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This is the.
Film and Whiskey Podcast

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And Brad, this week we are
watching a movie that can in

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fact be called a film and that
is 2001 Shrek.

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What of what of your most
beloved films?

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What, Robert?
It is definitely one of the

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films I have watched.
I mean, at this point you've

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seen it.
I would guess based on Bob movie

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standards, you've probably seen
this like five or six times by

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now.
Man, all the way through, Yeah.

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I mean, I probably watched it
three or four times as a kid.

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And then I watched it again
about a year ago to confirm

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whether or not I liked it.
And then I had to watch it this

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week.
So yeah, I'm probably up to like

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6.
Did you like it as a kid?

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I liked it fine.
And I was, I was like, you know,

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10 years old when this movie
came out.

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Brad so.
What?

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Once again, just like last week,
all I can see is like now 11

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year old Bob who has a year of
Grinch under his belt, sitting

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with his legs crossed going.
I liked that Fine.

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You know, no.
Like, I I enjoyed this

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significantly more than the
Grinch as a kid.

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And it was goofy and I was at
the right age for fart jokes.

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You know, like it.
It definitely played well to an

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audience of me back in the day.
Oh yeah.

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But it was also one of those
movies where we were still doing

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this thing with the animation
where you could just put a big

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personality in a movie and then
the quotes from the movie

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weren't really great quotes.
They were just like a result of

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that person having a good
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And so I remember, like all of
the donkey lines in this movie

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were like parlance at our
school.

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You know, like everybody would
quote and in the morning I'm

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making waffles.
That that easily is the most

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quoted line from this movie.
Yes.

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Which like, it's not a quote,
it's just, you know what I mean?

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It's just like a line in the
movie.

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It's a statement.
But, but there's something about

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Eddie Murphy saying that that
everyone in 2001 was like, Oh my

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gosh.
I want to make waffles in the

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morning too.
I too eat waffles.

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It's me.
That ass is so relatable.

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Brad, what is your relationship
to the film Shrek?

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Man, I mean, I I don't know if I
saw it, like right when it came

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out, but within a year or two, I
I know that I saw it.

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I I don't think I saw it in
theaters, but I remember

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watching it a few times as a
kid, really enjoying it, really

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enjoying like Smash Mouth,
right?

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Like All Star becomes a hit and
that band experiences way a way

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bigger window of relevance than
they ever would have had

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otherwise.
But yeah, I remember enjoying it

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and I remember looking back on
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watched it once or twice in
college with some friends, like

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hey, yeah, let's watch Strike.
That's a great film and I think

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Haley and I watched it together
maybe like 3-4 years ago and

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once again had a decent
experience with it.

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So this is on like the the
higher end of the Brad G bell

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curve in terms of number of
times watched.

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Yeah, probably like four or
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Wow.
That's.

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Yeah.
That's a lot, dude, for Brad it.

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Is it is.
I actually like know this movie

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a little bit.
So I don't want to get too into

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you know cultural analysis or
anything, but I think part of

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the reason that this movie is
look back on so fondly is this

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is basically the last big movie
to come out pre 911 Brad.

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Like this movie comes out in
April of 2001 and it is the

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second highest grossing film of
2001 behind Harry Potter and the

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Sorcerer's Stone which is
released in November of 2001.

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And like again the first Harry
Potter is is fairly bright and

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cheerful compared to the rest of
the Harry Potter series.

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But you know, like if we're
drawing a a nice clean line, the

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Harry Potter series is is the
first series for children that

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kind of comes out after 911.
And it makes sense, like it tips

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into like more dark, a little
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And Shrek is also very cynical,
but in a really silly way.

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And I think it's just like we
look back on Shrek and we think

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like, oh, those were the before
times, you know what I mean?

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Like it's it's so it feels so
much like the close of the 90s

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more than it feels like the the
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Sure.
Because as we continue on this

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season, Brad, looking at these
high grossing movies, I think

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very rapidly we're going to see
that sort of post 911 attitude

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kick into these movies.
I mean, I think that if you look

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at the 2000s as the birth place
of the IP driven movies, right,

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you can't talk about two movies
that did it more than Shrek and

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Harry Potter.
Like Harry Potter obviously 8

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movies from 7 books.
But Shrek was a little less like

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they didn't have original
content to draw from.

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They just kind of were like,
wow, a lot of people went to see

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the most recent one, let's make
another like.

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And so if anything, in my mind,
Shrek almost represents that.

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The greediness and the
sequelization, if you can call

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it that, of of cinema, almost
more deeply than Harry Potter.

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Oh yeah, at least until you get
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Because at that point it's like
we've run out of original

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content.
We just want to make more money.

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Yeah, let's go get Eddie
Redmayne.

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He'll he'll save this series And
Johnny and Johnny Depp.

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Famously unproblematic actor
Johnny Depp.

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All right, Brad, as we get into
talking about Shrek, I just want

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to say if you are new to the
podcast, welcome.

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In this season we are looking at
the highest grossing films from

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each year from 1988 to 2019.
We are square in the middle of

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our season and we've already
reviewed Harry Potter One, the

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highest grossing film of this
year.

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So we moved down the list to the
number two position with Shrek.

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This is a good time for me to
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week, Brad, because next week
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wild, pretty crazy for us.
It's 2002, and we could either

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talk about Star Wars Episode
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entries in the Star Wars
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My Big Fat Greek Wedding, a the
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2002.
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Brad, I've been talking for a
minute.

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I need to rest my voice.
It's very delicate and that

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means that it's time for our
first segment of the day, which

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we call Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call.
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen, apparently like 6

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times.
Now, Brad, you should be an

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expert at Shrek at this point.
I think that anybody could watch

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this movie once and be an
expert, cause the plot of this

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film, I think personally to its
credit, is a very simple clock.

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Very straightforward movie,
Brad.

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You have one minute on the clock
to spoil this movie.

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So folks, if you have not seen
the 2001 film Shrek, go ahead

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and hit pause here.
Check it out.

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Come back and listen to Brad.
Break it down for us, Brad.

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One minute, you just you just
said that as if there's anybody

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listening to this podcast who
hasn't seen Shrek.

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Or or that is so motivated to
see it now.

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Oh my.
God, you know, it's been, it's

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been 20 years, but I think now
it's finally doing it.

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We're going to boot up the old
VHS player and put on Shrek.

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You have one minute on the clock
and go.

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Shrek is a film about an ogre
who has his land occupied by the

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local Prince named Prince
Farquad by a bunch of fairy tale

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creatures.
In an effort to get the

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creatures kicked off his land,
he goes on an intrepid adventure

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with his trusty sidekick known
as Donkey to meet Lord Farquad.

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Lord Farquad sends him to save a
Princess that will make him a

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king.
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He falls in love with the
Princess, who has a little

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secret of her own that she turns
into an ogre.

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Every night there's a
misunderstanding and the

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Princess gets angry with the
ogre and at the end of the day

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they reunite, kick the crap out
of Lord Farquaad because he

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sucks and they live happily ever
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And boom goes the dynamite.
Boom.

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You know, Brad, this is a film
full of of very dirty jokes, but

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I had never put two and two
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turns into an ogre every night.
And I was like, yeah, she does

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baby a a lady in the streets,
but a freak in the bed.

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A freak in the sheets, Bob.
Well, yes, I I'm quoting.

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I'm quoting the Usher song.
Yeah.

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OK, let's dive into the movie.
I think we should start with

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performances because last week
we put off performances until

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like the 50 minute mark.
No, let's start with Mike Myers.

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OK, so it's it's very famous
that this movie had been in

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development for years and years
and Chris Farley had been

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attached to play Shrek, a very
non Scottish version of Shrek.

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There is still surviving
recordings of Farley reading

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some of the scenes and then he
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They bring in Mike Myers.
Mike Myers rerecords all the

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dialogue as Mike Myers and he is
at the height of his power in

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Hollywood.
Two really successful Austin

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Powers movies after two very
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He is perhaps the biggest comedy
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there with Ben Stiller at this
time, and he decided go ahead,

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sorry.
Can't forget the cult classic So

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I Married an axe murderer.
Back in what, 9293, he was still

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riding high off the success of
So I Married An Axe Murderer.

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That's that's right.
So he does this whole movie as

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an American and then decides,
you know what?

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I do this one accent really well
and I've done it in everything

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I've ever been in.
Maybe Shrek should be Scottish

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and he apparently had the juice
in Hollywood that they were just

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like, yeah, sure, Shrek Scottish
now.

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And so once again, they re
recorded the entire movie with

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Shrek now giving his famous
Scottish accent.

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Brad.
I mean it.

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It's kind of hard to talk about
this performance because A it is

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so iconic now.
Like it.

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It is one of the most famous
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there with probably like Woody.
Like, I don't even know who else

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would be in this echelon.
Shrek is just Shrek.

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He has a voice that is Scottish.
Don't question it.

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It's just an icon of animated
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I I was going to say Mickey
Mouse might have the only other

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like just as famous voice
because like what?

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Like, Woody is probably one of
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it's just it's just Tom Hanks
being Tom Hanks.

