Scoring Kathryn Bigelow + Two New American Whiskeys

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Today on the filming, whiskey
podcast, we will be scoring out

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our most recent director,
Kathryn Bigelow.

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Then we'll be trying to American
whiskeys from wildly different

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places.
This is the film that whiskey

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podcast.
Hey everybody.

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Welcome into the film and
whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And today we are coming at you

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with another special bonus.
Episode bonus episode.

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We have finished out another
director Brad in our season.

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Oh, directors.
And that means it's time for us

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to apply this director to our
tried-and-true metric of how

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good or bad are you as a
director?

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And let me tell you what, Bob,
this is the first time we've

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ever scored out a female
directors, so, I feel like we're

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in dangerous territory.
Sure are the entire burden of

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female directors rests on the
shoulders of Kathryn, Bigelow,

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and Brad.
We're going to be measuring

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three films by Kathryn.
Bigelow, The Hurt Locker, Zero

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Dark, Thirty and Point Break on
our five-point metric.

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Brad, can you break down like
the impetus behind Find this

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whole metric thing that we do.
I made it up.

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Yeah, no, I think that it kind
of came out of the the scoring

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of whiskeys, but there is, I
don't know man.

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There's just something fun about
tinkering around with scores and

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trying to say, hey, like as a
director, how good is this

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person at directing actors?
How good are they at editing?

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How Today at like bringing about
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Cinema.
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And I think that it's fun and if
I'm being honest I feel like our

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scores are beginning to take
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Now that we've done it for an
entire season's worth of

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directors last season.
And if you miss that, go join

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our patreon.
You can get access to all of

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those.
But I mean, at this point, we're

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probably on our 10th to 12th
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Yeah, at least and it takes a
little bit of time to build the

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body of work of scoring.
And here we are.

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I feel pretty confident in and
where we are scouring our

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directors at this point.
Yeah, absolutely.

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And just, you know, a brief
history of B, not why we do this

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but how we did this, we had a
bonus episode last season and we

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kind of talked about what are
the major categories that if you

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were going to determine what a
good director should be good at,

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what would you call those
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And we kind of came down on five
categories, the first of which

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is performances So like Brad
said, how good is this person at

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directing their actors?
What kind of performances is he

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or she getting out of the
performers cinematography?

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How did the movies look?
I mean you know, I'm not saying

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that every director has to have
Lawrence of Arabia type

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cinematography, but you gotta
know how to use the camera a

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little bit or it's going to
count against you.

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The third category is editing
this is where we consider, you

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know, basically how does the
movie look, how does the movie

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sound?
How does the movie flow?

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This is where we really get into
the rhythm of the movie.

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I think some directors Brad are
just known for being a little

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bit too self-indulgent, and
their movies runtimes reflect

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that you can have a long movie.
That's still paste.

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Really.
Well, you could have a short

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movie that's based off Lee, and
I think that's the place where

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we would kind of Ding A director
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The fourth category, we call,
cohesion does everything holds

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together.
Does everything makes sense.

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What kind of world is the
director creating and then

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finally uniqueness and this is
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The director against his, or her
peers, do they have a unique and

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singular voice in cinema?
And so, it's time for us Brad to

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put Kathryn Bigelow through the
wringer here.

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And again, we're only judging
her on the three films that we

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watched this season.
So, let's go ahead and jump in

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with performances.
What did you think of her

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ability to get good bad?
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I mean, I think in the three
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Locker Zero Dark Thirty and
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I'm struggling with the
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and not in the sense that it
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We both agreed.
He was incredible in that film.

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Do you think that was Bigelow
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Just being Patrick Swayze?
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I think that was the sways
through and through man that

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like, that's kind of what I
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Like, I don't know if I'm
discounting her as a younger

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director, at that point.
But I, you know, I will give her

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credit she directed and that's
the form of performance.

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We got.
But, you know, Patrick Swayze

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was just go and go and full
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incredible.
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to Modern films, I think you
have some really solid like B+

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performances out of almost every
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Now, I may not be entirely fair
for me to be doing this Brad,

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but I have a nice little
spreadsheet in front of me.

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Where I keep score of all these
director metrics were doing and

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the other two directors.
We've done so far this season

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were in order, Clint Eastwood
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performances category we gave
Eastwood a seven because there

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are some actively bad
performances in those movies

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that we watched from him,
especially Gran Torino in Billy

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Wilder's movies.
We really liked most of the

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performances.
We gave him a 9 out of 10.

