Moonrise Kingdom / Wilderness Trail Small Batch

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In 2012, director, Wes Anderson
gave the world, an ethereal

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foray into the world of first
love in 2022.

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We take a trip to a small
Kentucky.

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Distillery, the film is Moonrise
Kingdom.

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The whiskey is Wilderness Trail
small batch and we'll review

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them both.
Yes is the filming whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at
director, Wes Anderson's 2012

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comedy Moonrise Kingdom.
Brad.

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We are recording this episode at
9:45 in the morning and I feel

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like I feel like are sultry,
sounding voices, reflects.

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The fact that we both just woke
up.

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Yeah, just sit just a little bit
ago man.

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Yeah it's not my favorite thing
in the world but we will Soldier

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on for the sake of our
listeners.

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Does your voice tend to crack in
the morning.

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Brad it does get a little more
crackly crunchy kind of if I try

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to go into like a lower lower
register.

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If you will, it gets a little
bit pubescent almost.

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No.
Well, it fits the material.

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So it'll be perfect.
It'll be a nice somatic thing.

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We have going on here today.
Yeah.

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So we're in the middle of three
movies by director, Wes

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Anderson, to go along with Royal
Tenenbaums, which we did a few

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seasons ago.
Brad.

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What's your impression of Wes
Anderson, thus far?

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Having now seen three of his
movies, you know?

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I feel like you'll probably have
a pretty good sense of his

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visual style, the pacing of his
films.

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With the matically, what he
tries to go for.

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Do you feel like this movie fit
in with the rest of the West

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Anderson movies, or was this
more of an outlier for you?

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I think that it fits in
stylistically, he's still Wes

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Anderson.
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It feels like he normally deals
with adults who have adult

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problems.
So this one definitely feels

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like a little bit of a jump, but
at the same time, his child

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characters.
Literally no different than any

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of his adult characters right in
their Oddities and how

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specifically strange they are.
So I honestly know, it doesn't

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really feel that much different
for me than any of his other

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films.
I've seen a lot of people say

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that this is his most kind of
sentimental movie and I think

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that there's definitely some
sentimentality in this movie and

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it is ultimately a very sweet
movie, but I just wonder if

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people say that automatically
because it's a movie about kids

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and not have Movie about adults.
Yeah, 100%.

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And I think I mean, there is a
Sentimental feel to it like the

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entire movie is shot in just
about a sepia tone, hmm.

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You know to represent the 60s
70s without you know, whatever

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are there in?
I think it's 1965, that's it.

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Yep, yeah.
So it definitely I think if

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anything the color palette makes
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anything else and just you know,
people don't do Boy Scouts much.

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More apologies to all of our
listeners who are like Eagle

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Scouts, right?
And so I think that even that

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just like putting him as a part
of a sorry, a khaki Scout Troop

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right?
I think that that is like a

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Nostalgia inducing type of thing
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Yeah.
And but at the same time I think

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that this movie maybe more than
any of the other ones we've done

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so far.
Has that sort of classic Wes

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Anderson Melancholy running
through it like there is just a

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perv Evasive sense of sadness in
this movie.

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I mean, Royal Tenenbaums, is
there to I've, like, everyone in

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that movie is sad for the whole
movie, but this is a movie where

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I think I really love it because
at the end of the day, I am a

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sucker for sentiment and I am a
sucker for Happy Endings and,

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you know, we will talk spoilers
in this episode, but I like a

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movie where characters can go
through the sadness and come out

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the other side and still be able
to put their lives back together

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and this movie does that?
And it works for me, man.

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I don't know if it works.
You this is one of my favorite

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Wes Anderson films.
Yeah I think that from the Royal

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Tenenbaums to this.
The daughter in Tenenbaums feels

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very similar to the main girl
character in this.

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I thought about that unlike she
is just a 12 year old version of

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Margot Tenenbaum.
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Right down to the eye makeup.
Mmm hundred percent.

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Yeah so I think it's still Wes
Anderson like like very clearly

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All right man, well, let's do
this.

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Since it was your first time
seeing the film, we're going to

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segue into America's favorite
segment, which we call, Brad

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explains.
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Brad.
Let's get into Brad explains the

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part of the podcast where you
will break down the Lot of the

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movie that you've just seen
often for the first time, we've

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put 60 seconds on the clock.
Can you explain to our

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listeners?
The plot of Moonrise Kingdom.

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Salmon, Suzy are two young
children in the 1960s who fall

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in love.
They meet at a kids play version

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of Noah and the Ark they become
pen pals.

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They fall in love and they make
a plan to escape their terrible

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lives.
Sam is a foster child and Use

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the as a problem child for her
parents, the movie follows them

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as they escape on this island.
The parents are trying to find

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them with the help of Sam's Boy
Scout.

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Sorry.
Khaki Scout Troop led by the

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inept Edward Norton and they get
caught.

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And they fall in love.
Oh, and then Bruce Willis

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adopts. / Foster's Sam.
There you go.

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He's a junior jr.
Policeman.

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There you go.
Yeah.

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There you go, man.
That's it.

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All right, Brad.
Let's go ahead and talk about

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the performances in this movie.
It's where we usually start

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here, and this movie really is
anchored by to child performers.

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Jared Gilman as Sam, Kara,
Hayward as Susie, I'll let you

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pick, who do you want to talk
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Let's start with care Hayward.
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For it.
I think I think she's absolutely

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fascinating.
He asks her to do a lot with her

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performance and I would say, for
the most part she's like B to B

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plus.
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There's a there's a few moments
where you can tell that she's a.

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She's a child delivering lines
that she memorized, but for the

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most part she just has the
angsty like sixteen-year-old

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look but she's only 12 and at
work.

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Works for, for what?
He's asking her to do.

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Yeah.
I think with both of these

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performers, you know, they're
not known for being the greatest

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child actors of all time, Jared
Gilman, especially as like, he's

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really cool to follow on
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He's in film school now and he's
has really cool opinions on

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movies but neither one of these
child actors went on to like

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really extended Movie careers.
Kara Hayward has been in a few

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things but I think what Wes
Anderson does so well with both

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of them is he finds actors who
are just at that Perfect place

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in there, like Child
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or pubescence that it's like
they're kind of gangly.

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They're kind of not, they kind
of look older than they are.

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And then in the next scene, they
look like a little kid.

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They behave older than they are
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little kid.
It's just like a perfect

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marriage of material to like
where these kids actually are in

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their physical development.
I don't know if that makes

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sense, but that's what worked
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I think best about the
performances was how believable

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it was just because you could
tell both of these kids are

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going through that phase of
growing up and you have Sam you

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know played by Jared Gilman who
he feels like he's the leader of

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this.
Khaki Scout Troop like you know

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Edward Norton his troop
Commander even says like that

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he's the best at like all the
practical skills and yet he's

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the worst Scout that they have
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And and so there's this sense.
At both of the child actors are

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asked to be adults in a world
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be.
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story development, it they're
just really interesting

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characters and their they're
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that you get a picture of what
her life is like and the the

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frustration of her parents life,
spilling over onto her as the

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oldest child and then you get a
picture of his life as a father.

