The African Queen / Bogart's Irish Whiskey

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Robots radio presents in 1951
director John Huston and stars

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Humphrey Bogart and Katharine
Hepburn braved the African

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Wilderness to find true love in
2020.

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We visit the Irish aisle with
the man himself.

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The film is the African queen.
The whiskey is Bogaerts Irish,

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whiskey and will review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast for each week.

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We review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book.
I'm Brad G and this week.

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We are looking at the 1951 film
The African Queen.

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Do you Charles take this woman
to be your lawful wedded wife?

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life Yes, sir.
Do you love take this man to be

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your lawful wedded husband I do.
By the authority vested in Me by

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kinds of William II I pronounce
you man and wife proceed with

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the execution Brad.
How you doing today?

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Man, man, I am doing wonderful.
I just got done watching some

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Bayern Munich vs.
Some other German team that I

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don't remember the name of that
is a good time.

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Nice.
I had no idea you were a soccer

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fan.
Um, I actually told this to my

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friends.
I don't think you could classify

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me as a soccer fan because I
Don't follow it.

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But I played the sport for like
nine or ten years is a little

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kid.
I know the basics of like

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formations and you know, if they
said the numbers to me like a

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four four two or a four three
two one.

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I'm like, oh, yeah.
I kind of know what that is.

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So, you know, I know enough to
be competent at watching soccer.

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Wow, I had no idea the things
we're learning about each other

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over this podcast.
I'll top.

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I am a man of many Mysteries.
Well today.

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We are looking at The African
Queen We know a movie that was

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not originally in our lineup for
season three Brad.

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We had reached out to this
company called Bogart Spirits,

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which has been on my radar for a
while because it seems right up

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our alley, they make a bunch of
different Spirits under the

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Humphrey Bogart name in
collaboration with his estate

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and they basically agreed to
send us a couple bottles to

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review as long as we would
feature their product on a

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regular weekly episode and you
know Brad, I like to think that

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we are men of principle that we
try to stick to our Guns on our

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weekly episodes.
We try to review whiskies that

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are widely available that you
can walk into any liquor store

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and purchase.
And so when I went to write them

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back, I stood my ground and I
said, yes, we will absolutely

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change everything about our
podcast if you send us free

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whiskey, that's because that's
the kind of guy.

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I am Brad.
Yeah, man free whiskey who

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literally get me to do a lot of
things.

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So we ended up rearranging
season 3's format a little bit

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to include the African queen.
I really wish that we had.

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Been able to feature this
whiskey back in season one when

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we did both Casablanca and The
Treasure of the Sierra Madre

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which are in my opinion Humphrey
Bogart's to best movies and my

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favorite to Bogart movies.
So we kind of we brainstormed a

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little bit about what Bogart
movie should we feature?

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Should it be the Maltese falcon
or should it be the African

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queen and we came down on the
side of the African queen.

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This is the second John Huston
movie that we've done on the

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podcast as I've just said is the
third Humphrey Bogart movie Brad

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had you heard of the African
queen prior.

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You watching it for this
podcast?

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Oh, yeah.
This is you know, this is one of

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those movies that like has like
Hollywood Legend just

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surrounding it.
You know, like John Huston takes

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Katherine and bogey out to
Africa and the the shoot was

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terrible and I think Katherine
Hepburn was like really really

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sick throughout a lot of the the
shooting and it was just one of

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those things where it was a
grind and it was just grueling

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Lee difficult to get this food
movie.

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Filmed but I had never actually
seen it myself but you know

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aside from just hearing about
it.

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So this was my first time doing
it.

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Oh, that's really interesting.
I'm glad you've heard of it

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before and you're right Brad.
I think that the story of the

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making of the African queen is
just as legendary as the movie

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itself and honestly, I think it
probably feeds into the movies

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reputation because it was such a
grueling shoot because John

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Huston was known for being that
kind of guy that would just

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rough it and you know in between
takes he was going out and

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hunting wild.
Game and things like that.

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So it really adds to the overall
Mystique of this movie.

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They took two of the biggest
stars of all time out into you

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know, the African jungle
essentially on the river Lauren

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Bacall Humphrey Bogart's wife
goes along with the crew.

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She ends up basically playing
nursemaid to the whole crew

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because they all come down with
malaria and dysentery and

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everything else.
So it was a crazy production and

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we're going to get into talking
about that production a little

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bit.
But before we get any further It

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is time for our favorite
segment, which we call Brad

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explains.
This is where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen many times.

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It's Brad's first time watching
the movie and that is the case

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today.
So Brad, can you break down a

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spoiler filled synopsis of the
movie The African Queen for our

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listeners.
So yeah.

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So Humphrey Bogart is a ship
captain that kind of Trades

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supplies up and down a large
trade River in Africa and

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Visiting a Methodist Outpost.
There's these two Methodist

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missionaries that are British
and they live there and they're

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ministering to the to the native
African population there and

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while they're there World War
One breaks out and they burn

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down the village and the the guy
who's a missionary there goes

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crazy and dies.
Somehow his brain just snaps and

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so Katherine Hepburn decides to
travel with Humphrey Bogart so

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that They can go to this big old
Lake and Destroy This German

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ship and if that sounds absurd
to you don't worry when you

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watch the movie, it will still
seem very absurd but they decide

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to travel down the river and try
to blow up this ship.

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And while they are traveling
there.

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They face all sorts of problems
the boat, you know, the rudder

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gets destroyed and they have to
like fix things and there's

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storms and there's the ship gets
beached at one point and you

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know, but lo and behold by the
end of the movie they have

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Fallen in love and they destroy
the ship and they get off

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scot-free and they're really
they're really happy about it,

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man.
They get married.

