GoldenEye / Saints Alley The Nobleman Rye ft. Bilge Ebiri

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In 1995, director Martin
Campbell and * Pierce Brosnan

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gave the world the latest
iteration of the world's sexiest

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spy.
In 2024, we go globetrotting

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with an exotic finished whiskey.
The film is Goldeneye.

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The whiskey is Saints Ally the
nobleman.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad.
G.

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Brad, I cannot withhold my
excitement for this stretch of

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the season I like let let us
remind our listeners of the the

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run that we're on right now.
So in in back-to-back

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consecutive weeks, we did The
Fugitive and True Lies.

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Today we are watching Goldeneye
and then we're we're capping it

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off with let's see, what are the
next couple weeks?

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Independence Day, Men in Black
and Armageddon.

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People could not get enough of
violent movies.

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Well, my question is, is there a
better time to be alive than

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right now watching these movies
in a row, Brad.

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Dude, I am not going to lie,
These have just been a run of

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really incredible action films
and like you know, The Fugitive

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is a drama first, action second.
But man oh man is it tense and

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keeps you on the edge of your
seat.

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True Lies was a wild experience,
Bob, I did not expect when I was

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getting my first time through
that movie.

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And here we are with Goldeneye,
a movie that Bob, I feel really

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uniquely positioned to watch
because I grew up with Casino

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Royale on, right, Daniel Craig.
I didn't like Quantum of Solace,

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but other than that I I really
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I also grew up watching a few of
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and 70s James Bond, and I had
always heard that the the Pierce

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Brosnan ones leaned way more
into the silly.

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At least that's what how my dad
told the story.

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I don't think I was ready for
the bridge that Goldeneye is

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between like Old school Bond and
Daniel Craig Bond, because I

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think it's much more of a middle
ground than I was ever led to

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believe.
It's a middle ground, but to

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continue your bridge metaphor,
it's like a bridge where parts

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of it are wood and parts of it
are steel, and it's like this

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weird amalgamation of both like
it doesn't.

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It has its foot in both sides of
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You know, yeah, yeah.
It's like if you went to like

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Cedar Point, like, you know,
amusement park and you got on a

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ride that was half modern steel
and half old school wood and

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you're like, I don't really know
what's happening here, but I'm

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kind of having a good time, I I
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Brad, as I think about this
season that we're currently in

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and folks if this is your first
time listening, welcome into the

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show.
This season we are focusing on

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the highest grossing films from
the years spanning 1988 to 2019.

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Now this was not the highest
grossing movie of 1995, but it

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was darn close and I think we've
already reviewed it was like

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either Apollo 13 or Toy Story.
It was one of those films.

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It was those two.
Yeah, we've already done those

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ones And so the next one down
the list was Goldeneye, which is

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awesome because it continues our
streak of films in the genre

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that we call Dudes rock.
And dudes definitely rock in

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this stretch of the 90s.
Brad, we have for eight seasons

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tried our hardest to not come
across as film Bros and I think

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we have gone so far the other
direction that we've come out

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not as film Bros but just as
Bros like we are just in the in

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the camp of Michael Bay is
awesome.

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Like, I don't know how we
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we're at now.
And to help us on our journey

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today, Brad, we have brought in
one of our favorite guests.

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It is the renowned film critic
and writer Bilga Ebiri.

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Bilga, how are you today?
I'm good.

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I'm having a a little nostalgia
trip.

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You were just talking about, you
know, what a great time it is to

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be alive right now watching
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And all I could think of was man
was a great time to be alive

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when these movies were coming
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Of course I was in college and
right out of college at the

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time.
So I at the time thought it was,

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you know, these were the worst
years of my life.

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And now I look back on it and I
was like, my God, I would, I

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would probably kill several
people to be able to go back in

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time to to those days.
You know, I was, I was young all

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my, you know, I was hanging out
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We'd go see cliffhanger in the
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You know, stuff like that.
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Man.
There was a stretch of mediocre

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action oriented films in the 90s
that I look back on with so much

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nostalgia now because they seem
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Like where where is today's
Dante's Peak?

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Where is today's Daylight With
Sylvester Stallone and Volcano

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with Tommy Lee Jones?
Like these are, these are just

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cornerstones of the genre.
I used to make so much fun of

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daylight.
I Like Daylight was one of those

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films that I that I, you know, I
preemptively hated before I even

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saw it.
I don't even remember what I

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thought of it when I saw it.
I was just like no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no.
I just bought a Blu-ray of

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Daylight.
It all comes full circle, Belga.

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Yeah.
Oh man, this could easily

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devolve into a commentary on
current cinema and how good we

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had it back in the day.
But I, you know, I don't know if

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we fully want to dive into that,
Bill.

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Gah, I'm curious.
You had your, you know, the pick

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of the winner.
You you saw the season.

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What made you go, man, if I
could talk about any of these 32

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films.
Goldeneye is the one.

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Well, I'd already done a podcast
about True Lie, so that was that

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was out of the question.
Goldeneye to me is is a a great

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movie to talk about so many
things, so many things that are

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that are topics I love to to
talk about.

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I mean among them the James Bond
series which is you know

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something that like I started
watching those movies when I was

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very young and then have
continued to watch them and and

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have obviously gotten to the
point where I'm now writing

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about them and sort of
speculating about where they're

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going.
And also I did multiple multiple

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re watches of the James Bond
Canon quote UN quote for a

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variety of reasons.
I mean I you know, years ago, I

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mean quite aside from the fact
that I'd I'd watched them as

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they were coming out and
occasionally re watch them.

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Some years ago I did a small
list for Vulture of well I did a

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couple of different Bond related
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This was this was you know, like
10 years ago or so, maybe even

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longer.
And I rewatched most of the

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films then and then over the
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So I rewatched them with my son.
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No Time to Die came out, I did a
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and I rewatched them again.
And what was interesting was, I

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mean, I've seen the films and I
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so it wasn't like I had to watch
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It just felt like the world was
changing so much that every two

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or three years I felt like I had
to rewatch these movies to make

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sure that I wasn't, you know, if
I may say so, that I wasn't like

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putting at the very top of my
list some movie that people now

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find, like incredibly
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Or, you know, like you only live
twice at the top, which is an

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amazing movie in certain ways
and a not so amazing movie in

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other ways.
Some of these movies date more

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than the others, but just you
know, I wanted to rewatch them

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for those reasons.
But but also because I still

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love the films, even the even
the bad ones.

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And also my opinion of them
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Like, for many years I I would
have told you if you'd asked me

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what the worst James Bond movie
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Moonraker, like terrible movie,
you know, low point of the

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series, low point of the Roger
Moore era, blah, blah, blah.

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But like, every time I watch
Moonraker, it just gets better

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and better, you know?
And then other and then other

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Bond films that I always kind of
held very high, sort of shrink

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into the distance a little bit,
you know?

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They're not the masterpieces of
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There are other kind of real
gems hidden out throughout.

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So I change the culture changes
and the movies change in certain

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ways too.
So I love revisiting them and

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and Goldeneye is great for those
reasons in part because it is a

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reboot and people don't think of
it as much that in those terms

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because of what came later with
Casino Royale and and a much

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bigger sort of rebooting of the
series with the Daniel Craig

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films.
But Goldeneye was the first time

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they really did that.
Like you don't get Casino Royale

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without Goldeneye and not just
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them both.
And I love Martin Campbell too.

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He's someone I've interviewed
and I love talking about Martin

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Campbell because I do think he
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action movie history.
Also, this period is

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fascinating.
I mean the the post Cold War

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period where sort of the the
classic international villain

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types are are receding into the
background and there's this,

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this is all illusory of course
within six years of the world

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completely changes again and and
resets.

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But but it does, it does affect
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out, especially the pop cultural
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action movies and James Bond
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So anyway the the Goldeneye is a
great prism through which to

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discuss all these things.
It's also just a fun movie, you

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know?
Well, with all that historical

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context, Brad, I think it is
time for us to throw over to you

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with our first segment of the
day, which we call Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call.
Brad explains.

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Brad explains this.
Is a This is a Bond movie?

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How much explaining can I really
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Well, let me let me give the
spiel.

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So Brad explains is the part of
the podcast where Brad breaks

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down the plot of the movie that
he has just seen, often for the

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first time.
And it has been established.

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Brad, this was your first time
seeing Goldeneye.

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Oh yeah.
It sure was.

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Oh, wow.
Yeah, I'm I'm a big fan of when

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Brad watches movies from my
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And so, if for no other reason
than that, Brad, I'm gonna make

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you do this today.
Yeah, no, you can.

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I'll say this though, this is a
very unique position.

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I don't think I could have ever
said this before.

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I vaguely knew the plot of
Goldeneye before I ever watched

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this film, and I'm assuming you
can guess the reason why, Bob.

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Because you played the video
game.

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Because I played the heck out of
the video game as a kid, which

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genuinely like, not.
I've never thought of this until

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this very moment.
That's kind of weird.

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Like, how often do you know a
decent amount about a movie

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before you ever watch it because
you played a video game?

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Like, I've not been able to say
that about a single other of the

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250 plus movies we've watched
for this podcast.

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Brad, as you will remember, I
got big into the Super Nintendo

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when we were in college again.
It had a resurgence in our dorm

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room and I bought a copy of the
Jurassic Park SNES game.

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Bro, what a.
Game Let me tell you, I lasted

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all of 43 seconds in that game
before a velociraptor would eat

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me every single time.
There's like, I don't even know

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what the game is about because I
could never make it past the

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first room full of Raptors.
So it sounds like you at least

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made it far enough in Goldeneye
to glean something about the

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plot.
And you're gonna share that plot

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with us now because you have one
minute on the clock to spoil

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this film and go.
Bond mission goes poorly, but he

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accomplishes it and he loses a
friend.

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Travalian.
See, remember, remember the

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names?
A bunch of years later the same

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bad guys get a space laser to do
AEMP pulse, which seemed like

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really wild at the time.
I love old movies and the bad

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guys, and there's a woman who
can kill people with her iron

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thighs and just crazy stuff
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Bob, that's that's the movie.
OK, first major question after

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that very clear explanation of
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Did this movie account for more
sales of Jane Fonda workouts and

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Suzanne Somers Thigh Master
workouts and Richard Simmons

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videos once people saw the
results of the Iron Thighs?

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Easily.
Have we done a study to to track

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sales of these items?
Yeah, I was no deny.

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No doubt that that that iron
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film.
Oh, my gosh, man.

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OK, so as you said Brad, this
movie is a bridge between older

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Bond and what we would come to
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gritty Jason Bournified Bonds of
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Now I I do think we are slightly
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Moore era.
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two with Timothy Dalton in the
late 1980s when Bond was really

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heavily influenced by Joel
Silver and like the Lethal

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Weapon Ness of cinema, they were
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They were the first R rated Bond
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violent than what we're used to
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And so even this reset in the
early 90s, it returns a little

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bit of the camp elements.
It returns a little bit of that

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sort of Adam West Batman
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And I'm wondering, Brad and
Bilga, you know, looking at it

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now almost 30 years on, do you
feel like this honors the spirit

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of the bonds that came before?
But also, what's it like

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watching this, having just come
out of this like, insanely

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realistic, gritty born era that
we've just come through?

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I'll I'll give my answer first
because Belga needs to have the

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last word here.
Clearly, I would say based on my

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memory of watching the, the
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the old Bond films as a kid, I
actually think that this like

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hit the nail on the head.
I I don't know of many

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franchises that have, you know,
rebooted, which is seems pretty

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often nowadays.
I have.

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I've not seen many that capture
some of the spirit of the

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goofiness from the earlier
films, but genuinely take it

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into a more modern feeling,
darker, more serious direction.

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I I Bob, I actually really
enjoyed this movie.

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It's funny because I because I I
rewatched these films over and

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over again.
I never feel like I'm.

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I'm in the midst of any
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especially now, now that the
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effectively over.
The thing I the thing I remember

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though is, you know, Pierce
Brosnan, Pierce Brosnan seemed

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like the guy who was going to
become Bond in the 80s, you

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know, when he was doing
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And I remember this was a thing
like, I mean I was AI was a kid

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in the 80s and I remember we all
said, oh, he should be James

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Bond.
And and I gather that he was

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going to be James Bond but he
couldn't get out of his

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Remington Steele contract.
And so by the time so and we all

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knew this, we we knew that
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that never was.
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Goldeneye took over with
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I remember at the time we
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like, like, it's too late for
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was was long over, if I remember
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desperation move to bring him in

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at that point, which I gather,
having read a little bit about

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it, sort of was because like,
Timothy Dalton was going to do

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it and then he wasn't going to
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And then they were like, and
then he was like, OK, fine, I'll

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do it.
But then they were like, we need

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you for five movies.
And he was like, get the fuck

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out of here, you know?
So and they finally they finally

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went back to Pierce Bros and
then was like, hey, do you want

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to do this?
And but it helped so much that

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Pierce Brosnan of course to to
us at the time it was like, oh

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he's older.
He's an older bond.

