Lawrence of Arabia / Bushmills Black Bush

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In 1962, director, David lean
and star.

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Peter O'Toole, gave the world of
five course, meal of a drama

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full of rivalries, ambition War
impassable desert.

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And of course camels.
Lots and lots of camels in 2022.

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We finish out a flight from a
famous Irish whiskey maker.

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The film is Lawrence of Arabia,
the whiskey is Bushmills, Black

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Bush and we'll review them both
this is Is the film and whiskey

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podcast,
welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and

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this We are kicking off three
films by the director David

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lean.
We're going out of chronological

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order, as you'll come to see.
I were actually going in reverse

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chronological order because we
are looking at one of the most

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famous.
Highly regarded universally

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praised, movies of all time.
Currently sits, I believe at

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number five on the afi's, 100
greatest films of all time list

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and we had not gotten around to
it.

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I'm talking about Lawrence of
Arabia, Brad.

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This is a, this is pretty
Monumental episode for us.

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Yeah, it is the longest movie we
have watched in filming whiskey

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podcast.
History.

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It's so long.
It is such a long movie, but

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just keeps going.
And, and then like, it's not

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even like the Return of the King
problem, where you think that

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there's a lot of endings.
Like, I don't know.

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I think you could have stopped
this movie after an hour and

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people would be like, yeah, that
was a full movie.

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Yeah.
And you could have done the same

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thing, an hour and a half to two
and a half three, three and a

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half.
But for some reason, he chose

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three hours and 47 minutes to
be, you know what we're done.

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Now, I'm over it, we're closing
the book now.

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It's this is where we ended, you
know, a good place to start.

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Today might be talking about
long movies because I'm going to

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be real with you Brad.
I have lots of thoughts on this

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movie, but I really struggled to
kind of put them down on paper

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and form a coherent structure
for this episode.

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Usually I have, you know, I'm
going to talk about this and

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then that will lead into this
and we put together the bones of

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an episode.
I really, I just feel like I

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have so many disparate thoughts
going on in my mind that we're

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just probably going to talk and
they'll get shaken loose at some

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point.
But since we're already on the

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topic of long movies, this
really inspired in me a tension,

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I guess about like, what's it
going to be like to try to

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explain?
In long movies to someone who's

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coming of age.
Now, when there really isn't a

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utilitarian need to make a long
movie anymore, like, everything

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is serialized, everything is
made for Disney plus and they

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make it in, you know, eight half
hours or 40 minutes or whatever

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length.
And then you get these little

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mini seasons of a show.
And so instead of telling one

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long movie, even like things
that could be a

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two-and-a-half-hour movie are
now made into like four-part

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miniseries.
Series that they show on Hulu.

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Everything is serialized now and
it's because you have the

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opportunity to stop and re-watch
and go back and you didn't have

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that in 1962.
And so the idea of a long movie,

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I mean, like, it's got to be
hard to even explain why people

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were interested in that too.
You know, I like a teenager

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today, it would be like, telling
them like, hey, like, you know,

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that TV show Sherlock, that's
really good.

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Like just watched three episodes
in a row without stopping or

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Turning it off, or taking a
break and that's what it would

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be like to watch Lawrence of
Arabia in theaters, you get 10

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minutes to get up and walk
around in p and then you gotta

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come back and watch more.
I don't even know if it was 10

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minutes, dude.
I think it was like five or six.

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Yeah, yeah, it's, you really got
to make sure there's no line

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like, you gotta, I've gotta make
a beeline for the bathroom p and

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then immediately, run back to
the theater.

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Yeah, I Bob, I think that long
movies really are a Add art

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form.
Yeah, I just don't see this ever

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coming back.
Like Lord of the Rings, is the

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last movies.
I can think of that were wildly

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popular and longer than 180
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Well, I mean, even with the
Hobbit movies, you know, the

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first two were, you know, the
first ones, three hours.

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The second one is almost three
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first of all, you could tell
that they had stretched the plot

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too thin and they really had
just run out of things to say,

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but I think that movie is only
like 2 hours and 20 minutes.

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And it's by far the Artists in
that sort of Middle-earth Saga

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button, you know, the Return of
the King really was the last

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movie that did this.
And from that point on Studio

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started to get a little bit,
wiser about squeezing money out

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of people.
And so, you know, the last Harry

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Potter movie gets split into two
movies instead of being one long

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movie and then they do that with
every successive IP.

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The Hunger Games two movies at
the end, you know, Twilight, two

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movies, at the end, everything
is two movies and wildly wildly

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successful franchise.
I like wasn't me.

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I didn't say it was good, but it
was definitely successful.

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They made a lot of money off of
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You can trace the direct lineage
from Lawrence of Arabia.

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All the way through to the
Twilight films is what I'm sure.

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Can they are both movies.
Yeah, I don't know, man.

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I've just been thinking about
like, it's really interesting.

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As we talk about our movie
theaters, going to die, our

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movies, going to die.
Is everything just going to get

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replaced with with TV shows now
because we have no need to go

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out and watch a long form.
Version of this.

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And I think Dune, what's that?
How long was?

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Dune?
Dune was like to, like just a

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little over two and a half, it
felt like every like it's a big

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movie and it has a lot of this
going on in it.

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But it also and I mean I didn't
crack the three hour mark.

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So you just don't have movies
like this anymore and I

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understand like it's one of
those things where would it be

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cool to have an Epic movie?
Every now and then that is just

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a freaking long movie.
Yes, it would but even as a guy

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Who loves Cinema and loves the
idea of that.

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It's like, that's a hard sell.
Yeah, I'm curious Bob.

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Do you are you upset that the
long form film, you know, 3 plus

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our movie is a dying?
If not dead breed.

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I think that.
Yes.

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And no, like, I don't miss
having my entire day taken up by

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a movie anymore.
And it is really nice to be able

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to watch a movie like this in
multiple chunks, like, on my

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couch.
But there is something about

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like, When you get a three and a
half hour movie, you don't

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usually get a three-and-a-half
hour movie.

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That's about like two people
walking gently through the

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English Countryside.
Like it's theirs.

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There is a an event nice about
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And like, we have event movie
still, like, I would say, Dune

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was a great one where, like, I
walked into that movie knowing

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the scope and the scale of this
is going to be massive, but even

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then it was like, man.
If this had been made 10 years

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earlier, would they have given
Denis Villeneuve?

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The Leeway to make it be 3 hours
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Like, could this have been a
Titanic length movie instead of

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a gladiator length movie?
You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, I would.
But I've never heard of that

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movie.
So don't feel like anybody's

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ever told me about it.
I mean I guess we are hey we're

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getting Avatar 2 is coming out
in a couple weeks here and yeah

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the official runtime on that is
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So.
Okay Jimmy will our boy.

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Jim Cameron is trying real hard
to bring it back.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, well,
we'll see how much that

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resonates with, with the public.
I still am not sure why the

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original Avatar was.
So, such a hit, but we'll see if

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it maintains its cultural
cachet, if you will.

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I really just don't see it
holding up very well.

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All right.
Well, how does this all apply to

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Lawrence of Arabia?
I guess we have to address that

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at some point since that's the
film of the day.

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So let's Take a step back.
Let's transition to Brad

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explains.
This is the part of the podcast,

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where Brad breaks down the plot
of the movie that he has just

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seen often for the first time
Brad.

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This was your first time seeing
Lawrence of Arabia, right?

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And it sure was.
Yeah.

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Do you think that, whatever your
opinion of the movie, overall?

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Do you think that it's better
that we watched this movie like

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in season six than if we had
watched it in season one.

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Yeah, I think that.
Well, I don't know because this

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is the kind of movie.
I grew up watching, mmm.

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Okay.
Just not necessarily a

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three-hour one, you know what I
mean?

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Yeah.
Like I feel like what this

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really feels like a lot of
different westerns.

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Like honestly as we were
watching this, I was thinking

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about the Searchers, you know,
and I know that the search was

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obviously a big influence on
David lean.

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But are what wait, was it the
other way?

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Well, you're right.
It was he watching them watching

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a ton to prepare for how to
shoot this baby.

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Yeah.
So it really reminded me of a

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lot of westerns.
So honestly I think I would have

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gotten along just fine with it.
The length would have gotten me

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a little bit.
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Well I think this is like one of
those movies and we'll get into

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talking about.
I'm already stepping on Brad

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explains here but it's one of
those movies where like you

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remember how big and how long
and how epic the scope is.

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But when you get into the
nitty-gritty of watching the

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movie, like it's a very interior
movie and there's not a lot of

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dialogue and there's a lot of
time to ruminate on the theme.