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Foster child, who is unwanted
with as an orphan and and their

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their motivations.
Just fully makes sense in this

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movie.
Yeah.

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Well, and I think this is what
Wes Anderson does really well.

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Because people always tend to
point out, the sort of, like,

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Whimsical, Twee things that he
does, and how his movies have

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this sort of like, fascinating,
you know, what's the word I used

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last week?
Festivity is Miss to it.

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Mmm, but he's always underlying
it with really compelling

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character, motivations and arcs,
and You know, here you've got

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hers.
Like you just said her side of

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the story where her parents her
mom, is clearly having an affair

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with somebody that she is aware
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Dad is Awakening to that fact
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about it.
She's lashing out because of her

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home life and they're taking it
out on her by calling her a

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troubled child.
And then you've got him who is

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even less understood.
Like she thinks she understands

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his situation, his parents have
died and he has that great line

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where he just tells her.
Like, I love you but you have no

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idea what you're talking.
Talking about.

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And I just, I really love that
within all of the Wes Anderson,

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you know, I chuckle at how silly
this is and how precise these

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things are that are happening
that and supposedly the real

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world, there are some really
dramatic steaks going on under

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the surface.
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And I think that the sound
design really helps with that.

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Like the, the score for this
movie is really like hauntingly

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beautiful.
And it's paired with some really

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great Rafi, what?
You know, we talked about the

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color palette a little while
ago, as they Trek around this

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island, it's just beautiful.
Like the the music like is

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intriguing and interesting and
the the shots of the island is

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there walking across.
It are just absolutely gorgeous.

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And so I really love the way
Anderson tells a story visually

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and auditorily as well as what
his characters are doing on

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screen.
Like he really marries it all

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together in a Beautiful way.
I was reading an essay about

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this movie and it was talking
about how the Brilliance of the

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movie is that this isn't a movie
about loss of Innocence, as it

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is about how these young people
are gaining.

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The intelligence that they're
entering into a world that is

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hostile or indifferent to them.
And I really love that, because

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so many Coming of Age movies,
are they tried?

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And they try to manipulate you,
they try to make you cry because

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these kids are Growing up and
they're losing their innocence,

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or whatever this movie.
It really deals more with that,

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sort of like the crushing
realization.

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That I'm not a kid anymore.
And what I am entering into what

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I'm becoming aware of around.
Me is actually like really sad

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and really hard to deal with and
it's really embodied by Susie

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having this conversation with
her mom when she's first rescued

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and her mom's giving her a bath
and she's telling around my

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hate.
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Her mom is saying like, you
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she's like I absolutely do.
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and it comes down to her saying,
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she just says he's not dumb and
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like Bruce Willis is a really
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everybody in this movie,
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this The you can tell has this
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sense of longing and I think the
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He's setting these kids up as
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stand against what's looming
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where they're going to become
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everybody else.
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planning their escape from that.
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really great way to structure a
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Well, in on top of the idea of
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human for any amount of time
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something of like a trap.
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island that until you build a
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something to be able to get off
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Like there's only so much space
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on an island of the, the Khaki
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Setting up camp there for the
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trapped in this future where
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going to end up as the the Khaki
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and Susie is going to end up
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in a place where she doesn't
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movie.
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talking about the adult, you
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here.
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from like least important to the
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Jason Schwartzman, who shows up
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really funny little performance
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who functions kind of as, as
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of the movie, making his second
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Close Encounters of Weeks ago
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either of them, they are,
they're great.

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I love having them in the movie,
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impact on the movie.
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going on there.
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the word for once.
He is like the embodiment of Wes

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Anderson's quirkiness, you know?
He and I think he does a

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phenomenal job with it, but he
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ton.
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that his name is narrator.
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character's.
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I left.
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herself as that to.
This is social services.

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Everyone just calls her.
How you doing up there?

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Social Services?
Yeah, yep, you know what movie,

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this reminded me of Bob.
What's that?

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They like halfway through the
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I was like, oh, this is like the
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wilderbe.
Eat people.

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Oh, that's a great comparison.
Oh, you should have saved that

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for our make this a double
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Shoot here.
Sit down sit on that will come,

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will come back to it at the end
because I think that's a really,

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really great comparison.
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main thing that clicked for me
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this feels very similar to
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world or people.
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In this movie, I think that like
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on the phone with Bruce Willis
and, and Edward Norton and her

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facial reactions to the things
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funny.
Be like this for being such a

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sad movie.
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silliest moments in a Wes
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broad comedy.
You know, there's a scene where

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they first find out that Jared
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other khaki Scouts and then
they're like, you know, we

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should take weapons with us and
then they just cut to a shot of

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a kid that has like a club with
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And they're all walking through
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arrow and just like incredibly
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Weapons and that comes back at
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they're all trapped in this
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And Social Services is saying
like I'm going to go get this

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kid at all of a sudden.
They cut to Bruce Willis and he

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holds up that same Club.
Just says, nobody's going

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anywhere and I laughed.
I laughed so hard at that moment

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because it came out of nowhere.
Then it was such a great call

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back to earlier in the movie.
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especially her character is just
so weird and and evil for no

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reason that she is.
Is kind of free to just walk

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around and do whatever she
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And I just it is such a pleasant
performance to me because I just

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get, it's like, it makes me
giddy to watch her in this

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movie.
Yeah, I think that she is like,

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just a very small kind of a bit
role in this and she just plays

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it to Perfection.
It's kind of the example of when

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you get a pretty big name actor
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they almost like, take over that
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you're like, man, like, how did
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So good to do something?
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And I love that they're in it
and I think that that's Tilda

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Swinton in this movie and on the
flip side, you've got Frances

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McDormand.
Who is one of our great living

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actresses?
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who I feel is really
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And it's not just that she
underplays her role which she

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does and it's very subtle
performance, but I she's just

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not in the movie very much and I
kept expecting her to be kind of

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a more major presence throughout
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And she's just not, and it's
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think the overall effect with
the way that she plays the

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character and then the fact that
she's not used very much almost

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makes me forget that she's in
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honest.
Yeah, I think that her she has

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like two scenes where she is the
main focus when she's talking to

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Bruce Willis and kind of
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And then when she's talking to
Suzy, as she's giving her a bath

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after they bring her back from
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interacting maybe with Sam for
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Like I could just imagine a
world where just one more scene

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where she has like 2 or 3
minutes of screen time and just

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gets to be Frances mcdorman,
like would have risen her to the

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importance level that I think
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Well and then her husband is
Bill Murray, who is playing his

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trademark Sad Sack, Wes
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ER, here and what I've really
loved about watching the three

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Wes Anderson's that we've done
for the show.

