Meet Me in St. Louis / Hancock's President's Reserve

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In 1944 director Vincente
Minnelli and star.

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Judy Garland gave the world a
refreshingly Charming picture of

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a family desperate to stay in
St.

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Louis in 2021, we repeat
ourselves Ad nauseam.

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As We Sip another Buffalo, Trace
product, that's hard to find the

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film is meet me in st.
Louis, the whiskey is Hancock's

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presidents reserve and we'll
review them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week, we are looking at the

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1944 Technicolor, MGM Musical.
Meet me in st.

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Louis Brad.
I think I've built this one up

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for you a little bit because
I've been telling you this is

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one of my favorite movies ever
and I'm opening myself up here a

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little bit.
I'm being vulnerable.

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I feel like every time I bring a
movie to you, that I really

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truly cherish.
Its I mean, it's hard.

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It really is man, because I'm
like, I don't know where you're

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going to land on these things.
And, you know, I've been burned

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one too many times my friend.
So I am entering today

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cautiously optimistic about this
movie.

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Now, this is the second film,
we've done with Judy.

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Garland, after The Wizard of Oz,
this is the second Vincente

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Minnelli movie, we've done after
An American in Paris way back in

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season one.
I'm really anxious to see what

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you think, but also to kind of,
you know, jog our memories a

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little bit and compare, and
contrast to those other two

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films that we've done, that are
kind of related to this one.

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Yeah, I mean, on one hand, you
have the Judy G Masterpiece

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Wizard of Oz which in our
opinion is pretty bad.

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Movie.
And then you have an American in

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Paris, which is one of the, it's
just such a pleasant film.

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Oh yeah, like like am an
American in Paris, it's just

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nice and it makes me happy and I
like that about it.

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Yeah.
And I think at least for me Brad

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this movie has that going
forward as well and it's not

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just that it's like an off
Shucks, you know, simpler times

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kind of movie.
But what I really love about

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this film and we'll get into it
as we talk about it is that it's

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just the story of a family.
Mele over the course of a year

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and nothing terribly exciting
goes on in their lives, except

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for the fact that they might
have to move away.

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They invest so much time and so
much energy in making you

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believe that these people on
screen really are a family and

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really care about each other.
That you really do get caught up

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in, you know, the, the crushes
that the girls have and the

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Mischief of the younger kids and
then the idea that they might

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have to move away, I love that.
This is a low.

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Steaks movie because in so many
ways, I think it does resemble

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real life that way and it's just
so near and dear to my heart.

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Yeah, there's a lot going on for
it and I'm excited to get into

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it.
But before I start, you know,

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postulating on why this movie is
going to be cast into the fiery.

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Furnace at the end of the
season.

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I think.
I think we should get into Brad.

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Explains you bastard.
All right.

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Well let's let's hear it from
the horse's mouth here.

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And horse is generous term for
what I think of you right now.

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So Brad we know, this is your
first time watching the film

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meet me in st.
Louis.

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And so it's time for Brad
explains where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he is
just seen often for the first

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time Brad.
As we all know, there's a 60

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second limit on.
Brad explains this season.

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Do you think you can summarize
the plot of this movie in under

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one minute?
I think I have a chance to doing

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it.
The film meet me in st.

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Louis is about a family.
Known as this is going to be

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hard to remember, everybody The
Smiths and the Smiths are led by

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their father, who is a lawyer,
and their mother, who is a

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homemaker I assume and it really
just kind of Chronicles.

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I mean Bobby already said it, it
Chronicles their life for a

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year.
The main character of the movie

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is Esther Smith.
The second oldest daughter of

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the four daughters and we really
just see her kind of I don't

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know she falls in love with the
neighbor.

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Boy, Johnny true it.
She kind of encourages.

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Her older sister on a love
affair of her own with a guy

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named, Warren who lives out in
New York, then he goes to

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Princeton 10 seconds.
Yeah, they find out, they're

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moving to New York, everybody's
pissed.

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Judy Garland sings some
Christmas song, The End boom

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nailed it.
My favorite thing about that.

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Brad explains was that Some
Christmas song is the all-time

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classic, Have Yourself, a Merry
Little Christmas.

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Like, I love how you talked
about it, like it's a song that

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is instantly forgettable and
that no one's ever heard.

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You're the guy some song about
Christmas Bob?

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I'm not gonna lie under the 10
second gun.

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I did, genuinely did not
remember what something she's

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saying?
You knew it wasn't White

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Christmas.
And so like after that it's like

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well in Giles forgetting some
Christmas.

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Yeah, exactly.
All right.

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Place Up on the Rooftop maybe.
Yeah.

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All right, so you have explained
the plot of this movie, I'm

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gonna let you kind of dictate
where we go here today.

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If you want to start talking
about like overall impressions

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of the movie we can go there.
If you want to talk about

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Minelli as a director we can go
there.

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We could jump right into
performances if you'd like so.

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I mean, what's the most kind of
burning thing on your mind when

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it comes to this movie?
Honestly?

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Bob, for me, I think the reason
this family works is because of

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2D, the youngest daughter.
Nice.

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Her character the way it's
written.

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And The way she delivers the
lines the way her acting

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performance is just phenomenal.
It's a great performance by a

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child actor.
Yeah.

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So this was Margaret O'Brien,
who was really, really famous in

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Hollywood.
At the time, she was kind of,

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you know, the new Shirley Temple
because Shirley Temple had

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become a teenager at this point
and Margaret O'Brien kind of

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filled that void of the Shirley
Temple role in the early 1940s.

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This is probably her most
well-remembered role at this

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point and you're right.
Brad.

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I mean it's not just that she
Turn on like the little kid

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charm cause she does that really
well, but her ability especially

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to cry on cue.
Like there's, you know, the Have

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Yourself a Merry Little
Christmas scene which we'll talk

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about is is actually a very sad
scene in the context of the

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movie and it Sparks this little
girl to cry and cry because she

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doesn't want to move to New York
City.

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And she basically goes outside
and destroys a bunch of snowmen

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that she's built because she
knows that she can't take them

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with her.
And it's, I mean it's a

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heartbreaking scene and Bubba, I
don't you, I thought you said

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we're going to talk About the
scene later.

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Talk about the song later, it's
worth like a motherfuckin tight

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now, salmon.
Oh okay.

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Okay.
Gotcha anyway.

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She sells it really, really
well, the end.

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Oh wow, that came so much faster
than I was hoping for Bob.

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I think that her performance
gives like credibility to the

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entire movie, because a lot of
the movie it borders on the line

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of Being Cheesy and her, Like
impishness and her likability to

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talk about like killing people
and it's just so weirdly Darkly

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funny in the middle of this you
know somewhat schmooze e love

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drama just kind of light-hearted
teen rom-com.

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Yeah that I don't know why but
that performance just grounded

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the entire movie for me and made
me go.

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Oh, I actually like I like all
of the Actors better because of

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2D, I think that's like the
highest compliment you can give

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an actor in an ensemble like
this.

