fine is

835
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:02,000
fine but on my gosh yeah it was
really good.

836
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,300
It was not anything.
You say fine, one more time.

837
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Hey Brad.
I like I just have to double

838
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,600
check my notes Here.
Was it?

839
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,400
Fine?
Ah it wasn't, it wasn't fine.

840
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,700
It was just fine.
You know.

841
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,300
Do you remember the episode of
How I Met Your Mother?

842
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,300
Where robin keeps talking about
that painting of Lily's?

843
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,500
It's hanging in the, in the
coffee shop.

844
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:28,000
He goes, oh, it's really neat.
The colors are neat and Ted's

845
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
like, I'm sorry, just to
clarify.

846
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,100
Would you say that it's more
neat or Neato burrito?

847
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:35,800
Yeah.
That's where I'm at.

848
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,400
With this Brad.
This was, he was Neato burrito.

849
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,900
Bob.
All right, man, let's get back

850
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,400
to talking about the apartment.
Dude, I have a burning thought

851
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,100
on my mind that's been sitting
on me since I was like, I don't

852
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,900
know about an hour into the
film.

853
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,000
Oh, is this a scorching-hot brad
G?

854
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,800
Take Jim Carrey modeled his
whole acting career off of

855
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,800
trying to be kind of like Jack.
Lemmon oh man, are you Brad

856
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,700
listen to me like 100% agreement
with you?

857
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,300
Like if you listen to the way
Jim or Jim Carrey Jack Lemmon.

858
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:16,900
And I mumble some of his lines
in this movie, like, when he's

859
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,700
depressed, or when he's drunk,
it is Jim Carrey's.

860
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,800
Whole performance in Eternal
Sunshine, but he is trying to do

861
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,500
the yes, dude.
Yeah, 100%.

862
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,800
And like the, the physical
characteristics that he has

863
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,100
like, when we haven't even
talked about this part of the

864
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:35,900
film, and I think it's
brilliant.

865
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,600
The one time that Baxter tries
to get a woman and it's a

866
00:48:39,607 --> 00:48:43,300
married woman and he's like
you're worried he's about to

867
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:47,800
dive into the vein of Of sleazy
high-powered executive that

868
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,800
moment he turns on the music and
he's kind of dancing around.

869
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,000
The apartment, is the moment
where I was like, oh it's Jim

870
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,900
Carrey.
Like the way he was moving

871
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,400
around the apartment, I was just
immediately, like, oh, it's

872
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,100
Liar.
Liar, it's Bruce Almighty.

873
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:06,600
It's everything I've ever seen
Jim Carrey.

874
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,800
And I honestly, like it's this
is not a knock on Jim Carrey.

875
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,600
I really like him as an actor
know, for sure, for sure.

876
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:17,800
I just was struck The comparison
and my rated just popped it,

877
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,400
dude.
I'm going to share, maybe the

878
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,000
nerdiest story I can share with
you.

879
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,900
And when you've seen as many
movies, as I've seen, like, my

880
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:30,300
brain constructs, like, pretend
remakes of movies.

881
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,400
And I think sometimes like if
they were ever going to remake

882
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,300
this, who would I want to be in
it?

883
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:37,000
And we actually played this game
a little bit with, I think the

884
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Great Escape way back in season
one.

885
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:41,800
So when I first saw this movie I
was in high school.

886
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,900
So it was around 2004 2005 this
The movie called The Terminal

887
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:48,100
had just come out with Tom.
Hanks, I don't if you've ever

888
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:52,000
seen, it's a Spielberg movie and
the lead actors in that movie

889
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,400
was Catherine Zeta-Jones and she
was playing a flight attendant

890
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,300
who was having an affair with, I
think a pilot or something like

891
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,000
that, you never see the guy in
the movie, but she played to a

892
00:50:04,008 --> 00:50:07,100
tee, the Shirley MacLaine part
of this movie.

893
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:10,100
And I just remember thinking to
myself, oh my gosh, like,

894
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,700
Catherine Zeta-Jones, might be a
few years older than Shirley

895
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:16,100
MacLaine was at this point.
But I was like, if they ever

896
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:20,100
wanted to remake the apartment,
like, you have Jim Carrey and

897
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,300
2004 era, Catherine Zeta-Jones,
like right there for the taking.

898
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,800
And I just, I'm pissed in
retrospect that no one read my

899
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,300
mind.
And made that remake, bro.

900
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,800
I'm telling you, man, once we
start the film and whiskey

901
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:38,000
Studio, we will just make all of
those remakes that we've always

902
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200
order to make.
We're just gonna cast them as 65

903
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,100
year olds.
Yeah, just do it anyway.

