Hanksgiving, Vol. 4: Saving Mr. Banks

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Today on the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, it is Hanks giving

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Thanksgiving.
We're looking at the life and

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career of our favorite actor of
all time not named Cruz I.

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Was about to say with the 2013
film Saving Mr. Banks.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
Podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G and things already

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feel off today.
Brad, I don't think I've ever

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said this is.
You haven't.

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How do I feel?
I feel I feel naked.

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I don't know.
I don't like it do.

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You Do you feel ashamed, though
I do.

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I feel like hiding now.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I wasn't going to say
anything, but it was a little

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subpar and especially on such a
special day as Thanksgiving.

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I know, man.
I.

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I think our audience deserves
better, Bob.

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Oh, it was so tentative because
I didn't know if I should.

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It felt it felt forbidden, you
know.

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Well, folks, after that shaky
start, welcome to Hanksgiving.

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Thanksgiving, baby.
The most beautiful day of the

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year is this Hanksgiving 4 or
Hanksgiving 5?

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Brad Bob, this is Hanksgiving
#4.

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Wow, I for some reason I feel
like Hanksgiving was a recent

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invention, but I think we did it
in our second year of the

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podcast.
We we started Hanksgiving back

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when the pilgrims did.
Yes.

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It's not, this is not recent at
all, man.

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I really like this bonus episode
that we do every year on

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Thanksgiving, watching one film
from the career of Tom Hanks,

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because it gives us a little bit
of an opportunity A to talk

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about, you know, America's dad,
Tom Hanks, but also to look at

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some films that may not make our
regular list of 32 movies.

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You know, we're trying to knock
out some stone cold classics of

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cinema and like, you know, Big
is a great movie, but like, is

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it a Top 100?
Probably not The Terminal, a

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movie that I like.
But you know, let's be honest

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here, folks like this is not on
the sight and sound list.

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And so today we're looking at
perhaps like the perfect Tom

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Hanks movie to look at on Hanks
Giving, and it is 2013's Saving

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Mr. Banks.
Bob, this movie wrecked my soul,

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man.
I was not expecting what I got.

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I'll tell you what.
So I will say this, first of

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all, for saving Mr. Banks, it is
very effective at what it tries

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to do.
It is manipulative.

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And I I I don't like that about
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But Dang it, it works.
I went to see this movie at a

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midnight premiere, Brad, you
know, as as you do when you line

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up for midnight premieres
because my wife's favorite movie

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of all time is Mary Poppins.
And so we knew this movie was

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coming out and we were, you
know, engaged and childless at

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the time.
And so we had plenty of free

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time and energy to stay up late,
and we went to see this movie

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The very first opportunity we
could Thursday night at

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midnight.
And it's a good movie, Brad.

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I don't know if I would nowadays
go see it at midnight, but like,

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I I feel like my history with
this movie is I saw it at the

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earliest possible convenience
that anyone on Earth could have

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seen it.
So I go back a long way with

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this movie.
You sure do, Bob.

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I for me, I am as far on the
opposite side as you can get.

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I knew.
That Walt Disney was was a

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character in this film.
I had zero idea that this was

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even about Mary Poppins.
Like it.

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What do you think it was about?
I have no idea.

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I like.
I was like doing stuff.

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It was, yeah, you know, you see
the Netflix preview for like 3

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seconds as you're like.
Scrolling through, you know this

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is back before Disney Plus I'm
pretty sure it was on Netflix

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and so you you see like a four
second preview and I saw a woman

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walking with Walt Disney and and
it looked pleasant and I just

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figured it was kind of a a
schmoozy biopic about Walt

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Disney.
No it's not.

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So to your point, this is, this
is what I was going to say when

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I got off on my tangent about
midnight screenings.

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But every time I return to this
movie, and this is probably like

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my, I don't know, my 4th time
seeing it, maybe fifth time

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seeing it, I always remember it
being like a golden hued, you

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know, touchy, feely uplifting
movie that would be perfect for

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Thanksgiving.
And then I watch it and I'm

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like, this is a deeply sad film.
Like, like it ends on a positive

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note.
But even the positive note is

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like, tinged with it gets pretty
dark, man.

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You know, like, and and so I
come out of it wondering, like,

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I I almost feel like we should
evaluate it.

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A, on the Hanks side of things,
like how does this work as a

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Hanks movie?
But B, does this actually work

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as a Thanksgiving movie?
Because like I I thought, oh,

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this would be a great one to
throw on with your family.

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And then after watching it, I'm
like, yeah, I don't know, man,

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like.
I mean, I know that Walt Disney

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was thankful for all the money
that he made off of Mary

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Poppins.
So 100% multiple Times Now.

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Yeah, many times over.
There's also the fact that we

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can all be thankful for Colin
Farrell as just.