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Which is funny because like
Roger Moore was like 85 years

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old or whatever.
But, but but like Roger Moore

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never.
I mean aside from a couple of

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jokes in like the last couple of
movies about his age, you know

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he was never presented as a
gritty guy.

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He was presented as a kind of, I
mean, he was a cartoonish bond,

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sort of still doing the old Bond
things but acknowledging that he

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was creaky.
Whereas this seemed like a

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warier, tougher, grittier bond
just by virtue of the fact that

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Pierce Brosnan just read older,
at least for people like me who

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were like, you know, in their
early 20s and watching Bond

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movies.
So, So that added that added a

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certain element.
But it was also this fact that,

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you know, yeah they've they'd
always tried to reinvent Bond

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and and you're right with they,
they did that with Timothy

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Dalton.
And I remember it was a

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disaster.
Like nobody really liked those

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movies.
I think they they have sort of a

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retroactive appreciation of them
and and I've come to sort of

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enjoy them as well.
They're interesting.

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They're they feel more like big
spy novels than they do frothy

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Bond movies.
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But there was something about
Timothy Dalton that that didn't

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read write as Bond.
He wasn't sort of.

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He didn't have that, like,
effortlessly suave quality.

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He seemed to be trying a little
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It was a little too intense.
Right?

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And and as a result, I think one
of the reasons why we always

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forget those movies, it's funny
because nobody forgets On Her

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Majesty's Secret Service even
though that was like totally

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abortive and George Lazenby just
did one movie and then they

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brought back Sean Connery.
Like, nobody forgets that one

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because in so many ways, despite
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it does feel like a Bond movie.
Whereas License to Kill and

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Living Daylights, right?
No, sorry.

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Yeah, Living Daylights.
Those those films don't feel

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like Bond movies in certain
ways, which I think probably

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freed up the folks who made
Goldeneye.

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They could still bring a certain
element of that grittiness.

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But then throwback a little bit,
right?

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So it's it was like they jumped
off with the with the Timothy

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Dalton movies, they'd like, like
jumped off a Cliff into a

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completely new thing and
suddenly somebody was no, no,

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no.
We got to build a bridge, right,

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to continue the bridge metaphor.
But it was like there wasn't a

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bridge before.
It was like, here's the Bond

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movie where you know Felix is.
Half eaten by sharks.

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You know it's like really that's
going to happen now And now it

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now it was kind of like, OK, no,
no, no.

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Like let's, let's step back a
little bit there.

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There's there's a sex crazy
thigh killer on the loose.

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Like that's much more that's
much more in the bond.

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That's.
Ours bond.

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Yeah.
Right.

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There would never have been.
Yeah, there would not have been

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a sex crazy thigh killer in in
the the Timothy Dalton movies.

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Although I I will say Goldeneye
is sometimes presented as like

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the first James Bond movie that
didn't you know, that didn't use

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any of the in Fleming novels and
it was like completely original.

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It's not completely original.
The plot is basically

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Thunderball, which is also, by
the way, the plot of Never Say

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Never Again.
And there's also, like Barbara

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Carrera in Barbara Carrera as
Fatima blush in Never Say Never

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Again, which is like the Bond
movie, you know, nobody talks

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about because it was produced by
a different studio.

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She is the original Phamke
Jansen.

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I mean that that she is playing
a very similar part in that

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movie.
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And so it's funny when people
say Goldeneye is like a total

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original.
Like, no, it's not like it just,

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it just regurgitates a lot of
the same things from other Bond

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movies.
It's just, you know, it doesn't

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quite nod to them as overtly as
the way the others did.

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Yeah.
I've always thought that it's

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funny how the Bond eras, if we
can call them that, get

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entangled with the actor that
played Bond so much that like we

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put, obviously we put the
success of the movie on that

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actor's shoulder and that that
makes sense.

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But but also like the
overarching, the kind of

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narrative that they tell, the
arc that they take, the

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trajectory of all of those
movies gets placed on that actor

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as well.
And I've always found it odd

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with the Pierce Brosnan movies,
because it felt like we were

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kind of doing this analysis of
his films in real time.

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Because from the first one in
Goldeneye to the last one he

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does in Die Another Day he did 4
Bonds.

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And the the acceleration into
camp was swift.

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Like by the time you get to Die
another day, it's like, you

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know, the man's just like surf
Hang Gliding on a glacier.

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And like, you know what?
Cool.

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I went and saw it for my 12th
birthday.

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I had a blast.
But like, I always thought that

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we read the trashiness of those
movies back onto Pierce Brosnan

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in a way that was never earned.
Because I'm going to be honest

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with you guys, I I know that I
grew up with him as my Bond as a

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kid.
I still think that aside from

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Connery, Pierce Brosnan might be
the second most successful actor

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at playing Bond.
I think that he he has something

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that's kind of needed in Bond,
which is like all respect to

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Pierce Brosnan, he doesn't have
the broadest range as an actor.

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And I think that, like, there is
something about the sort of not

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woodedness but like aloofness of
Bond that gets called out by

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characters like Em and and even
like Sean Bean's character, who

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is like, constantly critiquing,
hey, James Bond, you drink too

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much and you're sleeping with
women to fill a void in your

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life.
And they cut back to Pierce

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Brosnan.
And it's like dawning on him for

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the first time that he's doing
this.

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And I think Pierce Brosnan is
kind of the perfect actor to put

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in that position because he's
not introspective the way a

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Daniel Craig is.
He At the end of the day, he's

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still going to go back to doing
James Bond things.

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And so I really love, aside from
Connery, I do think Pierce

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Brosnan is just consistently
hitting exactly all of the notes

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that you need a James Bond to
hit.

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Yeah, like you're you're not
going to ask a Benedict

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Cumberbatch to.
Play No no.

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Right, Like he's got too much
going on in his eyes.

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Well, that's that's the other
thing is that in many ways,

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Pierce Brosnan is my favorite
Bond.

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He's not in my favorite Bond
movies.

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I mean, I love Goldeneye.
I love Tomorrow Never Dies.

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I actually think Tomorrow Never
Dies is the best Pierce Brosnan

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Bond movie and one of the best
Bond movies.

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Didn't really get it's due and
it's day.

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But I think people are.
I'm hoping people are

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rediscovering it, you know, also
because of Michelle Yeoh and

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stuff.
But then he does.

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The World is Not Enough which is
And then Die Another Day which

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is which is bad which is which
is terrible And and he I mean so

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he winds up with like he makes 4
movies which doesn't feel like a

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lot. 2 of them are like among
the worst bonds ever.

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But then the other two are
Goldeneye and Tomorrow never

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dies.
But because.

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Because he ends it on Die
Another Day, which which a lot

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of people really hated for a
variety of reasons.

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It's like his legacy is Bond is
kind of tarnished as a result.

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And he didn't have enough of the
like, you know, Roger Moore had

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a few stinkers too.
But he was in so many Bond

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movies that like anybody can
point to like, oh, but this

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one's great and this one's great
and this one's great.

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You know, so So yeah, I mean, I
think you're absolutely right.

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He is He is sort of perfect and
he's he's not.

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I mean, they're all limited
actors to a certain degree.

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I mean Daniel Craig is probably
the best actor to have done Bond

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but Daniel Craig is is a is a
great actor and and he brings

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his his talent and his depth to
Bond, but almost to a fault like

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because because Timothy Dalton
is a great movie star, right?

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I mean he he knows his
limitations.

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He uses his limitations.
You know the thing I always say

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is a great actor uses their,
their skill and their and their

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range.
A great movie star uses their

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00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920
limitations, right.
Arnold Schwarzenegger knows his

445
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,320
limitations and he's a movie
star because he stays within,

446
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,960
you know, within that, within
that, within those parameters.

447
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,440
Whereas you know I think you're
absolutely right with Pierce

448
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,680
Brosnan in in that he's he's
totally, totally right for the

449
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,320
part.
And that little self-awareness

450
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,480
combined with Woodenness is
perfect for Bond is absolutely

451
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,520
perfect for Bond.
Bill Guy I'm.

452
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Almost.
I'm a little ashamed to ask

453
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,640
this.
How many Bond movies are there?

454
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,640
I I just All I know is the
answer is a lot.

455
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,320
But what's the specific to a
lot?

456
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,680
Oh my I.
Don't even.

457
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,360
I don't like.
I got to look up my list to see.

458
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720
OK, good.
I'm glad you're 25 or 20.

459
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,920
Six now, OK And I don't know if
they count that.

460
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,920
Yeah, I was going to say I don't
know if they count the the one

461
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,920
random one that Sean Connery
made apart from the official

462
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,640
ones.
So.

463
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,360
And Christina First.
Christina Royale too, I don't

464
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:45,720
know.
Sean Connery.

465
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,680
Made a Bond film.
That's not a Bond film.

466
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,800
Yes.
So that was.

467
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,480
What?
What Bilga was referring.

468
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Never say never again.
Oh, so hang on, this one does.

469
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,960
I'm looking at the list I did,
which has 26 entries.

470
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,960
But I can't remember if I think
that list does not have no time

471
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,880
to die on it because because you
know it was like a rank list

472
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,320
before the.
I'm just.

473
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,520
I'm scrolling.
Oh, no, it's there.

474
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,360
OK, so it is 26 maybe.
Maybe when people say 27,

475
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,400
they're counting you know the
funny Casino Royale movie that

476
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,240
got made.
Yeah.

477
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Brad I.
Keep forgetting that, you know

478
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,080
when you ask Bill, go like, hey,
what's the number?

479
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,720
And then I'm like, oh, I'll be
helpful and offer what I think

480
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,320
it is.
I forgot that Bilga literally

481
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,480
wrote the list of Bond movies.
Like there's a He's like let.

482
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Me check the list.
That I wrote in a national

483
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,800
publication.
Sorry, there's a reason I.

484
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,400
Asked Bilga.
Not you, Bob.

485
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200
Right.
Thank you.

486
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,880
Yeah.
No, it's funny because it's like

487
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,640
they go through period.
I mean, especially with like the

488
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,880
Pre Brosnan period.
I mean, they go through periods

489
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,720
where they don't do one for a
while and then suddenly,

490
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,240
suddenly they have a new bond
and they're like churning them

491
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,280
out or quote UN quote churning
them out.

492
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,640
And there are periods when
there's one every every couple

493
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
of years.
You know, it's funny.

494
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,280
I mean, No Time to Die was
supposed to come out in 2020 and

495
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,600
then COVID hit and it got
delayed to 2021.

496
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,760
We're now in 2024.
They haven't even cast a new

497
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,400
bond.
It's going to be several years

498
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320
before we get a new one.
So it'll it'll been a long wait,

499
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,160
I was going to say I.
Remember during the early Daniel

500
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,720
Craig years?
It felt like every other year

501
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,680
for a few years there it seemed
like there was a new Daniel

502
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640
Craig Bond film.
They all, other than Quantum of

503
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040
Solace, it seemed like they all
did really well at the box

504
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,160
office.
I'm sure Quantum did fine well

505
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,520
as well.
But yeah, it seems like they

506
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,280
definitely go through those.
Those stages of like let's get

507
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920
out four or five while we have
Daniel Craig in his prime is

508
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,200
what it felt like so.
To continue our bridge metaphor,

509
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720
to push this metaphor even
further, you know, Bill goes

510
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,760
absolutely right, though, in
that it seems like they make

511
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,120
them in these these rapid
bursts, and then there's long

512
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,960
stretches.
And so they kind of seem

513
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
disconnected from time to time
and and from bond to bond.

514
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,400
But there are often actors and
characters who tie together

515
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,400
these many eras, and I think a
good place to start talking

516
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,360
about this cast outside of
Pierce Brosnan is with one of

517
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,200
the smaller roles in the film,
but with one of the most

518
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,920
important, and that's Judi Dench
in her first appearance as M And

519
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,520
man, oh man, does she make a
first impression.

520
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Because I have to say, Brad, you
know, I watched this movie front

521
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280
to back for the first time maybe
two years ago.

522
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,520
I went on a big Bond kick and I
tried to fill in a lot of my

523
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,400
blind spots with the Bond series
and full transparency.

524
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,320
I remember most of the action
set pieces from my watch just a

525
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,520
few years ago.
There is a lot of filler in this

526
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,400
movie that I completely forgot
about.

527
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Yep.
And.

528
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,000
Judi Dench's scene with Bond
sitting in her office and just

529
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,040
needling him is perhaps the best
scripted and best acted scene in

530
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,160
the whole movie.
It is just like a crackerjack

531
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,640
performance, man.
It's so good.

