Terminator 2: Judgment Day / Knob Creek Bourbon (ft. Ian Nathan)

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In 1991 director, James Cameron
and starred Arnold

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Schwarzenegger.
Gave the world an explosive

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sequel.
That reverse roles for one of

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the greatest villains of all
time.

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In 2023, we take a return trip
to Kentucky, to try one of the

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Jim Beam corporations, small
batch selections.

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The film is Terminator, 2:
Judgment Day.

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The whiskey is Knob Creek nine
year and more of you them, both

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this is the film and whiskey
podcast,

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welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and
this week we are Wrapping up our

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four-week mini retrospective of
the films of James, Cameron with

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1991's Terminator, 2, Judgment
Day.

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Brad I have been waiting for
this week for a long time and in

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my professional opinion you know
as a man who analyzes film on

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the regular this film freaking
rips.

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Dude, this is such a good movie
and, you know, it's a recurring

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theme with our James Cameron
episode.

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So far that we haven't gone as
deep into the the Deep themes of

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his movies.
Because there is so much there

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to talk about from a technical
standpoint and because Cameron

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is just Just, you know, frankly
not the most subtle in terms of

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burying his themes.
So it's been really interesting

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and kind of brief to talk about
his films so far.

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And I think today is really no
exception to that.

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Yeah, I mean for me coming into
T2 I was excited to see that it

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was made in 1991 because as I
got through the film, I realized

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there's like almost no trace of
the 80s in this movie and that

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immediately bumped it up in my
Noted hater of 1980s culture.

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Brad G has emerged.
And if you're joining us right

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now, you can hear in the
background, a third chuckle, and

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that chuckle belongs to our
special guest for the day, film

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writer and historian, Ian,
Nathan, he's joining us all the

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way from the UK.
It is 8 p.m. at the time of

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recording.
We had initially asked him to

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come on at a time that would
have been 1:30 in the morning

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his time.
So thank you for being flexible

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and making concessions in and we
appreciate you.

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Being here now, obviously,
pleasure, and I want to Delights

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talk about 10 minutes to
Judgment Day.

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You have to kind of put the
emphasis on Judgement Day, no

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matter how you say Judgment Day,
that's what it is.

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The first question, and maybe
the most important that I'll ask

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you is, did the UK release of
this film include the, the e in

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the word judgment.
Now, it didn't, it didn't end

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things that confounded
sub-editors and sort of

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designers.
In the UK, I used to work on the

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film magazine.
And we always have to think

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about Judgment Day.
I he was one of the girls little

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rule book and it was always like
Terminator 2 Judgment Day Noe.

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Oh, how was that one?
What are these Americans?

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Like, they're polluting our
language, but we had to accept

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without all those extra.
He's they have in their right.

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Well we're going to take Ian's
word at face value today because

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he is one of the UK's best known
film writers.

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He's a former editor at Empire.
He was editor-in-chief of Empire

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online.
He'd been the producer of the

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Empire awards for 15 years.
He also literally wrote the book

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on James Cameron.
In addition, to writing

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retrospectives on a number of
filmmakers, he has a newly

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released book on James Cameron.
It's not his first book on James

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Cameron or his films which is I
think what makes them even more

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of an expert in our eyes.
So and I have to ask you, you

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know, you've written books on
the Cullen Brothers, you've

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written you know, Wes Anderson
Guillermo del Toro, what is it

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about Cameron's films and
Cameron as a figure that makes

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you continue to return to him as
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That's it's a very good
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I think part of it is how I grew
up and the films are grew up

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with.
And the age.

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I was seeing the original
Terminator on VHS and sort of

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coming in and seeing aliens,
which had a profound effect on

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me at cinema, and in the levels
of excitement, and aliens, still

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hit me.
And then terminated to coming in

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1991, I just started to become a
film writer and critic at that

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point and the anticipation for
Terminator 2 was.

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So Huge.
So he's a huge part of my life.

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Press, when you write about
directors and you choose your

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subjects, there's a sense of
what will make a great book.

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What will tell a great story?
And as I'm sure you guys have

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been talking about in the
previous week's, there's pretty

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few directors, who tell a story
like James Cameron, and the

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story of the making of his films
is equally incredible.

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So he's such a great subject to
that group.

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Grapple with to tell.
And as a sort of it's a quote

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machine.
He is a just a fabulous self

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mythologize.
A he just talks like statements,

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you know, one liners camera and
gives you the material.

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And it just is one of the
Innocence of the easiest books

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I've ever in only.
And I mean, it was easy because

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it's a easy subject.
It's just that the story flows

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from one film to the next and
the momentum of Cameron's life

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is just incredible.
So he was Of a gift, in a way,

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we've done a few things on the
podcast, where the making of the

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film is the stuff of Legend in,
you know, obviously Apocalypse

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Now is probably the prime
example of that.

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And that, fantastic documentary,
hearts of Darkness, that came

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out of that.
And with Cameron, I feel like

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you get those stories with every
subsequent film there.

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I mean, the behind-the-scenes
gems from movies like this.

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The ringer did a fantastic oral
history.

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Auntie to a couple years ago and
I was reading through it today

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and just pulling quotes out of
Because like you said to hear

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camera and talk about himself
and talk about his belief in his

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own, ambition is hilarious, but
it's also something that he

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continually backs up.
He sold off the rights for

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Titanic in our, he waved his
director's fee on Titanic.

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He did kind of a similar thing
with the first Terminator, where

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he sold off his own rights to
the film, to make sure that it

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got released, and that played a
huge part in whether or not,

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they could secure the rights to
even make Terminator 2.

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And so, So, you know, he talks a
big game but he's also willing

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to go to some pretty drastic
lengths to make sure that his

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vision is realized up on the
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Yeah, I mean, people always talk
about James Cameron's ego and it

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was the here that the kind of
power of His personality.

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There's a great quote, from
Michael, biehn is always said

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that James Cameron doesn't have
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His films have an ego.
So when he makes them the films

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are just, you know, the
obsession that he has and they

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are the driving force, they're
more important than The money.

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He makes them more important
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He wields, the film is all
important and turns.

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I think turns him into something
of a Madman sometimes to get to

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where he needs to be.
But pursuing that vision is what

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Cameron wants to do.
And what he's so good at and

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with the strength and talent
that He has often, he gets near

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to that thing in his head, I
don't know if he's ever quite

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got to the perfect films in his
head but that is the driving

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force behind him.
He he honestly feels like a real

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life version of almost every
single Tom, Cruise character

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from the BBC did in the 80s and
90s like just utterly driven to

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prove everyone wrong and create
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whatever it is that he's good
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movies and and he makes a hell
of a good movie, man.

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Yeah, I really say.
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James Cameron's biggest rival is
James Cameron.

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So he's always got to go.
One better than himself.

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He's always got to kind of
Outreach what he did before and

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go further.
And, you know, it must be really

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hard living in James Cameron's
head because the drive to better

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yourself all the time just goes
on and on, oh, absolutely.

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To the point where in order to
realize these Visions, he has to

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invent new technology with each
film.

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He makes now, it's not even a
question of.

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All right, how do I secure the
funding or how do I get the

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perfect, you know, assemble the
perfect dream that passed its,

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how do I invent a camera that
can Actually capture these

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things that are going on in my
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And once I do that, then I can
go ahead and execute the film.

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It's staggering the kind of
things that are going on in his

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mind.
Yeah, yeah.

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In some ways, he did, the word
director doesn't really apply to

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James Cameron.
He's Explorer inventor.

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So, diviner of the future and it
has an astonishing Instinct and

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it's something.
I don't think he would be able

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to explain himself for what Mass
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You know, if you look at the
figures, On his films as a show

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you been doing.
Yeah.

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He puts everyone in the shade
lucre Spielberg all the great

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hit film makers of the Modern
Age then nothing can.

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But you know, compared to
Cameron in fact, when I did that

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on the new book, I kind of
calculated presuming.

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You can't really put a value on
the Mona Lisa or the Sistine

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Chapel James Cameron is the most
successful artists of all time

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in any medium, you know, he as
an Do I know you can say Disney

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as a corporation, make sure it
money, but but as an individual

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is no one who comes close to
him.

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And yet he's kind of neglected
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He's kind of always just sort of
he's over there doing his thing.

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Yeah, one of the reasons I
wanted to write a book about him

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now because I thought there
wasn't enough out there that

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took him seriously, and I wanted
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Well, we are incredibly excited
that you're on board today to

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join us in that endeavor.
We are going to switch over to

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America's favorite segments, and
I say that, like in a very

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combative way because we're
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today.
But America's favorite segment

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is called, Brad explains.
This is where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen often for the

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first time.
Brad was this your first time

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viewing Terminator 2.
This was my absolute first time

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the film up.
So excited.

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I'm so excited.
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For those of you who are new to
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of what we're doing here is that
I grew up consuming movies

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frequently and voraciously, I'm
a huge, huge film buff, and Brad

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is one of my best friends and we
started kind of introducing each

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other to our shared loves of
films and whiskey.

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When we lived in Kentucky
together, a few years back.

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And so each week, we're watching
a new classic movie.

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And a lot of times that means
that Brad is catching it for the

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very first time.
It is always a surprise.

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In a movie as successful as
something like Terminator 2, has

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gone unseen by Brad.
But that also means that we get

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the most unfiltered version of
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He has, you know, there's not a
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into consideration.
It's just, was this good?

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Was it not good?
Was I bored?

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And that is what Brad explains
is all about Brad.

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We've put a minute on the clock
for you to break down the plot

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of this movie and go to butt
naked.

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Robots are sent back from the
future in order.

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To track down a human.
This human is a 10 year old

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who's pretty much a
fourteen-year-old going through

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puberty pretty hard.
He is the future leader of the

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resistance.
One of these robots looks like

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the robot from the last movie
played by Arnold Schwarzenegger

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and he this time is sent to
protect John Connor.

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The other robot is sent to kill.
John Connor, chaos ensues

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Connors mother is an absolute
badass and is able to just

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destroy everyone and she's
really cool and is awesome.

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She's also in a mental ward and
has to get broken out and they

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stop cyberdyne from making the
Terminators and they win the

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war.
The end Island.

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I love when you can tell that
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mounting as the last 20 seconds
tick away because Brad just

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start saying stuff like she's
cool and she's awesome I would

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give this movie One thumbs up.
There you go.

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Oh man.
Alright Brad where would you

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like to start today?
Do you want to talk a little bit

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about this movie in relation to
the first Terminator?

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Do you just want to give opening
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making?
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Performances.
Where should we steer this ship?

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I think it's worth talking about
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the the primary reason this film
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original Terminator is because I
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performances out of everybody
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You know, I think that Michael
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the first one but comparatively
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I think that T2 has just really
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everybody.
You see Schwarzenegger growing

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as an actor.
I think that Furlong as John

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Connor does a really great job
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steroids and is awesome.
So yeah, let's start with Linda

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Hamilton.
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our chief complaints from the
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Hamilton is not really given
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there for her.
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bit for that Cameron took a lot
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of the late 70s, and early 80's
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film.
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Hamilton is a variation on that
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of coaxing involved to get Linda
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way they flush the character out
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goal that she wanted to be crazy
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And it's really interesting to
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because he's like, what do you
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Like you're in an institution,
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be crazy, just make sure that's
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It's like all right.
Cool, we'll do it.

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She know she works out for I do
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personal trainer Brad.
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that you really started to see
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body on screen in a way like
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bodybuilding involved and that,
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her, she's doing chin-ups and It
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at 91.
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and especially that physical
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part 2, here, it really does
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come with the way that her
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And I think it's, I mean, just
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personal trainer she looks
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visual cue for where this story
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it's going an unpredictable
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What she really did best was
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can really break you as a person
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key moments where you can tell
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great actress for me.
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Arnold for the first time.
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Oh my gosh, the the absolute
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she runs back into the arms of
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To get away from him is
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It makes the first movie like
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scene that, you know, obviously
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watching on its own, but just to
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that scene, I oh my gosh, dude,
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Yeah it's just it's great too.
If you look at the concept to

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Terminator 2 it's everything is
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So yeah, Arnold is bad.
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this film and I think, when they
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character is Sarah Connor.
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sort of was coming, you say, I
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Jim, I'm not coming back and
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It made perfect sense to Cameron
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obviously she knows the world is
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her and that's going to drive
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But the idea brilliantly, is
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the future to somehow defeat
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She's turning herself into a
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Yeah and if you look at the the
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and Edward Furlong you know, in
the sense the joke is that she's

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a better Terminator and he's a
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Hmm.
The boy is that?

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Everything is inverted.
Yeah and that's kind of this,

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the great skill of Cameroon is
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Certainly of a sequel and say,
well, I'm going to work out how

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to spin everything on its head
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Sarah Connor is the least likely
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He's unlike this car waitress in
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Say now he's saying right?
Well how can I turn her from

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what we saw in the first film?
Into this extraordinary vision

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of kind of tough Commando asked
violence in a way and it is say

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she trained for a year.
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forced teacher, and she could
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looking, and she could pick her
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I mean, is absolute almost
method dedication from Linda

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Hamilton.
And I think what I love about

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Cameron in the way he subverts
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such a way that is like making
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past.
Like I feel like if you think

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about the words subverting
expectations in 2022, you almost

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know that if somebody's trying
to do that they're doing.

