Oscars 2025 Recap / Filmland Spirits Quadraforce

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On today's Film and Whiskey, we
are recapping the 2025 Oscars.

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They just wrapped up and I'm
joining you pretty much live

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here.
Then we're going to throw over

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to an interview with our friends
at Film Land Spirits.

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That's all ahead on Film and
Whiskey.

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Well, hey everybody, welcome
into the film and Whiskey

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podcast.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm flying solo tonight because
my Co host does not care about

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the Academy Awards and he does
care about sleeping.

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So what I did in his stead is I
brought in our chief Oscars

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expert for the second time this
ox Oscars season.

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It's our friend Daniels.
YO, we're going to break down

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this entire awards telecast.
It just wrapped up, I guess, 10

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minutes ago.
So we collected our thoughts a

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little bit and we're going to
spoil what we thought of this

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whole thing.
Daniel, how you doing tonight

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man?
I am good, thank you for having

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me.
OK, so let me let me preview

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this a little bit by I want to
say thank you for an article you

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wrote the other day for, I
believe, Rodger Ebert breaking

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down the mathematical chances
and probabilities of our best

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picture race.
So going into this tonight,

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Enora was pretty much the the
odds on favorite the front

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runner for the award.
I guess what I'd like to start

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by saying is I am surprised the
extent to which everything kind

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of ended up coalescing around
Enora this this Oscar season.

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I figured it would win best
picture.

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I don't know if I would have
pegged it to win all five of the

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Oscars at 1:00 tonight.
Yeah, I agree.

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I you know, the, the biggest
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nominations and the winners, I
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primarily a question of what
people watch.

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What wins is primarily a
question of what people love.

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And there are a lot of times
where films rack up a lot of

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nominations and not a lot of
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There are also a lot of times
where films rack up 345

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nominations and sweep their
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You know, we saw the last few
years Scorsese films like The

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Irishman and Killer Slaughter
Moon get a lot of nominations

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and win nothing.
We saw Amelia Perez go 2 for 13

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tonight.
And Inora, on the other hand,

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win 5 for six.
So there's a lot of temptation

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when the nominations come out to
feel like, oh, we can tell based

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on these numbers what voters
love.

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And a lot of times you can't.
I I don't mean to speculate too

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much here, but when you came on
last, the nominations had just

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been announced and Carlos Sofia
Gascon had not yet torpedoed the

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entire film that she was in.
So folks, if you are not

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familiar with the ongoing drama
behind Amelia Perez, it's star

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Carlos Sofia Gascon.
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incriminating tweets dredged up
against her, which she doubled

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down on repeatedly and then paid
for her own disastrous press

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conference, essentially tanking
her chances at winning Oscars.

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And somehow Zoe Saldana and the
songwriters survived the the

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scorched earth policy that she
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I guess, Daniel, what I am.
What I am wondering though is

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once Amelia Perez was kind of
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everyone locked in on a Nora.
If that hadn't happened, do you

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still think Anora comes away as
the winner here because Amelia

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Perez was already so divisive?
I, I do something we talked

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about when the nominations came
out and I and I said on that

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podcast and like you said, this
is, this is before the Amelia

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Perez controversies.
I had said in the last podcast

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that I did not think Amelia
Perez, the brutalist and wicked

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could win.
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be 1 of either a Nora Conclave
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Because in the preferential
ballot, once you get past the

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early eliminations, the films
that just don't have a lot of

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support and you get into the
heavyweights, at that point,

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you're deep enough in voters
ballots that getting last place

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votes really matters.
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ballots and 6th place votes and
7th place votes turn into first

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place votes, at that point it
really is a competition of, OK,

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what films are going to be 9th
and 10th on the most number of

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ballots?
Those are the films that can't

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win.
And that's why I've thought all

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along that Amelia Perez, Wicked
and the Brutalist could never

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seriously win Best Picture,
because those are the three

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films that were most likely to
appear at the bottom of the most

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ballots.
So how'd you do tonight?

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I went 14 of 23.
It was not a not a banner night

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for me.
Yeah, I went 15 of 23.

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I was doing really well for a
while and then I missed several

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of the top categories because I
had Demi Moore, Timothy Chalamet

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and Brady Corbett, all Brady
Corbett, all winning.

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So I would had only missed 6
until I'm sorry, I'd only missed

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5 until it got to the to the
last few categories and I missed

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three more.
I was getting the growing sense

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over the last week that the
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the Academy at large as a little
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And so I didn't pick Brady
Corbett to win and director, I

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picked Shawn Baker, and I got
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But I did pick both Timothy
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I got swayed by the last
Chalamet win, and the guy has

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been running such an incredible
campaign.

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And I really did think that the
youthfulness of the new Oscar

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voting makeup would swing
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Timmy's win like this was a
truly new type of Oscar campaign

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that hit a level of virality
online I don't think we've ever

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seen.
It might be my favorite Oscar

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campaign I've ever seen.
I don't even love the movie, and

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I really didn't love the
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But I was really pulling for
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And when they called Adrian
Brody's name, I like Adrian

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Brody and I liked the
performance.

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It felt a little bit
anticlimactic to me, I'm not

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going to lie.
Yeah, I would be curious for any

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voter that voted for Rami Malek
in 2018, but not for Timothy

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Chalmet this year.
So just explain.

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And I, I'm not, I don't say that
in like a combative way, like,

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oh, you're an idiot.
Like, I'm just genuinely curious

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for them to say what it is about
Rami Malek's performance that

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worked for them and Timothy
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didn't.
And, you know, it's all

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circumstantial.
Like, maybe their answer is just

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that no one in Rami Malek's here
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the Brutalist.
And that's a perfectly valid

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answer.
But it does feel like Rami Malek

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got credit for doing something
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confusing me, especially because
Rami Malek wasn't singing in

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Boogie and Rhapsody and Shalomay
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And I know you can make the
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good singer, so it's easy to,
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But I felt like Shalomay
channeled Dylan in a way that

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Rami Malek was just kind of
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And so I'm really interested in,
in what voters see the

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difference as because I, I kind
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Yeah, I think it was the lack of
prosthetic teeth, really.