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Yeah this movie is it's a really
interesting kind of Adventure

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movie and I don't make to make
light of world war one but the

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way that it's presented as kind
of a like a peripheral thing in

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this movie.
This is a very light-hearted

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movie.
I mean, it's a movie about two

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people who are a little bit
older than your conventional

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movie stars falling in love.
It's an unconventional Romance.

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It's an adventure movie.
It's these two people sailing

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down this treacherous River and
encountering all sorts of

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natural obstacles as well as
trying to avoid detection, you

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know, it has the same sort of
DNA as your favorite adventure

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movies of kind of like an
Indiana Jones things like that.

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But Brad, I mean do you think
it's wrong for me to

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characterize this as a very
light-hearted movie?

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No, it definitely is I think I
think there's a few notes that

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the start that make you feel
like it's going to be serious,

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but once they get onto the river
you We realize that this movie

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is just going to be full of
banter back and forth between

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Bogey and Hepburn and that the
movie is really just them, you

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know, we just reviewed Life of
Pi a little bit ago.

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And that movie is about a tiger
and a young Indian boy on a boat

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together.
This movie is just about

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Humphrey Bogart hanging out with
Katharine Hepburn and seeing

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what kind of shenanigans they
can get into.

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Yeah.
I mean, I'm looking at the

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Wikipedia page right now and
they only have eight people

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listed in the whole cast as
having speaking roles and five

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of those.
Are people on the German warship

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that they end up on the last ten
minutes of the movie?

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So honestly, the only three real
individuals in this film are

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Humphrey Bogart Katharine
Hepburn and Robert Morley who

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plays Katharine Hepburn's
brother the missionary and he's

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out of the movie in the first
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So this really is a film that
almost completely solely

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features Bogey and Katharine
Hepburn and I will say Bob you

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brought up her brother the
Methodist missionary I'm just

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going to start this episode off
his his performance was

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horrendously bad.
So interesting, I didn't think

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this I didn't think so.
Oh my gosh, his eyes are always

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just blatantly wide open like oh
what is happening here?

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I cannot understand its I'm a
poor British man in Africa.

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I absolutely despised him.
I really like bogie.

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I really like Katharine Hepburn,
but what do you said his name

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was Robert Moore?
Ali yeah, he was really one of

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the worst performances I've seen
in a movie in a long time.

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It kind of reminds me of
Awakenings when they got the

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actual like real life
psychiatrist, dr.

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To play a role in the film you
remember him talking about?

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Yeah, like it reminded me of
that.

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It felt that overacted and
forced I could not so

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interesting.
So I was glad that he died like

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10 minutes into the movie.
But it was painful to watch him

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act.
Well Brad, I'll say this.

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I don't I don't really agree
with you but I agree with kind

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of the spirit behind what you're
saying because I think that the

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screenplay for this movie which
was written by John Huston as

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well as Pulitzer Prize winner
James Agee this screenplay

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really Paints in Broad Strokes
everyone.

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Who's not Bogey and Hepburn is a
caricature and that includes the

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native Africans in the movie,
which I'm sure we're going to

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get around to talking about but
Think for as far as Robert

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Morley goes in his performance
as Hepburn's brother.

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I don't know that it's
necessarily the he's giving a

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bad performance as much as he's
written as this one-dimensional

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cartoonishly Pious and offended
straight-laced British, man, and

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he's constantly reacting to the
things around him.

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He looks like he belongs in like
a Marx Brothers movie and I

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think you know, if you're going
to fall his performance for that

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you could say that he goes over
the top with it a little bit,

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but I honestly think that the
biggest flaw With this film is

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that the script doesn't really
treat anybody except the two

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leads as human beings.
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I mean, I think I look back
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And I look at Double Indemnity,
which we would just reviewed a

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week ago and none of the
characters in that movie came

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across as caricatures all the
characters have their own smart

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witty dialogue and I get that
you have Billy Wilder writing

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for you, but I just think the
movie could have been much

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better off if this Methodist
Missionary didn't come off as

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such a buffoon.
Like I really think that the

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movie was done a disservice by
how cartoonish his performance

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was.
Yeah.

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I think that's that's probably
fair.

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And before we get any further
into the performances Brad, I

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just want to make a couple quick
points about the movie itself.

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You know when this movie came
on.

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I watched it on Amazon Prime
last night.

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It has been restored.
I think in 2010, they restored

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the film and I have to say like
from a cinematography standpoint

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the movie looks pristine.
It is just a beautiful.

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A shot film and one thing that I
really love about John Huston is

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that you can't quite pin him
down by a certain style of

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filmmaking.
We saw The Treasure of the

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Sierra Madre and I think this
movie has some similarities to

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that in the way that it's filmed
in the sort of thematic things

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going on, but then you have
other movies that he made like

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The Maltese Falcon, which is
completely different than this

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looks different than this.
It's like an early film Noir,

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but one thing that I loved about
what Houston does in this movie

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with his Director of Photography
Jack Cardiff, they Make you feel

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the heat and the humidity of
Africa in this movie.

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I think from the beginning they
really really utilize the color

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palette Well, everybody's always
sweaty.

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Everybody is always dirty and I
felt like you really could get

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the sense of like the sights the
smells the feel of what it would

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be like to be on this River in
Africa.

