Some Like It Hot / Maker's 46

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In 1959 director, Billy Wilder
and star Marilyn Monroe gave the

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world.
A farce of a comedy that has

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stood the test of time.
In 2019 beam suntory gives us a

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94 proof bourbon that tries to
wax eloquently.

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The film is Some Like It Hot.
The whiskey is Makers 46 and

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we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Hook, I'm Brad G and

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this week we're looking at the
1959 film, Some Like It Hot now

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Bradley Roberts going to be a
stretch, a shock to our

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listeners, but I've Been Told
You had not seen this film

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before.
Fuck this watch up.

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Shut up.
So here's the thing, as I was

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watching this movie, I was
amazed that I'd never seen it

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because this is like, right up
my dad's a lie.

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Yeah, he and it's like the
textbook, like cross-dressing

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comedy, like, it's been, it's
been at my supposed to have seen

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all of the cross-dressing of
these every movie where someone

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has done, this has borrowed
heavily from Some, Like, It Hot,

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ya know this.
This movie.

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I'm going to tip my hand.
It's brilliant.

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Yeah, it's funny.
It's well, written it like, it

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truly has stood the test of
time.

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Absolutely.
So this movie came out in 1959

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directed by Billy Wilder.
Billy Wilder was already a super

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famous writer, and director.
At this point, he had done stuff

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through the 40s and 50s been
nominated for Oscars.

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You know, the year after this,
he made a movie called the

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apartment, that would win best
picture.

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He's at the height of his powers
right now, and he lands for the

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second time.
Marilyn, Monroe to be in his

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movie.
Who is one of the biggest stars

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in the world at this point then
he goes and gets Tony.

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Curtis one of the, the
heartthrob leading actors at the

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time.
And fresh off an Academy Award

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win for best supporting actor.
He gets Jack, Lemmon, who if I

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can tip my hand Jack Lemmon is
one of my all-time favorite

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actors.
I think really?

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Yeah, I think Jack Lemmon really
likes set the bar and the

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blueprint for the comedic actor,
who knew how to do drama as well

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in a really naturalistic like
you, I can't watch Jim Carrey in

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Eternal Sunshine or the Majestic
or any of those without thinking

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of Jack.
Lemmon, I think he really liked

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late it down for people to
follow after the fact.

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And Here he's just given free
reign to do whatever he wants

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and it is wonderful.
Their performance is absolutely

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blow my mind with how much range
they have and their expressions

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in the way they use their voice,
obviously pretending to be

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women.
Like the way that they move

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through their characters is what
absolutely wonderful and just a

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pleasure to watch.
I'll tell you how good Jack

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Clemons performance is, and this
movie.

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He was nominated for best actor
at the Academy Awards for this

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movie.
For this, this is not the kind

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of movie that gets Oscar
nominations and yet it's so

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good.
It was nominated for six Oscars,

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it 11, Oscar for costume design.
We really it was nominated for

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best director best actor, Jack
Lemmon best screenplay

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cinematography and art
Direction.

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So it was a well-received movie
even for the type of movie that

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it is.
So you said that you had not

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seen this before I hadn't.
Did you know anything about it

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before?
Sitting down and Watching it.

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I knew it was about two men who
were on the run and had to

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crossdress to escape the mob.
Oh, so you knew pretty much the

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whole the whole plot.
So if you want a summary of the

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movie, it's two men who are
musicians and they witness the

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the st.
Valentine's Day Massacre, and

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the mob wants to kill them and
in order to escape, they going

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to drag and go on the run to
dress as women.

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Yeah, I'm in Florida and in the
process they join an all girl's

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band.
The lead singer of which is

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Marilyn Monroe, none other than
Marilyn Monroe.

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Of course they both get the hots
for Marilyn, Monroe, one of them

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Falls madly in love with her and
the other Falls madly in love

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with Joey brat an elderly, man
and elderly, men Shenanigans

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ensue.
So going into this movie, you

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know, I've seen it a few times
before.

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I think it's a great classic
comedy farce, but Billy Wilder

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is really known for his dialogue
and he's known for having really

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cynical sharp hard.
Good character as he was really

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big in the film Noir movement.
And so I'm expecting some really

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cynical dialogue in here and you
get it a little bit.

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It's a lot of sarcasm that comes
for, especially from Jack

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Clemons character.
That just kind of like, you

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know, narrates the whole
proceedings, a little bit of

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like, well, this is going to
happen in this going to happen.

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But I was surprised at how witty
it was without being too

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cynical.
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I think that one of the
strengths of the movie was the

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way in which Joe and Jerry
played by Tony Curtis and Jack

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Lemmon the way that they kind of
flow back and forth between the

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two positions of being kind of
sleaze balls that bet on the

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races.
And, you know, at the start of

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the movie, Tony Curtis is
betting, all their money on

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things, and he's kind of the
cynical like maybe not cynical

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but this sense of like, I just
do my own thing in a bet.

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It all on the ponies or the
horses of dogs.

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We're going to do all this and
Jack Lemmon is the reasonable

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one.
The end of the movie Jack Lemmon

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is the one who's taking risks
and Joe is the one who becomes

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more responsible.
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And so they have this good
movement from character and you

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even see that in the Simplicity
of at the start of the movie,

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Tony Curtis has Jack, Lemmon
saying trying to convince

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himself that he's a Girl by
saying I'm a girl.

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I'm a girl I'm a girl.
I'm a girl.

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Yeah.
And at the end of the movie he

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has of saying in a brilliant
reversal that line.

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I'm a boy I'm a boy boy.
That just it's the writing.

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And again, this is one of the
most revered screenplays in the

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history of Hollywood.
It is a classic example of how

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to write a farce, you know, a
farcical comedy, but the dialog

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you can pull Snippets of this
dialogue out.

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And the banter is just so witty,
it holds up so, well, even after

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60 years and this, this movie is
probably one of the most perfect

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examples of when you're talking
about older movies.

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One of the reasons I love older
movies is because they literally

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could not Do visually what we
can do today, you know?

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Like when you watch a Marvel
movie, they are able to do

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things on screen that were
completely unheard of in the 50s

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60s, 70s, 80s, even into the
90s, sure with CGI and all this

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stuff.
So the movies are able to compel

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you visually where these movies
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What did they have to draw you
in with write the dialogue?

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Yeah, and I think this movie is
a perfect example of why I love

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older films.
Is because they don't have all

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the fancy tricks to draw you in.
They have to be good compelling

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actors with well-written
dialogue to draw you into these

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scenes that can be kind of long
and drawn out and a lot of

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talking sure and this movie just
does that perfectly.

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So Wilder was an immigrant and I
think being an immigrant and

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coming to America and learning
some of the sort of witticisms

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and the turns of phrase that we
have in America, it gave him

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that sort of European Cinema
ISM.