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So far is the variations on the
depressed, male character that

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he plays in each of these
movies, because this is kind of

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similar to his Royal Tenenbaums
character, where he finds out

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that Margot is having numerous
Affairs and is just gross

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through the whole movie.
But I think this is also the one

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where he seems like the
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Like there's just a level of
rage and anger, underlying

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everything.
Does in this movie and it makes

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for a really interesting
character.

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I also don't know that I love
his character in this movie.

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I don't think you're supposed
to, you know what I mean?

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But yeah, I didn't really enjoy
spending any amount of time with

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Susie's parents.
They just didn't add a lot to

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the movie to me, and they gave
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I know, I said that Frances
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that much, but comparatively, I
felt like they tried to kind of

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balance the scales a little bit
between figures in Sam's life

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and figures and Susie's life but
the figures In Sam's life were

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so much more interesting to me.
And and Susie's parents just

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weren't.
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I think that Edward Norton's
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He was probably my favorite
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Yeah.
But I'm with you on Bill Murray.

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They it's not that it's bad
performances, it's just that

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they Place.
Sad Sack lawyers and we already

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know how much I love lawyers
after the marriage Story

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episode.
So yeah, they're just kind of

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annoying and Are unaware of the
world around them and it feels

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like the as the adults in the
situation, they should be the

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ones who are caring for their
daughters needs.

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And they're not, they suck at it
and obviously they're written to

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be that way.
I understand that.

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But at a certain level it just
kind of gets annoying to watch.

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All right, let's transition to
talking about these last two

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figures.
Edward Norton, as scoutmaster

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Ward and Bruce Willis, as police
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And they're both incredible and
it's really funny because I feel

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like you could make a case that
either one of them steals the

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movie and you'd be right, and
it's very rare for two people to

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steal a movie together and they
absolutely do it.

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This is one of my very favorite
Bruce Willis performances.

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We've talked about this before
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when he, when he plays a, a
truly lonely and sad, man, he's

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so good.
Good, yeah, he's so good at at,

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at showing the The interiority,
you know what I mean?

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Like you can see that he has
been thinking deeply about how

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sad and lonely he is.
And he doesn't have to say much

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to get that across and I think
honestly this performance

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reminded me a little bit of
really good.

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Clint Eastwood performances,
there's a moment where they're

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sitting in the trailer together,
it's him and Jared Gilman and

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Jared.
Gilman asked some like, were you

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ever in love once?
And he says, yes, I was and he

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said what happened?
And there's a pause and he just

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says, you know, she didn't love
me back.

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Back.
But the way he says it, he gets

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this look on his face that like,
he looks like he's fighting a

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stomach ulcer, like he's like in
pain and it just had Eastwood

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written all over it.
It was exactly the way Eastwood

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would have played this
performance but I'm not saying

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that he's like mimicking, Clint
Eastwood, but I think it reminds

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me of the best performances of
an Eastwood where he's always

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playing like this kind of lonely
figure and Willis just does it

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to Perfection here, Bob, you
know what, I just realized you

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talking.
About Bruce Willis.

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And that scene in the boat with,
with Sam made me realize there's

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a massive similarity between Wes
Anderson and Steven Spielberg

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that I completely overlooked,
what's that?

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They love to give their underage
actors alcohol.

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They sure do man.
We added in Rushmore, we have it

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here and Moonrise Kingdom.
We have it, an e.t.

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It's just like a continual Trope
in these directors of ours.

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I love that.
They make a joke out of it in

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this movie though.
And I Can't remember exactly

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what Bruce Willis says.
But he says something like, you

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know, we've got to find a way to
make you stop doing so many

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dangerous things and then he's
like, you want to split this

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beer with me?
It's like, it's like the next

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life.
Alright.

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Do you have anything else you
want to say about Edward Norton

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before we go to break?
Because I think you're right.

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He's every bit as good as Willis
here and the two of them really

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do walk away with this movie.
Yeah.

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The with Norton, he just plays.
Like what you kind of wish every

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scout leader was like like he
knows what he's Doing and he

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teaches them good skills, but he
also kind of lets them get away

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with a lot.
And I absolutely love the way

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he's written and Norton's
performance is just spectacular

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on top of that.
So in this essay, I was reading.

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They were talking about, you
know, how Sam and Susie are

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running away from this, this
world, where, where parents are

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trying to control them where
every structure around them, all

450
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800
the adults are trying to force
some measure of control on them,

451
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,900
and that it's not that they're
opposed Used to growing up.

452
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:49,800
It's that they're opposed to
being controlled, they just want

453
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,900
to do things the way that they
want to do them.

454
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,200
And I think it's really
exemplified in Edward, Norton's

455
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,500
character, who is probably the
most sympathetic adult character

456
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,600
throughout the movie and, you
know, until you get to the end

457
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,300
with Bruce Willis.
But he's, he has that great

458
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:07,800
scene where after they rescue
Sam and Susie, he goes below

459
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,500
deck and he's talking to Sam.
And he basically tells him like,

460
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,300
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know that your parents

461
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:16,500
had died, it wasn't in the
register and he tells him what?

462
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:20,100
Job he did on his campsite and
it's his way of trying to tell

463
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:21,800
him.
Like I care about you and I

464
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,800
recognize you and I want to
praise you.

465
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,300
But then the way that he the way
he responds to that, his next

466
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,500
line is you really don't want to
be a khaki Scout anymore.

467
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,500
And Sam just says, no and you
can tell Edward Norton does not

468
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,500
understand that.
Like, yep, and what Sam is

469
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:40,600
saying is like, hey man, I like
doing this.

470
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,300
I just I am rebelling against
the idea of being controlled.

471
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,300
I'm rebelling against these
these strictures you're putting

472
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,500
on me and I think it's such a
beautiful moment because they

473
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,800
don't come right out and say it,
but you can see it in the way,

474
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,300
the two characters interact and
you can really tell it in the

475
00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,700
way that that Edward Norton is
giving that performance.

476
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,000
Oh, it's my favorite scene in
the movie and I think you can

477
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,200
tell that Edward Norton.
And that moment is kind of like,

478
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,300
making a bid to be Sam's, father
figure like, hey I have all this

479
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:15,800
to offer you and I like I think
you're really good at this and

480
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,200
it could be a life.
For you and it's once again,

481
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,300
it's Edward Norton, trying to
give purpose to his own life by

482
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,200
giving purpose to someone else's
life, which some people might.

483
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,100
Look at that cynically.
I genuinely think that that's a

484
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:34,400
perfectly fine motivation.
Yeah, yeah I think it's good to

485
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,900
give your children purpose in
life so I love that scene and

486
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:42,600
you can tell that Sam's like
know I've set my course with

487
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,500
Susie and I'm in love with her
and we're going to make it

488
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,500
happen, no matter what.
What It Takes and being a khaki.