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If if they'd given him a nice
pair of chompers, it would have

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tipped him over the edge here, I
think.

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No, but it's a similar thing
with the Demi Moore Mikey

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Madison Award.
So Mikey Madison wins in what

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you were calling a 5050 race.
I really thought that was the

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shocker of the night.
I think everyone that I've been

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talking to was like, look to me,
basically swept all the

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precursors and I don't know if
it was just like where I was

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looking at the TV screen when
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I was locked in on Demi Moore.
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they did not call her name and
she didn't do anything

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disrespectful.
And she kind of nodded politely

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and then, you know, gave
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I thought that room was shocked
and I was definitely shocked

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when they called her name.
I thought Moore was a very

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graceful loser.
I I think that, and this is one

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of the just fun things about
watching the Oscars, if you can

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see when the momentum changes in
the room throughout the course

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of the night, You know, Enora
won a few awards earlier in the

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evening that were kind of
considered toss up races, both

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editing and original screenplay.
Editing.

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It was considered kind of a toss
up weather between Enora and

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Conclave and original screenplay
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between Enora and a real pain.
And when Enora won both of

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those, I felt like you could
tell that how much people love

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that movie.
And that's when I first started

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to really think I, I kind of bet
Mikey Madison is going to win

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this.
And I had predicted doing more,

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but I felt like by the middle of
the show that it was going to be

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Mikey Madison's.
And I actually just looked up a

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really interesting stat earlier
that had never even occurred to

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me until this afternoon.
And then I ran out of time to

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look it up until after the
Oscars were over.

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And then I looked up really
quickly in terms of films that

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the title of the film is just a
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So not a film with a character
in the title, but also other

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words like All About Eve or
Lawrence of Arabia.

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Not a film where it's a
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title, like The Godfather or On
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but just films that are a
character's name that win Best

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picture.
There have been eight such

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instances.
I'm sorry, 9 instances in an all

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but 2.
But the person who played that

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character has also won the lead
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One of the exceptions for Gigi,
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So the only time a lead has ever
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titular character of Best
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for Tom Jones in 1963.
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But there are many other
examples of that person winning,

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from Oppenheimer, Forrest Gump,
Annie Hall, Patton, Ben Hur,

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Marty and Hamlet in 1948.
That's crazy.

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What a stat.
So This is why we bring you on.

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This is like the ESPN stats and
and facts level analysis we need

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here man.
Well, it just makes you think

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that when a movie is called
Annie Hall, or when a movie is

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called Oppenheimer and you're
voting for that movie is the

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best movie of the year.
And then you have the option of

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who gives the best performance
of the year and you already

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think Oppenheimer is the best
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is the best movie of the year,
or Forrest Gump is the best

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movie of the year.
You're probably just eliminating

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to think, well, the guy that
played Forrest Gump must be the

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best performance, but the guy
that played Ben Hur must also be

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the best performance if I think
that's the best movie and it's

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called Ben Hur.
Yeah, and like, once again,

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justice for Timothy Chalamet for
ignoring being ignored last year

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for Wonka.
That's what I'm going to say.

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You could have had it again last
year and we didn't.

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Thanks a lot, Killian.
Sadly, I don't think Wonka was

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going to be the best picture
juggernaut that that's that

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depends upon.
All right, Daniel, I got a let's

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zoom out a little bit from the
ceremony itself or from the

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awards themselves.
We talked a little bit your last

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time here about what kind of a
movie year it was.

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And I know that there's been a
lot of division even amongst

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critics as to what kind of a
movie year it was.

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I'm I'm on the side that this
was a little bit of a thinner

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year for movies that I think are
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Not that the films themselves
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They just feel kind of of the
moments, and I don't know if

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it's going to be one that we
remember years down the road.

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Brad and I were recording an
episode on a movie from 2011

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today, and when I looked at
those 2012 Oscars, that was a

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rough group of nominees.
You had The Tree of Life and

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Moneyball, and that was pretty
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And they didn't win anything.
And so I'm looking at these

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winners now, and I think that
when you have a year where it's

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like a thinner crop, if you pick
the right movies, no one really

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remembers that the crop was
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Now that we see the winners,
what do you think we're going to

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think of this batch of films
5-10 years out from now?

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I think for the most part, it's
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You know, when the nominations
came out, the extreme over

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performance of Amelia Perez I
think made it seem like voters

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felt like they had no other
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It wasn't a good problem movies.
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winners, Inora won five Oscars,
The Brutalist won three, the

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substance 11.
I'm still here 11.

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Dune won a few.
Yep, I think Dune and Wicked

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both won two I think was my
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Yeah, yeah, Conclave won the
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deserved to win.
I believe eight of the 10 best

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picture nominees won Oscars.
The only two that didn't were A

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Complete Unknown and Nickel
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five of the year.
But you know, what do I know?

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I do think looking at the
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good year.
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the craft results in the last
few years that, you know, you

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used to see films go on just
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and just go on sweeps the last
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I feel like every craft
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judged on its own merits.
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winners are pretty deserving.
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Joe, you know, most people don't
see the number of films that you

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and I do, and you see even more
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You're looking at this list of
winners and you're trying to

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decide, OK, I guess I should
watch a Nora because it just won

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five of them.
What's a movie that really

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didn't, I don't want to say that
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I don't like that word.
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many awards as you would have
liked it to or didn't win any

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awards that you think people
really need to seek out because

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it's it's getting buried by its
lack of recognition here.

