High Noon / New Riff Bottled-in-Bond Bourbon

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In 1952 director, Fred zinnemann
and star Gary Cooper gave the

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world, an unhurried Western that
puts good alone on the stand

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against the apathy of an entire
town.

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In 2021, we take a short trip
across the Ohio, River to

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discover one of Kentucky's, best
new distilleries.

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The movie is High Noon.
The whiskey is new riff Bourbon

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and we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week, we are looking at a
true classic.

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The 1952 Western High Noon.
Brad.

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I've actually been really
excited for this one to come up

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on the list this year.
I know, I just I get a craving

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to watch this movie every now
and then, and I knew it was

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coming up.
So I kind of held off on

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watching it.
It's just such an enjoyable

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movie and it's like an hour and
25 minutes.

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Long one thing that I've
realized lately, Brad and we've

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watched a ton of long movies.
I love a good short movie, yeah.

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Dude, one of the most beautiful
things that makes this movie, so

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stinkin rewatchable.
Is the fact that it's an hour

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and 24 minutes and that's it,
you're in.

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You're out.
Like it is just so it's the

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cinematography is so tight.
In this movie, The pacing is so

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well done, like it's amazing to
me that this is such a

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slow-paced movie and I mean that
in a good way and and it works

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because it's only an hour and a
half and you're it's just so

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simple to jump in know what's
going on and kind of know what

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you're getting into.
And you don't have to invest a

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ton of energy into like a
three-hour Western Brad, you

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know, that I live to nitpick the
things that you say like this.

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That's, you know, kind of the
premise of this whole podcast.

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It's just me tearing you down to
the studs so that you can

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rebuild bigger and better than
ever.

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But I'm pretty sure that you get
more frustrated much more

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regularly than I was an
attractive.

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I've tried to paint a narrative
here man.

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Okay, sorry, I have to ask you
though because I this is an

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accusation that At you kind of
level at movies, all the time

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and sometimes you say that it's
good.

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And sometimes that you say that
it's bad and you use this term

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slowly paced.
I don't know that I would in

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anyway, call this movie slowly
paced.

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I think it's kind of hard to pay
some movie slowly.

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That's only 85 minutes long in
the first place.

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But I think what you might be
getting at here is that this

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movie is done in what's called
real-time?

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Like the start of this movie is
at 10:30 in the morning and then

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to the movie is it like, you
know, 12:05 p.m. so.

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Don't know, Bob it's at High
Noon.

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Well I mean then you see the
aftermath of that and then maybe

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five minutes afternoon.
So essentially this movie takes

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place in what we would call real
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Is that way you're getting at
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Or do you actually think this is
a slow movie?

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Well, I mean, just think about
the cinematography Bob, like,

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anytime.
You see Gary Cooper walking down

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the street, is there ever just
like really quick Cuts between a

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bunch of different things
happening.

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Yeah, but see that's not, that's
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editing.
So are you saying that?

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It's okay, it's edited.
Slowly, or like I'm just gonna

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lick used not even just the
editing though.

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Like even when we sit with
characters in this movie, the

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camera isn't in any hurry, like
think about the famous shot

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where, you know, he walks out
and it's right before noon and

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the camera slowly pulls back up
to show the entire town and he's

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alone.
Like that shot takes, I don't

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know a solid like 15 to 20
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The camera moves slowly, it's
casual, it's not Hurry.

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And like so when I say slowly
paced and I talked about

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cinematography, that's what I'm
talking God.

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Okay?
There's so many parts of this

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movie where it's just slowly
casually following him down the

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street as he walks from one
place to the next nesting.

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So for me, it's a slowly paced
movie even though it's only an

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hour and 24 minutes and I see
what I would say is that that is

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suspense building though.
You know what I mean like and if

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that's the case, then I think
you would have to say that.

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Like some of Hitchcock's movies
are slow-paced.

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If If if that's what we're
getting at because I think they

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really draw out the tension so
that by the time you get to noon

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when, you know, the action of
this movie happens there

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intercutting between, you know,
five six, seven different

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characters looking at the clock
and it really draws out that

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suspense.
I don't know.

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Did you find this movie to be
suspenseful, or did you find it

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to be more?
Kind of deliberately paste?

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I think both things are true.
Nice.

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All right.
Oh yes, Megan Shaw.

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Same page here.
You know, before I got I kick

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you off this time.
Gasps for good.

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I think that you're just way off
my page, Bob the page where I'm

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right.
And I have a better taste and

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understanding of movies the
nude.

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I think, I think all of America
would agree with that.

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And so, because of that, let's
move into America's favorite

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segment.
Brad.

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This is the segment.
We call Brad explains where Brad

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breaks down the plot of the
movie that he has just seen

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often for the first time Brad.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here

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and say that this was not your
first time seeing high noon.

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I know you grew up watching,
westerns am I right in my

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assumption.
Yes, I've seen High Noon, it has

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been a very long time.
I would say probably 15 to 20

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years since I've seen it, so it
felt like coming pretty fresh

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into it, but yeah, I've seen it
before.

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Nice.
Alright, so, I don't think this

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is going to take very long but
as you know Brad we have

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implemented a 60 second time.
Limit on.

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Brad explains for this season.
Can you break down the plot of

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this movie in one minute or
less?

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I think I can.
There's a bad guy coming back to

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town and Gary Cooper.
Tries to get people to help him

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and they all pretty much spit in
his face and then he kills them

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all by himself with his wife,
who's a Quaker at the end but

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boom, 15 s ba.
My favorite thing about Brad

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explains is that if you go to
like an IMDb page for a movie

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and it gives you like a
one-sentence synopsis somehow,

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Brad explains manages to explain
even less of a movie than that

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basic, like even mention that
he's the Marshal of the town.

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He's You know to hear Brad.
Tell it Gary Cooper is just a

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guy in the town.
Who wants to kill bad, guys.

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See, here's the thing, Bob, he's
not the Marshal.

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He turned the badge in at the
very start.

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Yeah, so true.
So true, who actually paid

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attention in this movie, huh?
Oh my gosh.

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All right, so the movie starts
out and I'm Marshall, will Kane

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is getting married to a woman
who is significantly younger

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than him.
And the plan is that he is going

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to turn over his badge.
He's going to go off with his

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new love.
They're going to open.

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Store together because she's a
Quaker, she doesn't like

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violence and it's going to be a
full day until the new Marshal

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can come into town but lo and
behold, Frank Miller a guy that

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Marshal Cain sent Upstate to
hang and ended up getting sent

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to prison.
Instead is out of prison and

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he's coming with his posse
looking for vengeance.

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And so, you know, Gary Cooper
like you said, tries to round up

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people all over town to help him
take these guys down and it's

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the story of A Lone Hero doing
what he knows is, right.

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Even Though no one will stand
with him.

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This is kind of like the
quintessential American story.