489
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,500
Scout does not fall in line with
that.

490
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:54,500
And I just like you said, it's
in the way, the characters

491
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,900
interact with one another, that
that was the most emotional

492
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,200
scene.
Yeah, I mean the whole thing.

493
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,700
Well, and it really underscored
without being mean to any of the

494
00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:05,900
characters that like even the
best intentioned adults can't

495
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:10,000
wrap their brains around a world
without those rules, you know

496
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,200
what I mean?
He was trying as hard as he

497
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,700
still couldn't do it.
So all right, man, I think we're

498
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,300
in a good spot to hit pause
here.

499
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,900
Let's This Wilderness Trail
small-batch bourbon.

500
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

501
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Some whiskey Nation.
Do you ever think about Awards

502
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,500
course he do you drink whiskey
and watch movies which means

503
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,200
that, you know, that nothing is
validated until a group of

504
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,500
random people say hey we love
what you're doing.

505
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,100
The awesome thing about doc
Swensons, whiskey is that it

506
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,800
isn't just some group of schlubs
that are given them Awards.

507
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000
They have been winning attention
from some of the most important

508
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,800
whiskey experts that you can
imagine.

509
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,400
They've been voted best
distillery in Washington.

510
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,900
State by the New York
International Spirits

511
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,000
competition.
They've been voted the best

512
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,300
Independent bottler by the Ascot
Awards, as well as the best

513
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,500
finished bourbon from the Ascot
awards for their La.

514
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,900
Mente exploratory Cask their
exploratory Cask series is where

515
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,700
they release some of the most
fascinating and adventurous

516
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,900
experiments.
If you're ever checking out,

517
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,800
docks line up and see a white
label is a really good chance

518
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,800
that that's the only time you'll
see that bottle.

519
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,900
So make sure you snatch it up.
Doc Swensons has been offering

520
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,500
just phenomenal finished and
Blended.

521
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Excuse for quite some time now,
you can find them online at

522
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,700
Doc's, whisky.com, that's doccs
whisky.com.

523
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,600
All right.
So today we are checking out

524
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,900
Wilderness Trail.
Small batch bottled in bond

525
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:37,900
bourbon, Brad.
Wilderness Trail is a Distillery

526
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,300
located in Danville Kentucky
which was not too far from where

527
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,200
we were living.
When we lived in Kentucky, it

528
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,300
was founded in 2013 and when it
was founded the the two founders

529
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,000
of The Distillery said our first
product will be a bottled in

530
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,200
bond Bourbon and so they sat on
their product for four years and

531
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,400
just sunk all these costs Into
putting out a really good

532
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,200
quality whiskey.
And man, I gotta say, like, what

533
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,300
I've heard about Wilderness
Trail and we've never had their

534
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:09,900
products on the show before.
So I'm really excited is that

535
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,300
they're just doing things the
right way and they're doing

536
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,800
things kind of the hard way and
they're doing it that way on

537
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,700
purpose.
And I really, really love that

538
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,200
about them.
Their whiskey is all sweet Mash

539
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,200
whiskey and I know we've talked
about this before on the

540
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,300
podcast.
Brad.

541
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,600
Do you remember the difference
between sour mash and sweet?

542
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Mash.
I do not at the moment.

543
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,800
All right, so sour mash Is
basically, when you think about

544
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,400
like making sourdough bread, you
have like a starter and it's,

545
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,800
they take a strain of the yeast.
The sour mash from each batch of

546
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800
whiskey that they make and they
put it into the mash of the next

547
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,400
batch.
And because of that, there's

548
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,400
like a consistency it ferments
at the same kind of quality and

549
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200
and I'm probably getting some of
the scientific aspect of it

550
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,900
wrong but it provides
consistency from batch to batch

551
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,400
and they're not doing that.
They're doing a sweet MASH which

552
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,000
means that they're starting with
Completely new set of yeast and

553
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600
fermentation in each batch is
much harder to do, especially

554
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,200
when you're shooting for
consistency.

555
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,800
The only other one that I
remember that we've done on the

556
00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:12,200
show, that is a sweet Mash.
Whiskey is Kentucky Peerless,

557
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000
they do it that way as well.
But Wilderness Trail was doing

558
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,600
it that way a few years before
Peerless came back on the scene.

559
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:23,700
So I love that they are doing
things with like the most labor

560
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,200
involved.
It just because they want to

561
00:30:26,208 --> 00:30:28,300
produce what they think is going
to be the best.

562
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Quality whiskey.
Yeah, I think that there's a

563
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,600
reality where we might not
always acknowledge it because in

564
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,100
the end we just want to drink
good whiskey.

565
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:42,800
But the thing the issue is it
takes hard, work to make good

566
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000
whiskey and you can shortcut the
process, you can do different

567
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,400
things to make it easier and you
can do things like you're saying

568
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,300
with the the type of mash that
you use that you know, everybody

569
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,500
does it like it's not a big deal
to use a sour mash over sweet

570
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,200
Mash.
Like a lot of people do it every

571
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Yeah, I was gonna say everybody
99% of them do it.

572
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Yeah, but the willingness to go
the harder Road earns them some

573
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,400
respect, regardless of what the
product is.

574
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,500
And, you know, having drink it
already, I will say, Bob, a big

575
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,500
fan of the product.
I have not drink it yet.

576
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:17,800
I'm trying it live on air today.
So before we dive in, I will say

577
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:24,300
that the mash bill here is 64
corn 24%, rye and 12%, malted

578
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,100
barley.
So it's a high high Rye Mash

579
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,900
bill.
They also have a heated Mash

580
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,200
bill, which we're not going to
get a chance to try this season.

581
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,500
That's it's like the same Mash
Bill, except for they sub out

582
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,500
the Rye for wheat.
So it's 64 corn, 24 wheat.

583
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,100
It's a small batch of 12 to 15
barrels.

584
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,000
So, it's a, it's a pretty
significantly small batch here.

585
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,100
I'm really excited to dive into
this Brad.

586
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,600
And as I take my nosing, why
don't you go ahead and give your

587
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,500
notes on the nose?
Yeah, Bob it's interesting that

588
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:56,500
this is the the Rye version
because for me the, the nosing

589
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,300
here was cherry II thought that
I got a bit of a wheat nose to

590
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,400
it caramel Vanilla some of the
traditional bourbon flavors I

591
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200
gave it a 7 and a half out of
ten.

592
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,800
I was really intrigued by this
and kind of excited to see where

593
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,200
it would take me.
Yeah.

594
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800
This is really like Cherry heavy
and I get lots of berries on

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,100
this as well.
Like it's almost like a

596
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:19,700
blueberry note that I'm getting
on this, which is something I've

597
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,000
never ever gotten on a whiskey
and then just tons of

598
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,100
pepperiness.
I'm not getting a lot of baking

599
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,200
spice here.
It's like black pepper.