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Right.
Well, that's kind of what I'm

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saying with Mike Myers too.
It's like, you know, it's it's

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it's Mike Meyers doing his
Scottish thing, but because it

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it goes so well with this
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it from each other anymore.
No, no.

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I mean, at any point in anywhere
in this country, you could go

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donkey and like everybody in the
room will know who you're

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talking about.
I used to say there's a moment

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in this movie where he says hold
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And I used to say it all the
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such a great hold the phone.
Like it's such a great little

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thing and no one.
That's not one of the things

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people quote.
So everyone's like, what are you

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doing?
And I'm like, it's from Shrek,

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He goes.
Hold the phone.

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On man, Here's the thing man,
there are an incredible amount

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of great little one liners that
I noticed this time around that

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like for some reason hadn't
stuck out to me before.

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But man oh man, while this
script is not deep or very, I

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don't know, it's insightful,
well written, there's there's

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quite a few good one liners in
this.

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Absolutely.
And I think that's, you know,

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I'm going to hold off on, on
criticizing the movie.

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I do have massive critiques to
give on this movie, but it's

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big.
I do think we should get through

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the actors first because these
are definitely very committed

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performances.
And I think, I think Mike Myers

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is one that I don't really have
a lot of notes to give.

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Like it's just he created an
iconic character here.

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And I'm so used to seeing Shrek
now that it's like I I don't

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even know how to evaluate the
performance.

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It just is, Shrek.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah.
Oh, 100%.

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I mean, maybe someday we could
do this as a bonus episode, but

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like, if you had a Mount
Rushmore of like, most famous

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animated characters, Shrek is
probably on that, right?

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Yeah, I mean, I do wonder how
this movie not holds up with

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this generation, but like,
what's the impact right now?

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What's the?
Is it as widespread or is it?

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Has he been replaced with Gru
from Despicable Me is Steve

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Carell, You know what I mean?
I'm just saying like among small

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children, because those movies
are still coming out, there's

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not really Shrek's coming out
anymore.

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Sure.
I mean, you got, what was it,

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Puss in Boots a few years back.
So they're still doing it, man.

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Still milking that cow.
Milking that ogre.

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Yes, they are.
The the thing for me with Mike

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Myers as Shrek is that it feels
like Shrek the character is the

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home that Mike Myers Scottish
accent was looking for his whole

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life.
Does that make sense?

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Because like I I think about him
in So I married an axe murderer

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and he he, you know he just
plays normal.

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Mike Myers, No Scottish accent.
But there are a few scenes with

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his dad played by Mike Myers,
the the character's dad.

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And he's singing like Rod
Stewart If you think I'm sexy in

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a Scottish accent, right.
And it's like good and classic

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and funny and then you have him
being fat bastard in the Austin

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Powers movies.
Great like great use of the

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accent but it feels like they
dress him up in the kilt and

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it's it's the whole thing.
It just feels too on the nose.

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Whereas like Shrek the Ogre, it
just feels like ogres should

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come from Scotland.
And like, I don't think of, Hey

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man, I got Scottish in my back.
Listen, I want to say to all of

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our Scottish listeners I do not
endorse this opinion right now.

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Come on man, there's there's
mocks everywhere.

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Yourself.
Yeah, I was going to say what?

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What does it mean that ogres
should come from Scotland?

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It's because half of Scotland is
a swamp, bro.

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That makes sense.
OK.

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Tell me I'm wrong.
So it's nothing against the way

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that the people look or smell.
No.

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It's the it's the the terrain.
Yeah, it's it's the train.

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It's it's a giant swamp.
Beautiful.

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Incredible.
I want to go there.

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They make gods.
They.

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They make gods.
Liquid.

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OK.
But what I'm saying is the

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character of Shrek feels like
the place that I don't think of

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that accent as Mike Myers doing
a Scottish accent.

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I think of that as Shrek, You
know what I mean?

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Where it's like now.
Now I go back and I watch Toy

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Story and I think of that as
like, oh, that's like Tom Hanks

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being really excited the whole
time.

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And whereas, like, I watch this
and I'm like, oh, that's just

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who Shrek is.
Like, I I don't even know if

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there's an actor doing that.
Like, I think that Shrek just

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came to life one day in the
studio.

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Yeah, it's funny because, you
know, as a kid I didn't really

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have exposure to, so I married
an axe murderer and I think I

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had seen the second Austin
Powers with Fat Bastard.

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But you don't put two and two
together.

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That Mike Myers has been doing
this accent for a decade.

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And so it it kind of feels like
now I've seen the sausage get

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made, Shrek doesn't feel quite
as special.

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But then you watch the movie and
you're you're 100% right.

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It's it's the perfect place for
this voice.

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And I think it's evidenced by
the fact that he doesn't do the

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voice anywhere else after this.
Like he's not in other movies

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doing this accent anymore.
In fact, I think the only other

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Mike Myers movie we've done on
the podcast is when he was in

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Inglorious Basterds for, you
know, 45 seconds doing a very,

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you know, hoity toity British
accent.

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So he's he's like I'll, I'll
move to a different one of the

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British Isles here and just do
that accent instead.

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But I I think you're 100% right,
man.

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And this is kind of my segue
into talking about Eddie Murphy,

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who is just doing Eddie Murphy.
And he's not even just doing

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Eddie Murphy, but he's doing
exaggerated.

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Yes.
Like, like when you think about

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if you were going to go watch a
comedian do an Eddie Murphy

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impression, it's the most broad
strokes version of Eddie Murphy.

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And I think a good comparison
point is Robin Williams as

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Genie.
And we kind of talked about this

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a little bit.
Well, we kind of talked about

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this a little bit last week with
Jim Carrey, that he's just

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riffing and they're just kind of
letting the camera roll for a

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while.
But with Robin Williams, I never

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got the sense that he was being
any larger than Robin Williams

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was typically like he was just a
big personality.

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And it part of the joy of
watching Genie is that you're

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really just watching Robin
Williams be Robin Williams.

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And in this movie, it feels like
Eddie Murphy, who is one of the

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best comedians to ever do it.
Like, let let me be clear about

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this.
It feels like he's just trying

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so hard, man.
And I like it.

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It's a silly character for a 10
year old to watch and fall in

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love with.
But I got to be honest, man,

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donkey donkey's a little bit
greeting for me, dude, at this

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age.
Who's more grading for you, Jar

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Jar, Binks or Donkey?
There's no.

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Well, I think the real question
is what if Eddie Murphy had

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played Jar Jar Binks?
That would have been very bad.

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I can't imagine that turning out
good.

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No.
Here's the thing.

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I think that the reason Donkey
works as a character for me, and

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the performance works is because
of the few soft moments that he

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has with Shrek and Fiona.
Where as hard in the paint as

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Eddie Murphy goes with and in
the morning I'm making waffles.

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He goes just as hard into the
I'm trying to understand the

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people I'm with and he, like,
plays that role of therapist.

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I I think incredibly well as
he's trying to help these

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characters come to grips with
who they are and the the

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overturned expectations of what
an ogre should be like and what

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a Princess should look like
like.

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Donkey does an incredible job
and I I think this is part of

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the writing of the character as
well as the performance.

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But he does an incredible job of
letting them be who they are and

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challenging them in a way that
does not come across as like,

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demeaning or rude.
I'm I'm with you.

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I actually think Donkey is
probably the best written

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character in the movie, but
Eddie Murphy has also been for a

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long time a really underrated
dramatic actor because he

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doesn't take on straight dramas.
The closest that I think he got

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was when he was Oscar nominated
for the movie Dream Girls.

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But he made a movie a few years
ago called Dolomite Is My Name,

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which was hilarious.
But also like, I I feel like he

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should have won an Oscar for
this movie.

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And the moments that he gets
where he's not pouting but, you

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know, reflective, and even the
moments where he's scolding

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Shrek towards the end of the
movie about like, we've had it

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with yourself, Pity, man.
Like people love you and you

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need to get over yourself.
It's really well done.

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And when he drops the stick, I
think it's a really great

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character and a really great
performance.

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It's just that they front load
this thing with so much shtick

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that it, it seems like the
second-half of the movie for me

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almost is trying to dig itself
out of the hole that the first

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half created.
I don't know if you had the same

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experience and I know I'm
talking like outside of just the

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performances now, but I think
the performances get better in

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the second-half and I think the
movie overall does.

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But it definitely, you know, up
until Cameron Diaz shows up, I

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was not having a good time with
this movie.

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Brad.
Yeah, I mean the the film is

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very deeply split into two
halves and like the first half

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is establishing who Shrek is,
who Donkey is, and let's just be

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funny and silly and get
everybody hooked.

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And then the second-half of the
film is this drama as lightly as

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you can put it in this film.
It is a drama of coming to grips

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with who you are and once you've
done that, allowing yourself to

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grow.
And I like, I think that part's

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done incredibly well.
I think opposed to you, Bob.

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I actually think that the first
half of this film accomplishes

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what it's going for for me.
It's the dissonance between

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those two halves that causes me
to struggle a little bit with

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the movie.
But I I think that they succeed

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at the individual parts, but put
together I don't know if they

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become something greater than
the sum of their parts.