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I think.
Bigelow, frankly didn't have any

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performances in any of these
movies that I thought were

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nearly as bad as some of the
untrained actors in Eastwood's

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movies.
But I don't think any of them

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really hit the heights of some
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Wilders movies either.
And so I really feel like I'm

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just going to split the
difference here and give her an

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8 out of 10 dude.
I am in the exact same spot.

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I think that the performances
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A.
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Yeah.
Serviceable really like really

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solid Jeremy.
Renner was pretty good.

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I liked Anthony Mackie.
He was great.

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Or in that room.
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You know Jessica Chastain gives
a good performance.

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So yeah, overall I think eight
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All right.
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cinematography and this is an
interesting one because Zero

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Dark Thirty and The Hurt Locker
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it's that late.
You know, W shaky-cam that we

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know and love and then you get
Point Break, which very much

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looks and feels like a 90s
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And they are very very different
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Hmm, how do I want to say this
Brad?

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I don't think the cinematography
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of these three instances.
I can't say that it's

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necessarily a strength of any of
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Even though I know some people
to like talk about the hurt

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lockers cinematography, I
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had some really great moments of
framing especially and you can

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see that that movie had a much
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Locker did.
But again, I think the cinema

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Geography helps tell the story
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things more than it's a point of
like we're going to hang our hat

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on how good this movie looks.
So I think I'll give her an 8

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out of 10 again, you know, I'll
say this, I'll give her a seven

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and a half because it's like,
serviceable it serves the plot

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and that's all it needs to be
Baba.

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We're that these episodes are
going to get a little boring

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because I don't have anything
else to say, I'm with you.

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She's good here, not great
similar to her performances.

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I was at an 8 out of 10 the same
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All right, well why don't you
take us into editing then so I

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can stop yammering on for a
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I'm as if I'm being honest I
think editing is probably her

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strongest suit.
I think that both the modern

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films and Point Break move at
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the if there's one place to
another Knock it would be Zero,

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Dark Thirty.
I think that film runs about 20

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to 25 minutes, too long, but
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The Hurt Locker is the right
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Every scene takes about the
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I think that point break has a
really fast Fun Pace about it.

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So I, you know, overall and and
as we're going through this, we

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have to remember that editing
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So as you think about these
three, Holmes, Bob, I guess I

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would say that the the music
doesn't stand out for any of

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them but it doesn't detract from
any of them either.

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Yeah.
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necessarily just talking about
the score but also the entire

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sound design of the movie and I
think that that's a point of

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strong emphasis with Kathryn.
Bigelow, The Hurt Locker is

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especially really really good at
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And some of those tents, you
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scenes Zero Dark Thirty does a
good job in Point.

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Break is an early 90's movie and
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Has these like weird early 90s
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that's just you know it is what
it is Brad.

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I'm kind of conflicted on the
editing score here because a lot

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of times we try to walk the fine
line between like what should be

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counted in editing and what
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I think I'm going to score her
really high in the cohesion.

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The cohesiveness of these movies
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actually some moments.
You know, Zero Dark Thirty is

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way too long.
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very first scene at the
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Introducing the robbery.
It's edited in such a way that

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it's like, it's completely
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It's too fast paced, you don't
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that bank.
And I think there's a few

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moments across Point Break,
where it's just kind of seems

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like, you know, it's almost like
a Michael Bay movie the way that

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they cut every second before you
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So, I'm going to reward it
because The Hurt Locker is

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almost a perfectly edited movie,
but then the other to death.

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We had some flaws.
I think I'll give her an 8 and a

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half in editing.
This for me was her her

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strongest category.
I give her a nine out of ten

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here because I'm with you, I
think that The Hurt Locker is an

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impressive example of how to
edit a very tense war movie and

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the other two are really solid
in the category.

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So so 9 out of 10 here for me.
I don't know you you start us

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off and cohesion here Bob
because you seem to think that

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this is where she's at her best,
you know, I don't think I'd ever

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actually phrased it this way
before today.

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But I think thinking about
world-building is a really good

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way to think about the cohesion
category, like does the movie

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hang together is a kind of
nebulous question, because I

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think that's like a way of
asking.

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Does it just work for you or
does it not work for you?