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But it also he learned really
easily how to make funny jokes

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out of these dumb things that we
do as Americans and you see it

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all through this movie.
But coming from Europe, he had

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this idea that he wanted to
remake this German film, from

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the 1930s that was called
Fanfare, dare leben with or

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fanfares of love.
And it was about two guys who

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joined an all-girl Orchestra and
dressed in drag.

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But that's about where the
parallels end, because that

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movie, the two guys can kind of
go in and out of drag, like,

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They dress down back into being,
guys, they're just trying to

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infiltrate and like get women.
Whereas, in this movie, Billy

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Wilder knew from the start that
it needed to be two guys and

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they had to join the girls band
as an absolute question of life

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and death.
He said otherwise it would seem

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like at any point in the movie
they could simply remove their

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wigs and tell Marilyn Monroe's
character that they both love

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her.
And so Wilder said we invented

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the fact that, you know, they
should they should be witnessing

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some sort of execution or
Gangland killing and they had to

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As themselves to protect their
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And so from there they actually
wrote backwards, they said,

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okay.
Well, when were gangs prevalent

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in Chicago?
Well in the Roaring Twenties.

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Oh, and then it became well.
How about we just put him at the

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st.
Valentine's Day Massacre.

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Yeah, one of the most famous mob
related events in history.

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Yeah.
So while they're said, it wasn't

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that we just sat down and
decided we're going to do some

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sort of send up on old timey,
gangster pictures.

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That's just how it developed.
And I think it's really

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interesting that they put it in
that historical context because

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it it gives the movie and the
premise as ridiculous as It is

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at least a little bit of
credibility.

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Well, and it gives it a good
sense of tension, right?

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To the movie, where like you
said they can't just reveal

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themselves and Proclaim their
love otherwise, they might die,

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right?
And so, while this movie is a

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comedy and there's not much
serious about it.

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There is that element of
seriousness that draws you in

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and keeps you attached to what's
going to happen?

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Yeah.
And it helps you take a break

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from the sort of Breakneck pace
of the jokes too.

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Because Once in a while, there's
a chase scene and there really

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are steaks that are you know, I
didn't expect to see anybody get

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shot to death in this movie.
Yeah.

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And not only are they getting
shot to death?

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They're getting machine like
tommy guns.

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Yeah.
At a very early stage of the

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film.
Alright, so, in addition to the

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development of the script,
though, Wilder, if there's a

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really interesting history of
how this movie got put together

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in casted to.
So at from a very early stage,

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Billy Wilder wanted Edward G
Robinson to be in the movie and

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to play the old gangster, was a
name spats.

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That's right.
That's Colombo.

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I think, I think he actually
wanted him to play.

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The guy that shows up at the
hotel that's like the head of

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the five families that has like
a DJ Walkman.

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But it turns out to be a hearing
aids an I'm hearing it.

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Yeah, I love that.
Yeah.

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So he was trying to get Edward
G, Robinson, Robinson, kept

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saying, no, I don't want to do
that.

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I don't want to go back to that
point in my career.

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And so, what, while there it is,
he actually cast, Edward, G

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Robinson, Son in like a really
minor role thinking it would

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lure him in, and it did not.
And so, he was just stuck with a

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regime odds and son in the
movie.

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That's funny.
But he knew that he needed to

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get Marilyn Monroe and they
finally got Marilyn Monroe to

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sign and she was really excited
to be in this movie, because she

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had hung out with Hey, Curtis.
When they were both like super

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young and they came to Hollywood
together, like she went on

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record saying, like they used to
make out in the back of his car

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with when he first got there and
he said he remembered her as

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being a really sweet kid, you
know, from back in the day.

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However, over the course of
making this movie, as we will

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come to find out, Hollywood had
taken its toll on Miss Marilyn,

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Monroe it did and they hated
hated each other.

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But I just love this idea that
they had that history coming

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into it too.
Yeah, it actually affected the

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way that the movie.
Filmed a little bit I guess when

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Marilyn Monroe met Tony Curtis
she asked him, do you still have

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that Green Convertible?
And I'm pretty sure Tony Curtis

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was married at this point to
Janet Leigh.

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Okay.
And they know they're about to

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have a baby Jamie Lee Curtis
here in a couple of years.

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So wait, you didn't know this no
idea learning Hollywood history.

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Now wow.
Yeah, they're all related, they

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really are.
All right.

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So why don't we go ahead and
talk a little bit about Marilyn

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Monroe.
Tony Curtis Jack Lemmon Our

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favorite performances from this
film.

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So the, my favorite performance
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that I had never seen.
This person in a movie before.

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I love Marilyn, Monroe in this
movie.

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Yeah, she's taken on this this
like, are or this Aura of Legend

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now.
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And you have to really go back
and watch her in movies to

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understand, just how magnetic of
a screen presence.

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She was, there is something
about her.

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So everything I've ever read
about me, Monroe, is that she

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created the blond bombshell
stereotype, right?

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Yeah.
The dumb blond that like,

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honestly, if you think about the
movie Legally Blond, mmm, get

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like that.
Is a direct Marilyn Monroe

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ancestor, if you will.
And so, looking at that, I just

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always had this sense of, like,
Marilyn Monroe, being just as

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domed.
It's in the movie White

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Christmas, this this is played
by like The show Girls that he's

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trying to hook up the girls
with, you know, I'm talking

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about.
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And so like that's what I was
imagining Marilyn Monroe to be

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and what I got, was this
performance where you have, this

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truly innocent fun.
Like you said, Magnetic

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Personality that just draws you
in with her sincerity with her.

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Kindness her innocence, I, but
here's was blown away.

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She is, she's portrayed as being
not smart obviously like she

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can't recognize that these two
clearly male figures are But

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neither, can anybody else in the
movie for that matter?

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Yes.
But Wilder gives her this

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amazing layer of just sadness
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And I think, because of what she
was going through in her

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personal life at the time to,
she conveys it so well, and

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actually.
So this movie just got released

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on the Criterion Collection, a
few months ago, and, and the

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essay that was written for this
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The essay is said that Marilyn
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heart of the comedy, the only
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laughs.
And you realize that She is

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really, she's the straight man
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And he said, if you like me,
think that she walks away with

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the picture, it's because Wilder
hands it to her.

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Rarely do Jack, Lemmon or Tony
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themselves, but Monroe, often
does she gets close ups?

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That are a rare occurrence, in
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he, she's his Muse in this
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And what she turns in
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It can't be underrated.
It is a fantastic performance.

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She's perfect in this.
Movie.

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Yeah.
And like I said, like you said

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there's something about Marilyn
Monroe that the legend of her

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life and her death and the JFK
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And honestly, like I've seen the
video of her singing, happy

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birthday to JFK.
And so you kind of have all that

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stuff in your brain and there's
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all that just kind of jumped out
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And I just saw her as an actress
and this role and she was

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brilliant.
Absolutely was yeah.

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Everyone in this film is working
at like their best level though.