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Brad.
I mean, like I think about

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westerns and when I think about
the kind of typical American

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Western, I think this might be
my favorite of the American

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westerns.
I will say I'm right there with

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you.
This is probably up there is my

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favorite Western.
I'm trying to think of other

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ones that would replace this.
I will say though, you talked

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about suspense a little bit
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I think that the suspense could
have been heightened a little

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bit if they use the name other
than Frank Miller like oh man

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good old.
Frankie Mill is coming back to

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town.
I'm real scared like that one

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episode of Family Guy where
Peters trying to get into like a

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locked door.
And the computer asks him what

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is the most unattractive name in
the mail in the English language

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and just yes, Keith.
Yep.

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Yeah, Frank doesn't have a sort
of menace to it.

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Does it honestly like one of his
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Who is played by Lee Van Cleef?
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I'm like, heck you could have
just called him.

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Lee Van Cleef.
And that's a scary name, like

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Frank Miller just wasn't doing
it for now.

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Brad, but I love that.
We're at the point in our

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podcast, where we get to
reference other episodes that

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we've made because it just tells
me that we have that big of a

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backlog of episodes now.
But you know, we just did The

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Good, the Bad and the Ugly, I
don't know, a few months ago,

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and we talked about Lee Van
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It's so cool to see him here in
what was his film debut, I don't

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think.
He has maybe but one line of

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dialogue in this movie and the
funny thing is I recognize him

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so much from those Sergio Leone
movies that when I saw Frank

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Miller, at the end of the movie
and they really build him up.

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He like he gets off the train
and you don't see his face and

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you're thinking like, oh, is
this going to be kind of a Matt

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Damon in interstellar thing
where it's a surprise movie

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star?
And no.

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It's just a guy that had really
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When he was a teenager and looks
kind of doughy and Lee Van Cleef

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looks so much.
Much more Sinister than the

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actual bad guy of this movie.
I it was such a letdown when I

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saw Frank Miller.
Yeah.

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Like yeah, I was kind of the
same place.

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I'm like, man, I'm just waiting
for like John Wayne to jump off

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there, like Jimmy Stewart, for
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Like like that.
Can't you imagine Jimmy Stewart

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coming down and going?
I'm gonna shoot.

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Okay, now it's time for you to
die Kane, right?

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Yeah.
That would have made this movie

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10 times.
Better a million times better.

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I will say, though, That one of
the things I love about this

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movie is that there is not a
moment of fat on this thing.

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It, you know, again it really
constrains itself to that hour

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and a half long running time to
the point that even the opening

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titles have action going on
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You know it's not like your
typical old movie where they

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just have kind of title cards on
a blank background know.

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It's like Frank Miller's Posse
is getting themselves together

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and riding over to the train
depot and it's not super

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important action that's
happening in the background.

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But I think It really does.
Kind of tip you off that.

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There's not really a moment to
waste in this movie.

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Well, I think that with an
opening like that, what you're

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do, what the director is doing,
you know, zinnemann he's giving

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you Exposition without saying a
word, right?

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Like you have to do the credits,
you know?

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And so you put the credits in,
but he's giving you the

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exposition is just, the simple
fact.

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These are bad people who the
town is afraid of.

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Yeah, and something is going to
happen.

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Something big is going to
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A pin that they are in town and
you get all of that from that

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opening 23 minute sequence.
And like you said, Bob nothing's

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really happening.
They're just trotting their way

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on through town.
But I think that little moments

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like that are beautiful, because
they go back to something.

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We talked about on this podcast
a lot show, don't tell.

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And I think zinnemann does a
masterful job of that at the

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start of this film, Brad.
I think it's time we start

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talking about the performances
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You know, Gary Cooper wins an
Oscar for this movie for best

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actor.
Or this is the first Gary Cooper

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movie, we've done, which I'm
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I don't think we've done one to
this point and we're talking

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about one of the most famous
actors in Hollywood history.

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And we'll get to the other
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know, we've done a Grace Kelly
movie before we've done five or

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six, Thomas Mitchell movies
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But before we get to them, I do
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So famously this movie was kind
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He had been one of the most
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He filmed this after just coming
off a Surgery for a bleeding

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ulcer that he had.
And so, you know, the Hollywood

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Legend the Mythos behind this
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Cooper had this pained
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the movie, because he was
recovering from surgery and it

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really aided his performance so
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And I'll say this, Brad, I think
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you got a real sense of his
nervousness.

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And you got a real sense of his,
his true anger towards these

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people who are continually
betraying him, it's a really

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good.
Formance.

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But at about the 15-minute Mark,
when he was still supposed to

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be, you know, for the most part
kind of still a happy newlywed

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and he's pretending to be happy
with Grace Kelly and let's go

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off and start a store.
I'm like, did this guy really

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deserve to win an Oscar?
Because this part is not

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convincing me at all Gary,
Cooper's, 50 years old when they

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make this movie Grace, Kelly's,
21, and that age difference is

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very apparent.
I think that has something to do

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with it, but when it comes to
the performance itself, Add,

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where are you falling on?
It, was it great, was it?

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You know, just in the middle?
Was it bad?

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I think that what really pulls
the performance together is when

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he's finally by himself, he
knows that everybody's abandoned

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him and he puts his head down on
his office desk and just cries

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as he's like, writing out the
last will and testament like I

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like, I think it's that moment
where he kind of breaks a little

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bit.
That makes it a good performance

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but if you notice, I don't use
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Since because in the end I think
that weirdly like Gary Cooper

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was the right choice for this
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I think he does a really fine
job with it, but there's not, I

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don't think he's given very much
to work with, in this script.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, I agree with that.

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And I've seen so many movies
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That I just know that this is
not one of his best

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performances.
He did a movie with Frank Capra

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called Meet John Doe which I
think is fantastic.

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You know, he won another Oscar
for Sergeant York.

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He played Lou Gehrig and Pride
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He's had some really great
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And this one just seems like a
very OneNote stoic performance

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and it has glimpses of
Brilliance in it, but like, you

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know, I look at the Oscar win
and I'm just kind of like man, I

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don't, I don't know if I see it.
I mean, did you watch all the

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other best actor performances
that were nominated that?

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Yeah, that's no, I did not.
That's, that's a good.

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You never know man.
Maybe this really was just the

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best of the best.
You know, the funny thing about

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that is this was an
exceptionally weak.

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Year for the Oscars 1952 like it
had its biggest competition

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seemed to be the John Ford movie
The Quiet Man, which we both

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love as well.
And those movies, both lost to

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assess will be DeMille, movie
called The Greatest Show on

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Earth, which was about circus
performers and no one remembers

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it.
Nobody could believe that it won

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at the time, but the director
Cecil B Demille won some sort of

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Lifetime Achievement Award.
And so they just kind of gave

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him best picture to go with it
and looking back on it now.

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It's just like, How did High
Noon not win?

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Best picture over a circus
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I mean, if anything Bob, it just
gives us another reason to hate

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the greatest showman even more.
Or it gives people more ammo to

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say the greatest showman should
have won best picture.