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Things that are going on in the
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And so it's a much smaller movie
told on a really, really big

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scale.
And I wonder like if that would

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have been as effective when we
first started diving into movies

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and season 1, as it is now that
we've got, you know, 200 under

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our belts here.
But I guess he was like I guess

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we'll find out because it's time
for us to put 60 seconds on the

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clock here.
Brad is going to try to break

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down the plot of this film.
All right you got one minute and

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go.
It's of Arabia, is a film loose

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biopic of a man named TE
Lawrence, who is a British

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officer who somehow was able to
unite the, the disparate Waring

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rivalry rivalry ridden, tribes
of Arabia, and yeah, and worked

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with them so that they could
fight off the Turkish invading

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Force.
This was set in, probably

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nineteen eighteen or nineteen,
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During World War One and he was
massively successful in his

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Venture.
He saves the lives of a lot of

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Arabians.
He leads them in battle, he

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blows up trains.
It's it, there's all sorts of

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like you said, Bob it's an
interior movie.

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It's showing how TE Lawrence
really struggled to understand

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who he was in this world and
what he wanted to be and where

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he wanted to lead them and if he
would be able to do it and it's

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it is the very Finish in of an
Epic film.

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Yes.
All right.

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I want to I want to focus in a
little bit on Lawrence as a

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character.
Because if there is still one

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part of this movie, I struggle
with its that the movie kind of

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hinges on the fact that nobody,
including Lawrence himself.

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Really understands Lawrence is
motivations.

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And so, because he is an enigma
to everyone, it's really hard to

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portray.
A that on film, especially when

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you're being asked to follow
this characters Arc over four

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hours and I'll admit, I think
every once in a while, it really

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tried my patience and the length
of the movie, didn't try, my

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patience.
The pace of the movie, didn't

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try my patience.
It was the fact that I couldn't

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tell if Lawrence was a hero or a
villain or simply meant to be a

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complicated character.
And I think, obviously, you

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know, the end of the movie, It's
Like Citizen Kane in that way,

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where everyone has their opinion
of him and no one truly knows

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him.
But I found Lawrence himself to

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actually be a far less
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someone like, Charles Foster
Kane, who, you know, for all of

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his flaws was at least very
charismatic and TE Lawrence is

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not that and so it just it was a
struggle for me to sympathize to

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even at some point, like, expend
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This character.
Because after a while it was, I

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don't know.
It just like the futility of

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trying to understand this
character really set into me and

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that led to some aggravation.
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Yeah, I am 100% with you, Bob.
I think that the beauty of Cain

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in, you know, in Citizen Kane is
the fact that he gives you just

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enough of a backstory that you
feel the, the tension of his

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childhood.
Propelling him on to do great

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things.
Whereas like with Lawrence it

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doesn't feel like there's any
real motivation for him to do

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the things that he's doing.
He just kind of gets really

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riled up randomly about random
things and then gets really down

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on himself and and depressed and
feels like he can't do anything,

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right?
And then, all it takes is one

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person to be like, but Lawrence.
You can do it and he's like, I

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never thought of it that he's
like I am a guy.

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God like I yes yes it's very
up-and-down.

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Existence for TE Lawrence.
Yes.

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And I like honestly it it felt
weirdly prescient of the Mental

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Health crisis that we have in
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I don't where I'm like but yes,
but you know what I mean?

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Like watching him felt like a
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somebody who is struggling with
their mental health and has

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times of manic.
The and then long periods of

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depression and, you know,
everything in between and yet

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while he is doing all of this.
He's also you know, Gathering a

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warband of Arabian Warriors and
like destroying the Turkish

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forces in the area and aiding
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Turks and it's just it's a wild
plot that I'm like I can barely

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believe as the the as the
audience member, you know.

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So I think maybe this is a good
place to talk about some of the

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subtext of the movie.
Usually we get into this kind of

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stuff in the back half, but
because like the movie is called

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Lawrence of Arabia, right?
It is it is about him and it's

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not even so much about what he
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about who he is or the
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And because of that, you know,
it's been widely speculated

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forever.
That Lawrence was homosexual And

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obviously, they can't portray
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least not.
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some scenes that suggest it.
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you know, in the last hour of
the movie where he's captured by

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the Turkish forces and the the
Turkish Bay is very obviously

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wanting to rape him and probably
does rape him and it's it

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affects Lawrence.
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the film after that.
So there's definitely like

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there's a lot of homosexual
subtext going on in this movie

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and David lean even says you
know I tried to suggest Chest

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that he may have a relationship
with these two young boys that

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he was taking across the desert,
and maybe him and this

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character, Sheriff Ali had a
romantic relationship and all,

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you know, I don't want to set
that aside but they use that

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subtext to drive home.
The point that Lawrence doesn't

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belong anywhere and that he
feels like an outsider wherever

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he goes, and that no amount of
adulation from people.

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No amount of conquering, you
know, being a conquering Force

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No amount of building himself up
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No amount of self-hatred makes
him feel like he understands

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himself.
And so the, the homosexual

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component of the movie is used
to reinforce that and again, I

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really like that.
They are using those themes to

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reinforce the larger theme, but
it never feels like it goes

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anywhere.
It just it's, I mean, it's

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ultimately that's a very sad
movie like this.

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Guy just is doomed to never feel
like he belongs anywhere and

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that's kind of like the last
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I don't know.
I just I feel like there's no

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closure to the film.
There's and because it leaves

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you with that open-endedness,
and that sort of like, oh, we're

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not going out with a bang.
We're going out with a whimper

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here at the end of the film.
I've just always really

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struggled with those decisions,
not that they're wrong, but they

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just don't always work for me.
Well, that's why I think you The

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opening of the movie is him, you
know, riding his motorcycle and

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the English Countryside, and
he's still like pushing the

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envelope, pushing the limits,
because he's not comfortable

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with where he's at.
He's, you know, always has to be

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flying forward into the future.
And I think that the thing that

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people remember about, Lawrence
of Arabia, isn't really much of

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anything what we've talked about
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It's the desert.
Yeah, right.

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Like, that's what you remember
about.

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Lawrence of Arabia but I think I
think that what lien tried to

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do, And I think it's something
he does.

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Extraordinarily successfully is
to say that, like, you can never

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predict what the desert will do.
You can't understand the

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difficulties of living in such
an arid terrain, until you've

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been there.
And even once you've been there,

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you like the Arabians that he
works with continually tell him

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like you are crazy, you don't
understand the desert.

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No one can understand the desert
like it.

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I will kill you before you come
to know it.

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Yeah.
And I think that it's a obvious

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metaphor for TE Lawrence
himself.

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Like he is completely a noble,
even to himself.

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He can't figure out the things
that he does.

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Yeah.
And so I think that the way lean

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pairs, those two themes and you
know, kind of entwines them into

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one driving force for the film
is really admirable for sure.

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And I think like if there is
another theme to the movie, like

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there's so there's that theme of
this complicated character who

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is ultimately unknowable and
this is this is really like a

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scathing indictment of
britishness.

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If I can call it that like it's
a really interesting take down

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of colonialism and the British
sensibility and the sort of like

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to face admits that I think
David lean's sees in the British

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sensibility and I I really liked
the movie.

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Kind of takes on many different
forms as it goes along, like,

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it's an adventure movie, and
then it's a drama.

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And then it's like a very
different kind of drama.

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And then you get into Political
Intrigue and diplomacy.

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And in the last, like half hour
of the movie, it really clicks

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into Focus.
That Lawrence has been used as a

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pawn, by the British government.
And I mean you kind of see that

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coming as a viewer, they talked
about it for most of the movie

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and Lawrence himself doesn't
realize he's falling.

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Pray to that but there's also
the reveal that he's kind of

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been being used as a pawn by the
Arabians as well and that

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there's this great line that
Alec Guinness has at the end of

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the movie where he basically
says, like, you know, if we're

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being frank aren't we both glad
to be rid of him and this man

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who has poured himself into what
he sees as like his Crusade and

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his Destiny, has ultimately just
been used to accomplish the ends

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that he never wanted to have
accomplished.

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Pushed in the first place.
And so like I'm wasn't expecting

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this movie to have as much kind
of like, you know, we talked

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about Lawrence having
self-loathing, I think lean kind

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of has self-loathing toward his
own britishness and it really

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kind of comes out here in this
movie.

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And I say that especially
because next week, we're

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watching his other best picture
winning film, The Bridge on the

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River.
Kwai and it was really cool to

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watch these like on back-to-back
days because there's so much.

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common there and there's that
that same kind of sensibility of

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like Britishness is weird and
needs to be exposed for what it

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is and to all of our British
listeners.

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Like I'm not saying I agree with
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I'm just saying, like it's very
plainly there in the text of the

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movie and I found it to be like
one of the movies.

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Major themes.
Yeah, I was a famously British

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director.
David lean is one saying this.

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Yeah, I mean because in the end,
the best people to critique A

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culture are the people within
the culture, right?