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Yeah, I agree with that.
Maybe we should finish talking

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about Cameron Diaz as a
character because, you know,

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like, I've never thought Cameron
Diaz was a great actress and I

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don't think that she's a
particularly great voice

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actress.
I mean, the voice works great.

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You know, it's it, it does what
it needs to do.

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But there's nothing particularly
memorable about the voice

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performance itself.
But I do think that the writing

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for this movie really clicks
into place when her character

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shows up.
Because for me, what didn't work

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about the first half was the
dynamic between Shrek and

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Donkey.
And Shrek obviously is very

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insecure, is pushing people
away.

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Donkey wants Community so badly
that he's annoyingly trying to

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beat that door down.
I did feel like the movie went

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overboard in just how mean Shrek
is.

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And also like, they they don't
have enough of a dynamic or a

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rapport yet to have those kind
of sweet moments or even

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charming moments.
And so they kind of stuff it

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full of fart jokes and dirty
humor and pop culture

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references.
And like, the first half is just

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super clunky to me.
And then Cameron Diaz shows up

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and she immediately slides into
this role of mediator between

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the two of them.
And the dynamic works perfectly.

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Like the way that Donkey bounces
ideas off of her.

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The way that she and Shrek
immediately have this sort of

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flirtatious, you know, rat a tat
with each other and then just

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watching that triangle of
friends.

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I like the second-half of the
movie I have very few complaints

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about, and I think a lot of it
has to do both with Cameron

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Diaz's performance and also how
much better the writing gets.

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And that's for me, the strength
of this movie.

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And I'll probably, I might speak
a little more on this at the end

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when we're getting scores, but I
think that the chemistry between

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the three main characters, even
John Lithgow, to a point, like I

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think that the four of them, it
feels like you have four really

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veteran actors who are just
comfortable in what they've been

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asked to do, giving just the
hell of a great performances.

446
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,400
And the the way they interact
with one another, the way that

447
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,440
they play off of each other,
man, I, I, I think that that's

448
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,200
the strongest part of this
movie.

449
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,600
Because you're right, man.
Once Cameron Diaz, you know

450
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,280
Princess Fiona, joins up with
Donkey and Shrek, the whole

451
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,560
movie just completely takes off.
Yeah.

452
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,360
I mean, it's really similar to
me to the Grinch last week,

453
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,760
which I think is a much worse
movie than this.

454
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,280
But once they finally commit to
actually getting into the plot,

455
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840
the movie starts going at a pace
that it just was dragging along

456
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,520
at.
And I think that happens here to

457
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,240
a lesser extent.
But I was in the theater, I say

458
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,080
theater.
They did a screening of this

459
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520
movie a couple weeks ago at a
local theater and I was like,

460
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,440
the timing is perfect.
I took my 7 year old with me.

461
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,040
It was his first time seeing
Shrek and he was kind of into

462
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,920
the first half.
But I think that, you know,

463
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,240
we'll talk about this in the
second-half.

464
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,320
It's like a really violent movie
in a way that kids movies aren't

465
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,520
violent anymore.
And I'm reminded of what we were

466
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,720
watching as children of the 90s.
But that wasn't really working

467
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,960
for him.
The fart humor was only kind of

468
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,480
tiding him over for so long and
all the kids in the theater were

469
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,920
super restless for that first 40
ish minutes.

470
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,560
And then once they get to that
Dragon's Lair and the movie

471
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,160
starts going, you could tell how
much better things were clicking

472
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040
like the kids settled in their
seats, everyone was glued to the

473
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,600
screen.
And I really do think that it

474
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,800
it's a result of Cameron Diaz's
character being so crucial to

475
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080
this plot going forward.
I.

476
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,520
I think also though that dragon
escape scene is really well

477
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,680
written.
Absolutely.

478
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,080
And like well animated and the
the music during that that

479
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,240
sequence is, I don't know man.
I one of the things that this

480
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,080
movie is like praised for but
also a little bit lampooned is

481
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,160
that it is like needle drop
heaven.

482
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Like there's just song after
song after song with pop culture

483
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,720
references.
But I I think what people forget

484
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,000
is that the dragon escape
sequence and like the main love

485
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,520
theme between Shrek and Fiona
are both, you know, scores

486
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,400
written for the movie.
They're really good, I agree.

487
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,840
They're so good.
Yeah, I have many issues with

488
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,640
all these needle drops, but the
actual score for the movie is

489
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,880
really, really well done.
Brad.

490
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,560
Before we get too far off of the
performances, let's talk about

491
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560
John Lithgow as Lord Farquaad
for a hot 2nd.

492
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,760
And the only real note I have is
I think that one of the

493
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
strengths of this movie is
character design.

494
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,400
You know, donkey is like a a
fairly well animated character.

495
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,040
He is remembered because Eddie
Murphy is donkey.

496
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,960
Like if you had put, you know, I
don't know, Harrison Ford is the

497
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,880
donkey.
I don't think he'd be quite as

498
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,640
memorable.
He's a much more grumpy, you

499
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,560
know what I mean?
Like.

500
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,480
That would have been a.
Great, great alternate version

501
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,040
of this movie, but I think that
Farquaad is actually a great

502
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,280
character design.
You know, he's a tiny little

503
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,920
guy.
He he just has the most

504
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,960
punchable face, and lithgow's
only in this movie for, I don't

505
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,160
know, 7 or 8 minutes.
Like he's just really not on

506
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,400
screen that much.
They keep cutting back to him,

507
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,280
but it's just these little
interstitials and I kept

508
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,440
thinking he's in the movie for
much longer than he is and he's

509
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,520
really not.
And I think it's a it's a huge

510
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,920
testament both to the voice
acting, but even more so to the

511
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,760
character design and having him
do some really memorable things

512
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,920
in the movie that we remember
this character more than the

513
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,960
screen time would suggest.
Yeah, I mean, anytime you can

514
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,880
have a character with complete
and utter zeal, torturing the

515
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,440
gingerbread man and having him
dumped into a glass of milk,

516
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000
like it's just such an
incredible performance.

517
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,920
And the way he like we talk
about people chewing up scenery

518
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000
in live action films.
I feel like John Lithgow is

519
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,200
chewing up scenery in this film.
Oh yeah, but with so much Glee.

520
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,040
Oh, it's so, yeah.
Glee is a great way of putting

521
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,360
it.
That like when he gets lifted

522
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,280
out of his horse and the the
fake legs stay there Oh.

523
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,160
It's such a good touch.
Oh, it's perfect.

524
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,720
And and it's a perfect little
moment that represents all of

525
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,800
what Lithgow does with that
character.

526
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,920
And I Man, what a what a great,
great performance.

527
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,080
I will say the gingerbread man,
dunking, waterboarding, you

528
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,440
know, amputation scene does not
play with children in 2024.

529
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Like, yeah, when when I watched
it as a kid, I think we had seen

530
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,120
enough of these, like fractured
fairy tale Lampoon's that it

531
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,560
this was the best version of
that.

532
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,800
But we weren't.
We were used to seeing people

533
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,960
kind of spoof fairy tales, sure.
And I think now, you know, as a

534
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,640
culture, we've gotten much more
cynical.

535
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280
But our children's media is much
more sincere.

536
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,600
And so I think the cynicism of
this movie and the spoof version

537
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,760
of like the, you know, the the
angle of this movie, they were

538
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,280
looking at that gingerbread man
with.

539
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,240
It was like watching children be
exposed to the the first scene

540
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,080
in Zero Dark 30.
Like they they did not like

541
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,000
watching this man get his legs
broken off because they thought

542
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,360
of him as a real character and
not just the gingerbread man.

543
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,720
I I mean I I will say like we
saw this movie as at earliest

544
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,480
you said April of 2001, so as at
earliest Bob and I would have

545
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,640
been 10 years old when this came
out.

546
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080
So like you know the the age
difference between 7:00 and

547
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,440
10:00 is not small
developmentally.

548
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,960
But I I often think that we
introduce kids to media way too

549
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,280
young as it is.
Like I don't think 7 is really

550
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,600
early for Shrek, but I'll bet
you there were some like 4 to 6

551
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,960
year olds in the theater with
you.

552
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,800
Oh yeah, and like this should
not be viewed by them.

553
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Like we we went to a Christmas
party to watch elf.

554
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160
My church was hosting a
Christmas elf party and my my 2

555
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,200
year old, fresh, freshly 3 year
old daughter was like scared of

556
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,200
the film, like legitimately
scared.

557
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,520
And it And I I was watching it,
trying to think of it from her

558
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,960
point of view and I'm like,
yeah, like, hey, she doesn't

559
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,200
really watch very many things.
And B, like this is really

560
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
fast-paced.
There's so much happening on

561
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,640
screen.
There's a raccoon like hissing

562
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,800
at Will Ferrell and jumping at
him and the cuts are really fast

563
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,960
and I'm like Oh yeah, you know,
this, this is my bad.

564
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Like a three-year old shouldn't
be watching this, but you know,

565
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,200
here we are.
I think there's a lot of

566
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,120
directions we can go from that
statement in particular and and

567
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,520
I do want to talk about the the
outdatedness of some of this,

568
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440
but I think more than that, we
can push that to the back half

569
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,280
really quickly.
Though I do want to hit on the

570
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,360
way that this movie does adult
humor, because I think there's

571
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,520
like there's levels to this
stuff, you know, I think.