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I don't think that that's a true
statement.

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Robertson and if we can give it
to green book we can give it to

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the greatest showman dude I'm an
I still like scream book but how

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the heck did that way best
picture?

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So so good.
Yeah.

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Gary Cooper, though.
Well, I was going to say, we

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need to get to The Quiet Man on
this podcast because I freaking

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that he loves really good movie.
Yeah.

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Oh it's so good job at like John
Wayne and a very abnormal role

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for him.
It's such a good film.

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But with Gary Cooper in this
movie I like he's fine, he's

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good, he's solid.
I think that what really makes

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him great is the way that all of
the other characters in the town

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kind of bounce off of his Stoic.
Like I'm just gonna do good and

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I would like for you all to do
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The way that people bounce off
of his kind of like Stony

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unemotional demeanor it informs
the entire movie.

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It tells the story of the film.
So while I don't think it was

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necessarily his best
performance, it was the

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performance that the movie
needed for sure.

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And I love, you know, especially
as the movie goes on and the

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kind of the betrayals become
more and more personal to him.

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That he never really says a word
calling, any of these people

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out, and it gets to the point
where, you know, everyone has

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abandoned him.
He goes back to his office and

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there's a guy waiting there that
had agreed to go with him and

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he's like, oh, I forgot you were
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And then once that guy realizes,
it's just the two of them.

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He backs out to and they cut to
this really great close up of

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Gary Cooper.
Just listening to this man's

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excuses of well, you know, it's
not really my fight anyway and I

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have a wife and kids and, and he
just, he's just looking at him

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with this, just this Seething
anger and he just says something

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like oh, is that so or something
like that.

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And I love the way that he just
stares at people and he lets

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their words work against them.
And I think that's a really

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great, you know, sign of a good
script as well.

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They don't have him going on
these long impassioned speeches,

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he lets the people be cowards
and that's exactly what they

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are.
He doesn't have to call anyone a

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coward because they all know
that they're doing something

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cowardly as well.
And you watch them kind of

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Shrink back and and you can see
the self-loathing and all of

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their eyes.
But Gary Cooper, never has to

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call them out on it.
He just, you know, he lets it be

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unsaid.
Yeah, I mean, he lets their

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words and their actions condemn
themselves that like, at the end

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of the film, when, you know, we
already talked about it, but

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when the camera pulls back and
you see an empty town, it's a

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condemnation of everything that
they have done throughout the

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entire body.
And I think that is what makes

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this movie.
Oh beautiful.

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So Gary Cooper has a very
storied history in Hollywood and

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it is incredibly sordid and
scandalous and I did a bunch of

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research today and then felt
like, I needed to delete my

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browser history because it was
extra spicy.

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Gary Cooper comes into Hollywood
at the end of the silent film

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era.
He catches the eye of a Starlet

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in Hollywood named Clara Bow,
who they starred in a movie

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together called it, which was
not.

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Coincidentally, about a killer,
Down.

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But that that is where the term
it girl comes from because she

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was the it girl and it launches
his career but also he is passed

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around Hollywood like a rag
doll.

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Just everyone like this man from
all accounts women men, he was

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he was doing it all and he was
doing it to advance his career

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and even after he became famous
he was Notorious in Hollywood

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for sleeping with literally
every person that he Started

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with in movies from you know,
Ingrid Bergman to Patricia Neal

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and the rumor is that even
during this film he and Grace

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Kelly had an affair.
Now that is never been

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substantiated, it's just a rumor
and I think it's a rumor because

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people just assumed it about him
at this point, but I'll say

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this, Brad as we move into Grace
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If Gary Cooper and Grace Kelly
had an affair during the

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production of this movie.
It's really interesting to me

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because they have zero
chemistry.

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On screen.
Yeah, the the I did not

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understand the casting of Grace
Kelly in this role because and

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it comes down to what you just
said, Bob they just don't fit

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together at all.
Like she comes across as like a

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female version of him and she is
like stoic and cold and

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seemingly unfeeling.
When she's having her

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conversation with mrs.
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There's just nothing in me.
Goes.

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Yeah, they got married for a
reason, like, like the woman who

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plays mrs.
Ramirez has a million times more

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emotional depth and quality of
acting and Charisma and and

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Charisma.
Then anything that Kris Kelly

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could offer and the thing is
that like Grace Kelly, can't do

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it.
Like I've watched her in rear

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window and other movies, like
she can turn on the charm but

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she does not in this movie.
What I think part of that is she

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supposed to be this Lycra?
Reserve kind of mousy Quaker

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woman, right?
But I think part of it too is

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she was picked for this movie
and she was supposed to co-star

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opposite.
Somebody closer to her age.

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At least this movie was,
originally offered to John

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Wayne, who like vehemently
violently hated this movie.

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And we'll talk about why later,
but he passed on it and they

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offered it to younger people.
They offered, it's Marlon Brando

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who said, no, they offered its
Montgomery Clift who said, no

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Gary.
Cooper was like, the fourth or

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fifth choice for this movie.
And so, by the time they get to

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Gary Cooper.
I think they kind of had Grace

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Kelly locked in and they were
just like, yeah, we'll make this

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30 year age difference work and
it does not work.

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And I think, you know,
unfortunately a lot of the blame

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falls on Grace Kelly because we
can't picture this movie without

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Gary Cooper but in a lot of ways
she was kind of given a raw deal

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as well.
Yeah I mean if you're forced

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next to a star that's 29 years
older than you.

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That it's it just didn't work.
No.

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I mean you know what's the Rule
half plus 7.

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So like that means that Gary
Cooper should be with a woman 32

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or older, and at least and she's
21.

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It just it just doesn't work and
I and if there's a problem with

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this movie, it's that I really
just don't give a rip about

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Grace Kelly and so when she
helps him out at the end, I

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don't feel any sense of like no.
Yeah.

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Like she helped her husband like
there's just zero chemistry

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between the two.
Of these people.

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And I don't understand like it,
like, in the Canon of the movie.

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Why the heck did they get
married?

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Yeah, that's I mean, that just
doesn't make any sense.

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Have no chemistry.
And neither one of them is a

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charismatic person.
So they were just maybe they

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were just attracted by each
other's boringness.

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But but I will say, I think from
like a scripting standpoint from

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like building out the world of
the movie making her a Quaker

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was actually a really great
decision like Brad.

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And I went to a school that a
college that is from the Baker

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tradition and the Quakers are
all about, you know, pacifism

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and non-violence.
And I think that the decision to

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make her a quicker.
It's not just this kind of

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simplistic, like Aw Shucks, I'm
a married man.

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Now, I gotta change my ways, but
it's also like, I'm a married

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man.
In my wife is really opposed to

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the idea of even self-defense,
you know, violence and so he has

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to make this decision to stand
up for what he thinks is, Right?