600
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,300
Strawberry Blueberry dark
cherry.

601
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,900
I'm really digging it.
I am noticing the ride just

602
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,200
because of the way.
It's hitting my nose.

603
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,900
I'm not getting like a Cherry
Cola.

604
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:39,900
Like I do with weeded as much
like that Rice spices definitely

605
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,500
coming out as black pepper here.
I like it a lot and it's super

606
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,300
unique.
So I'm going to give it an 8 out

607
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,300
of 10 on the nose.
Yeah.

608
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:51,700
And the the flavor palate for
me, it was incredibly creamy.

609
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,800
There's a lot of cherry going
on.

610
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Kind of a cherry cordial.
There is some butterscotch

611
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,500
happening and then Just a nice
little Foundation of vanilla.

612
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,600
This is an incredible tasting
whiskey Bob.

613
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000
I gave it an eight and a half
out of ten on the palate.

614
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Yeah.
Brett.

615
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,900
I'm not quite getting what
you're getting on this.

616
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,100
So I will say that this is
probably one of the most.

617
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,300
I'm gonna throw back to season
one here.

618
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800
This is one of the most viscous
Whiskey's we've ever had on the

619
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,300
show.
Like it is just so thick on the

620
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,800
mouth.
Feel the viscosity viscosity.

621
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,900
Dude, it's creamy is a great
word for it.

622
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,600
Almost almost oily.
I would say though like it

623
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,400
really covers the palate but it
does.

624
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,000
So in a way that I almost lose
all of the flavor on the end, it

625
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,900
has like a layer.
It almost tastes like, like

626
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:42,600
Cream of Wheat.
They have you ever had that that

627
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,400
breakfast?
Cereal like unsweetened oatmeal

628
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,500
or cream of wheat, is almost
what I'm getting on this where

629
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:53,500
it gives you that kind of like
milk equality and grain with

630
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,900
just a little bit of sweetness.
Underlying it you're right,

631
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,000
there's Oak here, there's a
little bit of vanilla.

632
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,300
I'm getting just a touch of
strawberry still, but I was

633
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:05,400
really expecting a flavor bomb
after that nose and the palate

634
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,300
is just not quite there for me.
I think.

635
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,199
I'm only going to give this
about a six and a half on the

636
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,900
taste.
Hmm, man, I'm a little

637
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:13,100
disappointed.
I thought you were going to like

638
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:18,500
this as I got to the finish.
The Cherry continued on for me.

639
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,600
It was almost it.
Almost got like a little bit

640
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,800
thicker, like almost like a
cream cheese, kind of feel with

641
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,199
a lot of vanilla.
There is a little bit of Oak.

642
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:32,300
Enos at the end but it didn't
sour or turn bitter in any way.

643
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,600
It just added a nice little bit
of Woody flavor.

644
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:36,699
I like the finish a lot.
I'll give it an eight.

645
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,600
Yeah, you're I think the cream
cheese note is actually a really

646
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,699
good one because it tastes like
cream cheese that has like black

647
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:47,100
pepper sprinkled into it.
Like it's a very spicy little

648
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,699
bit of Oak but that creaminess
really does still hold through.

649
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:53,699
I just wish there was a little
bit more sweetness on this.

650
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,500
I like it.
But coming off of the palette,

651
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,100
I'm still just a little bit
disappointed in the overall

652
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,400
flavor profile.
So I'm going to give it a 7 out

653
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,200
of 10 and the balance, I can't
Mark anything off for this.

654
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400
I'll give it.
The average of my first three

655
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,900
scores.
I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on

656
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,400
balance, because there's a lot
of flavor here.

657
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,500
It moves from one area to the
next really smoothly.

658
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:24,200
And I think that it's an
incredibly drinkable whiskey

659
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,600
that has High marks in my
opinion for its flavor.

660
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,700
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half on balance.

661
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,800
I know I said that I was
disappointed in the palette

662
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,900
here, but even with that drop
off you can tell that this is

663
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,600
still a really well made
whiskey.

664
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,400
So I'm going to give it 7.5 on
the balance and that brings us

665
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,000
to Value Brad.
Have you looked up what this

666
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,600
would cost us in the state of
Ohio?

667
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,700
I wasn't able to find it in the
state of Ohio but I did find it

668
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:55,400
just online at about $57.
All right so knowing that this

669
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,800
Is from a craft, Distillery
knowing that it is sweet Mash

670
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,900
that it is small batch, like 57
is not astronomically expensive.

671
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:07,600
I think that the problem is that
a lot of people won't take those

672
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,600
factors into consideration, when
they're just comparing this to

673
00:36:10,607 --> 00:36:12,100
something else on the shelf,
right?

674
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:17,400
Like if this is a four-year or
slightly older bourbon, that is

675
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,700
100 Proof.
All right?

676
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:20,900
Well, I can get that anywhere
else for 30 bucks.

677
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,600
Why would I pay 57 bucks here?
So I think that has it.

678
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,700
It has that.
At working against it.

679
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,600
But when you actually factor in
all those other things, I think

680
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,300
it's a pretty decent value.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

681
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:35,200
10 on value.
Yeah, I'll give it an 8 out of

682
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,400
10.
I think that the the value that

683
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,500
Wilderness Trail has created
here is that it's a really

684
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:46,700
unique, beautiful expression of
bourbon that that just hits all

685
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,600
the right notes for me.
As far as the sweetness.

686
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,200
The thing that would push it up.
A few notches is if I could

687
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
actually taste those Rye notes.
Hmm.

688
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,800
Because for me, I think rise are
my favorite whiskies, oftentimes

689
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,800
just because there is so much
complexity there.

690
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,300
There's a mixture of the sweet
decadent notes with all of those

691
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,700
baking spices and that's what I
love about it.

692
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,300
If they were able to accomplish
that, this would be a stellar

693
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:17,600
whiskey, but as it is, I'll give
it an 8 out of 10 on value and

694
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,500
that brings my final score to a
40 out of 50.

695
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,100
Wow.
All right, so that brings me to

696
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:26,200
a 36 out of 50.
So our average score is a 38 or

697
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,100
a 76 out of 100.
I think that's a good place for

698
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,000
this.
Brad, it's not my favorite

699
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,200
flavor profile, but among craft
whiskies.

700
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200
You can tell that they really,
really put the effort into this

701
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,700
one.
I don't know, really, how else

702
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,900
to explain it unless you've
drank 250 Whiskey's, or whatever

703
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:45,500
it is that we've drank.
Like it's not checking all of my

704
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:51,400
favorite boxes but you can just
give hell losses that they they

705
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,400
put all of the labor into this
Bob moving.

706
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,900
This is my favorite moving box.
Big big fan.

707
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:06,200
Ba-bye, I've enjoyed this one,
but rather than recommend,

708
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,100
buying recommend, trying, I
think I would recommend buying

709
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,800
and trying, I think that this is
a really beautiful whiskey, that

710
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,900
that's worth your money.
So yeah, for 50 to 60 bucks.