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So in such a way where it's
dishonoring the past and like

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saying that the past was bad.
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does here is Is he just twists
what he did in the first movie?

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But he does it in such a way
that a, it makes sense within

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the world of the film.
Like you said, yes, she has seen

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the, the coming end of all
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So this would make sense for
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way where you still see her
humanness breakthrough, she has

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moments where, you know, she's
trying to kill this this

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computer programmer and she
can't do it and and she's almost

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weeping afterwards and you know
her son brings out the best in

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her.
The Way, any child, should bring

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out the best in their parents.
And so there's so many moments

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like that as well, that that
camera just hits all the right

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beats with her area of the
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Yeah, absolutely.
And you can, obviously there's

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the chain of characters in
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about a lot, strong female
leads.

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But, you know, there's a lot of
rickly in her and his work was

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corny.
Weaver there's the terrific Mary

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Elizabeth Mastrantonio from the
abyss, there's kind of a

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progression.
I think and he's returned to

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Sarah.
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includes those performances
before and his own mother

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Cameron's own mother, you know,
belong to this of Canadian

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Reserve Army and would go away
on weekends in fatigues and you

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know, you had a stripped-down
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So I think there's a lot of
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well with the character.
I'm really interested in it has

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camera never gone on record
talking about the way that his

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deepening of the character of
Ripley.

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In Aliens informed, the way he
deep in the character of Sarah

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Connor here, like does he like
to draw that comparison or is

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that something that he kind of
leaves on said?

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He's never made a direct
comparison in that way.

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I think he's certainly spoken
about his progression as a

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director was very influenced by
the people.

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He got to work with and it's
Sigourney Weaver was very

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important to him in the sense of
you know she's tough to go any

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Weaver.
So she took stood up to him and

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his Hans.
And I think he learned a lot

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from how to handle an actress
with Sigourney Weaver that he

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took forward into the the future
films and I just think he has

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come back to the word Instinct.
You know, the idea is that he

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sort of fleshes out with in his
films are always driven by human

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themes, and I will come on two
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But motherhood keeps returning
as a theme in the films and

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terminated to it is a film about
motherhood, which is not a great

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mother.
He's gone mad but she has to

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awaken to the idea that
actually, as well as trying to

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save Humanity.
She's got a sort of save her

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relationship with her son.
That's Cameron.

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Yeah.
He dresses up, apocalyptic ideas

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in very Universal themes and
like he says, every film I make

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is a love story and I kind of
get that they're not necessarily

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romantic love stories at this
little jerk about family.

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Love stories but that's what
drives the the kind of

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accessibility of his films.
Well, any up for all of his An

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innovation, he keeps hitting on
a very specific formula that I

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suppose, if it's not broke,
don't fix it.

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But all of his sequels have
improved upon their

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predecessors.
I would say, that's my opinion

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by adding the element of family
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Right.
I mean, he doesn't aliens by

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introducing that character to be
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He does it here with Terminator
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He just did it with Avatar.
The way of water.

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I was really blown away at the
The emotional depth that Cameron

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was kind of able to plumb with
that movie and the way that he

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chooses to end that film, I'm
not, I know.

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I'm sure by now, most people
have seen it, but I'm not going

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to give away the final scene of
that film, but it was so small

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and so quiet and so profoundly
heartbreaking for a James

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Cameron film, and I thought it
was a really bold move to end

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the film that way, but you know
what?

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He take a step back and just
kind of look at it from a 30,000

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foot view, it just kind of seems
like he has Found the secret to

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success for sequels, and that is
introduced those emotional

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Stakes that were absent from the
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Absolutely.
He fundamentally he's like

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Hitchcock and that and, and
Spielberg directed toward a

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degree in that, he thinks from
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to what will they feel?
And think from his films, you

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know, not what can I do, how
will they react is what drives

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him then all the equivalents of
technology and writing and

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ambition follow that?
So, you know with Terminator, it

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wasn't just a case of how do I
do, how can I better the first

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film?
How can I do more?

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It's about what moves people,
what drives the audience to feel

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things.
And any other famous story is

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that William wish you who wrote
the screenplay with him is that

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his old friend.
When they sat down.

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Finally, to write Terminator 2
cameras, got this kind of

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weathered yellow legal pad and
he's just written on the

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Terminator.
Comes back from the future to

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save the boy.
Boy, he's going to make me out

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to look after the boy and he
says to William Wisher goes, I'm

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going to make audiences cry for
a Terminator.

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He said that will prove what
Cinema can do.

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I think the subject series
that's what prove what James

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Cameron can do, and, of course,
right, he does make us cry for a

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Terminator.
Yeah.

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The most absurd concept possible
by the end, it's like Old

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Yeller.
We're just sweeping.

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Yeah, you know, for the end of a
Terminator.

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So emotion is the the kind of
the driving force of Cameron's

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films, and even Beyond the the
emotion of, like, Nostalgia.

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And that that love for Arnold.
You have in this film, I found

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T2 to be one of the funniest
action movies I've ever watched.

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Like, there's so many moments in
this film, where I was just

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roaring laughing and, you know,
it helps to watch it at your

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house.
You don't have to worry about

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laughing in a theater with other
people who are taking it really

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seriously.
But there's so many moments

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where Arnold reaches down and
picks up.

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Up like a one and a half year
old and just examined him the

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way of robot would.
As everybody else is just

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talking around and paying no
attention to him.

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I just thought there were so
many little moments like this

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where Cameron his comedy just
worked.

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Well, I think that's that's
Testament as well.

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And to segue back into the
performances here, you know,

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Arnold is the only other person
that we're going to talk about

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today that was in the first film
and his growth as an actor

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throughout the Is to the point
where you get this film in 1991.

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Directors had figured out how to
leverage his charm and his

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comedic timing, which I don't
think people like John Milius

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even knew that he would have had
comedic timing and Arnold is a

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really, really skilled comedy
actor.

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By the time you get to T2 and
Cameron will leverage that even

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00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,100
further when he gets to True
Lies a few years after this and

449
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:14,200
you know, it again credits, a
camera and for utilizing it.

450
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,900
But I think the main thing that
I took away was I'm glad that

451
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:22,700
Cameron gave Arnold the space to
be Charming in this film.

452
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,000
And when he gives that little
grin towards the end of the

453
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,400
film, it's like, oh my gosh, I
just saw a Terminator smile and

454
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,100
I'm totally buying it at this
point.

455
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,100
And that is a huge Testament to
Arnold's performance.

456
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,000
He's playing a cyborg.
And yet, I think he hits all the

457
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Beats.
He supposed to hit pretty much

458
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,400
flawlessly.
Absolutely great.

459
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,100
I think it's his best
performance time and I see that

460
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:49,000
it's real subtlety in it.
And again, such a kind of nutty

461
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,600
thing to say, is How about a guy
playing a Terminator?

462
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,500
How can we be subtle?
But obviously the idea with this

463
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:59,700
kind of new version of the T800,
the Arnie model of of Terminator

464
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,900
is that he's learning and he's
learning from the boy.

465
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,000
So it's got a trajectory in
which he sort of picks up.

466
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,500
He becomes more human as the
film goes on because he's

467
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,400
learning what it is to be human.
So it's a great Arc that the

468
00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:18,500
film gives him plus, it's still
channels.

469
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,100
What we know of Original
Terminator that body language

470
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:25,400
the can in dominant ability, the
going, the path of least

471
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,600
resistance stuff, which is very
funny and very skillfully raise.

472
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,600
I mean the opening sequence
alone of terminated to when it

473
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,100
goes into the biker bar and
there's a kind of classic bar

474
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:40,300
fight but it's just hilarious
and it's signals very quickly to

475
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,400
the audience that you're going
to be allowed to laugh.

476
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,100
At this film, is gonna be a lot
of serious stuff is gonna be a

477
00:26:46,108 --> 00:26:50,200
lot of action, a lot of fear in
the film, but, There's going to

478
00:26:50,208 --> 00:26:53,600
be comedy, Cameron's were with
his opening sequence which are

479
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,200
nice or beat up lower, Hells
Angels and drives away on the

480
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,700
Harley.
At the end just goes, yeah, he's

481
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,200
just a great sort of sigh of
relief almost as you see it and

482
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,200
go.
Okay, we're within now.

483
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,500
Also like when you talk about
him filming it in a sense from

484
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:13,500
the Viewpoint of the audience,
the idea of mr.

485
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:20,400
Universe just walking around
Buck Naked, it's just Purely

486
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,000
funny like there's no way around
that.

487
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,700
It just it just hits all the
right notes and it's little

488
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,100
things like that where you're
just like yeah.

489
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,600
There's certain things he
repeated from the first film.

490
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
They arrived naked at it.
It's just funny.

491
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,700
And it shouldn't because it's,
you know, it's an action horror

492
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,900
film.
But man, this movie made me

493
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,500
laugh.
Well, and to go back to

494
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,300
something that you in was
saying, I think part of the

495
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:48,200
reason the Comedy Works so well
is it's the construction of the

496
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,500
story and it is the Of the T1000
played by Robert Patrick and how

497
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,000
the, you know, the kind of
central conflict between the two

498
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,600
of them is that there is an
upgraded model now and that

499
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,600
provides so much kind of comic
tension and a great comic setup

500
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800
and you see it played out in so
many different places across

501
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,500
film.
But even though the Terminator,

502
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,800
you know, Arnold Terminator is
practically invincible and

503
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,800
Incredibly intelligent and
certainly much smarter than any

504
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,700
human.
It's played kind of as a buffoon

505
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,900
in a lot of ways, he's clumsy,
he's very robotic and his

506
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,000
movement.
He doesn't understand the queues

507
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,800
of humor or emotion and so you
get to kind of play up those

508
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,300
Iron Giant type, you know,
tropes about him, you know, and

509
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,700
I mean I was even thinking just
a moment ago about the Buzz

510
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,200
Lightyear and Woody element in
Toy Story.

511
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,400
There's a new upgraded model
that Andy wants to play with now

512
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,300
and so because the audience has
that incredibly terrifying, new

513
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,700
figure to look at And another
obstacle that Sarah and John

514
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:55,800
Connor have to overcome.
You can then look back on the

515
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,200
the Arnold Schwarzenegger
Terminator and and play up the

516
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000
humor in that situation.
I think it's really brilliant

517
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,400
that by introducing that
upgraded model you immediately

518
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,900
introduced a great source of
humor into the film and it was

519
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:11,700
something that I think was
really desperately needed

520
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,200
because the first film is so
serious throughout that having

521
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,300
those like pressure release
valves throughout the movie as

522
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:23,000
the engine builds, Cameron
executes them flawlessly.

523
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,300
Yeah it's yeah.
They're a very sort of Concepts

524
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:33,000
that Cameron worked through in
the intervening years and he

525
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,100
always thought well you've got
to go better with the sequel,

526
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,000
you know, it's called T2, she
always had a to Terminator idea.

527
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,100
One concept was to Arnie's a
good army and a bad Arnie but he

528
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,400
does thought how am I going to
tell them apart?

529
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,500
And you know one's going to have
to be damaged very early so you

530
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:53,900
know it's that Terminator and it
just got too complicated and he

531
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,900
said That down that well, how do
I turn on will shortz?

532
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:58,800
Tanker into an underdog and
that.

533
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Yeah, he's the Terminator as you
saying is virtually unbreakable

534
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:08,100
but the concept of the liquid
metal man and this kind of

535
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,800
infiltration unit but also
there's the idea of him playing

536
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,200
a cop as well.
Embodying kind of authority

537
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,000
whereas on he's a Hells Angel
definite leather, jackets and to

538
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,900
your Authority.
This is lovely kind of sort of

539
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,800
comparisons.
The film sets up and you say,

540
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Terminator, the original
Terminator wasn't polio comedy.

541
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,000
I would kind of say it was a,
quite a bit of black comedy in

542
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,500
its own way.
And that's down to

543
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,300
Schwarzenegger.
Yeah, he's funny in the first

544
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:40,400
film and he's funny in this
film.

545
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,400
This kind of self-mockery going
on, that's very appealing, as

546
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,300
you're saying the charm of it
works really well.

547
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,500
Well let's go ahead and talk
about the other two main

548
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,700
performers in the film.
And I think I want to start with

549
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,100
Robert Patrick because we've
already been talking.

550
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000
About him playing the T1000.
And again, I think that the

551
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,300
performance matches really well
with what's on the page.

552
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,600
But I also think that this is a
credit to Cameron when you

553
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,100
introduce a character like this,
that there is so much, ah, and

554
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:12,400
so much, I don't know.
Inquisitiveness on, on the part

555
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800
of the audience, you want to
learn more about this thing

556
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,300
because it is so wholly.
New the technology to represent,

557
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:22,200
it was entirely new, but also it
makes so much sense from a

558
00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:26,200
narrative standpoint that Okay,
if the machines are losing the

559
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
war, and the original line of
Terminators are not working

560
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,000
because they're too obvious.
What's the next step?