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Knowing that it could basically
end up annulling, his brand new

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marriage and it really He kind
of adds this layer to his, you

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know, quote unquote, Redemption
Ark, he wants to get out of

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being a martial.
He wants to establish this new

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kind of life, and it highlights
what he's trying to escape from.

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And so, at the end of the movie,
when she does, pick up a gun and

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shoot somebody to help him out,
you know, I see that as a moment

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more of tragedy and they kind of
show her like start crying after

448
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,800
she does it, it's a sign that
like the people in this town are

449
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,400
so cowardly that this person in
Grace Kelly has two.

450
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:34,100
To go against her, most deeply
held beliefs to help him out at

451
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,300
the end of the movie.
And, you know, it's kind of like

452
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,100
one of those loss of Innocence
moments.

453
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,600
So I really like that moment.
I like that.

454
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,300
They added that to her
character.

455
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,200
I'll still agree with you that
it's hard to care because they

456
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,800
have so little chemistry with
each other.

457
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,200
Yeah, I will say a small moment
of cinematography that I wish he

458
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,300
had, let linger like three
seconds longer.

459
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,200
There's a shot right?
When Gary Cooper is in the, the

460
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,300
sad.
Re and the he's fighting the

461
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:05,100
last two bad guys and it shows
Grace Kelly looking out the

462
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:09,200
window and the shot has like her
face looking out the window.

463
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,600
And it's angled at just the
right like spot to see the gun

464
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,700
that Cooper's, former deputy had
left hanging on the walls and

465
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:22,700
she ended up her eyes.
Kind of look over towards it and

466
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,800
they cut right away.
Yes, but they cut too fast.

467
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,300
Literally it neat like the scene
just like it was like there.

468
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,200
And gone.
And I'm like, oh, if you just

469
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400
given that like two more seconds
to linger, she like she didn't

470
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,300
have to look at it from very
long.

471
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,500
She didn't have to interact with
it.

472
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,500
Just seeing it there.
I was like, oh, you know, it's

473
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:41,400
gone.
Yeah.

474
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Well, that was a nice shot.
Yeah, so I don't know if I'm

475
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,800
complaining there or like
complimenting but that was cool.

476
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,100
I will say, one other thing with
Grace Kelly, there was one small

477
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:57,500
moment of this movie.
That reminded me of Bob, what is

478
00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:00,300
one of your and eyes?
Absolute Films.

479
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,300
It reminded me for of the room
for like half a second.

480
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,600
The Tommy was oh classic.
Oh yes.

481
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,300
Oh interesting, dude.
When Grace Kelly and mrs.

482
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:16,600
Ramirez are talking and suddenly
she goes my brother and father

483
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,100
were killed.
I watched my brother died.

484
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,800
Like that moment.
Just felt like and I have cancer

485
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,800
but nobody cares.
It's just like like and It's

486
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,300
more than just that, like what
kind of woman are you?

487
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,300
How can you leave him like this,
does the Son of Guns, fighting

488
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:40,800
you that much, you know, mrs.
Ramirez.

489
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,100
I've heard guns my father and my
brother were killed by guns.

490
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,300
They were on the right side but
that didn't help them any when

491
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,900
the shooting started.
My brother was 19.

492
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:56,400
I watched him die.
That's when I became a Quaker.

493
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,800
I just felt like that the
delivery there was so wooden and

494
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,500
stilted that I was like wait was
Tommy was so directing this like

495
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,100
like what's going on and then of
course, they never talk about it

496
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,500
ever again.
No, so there you go.

497
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,700
All right, before we go to
break, I want to round out this

498
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:16,200
cast a little bit.
It has some fantastic supporting

499
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,100
actors but for me, I gotta talk
about my boy Thomas Mitchell.

500
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,600
Maybe the greatest character
actor of all time, he's been in

501
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,900
everything, like it's amazing
when you think about How many

502
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,900
movies he was in.
But how many movies that he was

503
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,700
in ended up becoming all-time
classics, and he showed up in

504
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,600
this movie and I had forgotten
that he was in this movie and he

505
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,700
popped up in the very first
scene, and I just wrote down,

506
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:43,200
Thomas Mitchell, hell yes.
Like because I know when he

507
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,700
shows up in a movie I'm going to
be on board and he doesn't

508
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,100
really have that much to do
here.

509
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,800
And it was kind of surprising to
me that this was like, a Thomas

510
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,900
Mitchell roll because in so many
movies like he adds such a layer

511
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,900
of Of depth to a character.
That's kind of under written

512
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:03,200
like think Scarlett O'Hara's
dad, he's so good and Gone With

513
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200
the Wind and here, he's just
kind of like, you know, friend

514
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,700
number three and he has a really
great scene and I think that

515
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,300
that scene in the church where
you think he's on Gary Cooper

516
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:17,200
side and then halfway through
his speech, he turns on him that

517
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,700
actually to me was probably like
the Betrayal of Gary Cooper that

518
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,100
hurt the most.
And I think it's a credit to

519
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:28,200
Thomas Mitchell's acting because
The way the movie structured,

520
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,100
like, there's still two more
people that walk out on him

521
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,200
after that.
And I think they're supposed to

522
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,600
kind of hurt more, but they
don't because Thomas Mitchell.

523
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,200
So good.
I'm 100% with you.

524
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,400
Bob that scene in the church,
it's the it's one of the only

525
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,500
times other than when he's in
the bar that Gary Cooper

526
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:49,000
actually, like really goes out
on a limb and like, makes a

527
00:27:49,008 --> 00:27:52,300
little bit of a speech.
And then once again, he lets

528
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,500
see, lets the townsfolk talk it
out.

529
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,300
And dude, when Thomas Mitchell
starts, you're like, yeah, Man

530
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,800
that he's going to get everybody
on Cooper's side and there's

531
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,900
going to be a posse and it's
gonna be super cool and then

532
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,400
like halfway through he's like,
yeah.

533
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800
But we need to, you know, we
need to get some factories down

534
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,000
here and if they find out that
we shoot guns in the streets

535
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,400
they're not going to do it so
sorry.

536
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,400
Sorry.
Gary Coupe we out he didn't have

537
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,100
to come back here today and for
his sake and the sake of this

538
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:27,500
town I wish he hadn't.
Because if he's not here, when

539
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,300
Miller comes my hunch?
Is that won't be any trouble.

540
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,500
Not one bit tomorrow.
We'll have a new Marshal and if

541
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,500
we can all agree here to offer
him our services, I think we can

542
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,800
handle anything that comes
along.

543
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:44,200
Let me that makes sense to me.
That's the only way out of this.

544
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Well, I think you better go Ella
still time.

545
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,400
It's better for you and it's
better for us.

546
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,100
It's the way he frames it to, as
like, we really appreciate

547
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,700
everything you've done for us,
but your time is done here now

548
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,400
and it really just paints his
whole relationship with Gary

549
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,900
Cooper over the years as I don't
know, transactional or like it's

550
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,200
utilitarian, its parasitic is
what it is.