532
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,520
It's incredible.
I I will say so there's the

533
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,000
character of Moneypenny and then
the character of M, which I

534
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,920
remember when I was a kid
thinking was one of the dumbest

535
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,240
decisions like you could make.
It always confused me in this

536
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,600
film.
No joke.

537
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,120
When Moneypenny came on screen I
like obviously she looks nothing

538
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840
like Judi Dench her.
Voice.

539
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Sounds almost exactly like Judi
Dench because she started

540
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,880
talking to Bond and I was like,
hold on a second, I know that

541
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Judi Dench was younger when she
made this movie, but I don't

542
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,920
think she was that much younger
and it genuinely took me aback.

543
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,000
I didn't even noticed.
That I didn't have to go back

544
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,960
and listen, Go back and listen.
I legitimately was like, that's

545
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,960
not Judi Dench, but that's
sounds like Judi Dench.

546
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Long story short, I was a big
fan of Judi Dench when she came

547
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,840
on screen because she can act
circles around just about

548
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,360
everybody in this movie.
Maybe Sean Bean could give her a

549
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,440
run for her money, because I I
think he's really solid here as

550
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
well.
But man, she is the best, yeah.

551
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,240
No, she's she's terrific and and
there's a reason why they kept

552
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,720
her on as Em you know after they
you know Barb Brosnan left and

553
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,560
and they went with Daniel Craig.
It's you mentioned Moneypenny.

554
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,800
I mean, there's this, this
exchange with Moneypenny, which

555
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,320
is such a perfect encapsulation
of, like the bridge that we're

556
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,800
talking about.
I mean, the sort of straddling,

557
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,560
you know, the two sides of Bond,
you know, when she says, you

558
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,000
know, this sort of behavior
could qualify as sexual

559
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,600
harassment, right.
You know, what's the penalty for

560
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,360
that?
Someday you'll have to make good

561
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,920
on your innuendos, you know?
And it's like that's such a

562
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,960
great.
Line right.

563
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120
It could go in so many wrong
directions, right?

564
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,000
I mean, it could become like a
whole thing.

565
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,160
It could just be, you know,
we're just going to on James

566
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,360
Bond.
And it's like, no, you know,

567
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,680
this is Miss Moneypenny, This is
James Bond.

568
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,400
They have a thing.
It's now 1995 and we're going to

569
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,800
acknowledge that, but we're not
going to turn Moneypenny into

570
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,720
like something else.
That's like you audience have

571
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520
come in to to this room to see a
James Bond movie.

572
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,400
We're not going to dawn you, you
know, I was.

573
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360
Just say honestly Bogan that's
that's kind of where I fall with

574
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,920
a lot of this movie where they
do a a pretty good job in this

575
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:44,320
film of using the innuendo to
color in the blanks and and not

576
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,240
like innuendo just in a sexual
way.

577
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,480
Like the innuendo to what James
Bond has been in the past.

578
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Just enough and little jokes
that they give or visual gags or

579
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,920
even in the way he saves the day
a few times feels like an

580
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,800
innuendo on who Bond was.
But then they continue to stamp

581
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,720
like their own unique twist on
the violence and and you know

582
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,640
what?
What the bad guys trying to do

583
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,440
and certain things that it just
real, it stood out to me, yeah.

584
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,880
It's funny the 7-8 years ago,
maybe longer, I did AI, did a

585
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400
piece for Vulture.
Again another list.

586
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,720
But this time I I went through
the Bond movies and all the ones

587
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400
that had a financial crime
associated with them or or

588
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,280
somebody trying like some of the
Bond movies are like crazy man

589
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,160
wants to destroy the world,
whatever.

590
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,160
But, but, but a lot of them are
also you know ex mastermind

591
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,880
wants to you know make a make a
billion dollars or steal a

592
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,480
billion dollars or whatever.
And I actually did a piece where

593
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,240
I fact checked these with.
They never want to make the.

594
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,160
Money.
Honestly, it's always that.

595
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,360
No, no, it's.
James Bond, you know, but I but

596
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
I, I, I fact checked it with a
with a World Bank economist.

597
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,800
My dad, my dad is a retired
World Bank economist and I had

598
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,760
him call one of his friends who
who I got on the phone with.

599
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,679
And we went through the the
various financial schemes of of

600
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,360
these Bond villains and
explained which ones made the

601
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,520
most sense, Which ones would
actually conceivably work, You

602
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,920
know, like Goldfinger's plan,
which is to basically irradiate,

603
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,920
you know, the gold at Fort Knox
so that his gold becomes Gaines

604
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,440
value.
Like, that could work, you know?

605
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,040
But my favorite was when he
explained that what they're

606
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,600
trying to do in Goldeneye, it
would be kind of a disaster

607
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,239
because they're like stealing
all this, all these British

608
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,320
pounds, but they're also
destroying the British economy.

609
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,000
So they're going to lose.
Like all that money is going to

610
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,040
immediately lose value.
But also like, what are you

611
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,920
going to do?
You've just destroyed EU KS

612
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
economy.
You're now going to go around

613
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800
trying to spend British pounds.
Like you'd have to convert that

614
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,920
money.
And actually converting such

615
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080
huge amounts of money is
actually not that easy.

616
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,720
It's not an instant thing that
happens.

617
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,280
Like, you know, believe it or
not, the the world economy is an

618
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,200
incredibly complex thing.
And you know, this whole, like,

619
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,040
we're just going to steal all
this money.

620
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,240
You're not going to steal all
this money.

621
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:32,640
It's just on a computer, and
you're going to wind up having

622
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,280
to, like, turn that into money
somehow that you can actually

623
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,240
use.
That has value anyway.

624
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,840
Goldeneye was among the worst
ones.

625
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,160
Are you trying to?
Tell me that the man who

626
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560
associates himself with a Thigh
Assassin might not be thinking

627
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,040
logically about things I know
well, but.

628
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,240
The Thigh Assassin works.
You know the Thigh Assassins are

629
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:52,960
brilliant.
We.

630
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,400
Have evidence of that?
Come on.

631
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,720
Yes.
Yeah.

632
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Multiple dead.
But yeah but it is but it is

633
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,600
such a such a 1995 Bond kind of
thing.

634
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,400
I mean all all the Brosnan
movies are kind of, I mean

635
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,360
except for Die Another Day which
is you know that that period

636
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,920
when like every movie The
villains were the North Koreans

637
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,040
because that was like the one
country left it.

638
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Like you could sort of depict as
villainous.

639
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,480
But you know it's it's such a
it's such a strange thing like

640
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,880
at this time I remember this is
like we're on the edge.

641
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080
We're on the verge of the tech
bubble, right?

642
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080
It starts within a couple of
years and then, you know,

643
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,720
obviously it all melts away in
2000.

644
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,360
But like people are becoming
more interested in financial

645
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,520
matters and things like that.
Like that kind of stuff is

646
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,080
entering pop culture a little
bit because there's a bit of

647
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,280
that in the next one too.
The World is not Enough where

648
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,720
they have kind of a Rupert
Murdoch type character being

649
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,880
played by Jonathan Pryce.
So you know this is like the

650
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,720
that's the other thing about the
the Brosnan movies is that he

651
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,800
never really had like a great
villain, right.

652
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,960
I mean he, I mean they they had
great actors doing these parts

653
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,320
and they were interesting, but
he never had like kind of the

654
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,240
great.
I mean Connery had Spectre, of

655
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,080
course, and and Goldfinger.
And.

656
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Goldfinger.
Yes.

657
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:19,640
And and then and and Roger Moore
had an assortment of flamboyant

658
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,120
crazies who want, you know, the
the guy in Moonraker, the guy in

659
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,840
Spy who loved me and you know
and Katanga and like that.

660
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,240
You know like or and the man
with the Golden Gun, Justifer

661
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,720
Lee, you know who like acts him
off the screen.

662
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,760
You know.
So like he had great villains,

663
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,440
individual villains.
He never fought Spectre, but

664
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Brosnan didn't really have the
great villains.

665
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,040
And I think that's also
something that he suffers from a

666
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,280
little bit.
His his Bond corpus, if you

667
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,880
will, suffers from not having
particularly great villains or

668
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,720
great sort of Bond villains,
right?

669
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,960
I mean, Tomorrow Never Dies is
the one that kind of comes to

670
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,880
closest really.
I mean, I don't know if this.

671
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,440
Is a good when you said that it
it LinkedIn my brain to you

672
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680
talking about the 90s finance
villains, right?

673
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:11,320
And it made me think of a movie
like Fight Club, where right at

674
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,440
the end of the day we're
destroying all these banking

675
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,280
institutions and it's all about
the money.

676
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,400
But at the end of the day, the
villain of that movie is

677
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,920
himself.
And it feels like maybe in the

678
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,800
90s we were starting as a
country to move away from all of

679
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,640
these other countries are bad
guys, were actually the bad

680
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,000
guys, right?
And I, you know, I think we've

681
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,560
kind of definitely swung that
way in the last 10 to 15 years.

682
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,320
But I wonder if Fight Club was
kind of hitting on the cultural

683
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
moment a little more deeply than
Goldeneye.

684
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Is that crazy?
Yeah.

685
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Well, that's a stretch Brad.
No.

686
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,360
I was going to say though like
to to bill this point.

687
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,320
I actually think that this hits
on 2 characters and let's start

688
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,680
with Sean Bean as the Bond
villain in this movie who was a

689
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,200
who was a double O.
He was double O 6, but he was

690
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,320
secretly A villain the whole
time.

691
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,280
And here's the thing about his
character is that.

692
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,960
I think sometimes.
The the truly great Bond

693
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,040
villains fall into one of two
camps.

694
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Either they are like just fun
evil or they are like

695
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,120
sympathetically evil.
And not that you sympathize with

696
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520
them, but you at least
understand their motivations.

697
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,600
Like, I think about Javier
Bardem in Skyfall.

698
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,040
Like, he is just so freaking
good.

699
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,800
But you understand what drove
him to the point of madness.

700
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040
And it's this, you know, the
idea of Judi Dench as mother and

701
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,360
everything else.
And you kind of have the same

702
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,280
thing here, where a, a, a
genocide of sorts against his

703
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,520
people was committed and he
wants to get back at the British

704
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,240
for what James Bond admittedly
says was quote not our finest

705
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,600
moment, you know, and like.
Very much, very.

706
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,720
Much the truth the British way
of.

707
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:05,360
Saying like.
We But it is a paradox to me

708
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,160
because he is one of the more
sympathetic or understandable

709
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,720
Bond villains, but his character
is just so bland and Sean Bean

710
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,480
is a great scenery chewing
villain in hundreds of movies.

711
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440
And yet, I don't feel like he
really leaves that much of an

712
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,800
impression as an overall.
Like, if you're making a ranking

713
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,800
of Bond villains, I don't know
how high he would fall in the

714
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,840
list.
No, he wouldn't.

715
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,320
He wouldn't fall that high on
the list.

716
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,520
And it is interesting that you
mentioned that because I'm, I'm

717
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,480
going over the Bond villains
that came prior to him and

718
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,480
trying to find someone who maybe
also had that sort of

719
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,080
sympathetic edge.
Because this was a thing in the

720
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,840
90s to concert, you know, the
villain who you sort of

721
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920
understand, right?
The villain who is you know

722
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,600
demonic and must be destroyed
but also like has a legitimate

723
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
gripe.
I mean maybe I'm maybe I'm

724
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120
blanking on some but I don't
think there was a Bond villain

725
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600
like that before.
Afterwards we get a bunch of

726
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,000
them and I think that's that's
interesting too but it is it

727
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,320
does speak to that moment where
you know there is a certain self

728
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,800
reflective quality to to some of
these villains.

729
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,480
You mentioned Fight Club.
You're absolutely right.

730
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,920
There is this process that
starts around now of action

731
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,320
movies and and or pop culture,
pop cultural products where

732
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,280
we're a little more inward
looking that there's a pause

733
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,720
that happens though when
September 11th happens and then

734
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,640
there's this period of, you
know, good versus bad and then

735
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,480
we get the fantasy movies right.
I mean also we we stopped

736
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120
getting actual action movies.
We get Lord of the Rings and we

737
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,080
get Harry Potter and you know,
we get, we get the the Marvel

738
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,120
movies and everything.
But eventually those two sort of

739
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,160
slowly find their way towards
introspection, right.

740
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560
And now we definitely get so
many action movies where it's

741
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,680
like who is the bad guy after
all?

742
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,280
You know, you get, you know, no,
but you get something like Black

743
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Panther where you're like well,
kill Longer has a had a point.

744
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,720
You know, we do get some of
those.

745
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,200
I mean look, you know, I will
always mention Michael Mann,

746
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,320
right?
Michael Mann is very good at

747
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,280
that stuff, right?
I mean, we get less than we can

748
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,360
well before all of these.
And it's like Magua's got a

749
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,680
point, you know, so but yeah,
no, it's it's, it's rare in

750
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
these films, especially not a
thing you expect to see in a

751
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,120
Bond movie.
And Bond movies can be very,

752
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,360
very interesting gauges of, you
know, the cultural temperature

753
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,680
because they have a very good
idea of where the limits are.