561
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,700
Well, we're going to make
something that can morph into

562
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:37,700
anything else, where subtlety is
the name of the game and Cameron

563
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,500
really wanted to have somebody
represented physically that

564
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,900
looked different from Arnold
Schwarzenegger whereas Arnold

565
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,400
walks into a room and everyone
knows I cannot defeat that man

566
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,800
and hand-to-hand combat.
You know, Robert Patrick walks

567
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,600
in a room and he is certainly
more agile.

568
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,300
He's a lot thinner.
He's a You know, just a Slimmer

569
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,100
build, but also making him a
police officer like you said, he

570
00:31:59,108 --> 00:32:02,900
and so that he can infiltrate
those spaces, not simply through

571
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,800
brute strength, but through
disguise and camouflage.

572
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,900
I think it's a really great
narrative.

573
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:11,500
Touch, I also was just
fascinated with like the culture

574
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:16,200
of the 80s and 90s that a police
officer could just drive up to

575
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,800
a, you know, secure tech company
company facility.

576
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:21,800
And they're just like, oh, it's
a police officer.

577
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,400
What is the just let em in?
He's gray.

578
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,700
And yeah, one of the great
things about rubber Patrick's

579
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,100
performance and it was vital is
used for talking about that.

580
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:38,200
They gave the the T1000, the
villain a personality, a

581
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,000
character and Not only was it
about being a policeman, he has

582
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,100
that wonderful quality that was
kind of there with Arnold

583
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:48,400
Schwarzenegger in the first film
or being.

584
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,700
Just slightly irritated when
things go wrong.

585
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,500
That you know the Cameron allows
The machines have a kind of

586
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,300
flicker of annoyance.
Yeah.

587
00:32:57,300 --> 00:33:00,700
When his plans keep kind of
unraveling, you know, he's kind

588
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,100
of attempts to kill.
This boy, is kind of a

589
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:05,900
fantastic, kind of in-joke.
I think just about the kind of

590
00:33:05,908 --> 00:33:09,100
the idea of while they are
machines.

591
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:12,200
The audience is always going to
project sort of Humanity on

592
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400
them.
And they kind of project it

593
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,200
back.
We kind of see ourselves in the

594
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,700
Terminators a little bit, think,
absolutely.

595
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,100
Brad, what's your take on Robert
Patrick?

596
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:28,000
I think he's incredible.
I think the way he runs is

597
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,400
perfect like he has such like I
think own, I mentioned him

598
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,300
already, but I think only Tom
Cruise might have better running

599
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,400
form in film history than
Robert.

600
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,100
Patrick has here, like speaking
as somebody who ran track for 10

601
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:47,000
years and continues to run like
there's right ways to run and

602
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
there's wrong ways to run if you
want to do it fast.

603
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,900
You know if that's your goal and
Robert Patrick Nails it and he

604
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,800
put so much time and effort into
this role that he trained to the

605
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,100
point where he could Sprint flat
out without breathing heavily

606
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,400
and that like I will tell you
that is a lot of work to get to

607
00:34:07,408 --> 00:34:10,900
that point and you know he's
chasing Edward Furlong on the

608
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:15,199
dirt bike and I'm like 90% sure
that he could have caught up

609
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,699
with that dirt bike at any
point.

610
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:22,600
He wanted to All right, let's
talk about Edward Furlong

611
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,400
because this is a performance
that has been really interesting

612
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,300
to watch reactions to over the
last 30 years.

613
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,600
It was initially initially kind
of praised and then almost

614
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,800
immediately pay.
And again, and I feel like our

615
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:39,400
societal impulse towards
criticizing children.

616
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,000
Has swung back in the other
direction now.

617
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,400
And so, people have re-evaluated
this performance.

618
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,500
I actually think it's a really
great performance, and I think

619
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,699
that if there's anything to
criticize, its, you know, it's

620
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,100
some of Cameron's dialogue
writing which is a recurring

621
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:53,800
theme.
We've talked about with Cameron

622
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,300
but especially for someone who
was essentially a non

623
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:01,100
professional actor prior to this
film, I think Furlong does a

624
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:05,100
really, really great job and
when it most matters at the end

625
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:08,700
of the film he brings the goods
in those emotional final moments

626
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:12,200
with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And so you know can you forgive

627
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,800
subpar line reading here and
there?

628
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Absolutely I think the kids
really really good.

629
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,000
He is and he's crucial as well.
I mean, Cameron says cities that

630
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,500
have all the special effects,
all the kind of revolution in

631
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,200
CGI, all the armies and and
Linda Hamilton's will mean

632
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,800
nothing if we don't get John
Connor right, you know, he's

633
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,900
been essentially is the
protagonist of the film.

634
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,100
The boy, says, a lot of weight
on his shoulders.

635
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,300
And I think Cameron light the
rawness he was found at Boys and

636
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,800
Girls Club in Pasadena had never
acted.

637
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
He had a kind of troubled,
family background.

638
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,800
What kind of a Ko's of John
Connor in him and yeah, he was

639
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,700
yeah, he needed molding
definitely and if you look at

640
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:58,300
the performance, some of it can
be a little silly, the goofy or

641
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,700
elements don't maybe play as
well, but I think the emotion

642
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,200
does and the Charisma does.
Yeah.

643
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:09,800
He's a spark Edward Furlong in
the film and you know, off

644
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,900
screen and on the chemistry was
shorts, Maga is great.

645
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,100
I think shorts - really took him
under his wing in the production

646
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,800
camera was off doing all the Big
staff and the stunts and the

647
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400
facts on those things.
A lot of the work I think in

648
00:36:22,408 --> 00:36:25,300
terms of furlongs performance
actually came through

649
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,800
Schwarzenegger and hymns are
guiding him through the film.

650
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,800
And yeah, maybe you can argue,
there are sort of Greater child

651
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,200
performances and maybe could
have been better performances,

652
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,800
but it gets me when I watched
the film and it doesn't pull me

653
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
out of it.
And yeah, he got to give credit

654
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,700
to that.
I think he gives a great job.

655
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:50,400
I was actually very proud of
Wife, we were watching this and

656
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,100
my wife famous for not knowing
actors or actresses.

657
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:58,800
Names was like, oh, you know,
who the the kid reminds me of.

658
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,800
I was like, who's that honey?
And she goes Haley, Joel Osment

659
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,700
in Secondhand Lions and I was
like, hey, you just remembered

660
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:10,500
his name so Props for that but
be why, she's like I don't know,

661
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:16,400
they both just have that like
preteen squeaky sincerity that

662
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,800
just really fits for the Movies
that they're in and I was like

663
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,200
babe that is that's a good film
analysis there.

664
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,600
I was gonna say I think the the
connecting thread is the

665
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,800
changing voice.
Peter, Brady syndrome easily

666
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,900
yeah.
All right guys, I think we're in

667
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,200
a good spot here on the
performances.

668
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,700
Let's go ahead and take a break.
Let's drink some whiskey, and

669
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:40,600
then we'll come back and talk
about all the rest of this.

670
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,500
Because, I mean, I want to talk
about the CGI.

671
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:45,900
I want to talk about the
gigantic explosions of this.

672
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Explosive James Cameron film, Go
a little bit deeper on the

673
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,900
themes but Brad, let's try this
Knob Creek.

674
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:53,700
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

675
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,600
Some whiskey Nation.
Do you ever think about Awards,

676
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,200
of course, you do you drink
whiskey and watch movies.

677
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,900
Which means that, you know, that
nothing is validated until a

678
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,600
group of random people say, hey,
we love what you're doing.

679
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:09,200
The awesome thing about doc
Swensons, whiskey is that it

680
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,900
isn't just some group of schlubs
that are given them Awards.

681
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:15,100
They have been winning attention
from some of the most important

682
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,900
whiskey experts that you can
imagine.

683
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,900
They've been voted best best
distillery in Washington state

684
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,800
by the New York International
Spirits competition.

685
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,800
They've been voted the best
Independent bottler by the Ascot

686
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,700
Awards, as well as the best
finished bourbon from the Ascot

687
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:32,500
awards for their La.
Mente exploratory Cask their

688
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,300
exploratory Cask series is where
they release some of the most

689
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,600
fascinating and adventurous
experiments.

690
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,400
If you're ever checking out,
docks line up and see a white

691
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,100
label is a really good chance
that that's the only time you'll

692
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,100
see that bottles.
Make sure you snatch it up.

693
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,100
Doc Simmons has been offering
just but now Nominal finished

694
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,100
and Blended whiskies for quite
some time.

695
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:56,100
Now you can find them online at
docks whisky.com, that's doccs

696
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:03,900
whisky.com.
Alright.

697
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,400
Today we are checking out Knob
Creek Brad this is the first

698
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,800
time that we've ever reviewed
just the regular old Knob Creek

699
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,900
on our podcast.
We've tried I believe a single

700
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,100
barrel Knob Creek way back in
season one or two that we got

701
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:22,000
down at our friends Justin's
house of bourbon in Lexington

702
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,400
Kentucky.
So we've tried a barrel proof

703
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,800
version of this but we've never
just tried you know the standard

704
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Knob Creek before.
Can't believe we made it this

705
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,700
long.
Yeah, I'm really excited to get

706
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:36,500
into it today.
I I'm honestly trying to

707
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,500
remember any thoughts.
I had on that original version.

708
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,900
We tried and I for the life of
me man, I can't think of what I

709
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,400
thought about it.
Well, we'll get into this one

710
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,300
pretty quickly here, but just
for some background Knob Creek

711
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:53,100
as part of what Jim Beam calls
their small batch collection,

712
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,000
which is comprised of Knob Creek
basil, Hayden's Booker's and

713
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Hers, Bourbons.
So there's one it kind of every

714
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600
proof point.
If you like a low proof whiskey

715
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,700
then basil, Hayden's is the way
to go.

716
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,600
This is the next one up at 100
Proof.

717
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:13,300
Then you've got Baker's at 107
and Booker's is always bottled

718
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:16,800
at Cask strength Brad.
I think this means that the only

719
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,800
one of the four that we have not
tried is Baker's.

720
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000
So we gotta get on that.
Now, we got to complete the set

721
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,100
here.
I have had Baker's before and

722
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:28,200
can confirm good whiskey
whiskey.

723
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,200
Yes.
Like I said, this is bottled at

724
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,300
100 proof, it carries a
nine-year age statement meeting.

725
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,000
It's been in the barrel for nine
years for a while there.

726
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Jim Beam was releasing this
without an age statement.

727
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Which just means they were
probably blending it with some

728
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,000
younger whiskey.
But now it carries that

729
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,700
nine-year age statement, which
means the youngest whiskey in

730
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,600
this bottle is at least nine
years of age.

731
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:54,700
It's 77 percent corn, 13% rye
and 10% malted barley in the

732
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,500
mash bill.
So this not a for grain recipe

733
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:59,000
and Brad at, you know, not to
spoil.

734
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,300
Anything here.
I've been sippin on it already

735
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,700
and I can tell that this
definitely has some rye in it.

736
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:05,500
This thing packs a little bit of
a punch for me.

737
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600
Yeah it definitely gets a little
bit spicy throughout.

738
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:12,900
Yeah.
I think we should just get into

739
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:14,800
it Bob because I have thoughts I
do too.

740
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,300
And we're joined again here by
Ian Nathan.

741
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,700
It's pretty rare that our guest
for the day, actually sits down

742
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:24,400
and drinks the whiskey with us,
but and you were if I may say

743
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,100
so, yes, pretty, pretty, eager
to join and we are happy to have

744
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,500
you along on the journey.
Me here?

745
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,900
Yeah, I am a mo Whiskey.
Drinking, I do.

746
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,800
Enjoy a nice bourbon as well.
So when you suggested, I not

747
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,700
only would I talk about movies
that I'd also drink whiskey.

748
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,300
Well, that persuaded me sir.
I'm very interesting to bring a

749
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,000
bring a high level of discussion
to the nature of whiskey as

750
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,600
well.
Absolutely, good thing.

751
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,800
All right guys let's Dive Right
In.

752
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,100
So our first category that we
score our Whiskey's on is the

753
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,500
nose.
So when you take, you know, a

754
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:59,600
little sniff of this on the
Roma.

755
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:01,600
What do you pick up here?
Brad.

756
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,500
I don't think that this one is
super complex for me.

757
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,800
Like the first thing I got, you
know, aside from the ethanol

758
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,200
because it's 100 proof is.
This smelled a lot like

759
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Coca-Cola to me.
It had those kind of like almost

760
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,700
artificial caramely notes to it
and a little bit of that, the

761
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,700
coke bubbles the effervescence.
So I got Coca-Cola, I got

762
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:25,400
caramel the Rye was a lot more
prominent on this than I would

763
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,100
have been led to believe.
So they definitely had a us

764
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,200
about it.
That I really like, I think it's

765
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,700
pretty inviting even though it's
not the most complex whiskey

766
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,500
we've ever nosed.
I think I would give it about a

767
00:42:37,508 --> 00:42:41,200
seven and a half on the nose.
Yeah, I'm actually in the exact

768
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,400
same places as you with a
seven-and-a-half.

769
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,800
Bob for me, I got some softer
notes.

770
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,800
I had some honey on the front
end, a little bit of vanilla,

771
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,600
there was some, some floral
aspects to this.

772
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,800
It had a lightness to it, but I
will say, there is a, there's a

773
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,100
decent amount of grainy.
As well at that came across.