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I was going to say if there's a
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it's how raw the movie is right
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Of the African Wilderness and a
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things it almost feels like it
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have like a soft British Voice
come over and say the wild

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hippopotamus is looking for his
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giraffe Escape its wrath like
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had that happen halfway through
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And and I think that's a good
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I think the movie is Redeemed by
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honest about how difficult it
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heart of Africa.
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definitely a strong redeeming
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doesn't have anything to do with
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any of those elements.
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this movie really struggles.
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this movie.
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things where I'm kind of like, I
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effort was put into what
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considered important movie
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Huston going.
Yeah, let's get raw and real and

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dirty and just see what we can
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Yeah brat and that's exactly the
point that I was thinking as you

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were talking at some point.
I had to start wondering I

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wonder how much of this movie
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Just an excuse for John Huston
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himself a trip to Africa so that
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hunt wild game in a really
sketchy way if you know what I

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mean like, oh, yeah, I think
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Is that the word that kept
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As I watched this movie was
trifle.

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It's a very inoffensive movie in
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It has on you.
It's a very pleasant movie to

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watch it's rousing.
It's fun and yet nothing in.

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It doesn't really say anything
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It doesn't really leave you with
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It's just like a fun Saturday
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it, you know, it could be Beyond
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I'd watch it and I'd enjoy it
and I don't really know that it

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goes any further than that you
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At all Habibi, what's this now
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I don't wonder you love voted.
Mr. All right.

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Yeah, I think if you view it in
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the movie.
I just I don't know like isn't

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this commonly considered like
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all time and that or am I off
base in that know you're

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absolutely not and again, I
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reputation of the movie comes
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I really do think and I don't
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this but I really do think that
the story behind the movie has

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fed the legend of the movie.
You know, this was one of the

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first movies to be shot on
location in such dangerous

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circumstances and the fact that
they got back alive at all kind

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of a thing was like, that's the
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This is the movie that Humphrey
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only Oscar for so there's a lot
of things that prop up the

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mythology of this film when the
American Film Institute came out

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with their list of the 100
greatest films in 1998 the

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African It was actually ranked
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Yeah, when and so 10 years later
when they redid the list as a

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10th anniversary special.
It had fallen all the way to

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number 65, which makes me think.
I don't know what it even be

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included today.
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starting to wake up to the fact
that the legend of this film is

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bigger than maybe the film
itself is and I think people are

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starting to re-evaluate the
movie on its own terms and not

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just that it's this classic
legendary.

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Story about how movies got made.
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I mean there is an admiration of
man Bogart and Hepburn and the

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crew went through a lot to make
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But in the end, I think I would
respect it a lot more if it had

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a good script and if it wasn't
it didn't feel like even Bogart.

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I feel like he's overacting
through a lot of the movie.

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I just I really struggle with a
lot of aspects of this movie and

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this might sound harsh.
I don't really care what they

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went through to make the movie.
I just want to see a good

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product and in my mind I saw a
really average 1950s movie.

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It wasn't anything impressive to
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Yeah, and we keep coming back to
this idea of the script and part

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of the script.
It isn't just the dialogue or

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the Direction behind it.
But it's the overall story and I

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feel like this is one of those
stories that you know, I've

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talked a few times about the
screen writing tips that I heard

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once about you always want each
scene to lead into the next.

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Next with a this happened.
So this happens or this happens,

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but this happens and it creates
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each story beat influencing the
next and they said you always

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want to avoid a story that goes
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and this happens because
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There's no there's no momentum.
There's no Arc being told and

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this is one of those movies that
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case.
It's like a poor man's sort of

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Indiana Jones where they get on
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And burned and they have to face
these natural obstacles and it's

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like okay, you know now they're
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Well, we got out of the
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So now they're facing leeches.
Well, we got away from the

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leeches.
Well now there's some Rapids and

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they got out of the Rapids.
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German Fort that's shooting at
them all they get by that and

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then every time they're not
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Well now we need to see more
they're falling in love so that

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something's happening and it
just kind of seems like after

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the fourth or fifth kind of
perilous situation that they get

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in it just kind of seems
Repetitive and you know that

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there really isn't any Stakes
because you know, both of them

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are going to get to the
destination that they're

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supposed to get to by the end of
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Yeah.
I mean, it's the sense that if

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you took each and every obstacle
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between them leaving on the
African queen to them blowing up

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the German boat.
You could just you honestly

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could just piecemeal it and go.
Yeah, let's just put this one

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here and that one there and you
could have done the German fort

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First at the start of the at the
start is the first obstacle or

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you could have done it as the
last obstacle and it wouldn't

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have mattered you so you jump
into that and you go.

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Well, you're just throwing a
bunch of random stuff together.

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I could do that.
Like I could just write you like

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yeah this bad thing could happen
and that bad things can happen

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and and there's no sense of
movement and I think one of the

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things that reinforces the lack
of movement is how suddenly

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Hepburn and bogey fall in love
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One minute, they're like not at
each other's throats, but

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they're not real happy with each
other and then all of a sudden

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Bogaerts shaves and Hepburn is
calling him Charlie Charlie

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dear.
How are you?

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And they're just deeply madly in
love and I'm just like what is

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going on in this script?
It doesn't have any sense of

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nuance.
It doesn't have any sense of

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subtlety.
It's just everything is very

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obvious and put in your face.
And man, I found myself halfway

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through the movie going like
okay, I get it.

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Just shove the romance of my
face.

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That's fine, but it gets really
tiresome after a while.

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So I don't think that I'm going
to be as as down on this movie

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as you are like just listening
to the language you're using to

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describe it.
I don't disagree with you, but I

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do think that it's a little bit
more effective than maybe you're

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letting on and I think part of
the reason for that Brad is the

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two leads that we have if it
wasn't Humphrey Bogart and

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Katharine Hepburn in the lead,
and I'm Not even talking about

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their chemistry, which is
something we can get into in the

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second half but just their
ability to take words written on

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a page and make them at least
seem plausible.