572
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Pixar has all there are there
layers.

573
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920
To it, Bob.
Like an onion.

574
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Was that your Scottish accent?
No, it was just it was close,

575
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,680
silly.
OK, I thought.

576
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,760
I thought you were going with
the Shrek voice there for a

577
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,480
minute.
I I can try.

578
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,000
I could do the rest of the
episode in the Shrek.

579
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Voice if you want, please do.
Please do.

580
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,960
OK, Especially as we move into
the more analytical parts of the

581
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,680
episode.
What I really want is you to do

582
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,920
this in a Scottish accent.
Oh.

583
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,840
You've got it.
I do think that the Pixar movies

584
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,480
have always done a really good
job of balancing things for kids

585
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,480
with things for adults.
But the things for adults are

586
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,600
not turning at the camera and
essentially winking at hey, hey,

587
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,640
do you get do you get the double
entendre or or even just not

588
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,400
even a double entendre.
Just like a boner joke, multiple

589
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,120
multiple Dick jokes in this
movie that are not double

590
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
entendres, they are single
entendres.

591
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,480
And it is just it's just a
penis, you know?

592
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440
There's there's only one
entendre.

593
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360
And and I think that that's part
of why I've always felt like the

594
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
humor in this movie is is really
cheaply done.

595
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,200
I think the kids humor is really
cheaply done.

596
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
You know, the the fart jokes
galore.

597
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,040
I think that a lot of the pop
culture references are lowest

598
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,920
common denominator.
But this time around it was the

599
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,000
stuff that was put in there for
the parents that really bothered

600
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,960
me the most.
Not just because it's stuff that

601
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,720
kids shouldn't be exposed to,
'cause it really did like the

602
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,800
scene where Farquaad is in bed
and they linger on him for an

603
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,200
extra 10 seconds just to
demonstrate that he has a boner.

604
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,040
It's like it went over my kids
head.

605
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,080
But even then you could kind of
tell like he was, he was, like,

606
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,159
curious as to why that went on
longer than it needed to.

607
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Like he was.
They're all getting restless in

608
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,199
their seats as this stuff
happens.

609
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,199
And I think that they tried so
hard to shoehorn in some of

610
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,520
these jokes that it messes with
the rhythm of the movie.

611
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920
And I think that's kind of my
biggest issue with it.

612
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Brad is like, it's one thing to
have mile a minute jokes.

613
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,920
This movie sometimes comes to a
halt to make sure that it it

614
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,280
makes the joke happen.
And because of that, I think the

615
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600
hit rate on these jokes, like
they just don't land as

616
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,239
frequently as they need to,
especially in that first half.

617
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960
So for you it feels kind of like
like an SNL skit where they

618
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,280
pause a little bit too long
waiting for laughter and and

619
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,560
they get like about half as much
as they expected.

620
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Yes.
Or like they wrote it thinking

621
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,600
this is going to be the one that
everyone you know thinks is a

622
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,080
real knee slapper and then it
doesn't get like, but they they

623
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,040
wrote themselves into a corner a
little bit.

624
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,680
The purpose of whole scenes in
this movie sometimes is this guy

625
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080
has a boner.
But when your audience is too

626
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,880
young to know what that means
and the parents aren't going to

627
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,560
laugh at it out of fear of
making their kids go, what?

628
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
What's going on?
Why are you laughing and having

629
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920
an awkward conversation?
Then like what's the purpose of

630
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,880
this in this movie?
Bob, I I think you need to dive

631
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640
deep on what's the purpose of
any any boner joke.

632
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,000
What is the purpose of comedy?
Why do we even?

633
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Want to hear things?
I don't know.

634
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,080
Are you with me though?
Like, did the adult stuff in

635
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,080
this movie work for you, or does
it seem out of place?

636
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Yeah, I I don't think it
bothered me nearly as much, but

637
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
I also didn't watch it with my
child, so.

638
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,040
Like in a theatre full of small
children, mind you too, yeah.

639
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
Like that.
Like, you know, we always talk

640
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,200
about here on the Film Whiskey
podcast, like the the way in

641
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,680
which you watch a film is
important, right?

642
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,920
And that's not just the screen
that you're watching it on.

643
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,400
It's also who you're watching it
with.

644
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080
And so I what I'm basically
doing here is throwing Bob under

645
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,120
the bus for going to watch this
with a bunch of children.

646
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,520
Yeah.
Crucial point to make though is

647
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,360
I also had my child with me.
I did not go watch this movie.

648
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Like your Coco?
Like my Coco, I learned my

649
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,360
lesson.
Brad Bob's crying at the end of

650
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,080
Shrek with just thousands of
children around him.

651
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,080
So many boner jokes.
All right, man, let's drink some

652
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,000
whiskey.
What do you say?

653
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Let's let's whirl away, Bob.
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654
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,840
checking out Calumet Farms
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655
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:02,480
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Now, this is some mouthful to

656
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,280
say, Brad.
And you know, there's just too

657
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,280
many words in the name of these
whiskeys lately.

658
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Yeah, there.
There really is.

659
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Calumet Farms needs to lower the
the naming quotient that they

660
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,800
have.
As we've been talking about the

661
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,720
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program identifies I think no

662
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something like that to choose

663
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They say that they choose it

664
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
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What is it?

665
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,120
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666
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,000
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So here they have sourced 15

667
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It's bottled at 105 proof.

668
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669
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,840
This is distilled by the Three
Springs, Sorry, this is made by

670
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,280
Barton I believe and and bottled
by the Three Springs Bottling

671
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Company in Bowling Green, KY
Brad.

672
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,760
This went into the barrel in
March of 2006.

673
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,800
We were in high school.
Yeah, I just say we should start

674
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,600
giving like do you remember the
like in your yearbook at the end

675
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,440
they would have that little
thing with like things that

676
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,680
happened in 2010.
We we should do that for the

677
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,520
years of these whiskeys going
in.

678
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,880
I'm such a movie nerd because
every time I see this, I'm like,

679
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,560
what movie was coming out when
this went into the like 2006 was

680
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,920
The Departed, Children of Men?
What else came out that year?

681
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Little Miss Sunshine?
It was a good year for movies

682
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,680
and, apparently, whiskey.
Yeah.

683
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Yeah, so.
Those are some solid offerings.

684
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,240
Brad, once again, this is a very
ultra rare whiskey because most

685
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,440
of it has been snapped up at
this point.

686
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,360
You have to buy it on the
secondary market.

687
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Let's dive in because I want to
actually give some tasting notes

688
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040
here.
You have tried it, I have not,

689
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,560
so I'll let you take the lead.
Brad.

690
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,760
Yeah, Bob on the nose here.
I had some.

691
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Really.
Just really, as as opposed to

692
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,960
the last few weeks, really nice,
pleasant, rich, deep notes that

693
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,200
I would hope for out of a well
aged whiskey.

694
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
I got orange zest.
There were some cheesecake

695
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,560
notes, some dark chocolate.
It was nice and caramely and the

696
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,880
oak came through, but just
enough to like underlay

697
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,600
everything else that was going
on.

698
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,680
I big fan.
I I really liked the nose here.

699
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,000
I gave it an 8 1/2 out of 10.
Yeah, I don't quite know how to

700
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,600
put this into words, but this
has the sort of oak scent that

701
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,840
it comes across more as a spice
note.

702
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,480
It's almost like if you could
add oak spice to something.

703
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,360
Like it's it's much dustier than
it is that toasted barrel

704
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,400
sourness we get sometimes.
And it's it's a nice little like

705
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,880
cherry on top of the rest of
this nose.

706
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,680
I'm with you that there's a ton
of fruit here.

707
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,200
When I first cracked open our
sample bottle, I got pear in the

708
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,040
glass.
I'm with you on orange zest.

709
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,800
It just smells like a really
nice sawdusty kind of, you know

710
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,680
inside of a barn whiskey.
I really, really like this, man.

711
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,400
I'm gonna give it an 8 out of 10
on the nose.

712
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,480
Yeah, and as I as I got into the
palate, I came down a little bit

713
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,080
from where I was at on the nose.
But it still has some great

714
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,600
flavors going on.
My my wife has been really into

715
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,280
making sourdough bread lately,
and as I drank this I was like,

716
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,040
oh, this just really deeply
reminds me of like toasted

717
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,440
sourdough with like with salted
butter on it.

718
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,400
The the char of the oak kind of
comes through, the caramel is

719
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,520
there.
It almost turns peanutty a

720
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,560
little bit and I I think for me
the fruit started to come

721
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,840
through more on my second and
third sip where I I got kind of

722
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:57,000
a a darker prune dark cherry
like a a really nice bit of

723
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,720
complexity to it came down a
little bit from the nose for me

724
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,360
though.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 here on the

725
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,760
taste.
Brad, I'm I'm in lockstep with

726
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,160
you today.
I think your notes on this are

727
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,920
pretty fantastic.
If I had to compare this to

728
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720
something, it reminds me a lot
of drinking a barrel proof

729
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,760
wheat, not wheat whiskey but
weeded bourbon or even like a

730
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,880
four grain bourbon.
We had a bourbon at the Kentucky

731
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Bourbon Festival last year from
Lux Row that was a four grain

732
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,760
that I really, really loved and
this reminds me of that.