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And I think a better way of
phrasing, it is like has the

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director done a good job.
Job of building out the world of

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this movie, not that it needs to
be some sort of like high

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fantasy tolkien-esque epic.
But like, you know, does Point

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Break hold together?
And honestly, as as goofy and

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dumb as that movie is, I think
she does a really great job of

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creating this completely insane,
fictional counterculture Surfer,

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Robin Hood world and it totally
works for what she's trying to

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do.
And I think that cohesion is

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definitely the his suit with
Bigelow because the world of The

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Hurt Locker, you know, you and I
talked about some of the logical

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inconsistencies in that movie.
But I think that for what she's

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trying to craft and that that
paranoia and that feeling that

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war is a drug.
The cohesiveness of that movie

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is pretty stellar and I would
say the same for zero-dark

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thirty.
So I'm actually going to give

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her the nine-and-a-half that you
gave in editing.

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I'm going to give it to her here
in cohesion.

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Yeah, I think that cohesion is
solid but not great.

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Now, I would say it's solid.
I am going to give her an 8 and

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a half here.
I think that the world of Zero

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Dark Thirty makes the most sense
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The, the CIA realm that Chastain
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there's too many things that
kind of fall apart and hurt

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locker of him, just randomly
leaving the base.

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And, and the way he gets away
with stuff, just wouldn't really

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happen in the Army from from
what I have heard from a lot of

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my Army.
My friends.

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So, so that one kind of falls
apart for me a little bit.

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I'm with you though, on Point
Break, like when you take away

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the realism of the, the two
later movies and just let them

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be like, hey, this is the FBI in
California, and this is how we

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roll.
Like I I can get down with that

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and the, the World building that
she goes on.

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So, so eight and a half here.
Alright.

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And then our last category is
uniqueness and this is I think

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if any area of this Metric is
going to be kind of a Minefield

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for us to navigate Brad.
It's this one because by virtue

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of her being our first female
director and being one of only

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three female directors to ever
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and she was the first one to do
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She is unique, right?
She has a singular voice in

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Hollywood, I think aesthetically
artistically.

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There's not a lot that is
singular about the way she makes

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movies.
Do you know what I mean?

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And I would even say if we're
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directors, who have won Oscars,
her movies are probably the

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least artistically unique.
I kept comparing her to Ridley

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Scott.
I still think that's a pretty

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good comparison or I wouldn't
have made it.

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However, like, Bob standing on
his Laurels, you know, I was

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reading a really good book about
it was about women directors.

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Hours and Kathryn Bigelow was
such a point of interest in this

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book because she has.
So often actively said, like I

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am not trying to bring a woman's
perspective to these movies.

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I'm just making the movies that
need to be made and by virtue of

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me being a woman like it's a
Woman movie like I'm not trying

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to force some lens upon this
movie and the book was really

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interesting in talking about how
a lot of people say that she is

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anti-feminist.
Then to impose some set of rules

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that you think a female director
should be bringing to a movie is

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kind of anti-feminist and
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So what do we do with Kathryn
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And and that's where I think you
just kind of have to come back

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to what's on screen and how
unique is it visually, you know,

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cohesive cohesively even a word
like artistically and I think

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it's just not really there.
The way it is with some of the

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other directors.
We've looked That I'll give her

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a seven and a half because I
think that she's a really great

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director, I just don't know that
there are a lot of Hallmarks of

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her style that you can hang on
to and say yes this is a

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uniquely Kathryn.
Bigelow thing.

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Yeah, this is where I'm going to
ding her the most I you said

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everything perfectly.
Bob I think that we get so

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caught up in the
intersectionality of it all.

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We're like yeah she's a female
and she First Oscar for best

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director, as a female.
And that's a huge

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accomplishment, that's really,
really cool.

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And honestly, it's for a movie
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Like I think that between that
and up in the air like they're

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both really solid movies that
year.

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So sure, I'm glad that she
wanted.

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You're forgetting Avatar but I
the clear and deserving winner

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of the 2009 Oscar am I right?
Yeah.

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Yeah sure, sure thing.
Bob that good.

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Old Avatar.
No.

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But, but Jimmy cam, Jimmy.
So I will say, I'm glad that

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that hurt locker one over that.
Yeah, me too.

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He's to meet soon.
What a percent.

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But I think what I'm trying to
say is when you just look at the

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product on screen, as you said,
Bob it's not the most unique is

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it well made?
Yep.

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Are there Great Performances?
Yep.

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Is the sound design.
Incredibly well done, especially

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in The Hurt Locker heck.
Yeah, but it's not the most

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unique so I'll give her.
Seven out of ten here.