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I'm sure you can't you can't get
away from lemon and Curtis and

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we I've already talked about how
much I love Jack Lemmon in this

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movie, but he's so good.
That you forget how good Tony

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Curtis it and Tony.
Curtis is actually playing three

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parts in this movie.
Yeah, instead of lemons to like

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he's playing his female self,
he's playing himself and he's

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playing the Cary Grant
impersonating billionaire shall

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oil, Junior?
That is Transatlantic farcical

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accent.
Oh it is so fun.

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It's amazing.
And he'll if you've seen Cary

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Grant like it's a bad Cary Grant
a.

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Yeah, I guess at one point,
Billy Wilder showed this movie

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to Cary Grant.
And after the fact he was like,

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what do you think of Tony's
accent?

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And he was like, he's like,
well, he's trying to sound like

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you and Cary Grant's.
I don't talk like that.

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Ha ha ha.
What is it?

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Young lady.
What are you staring at?

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This happens to me all the time
in public situations.

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And would you mind moving along?
Please?

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Yes.
Pray, he's waiting for a signal

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from this yacht.
Yes, yes.

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It sleeps 12.
This is my friend Daphne.

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She's a very sick girl.
I'm a, what how has it been

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more?
I heard a very sad story about a

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girl who went to bring more, she
squealed on a roommate and they

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found the strangled with her own
busier.

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Yes.
We have to be very careful whom

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we picked her up.
They but what are the cool

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stories that I pulled for this
episode was Wilder really needed

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to.
Coach Jack Lemmon and Tony

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Curtis in the art of female
impersonation.

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And so he better to do that than
another man.

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He taught he hired a legendary
drag queen from Europe, not

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known as Van Der Clyde, I'm
sorry.

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Yeah, Vander Clyde a legendary
drag queen from Europe who went

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by the name bar bet and after
only a few days of working with

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them, barbet, quits and Wilders.
Like what's going on and barbet,

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says, Tony Curtis is doing
amazing.

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I can't teach Jack Lemmon
anything I quit.

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He's impossible and lemon
actually came out and said

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afterwards.
I always saw my character as,

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like, the more, you know, I
don't want a predatory but he's

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like, he's only interested in
one thing.

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He's definitely more of like a
barbaric guy.

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And so, while Jack Tony Curtis
is playing it kind of more

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demure and you know, sachet and
things like that.

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Jack Lemmon spends the whole
movie tripping over his high

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heels and not learning, you
know, and it's He played for

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laughs but this drag queen was
so upset that he wouldn't comply

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that she just walked out that
sometimes you hear stories about

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movies made back before you
know, pre 70s, and you just got.

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Did that.
Did that really happen?

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Yeah.
Is that everything is a legend

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in Hollywood?
Yeah, so, who knows, if any of

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this is actually true.
Yeah, hi, yeah.

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That makes me a pile of Jack
Clemons character, though,

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because he does feel more
forced, Than Tony Curtis.

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I feel like he genuinely has
this sense of like, even his

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voice sounds more put on the
Tony Curtis is does Tony Curtis

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kind of sounds?
Like you know, this kind of Alto

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Essure husky kind of woman and
Jack Lemmon just that's for

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sure.
And that goes back to to the

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casting is perfect in this
movie.

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And then you've got the
wonderful wonderful character of

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Osgood played by.
Comedian Joey Brown.

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He has the biggest mouth I've
ever seen on a few.

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Hey, he's a very distinct
looking man.

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And that's the thing I know for
a fact, I don't know what it is.

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I know I've seen him in another
movie.

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Yeah.
Well, he's making movies in the,

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you know, in the 30s.
He was a robber forever.

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So his face is so distinctive.
And the way he moves his face,

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he is such a good physical
comedian.

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I want to get into the last line
of the movie because Joey Brown

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delivers, one of the best
closing lines in the history of

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of film.
And the funny thing about it is

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the backstory.
So Billy Wilder said that he was

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working with his writing partner
IL diamond.

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And he said we were in our room
working together and we were

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waiting for the next line.
We needed Joey Browns response

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the final line, the curtain line
of the film to come to us and

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then I heard Diamond say
nobody's perfect.

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I thought about it and I said
well let's put in nobody's

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perfect for now but only for the
time being we have a whole week

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to think about it.
Well without a better idea, they

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shot the line and Ended up in
the movie and they both still

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kind of hated it there.
Like, well, I don't know what

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else could have gone there and
then they tested out the movie

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and said that line, got one of
the biggest laughs I've ever

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heard in a movie theater, it's
so good.

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So context, right?
The end of the film, there all,

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escaping from Euler's more,
right.

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Spoiler alert, they're all
escaping from the mob, on this

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little speedboat and Tony,
Curtis and Marilyn Monroe are

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making up with each other, and
he's admitting, you know, I'm

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not who I said, I was, I love
you, I love you, making up and

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making out, right?
And in the front of the

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speedboat, you've got Osgood
this older gentleman, who's been

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pursuing Jack Clemons fake
female, the whole film and

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jaglom is trying so hard to find
reasons why she can't marry him.

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I can't have children.
Like I could never have

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children, which is true.
Well, adopt was.

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Yeah, and he's coming back with
all these comebacks, you know,

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it's going to be with, you will
adopt kids and finally Jack, let

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me get so mad.
He rips his wig off and says,

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hey, that's good.
I'm a man.

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Nobody's perfect.
Nobody's Perfect.

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It's just such a great wine.
Yeah and there's so many,

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there's so many great moments
throughout the movie.

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Great one-liners, great
interactions between people that

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how could it end any differently
than with one of the best lines

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of all time?
That can get a laugh.

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Anytime you hear it?
Anytime you see it?

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Absolutely one of my favorite
lines from the movie is when the

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police officer, the very start
of the movie sits down in the

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Speakeasy in the funeral home.
And he says, I'll have Some

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bourbon or whiskey.
He says, oh, we don't have

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bourbon.
Here, we have coffee, we got

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Scotch coffee, and she didn't
coffee.

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And whiskey coffee, is coffee
tray.

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It's just so clever all the way
through and Wilder.

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He knew what he had to do to
make this movie.

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The right, well, I guess when he
went and shot movies, they

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didn't shoot a ton of coverage
meaning like they didn't shoot

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extra footage from different
angles.

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Just in case he knew exactly
what he was going in to do, and

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they started testing out the
movie and he was trying to

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figure out, how should I It and
they did a color screen test

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with the guys in their makeup
and it looks so bad that he

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said, even though the joke is
that their makeup is terrible

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and no one can tell the
audience, won't even buy this,

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we have to make the movie in
black and white at this point.

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That's the reason why the movies
in black and white, and I was

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actually wondering that, I was
like, 1959.

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That feels like, it could be in
the color.

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Yeah, sure.
Yeah, it was an intentional move

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to put it in black and white and
I think that works really well.

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Yeah, definitely.
Bob, I absolutely love this

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movie.
We've already tipped our hand so

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hard.
Yeah, it's a great movie.