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A stellar actor.
I really love Colin Farrell and

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I'm so glad that things have
come back around for him.

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Yeah, he spent so many years
toiling away in in indie films

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and taking smaller roles like
this before, you know, the

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banshees of Ennis.
Sheeran has put him back on the

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top of the mountain and I am.
I'm so glad for him.

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I don't know if I can ever watch
that movie again, but man, I

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really want to watch that movie
so good.

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Even Brendan Gleeson are are
like.

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Probably one of the best duos in
a film I've ever seen.

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Well, if you can tell how much
we like saving Mr. Banks, we're

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already talking about other
movies instead.

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I do have to reiterate, I like
this movie, Brad.

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I think it's a well made film.
I have many complicated thoughts

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on it though.
But before we get into talking

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about that, I think it's time
that we throw over to, Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call.
Brad explains.

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Now because this is a
Hanksgiving episode and not a

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full regular episode, Brad, I
almost want to implement a 30

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second time limit.
But let's just let's just say

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like.
I mean, you already started,

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started us off today.
This should be just a Bob

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explains concisely as possible.
Brad, can you spoil this movie

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and fill our listeners in on the
plot of Saving Mr. Banks?

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I sure can.
Bob Saving Mr. Banks is a film

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about PL.
Travers, a author in the 1960s

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who wrote the wildly popular
Mary Poppins series.

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She has a terrifically,
horrifyingly sad childhood.

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With an alcoholic father and a
overwhelmed mother that sets her

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on the trajectory to writing
Mary Poppins because her

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mother's sister comes and is
essentially Mary Poppins in her

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life.
The latter half of the film is

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about her and Walt Disney's
relationship and how she

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bitterly tries to derail his
project to bring Mary Poppins to

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life.
The end.

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I I mean, did you see anything
else in the movie?

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No, no.
Like some?

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Hidden hidden scenes that I
didn't see.

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All right.
So I'm trying to decide how to

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approach this movie, Brad.
Because again, this is

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Hanksgiving.
We're here to talk about Tom

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Hanks and Turkey.
I mean and.

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You could approach it from the
Tom Hanks, Walt Disney side of

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things and just be bright and
optimistic, sure.

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Or you could approach it from
the Colin Farrell side of things

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and just drink as much alcohol
as you can.

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It really does fit with the
theme of our show, doesn't it?

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It sure does.
All right, so let's start with

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Hanks.
I want to start with Emma

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Thompson because she is clearly
the lead of this movie.

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This might be the first.
I guess it is the first

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supporting Hanks performance
that we've done for Hanks

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Giving.
Right.

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Yeah.
And I, as I said before, I did

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not know that when I picked
this, Yeah, it's interesting.

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I thought that this was a Tom
Hanks movie.

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Yeah, I mean, it is a Tom Hanks
movie.

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I feel like this movie doesn't
really get made if you don't

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have someone like Tom Hanks as
Walt Disney.

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And I think that's a good place
to start, Brad.

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Because aside from the
performance itself, which we can

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talk about, the fact that Disney
makes this movie right, like

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they have complete control of
how the movie gets made and how

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they depict Walt Disney.
There are just tons and tons of

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historical inaccuracies like the
actual the actual trip from PL.

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Travers to California.
Walt Disney went on vacation for

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most of it, so that he didn't
have to deal with her like they

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they truly hated each other.
They never had a good

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relationship.
She never liked the final movie

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of Mary Poppins.
Like, everything's made-up.

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Everything's controlled by the
Disney corporation.

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But there's something about
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I guess the most insidious thing
about it is that Disney is

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leveraging the Tom Hanks
persona.

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Because by casting Tom Hanks as
Walt Disney, you're

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automatically smoothing over any
rough edges that this person

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could have had, right?
Like, whatever actual problems

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he may have, whatever
personality flaws he might have,

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the audience is ultimately
always going to come out on his

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side.
Because he's Tom Hanks, right?

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Like you're always you're always
viewing him as ultimately the

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good guy here.
And as you know at Peel, Travers

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is the one who has to change
because of course, Tom Hanks

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wouldn't have to change.
When it also doesn't help that

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like six years later, he plays,
you know, Mr. Rogers.

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Yes.
And so now if you watch Saving

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Mr. Banks, there's moments where
Walt is talking to like, his

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staff or to to Pamela.
And 100%, I'm like, Oh no, that

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there's Mr. Rogers.
He's not waltz anymore.

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He's just comforting her.
What a nice guy.

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Yeah, this was the beginning of
his tour to play every respected

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figure like it's going to be
like Walter Cronkite next.