754
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520
They're never going to push
against the limits.

755
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,640
But when they do something, when
a Bond movie does something, you

756
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,680
know, oh, this is like
mainstream now.

757
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Like, this is a thing you can
put in a Bond movie, and it's

758
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,200
OK.
So yeah, here's here's a.

759
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,440
Question for you as a As a bond
certified, I was about to make a

760
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,440
pun bondified.
Get it?

761
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Bona fide.
You're a bona fide bond experts.

762
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,640
Bill.
Gah.

763
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,760
This might be a dumb question.
Who are the caretakers of the

764
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Bond IP?
Because like you just said, like

765
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,760
you know, once they decide that
this can make it into a Bond

766
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,000
film, it's must be culturally
relevant enough.

767
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,320
Is it just like the the CE OS of
the studio that owns the IP?

768
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,520
Like who?
Who's been the caretaker over

769
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:34,360
the last 20-30 forty years?
Well, it's EON Productions and

770
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,440
it's, you know, Albert Broccoli,
who was the producer of the Bond

771
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,080
movies.
In fact, Goldeneye, I believe

772
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,960
was his last one.
And then Barbara Broccoli, who I

773
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,400
think is his daughter, and
Michael Wilson, who's her

774
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:53,800
partner in this.
So they've they're sort of, they

775
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
sort of oversee, they're the
ones who make the decisions.

776
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,560
They're the ones who you know
will cast the new next Bond and

777
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:04,000
stuff like that.
And they have a certain amount

778
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,960
of freedom under the studio.
I mean, it was MGMUA and then or

779
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:16,440
was United Artists and then
MGMUA and now it's Sony, right?

780
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,360
It's Sony but also Amazon,
right?

781
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,880
But but like, but it was funny
because when Amazon bought, you

782
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,280
know, like, there was this
assumption, oh, Amazon's Amazon

783
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,000
controls Bond now.
Not really like EON still

784
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200
controls Bond.
Like EON makes the decisions

785
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,520
about Bond.
And yeah, and they've been, you

786
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,080
know, they've made lots of not
good movies and they've made all

787
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,880
sorts of decisions that I maybe
don't agree with all the time.

788
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,200
But they've managed to shepherd
Bond in interesting ways.

789
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,960
I mean, the Daniel Craig era,
you know, I mean, Bond movies

790
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,000
were not like that before,
right?

791
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,600
The Daniel Craig era where it's
like you have through lines

792
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,360
going from movie to movie to
movie and there's this sort of

793
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,320
Arc.
I'm not a big fan of that type

794
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
of stuff, that type of
continuity where it's like, I

795
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,760
don't, I feel like I'm watching
an incomplete movie if I haven't

796
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920
seen the others at the same
time.

797
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,200
They did kill them off.
So now they can do whatever the

798
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,400
hell they want with the next
one, which which I think is kind

799
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,000
of brilliant, actually.
They're like, OK, well, well,

800
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,960
that James Bond is dead and
we're going to start over again,

801
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,480
just completely start.
This guy could be completely

802
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,160
different.
You know it's a multiverse.

803
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Now, yeah.
Exactly.

804
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,160
But, but I love the fact that I
love the fact that there isn't a

805
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,640
lot of cannon.
And in in James Bond movies.

806
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,480
I mean there are elements that
have to be in all of them or

807
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
almost all of them and there are
elements that we expect.

808
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,440
But there isn't a kind of like,
no, no, no.

809
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,000
James Bond can't do this because
he did this in the other movie

810
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,200
like no, stop.
Get out.

811
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,320
Like that's not.
We don't do that in Bond.

812
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,520
First, like, you can call out to
another movie, but it's not

813
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,120
like, yeah, well guys, I think
this.

814
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,720
Is a good place for us to hit
pause.

815
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,800
I'd said a bit ago that we were
going to talk about two

816
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,480
characters and we hit on one of
them.

817
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,760
The other is I guess what we
would call the Bond girl of the

818
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,880
movie who is very 90s in her own
right.

819
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,080
And we'll talk about that when
we come back from break.

820
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,560
But Brad, it is time for us to
try this Saints Alley nobleman.

821
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,280
What do you say we drink some
whiskey, man?

822
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Let's get to it.
All right.

823
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,480
So today.
We are checking out a whiskey

824
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,120
called Saints Alley Colon, The
nobleman.

825
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,640
The nobleman.
This is a whiskey that you

826
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,200
provided to me from a friend
that gave it to you as a sample.

827
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,960
I had never heard of Saints
Alley before and I got to be

828
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,640
honest with you man.
For a guy that is chronically

829
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,760
online and chronically on
whiskey Instagram to have never

830
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,640
heard of a brand is a major
feat.

831
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,840
So Congrats to you and your
friend, so it seems.

832
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,280
Like you've contradicted the Cos
Chronicle Chronically Online

833
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Syndrome I.
Guess so.

834
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,480
I'm not online enough it seems.
Yeah, this.

835
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,440
Is from good friend of show Wes.
He provided quite a bit of

836
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,840
whiskey that we're going to see
on this season of the show.

837
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560
And I think we're starting off
with a good one here, Bob.

838
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,440
Yeah.
So I did a little bit of

839
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,040
background on this company and
it turns out that the head

840
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,880
distiller at a distillery in
Texas called Iron Root Republic,

841
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,120
his name is Jonathan Lacarish.
He paired up with a guy named

842
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,040
Chris Trevino who's a pretty big
like whiskey influencer and

843
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,680
writer.
They got together, they started

844
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,920
talking about whiskeys that they
loved and they kind of hatched

845
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,040
this plan to start a finishing
series.

846
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,320
They took a trip over to Cognac,
France.

847
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,160
They learned about distilling
and blending techniques there,

848
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,440
came back to America and started
Saints Alley, which I'm not sure

849
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,200
if it's 100% under the Iron Root
Republic umbrella, but it is

850
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,040
certainly made in collaboration
with them.

851
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,520
And so today what we're drinking
in this, the nobleman, it is a

852
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,000
combination of MGP Rye and Iron
Root Republic's rye that is then

853
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:59,480
finished in Tokai casks.
Now Tokai which is T OK Aji is a

854
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,160
Hungarian sweet wine.
We have had one other whiskey in

855
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,880
the history of this show that
was finished in Tokai barrels

856
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,360
and we were huge fans of it.
So I'm really, really looking

857
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,320
forward to this one, Brad.
I don't have an age statement on

858
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,000
this, but it does seem like it
is 107 proof.

859
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,760
So you know, it's got some nice
body to it.

860
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,560
It would probably be freaking
great in like a Manhattan or

861
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,920
something.
I I can't wait to dive in, man.

862
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,400
Now you've already tried it.
I'm drinking it Live Today.

863
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,120
Yeah.
And as I got into the nose on

864
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,720
this, it had a lot of the every
single classic note I'm looking

865
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,400
for on a rye.
But but like, deep and

866
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,360
beautiful.
There there was some brown

867
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,680
sugar.
It it kind of smelled like

868
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,880
fresh, fresh bread.
The rye notes were coming

869
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
through.
There's a lot of nice vanilla.

870
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Nothing surprising here.
But all of it was like a really

871
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,960
nice version of something I want
to smell.

872
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,400
Smell on a rye whiskey.
So I give it an 8 1/2 on the

873
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,960
nose.
Yeah, I really.

874
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Like this A lot, man.
The rye grain is really present

875
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,160
here.
It doesn't smell young, but to

876
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,400
your point of like the
breadiness.

877
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,680
I get a lot of rye bread here.
Typically.

878
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Our rise, you know, at least for
you and and I and our our

879
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,800
palates, we'd say that our rise
typically fall either on the

880
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,720
dill side of things or the mint
side of things.

881
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Yeah, I think this tips a little
bit more minty.

882
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,800
I don't get as much sour notes
on this, but it is.

883
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,040
It's underscored with a really
nice layer of vanilla.

884
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,360
There's some dark fruits, almost
like a pruney kind of scent to

885
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,680
this.
I like this a lot.

886
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,360
I think I'm going to give it an
8 1/2 as well.

887
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,720
Brad.
Yeah, and as.

888
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,760
As I got into the palate, Bob,
this is where it really popped

889
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,800
off for me.
It's like a salted butter.

890
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,440
There's the rice spices that
come in.

891
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,280
There's some clove.
The palate for me is where that

892
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,080
nice sweet mint really came into
play.

893
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,560
And the longer I I drink it, the
more sips I took, the more I

894
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,320
really got a really nice rich
caramel cheesecake sort of vibe.

895
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,000
This is a hell of a rye whiskey,
Bob.

896
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,360
It's not the best I've ever had,
but it's a nine out of 10 for me

897
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,080
on the pallet.
I think I'm going.

898
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,960
To go at an 8.5 here Brad,
there's not quite as much

899
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,960
sweetness as I was expecting
from the nose.

900
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,680
It got almost a little bit
tannic to me, which I think may

901
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,760
be the wine influence on this,
but it has like a really nice

902
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,800
dark tannic red wine, almost
earthiness to it.

903
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,960
It just like it.
You get a little bit of like rye

904
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000
and dirt.
It's a very manly rye and I

905
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,760
really really like that, but it
is underscored with these layers

906
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,720
of of dark stone fruit.
I don't know if I would call it

907
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,720
caramel, but there's definitely
like, some brown sugar here.

908
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
It just smells like like stewed
prunes.

909
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,120
I don't really know what else to
to call it here.

910
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,280
It's really, really nice.
I'm going to give it an 8.5,

911
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,840
yeah.
And on the finish for me it it

912
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,080
softens a little bit being at
107 proof.

913
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:55,000
I think this has like a perfect
feeling finish that warms you

914
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,680
but doesn't overpower you.
The oak comes through, there's a

915
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,200
bit of a white pepper vibe and
here's where I start to get into

916
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,000
that fruity territory where when
I when I'm done drinking it and

917
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,920
it's just kind of sat there for
a few minutes.

918
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,800
You're right that there's a lot
of really nice ripe fruit notes

919
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,120
that I'm getting, all a little
bit of like a dark cherry prune

920
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,040
is a good note.
I am a big fan.

921
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,760
Bob 8 1/2 What's your.
Favorite red wine, Brad?

922
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,840
There's a there's a local winery
that has a American heritage

923
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,480
kind of dark dry red wine that I
like, but in general I lean

924
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,520
towards dry Reds.
OK.

925
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,480
Yeah, I.
I think that this finishes like

926
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,840
a dry red mixed with rye.
Like it.

927
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,040
It is exactly as advertised.
The rice, like not rice spice,

928
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,680
but the rye grain is left behind
on the tongue along with some of

929
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,520
that really tannic red wine
character.

930
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,200
It's really beautiful.
I would never have pegged this

931
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,440
at 107 proof.
You know, we don't really like

932
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,880
to use the word smooth often on
this show because bourbon Bros

933
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,320
get, you know, up in arms about
it, but it doesn't finish just

934
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,840
so smooth.
Like there's just enough alcohol

935
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,520
character here that you know
you're drinking a whiskey, but

936
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,600
it does not.
It's not harsh at all, not a

937
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,840
stringent at all, really
well-rounded.

938
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,960
I think this is the kind of
whiskey that's like an 8 1/2

939
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,000
across the board, which is kind
of spectacular.

940
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,600
Usually when something is a
blank across the board, for us

941
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,920
it's like a 7 out of 10 across
the board.

942
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,880
Yeah, if you can do every
category at an 8.5, you've got a

943
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,600
damn good whiskey.
And so far for me, every single

944
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,320
category is an 8.5.
Yeah.

945
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,920
And that's why I.
Gave it a 9 1/2.

946
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,240
On balance, I I think that they
take the flavors.

947
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,840
They don't make the most complex
rye whiskey I've ever had, but

948
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:50,560
every area that they try to
enhance, they do well, and so

949
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,360
that I think this is one of the
best balanced whiskeys we've had

950
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,080
all season.
You know, I don't really.

951
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,600
Know a lot about Iron Root
Republic, but the Texas whiskeys

952
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,120
that we've had, Brad, we've been
really hit or miss on because

953
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,120
there's a very distinct
character to Texas whiskey.

954
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,120
And it doesn't just have, like
that quote, UN quote, craft

955
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,960
whiskey feel, but more than
maybe anywhere else in the

956
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,440
country.
I think that, like, you can

957
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,240
really start getting into
conversations about terroir when

958
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,560
you talk about Texas whiskey.
Like there's just something in

959
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,440
the dirt out there that makes
their whiskey taste different.

960
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,640
And I'm wondering if that
earthiness comes from whatever

961
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,040
amount of Iron Roots rye is in
this blend.