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Yep.
Let's try some bourbon here I

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say, let's yeah, let's get into
trying this bourbon.

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We brought with us today,
makers, 46.

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This is not your regular
Maker's.

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Mark, this is 46.
I don't know what tired 40 that

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your 45th makers, know, or your
47th.

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All I know is that it's more
expensive than regular Makers,

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Mark.
So let's pop the cork, let's

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give it a try bread.
All right, so Brad time to drink

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some more with.
This is the best part of every

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podcast for me hands down
because I get to drink whiskey

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today.
We're going back to an old

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standard bourbon, the good old
bourbon, you love some Bourbon

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and we are drinking makers 46.
Now Maker's Mark is one of the

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more popular bourbons and there
are hardcore Makers, Mark

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aficionados, but I've been in
places where some bars will use

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makers like as their, well,
Urban.

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Yeah, which is injured.
I mean it's not a cheap bourbon

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know it.
And I would say it's a good

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decent.
Good quality bourbon.

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Yeah.
Usually and that would just mean

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to me that.
It's a very palatable bourbon.

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Yeah.
It's not offensive to anybody.

450
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,200
Yeah.
So what makers is it's aged at

451
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,800
least five years in order to
make makers 46 what they do?

452
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Is they take the makers out of
the barrel after it's been aged.

453
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,900
They add in Oak, staves that
have been like really heavily

454
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,900
charred back into the barrel and
then they put all the liquid

455
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,800
back in it again, throw back up
on the shelf for a couple more

456
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,900
months, to get some more of
that, Okie Char out of it, and

457
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:47,100
then they release it.
It is significantly pricier than

458
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:51,800
Makers, Mark standard it.
You're going to run at least $40

459
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600
for a fifth this oh wow.
Yeah, so it's a fairly high end

460
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,900
bourbon.
Brad.

461
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,200
What are you picking up on the
nose of this one?

462
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,700
As I smell it, there is a
decent.

463
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200
Alcohol.
Smell this smell.

464
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,100
You know what?
It smells like.

465
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:13,800
It smells like acetone.
Like it smells like nail-polish

466
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,000
remover.
So the funny thing is, we

467
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,500
reviewed, you know, Scotch the
other week.

468
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,200
And I've always been told this
scotch has a crazy, strong

469
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,000
smell, but honestly the Bourbons
that we've reviewed on average,

470
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,300
I would say have a much
stronger, just a heavy smell of

471
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,700
pure out your alcohol.
Yeah.

472
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,700
And I can't tell if it's like,
it's so alcoholic that it's

473
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,900
Taking my scent, but I am, like,
underneath all the alcohol.

474
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,200
I feel like I'm picking up some
floral almost like a flowery

475
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,400
note, yeah, yeah, something
yeah, no rose or something on.

476
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,800
I mean, like it really does
there's some sort of floral to

477
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,700
it and as it Mellows and we
poured it just a little bit ago.

478
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,100
You finally, get down to some of
that caramel and vanilla and

479
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,200
maple.
I was just thinking, I actually

480
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,900
can kind of get a strong maple
flavor.

481
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,500
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
But I like I'm picking up a lot

482
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,900
of floral like a rose petal kind
of thing.

483
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:12,400
Yeah.
No, I could definitely see that.

484
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,400
Let's give it a taste.
All right.

485
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,300
I got more floral on that.
It is not.

486
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,900
Yeah, it's not sweet at all.
That it is extra Smoky.

487
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,200
Yes.
It tastes kind of like nothing.

488
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:32,700
And then it's Smokey going down,
but not the same way that Scotch

489
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,900
was Smoky.
No, it's definitely a different

490
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,800
kind of smell and taste.
Like they charred a barrel and

491
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,400
through water or through alcohol
on top of it.

492
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,300
Yeah.
I don't know if I'm a fan Brad.

493
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:50,200
Thus far I'm not picking up the
hints of vanilla and maple that

494
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,200
ice melt which is yeah, what I
would call disappointing.

495
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,300
Here's the thing like I saw the
mash bill for this online you

496
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,700
know which is like the
ingredient list.

497
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,200
It said, 70% corn, which we know
bourbon has to be at least 51%

498
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,500
corn 16% wheat which usually
these ways they use wheat to

499
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:12,800
like temper down some of the
really sweet corn and I get that

500
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,800
but it cancels out the corn in
this.

501
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:20,600
And I'm really shocked at how
harsh The Taste is on this.

502
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,900
Yeah, it's it's been a solid 30,
40 seconds since I took a sip

503
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
and it's still burning in the
back of my throat.

504
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,300
Yeah.
Would you agree?

505
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,500
And yeah, real spicy.
But there's no, right.

506
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,200
There's no Ryan it though, which
you would expect with a really

507
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,000
spicy Burger.
I guess I would never would have

508
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,700
expected a charred Oak.
Stave to bring in this much.

509
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,900
Yeah, spice.
And this much smokiness to it.

510
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,500
Well, talking about 40 seconds
after you've swallowed it.

511
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,800
Let's talk about the finish.
I don't think it has a pleasant

512
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,500
one.
I will say the the flavor

513
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,400
doesn't sit on you strong, which
is fine.

514
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,400
Yeah, but the, the kind of
burning alcohol.

515
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,500
A flavor definitely sits on you.
Yeah, which isn't good.

516
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,500
No, in my opinion.
Not not a good thing.

517
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600
Yeah, I'm not I'm not huge on
this.

518
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,800
I'm not gonna lie and I like
regular makers.

519
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Yeah, regular Maker's.
Mark is a good bourbon.

520
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,900
All right, so let's Let's finish
this out here.

521
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:22,300
Balance overall balance.
Brad is struggle every it's only

522
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:23,900
94 proof to.
That's the thing.

523
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,300
I'm I wasn't expecting.
I feel like I'm breathing fire

524
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:31,300
after I drink this bourbon.
Yeah so I would say that Bob and

525
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,900
I aren't maybe amateurs when it
comes to whiskies and and such

526
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:37,500
but we're not professionals by
any standard.

527
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,800
I think the biggest surprise to
me as we've tasted more

528
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Whiskey's and expanded.
Our selection is how proof does

529
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000
not determine Ermine anything
anything at all.

530
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Like in my brain going into
this, I was like, oh yeah. 120

531
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,900
proof is gonna burn like crazy
and in 80 proof won't.

532
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,400
Yeah, but we've had an 80 to 86
proof that.

533
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,000
Yep.
Burp.

534
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,400
Pretty well and you could feel
it going down.

535
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,900
This is a, what was it?
A 94, 94, it's fireproof but

536
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:09,600
it's not.
I mean, it's not over 100, it's

537
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,700
not over 100.
We've had hundreds that burnt

538
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,600
much less than you do now.
And like the alcohol is so

539
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,500
forward in this that even as I'm
talking, I My tongue isn't

540
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:19,600
getting numb.
Yeah.

