Gladiator / Elmer T. Lee

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In 2000, director Ridley, Scott.
And star Russell Crowe gave the

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world, a modern sword and sandal
epic, that Drew critical and

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popular.
Acclaim.

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In 2021, we return to America's
most awarded Distillery for

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another allocated bourbon.
The film is Gladiator, the

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whiskey is Elmer T, Lee and
we'll review them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast.

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For each week.
We review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book.

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I am Brad.
G of Seven Hills, father to a

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cute daughter husband to a
beautiful wife, and I am Friend

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Bob, but I'll have my revenge in
this podcast, or the nation.

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Yeah.
Fred.

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The great thing about that is,
you know, you're from a city

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named Seven Hills.
And that's a metaphor that in

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Rome, that's what they called,
Rome the city on Seven Hills.

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I'm so glad you picked that up.
Hell yeah, I did, man.

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I paid attention in seminary.
I think he paid more attention

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to the history of Rome than
Ridley, Scott to it.

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That's probably true.
Hey man, it is really good too.

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I hear your voice like it's it's
been a crazy couple weeks for

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us.
I know we talked about this a

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little bit on last week's
episode but for me like I just

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moved to a new house, it's the
first house lol.

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Homeowner now it's been it's
been an experience already after

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like not even a week of living
here we found out the furnace

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needs replaced.
We found out that there was a

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gas leak, you know, just all the
good things happening in the

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realm of homeownership already,
for me, bro.

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I'm not gonna lie.
This is actually going to be

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really mean, so I apologize in
advance like we Haley.

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And I bought the best house in
the world, like we have had zero

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issues and all I ever hear from
all my friends who own homes is

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that there's like just
inordinate amounts of issues

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that come up in home ownership
and I don't know what like we

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did, right?
But we got a really chill house.

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I'm happy for you, man.
I as long as you recognize that

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you are in the very small
minority of people, rest of us.

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Struggling percent.
Yeah, my basement stays dry.

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When it rains.
Haven't had any furnace it.

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Like it's just, it's a wild
place.

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It's awesome.
So Brad, I do feel.

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I feel for you, man.
That's yeah, it's all right man.

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We're getting settled.
I don't have a permanent

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recording space yet.
I'm in the basement right now.

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So this it probably sounds
different than most episodes

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will but bear with me as I try
to find a new recording closet

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in my home.
So if we will see how that goes

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Bob we I need to come up there
and build you something like we

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need to get Legit recording
booth.

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Yeah, I think we should just
build a whole like Wing onto the

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house.
Yeah, yeah, it'll be the, it'll

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be like in Beauty and the Beast
Spa, no one enters the West Wing

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sponsored by our patreon
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That's right.
It'll only take us like, I don't

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know. 370 months.
Yeah, raise the required.

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You know, we'll get there
eventually.

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Yeah, we'll get there.
We'll get there.

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Well, Brad.
We're here to talk about the

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2000.
Best Picture Winner Gladiator, a

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movie that I, you know, what?
I saw this a CH when I was a kid

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and it's always always on cable.
I feel like AMC just exists on

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reruns of this and The Walking
Dead and the Shawshank

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Redemption.
But I got to be honest with you,

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man, I can't remember the last
time I sat down and watched this

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all in one sitting it's been on
my show, like, you know, I own

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it.
It's on my shelf, I got it.

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When they were selling those,
they used to do DVD two packs

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and it came with Braveheart.
So it was a Broward Gladiator to

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pack.
I have the exact same one.

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Yeah man.
It's a classic of the DVD genre,

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but I'm like, I'll just say this
of all the two packs that have

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ever come out.
I don't know if they've ever

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paired two movies more perfectly
together.

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Yeah, I think, for good and for
bad, like, 100 peaking back to

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our brave heart episode.
And this movie Just shares so

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much DNA with Braveheart and,
you know, bright honestly, like

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I think we'll get into it, but
I'm not gonna lie.

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I think watching this movie
after probably 10 years.

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Of distance.
It was a very, let's just say,

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different experience.
For me, this time around.

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Okay?
Can I just tell you that?

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I, so I haven't seen Gladiator
and probably, like, three, four

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years.
And because we watch Braveheart

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somewhat recently and like, I
saw them both on the same case.

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I legit was waiting for Lucilla,
you know, played by Connie,

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Nielsen to come up to Commodus
at some point and say, like it's

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okay because I carry His baby.
And then I realized that the end

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I was like, wait a second.
That was Brave heart.

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Yeah, rock Rock movie.
You know, they both really

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leaned heavily into the, I miss
my dead wife, but I'm also going

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to sleep with this other pretty
lady, and I think it kind of

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throws the whole movie off, in
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I mean, in this one, at least he
doesn't sleep with her.

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Yeah.
You just like kisses are once.

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Yeah.
He's like I'm not attracted to

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you at all and then she's like,
hey, make out with me.

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And he's like, okay, maybe a
little, they just move.

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Vaughn from there may be a
little you know I am.

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I am a gladiator now.
I deserve this, you know.

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Oh 100% man.
I mean proximal acid.

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Did you like girls boys?
We can send it to you.