733
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,520
There's it's got those cherry
notes that we really like in

734
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,040
weeded whiskey, but it carries
that sort of dustiness and

735
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,640
softness with it as well in that
weeded bourbons typically have.

736
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,400
Now, again, there's no wheat in
this mash bill, but it's kind of

737
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,160
mimicking that on the pallet for
me.

738
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,280
I'm with you that right on the
tip of my tongue.

739
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,760
There's an almost sour note
there and it does carry through,

740
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,000
but you get those really nice
dusty fruity notes on top of it.

741
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,360
I like this a lot.
This is significantly better

742
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,880
than the last two we've had from
Calumet.

743
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,840
Brad, I'm gonna give this a I'll
give it an 8 again.

744
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:09,440
Yeah, I I think that the finish
it, it kind of balances out for

745
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,800
me on the finish.
I'll give it an 8 out of 10

746
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,240
here.
I think a nice bit of like fresh

747
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,760
leather comes through, it gets a
little spicier.

748
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,560
There's some nutmeg and and
clove kind of flavors.

749
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,720
The oakiness definitely presents
itself here most prominently,

750
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,280
but not in a way that detracts
from the flavor.

751
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,920
So I'll I'll give it an 8 out of
10 on the finish, Bob.

752
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,440
Yeah, I think I will too.
Like, I think my score is

753
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,000
probably going to come out even
higher than I wanted to hear.

754
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,520
But at the end of the day, if
it's good, it's good.

755
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,920
And I think this is a right
around a 7 1/2 to an 8 out of 10

756
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,400
on the finish.
I'm just going to stick it an 8

757
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,280
and I think I'll give it an 8.5
on balance.

758
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000
I don't think there's anything
here that seems out of the

759
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,160
ordinary, Brad, based on what I
got on the nose.

760
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,880
The pallet kind of logically
follows from all those notes and

761
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000
so does the finish.
This is a really well balanced

762
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,840
whiskey and is it doing anything
innovative or knocking my socks

763
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,120
off?
No, but especially at 15 years

764
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,640
old and at only 105 proof, this
drinks like a like a cast

765
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,920
strength whiskey and I think
it's got a ton of character and

766
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,920
a ton of body to it.
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2 on

767
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,960
on balance.
I I think what you said about

768
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,400
it.
It doesn't do anything that

769
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,080
knocks your socks off, but it's
just a daggone good whiskey.

770
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,960
All around is where I'm going to
land for my value score.

771
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080
I I don't know if I get my
balance score I I give it an 8

772
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,200
out of 10.
I think it's got really nice

773
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,640
complexity and balance.
But when I get to value is where

774
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,400
I I do kind of struggle because
at $120.00 plus, right at this

775
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,400
point, I don't know, 150, a
hundred and 8200.

776
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,040
You could probably get it
anywhere in those price points

777
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,600
and I wouldn't be surprised, but
we'll just call it $120.00.

778
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,880
Plus I want this to knock my
socks off in some sort of way.

779
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,840
I'm not going to give it a bad
score, but I'm just going to

780
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,440
stick it a six out of 10 here.
Yeah, I I mean, I can't.

781
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,320
I it's 15 years old, I get that.
But like Knob Creek is making

782
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,840
whiskey at this price point and
people pay $130.00 for it,

783
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,760
you're not paying $130.00 for
this.

784
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,240
It's going to be 210 or more.
I think that the best I can give

785
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,000
this is like a 5 out of 10 on
value.

786
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,360
And that's assuming that you
really like product like this

787
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,840
and that you know what you're
getting into.

788
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,040
So yeah, I'm just going to stick
at a 5 out of 10, which brings

789
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,000
my final score to a really
respectable 37.5 out of 50.

790
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,280
How about you, Brad?
Bob, I'm a half point above you,

791
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
38 out of 50.
All right, that takes us to a

792
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,520
37.75 or a 70.
Is that a 75?

793
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,440
No. 75.5 point.
Five.

794
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Got it.
Which takes us to a 75.5 out of

795
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,320
100.
So this is below the 80 mark

796
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,200
where we typically say something
is great, but it's it's above

797
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,200
the 35 mark, Brad.
Barely.

798
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,760
I think this is a worthwhile
whiskey.

799
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,160
If you know someone that has a
bottle of this that's willing to

800
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,240
pour it for you, you're going to
really, really enjoy this

801
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,520
whiskey.
Now, if you go to a bar pour,

802
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,720
this is probably going to run
you at least $20, probably more

803
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,400
than that.
I still think that in a vacuum,

804
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,560
this is probably worth a $20
pour.

805
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,600
I don't recommend buying a
bottle of it.

806
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
I just can't justify that price.
Hardly ever Brad.

807
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Yeah, I I think I'm in the same
place as you Bob.

808
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Maybe if you had one friend to
go in on it with and you know

809
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,360
get 375 each it might be worth
spending half that on a 375.

810
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,600
But yeah, I I would say go if
you can find this at A at a well

811
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,880
stocked whiskey bar, go try it.
It it's a very interesting pour

812
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,240
that has good solid bourbon
experience type flavours.

813
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,520
But like you said, I I don't
know if there's enough

814
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,560
uniqueness here to make it stand
out in like, luxury bourbon.

815
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,360
All right, man, that's Whirl
Away.

816
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,840
That's Calumet.
I think that's the the 3rd and

817
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,840
final Calumet for the season.
An interesting brand experience,

818
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Brad.
I'd never really tried any

819
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,160
Calumet before.
I'm glad I have.

820
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,400
I'm glad we didn't have to pay
for them, if I'm being honest.

821
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,920
With you, I am too.
Yeah, I I am too.

822
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Thank you for biting that bullet
for us, Wes.

823
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,800
Great friend of show.
It was really interesting doing

824
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Calumet three weeks in a row.
I we haven't often sat in a

825
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,120
luxury brand for that long.
Like even when we had, I think

826
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,440
it was the end of season 2 or at
the end of season three, we had

827
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,600
a bunch of like B, TAC level
Buffalo Trace products in a row

828
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,720
and even that was like different
brands from within their

829
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,720
portfolio.
I think this might be the

830
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,440
longest we've ever sat in one
luxury brand.

831
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440
Yeah, it's the opposite of the
springtime of swill.

832
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,400
I don't know what you call this,
but something alliterative

833
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,480
springtime of super expensive
whiskey.

834
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,360
I I think that's exactly what it
was, Bob.

835
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,880
It is.
All right, man.

836
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,960
What do you say we get back into
talking about Shrek?

837
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

838
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,440
That was Calumet Farm Whirlaway,
a whiskey that somewhat redeemed

839
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,840
the brand for us, Bob.
Somewhat, yeah.

840
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,000
It was a good whiskey.
If they had made three

841
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,720
consecutive whiskeys like that,
I would be singing its praises.

842
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,320
Yeah, I I think so too.
Like it if if they had had three

843
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,920
whiskeys in a row that are like
a six to five out of 10 value,

844
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,480
but like solid good juice, I I
would have been much, much

845
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,160
higher singing their praises.
It's just really hard when

846
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,880
you're doing well aged bourbon.
It can get too oaky really,

847
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
really quick.
So fast.

848
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:11,040
Yeah, so fast in 15 years.
All right, Brad, it's time for

849
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,360
me to try to redeem myself
because I am on a losing streak

850
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,760
when it comes to our next game,
which we call 2 facts and a

851
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,920
falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

852
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,440
your ball to all right and what
is wrong?

853
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,760
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and A Falsehood is the part of

854
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,440
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

855
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,720
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

856
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,800
Brad, I think I'm sitting at
9:00 and 5:00 on the season

857
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,040
right now.
Does that sound correct?

858
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,000
It does sound correct to me,
Bob.

859
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
OK, well maybe I should have
tried to get away with saying 10

860
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,400
and five, but.
I think.

861
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,040
I think it was actually 5:00 and
9:00.

862
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,720
Yeah, that's right, my.
Brain.

863
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,680
All right.
You've got me at 9:00 and 5:00,

864
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,240
and we're talking about a movie
that I know only a little bit

865
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,640
about the production of, and
I've pretty much said everything

866
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,680
that I know already.
So I am not optimistic about

867
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,520
this week, but Brad hit me with
your two facts and a falsehood.

868
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,160
Fact number one, Shrek was the
7th movie animated by DreamWorks

869
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,840
Animation Studios and was
comprised of nearly an entirely

870
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,800
new team of animators.
Due to the dwindling box office

871
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,600
revenue of the previous six
films, Fact #2, the principal

872
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,600
actors in this movie never
actually met each other.

873
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,000
They all read their parts
separately, with a reader

874
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
feeding them lines.
John Lithgow later admitted that

875
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,480
while he enjoyed playing Lord
Farquad, he was a little

876
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
disappointed that he never
actually worked directly with

877
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,280
Mike Myers, Cameron Diaz or
Eddie Murphy.