962
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,320
It's really nice, man.
I I think I'm going to be just a

963
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,440
hair beneath you on the balance.
I'm going to give it a nine out

964
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,440
of 10 on balance.
I did not look up any pricing

965
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,120
information on this.
So you're going to have to

966
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,720
surprise me here.
Brad, what does this sell for

967
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,800
generally online?
I found it at a few different

968
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,360
places, right around the $80.00
price point.

969
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:53,160
And honestly?
At $80.00 I think this is

970
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,000
actually a pretty good value.
You know it like for about 95 to

971
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,880
100 you're going to get barrel
seagrass, which I think is

972
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,120
probably the best rye out on the
market right now.

973
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:09,320
And so this is you know 20 ish
dollars cheaper and nearly as

974
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960
good in quality.
So I I'm actually going to give

975
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,080
this an 8 1/2 out of 10.
I think this is a good quality.

976
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,960
I mean especially.
Like when you are finishing in

977
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,000
something as obscure as Tokai
barrels, like I'm just

978
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,880
automatically expecting this to
be near the triple digits.

979
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:29,000
So $80.00 from a small kind of
startup craft distiller, you

980
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,920
know, producer.
I don't think that's bad at all.

981
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,320
Again, $80.00 is more than I
would spend on most whiskeys,

982
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,520
but the like.
The price is justified here, so

983
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,320
I'm going to give it a 7.5,
which brings me to a 42 out of

984
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,840
50.
Brad, what are you coming to?

985
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,720
Two points higher. 44 out of 50,
All right, that takes us.

986
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:51,640
To an 86 out of 100 or a 43 out
of 50.

987
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,800
Far and away our highest ranked
whiskey of the season so far.

988
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Folks, if you're new to the
podcast, it is really hard to

989
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,920
break into the 40 out of 50
Club.

990
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Yep.
And Brad, as soon as you told me

991
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,960
that you were a fan of this, I
knew it had to be really good

992
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,440
because you are a lover of Rise
and I think that you have AI

993
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,160
don't.
I don't know if I would say you

994
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,040
have a more discerning palette
that I do, but you're you are a

995
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,640
little pickier when it comes to
what constitutes a good rye

996
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,720
because you love them so much.
Yeah, yeah, this is definitely.

997
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:27,600
My wheelhouse, I'd say in the
world of whiskey and St.

998
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Sally knocks it out of the park
with this this offering.

999
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,760
Well, we are.
Kind of riding high today with

1000
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,200
our conversation with Bill Gah
and with this whiskey.

1001
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,680
What do you say we get back into
talking about Goldeneye?

1002
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:45,880
Let's get to.
It all right, everybody.

1003
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,080
That was Saints Alley, the
Nobleman.

1004
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,520
Bob, come on.
Good.

1005
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,960
Good stuff, man.
Yeah, I tried to pair these

1006
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,960
things up thematically, and I
know that, like, the story of

1007
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,520
James Bond is that he is the
opposite of a nobleman.

1008
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,080
But he's such, he's such a
dapper gentleman that I feel

1009
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,600
like a whiskey called the
nobleman.

1010
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,440
Just I mean suited.
The occasion.

1011
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,080
How many noblemen?
In history were truly noble.

1012
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Yeah, you know, James.
Bond is more noble than any

1013
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,760
nobleman we know, so there you
go.

1014
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,360
Oh man, Bob, I am really excited
to see where we go with today's

1015
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,480
2 Facts and A Falsehood, because
for the third week in a row you

1016
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,120
have a guest to help you out.
Well, let's get into it.

1017
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,360
Man, this is 2 facts and a
falsehood, Brad.

1018
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,200
Is going to try to stump you
ball 2 all right?

1019
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,120
And what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood, 2 facts

1020
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,360
and a.
Falsehood is the part of the

1021
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,000
show where Brad presents me with
three items about the making of

1022
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,920
this film.
All three are presented as fact.

1023
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,840
One is actually a falsehood, and
it's up to me to determine which

1024
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,600
one that is.
Brad, I am sitting pretty at

1025
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,000
like 4 and two, five and two on
the season now.

1026
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,480
Yeah, you're killing it, man.
I'm.

1027
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Doing pretty well.
So no pressure, Bill.

1028
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,480
Gah.
But here are the rules for two

1029
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,720
facts and a falsehood when I
have a guest at my disposal.

1030
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,120
So you will be my my lifeline,
my phone, a friend.

1031
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,440
If I seek your help and we win,
I only get one win in the win

1032
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,160
column.
But if we lose, I am double

1033
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,040
penalized.
I get 2 losses if we guess

1034
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,840
wrong.
So we don't.

1035
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,200
We don't mess around.
Yeah, man.

1036
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Now I will also say Brad
introduced a new wrinkle just

1037
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,440
last week where I sought the
guest's help and then did not go

1038
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,760
with his answer.
And Brad told me that even if I

1039
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,680
chose not to go with the guests
answer, just seeking his help

1040
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,360
meant that I would get 2 losses
if I guessed wrong.

1041
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,600
So I think what what's happening
here is Brad's starting to get

1042
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,520
desperate and he's just looking
for ways to to punish me.

1043
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,520
Maybe I.
Should make little.

1044
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,480
Visual gestures, if I know the
answer, have.

1045
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
You like tug on your earlobe and
stuff?

1046
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,760
Yeah, I was just say I.
Grew up watching Regis on Who

1047
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,280
Wants to Be a Millionaire?
And if you phoned a friend and

1048
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,880
guessed something different and
it was wrong, you still lost.

1049
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,120
You were out.
I mean that's.

1050
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,880
That's a completely different
game, Brad.

1051
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,240
We can't make comparisons like
this.

1052
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Is basically.
The same game, Bob.

1053
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,720
All right, man, hit.
Me with your two facts and a

1054
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,120
falsehood fact number. 1:00
During the filming of the iconic

1055
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
bungee jump sequence at the
start of the film, Pierce

1056
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Brosnan performed the jump
himself without the aid of a

1057
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,600
stunt double.
This was an unprecedented move

1058
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,600
in Bond film history and added
an extra layer of authenticity

1059
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,360
to the scene.
Fact #2, Sir Roger Moore paid a

1060
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,640
visit to the set to see his son,
Christian Moore, who was working

1061
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,000
as a third assistant director.
He quipped that early test of

1062
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Pierce Rosen hadn't worked out,
so he was brought back.

1063
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,280
Fact #3.
Goldeneye is the nickname of

1064
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,000
James Bond creator and Ian
Fleming's beachfront house in

1065
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,320
Jamaica, where between 1952 and
1964 he wrote the Bond novels

1066
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,360
and short stories.
OK.

1067
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,000
I am pretty sure that #3 is true
because I remember Googling like

1068
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,640
James Bond, Goldeneye and there
was an article that came up and

1069
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,760
it was called like Ian Fleming
and Goldeneye and it was a

1070
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,080
picture of him on the beach, so
that sounds right.

1071
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,960
Nailed it.
I'm immediately.

1072
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,120
Gravitating towards #1 bilga and
I'll tell you why.

1073
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Hey, just so much liability if
my man jumps off of a dam, but

1074
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,520
also at the very end of the
jump.

1075
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,440
Where he like shoots.
His little Batman gun and

1076
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,320
anchors himself to the ground
and then like slowly lowers

1077
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,440
himself in.
It's it's very clearly a green

1078
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,040
screen.
So like maybe Pierce Brosnan did

1079
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,320
the part of the jump where he
was actually jumping from 12

1080
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,480
feet off the ground and they
then they green screened him.

1081
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:01,360
But I just that one sounds
really, really false to me and

1082
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,720
the Roger Moore one by
comparison sounds like something

1083
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,840
that might have actually
happened with Roger Moore.

1084
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,920
I am going to seek your help
just because I like hearing your

1085
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,240
input.
So if if we're going down, we're

1086
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,160
going down together man.
What are your thoughts on this

1087
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,800
I?
Agree with you for for two

1088
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,080
reasons.
One is we don't really see, I

1089
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,000
feel like if Pierce Brosnan had
done that stunt himself, they

1090
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,400
would have, we would have seen a
lot more of him.

1091
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,440
And also, it doesn't sound right
to me that, you know, this was

1092
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,600
the first time a stump like this
had been performed by the actor.

1093
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,120
That just feels like, I'm like,
wait, I mean, there was

1094
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,480
performing stunts all the time.
What does that mean, a stunt

1095
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,920
like this?
And and also I think I agree

1096
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,480
with you about two, that does
sound like something Roger Moore

1097
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,560
would have said.
So I think I agree with you.

1098
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,960
I think.
I think it's #1 now Brad has.

1099
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,240
Three is definitely correct.
We know Three is still correct.

1100
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,560
Yes, Brad has.
Definitely been known to make up

1101
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,600
a very innocuous sounding fact
because it flies so under the

1102
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,280
radar.
So two could be the the, the

1103
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,400
one.
But I'm gonna, I'm going to lock

1104
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,440
in #1 as my answer, Brad,
because we've got the confidence

1105
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:30,200
of me and official Bond ranker
Bilga Abiri behind me here.

1106
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Is that is that Bilga's new
title at all?

1107
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,280
Is it is that it's on the byline
now?

1108
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,040
Yeah, I was going to say it's
his new byline.

1109
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:45,440
Official Bond Breaker Bilga
Abiri Bilga Abiri Official Bond

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Raker Ranker is also correct
about this two facts and a

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falsehood. 6:00 and 2:00 on.
The season, Brad, dude, you are

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running.
Away with it, this is my new.

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Strategy.
It's called Bring a A a plethora

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of experts on in a row to help
build a lead.

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An insurmountable lead, I was.
Getting ready for this one.

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And I was like, man, Bilga, I
feel like is just gonna know

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everything.
Well, well, the thing, the the

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the the thing that I thought
about with #2 and I thought this

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would have been really devious
and you should have done it.

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But but I thought to myself, I
was like, this sounds like a

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true anecdote.
So it doesn't feel made-up.

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But I was like, but it's also
something that could have

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happened on another movie that
he brought in, like it could

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have happened on License to
Kill.

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You know it could have happened
on any of them.

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But it it's like, you know, it
feels like like it has the

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texture of a real anecdote.
But I thought it could have been

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really devious to like have
something that actually did

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happen but but change the movie.
You know the reason I.

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Don't do things like that is
because I would never hear the

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end of it from Bob.
He would whine and complain, for

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we saw an end.
He's not.

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Wrong.
If I were to do.

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Something like that.
No, Brad, you have to be

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original.
Make it fully up yourself.

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All right, guys, let's get back
into talking about the movie

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itself.
And we left off about to talk

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about the Bond girl of this
movie.

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Her name is Natalia.
In the movie, the actress's name

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is Isabella Skorupko, who I do
not know outside of this film.

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I'm not going to lie to you
guys.

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I will say that similarly to
Sean Bean's character, I don't

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feel like we really remember
this Bond girl as a Bond girl.

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And it's partially because she's
she's one of the most helpful

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Bond girls in the history of the
series.

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She is in many ways, Bonds equal
throughout this film.

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And you know, I know they tried
to do this with like Denise

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Richards in in later Pierce
Brosnan movies and in with Halle

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Berry and Die Another Day.
But what's really brilliant

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about this character is because
she is a computer scientist,

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which is clearly something that
Pierce Brosnan knows nothing

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about.
Like this.

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James Bond does not know a
computer at all.

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She really brings a whole series
of skills to the table that come

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in handy in ways that are like
Bond can't take subtle digs at

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her, like she is not the the
butt of a joke in any way and I

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found that incredibly
refreshing.

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But it also you know, I guess it
it it's not a good thing that

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this is the case.
It also feels very out of place

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in a Bond film to have the
female lead be so much James

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Bond's equal, and I'd love to
hear what your guys thoughts are

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on this character.
Well, it feels like she's the

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expert in her field, He's the
expert in his.

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And they need both of those
skill sets to beat the bad guy.

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And you're right, man, that's
not a common trope within the

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realm of James Bond films.
I mean, it was.

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It was.
Much more similar to, like what

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we saw with, you know, a season
or two ago.

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Bradby reviewed Edge of Tomorrow
where like Tom Cruise does his

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thing, which is like mystical
ability to wake up every day.

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And Emily Blunt does her thing,
which is actually be able to

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fight well.
And they are equals throughout

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the movie.
And so they develop a chemistry

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and a romance.
But it's it's its own thing.

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And the way that these two
develop a romance is much more

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akin to that than the the
seduction that James Bond

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typically employs, which which
he does.

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At the start of the film, right.
He has a psychological evaluator

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and he sleeps with her like and
I yeah, I I really like her in

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this film.
I think as per the YUGE, the

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script doesn't do anybody in
this movie a lot of favours, but

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it doesn't do her a ton of
favours other than like setting

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her up as the expert when it
comes to the actual lines that

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she's given and the the arc of
her character that you know,

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it's a little bit flat, but I'm
OK with it because she she

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brings something that you don't
see in other Bond films, I

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think.
I think you're.