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Alright.
Man before we get you off the

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rails here, I think we should
throw over to Brad explains,

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which is the part of the
podcast, where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen often for the

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first time.
I am going to go ahead and

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assume this was not your first
time seeing this as you owned

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the DVD to pack.
Right.

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Yeah, this is probably a round
number 10.

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So like something wrong.
I've seen it quite a few times

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my hand tight like bread.
And I don't mean this in, like,

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a patronizing way at all.
We're about to be so

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patronizing, you, but seriously,
you watching a movie ten times

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that this has to be really high
up, your list of most re-watched

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bragi movies.
Yeah, I I've said this before

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but actually let's make a
contest of it film.

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One, Whiskey Nation, if you can
name my most watched news, Movie

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re-watched movie, then you'll
win some sort of prize because I

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know that at some point in the
history of this podcast, I've

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mentioned it.
No, I like it.

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Well.
Okay, get out us on social media

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or on our Discord Channel, with
your answers to that question.

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And Brad will send you in his
words, some sort of prize.

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Yeah.
Well, how about how about the

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Luca Mariano?
We got all those packets and

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bunch of samples.
Cool.

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Boom.
All right there.

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Boom, boom.
All right.

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Brad, let's get into Brad
explains.

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Can you break down the plot of
This movie for our listeners, in

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60 seconds or less.
I sure can Bob, the movie

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Gladiator is about Russell Crowe
wanting to be the Spaniard guy

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that like, Farms his Spanish
land with his Spanish wife in a

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Spanish son, and he doesn't get
to do that.

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Instead, he's the empty
Emperor's primary General, he

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beats the Germans and then his
son and I do not his son, the

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emperor's son, kills the emperor
and Becomes the emperor.

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And then tries to kill Maximus.
Maximus goes back, home is

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family's dead.
He got becomes a slave becomes a

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gladiator and then he becomes so
good at being a gladiator that

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he denies the emperor's power
Commodus, the emperor tries to

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fight him in one-on-one combat
and like Stacks the the battle

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in his favor, but Maximus is a
badass and kills many ways and

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freeze the Roman Empire from the
tyrannical reign of The

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Emperor's.
Boom, also he dies.

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Yeah, dude.
I'm not going to lie, man.

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For all the crappy
cinematography in this movie

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that last scene when they're
carrying maximus' body off and

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you just see Lucilla standing in
the middle of the arena.

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And you just see Commodus his
body lying there.

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That's it, it's over shop for
coverage.

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I don't have to you know what it
reminded me of though.

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The very end of West Side Story,
when they're carrying off Tony's

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body, And you've got, Raffia
following them out of the end of

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the camera, pulls back up from
the park.

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And yeah, man, ever made me that
quite a bit West Side Story.

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That's the one where they had
that song.

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There's nobody, like, Maria.
Is that wrong?

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Maria wrong Maria.
Oh sorry, sorry.

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All right, man, I want to Dive
Right into this movie and I

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can't tell what a better place
to start would be.

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So I'm gonna let you pick and I
think the two options because we

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got to discuss both of them are
the script and the Action.

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Now Ridley, Scott is the
director here.

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We've talked about him on the
podcast.

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Before we have at least I have
lots of opinions about Ridley

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Scott, but I also have lots of
opinions on the story and the

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script in this movie.
Brad, where do you think we

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should start here, dude.
My boy rids.

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Co he, he struggles in this
movie.

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All right, let's yeah, let's do
Ridley, Scott them because

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Ridley Scott is one of the most
famous directors that has been

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working for well over 40 years
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He has made incredibly great
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He's most famous for alien and
Blade Runner, you know, he's

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been nominated for best
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I can't remember if he won, best
director for this film are not

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actually, I don't think he did,
I think Angley 14, Crouching

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Tiger in this year, but, you
know, he's a really, really

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famous director.
And yet, I feel like over the

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years, he has just kind of
become like a very serviceable,

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passable director.
And when you go to see a Ridley

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Scott move, There's not a lot of
like stylistic things that I

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think characterize a Ridley,
Scott movie, you know what I

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mean?
Like you look at all the movies

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he's made in the last 20 years
and they're kind of all over the

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place.
They all kind of feel the same

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and I guess that's a good sign
but I also don't know that

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Ridley Scott has made a great
movie in 40 years and and that

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means that's where I struggle
with him.

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Like, is he really a great
director or is he just one of

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our best kind of Directors for
hire?

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And you're kind of guaranteed to
get a three star movie out of

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him.
Yeah, I mean, when you look at

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where he started with alien, and
then you look at something like

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Gladiator, which won him best
picture somehow.

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And then you go to, like, his
next collaboration with Russell

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Crowe, which was Robin Hood?
Which I don't know if you saw

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that, but it was really, really
bad.

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No bueno.
Yeah, no bueno.

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I like, I just look at him and I
think that overall I just feel

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like, Ridley Scott is an Average
director that struck gold in his

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first movie.
I haven't seen Blade Runner so

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you know, you can, you can
discount my opinion as you will.

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But overall like I don't know,
especially like when you talk

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about a specific style that he
has like his style is just

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really flat washed-out
cinematography where there's not

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a lot of color and that works
when you are filming a Sci-Fi

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alien.
Ian on a, you know, derelict

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space cruiser type movie, but it
doesn't really work when you're

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doing a movie like Gladiator,
like Robin Hood.