774
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,300
When you were talking about Cola
for me it was more of just like

775
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,100
a corn syrup and almost a raw
corn.

776
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,700
Feel honestly a pretty Pleasant
nose over.

777
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,900
Also yeah seven half for me D
and where are you feeling with

778
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,000
the nose here?
Yeah I kind of liken car a

779
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
little bit.
I thought you know caramel

780
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,100
toffee very much a kind of like
look Christmassy kind of flavor.

781
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:29,100
Now you mentioned Coca-Cola, I
do get that as well but also So

782
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,000
you mentioned the kind of the
the kind of floral element to it

783
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:37,200
very much getting that the kind
of the sort of highlights that

784
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,800
come off it, it's very pleasant
to smell quite traditional.

785
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,800
I suppose with those kind of
caramelly Honey notes, I would

786
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,200
go seven and a half.
Yeah, I've always been curious,

787
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,600
you know, from from someone in
the UK, your perspective of

788
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,300
American whiskey.
I have a feeling, I mean, if I

789
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,700
was one of you, I would probably
think about, you know, the

790
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,500
palate of a bourbon is very much
in line with just American

791
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,500
palates in general, because it's
so much sweeter than you

792
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,000
normally get with a scotch or an
Irish whiskey.

793
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,800
Do you find it?
Like hard to adjust expectations

794
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,000
when you're going between, you
know, a scotch or an Irish

795
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,700
whiskey and bourbon.
I don't want to difficult.

796
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:25,400
I do understand the differences
having drunken far more of the,

797
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,900
the the kind of traditional
Irish and Scottish Whiskey's

798
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,900
sometimes find when I have a
bourbon.

799
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,400
The immediate reaction is it's
very sweet.

800
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,200
Uh-huh.
And yeah you Jack Daniels, you

801
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,700
zzt obvious one.
You suddenly think whoa.

802
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,000
Is that?
That's a bit too.

803
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Nice.
You know it goes down too easily

804
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,900
which is a danger yum with this
one.

805
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,800
As I said I had a few sips.
There's this nice as you

806
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,500
mentioned spicy early on,
there's some nice sort of yeah

807
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,500
so I kind of bitterness to it.
That is quite a pleasant because

808
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,600
it sort of works against the
sweetness but generally speaking

809
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,100
a I'm kind of ready for a
bourbon when I have it.

810
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,800
I do know.
It's going to be a little bit

811
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,800
more on the sweeter side.
Yeah, I think that's a great

812
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,900
segue into our tasting category
here.

813
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,500
Brad.
I actually thought that this was

814
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:16,000
surprisingly soft on the palate
compared to the nose.

815
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,300
I just, I really expected almost
like a, you know, a cake icing

816
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,000
type of flavor on this, because
it really felt like it was going

817
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,700
to have a lot of brown sugar or
Maple flavors to it.

818
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,200
It was less sweet than I
anticipated to Ians Point

819
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,900
really, really okey.
I think the nine years in the

820
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:35,500
barrel definitely present
themselves here and it didn't

821
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:40,200
quite go bitter.
But certainly not sweet.

822
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,000
I do appreciate it, felt very
oily in my mouth.

823
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,500
It definitely coded my palate.
Well, I didn't find it to be

824
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:49,300
especially harsh alcohol-wise
even at 100 proof.

825
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,900
I liked this but it definitely
was a step down from the nose

826
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,600
for me.
So I think I'll give it a 7 out

827
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,000
of 10.
Yeah, I am right there with you

828
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,500
man.
For me, it continued to be corn

829
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,200
heavy.
Some of those floral notes came

830
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,400
through but the oakiness a
little bit of a clove spice came

831
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,200
into it.
It was good but a step down from

832
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,100
the nose.
So I'll give it a six and a half

833
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:16,500
there.
Yeah.

834
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,800
I say, I very much like the, the
kind of did the kind of duality

835
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,100
of it.
They kind of this Suite in the

836
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,300
front of the tongue and a
pepperiness, the back of the

837
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,300
tongue.
So I've got with the seven.

838
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,300
All right.
And that takes us to finish.

839
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:31,100
Now, this is where we kind of
consider what flavors.

840
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,700
What Sensations are left behind
on the palate after you swallow

841
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,400
for me Brad.
This was all Oak.

842
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,800
I mean it really turned super
Oak heavy on the end for me and

843
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,200
there's really not much else
there.

844
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,300
I wasn't left with any lingering
sweetness there.

845
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,400
Wasn't any even for me like any
corn left on this again.

846
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,000
Not bitter.
And I guess there's a probably a

847
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,800
touch of some brown sugar or
something, but yeah, I'm a

848
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,100
little bit.
To because the nose was really

849
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,100
inviting.
And I feel like each successive

850
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,100
step of the tasting is just a
slight step down for me.

851
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,100
I'm going to give it a 7 but I
would say that this is merely

852
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,400
good.
Not great.

853
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,800
Yeah.
I man, I really want to enjoy

854
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,500
this whiskey.
Bob, I feel like there's

855
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,900
something going on here, but the
Finish was really where I

856
00:47:18,908 --> 00:47:22,700
struggled with this.
It just kind of dissipated into

857
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,000
nothingness.
For me, I didn't feel like there

858
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,700
was enough flavor.
Waiver on the back end of this

859
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,900
experience to give it a high
score, it wasn't bad.

860
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,700
You know.
It was Okie that I continued to

861
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:37,600
see that corn coming through.
There was some caramel notes but

862
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,400
overall it didn't last long
enough for have enough

863
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,100
complexity for me to truly enjoy
it.

864
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,600
It's okay on the finish.
I give it a six out of ten.

865
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,900
The often tastes to me is
similar to what you said.

866
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:52,300
It's where the weakest element.
I'm left.

867
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:56,200
Mainly with the, the kind of the
darker notes this stronger sort

868
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:02,000
of Peppery spicy notes the the
kind of nice caramel flavor has

869
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,300
gone very quickly.
It's not the most Pleasant

870
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,700
aftertaste of of a bourbon I've
ever had.

871
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,900
It's sort of a bit of a little
bit of an up and down.

872
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,100
It starts nicely and then
disappears too quickly I think

873
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,700
is a flavor.
So a little bit disappointing.

874
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:20,800
In terms of the the pecan of the
after effects, I hanging around

875
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,200
quality so I'd give it a five
and a half Anytime that I'm

876
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,200
asked to score something out, I
feel like my years and years of

877
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,800
reading, Roger, Ebert film
reviews and his four-star scale

878
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,400
has really just made made that
the Baseline for everything for

879
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,000
me.
And when I think about the

880
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,300
balance of this whiskey, so
considering the tasting

881
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:44,400
experience overall was anything
standing out in a you know an

882
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,200
insanely positive or an insanely
negative way or was it fairly

883
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,800
consistent.
I feel like this is a three-star

884
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,600
movie version of The Whisky She
like it's good.

885
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,000
I'm glad that I had it.
I enjoyed it but nothing really

886
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,500
stood out to me and so on the
balance I don't think I'm going

887
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,400
to like ding it there Brad, but
I think I will just give it a

888
00:49:04,408 --> 00:49:08,400
seven point five out of ten.
Now I'll give it a 6 out of 10.

889
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,600
Oh okay yeah it was decently
balanced but there wasn't any

890
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:19,700
one area that stood out and it
got consistently worse as I went

891
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,900
along.
So for me the balance was a

892
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,200
little bit of a Go.
It's interesting.

893
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,700
You talk about the star rating.
We start, when I worked on

894
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:29,900
Empire Magazine's, we have five
star rating.

895
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:34,100
They seem to be as far as the
film PR's, were concerned, a

896
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,200
huge Gulf between three and
four.

897
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,700
I was the biggest Gap.
They wanted four and three

898
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:41,800
somehow was never good enough.
And it is.

899
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,700
This is, this is a three star 3
star Bourbon and to my mind.

900
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:47,300
That's good.
Yeah, that's, that's a

901
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:49,500
high-quality.
It's a decent movie as a

902
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:52,700
mid-range, John Hughes movie,
you can watch, Anna Christmas

903
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:58,600
afternoon, And enjoy its nickel
back of kind of Bourbons, but

904
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,200
not quite up there with a Planes
Trains and Automobiles, but ha,

905
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,500
ha ha.
All right, Brad, I'm turning it

906
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:09,700
over to you, our resident knower
of prices for our last category

907
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,800
here which we call Value.
So we usually base this off of

908
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,900
how much it sells for in our
home state of Ohio, prices vary

909
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,700
throughout the United States and
we will also get to how much it

910
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:23,300
cost for even in the UK in just
a moment.

911
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:27,000
But At how much is this, in
Ohio, in the wonderful state of

912
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,900
Ohio?
This will set you back, $40,

913
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,500
okay in the UK without taxes
included, this is selling 436

914
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,600
pounds so roughly equivalent,
you know?

915
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,400
Yeah, Brad I think this is a
little too expensive.

916
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,700
Yes.
Used to be priced at 35.

917
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,100
It seems like they've raised the
price a little bit at 35.

918
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,700
I was going to give it a 7 out
of 10 at 40.

919
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,200
I think I'm just going to to
give it like a five and a half

920
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,900
out of ten.
There's a lot better whiskey.

921
00:50:56,900 --> 00:51:01,700
You can give for $40 in this.
Yeah, I actually think that this

922
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:07,300
is a pretty rough price point.
Honestly, $35 is decent.

923
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,800
But even there, I don't think I
would give it a very high score.

924
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,600
I think that this is like a
twenty seven dollar whiskey.

925
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:18,700
That's your, they're asking you
to spend 40 bucks on, huh?

926
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,200
I'm gonna give it a three and a
half out of jail.

927
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,900
My gosh.
Okay, yeah, we were Watching

928
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:28,200
like basil, Hayden's levels of
poor value here, Brad.

929
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,700
It seems like this might be like
a recurring theme for Jim Beam.

930
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,000
I was about to say that who
makes Basil?

931
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,500
Hey, there you go.
All right, Ian, what do you

932
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,100
think?
Well study, six pounds sound

933
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:42,600
sounds expensive to me for what
it is and some very decent

934
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,100
scotches and some varieties and
Irish Whiskey's around for about

935
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:49,300
25 that I would prefer to drink
than this.

936
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,400
It tastes they're overpriced.
It feels over price for the

937
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,300
Tastes.
So I'm going to give it 5 out of

938
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,900
10 in terms of value for money.
All right.

939
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,900
Gentlemen, that is bringing my
final score on this out to a

940
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:06,400
34.5 out of 50.
Brad in, what are you coming out

941
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,900
to?
I am at a twenty nine point five

942
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:11,200
out of 50.
Okay.

943
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,300
You're asking me to do the math,
but I start 7, huh?

944
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,600
I'm roughly the same as Brad, I
reckon with.

945
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,700
Okay?
Yeah, I think so.

946
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:26,100
That's a pretty Brad and me out
to a score of 64 out of 100 or

947
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:30,200
just a 32 out of 50.
Now, normally 35 out of 50 is

948
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,100
about our Baseline where we
start recommending that you at

949
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:35,200
least try the whiskey.
So we're a little bit below

950
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,400
that.
Brad.

951
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,000
I don't think this is a bad
whiskey and it was, it was

952
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,000
pretty Central to my early
whisky Journey because it was

953
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000
readily available.
It was 100 proof, and I thought

954
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,600
it was pretty darn good.
I don't know if we've just had

955
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,800
so many Whiskey's.
Now that I've tried a lot better

956
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,600
ones or if the quality of this
has Creased, but I can't say

957
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,900
that.
I really recommend it even as

958
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:01,500
like a starter whiskey.
Yeah, I think that there's

959
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:07,300
enough other options around the
30 dollar range that in my

960
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,800
opinion are just better
Whiskey's that.

961
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,200
If I'm if I'm recommending you
start in the world of bourbon

962
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,600
specifically then I yeah I'm not
going to recommend this and what

963
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,400
do you think?
Would you recommend trying at

964
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:25,200
the bar or buying a bottle?
Or neither II can't imagine

965
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,300
buying a bottle.
You know.

966
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,900
He's very kindly sent me a
buckle.

967
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:30,800
So I'll get through it.
Don't worry about that.

968
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:33,000
In terms of.
Yeah.

969
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,700
Would I choose it not
necessarily there are better.

970
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:37,600
Options is Brad.
Say I think for the money and

971
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,900
for cheaper, it doesn't persuade
me that bourbon would be the

972
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,800
drink of choice.
It doesn't move me from whiskey

973
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,500
to Bourbon.
It keeps me on the whiskey side,

974
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:51,300
so, you know, maybe it doesn't
doesn't quite do the trick.

975
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:56,100
Well, I guess the, the only
question left to ask is, is this

976
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,700
whiskey?
Sufficiently high octane enough

977
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:01,700
to match up with our film for
today?

978
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,200
I don't think this whiskey can
kick enough ass to keep keep up

979
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,900
with C2.
All right.

980
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:11,500
Well guys, the whiskey might
have been a bit of a letdown but

981
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,200
this movie certainly isn't.
So what do you say?

982
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,300
We get back into discussing
Terminator 2.

983
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:17,500
Let's get to it.
Let's do it.