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All right, Brad, that is
bringing me to a 40 1 out of 50

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on our metric.
What are you coming out to a

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40.5.
All right, so that's taken us to

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a forty point seven five out of
50 again, guys, she is like a

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well, above average director.
That's kind of doesn't even need

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to be said she's won an Oscar.
Like you don't typically win

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best director if you're not good
at directing with maybe a few

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notable exceptions.
You know, that one or two the,

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the lowercase Oh, Oscar doing.
Exactly.

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Alright.
So that was Kathryn.

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Bigelow.
We would love to know what you

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think about Kathryn Bigelow,
which of the three movies that

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we did was your favorite, which
is the one that you think she

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should be remembered by, you can
always find us to let us know on

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our social media accounts,
Facebook, Twitter or Instagram

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at film whiskey Brad.
We've got two whiskies to check

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out before we get out of here
today.

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So what do you say?
We try this Westland whiskey and

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whiskey Gypsy.
Hmm.

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Let's get to a man.
I'm excited for this peated.

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American whiskey.
All right, our first whiskey of

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the day is from Westland
whiskey.

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We have tried Westland before on
the podcast.

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You may remember a few seasons
back.

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They are back with a new range
of Whiskey's that they're

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calling the Outpost range and
the first one among them, they

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are calling Solem Sol.
Um, so Loom Saloon, this is an

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American single malt whiskey as
are all of their Whiskey's, but

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this is the first one that's
come out of their Distillery to

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be a peated.
Whiskey.

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They say they've been
experimenting with Pete for a

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long time, but this is the first
one that's actually made it to

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shelves and apparently, to our
glasses as well.

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Brad, this is a single mold
American whiskey, which is aged

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in New American Oak casks.
And then finished in X bourbon

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casks.
It says that there's a minimum

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maturation time of 41 months.
So the youngest whiskey in here

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is about three and a half years
old and the ABV on this 50%.

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So, we're drinking 100 proof or
today.

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Yeah, we sure are.
And I honestly, I really enjoy

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seeing peated whiskies at a
little bit higher of proof.

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Sometimes like, I I love me some
86-82 proof, you know, single

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malts.
They can really hit the spot and

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have so much flavor but every
once in a while it's nice to

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have the option to water it down
yourself, Brad.

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I just poured this out into my
glass and I think the thing

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that's most surprising to me
about this is how bright and

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sweet.
It is on the nose.

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It smells to me like like
strawberry glaze, like it's

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really, really Barry forward.
And I don't think I've ever

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gotten that on a peated whisky
before.

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Yeah.
No.

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That's I wrote down crisp.
Apple.

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There's some honey.
There's some Citrus it gets a

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little bit almost time, like
kind of seasoning ish feel to

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it, but all that being pushed to
the side.

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For the fact that yeah, there's
raspberry, there's blueberry.

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And it has a little bit of sugar
Enos to it.

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That reminds me of like I do
almost like my wife's like

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blueberry cobbler or something.
Yeah.

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Like like, but if you gotta bite
mostly of the blueberries and

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just a tiny bit of the, the
cake, you know, I know that most

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people peated whisky is like the
final frontier for them and they

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really hold off on trying it
because it's just, it doesn't

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sound that appetizing.
You know what I mean?

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You should play the Jurassic
Park theme song, the background.

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The final frontier.
I guess what I want to say is

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this this is the most appetizing
that I've ever had a peated

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whisky smell, it is very
inviting and that peat smoke

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really accentuates.
Those Barry notes really, really

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well, I'm excited to dive into
this man.

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Yeah, I obviously already have,
as I said, there is a lot of

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complexity on the nose as we got
into the palette that continued

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for is for me.
Good.

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Yeah.
Sorry.

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I can't wait anymore, man.
I'm sorry.

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Yeah, man, for me, this was very
herbaceous.

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There is a lot of really, really
cool almost like an herb garden

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notes going on here.
There is some pine needle.

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Yep.
It felt like a really dark honey

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like that.
Like a really light bright

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honey, but like a dark more
aged, honey, it's a little bit

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Smoky and the oak comes through
and just A little bit of a

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seasoning way that kind of
allows it to give some some

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maturity there.
Bob this is a damn good whiskey

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bro.
This is like 45 out of 50 type

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whiskey right now.
This is Stellar.

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I don't know what to say.
I'm so caught off guard by this.

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It has that note that I get on
Craft whiskey a lot which is

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it's not just herbal but it's
almost has that it goes beyond

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pine needle into that kind of
like the smell you get on your

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hands when you're Cutting weeds
like really Woody weeds out of

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like an overgrown area of your
yard or something like that.