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Absolutely right.
One thing I I remember from, you

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know, from my childhood and and
and later as well as every time

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there's a new Bond movie, there
was always some kind of TV

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feature.
I mean, this is back when we had

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TV shows like Entertainment
Weekly and or Entertainment

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Tonight and stuff like that.
But there was always a report

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just like, well, this Bond girl
is different.

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She's not like the other Bond
girls.

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And they did that for every
single one of them.

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And I remember, I remember them,
I remember very vividly the

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reports about how this Bond girl
was not like the other Bond

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girls.
And because they always do try

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to find something, not always,
but like.

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And it's not always.
I mean, the the Bond girls have,

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there's certain things that that
need to happen for someone to be

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a Bond girl, right?
Right.

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There's certain traits that they
have and there's certain things

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we need to see in the movie from
them to qualify them as Bond

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girls.
But within those parameters,

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they're always trying to find
ways to make them unique or

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interesting in some way.
And that I think has actually

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benefited the Bond girls over
the years in that some are

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better than others, you know,
for a variety of reasons.

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And I agree, like Isabelle
Skorbsko's character isn't

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necessarily the most memorable
of Bond Girls, but they all, but

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they are all interesting
characters to a certain extent.

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Like, they do get
dimensionality, a little bit of

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dimensionality.
They get back story.

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They're in a, they're in a
situation, right.

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And and she especially in this
one, is like she's in a

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situation.
She's in this place that's been

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like all her friends have been
massacred.

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She's like trudging through the
snow, you know, like she she she

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gets stuff to do.
And I think that just helps

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build characters so that they do
eventually become, they do feel

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like real characters, which is
not a thing that people think of

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with Bond girls, right.
They they they're supposed to be

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interchangeable and whatnot, but
they're not they're not really

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interchangeable.
I mean some of them are, I

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guess, but especially earlier in
in in the series.

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But after a certain point, you
know, even the Roger Moore ones,

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I mean, you know, the Roger
Moore films, often people see

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those as like the most
problematic Of the bonds, Roger

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Moore had the best Bond girls
because each one had a story,

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right?
I mean, whether it's inspired

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Who Loved Me or For Your Eyes
Only or or Octopussy, like, he

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actually had like the best Bond
girls and the most interesting

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and the most kind of dimensional
Bond Girls.

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And, you know, I think Isabel
Skorpco's character kind of fits

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in that in that mode.
Now one other thing about her

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character, and I think this
relates to the film in general,

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and this is one of the reasons
why it always kind of stands out

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for me among sort of the other
Bond movies, You know, there's

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such AI mean Bond movies are
founded on him going to quote,

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UN quote exotic places, right?
And there there's a lot of eye

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candy in Bond movies, not just,
not not with the women, I mean,

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but like with the kind of, you
know, very escapist settings and

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stuff like that.
What I love about Goldeneye is,

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you know, this is like post
Soviet Union Russia.

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And like the settings, there's
nothing exotic about the

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settings.
And the settings are like, you

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know, giant bureaucracy filled
with papers and files.

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You know Gray Soviet apartment
buildings like the the the

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colour palette is Gray and brown
and black and you know like the

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train sequence is like this
incredible looking like you know

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hammerhead shark of a locomotive
being chased by a tank through

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just like the grimiest looking
settings.

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And then you know or like James
Bond goes to meet somebody and

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it's in like a it's at night and
it's just a a field full of like

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abandoned Soviet statues.
Like that's a like that's a

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unique looking Bond movie for
sure.

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Like there you don't I mean you
get later with the, I mean they

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go to town with the Daniel Craig
movies later but you don't like

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there's so much atmosphere in
this film that's not like the

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atmosphere you expect from a
bomb movie and it's almost a

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joke when they finally go to
Cuba.

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It's just like you know like you
got 5 minutes of beach and all

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right we we get Isabella Scorpco
in the bikini.

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Let's get let's let's check that
off the list you know and it's

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like all right.
And then and then they go and

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it's like they're fighting
against the giant satellite

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dish.
You know, there's nothing, you

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know, colorful or exotic about
it.

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But like, that's that to me is
Goldeneye, right?

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That's that.
That symbolizes Goldeneye.

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The fact that it's all just kind
of really kind of gritty and

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gross and everything's falling
apart and you know, he's being

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chased through like, you know,
it's giant.

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Stacks of paper.
Yeah, it's a much.

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Dingier movie than I think we
remember like it.

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It was sold as this release,
this really sleek new Bond.

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You know we're not in the 80s
anymore people and like to your

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point like everything about it
is just there's a there's a

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layer of coal soot on on
everything that James Brown

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touches in this movie.
All right guys, real quick we

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are running out of time before
we have to get into our our last

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couple segments.
I have a list of notes on the

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the rest of the cast that I just
want to speed run through.

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Brad, I know that you have
something that you want to talk

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about before we get out of here
today.

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So let me just real quick.
Alan Cumming, who has never been

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known to not play an over the
top character, what do we think

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of him?
Because he is a walking cartoon

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in this movie and he gets
absolutely Jack torranced by

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some liquid nitrogen at the end
of this film in a way that it

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seemed very out of place for the
rest of the film.

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Brad, what are your thoughts?
Bob, you know how you.

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Talk about in the like late,
like, I don't know, like 2009 to

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2014.
It's a very specific era where

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almost any like romantic comedy
has a scene where a teenager is

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teaching their parent how to use
like, Twitter or Facebook.

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Yes.
Right.

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Yep, I feel like.
The mid to late 90s through the

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early 2000s, any sort of action
movie had a really crappy

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version of Simon Pegg from the
Mission Impossible movies.

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And Alan?
Cummings.

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Is that in this movie 100%?
Like you, you.

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Know that a movie is from the
late 90s when there's like a

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hacker who's like this really
scrawny, like can't get laid in

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so.
With, like with glasses.

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Slob the the He's either really
fat or really like mousy skinny.

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Everybody's riffing.
On Wayne Knight from Jurassic

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Park.
In this, like in this kind of

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character, yeah.
It's it's wild.

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So that's what I think about
Alan Cummings.

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All right, second, second.
Question Joe Don Baker playing

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the CIA operative.
Are we to understand that he has

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been embedded in Russia, or was
did he just happen to be

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visiting at the same time as
James Bond because he is dressed

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in full Russian garb with the
thickest Texas accent?

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I like.
I do not believe for a moment

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that this man can fool anyone
when speaking Russian.

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And he's like so loudly yelling
across Red Square to James Bond,

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Like, hey, Jimbo, come over here
and help me with this thing.

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Like, I like the worst CIA
operative I've ever seen in a

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movie.
Like, absolutely does not blend

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in whatsoever, and I'm here for
it.

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Honestly, that's when you.
Remember, these movies are made

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by Brits and the CIA.
Agents in these movies are

1327
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,200
always buffoons who who who
never actually blend in or

1328
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,480
anything like that.
Like I think that's actually

1329
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:16,280
like a British in joke that
they, like The Americans are

1330
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,160
actually not very good at what
they do.

1331
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,440
They're basically good for,
like, weaponry and you.

1332
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,480
Know get.
Getting Marines to Cuba at a

1333
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:26,320
moment's notice, which you know,
is a thing they often have to do

1334
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,200
or Puerto Rico or whatever, DEA
agents.

1335
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,720
But but it's like, yeah, the
Americans are not actually good

1336
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,960
at their jobs in these movies
for the most part.

1337
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:35,680
No.
And we all.

1338
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:41,680
Sound like Foghorn Leghorn.
So final note is that I loved

1339
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,960
the era of the mid to late 90s
where even the people with the

1340
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,440
smallest roles would go on to
have big careers.

1341
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,080
You know, like you get Robbie
Coltrane in here for a minute,

1342
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:54,800
who is just hitting, like way
above, like his pay grade in

1343
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,120
this movie.
He's unreal.

1344
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,120
You get Minnie Driver as like
his mistress for four seconds.

1345
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,000
Like, I I couldn't believe it.
I was like, wait a minute,

1346
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,440
that's Minnie Driver.
And I didn't realize like this

1347
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:08,560
is before goodwill hunting.
So she's not famous at all yet.

1348
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,280
And I was thinking like, oh,
she's just doing a cameo here.

1349
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:14,640
No, she just like, this is the
level of role she was getting in

1350
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,120
1995.
She needed five.

1351
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,640
Grand.
Yeah, exactly.

1352
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,640
Yeah.
I mean I think Rodney Coltrane

1353
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,800
did have a profile at this point
cause like nuns on the run was

1354
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,280
he on and like that movie's,
that movie's happened at this

1355
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:27,680
point, right?
I can't remember for sure,

1356
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,520
right?
And I know that he.

1357
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,200
Had done like he he was, he had
done TV like on the BBC, like he

1358
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,800
was known in Britain especially
so like cracker right Was he?

1359
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,120
Crack.
You know, I think so.

1360
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,920
So all right, those are my notes
on on the cast guys.

1361
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,840
Any other notes on the acting in
this movie?

1362
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,440
I think it is pitched perfectly
for what the film is trying to

1363
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:50,080
do, but I'd love to hear your
guys thoughts I would say about.

1364
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,440
Phamka Jansen, who is, you know,
who's great in the movie.

1365
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,760
Earlier when you were talking
about, you know, when you were

1366
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,360
talking about Judi Dench being
like, you know, the best actor

1367
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,800
you know in this movie.
I agree because Judi Dench is

1368
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,680
great.
But Phanka Jansen is a great

1369
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,960
actress.
And and and I will say, I've

1370
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,560
seen her in a number of movies
where I was like, wow, she is

1371
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,040
terrific because this was my
introduction to Phanka Jansen

1372
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,400
and like what an introduction.
Every time I see Phanka Jansen

1373
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,600
in a movie, I'm like, oh, she
can like kill somebody with

1374
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,800
their thighs.
Like that's a terrible thing to

1375
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:31,720
think.
I'm sure.

1376
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,800
It's like it's like a a horrible
thing to say.

1377
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,680
But like, she's so good in this
and so iconic that there is

1378
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,080
always a part like Tangy.
Jensen has done such a variety

1379
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,160
of films, you know, over the
years and it's been very good

1380
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,200
and has a tremendous amount of
range as an actor.

1381
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,280
But she's so good at at Zania on
the top that there is a little

1382
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,120
bit of like Zania on the top
tingle every time I see her.

1383
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,960
You know also the.
Joke that that I think Em makes

1384
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,800
about her last name being on a
top is incredible.

1385
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,720
I think that's another reason
why Isabella Skrupko kind of

1386
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:13,240
struggles a little bit is
because you have Famka just

1387
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,080
going all out and going for
them.

1388
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,680
I mean, she is absolutely wild
and I think that causes her to

1389
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,120
suffer a little bit as a
character because she's just not

1390
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:28,080
quite, as she's not asked to do
that much, right.

1391
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,640
This is a not.
Uncommon problem with some James

1392
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,480
Bond films where there's like,
you know, there's a, there's a a

1393
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:38,200
female villain or you know, kind
of villainy character who sort

1394
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,720
of, you know, draws a lot of the
attention from from the Bond,

1395
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,480
the Bond.
I mean, this happens and never

1396
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,680
say never again where you're
like you remember Barbara

1397
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,240
Carrera and it's like, who was
the IT was it wasn't Kim

1398
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,400
Basinger, was it?
But it's like the the Bond, the

1399
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,360
ostensible Bond girl in that
movie is like you just forget

1400
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,040
about her completely.
All right, Brad, it's time to

1401
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,120
talk about tanks bursting
through walls.

1402
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,720
The the best sequence of this
entire movie, bar none.

1403
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,720
And.
And here's the reason why.

1404
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,240
And not to go back to the MCU
thing we talked about 40 minutes

1405
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:18,480
ago, but like, the MCU makes 25
movies in like an 11 year

1406
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,200
period.
Because we can create massive

1407
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,680
worlds inside a computer now,
and none of it looks or feels

1408
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,080
tactile or real at all.
And you need three or four years

1409
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,280
in between each James Bond movie
because they have to rebuild

1410
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,040
Russian cities after James Bond
drives a freaking tank through

1411
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,240
them in real life.
Like the shot of this car

1412
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,480
whipping around the corner, It's
framed weird.

1413
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,000
And you're like, why is it
framed so weird?

1414
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,160
What's that big wall back there?
And then through that wall comes

1415
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,000
James Bond in a tank.
It is the coolest thing I've

1416
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,320
ever seen.
Brad.

1417
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,960
Yeah.
If there's ever a dude's rule

1418
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,840
moment in a James Bond film,
that's it.