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Yeah, there are a few.
I there are three movies that I

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really, really loved in the past
year that got no Oscar

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nominations, Furiosa, Hitman and
Saturday Night.

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Furiosa, I think is especially
strange that it's not here

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because if people remember back
in 2016, Mad Max Fury Rd. nearly

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swept the craft Oscars that
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And Furiosa looks and sounds
every bit as good and all of a

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sudden because it more or less
failed the box office, it was

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deemed non Oscar worthy.
I think that's really weird.

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Hitman Glenn Powell gave one of
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year.
I think everyone should watch

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Hitman, it's on Netflix,
fantastic Richard Linklater

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film.
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weird 1.
You know, that didn't do very

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good box office and I think that
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chances.
It also got savaged by some

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critics, but I feel like what a
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it was the point of view of the
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Yeah, exactly.
The director and the point of

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view of the story.
But man, the editing in that

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film, the casting, like, there's
some really impressive work

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happening in that film.
I think it really was deserving

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of an editing Oscar nomination.
And I also thought Jon Batiste's

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kinetic score of the movie
should have been nominated.

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I thought Cooper Hoffman gave
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performances of the year.
That just a really, really good.

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Thing for me in that movie and
man, I saw someone and I

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apologize and I don't remember
who who said this, but I saw

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someone on Twitter a few months
back when Saturday Night was in

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theaters do a screen capture of
Cooper Hoffman with.

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His hand on his hip.
Yeah, I saw the.

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Scene he was he was yelling at
Gabriel LaBelle in the stairs

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and he was holding his hand up
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And someone pointed out that the
way he's holding his hand, you

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can literally see his dad that
he like holds his hand to sort

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of yell at someone in the exact
same way.

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And it was so cool that someone
pointed that out because as soon

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as they say like, Yep, I see it.
You know, it's, it's funny, this

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is one of those years for me
that I saw everything that was

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supposed to be the big Oscar
movies.

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And then, you know, like most
years anymore, 70% of those went

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nowhere and didn't get any Oscar
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And then I had to play catch up
after the nominations were

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announced because I had, you
know, put a lot of these on the

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back burner.
I just got around to seeing, I'm

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still here about a month ago and
it has not left my memory since

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then.
I think I'd honestly is my

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number one film of the year.
It just worked on me like

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gangbusters.
I really loved Jesse Eisenberg's

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film a real pain.
I'm, I was shocked that that

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didn't make the cut for best
picture.

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And you know, I was just on a
plane with somebody this past

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this past week and like looking
up the row, a ton of people were

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watching that on an airplane.
I don't know what that says

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about it's watchability, but it
was the film of choice on the

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flight to Las Vegas last week.
I I would highly recommend

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people seeking that out.
And then as you said, Nickel

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Boys seems to be kind of the
critics consensus for the best

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film of the of the year and it
really just never generated the

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kind of buzz that you would
expect for something that had

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that much of a groundswell of
critics behind it.

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Yeah, Nickel Boys was fantastic.
I really think the the

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distributor behind that, and I
apologize, I don't remember who

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it is, also that I really think
they screwed up its release.

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Yeah, for a film that is that
much of A non crowd pleaser, you

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have to build buzz in a
different way.

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And I thought they really messed
up by not sending it to Toronto.

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The only festival it played was
Telluride, which is super

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exclusive.
There aren't that many critics

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there, so you don't get to build
the reputation film in the way

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you do.
If it had opened in Toronto and

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then it opened in theaters so
late that it didn't have the

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opportunity to build a
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Well, and here we are a year out
from the premiere of Dune Part

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2, and I'm still wondering why
Warner Brothers.

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I know that they're probably in
some sort of financial dire

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straits and they really needed
due to in that first quarter of

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2024.
But someone was posting today

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like if this had premiered in
September, I think it would have

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swept everything.
And I don't know if I disagree

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with that.
It really was kind of the

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juggernaut of the first half of
the year.

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And it seems weird that a movie
that big, that had that much

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public support and two really
prominent young actors in it

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fell as flat as it did here on
Oscar night.

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Yeah, I mean, it won two awards.
I think it was, I saw Sean

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Tennessee of The Ringer tweet
that it actually won the same 2

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awards as the middle Lord of the
Rings film, which was an

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interesting point.
And I think where Sean was sort

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of going with that is the second
Lord of the Rings film won these

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two Oscars and then third one
won everything.

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And maybe that's what will also
happen with Dune.

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Which I I'm not sure if we can
transpose that one to one

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though, 'cause things are about
to get real weird in the Dune

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universe here.
Yeah, I don't know if the Oscar

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voters are ready for that.
Yeah.

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And there's so much temptation
to think, you know, anytime

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there's a series of movies that,
oh, maybe Oscars voters will

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give it the The Lord of the
Rings treatment and just wait

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till the end.
And people forget that.

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I mean, first of all, that was a
very different Academy that was

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half the size in an extremely
different makeup.

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That was also, you know, Lord of
the Rings.

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It was the first time any films
had ever been made that way.

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So thinking that the Academy
will just sort of go on the same

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behavioral path as as strange
logic to me.

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All right, Daniel, let's let's
do just a quick little lightning

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round here.
What are the moments from this

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telecast itself, whether it was
something Conan did or some

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other presenter's bit, a speech
that you really liked?

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What do you think of the moments
that are going to stand out from

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this telecast, that are going to
be played in clips packages for

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the years to come?
I thought Conan did a great job.

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Definitely him.
The the Wasting Time song I

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thought was brilliant.
I want one of those Conan hair

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hats that all the backup dancers
were wearing.