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Like all, you know, these other
movies where they should be a

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lot brighter, there should be a
lot more color.

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I think that's one of the things
that frustrates me most about

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this movie is that the
cinematography is just average.

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The coloring of the movie is
boring.

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There's just a lot of issues
with gladiator and as I come out

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you know swing in I love this
movie for the longest time, like

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there's a reason I watched it 10
times, there's so much of this

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movie.
I really liked and there's some

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of it that I still enjoy, but as
I get older, I think it now.

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No man.
I just look at it and I go man

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in 1999.
American Beauty one.

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Best picture and then you have a
2000 Gladiator winning it and it

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just, I don't know.
It's just a hard left turn.

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Yeah, it really is man.
And I think the most frustrating

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thing for me watching this movie
which again, is a movie that I

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like, for the most part is how
uneven the direction is because

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there are some sequences where
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have sat down and storyboarded
this like the it flows really

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well.
He picked all his shots really

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well and then there's other
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like they filmed.
The same thing from like 15

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different angles and they just
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you know, the opening battle
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pretty great kind of set up for
this battle that you're going to

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get and then the battle starts
and it is just a mess, dude.

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It's like incomprehensible.
I didn't know where I was.

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I had no sense of the geography.
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a number of sequences like that
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And it really just kind of seems
at least the edit that we got

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here, like, Ridley Scott, Had
really good ideas for like forty

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percent of the movie.
And then the other 60% it was

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just kind of like, all right,
like we're going to see what we

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get here.
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That like there's a part of me
that wonders of this movie could

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have been like an hour and 40
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hours and 35 minutes because as
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movie, the first half of the
movie is, is hard to get

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through.
There's, there's some good

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moments throughout but I don't
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Hitting the nail on the head.
Bob, there's Great Moments in

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this movie that like give you
hope for a phenomenal movie, but

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enough of it just drags you down
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I mean it's the pacing.
It's the cinematography, it's

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the dialogue.
It's the acting.

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There's just, I don't know, but
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Where do you want to go?
Well, that's it.

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Maybe this is a good place to
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script because I feel like there
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really good, but for the most
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And then I also feel like there
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Scott's direction is really
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And then there are times where
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And I think the most frustrating
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seem to be working in sync
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is, is doing some okay,
Exposition or something like, it

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seems like Scott's direction is
just wandering off in a

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completely different direction
for lack of a better word.

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And then there's other times
where it's like, oh, Ridley

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Scott is taking this turd of a
scene that was written and he's

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really making something
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it but But again, like it just
doesn't seem like those to

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really work together and they're
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And, you know, you talk about
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man, like I kind of had to watch
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and that is never ideal for
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But again, I've seen it a ton of
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So I know what's coming.
But I have to say, man, the

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first half of this movie is just
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Like I came to watch a movie
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I want to see a man Gladiator.
Wait dude, you know what I mean?

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Like I just I want to see
somebody in the Colosseum and

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there is just this protracted
bike setup of Roman politics and

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the relationship between the
emperor and his son and it's

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just goes on forever.
Like he doesn't even get sent or

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he doesn't even wake up, you
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like the 45-minute Mark, he
doesn't actually get to the

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Coliseum until the hour and a
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Mark That point.
There's only an hour left in the

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movie.
It just kind of seems like the

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pacing of this film is way off
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See, for me the I think the the
first half has different issues.

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I actually kind of liked the
protracted prologue if you will.

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I guess I really enjoy the setup
of Maximus has character of his

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relationships with Commodus and
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Like, I enjoy that opening
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See.
Who Maximus is what he is all

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about?
I don't know.

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I was reading some reviews of
the movie and a lot of people

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complain about how.
He's, he's just such a simple

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character, right?
He's a great fighter that wants

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to go home and that's kind of a
stereotypical thing.

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But honestly, I like that Trope.
I like the idea of The Reluctant

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Warrior.
So that's not something that

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bothers me.
I think for me the first half of

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the movie, It's the battle
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there's a there's a few cool
shots of like The arrows flying

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through the air and the
catapults launching these fiery,

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you know Boulders, but for the
most part, I think the entire

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movie struggles with the battle
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film, strangely their cut to
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choppiness of the editing.
So, for me, that that opening

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sequence, the opening battle
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battle sequences, for the whole
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I just think Scott really
struggles as an action director.

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Four grand large-scale Warfare.
Yeah, I think that's a good

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point man.
And one of the things I noticed

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this time around was that weird
slow mo effect that they put

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into place in a lot of the
battle sequences and not to nerd

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out too much.
But you know, when you're

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recording a movie on film, the
way the film goes through the

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camera is you get 24 film cells,
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So when you play back film, like
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it's 24 frames a second.
And so if you wanted to film

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something in slow motion, let's
say you wanted to slow it down.

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Half.
You need to record that, add a

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frame rate, that's much higher.
So you record that in the camera

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at 48 frames a second, so that
when it plays back at 24 frames

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a second, it plays in slow
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But sometimes, like, when you
can't afford 48, frame stock,

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or, you know, like, you just
don't have the resources, you'll

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see, like filmmakers will, just
go ahead and use 24 frames, and

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then just play it back, really
slowly.