878
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,320
Fact #3.
The song All Star by Smash Mouth

879
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,640
heard in the opening credits was
only a placeholder song for test

880
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,560
screenings until a new song
could be found.

881
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,880
But the test audience loved it
so much that the producers kept

882
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
it in.
After they decided to keep it

883
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,640
in, they decided that they would
also let the band perform the

884
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,840
final song of the movie.
I'm a believer.

885
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,920
Man, three good facts.
Well, two good facts and one

886
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:10,880
good falsehood.
Brad.

887
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Oh, thanks man.
OK, number one sticks out to me

888
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,520
pretty immediately, just because
I didn't realize that DreamWorks

889
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:26,240
had done 7 movies to this point.
I know that they had definitely

890
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,800
had dwindling returns because
around this time is when they

891
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
did both the Prince of Egypt and
then not the sequel to The

892
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,200
Prince of Egypt.
But they did a movie about

893
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,040
Joseph as well that just really
did not do well.

894
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,200
And I know that Shrek had been
delayed for so long because it

895
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,800
was all computer animated, it
was 3D modeling.

896
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,200
So this was like a big deal for
them and it was a completely new

897
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,360
thing they were moving into.
I just don't know if it was 7

898
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,480
movies in and I don't trust you
that you wouldn't change one

899
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,920
tiny detail like that #3 sounds
interesting.

900
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,600
I want to say 3 is true just
because, like I I feel like I

901
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,280
remember hearing somewhere that
All Star was not supposed to be

902
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,600
in the movie, but that it just
worked really well.

903
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,680
And #2 I just don't know, like,
I would like to think that they

904
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,120
were in the the studio together
at some point, But I mean, this

905
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,480
was this was a different time.
Who knows?

906
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,560
Maybe they had busy schedules.
A different era, A different

907
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:31,120
era.
I mean, you could.

908
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,160
You could work through the films
before it.

909
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,200
I don't know that I know them
all off the top of my head like.

910
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Yeah.
I I I want what I want to do is

911
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,720
ask you if you would be so petty
as to just change it from like,

912
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,400
oh this was only the 5th movie
to this was the 7th movie, but

913
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,720
you have already proven yourself
to be a person that does that

914
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,600
sort of thing before so.
I would IA have not proven that

915
00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:01,480
because I do not do that, and B
no, I would not just take that

916
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,200
fact and change it from 6th to
7th or 8th to 7th and then just

917
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,600
call it a day.
I wouldn't do that.

918
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,400
OK, well then in that case I
will come off of #1 and I will

919
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,480
say #2 is the falsehood.
I don't feel confident, but

920
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,040
that's my final answer.
Bob, you have talked yourself

921
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,520
out of the correct answer.
Oh.

922
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:33,360
No, really.
Yeah, you have the the you're

923
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,520
you're gonna bitch.
The reality is it was not the

924
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,240
7th movie, but there.
There's nothing about it being

925
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,920
an entirely new team of
animators, and he like the

926
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,640
entire fact was false, including
the fact that it was not their

927
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,160
7th movie.
I am got a bitch.

928
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,720
You're right.
I'm so mad at you right now.

929
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:03,400
The you did such a good job at
at subtly leading me astray.

930
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,880
You.
Bastard.

931
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,680
The only part of that fact that
was true was that Shrek was

932
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,320
animated by DreamWorks.
You are the Lord Farquad of this

933
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,960
podcast, right down to the
height differential.

934
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,320
Yes, you are the Shrek of this
podcast.

935
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,800
Right down to the smell.
The the ornery ogre.

936
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,440
I have layers man.
From Scotland all.

937
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,520
Right.
I'm at 9:00 and 6:00 on the

938
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,360
season.
Brad continues to piss me off

939
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,240
and that is just par for the
course here on film and whiskey.

940
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920
Brad, let's get back into
talking about the movie a little

941
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,560
bit.
So if you remember, I want to

942
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,920
say, I don't know, three seasons
ago we started talking about

943
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,600
Shrek every now and then.
This is a movie that's come up

944
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,800
surprisingly frequently on the
Film and Whiskey podcast and.

945
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Not, not by me to to to make
note I do not bring this movie

946
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:58,200
up.
Yeah.

947
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,960
And Brad, I I think that what I
have noted to you is that this

948
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,200
movie took on a very different
life after its release and after

949
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,400
its sequels even.
It was a really successful

950
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,400
franchise, and I think the
second one was maybe the highest

951
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,320
grossing movie of like 2004 or
right up there.

952
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,920
It made even more money than
this one did.

953
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,160
But somewhere around the early
20 tens, Shrek became like an

954
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,120
icon of meme culture in ways
that weren't related to Shrek at

955
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,960
all.
Kind of like how your weird

956
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,320
boomer Ant uses pictures of
minions to talk about things

957
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,120
that aren't related to
Despicable Me.

958
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Shrek did the same thing, but it
it ended up taking on like a

959
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,400
really weird dark side quest.
I don't want to talk about that

960
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,880
stuff at all, but what I was
trying to tell you, Brad was

961
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,320
like, Shrek has become so
ingrained in Internet culture

962
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,880
that I think people actually
retroactively read their

963
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,320
familiarity with Shrek back onto
the movie.

964
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,240
And people act like Shrek.
The movie is a timeless classic

965
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,560
on par with Casablanca or
something.

966
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,400
And I I mean it is.
It is.

967
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Of course I.
Mean compared to Casablanca.

968
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Who is Humphrey Bogart compared
to Shrek?

969
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
But my thing has always been, I
don't think Shrek is a bad

970
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,560
movie.
I just think that we've over

971
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,680
inflated it.
And we've over inflated it, not

972
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,360
because of the movie itself, but
because we've seen a lot of

973
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,480
weird memes with Shrek in them
that people just got familiar

974
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,640
with seeing him.
And so now it's considered like

975
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,040
this iconic movie.
You told me that I was crazy and

976
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,480
that that wasn't a thing.
And I found real evidence, Brad,

977
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,440
that that the Internet took
Shrek to weird places and it has

978
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,400
taken on a life of its own.
And I even forced you to read

979
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,840
those articles, Brad.
And so I I'm not going to ask

980
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,280
you for a public apology, but I
am not, in fact crazy on this

981
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,560
one point.
I don't think you are, Bob,

982
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,480
based on what I read, unless
you, like, fictionally wrote and

983
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,640
created these websites.
I had no idea that Shrek was

984
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:09,720
such a huge Internet subculture.
And I will say this, there's no

985
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,440
need to look it up.
It's the examples of why the

986
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,200
Internet should be abolished.
Yeah, I don't want to go down

987
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,920
those roads, but I do think that
it's a here, I don't know,

988
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Here's.
Something for Go ahead.

989
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:25,880
Here's something for me though,
Bob.

990
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Like one thing that I have
learned in doing, you know, 250

991
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:37,200
plus movies on this podcast is
that IMDb scores for movies like

992
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:44,200
about 70 to 80% of the time is
actually a a pretty good metric

993
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,240
of where a movie is sitting.
And in my opinion, I think a lot

994
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,800
of times the general public kind
of nails it where movies should

995
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,560
sit.
This movie has a 7.9 Bob.

996
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,760
Come on, dude.
Here's here's the thing I I feel

997
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,040
like there's a lot of times
where we will like, love, or

998
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,200
hate a movie, and usually IMDb
reflects that on a certain

999
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,880
level.
And anything that's like at or

1000
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,840
above 7.67 point 7 usually is a
pretty decent movie, and

1001
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,080
anything below that usually
starts falling off on some very

1002
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,960
obvious ways.
I think IMDb kind of nailed this

1003
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,960
one.
Yeah, and I think this is just

1004
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,440
where I kind of split off from
the public.

1005
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,640
I actually enjoyed the hell out
of the second-half of this

1006
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,200
movie.
I just think that the first

1007
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,880
half, and I'm I'm going to sound
like a broken record because of

1008
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,480
the Grinch thing last week, but
even more so this week.

1009
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,400
The first half of this movie is
truly a relic of its time.

1010
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,360
The The style of humor, the
endless pop culture references.

1011
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,040
The weird You don't like the
matrix.

1012
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,640
That was going to say that scene
was really funny in the theater

1013
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,400
because it was building.
You could tell they built that

1014
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,320
entire sequence around wouldn't
it be funny if we did The Matrix

1015
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,280
in a kids movie and at the time
it was like, oh shit, they did

1016
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,880
The Matrix.
Like, like I can see people

1017
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,400
hopping up and down like getting
really hype about this, that

1018
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,400
this has no cultural effect in
the twenty 20s.

1019
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,360
Like, people did not know in my
theater what this was even a

1020
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,520
reference to and it then it just
becomes a weirdly violent scene

1021
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,080
of Fiona, like punching a bunch
of people.

1022
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,800
And again, it it gets back to
kids.

1023
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,200
Movies just aren't this violent
anymore and I'm not even saying

1024
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,160
I disagree with it.
Like, I love seeing a good ass

1025
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,520
kicking on screen.
It's great.