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It has that note on it.
But then it's rounded out by

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really sweet apple and Barry and
then that really Pleasant kind

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of subtle Pete like this is the
perfect amount of Pete to

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complement the flavor profile of
this whiskey.

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While you were talking Brad, I
looked up the price on this that

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it's retailing for and it looks
like direct from Westland at

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selling for 145.
Dollars.

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This is an expensive whiskey.
I almost don't have any

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hesitation in still recommending
it like I don't think that I

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would give it a 10 out of 10 on
value, but this is one of the

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best peated whiskies I've ever
had.

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And so if we're just going on
that and especially from the

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American side of things, I don't
know if you have ever had, maybe

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one or two other American single
malts that are peated.

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And if we have, I don't really
remember them because this thing

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just blows everything else out
of the water.

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Yeah.
Bob this Westland Outpost Range

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is truly one of the best peated
whiskies I've had and it's

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because they don't dive too
deeply into the realm of the

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Pete.
They keep it back just enough.

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That it truly enhances the
flavor on everything happening

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around it.
There is just enough smoke that

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it gives it the Savory
charcuterie feel but you don't

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lose sight of all the berry, all
the honey, all of the the herbs

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that are going on here.
So this whiskey is called Solem

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once again, that's the name of
this expression, it was just

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voted as the best American
single malt by the world

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Whiskey's Awards.
And I gotta say, I can't

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disagree like this is just
fantastic.

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And that means that our next
whiskey on the docket, has a lot

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to live up to Brad because this
is a tough act to follow.

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We're going to be looking at
Whiskey Gypsy, this is called

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Legacy volume. 1: the journey,
that's the name of this

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expression, whiskey.
See is a new Venture from

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country music star?
Eric Church?

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He has started up a new Spirits
brand.

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Yeah, they're sourcing this
whiskey.

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It's a blend of different kinds
of whiskey.

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The first of which is a 70% corn
bourbon, which has been aged

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seven and eight years from
Indiana 21% of this blend is

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Canadian rye whiskey, which has
been aged for 20 years and then

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the remaining 9% is American
single malt which was aged for

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four years.
So, the youngest whiskey in here

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is For years, the oldest whiskey
in this blend is 20 years old.

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I'm excited to see what notes
come out on this Brad because

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it's mostly bourbon.
But with some really well age

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dry in here as well.
I know you've tried this before.

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I have not tried it yet.
I'm just pouring it out.

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Why don't you give us your
nosing notes?

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Yeah, the the nose here there's
a lot of ethanol coming right at

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the front.
It's very alcohol forward.

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Once you sit with it for a
little bit I got some cherry

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cordial.
Some Corn caramel vanilla, a lot

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of really nice bourbon denotes
but not with a lot of complexity

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or depth to to underlay them.
I don't know about you, Bob, but

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I thought that the nose was
solid decent.

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Yeah, this is pretty subtle
Brad, there's a little bit of

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astringency on this.
Like, I'm getting like The

448
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,100
faintest Whisper of almost like
nail polish remover on this.

449
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,400
But underneath that, there's
that kind of like a medicinal

450
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,300
bubblegum sent, you know, like
when you were a kid and they

451
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,900
gave you that bubble gum
flavored medicine.

452
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,300
I get that a little bit.
It's really Wang zi and I think

453
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,300
that's kind of why it's hard to
find really prominent notes on

454
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,100
this.
Definitely a more subtle scent

455
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,400
than the last whiskey we just
had but I don't think it's bad.

456
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600
Yeah I think it's a it's a solid
experience.

457
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,400
There's just something missing
and I feel like it's a little

458
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,100
too potent.
I feel like the alcohol hits.

459
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,900
Real hard on the nose and kind
of prevents you from getting

460
00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:09,400
some of that complexity.
Yeah and I would say that carry

461
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,100
that carries forward into the
flavor as well.

462
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,100
This is a lot more like
immediately sweet on the palate

463
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,300
than that peated.
Whisky was that we just tried.

464
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:21,900
It's also much more prickly and
it's also a much.

465
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,800
Her mouth feel which I wasn't
expecting with a 20-year whiskey

466
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,100
blended into it.
Yeah, Brad.

467
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,800
If I'm being honest about this
one, I think that it definitely

468
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,100
stays in that kind of alcohol
forward range.

469
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,200
It's not an astringent taste but
there's just not a lot of depth

470
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,600
or complexity here for me.
Yeah, that I hate to say it man,

471
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,300
I'm struggling a little bit and
to be clear, like I drink these

472
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:51,100
whiskies pretty far apart like I
drink the Westland one day.