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Like, it's got to be somebody
else that's trusted by all of

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America.
He's just going to be commenting

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on Vietnam for like 2 1/2 hours
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Here's the thing, man.
I feel like this movie kind of

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falls into the vein of a kind of
like an Aaron Sorkin Social

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Network type of movie where.
It's not accurate to what

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happened in real life, but it
tells a compelling story and I

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think I'm kind of OK with it
because of that.

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And and it's such an
interesting, like meta

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commentary on itself though.
Like the Disney corporation took

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this woman's book, took the
source material and changed it

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to their liking to make the Mary
Poppins movie and ultimately

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said like, look, we did it like
we made a great movie out of it.

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And then they made a movie about
the making of that movie where

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they completely changed the
source material and they were

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like, doesn't matter, we're
going to make a great movie out

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of it.
It's like, well, I guess you

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know, if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

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Like keep using that formula,
Disney.

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Yeah, well, and there is
absolutely no love lost between

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Disney and I here.
I think Disney is a shisty

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organization that does shisty
things constantly with with

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their IPS, with their
characters, with their movies.

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But I will give them credit,
man.

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I really liked this film.
I did too.

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Like at the end of the day,
here's the thing about this

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movie.
It's like the script for this

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movie is like the the epitome of
a 6 1/2 out of 10 script.

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It's like a 2.5 stars out of
four script and then they just

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stacked the cast with legitimate
Hollywood A listers.

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And then even the most
supporting roles are like

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seasoned veteran.
Paul Giamatti.

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Yeah, right.
That's what I'm saying.

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Like, but even below that, like
the lady that plays Disney's

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secretary, her name's Kathy
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I feel like we've had her in a
movie or two before.

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I mean, she's like a well known
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playing the 12th lead of the
movie, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah.
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And you have, like Paul Giamatti
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character.
There's just so much going on

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here that fits.
To elevate this script beyond

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what it should be.
Well, OK, let's go ahead and do

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this, 'cause I I want to talk
Hanks, I want to talk the movie

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itself, but let's kind of knock
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the movie.
And I guess we've already talked

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about Colin Farrell.
Let's kind of go down the

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supporting cast list here.
Giamatti is really, really great

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in this movie and I just went
and saw a movie with him in it

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the other day called The
Holdovers, which if I can just

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plug a Thanksgiving movie,
folks, go see The Holdovers.

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It is like the perfect old
school.

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Take your family to the movies
on Christmas or Thanksgiving

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movie.
It's so freaking good.

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But seeing him just the other
day in that movie and then

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seeing him here, I'm reminded of
like just how great his range is

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because he's playing the most,
like, optimistic, sincere,

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authentic person ever.
He's like a puppy dog in human

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form in this movie.
And it's it's believable because

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it's Paul Giamatti.
Like you've got an Academy Award

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nominated guy playing the 7th
lead of this movie and he's not

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even a real person.
Like this character is just

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made-up.
And of course they make up the

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character that has the most
compelling back story, right?

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Like the handicapped daughter
and like.

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But Giamatti once again, like
he, takes the source material

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and and absolutely elevates it.
Yeah, he he really does.

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The line that killed me with him
is when Travers is talking about

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how the rain brings life and he
just looks at her and he goes,

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yeah, but the sun does too.
And it's just so.

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Optimistic.
It's It was so optimistic.

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But here's what sells it 95% of
actors would deliver that line

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way too bright and sunny.
And Giamatti does it with a

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sadness that this movie doesn't
deserve, where you can tell that

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he has been through some garbage
in his life.

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And he is still choosing to
believe that the sun brings life

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and and it's all conveyed with
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and this look in his eye.
And I'm like, why did they pay

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Giamatti like, you know,
probably like 5 million, four

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million to to be this?
To deliver that line perfectly.

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That's why I do love the moment,
like towards the end where he

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drops her off at the airport and
she says you're the only

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American I've ever liked and he
goes up.

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Well, can I ask why she goes?
No.

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Of course.
And they cut back.

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And he's like, all right, cool.
It's just a great reaction.

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I'll take what I can get.
You've got BJ Novak and Jason

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Schwartzman as the Sherman
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documentary on Disney Plus about
the Sherman Brothers and all the

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songs they wrote for all the
Disney movies.

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I I really love them in this
movie.

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I feel like they definitely make
them more simplistic as people

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than they need to be, but they
serve the purpose of the film.

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You know, BJ Novak is the guy
who doesn't like Travers, and

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then you've got Jason
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more sympathetic.
And again, for having these big

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name actors playing these tiny,
tiny roles, I think Schwartzman

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is responsible for my favorite
scene in the whole movie, which

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is when he does Feed the birds
and he just plays it for Tom

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Hanks.
And Hanks gets that great line,

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because Feed the Birds is
famously Walt Disney's favorite

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song that was ever written by
the Shermans, and he's playing

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it for Disney for the first
time.