1419
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,720
And I I love it because that's
the type of decisions that

1420
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,440
typify Goldeneye, and they don't
always work.

1421
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,800
But at the end of the day, how
many, you know, action movies

1422
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,720
have you seen a car chase in?
Probably almost every single

1423
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,720
one.
And then how many of those car

1424
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:19,640
chases is the hero in a Jason
Bourne situation where he's in a

1425
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,960
crappy, broken down car going
down alleys trying to escape?

1426
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,000
Not Goldeneye, my friends.
In Goldeneye, Bond is the one

1427
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,720
doing the chasing.
He's not chasing in a car.

1428
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,760
No.
No, he's in a freaking Soviet

1429
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:41,760
tank, and it just made every bit
of my soul so happy to watch.

1430
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,640
And even like we didn't talk a
ton about, I don't know, kind of

1431
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,080
the we talked a little bit about
the visuals of the movie.

1432
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:54,720
But the shot of the the train
after the tank shoots at it, it

1433
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,760
looks like a demon flying out of
hell with like the fire.

1434
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,560
Like it almost looks like eyes
in the fire and it looks real

1435
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,280
because it's real and it it's
incredible.

1436
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,360
And everything about the tank
was perfect in this in this

1437
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,600
movie Bill.
Go Where do you think?

1438
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,920
This would rank, I was going to
say Bill go Where would this

1439
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,720
rank for you in your James Bond
action sequences?

1440
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,800
Because it really is up there
for me, man.

1441
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,880
I mean.
It's a, it's a it's a great

1442
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,480
action sequence.
I mean there are there are a

1443
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:28,000
number of other James Bond
action sequences that I would

1444
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,360
rank above it but but I I I love
to see and every time I watch

1445
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,280
Golden Eye again, I'm like Oh
yeah, yeah, that's right.

1446
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:38,520
The tank and the the way that
like the the the way that like

1447
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,720
the the the women look at him as
he's doing like the you know

1448
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,440
because the cutaways to you know
the people in the train they're

1449
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:48,680
looking at him and it's like
there's just this like delight

1450
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,480
the delight on their faces.
So it starts to achieve this

1451
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:56,280
almost phallic quality like
James Bond chasing like the the

1452
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,760
enormous turret.
It's just it's just and busting

1453
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,720
some walls.
Yeah, it's always.

1454
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,080
Drawn like a North by Northwest?
Yep.

1455
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,760
Yep.
Exactly 100%.

1456
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:07,800
Yeah.
And.

1457
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,680
North by.
Northwest was like an influence

1458
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,520
on the original James Bond, you
know, So it's there's there's

1459
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,320
like it it all, it it's all
connected.

1460
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,080
The other thing I was going to
say was the point you made

1461
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,240
about, you know, the fact that
they shoot these movies, I mean

1462
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,000
it's not always on location,
location, they shoot them in

1463
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,400
locations as opposed to, you
know, a parking lot in Atlanta.

1464
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:38,880
It's it's something that over
the years I've noted about James

1465
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,760
Bond films.
You know, we often talk about

1466
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,560
all the problematic aspects of
the James Bond movies and all

1467
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,200
that which which are, which are
true.

1468
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,360
But there's also another way of
looking at these, which is James

1469
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:57,840
Bond is one of the most popular
international pop culture

1470
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,000
figures in the like people in
other countries love James Bond,

1471
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,280
right?
It's, I mean people.

1472
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,720
Oh, it's you know, he's a he's a
pig headed Western, imperialist,

1473
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,320
blah blah blah blah.
They love James Bond movies in

1474
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,080
other countries and part of it
is because they shoot these

1475
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,280
movies in those places, right?
I mean the the hotel in India

1476
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,800
where they shot part of
Octopussy, like they still show

1477
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,880
Octopussy there like all the
time.

1478
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,720
You know, I know from personal
experience that they still tell

1479
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,640
stories in Istanbul about.
Now there have been multiple

1480
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,200
James Bond movies shot in
Istanbul.

1481
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,520
They still tell stories in
Istanbul about the time that for

1482
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,480
your that that from Russia with
love was shot there, right.

1483
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:44,080
I mean like these were like huge
events because they go there and

1484
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,880
they do their scenes there and
they're there for weeks and

1485
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,440
months and they employ local
talent.

1486
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,760
I mean it's actually a big deal.
I mean, part of it's the nature

1487
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,160
of budgets and the way studio
films are made nowadays.

1488
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,680
But, like, I feel like we've
lost some of that quality, that

1489
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,840
idea of like a production that
goes all over the world and

1490
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,760
actually shoots in one place for
a while and kind of absorbs the

1491
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,600
atmosphere of the place so that
what comes up on screen actually

1492
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,200
actually conveys some of that
and, you know, transports you

1493
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:16,360
like.
That's such an important thing.

1494
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,000
And that's one of the things I
miss, not miss, but that's one

1495
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,040
of the things that's missing
from the Marvel movies.

1496
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,600
Not all of them.
Some of them are very good.

1497
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,520
But there is that sense of,
like, I mean, they're going all

1498
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,400
over the world and I have zero
sense that I'm going to any of

1499
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,240
these places, you know?
And that stinks.

1500
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,280
That really stinks because
that's like one of the charms

1501
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:38,080
of, like, big budget studio
spectacle action movies.

1502
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,320
Like, that's kind of the point,
right?

1503
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:43,880
Yeah, you can't.
You can't fake.

1504
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:48,280
Yeah, you can't fake that.
Like, it comes across in the

1505
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,440
movie.
It's intangible and it it comes

1506
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,680
across even in the acting and
the way they do things, that

1507
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,160
that feels so much more real.
What?

1508
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,800
I think it says.
It says a lot about the tank

1509
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:07,040
chase sequence, Brad, that that
is not even like the keystone

1510
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,840
action sequence of this.
Like it's not the one that they

1511
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,840
were selling us on in the
trailers, right.

1512
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:17,080
Like the big moment where the
the satellite falls on Sean Bean

1513
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,200
at the end is like the biggest,
most extravagant moment of

1514
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,760
action in the movie.
But to us looking at it now,

1515
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,840
almost 30 years later, just the
fact that they drove a tank

1516
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,120
through a real brick wall is
like, wow, a wall Like, I think

1517
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,640
it's such a sad state of affairs
that we can look at something

1518
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:38,320
that tangible, which in 95 was
like the 11th coolest thing that

1519
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,040
happened in this movie.
And now for us, we're like, wow,

1520
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,040
this is, this is a top tier
James Bond action sequence

1521
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,880
because the wall was real, you
know, So what I hear you saying.

1522
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,080
Is Bob build that wall?
That's exactly.

1523
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,200
What I only because.
If only so we can drive A.

1524
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,680
Tank through it.
Yes, yes.

1525
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,920
But, but it.
But it's true though.

1526
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,000
And to their credit, the Bond
films have kind of continued

1527
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,600
that idea.
I mean, they've always been.

1528
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,280
I mean, they've always been a
great showcase for stunts and

1529
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,760
things like that.
I mean, they do spectacular

1530
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,840
things in these movies and they
do them, you know, like, I mean,

1531
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,080
they all the Bond films have had
janky special effects over the

1532
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,440
years, but like they do as.
Much of them.

1533
01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:22,800
As they can, you know, but they
do as much of them as they can.

1534
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,320
I mean, I'm, I'm about to write
something about the Moonraker,

1535
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,080
the parachute fight in
Moonraker.

1536
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,320
And it's like, I mean there's a
lot of janky stuff in there.

1537
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,440
But like they did some of that,
you know, like and it's and it's

1538
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:40,960
really and I mean other movies
have done some of that stuff

1539
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,400
since.
And the ones that do it for

1540
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,840
real, like Mission Impossible or
or or Point Break, it really

1541
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,480
feels, you know, like it's still
it's still endures to this day.

1542
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,200
Mission Impossible isn't that
long ago.

1543
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,200
But, you know, it's like, I mean
what better example do you need

1544
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,760
of this stuff than the fact
that, like this, this stuff that

1545
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,760
people did 40 years ago still
feels so visceral and real.

1546
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,880
And the stuff they did five
years ago with, you know, with

1547
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,840
VFX now there's a lot of really
good VFX out there.

1548
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,960
I shouldn't, you know, I have, I
have friends who are VFX

1549
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,040
artists.
I mean these are really hard

1550
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,600
working people.
But but, you know, but it takes

1551
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,280
just as much effort to get those
things right as it does to get

1552
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,520
like a real properly done stunt,
right?

1553
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,000
That's the thing that people
don't understand.

1554
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,640
It's not a shortcut, right?
I mean VFX is not a shortcut.

1555
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,400
VFX is a way of doing certain
things that you cannot do with

1556
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,840
with real people, right.
You can't make Avatar with like

1557
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,960
the real settings and all that,
but you can't do it.

1558
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,320
You need the VFX to do it,
right.

1559
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,520
Same with some like some of the
Star Wars stuff and stuff like

1560
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,920
that.
But, but, but you know, But if

1561
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:59,280
you're just using VFX because
you don't have the creativity or

1562
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,360
the knowledge to stage an actual
fight sequence, well, you know

1563
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,600
you're in the wrong business
frame, you know, yeah.

1564
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,040
I wasn't saying it's not.
Gonna look good?

1565
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,880
Yeah.
When it comes to VFXI, always

1566
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,280
just come back.
This might be the most film

1567
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,840
snobby thing that I say.
I always just come back to Gone

1568
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:22,200
With the Wind, like when they're
escaping Atlanta and you have

1569
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,360
the shot of that warehouse on
fire and they're riding their

1570
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,320
wagon out of town in front of
it.

1571
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,880
Holy.
Shit like.

1572
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,560
That thing is on fire.
You cannot fear that.

1573
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:41,400
Like the IT just is brilliant
and one of the most beautiful

1574
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:47,200
shots in film history and and it
just feels so real, no?

1575
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,240
You're absolutely right.
And the the film I always point

1576
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,320
to and this is, I mean this film
is I mean since we're talking

1577
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:57,520
about the Soviets here a little
bit, the war and peace.

1578
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,680
The Soviet War and Peace, which
is a film that had an unlimited

1579
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,040
budget.
Like I remember I I I worked in

1580
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:10,200
Russia on a film set in 1997 and
I and I, you know we were it was

1581
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,880
a big historical epic that that
we were working on and I worked

1582
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,880
with a lot of like veteran
Russian crew people and I was

1583
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,520
asking them about like what they
knew about War and Peace.

1584
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,200
They did.
None of them had worked on War

1585
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,440
and Peace.
Some of them had worked on like

1586
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:26,080
Tarkovsky movies and stuff.
But they all like the legends of

1587
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:31,080
War and Peace and obviously
we're still very much with them

1588
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,880
and and the thing I remember one
of them said because I said to

1589
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,920
them what was the budget on that
movie?

1590
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,360
Did they ever kind of finalize
like a budget.

1591
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:44,880
And he said, we Ted what we like
to call open budget, you know,

1592
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,120
and it's like open budget,
There's no budget.

1593
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,120
The whole industry works on it.
We're making this movie now for

1594
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:54,360
the next couple of years.
Who knows what it ultimately

1595
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,960
cost?
There's there was no real

1596
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,920
budget.
It was just whatever, you know,

1597
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,400
because it was like the
Americans had made a very

1598
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,160
successful adaptation of war and
peace.

1599
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,720
King Vider directed War and
Peace, which which was a big hit

1600
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,160
in in the Soviet Union.
And they were like, we cannot

1601
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,640
let the Americans have good last
day on war and peace.

1602
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:18,560
Everybody get in here, we're
making war and peace, you know,

1603
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,120
But where was I going?
Oh, no.

1604
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:26,440
So, so there's AI mean there's a
great scene in that sequence

1605
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:28,440
actually the, you know, the
burning of Moscow.

1606
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,560
And there's a scene where where
one of the one of the lead

1607
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,520
actors, who also happens to be
the director of the film, Sergey

1608
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:41,560
Bunderchuk, and an actress, I
mean basically an extra, they're

1609
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:47,120
they're running through the
burning city looking for some,

1610
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,760
some someone or something.
I can't remember what the exact

1611
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,120
context is, but but they're
running through like these

1612
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,480
burning buildings and running
around them and there's ash

1613
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:57,160
everywhere.
And I'm watching this thing and

1614
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:02,680
going, Oh my God, that's real
fire they're running through.

1615
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,760
And you can see the terror on
the actresses eye in the actress

1616
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,120
because she doesn't have like a
big part.

1617
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,240
This is like a small part.
And it's like, and the person

1618
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,840
pulling her along is the
director of the film.

1619
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,960
And I'm just like, oh, this is
like him basically just grabbing

1620
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,000
her and running through the set
because there's no way she's

1621
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,040
she's going to do it if he's not
there.

1622
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,680
Just like yanking her along.
It's terrifying.