711
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,300
It's a worthwhile by, we want to
say thank you to our friend.

712
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,300
Austin Dupree at The Bourbon
earring.

713
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,100
Podcast for sending us this
sample.

714
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,900
I think, next time we we gotta
try that.

715
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,800
We did one, man.
I'm very intrigued to try the

716
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,000
weeded, Mash Bill.
I'm with you man.

717
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:31,900
All right, Brad, let's get back
into talking.

718
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,600
Out Moonrise Kingdom.
What do you say?

719
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Let's get to it.
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734
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736
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741
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,600
All right?
That was Wilderness Trail.

742
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,900
Small batch bottled in bond
bourbon Brad.

743
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,900
I think I've been doing a better
job at trying to pair up the

744
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:58,300
Whiskey's with the movie
thematically lately.

745
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,300
We had, we had puncher's chance
for Scott Pilgrim.

746
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,100
And now we have Wilderness Trail
for a movie about two people

747
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,100
running off into the Wilderness
together, so yeah, you nailed

748
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,400
it.
I'm doing my best, you know, do

749
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,500
you want some kind of reward
like, instead of two facts on a

750
00:40:15,508 --> 00:40:16,700
falsehood?
Do you want one?

751
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:20,500
Fact, and one falsehood 11 fact,
addition fact into falsehoods,

752
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,800
please.
And I only have to guess what?

753
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,300
One fault is it.
All right?

754
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,200
It is time for two facts and a
falsehood, the part of the

755
00:40:29,207 --> 00:40:31,700
podcast where Brad tries to
stump me.

756
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,600
With three things that he
presents.

757
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,700
As fact, one of which is
actually a bald-faced lie Brad.

758
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,900
I think that I am above 500 now.
Is that true?

759
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,800
I think so.
Become 6 & 5, 6 & 5 right now.

760
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Yeah man.
Oh man, it feels good.

761
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:51,900
Yeah, I'm glad for you, dude.
I enjoy when you feel good about

762
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,200
your life.
Hey, thanks, man.

763
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:56,000
Alright, well, do your best to
wreck that feeling?

764
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Yeah, well fax number one,
you're going to like this.

765
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,700
Bob he comments on it similar to
the way you talk.

766
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Talk about licorice, pizza
commenting on the film's

767
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
connection to the first time.
He fell in love, Wes Anderson

768
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,200
has said, well what I wanted to
do is recreate the feeling of

769
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,500
that memory.
The movie is kind of like a

770
00:41:14,508 --> 00:41:18,400
fantasy that I think I would
have had at that age like when

771
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
you're 11 or 12 years old, you
get so swept up in a book that

772
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,900
you start to believe that the
fantasy is reality.

773
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,700
Hmm.
Fax number two, the number of

774
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:30,000
their troop.
Troop number 55, stems from

775
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,300
Anderson's.
Own experience with Boy Scout

776
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,400
Troop.
Number 555 located near Houston

777
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Texas, where Anderson grew up,
according to Anderson Edward

778
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Norton's character is based
completely on his own troop

779
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,500
leader who was quote, clueless,
and napped and completely

780
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:48,700
sincere fact.
Number 3, according to Wes

781
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:53,400
Anderson, Susie's, discovery of
the quote, or of the coping with

782
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,000
a troubled child, For it was
based on a similar experience

783
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,300
from his own childhood quote, it
wasn't anything.

784
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,700
Terrible is just something that
at the time when I found it, I

785
00:42:01,707 --> 00:42:05,000
was like, what is this?
I mediately knew who that

786
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800
trouble child was even though
hypothetically, it could have

787
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,300
been someone else.
Brad.

788
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,000
I have absolutely no idea which
one of these is a falsehood

789
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200
because they just, they all seem
very plausible.

790
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,700
I think a lot of this could have
happened in Wes Anderson's life,

791
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,900
do I think?
Wes Anderson was a Boy Scout, is

792
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:24,200
the question.
He is so neat.

793
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,800
And so tidy that I think he may
have had like, you know making

794
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,200
your bed and pitching a tent
drilled into him as a child.

795
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,900
But also he seems he does not
seem like the kind of person who

796
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,700
would have been a Boy Scout.
So Number two is really sticking

797
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,300
out to me.
Number three.

798
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,500
Man, I don't know.
I think I'm just gonna have to

799
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,100
pick a random number and go with
it because I have I have no

800
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:53,300
idea.
Got a 33% Chance, by sure, do.

801
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,400
I'm gonna say I don't know.
I'm gonna say number three is

802
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,000
the falsehood.
Bob number three, the coping

803
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,400
with a troubled child find as a
child, is a true.

804
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
All right?
Yeah, that actually happened to

805
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,300
him.
The falsehood was the number of

806
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,000
the troop number 55 coming from
his own experience.

807
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,400
So did he did he have an
experience or did not make the

808
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,300
whole thing up?
I made the whole thing.

809
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,500
Nice.
He he may or may not have been a

810
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:28,000
Boy Scout but it definitely
wasn't number five. 55 and it

811
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,400
definitely he never said
anything about his own troop

812
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,300
leader in.
All right, cool.

813
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:33,500
Well you got me.
I'm back to 500 now.

814
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,300
Hey, nailed it.
I think that I have the most

815
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:42,100
success when I like theme all
three of them around the same

816
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:43,700
idea.
Yeah.

817
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,900
That seems to work for me pretty
well.

818
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,700
Alright, Brad, before we wrap
things up today.

819
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:53,100
I just, I want to go a little
bit further on the The Coming of

820
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,100
Age story.
And the way Wes Anderson chooses

821
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,100
to do it here because it It does
seem different than some of

822
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,000
those Coming of Age stories that
we watched.

823
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,500
I had a recent experience where
I drove up to Cleveland Ohio to

824
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,300
go to an IMAX theater because
they just re-released ET in

825
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,600
IMAX.
And why didn't you let me know?

826
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,700
It was would have been so
excited to come.

827
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:17,400
Watch it.
I did send a message to our

828
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,800
friend, Jackie's, I can
afterwards because that's also

829
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
her favorite movie of all time.
I was like, uh, surprised I

830
00:44:22,607 --> 00:44:25,900
didn't see you there, you know,
it was freaking great.

831
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,900
This movie does remind me a lot
of those underlying themes of

832
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,600
sadness and loss that you find
in a movie like ET.

833
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,600
And I think that a really,
really great coming-of-age story

834
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,700
has to have those elements of,
you know, I might say that like

835
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,400
the kid has to have a horrible
life for it to be a good movie,

836
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,000
but there has to be some
recognition of like what world

837
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,700
they're entering into and what
they're fighting against.

838
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,300
And I think that because of
that, this movie does share a

839
00:44:53,308 --> 00:44:56,200
ton of DNA with a movie like
e.t.