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Speeches, man.
I thought Sean Baker said a lot

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of great things.
I, you know, I don't have a lot

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of faith that the powers to be
will listen to the things that

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he said, but hope springs
eternal.

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I mean, you know, maybe, oh, I
thought the speech that the film

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makers of No other Land gave was
really powerful when the Israeli

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winner for the film said of his
Palestinian colleague, you know,

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I look at him and I see my
brother, I thought that was

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extremely powerful.
And it's really sad that no

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distributor will pick that film
up because they're too afraid of

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backlash.
I don't know when I'll ever get

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the chance to see that movie.
Honestly, yeah, same.

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I mean, there's clearly money to
be made from a distributor

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hating that movie, but who
knows?

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I mean, you know, I'm sure it'll
line up on Canopy or something

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like that and a more academic
streaming service, but.

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Exactly.
I think people love a really

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easy to digest Oscar's clip too.
You know, I'm thinking of like

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Cuba Gooding Junior jumping up
and down on stage.

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And I think for me, the moment
that kind of hit that this year

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in terms of the speeches was
that first one by Kieran Culkin.

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It was very rambly.
But then he hit on the the story

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about, you know, let's get
cracking on those kids.

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I really do think that's going
to be a pull quote that we're

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going to hear for years and
years and years down the road.

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Yeah, he was great.
That that was a really great way

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to kick it off.
So one thing about the show that

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I saw a lot of people get wrong
on Twitter.

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So like I said, I just want to
use this opportunity to say I

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saw a ton of people on Twitter
suggested that James Bond

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montage was just bought and paid
for by Jeff Bezos.

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Not true at all.
That was in the works before the

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Amazon news and the reason they
did it is because the long time

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Bond producers have been given
an honorary Oscar earlier this

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year.
That was the impetus for the

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Bond tribute because Barbara
Broccoli and Michael G Wilson

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were honorary Oscar recipients
of the Governor's Awards a few

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months ago.
Which they did a horrible job of

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communicating on the broadcast.
Yeah, So I just want to dispel

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that rumor.
And I mean, the Bond news only

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broke, I think a week ago.
You know when something happens

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a week before the Oscars?
You can.

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That's enough time to get Morgan
Freeman on the stage and say a

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few nice words about Gene
Hackman.

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That is not enough time to
organize an elaborate song and

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dance number with dozens of
people and three different

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singers.
You can't do that in a week.

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Now I will say I still think
that it was a pretty good

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telecast.
This telecast is just always

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gonna have bloat.
And I don't necessarily think

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that cutting the runtime is the
solution.

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That's obviously never been your
solution.

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We've talked about this before,
but it just the way they

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allocate time throughout the
telecast is still infuriating to

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me sometimes.
And the James Bond tribute going

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for like 9 1/2 minutes when no
awards were being presented and

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then having to make up that time
by cutting off multiple award

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recipients from being able to
speak it.

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It gets under my skin every
single year.

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I don't care if you got to put
each of the four people that win

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an Oscar on a 15 second timer to
make sure they hit a minute.

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Like, you got to let all of them
at least say thank you before

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you usher them off the stage.
Yeah, I was really upset.

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I think it was when Dune won for
best sound.

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There were three winners.
The 1st 2 got to speak and the

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third guy was cut off.
I think it's OK to cut off

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someone who has been speaking
and just kind of won't shut up.

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It is not OK to cut off someone
who hasn't even gotten to speak

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yet.
That's just not OK.

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And that do sound guy really got
a raw deal.

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And I wish you know, I remember
it was in 2007, the year that

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once won best original song and
the guy Glenn Hansard was able

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to speak.
And then the the woman

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Marquette, her globa was cut
off.

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And then later in the show, Jon
Stewart brought her back out on

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stage so she could so she could
speak because it was just not OK

444
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,960
that she was cut off.
She didn't get to say anything

445
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,120
and I wish that Conan had done
that tonight with the Dune sound

446
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,720
guy that, you know, clearly
wanted to speak and just wasn't

447
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,040
allowed to.
Yeah.

448
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,000
All right, let's wrap things up
here today, man.

449
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,960
It sounds like it was a pretty
successful Oscars telecast for

450
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,440
the both of us, even if we
didn't pick all of the winners

451
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,120
correctly.
If you have to pick one movie

452
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,000
that you think we will still be
talking about as a society and

453
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,360
then maybe another movie as a
group of film critics or film

454
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,800
lovers, what are the films that
we will remember from this year

455
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,680
and are they the ones that were
honored tonight?

456
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,440
Yeah, they are 'cause I honestly
think the two films that will be

457
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,800
remembered most from this year
are Nora and The Brutalist.

458
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Nora is far and away my favorite
film of the year.

459
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,000
And I thought that the second I
saw it in Toronto back in

460
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,600
September, I mean, one of my
friends actually just texted me

461
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,160
an image of the of me raving
about a Nora to him on September

462
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,880
7th.
And, you know, when I saw Nora

463
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,800
in Toronto, I think we had hopes
that like, OK, this movie won

464
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,960
the Palm Door and it's playing
like gangbusters in Toronto.

465
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,040
We had hopes that it might be
one of the 10 Best picture

466
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,880
nominees.
I don't think anyone thought

467
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,440
then that this was going to be
the film to beat.

468
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,160
So Indora winning five Oscars
tonight.

469
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,600
I, I, I don't think any of those
are narrative wins.

470
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,480
I think those are just purely
merit.

471
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,920
Like this is the film that
people like the best.

472
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,560
And I, for whatever my one
opinion is worth, I think it

473
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
really is that good.
And then the brutalist.

474
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,680
You know, I'm one of the people
who doesn't think the final 40

475
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,480
minutes or so of the movie hold
together in the way that I wish

476
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,680
it did.
But.