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And you can kind of tell each
click of the frame.

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It doesn't look seamless
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It's not like tricking your eye
into thinking that it's like a

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fluid.
Mint.

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And they do that a lot in this
movie where it's like it's in

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slow motion but it's not really
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It's like cheated slow motion
and it has that weird choppy

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kind of flicker effect to it and
it was super distracting for me

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like there was a lot of camera
work and you mentioned that

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cinematography there's a lot of
Zooms in this movie and I like

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for some reason I just I don't
get down with when cameras zoom

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in movies in general but
especially like, when you're

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showing me ancient times and
there's this Sounds stupid to

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say like this but like every
time there's a zoom you become

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very aware of the fact that
there's like a camera in this

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place and it really pulls me out
of whatever world you're trying

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to build.
So there were a few things like

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that that Ridley Scott and his
cinematographer chose to do

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that.
Just like it takes you out of

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the world of the movie.
Yeah, there's multiple times

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where he uses the like slightly
lower angle than the objects

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face.
It's like a mid-range Zoom.

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Umm from Far like from decently
far away, but you're like,

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looking up at Marcus Aurelius or
you're looking up at.

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I think it's Senator grakkus at
one point, as he's delivering a

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line.
And I'm just like, that's just

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it just feels like a really
weird decision.

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Like, like, do you want us to
focus on them?

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Do you not, like why is the
camera so far away?

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But you're slowly zooming in
from a weird angle.

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Like, I don't know what I'm
supposed to focus on and I think

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the other thing that frustrates
me about that is I feel like

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half the time like When they're
zooming in on something, the

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object, they want you to pay
attention to isn't like clear of

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other objects or people.
And so, you end up seeing like

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close-ups of just random extras
faces as they're like, looking

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around right in front of Marcus
Aurelius.

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And you're like what what what
come on bro.

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Like look at these extras out of
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I will say I did notice a couple
times like some of the choices

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stylistically that they did make
I think really got borrowed from

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They got borrowed from pretty
heavily by Peter Jackson for the

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Lord of the Rings.
Like all of the sequences where

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Russell Crowe is like a stroll,
planing never like astral

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projecting and thinking about
his dead family that is like

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100% the kind of frame rate, the
kind of color grading, the kind

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of weird, you know, with pans
and zooms that Peter Jackson

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does whenever Frodo puts the
ring on and they show, you know,

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whatever Frodo seeing in Mordor.
And and so I, you know, to their

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credit there is some stuff in
this movie that I think was

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really influential on filmmaking
in the early 2000s, but there is

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a lot of nitpicking.
We can do here Brad and I guess,

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you know, just to kind of pull
back a little bit from that

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nitpicking.
I think we should talk about

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Russell, Crowe the man wins the
Oscar, for this movie.

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I don't really know why.
And that's not to say, he's not

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good, but I just, you know,
we've seen a lot of great

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Russell Crowe performances.
I don't know that I'd put this

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in like his top.
Four or five performances and

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yet at the same time, you know,
the the credits come on and the

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cuts right to Maximus his face.
And he is imagining himself.

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Basically, walking through these
wheat Fields going to see his

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family and it cuts back to him
and you realize he's on the

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battlefield and he's been
daydreaming and they just let

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the camera Linger on his face
for like, I don't know. 20

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seconds, he sees a butterfly or
a bird or something fly off and

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he watches it and dreams about
being free and you can See, all

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these things registering on his
face of I'm daydreaming and I'm

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snapping back to reality.
But I want to go back to the

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Daydream.
I'm thinking about this bird and

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then he, he resolves himself to
go fight this battle.

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And I think from the very GetGo,
just that little touch is of its

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kind of like a microcosm for the
whole movie that this script is

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not very good, it doesn't flush.
His character out very well.

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The dialogue is going to be
terrible and yet Russell Crowe

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is going to do the heavy
lifting.

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To make this believable and I
think he needs to get the

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credit.
So like, you know, even though I

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don't think he deserves the
Oscar necessarily, maybe he

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does, because he took, what
could have been a very Bland

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mediocre character and he makes
something out of it.

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I was in say, I think that if
there's anything I enjoy about

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this movie, I actually like a
lot of the performances in this

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film.
I like Russell Crowe.

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I like Oliver Rita's proximo, I
like Connie Nielsen is loose.

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I really like Joaquin, Phoenix
as Commodus.

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I like the the characters, who
play the Senators, I like the

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character who plays the, the
numidian, his gladiatorial

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friend.
Like, there's a lot of

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performance in this in this
movie that I think pull a really

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average to bad scripts like out
of the toilet and give you a

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movie that's that's endearing
and charming and motivating as

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so.
I think that if there's anything

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that It really helps this movie
out.

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It is the acting performances.
Well, let's go in on that a

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little bit because I do think we
should talk about Joaquin,

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Phoenix.
He earns a Best Supporting

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Actor, nomination, I believe for
this movie, and I think he

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deserved it, he's really, really
good in this movie.