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And I think that sometimes you
can take it too far.

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But what I think that lien does
here is, is point out the

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continuing fact that British
interests overseas are never

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necessarily for the betterment
of the people who live in those

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countries.
Hmm.

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And you get the feel of that and
I think that's why I really

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appreciate Prince Faisal so
much, you know, played by Alec

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Guinness.
I think that There's an element

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of honor and dignity, and
intelligence and cunning to him.

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That is only matched by the
other British High authorities

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in this movie.
And I think that that's leans

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way of kind of saying like like
yes, the British are cunning and

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bad in the conquerors.
But the the Arabians have a

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defender of their own who can
match them with for wit.

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Yeah.
And I think that's kind of a

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subtle way of him saying like
Like yeah.

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What the British aren't is doing
isn't great, but every country

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has its intelligent people that
can work, you know, the the

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political realm like a
chessboard and I really enjoyed

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the character Prince Faisal,
especially with those last few

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scenes that you have with it yet
because he really disappears

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from the movie for like the
whole second half of the film

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and then he comes back in at the
end of the movie and you realize

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he's kind of been pulling
strings the whole time and it

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needs a really it's a great
performance by Alec Guinness

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again like Let's get it out of
the way.

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Now, Alec Guinness, a white guy
playing an Arabian Prince.

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You've got Anthony Quinn, an
American playing an Arabian,

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like yes, this would not happen
today.

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I'm sure it's problematic in a
lot of ways, but like, the

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performance itself, it's a
really, really great

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performance.
Full of like you said, there's a

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dignity to it, but then also,
there is a an element of cunning

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to it.
And yeah, I really loved Alec

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Guinness.
I think this is a good place to

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get into talking.
Thing about performances, I

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don't know that I want to start
with Peter O'Toole because I

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have a lot of feelings about
Peter of Toulon this movie but

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maybe let's start with The
Supporting Cast Brad who's

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somebody that you would want to
point out.

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I mean I think that Omar Sharif
is the second lead in this film

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and I think he does just an
excellent job of being a

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Counterpoint to to Lawrence's
manic phases.

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The that he is inability to
point out the obvious to keep

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him a little bit calmer than he
might have been.

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And I think what I really
appreciate is that the the

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chemistry between Lawrence and
Ali is such that they have such

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animosity.
The first time they meet and you

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see the Arc of their friendship
grow and they trust one another

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more and more, and it's not just
a didn't trust him.

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Now, something happened and he
He saved my life and now, I

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trust him.
Implicitly, like, I feel like

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you would get that out of a lot
of other movies.

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This movie doesn't do that,
because it takes 17 hours to

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watch the movie.
You have time to watch them grow

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and develop a friendship, where
they trust one another.

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And so I think that the the
acting of Omar Sharif in this is

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really impeccable, I think Omar
Sharif, is he gives the best

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performance in the whole movie
and he does a lot But with a

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little especially in the first
half of the film, the second

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half, they allow him to really
flesh out his character, but he

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never gets the, you know, I'm
going to run off behind a rock

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and brewed thing, that Peter
O'Toole gets like eight times in

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this movie or dance around, in a
circle with his new clothes.

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Yeah, he doesn't get those
scenes and so he's not as, I

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don't know, she's not as complex
of a character, but he's not

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immediately given those moments
to like show his layers and it's

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not really until the last hours.
Or so of the movie, when

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Lawrence starts really breaching
his own, ethical code, that

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sheriff, Ali gets to be the
conscience of the movie and I

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think Omar Sharif really just
excels in those scenes.

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I think another really great
performance is Anthony Quinn as

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out of Abu tayi and people point
to this performance as like the

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hammy is performance in the
movie and I guess it kind of is

447
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,700
but he's he's the hot head,
right?

448
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,400
Like we're going to watch some
Kurosawa movies at some point

449
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,900
Brad in a lot of Kurosawa.
Samurai movies, the character

450
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:10,200
that toshiro mifune plays is
always like this character.

451
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,800
He's the Hot Head, he's over the
top, he's super animated.

452
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,900
He's often used as comic relief
for good portions of the movie

453
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:21,400
but he also is someone who is a
man of convictions and who

454
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,700
understands the political
climate.

455
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
And what I really love about
this movie is that at no point,

456
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,900
does it allow you to fall under
the impression that Lawrence

457
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,800
initially?
He has, which he, you know, he

458
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,400
calls the Arab people greedy,
barbarous and cruel.

459
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,900
He calls them, a silly people, a
little people and the movies,

460
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,100
like absolutely not.
This guy has no idea what he's

461
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:48,600
talking about and we're going to
show you exactly why it is a

462
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,700
problem that the British are
this arrogant coming into this

463
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,700
area of the world because they
just don't know what they're

464
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:59,100
getting into.
Yeah, I think that the one of

465
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,900
the most important takeaways
from this film is the fact that

466
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,900
just because you might have
artillery you no more.

467
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:12,100
Advanced technology does not
make you morally or ethically

468
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:16,100
superior to other peoples of the
world.

469
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:20,400
And yet the British continually
think that they have, the upper

470
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,300
hand on everything compared to
these Arabian tribes, and I

471
00:27:25,308 --> 00:27:27,400
agree with you.
I think that Anthony Quinn

472
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:34,300
portrays a Your snis in his
character that shows how loyal

473
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,400
and careful and cunning he is at
protecting his tribes history

474
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,100
and Heritage and and drawing
them forward into the future.

475
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,000
But but carefully.
Yeah.

476
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
And not in such a way that it
destroys who they are as a

477
00:27:49,008 --> 00:27:51,500
people group well.
And I think that like, going

478
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,500
back to Alec Guinness is
character, Prince, Faisal.

479
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,300
That's the best encapsulation of
this whole thing, right?

480
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,500
Right?
And you see it in next week's

481
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:05,500
movie, The Bridge on the River,
Kwai in that the Japanese who

482
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,100
are running the prisoner of war
camp, leverage, the British has

483
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,500
like the British troops.
I don't know what the word is,

484
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,100
don't call it arrogance, but
like their need for civility.

485
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,400
And their need to think that
they can bring civilization,

486
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,700
they leverage that against them
and give them to build this

487
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,500
bridge under their own accord
that they should never be

488
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,300
building.
And it's the same thing here.

489
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,400
The first time you see Prince
Faisal Lawrence is kind of

490
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600
riding up over this mountain
range.

491
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,500
And you see that they're getting
like dive bombed by these

492
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,500
airplanes, and the the British
officer, who stationed, there is

493
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,900
complaining to Lawrence and
says, like I told him to move

494
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,900
farther Inland or Downstream or
whatever he says, and he's like,

495
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,900
they need to move out of range
and he won't do it because he

496
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,900
doesn't understand what
artillery is and the farther you

497
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:55,300
get into the movie.
The more, you realize that what

498
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,300
Alec Guinness is character,
Prince, Faisal is doing, is he's

499
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Waiting for the opportunity for
the British to think that this

500
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,100
is their idea and to allow the
British to take all the credit.

501
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,800
And to, you know, have these
military victories, and these

502
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,900
parades thrown in their own
honor to give him what he

503
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:16,800
ultimately wants.
At the end of the movie, he

504
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200
totally uses their own arrogance
against them and he does the

505
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800
same with Lawrence.
And again, it gets back to this

506
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,100
theme of like, hey, we British
people think we know everything

507
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:31,900
and we really don't Hmm.
And I think I don't know if I

508
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:33,900
can get a little bit
controversial here Bob.

509
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:38,000
I think that's why it's so
important to look past the

510
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,200
surface level of a lot of movies
because I feel like a lot of

511
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,400
people might look at this film
and go oh Alec Guinness

512
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,600
famously, white British man is
playing and Arabian and that's

513
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,400
bad and so the movies bad and
you know, while is there a

514
00:29:55,408 --> 00:29:59,100
reality where if you re made
this movie, you could Have any

515
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,600
number of great Arabian actors
play him?

516
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,500
Sure.
Like I don't think that's a bad

517
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,400
thing to do that, but I think
it's also a bad thing to dismiss

518
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,600
this movie on that on those
grounds.

519
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,100
I think that there's so much to
be gained from this film.

520
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:16,700
And when you really spend time
with it, you realize how

521
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:21,000
countercultural this film was to
be released in 1962.

522
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:27,700
Only, you know, like 20 years
after World War 2 and only 40

523
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,600
years, World War One, like most
of the people who are watching

524
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,000
this movie would have been alive
when these events were

525
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
happening.
So, like, this movie is

526
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,100
incredibly countercultural for
the decade that it came out.