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And I totally agree with you,
you know, she she says the kind

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of things that little kids say
when they don't quite understand

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the consequences of what they're
saying, like I have a

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four-year-old son right now and
you know he doesn't understand

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the concept of death and so he's
trying to ask questions to

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understand what like what death
is and what happens when people

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die and things like that?
But I mean, you know, he's just

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like so what happens if somebody
kills this person and what Just

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look asks these various kind of
socially inappropriate questions

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but it's because he doesn't know
any better.

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And this little girl 2D in the
movie, you know, she's

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constantly talking about how her
doll has a, you know, for fatal

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diseases and we're going to give
her the nicest funeral in this

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old shoebox, I've already picked
it out and like the whole movie

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she's talking about stuff like
that and it just makes me

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chuckle because that's exactly
how kids that age are.

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Yeah, and the other thing that
kids just constantly We have

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done since the 40s is domestic
terrorism in the middle of

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streets during Halloween and
like we see 2D like rise to the

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occasion in the midst of that.
There's an extended sequence in

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the middle of this movie and
I've, you know, to break the

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movie down a little bit more.
It's broken up into four

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chapters.
Basically tells the story of

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four seasons over the course of
a year 1903.

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Leading up to the World's Fair,
which is opening in St.

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Louis in 1904, and in the, the
Sequence.

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It's a really extended Halloween
seen with the two youngest

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daughters, and if you've ever
seen some of those old pictures

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of how kids dressed up for
Halloween, 100 years ago, this

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is, this does a really good job
of replicating that like,

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they're very scary looking
children.

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And apparently the custom at the
time was to just burn Furniture

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in the middle of the street and
go around and hit your neighbors

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in the face, with a sack of
flour, and tell them that you

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hate them.
And this was just acceptable

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behavior.
And I just like, I I texted you

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that Brad.
I was like, oh apparently just

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domestic terrorism was cool a
hundred years ago.

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Yeah.
It's just kind of.

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It was the thing to do like,
like, nowadays parents are

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worried about that one poison
candy bar out of like the 10

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million candy bars that get
handed out back then.

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Man, you had Furniture, like,
stolen off of your porch and

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burnt.
Yeah, in the street.

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Yeah, so we pretty much have it.
Lucky nowadays, you know, one of

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the things that I, when I was
doing research on the movie,

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apparently, the production,
Would you know, they had the

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sensors at the time they sent
this movie off to the sensors

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and they sent it back with a
note saying, you can't say that

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the kids are stealing Furniture
to burn in the street, like they

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can burn it in the street, but
you can imply that they stole

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it.
So like, we were there getting

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really, really particular about
what crimes were okay for

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children to commit.
Well, honestly, that probably

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led to one of the funniest lines
of the movie when I think it's

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the oldest daughter Rose, but it
might have been Judy G but they

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get Off the phone and they're
like, oh mrs.

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Such and such, you know, their
neighbors.

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Like I pulled the hammock off
and set it on the front porch.

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Can you tell him to just put it
back when they're done?

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Like like everybody knows that
these kids are going to be

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stealing stuff off of people's?
Porches.

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I kind of love that though.
You know what I mean?

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It's like, oh, it's brilliant.
It's like the children version

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of The Purge once a year.
Yeah, they're just gonna come

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hit me with flour and then we're
good for the rest of the year.

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Yeah, we're good.
All right, Brad.

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So talk a little bit about this.
Movie as a quote-unquote MGM

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musical, right?
And I think that, for those of

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you who have seen old musicals
made by the studio, MGM, you

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have an image in mind of what
that means.

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It's, you know, your Gene Kelly
singing in the rain and American

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in Paris, this movie.
I think really kind of stands

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alone in that, it is a musical.
But it only has I think five

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original songs in it and the the
songs really arise out of the

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plot more than, you know,
someone gets on stage and

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performs a tap.
Dance number like you would see

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in a lot of musicals at the
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what makes a movie musical a
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And this is a question that has
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songs sung in that movie are
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are playing performers, so it's
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their everyday life.
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they don't just break into song
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So I don't know man.
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what would make a movie musical
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What would your criteria be?
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weird but like so diegetic
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music comes from the radio and
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can hear the noise.
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the music that the characters
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is a musical, does that.
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you're watching like West Side
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song is that diegetic like do we
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world?
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they just talking and we were
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breaking out into song.
That that's what makes it, a

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music.
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that like, the song, when the,
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playing the song on the piano
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musical was A full of things
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I don't know if I'd call it a
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I cuz that's just them them
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in normal real life.
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musical family, she just plays a
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because every housewife just
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song to make it fit her
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pallets.
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But in the end I think you have
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you Like Judy, Garland singing
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and like, sure her character
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that moment.
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Judy Garland singing because
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singers ever to live.
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I don't even know how I'm going
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first of all, I have an
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Like I have just always loved
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I think She is my favorite
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In the history of movies, Gene
Kelly at one point called her

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the most entertaining person I
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And like, first for somebody
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you know, really high, praise
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But watching this movie.
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You cannot take your eyes off of
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movie at age 22, and to do the
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from an acting standpoint.
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Like I just, I don't feel like
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actress and way back a few
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Brad, we did our patreon bonus
episode where our patrons asked

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us questions.
And I talked about this in that

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episode that she has.
This moment in this movie where

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she has a crush on this next
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She has kind of convinced him to
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off all the lights in the house.
It's very, you know, it's filled

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with this kind of tension.
Are they gonna kiss and him

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being, you know, a teenage boy,
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And and then walks off and says,
well, goodnight, Esther.

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And she has this moment where
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Good night neighbor and she just
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just it's pitch, perfect.
But the dramatic stuff in this

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movie to like bread, I mean I
don't know why I assume you

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don't love Judy Garland as much
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But I think that even though
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iconic people ever in movies, we
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I'm just going to make like your
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second.
Bob, I love Judy Garland,

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singing voice.
I don't enjoy her, just talking

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voice, I don't know what it is,
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Like, it's not, it's not quite
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it's not, you know, the worst
voice I've ever heard in my life

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but there is something about it
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where I was like, man.
I just feel, I think I don't

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care for Judy Garland, a ton
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sounds fake compared to Buddy
else's voice interesting and I

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don't know where that comes
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I think it's something that I've
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before but with Wizard of Oz,
that's something I grew up

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watching so I guess I didn't
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we watched it but this time
through it was like I don't know

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30 or 40 minutes into the movie
and I was like man I just don't

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know what it is about Judy
Garland but her voice just look

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it's not my favorite.
I'm so sad but you know setting

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aside your distaste The way she
sounds like, you know, talk

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about the performance, though.
I mean, I assume that you can at

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least agree with me that she's a
better actress than people give

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her credit for.
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She's the best actress in the
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Yeah.
Like, like Far and Away her

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performance.
Obviously, I think, I think 2D

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as a child actress, does a
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But the way that Judy interacts
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her like and usually this word
has a negative connotation.