477
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000
I still think that that movie is
quite an achievement, and that's

478
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,640
one that I feel like cinephiles
and film school people will

479
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,200
really talk about it, remember
for years and years to come.

480
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,040
And there will be people citing
the brutal as 20 years from now

481
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,680
as the reason they wanted to
become a filmmaker.

482
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Daniel Zwayo, I can't thank you
enough for joining me at 11:30

483
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,920
at night.
Where can people find you as you

484
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240
start to prognosticate about
next year's Oscars?

485
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Well, I have a big piece for The
Ringer that's in the works and

486
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440
should post toward the end of
next week.

487
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,840
I don't know how much I can
spoil it.

488
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,960
It is not about this year's
Oscars, but it is about it is

489
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,720
sort of about the Oscars as a
broader concept.

490
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,880
And that is theoretically going
to post Thursday, if that's

491
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,840
that's the hope, if I can get it
done in time.

492
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,920
And after that, you should find
me on Blue Sky at Third Man

493
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Movies.
You can also, I suppose, find me

494
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,920
on Twitter.
Although one of my goals that

495
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,920
I've been promising my wife for
a long time is that I will

496
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,240
delete my Twitter account a week
from tomorrow.

497
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,160
That I wanted to get through
this Oscar cycle.

498
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840
And I want to get through my Big
Ringer Project posting.

499
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,880
And then I was going to finally
leave Twitter for good.

500
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,920
So find me on Twitter for the
next week.

501
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320
After that, find me on Blue Sky.
There you go.

502
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,080
Daniels, Wyo, everybody, Thanks
again for joining us, man.

503
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
We're going to throw over to an
interview with our friends from

504
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,560
Film Land Spirits, because what
goes better with the Oscars than

505
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Film Land?
So stay tuned for that one right

506
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:44,000
after this break.
All right, Brad, that's our wrap

507
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,160
up on the Oscars.
Thanks so much for all of your

508
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
input on that.
As always, Brad, really

509
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720
appreciate.
The insights I have so much to

510
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
offer.
I was going to like start

511
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,040
humming pomp and circumstance or
something because I don't

512
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,960
actually know what the song
what.

513
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,160
What's the song that they use to
pull people off?

514
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,280
I don't know, I think they they
play different movie themes to

515
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,600
try to make it feel lighter and
you know what I mean?

516
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,960
Dude, All right, so that's, you
know how you have like a walk up

517
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,760
song for baseball?
What is your theme song you want

518
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,600
played when your Oscar speech
goes on too long?

519
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,000
Oh.
It's got to be the Jurassic

520
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,440
Park.
That's exactly what I was.

521
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Thinking.
Just to like, make me start

522
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680
marching off the stage in time.
Yeah, that's.

523
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,000
Perfect.
I literally asked that question

524
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,000
with that song in.
Mind, you know me too well, man.

525
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,920
And Brad, if you know me too
well, then you also know that I

526
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,240
can't make it through an episode
without drinking whiskey.

527
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,400
So we're here today catching up
with our friend Troy Belotnik

528
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320
from Film Land Spirits.
Folks, if you've been listening

529
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,600
to the podcast for any length of
time, then you will remember

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,640
that Film Land has been on here,
what, 2-3 Times Now?

531
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,440
We try to have you guys on about
once a year and you came back,

532
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,920
dare I say, Brad, with a pun
here in full force this time

533
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280
around.
I love it.

534
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,480
Troy, how are you, man?
I'm great guys.

535
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800
How you doing?
Doing good, Troy.

536
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,120
We're going to kick it off right
away.

537
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:12,040
What is your get off the stage
after winning an Oscar song?

538
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,920
First, I was going to say the
Raiders theme, but I really

539
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,680
think it's probably Darth
Vader's theme.

540
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360
Oh, yeah, let's go.
That's a great choice.

541
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,480
Just sounds like someone's going
to creep up behind you if you

542
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,840
don't get off the stage.
Yeah.

543
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,320
So, Troy, catch us up a little
bit on Film LAND.

544
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Like I said, it's been about a
year since we've talked to you

545
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,640
guys.
What is new in Film Land and

546
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,360
what are we going to be sipping
on today?

547
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,000
Because you definitely did send
us both a bottle as well.

548
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,000
Yeah, absolutely.
So new in film land.

549
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,640
I mean, there's amazing new
things happening almost every

550
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,080
day, if not every day.
We are in what you know, most

551
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920
people would call a growth stage
when you're a startup company.

552
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,680
So we've been on the market
almost 2 1/2 years.

553
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,800
We are adding States and markets
like crazy right now.

554
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,520
So we're as of today, we're up
to 13.

555
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,720
If I come back in September, we
should be over 20.

556
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Wow.
And so it's so it's really

557
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840
accelerated growth is what's
going on right now.

558
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,400
So we are New York and New
Jersey will come on in March.

559
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,240
That's huge additions, man.
Yeah.

560
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Georgia in April, Pennsylvania
in April or May with a couple of

561
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,320
our products with our rye and
then we're on the verge of going

562
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,680
into states.
You know, no promises, but like

563
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Texas,
Missouri, all of them are on the

564
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,320
list and being actively
discussed.

565
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Just just make us a promise,
Troy.

566
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Get into Ohio before Michigan.
Ohio is the white whale.

567
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Everyone knows that.
We're all chasing Ohio here.

568
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,960
Yes, we, we are literally
pursuing both at the same time

569
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
and, and you know, I've been
getting fingerprinted a lot.

570
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,040
That's fun.
It is.

571
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360
I never would have thought of
like that side of the, like the

572
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,840
that element of the business
side.