527
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,900
Absolutely.
Well, and I want to tease our

528
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,600
discussion of Peter O'Toole by
pointing out, one of my favorite

529
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,900
moments in the movie.
And it's when Prince Faisal

530
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:53,300
keeps Lawrence back in his tent
and starts to kind of plant that

531
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:57,200
little worm in his ear and he
says, in order to be great

532
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,800
again.
Arabia needs the English or, and

533
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,700
then, and that Peter O'Toole
goes or what he says, or a

534
00:31:05,708 --> 00:31:08,700
miracle.
And that's when Lawrence

535
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,100
decides, I'm gonna do this
thing.

536
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,500
I've got to be that mirror
because, yeah, and it's because

537
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,800
he does not want to identify
himself with the British.

538
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Like he thinks that he is
something different, that he is

539
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800
something other and in a lot of
ways better.

540
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
And that's why, you know, at the
end of the movie, when he is

541
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,500
completely defeated and humbled
and Is like, I'm not a God.

542
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,400
I'm just a man.
He goes and tells that to

543
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,600
General Allenby and Allenby
says, no, no.

544
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,700
You're the most extraordinary
man I've ever known.

545
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,700
And it's a moment that kind of
reminds me of the end of young

546
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:45,200
adult when Charlize Theron is
like finally, humbled and then

547
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,600
somebody tells them what they
want to hear.

548
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,700
But even in that moment, he
resolves himself, not to do what

549
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,600
the British want him to do.
But to go to Damascus, and take

550
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,500
it over before the British get
there, as a way of saying, F you

551
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,400
to the British and McGinnis
recognizes that in Lawrence from

552
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,200
the very, very beginning and
it's really not until the end of

553
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,400
the movie that you come to
understand like, how early on

554
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,700
this guy knew how to leverage
that against him.

555
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:12,600
And I think that that Guinness
plays it so well.

556
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,400
And, and again, we'll talk about
Peter O'Toole, but to his

557
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,200
credit, he plays it really well
also.

558
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,500
And I think that's the problem
with a for our epic.

559
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,200
You almost like I didn't
necessarily like, think about

560
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,300
that depth of of development and
Prince, Faisal.

561
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,800
That's because I need to watch
this movie, probably two or

562
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,200
three more times to really put
the full picture together of

563
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,000
everything that's happening.
And if I'm being honest, I might

564
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,300
watch this movie one more time
in my lifetime.

565
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,500
Yeah you know just at some point
with my kids when they're in

566
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,500
their teen years just to be like
hey we're going to watch this

567
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,500
over the next 3 nights because
it's Lawrence of Arabia and

568
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,300
right and that might be the last
time I ever wanted this movie

569
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,700
Bob well also because we're you
know, we're canceling it because

570
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:01,200
of The people who are playing
the Arabians and also because he

571
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,400
comes right out Prince, Faisal
comes right out and says he

572
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,800
wants to make Arabia great
again.

573
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,800
So we've got Maga in this movie,
too.

574
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,900
Like, all right, man, it's time
for us to take a break.

575
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:16,600
Let's drink this Bushmills.
A super thematically appropriate

576
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,600
whiskey.
Right?

577
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:18,900
What do you say?
We get to it bread.

578
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,800
Well, let's make Arabia great
again, Bob.

579
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,900
Some whiskey Nation.
Do you ever think about Awards

580
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
course he do you drink whiskey
and watch movies which means

581
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,500
that, you know, that nothing is
validated until a group of

582
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,800
random people say hey we love
what you're doing.

583
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,400
The awesome thing about doc
Swensons, whiskey is that it

584
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,100
isn't just some group of schlubs
that are given them Awards.

585
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,200
They have been winning attention
from some of the most important

586
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,100
whiskey experts that you can
imagine.

587
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000
They've been voted best
distillery in Washington state

588
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,900
by the New York International
Spirits competition.

589
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,100
They've been voted the best
Pennant bottler by the Ascot

590
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,900
Awards as well as the best
finished bourbon from the Ascot

591
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:02,200
awards for their La meant to
exploratory, Cask their sport or

592
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,300
Cask series is where they
release some of the most

593
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:06,800
fascinating and adventurous
experiments.

594
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,600
If you're ever checking out,
docks line up and see a white

595
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that that's the only time you'll

596
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,100
see that bottle.
So, make sure you snatch it up.

597
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:18,400
Doc Simmons, has been offering
just phenomenal finished and

598
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,000
Blended whiskies for quite some
time.

599
00:34:20,007 --> 00:34:23,400
Now, you can find them online at
Doc's, whisky.com.

600
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,000
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That's doccs whisky.com.

601
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:35,600
Alright, today we are checking
out Bushmills, Black Bush.

602
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,900
This is completing the trilogy
of Bushmills this season.

603
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,400
I bought a bottle of Bushmills
at holiday season, a couple

604
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,300
years ago and it came with two
little 50ml samples of red,

605
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,100
bush, and Black Bush.
So we got three for the price of

606
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,900
one here, Brad.
I really loved the red bush.

607
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,900
A couple weeks ago, that wasn't
freaking fantastic.

608
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,400
And essentially, you know, if I
can oversimplify here, a bit

609
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,600
Bushmills uses a blend of
whiskey That are aged in a

610
00:35:02,607 --> 00:35:05,600
combination of X bourbon,
barrels, and X, Sherry casks.

611
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,700
And what they did with red Bush
was only released the stuff that

612
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,900
was aged in the bourbon barrels.
And what they do with Black Bush

613
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:16,000
is only released the stuff that
was aged in the Sherry casks.

614
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,100
So this isn't all share read
Irish whiskey, it's 80 proof.

615
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,800
It's, you know, like it's
basically half of what you would

616
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,200
get in a bottle of Bushmills.
Hmm, and having drank regular

617
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Bushmills, and the red bush.
Now, We thought that regular

618
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Bushmills was kind of met, we
thought that the red Bush was

619
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,900
fantastic and so that does not
give me high hopes for Black

620
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,000
Bush because something had to
make Bushmills meth.

621
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,500
And so I'm hoping this isn't
like the counterbalance to how

622
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,000
good red Bush was.
Yeah, this honestly, kind of

623
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,000
reminds me of a few months back.
We received a sample and man, I

624
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,200
can see the bottle in my head
right now, but I can't think of

625
00:36:00,207 --> 00:36:03,800
the product where they They're
blended whiskey.

626
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,700
It was an Irish whiskey.
It was, oh yeah, Irish pot still

627
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,600
Keepers.
Harnett Keepers heart.

628
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Thank you where they sent us
essentially their final product.

629
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,300
And then a sample of each of the
three things they use to make

630
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,300
their product.
And I feel like, Bushmills, took

631
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,800
that idea, and just made three
products out of it.

632
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,900
And I, honestly, I kind of like
that, like, it would be fun to

633
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:31,500
do a flight like, all right, in
a row of Bushmills and then

634
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,000
they're ready.
Red bush, and then they're black

635
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,100
Bush.
Oh, we're kind of doing that,

636
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,300
they're just, you know, spread
multiple weeks apart.

637
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,500
So, you know, we're gonna dive
in here.

638
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,800
I mean, I really don't have too
much more to say it like, it's,

639
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,400
it's everything that we said
about Bushmills is true about

640
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,200
this except for the bourbon
barrels part.

641
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,900
It's aged for at least three
years as Irish, whiskey is

642
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,500
triple distilled as Bushmills.
Advertisers.

643
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,600
Let's just dive in, man, what
are you picking up?

644
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,300
On the nose of this Black Bush.
This one comes across, extremely

645
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,300
malti.
And then I get a little Bit of

646
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:06,800
Honey, some stone fruit Pratt,
like kind of like cherish notes

647
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,700
and a little bit of vanilla on
the back ends I think I would

648
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:15,400
give it like a seven and a half
on the nose it's solid I do like

649
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,800
this quite a bit and it's it's
got some like Darkness like

650
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,600
there's a darker character to
this than I would have expected.

651
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,200
It is very malty and on the back
end like we're you got vanilla,

652
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,400
I got some like brown sugar.
Like there is almost just a wisp

653
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,000
of bourbon Enos to this, which
is I mean obviously Wrong like

654
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,900
yeah, but it's there for me.
The Sherry influence.

655
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,500
I'm not getting so much Cherry.
It does definitely smell.

656
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,000
Like there's some wine
character, but it seems like a

657
00:37:44,008 --> 00:37:46,700
darker red grape on the nose,
then a Sherry.

658
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,300
And so like yeah I understand
why they labeled this as Black

659
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,100
Bush.
Now I kept thinking like you

660
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,100
know Sherry and the color black
don't seem like they would go

661
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,000
together to me.
But but this definitely has some

662
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000
darker character to it.
I like that.

663
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,800
I think this is a more
interesting knows.

664
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,700
The regular Bushmills.
I'll also give it a seven and a

665
00:38:04,707 --> 00:38:06,400
half on the nose.
Yeah.