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And honestly, I noticed it in
that scene, where he murders his

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father.
You know, in my mind, I had

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thought that there were two
separate scenes that he has the

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confrontation and then he comes
back later and murders him, but

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it's all one scene.
And I don't really want to focus

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on the murdery part of it.
I Focus on what's before that

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when Marcus Aurelius comes, and
breaks the news to comment as

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00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,400
the, he's not going to be
Emperor and you have Joaquin,

444
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,100
Phoenix just really baring his
soul and and just saying like,

445
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:59,500
Dad, why don't you love me?
The many forms of courage?

446
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:04,300
Devotion.
To my family.

447
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,000
Did you?
But none of my virtues one your

448
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,800
list.
Even then it was as if you

449
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,700
didn't want me for your son.
Come with us.

450
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:26,200
You go too far.
Let's faces of God. waste,

451
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:33,300
please you to make you proud.
And, you know, I would, it's a

452
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,300
great line actually because it's
like a complete window into this

453
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,300
character soul.
I think he says, like, I would

454
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,800
butcher the whole world if it
meant that I could have your

455
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,700
love and it is such an insight
into like, wow, this guy is a

456
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,800
freakin sociopath but also
what's driving him is that he

457
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,100
wants this approval and the fact
that he can't get, it is the

458
00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:55,300
thing that's going to set him
over the edge and watching him,

459
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:59,100
just kind of beg and plead.
And, you know, Marcus Aurelius

460
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,600
is just already determined not
to do it.

461
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,100
It's really heartbreaking.
And I think the frustrating

462
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,400
thing for me was like, I'm
watching that scene and I'm

463
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,300
thinking to myself, oh, this
guy's not as evil.

464
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,700
As I remember him being a, he's
really layered and I can

465
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:17,300
understand his motivation.
He's really upset about what he

466
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:20,600
is perceiving as Maximus.
Taking something from him and

467
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,800
not just the the throne, but
like his dad's love and then

468
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,500
they just kind of turn him into
like this cartoonish villain in

469
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,000
the second half.
And he loses all that Nuance,

470
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,400
but even, even with that working
against him, I think Joaquin.

471
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,900
Phoenix is just freaking
phenomenal in this movie.

472
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,100
Yeah, I will just never forget
watching this as a young

473
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:45,900
teenager and just being blown
away by how creepy he is in this

474
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,400
movie.
Like, I just think Joaquin.

475
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,800
Phoenix, is terrifying in this
film and even watching it, now

476
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600
is a thirty-year-old.
I think you find the nuances of

477
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,200
his performance.
Like what?

478
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,500
Like when he's in that scene you
were just talking about Any

479
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:02,100
talks about the four virtues
that Marcus Aurelius had written

480
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,000
to him about.
And then he lists he goes.

481
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Well I knew that I didn't have
those but but father I have

482
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,100
other virtues.
Like you can see that he's still

483
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:14,300
trying to win his father's
approval and it just isn't gonna

484
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,500
work.
And so for me as he enters the

485
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:19,400
second half of the movie, I
think the key to understanding

486
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,100
him is the other great scene
that I think he really has,

487
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,600
which is where he's in the
Senate and the Senate is like,

488
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,300
you know, belaboring him with
All these different things he

489
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,200
needs to do and he gives you
this line about.

490
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,200
Like I will be their father and
the people of Rome will be my

491
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,600
children and I will love them.
And I think that's like the

492
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,400
motivating piece for this
character is like, okay, well,

493
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,900
if I never got the love that I
deserved.

494
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,800
I'm going to give it to my
people.

495
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,400
I'm going to treat them the way
I should have been treated, you

496
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,300
know, which is paired with this
immoral.

497
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:57,300
Let's start the Roman, you know,
gladiatorial games back up.

498
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:01,000
But at the Same time, like he's
like /, he's almost like

499
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,600
perversely, pure of heart.
Like he desires love, even if he

500
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,200
pursues it and ungodly and
forsaken type of ways.

501
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Absolutely.
All right, man.

502
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,400
I think we're off to a good
start here.

503
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
There's lots to like what this
movie, but there's definitely

504
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800
some flaws here.
Let's see what we think about

505
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600
the whiskey for the day, which
is Elmer T lie.

506
00:27:22,600 --> 00:28:05,200
When you say, let's get to it.
Alright, so today we are

507
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,600
checking out, Elmer T, ly,
single-barrel bourbon.

508
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,200
This comes from Brad's favorite
Distillery, Buffalo Trace and

509
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,400
just like most Buffalo Trace
products.

510
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,500
It is nigh impossible to find
and Brad.

511
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,400
There's not too much to say here
because we have set it all about

512
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,400
Buffalo Trace.
But just in terms of the

513
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,100
specifics, this is only a 90
Proof bourbon.

514
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:30,000
It is from Mash bill.
Number two, which is a Rye

515
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
bourbon.
They think it's about 15 to 18

516
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,800
percent Rye.
It shares the mash bill that

517
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,300
Blanton's carries which is also
a single barrel which is also

518
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,500
kind of in this General proof
point.

519
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
I'm excited to try this Brad
because I've never actually

520
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,500
gotten a chance to sit down and
try Elmer T ly partially because

521
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,500
it's really hard to find just to
buy it at retail.

522
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:55,100
But also, you know, when I go to
a bourbon bar, I know how much

523
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,800
it costs these bars to get a
bottle.