984
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:26,000
All right, everybody.
That was Knob Creek bourbon

985
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,400
whiskey.
That were a little bit split on

986
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,400
but overall, it's a good show.
Yeah, I mean, you know, it used

987
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,100
to be better at $35.
Yes, the price hike is really,

988
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:37,700
really kind of pissing me off
Brad.

989
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:42,100
Yeah, it makes it difficult to
recommend, but you know what's

990
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:46,400
very easy to recommend Bob, is
it Terminator 2 Judgment Day?

991
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,400
It's Canada's favorite segments
to fax in a falsehood Uh-oh, two

992
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,700
facts and a falsehood at which I
am performing quite poorly this

993
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:57,100
season.
Yeah, I've been, I've been

994
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,000
ringing your bell.
I think I had your number last

995
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,200
season, man.
That was I went on like an 11

996
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,400
game winning streak.
Yeah, I spent some time in the

997
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,700
offseason, retooling, my roster,
you know, getting bitten things,

998
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:13,200
ready?
And I am Moneyball analytics.

999
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,600
Yes, analytics.
All right.

1000
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,200
So for those who are
uninitiated, You facts in a

1001
00:55:20,207 --> 00:55:23,700
falsehood is where Brad presents
three items to me about the

1002
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:26,600
behind the scenes, making of
This film, all of them are

1003
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,600
presented as fact.
Only one of which we think is a

1004
00:55:30,607 --> 00:55:34,600
complete fabrication and I have
to suss out, which one is the

1005
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,300
falsehood?
I'm not doing well, I'm, I think

1006
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,700
a game or two under 500 still,
and we are about to wrap up the

1007
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:43,100
season, so I got to get a couple
here.

1008
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,200
Brad before you start.
I have to make a proposition to

1009
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,400
you.
Last time we had a guest on the

1010
00:55:48,408 --> 00:55:52,100
show, you told me that I was
allowed to enlist the guess the

1011
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:56,300
past to help with this but I'm
trying to remember what your

1012
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,300
bargain was that.
Here's here's the deal.

1013
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:01,800
Bob okay, let's hear it.
If you answer without Ian's help

1014
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,100
you get two wins.
If you answer and if you lose,

1015
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:10,500
you just get one loss.
And if you answer with Ian's

1016
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,400
help you get one win.
If you're correct.

1017
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,800
But two losses, if you guys are
wrong because there's two of

1018
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,900
you, ooh, the pressure is on.
I was gonna say, if Ian gets

1019
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,900
this wrong.
I feel like I should just incur

1020
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,800
nine losses.
The man.

1021
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,800
I mean, you know, and I don't
mean to put your shirt on.

1022
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,700
You wrote the, you wrote the
book, man?

1023
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,500
Come on.
All right, Brad, I'll take you

1024
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,600
up on that.
Let's let's hear your two facts

1025
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,600
in a falsehood.
All right?

1026
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,400
EFax number one, for the Los
Angeles.

1027
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,200
River sequence Arnold was in
quite a bit of pain because he

1028
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,800
could not wear a glove while
cocking the gun.

1029
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:50,400
So his fingers and his We get
ripped up in the the mechanism.

1030
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,200
However, he also would sometimes
hit, Edward Furlong in the back

1031
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,600
of the head with the gun, almost
knocking him out at one point,

1032
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:02,300
okay?
Fact, number two, fax number to

1033
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,400
Edward.
Furlong.

1034
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,700
And Dan, Cooksey, who played his
young friend Tim?

1035
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:10,700
They were actually good friends
in real life.

1036
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:14,000
Having grown up going to school
together in Southern California.

1037
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:17,400
Hmm.
Okay, fax number three, Edward

1038
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,000
Furlong and Arnold
Schwarzenegger got along

1039
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,000
famously.
Well, the young actor had grown

1040
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,200
up without a father figure and
Linda Hamilton joked from time

1041
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,700
to time that there were some
really excruciating moments

1042
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:32,600
where she would listen to
Arnold.

1043
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,200
Give Furlong advice about women.
And she stated that they did so

1044
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,900
well together because they were
quote emotionally the same age

1045
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:46,800
and One thing that I've really
loved about researching some of

1046
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,600
the making of This film is how
opinionated Linda, Hamilton, is

1047
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,200
often offset.
It's been really refreshing to

1048
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,000
see how brutally honest.
Some of these quotes are one, I

1049
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,200
think Brad is true, or at least
components of it are.

1050
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,800
True.
I feel like, I remember hearing

1051
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,400
about the getting the head
bumped by a gun.

1052
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Number two is interesting
because I was hoping that we'd

1053
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
bring up the character of Tim at
some point.

1054
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,300
This Derp.
I don't think was in all of the

1055
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:19,800
movies that I think he was in.
But there is just this like the

1056
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,000
floodgates opened in the late
80s and early 90s for like

1057
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,100
red-headed best friend kids.
Hmm.

1058
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,400
I thought this was the kid from
big for a minute.

1059
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,700
I don't think it is Brad.
Yeah, you can.

1060
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:34,000
He kind of reminds me of the
catcher from The Sandlot little

1061
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,500
bit.
Not so, not so freckled, but

1062
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:36,400
yeah.
Yeah.

1063
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,800
And so he has a face that I feel
like I've seen him in 50 movies,

1064
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,600
but I have no idea if they knew
each other beforehand before I

1065
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,400
make, My selection Ian, do you
know the falsehood just from

1066
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,000
hearing this through, think I
do, but they've been very well

1067
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,500
phrase by Brad to put a bit of
ambiguity.

1068
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,900
And I like you, I think the
first one is true because

1069
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:04,900
they're he burnt his fingers on
the gun and it was difficult to

1070
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,300
read that whole kind of spinning
reel.

1071
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:09,000
I think was very difficult.
So I think that is true.

1072
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,600
And so I, so I suspect one of
the other Is false.

1073
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,600
All right, I'm gonna go ahead
and just bring in on board here.

1074
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:21,200
I feel very good about knowing
the number one was a truth, so

1075
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,900
in which one is your suspected
falsehood?

1076
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,100
Right.
I think the middle one is false

1077
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,700
because Linda Hamilton that such
a classic Linda Hamilton quote.

1078
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,700
I know that the chemistry was
great and I was a lot of jokes

1079
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,400
between Furlong and
Schwarzenegger and that's

1080
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,500
classic shorts - talk to him
about women.

1081
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:43,700
So I would say that the Rings
true to me the third one about

1082
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,100
Linda Hamilton your way she
talks, and her attitude.

1083
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:50,900
They Rings true about the kind
of dies to inset and wonder

1084
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:53,800
whether the two actors.
The two young actors, probably

1085
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,800
weren't friends because I
imagine that the, the other kid

1086
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,900
probably was up for the part and
just didn't get it.

1087
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:03,000
So they brought him in play them
mate because he was ready to

1088
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,300
head to my feeling is the
middle.

1089
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,800
One is untrue.
I like it.

1090
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,600
I think I was leaning towards
number two as well.

1091
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,200
I would be really fascinated to
hear if they were actually sworn

1092
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,000
enemies instead of best friends.
All right.

1093
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,500
Brad we're going to lock in
number two, as the falsehood.

1094
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:24,100
Bob, you are 100%, correct.
That is all it takes is me

1095
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,800
getting perhaps the world's
leading expert on James Cameron,

1096
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,400
that's to get a victory at this
game.

1097
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,500
Than I I tried to go pretty
vague and and off this you know

1098
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:36,200
the sidelines stay away from
James Cameron himself a little

1099
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,300
bit but he and you did it man.
That was their wealth price that

1100
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,800
I wasn't 100%.
I was like, hold on.

1101
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,000
Maybe it's the way you're saying
it.

1102
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,800
That's the thing.
I've learned the falsehood just

1103
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,100
has to sound like it could be
true and it throws Bob into

1104
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:55,900
conniptions about where it might
ask where the truth actually

1105
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,000
lies.
All right, let's get back into

1106
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,400
talking about this movie Brad.
I'm once again this is your

1107
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,000
first time seeing it so I want
you to kind of direct our

1108
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,800
conversation on the back half
here.

1109
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:09,600
What haven't we talked about yet
that you really want to make

1110
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,900
sure we touch on.
I think two things I think that

1111
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:17,600
I want to talk About the theory
we touched on it, very briefly,

1112
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,100
but it feels like he kind of
starts and ends the movie with

1113
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:26,900
these fiery pictures of the
death of childhood.

1114
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Hmm.
Like for me it was incredibly

1115
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,500
impactful the way he filmed a
children's playground wreathed

1116
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:36,000
in Flames.
Hmm.

1117
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,900
So I think that's a really
fascinating bit of subject,

1118
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:41,800
matter more along, the Thematic,
lines of what Cameron's trying

1119
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,800
to do here, but I think the
other Thing we have to talk

1120
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,900
about is the idea of a machine
made out of liquid metal is

1121
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:54,600
terrifying and I don't know if
there's many things more

1122
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,600
horrifying than it that have
ever been created.

1123
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,500
I mean, you look at the
character of agent Smith, you

1124
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:03,200
know, or the agents in general
in the Matrix movies and you're

1125
01:02:03,207 --> 01:02:08,300
like oh yeah that's completely a
logical conclusion of of the

1126
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:11,600
T1000 like oh yeah that would be
the upgraded version of the

1127
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,600
T1000 so like It's a hugely
influential idea that the CGI

1128
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,800
here is just incredible for its
time, especially for sure.

1129
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,800
Yeah, let's talk a little bit
about your first thing though,

1130
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,300
but I really love that as a
thematic element here.

1131
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:29,000
The death of childhood, you
know, Cameron is kind of

1132
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,200
consumed with apocalyptic
imagery in The Terminator films,

1133
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,100
even the the Genesis of the
Terminator idea.

1134
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:39,700
Very famously came to Cameron
when he was really ill while

1135
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:41,600
over in Italy filming his first
film.

1136
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,500
And he had this fever dream of a
metal skeleton emerging from

1137
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:51,500
fire, terrified him so much that
he went and wrote The Terminator

1138
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:54,900
out of it.
And I really do think Brad that,

1139
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,500
that imagery is so key to
understanding so much about this

1140
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:02,200
movie and not just the death of
childhood, but the way that in

1141
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,200
particular, John Connors
childhood has been stolen from

1142
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,600
him by the, you know, the
looming Specter of what's going

1143
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,200
to happen.
And also by the fact that, you

1144
01:03:11,207 --> 01:03:13,400
know, he did, he's never had a
father figure in his life that

1145
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,800
his Is now in an asylum.
It's really, really great

1146
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,300
metaphorical imagery and we'll
get into this in a little bit,

1147
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:26,100
but I think sometimes Cameron
the writer doesn't trust Cameron

1148
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,000
the like the visual filmmaker
enough and he's doing so much

1149
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,800
visually that clearly
communicates his points.

1150
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,700
And I think that that opening
credit sequence and that, you

1151
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:38,400
know, the few times, they return
to that.

1152
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:41,400
It gets the point across better
than his dialogue does.

1153
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,400
Yeah, I mean, I was going to
say, I think that At that

1154
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,100
furlongs delivery a lot of the
lines about his mom, especially

1155
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,100
at the start of the film, I
think are really incredible.

1156
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,800
I think that the way he sets up
Danny Cooke, see our

1157
01:03:56,900 --> 01:04:01,500
aforementioned Tim, I think the
way that he sets him up by being

1158
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:04,500
like, yeah, my mom taught me how
to steal this money and his

1159
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:05,900
friends, like, oh, that's pretty
dope.

1160
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:07,500
And he goes.
No, she sucks.

1161
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:12,100
Like and later in the movie, he
talks to Arnold about it.

1162
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:14,900
I think.
And he says Like, I used to

1163
01:04:14,908 --> 01:04:18,600
think that, this is how all kids
grew up, and then I realized my

1164
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,200
mom was insane.
And now I'm starting to think

1165
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,000
that she's not so crazy after
all.

1166
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,800
Like, the, the way Cameron
writes, those things in, it

1167
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,900
gives you an idea of the the
depths of Sarah Connor as a

1168
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:35,300
character and the struggle that
she has the nightmares that she

1169
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:38,800
has about a motherhood that she
has missed out on.

1170
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,500
I just think he does a really
great job of weaving that

1171
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:44,900
throughout the entire film.
Umm, well in terms of the

1172
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:47,800
thematics here, right?
Like this is probably I would

1173
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,100
argue the most Spielberg Ian of
Cameron's movies that we've

1174
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,800
watched.
Like it goes so deep into the

1175
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:58,600
Dynamics of a broken family and
childhoods that are affected by

1176
01:04:58,700 --> 01:05:01,400
Broken families.
But Brad, you're absolutely

1177
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,400
right.
And Cameron wants to make the

1178
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,800
theme of this movie in so many
ways that it is a metaphor for

1179
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,000
the way that you grow up into
understanding your own parents,

1180
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,600
I think.
And like you just traced it with

1181
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,000
that line of dialogue that you
grow up as a child thinking of

1182
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,700
this time everybody lives and my
parents are flawless people.

1183
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:24,400
And I take everything they say
at face value.