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And he he finishes it and it's a
real tearjerker.

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And Hanks just goes, Yep,
that'll work.

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And then they move on to the
next thing.

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And I just.
I love that scene so much, man.

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I personally love the scene when
BJ Novak is walking around with

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his cane.
You mean every, every scene?

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With DJ, the first time when
Travers sees him and she goes,

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what's wrong with him?
The I think it's the secretary

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goes, oh, he was shot in the
leg.

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And she she basically goes like,
why do you go and do a thing

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like that?
You have to make her the most

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British, British person, right?
Oh, just the worst.

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Like I think I texted you like.
20 minutes into the movie was

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like, well, I understand why I
had the take I did on on Mary

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Poppins when we reviewed that.
OK, just a few more supporting

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characters.
I don't even know that we really

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need to talk about them in
depth, but like, you've got

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Bradley Whitford alongside the
Sherman brothers kind of helping

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to coax Travers into accepting
this whole movie.

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I think Bradley Whitford is one
of those guys that you're always

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like, Oh yeah, he was in this
too, Yep.

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And he's great in everything.
Yeah, Yep.

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I really like the the Mary
Poppins stand in.

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What's her name?
Rachel Griffiths.

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I think she was on 6 Feet under.
I like the mom, you know, for

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that Colin Farrell's wife in the
movie.

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I just, it's crazy how many
people they got to be in this

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movie, Brad, because as I think
about the type of movie this is,

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this is the type of movie that
nowadays Disney would make this

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movie and release it exclusively
on Disney.

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Plus, it would not get a
theatrical run.

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They would not be making a big
Oscar push push for it for

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anybody except maybe Hanks.
And the fact that this movie

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comes out and makes I I think a
couple $100 million at the box

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office just ten years ago, it
really is an example of how much

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the industry has changed really,
really rapidly.

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Yeah, the This movie definitely
feels like a relic of the

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majority of film history that no
longer exists and we should just

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burn it all down.
Bob.

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I love it, man.
I'm thankful.

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This is what I love on
Thanksgiving talking about

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burning down the establishment.
Yeah.

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All right, man.
What do you see?

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We take a break here.
We'll come back after the break

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and we'll talk a little bit
about Tom Hanks and our overall

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thoughts on this movie.
What do you say?

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Let's get to it.
All right, we're back talking

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about saving Mr. Banks.
Brad, we're not drinking a

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whiskey today, at least not for
review.

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But I do have one poured out
here and our our operative thing

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today was pour yourself a
whiskey for this recording that

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you are thankful for.
What's your whiskey today, man?

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Bob, I have poured out in front
of me amroot fusion because by

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golly, this is the best thing I
think I've drank all year.

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Especially in terms of being
surprised, like like when I

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looked up amroot fusion, I was
like, oh, Indian whiskey.

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I didn't know they made Indian
whiskey.

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And I drank it and I said I
didn't know India made whiskey

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better than almost every other
country in the world.

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Surprise, surprise.
Yeah, man, in front of me is an

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old standby.
And it's funny because, you

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know, we talk about certain
whiskeys all the time on this

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podcast that that really stuck
in our brains.

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But that doesn't mean I drink
them all the time.

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And about, oh, I'd say 3 weeks
ago I was.

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I was feeling like a single
malt.

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I didn't really know what to
pull down off my shelf.

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And I was like, you know what I
haven't had in a long time?

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Glenmorangie Quinta Ruben, 14.
Dude, dude, let's freaking go.

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And I tried it.
I tried it again.

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And I was like, Oh my gosh, like
I have hyped this to death for

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seven seasons of this podcast
and it still delivers every

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single time I drink it for a $50
whiskey like you, just you will

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never get a better $50 whiskey
than this.

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Brad.
Yeah, no dude, I I had it again.

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I think I finally bought myself
a bottle.

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Just I was like, you know what,
I'm buying a bottle and I drink

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it again and I was like, I might
have come down a point or two

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from my first appraisal, but by
golly, man, for $50.00, I think

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it might be like around 55
nowadays in Ohio.

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You it is so so good.
Well, we are thankful for Amrut

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Fusion and Glenmore and G Quinta
Ruben and Tom Hanks I.

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Give a I give an honorable
mention in the whiskey category.

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Please do.
I was having a steak the other

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week and I drank Lagavulin 16
with it.

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You are a big Lagavulin guy.
You really love that stuff, man

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it.
Is incredible and I and I have

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to say for anybody out there who
cannot approach the peated

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scotches, drink them with a
steak.

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There is something about the
savouriness of the meat that I

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thought that that log of 1/16
was like rich and and caramel Y

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and almost like cheesecake
richness and sweetness.