666
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,800
And then as I got into the
palette there's some soft bits

667
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,000
of vanilla and honey that keep
coming through.

668
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:16,900
For me it was really a lot of
malt on the palate and then at

669
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,400
the back end I got some some
like nutty toffee.

670
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,300
Notes going on like almost like
a caramelized.

671
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,800
The I don't know.
Almond there peanut that was

672
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,700
interesting.
It's falling off.

673
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,200
A little bit from the nose for
me.

674
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,300
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on
the palate, man, it was so

675
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,200
weird.
I took a sip as you were talking

676
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,800
and as each thing like each
Revelation that came out of your

677
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,000
mouth happened on my palette as
you were saying, it was very

678
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,700
weird.
It was like you are eating my

679
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,900
experience.
Ha ha ha.

680
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Yeah, it's really not means
we've we've made it as whiskey

681
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,800
faced.
We have just like meshed into

682
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,600
one Consciousness now.
Alright, so yeah, it's really

683
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,400
multi on the palate.
There's Lot of pre cleanest to

684
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,500
it.
Like it's got some heat for an

685
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:10,800
80 proof whiskey.
It has the like, the bitter

686
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,700
smokiness of a peated scotch
without the actual peat smoke.

687
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:15,600
I don't know how to explain that
from.

688
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,400
Like, when it turns bitter, it
turns bitter in the way that

689
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,900
like a really PD Scotch does and
then I swallowed and you said,

690
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:24,700
like oh it's got like a
nuttiness and I'm like, no, I'm

691
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:26,900
not getting that.
And then you said oh it's like

692
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:31,000
caramelized and I right when you
said that I was breathing out

693
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,400
and I breathe I doubt this note
of like caramel corn and it just

694
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Han there is just this little
bit of bourbon character hanging

695
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,800
around the back end of this.
It's really really weird.

696
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,200
I don't know where it's coming
from.

697
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,700
It doesn't make sense but it's
definitely there.

698
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,800
I like this.
I think it's good.

699
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,200
I think it's coming from the
whiskey Bob, I think so too.

700
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,900
It was either the whiskey or the
glass.

701
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:56,300
You know, I'll give this a seven
out of ten.

702
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:00,500
It's really good but it's still
not blowing me away.

703
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:05,900
Yeah and for me when I got to
the finish it slightly sours on

704
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,200
the very back end the maltiness
just gets to be too much.

705
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,000
It does leave a really nice kind
of faint honey aftertaste that

706
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,600
last for a while that I do
enjoy.

707
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,700
But once again it's kind of
coming down a little bit more.

708
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,700
I'm going to give it a six and a
half on the Finish.

709
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,600
Yeah the second sip I actually
got that sourness right at the

710
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,400
tip of my tongue not on the back
end.

711
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,100
When I went to swallow there was
almost like a No, not a butter

712
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,800
cookie, but like maybe a graham
cracker kind of thing going on.

713
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,200
For me, it's interesting.
I don't know that I would call

714
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,600
it complex, but there are many
different notes that are coming

715
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
out on this whiskey, that I
didn't expect to be there.

716
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:50,200
So it's certainly surprising.
The Finish is pretty nice.

717
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,900
And, you know, again, we will
get to the price point in a

718
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:57,300
minute here, but I think if I'm
being frank, both the red bush

719
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:00,800
and the Black Bush are better
than regular Bushmills.

720
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,100
And I almost don't understand
why they're continuing to sell

721
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,600
the regular Bush knows at this
point.

722
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,100
Like these are both markedly
better than the white label in

723
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,400
my opinion.
Yeah, that's interesting.

724
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,500
I think that this one for me
falls off a little bit.

725
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:18,400
I honestly don't remember the
white label right now enough to

726
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,400
make a comparison.
I think the balance.

727
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,800
Did you give a finished score?
I'll give it a 7, okay?

728
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,300
I think the balance for me is a
7.

729
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,400
There's nothing crazy about
this.

730
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,800
Nothing like super complex but
there's enough going on

731
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,900
flavor-wise that a I'm like okay
I see what you're doing here,

732
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:40,500
Bushmills.
Yeah, I'll give it a seven and a

733
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,100
half on balance.
This is this is above average

734
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:46,600
and I'm always going to be a
little bit influenced by the

735
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,900
price but you know, for what
this costs, I mean, it's

736
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:53,800
essentially the same as what
you're going to be paying for

737
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,800
the white label, and it is much
more complex than that.

738
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,200
And so I really do feel like I
need to reward it a little bit,

739
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,400
so I'm going to give it.
It a seven and a half and that

740
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,900
brings us to value.
Now, I do not have the price

741
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:06,300
pulled up here on my screen.
Brad.

742
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,600
Do you, do you know what it is
in the state of Ohio?

743
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Bob it is $32.99.
Is it really?

744
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:18,200
It sure is that makes no sense
because the red Bush was $22.

745
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,700
Yep, what the hell?
Maybe the bourbon barrels are a

746
00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:25,700
lot cheaper, I guess, man.
Like all right.

747
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,000
Well that changes things a
little bit.

748
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,000
I thought this was going to be
like almost a third less than it

749
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,100
actually costs and I need to sit
with this for a second.

750
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,500
So you give your values core
because I need to recalculate

751
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,000
here.
I give it a six like I think

752
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,500
this is a decent Irish offering
but it didn't really impress me

753
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,900
enough in any one area to make
it like stand out to give it

754
00:42:49,908 --> 00:42:53,700
like a seven or an eight.
I think that with the Bushmills

755
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:57,100
redbush you're really getting an
incredible value whereas this

756
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:01,200
I'm like yeah.
Like I would go by The Sexton

757
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:03,500
any day of the week, over this.
Yeah.

758
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:05,800
And that's, that was, that's
kind of the comparison here,

759
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,600
right?
Like, you're getting into Sexton

760
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,300
levels of pricing.
Now, I will say you and I both

761
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,600
really like the softness and the
sweetness of Irish whiskey.

762
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,200
And that's what the sexton
offers.

763
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,800
This is like this is like a
scotch, this drinks more like a

764
00:43:19,808 --> 00:43:25,100
scotch and it brings a spiciness
and like a dark complexion to

765
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:27,200
Irish whiskey that we don't
typically get.

766
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:31,000
And so I really Actually
appreciate that and I would sing

767
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,700
its Praises a lot more if it
wasn't $32.

768
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:37,400
So I'm also going to give it a 6
on value which brings me out to

769
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,900
a 35 out of 50.
Now 35 is where we typically

770
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:43,500
start recommending hey you
should give this a try at the

771
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:45,900
bar where you should go out and
get a bottle of it.

772
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,700
I actually think that I like
this a little bit higher than my

773
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,500
35 would indicate but that value
score does take it down just to

774
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,800
Peg.
If you're if you're looking to

775
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,500
get into Irish Whiskey's and you
asked me like hey what are five

776
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,600
or ten Irish whiskeys I I have
on my bar.

777
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,300
I actually think I might point
you to this, in addition to the

778
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:06,200
red bush because it is so far
out of the Wheelhouse of what

779
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,700
Irish whiskey typically tastes
like, but I'm landing in a 35,

780
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,100
mm Brad.
I'd be interested to hear.

781
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,200
What's your score, and do you
recommend?

782
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:18,700
I'm at a 34 out of 50, so very,
very close to you.

783
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:24,100
Robert.
I think I don't recommend.

784
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,700
I think that when you have the
red bush, right next to it for

785
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:31,600
$10 cheaper, /.
It's just so easy to recommend

786
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,300
that over this and if you really
enjoy that then sure go try the

787
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:39,100
Black Bush.
But for me on the condition of

788
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,400
like this is the one whiskey I'm
recommending.

789
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:42,900
I don't think I'm going to
recommend it.

790
00:44:42,908 --> 00:44:44,800
Bob.
Yeah, it's really hard to

791
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,200
recommend because I don't know
that I'd recommend you buying a

792
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,900
bottle at 32, but a poor at the
bar is going to be like seven or

793
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,200
eight and that's, you know, a
quarter of the price of the

794
00:44:53,207 --> 00:44:54,600
bottle.
So I'm not also not going to

795
00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:56,000
recommend you trying it at the
bar.

796
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,400
The problem is that I think it's
a good whiskey.

797
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,600
But split it with a friend.
They will, they put it in such a

798
00:45:01,607 --> 00:45:05,200
price point that it becomes cost
prohibitive even though it's not

799
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,900
an expensive whiskey.
Because I think that the flavor

800
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:13,100
profile is close enough to being
Scotch that you could sub in a

801
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:17,200
cheap scotch and basically
approximate what this tastes

802
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,700
like.
And it's like, I really want to

803
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,600
reward the fact that it's like,
wow, you captured some Scotch

804
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,100
Enos here in an Irish whiskey,
but I don't want to make people

805
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,200
go.
Pay $32 to do that.