1184
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:27,600
You go through that, phase, that
rebellious adolescent phase,

1185
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,600
where you think, your parents
are insane and everything they

1186
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,600
say is wrong.
And then, you come out the other

1187
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,300
side and you get a much more
nuanced portrait of who your

1188
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:37,600
parents are.
And the fact that they are not

1189
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:40,600
perfect people, they're flawed
individuals, but maybe they're

1190
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,400
not as crazy as you thought they
were, and I just love that.

1191
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:49,300
He constructs this huge,
apocalyptic Fable around, such a

1192
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,400
small, little emotional
narrative.

1193
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:56,600
Yeah, it's really nice.
I mean, you're saying it's a

1194
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:00,900
Well, Cameron does he does the
huge, the apocalyptic but ties

1195
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:05,900
it into intimate ideas, so we
only ever see the the idea of

1196
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:10,700
the Judgment Day through Sarah
Connors vision of a playground

1197
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:13,300
for going up and conflagration
and credible.

1198
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,500
Nuclear explosion sequence and
is right there.

1199
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:21,200
Across Cameron's films is idea
that Adulthood is not to be

1200
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,600
trusted adult, who's got it
wrong?

1201
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,500
Adulthood is created Skynet.
A adulthood is these

1202
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:32,600
Weyland-Yutani in Aliens.
When we come to Newton aliens,

1203
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,100
you know, she knows if she was
always told there were no

1204
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:38,700
monsters, but that's not true.
She knows she's been lied to and

1205
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:40,700
had intercepted survive on her
own.

1206
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:44,400
Edward furlongs characters had
kind of to survive on his own to

1207
01:06:44,408 --> 01:06:49,900
get a Zone Street smarts.
So this is idea that Adulthood

1208
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,400
is not not to be trusted, it's
sort of there in the Avatar

1209
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,100
film.
Certainly the sequel as well.

1210
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:58,500
That you what's going on above
them and it's that kind of

1211
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:03,500
marriage of the big stuff.
The apocalyptic stuff with these

1212
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,300
kind of metaphors for ruin
childhoods.

1213
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:09,300
For lost worlds of Innocence
Lost.

1214
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,000
Innocence is almost one of the
abiding themes in Cameron's

1215
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,400
work.
Sarah Connor loses her innocence

1216
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,100
in the Terminator.
There's no Innocents virtually

1217
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:20,500
in aliens or in a sense.
The the It's like children going

1218
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:22,100
in and they lose their
innocence.

1219
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,800
So it's really think what you're
saying about imagery of

1220
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,900
childhood and imagery of their
childhood ruined.

1221
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,100
And yeah, it is a great subject
of Cameron's films.

1222
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,300
Often is the nuclear family.
In every sense, it's a nuclear

1223
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:41,400
family of the unit and he
Applause the unit and wants to

1224
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,800
rebuild the unit.
But at the same time, it's a

1225
01:07:43,808 --> 01:07:47,200
nuclear family because they're
going to go up in Flames, unless

1226
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,100
something is done about it.
Yeah.

1227
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,600
Yeah, I think another
interesting analogy to aliens

1228
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,400
that I hadn't really thought
about before was how Paul Reiser

1229
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,400
in Aliens represents kind of
what you said of adulthood ruins

1230
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,300
everything and, you know, their
greed and their desire for

1231
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,600
power.
I think it's interesting that he

1232
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:12,100
once again, subverts that Trope
that, you know, he established

1233
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:15,100
in Aliens, not necessarily in
Terminator, but with the

1234
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:19,100
character of Miles Dyson, played
by Joe Morton like you.

1235
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:22,399
Somebody who yes he is.
Searching after power.

1236
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,200
He is curious, he is innovative
all these things and yet when

1237
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,500
faced with the destruction of
mankind, he changes his tune and

1238
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,399
and he, you know, becomes a
heroic figure in the end.

1239
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,899
And so I think, even that is an
interesting example of how

1240
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:42,600
Cameron continues to subvert,
these ideas and T2 that he has

1241
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,700
set up in multiples of his
previous movies.

1242
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:49,100
Yeah, everything's inversion in
t to it.

1243
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,100
It's invertible but she always
other films.

1244
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:55,200
It kind of stands alone in some
ways within the Cameron Cannon.

1245
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,200
But of course there's the kind
of the the one of the major

1246
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,399
themes certainly in Terminator 2
and across his work is the

1247
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:07,300
classic 50s theme of scientific
who buries technology out of

1248
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:12,200
control due to Mankind's can
avarice and greed and ambition

1249
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,500
and that's it within itself.
You know, the great irony of

1250
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:19,600
camera, the most Innovative
filmmaker there's ever been Dean

1251
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,399
always makes films about, you
know, the wrongs of technology.

1252
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,100
And what I can a devastating
power.

1253
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:29,899
It can braise avatars all about
the Primitive being praised, and

1254
01:09:29,899 --> 01:09:33,399
the technological, being the
enemy and to some extent, that's

1255
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,800
true of terminated to
technology.

1256
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:40,300
You know, is a devastating force
that the metal man from the

1257
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:42,500
future of the nuclear
apocalypse.

1258
01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:47,399
That's coming, you know, Niles
Dyson, learns the error of his

1259
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:50,300
ways but you know, it's Eddie
that far along.

1260
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:52,899
It's already kind of heading
towards whether the film is

1261
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:56,000
going science, is not to be
trusted.

1262
01:09:56,700 --> 01:10:00,300
I want to talk a little bit
before we get into Cameron's

1263
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:03,900
technological achievements here
or I, guess I should just like

1264
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:06,200
technical achievements here
because there's there's so much

1265
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,800
practical effects going on as
well.

1266
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,300
I want to talk about my big
gripe with Cameron and it's been

1267
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,700
my big gripe with Cameron
throughout the four weeks that

1268
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:15,600
we've talked about this.
And it's the major gripe that

1269
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,000
everyone has with them.
And it's Cameron is a dialogue

1270
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,800
writer. and Bradley there's been
a few filmmakers on the show

1271
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,500
over the years that I've said
this about and it's that Cameron

1272
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:31,900
the writer and specifically, the
dialogue writer often seems at

1273
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:36,600
odds with Cameron, the visual
filmmaker and it seems sometimes

1274
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:43,600
like for as clear and concisely
as he can frame something

1275
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,100
visually and get his point
across and as much as he

1276
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,800
understands the audience's
expectations and what they need

1277
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,100
in that moment, it just seems
like he wants to add a couple

1278
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:57,600
lines of VoiceOver or dialogue
to really drive that point home

1279
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:01,300
when it's not necessary.
And I think the biggest the most

1280
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:05,200
egregious one for me in this
film is the very final line of

1281
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,900
the film where Sarah Connor is
narrating over the The images of

1282
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:11,300
them driving down the highway
and she's basically saying,

1283
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:15,000
like, well, I wonder if Humanity
can learn our lesson this time.

1284
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,600
It's like, yeah, we got that
Linda Hamilton, you don't need

1285
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,700
to move, you didn't need to make
that statement, especially

1286
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:24,700
because there are so many great
little moments earlier in the

1287
01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:27,900
film.
Like, with Arnold when he is

1288
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,500
having that conversation with
Edward Furlong as they're

1289
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,400
watching.
Children play again and Edward

1290
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,800
Furlong asks him, hey we're not
going to make it.

1291
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,900
Are we like humans we're not
going to we're not going.

1292
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,100
Get an Arnold says, it's in your
nature to destroy yourselves and

1293
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:44,700
that's all he has to say and
even throughout the film, and

1294
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:47,100
after they've finally
accomplished what they need to

1295
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:51,200
accomplish there is still that
lingering question of is it in

1296
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,000
our nature to destroy ourselves
and if this you know this metal

1297
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,600
robot essentially can learn to
make a sacrifice and display.

1298
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,700
What Humanity can truly be for
us?

1299
01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:04,600
Will we allow ourselves to take
that lesson?

1300
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:07,900
And it's all right there and I
don't feel like he needs to A

1301
01:12:07,907 --> 01:12:11,800
spoon feeding us that exact
line, 10 seconds later to end

1302
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,200
the film.
Maybe it's just me, but I think

1303
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,700
if there is one overarching flaw
with the film, it's that

1304
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:19,800
Cameron.
The writer sometimes doesn't

1305
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,700
trust either the audience or
himself as a visual filmmaker

1306
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:26,000
and feels like he needs to go
one step further.

1307
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:30,600
I'm going to let Ian answer that
question before I give my very

1308
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,600
deep thoughts on this.
I think you're, I think you're

1309
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,300
right in some respects.
He's often criticized for corny

1310
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,900
nature of his dialogue.
The old business, he's not a

1311
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:46,500
subtle Storyteller, shall we?
Say I can cause you're a very

1312
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,900
subtle imagist, and I think he
became very subtle with how he

1313
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:52,600
puts things together.
But in terms of his

1314
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,800
storytelling, I think they are
fairy tales.

1315
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:56,500
And often fairy tales are told
in her.

1316
01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:01,500
Right blunt way an obvious way.
I mean, what you can't deny is,

1317
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:06,300
how popular is, so clearly he
does, communicate to large

1318
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,800
audiences.
And, and I think his films are

1319
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:15,400
very kind of ripe, in terms of
sort of the kind of characters

1320
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,000
and the emotions that are
portrayed.

1321
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,900
We don't have to go looking for
how people feel in these films.

1322
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,500
We get it.
We're told it.

1323
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:27,800
Yeah, it comes.
And goes, I think some of his

1324
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,300
dialogue can be great.
I go back to aliens and I think

1325
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:34,000
some of the, the dialogue is
really memorable and it works in

1326
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,600
the context of the film.
I think often what how Cameron

1327
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:43,000
functions is a director, is that
the tempo of the film's is so

1328
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,100
strong and momentum and the
tension that in some ways the

1329
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:49,300
dialogue is going to compete
against that.

1330
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,800
So it has to be very broad just
to sort of be heard amidst, the

1331
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,900
kind of chaos and that can
sometimes Lead them down a path

1332
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:01,800
of being a bit too blunt.
Yeah, I really take your point,

1333
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,700
I think.
Yeah, he sometimes, his, he

1334
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:07,900
doesn't learn the error of his
ways, but then he'll go.

1335
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:10,700
Why do I need to?
Because it has these films are

1336
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:15,300
communicating very quickly and
clearly it's a, it's a balancing

1337
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:17,200
act.
I think I didn't see it.

1338
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,800
What do you guys think about the
voiceover in this?

1339
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,300
Like, that's a pretty big
departure from the first film

1340
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:25,400
and to have her, not just
narrate the opening of this

1341
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,000
film.
But you know, there's three Four

1342
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,600
times throughout the movie,
where she's narrating, do you

1343
01:14:29,608 --> 01:14:32,500
guys feel like that worked here?
I, you know, obviously the final

1344
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:35,800
line wasn't a big hit for Bob
but that overall.

1345
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:38,100
What effects do you think that
had on the film?

1346
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:41,300
I think it was a there was a
sort of functional element to it

1347
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:43,700
in that.
He also Cameron also have to

1348
01:14:43,708 --> 01:14:46,600
cater for the fact that not
everybody will have seen the

1349
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,000
Terminator because the
Terminator is, as you said, was

1350
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,900
a horror movie, it's a slasher
movie, it was an adult movie,

1351
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:55,000
and this obviously was a
broad-based blockbuster, they

1352
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,100
want you to get kids in So they
have to communicate a lot of

1353
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,900
information ahead of time so
there's a real functional

1354
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:03,500
element.
Also the ending is interesting

1355
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:06,200
because Cameron has shot that
different ending its on this

1356
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:09,100
special edition.
I think where we see the world,

1357
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:11,200
tied it up and the old Sarah
Connor, looking at the

1358
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,700
playground at the very last
minute.

1359
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,500
I mean, literally the 11th Hour
of post-production that he had a

1360
01:15:17,508 --> 01:15:20,800
huge argument with coral, Co the
production company, who wanted

1361
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,500
the more ambiguous ending and he
lost that argument and they put

1362
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:28,700
the the road end NG in so
opportunity for sequels, were

1363
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:30,900
still in there.
So I think there's a little bit

1364
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:34,500
of sort of putting something
into kind of fix the ending very

1365
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:38,200
quickly that may have made the
final speeches a little bit

1366
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,200
obvious.
Yeah it's a good point I think

1367
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,400
you know if you want to assume
that Cameron did this

1368
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,800
intentionally and I'm sure he
did but there is a voiceover at

1369
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,700
the end of the first film.
It's Sarah narrating and her

1370
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:52,900
sort of tape that she's
recording to John.

1371
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:54,800
Who is still?
She's pregnant at the time.

1372
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:55,800
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's true.

1373
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,600
I forgot about that.
And I think it's interesting

1374
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,800
that he does carry that over
into this film and you're right,

1375
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,100
and I think it's probably more
functional than anything else.

1376
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:05,700
But it's really interesting that
in this film, she's not talking

1377
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:07,800
to John, she's talking to
humanity.