573
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,800
The compliance is very, we're
not going to bore your

574
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,960
listeners, but the compliance
part, it's very complex and it's

575
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,760
different for every single
state.

576
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,400
And so some states want like ink
fingerprints, others do live

577
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,480
scans, some just you don't want
me to sign a paper.

578
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,600
It's it's really tedious but
fascinating.

579
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Swab your cheek, give blood.
Yeah, it's really the list goes

580
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720
on.
This is this is nowhere on that

581
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000
level.
But as an ordained minister, the

582
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,920
state of Ohio requires, it's
very simple, but in order to do

583
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,600
weddings, you just have to like
send in some paperwork and it's

584
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,840
like a $10 fee.
I was living in Kentucky for

585
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,400
grad school and a friend wanted
me to perform their wedding down

586
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400
there.
And so I called the local like

587
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320
City Hall and I was like, hey,
I'm just curious, like what I

588
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,120
have to do to get authorized to
do weddings.

589
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
And this lady just goes, well,
you, you got yourself a license,

590
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,920
right?
And I was like, yeah, I do.

591
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,560
She goes, ah, you're fine.
Don't worry about.

592
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,480
It I.
Was like, hi, welcome to

593
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Kentucky, I guess.
Even the $10 fee is is asking

594
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,960
too much.
All right guys, So if you

595
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
remember anything about Film
Land, we rant and rave about

596
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Film Land all the time because
Brad, for my money, may be the

597
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
best custom bottles in the whole
industry.

598
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,360
For.
Like, I mean like first of all,

599
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,760
I love a weighty bottle and this
thing has some heft to it, that

600
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,920
is true, but you.
Can't murder a man with a

601
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,120
bottle.
Like what are you doing?

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040
It's got like the film
perforations along the bottom

603
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520
here.
Troy, I know that we've made you

604
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,920
talk about these bottles before,
but maybe as a segue into

605
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,400
talking about the specific
bottle we're we're discussing

606
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,200
today, which is called
Quadraforce.

607
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Tell us a little bit about this
blend, but then also, you know,

608
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880
remind our listeners of the
process that you guys go through

609
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,520
to get these beautiful bottles
made.

610
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,400
Sure.
So we, you know, we start by

611
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,120
creating an original script for
every one of our products and

612
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520
it's one that pays homage to the
B movies of the mid 20th

613
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800
century, like robots and
monsters, big over the top

614
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,120
characters and plots.
Then we create a poster for that

615
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,240
script in that mid 20th century
pulp art style.

616
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,200
And we always like to try and
make them bright and very

617
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640
eye-catching.
And that becomes the label, you

618
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720
know, and then the rest of the
label has the character

619
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320
headshots and their BIOS.
And then the other side of the

620
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,560
label, we talk about our
award-winning liquid, like who

621
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120
we are, what it's made from.
You know, we try and get the

622
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,320
mash bill, the char, the barrel,
as much as we can possibly put

623
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,680
on there, whatever.
We're not limited by any kind of

624
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520
contractual obligation or
anything.

625
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200
The bottle itself, which you
have mentioned is custom and the

626
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240
bottle is meant to be sort of
like the Art Deco movie theater

627
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,800
from like the 30s and 40s where,
you know, the bottle is that

628
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,800
like really cool proscenium.
But that you know, in the in the

629
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,880
movie theater, you're the
proscenium is surrounding the

630
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,160
star, which is the screen in the
movie hours, that proscenium is

631
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320
surrounding the star, which is
the label and the liquid.

632
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,920
So it's meant to evoke various
aspects of film.

633
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440
So the closure is a combination
of a film reel and a film can.

634
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120
And as you mentioned, the bottom
is meant to represent like cells

635
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560
of film, like the original
Kinetoscope, like the Edison

636
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,640
with the horse running in a
circle and think things like

637
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
that.
So now the particular release

638
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,040
that we have here today is
called Quadraforce.

639
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Behold the blend.
Of four.

640
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640
Sorry.
I just ruined your tagline.

641
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000
No, that's OK, I'll do it again.
Quadraforce.

642
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Behold, the blend of four.
So Quadraforce was an idea that

643
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040
I had before Filmland was
Filmland.

644
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,520
When I was coming up with like
Rise of the Robots and all that

645
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,080
kind of thing, I knew one day I
wanted to do this product.

646
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,240
I didn't know what the liquid
was going to be and I didn't

647
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,400
have the full concept, but I
knew it was going to be a

648
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,240
superhero story and I knew it
was going to have multiple

649
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,640
heroes in it.
So what Quadraforce is, it's

650
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
technically a blend of straight
bourbon whiskeys and we made it

651
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,840
by combining 4 different
straight bourbon whiskeys

652
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,360
originally distilled in four
different states.

653
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,440
And the result is actually a
four grain weeded bourbon.

654
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080
So there's literally like when
I'm tasting people on this, I

655
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,239
like to say you have literally
never tasted this bourbon has

656
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920
never been made before.
There's never been a bourbon

657
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,760
like this before.
There probably will never be one

658
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
again because I don't even know
if I can get that liquid again.

659
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,800
But we did that.
We put it together and then what

660
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,080
we did is since Quadraforce is
the story of four heroes, we

661
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,159
created four different versions
of the label.

662
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,080
So it's the same liquid in all
the bottles, but each of the

663
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,480
four labels represents the city
or state of distillation.

664
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,520
And one of the four Quadraforce
heroes are pictured on the

665
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,760
front.
So you have Cali Comet is the

666
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,960
Los Angeles edition, You have
Kentucky Anna's the Louisville

667
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,239
edition, Tennessee Terra is the
Nashville edition.

668
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
And then the 4th character is
called Mr. Misteron, and pretty

669
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,280
much everything about him is a
mystery.