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Notation, but I'll use it in a
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she softly, manipulates people
around her and it's always with

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a pure heart is just, I don't
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It's almost like adorable.
You know what I mean?

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Oh, absolutely.
That's a perfect word for it.

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Brad, and Brad.
I think we should talk about the

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rest of the cast, though,
because I could go on, and on

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talking about Judy Garland in
this movie and we'll probably

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bring her up more and more as we
talked about how Minelli uses

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her in this movie.
But I do want to touch on some

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other people in the cast because
I think pretty To formally top

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to bottom.
I love everybody in this movie.

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And once again, you know,
Minelli stocked, this cast, with

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really seasoned character actors
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that I think this movie pulls
off, is that.

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They so convincingly play a
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Like, I think, you know, by the
Midway point of the movie, I was

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just bought into the idea that
like, this is a family system.

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And this is, you know, how the
dad operates, and here's the

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mom, who's really in charge and
very quietly, leave Is this

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family where she needs to lead
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And here's the oldest daughter
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at least on screen.
They liked each other that they

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cared about each other that they
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I honestly think this is one of
the more convincing on-screen

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families I've ever seen.
Yeah, Bob I'm right there with

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you.
I feel like when you watch this

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family, you can see the quirks
and The Oddities of each

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individual character, that makes
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And then, you can also see why
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love them, hate them frustrated
by them are encouraged by them

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like you just yeah.
Bob it just feels like a real

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family that you know especially
like at the end of the movie

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when you know, Judy Garland is
engaged to John Truitt.

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And yet she still tells John
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New York with my family will
find a way to make it work.

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And then moments later.
She's consoling, her little

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sister and like, Guarantee
you're like, no, like we will be

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okay as long as we all stick
together and I think the reason

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why their family Dynamic works
so well is not just because it

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rings true but because the
audience wants it to rest

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through.
Yes.

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Like we all want to belong to a
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Well and that's the reason that
the happy ending of this movie

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works.
So well, it's because, you know,

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they don't move to New York,
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Louis, they decide, you know,
the dad.

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Finally it Dawns on him.
This is our home.

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This is where we want our family
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You did think it was a fine
opportunity, didn't you?

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New York?
Hasn't got a copyright on

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opportunity, why st.
Louis is headed for a boom.

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That'll make your head swim.
This is a great town.

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The trouble with you people is
you don't appreciate it because

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it's right here under your
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The grass is always greener in
somebody else's yard and the

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movie ends triumphantly with
them at the World's Fair talking

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about, I can't believe it's
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It's right here in St.
Louis.

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And the reason that That that
happy ending works is because we

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feel as an audience that these
people deserve a happy ending.

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Like you have watched them go
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tribulations of a year.
You've watched The Strain on the

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parents marriage a little bit.
You've watched it Through The

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Eyes of their children and not
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And it's like, yes, I want these
people to get a win at the end

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of the movie and so that ending
doesn't come off as cheesy.

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It doesn't come off as overly
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It He does feel earned.
And, and really that that's the

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sign of a good director.
What Minnelli Does in this

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movie, the way he carefully
crafts, this family drama, he

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does it in such a way that you
can tell that he genuinely cares

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about the story being told and
that as you kind of weave your

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way through this year, in the
life of the Smith.

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Family, like you said, you get
to the end of it and you realize

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you're just really rude.
Ting for this family to succeed.

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And the big thing is I don't
think it's tied to the outcome

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of whether or not they go to New
York because I fully believe

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that that family would be
successful even if they had

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moved to New York.
But the happy ending is because

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they get what they all want.
They get to stay in St.

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Louis and that and that's just I
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I think Minnelli Does a
masterful job weaving the story

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together throughout the movie.
Well let's kind of nerd out here

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on Minelli for a couple.
That's because just like Judy

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Garland, I think Minnelli is
underrated when it comes to the

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discussion of great directors,
because this man had a sense for

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how to compose a shot that very
few people ever had.

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And there are just like,
countless examples, I could get

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from this movie Brad, this is
one of the most beautifully

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composed movies I've ever seen,
but I think the first thing I

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want to do is kind of jog, our
memory back to season one.

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When we were first talking about
An American in Paris, I

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mentioned this movie.
I talked about how Minnelli Does

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this great thing in some of his
movies where he kind of builds a

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frame within a frame.
And, you know, when you watch

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this movie and it shows the
title cards were it's like

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spring and Autumn.
It looks like a greeting card.

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But what Minnelli Does in many
of the scenes is he kind of

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frames people inside of a window
sill or something, and makes it

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look like the people in that
scene or kind of in a greeting

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card.
The, I think the best example is

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the first song, Judy Garland
sings called the boy next door

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where she's you know, pining for
John Truitt.

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And the whole song is just her
looking out the window.

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And first of all again, Judy
Garland, incredible performance,

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I would say the first two thirds
of that song.

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Our one shot one take.
But I love that he does these

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little flourishes that just
make.

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It's like, he makes the most
artistic possible choice at

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every point in this movie, but
it never really gets

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distracting.
It always feels like, yeah.

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I totally understand why he went
for that and I think it

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enhances.
Has the viewing experience.

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Yeah.
The shot that really stood out

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to me was when 2D was that the
little bonfire that the

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Hooligans had created in the
middle of the street and she

447
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:13,100
challenges them all and says,
well I'll go throw.

448
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,400
I'll go kill mr.
Krakow for crack off or

449
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,200
something.
And when she walks away from the

450
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000
fire and the camera slowly like
dollies in front of her, like

451
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,400
the look of fear on her face
with the fire burning behind her

452
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,700
in the Children all like
watching her leave.

453
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:33,000
It was just a daggone.
Beautiful shot, man.

454
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:36,300
Well, and you got to remember to
the size of the cameras back

455
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,800
then, I mean, they were hundreds
of pounds for him to move the

456
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,900
camera the way he does.
It took a ton of work and

457
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:45,600
there's one really really great
example from this movie.

458
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,100
It's that scene where Judy
Garland and John Truitt played

459
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,300
by Tom Drake are going through
the house turning out the lights

460
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:55,000
and you don't notice it until
someone points it out to you.

461
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,900
It's one shot like the cameras
in the ceiling and then it Drops

462
00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,600
down a little farther and it
floats into another room.

463
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000
They had to like, specifically
build this set to accommodate

464
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,700
that camera and from what I
read, like, it took a lot of

465
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,300
time to choreograph that
correctly, but to see somebody

466
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,900
doing that, that kind of work
with a camera in the 1940s.

467
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:19,700
When it was like prohibitive to
try to haul a camera up to the

468
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,800
ceiling.
It's just, I mean, it's just a

469
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,700
sign of a director, who knows
what he's doing and is trying to

470
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,500
make the best decision at every
point and Minelli.

471
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,400
Giving a little inspiration to,
in Yuri to there is that?

472
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,800
That's right.
Brad.