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It was truly incredible.
And I think I'm after, you know,

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like 4 years of drinking
whiskey.

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Seriously, I think I'm going to
start being more specific about

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drinking whiskey with foods as
opposed to on an empty stomach.

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As opposed to on an empty
stomach at 8:00 AM recording

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with my best friend.
That's right.

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You know, I know you how much
you like Lagavulin because, like

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you, unprompted sent me a text
about it.

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It is so hard to pin you down
via text.

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I'll be like, texting you about
important things of scheduling.

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No response.
And then out of nowhere, I just

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get Lagavulin 16 is so rich and
creamy when you drink it with a

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nice medium steak.
And it was.

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It was like a response to you
saying like.

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Brad, I'm in the hospital, My
wife is in a different hospital.

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My children, I don't even know
where they are.

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And I'm like, dude, lagable in
16.

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Incredible.
All right, let's get back into

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talking about this Hanks giving
movie and it's time to talk

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about the man himself.
I think this is a really good

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performance.
I also think this is, I would

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like pinpoint this as the
performance where Hanks, oh I'm

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going to tread lightly here,
where Hanks stops trying to be

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the best possible actor and
starts trying to use the Tom

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Hanks aura in every movie he
makes.

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And I feel like every movie
since this has been like it's

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not Tom Hanks as Mr. Rogers,
it's Tom Hanks as Tom Hanks as

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Mr. Rogers.
Like he can't shed the Tom Hanks

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Ness of it all.
And like, is this a great

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imitation of Walt Disney?
Nope.

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And he knows that.
And that's the thing when you

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get that scene when he's sitting
down with Travers at the end of

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the movie and talking about when
I was 8 years old, my old man

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beat me with a belt and it's
like, oh, this is horrible.

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It's also like, very clearly his
Oscar moment, like this is going

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to be his Oscar highlight.
And it works.

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It's not a good impersonation.
It's a good performance.

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And Tom Hanks knows I can just
be Tom Hanks.

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And that is enough to at least
get me in the Oscar conversation

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every year.
Yeah, it it is.

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And he's put in the work to
become that beloved.

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So I'll give him credit where
it's due.

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I think the interesting thing
for me is I don't think I've

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really ever seen many videos of
Walt Disney.

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So I I don't have like a great
reference point on whether or

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not this is a good
impersonation.

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You know, like when you look at
at biopics, you know, a lot of

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people would point to like Jamie
Foxx as, Ray Charles as like.

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One of the best imitations of a
person and I I just can't

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honestly say if I know if this
is a good one or not.

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I've seen enough pictures of
Walt Disney to know that they, I

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think they did a really stellar
job with his makeup.

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Agreed to to bring his eyes in a
little bit smaller to make his

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nose look more like waltz.
His his mouth felt smaller than

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it normally is.
I noticed it in the scene where

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they're walking through
Disneyland because it's not even

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the focus of the shot, but like
on the side of his head.

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They had added like some age
spots to look like the way

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Walt's skin looked.
It was real, like really subtle

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00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,400
stuff in the makeup.
I'm with you, man.

447
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,000
They did a great job making him
up.

448
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
So that that was the one thing
for me where I was like, oh, he,

449
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,520
I think he looks like Walt
Disney.

450
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,480
But I am with you in that a lot
of the little mannerisms and and

451
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600
the nuances of his voice and the
tone that he uses, I was like,

452
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,920
Oh yeah, it's, it's Tom Hanks
doing his like warm and fuzzy.

453
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,320
You know, I I'm the king of the
world.

454
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,120
Like I I want to want to bring
people into this nice place

455
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,280
called Disneyland.
And it was good.

456
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,560
It was charming.
It was.

457
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,200
It was warm and fuzzy.
I mean, I think that he also

458
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,480
clearly, like he knows his
limitations enough to as an

459
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,880
actor that like he's never going
to be Meryl Streep in Sophie's

460
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Choice.
Like, he's never going to be the

461
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,840
most believably like Polish
person.

462
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,960
Do you know what I mean?
Where is, like, you can watch

463
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Meryl Streep in that movie and
be like, I'm not watching an

464
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,640
actress, I'm watching a real
person.

465
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,640
She's so good.
Yeah, but he's like.

466
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,880
Compare it for me then to the
terminal.

467
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,160
OK, well, he's not playing a
specific person, but yeah, well,

468
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320
and I I was going to compare it
to the Mr. Rogers performance

469
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,400
because I think they're like the
same.

470
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,160
I think he took the same mindset
of like it's it's meant to evoke

471
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,720
Mr. Rogers, it's meant to evoke
Walt Disney.