670
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,920
We don't know his secret
identity.

671
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,600
We even his powers, they're
constantly changing every time

672
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,600
he tries to use them.
So we don't know his state of

673
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,520
origin or his state of
distillation.

674
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,200
And we're gonna say we, like
you, also don't know where this

675
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,120
whiskey comes from.
I'm not sure if that would be

676
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,720
legal, but no, I know where it
comes from.

677
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600
But we thought, you know,
certain times we get whiskey and

678
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,360
we're not allowed to say where
it comes from.

679
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040
It's just it's a contractual
thing.

680
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Some distilleries, they only
want their name on stuff that's

681
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,640
their brand.
So they forbid us from saying

682
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,800
it, which is OK.
So we thought this time, well,

683
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,400
since we can't say where it's
from, why don't we make it part

684
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560
of the fun?
And so we designed that

685
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960
character to represent the
mystery bourbon that's in the

686
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,000
blend.
That's awesome.

687
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,920
Is this your guys's first 4
grain whiskey?

688
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,760
Yes, that's exciting.
Yeah.

689
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040
And we didn't set out to make a
four grain, honestly, we set out

690
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,760
to make this blend of four.
And at the last minute when we

691
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680
found the California bourbon, it
turned out to be a weeded

692
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,160
bourbon.
And by blending in the weeded

693
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,520
bourbon, it became A4 grain and
a weeded bourbon.

694
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, I mean it, it worked out

695
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,520
very fortuitously for you guys
here.

696
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,680
But I'll also say, Brad, we just
recorded a review last night,

697
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Troy, and I was talking about
how it was a very middle of the

698
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,920
road bourbon.
And I meant that in the best way

699
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,520
possible because I would say for
the last 12 to 18 months, 4 out

700
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
of every five bourbons were
being sent now are finished in

701
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,520
something or blended with
something.

702
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920
And it just, it feels a little
too gimmicky sometimes.

703
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,240
And it is so nice to just put my
nose into this glass right now

704
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,040
and just smell classic weeded
bourbon notes on this.

705
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,880
Brad, I am like in heaven just
nosing this thing.

706
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Yeah, absolutely, man.
I for me, the the wheat comes

707
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,800
through, but there's enough of
the wryness from the the rye

708
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,400
secondary bourbons that like you
get a little bit of that peppery

709
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,240
kind of minty vibe underneath
that like cherry cola that you

710
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,400
get from the wheat.
I like I am highly digging this

711
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,640
mixture.
Specifically, this blend better

712
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,360
with the mixture of of of mash
bills is the.

713
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Word there it is.
You'll find it eventually, man.

714
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,720
So this is clocking in at 94
proof once again, kind of

715
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,320
bucking trends in the industry.
Like it sounds funny to say that

716
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,360
like doing a lower proof bourbon
is bucking trends.

717
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080
But right now it feels like
everybody's going for something

718
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,000
called foolproof or barrel proof
or cask strength.

719
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,560
And you know, once again, it's
like this is a really enjoyable,

720
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,160
easy to drink.
I I would call it like your

721
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,160
daily drinker, Brad.
You you know, we were introduced

722
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,160
to a term a few months back by a
good friend of show, David

723
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,240
Thomas Tau.
This baby's crushable.

724
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,480
This is a very crushable I.
Could crush this whiskey man

725
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,840
well.
Let's let's go ahead, Troy,

726
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,720
sorry.
I was going to say it has become

727
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,440
my favorite of what we have
done.

728
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,320
And I know that'll, you know,
that varies and obviously it's

729
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,080
it's the latest for us.
So it's.

730
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,680
So I'm not gonna lie, man, I'm
still pretty partial to your

731
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,280
rise of the robots.
Rise of the Robots was good and

732
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,800
that was the first one we tried.
I'm, I think I'm with Troy.

733
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,720
This is the best thing I've had
from you guys so far.

734
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,640
You guys really knocked it out
of the park on this one, man.

735
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,200
It's so unique and so different.
Was a huge risk for us right,

736
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,080
because you can we can blend in
small amounts to create test

737
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,080
batches, but it changes when you
put it all in and when you're

738
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,960
working with you know the same
you know 30 barrels or 10

739
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560
barrels or 15 or whatever it was
of the same exact liquid you, we

740
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,040
know what moonlight mayhem is
going to taste like when after

741
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,200
we make a test batch right This
we knew what it tasted like in

742
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,160
the beaker but when we when it
came time to blend it all

743
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,160
together it was a huge risk and
it paid off fortunately.

744
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,480
Absolutely.
All right, Well, let's pivot a

745
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,920
little bit away from the
whiskey.

746
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,000
I want to talk a little bit
about movies as we've got the

747
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,760
Film land guy on here.
Now, I know that you're a busy

748
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,720
man, Troy.
So of the nominees this year, of

749
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,200
which we've just discussed, but
we're recording this before the

750
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Oscars, I'm going to give you
the chance to be both

751
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Nostradamus here and to just be
Troy.

752
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,600
What do you think is going to
win Best Picture this year?

753
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,520
And well, first of all, I guess
how many of you seen, have you

754
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,840
seen any of the nominees this
year?

755
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,320
I have seen one of them.
I I am.

756
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,000
I've been extremely busy.
I, I travel more than I'm home

757
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,120
for the business at this time.
And so it is a little tough to

758
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,800
get to the theater ever.
And a lot of the movies that are

759
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,400
up for Best Picture, the ones
I've heard of anyway, you can't

760
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,720
even stream them yet.
Right.

761
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,240
So and, and it's funny, I was
before I came on, I was like,

762
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,640
what are the last movies I've
seen?

763
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,680
So I went to my phone to see the
purchases I made and the most

764
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,360
recent movie I saw was was
Captain America because my son

765
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,640
and I are Marvel nerds and we
always go see them together.