473
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:56,300
I drink the Gypsy the Next day,
so there's no hangover from

474
00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:00,300
this, you know, peated whisky.
I just thought that it was a

475
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000
decent palette.
The sweet corn came through,

476
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,100
there was something that cherry
coming through.

477
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:09,200
It was kind of like a really
grainy rye and there's almost a

478
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,100
little bit of like an orange
juice, citrusy feel to it, but

479
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,100
overall it was just very grainy
with a little bit of sweet

480
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,000
tacked on there.
Yeah, this reminds me of some of

481
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,600
The Whiskey's that are blended
with like neutral grain Spirit.

482
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Like a Seagram's 7.
Like, it almost has that

483
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:34,400
unflavored alcohol with a tinge
of whiskey flavor to it.

484
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,300
Hmm, I will say this, this
whiskey is even more expensive

485
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,100
than the Westland was.
This is retailing for 199

486
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:44,500
dollars, a bottle, it is a very
cool looking bottle, it is

487
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,300
endorsed by a celebrity, so
they're clearly targeting the

488
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:51,300
premium Market here and Brad,
it's not saying nothing that

489
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:52,900
we're using an Eight year old
bourbon.

490
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,100
A seven year old bourbon and a
20 year old Canadian rye.

491
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,800
So I expect this to be triple
digits.

492
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:05,400
I just, I think even then asking
$200 for this is asking quite a

493
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,700
bit.
Yeah, I would say that asking

494
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,000
$100 for this is way too much
bomb that.

495
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Like, for me, this is like a 50
dollar whiskey.

496
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,300
Yeah, it in.
If that, no, I, this is like a

497
00:28:19,308 --> 00:28:21,100
50 dollar whiskey.
It's solid.

498
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:24,900
It is a, it's Unique experience,
it's just a little bit too

499
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:30,100
grainy and to ethanol forward
for me to ever say, spend more

500
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,000
than $50 on this.
I just took a third sip.

501
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:36,300
I think the malt really starts
to come out on the end on the

502
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,900
third sip.
But again, I think I always say

503
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,900
that if it takes you three or
four steps to start, picking

504
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,200
things up on a whiskey than it,
probably just isn't the most

505
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,600
complex whiskey.
So I didn't mean for these two

506
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,300
to go head-to-head today, but
it's just the way things shake

507
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:50,800
out.
Sometimes when we get samples

508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,900
sent to us, we got a double up
to get through them all.

509
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:57,800
And I think the clear winner
today was this Westland solum

510
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,500
this stuff Brad is going to be
making my end of the season.

511
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,600
Best whiskies I tried all season
list.

512
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,000
This is fantastic stuff, man,
100%, and I'm thankful that

513
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Gypsy sent us their product.
I will say it came in one of the

514
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,200
coolest product Delivery Systems
I've ever seen.

515
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,700
Yeah.
Why don't you explain that a

516
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:19,900
little bit before we get out of
here?

517
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:25,900
Yeah, do the They sent me a book
that was like, completely full

518
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,300
and it had a cutout in it that
you received the sample in.

519
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:33,900
And it was one of the dopest
whiskey things I've ever seen

520
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:39,000
big big fan of the, the
prohibition level packaging.

521
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,800
I'm just sad that we didn't do
this paired up with Shawshank

522
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,100
Redemption, like this would have
been the perfect carving

523
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,400
something out of a book to
smuggle something in.

524
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,700
Yep.
Really, really cool Packaging.

525
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,500
Yeah, so thank you to both of
these companies.

526
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,700
Thank you to Westland.
Thank you to Whiskey Gypsy.

527
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:58,100
We're looking forward to seeing
what both of you guys do in the

528
00:29:58,108 --> 00:30:00,900
future.
Brad in our near future.

529
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,800
We are pivoting out of Kathryn
Bigelow territory and throw in

530
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,500
at way back to the silent era as
we kick things off on Tuesday,

531
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,400
with the first movie from
Charlie.

532
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,100
Chaplin on our list. 1930.
Ones City Lights.

533
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:17,000
Yeah.
Super excited for that.

534
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,500
Baba.
I have never fun.

535
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,200
Fact.
Watched a silent film.

536
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,200
Will you?
We'll now Brad cos it's finally

537
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,500
time so join us Tuesday for
that.

538
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:31,100
But until then I'm Bob book I'm
Reggie and we'll see you next

539
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:31,500
time.