472
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,040
It's not meant to be an
impersonation, and I appreciate

473
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,360
that so much more than if he had
tried to like get every

474
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,440
mannerism down and be like
Daniel Day Lewis, like doing

475
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800
Lincoln, you know what I mean?
Like there's a slightly

476
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,480
Midwestern sounding wilt to his
voice and so there's like some

477
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,760
cadence things and some
inflection things.

478
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,160
But overall, it's just Tom Hanks
with a little bit of an an

479
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,760
accent.
And I'm cool with that.

480
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,040
And I think that that's like,
that's where he's at as an actor

481
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,680
now.
He's like, I'm not going to

482
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,080
disappear into a role.
I'm going to be Tom Hanks with a

483
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720
tinge of this guy.
And I honestly think that's

484
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,600
probably the best choice.
Well, and opposite of him you

485
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,880
have Emma Thompson, and we
haven't talked about her at all.

486
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,600
I think that she does an
incredible job with the script

487
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,920
that she's been given.
Oh, she's excellent in this

488
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480
movie, man.
Like, she and and what I noticed

489
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,280
about her too is like the
moments where her performance

490
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,240
really shines is in between all
the lines of the script.

491
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Like that scene where she's just
listening to Tom Hanks talk

492
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,760
about his childhood.
And, you know, he finally kind

493
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,200
of turns the tables and says, I
know that you took your dad's

494
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,600
name.
You know, I know that this isn't

495
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080
that Mary Poppins didn't come to
Save the Children.

496
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,600
She came to save the father and
it's your father and like

497
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,920
watching her start to tear up
and and feel upset at being

498
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,160
found out but feeling ashamed
and feel like all these emotions

499
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,080
crawling across her face.
She is just so, so good in this

500
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,160
movie.
In those areas where the script

501
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,280
is kind of bare bones, she fills
in the blanks really well.

502
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,240
Where where the script gets out
of the way.

503
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,720
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, and I I think that that's

504
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,880
what I appreciated most about
the acting in this movie was the

505
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,440
fact.
That I think that Hanks and

506
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Thompson have great chemistry
and I think that they elevate

507
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,280
this movie beyond what anyone
else could have done.

508
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,600
And it's because as much as you
know, you talked to the start

509
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,000
about how in real life Disney
absolutely just despised

510
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Travers, you get just enough of
that conflict that by the end of

511
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,480
the film you are still not
convinced that.

512
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,200
Disney likes Travers at all.
I like you.

513
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,480
You definitely get the vibe that
he is not on team team Pamela by

514
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,400
the end of it, and that he has
been putting on this persona as

515
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,360
a businessman throughout.
And I think that that is a a

516
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,280
little teeny, tiny bit of honest
self reflection from Disney on

517
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,400
their founder.
I would have really liked to see

518
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,840
the version of this movie that
is more of like the Social

519
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,120
Network version where, yeah,
Disney just ends up being the

520
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,120
villain and not like a straight
villain but like a more

521
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,480
complicated figure, You know, in
real life.

522
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800
She was so stubborn about it
that like, even at the premiere

523
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,440
of the movie, she walked up to
him afterwards and said, like,

524
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800
you have to cut the Penguin
scene, you have to cut this.

525
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,680
And he just looked at her and
said Missus Travers, the ship

526
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,120
has sailed and walked away.
And I'm like, that would be

527
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,760
really cool because that would
make the emotional punch of like

528
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880
she has turned over her baby to
this man and he just did what he

529
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,640
wanted with it.
Like, I want to see that movie.

530
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Yeah.
Now the movie we got is really

531
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400
good and warm and fuzzy and
hopeful.

532
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,880
But like, I kind of want to
watch the more realistic

533
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
version.
I I just want to see your

534
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,480
version where there's a after
credits scene of Walt Disney

535
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,600
sitting in in front of like a
giant like desk and he's just

536
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,400
like lining up all of his
royalty checks.

537
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480
Like you're, you know, whatever
the the theaters pay him to the

538
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960
movie in it, just lining up
check after check after check on

539
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,200
this giant desk and he's just
laughing as the flames rise

540
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,520
around him.
Yes.

541
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,120
So Tom Hanks not nominated for
this movie.

542
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,400
And this was a big shock at the
time because he made two movies

543
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,640
this year, saving Mr. Banks and
Captain Phillips, which is also

544
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,840
a great movie.
And word around town in

545
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Hollywood was that he was
campaigning hard to get

546
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320
nominations in both lead
performance and supporting

547
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,560
performance categories.
And now this has happened on a

548
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,200
number of occasions.
Kate Winslet did it back in

549
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,120
2008.
I think at least at the Golden

550
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Globes, she won both awards and
they were like, Oh my gosh,

551
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,840
she's going to do it.
The Academy Awards does not like

552
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
doing that.
I think the last time, the most

553
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240
recent time that happened I
think was Scar Jo.