541
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,300
So this does not bode well for
our scores rad.

542
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,400
What would you offer up on this
for nose?

543
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:35,200
33, I would give it a for taste.
Five.

544
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,700
Yeah, I gave it a 6, The Taste
isn't awful it just doesn't have

545
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:42,300
much going on for it.
Finish to that.

546
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,500
Gave it a 3.
Yep.

547
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,700
And overall balance I mean it's
pretty balanced all around.

548
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:53,400
So six give it a 6 I gave it a 5
which puts me at an 18, it puts

549
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,500
Brad at a 16 which means overall
makers. 46 is only coming out to

550
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,500
a 17 out of 40 which is below
average.

551
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,100
About where we put benchmarks.
But number we put benchmark and

552
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:09,500
again, you have to take price
into this 100%.

553
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,200
We will always say we are not
professional film critics.

554
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,700
We are not professional.
Whiskey, drinkers were not kind

555
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:16,700
of sores.
Drink the whiskey you like to

556
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:21,600
drink and as a guy who is
limited in my funds as two

557
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,600
gentlemen, who are living is who
are paying off grad school.

558
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600
I'm not gonna go out and buy a
40 dollar bottle of this.

559
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,300
When I can buy a 20 dollar
bottle of something that is just

560
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,600
way better tasting.
Yeah, it's not.

561
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:35,900
Complex enough for me.
The alcohol is too forward.

562
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,200
I don't like the mouth feel that
it gives me honestly.

563
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,700
If you for me if you wanted a
strong mixer, this would be it.

564
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,200
But I'm not paying not from the
price.

565
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Yeah.
Imagine.

566
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,300
How much it would cost to have a
drink mixed with this in our?

567
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,400
I would never want that.
Yeah, so would you recommend for

568
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,400
now?
I would not recommend either.

569
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,400
Save your $40, spend it on
something better, will throw

570
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,400
people back to Very Old Barton
again, very good man, Very Old

571
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,100
Barton, it's holding up with its
12 dollar price point or

572
00:30:02,108 --> 00:30:03,900
whatever it was.
That was only twelve dollars.

573
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,600
Something like that.
It's like 12 to 15.

574
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Yeah.
Go buy it right now.

575
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,100
Goodbye very low.
Parton do not buy makers. 46

576
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,300
Brad.
What do you say?

577
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:19,100
We get back into Some Like It.
Hot Alright Brad.

578
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,600
So let's talk some more about
Some Like It Hot.

579
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,900
Now this movie for as wonderful
and as fun as it is has a very

580
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:29,500
storied history of being.
One of the most troubled movies

581
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,700
of all time to make and it has
to do with the sort of mental

582
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,000
health of Marilyn Monroe at the
time right now.

583
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,100
We all know that she really
struggled from depression.

584
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,500
She had suicidal thoughts and
tendencies and she was addicted

585
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,900
to alcohol and pills at this
point, which is funny because

586
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,600
she literally says in the movie
that she drinks, way too much

587
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,500
alcohol.
Great.

588
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Except in the movies, she says,
she can stop whenever she wants

589
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,500
to and the real-life Marilyn
Monroe.

590
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,600
Unfortunately could not write
for one thing.

591
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,400
She had a miscarriage, while
they were shooting the film and

592
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,300
eventually she and her husband
the playwright Arthur Miller

593
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,000
blamed her miscarriage on, how
much Billy Wilder was over

594
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,800
working her, whether or not
that's true or accurate is Up

595
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,900
For Debate, but it became a
point of contention after the

596
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:14,700
movie was finished shooting, but
during the shoot, she had been

597
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,900
seeing a psychiatrist.
Diet wrist in New York and she

598
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,100
apparently was really dependent
on this psychiatrist and she

599
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,100
needed to go back to New York on
weekends to see her psychiatrist

600
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:26,700
because they're shooting in LA
and so it basically shut down

601
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,500
production like every weekend
sometimes wouldn't come back

602
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:30,900
when she was supposed to come
back.

603
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,600
She chronically showed up to the
set late, and she couldn't

604
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,700
remember her lines, because she
was strung out on pills so

605
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:38,800
often.
So by the end of the shoot, like

606
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,900
everyone on set hated working
with her, but they didn't

607
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,400
understand what was going on
behind the scenes.

608
00:31:44,408 --> 00:31:47,200
So at Point while they're
shooting the film.

609
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,800
She starts writing a letter to a
friend back home in New York.

610
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,000
And she said in the letter that
she felt like she was on a ship

611
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,100
sinking in a rough and choppy
sea.

612
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,500
And then the next night, she
swallowed an overdose of

613
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,300
sleeping pills and tried to kill
herself while shooting this

614
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:02,600
movie.
Oh my God.

615
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Yeah.
So she was found obviously found

616
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,300
in time.
They rescued her, they put her

617
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,100
in hospital, but the studio
covered it up, obviously.

618
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,900
And so details, like this didn't
get out, they just said she was,

619
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:15,700
you know, suffering from
exhaustion or whatever they say.

620
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,700
When a star tries to kill
herself but that's where she was

621
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,500
mentally during the making of
this picture and as it affected

622
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,700
her work, her co-stars grew to
hate her more and more.

623
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,200
Tony Curtis would have to do
lines with her.

624
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Sometimes, I do 50 takes of a
scene and whenever Marilyn would

625
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,100
finally get it right.
Billy Wilder would say cut and

626
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,100
print.
That's the scene we're using and

627
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,300
Tony Curtis would be like well
that wasn't my best scene.

628
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:42,400
Billy Wilder said to Tony
Curtis.

629
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,900
Well, it doesn't matter because
when she's on screen, everyone's

630
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:48,400
eyes are on her anyway.
Which set Tony Curtis off.

631
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400
And then I guess one day they're
like reviewing all the dailies,

632
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,900
the rushes from the day and
they're sitting in the screening

633
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,100
room and talking and someone
asked, hey Tony.

634
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,300
What's it like to kiss, Marilyn
Monroe and he said, it's like

635
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,800
kissing Hitler.
That's how mad he was with her.

636
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,700
And apparently, I like Jack,
Lemmon has gone on record and

637
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:07,500
said that he only made that
statement to the cast and crew,

638
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,500
but it's become an Infamous line
in Hollywood history, it leaked

639
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,600
to the press, and it became the
big story kissing, Marilyn

640
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Monroe is like kissing him.
Adler.

641
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,600
And so that's the level that
were functioning at during the

642
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,900
making of this movie and how
much these people hate each

643
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,100
other.
And that just, yeah, that just

644
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,300
blows my mind that you can have
so much hatred and animosity

645
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:31,300
off-screen, right and put forth,
such a beautiful product on

646
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,800
screen.
Absolutely like, well and then

647
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400
you read about like the history
of filming, some of the scenes,

648
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400
I guess, as they were trying to
wrap up the movie, Marilyn

649
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Monroe, had become so dependent
on drinking and he was actually

650
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,500
drinking whiskey ironically for
this podcast.