551
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
It's just like we used you to
help get this town out of the

552
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,500
gutter but now it's inconvenient
for us to let you stay any

553
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,100
longer.
So please do us a favor.

554
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,700
Were and get the hell out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that man, it's

555
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,200
just brutal and and knowingly.
Like, you don't really see

556
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Thomas Mitchell throughout the
rest of the movie, like his

557
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,700
words have damned himself and
and he's, you know, consigned to

558
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:39,700
the bowels of the film.
Well, I think maybe Brad, if I

559
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,800
can, if I can pull out a brad
g-type Segway.

560
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,100
I think maybe it's time to get
some whisky into our bowels.

561
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:47,900
So what do you say?
We tried this once.

562
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,700
Just get that whiskey.
This is gonna go straight on

563
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,800
through bad.
All right, what do you say?

564
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,400
We try this new riff bourbon.
Let's get to it.

565
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:44,300
Bob
Alright so today we are checking

566
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:48,500
out new riff Kentucky.
Straight bottled in the bond

567
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,200
bourbon, whiskey new riff.
As you may know.

568
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,700
If you've listened to this
podcast for a long time, was one

569
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,300
of the very first distilleries
that ever let us kind of come

570
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,700
down and interview their
co-founder jair Osman.

571
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:04,300
Who is a huge movie buff?
We talked about Akira Kurosawa

572
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:06,000
movies, it was a really fun
time.

573
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,300
While I was down at The
Distillery, we tried their three

574
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,500
Flagship Whiskey's which is a
bottled and bond bourbon a

575
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,400
Holden Bond dry and a barrel
proof Bourbon.

576
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:19,400
And when I tried this bottled
and bond bourbon, it became my

577
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200
favorite of the three, and I
haven't really drank at since

578
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,100
then Brad.
I've been letting this bottle

579
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,700
kind of sit on my shelf for a
long time.

580
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,200
I'm really excited to go back to
it again.

581
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,100
After a couple Seasons having,
not tried it.

582
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,600
I mean, I know Brad that when we
first got these sample bottles

583
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,100
in the mail, they gave us like,
you know a fifth each like to

584
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,700
share and you drank down your Of
the bottle really quick.

585
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:45,200
I remember you liking this a
lot.

586
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,300
Yeah.
This was one of the early

587
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,000
Whiskey's where I was like oh I
could drink this every day.

588
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,500
Yeah, because you know, like
drinking whiskey neat.

589
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,800
Sure.
You can do it every day but it's

590
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,300
not.
Something you do all the time.

591
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,200
But this is the first whiskey,
where I was like this bottle,

592
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
the disappear real quick.
Now, I will say, if we had

593
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,500
thought this out a little
better, today may have been a

594
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,600
good day to do the new R if r.
I so that we could have said

595
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,700
something like High Noon, more
like Rye noon and then we The

596
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,500
throne over that, you know, we
really miss an opportunity.

597
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,500
There, the beautiful thing
though, is Bobby, you still said

598
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,500
it?
I did I had I couldn't let it go

599
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:22,500
Brad.
So film.

600
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,500
Whiskey Nation.
You're welcome.

601
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,000
All right.
Brad, we both have this almost

602
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,700
at High Noon.
We both have this new riff

603
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,300
bourbon poured out in front of
us.

604
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,600
Again, this is a four year aged
bourbon.

605
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,600
I really love that right on
there bottle, they put the mash

606
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,300
bill.
So we're looking at a 65% corn.

607
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:44,000
30 %, R I5 % barley mashed Bill
really high in Rye.

608
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,800
What do you picking up on the
nose here?

609
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,500
Bob, when I get into the aroma,
on this bad boy, I am getting

610
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,600
orange and caramel, it's mixing
with like a really nice soft

611
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,900
Vanilla, some baking spices.
This nose just has a lot going

612
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,700
on.
It's very flavorful and yet like

613
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,700
not overpowering.
I really really love this knows

614
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,100
I'm gonna give it an eight and a
half out of ten.

615
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,400
Yeah.
I don't know that I would call

616
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,900
this complex and yet I think
alike in a lot of ways, it

617
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:14,700
really is the Phoenician of
complex because it kind of comes

618
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,400
at you in waves, when I first
poured it out, it was like, very

619
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,800
obviously a bourbon.
Lots of caramel character, a

620
00:33:22,808 --> 00:33:26,000
nice punch of ethanol on the
nose and then it kind of sat for

621
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800
a minute and it took on a much
kind of softer fruitier.

622
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Characteristic for me, it was
more Peach than than orange and

623
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,800
then another minute went by and
it really took on a really nice

624
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:40,200
Oak and grain character as well.
So it's kind of coming in waves

625
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400
at me, but it's got pretty much
everything.

626
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,800
Thing you could possibly want in
the nose of a bourbon, I'm also

627
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200
going to give it an eight and a
half out of ten and that gives

628
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,300
us into our taste Bob.
I was like blown away because I

629
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:55,300
felt like there's a lot of stuff
going on on the nose and then I

630
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:59,900
got it into my mouth and there
was cinnamon there was like

631
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:04,500
clove the orange came through
and then you hit a little bit of

632
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,199
that spiciness from the Rye.
I just really, really enjoyed

633
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,400
this taste.
Yeah, this has a lot of like

634
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Taking spice and then almost
like a bitters kind of wouldn't,

635
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,600
I wouldn't say bitter but
bitters like it has that sort of

636
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:24,500
angostura almost kind of taste
to it, like really herbal and

637
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,000
then a lot of oak on the
backend.

638
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,699
It's not super sweet but it also
doesn't tip into being bitter at

639
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,500
all.
It just has a really nice herbal

640
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:36,699
quality to it all the way
through man.

641
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:38,600
I'm really digging this and it
has.

642
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:42,100
It definitely has a punch to it
from the ethanol as well as you

643
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:43,500
can tell.
This is 100 proof.

644
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,199
I think it actually drinks a
little bit hotter than 100

645
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,199
proof.
But even then it's not, it's not

646
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,100
harsh, it's not overpowering.
This is a really, really

647
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,600
well-balanced whiskey, which
will get to obviously, in the

648
00:34:54,607 --> 00:34:56,199
balance score.
Brad.

649
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,000
I think I'm gonna give this a
nine out of ten on the taste.

650
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,700
I think I'm a little bit softer
than you on that.

651
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:04,000
I like it a lot.
It's not blowing me away, but

652
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,800
I'm gonna give it an 8 out of 10
on the taste.

653
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,800
Well, that takes us to finish.
I think that's where this one

654
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,500
kind of and it doesn't falter
but it takes on a He distinctly

655
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:17,000
like like a 7-Up kind of taste
for me like a lemon lime thing

656
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,700
as soon as I swallow, it almost
tastes like a flat lemon-lime

657
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,000
soda and then it has a pretty
nice Kentucky hug or like a

658
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,100
chest warming thing on the way
down again.