1026
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,120
It just doesn't play, and I
think like there are just dated

1027
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:45,800
aspects of this movie.
For comparison's sake, in 2001,

1028
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,400
Pixar comes out with Monsters,
Inc, a movie that features

1029
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,880
similarly similarly large
personalities in Billy Crystal

1030
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,800
and John Goodman giving
incredible voice performances.

1031
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Monsters Inc loses the Oscar for
Best Animated Feature to Shrek.

1032
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,600
Shrek wins first ever.
And I got to say man, that was

1033
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,640
the wrong choice.
Monsters Inc is a better movie

1034
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,720
than this and and I think part
of it is the timelessness of

1035
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,960
Monsters Inc compared to Shrek.
And that's not even to say

1036
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,000
Monsters Inc is completely
lacking in like funny pop

1037
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,640
culture references or puns or
things like that.

1038
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,720
This one just goes so heavy into
like it has Smash Mouth in it.

1039
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,680
Like, come on, it is.
Nothing is more 2001 than Shrek

1040
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,800
wiping his ass with the pages of
a fairy tale, flushing the

1041
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,200
toilet, and then immediately
launching into Smash Mouth's All

1042
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,360
Star.
Like, what?

1043
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,400
What did I just watch?
It's.

1044
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,640
Incredible.
It is.

1045
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,600
It is peak cinema.
Well, the the the thing that

1046
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,240
sticks out for me about Shrek is
that their goal of the whole

1047
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,000
movie is to upset expectations,
right?

1048
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,920
And for the first half of the
film, it's very obvious that

1049
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:14,600
they are just trying to thumb
their nose at more corporate

1050
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:20,000
feeling expectations of like
Disney and what a animated fairy

1051
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,880
tale movie should be like.
And the second-half of the film,

1052
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,760
they twist that and they just
use it to upset expectations of

1053
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,640
what an ogre should be like and
what a Princess should be like

1054
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,880
within a fairy tale.
And I think that when they move

1055
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,640
into that level of analysis, it
works perfectly.

1056
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,040
And I think that when you when
you move into the first half of

1057
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,360
the film and allow that level of
analysis against Disney and you

1058
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,720
know all of these other things
like it, it works OK.

1059
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,640
And some of the jokes are funny.
And I think that the the thing

1060
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,480
that keeps carrying you through
that is the performances of

1061
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,440
Myers and and and and Eddie
Murphy.

1062
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,400
And I know that it didn't work
for you at the start, but for

1063
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,240
me, the relationship between the
two of them kept me interested

1064
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,960
through all of the
ridiculousness of the cultural

1065
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,320
references that they're making.
I hear you.

1066
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,520
I think that another way to look
at that exact thing though is

1067
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,200
the second-half of the movie
works in a way that completely

1068
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,040
undermines the first half of the
movie.

1069
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
And and it again, I'm getting
back into what we talked about

1070
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,360
with the Grinch last week, but
they want to make a very

1071
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,080
sentimental point at the end of
the movie that is in such

1072
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,960
conflict with the world they've
built in the first half of the

1073
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,920
movie.
You know, Brad, I was reading a

1074
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,840
20th anniversary retrospective
that somebody wrote who really

1075
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,640
did not like this movie.
And I'm not quite there on all

1076
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,280
the points he made.
But he talked about how Shrek

1077
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,400
was the first of a long line of
animated movies after this that

1078
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,720
would try to blend cynicism and
sentimentality.

1079
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,920
And I think that one of the
things that's really frustrated

1080
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,240
me about animated movies, in
particular the bad ones of the

1081
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,320
last 20 years, is they're
they're so fast-paced, but

1082
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,160
they're all really mean at
heart.

1083
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,880
They they're they have mean
humor.

1084
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,560
And what they what happens in
all these movies, whether it's

1085
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,400
the, you know, the worst ones of
the Despicable Me movies or

1086
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,000
freaking the boss baby, all
these movies have very mean

1087
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,120
humor and a cynical outlook on
the world.

1088
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,960
And then in about the 2/3 mark
of the movie, it's like the

1089
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,320
people writing these movies
realized the movies and the

1090
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,160
stories that we're making fun
of.

1091
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,160
And in Shrek's case, the fairy
tales that we're making fun of

1092
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,040
are actually functionally
necessary for me to tell my own

1093
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,160
story.
Like, fairy tales work for a

1094
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,840
reason.
They're well told stories.

1095
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,240
Like we we tell stories a
certain way and we follow

1096
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,480
certain formats, and there's a
hero's journey because of the

1097
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,280
fact that it works.
And so they're making fun of how

1098
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,520
ridiculous and sentimental these
things are.

1099
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,120
But then at a certain point,
they have to go there

1100
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,000
themselves.
And so it's like it it seems

1101
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,920
like they're trying to have
their cake and eat it too.

1102
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,800
They want to make fun of the
Disney movies for being overly

1103
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,920
cheesy and sentimental.
And then at the end of this

1104
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,560
movie, they're like, well, we
kind of have to do that exact

1105
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,160
same thing.
And I think for me, the

1106
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,880
second-half of the movie, Taken
by itself, works really well

1107
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,360
because it actually tries to be
sincere and it's not tongue in

1108
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,960
cheek and it's not flipping off
its own influences.

1109
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,480
Where the first half of the
movie is like, we're so cool,

1110
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,600
like we're too cool for school
here, we can, we can make fun of

1111
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,440
all these other things that are
actually influences on us that

1112
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,160
we're gonna ape from in the
second-half of the movie.

1113
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,280
And so that disconnect for me is
what keeps us moving from being

1114
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,040
really successful.
And and I think that there's

1115
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,400
another way of looking at it
where you would say the first

1116
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,080
half of the movie isn't the
point.

1117
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,360
The redemption of the first half
is the point.

1118
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,160
And I think that the second-half
of the film kind of redeems

1119
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,080
those things in their eyes.
And the reason I say that is

1120
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,760
because for Shrek, those things
are redeemed like through the

1121
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,840
point of view of the main
character.

1122
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,560
We start off by wanting to
reject the fairy tales that are

1123
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,840
squatting on our land.
We want to get rid of them.

1124
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,400
And by the end of the film,
it's, oh, I've embraced

1125
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,280
everything that those fairy
tales represent.

1126
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,120
That's a good point.
Yeah, I guess I never thought of

1127
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,760
it that way.
And I I think maybe for me, they

1128
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:45,160
just didn't under score enough
that Shrek Shrek's whole world

1129
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,160
view was wrong.
Like, we get we get the idea

1130
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,720
that emotionally he has work to
do, 'cause he pushes people

1131
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,800
away.
But I don't know for me if they

1132
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,120
did a good enough job of, like,
actually these these fairy tales

1133
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,760
have things to teach us too.
It it really just seems like

1134
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,960
they wrapped up Shrek's story
and now we're all big one big

1135
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,880
happy family.
But I I see how that could work

1136
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,960
for you.
It's actually a really great

1137
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,880
point, Brad.
Aw, thanks, Bob.

1138
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,400
And while we're riding high on
on, you know, complimenting you,

1139
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,160
I think it's time for us to get
into our last segment of the

1140
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,760
day, which we call let's make it
a double.

1141
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,320
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks for listening

1142
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,320
to the film and whiskey show.
Let's favor another film with

1143
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,760
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1144
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,360
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1145
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1146
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,280
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1147
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,600
feature?
Brad, do you want to go first or

1148
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,480
do you want me to?
I'll jump in, Bob.

1149
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:45,080
I picked another movie from this
era, another movie that I

1150
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,800
believe came out in the same
year.

1151
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,920
Let me look really quick, came
out a year before this.

1152
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,240
I think it has a similar vibe to
this film as far as being a

1153
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,360
little bit irreverent, a little
bit making fun of its own

1154
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,280
storytelling, fairy tale type of
history.

1155
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,480
I am gonna pick The Emperor's
New Groove.

1156
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,480
Yeah, I think that's probably
the closest that Disney gets to

1157
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,720
doing this exact thing.
Yep.

1158
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,480
Like it's, it's.
Very.

1159
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,520
Like, I don't even know what the
word is for that kind of humor.

1160
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,400
Like, it's not.
I don't want to call it tongue

1161
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:29,880
in cheek, but it is.
It has an FU attitude to its own

1162
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,400
influences.
You know what I mean?

1163
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,920
Yeah, 100%.
That's why I picked it.

1164
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,000
Also, beyond the the
metaphysical nature of the two

1165
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,200
films that draws them together,
Eber's New Groove is just a

1166
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,480
really funny.
It is funny.

1167
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Like David Spade, Incredible
performance.

1168
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,560
John Goodman, John Goodman,
Incredible performance.

1169
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,040
Who's who's the guy who plays?
What is it?

1170
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,880
Crunk.
From From Family Guy Patrick.

1171
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,240
Warburg Yeah, yeah.
Oh dude.

1172
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,120
All time.
Great character performance for

1173
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,920
an animated film.
That's a good one, man.

1174
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,080
I think I'm going to go with The
Princess Bride, and I can't take

1175
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,160
credit for this 'cause it was in
that article that the guy wrote

1176
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,160
that hated Shrek and he he kind
of talked about how the, you

1177
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,040
know, this wasn't the first
time.