651
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,900
After she finishes, She call out
for her assistant and say, bring

652
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,600
me coffee and her assistant
would bring her whiskey whiskey

653
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,100
coffee in a coffee mug and she
drink it after every single take

654
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:02,700
and apparently the scene where
she comes into Tony Curtis and

655
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:07,100
Jack Clemons room after she's
met Shell Oil, Junior and

656
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,300
eventually he breaks up with
her.

657
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,500
And she comes in all sad.
And says, you know, where's that

658
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:13,100
bourbon?
She's looking through all the

659
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,699
drawers for it.
They had to film that scene.

660
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,300
Like 50 times and Billy Wilder
was trying to deal with a person

661
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:24,300
who onset was drunk and under
the influence of pills.

662
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,000
And so he's pulling her aside
and he's saying like now listen,

663
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,900
here's your motivation, its
prohibition.

664
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:34,100
You really want alcohol, it took
Marilyn Monroe. 47 takes just to

665
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,100
say the line.
Where's that bottle?

666
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,400
And they had, they had like,
outtakes of her.

667
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,900
And it's like, you know, I'm not
trying to make light of it, but

668
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:43,199
like she was saying things like
where's that Bonbon, and things

669
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,100
like that, because she could
like physically couldn't make

670
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,199
the words I could.
Was so high eventually.

671
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,100
They had to tape the line on a
piece of paper inside the

672
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,100
drawer, so that when she opened
the drawer looking for the

673
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:56,500
whiskey, she could see the
words.

674
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,100
Where's that bottle?
She's falling apart on the set

675
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,500
of this movie.
And then, you know, it gets

676
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:05,900
capped off by the fact that she
has a miscarriage, which is

677
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,400
obviously fueled by her alcohol.
Consumption, her pill

678
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,300
consumption and her overworked.
Yeah, it's a, it's amazing

679
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:15,700
hearing all that because I did
find this.

680
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,900
The story about her husband,
Arthur Miller.

681
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,500
That after the film had opened
and been in theaters, Billy

682
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,400
Wilder did an interview with a
correspondent for the New York

683
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,800
Times.
And he kind of final is the

684
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,700
first time he publicly announced
like, hey, things really sucked

685
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,700
on set and it was Marilyn
Monroe's faults or at least so

686
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:40,700
he said it that way.
And so the corresponding called

687
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,100
Billy Wilder and said, hey, you
need to come see this telegram

688
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,400
that I just got and it was
something that Arthur Miller

689
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,900
Marilyn Monroe's, husband had
written to him.

690
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,100
And, and we have this letter,
that was written that, I kind of

691
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,500
want to read because it's just
like out of this world.

692
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,600
Yeah.
So Miller is writing a telegram

693
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,800
to Billy Wilder because Wilder
find, he finds out that Wilder

694
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,700
had basically trashed her in the
Press, after the movie came out,

695
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:04,400
right?
Yeah.

696
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,300
And so, he writes this letter,
he says Dear Billy, I cannot let

697
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:11,100
your vicious attack on Maryland.
Go unchallenged.

698
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,400
You were officially informed by
Maryland's physician that due to

699
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,700
her pregnancy, she was not able
to work a full day.

700
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,500
You choose to ignore this fact
during the making of the picture

701
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:25,300
and worse yet, assiduously
avoided mentioning it in your

702
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,400
attack.
On her fact is she went on to

703
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800
pick with the picture.
Out of a pure sense of

704
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,700
responsibility, not only to
herself, but to you and the cast

705
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:38,000
and the producer 12 hours after
the last shooting day, her

706
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,500
miscarriage began.
Now that the hit for which she

707
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,400
is.
So largely responsible for is in

708
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800
your hands and it's Come to you
assured.

709
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,300
The attack on her is
contemptible.

710
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,300
I will add only that she began
this picture with a throat

711
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,000
infection.
So serious, that a specialist

712
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,300
forbade her to work at all until
it was cured.

713
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,700
She went on, nevertheless, your
jokes Billy are not quote

714
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,400
hilarious enough to conceal.
That fact you are an unjust man

715
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,800
and a cruel one.
My only Solace is that despite

716
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,400
you, her beauty, and her
Humanity shine, And through as

717
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,700
they always have.
Wow.

718
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,300
Well, it's harsh, man.
That is so harsh apparently,

719
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,500
Billy Wilder actually responded
to that and made light of it and

720
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,900
disarmed Arthur Miller and they
eventually made up or something.

721
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,900
But this is, I mean, Billy
Wilder was known for being kind

722
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,800
of a jerk.
He's one of my favorite

723
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,100
directors, but I don't doubt
that in some way his overworked

724
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,400
contributed to what happened to
Maryland.

725
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Obviously her own actions need
to be taken into account to but

726
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,700
all around what happened with
Rho is a tragedy and you see the

727
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,400
seeds of it?
Starting in this movie.

728
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,600
Yeah.
And this and this movie came out

729
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,600
three years before her death,
right?

730
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,800
Like this is not long before.
No, you can't.

731
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,600
You guys see the spiral starting
to happen.

732
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:05,500
And yet, what's captured on film
is is so brilliant and you don't

733
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,200
know it when you're just sitting
down to watch it, you can't

734
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,700
really see you know, Tony Curtis
and Marilyn Monroe.

735
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,700
Still have a chemistry in that
movie and obviously I think it

736
00:38:14,707 --> 00:38:16,900
goes back a ways.
And it's sad to me to think

737
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,300
about the fact that they had a
history and that it got thrown

738
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,400
away like this, but it actually
it to lighten the mood a little

739
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,500
bit.
There's a story that Tony Curtis

740
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,000
was telling and maybe this is
for are more mature.

741
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,300
Listeners turn this off if you
didn't already when we were

742
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,300
drinking whiskey for your kids,
but apparently the scene where

743
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,700
Marilyn Monroe and Tony Curtis
are making out on the couch on

744
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,800
the yacht.
When he's pretending to be Cary

745
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,300
Grant.
Yes.

746
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:44,800
When he's pretending to be Cary
Grant, apparently they did that.

747
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,500
Take a number of Times and Tony
Curtis said, she noticed that I

748
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:55,100
was starting to get a little
excited as one might and she you

749
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,400
know, she reminded him of what
it used to be like when they

750
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,100
would make out in the back of
the convertible.

751
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:04,200
And so they decided they should
do something to indicate that

752
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,300
the character was getting kind
of turned on.

753
00:39:06,308 --> 00:39:09,700
And so if you look in that
scene, they're kind of filming

754
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:13,400
it from behind his head and and
he came up with this idea of

755
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,600
lifting, his foot up behind And
her to sort of indicate that

756
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,300
he's you know, he's ready to go,
you know really interesting racy

757
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:25,700
choices that are being made here
in 59 and this movie is actually

758
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,700
credited for helping to kind of
abolish.