806
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,600
So we're coming out to a 34 and
a half out of 50 or 60 90 out of

807
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,100
100 nice.
Yeah.

808
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,400
Yeah.
I think we're both gonna not

809
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,300
recommend but for me with the
caveat that I actually think

810
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:44,700
this is a really good whiskey.
So like if you see it at

811
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,000
somebody's house and they want
to give you a poor.

812
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,300
Absolutely like, it's not, it's
not bad and I would call it

813
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,200
good.
I just think there's better

814
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,300
things.
You could spend your $32 on.

815
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,500
I don't know if there's very
many Whiskey's if I was in that.

816
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,100
That hypothetical situation
where I'd be like.

817
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:08,400
Now I don't want that.
No, thank you.

818
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:11,700
If they offered me, committed
Canadian Mist.

819
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:14,800
I would probably say no, I
probably join you on that front.

820
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,000
All right man.
What do you say?

821
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,700
We get back into talking about
Lawrence of Arabia dude.

822
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,400
I'm just excited for two facts
in the false and me too.

823
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,400
All right, everybody that was
Bushmills.

824
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800
Black Bush a whiskey that we
were.

825
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,200
Yeah.
Now I'm not mad like I really

826
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,100
enjoyed this but they think I'm
a little softer than you.

827
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:47,100
Yeah price point they priced
people out of this.

828
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,500
Hmm.
What the hell Bushmills?

829
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,200
Yeah, we know what?
We're not priced out of Bob the

830
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,000
absolutely free.
Segment of our podcast called

831
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,200
two facts of a falsehood to
facts in a falsehood.

832
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,500
I don't know what my record is
anymore.

833
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,800
Fleet as well.
Yes.

834
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,800
Point in the season, where you
just, you just forget what we

835
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,400
also, haven't recorded a regular
episode in weeks.

836
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,400
Like we got a little bit of head
and then we took a couple weeks

837
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,900
off, we did some bonus episodes.
I have no idea.

838
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,200
I'm above 500 and that's all
that matters to me.

839
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:25,200
I was in say, I think this is
movie like 21 or 22 in the sea.

840
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Susan.
Yeah.

841
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:32,400
So I'm guessing that you're like
12 and 10 13 and nine something

842
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,700
in that area.
Sure.

843
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,800
Yeah, sure.
I do know that you lost last

844
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,100
week.
All right.

845
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:41,300
Well you know that's gloss over
that fact.

846
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,200
So this is the part of the
podcast where Brad tries to

847
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,700
stump Me by presenting three
items.

848
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:49,400
All of them presented as fact,
one of, which is a complete

849
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,100
falsehood that he has made up.
So Brad, without further Ado,

850
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:57,700
hit me with your two facts.
Falsehood fax number one.

851
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:01,100
The first time, Peter O'Toole
tried riding a camel.

852
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:05,600
He had shaved so badly that
blood was oozing from his jeans.

853
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,300
He finally mastered his camel
riding technique by adding a

854
00:48:08,308 --> 00:48:11,200
layer of sponge rubber
underneath the saddle.

855
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,500
Maybe he should have not tried
riding the camel in jeans, feel

856
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:20,900
like I could have told you that
you're not wrong fact.

857
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:25,300
Number 2, Peter O'Toole being
from balmy.

858
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,200
Island was unused to the climate
of the desert and passed out

859
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
from heat exhaustion three times
throughout the production of the

860
00:48:31,207 --> 00:48:35,200
film which left the famously
cantankerous lean in a little

861
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,100
bit of a fury here.
We're going to say he passed out

862
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,900
from quote, heat exhaustion, and
not him.

863
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:46,200
Copious amounts of scotch fact.
Number three, Bob in the actual

864
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Battle of Aqaba TE Lawrence was
nearly killed when his camel

865
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,700
through him.
After he accidentally shot it in

866
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:57,200
the head during filming of that.
Seen Peter O'Toole was nearly

867
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,100
killed, a gunner rocket used to
Signal action in.

868
00:49:00,107 --> 00:49:03,300
The first Aqaba, take fired
prematurely and O'Toole was

869
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:08,200
thrown by his camic by his
panicked camel in front of the

870
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,500
charging horses.
Wow.

871
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,400
That sounds so involved that I
if you did make it up, I respect

872
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,800
it.
So I'm going to be, I'm gonna

873
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,200
say that's a truth, just because
I want it to be a truth.

874
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,100
Number two, is he passed out a
lot at number one, was he chafed

875
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:31,300
in his genes?
And those those are both

876
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,000
plausible.
That's what I should have said.

877
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:37,600
Fax number 1, Peter O'Toole
chafed in his genes fact.

878
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,400
Number two, he passed out fact.
Number three He almost died.

879
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400
I'm going to say one is the
falsehood.

880
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:50,500
That he was chafing.
Well yeah, I mean it's very

881
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,800
plausible, but two is also very
plausible and I just feel like

882
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,000
it's the lamest one.
So, I want to say that's true,

883
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000
but yeah, I'm just saying ones.
The falsehood one is not the

884
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,600
falsehood Robert.
Okay.

885
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:05,900
He was actually, he actually did
add a layer of sponge rubber

886
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:10,600
under the saddle, completely of
his own Innovation, nice and the

887
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,700
actual Bedouin tribesmen, who
were acting as extras nicknamed

888
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,900
him.
A bow is Vanessa, which means

889
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:22,900
father of the sponge because
they all started doing the exact

890
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:24,500
same thing.
That's awesome.

891
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,500
Yeah, tell me that's not the
best.

892
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:31,500
That's really cool.
What was the falsehood that he

893
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,200
was unused to the climate of the
desert and passed out from heat

894
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,600
exhaustion, right?
You wrote Such a lame,

895
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,500
falsehood, man.
I wanted to give you more credit

896
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,300
than that.
Thanks, dude.

897
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,200
When his camel threw him in the
Battle of Aqaba, seen the

898
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,700
Campbell was Rained and it
actually after panicking it,

899
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:54,200
stood over top of him to protect
him from the charging horses.

900
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,900
So they didn't trampled him to
death.

901
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,900
Wow.
Good for that Camel.

902
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,900
Yeah, good for it, huh?
Well, I lost again today because

903
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:05,500
you gay, I give you more credit
than you deserve.

904
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:07,400
Thanks man.
I appreciate that.

905
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,900
Yeah, thank you Brad.
Always a pleasure doing business

906
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,800
with you.
All right, I want to talk about

907
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,400
how I watch this movie because I
We initially were going to

908
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,100
record a few days ago and I was
trying to get it in and I found

909
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:25,900
myself having to watch it with
my daughter who is almost two

910
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:31,300
years old.
And she I literally gave her a

911
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,300
video game controller, which she
has seen me use from time to

912
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,400
time.
And I said, do you want to play

913
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,600
a camel game?
And she said, uh-huh.

914
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,100
And I said, all right, you can
sit on my lap and we're going to

915
00:51:43,107 --> 00:51:45,900
play a camel game and I gave her
a controller.

916
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:52,100
And we watch Lawrence of Arabia
and she is now obsessed and she

917
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:56,000
just comes up to me and goes
come game.

918
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,100
And she wants to watch Lawrence
of Arabia to play the Camel

919
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:03,900
game.
I just picture her like waiting

920
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:06,600
with bated breath through all
the scenes with, like, Claude

921
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,900
Rains in the palace, like, where
there's no animals until he

922
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,400
finally gets that sweet camel
action again.

923
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:16,700
Yep.
No, she literally like I was

924
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,600
getting changed for work this
morning and Haley was watching

925
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,100
her, and I just hear Sadie's
like yelling it, and she runs

926
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:28,400
out and she had found the
controller in from my desk and

927
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,000
ran all the way to the back and
was like, looking me in the eyes

928
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,600
with the Dead Set earnestness
that only a two-year-old can

929
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,700
muster asking me to play the
Camel game so it did make the

930
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:42,000
movie watching experience a
little more enjoyable.

931
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,600
There you go.
All right, I think there's three

932
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,200
things I want to make sure we
touch.

933
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:49,700
Chon before we get out of here
today, the first of, which is we

934
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:52,100
got to talk about Peter, O'Toole
who I think.

935
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:55,800
Gives a really good performance
and it's ultimately one of the

936
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,500
most famous performances in
cinema history.