659
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,600
Nothing harsh.
Very mouth-watering.

660
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,700
I like this a lot but I think
that the complexity that you got

661
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:38,100
on the nose and The Taste kind
of go away and make it more of

662
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:40,900
like a one-note finish.
So I'll just give this a seven

663
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,500
and a half on the Finish.
Yeah, I'm with you.

664
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:44,600
Bob.
I'm going to give it a seven and

665
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
a half, I think that you still
have some stuff going on.

666
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,000
It's nice and spicy on the
Finish.

667
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,700
You get some of the oakiness
throughout, but it just kind of

668
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:58,100
tails off a bit.
You lose some of those crazy fun

669
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,100
flavors that you had on the nose
in the palette, alright, that

670
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,100
takes us to overall balance,
Brad.

671
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,400
I think this is an incredibly
well-balanced whiskey.

672
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600
It really doesn't hint at
anything, that it doesn't

673
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,000
deliver like that.
Nose was not overly sweet, and

674
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
then, I think, Palette was not
overly sweet, so it's definitely

675
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,700
in a very specific kind of
flavor wheel house.

676
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:21,200
I think, but it's consistent all
the way across with it.

677
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,700
I think I'm going to give this a
nine on balance.

678
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Yeah, I'm going to give it an
eight and a half.

679
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:30,000
It's complex and yet all of the
flavors work together,

680
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,500
beautifully to give you an
experience that you're not going

681
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:33,700
to forget.
All right.

682
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,300
So, that takes us pretty
quickly.

683
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,900
I might add, we've gone through
this really fast that takes us

684
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:42,300
to the price the value and in
the state of Ohio, this bad boy

685
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:47,200
will Only set you back 3999 and
I think that is an absolute

686
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
steal.
Now again there are a lot of

687
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,900
people out there that say they
prefer the the barrel proof

688
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:55,000
version or this.
I'm sorry, not Barrel proof the

689
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,200
single barrel version.
I almost always try to steer

690
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,800
people away from single barrels
just because there is variation

691
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,200
from Barrel to Barrel.
If you're into that sort of

692
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,000
thing great I'll always take a
small batch over a single barrel

693
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
and it just so happens that this
is still 100 Proof.

694
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:16,200
And it's cheaper and because of
that like I think this is a home

695
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,400
run.
Anyone who's out there that has

696
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,700
been struggling to get their
hands on like a Henry McKenna.

697
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600
And even now Ohio's raise the
price of Henry McKenna to $50.

698
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,100
I think this is really
comparable to Henry McKenna and

699
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:32,100
it's going to be at least $10
cheaper and easy to find.

700
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
I think again Brad I'm going to
give this a nine out of ten on

701
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,700
value.
Yeah this is an eight and a half

702
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,400
for me.
I mean, $40 it.

703
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,400
You know if we're looking at our
normal Mille price range scale.

704
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,600
Like I would say the majority of
bourbon that I would buy as in

705
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,800
like the 28 to 32 dollar range
and so $40.

706
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,700
It's a little bit above my
normal price range, but for a

707
00:37:55,707 --> 00:38:02,100
product like this I'm sold.
This is a great whiskey that you

708
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,900
really can't find Value like
this at $40 knows.

709
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,000
Now also I think we're just
going to be honest and say we're

710
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
both huge fans of The Distillery
itself.

711
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
It has a Cool history.
You know, basically, starting

712
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:19,800
out as part of the Party Source
store there in Kentucky, it

713
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,400
became a brand that was called,
okay, I for a long time and then

714
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,200
they launched their own
Distillery, which became new

715
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,300
riff the bottle that we have was
distilled in Fall of 2014

716
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,600
bottled in Fall of 2018 which
really just throws me back Brad

717
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,800
because we got this bottle like
right when we started this

718
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,200
podcast in 2019.
So I'd be really interested to

719
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,200
see if this has changed or
matured anymore.

720
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,900
As the process has gone on as
they've expanded their

721
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,900
distribution last few years.
But even in this kind of older

722
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,400
bottle that we're drinking now,
it is really tough to find a

723
00:38:52,408 --> 00:38:56,300
better value than new riff
bottled and bond and I'm coming

724
00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,400
out to a 43 out of 50 on this.
Yeah, I'm at a forty one out of

725
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,100
50 Bob.
Well, that makes it pretty easy

726
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:05,900
to find our average.
We are at a 42 out of 50 or an

727
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,200
84 out of 100.
As you guys know anything, over

728
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,300
a 40 is pretty much an immediate
go out and buy.

729
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,500
And luckily, this is truly one
of those things that you can

730
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,600
find at most liquor stores
across the United States.

731
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,600
It's super affordable.
It's really really reasonable.

732
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,800
I would absolutely recommend
trying buying, go get a bottle

733
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,700
now.
Yeah, this really joins like

734
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,100
rarefied air.
There are not many Whiskey's

735
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:37,500
under $50 that hit that 40 plus
range for us.

736
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:42,300
So filming whiskey Nation, get
out there and buy you some new

737
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,700
Riff bourbon.
It's phenomenal.

738
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,300
Alright Brad let's get back into
talking about High Noon.

739
00:39:47,300 --> 00:40:30,700
Sounds good to me.
All right, that was new riff

740
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:34,000
bottled in bond bourbon whiskey.
We both really, really love.

741
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,700
We're getting back into talking
about high noon and Brad.

742
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:41,200
I am going to go back through
the annals of History to pull up

743
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,000
a segment.
I have not done in a long time,

744
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400
which we started just this
season and then immediately

745
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,100
dropped that.
We called Bob ruins it.

746
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,500
Yeah, II.
You know, I just I need a place

747
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,300
to nitpick a little bit
sometimes and uh-huh.

748
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:54,800
A lot of them.
Movies that we've done this

749
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,800
season.
I just haven't seen any major

750
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,500
gaping plot, holes, or nits to
pick.

751
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,300
And finally, a movie has risen
to the occasion today.

752
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Brad, I guess here's my
question.

753
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,500
I don't know if this ruins the
whole movie but they are really

754
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:13,000
really counting on you.
The viewer to not think very

755
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,700
much about Frank Miller's plan.
Like they want you to see it

756
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,200
from Gary Cooper's point of
view.

757
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,700
Oh yeah.
But when you really think about

758
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,700
it, I have no idea what Frank
Miller's plan was.

759
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,900
Like those four guys that show
up to come assassinate will

760
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,600
Kane.
There's no way they could have

761
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,400
known that the whole town was
going to abandon Gary Cooper and

762
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800
that he would be on his own in
their minds.

763
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,800
They had to know that it was
going to be like for against 50

764
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,100
right.
Was this supposed to be a

765
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,300
suicide mission or or not?
And if it wasn't like what the

766
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:52,000
hell is their plan?
See the thing is if they had set

767
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,600
it up in the sense that his
Friends.

768
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,800
His little Posse had like lived
in the town the whole time.