554
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
She she was nominated for
Marriage Story and JoJo Rabbit

555
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,680
in the same year in different
categories.

556
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
And then Tom Hanks doesn't get
nominated for either category,

557
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,120
which is freaking crazy because
they think these are two of his

558
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,680
best performances of this
century for sure.

559
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Like it's Have you seen Captain
Phillips?

560
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,120
I have not.
Oh dude.

561
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,880
Oh man, you gotta watch that.
Thanksgiving Year 5 Thanksgiving

562
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520
What's what?
What's Thanksgiving without a

563
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,120
little hostage situation?
That's what I'm talking about.

564
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,120
So when you hear the news that
Tom Hanks not nominated, does it

565
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600
surprise you or is it kind of
like, yeah, I can see why he

566
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,480
wasn't nominated?
Like where do you land on this?

567
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,640
I think he just didn't have
quite big enough of a role in

568
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,400
this film to land as even as
supporting actor cause and maybe

569
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,080
this comes back to what you said
earlier.

570
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,400
There are so many great
supporting actors in this movie.

571
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,680
I think Colin Farrell could have
been nominated for a Best

572
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Supporting Actor in this film.
So there there were enough other

573
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,320
performances that were really
solid that I don't know if Hanks

574
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,000
really deserved A nomination
here.

575
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Let's see Supporting Actor 2014
awards.

576
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,680
We had Jared Leto winning for
Dallas Buyers Club.

577
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Obviously Barkhad Abdi from
Captain Phillips.

578
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
So the the guy that plays like
the lead hijacker in that movie,

579
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Bradley Cooper in American
Hustle, Michael Fassbender in 12

580
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Years a Slave, and Jonah Hill
and Wolf of Wall Street.

581
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Now like, I think Hanks probably
could have been in one of those

582
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200
five positions, but like, I
actually don't hate this

583
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,920
category.
This is a pretty good lineup of

584
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,160
supporting roles.
I was going to say Bradley

585
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Cooper in American Hustle is
really solid.

586
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,200
What?
What was the final one you said

587
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Jonah Hill in Wolf of Wall
Street?

588
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Yeah, Jonah Hill was incredible.
Yeah.

589
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,960
So yeah, I mean, this is a tough
line up to crack for him this

590
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
year.
Wolf of Wall Street Thanksgiving

591
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
number six you want to do?
Obviously.

592
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Obviously, I don't think Tom
Hanks would ever come near a

593
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,880
movie like that.
Oh, my gosh, man.

594
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,920
All right, let's wrap, Let's
wrap things up.

595
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,360
I want to get to my Thanksgiving
meal at some point.

596
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Brad, I hope people are
listening to this as they, you

597
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,440
know, trim their Turkey and
everything else.

598
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,400
So, all right, so let's let's
score this movie out as a movie,

599
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Let's score it out as a Tom
Hanks movie and let's score it

600
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,760
out as a Thanksgiving movie.
And let's start with the

601
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Thanksgiving aspect.
Is this a good movie for

602
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Thanksgiving, Brad.
Yes.

603
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920
Spicy take.
So here's the thing about this

604
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,240
film, and I'll kind of get here
with, like, my final score.

605
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,880
I think that what sells me on
this movie is literally nothing

606
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,400
that we talked about so far.
All the things we've talked

607
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,280
about, you know, are solid parts
of the film.

608
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,440
But the messaging of the movie
is what really, like captured my

609
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
attention.
And it's this idea that as we

610
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,640
engage in imagination, as we
engage in storytelling, it can

611
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,920
heal the UN viewed traumas of
our past.

612
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,080
That as we've shoved away the
bad stuff that's happened to us

613
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,080
into the dark corners of our
mind, when we revisit those

614
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,000
experiences through storytelling
and through imagination, there's

615
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,040
a genuine healing effect on our
soul, on our body, on our mind.

616
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,200
And that just completely, I I
thought that they knocked it out

617
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,560
of the park on that forefront of
this story that this idea that

618
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920
as she.
RE crafts the story of Mary

619
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Poppins.
It is re crafting her

620
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440
understanding of herself in
light of the trauma she's been

621
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,720
through.
And I I got to, I got to say

622
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Bob, I'm thankful for that.
I think we need more movies like

623
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
this.
I think the core of this movie

624
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,160
is a good Thanksgiving like
message.

625
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,400
But I also think that if you put
this on for your family, like

626
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,320
after everyone has eaten
stuffing and like, you're going

627
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800
to bump some people out.
It's a terrible movie to watch

628
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
on.
That's, that's what I mean here.