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I think this would be an
actively bad movie if it wasn't

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for them because you're right
like the romance aspect is very

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rushed.
There is not a lot of

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characterization going on.
You really don't find out very

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much about either of these two
people at all.

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You don't learn anything about
their backstories and yet I

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think that especially Katharine
Hepburn like her ability to

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emote her ability to that.
You can see what's going on

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under the surface in her eyes.
And the way she's she's angry or

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she's tearing up because she's
hurt.

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I think they can convey so much
more than what they were even

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given on the page that it does
elevate the script at to at

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least making a good movie in my
opinion.

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Yeah, Baba, I don't disagree.
I liked Bogart's performance

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less than Hepburn's because it
felt like Bogart was he was

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Subway or in between?
Tween being Rick from Casablanca

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and being Dobbs and Treasure of
the Sierra Madre.

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Like he's kind of smooth and
Suave and yet he's also kind of

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a dirty Tramp like homeless guy.
I don't know exactly what he's

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going for in this movie.
And it does it.

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It feels like by splitting
himself between being this this

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kind of weird guy that roams the
African river and the smooth

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Suave character.
It feels like you get a lesser

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performance from And because of
that I really I must say if

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there is a redeeming quality to
this movie.

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It's Katherine Hepburn, but even
her performance, I just think

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some of the lines that she was
given to deliver are just kind

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of ridiculous and unbelievable
and especially like Bogart

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points it out.
And so it's almost like a funny

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part of the script or Bogaerts
like listen now for everyone

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funny idea.
I've had you've had funny ideas

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that are 10 steps from my kind
of funny.

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Yes.
Mr. Obama.

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All this foolish talk about the
Louisa going down the river.

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What do you mean?
I mean, we ain't gonna do

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nothing of the sort.
Of course.

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We all wouldn't have said idea.
What an absurd idea what a lady

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you got said absurd ideas for
y1.

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And I kind of agree that the
entire plot to destroy this

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German boat just feels so so
force that I feel bad that

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Kathryn had to deliver those
lines.

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But in general when she's able
to just kind of sit back and

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stop worrying about the plot and
just worry about The Love Story

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between her and Humphrey.
I really do think that she turns

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in a spectacular performance.
Yeah.

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Well and Brad, I want to get
into talking about these

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performances a little bit more
in the second half because I

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took tons of notes, especially
on Katharine Hepburn.

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I really was blown away with her
performance in this movie.

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But for now, I think maybe it's
time for us to hit pause and to

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try this Bogaerts Irish whiskey.
Alright.

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So today we are reviewing
Bogaerts Irish whiskey now, this

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is a brand Bogaerts.
That is a partnership between

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the Humphrey Bogart estate,
which is run by his son Stephen

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Bogart and a corporation called
Rock drinks, which is owned by a

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billionaire who is also the
founder of Patron tequila.

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And so they came up with this
idea to kind of brand a bunch of

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different Spirits with the
Humphrey Bogart name.

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They make a gin they make a
vodka.

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I think they make a rum and they
make this Irish whiskey.

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Now this Irish whiskey is a
blend of single malt Irish,

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whiskey and grain whisky.
So it is a blended whiskey one

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of the big things about Irish.
Whiskey's that it has to be aged

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for three years in Ireland.
It has to be produced distilled

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an aged in Ireland.
And so they actually do they

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Source this whiskey from
Ireland, but it's aged there for

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three years and then they bring
it over to California where they

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finish it in X bourbon barrels
for an unspecified amount of

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time before they put it in the
bottles now Bob.

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I have a question.
Yeah, go ahead.

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Who makes these rules is this
like an American rule that to

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call it an Irish whiskey?
It has to be bottled in Ireland.

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Is that a rule in Ireland?
Like who decides that great

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question?
So this is actually an Irish

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rule just like America has
dictated what it means to be a

448
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bourbon.
Ireland is dictated what it

449
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,300
means to be an Irish whiskey, so
there's all kinds of rules for

450
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,800
like the the alcohol by volume
that it has to be distilled to

451
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,300
and how long it has to be aged.
And what kind of Barrels have to

452
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,100
be used things like that.
I Say with Irish whiskey, they

453
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:59,400
don't have to use new barrels if
they don't want to and there's

454
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,400
different varieties just like
with scotches.

455
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,500
We know we talked about the
difference between malt scotch

456
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:08,000
and grain Scotch between single
malt and Blended malt things

457
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,400
like that.
Those are all true as well of

458
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600
Irish whiskey.
So realistically though could

459
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,900
some American Distillery say
that they're distilling and

460
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,300
Irish whiskey because it tastes
kind of like an Irish whiskey

461
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,400
because like if I like who
enforces the rules does America

462
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,700
also in Forced back now.
You can't call that an Irish

463
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,100
whiskey because it doesn't
conform to these standards.

464
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,900
There's some regulating body.
It looks like it's the Irish

465
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,800
Department of Agriculture, but
they do have a rule that says

466
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,800
you cannot label package sell or
advertise or promote in any way

467
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,100
to suggest that your whiskey as
an Irish whiskey unless it meets

468
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,900
all of the relevant requirements
of Irish whiskey, so it sounds

469
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,800
like if you start marketing your
product as an Irish whiskey and

470
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,000
you're not at least getting the
stuff from Ireland and selling

471
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,300
it over here.
You're going to get sued by

472
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:54,800
Ireland's Department of
Agriculture.

473
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,000
Okay.
No, I'm down with that.

474
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,400
It's just stuff like that is
always curious to me.

475
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,900
Yeah, for sure.
And these are the things that

476
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,100
they don't tell you on the
bottle probably because it would

477
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:06,900
cost a lot to put that on a
label but you know the smallest

478
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,300
like riding on a label ever.
So yeah, this this Bogaerts

479
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,500
Irish whiskey is Blended.
It's three years old.