937
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:03,400
Just because of what this movie
is, they put the title card on,

938
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,800
you know, in the opening credits
says, an introducing Peter

939
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,300
O'Toole.
It was not technically his first

940
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:11,600
movie, but it was like his first
big movie enough that anyone

941
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,200
would have heard of him.
And so, you know, to be doing a

942
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,800
movie this big this early in
your career, Is truly a feat and

943
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,200
he does a fantastic job like
this a hard character to play

944
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:27,000
and the fact that you never get
to know Lawrence means that you

945
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,000
have to play a ton of different
emotions or no emotion at all in

946
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,500
a way that makes somebody not be
completely bored and turn it off

947
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:38,200
or walk out of the theater.
And I think he's to be commended

948
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,300
for that and I can't think of
anybody else that I would rather

949
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:46,200
have seen play this character
and at the same time I wonder if

950
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:51,500
I'm taking my annoyances with
the character of Lawrence out on

951
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,700
Peter.
O'Toole a little bit but it's

952
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:57,800
really hard to separate the
performance from the character

953
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,700
or, you know, the lack of
characterization their honestly

954
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:08,200
Bob I think when it comes to
Peter O'Toole You know, I

955
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:09,800
without actually saying the
name.

956
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,100
I kind of mentioned Gone With
the Wind earlier by saying, this

957
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:16,800
is now the longest movie we've
watched I think that if there's

958
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,300
a comparison to Gone With the
Wind here, it's that I, I

959
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,500
mentioned when we, when we
recorded that episode, that it

960
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:27,800
felt like the very first like
the grandfather of soap, operas

961
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:34,200
the gone with the winded, and I
feel like in this film Peter,

962
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,500
O'Toole kind of feels like a
soap opera actor for me.

963
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,500
And I don't mean that in the
sense of like bad acting, but I

964
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:49,800
mean, it in that he is just he
over plays so many of his

965
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,800
emotions throughout the film,
and they seem to come out of

966
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,500
nowhere.
And, and that's the frustrating

967
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,400
part about this performance for
me, that I'm not even sure if

968
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,100
it's his fault, or if it's lean.
Ting him or if it's what the

969
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:08,400
script was asking him to do, but
it feels like out of nowhere.

970
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,200
He'll he'll become wildly
excited and crazy and and just

971
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,600
have these these wonky ideas
where he's like, yeah, we're

972
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,500
just going to sneak into this
Turkish held town and I'm going

973
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:24,700
to get captured and it's going
to go great and you're like,

974
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,300
wait, I don't think it's going
to go great.

975
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:30,200
And then it doesn't go great.
And then he wants to quit and

976
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,600
then he gets told that he's a
he's a god.

977
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,700
He's suddenly wildly excited and
happy again, and but that's like

978
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:39,100
a script, that's a script issue,
you know what I mean?

979
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:42,700
That's not Peter, O'Toole
necessarily or are you saying

980
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,800
that?
But way he plays that but it's

981
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,700
the way he plays it as well
like.

982
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:49,300
And like I said, I think it's
the script asking him to do

983
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:54,600
that, but, I don't know for me.
It just felt like he fasts

984
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,500
elated between so many different
emotions throughout the film

985
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,200
that it felt soap.
Opera e to me, you know, Hmm,

986
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,000
yeah man, I and I think that's
kind of where I'm at with this

987
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,900
portrayal.
It's a great performance and at

988
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,300
the same time it's like, I, I
have thoughts or I have

989
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:18,900
conflicted feelings about it and
it's unresolved like, much of

990
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:20,400
this movie.
It's unresolved.

991
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,400
And I think maybe we should
segue into the other couple

992
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,200
things that we need to hit on
one of which is David lean, the

993
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,300
director.
This is, this is the Pinnacle of

994
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:33,200
his career but I mean, you know
it's rated as Number five,

995
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,600
greatest film of all time and he
never quite reaches these

996
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,900
Heights again.
And we're going to kind of

997
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,200
slowly walk backwards in his
career from here.

998
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000
I just want to spend a couple
minutes talking about like, the

999
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,600
technical amazingness of this
movie because, you know, the

1000
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,400
scene, where Omar Sharif enters
the movie, where it's just like

1001
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,900
a, like a two-minute silent
sequence of you watching.

1002
00:56:56,900 --> 00:57:01,900
Somebody emerge from the heat
rising off of the sand in the

1003
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:04,400
distance.
Like they had to make a special

1004
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,200
lens for this camera to shoot
that far away, and it's a lens

1005
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,500
that's never been used before or
since in Motion Picture history

1006
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:16,600
and it captured one of the most
famous sequences ever and it's

1007
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,400
just kind of like, this is what
David lean was doing with this

1008
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,300
movie.
He made a movie that no one else

1009
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:26,200
before or since could have made
or has even tried to make and

1010
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:30,500
there's been so much ink spilt
on this topic that we're not

1011
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,400
going to say anything new or
About like new or noteworthy

1012
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,700
about it, but you can't talk
about this movie without talking

1013
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:41,400
about what an achievement.
It is technically.

1014
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:47,100
Yeah, I think that for me, I was
reading Ebert's review of this

1015
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:50,600
that he wrote In 1989 after they
re-released it.

1016
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:54,000
And I'm just going to read what
he says.

1017
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,700
He says, I've noticed that when
people remember Lawrence of

1018
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:59,600
Arabia, they don't talk about
the details of the plot.

1019
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,900
They get a certain look in their
eyes, as if they During the

1020
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:06,000
whole experience.
And I've never been able to

1021
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,100
quite put it into words.
And then and then he goes on to

1022
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:12,400
say, it is spectacle and
experience, and it's ideas are

1023
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,900
about things.
You can feel not things, you can

1024
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,100
say.
And I think that that's like

1025
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,300
that's the key.
You know, he goes on and fight

1026
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,600
and says at the end of this
paragraph much of its appeal is

1027
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,500
based on the fact that it does
not contain a complex story with

1028
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,300
a lot of dialogue.
We remember the quiet empty

1029
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,400
passages the Across the desert,
the intricate lines, traced by

1030
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,200
the wind and the sand.
And I think that's like the

1031
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,300
perfect understanding of this
movie.

1032
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:46,200
I, for me, there's so many
moments where he has these vast,

1033
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,700
you know, spectacular shots of
the desert.

1034
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:54,800
And when I think he does really
well is that he gives you a

1035
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,800
sense of the scale by giving you
multiple points of reference.

1036
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Like there's a small little
rocky outcropping in the The

1037
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,100
foreground and then you have a
vast desert plain and you know

1038
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:14,100
tiny specks that are Lawrence
and Omar Sharif on camels going

1039
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,000
across the desert and then
there's a mountain immediately

1040
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,200
behind them and then another
Mountain Wave off in the

1041
00:59:20,207 --> 00:59:23,500
distance behind that.
And it's like having these four

1042
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:29,300
to five different levels of
what's the word I'm looking for?

1043
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Yeah.
Like not like I was gonna say

1044
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,600
Vista, but yeah, I know what you
mean.

1045
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:35,500
Yeah.
You know, not like a vanishing

1046
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:36,500
point.
Yeah.

1047
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,900
Like a horizon.
I don't know.

1048
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,400
Yeah.
There's just there's so many

1049
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,700
different layers to it.
That without, even realizing it.

1050
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,000
The viewer gets a sense of just
how massive the Obstacle of the

1051
00:59:49,008 --> 00:59:52,800
desert is, and it's just a
beautiful film Bob.

1052
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,000
Oh yeah, I mean, like, again,
like we're not gonna get into

1053
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,100
talking about what 70?
Mm is compared to 35 mm or

1054
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:03,600
whatever.
But like, It's just an

1055
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,300
unbelievably pristine looking
movie after they restored it

1056
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:10,500
like it is one of the most
beautiful films I've ever seen,

1057
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:14,000
not just because of the
composition of each and every

1058
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,400
shot and it leads me to my last
point because you skipped a

1059
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,800
couple sentences in the middle
of that paragraph.

1060
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,500
And Ebert talks about how
Lawrence of Arabia on its

1061
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,800
surface.
It seems like a traditional

1062
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:31,300
movie movie, kind of like
Bridge.

1063
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,900
On the River Kwai and we're
going to talk about Bridge on

1064
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:37,100
the River Kwai next week.
But I think it's so interesting

1065
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:40,400
to hold these two movies up next
to each other, and it gets to

1066
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,500
this point that has been at the
Forefront of stupid conversation

1067
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,900
for 3 years.
Now, on the internet about

1068
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Marvel movies and Martin
Scorsese and how Scorsese said

1069
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,200
that he doesn't consider Marvel
films to be Cinema.

1070
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,900
He says, you know, they have
their place but they're not

1071
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:03,300
Cinema, and people have been
struggling to defined.

1072
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,100
What's the difference between
film and Cinema or movies?

1073
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,400
And should we even draw that
distinction.

1074
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,500
But Ebert kind of says it like
this.