759
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,200
The censorship board which is
interesting, having watched The

760
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,900
Aviator.
Yeah.

761
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,100
When we think about Howard
Hughes and how he went before

762
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:42,400
the review board and had a
quote-unquote doctor, measuring

763
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,600
the size of you know, women's
breasts and all these things.

764
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200
And so, to think about that
leading to the point where

765
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Marilyn Monroe and Tony Curtis
are making out, excuse me, on

766
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,600
the couch.
Yeah, it's interesting to think

767
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,600
about definitely.
So when this movie premiered,

768
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,100
they decided to do test
screenings.

769
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:01,700
And this is a common thing that
happens in Hollywood.

770
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,800
They want to, before they make a
final edit, they want to see how

771
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,600
the movie is going over.
They did a test screening with

772
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,700
an audience that they found out
later.

773
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,600
They had been to see a movie,
what they would do in those days

774
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,300
is a paying audience would be
like held in the theater and

775
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,200
they would say, hey anyone Who
wants to stay stay after and

776
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,800
watch this movie, that we're
testing today, they'd gone to

777
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,000
see the Tennessee Williams play
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

778
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,200
That had just been adapted and
it's a, it's a very dramatic

779
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,700
movie that's so funny.
My dad literally last night said

780
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,300
to me.
Oh, you and Bob should do Cat on

781
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,300
a Hot Tin.
It's my favorite Tennessee will

782
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,900
do it at some point, it's on my
list but they just got done

783
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:38,400
watching this.
Very moving very dramatic movie

784
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,500
and they threw on Some Like It
Hot and they said nobody laughed

785
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:44,900
at all.
Nobody in the theater was

786
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,300
laughing.
Jack Lemmon said that he was

787
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,900
watching people, leave the
theater in droves, walking down

788
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:51,500
the aisle.
Saying what the hell is this?

789
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,900
Billy Wilder said he was
devastated and he had a director

790
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:57,800
buddy.
Joseph mankiewicz super famous

791
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,700
director there with him.
And I guess mankiewicz put his

792
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:03,600
arm around Billy Wilder and
said, it's okay, Billy.

793
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,300
It happens to all of us.
They all thought this movie was

794
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,300
going to be a dud and Wilder
said, you know what, let's try

795
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,500
it again.
They had a preview screening, a

796
00:41:11,508 --> 00:41:14,400
couple nights later and he held
it in like a really affluent

797
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,800
suburb of La thinking that maybe
rich people will think it's

798
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,300
funnier and they did it went
over great.

799
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,600
They said the laughter was like
uproarious, but the thing that

800
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,800
made them laugh was that they
told them ahead of time.

801
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,200
This is a comedy because the
people at Tennessee Williams,

802
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,200
they thought they were watching.
Another melodrama, they didn't

803
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,900
understand why, you know, why
are they behaving like this?

804
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,100
So, all I had to do, was tell
them, hey, this is a comedy and

805
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,600
then everyone started laughing.
Yeah, it is funny how, like,

806
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,400
your expectations for a movie,
really?

807
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Do Define.
How do you feel about?

808
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,700
Yeah, for sure.
How you feel about the the

809
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:50,700
acting and the writing and all
of that.

810
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:54,600
Yeah, definitely so Brad, why
don't we move into talking about

811
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,100
sort of the bigger themes that
are presented by this movie?

812
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,200
You know, I think that if we
really wanted to dig deeply, we

813
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,200
could try to find something
about gender about, you know,

814
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,900
what it means to have an
identity.

815
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,000
But are those teams really
present in this movie Man.

816
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,100
It's so hard to say because
comedies, in general, aren't

817
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,800
trying to take themselves
seriously, which isn't always

818
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,500
true.
Some comedies are meant to be

819
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,600
pointed towards a certain,
social ale.

820
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Or other thing, I wouldn't say
that this movie is, though, I

821
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,200
genuinely think that this movie
is funny for being funny sake.

822
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,100
Yeah, you know, it's that it's
that comedic, humor of mixed

823
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,700
identity of thinking that
somebody is something that

824
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:45,300
they're not.
Yep, the, the movie, Is there to

825
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:46,600
make you laugh?
Yep.

826
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
And I think it does.
It absolutely successfully.

827
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,100
Yeah.
The essayist from the Criterion

828
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:55,300
Collection essay, he also talked
about this and he said over the

829
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,600
years, some very smart.
People have praised, Some Like

830
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,800
It Hot For its gender and sexual
politics.

831
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,800
And he said, while I see what
they mean.

832
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,900
I don't really think while there
was out to make that point, he

833
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:09,500
said he thought cross-dressing
was funny, he thought Americans

834
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:13,000
who were dizzy in the rat race
were funny and he quotes the

835
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400
lines, you're A guy.
Why would a guy want to marry

836
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,700
another guy?
And the answer was security.

837
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,700
He said that's Wilders,
capitalism speaking, not love or

838
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,700
lust or even, man, or woman.
Some Like, It Hot is not the

839
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,900
same movie as Tootsie, he says,
it's not interested in how the

840
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,200
experience of being a woman can
make men better men.

841
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:36,200
This is a billy Wilder movie.
It is about the Machiavelli and

842
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,500
lengths to, which people will go
to get what they want, which is

843
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,900
never much nobler than money sex
or self-preservation, and that's

844
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:44,700
kind of what I mean.
Those are the things that I'm

845
00:43:44,707 --> 00:43:45,900
looking.
That's what everyone's looking.

846
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,400
I mean, the gangsters are
looking for money and revenge,

847
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,100
You Know, Jack Lemmon and Tony
Curtis when the movie starts out

848
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,400
there looking for sex, they
money.

849
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,900
Well, money to obviously they're
poor.

850
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,400
But on the train, You Know, Jack
Lemmon has to keep reminding

851
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,600
himself.
I'm a girl.

852
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,900
I'm a girl.
I'm a girl is sex-obsessed,

853
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:02,400
right?
Yeah.

854
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,000
And while there is poking at
these, these tendencies in

855
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,700
American Life, shall we listen
to me?

856
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,100
Listen to me.
Sir, almost conventions.

857
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,800
It's just not being done.
Joe.

858
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,800
So this may be my last chance to
Marry a Millionaire.

859
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,400
Jerry, Jerry, will you take my
advice?

860
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:22,100
Forget about the whole thing.
We just keep telling yourself.

861
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,300
You're a boy.
You're a boy.

862
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,200
I'm a boy.
That's the boy go.

863
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,800
I'm a boy.
I'm a boy.

864
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,200
I wish I were dead.
Oh boy, oh boy.

865
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,900
Oh boy, am I a boy.
Now, what am I gonna do about my

866
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,500
engagement present, what
engagement for ask?

867
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:45,200
What gave me a bracelet?
Hey, these are real diamonds.

868
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,500
Of course, they're real.
What you think?