1178
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,960
Does he?
Does he also hate The Princess

1179
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:19,440
Bride?
I don't.

1180
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,680
Believe he did.
But he mentioned it just like as

1181
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,480
a an offhanded comment that,
like, this isn't the first time

1182
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,040
people played with the
conventions of the fairy tale.

1183
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,440
But he didn't go any farther
than that.

1184
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,640
And I started thinking about,
you know, I don't love The

1185
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,360
Princess Bride.
I think it's a good movie.

1186
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,840
It's cute.
I don't think it's as laugh,

1187
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,120
laugh out loud, funny as a lot
of people do.

1188
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,200
But I like the approach they
take better than Shrek because I

1189
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:48,440
think that they find really
funny, punny things to do in

1190
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,840
within the world of a fairy
tale.

1191
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,640
Like they're not constantly
crapping on fairy tales.

1192
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,080
In fact, like, the whole point
of the movie is to prove that

1193
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,560
fairy tales are really cool.
Like, that's what the Fred

1194
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,480
Savage character is learning as
this story is getting told to

1195
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,160
him.
And so I think it's like, it

1196
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,280
does what Shrek does, but less
mean and probably more

1197
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,680
successfully.
But honestly, dude, like, it

1198
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,240
would just be fun to sit down
with my kids and watch Shrek and

1199
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,200
The Princess Bride back-to-back,
'cause they're ultimately 2

1200
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,520
pretty good movies.
Yeah.

1201
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,160
Decently.
OK movies, the words of Rob

1202
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:28,840
Robert book Bob, I'm curious
we're we're getting into final

1203
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,439
scores territory.
I I want to hear where you're

1204
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,319
sitting on track at the end of
the day.

1205
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,240
Yeah man, we didn't really get
to talk a lot about the needle

1206
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,880
drops in this movie.
I think that this was a very

1207
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,960
successful soundtrack in 2001.
And now I'm like, none of these

1208
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,160
songs fit with what's going on
on screen.

1209
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,680
Like, why is Hallelujah in this
movie?

1210
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,120
What the hell are we doing?
Now dude, I didn't think I would

1211
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,880
disagree with you there.
I I think the I think the needle

1212
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,120
drops.
That's true.

1213
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,960
It does feel like a movie that
was made by the people that also

1214
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,600
were writing like the MTV Movie
Awards just feels like it.

1215
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,399
Probably.
Feels like MTV.

1216
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,080
Yeah.
I think I'm going to come out to

1217
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,000
a 6 1/2 on this movie.
I was thinking about a 7 because

1218
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,080
I do think the the second-half
of this movie is like an 8 out

1219
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,960
of 10.
It's a really enjoyable movie.

1220
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:28,680
The first half I actively
disliked and so it really just

1221
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,640
becomes how much does the
second-half succeed at bailing

1222
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,160
out the first half for me?
And I think it does it pretty

1223
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,880
well and I'm going to weight it
a little bit more towards the

1224
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,800
enjoyability factor.
So for me it's a 6.5 out of 10.

1225
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,680
I know that I'm much lower than
the 7.9 of the general public,

1226
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,479
Brad, but where are you falling
on this one?

1227
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,160
Yeah, I mean, I I kind of tipped
my hand already by talking about

1228
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,640
IMDBI.
Think I'm at an 8 out of 10.

1229
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,960
Like, I I, I watched this film
last night and when I got done,

1230
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:04,880
I said to myself, man, that was
a really fun movie like that.

1231
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,080
Like it's not incredibly deep,
but the areas it does go deep in

1232
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,640
I think are are really powerful
in really simple ways.

1233
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,640
And at the end of the day, man,
there's there is no fat on this

1234
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,320
movie.
Like this movie gets in, gets

1235
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,840
out.
It's like an hour and 40 minutes

1236
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:31,680
maybe hour and 30 and for me it
just it literally flew by.

1237
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,280
I I didn't feel stuck in any
points.

1238
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,360
So I I really enjoyed it this
time through.

1239
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:44,000
At the end of the day, it's a
it's an above average solid, fun

1240
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,840
animated film.
We did not talk at all.

1241
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,440
Like I might have given this
like an 8 1/2 but this easily

1242
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:54,440
went down 1/2 point for the fact
that the animation is not.

1243
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,320
Caught up and you know, once
again, this gets me back to like

1244
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,600
episode one that we talked about
a couple weeks ago.

1245
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,120
It's weird, the things that
computers were good at at this

1246
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,760
time, 'cause I think a lot of
the, like the way that grass

1247
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,120
interacts with their feet and
like, it looks great.

1248
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,840
The way they animated the fire
coming out of the Dragon's

1249
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,520
mouth, Incredible.
But then the actual character

1250
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:21,160
designs, like Shrek's Face,
looks like it's moving in slow

1251
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,240
motion compared to the rest of
him.

1252
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,520
It's very weird, like it it's
it's almost like you're watching

1253
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,600
parts of the animation glitch in
real time.

1254
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,600
I don't know how else to say it
aside from that, but like,

1255
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,040
there's some very crude
animation in in moments of this

1256
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,600
movie, coupled with some stuff
that's like truly beautiful and

1257
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,640
I think years ahead of its time.
And I can't piece together how

1258
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,680
both of those things are
happening in the same movie.

1259
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,640
Yeah, it's a prehistoric
animation, Bob.

1260
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,880
That's what's happening.
All right.

1261
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,480
One final question for you, man.
So this movie is considered at

1262
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:59,320
this point kind of an animated
classic.

1263
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,840
We've talked a lot on this
podcast about what makes a

1264
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,680
classic because it's it's a
calculus, man.

1265
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,440
It's not just was it a good
movie, but how much staying

1266
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,480
power does it have in the
cultural consciousness?

1267
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:12,080
How much do people just like it,
whether or not it's good?

1268
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,600
And I think this has a lot going
for it in terms of it.

1269
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,080
It has hung around in the
culture because of the Internet

1270
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,880
memes.
And also people seem to really

1271
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,000
still like it, regardless of
whether it's one of the best

1272
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,560
animated movies we've ever seen.
Do you consider this movie to be

1273
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,560
in quote, UN quote, classic
territory?

1274
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,720
And I ask this partially because
in, I don't know, 10 weeks or

1275
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,400
whatever, we're going to be
looking at a movie called

1276
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:44,280
Frozen, which was also a
cultural phenomenon, which also

1277
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,720
seems to tick a lot of these
boxes for being considered a a

1278
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,560
cultural classic and is also a
movie that I don't think is that

1279
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,800
great.
So, like, I want to get it out

1280
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,720
in the open now.
Like, if Shrek's a classic, does

1281
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,640
that mean Frozen is a classic?
Man, yeah.

1282
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,240
What you're doing is you're
trying to back me into a corner

1283
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,840
where I won't say that Shrek is
a classic Bob.

1284
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,200
That will be the final word.
If we are talking about classic

1285
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,240
animated films as if it's a
geography, there is in that

1286
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:23,000
realm a huge swamp for Shrek.
Like I I think that Shrek

1287
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,920
absolutely is a classic animated
film in the in the sense that it

1288
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,960
has stuck around in the cultural
consciousness and I think it

1289
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:38,000
continues to be like a film that
people genuinely enjoy to

1290
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,600
revisit.
And I think that that's those

1291
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,880
That's one of the key things for
me is like if something is a

1292
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,640
classic, it has to be a movie
that people want to come back

1293
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,280
to.
And IA famous.

1294
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,040
I don't like re watching movies
too often because I don't have

1295
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,640
time for it.
I would come back to strike a

1296
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,160
few more times in my lifetime.
Like I enjoy this movie.

1297
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,040
It has a little bit of
nostalgia, although I wouldn't

1298
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,880
say a ton overall.
It just provides some really

1299
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,320
funny laughs.
And honestly this watch through

1300
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:14,520
being a little more critical of
it in my my viewing, I think it

1301
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,320
actually stands up really well.
I I think that the script is not

1302
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,920
quite as lacklustre as I once
thought it was.

1303
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,160
So I I I think Shrek is in
classic territory, Bob, and that

1304
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,200
does not mean that I will say
that Frozen is a classic 10

1305
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,800
weeks from.
Now you got to be consistent,

1306
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,760
man.
All right, folks, that was

1307
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,520
Shrek.
We would like to know what you

1308
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,520
think of the movie Shrek.
Like which side of this debate

1309
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,520
do you fall on?
At the end of the day, we both

1310
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,800
think Shrek is a pretty good
movie, but I think there is a

1311
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,040
huge chasm between worthwhile
time and animated classic.

1312
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,520
So let us know what you think.
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1313
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:57,360
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1314
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,160
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1315
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,640
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1316
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,480
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1318
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Notes Next week we will be back

1319
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,320
with My Big Fat Greek Wedding,
the little movie that could from

1320
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,440
2002.
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1322
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,400
Episode 2.
What's that called?

1323
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,880
Attack of the Clones?
Is that the one?

1324
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:26,360
Let's.
Go, baby.

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All right, We will see you next
Monday for my Big Fat Greek

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Wedding.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G and.
We'll see you next time.