480
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,600
It's got some some aging and
bourbon casks as well.

481
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:18,800
I'm really excited to get into
trying it Brad.

482
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,500
You're a huge fan of Irish
whiskey.

483
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,300
I like some Irish whiskeys
others.

484
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,900
I'm cooler on so let's let's get
into it.

485
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,800
And what are you picking up on
the nose of this Bogaerts Irish,

486
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,100
whiskey, honestly, it's a
beautiful nose.

487
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,200
There's a little bit of hint of
like honey.

488
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,700
Almost it almost reminds me of
like a graham cracker type nose

489
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,900
and along with it.
There are a few deeper notes.

490
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,300
I feel like I get a little bit
of Plum on it.

491
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,600
Something's kind of a deeper
fruity nose to it.

492
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,000
It's a really refreshing nose,
and I'm going to give it an an 8

493
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,100
out of 10 on the nose when I was
nosing this Brad it took me

494
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,400
probably three.
Three solid minutes to try to

495
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200
figure out what this prominent
note was that I was getting

496
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800
because it was it was fruity but
in an almost like an artificial

497
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,100
way and I don't mean that in a
bad way, but I could tell that

498
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,600
it was like a candy fruit sent
as opposed to like are you know

499
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,900
an actual picking a peach off
the tree or something like that?

500
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,200
And I was racking my brain and
going back through all the

501
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,500
memories of eating candy that
I've ever had.

502
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,900
I'm gonna go like real obscure
with you.

503
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,600
All right when I was a kid and I
would go through the bank teller

504
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,200
line with my mom like the Em and
if they'd see that there was a

505
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,000
kid in the car.
They would always send out these

506
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,500
lollipops these suckers and it
was the suckers that have the

507
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,000
little safety thing on the end
like the loop for the popsicle

508
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,800
for the sucker stick that you
put in there so that you don't

509
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,900
choke as a kid.
Yeah.

510
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,900
It's it's that sent Brad.
It's the scent of an orange

511
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,600
safety lollipop it took me
forever to figure it out.

512
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,500
But as soon as I did I was like,
oh my gosh, it's this wonderful

513
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:56,000
sugary almost like an orange
popsicle kind of Scent to it and

514
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,600
and it is just this beautiful
sort of syrupy Aroma on top of

515
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,300
everything you're talking about.
You do get some of that the

516
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,200
multigrain e sort of thing that
you get from it.

517
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,300
You do have a little bit of that
honey sweet that you're talking

518
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,300
about as well.
But for me, there was also this

519
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,500
candy syrupy orange scent as
well.

520
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,300
I love this knows I'm going to
give it a seven and a half out

521
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,800
of ten on the nose.
Yeah, and and when you move into

522
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,800
the taste, I think that you just
have this beautiful mixture.

523
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:29,600
Of that those sweet notes mixed
with those fruity notes.

524
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,100
It's not spicy.
It's not in any way going to be

525
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:38,200
harsh this in my mind is the
epitome of what an Irish whiskey

526
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,600
should be it's smooth.
It's refreshing its skippable.

527
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,000
I just really really love this
palette.

528
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800
There's a little bit of that
depth with that Plum flavor that

529
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,700
I was thinking of earlier, Bob.
What are you picking up on the

530
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:53,300
taste?
So I'm having a different

531
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,700
experience on The Taste than you
are.

532
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:58,700
Rad I actually think that all of
the sweetness on the nose is not

533
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,500
present at all in the taste and
I'm not saying that's a bad

534
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,100
thing but it is a very drastic
difference between the nose and

535
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:07,300
the taste for me.
I get a ton of The Malt on this

536
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,900
I get a lot of barley.
It's almost kind of scotchy in a

537
00:30:11,908 --> 00:30:14,600
way, you know, we talked about
how sometimes Irish whiskey and

538
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
like a blended Scotch kind of
had those same flavors that they

539
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,000
share in common with each other.
This definitely has that I'm not

540
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,500
saying it's our it's definitely
not sour.

541
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,300
It's Italy not bitter it's just
unsweet and you get this really

542
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:32,700
great kind of dark grain body to
it on the tongue that has a

543
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,300
really good mouth feel like it's
definitely not super thin.

544
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,400
I do think you can tell that
it's 80 proof.

545
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,100
It's not a lot of alcohol but it
is an enjoyable taste even

546
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,300
though it's not super sweet.
I'm going to give it a 6 on the

547
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,000
taste.
Well, I'm gonna stick it an

548
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800
eight on the taste.
I really enjoyed this palette

549
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400
and for me the finishes where I
picked up more of those grainy

550
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,800
notes that you were talking
about.

551
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:59,100
Out I feel like you just get
some beautiful notes of malted

552
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:04,100
barley and Grains and that's
where I feel like the smoothness

553
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:08,100
kind of Peters out into getting
what those raw grains are

554
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:12,100
offering but it doesn't it
doesn't sit on your on your

555
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:13,800
palate for a long time
afterwards.

556
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,300
It finishes smooth.
I think I'm going to give it a 7

557
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,900
on the Finish.
Yeah, so I think a lot of what's

558
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:21,800
on the taste carries through to
the finish for me.

559
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800
It's definitely darker.
It's definitely less sweet I do.

560
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,500
Like a really really Pleasant
burn going down.

561
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,300
It's not like what we would call
a Kentucky hug with bourbon.