473
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,200
I do want to talk about one more
shot in the movie though and

474
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,600
it's because, you know,
sometimes you look at a shot and

475
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,500
you're like, wow knocks me away
with the visuals or like, wow,

476
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,700
that's a great metaphor.
My favorite scene in the film I

477
00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:47,100
think is that scene that you
were mentioning where the

478
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,700
patriarch in the matriarch of
the family are singing the song

479
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:54,300
You and I and it's right after
the dad has just announced, I'm

480
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,500
moving you all to New York and
does not ask for input on it.

481
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,900
Everyone's pissed.
Everyone goes, their separate

482
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:04,900
ways and the mom just calmly
quietly, like goes over to the

483
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,600
piano and starts playing the
song.

484
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,300
And it's this perfect marriage
of music and lyrics and visuals.

485
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:15,400
Because in the foreground of the
shot, you've got mom and dad and

486
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,100
they're singing.
The song that goes You and I

487
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,300
together forever.
It's a song about marriage.

488
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,100
It's a song about the commitment
that is marriage and

489
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,400
self-sacrifice and how we are in
this thing together.

490
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,300
Even when we're pissed off at
each other, even when we don't

491
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:34,900
feel like doing it, even when we
disagree, we are in this

492
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,500
together.
And for me, it's the most

493
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,800
poignant representation of what
marriage looks like on screen.

494
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,700
And in the background, everybody
else kind of starts to shuffle

495
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,100
back into frame.
Like they, they've cooled off

496
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,500
they're going to come.
Listen to Mom and Dad sing and

497
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,800
what you have is the oldest
daughter Rose, and she comes and

498
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,400
stands about halfway down the
steps.

499
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,400
And it's a visual for us as the
audience, that Minnelli's.

500
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
He's trying to do something with
how he's placing people in frame

501
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:03,800
and Rose, comes and stands
there.

502
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,100
And then passed her comes to tea
the youngest.

503
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
And then after her comes Agnes,
the second youngest.

504
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,100
And then after her comes Judy
Garland, and what Minnelli's

505
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:17,500
doing is he is showing like
visually the passage of time,

506
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,400
right?
Like he introduces their oldest

507
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,900
daughter.
So that you're thinking about,

508
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,400
okay, like, you know, their
firstborn daughter and then you

509
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200
see this little girl come
walking by and you see a little

510
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000
bit.
Older girl, come walking by and

511
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,700
it's like he's showing us these
people that are singing to each

512
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,800
other committing themselves back
to each other again, have been

513
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,000
doing this for years and you
watch the years pass as their

514
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
children grow up before them and
then, you know, finally the

515
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400
whole family comes back together
in the room and it is just the

516
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,400
most eloquent way of visually
depicting.

517
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,400
A lifelong Union between people
and like, every time I see that

518
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,100
seen it chokes me up, because
Again like the subtext is these

519
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,200
people who are just really mad
at each other recommitting

520
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,100
themselves to you know, to self
sacrifice for each other.

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,700
But it's also this really great
beautiful representation of what

522
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,000
it looks like to do that over
the course of a Lifetime.

523
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Well, and and really the only
thing that could have made that

524
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000
scene, like slightly more
powerful is if they had all done

525
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,600
it over a glass of whisky and
Bob, I really think I do know

526
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,900
your Segway is getting cut off.
I like, I literally, I went In

527
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,400
on my analysis and I was like,
Brad.

528
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,300
I'm gonna blow this dude away
with my analysis of this scene

529
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,700
and you just immediately.
Go to the whiskey segue.

530
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,500
How dare you sir?
Yeah, I'm really intrusive

531
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:46,300
whiskey, bro.
You Brad acknowledge acknowledge

532
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:50,000
my analysis.
Yeah, it was great, man, killing

533
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,900
it.
Let's do it Brett.

534
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,500
Alright so today we are checking
out Hancock's presidents

535
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,400
Reserve, Brad.
This is a Single Barrel Bourbon

536
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,100
that comes from the Buffalo,
Trace Corporation, our

537
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,000
favorites.
This is from their Mash bill.

538
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Number two recipe, which is
rumored to be a high recipe.

539
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800
The Rye is somewhere between 15
and 20% of the mash bill, but as

540
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,000
with most things at Buffalo
Trace, they don't disclose the

541
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,500
mash bill.
But we know that this is related

542
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,700
to Brands like Eh, Taylor and
Blanton's, they both come from

543
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,100
this Mash bill.
Now, eh Taylor we both really

544
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:10,700
liked Blanton's, we have been
hit or miss on depending on

545
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:14,400
which expression Hancock's is an
interesting one, because this is

546
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,000
the lowest proof offering from
that Mash bill at it's only

547
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,500
comes in at I believe 88.9 proof
or only you know, forty four and

548
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,000
a half essentially alcohol by
volume.

549
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,300
So I'm really interested to see
what this is like Brad because

550
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,900
the blames that we tried which
is again A Single Barrel.

551
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:36,700
So it could I've been off was so
so harsh at only what was it?

552
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:41,000
Like 103 proof so maybe this
will be a more pleasant drinking

553
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,900
experience.
Have you had any exposure to

554
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,100
Hancock's before?
Now aside from it, being a

555
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:52,600
Buffalo, Trace expression.
And we all know how I feel about

556
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,300
my exposure to the Buffalo.
Trace brand?

557
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,300
No, no.
I haven't Bob.

558
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,900
All right Brad.
So, let's get into it.

559
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,400
What are you picking up your on
the nose?

560
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:05,500
It's just not very Powerful in
any way, which, you know, whisky

561
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:09,300
doesn't have to be powerful to
get a great score for me,

562
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,900
there's like some soft spices
going on here, a little bit of

563
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:16,700
cinnamon, a little bit of a
baking spice that kind of mix

564
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,100
nicely with like a fresh Apple
Lee.

565
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,500
Add an a, I don't know some
something of a nice fresh scent

566
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,400
but you know, it's just kind of
nice and generically sweet.

567
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800
I'll give it a seven and a half
out of ten on the nose.

568
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,900
Yeah, I think honestly Brad if
you wanted to just You know,

569
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:37,100
Define Pleasant and inoffensive.
This is pretty much it.

570
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,700
There's nothing in here that I
would change.

571
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,800
I still wouldn't call it a
perfect nose, but this is kind

572
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,700
of like the epitome of a very
pleasant drinkable.

573
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,700
You know, when you, when, you
know something, you know, if

574
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,100
it's going to be drinkable or
not.

575
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,700
And this one is, it has all your
classic bourbon notes, which are

576
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,300
like you said tone down a little
bit, the baking spices are toned

577
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,500
down.
The alcohol is toned down.

578
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,600
You get some nice oak on this
and then you're right.

579
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,500
Brad for me.
It's red too.

580
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,900
Just Apple all the way.
And I really like that the fruit

581
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,500
mingles really well with the
oak.

582
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:11,400
We know that some Buffalo Trace
products, Brad and I found way

583
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,000
over oaked.
So I'm looking forward to this

584
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,100
because I think maybe at the
proof point.