769
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Then you could probably just
explain it away and be like, oh

770
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,400
well like he knows that the town
is a pathetic now and probably

771
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,600
won't help will Kane.
But like they ride into town at

772
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,200
the start of the movie, Never
physical.

773
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,400
Guess who's back, right?
So like yeah, I he's just going

774
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,800
to show up.
He's gonna kill him, some will

775
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,900
Kane.
And and that's that's the plan

776
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:23,200
Bob that, that's it, man.
Yeah, I said he's a very

777
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,000
one-dimensional.
No villain with the worst name

778
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,100
in the world ranked.
No.

779
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,500
But seriously, like I know that
in the bar, like the bartender

780
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,200
says, what are you doing in
here?

781
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,900
Will Kane, don't you know, Frank
Miller's.

782
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,000
Got friends in this building.
You're gonna come in and talk

783
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,100
about killing him and it's like,
all right, well, even assuming

784
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,800
that Frank Miller has friends in
the bar.

785
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,100
There are way more people in
that town who would at least on

786
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,600
paper be willing to get
deputized and shoot Frank

787
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,500
Miller.
So I just like, I mean, you know

788
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,200
again maybe he's just driven by
By his revenge but it just

789
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,400
seemed like a really, really
stupid plot to me.

790
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,700
Yeah, I mean, maybe the town is
just a pathetic on both sides

791
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:02,700
because if Frank Miller had
friends in that bar, why didn't

792
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:08,100
they show up to help kill Cain?
You know, like this, this town

793
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,100
isn't just apathetic about good
Bob, they're apathetic about

794
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,700
evil as well.
They just like to watch a good

795
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,300
show, you know like that guy
that guy in the the hotel.

796
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,600
That's actually a brothel like
the front desk guy.

797
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,700
He's like boy oh boy I can't
wait till noon.

798
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,600
We're gonna see us a good show.
Today.

799
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,800
So I remember it's just like the
whole town is like that.

800
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,200
I just wanted to throttle that
actor.

801
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,100
Oh my gosh.
His delivery of those lines was

802
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,200
just like cringe worthy, but
like, but kind of perfect for

803
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,800
what that character was supposed
to be.

804
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,700
Yeah, maybe I'm sure I don't
know, man.

805
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,700
I there were certain stuff in
this movie where I'm like, oh

806
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:51,300
that's just it's just not good
at all.

807
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,700
But but man, I Gosh, darn it.
If I still don't.

808
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,900
Just love this movie Bob.
I know man, before we go into

809
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,200
final scores, I want to talk
about kind of, you know, the

810
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,500
background of the movie and the
legacy of the movie.

811
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,400
It's very obvious.
You know, if you know to look

812
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,500
for it that this is kind of an
allegory for what was going on

813
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:11,700
in the United States at the
time, this movie was written,

814
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:16,200
basically in response to the
quote-unquote Red, Scare, and

815
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,500
the Communist Witch Hunt that
was being led by Joseph

816
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,700
McCarthy.
A lot of people in this movie

817
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:23,600
actually ended up being called
before the house on American

818
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200
activities.
These committee perhaps kind of

819
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,600
ironically the actor Lloyd
Bridges who you know, the father

820
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,600
of Beau Bridges and Jeff Bridges
who plays the kind of cowardly.

821
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,700
Deputy in this movie, he got
called before Hugh act and he

822
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,200
ended up recanting.
He said that he had been a

823
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,000
communist at one time and he was
sorry and kind of took in some

824
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
ways, the Cowardly way out.
And it's really interesting to

825
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,300
see the way this movie Mirrors
that, but the whole point of the

826
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,700
movie was, let's tell a story.
You know metaphorically.

827
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:57,200
Or allegorically about what is
happening in our country right

828
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,300
now and so they wanted to
portray it as we see America, as

829
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,600
being basically pushed around by
a bunch of bullies right now and

830
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,400
not willing to stand up for
what's right?

831
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000
Because they're too afraid of
what might happen to them in

832
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,900
return.
And I think that it's, I mean, I

833
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:16,200
really do think this is a
fantastic example of how to tell

834
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:22,300
a quote-unquote political story,
you know, in the in the guise of

835
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:26,500
like a genre movie Yeah, I mean,
if anything, I think that one of

836
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:31,200
the most frustrating thing about
modern Cinema is, you know,

837
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,200
especially in the world of
Disney is just the fact that

838
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:40,000
they're there zero subtlety
like, at all about anybody's

839
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,200
political agenda.
Like, you just know exactly what

840
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,900
you're getting and that's on
like both sides of the aisle.

841
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,700
Yeah.
Like if you watch things like, I

842
00:45:48,707 --> 00:45:51,900
don't know, like Last Man
Standing or Blue Bloods like,

843
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,800
you know, traditionally
conservative tea.

844
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:57,100
TV shows like you know what?
You're getting into.

845
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,200
If you go into a Clint Eastwood
film, you know, he's going to be

846
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,400
conservator like and it's just
really obvious every single time

847
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,300
and I think that's the
frustrating thing about

848
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:11,600
political statements in will
just say in like culture and

849
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,700
television and movies.
There's just no subtlety

850
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:16,900
anymore, man.
But I think what makes it what

851
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,800
makes it good as when you see an
example that really works.

852
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
So like, you know, I don't even
think that I would call this

853
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,700
movie subtle.
It's not subtle like it.

854
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,900
Very overt, what they're trying
to say, but it's very clever.

855
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:29,800
And I think, you know, like when
I was trying to think of an

856
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,400
analogy to today, my mind
immediately went to knives out

857
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,100
which was, you know, on paper, a
murder mystery, but is very,

858
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:42,800
very obviously Ryan Johnson's
kind of Reflections on the

859
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,700
immigration crisis during the
Trump era.

860
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:48,300
And, you know, the idea of kind
of like class Warfare.

861
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,000
It was his response to the idea
of like the one percenters as

862
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,800
well and I think you know you
get some incredible images.

863
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Imagery in that movie.
And then it kind of gets the

864
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,300
point at the end, where you have
Chris Evans, basically, giving

865
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:02,500
away you kind of tipping, Ryan
Johnson's hand and saying, stuff

866
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:07,200
like you think you can come into
my ancestral, Family Home.

867
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,500
And, and so, like, you know
what, he's going for, but I

868
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,000
still, I still respect it
because it was so cleverly

869
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000
wrapped up in, like a genre
movie.

870
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,900
And I wish that there was more
of that.

871
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,700
Like, I don't mind a political
message, in movies at all.

872
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:26,000
It's just you need to Some some
thought into how you're going to

873
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,300
make it clever on screen and not
just preachy.

874
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,100
Yeah, I mean, we can get into
knives out another day, but that

875
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,100
was like, the only thing about
that movie, that made it like

876
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,800
just rough for me.
Oh interesting.