904
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:46,100
Yeah, Jim Carrie will be lights
out.

905
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,500
Wow, I Brad, I'm really happy
that you noticed that as well.

906
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:55,300
Because I have been thinking
that to myself for like, what 15

907
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,700
16 years now is that also what
you yell at people on the

908
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:03,200
street, I do I shake them and
Isaiah remedy making chip.

909
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Carriage we make any Apartments
I just have this image of you

910
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,500
being George Bailey running down
the snowy streets of Akron

911
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,300
shaking people.
Yeah like when he when he's

912
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,500
accosting the pretend version of
Mary that's coming out of the

913
00:51:18,508 --> 00:51:21,000
library it's like trying to kiss
her that's made out of that

914
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,600
version.
Don't you see Jim Carrey is Jack

915
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Lemmon oh man Brad I think this
is a good time for us to move

916
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,100
into our final scores and I am
interested to hear what you have

917
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,500
to say here because at the
beginning of the episode, Said

918
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,400
that you thought it was a really
solid movie that it was in the

919
00:51:39,408 --> 00:51:41,700
top, you know, 20% kind of a
thing.

920
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,300
It doesn't sound like you're
ready to go, all in, and give it

921
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,200
like a nine and a half, or a 10
out of 10.

922
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,300
So share your final score with
us, but but also, can you

923
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,900
enlighten me a little bit on
what you think might be some of

924
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,300
the flaws or the drawbacks of
the movie here?

925
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,400
I do think that there are a few
points throughout the film,

926
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,200
where it drags a little bit
like, you know, the moment of

927
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,900
the start of the movie, when
he's making all these phone

928
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,600
calls to the different, guys, to
try and And rescheduled dates

929
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,100
like it's a gag and it's funny
but it kind of drags a little

930
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,400
bit and there was just one or
two other moments throughout the

931
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,700
movie where I just felt myself
wanting a little bit faster of a

932
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:24,000
pace and not in a comedic sense
just in a genuine like, okay,

933
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,400
let's get to the next part.
Like what?

934
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,100
Like, we need to keep moving.
But overall, I really don't have

935
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,500
much to complain about this
film.

936
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:33,700
I think it's really solid.
I'm going to compare to Some

937
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,200
Like It Hot again because I gave
Some Like It Hot a 10/10.

938
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,700
And I think, you know, I'm gonna
give the apartment a 9 out of

939
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,800
10.
I think the reason that it's not

940
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,800
getting a 9 and a half, or a 10
out of 10, for me, is the fact

941
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,800
that like, in the vein of
comedies, I think Some Like It

942
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,100
Hot just stands Head and
Shoulders above.

943
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:58,800
Most, any comedy ever, written
directed and acted filmed like

944
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,600
it is so far above that.
For me, it's just a 10 out of

945
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,500
10, and I honestly think that
the apartment might be the

946
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:07,000
better move.
Movie overall.

947
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,000
But in the end, there are a lot
of really beautiful dramas out

948
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
there that I can compare this to
and go.

949
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Yeah, this is like one of the
better entries in the heartfelt.

950
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,300
Meaningful drama Department with
a little bit of Comedy thrown

951
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:25,000
in, I don't know.
Does that make sense?

952
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Yeah, no I totally understand.
And I get your critique, you

953
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,200
know, when we watch the movies
for the podcast you and I both

954
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,700
take notes while we're watching
a movie and I will freely admit

955
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:36,800
that there were a couple parts
of the movie that I It more

956
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,800
convenient to take notes during
so you're right there probably

957
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,600
is and it's not very much like
if they trimmed maybe even like

958
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,400
three minutes off the run time,
I think it would be a little bit

959
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,800
tighter but for me it's just
like, man, this movie hits a

960
00:53:50,808 --> 00:53:55,000
level of emotional depth that I
don't think has really been

961
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,300
surpassed in some ways by movies
that have tried to do it since

962
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:00,600
then.
And the scene that I was talking

963
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,500
about earlier Brad, that I
called a really harrowing

964
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,100
sequence is that whole sequence
in Jack Clemons apartment after

965
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:10,100
he He discovers that Fran has,
you know, tried to overdose on

966
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:13,100
pills, he calls the doctor over
and they have to basically keep

967
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,900
her from dying the whole night
and Wilder just puts us in that

968
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:20,900
apartment and does not shy away
from the horrible.

969
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:25,100
After-effects of, you know, the
actions of this dick sheldrake,

970
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,500
and watching that sequence.
I was reminded of a very similar

971
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,300
sequence in the movie.
Almost Famous, which we're going

972
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:33,700
to be reviewing here in, just a
few months.