585
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
You know, watering it down a
bit, will really help to

586
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,800
mitigate that.
I like this knows a lot, but

587
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,700
just like you Brad, it's nothing
to write home about.

588
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,600
I'll give it a seven and a half
on the nose.

589
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,700
Yeah.
And as I get into tasting this,

590
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,200
there's just not a lot going on
here.

591
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,100
I think.
Feel like there's some sweetness

592
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:37,300
going on.
That Apple note is continuing

593
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:41,600
on.
For me it gets decently okey and

594
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,800
a little bit spicy and it's not
it's not really working for me.

595
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,000
A ton its pleasant on the palate
but not great.

596
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400
I'll give it a 6 out of 10.
Oh yeah I'm not really enjoying

597
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,200
this on the taste Brad and it
really did seem to flip a switch

598
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,700
towards the back is very drastic
front of Mount.

599
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,700
You know front of your tongue.
In front of your palate to the

600
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,000
back of the palette, on the
front of your palate.

601
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
It's very thin.
But like you said, very

602
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,800
pleasantly, sweet.
Lots of apple juice here.

603
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,100
I wouldn't even call it apple
cider.

604
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:17,000
It's just like sugary nectar
kind of on the front of the

605
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,200
palate and then as soon as you
kick it to the back of your

606
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,200
mouth, you're right, really
okey.

607
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,700
Lots of smoke after you swallow
on the finish and it does kind

608
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,600
of it.
Borders on going bitter and a

609
00:33:28,608 --> 00:33:32,500
little bit sour on the end and
that's incredibly disappointing.

610
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,100
Because there was a lot of
Promise up front and you know,

611
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,300
we've both been saying this
already.

612
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,400
It's thin.
It's watered down, I get that.

613
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000
But even at a lower proof point,
I was like, oh this is gonna be

614
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,900
a really nice easy sipper.
It's not, it packs a punch but

615
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,800
not in a way that I like because
it just really hits you with

616
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Oak.
I'm only going to give this a 6

617
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400
out of 10 on the taste.
Yeah.

618
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,000
And and with the Finish once
again, it's kind of generically

619
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,300
sweet.
There's a little bit of vanilla

620
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:09,100
Tiny bit of maybe caramel for me
but it has a short to medium

621
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,199
Kentucky hug and it really
finishes with a little bit of a

622
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,300
rise spiciness that I kind of
like I'll give it a seven and a

623
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,500
half on the Finish.
It's decent, but not, not

624
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:22,800
overwhelmingly good.
Yeah, for me, it's like, if you

625
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,500
could pinpoint all of the
probably eight or nine different

626
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,699
flavors going on in the back end
and then pick the two least

627
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,100
Pleasant, those are the ones
that kind of carry through to

628
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,699
the Finish.
It's really a heavy Char and

629
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:37,500
kind of campfire smoke for me.
And then it's this really bitter

630
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:42,900
kind of grain tastes like it's
not quite straight Rye grain,

631
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,699
but I think the presence of that
much Oak makes this really go

632
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:49,500
bitter for me on the back end.
There's not a lot.

633
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:51,500
Like he said, there's not a
Kentucky hug, there's not a lot

634
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,600
of chest burn again.
It's only 88 proof.

635
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,800
So I wasn't expecting much there
but even when it just comes to

636
00:34:56,808 --> 00:34:59,900
the flavors that are left behind
on the palate, Brad, I think.

637
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,200
I can only give this like a five
and a half on the Finish.

638
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,400
It brings us into our balance
score.

639
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,800
It's a nice little poor.
There's little pops of flavor

640
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,500
here and there but nothing
really stands out.

641
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,800
I'll give it a six and a half on
balance.

642
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,900
It moves from each part to the
next decently.

643
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,500
Really, the flavor palate is
where this really struggles?

644
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,300
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a six.
If I took value into

645
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,400
consideration, I'd probably give
it a lower score, but that's why

646
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,300
we have a value category unto
itself.

647
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,500
If you told me, This was a
twenty dollar whiskey, I'd be

648
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,400
like yeah that makes a lot of
sense.

649
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,600
This this drinks, you know the
funny thing is I just bought a

650
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,500
bottle of Benchmark the other
day which was the very first one

651
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,100
we ever tried on this show.
I wanted to see how it held up.

652
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,900
This is way way better than
Benchmark but it's still at a

653
00:35:47,908 --> 00:35:52,800
proof point and it's still so
simple and not complex that I

654
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,500
would not be surprised if this
was only 20 or $25 and that

655
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,600
doesn't say much for it.
I'm only going to give it a 6 on

656
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,500
balance and that's where things
get weird Brad because now it's

657
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,800
For the value category and MSRP
on.

658
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,800
This is $50.
You will not find it anywhere.

659
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Anywhere anywhere for $50.
It is going for ridiculous.

660
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Prices on the secondary Market.
I when I just type the name of

661
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,700
this product into Google.
The second result on Marketplace

662
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,900
was 235 dollars for a bottle of
this.

663
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,000
I would say that you are lucky.
If you can get a bottle of this

664
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,200
for $100, like usually the
markup on this is at least

665
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,800
double what they asked for it.
And that is absolutely

666
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,200
ridiculous.
And I will say this of it Brad.

667
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,500
I truly hated the sample of
Blanton's that we got.

668
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,300
When it just comes to the
regular blatant single barrel.

669
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,500
And I would still say that I
would, I would find paying

670
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,400
double the cost for that
Blanton's.

671
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,200
More justifiable than paying
$100 for this, this is 25

672
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,700
dollar.
Whiskey, that is, commanding a

673
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:03,300
over $100 on the market.
Yeah, you know, Bob with With us

674
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:08,000
watching, such a pleasant movie
in Meet Me in st.

675
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,900
Louis, I feel that today is the
day.

676
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:16,600
The the one day I will give a
reprieve to the Buffalo Trace

677
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,200
company, what?
And and just say, you know what?

678
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:27,100
Let it be man, I'm fine.
I'm gonna give it a 2 out of 10

679
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,300
on Bali.
Yeah, but I'm not going to rant

680
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:31,200
about it.
If you need to hear my rants,

681
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,900
there are plenty of epi.
Uh, so d'z go check them out.

682
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,700
I don't even know what they are.
You can hear my rants on Buffalo

683
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,300
Trace, but today it's a 2 out of
10 on value.

684
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,900
I also gave it a 2 out of 10 and
I feel like that is being

685
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,600
generous.
If you've ever seen this bottle

686
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,400
on the Shelf, it is the most
kind of what's the word blase

687
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,100
nondescript bottle.
It has a really ugly kind of

688
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,100
gold.
Foil sticker slapped on it.

689
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,800
It looks like it looks like
fifteen dollar Whiskey on the

690
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,500
shelf and I'm really glad we got
to try this.