840
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,400
And especially coming off of the
Spielberg miniseries.

841
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,600
We did, this doesn't strike me
as like, a particularly

842
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:04,800
Spielberg a movie.
Like it's still very Wes

843
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Anderson, but I think the
matically there's definitely

844
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,500
parallels there.
Yeah.

845
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:13,100
He dives into the exploration
of, like, what does it mean to

846
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:18,900
be a child in the midst of
unhealthy adults lives.

847
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,300
And that's like a really
difficult thing to do.

848
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,300
And so, the obvious thing to do
is live out a fantasy, To see of

849
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:31,500
running away with your one true
love and, you know, fighting the

850
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,800
power and of, you know, trying
to make it work.

851
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,600
No matter what else is going on.
And I think that Wes does for

852
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,800
the most part, a really
beautiful job of illustrating.

853
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,000
What it's like to fall in love
in a place of trying to make

854
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,300
sense of the world around you as
a prepubescent young person.

855
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,400
Go ahead a little bit on that
Brad because you just said, for

856
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,900
the most part and we haven't
really talked about nitpicks or

857
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:59,600
things we disliked about the
movie.

858
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,200
But I also don't think that this
is a perfect movie, and I think

859
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,500
my score is going to reflect
that.

860
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,700
So I'd like to hear a little bit
from you as a first-time viewer

861
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,300
like what didn't work for you
about this movie.

862
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,500
Oh man, I was kind of saving
this for final scores but we're

863
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:19,600
getting close to that.
So Listen, man, I can't I can't

864
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:28,400
get down with this movie 100%.
Really like, The scene where

865
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,900
they are alone and there.
Did they have like a first

866
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:34,800
sexual encounter with one
another?

867
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,100
I can't get down with it Bob.
I think that this movie is hot

868
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,600
garbage because of that.
See, wow, dude.

869
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,100
You really pulled the rug out
from under me here, you've

870
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,900
talked about it in such glowing
terms until this moment.

871
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,600
Well, and that's the thing I
like, I want to be fair to it.

872
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,800
Like, I think that Wes Anderson
is a very talented director.

873
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:59,500
I His style.
I find it unique and interesting

874
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,100
and very different than the the
the rest of the world of Cinema.

875
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:08,100
But if you look at the
definition of child pornography

876
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,200
that was child.
Pornography that was displayed

877
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,000
in an artistic way I and I
completely disagree with that.

878
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,100
But I mean like I you I'm not.
So let me say this, I'm not

879
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,000
debating like where your
particular line for what is

880
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,100
acceptable is, but I also think
that I also think that what he

881
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,300
portrayed on screen was like a
very matter-of-fact and kind of

882
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,800
humorous portrayal of what A lot
of people's first experience

883
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,400
like getting their first kiss or
hmm.

884
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:42,300
You know what I mean?
I and all he had to do was leave

885
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:46,900
it at a first kiss, but then he
like, he makes them say the

886
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:51,100
lines about him, having an
erection and her not minding it.

887
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:55,500
And then he the next scene, he
shows them sleeping in the tent

888
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:59,300
together, in the scene that
we've all seen a billion times

889
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,600
in other movies that they just
slept together.

890
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:05,400
CI is, I didn't even make that.
I don't know that that's

891
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,700
necessarily implied there.
It's 100 bomb.

892
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,000
They go from him talking about
having an erection her saying

893
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,600
that she doesn't mind it and
then boom.

894
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,900
It's the next morning and
they're sleeping like in each

895
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,900
others arms.
I have you ever seen that before

896
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,800
in any movie ever?
I mean, I understand where

897
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,100
you're coming from.
I just I don't I don't think

898
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,900
that they Maybe it's just me
like wishing for the best.

899
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,300
I just, I never assumed that
that actually happened.

900
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:37,500
I thought that they were still
too young to actually go through

901
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:39,900
with anything like that.
I don't know that they would

902
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:43,200
even know what to do, like,
given their innocence in the

903
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,400
movie.
So, like, I mean, I understand

904
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800
where you're coming from.
I just had a different read on

905
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,000
it than you did, but, but here's
the thing, it's beyond, just

906
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,200
like, what the audience is
seeing, for me, it was the idea

907
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,200
that those actors who were 12
years old at the time.

908
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:03,100
I'm had to do those things and
say those lines and have that

909
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,700
experience.
And the more I looked into it,

910
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:09,200
the more, it kind of creeps me
out, like, like, Wes.

911
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,100
And here's the thing, if he had
just stopped at having them

912
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:16,200
kiss.
It's 100% fine.

913
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,000
I'm totally down with it.
I think it's adorable and cute,

914
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,400
and a great coming-of-age story,
but like, the way he had them do

915
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,600
it, he had them, like, write
letters to one another before

916
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,600
the, the filming started and and
he Gives you know, some of the

917
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,100
more intimate scenes till the
end of filming.

918
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,900
So that they knew each other
better and and he did all sorts

919
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,500
of stuff like that but then he
also used a closed set for them

920
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,500
to have their first kiss and had
and shoot that scene.

921
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,700
And I'm like, the only reason
you have a closed set is to do

922
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:51,700
like inappropriate things on
screen with adults and like, I

923
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:55,400
just don't think a child actor
should ever be asked to be on a

924
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,900
closed set.
And I know that they got their

925
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,600
parents permission but as the
Consenting adults in the

926
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,800
situation.
I don't think it's I don't think

927
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,700
that they should have consented
for their children to act in

928
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:13,100
such ways and I think it was all
really weird and really

929
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:18,900
inappropriate and I just I've
been really struggling with this

930
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,200
movie ever since.
Wow, he gets child pornography

931
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,700
dressed up as an artistic Coming
of Age story.

932
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,300
I honestly don't know how to how
to respond because this is like

933
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,200
so blinds.
You you gave me No indication

934
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,600
about this until just now and I
feel like this this episode has

935
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:40,100
gone very sideways as a results
but I respect your listen, I

936
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,600
respect your opinion, I disagree
about the closed set thing.

937
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,300
I think that that's actually a
very sweet thing to do for

938
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:50,000
children like who are doing a
scene where they have to kiss

939
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,900
and you know pretend like
they're being somewhat intimate

940
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,300
with each other.
I don't think that you would

941
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,800
want to do that with a set
filled with adults and like, you

942
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,800
know, the middle aged.
Men holding boom mics and things

943
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,300
like that so like I think
there's a different Reed.

944
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,300
You can take on almost every
step of that process Brad and

945
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,700
again like for you if that
seemed an appropriate I totally

946
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:11,600
get it.
I just I did not have that

947
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,000
reaction to the movie.
Yeah, I like I said I didn't

948
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000
want to like get into it right
away because I knew it would

949
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,600
just derail the entire episode.
And as I said, I like Wes

950
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,800
Anderson.
I just think that what he and

951
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,200
the other adults in the
situation did here was was not

952
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,700
it wasn't good, bro.
Wow.