562
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,100
It doesn't feel like there's
alcohol stuck in my esophagus,

563
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,000
but it definitely makes itself
known and I really like that

564
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,800
because again, this is an 80
proof whiskey so it's on the

565
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,100
lowest possible end of what it
would take to be called an Irish

566
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:46,000
whiskey and it doesn't really
make itself known from an

567
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,700
alcohol point of view until
after you swallow and that

568
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,200
finish the Finish is fairly
lasting.

569
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,800
It's definitely a mouth-watering
finish.

570
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
It's not super dry.
I really We appreciate this

571
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,000
finish.
I'm gonna give it a six and a

572
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,200
half on the finish.
I think this is a solid whiskey

573
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,000
all around so far Brad I do too.
And when I when I come to

574
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,700
balance to kind of finish off
our scores for the tasting part

575
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:10,600
of it, I think this is a really
well-balanced whiskey you are

576
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,900
right Bob and saying that the
nose promises a little more

577
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:18,000
sweetness than you get but I
don't really consider that a

578
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,000
flaw in this whiskey the balance
isn't the place where this

579
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000
whiskey shines but Still going
to give it a 7 out of 10 on

580
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800
balance.
Yeah, I think that we a few

581
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,100
weeks ago.
We defined our definitions of

582
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:34,800
what balance is and you were
actually a little bit more

583
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,700
bullish on saying that you think
it has to do with consistency

584
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,700
that if you pick up a note in
the knows that it better be

585
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,800
there on the taste.
I've never been that guy I will

586
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,900
say that it is pretty drastic
the difference between the nose

587
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:50,100
and The Taste very few of the
notes that I got on the nose

588
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:51,800
actually carried over to The
Taste.

589
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,700
However, I think this was a
solid.

590
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,700
See all the way through the nose
was spectacular The Taste was

591
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,400
was pretty good and the Finish
was good.

592
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,800
And so because of that I'm going
to give it a I'm gonna give it a

593
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,900
6 on balance and that takes us
to overall value.

594
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:10,600
And this is where things get a
little bit tricky Brad because

595
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,900
Bogart Spirits is based out of
California.

596
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,700
It's not sold in the state of
Ohio.

597
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:17,200
I actually reached out to their
rep that we've been working with

598
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
and I haven't heard back as far
as what their distribution is.

599
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:24,500
So I don't know what states in
the union you can walk into a

600
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,200
liquor.
Store and find a bottle of

601
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,900
Bogaerts on the Shelf.
They sell it on their website.

602
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
But you know for now I think we
have to go off of the assumption

603
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,800
that maybe it's not for sale in
any state on the shelf and we're

604
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,700
just directing people to the
Bogaerts Spirits website on

605
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,600
their website this bottle cost
$34.99, which I think is a

606
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
really reasonable price for an
Irish whiskey, especially one

607
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,100
that's been aged in Ireland
imported and then finished in

608
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,600
Bourbon barrels.
They've clearly done their work

609
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,700
on this.
I think it's a good solid

610
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,900
whiskey.
And I want to hear before I give

611
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,900
a score Brad.
What would you give this on

612
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,600
value at a 3499 price tag?
Honestly Bob.

613
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,400
I think that if this was just $5
cheaper, I would probably give

614
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,600
it a 10 out of 10.
Like this was a $30 whiskey I

615
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,000
would go holy cow.
This is like perfect value as it

616
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,400
is $35 is just on that edge of
well, I'd buy it every once in a

617
00:34:20,408 --> 00:34:24,900
while, but honestly Bob, I think
this is really good value I am I

618
00:34:24,908 --> 00:34:26,900
said really good.
I mean nine out of ten.

619
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,400
This is a great value whiskey, I
think it's eminently drinkable

620
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:34,800
smooth and delicious.
So I'm going to give it a 9 out

621
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,699
of 10.
Yeah.

622
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:37,800
So this is where I really
struggle Brad because if you're

623
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,199
buying it online, you know,
we're saying that it's $35, but

624
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,800
that also means that you're
going to have to pay for

625
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,400
shipping at $35.
I think I would give this like

626
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,100
an 8 out of 10 on value.
I think it's a really really

627
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:54,000
solid Irish whiskey at $45
including shipping things change

628
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,300
really quickly for Me so I want
to say I'm going to score this

629
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,200
based off of the actual price
tag the $34.99.

630
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:04,200
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10, but buyer beware if this is

631
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,900
not sold on the Shelf near you
you're going to have to pay the

632
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,600
shipping cost and you have to
factor that in for yourself.

633
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,300
As far as is this worth forty
five dollars or whatever else

634
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,900
more it might be as opposed to
the $34.99 price tag.

635
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,100
Yeah, Bob.
I'm not going to disagree with

636
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,900
you if you can buy this in store
for $35.

637
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,200
It's a 9 out of 10 if this A $45
whiskey my score would honestly

638
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,500
drop to about a six and a half
or a 7 out of 10 $45.

639
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,100
You're starting to get to that
point where like yeah this I

640
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,100
might buy this once and go in
with two or three friends and

641
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,500
we'll share it but $35 is a good
price.

642
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,000
So Brad, what's that bringing
you out to as far as your final

643
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,500
score?
Well, if you're buying it in

644
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:52,300
store, then my final score comes
to a 39 out of 50.

645
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,500
Yeah.
I figured this would be pretty

646
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:55,200
high for you Brad.
I know how How much you love

647
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,900
your Irish whiskey this is
bringing me out to a 34 out of

648
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:59,700
50.
I do think this was a really

649
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,900
really good a solid whiskey.
We really appreciate Bogaerts

650
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,300
for sending this to us that's
been really fun to pair it up

651
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:08,700
with an actor for a movie.
So we appreciate the opportunity

652
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:13,200
that brings us to a seventy
three out of a hundred or a 36.5

653
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,800
out of 50.
I would wholeheartedly recommend

654
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,900
this Brad are you recommending?
Oh 100% It's a really delicious

655
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,800
whiskey if you can get your
hands on it by all means go for

656
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,500
it.
All right, well You say we carry

657
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,100
this Goodwill into the second
half of our episode on the

658
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,700
African queen.
Let's get to it.