766
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,440
Before that, the last movie I
saw in the theater was

767
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Wolverine, Deadpool, and and
before that the last movie I saw

768
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,080
in the theater was one I talked
to you guys about, which was

769
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Godzilla.
Yeah, oh man.

770
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Yeah.
So that is it for the.

771
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Theater.
And then what's really funny,

772
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520
you look at my phone and it
shows, oh, I booked tickets to

773
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,120
see June 2.
Cancelled.

774
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,520
I booked it again.
Cancelled.

775
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,640
I booked it again.
Oh, I booked tickets to see a

776
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,760
complete unknown cancel.
Did it again 'cause these are

777
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,480
the movies I really wanted to
see and just every time

778
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,440
something comes up and and I
haven't been able to see it.

779
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,120
So I have seen Dune, although I
cancelled that in the theater

780
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
like three times and ended up
streaming it at home.

781
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Dune 2, I should say, and I love
it.

782
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480
I mean, I love both Dune movies.
I'm a huge fan of them.

783
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:38,920
As if it makes you feel any
better Troy.

784
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,640
I also have only seen Dune 2 so
I'm.

785
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,200
I'm with you man, life is busy.
Right.

786
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,880
I've heard of a few of the
others, like Amelia Perez and

787
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,160
Wicked, of course, but I haven't
seen any of them.

788
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Obviously, I have not been to
the movies in in quite some

789
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,320
time, except for Captain
America.

790
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Well.
Then maybe, maybe the better way

791
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,080
to do it is whether it was on
streaming or in the theater.

792
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,120
What was your personal favorite
movie of 2024?

793
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Well, it definitely has to be
Dune 2 'cause it's one of the

794
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,360
only few movies that I've
actually seen.

795
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,600
I'd have to go back and think
about what I watched in in

796
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160
streaming.
But no, I've watched Dune 2

797
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,560
probably like 10 times 'cause
I'll get, you know, I'm on the

798
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,880
plane so much and I'll just turn
it on and watch it again and you

799
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,600
hear and see new things.
In fact, I loved it so much I

800
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
read the first two Dune books,
which I'd never read.

801
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,400
Oh wow, I I'm actually in a
similar place.

802
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,120
I haven't started them yet, but
my buddy has all the Dune books

803
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,840
and I'm I'm like, I'm ready.
I think I'm ready.

804
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
I'm ready to take the plunge.
Yeah, I'm very concerned about

805
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,440
Dune 3.
Yeah, it's going to get weird.

806
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,960
That's I I haven't read the
books, but all I know is like,

807
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,280
things are about to get real
weird and the Academy should

808
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,280
have awarded Dune 2 when it had
the chance because it's it's

809
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,880
it's hit or miss whether this
one's actually going to be good.

810
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Denny is going to pull it off,
man.

811
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,440
I think so.
Oh ye of little faith.

812
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,000
And, and I really, I wanted to
see the complete unknown so

813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
badly.
I'm a huge Bruce Springsteen fan

814
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:16,080
and so by extension Dylan fan.
And so I was like, I'm going to

815
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,160
watch it this weekend before I
come on the podcast and it's

816
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,640
just not available to stream
anywhere.

817
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,280
It became available today.
Aw, man.

818
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120
So I even said to my girlfriend,
I go if I can, I'm going to play

819
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,200
hooky and I'm going to watch it
before and I couldn't do it.

820
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,320
We forgive you, man, because
honestly, when you come up with

821
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000
something as good as
Quadraforce, all of your efforts

822
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,600
have paid off.
So Troy, first of all, thank you

823
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,160
for sending us these bottles.
Thank you for appearing once

824
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,440
again on our show.
Tell us a little bit more about

825
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,520
what's coming down the Pike for
Film Land and where we can find

826
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,920
you.
Sure.

827
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,960
Well, you can find us at
filmlinespirits.com and we ship

828
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,800
to 46 states from there.
As I mentioned, we're also in 13

829
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,680
states.
So a lot of the West,

830
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:01,080
California, Washington, Arizona,
Nevada, Kentucky, Kansas, we're

831
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,960
in total wines in all those
states.

832
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,560
We're in Liquor Barn all
throughout Kentucky.

833
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,320
So really, you know, very common
kind of places you can go and

834
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,400
shop in terms of what's coming
down the line.

835
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,200
We have two new products that
are coming this year.

836
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,400
I can't talk about either of
them.

837
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280
They're both pretty much ready.
But I can't talk about them

838
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,200
because we haven't decided 100%
which one's coming in the spring

839
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,480
and which one's coming in the
fall.

840
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,360
And if I say one or the other,
then my team is going to get

841
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,640
really mad at me that I just
unilaterally made a decision.

842
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,000
But it's, it's I'm very excited.
Both are unique and different

843
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,760
than anything we've done before
in a lot of different ways.

844
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,160
And I'm, I'm super excited for
them.

845
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,560
So one of them is going to be in
the spring and 1:00 will be, you

846
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
know, late summer or fall.
Well, thank you again, Troy

847
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Belotnik from Film Land Spirits.
Brad, this wraps up our Oscars

848
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:58,400
recap 2025.
Man, I'm ready to go to bed.

849
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,560
I'm not going to lie to you,
man.

850
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,560
It's it's a late night for us
folks.

851
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,760
What we're going to do, because
this is a Sunday night posting,

852
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,160
you'll probably hear this on
Monday morning when you wake up.

853
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,720
We're going to take a couple
days off.

854
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:12,080
Our next new episode will come
out this Wednesday instead of

855
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Tuesday, so tune in for that
one.

856
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,280
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

857
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,960
And we'll see you next time.