1378
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:11,100
Like she, you know, she Is
portrayed as the mother of John

1379
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:13,200
in the first film in a lot of
ways she's being portrayed as

1380
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,000
the mother of humanity or, you
know, Humanity's hope in the

1381
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,600
second film.
And so, her comments are much

1382
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,800
more Broad and they're directed
toward the human race in

1383
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,400
general.
I really like that Cameron did

1384
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:30,000
kind of expand on that idea and
who she's communicating to I

1385
01:16:30,008 --> 01:16:32,900
think once again like you know I
could take her leave some of

1386
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:37,200
what she says, I love the scene
where Arnold and Edward Furlong

1387
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,200
or bonding at that sort of like,
you know, Underground

1388
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,700
militaristic site and then she
goes, you know, I never realized

1389
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:46,300
it until right now but we make a
pretty good family and I'm like,

1390
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:47,800
okay, Cameron.
Come on dude.

1391
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:52,100
Like we get it, go ahead.
Yeah.

1392
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:54,900
I was just going to say if you
wanted to be like super

1393
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:57,300
technical about it Bob, which I
know you appreciate.

1394
01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:02,700
Oh yeah, I'll go do the, the
voiceover in the first film.

1395
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:07,500
Was a dietetic voiceover,
whereas in the second film lose

1396
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:11,100
non-diet.
So true The definitely a very

1397
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:16,600
different, different take well.
So I bring up the whole idea of

1398
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:22,000
my main drawback on Cameron
because now I want to move into

1399
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:27,200
Cameron's, I mean like lasting
shining Legacy, which is him as

1400
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,400
brilliant, technical filmmaker,
and Brad honestly, I don't know

1401
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:34,100
if we've looked at a filmmaker
this season, who is as good on a

1402
01:17:34,108 --> 01:17:37,800
technical level, except maybe
Spielberg, that guy's a genius

1403
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,800
at where to place the camera and
how to move the Camera and

1404
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,700
Cameron directs his action
scenes.

1405
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:45,800
I think I said earlier the word
that I liked to use was concise.

1406
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,000
We've said direct as well as
really like No-Frills about it.

1407
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,800
It's not super convoluted.
You get a good sense of the

1408
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,300
geography, but he just seems to
have really good coverage, you

1409
01:17:56,308 --> 01:17:58,200
know?
I think about the scene where

1410
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:01,400
cyberdyne blows up and the way
that they're filming it from

1411
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,400
helicopters over there, filming
it from on the ground.

1412
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,700
He knows, hey, I've got one shot
to blow up a building.

1413
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:09,500
I need to get good coverage and
he doesn't really good job.

1414
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,400
That kind of stuff.
This, you know, this movie is

1415
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:17,300
known for introducing elements
of CGI that just really didn't

1416
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,900
exist before.
He had toyed around with this,

1417
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:23,600
and kind of used his prior film,
The Abyss, as proof of concept

1418
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:26,200
for what he could do with the
T1000.

1419
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,700
But I think Brad like with
Jurassic Park this movie shine

1420
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:36,500
so much because it uses the CGI
sparingly and it does it you

1421
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:39,300
know in 1991 it did it because
of budgetary constraints and

1422
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:42,600
just The fact that they couldn't
really turn this out at the rate

1423
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,400
that they could today, but it
also meant that Cameron had to

1424
01:18:46,407 --> 01:18:50,500
go back to his roots and
complement the use of the CGI

1425
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:53,500
with these outstanding practical
effects.

1426
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,100
I think I read today that
Cameron estimated that only

1427
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:59,100
forty two shots in the movie
used CGI.

1428
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,500
Whereas today, I mean that would
be, they would be, you know, two

1429
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,400
thousand or more in this film.
Everything would have been CGI,

1430
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,400
but there is such a like, I
don't know.

1431
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,100
There's a tangible.
Of nature to so much of this

1432
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:15,200
film.
And I love that the constraints

1433
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,300
of the technology meant that it
was used better and that

1434
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:22,200
everything supported it so that
you really did have those wow

1435
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,100
moments.
Yeah, it's been fascinating for

1436
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:27,500
me.
I've been getting into anime a

1437
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:31,200
little bit more recently with a
good friend of mine and we've

1438
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,100
been watching this show called
Attack on Titan and something.

1439
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,300
He's pointed out to me.
Is that within the world of

1440
01:19:36,308 --> 01:19:40,400
anime, it's obviously mostly
hand-drawn, but they do, Use CGI

1441
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,400
from time to time because it's
just so much cheaper than hand

1442
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,500
drawing every single scene.
And the thing that he has

1443
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:51,100
pointed out to me that has like
completely changed the way I

1444
01:19:51,108 --> 01:19:57,400
look at CGI is that it's just
too smooth that that when you

1445
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:02,400
use CGI for everything for for
the city around you, for all the

1446
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:08,400
background cared for all the
stuff, it's the human soul can

1447
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:14,300
just tell That it's too smooth.
It's too perfect, it's not

1448
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:16,700
broken up enough.
And I honestly makes me think

1449
01:20:16,700 --> 01:20:19,000
about the Matrix when they, you
know, they talk about the first

1450
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,200
version of Matrix was too
perfect and humans couldn't

1451
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,700
handle it.
They needed a little bit of

1452
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:27,100
imperfection and I think that's
kind of how I feel about my

1453
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:32,100
movies.
Like, I need the raw feel of

1454
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:35,900
actual helicopters being flown
through the sky of buildings

1455
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:39,500
actually exploding.
It just comes across so much.

1456
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,700
Better.
And when you use CGI as you

1457
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:45,500
said, sparingly I think you get
masterpieces like this.

1458
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:48,100
Alright, so sorry.
Yeah.

1459
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:51,600
The direction needs to test
himself, you know, one of the

1460
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,400
artboard downsize, however you
want to, you know, maintain it

1461
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,300
it about.
The Avatar films is essentially

1462
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,500
cameras, got free rein to take
as much time as you want to

1463
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:05,300
spend as much money, as you want
to push computer technology to

1464
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:08,500
fulfill everything he could
possibly want from them and what

1465
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,300
is not happening, is he Been
tested against the world.

1466
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:13,800
So how do I put this stunt
together on a freeway?

1467
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,800
How do I mount this Chase?
Because there are limitations

1468
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,100
called gravity and physics that
I'm going to be up against.

1469
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:23,600
I can do nothing and I adore
that cuz I think it brings the

1470
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,900
best out of camera.
And as you saying, there's a

1471
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:30,200
tangibility to those things and
they're included in the way the

1472
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,400
T1000 is depicted, as you say,
there is a limit to the amount

1473
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,800
of CGI shots they could do
mostly because of processing

1474
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,600
power.
It took them The nine months of

1475
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,100
production to create the same
amount of the for the CGI in the

1476
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:45,700
film, as the whole of the rest
of the film.

1477
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:48,500
So it took that long to process
the shots.

1478
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,200
So Stan Winston had to step up
and do a lot of what we think of

1479
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,300
as CGI when we look at it.
But actually is practical

1480
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,300
effects.
You can impress or head

1481
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:02,000
exploding head of the T1000, the
kind of blooming roses of silver

1482
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,700
when he's shot with bullets.
That's all Stan.

1483
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:08,100
Winston and the genius is how
Cameron edits the CGI into the

1484
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:11,000
film.
And so these limitations, I

1485
01:22:11,008 --> 01:22:14,800
think bring the best out of
camera that he's at war with the

1486
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:19,100
world to create his film.
And I love, you know, this stunt

1487
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:23,500
work in 92, you know, they're
the kind of tow truck coming off

1488
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:28,000
the bridge into the storm drain
and the stress wave going back

1489
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,200
through it.
That's almost like a metaphor

1490
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,300
for the whole film.
It's like a stress wave through

1491
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:36,800
metal and the incredible highway
chase and which there is CGI

1492
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,300
elements.
But you know there's a guy Is

1493
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:42,700
this stunt helicopter pilot
flying a chopper underneath the

1494
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:45,000
bridge, which had never been
done.

1495
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,000
And they had to sort of, damp
down all the dust.

1496
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,100
And the, it was really risky
shot.

1497
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,100
Totally against Aviation rules.
And they should they flew a

1498
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,500
helicopter underneath the
bridge?

1499
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,400
And that's the James Cameron?
I love.

1500
01:22:57,100 --> 01:23:00,400
I think I was reading today
about one scene that I did not

1501
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,700
think was a stunt or that I
didn't think was done

1502
01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:06,600
practically and it is the scene
where, Jeanette Goldstein, who

1503
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,700
plays John?
Connor, stepmom.

1504
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:12,900
Has been taken over by the T1000
and, and kills his stepdad.

1505
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:16,300
And you see that her arm has
become a sword, and that it has

1506
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:18,700
gone straight through his mouth
and that it's impaling, him up

1507
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:22,700
against the Cabinetry, and all
of that was done practically.

1508
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:26,000
They had designed a prosthetic
for her to insert her arm into

1509
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,600
that Blended gradually down into
a sword.

1510
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,500
And the guy that played John
Connors, like foster, dad had

1511
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:36,400
done weeks and weeks of
sword-swallowing training so

1512
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,000
that they could literally stick
this thing into his mouth.

1513
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,200
I have a thing coming out the
back of his head that looked

1514
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:45,800
like he was impaled and it's
just incredible to think about

1515
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,900
the level of detail that went
into a shot like that but again,

1516
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:55,300
there's such a tangibility to it
that it doesn't feel like it's

1517
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:58,800
made in a computer and I think
that's you know Brad.

1518
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,900
I also just wanted to talk about
Jeanette Goldstein for a minute

1519
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,100
so that's why I brought that one
up.

1520
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:07,000
Yeah I was gonna say at what
point do you think the the sword

1521
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000
swallowing actor was training
for?

1522
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:13,300
RIT at, he just had the thought.
I am not getting paid enough for

1523
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:19,200
this Brad.
Did you recognized Ginette

1524
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,500
Goldstein from any of the other
Cameron films that we've done?

1525
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:25,700
I did not at all Cameron uses
her very well.

1526
01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:29,000
So, we saw her just a couple
weeks ago in Aliens as private

1527
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,700
Vasquez.
Oh, okay.

1528
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:34,000
Yeah, she was incredible as
Vasquez.

1529
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:39,800
She is also responsible for
continually just Chattering me

1530
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,300
emotionally in Titanic.
She is, she is the mother of the

1531
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:48,200
Irish twins that tucks, her kids
into bed as the ship is flooding

1532
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,500
and tells them the story about
the land of Tiernan, odd, or

1533
01:24:51,508 --> 01:24:53,400
whatever it is.
Yeah, Brad.

1534
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:57,100
I like I will never forgive that
woman for what she's done to me

1535
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,900
emotionally.
But but yeah, Cameron seems to

1536
01:24:59,907 --> 01:25:02,800
be returning to her pretty
continually in some of these

1537
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,800
films that we've watched.
So I wanted to give her a quick

1538
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,700
shout-out.
Yeah, add girl that was yeah,

1539
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:09,000
she really does an incredible
job.

1540
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:13,400
Job in this, I will say I love
the end.

1541
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,700
There's a lot of different
movies that kind of do this in

1542
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:20,800
different ways, but I love the
Freaky Friday acting challenge

1543
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:24,600
of like not only does Robert
Patrick have to learn how to

1544
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:29,100
play like a robot and Arnold but
also, you know, these other

1545
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:33,100
characters that they turn into
have to act out what it would be

1546
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:36,200
like to be a robot in addition
to their own role.

1547
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:39,000
And so I just I think that
that's really fun to think about

1548
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:42,800
Out from a active.
Technical acting standpoint of

1549
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,800
like this role doesn't just
include playing a stepmom.

1550
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,400
It's also plays a killer robot,
that's very true.

1551
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,700
All right, guys, we're winding
down here for the day before we

1552
01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:55,600
let you in.
Do a very important couple plugs

1553
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,000
here because I really want
everybody to buy this book.

1554
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,300
We're going to do our last
couple segments, the first of

1555
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:02,600
which we call.
Let's make it a double.

1556
01:26:02,700 --> 01:26:05,900
This is where we pair up our
movie of the day with another

1557
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:08,700
film to make our perfect double
feature.

1558
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,800
Brad since I am already rambling
on.

1559
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,000
I'm gonna go ahead and go first
Cameron mentioned, this film in

1560
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,800
one of the interviews that I
watched as background for this

1561
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,300
episode and he talked about the
Iron Giant and I love the Iron

1562
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,700
Giant.
And that's going to be my pick

1563
01:26:21,700 --> 01:26:23,900
for today.
And he said that, you know, his

1564
01:26:23,900 --> 01:26:28,200
goal was to make people weep at
the sight of a terminator and to

1565
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,500
weep tears of emotion and not,
you know, fear and I think

1566
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,800
that's exactly what you get in a
movie like The Iron Giant which

1567
01:26:34,900 --> 01:26:38,500
in a lot of ways, borrowed
heavily from T2, but the idea of

1568
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:44,200
Large lovable played kind of
buffoonish super intelligent.

1569
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,600
Robot that actually makes
self-sacrifice for the human

1570
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,500
race.
There's, you know, there's

1571
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:50,600
obviously a nuclear sub plot and
everything else there.

1572
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,100
So I think the Iron Giant lines
up pretty perfectly with

1573
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,700
Terminator 2.
That's my pick who won.