659
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,900
Alright, so that was Bogaerts
Irish, whiskey a whiskey that we

660
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,900
both really enjoyed and heartily
recommended.

661
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,200
We're getting back into talking
about the African queen.

662
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,900
And before we left off Brad, it
sounded like your true feelings

663
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:27,500
about this movie.
We're really starting to come

664
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:29,100
out.
So I tried to rein us in a

665
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:32,800
little bit and get us to focus
on the acting in this movie you

666
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,100
talked about the performance of
the brother in this movie II

667
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,200
don't disagree with you on that,
but I will say that I think both

668
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,300
of the lead performances in this
film are fantastic and

669
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,600
especially Hepburn I've seen
this movie probably between five

670
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,900
and ten times and it's always
been a fun watch for me.

671
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,800
It's one of those movies I can
kind of throw on and if I want

672
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,800
to pay attention like grade and
if not, it's still entertaining

673
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,200
this time watching Katharine
Hepburn react to What Bogart is

674
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,500
doing to her in the scene where
they've burned down the village

675
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,500
her brother has just died in
Bogart as it, you know, this

676
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:10,300
drunk slob comes wandering in
and she has to break the news to

677
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,100
him that her brother has died
and he just kind of like well,

678
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,500
sorry.
Sorry, you got a spade.

679
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,800
I'll bury him for you.
The absolute contempt that this

680
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,600
woman has for Bogart is so
obvious in her eyes.

681
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,900
And this is one of the great
things about Hepburn is just how

682
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:30,000
expressive her face can be and
how she can use it so subtly

683
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,100
like she doesn't have to do
these big over-the-top reactions

684
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000
when they're on the boat and he
gets drunk and he calls her a

685
00:38:36,008 --> 00:38:39,700
skinny old maid and you see her
start to break down and

686
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,300
internalized these insults
because you know that this is

687
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,300
something she's insecure.
About her brother had been kind

688
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,900
of rambling as he was
disoriented on his deathbed

689
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,500
about how his sister's not very
pretty but she could be a

690
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:53,400
missionary to so, you know, this
is something that her character

691
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:57,300
feels really really deeply and
then the moment where they

692
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,200
finally have a breakthrough
where he comes over and puts his

693
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,000
hand on her shoulder and she
decides to hold his hand you can

694
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,600
see that she's almost crying and
she does it that she's finally

695
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,500
found a place of forgiveness
that she's finally found it in

696
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:15,000
herself to love this man.
That she's finally found a

697
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,600
romance that her character is
clearly been longing for in her

698
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
life.
I think she's able to portray

699
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,500
things about this character that
aren't even there on the page.

700
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,300
I don't disagree with you.
I think that Hepburn really is a

701
00:39:28,308 --> 00:39:31,800
spectacular actress and Beyond
The Spectacular actress.

702
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,400
I think she's one of the best
we've ever had the problem for

703
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,500
me.
Is that like even in the scene

704
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:41,100
where her brother is?
Well, she's not a very calmly

705
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,200
woman, but she might be good for
the missions.

706
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,100
Hold the lines that he speaks
and the way he delivers them are

707
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:52,500
so unbelievable to real life
that for me.

708
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:55,300
It almost took me out of the
movie.

709
00:39:55,300 --> 00:40:00,000
So deeply that like you almost
Miss what a good performance

710
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,500
that she is giving and
unfortunately, I kind of feel

711
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,900
the same way about Bogart.
I just when I watch Bogart in

712
00:40:06,908 --> 00:40:11,400
this movie his lines that he
gets her just so ridiculous in

713
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,700
out there that you're not Bogart
delivers them.

714
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:19,600
Well, the the script is so
ridiculous that I think it draws

715
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,700
me away from what an amazing
performance Hepburn is giving

716
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,600
and so I struggle to see is she
just giving a great performance

717
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,900
or his is her performance just
good and despite of a terrible

718
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:34,500
script.
Yeah, and I honestly I think

719
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:38,100
that's true of both the leads
because this would not be the

720
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:41,200
movie that I would have picked
for Humphrey Bogart to win an

721
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Oscar for oh, dude.
Got it all and a lot of people

722
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,300
at the time even thought that
this was kind of a makeup Oscar

723
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,400
for the one that he wasn't even
nominated for four Treasure of

724
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,700
the Sierra Madre in 1948.
He made a couple films in the

725
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:57,300
interim.
He was still one of the biggest

726
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,900
stars in Hollywood.
I think the he got a lot of the

727
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:04,700
popular vote at this time.
So in 1951 Marlon Brando burst

728
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,800
on the scene, he had been in
just one or two movies and then

729
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,000
he comes out with A Streetcar
Named Desire.

730
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,800
He's just super buff muscular
method actor.

731
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,800
It's a pletely new thing in
Hollywood.

732
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,800
He's you know, he's on the
street screaming Stella.

733
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,700
It's an iconic moment.
But a lot of people in Hollywood

734
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:22,400
the the sort of Old Guard in
Hollywood were not prepared to

735
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,400
vote for Marlon Brando as best
actor and I think that Humphrey

736
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Bogart really reaped the
benefits of that.