869
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,100
My fianc�� is a bum.
And I think there's parts of the

870
00:44:49,107 --> 00:44:52,300
movie that you could say, oh,
they're getting to see what it's

871
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,200
like to be a woman and be
harassed and things like that.

872
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,300
Sure.
And that might be an element of

873
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:58,900
it but that's not the point of
the movie, right?

874
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:02,400
Well yeah, you get Tony Curtis
having that sort of role

875
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,600
reversal of understanding that I
don't have to be this and I also

876
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,900
don't have to be a billionaire.
I can I can be myself with

877
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,000
someone.
He really has a great character

878
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,800
archive Like I was just about to
say, one of the reasons I do

879
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,300
love this movie is because it's
not completely sold on just

880
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,800
being silly.
Right there is a character Arc

881
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,400
especially for Tony Curtis and
he does get drawn into being a

882
00:45:23,408 --> 00:45:25,400
different person.
And I think there's something

883
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,400
cool about that.
Yeah.

884
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Absolutely.
But it walks that line and it

885
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,800
keeps that balance so well,
because if it was a more like

886
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,700
dramatic comedy, a dramedy, I
guess, you know, it would end

887
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,800
with Tony Curtis having this
Revelation and falling in love

888
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,600
with Marilyn Monroe.
Row and it would, it would Fade

889
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Out of them kissing.
But while there's not content to

890
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,600
let us end there, he's like, we
need one last Zinger and that

891
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,100
see, Joey, brownie, Joey Brown.
And so, I love that.

892
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,000
It's not just a farce and it's
not just a dramatic Arc, it's

893
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,800
both of those things.
And what Wilder does so

894
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,900
beautifully is, he makes sure to
not pigeonhole, this movie.

895
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:04,500
It's not just a drag comedy.
It's a mob movie, and, but it's

896
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,600
also a little bit of an action
movie.

897
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,900
Oh, yeah.
I mean, there's the time.

898
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:11,200
I remember I was watching it and
the, the scene with the cops.

899
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,500
In the mobsters and the car
flips around when the guy gets

900
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,100
thrown off, like for the time
that had to be a scary scene to

901
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:22,100
shoot that opening scene sets
the tone so well because you've

902
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,700
got the cops shooting into this,
hearse that's being driven and

903
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,800
then Wilder pulls the rug out
from under you and you see whole

904
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
shot in it and thing's leaking
out and it's this really morbid.

905
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,100
Like it was that like a corpse
leak.

906
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:34,300
Yeah.
They open it.

907
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,900
And it's bottles of liquor
rights prohibition, and it's

908
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:39,600
this great gotcha, sort of
reversal.

909
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,300
And that's the whole Theme of
the movie, is everyone's going

910
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,200
to be you know switching their
identities and reversing those

911
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,000
identities.
And nothing is what it seems and

912
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
I think that he sets the tone
with his writing and with this

913
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,400
direction so perfectly with that
first scene.

914
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,300
And I think that that's
something that's so great about

915
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:03,300
this movie, is that a common
human desire is to not be stuck

916
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,200
in who they are sure.
I think there's always this kind

917
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,400
of this ideal of being able to
change who you are to become a

918
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,300
better person that you don't
have.

919
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,800
Be pigeonholed as a janitor or
as an electrician, or as ass

920
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,600
musician, that that you can
change who you are, that you can

921
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,900
accomplish new things.
And, and these types of movies,

922
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:26,500
really put that on full display
of nothing is what it seems.

923
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,200
You can be whoever you need to
be to survive to get through to

924
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,700
get on with your life.
Yep.

925
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,400
And and so on a deeper level the
movie really does work with

926
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,500
communicating to the human soul
of like these are common human

927
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,300
desires.
Well it might not be everybody's

928
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,100
Desire to crossdress to escape
the mob.

929
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,600
I think that there's something
cool about the idea of doing

930
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,900
what it takes to move forward.
Absolutely.

931
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:51,900
Well Brad.
I think it's time we wind down

932
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,300
for the day.
What do you think of this film

933
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,600
overall?
If you had to score it, what

934
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,900
kind of score would you give it?
The funny thing is, you say, if

935
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,900
you had to score it, but I do
feel like, I literally required

936
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:07,200
to do that, just for this
machinery. 10/10 10/10.

937
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,100
I love this movie so much.
Is it a perfect movie?

938
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:12,200
Yes.
Oh oh, okay.

939
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,500
I was making sure you're
consistent because last month

940
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,200
you got on me for saying there
are no perfect movies and I kind

941
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,300
of tense.
Maybe it's just because the

942
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:21,400
movies were watching.
We're not tens out of ten.

943
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,500
Yeah like Goodfellas so Brad
gives this one a 10.

944
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,500
I'd probably give it a 9.
That's not to say that.

945
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:31,100
I find like huge flaws in it.
I just think I think Billy

946
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:32,400
Wilder's made better movies than
this.

947
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,500
I'm really excited for you to
see the apartment when we watch

948
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,000
that.
When is like a top 10 all-time

949
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,100
for me, I think it holds up
really well, considering that

950
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,200
it's 60 years old, considering
the political climate we're in

951
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,300
now like this movie would not
get made today under any

952
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,400
circumstances and yet what makes
it hold up is that it doesn't

953
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800
just rely on the gag of a man in
a dress.

954
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,600
It's about so much more than
that.

955
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:59,200
And the dialogue is so witty.
It continues to be dialogue that

956
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,500
we teach film students today.
Yeah, I'd give it a nine.

957
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,300
Yeah and I think that's for me.
The reason I give it a 10 That's

958
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,400
because for me it works on every
level.

959
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,000
Sure the cinematography works
perfectly.

960
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,700
The script is brilliant.
Yeah absolutely witty and funny

961
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,500
and charming and it pulls you
through the movie the acting is

962
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,600
over-the-top wonderful Jack like
as much as I think Marilyn

963
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,700
Monroe's, my favorite
performance, I don't know if I

964
00:49:24,707 --> 00:49:29,700
can really say that because Jack
Lemmon was so witty and so quick

965
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,800
and and just sharp with his
jokes and with his delivery and

966
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,300
Tony.
Curtis was so Whether he was a

967
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:42,000
woman or a man or a millionaire
like he just was so smooth and

968
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,800
Suave and I every part of this
movie worked for me so let us

969
00:49:46,808 --> 00:49:48,700
know what you think of Some Like
It Hot.

970
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,000
Do you agree.
Do you disagree?

971
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,700
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972
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000
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973
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:00,000
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hundred five, nine two, three

974
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,500
that's two one.
Six eight hundred five nine two

975
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,100
three.
We will be back next week.

976
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,500
Weak rad.
I cannot wait to talk about this

977
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,100
one, our first art film.
We're going to be looking at

978
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:15,400
Terrence Malick's, 2011 film The
Tree of Life.

979
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,200
Make sure to tune in next week
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980
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podcast.
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981
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:21,200
see you next time.