1623
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,640
I mean, not that anybody should
be doing that.

1624
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,400
I'm sure several labor laws
would be, you know, the Soviet

1625
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,280
Union, the great hero of of the
working people.

1626
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:43,320
No labor laws in that country,
you know, but, but, but it was.

1627
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,880
But again, you watched that
scene today and it's like, holy

1628
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,800
crap.
Like I'm there, I'm there.

1629
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,520
It's terrifying.
I'm there.

1630
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:51,560
They did it.
Yeah.

1631
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:52,680
And you.
Only you.

1632
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,080
Only have to watch 7 hours of
film, yes, to fight that and and

1633
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,840
this happens.
In like hour six, you do have to

1634
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,240
watch like, the whole thing to
get to it.

1635
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,000
Well, on that note, guys.
I think it's time for our last

1636
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,800
segment of the day, which we
call Let's make it a double.

1637
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,120
We're near the end.
Of the episode.

1638
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,520
So thanks listening to the film
and whiskey show.

1639
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,080
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1640
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:14,960
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1641
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,280
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double.

1642
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,080
Is the part of the show where we
pick a movie to pair up with

1643
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,320
this one to make the perfect
double feature?

1644
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:23,960
Brad, I'm going to throw over to
you.

1645
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,200
We have not heard from you as
much today.

1646
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,000
Bilga and I are over here
nerding out about James Bond.

1647
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,120
I would like to hear what your
double feature film is for

1648
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,680
Goldeneye.
Honestly, Bob?

1649
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,560
I was.
I was thinking through a bunch

1650
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,680
of options for this.
Part of me wanted to pair it

1651
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,520
with a Mission Impossible film,
because I just think that

1652
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,160
they're just the duality of
those two film franchises.

1653
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,080
Come on.
But I'm not going to choose.

1654
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,640
Come on, Possible.
I want to pair this with true

1655
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,080
lies.
Oh, OK.

1656
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,320
Because.
More and more people need to see

1657
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:56,840
that movie.
I know that True Lies is a

1658
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:01,840
wildly popular movie, but I am
new to it and I want everybody

1659
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,960
to see that movie.
So go watch True Lies.

1660
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,880
I think watching that
back-to-back with this would be

1661
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,680
a wildly entertaining night.
I love that.

1662
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,280
Brad I I kind of want to do 2
movies.

1663
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,760
I I was just say what?
Were you hoping I would say you

1664
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,160
were?
You were very clearly.

1665
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:19,960
Well, this is a great.
I'll do it this way, then.

1666
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,160
I was hoping you were going to
say Austin Powers international

1667
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,720
man of mystery.
I've.

1668
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,440
I've.
Never seen Austin Powers?

1669
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:29,520
Oh my gosh.
Man, OK, that's We need to just

1670
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,280
cancel the rest of the season
and just watch Austin Powers 18

1671
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:33,600
weeks in a row.
My.

1672
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:40,000
Quick one time I remember Austin
Powers being on cable when I was

1673
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,160
on my 8th grade trip to
Washington DC and it was

1674
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,200
whichever one where he was,
Doctor Evil was trying to

1675
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:52,880
destroy Washington DC with his
laser and we just thought it was

1676
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,520
the craziest thing.
Like we're in Washington DC

1677
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,920
right now and a jet that was
wild.

1678
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,680
So that's the only scene I've
seen, I think there.

1679
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,400
Is a a fun think piece to be
written about how the success of

1680
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,360
Austin Powers accelerated the
James Bond, the the Brosnan

1681
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,480
Bonds into camp because they saw
that people liked Funny Bond and

1682
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,280
then they tried to do Funny Bond
and it didn't work.

1683
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:20,240
I'm going to pair this movie up
with a Guy Ritchie film from the

1684
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,480
2000 Tens called The Man From
UNCLE, which I thought was a

1685
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,000
drastically underrated film that
I had a blast watching.

1686
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,360
That is now, you know, perhaps
even more problematic to talk

1687
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:36,520
about than most James Bond
movies due to who's in it, but

1688
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,600
which is AI mean.
You get your Brits, you get your

1689
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,040
Soviets, you get spy stuff.
It's funny, There's a good Hugh

1690
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,800
Grant performance, a leash of
Vikander's in it.

1691
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,560
You could do a hell of a lot
worse than pairing this up with

1692
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,720
the man from UNCLE.
Is that a A?

1693
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,880
Kevin Spacey film No, it's.
Not it is.

1694
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:58,080
It is an Army Hammer film and if
you're if you're not familiar

1695
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,120
with his scandals, go look it up
after the fact because that is

1696
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,520
we're not wasting air time on
that.

1697
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:07,040
But no need to bilga what would
be your double feature with

1698
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,880
Goldeneye?
You know, I thought.

1699
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,640
I thought a lot about pairing it
with another Bond movie.

1700
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,520
Couple of the ones that we
mentioned, I thought, oh, never

1701
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,320
say never again or Thunderball
would be just Thunderball would

1702
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,600
be great because it's also one
of my favorite Bond movies.

1703
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,640
But the movie I'm going to pick
is Mask of Zorro, which is the

1704
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,880
film that Martin Campbell made
after this movie.

1705
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:36,280
Martin Campbell is a guy who
doesn't get enough respect, but

1706
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:40,840
the man made The Golden Eye and
effectively rebooted the James

1707
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,600
Bond movies.
Then he made The Mask of Zorro,

1708
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,280
which the Zorro film had been
something that everybody had

1709
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,080
been trying to make for years
and years and years and nobody

1710
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,080
thought it was going to be any
good like a Zorro movie in this

1711
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,600
day and age were so much more
sophisticated than that.

1712
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,040
And he makes The Mask of Zorro
and it is just an all time

1713
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,720
banger of a movie.
I mean, I I, I rewatch it all

1714
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,680
the time.
It absolutely still holds up,

1715
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,120
perhaps even better than it did
back then.

1716
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,240
I mean it's just it's just so
good.

1717
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:15,560
And then and then he comes back
and he, you know, reinvents Bond

1718
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,600
again.
He directs Casino Royale.

1719
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,720
I mean the man like, you know
like there should be statues of

1720
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,480
Martin Campbell as far as I'm
concerned.

1721
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,680
And I've interviewed him a
couple of times and he's a, he's

1722
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:32,080
a very sweet guy to talk to.
And and, you know, you know,

1723
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,240
he's he's one of those film
makers who's really good with

1724
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,840
action, in part because he
directs clean action.

1725
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,280
You know, he's not, I mean, he
has a real sense of rhythm and a

1726
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,440
real sense of editing, but he
always makes sure that you know

1727
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:49,280
where everything is and what's
happening at any given moment.

1728
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,680
And that's important for Bond.
I mean, there are some films

1729
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,280
where some action films where
you can get away with just the

1730
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:00,000
sheer chaos of everything and
like like Christopher Nolan can

1731
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,760
get away with like many, many
great scenes in The Dark Knight

1732
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,400
where you don't entirely know
what's happening, but but it but

1733
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,720
it kind of works.
But Martin Campbell is like the

1734
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,800
opposite of that.
He's like, OK, this guy is here,

1735
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,680
this guy's here, he's going to
run this way and that guy's

1736
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,680
going to run that way.
And you know, but he does that

1737
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,520
with such fluidity.
I don't know.

1738
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,720
He's a great, great filmmaker.
You know, Mascozzaro was a big

1739
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,360
hit as well.
So, you know, I was going to try

1740
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,360
and find something obscure that
I could pair with, and I'm like,

1741
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,000
wait, these movies are old.
As far as the rest of the world

1742
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,840
is concerned, They are obscure,
you know?

1743
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:37,880
But anyway, Mask of Zorro.
I mean, you can have a really,

1744
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,920
really good night for yourself
watching Goldeneye and the Mask

1745
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,440
of Zorro.
All right, guys, let's give

1746
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:44,960
this.
Movie some final scores.

1747
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,320
I'll go first, Brad, because
I'll take 10 seconds to do it.

1748
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,520
This is like a really solid 7
out of 10.

1749
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,200
Like, I thought about a 7 1/2,
but there's there's just enough

1750
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:59,400
preposterousness to it that I'm
like, it's an enjoyable 7 and

1751
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,440
I'm OK with that.
Where are you falling on this

1752
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:02,800
one?
I I'm.

1753
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,440
Right there with you.
I was kind of hovering a 6 1/2

1754
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:08,840
to A7.
I had so much fun with certain

1755
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:13,000
parts of this movie and other
parts did just drag a little bit

1756
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,520
for me.
Overall though, really fun film

1757
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,800
I I looked it up.
This is the sixth highest rated

1758
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,520
Bond film in the series.
So you know if there's 26 films

1759
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:29,720
that's that's doing pretty good
for itself at 7.2 on IMDb.

1760
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,200
So I I think 7 out of 10 is a
good score.

1761
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,160
It's right in line with where a
lot of people have it.

1762
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:37,920
Bill, I'm curious to hear where
you would place this film you,

1763
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,680
you know, I'm.
I'm I'm close to you guys.

1764
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,920
I mean, I think, I think 7 1/2
would probably be the correct

1765
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,120
for me.
I mean, I want to say a, you

1766
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:53,240
know, when I look at my ranking,
it's #10, which is, which seems

1767
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,000
low because I do love it.
But then like there's.

1768
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,280
I mean, I mean, look, I'm going
to read Tomorrow Never Dies.

1769
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,120
So the ones, the ones ahead of
it, are in order.

1770
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:08,440
Tomorrow Never Dies, Goldfinger,
Skyfall From Russia With Love,

1771
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,960
The Spy Who Loved Me,
Thunderball, On Her Majesty's

1772
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,800
Secret Service, and then my top
two which are For Your Eyes Only

1773
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,520
and Casino Royale.
I can't.

1774
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,640
I can't put it ahead of any of
those, but I still love it.

1775
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,960
So yeah, like it's like 7
somewhere around 7:00 or 8:00,

1776
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:29,800
you know, I mean, they're all
10s, but, but you know, it's a 7

1777
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:32,480
but among the 10s.
It's a seven.

1778
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,360
I get it.
All right.

1779
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,440
Well, those are our.
Scores on Goldeneye.

1780
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,600
It's a 7 from me.
It's a 7 from Brad.

1781
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,200
It is a 10, but also an 8, but
also a 7 1/2 from Bilga.

1782
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,600
But we'd like to know what you
guys think.

1783
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,960
Have you seen Goldeneye recently
and what kind of a score would

1784
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,040
you give it?
You can find us on all of our

1785
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,600
social media accounts to tell us
what you think on Facebook,

1786
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:59,080
Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and
YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1787
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,720
Or you can jump onto.
Our Discord we are on here every

1788
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,760
single day talking to you guys,
fans of the Film and Whiskey

1789
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,720
Podcast.
So if you want to join the

1790
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,160
conversation, you can find a
link to the Discord at the end

1791
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,120
of every single one of our show
notes we.

1792
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,720
Want to say thank you?
Again to our guest, Bilga Abiri

1793
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,400
Bilga, it is just an absolute
honor and a privilege to have

1794
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,880
you here.
What are you up to, and where

1795
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,120
can people find you?
I I'm.

1796
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,520
Still at Vulture New York
Magazine, best place to find my

1797
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,640
writing is to just go to
vulture.com and poke around.

1798
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:34,040
Usually I have something up.
I'm on Twitter at Delga Ibiri

1799
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:39,760
BILGEEBIRI and that's about it.
You know, I, I, I every once in

1800
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,720
a while something by me will
show up somewhere else, you

1801
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:44,840
know, like the Criterion
Collection or something like

1802
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,960
that.
Right now I'm in the midst of

1803
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,680
writing something.
I don't know when this will go

1804
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:50,920
up, but right, I'm in the midst
of writing something about

1805
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:56,040
tenant right now, so but that'll
probably be up by the time by

1806
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,040
the time this this episode comes
around.

1807
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,880
Brad next.
Week we are diving into a film

1808
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,960
that was for a time when I was
7, my favorite movie of all time

1809
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:09,600
and that is the Jeff Goldblum,
Will Smith Banger Independence

1810
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,920
Day.
I cannot wait to watch this

1811
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,640
movie with you next week, man.
Bob, I've I've.

1812
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,120
Never seen Independence Day.
I'm so excited.

1813
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,960
Brad, this is the best season of
our podcast by far.

1814
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,360
I I'm.
So pumped about it, man.

1815
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,720
We'll see if you're still saying
that by the time we hit 2019.

1816
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:30,200
But so far, even like sister act
was a lot of.

1817
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,560
Fun The 90s, Baby the the 90s.
All right, We'll see you.

1818
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,120
Guys, next week for Independence
Day.

1819
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,200
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Braggie.

1820
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:40,840
And we'll see you.
Next time.

1821
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:43,680
Music.