691
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,500
This sample was given Us by our
friend, Tyler @tk, bourbon on

692
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:09,100
Instagram, he lives locally to
me, I would never have been able

693
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,100
to try this otherwise because it
is so rare and hard to find.

694
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,300
And I'm really glad that I got
to try it as a sample for this

695
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,500
show because Brad, I would not
recommend buying this and I

696
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,800
really don't recommend trying
it, like it's okay, but even a

697
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,800
poor of this at a whiskey bar is
going to cost you like, I don't

698
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,200
know, 15 bucks.
Probably, there's no way that a

699
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,400
poor of this is worth $15.
Yeah.

700
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,300
Yeah.
Bob, you're trying to suck me in

701
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,500
to talk and crap about Buffalo
Trace and I'm not going to do it

702
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:39,900
today.
I'll do it.

703
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,000
I'll do it for the both of us.
Man.

704
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,100
Do it, man, go.
Yeah, you go for it.

705
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,800
You got this.
Bob, I'm coming out to a twenty

706
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,100
seven out of fifty.
Brad, where you at?

707
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,900
I'm at a twenty nine point five
out of 50, really taking Mercy

708
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:52,700
on this one.
I see.

709
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Now, I, I mean, you know what,
this is the first whiskey in a

710
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,500
while, Bob now that I'm thinking
about it, I don't know the last

711
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,400
whiskey, that you and I both
came out.

712
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,300
Under a 30 out of 50 on know,
it's been a minute and we've had

713
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,000
some bad Whiskey's on this show.
Now I will say, like I don't

714
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,100
think this is a bad whiskey if
this was priced at the price of

715
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,500
regular Buffalo Trace.
Well, you know what it's

716
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,100
supposed to be and was 25 bucks.
I'd say like, yeah, maybe this

717
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,600
would be a good entry level
bourbon for some people.

718
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,500
It's just, it's never going to
be worth.

719
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:25,900
What?
It's commanding out there on the

720
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,300
secondary Market.
Bob you do it?

721
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:32,400
Push me here, do it.
Screw Buffalo, Trace him.

722
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,400
Why the hell do they put this
whiskey out?

723
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:39,900
And they expect people to pay
freaking top dollar for it and

724
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,000
they try to drive it drive it up
because they only release a

725
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
little bit of it and I make the
mystery because they barely put

726
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,100
any information about it, you
have to go to sazeracs website,

727
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,800
to find any, you know,
information about this, stupid

728
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,300
freaking bourbon.
That's garbage.

729
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:59,200
Like, what are they doing?
I hate that the whistle.

730
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,800
And now I'm going to turn the
whiskey Community for a second,

731
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,500
I hate that.
Whiskey Community.

732
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:07,100
Buys their she like stopped
buying Buffalo.

733
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:13,500
Trace they put out stuff in such
a just just uh manner that I

734
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,300
just as a company they're
garbage.

735
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Let the hate flow through you
brat.

736
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,200
We are coming out to an average
of a 28 point 25 out of 50 or a

737
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,700
56 and a half out of 100.
I do not recommend Bradley, I

738
00:40:28,707 --> 00:40:31,100
can tell you do it, here's the
here's the thing.

739
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:35,400
Bob, if they put this Out.
Even at like, let's just say $35

740
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,300
and they made it widely
available and everybody could

741
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:39,600
try it and go.
Yeah.

742
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,900
You know, it's not quite 35
dollar whiskey.

743
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,800
But okay.
That's not the biggest, you

744
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,200
know, dent in my wallet.
I'd be fine with it, but they

745
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,600
put it out at $50 a bottle.
They barely release any of it.

746
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:58,200
They MIT just don't buy this.
Just don't I'm actually feeling

747
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,300
really good now because no
matter what you were thinking

748
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,600
about meet me in st.
Louis Before this.

749
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,700
I know now that you will like
that movie way more than you

750
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,100
like this whiskey.
So Brad, what do you say?

751
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,800
We hop back into talking about
meet me in st.

752
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,700
Louis, I would love to do that.
Robert.

753
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,700
All right, that was Hancock's
president's Reserve.

754
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,000
We are getting back into talking
about meet me in st.

755
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,500
Louis and Brad, you've informed
me off.

756
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,800
Are that you have a new segment
to introduce to the film.

757
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,200
And whiskey podcast, I await
this with bated breath, my

758
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,500
friend.
Yeah.

759
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:14,600
So last week, we debuted a new
segment called.

760
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,500
Why the hell is he in this movie
this week?

761
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:22,100
We're debuting the new segment
that I am going to call director

762
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:26,800
Swap and Bob as you were talking
about the End of this movie that

763
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,600
this movie kind of inspires hope
in any viewer.

764
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,400
You know, I kind of talked a
little bit about how like this

765
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,500
is the family that like we want
to be true that we want to be a

766
00:42:37,508 --> 00:42:40,500
part of and that really
coalesces at the end of this

767
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,100
film.
It really just made me think

768
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:49,300
about another director, really,
a set of directors that are a

769
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:52,500
little bit in a different vein
of looking at the world and I'm

770
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,400
just curious.
Bob, if you Opt to directors and

771
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,300
instead of Vincente Minnelli,
what would the ending of this

772
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,200
movie?
Look like if it had been

773
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,300
directed by the Coen Brothers by
the Coen Brothers.

774
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:09,500
Um, well, it'd be much more
nihilistic.

775
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,300
I don't know.
I'd love to see like the No

776
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,800
Country ending just just, you
know, superimpose on to this

777
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,300
movie where 2D actually does end
up just kind of killing

778
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:21,800
everyone.
Yeah.

779
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
In a very cold and calculated
way and then just wanders off.

780
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:29,200
Then it cuts to John Truitt and
he's like, you know, I had a

781
00:43:29,207 --> 00:43:32,600
dream that that they were going
to go to New York and they were

782
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,400
going to live a good life and
then I woke up and then that's

783
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,100
the end of meet me in st.
Louis, but just cut to Black the

784
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,700
end.
Finn.

785
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,300
Oh man, this is gonna be a great
segment.

786
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,100
Brad director swap.
I love it.

787
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,400
Yeah, I'm a big fan so far.
I just, I just couldn't get over

788
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,200
the idea of Anton chigurh being
In this movie, heads would go to

789
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,900
New York, tales Mister here,
call it, Judy Garland's.

790
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:05,800
Like I need to know what I stand
to lose and he's like no you

791
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:16,300
don't call it your whole life.
All right, I'm actually going to

792
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:18,800
in the spirit of that.
I'm going to resurrect a

793
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,200
segment.
We haven't done in a while and

794
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,000
that is hot.
Takes hot tea.

795
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Now normally hot.
X is where we look on IMDb or

796
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,700
Amazon Prime and we find one
star reviews of the movie, we

797
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,300
were reviewing that week.
Brad, this is going to be the

798
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,100
most unique hot takes ever
because in doing research on

799
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:39,100
this film, I found a book that
was written about this movie for

800
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,100
the British Film Institute.
It's fantastic little book and

801
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,000
there are talking about the fact
that this movie had basically no

802
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,100
complaints come into the studio
afterwards, which is, you know

803
00:44:48,107 --> 00:44:50,800
really saying something, because
people love to complain, they

804
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,600
said only two complaints were
received by people who had seen

805
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,400
this movie.
Be back in 1944.