524
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,000
And so the markup on this stuff
is in Shane and honestly, if I'm

525
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,800
going to be paying 20 plus
dollars for a poor of bourbon,

526
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,300
I'm probably gonna want
something that's not just a 90

527
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,500
Proof bourbon.
So I'm excited to try it.

528
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:15,000
We have a sample from our friend
at TK bourbon on Instagram.

529
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,400
He sent us a sample of this.
We are very very grateful for

530
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800
that Brad.
You've kind of had a checkered

531
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,400
history with Buffalo Trace.
So are you familiar with the

532
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,700
Elmer T ly brand?
And how are you feeling about

533
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:27,800
this one going into it?
God bless about.

534
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,600
I just looked it up and Like 100
to 300 dollars on the secondary

535
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,100
Market.
Yeah.

536
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:37,300
But the retail is like 40 bucks.
Yeah.

537
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:38,400
You're not.
That's what I'm saying.

538
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Yeah.
Bob I don't need to get started

539
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,800
on this.
I damn it.

540
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,000
This is just so frustrating
because I drink the whiskey

541
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,800
already.
I took all my freaking notes,

542
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,400
it's a solid whiskey.
Yeah.

543
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,600
Like like it's pretty good and I
like honestly at $38.

544
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,200
I gave it a six out of town
value.

545
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,600
I was like yeah, it's a Solid.
Whiskey $38 is a little

546
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,800
expensive but like sure.
Yeah, it's fine at Bob I came

547
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,500
out with a 37 out of 50.
Like, that's a really solid

548
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:11,300
score for a whiskey and then I
have to freaking find out that

549
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,100
it's a Buffalo Trace bullsh,
that you can't even got get it

550
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,300
anywhere, and people are
dropping 100 200, $300 for this

551
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,200
crap, and it's not worth it.
Listen man, I love that.

552
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
You are so worked up that.
You just skipped the whole

553
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,000
whiskey segment already gave
your final score.

554
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,400
So I'm going to play catch-up
You now because I think I'm the

555
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,900
only one reviewing this whiskey
at this point, but yes, I share

556
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,900
your frustration.
It is incredibly incredibly

557
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:39,500
aggravating to see what's
happening with the secondary

558
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,200
market and Buffalo Trace, you
know, to their credit.

559
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,200
Like, they don't have a hundred
percent say, in how their

560
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,300
whiskey is sold.
The three-tier system is really,

561
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:52,300
really crappy.
But Brad, let's just talk about

562
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:56,100
what's in our glasses here.
When I poured this out and I

563
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,900
nosed it.
I thought this was just really,

564
00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:59,700
really beautiful.
Beautiful.

565
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,800
This is an incredibly.
I mean, it sounds simplistic to

566
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,800
say nice, but this is a really
nice nose.

567
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,300
There's a lot of Apple on this
and specifically for me, it was

568
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,000
green apple.
I get a lot of caramel on this,

569
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,500
you know, obviously it's a
bourbon.

570
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:15,200
You're going to get Caramel on
it and then I got like a little

571
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800
hint of like a cherry candy,
maybe like a red vines or

572
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Twizzlers on this, it was
really, really nice and

573
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:24,100
pleasant, and lighter than some
of the Buffalo Trace products.

574
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,700
We've had in the past, it
certainly was a little bit

575
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,200
brighter and lighter than
Blanton's and even Eagle Rare.

576
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:31,500
I'm going to give this an 8 out
of 10 on the nose.

577
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Come on.
All right, all right.

578
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,300
I mean you can do it.
So for the nose, I think it has

579
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,600
a really nice bright.
Kind of vanilla note to it that

580
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
like popped out to me at the
start.

581
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
And then underneath that was I'm
right there with you.

582
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,500
Bob it had this nice crisp
refreshing, Apple knows to it.

583
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,000
That was just Pleasant.
I had I didn't expect it from

584
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
this bourbon.
I was honestly expecting more

585
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,500
caramel.
I really just kind of got a Hint

586
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,800
of it but yeah, nice.
Lots of vanilla, lots of Apple.

587
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:06,800
I give it a 7 half out of ten on
the nose and then when you get

588
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,100
to the pallet, the mouth feels a
little bit thin, but again it's

589
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,300
90 proofs.
I wasn't expecting a lot here

590
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,300
thin, but really nice again and
I gosh, I keep I hate that.

591
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,500
I keep saying the word nice, but
this is just like it's not even

592
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,200
just inoffensive.
It's just a very pleasant little

593
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,200
whiskey and I enjoyed the heck
out of it and, you know, so for

594
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000
me again, the apple carries
over, there's lots of cinnamon

595
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,700
on this Want to get a little bit
of clove on the taste.

596
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,900
Right before you go to swallow,
I think it does turn just a bit

597
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:38,700
bitter and it gets very Oaky and
it reminded me a lot of Eagle

598
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,900
Rare in that way.
So, you know, compared to our

599
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:43,600
notes from Eagle Rare.
I still think.

600
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Overall the palette on this is
really, really, I'm just a nice

601
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,500
again but it's a really
enjoyable experience.

602
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,600
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half on the palate.