737
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:30,800
I always like to play this sort
of mental game of what would

738
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,000
have been because if he had just
gotten the Oscar for Treasure of

739
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
the Sierra Madre like he should
have gotten or even for

740
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,500
Casablanca back in 1942.
Like he should have gotten I

741
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,200
think Marlon Brando probably
would have taken home the Oscar

742
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,100
in This year and this is the
game that the Oscar play is they

743
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,000
always kind of give awards for
Lifetime Achievement over what's

744
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
actually happening in the moment
and that's not to say that

745
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,100
Bogart is bad in this movie.
I think he's actually quite good

746
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,000
but to some degree, he's just
playing the Humphrey Bogart

747
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,400
character that you were
referencing earlier.

748
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,100
It's like somewhere in between
the hard Edge sort of gangster

749
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,600
roles that he played earlier his
career and the sort of sloppy

750
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,200
loud aggressive type that he
played in Treasure of the Sierra

751
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,900
Madre.
Honestly bobbed it.

752
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,900
The problem with this
performance is that it just it's

753
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:21,500
a caricature of a real person.
I think that Hepburn was the

754
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,900
only one who received a script
that was somewhat realistic but

755
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,800
like, you know one of both of
our favorite films of all time,

756
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,400
it's a wonderful life you have
this one character in that movie

757
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,800
who continually comes back to
Jimmy Stewart.

758
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,800
And you know, do you remember
him talking about where he goes?

759
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,500
Hee-Haw Hee-Haw?
Yeah.

760
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:42,000
It's a what's up.
How you doing?

761
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:46,900
That's who I thought. of what
when bogie is like trying to

762
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:51,800
imitate these hippopotamuses and
he's jumping up and down and I

763
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,800
just thought is this what we're
reducing one of the greatest

764
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,700
stars in Hollywood history to it
just felt so ridiculous like

765
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:07,500
it's fine and it's a wonderful
life for a minor character to be

766
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,700
ridiculous and makes strange
child like noises out of his

767
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,700
mouth, but it's another other
thing to make one of the

768
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,900
greatest actors of all time to
do it in a movie where like you

769
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,600
said, he and Hepburn are the
only real people in the movie

770
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,900
Baba.
I'm just going to sum it up.

771
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,600
I hate this script.
Yeah.

772
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,600
I really really hate it and it
causes me it causes me

773
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,200
conniptions to no end to think
about what could have been with

774
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,500
this movie if it had a good
script.

775
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,300
Yeah, and and I think it's kind
of surprising.

776
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,200
I think the degree that this
script does At work because it

777
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,100
has some incredible
screenwriters behind it.

778
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,500
It's adapted from a novel like
this should this should work

779
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:53,800
better than it does and I think
that the key to this movie in

780
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,800
terms of like how I would sum it
up Brad is good enough like it's

781
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,900
a good enough movie.
It's enjoyable.

782
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,600
It's got serviceable
performances from two of the

783
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,500
best actors of all time.
Then them turning in their be

784
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,500
game is the a game of anyone
else but kind of to break it

785
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,000
down here Brad.
I think I'm going to give my

786
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
final score on this movie.
I don't dislike this.

787
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,200
Gee, I think I probably like it
more than you.

788
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,700
Do.
I find it enjoyable.

789
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,800
I think it's worth seeing I
think it's worth.

790
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,600
You know, if you're a classic
movie person.

791
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600
It's definitely worth owning but
I don't think it's any more than

792
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,300
a seven and a half.
This is like a three out of four

793
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,300
star kind of movie.
It's held up.

794
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,900
Okay over the last almost 70
years now, but it just doesn't

795
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,300
have any depth to it and I use
that word earlier trifle to

796
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,900
describe it and I think this is
just a fun enjoyable trifle of a

797
00:44:38,908 --> 00:44:41,200
movie.
I would never put it anywhere

798
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
near a hundred best films of all
time.

799
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:46,300
List, I don't even know this
would be like a top-five bogart

800
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,400
for me.
But you know, I'm anxious to

801
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,500
hear what you think Brad, but I
would give it a seven and a half

802
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,900
out of ten.
Yeah, you know going into this.

803
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:57,500
I was thinking I would give it
anywhere from a 6 to a 7 but

804
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,500
honestly, you know as an
external processor.

805
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,500
I reserve the right to change my
opinion after I've talked about

806
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,400
my opinion.
So honestly Bob the the more I

807
00:45:07,408 --> 00:45:13,400
look at this movie and the more
I consider just how genuinely A

808
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,500
awful this script is you know,
we didn't get into it.

809
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,800
But I think that the racial
profiling and treatment of

810
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,100
native Africans is beyond that
it's actually really offensive

811
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:30,000
and really horrendous.
I just really struggle with this

812
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,900
movie.
I'm going to give it a 5 out of

813
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:36,300
10 and I honestly I think that
Bogart and Hepburn Turnin Great

814
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:40,200
Performances for what they were
given and the only reason this

815
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,500
movie is a 5 out of 10 for me is
because their performances We

816
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:48,500
had up to that like you said,
it's just kind of a fun romp of

817
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:53,200
a movie but there's a lot of
problems with it and I'm not

818
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,900
going to recommend it.
Wow.

819
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,800
So we're divided on a movie for
the first time this season

820
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:00,800
Brad's not recommending I am
recommending but we want to know

821
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,400
what you have to say.
This is a classic film.

822
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,500
I imagine that a lot of people
listening Brad are going to be

823
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:08,100
fans of this movie.
So if you'd like to respond to

824
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,200
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825
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200
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826
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,400
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827
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,500
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828
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:24,400
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829
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,400
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830
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,400
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831
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,100
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832
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,900
We're going to be coming back
into modern times Brad for the

833
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:42,000
film that brought Martin
Scorsese his one and only best

834
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,800
director Oscar. 2006 has The
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835
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,400
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836
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:50,800
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