877
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:42,100
Like everything else in Knives
Out works for me, all of the

878
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,800
political stuff.
Just, it just kind of makes me

879
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,600
want to puke.
Well, I just think the thing

880
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,800
with knives out for me is that
it's not the political message

881
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,200
that he's saying, it's the fact
that he reduces all the Ders to

882
00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:00,100
like very flat portraits of like
like they're basically memes of

883
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,700
different like stereotypes and
politics right now.

884
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,300
And that's what frustrates me so
much about it.

885
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,600
But when it comes, it's fun.
When it comes to high noon I

886
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,300
think they did it really really
well.

887
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,300
And you know it just kind of
reminds me like we think back to

888
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:19,000
things happening like the
Communist Witch Hunt and we look

889
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,500
at, you know, the art that was
coming out at that time.

890
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,700
And I think sometimes we really
don't.

891
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:28,000
Realize like this was happening
contemporaneously like this was

892
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,800
happening at the same time.
Those hearings were happening on

893
00:48:30,808 --> 00:48:35,300
Capitol Hill and I love seeing a
movie like that, that's like

894
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:38,700
ballsy enough to kind of take a
stand one way or the other, by

895
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,900
the way, this is why John Wayne
hated this movie because John

896
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,200
Wayne was like, passionately in
support of hue.

897
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,200
A canned as the Motion Picture
Association president at the

898
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:53,600
time, he really aligned the mpa
with the media columnists.

899
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,200
And the people in Washington to
kind of triangulate, you know,

900
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,500
we need to find these commies,
we need to get him out of

901
00:48:59,508 --> 00:49:02,300
Hollywood.
And so he read this script and

902
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,500
he was like, hell no.
Like he actually went off and

903
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:10,000
made the movie Rio Bravo with
Howard Hawks as a response to

904
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,500
this movie, because he hated it.
Till his dying day.

905
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,900
He said that high noon is the
most unamerican thing I've ever

906
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,400
seen in my life.
And it's really funny because

907
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,900
like now, you know, in popular
parlance like High Noon is one

908
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,300
of the most Good movies and when
you know whether or not people

909
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,500
are actually thinking about the
political undertones of the

910
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,300
movie, you look at a guy like
will Kane just standing up for

911
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,900
what he believes is, right?
Even though no one else will

912
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,100
stand with him.
And I think people see that and

913
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,900
they're like, what could be more
American than that?

914
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,400
So it's just really funny to see
like, what it was thought of

915
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,700
when it first came out versus
the kind of separate life, it's

916
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,000
taken on since then.
Yeah, I mean, I think that the

917
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,400
beauty of high noon is exactly
what you just said, Bob that in

918
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:59,300
the Face of what they present to
be abject evil and like darkness

919
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:03,000
and Badness.
Like, all it takes is one man to

920
00:50:03,008 --> 00:50:06,400
stand up and do what is right?
And and that's like pretty core

921
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,800
to the American Mythos.
Yeah, right for sure.

922
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,500
That like Good Will triumph over
evil even in the face of an

923
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:18,200
entirely a pathetic town of
people who won't get up off

924
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,600
their butts and and help this
guy out.

925
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,700
And so, this movie does stick
around For good reason.

926
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,000
And I think as I get into like
thinking about final scores for

927
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,700
this movie, it's funny because
we started this this episode by

928
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,200
talking about how much we love
this movie.

929
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,100
And then I honestly, I feel like
we just kind of like pooped on

930
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,100
the movie throughout but like
I'm coming to a point where I'm

931
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:45,400
like yeah there's a lot of
problems in this movie and

932
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,500
things that I don't care for but
it's still just a great story.

933
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,600
Yeah and I just really really
love what they do.

934
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,100
Did here Bob.
I'm going to give it a 9 out of

935
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,600
10.
Yeah but I'm kind of in a

936
00:50:57,607 --> 00:51:01,400
similar place with you because
when the American Film Institute

937
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,000
first put out their 100 greatest
movies list back in 97.

938
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,300
I think this movie was number 27
and I don't know where it was

939
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:11,500
the second time.
They released the list but this

940
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:14,400
is one of the most, highly
regarded American movies ever

941
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,600
and it's in a really similar
place in my mind with To Kill a

942
00:51:17,607 --> 00:51:21,200
Mockingbird, which we did way
back in season 1 and we watch

943
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
that movie through and I was
like, man, it's a It's an

944
00:51:24,008 --> 00:51:27,600
undeniably great movie, but
there's just something about it

945
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,800
that it has obvious flaws.
And yet like I recognize the

946
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,500
importance I have.
Absolutely no problem with this

947
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,700
movie being rated in the top,
you know, 30, American movies

948
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:42,400
and I think that we have, we've
barely talked about the

949
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,500
director, Fred zinnemann.
This is a true feat of directing

950
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,300
and of editing.
This movie is just so tightly

951
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:54,000
constructed, but I think I
respect it more on like a Making

952
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,500
level then I do it as like a
movie that connects with me

953
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:02,600
emotionally, the characters are
so stoic and the ones who aren't

954
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,300
stoic really kind of come across
as like 1950s TV actors.

955
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,600
There's not a lot of kind of
naturalistic performances going

956
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,000
on in this movie at all.
And I think because of that, I

957
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,900
just didn't connect with it as
much as I thought I would.

958
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:21,100
I still respect the message.
Like I love what this movie is

959
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:22,700
saying.
I think it says it really really

960
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,200
well.
But it's a movie that I respect

961
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,500
and appreciate more than a movie
that really hits me emotionally.

962
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,300
So I'm going to give it a 9 and
a half out of ten and that puts

963
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:36,600
our average out to a nine point
two five out of ten.

964
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,600
But we want to know what you
think.

965
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:41,100
I'm sure a lot of people have
seen this movie growing up.

966
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,700
What do you think of High Noon?
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967
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:49,200
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968
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,000
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969
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,600
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970
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:59,000
Do that on our website which is
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971
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:02,300
Next week, we are taking a very
different turn into the world of

972
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:04,200
Wes Anderson.
We're going to be doing our very

973
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,500
first Wes Anderson movie.
We're going to be joined by a

974
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:10,200
special guest to look at what I
think might be his best film.

975
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,100
The Royal Tenenbaums.
So join us for that next week

976
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,400
until then I'm Bob book.
I have never seen a Wes Anderson

977
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,200
movie.
No.

978
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,100
Boy, you're jumping like
headfirst buddy like ever like

979
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,700
not not just for the podcasters.
So I don't know.

980
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,000
And your name.
Well, I'm Brad.

981
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,600
Yeah, they're innocent and we'll
see you next time.

982
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,900
I do not have transitions that
bad, bro.

983
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,400
I feel like you pick the
cheesiest possible Segway in

984
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:16,000
every scenario and it's freaking
brilliant man in our bowels man.

985
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,900
I do not have transitions that
bad, bro.

986
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,400
I feel like you pick the
cheesiest possible Segway in

987
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:16,000
every scenario and it's freaking
brilliant man in our bowels man.