806
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,900
Wait, so what you're saying is
this is a hot take from 19 1944

807
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,200
where we do not excited.
So one of the two complaints

808
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,100
that was written into the MGM
Studios was from a mr.

809
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,800
AP Broadfield from Poughkeepsie,
New York, and this is what he

810
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,500
said, gentlemen.
I witnessed the showing of your

811
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:19,400
picture meet me in st.
Louis, and enjoyed it very much.

812
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,400
However, I did see a flaw in the
scene in the dining room while

813
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,600
having supper mr.
With crunched on celery, which

814
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,500
was of the Pascal variety.
I do not believe that.

815
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:32,600
Particular kind of celery was in
existence in 1903.

816
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,200
Thank you very much for the
enjoyment of a really nice

817
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,600
picture.
I am very truly yours AP broad

818
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,700
field, dude, that's it.
This man, this man wrote a

819
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:46,600
letter to just tell them, hey, I
found it.

820
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,400
Is this man would would fit
right into the dce you like

821
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
fandom like this.
Dude wrote into the studio to

822
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,100
say hi, I recognized the celery
and it is not historically

823
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,600
accurate celery.
This letter is proof that

824
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,200
internet trolls existed before
the internet.

825
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:07,400
You know, nothing.
Nothing against mr.

826
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,400
AP Broadfield.
I don't know what he did in his

827
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,800
day-to-day life, but the fact
that the thing that has survived

828
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,900
him, the longest in on Earth is
a letter that he wrote just

829
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,800
shown on MGM about their
anachronistic.

830
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Use of celery is is the funniest
thing I've Ever seen, dude,

831
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,900
because that that's the thing
that you look for in movies, man

832
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:35,600
is like Horticultural aspects of
set design and like, you know,

833
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,500
choices will eat it all meant to
introduce another segment that

834
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:43,700
just called celery watch, since
the bubble bubble, bubble, that

835
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,000
historically, accurate celery, I
don't know.

836
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,600
I'm not sure this has been
another episode of celery,

837
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,000
watch, Brad before we get out of
here today.

838
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,300
I do want to talk About the song
Have Yourself, a Merry Little

839
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,900
Christmas and this movie does
have really good songs in it.

840
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,700
You know, for only having a few,
the trolley song, The Judy

841
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,700
Garland sings is one of the most
famous musical songs and there's

842
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,100
so many directions we could go,
but I want to make sure we talk

843
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,400
about.
Have Yourself a Merry Little

844
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Christmas.
The song was written for this

845
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,700
movie.
Judy Garland is the first person

846
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:19,400
to ever sing Have Yourself.
A Merry Little Christmas and I

847
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,400
think that the thing people
don't really realize is that

848
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,500
once the song, kind of hit the
ABS.

849
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:27,300
They change the words a little
bit.

850
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,600
And the funny thing is, even the
version that we have in this

851
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,600
movie was not the original,
like, the lyrics were initially

852
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,400
weiwei satyr and Judy Garland
was like, I am not sending this

853
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,100
because initially, the something
went Have Yourself a Merry

854
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:42,900
Little Christmas, it may be your
last next year we may all be

855
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:45,700
living in the past and she said
that.

856
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:47,800
So that's the Coen Brothers.
Yeah, there it is.

857
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,500
It was that sausage you to God?
I was like, nah, I'm not, I'm

858
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:53,800
not saying that, but what I've
really noticed is that when you

859
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,600
listen to the song on the radio,
Yo, now, they only made slight

860
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,500
changes, but they really do
change the meaning of the song.

861
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,400
So, in the movie, the song goes
Have Yourself a Merry Little

862
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Christmas, let your heart be
light.

863
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,100
Next year, all our troubles will
be out of sight and you know if

864
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,800
you've listened to on the radio,
they change that to from now on

865
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,200
and I really kind of hate that
because I love the way that it's

866
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:20,000
written in this movie and the
closing lines of the song where,

867
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
you know, if you're familiar
with the song, it's the hang a

868
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,300
shining star upon the highest
bough in the V.

869
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:29,000
It's until then we'll have to
muddle through somehow and not

870
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,800
only does it fit the context of
the movie really well, which is

871
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,800
this family, that is really sad
on Christmas and trying to find

872
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,600
a glimmer of hope to get them
through.

873
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,700
If you look at the historical
context of the movie like this

874
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:44,500
movie comes out in 1944, it's
the middle of World War two.

875
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:49,100
Most people who are married to
able-bodied men.

876
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,700
In America are separated from
them at this point.

877
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:53,800
Like they've been drafted into
the war, they're fighting

878
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,700
overseas.
It's a time where people are

879
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:58,900
going through something and
Christmas Is Not What It

880
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:02,300
normally is and I just kind of
hate that.

881
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,000
We took a song that I wouldn't
even call it a sad song, but I

882
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,300
think that there are times in
life where, you know, you have

883
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,300
to be okay with making the best
of what you have and to have a

884
00:49:12,308 --> 00:49:15,100
Christmas song that
acknowledges, like not every

885
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,900
Christmas is going to be this
like, idyllic Norman Rockwell

886
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,500
existence and that sometimes,
you know, you just have to hope

887
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,600
that next year.
It's ailing me now or what's

888
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,900
coming up against me.
Now, is going to be gone and I

889
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:32,700
hate that we've like sanitize
that and we've changed it.

890
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,600
I don't know Brad, I'm sure that
you noticed the lyrics being a

891
00:49:35,607 --> 00:49:38,200
little bit different in the
movie than they, normally are

892
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,300
what which version do you
prefer?

893
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:42,300
Or what did you think of the
version in this movie?

894
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,300
Well, I think that like with a
lot of things that that American

895
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:51,400
culture has taken something that
points to just as simple reality

896
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,600
which is this world isn't
perfect.

897
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,600
And we've washed it clean.
Like you said, we've sanitized

898
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,200
it to a feel-good black.
Well, it's Christmas.

899
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,100
And from now on our troubles
will they'll just got now

900
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:09,400
they're gone by and like the
reality.

901
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,200
Is that I think the original
lyrics for the song point to one

902
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,400
of the most beautiful like
absolute truths about this world

903
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:23,200
and the Human Condition which is
that most problems that when we

904
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,700
look at them a year down the
road, They're really not that

905
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:31,600
they're much more of a anthill
than a mountain right?

906
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,600
That we're at a point though
where it's just easier to

907
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,200
pretend like no problem is a
problem from the moment it

908
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,500
happens and so I don't know.
I just I love the way that the

909
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,900
the movie presents like yep,
we're sad right now.