629
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,560
Like, I don't know that my
family would forgive me for

630
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,480
being, you know, for making them
watch this young girl's mom,

631
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Trey, commit suicide in a river
and like, you know, not the warm

632
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,880
fuzzies that you're looking for.
Not quite as a Hanks movie.

633
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,199
How does this fall for you?
I think this is a mid level

634
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,600
Hanks movie.
I'd put it in like upper middle

635
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,440
class if if I was doing it
economically.

636
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,000
What's your like criteria like
as a movie that has Tom Hanks or

637
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,560
like as a Hanks movie?
I would say as a Hanks movie

638
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,400
with with a Hanks performance,
you know, kind of rating high

639
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,800
there, I'm with you there.
Like it's if there's like 4

640
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,639
tiers of Hanks movies, this is
like a solid Tier 2 Hanks movie.

641
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Yes, you're not putting it on
with like Castaway and Saving

642
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,679
Kravit, Ryan, but it's it's a
good Hanks movie.

643
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Yeah, I mean, I I would put it
similar to like the the five

644
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,320
Hitchcock films that we watched
this year.

645
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
You know, they're all B tier
Hitchcock films.

646
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,920
And then you go and watch, you
know, Vertigo and you're like,

647
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,680
oh, oh, this is Hitchcock we're
talking about.

648
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,600
All right.
As we get to final scores, I'm

649
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560
going to compare this movie to
one of our least favorite movies

650
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,240
ever.
Brad.

651
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,840
Oh, that movie is Bohemian
Rhapsody, Because this is how

652
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,840
you do Bohemian Rhapsody the
right way.

653
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,120
Like nothing about this movie
that I know is is like

654
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,720
realistic.
None of this happened in

655
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,440
reality.
But if you're going to

656
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,000
editorialize, make it good.
And this movie really with worse

657
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,680
actors, I feel like could have
been an absolute disaster 'cause

658
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680
it.
It teeters on the edge of being

659
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,280
overly cheesy the whole film and
it teeters on the edge of

660
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,760
feeling like when a late night
comedy show makes a spoof of,

661
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,640
like an Oscar bait movie.
You know every year they're like

662
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,320
they they they do a spoof of
like they were, they were

663
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,920
forbidden lovers and but you
like it's it seems like one of

664
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:04,000
those movies and yet it's so
sincere and so to use your word,

665
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,440
Brad Earnest.
And it's it's acted in such good

666
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,240
faith, like no one's winking at
the camera.

667
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,320
Everyone's taking the material
seriously.

668
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,960
It elevates this movie way
higher than it needs to be.

669
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Like I said, this is a 6.5 like
across the board that is

670
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,080
elevated.
Like when I watch it, I'm like

671
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560
oh this must be like an 8 out of
10 movie, you know what I mean?

672
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,880
And I think I am going to fall
out somewhere in like the 7.5

673
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,920
range on this movie, but it's
like it's in the upper tier of

674
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,000
7.5 movies and like on IMDb it's
got a 7.5.

675
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Everyone on Earth agrees that
this movie is a three star

676
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,640
movie, and I think that makes it
a really good movie.

677
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,760
Yeah, I I think it's one that
anybody should come back to and

678
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,760
revisit.
If you haven't seen it, it is

679
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,440
well worth your watch.
I think I would land at like an

680
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,640
8 1/2 out of 10 here Bob.
Wow, dude, I.

681
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,560
I think it's a 7 1/2 to an 8
movie, but the messaging speaks

682
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,840
so directly to me that I just.
I really enjoyed this film.

683
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Yeah.
I have always considered you a

684
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,240
curmudgeonly old British person,
so like it it does.

685
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,120
The messaging is directly spoken
to you.

686
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,760
Yeah, it fits, man.
I'm just angry that anybody

687
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,880
would think would Dane to speak
to me.

688
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Well, Bradley, as we wrap up
this Thanksgiving, first of all,

689
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,720
I'm thankful for you, man.
Happy Thanksgiving to you.

690
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,120
Dude, thanks.
I appreciate that.

691
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,040
You're thankful for me.
Yeah, that's what I thought.

692
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,640
I knew it set myself up for that
one didn't.

693
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,880
I You sure did.
We are also thankful for you

694
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
film and Whiskey Nation.
We can't thank you guys enough

695
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,680
for riding with us on season 7
starting next week.

696
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,920
Just a reminder, our feed is
going to be taken over by our

697
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,640
friend Zach Johnston as he does
a whiskey tour of America.

698
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,320
I cannot wait to check out those
episodes, Brad.

699
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,160
So we're actually signing off
for a few weeks here.

700
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,800
I I will not talk to you again
purposely until mid-december.

701
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,760
Thank the good Lord.
All right.

702
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,480
So space.
So join us for Zach Johnson next

703
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,360
week.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

704
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,280
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.