953
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,300
It was really not good.
Well, I really I really hate to

954
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,500
steer into.
Let's make it a double then

955
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:42,200
because this seems like a huge
Downer of an episode now.

956
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,800
But Brad, you know knowing now
your affinity for this movie.

957
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,600
What would you pair this up with
as a double feature?

958
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,800
I mean I'll stick with hunt for
the world or people.

959
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:55,900
It's thematically similar, it's
goofy.

960
00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:00,800
There's there's genuine humor to
it and if you want to watch a

961
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,700
movie that has appropriate
depictions of young kids falling

962
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:06,800
in love, then go watch out for
the water people.

963
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,800
Yeah, I think that I think
that's like the perfect pairing

964
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,000
for this movie.
I was also thinking of a movie

965
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,600
like up, you know, the Pixar
movie where there's a young kid,

966
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,600
who is, I think that kid is also
in the Foster system in the

967
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,800
movie and pairing up with a
lonely old man and finding

968
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,700
community and a home with him.
I think that like that's a

969
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:33,700
pretty that's also a pretty
obvious like comparison at the

970
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,800
end of the movie, I really loved
that scene where, you know

971
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,100
things have been made, right?
And Jared Gilman is coming to

972
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,200
visit Suzy's character in his
little police uniform him and

973
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,000
says, I'll see you tomorrow and
they all run off together and

974
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,300
and the last shot of the movie
is it pans down and shows the,

975
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:56,300
he was painting that little
Inlet that they escaped to and

976
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,200
it's this memory of Lycra, you
know, remember that summer that

977
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,900
we shared together and and how
that was the summer that we all

978
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:06,400
grew up and that reminded me a
lot of a very different and much

979
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,300
heavier movie which we watch way
back in like season 1, I think

980
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,500
To Kill a Mockingbird and I
really love The end of that

981
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,000
movie.
I've always loved the ending of

982
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,300
tequila Mockingbird after
everything that's happened and,

983
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,700
you know, gem is in bed.
And Scout has that narration

984
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:26,100
where she says that Atticus was
there for Gem all through the

985
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,400
night and he was there when he
woke up in the morning.

986
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,800
But she also talks about how you
know that summer was the summer

987
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,700
that they all grew up and so it
really reminded me of that.

988
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:38,400
I think if you wanted to go for
for a more dramatic route, you

989
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,200
could definitely go with To Kill
a Mockingbird but I did.

990
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,600
We've got three pretty good.
Double feature offerings here.

991
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,900
Yeah, you know talking about the
watercolor, he also paints a

992
00:53:49,908 --> 00:53:53,900
minor nude Bob.
And they show it dude.

993
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,500
They show it on screen, dude.
I'm just saying man.

994
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,000
I don't know why any adult would
be portraying that on screen?

995
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,100
All right, let's do final
scores.

996
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,600
I want you to go first because I
have no idea where you're

997
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,700
actually falling on this movie.
Now it sounds like you really

998
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:15,000
liked 98% of the movie.
Yep, I did.

999
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,700
I would probably give it like,
an 8 or an 8 and a half out of

1000
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,600
ten and I'm going to leave this
up to you.

1001
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,800
Bob, do you want me like On
based on principle.

1002
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:27,900
I genuinely think that there is
child pornography in this.

1003
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,400
So I'm either going to not score
it or give it a 1 and that's

1004
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,300
that's up to you.
You can choose whichever route.

1005
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:38,500
You want me to go on that.
I think it will be better if you

1006
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,500
don't score it then, okay.
I'm in.

1007
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:44,000
Yeah, no score.
No score from Brad.

1008
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,200
That's the first in the film
whiskey podcast really.

1009
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,400
Is it really is.
I'm going to give it an eight

1010
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,700
and a half.
I think it's a really good

1011
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:51,400
movie.
It's really nice.

1012
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,300
Now that I don't have to do any
sort of average.

1013
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:56,600
I just might Score is the film
and whiskey score.

1014
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:58,600
So I'm going to give it an eight
and a half.

1015
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Brad has labeled it as
pornography which is a

1016
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:05,100
incredibly spicy take but that's
yeah that's your opinion.

1017
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,300
So let us know what you think.
I want I would really like to

1018
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:10,800
read the fan mail after this
one.

1019
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,100
Here's here's the thing.
Bob, we've watched pornographic

1020
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:16,200
movies before and I've still
scored them.

1021
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:19,600
Beale Street is one day, they
show a sex scene which is fine

1022
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,400
like that's it's adults doing
their thing.

1023
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,700
This is labeled as child
pornography.

1024
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,700
And I just, I understand where
people come from, where they

1025
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:33,800
say, it's not, I just it's more,
it's less about what you see on

1026
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,500
screen and more about what those
children were asked to do as

1027
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:43,000
miners that I just don't know.
I know I'm beating a dead horse

1028
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,600
at this point.
I under listen, I understand

1029
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,700
what you're saying, I think that
there is II think that we could

1030
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:53,800
do an episode a bonus episode or
just and person to person

1031
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,200
conversation one of these days
about how we Define the word

1032
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,900
pornography and I don't think
that necessarily just depicting

1033
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:04,400
sexual acts on screen is
pornography, I think there is an

1034
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,700
intent behind it.
I think that there is an, an

1035
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,800
exploitative nature behind it.
I don't think this movie

1036
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,700
qualifies as I definitely.
Don't think Beale Street would

1037
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:16,500
qualify.
But again, I, I think I

1038
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:19,300
understand where Where you're
coming from and how you

1039
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:22,400
personally might Define that, I
just don't see it here.

1040
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,500
And so again, I'll, you know, we
got to wrap the episode up.

1041
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:29,700
I'll say this, if you would like
to write in or call in, or leave

1042
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:35,200
a comment on how you see this
film, which I would say is like,

1043
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,000
98% a very Charming children's
film or film about children and

1044
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,700
2% apparently, you know,
objectionable material.

1045
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,100
I'd like to know what you think
about the whole movie in

1046
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:49,800
particular Literally on this
debate that we've just had.

1047
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,800
You can find us on our social
media accounts, Facebook,

1048
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,900
Twitter or Instagram at film
whiskey, or you can jump into

1049
00:56:56,900 --> 00:57:00,100
the conversation on Discord.
I would imagine that we will be

1050
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,700
talking about this when it
releases.

1051
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,800
So jump on our Discord you can
find a link to it at the end of

1052
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,400
every single one of our show
notes.

1053
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,500
Next week, we will be back with
one of our most favorite guests

1054
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:14,900
on this podcast.
Patrick H Willems talking about

1055
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,400
what might be his favorite Wes
Anderson, Umm 2014's The Grand

1056
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,900
Budapest Hotel but until then
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

1057
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:25,900
we'll see you next time.