910
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:50,800
We're okay with that sadness and
a year from now, it'll probably

911
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,300
be a little bit better and and
recognizing that a year from now

912
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,500
it'll be a little bit.
It better isn't impeding or

913
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,800
changing the fact that I'm sad
right now and that's okay.

914
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Yeah, well and I think that's
the reason that this has kind of

915
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,000
entered my Christmas movie
rotation every year.

916
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Like I don't know that I would
call this a Christmas movie Just

917
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,700
because it has a huge Christmas
scene in it, but it is important

918
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:14,800
that the, the emotional kind of
climax of this movie happens at

919
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,900
Christmas time.
You have this really wonderful,

920
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,900
beautiful moment where Judy
Garland goes to the ball and

921
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,400
everything has gotten messed up.
John can't go because he doesn't

922
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,100
have a tuxedo.
Playing Auld Lang Syne and she's

923
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,000
dancing with their grandpa and
they're both crying because they

924
00:51:29,008 --> 00:51:31,300
have to move away.
And he sees John, enter, from

925
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,600
across the room and Spins her
kind of behind this tree.

926
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,700
And when they come out from
behind the Christmas tree, it's

927
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:40,200
her and John, and it's just such
a touching, beautiful moment

928
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,400
that leads right into, like you
said going home and having to

929
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,900
comfort 2D, who is like in
hysterics about having to move

930
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:51,000
to New York and she goes outside
and destroys all these snowman

931
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,700
and she's breaking down and you
finally see the dad have his

932
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:56,000
realization.
This is not what I want for my

933
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,500
family and it does resolve in
this really beautiful kind of

934
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:03,000
reconciliation where everybody
truly understands like the

935
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,500
meaning of Christmas and it
wouldn't work if you didn't have

936
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:11,900
like the Spectre or the idea of
the sad part of Christmas

937
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,600
hanging over the whole thing.
And like you said, Brad, it

938
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,700
really does just demonstrate.
If, if you want to appreciate

939
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,500
what you have, like you have to
acknowledge both the good and

940
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,900
the bad.
And I think that is why this

941
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:27,100
movie works.
Well for me because it doesn't

942
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:30,100
shy away from the hard stuff
that family families, go through

943
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:33,300
and yet when the happy ending
comes at the end of the movie,

944
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:36,300
it doesn't just feel like
attacked on Hollywood ending.

945
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,700
It feels like a family that you
have watched really go through

946
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:42,200
some stuff.
Come out the other side stronger

947
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,500
and you know, I'm going to use
my final moments in this episode

948
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:49,400
to do Bob.
I am going to disparage another

949
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,600
movie.
We watched because of how much

950
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,800
better this movie it will please
Mary.

951
00:52:54,900 --> 00:53:01,400
E Poppins is a terrible movie
and when you look at Mary

952
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,100
Poppins in light of meet me in
st.

953
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,500
Louis, I think you understand
why?

954
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,300
Because like, when you look at
Mary Poppins, it feels like

955
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,100
they're trying to create this
family with these young children

956
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:16,900
who are imaginative and
inventive and and this, you know

957
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,200
magical Nanny that takes them on
adventures.

958
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,600
But in the end, there's not a
single thing about their family

959
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,700
that like Rings.
True Whereas like this story

960
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:33,000
just has such a beautiful heart
at the center of it that you

961
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,400
can't help but fall in love with
the family that every single

962
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,400
character is quirky and unique
and fun and interesting.

963
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,400
And the way that they interact
with one another, the emotions

964
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200
they draw out of each other.
It just really makes for a

965
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,800
beautiful movie and Mary Poppins
just misses on all of those

966
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,000
fronts, you know?
And it's really funny.

967
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,300
You bring that up though because
I definitely wrote down that the

968
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,200
dad and this He was giving off
major mr.

969
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,100
Banks phibes.
Like it's the same day, you

970
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,400
know, he's not dumb.
He's just not observant to

971
00:54:01,408 --> 00:54:04,400
what's going on around him and I
really do.

972
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,000
I agree with you Brad.
I think this movie is superior.

973
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:09,300
I'm just going to go ahead and
give my 10/10.

974
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,500
Now, this is one of my favorite
movies ever.

975
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,600
It's my favorite of the MGM
musicals.

976
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,200
And I think when, when people
hear that, you know, like I said

977
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,300
before, you think about this
thing in the reins of the world,

978
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,500
this movie just means more to me
than that.

979
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:25,000
And I think it gets at something
way deeper than that.

980
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,500
And and that's why I cherish it
so much for me.

981
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:30,700
It's a 10 out of 10.
I want to hear what you think

982
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:33,600
though, Brad.
Bob, I'm pretty close to you.

983
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,400
I think it's a 9 out of 10 for
me.

984
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:39,400
I think it's just charming and
pleasant, and fun, and

985
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,500
nostalgic, and it hits you with
all the fields.

986
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,600
It's not a perfect musical for
me.

987
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,200
I really, really do love it.
I think I'm going to kind of end

988
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,200
with a little bit of a
Bittersweet note that I'm not

989
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,000
sure what it is.
About content that survives the

990
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,400
test of time.
Like when you look at music they

991
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,600
like there's there has been so
much music produced out there

992
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:08,000
and yet still 40 years later,
we're listening to The Beatles

993
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,800
and the stones.
And so many other bands have

994
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,800
just Fallen by the wayside.
And I hate to say it.

995
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,400
Bob, as much as I genuinely love
this movie, I just have a

996
00:55:17,408 --> 00:55:20,900
feeling that, like, 40 or 50
years from now, almost.

997
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,000
Nobody will have remembered meet
me in st.

998
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,100
Louis.
Yeah.

999
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,300
And that does make me sad.
And I think that, you know, I am

1000
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:29,800
trying to be part of the vocal
minority, because I think that

1001
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,200
people who have seen this movie
like advocate for it very

1002
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,900
strongly, I wish that it cracks
the afi's top 100 but you're

1003
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:38,500
right.
Brad, it's not as big and

1004
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:42,300
splashy and kind of like instant
gratification as Singing in the

1005
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,200
Rain is.
But to me, it's the superior

1006
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,200
film and I would love to see
somebody listen to this podcast

1007
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,300
and decide to go watch this
movie as a result.

1008
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,200
I don't think you'll be
disappointed.

1009
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,700
We are coming out to a nine and
a half. 5 out of 10 on average,

1010
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,200
but we want to know what you
think.

1011
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,000
If you've seen Meet Me In St.
Louis if you're inspired to see

1012
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,900
it by our podcast, let us know
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1013
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:08,800
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1014
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,100
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Let your voice be heard to talk

1015
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,500
about meet me in st.
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1016
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:20,500
by going to our website, which
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1017
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,200
next week.
We'll be back talking about

1018
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,000
another surprisingly, sweet
movie Cameron Crowe, Rose 2000,

1019
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,300
comedy, Almost Famous.
We'll see you next week for that

1020
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,600
until then I'm Bob book.
I'm Reggie and we'll see you

1021
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:33,200
next time.