603
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,200
You've been down to like Amish
country and had been like the

604
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,700
barn or Dare Dutchman, or
something like that, right?

605
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:00,700
Sure.
Yeah, you know like their peanut

606
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,300
they're creamy like peanut
butter spread.

607
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,100
Yes I do.
That is what I got on.

608
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,400
This will interesting.
Okay.

609
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,500
Like it was creamy, it was
peanut buttery.

610
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,200
There was a ton of vanilla and a
little bit of that crisp.

611
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,100
Apple came on through and I
think honestly what you said I

612
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:23,100
didn't write it down but
cinnamon is a good note that

613
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:26,200
like it's almost like a cinnamon
peanut butter vanilla.

614
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,200
I really like this.
It didn't blow me.

615
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:33,300
Out of the water but I thought
it was a really solid complex

616
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,000
palate that I gave an 8 out of
10 to.

617
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,900
All right.
So let's move to the finish

618
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,800
here.
I think the Finish is actually a

619
00:33:40,808 --> 00:33:43,000
little bit nicer than the
palette because like I said it

620
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,700
goes a little bit bitter and and
heavily oaked on the end of the

621
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,900
Finish or on the end of the
palate.

622
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:52,000
But for the finish, I actually
think that some of those sweeter

623
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,100
notes came back.
It was a really nice and mouth,

624
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,000
man.
I've said, nice 18 times.

625
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,400
It was a really mouth-watering
finish.

626
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,000
It didn't dry.
My mouth out.

627
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
It wasn't tannic at all.
And I really appreciate that on

628
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
a whiskey like this.
I'm gonna give it once again a

629
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,000
seven and a half out of ten.
Yeah, once again this is this is

630
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,400
a finish that is smooth and
sweet.

631
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,300
Like there's a little bit of
oakiness a little bit of spice

632
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:18,600
but I'm getting all that vanilla
for me.

633
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,500
The Apple kind of come becomes
more pronounced at the end of

634
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,100
this experience.
And there's a nice little

635
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,000
Kentucky hug to go along with
it.

636
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,800
I like the Finish it's an 8 out
of 10 for me.

637
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,500
Alright that takes us to overall
balance Brad.

638
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:33,400
I think this is a really
well-balanced whiskey.

639
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,400
There's not much to say here in
terms of negatives, I think it

640
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,300
does drop off a little bit from
the nose to the palate.

641
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:43,800
But then again from the palette
to the finish, it goes back up

642
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,300
again for a 90 Proof bourbon to
not pack.

643
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,600
A lot of a punch and to really
stay in that fruit forward.

644
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,699
Sweet vanilla caramel
wheelhouse.

645
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,699
I think they really knocked this
one out of the park.

646
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,100
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 on.

647
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,900
The overall balance.
Yeah, Bob, I can't really add to

648
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:06,000
what you said there.
It's a well-balanced whiskey and

649
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,400
it had some surprising
complexity from the nose, to the

650
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
flow, to the palate.
So for me, it's a seven, half

651
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,800
out of ten, really well-balanced
whiskey?

652
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:18,500
All right, so this is where it
gets, you know, Buffalo Tracy,

653
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:24,100
because we're talking about the
value here, Brad it retails for

654
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:28,500
what, 40 something dollars, was
it retail for 3799?

655
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,800
All right, so let's Order up to
40, let's just say you're paying

656
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,400
$40 retail, it doesn't sell for
that, you know, anywhere you're

657
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,700
going to be spending at least a
hundred dollars to get this.

658
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,500
Unless you are lucky enough to
live in a state like Ohio and

659
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,100
even then you're going to have
to enter a lottery for the

660
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,500
chance to buy it at retail which
is ridiculous and its own right.

661
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,800
So Brad this is the hard part, I
think scoring this out at $40,

662
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:56,300
makes it comparable to Eagle
Rare and Eagle Rare was one of

663
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,300
the Bourbons that made me fall
in love with bourbon.

664
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,600
But when we tried it, It about a
year ago, I think we realized

665
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,200
like in a lot of ways we have
encountered many, many more and

666
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,200
better, bourbons, and I actually
think head-to-head, I might

667
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,400
prefer this flavor profile to
Eagle Rare.

668
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,100
So if I could get it for 40, I'm
going to give this like an 88

669
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,700
and a half out of ten on value.
If we're talking a hundred

670
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:21,300
dollars, I don't see this being
a hundred dollar whiskey at all

671
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,300
and that makes it a really bad
value.

672
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,300
If I'm going to split the
difference, Brad I guess I'm

673
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,900
just going to give it a 4 out of
10 on value.

674
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Alright, so my original score
for this was 6 out of 10 at $38.

675
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,300
I think it's just a little
overpriced if it was like if it

676
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,600
was Eagle Rare range and like 32
33 dollars probably be like a

677
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,200
seven or eight out of 10 on
value.

678
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:51,100
But at 100 200, $300, this has
never been done before in the

679
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:53,900
history of film whiskey podcast.
I'm going to give it a negative

680
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:59,200
6 on value.
And that brings my final score

681
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:06,200
out to a 25 out of 50 valve.
And I - that's a 12-point swing.

682
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,900
We went from a 37 out of 52. 25
out of 50.