1574
01:26:57,700 --> 01:27:01,900
Yeah that is a good one.
Bob for me I think I'm going to

1575
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:07,800
make this a double with a Tom
Cruise, Steven Spielberg

1576
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,800
collaboration.
I think I'm going to pair this

1577
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,900
up with Minority Report.
Oh nice.

1578
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:14,300
I didn't know if you were gonna
go were the world's or Minority

1579
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:16,900
Report?
No, I think Minority Report

1580
01:27:16,900 --> 01:27:20,400
makes the most sense for me just
with the idea of Tom, you know,

1581
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,900
protecting this young girl and
trying to to seek out the truth

1582
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:27,800
and go on and, you know, an
action-adventure, I think that

1583
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,400
they would pair really well
together for a really

1584
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,900
entertaining night of sci-fi
action movies.

1585
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,200
You may have just set the record
for number of Tom Cruise

1586
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,900
references in one of our
episodes.

1587
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:43,000
It has nothing to do with ties
to do Tom Cruise, you're

1588
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,200
welcome, man.
Alrighty.

1589
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,800
And what do you think?
Okay, well my choice is Mad.

1590
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,100
Max Fury Road.
Oh, I love it.

1591
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,000
Okay, and it's gonna be a hell
of a night, which needs two

1592
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,100
films together.
One of the reasons is that both

1593
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:59,700
T 2 and Max Fury Road.
A kind of based on chain and

1594
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:02,800
there about the mythical figure
coming out of the desert helping

1595
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,100
to save the day, and then he's
appearing back into the desert,

1596
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:08,800
the boy leaps, and that's kind
of turn.

1597
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,500
Donated to your arrives and he
goes and then of course it's

1598
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:15,900
kind of Fury Road as well.
These Max comes at the

1599
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:18,500
beginning.
He has no background, he's

1600
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:20,700
dressed in leather.
It doesn't talk a lot.

1601
01:28:20,900 --> 01:28:24,100
You kind of helps to helps the
kind of furiosa, and then the

1602
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:26,300
future, and the rig, get there
and back again.

1603
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:30,400
And of course, there are two
films that are just wonders of

1604
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:35,200
physical stunts work and you
know, visceral filmmaking put

1605
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,400
together and they're both kind
of dystopian and you know,

1606
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,000
they're both.
Of great monuments to excitement

1607
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,600
on the cinema screen.
I love that.

1608
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:48,700
Honestly, you could pair Mad Max
Fury Road in even the most

1609
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:51,800
tenuous way with any movie that
we do and I'd be like, yeah, it

1610
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,900
totally works Brief Encounter.
I was just gonna say we did

1611
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:57,500
brief encounter a couple weeks
ago and I'm like, yeah, throw it

1612
01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:59,200
in there.
It's David lean ask.

1613
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,300
Sure that's deserts.
Involve.

1614
01:29:02,300 --> 01:29:02,900
Come on.
You know.

1615
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:08,700
All right guys, it is time for
us to score this.

1616
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,100
She and I'm sure this might be
antithetical to your entire

1617
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:16,500
Mission as a Cameron chronicler
but we give a movie a score out

1618
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:20,000
of 10 we can give half points.
No Quarter points Brad, what

1619
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,200
would you give Terminator 2 on a
scale of 1 to 10?

1620
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:28,000
Man?
I think that Cameron took

1621
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,500
everything he did in Terminator
which which I, you know, I gave

1622
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:34,200
it a 7 & a half.
I thought it was solid but not

1623
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:39,300
great and just improved on it.
Incredibly, I think, At the

1624
01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:45,300
acting is loads better in T2.
I think that the the the

1625
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:50,800
technical aspects of the film
have come along.

1626
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:56,400
So so far from 1984.
And, you know into 1991 that for

1627
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,200
me in 2022 watching this movie,
I did not have a single moment

1628
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,700
of this film where I was like,
oh that hasn't aged well, you

1629
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:08,200
know, and so I man, this is
truly one of the greatest action

1630
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:09,500
movies of all.
Time.

1631
01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:16,200
I think I will give it a nine
and a half Bob, I'm with you 9.5

1632
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,800
and I don't even know if my
gripes with the few moments of

1633
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,400
VoiceOver and dialogue or enough
to lower it, a full Half Point

1634
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:27,000
from a 10, I think.
Honestly the thing that's

1635
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,400
keeping me from giving it a 10
is that I also gave aliens of

1636
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:35,500
9.5 and I cannot definitively
say if this or aliens is the

1637
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:39,700
better film and this out of
fairness to alien I'm going to

1638
01:30:39,708 --> 01:30:41,500
give this one a nine point five
as well.

1639
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,300
Wow, this is tough.
This is tough.

1640
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:47,800
I might go eight and a half.
I agree with you guys in so

1641
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,400
much.
I think aliens is probably the

1642
01:30:50,407 --> 01:30:54,400
better movie is the one I can.
I return to more and the range

1643
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,100
of characters and the emotional
journey of aliens is incredible

1644
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:01,000
and Aliens already already
existed and in terminate already

1645
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,400
existed.
So in some senses Terminator

1646
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,100
didn't have to set up a world.
Only had to capitalize on one.

1647
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:09,500
Sure, but I'm nitpicking because
it's a Attic movie.

1648
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:14,900
And it's a fantastic sort of
emblem of what can be done with

1649
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:19,500
the sequel of how you don't just
repeat it, you can invert it and

1650
01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:22,900
play with it and a tyranny.
But still had all the Thrills

1651
01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:25,400
that were there to begin with
and that's Cameron's.

1652
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,900
Great talent is to understand
that.

1653
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:31,300
So, just fantastic.
I give it eight and a half but,

1654
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,500
you know, probably, you know,
there's a nine and a half inside

1655
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:37,300
my soul as well.
All right.

1656
01:31:37,300 --> 01:31:41,000
Well, there you have it 9.
Half from Brad, and from myself

1657
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:47,000
in Nathan, has given an 8.5 out
of 10 in also has written the

1658
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,600
book on James Cameron, quite
literally.

1659
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,300
We've alluded to it a couple
times now.

1660
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:53,100
But Ian tell us a little bit
more about the book itself and

1661
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:55,600
where we can find it.
Yeah it's called James Cameron a

1662
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:00,500
retrospective it tells the story
of his journey through films

1663
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,600
from his childhood in Canada
right through his days at Roger

1664
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,200
Corman which was very Hands-On
filmmaking.

1665
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:11,900
Which is still carrying on right
through to Avatar the way of

1666
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:16,400
water and, you know, as I
alluded to earlier on, every

1667
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,900
film cameras made has been an
epic in in in terms of its

1668
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:23,500
production.
But battle and astonishing kind

1669
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:26,700
of story of, of willpower.
I mean the, the story of the

1670
01:32:26,700 --> 01:32:30,100
Abyss alone, you know, could
fill a book, The Abyss is just

1671
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:33,400
an incredible kind of
filmmaking, struggle and happen.

1672
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:38,100
So it's just a remarkable tale
and it was thrilled to write and

1673
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,200
thrilled to through.
On that journey through his

1674
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,200
films.
Obviously, I timed it to tie in

1675
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,000
with the Avatar Sequel and your
Publishers, do like a hook for

1676
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,600
their books, but just been a
great thing to write and I hope

1677
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,900
people read it.
They get some of what we've been

1678
01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:59,500
talking about, you know, on this
podcast, you know, the kind of

1679
01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:04,300
passion the Thematic work, the
emotional work and his gifts as

1680
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:06,800
a Storyteller.
I think that's the subtext of

1681
01:33:06,808 --> 01:33:10,500
what I've done is just retrace.
Say that he is one of our great

1682
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:13,200
storytellers because his films
are so compelling.

1683
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,500
It's available from all book,
shops, online, and offline.

1684
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:23,700
And, you know, if you want to
know about the guy and departing

1685
01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:27,200
is what he does, and what he
achieves, then then it's a great

1686
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,600
read these books that even makes
are just incredible.

1687
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,300
I mean we did the West Anderson
miniseries earlier in the

1688
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:36,700
season.
I rely too heavily on that Wes

1689
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:38,600
Anderson book.
And what I love about them is

1690
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,500
that they Are presented so
beautifully as well.

1691
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,200
It's, I mean, it's a coffee
table book in the way that it

1692
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:47,900
looks, but is just so full of
valuable insights, and just rich

1693
01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:52,200
rich quotes and I cannot speak
highly enough of these books.

1694
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,300
That Ian is producing.
Yeah, I was going to say I just

1695
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:59,200
got the Criterion Collection
version of Grand Budapest.

1696
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,500
And like the the look and feel
of the Criterion Collection

1697
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:08,500
version of that film feels
similar to the the presentation.

1698
01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:11,900
Of your book on Wes Anderson.
So, like I yeah, whoever you've

1699
01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:15,900
got working for you doing doing.
Your design is spot-on.

1700
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,200
I will let them know.
I went with them a lot.

1701
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,000
So yeah.
Let them know that you

1702
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,700
appreciate it.
All right.

1703
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:24,800
Before we let you go in, I'm
going to put you on the spot one

1704
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,900
more time.
There's also been another major

1705
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:29,200
announcement from your end of
the woods in the last few weeks.

1706
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,600
And that is some updates on a
film that you were working on.

1707
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:34,800
Oh yeah.
Can you tell us a little bit

1708
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,500
about that?
Yeah I'm making a documentary

1709
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:40,000
about something very close.
We'll be talking to you this

1710
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,800
evening, and that's aliens.
And in fact, one of the reasons

1711
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,300
I didn't pick aliens as our
conversation point was that I'm

1712
01:34:46,300 --> 01:34:48,600
kind of heavily involved with
elsewhere and it wants to talk

1713
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:52,000
about something else.
It was kind of an opportunity

1714
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,900
that came up through the books
and it's a company that's does

1715
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,200
sort of crowd Source
documentaries.

1716
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:04,400
So you know, fans invest and we
get a budget and we go away and

1717
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,200
make these documentaries.
They've made a terrific series

1718
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:08,700
of documents called In Search Of
Darkness.

1719
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:13,100
Suddenly you seen them draal
about 80s and 90s horror, and we

1720
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:15,600
wanted to do one specifically
about a film.

1721
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:21,000
That has really passionate fan
base, really devoted, fanbase

1722
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:25,600
and Aliens just you know, fitted
the bill, the fan base is

1723
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,900
astonishing and a very devoted
to it.

1724
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,700
And I'm going on a journey
interviewing cast and crew,

1725
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:35,900
interviewing fans, interviewing
scientists and Military

1726
01:35:35,900 --> 01:35:39,900
historians and critics to try
and Stand not how the film was

1727
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:43,300
made, but why people love it so
much little bit?

1728
01:35:43,300 --> 01:35:45,900
Like, what we've been talking
about this evening, in a way to

1729
01:35:45,907 --> 01:35:49,300
try and get to the kind of the
kernel of what it is about these

1730
01:35:49,300 --> 01:35:53,200
films that work so well and
we've only just begun I have

1731
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,400
I've spoken to the net Goldstein
who was just fabulous to say she

1732
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,900
was really great and memories
were great and so I'm really

1733
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:03,300
enjoying it.
It's a tall order, it's a

1734
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:06,600
challenge because aliens is
beloved.

1735
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,400
Sure.
And a lot of people know a lot

1736
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,200
about It.
So I've got to sort of a long

1737
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,600
way to go, but it's a great
experience.

1738
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:14,700
That's incredible.
All right, well, this has been

1739
01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:17,000
Ian, Nathan.
I'm going to be utilizing your

1740
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,300
work again, in our next
miniseries because as this is

1741
01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:23,300
the last James Cameron film for
the season, we are pivoting to

1742
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:27,000
the Coen Brothers.
It was hard for us to narrow

1743
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,200
down to just a three-week
miniseries.

1744
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,200
And so, we're going to focus on
comedies of the Coen Brothers.

1745
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,800
I think most of them could be
considered comedies, but we're

1746
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,500
going with more of the broad
comedies.

1747
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:39,200
So next week, we're kicking
things off with, oh, O Brother,

1748
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:40,900
Where Art Thou?
We're going to be looking at

1749
01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:43,500
Raising Arizona and then we're
finishing it off with the Big

1750
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:47,000
Lebowski and your Coen Brothers,
book is literally sitting on the

1751
01:36:47,008 --> 01:36:48,900
desk next.
To me, can't wait to dive into

1752
01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:51,000
that.
And Brad, I cannot wait to

1753
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,400
introduce you to Raising Arizona
which I think might be a perfect

1754
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,700
film.
Yeah, I am incredibly excited

1755
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:02,900
for it and I know I've said this
before, but out of all of the, I

1756
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:06,200
think at this point, two to 300
films, we've reviewed on this

1757
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,000
podcast, one of the ones that
sticks in my brain, the most is

1758
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,000
Fargo.
Yeah.

1759
01:37:11,500 --> 01:37:16,000
That movie just yeah, I am
really excited to jump into the

1760
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,700
Coen Brothers these next few
weeks.

1761
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:20,600
All right, everybody, we will
see you next Monday as we kick

1762
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,300
off the Coen brothers, with O
Brother, Where Art Thou.

1763
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:27,700
But until then, I'm Bob book.
I'm Reggie and we'll see you

1764
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:28,300
next time.