1075
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:15,800
When he's comparing this movie
to Bridge on the River Kwai he

1076
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,600
says, although it seems to be a
traditional narrative film like

1077
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,000
Bridge on the River Kwai which
lean made right before it.

1078
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,700
It actually has more in common
with such a sin.

1079
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,500
We visual epics as Kubrick's
2001 A Space Odyssey.

1080
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,100
And I read that, and I was like,
I get it.

1081
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:40,200
Now, I get my problems with this
movie, because 2001 is a very

1082
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,100
difficult, nut to crack.
And it is an impenetrable movie.

1083
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:47,500
And a lot of people think it's
the best movie ever made.

1084
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:51,400
And I have very well-documented
struggles with that movie.

1085
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,500
But I think that this movie
toes, the line between being a

1086
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,000
traditional entertainment and
Being a Gone With the Wind

1087
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Hollywood, kind of Epic and also
being like this cinematic force,

1088
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,900
that 2001 is where it's not just
about the storytelling.

1089
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:14,800
It's not just about having a
good time and being entertained

1090
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,600
but it's like this is something
that could only happen in this

1091
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,300
specific medium.
You couldn't take Lawrence of

1092
01:02:22,308 --> 01:02:26,200
Arabia and chop it up into four
episodes and make it a Disney

1093
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Plus show it wouldn't work the
same.

1094
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:31,800
Way, like, there's something
about the fact that this is

1095
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:36,200
Cinematic, that makes it what it
is whether or not I actually

1096
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,700
enjoy it as much as I enjoy
Bridge on the River.

1097
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:42,300
Kwai spoiler alert.
I don't I like that movie better

1098
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:46,900
than this but there's I
understand why people rank this

1099
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:52,200
as the fifth highest movie ever
right up there with 2001 because

1100
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,700
there is something about it.
That is just mysterious and it

1101
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:59,900
has this pull All to it.
And it's the pull that you only

1102
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:04,800
get with that thing.
That Scorsese calls Cinema and I

1103
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,600
guess I just really want to hear
your thoughts on that as we kind

1104
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,000
of move into final scores.
Do you understand what I'm

1105
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,300
saying?
I feel like, I don't have

1106
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:16,300
language for this thing.
I'm trying to describe, but I'm

1107
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:18,900
starting to understand what that
means.

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When people make that
distinction.

1109
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:26,600
I think that it's in essence.
It's a movie that justifies the

1110
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:32,000
existence.
Of film as a medium that like

1111
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:37,900
you couldn't, you couldn't have
a book, create the vistas for

1112
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:40,100
you that you get in Lawrence of
Arabia.

1113
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:44,500
You couldn't have a radio
broadcast that would would

1114
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:49,200
describe the Majesty of what you
see in Lawrence of Arabia that

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,900
there's no other way to
communicate it other than

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01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:53,700
through film.
And I think you can say that

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01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:57,200
about 2001 A Space Odyssey, you
can say it about Lawrence of

1118
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,500
Arabia.
And it's something you can't

1119
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:02,400
really say about modern epic
films.

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Like and so I think that what
Lawrence of Arabia does really

1121
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,500
is that it's a movie that
justifies movies being an

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01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:17,400
existence in the first place.
And you understand why critics

1123
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,700
of films Rave over films like
this.

1124
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,600
Do you Rave over films like
this.

1125
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,100
I liked it a lot Bob.
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

1126
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:33,500
I don't think I would put it as
like a top five all-time for me,

1127
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:38,000
but honestly, in the end I mean
we have to do.

1128
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,600
Let's make it a double before we
get the final score.

1129
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Yeah.
Okay.

1130
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:44,700
And I think with let's make it a
double, you know, Bob, I don't

1131
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,700
know if you put any time with
thought in it, I put hours and

1132
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:52,500
hours thinking about it, right?
Obviously.

1133
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:55,200
In addition, to the four hours
you spent watching the film,

1134
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:58,900
Exactly.
Yeah, for sure I think for me

1135
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,200
I'm going to point a out,
another older film.

1136
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,800
I think you should pair this
with the treasure of the Sierra

1137
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,600
Madre.
Hmm nice.

1138
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,300
I think that that one has a
little bit more Dynamic

1139
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:17,300
relationships going on but it
has a similar sense of view and

1140
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:23,200
respect for terrain and what you
know where they are filming that

1141
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,500
you have here in Lawrence.
So yeah, I think I'm gonna pair

1142
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:27,900
it with Treasure of the Sierra
Madre.

1143
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:31,000
I think I'm going to take the
easy way out and go with with

1144
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,900
Ebert and say 2001, because
there's a lot of thematic

1145
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:36,700
similarities.
There's you know the the

1146
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:40,800
Solitude and isolation of space.
There's the unknowability of

1147
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,000
whatever the hell is going on in
2001 with the unknowability of

1148
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:48,700
TE Lawrence.
This is a much more conventional

1149
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:54,200
movie than 2001 but I love that
Ebert says that it's essentially

1150
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,500
a visual thing.
And whatever is happening at the

1151
01:05:57,508 --> 01:06:01,400
end of 2001.
It is a, it is a visual and to

1152
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,900
some extent auditory experience
that you only get in the medium

1153
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:08,800
of Cinema.
And this is, this is like that.

1154
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,400
I mean, you know, I watched it
on the big screen I could in my

1155
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,600
house Brad and like that it
pales in comparison to what it

1156
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,300
would be like to watch this in a
movie theater.

1157
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:21,100
Like, there's just some sort of
like, weird, alchemy that

1158
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:25,200
happens with movies like 2001,
like, Lawrence of Arabia.

1159
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:29,900
Via that draws you in.
That makes you question in a way

1160
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:33,700
that only movies can do and so I
think 2001's a really good

1161
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,100
comparison.
Well, that gets us into our

1162
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:38,200
final scores.
Bob, I think I'm going to give

1163
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,400
this movie an eight and a half
out of ten.

1164
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:45,600
Oh, I don't take, I, yeah, I
really enjoy the film.

1165
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,700
I think that the, the struggles
with how long it is and

1166
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,300
Lawrence's character, not
necessarily with Peter

1167
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:57,300
O'Toole's.
Just with the character of TE

1168
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:01,900
Lawrence, I really struggled
with the decisions, he makes and

1169
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:05,900
the wild shifts in personality
that you get and that kind of

1170
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:09,100
like drew me back a little bit.
But man, if it's not one of the

1171
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,300
most, beautiful movies I've
seen, I'm just going to say up

1172
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:15,100
front that I am.
I just finished watching Bridge

1173
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:19,100
on the River Kwai and Bridge on
the River Kwai is like this

1174
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:21,700
interesting.
Middle ground between Lawrence

1175
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:25,100
of Arabia and like the Great
Escape where it's at.

1176
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:30,700
It's a movie movie made by a
really artistic eye.

1177
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,000
And so, again, it kind of
straddles both like it straddles

1178
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,000
that line.
I'm gonna give Bridge on the

1179
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,600
River Kwai and equivalent or
higher score than I give

1180
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Lawrence of Arabia but I also
completely understand why.

1181
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,800
You know, when when the British
film institute's Sight and Sound

1182
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,400
pull comes out at the end of
this month, Lawrence of Arabia

1183
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,700
is probably going to be in the
top 10 movies of all time and

1184
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:54,700
Bridge on the River, Kwai is
going to be nowhere to be seen

1185
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:56,600
on that.
Just like, I get it.

1186
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,700
I get why people worship this
movie but at the end of the day,

1187
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,500
like, there's only so much, you
can praise a movie and then say

1188
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:06,100
like, hey, I just didn't enjoy
it as much as I enjoy.

1189
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:09,400
Other movies that are meant to
be enjoyed and so I'm going to

1190
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,600
give it a 9 out of 10 and that
that makes our final score way

1191
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,300
lower than I expected to see
next to the name Lawrence of

1192
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,600
Arabia.
But that brings us out to an 8

1193
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,399
point 7 5 out of 10.
If you've seen Lawrence of

1194
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,800
Arabia, we'd love to know what
you think.

1195
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,200
Are you like, do you think we're
crazy?

1196
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,100
Is it one of the five best
movies ever made?

1197
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:30,899
Is it overrated?
You know, we can start those hot

1198
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,899
takes.
If you'd like to, you can let us

1199
01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:35,800
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1200
01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:40,500
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1201
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,899
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1202
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:45,600
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1203
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,899
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1204
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:51,100
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conversation, With us, in real

1205
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:54,100
time you can find a link to our
Discord at the end of every

1206
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:58,000
single one of our show notes, we
will be back next week to talk

1207
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,899
about this movie.
That I've been teasing this

1208
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:02,100
whole week, The Bridge on the
River Kwai.

1209
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:06,700
But until then I'm Bob book, I'm
Reggie and we'll see you next

1210
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:07,200
time.