973
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,100
And Brad, you've seen the
director's cut of that movie.

974
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,900
So, You've at least seen that
scene before, but, you know, a

975
00:54:38,908 --> 00:54:41,400
main character in that movie
tries to commit suicide, they

976
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,900
have to pump her stomach out.
It's very similar to the

977
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:48,200
apartment and yet that movie
Cuts away Way quicker than this

978
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,600
one does.
And I'm not saying that just,

979
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,800
you know, forcing people to
watch something harrowing makes

980
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,100
it better, but I think that it's
really a testament to how well

981
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:01,500
made this movie was that in 60
years.

982
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
I don't know if that scene has
been topped in terms of what

983
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,200
they're trying to do.
And so, for all those reasons,

984
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,900
for the reasons of, you know, it
being a comedy and a tragedy,

985
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,900
and a romance and working at
all, three, it's a nearly

986
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,600
perfect movie for me.
I'm going to give it a 10 out of

987
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,100
10, honestly.
Bob, I was worried that you were

988
00:55:21,107 --> 00:55:23,100
going to mention Pulp Fiction
there when you're talking about

989
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:25,100
overdosing seen.
Oh gosh, not that one.

990
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:29,000
Not that one.
But honestly, I will say, there

991
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,100
is a moment when the doctor was
just slapping her.

992
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,100
That I was worried that like a
Only one viewer might watch that

993
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,400
and just think that it's like
over the top and, you know,

994
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:46,300
abusive and on, you know,
unnecessary and I will say this

995
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:50,100
as somebody who has watched,
people had their stomachs pumped

996
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,200
and been brought back from the
brink of death, you know, after

997
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,400
suicide attempts or alcohol
poisoning or things like that.

998
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,500
Nah dude, that doctor was being
gentle.

999
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,900
Yeah, like, being 100% honest
like that.

1000
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:06,100
I mean it was a gruesome scene.
It was brutal, it was honest.

1001
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:08,200
East.
And that's what I really loved

1002
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,000
about it.
Once again, this movie is not

1003
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,100
shying away from the reality of
what's happening.

1004
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,100
When these, you know, sleaze
balls are just taking advantage

1005
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,400
of women.
Well, on that really happy and

1006
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,800
shiny.
And positive note, we would like

1007
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,600
to hear what you think about
this movie.

1008
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,100
I, I mean, Brad, I assume nine
out of ten.

1009
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,300
You gave it your going to
recommend that people should go

1010
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,200
watch this movie.
Oh yeah, dude.

1011
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,300
I mean, if you can get it at a
bar, if you can, you know, just

1012
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:35,300
going to shut up.
Oh sorry.

1013
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,500
We're talking about movie.
Yeah.

1014
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:39,400
Yeah.
You should you should totally

1015
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,800
watch this movie 5.
It's it's great.

1016
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,300
And if you have seen the movie
or if you wanted, if we have

1017
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,600
persuaded you to go watch it.
Hit us up after the fact, you

1018
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,600
can find us on social media on
Facebook, Twitter or Instagram

1019
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:55,600
at film whiskey.
Honestly, Bob, I'm just going to

1020
00:56:55,607 --> 00:56:59,000
make another pitch.
Don't go see All About Eve.

1021
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,000
I just want to remind everybody
that that is not a movie worth

1022
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,100
watching, whereas the apartment
is eminently.

1023
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,800
We a better film and much more
worth watching than All About

1024
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,800
Eve.
So now that, that public service

1025
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,800
announcement is over.
If you want to give us some

1026
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,100
feedback verbally auditorily,
give us a phone call.

1027
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,100
You can leave us a voicemail on
our website which is anchored on

1028
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:27,500
FM / film, whiskey, Brad, I am
ready for this with every ounce

1029
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:31,100
of my being next week.
We're coming at you with the

1030
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,100
only movie to this day to
feature a man, free falling and

1031
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,200
bouncing off a propeller into
icy cold water.

1032
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:41,000
There's 1997's Best Picture
Winner Titanic.

1033
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,500
I cannot wait.
I will see you next week.

1034
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,900
Brad as we discussed that
Masterpiece, but until then, I'm

1035
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:52,200
Bob book, I genuinely had no
idea what movie you were talking

1036
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,700
about.
If I just said like Happy Feet

1037
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:58,800
or like anything else, like the
cold Eames?

1038
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,700
Yes, the Santa Claus has.
Oh man, I am bread.

1039
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,100
G'yahhhh.
And guys, I'm so pumped for next

1040
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:09,800
week.
Titanic should be a great time.

1041
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:11,100
We'll see you next week.