683
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,300
Are you, are you really for real
sticking with that number?

684
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,800
You know I'm going to cut the
difference and give it a zero.

685
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:18,400
All right?
Cool.

686
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,600
So that brings you out to what
31 out of 50.

687
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,300
All right.
I'm at a 35 out of 50 so that's

688
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:29,100
bringing us to a 33 on average.
66 out of 100 again.

689
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:32,800
Like if we were just taking into
consideration that the taste and

690
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,800
the drinking experience, this is
a much better bourbon than a 66.

691
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,100
But when you've at when you
factor value into it I think

692
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,400
this is pretty appropriately
rated.

693
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,300
Yeah honestly I know that I'm
harsh.

694
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,300
It's honestly a solid whiskey.
I understand why people want it.

695
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:53,900
I understand why the price goes
up on the secondary Market.

696
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:58,300
I just think that Buffalo Trace
needs to do Amore to keep the

697
00:37:58,308 --> 00:38:00,800
secondary Market under control,
whether that's increasing

698
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,300
production.
Whether that's I don't know

699
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,600
putting limits on how much it
can be sold for otherwise.

700
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,000
They stop selling to those, you
know, third-party sellers.

701
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,600
Like I don't know what it'll
take but they need to get a

702
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,500
handle on this because I think
the beauty of whiskey is that

703
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:22,300
it's an Everyman drink.
Like like when I think about the

704
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:26,400
world of whiskey, it's a place
where anybody can come and join.

705
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,200
And what Buffalo Trace is doing
is they're creating a snooty

706
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,700
select secondary Market where
you're better than somebody

707
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,400
else.
If you get your hands on a

708
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,600
bottle of their stuff and I just
don't think that.

709
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
That's right.
I think that they need to do

710
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,300
something about it.
So Revolt, are you go the

711
00:38:46,308 --> 00:38:48,400
Revolt?
That's right.

712
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,000
We're you are the Maximus of
this this coup that we're about

713
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,900
to throw a game of right ice.
You're damn right.

714
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,700
I am and I think it.
Needs to start with the film,

715
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,100
whiskey podcast, stops
supporting their stupid

716
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,300
Whiskey's, but you keep putting
them on here Bob.

717
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:07,800
So you are the quintus.
You are the quintessential to my

718
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,200
to my maximum, right?
Whatever man Brad right.

719
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,100
Let's get back into talking
about Gladiator.

720
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:14,800
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

721
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:55,100
Bob
All right, that was Elmer T.

722
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:58,800
Ly bourbon a whiskey that we
both really like, but I don't

723
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,100
know if we would recommend it
Brad, just because of the chase

724
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,000
involved in getting a bottle.
And that's exactly how we feel

725
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
about Gladiator.
So, we'll see you next week.

726
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,800
Brad.
I'm gonna call an audible here.

727
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,800
Most weeks.
You invent a brad G award to

728
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,200
give out to our movie of the
week.

729
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,500
This week, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to give the Bob Buckle

730
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,600
This week do it and it's kind of
dark.

731
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,400
Are you ready for it?
Well, who I love dark Bob, it's

732
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,500
from the worst timeline.
This movie gets the award for

733
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,100
best child-sized.
Mannequin, getting absolutely

734
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:40,400
heated by a horse.
This Pleasant, man.

735
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,800
First of all, I gotta say for a
movie that I like this movie has

736
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,200
just so much unintentional
comedy, especially in that first

737
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
half like moments that I I
laughed out loud where it was

738
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,400
completely inappropriate to do
so, but none more than when

739
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:59,600
Russell Crowe's little son, is
running towards that, you know,

740
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,600
that platoon and saying like a
paw, paw it just cuts right to

741
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,000
the horse going push.
That is kid lying out from,

742
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,100
under the feet of this horse, it
was the fakest looking and then,

743
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,700
but they made a little sound
effect.

744
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,800
Like, if I can find the scene,
I'm going to put the sound

745
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,900
effect of this kid.
Getting just, just trucked by

746
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:25,100
this horses.
So funny to me and tell me if

747
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,900
I'm the worst person ever or if
that actually was just a

748
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:32,100
terrible idea on their part.
Now as long as you add like a

749
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,800
crowd, booing in the back.
Like oh afterwards that I think

750
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,000
it's a perfect sound clip.
Did you ever get into Vine when

751
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,500
vine was a thing?
No, I honestly didn't.

752
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,800
I thought it was like old Tick
Tock.

753
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,400
Is that what it was called much?
Yeah, I never got into it, but

754
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,500
I've been watching all of those
like good vine compilations on

755
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,000
YouTube lately and there's this
one where it's like an

756
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
infomercial, I think it's Alyssa
Milano or something, and she's

757
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,200
doing, you know, one of those
infomercials for underprivileged

758
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,700
kids and it starts with her
saying, what would you do if

759
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:07,900
there was a child standing right
in front of you and then it cuts

760
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,800
off and it cuts to somebody
else, it could be like a home

761
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
video of somebody just Trucking
a kid out of their way.

762
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,800
And it just reminded me like, I
need to make the mash up of her

763
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,500
saying, what would you do if
there was a child and then cut

764
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:22,400
Gladiator.
And this kid, just yes.

765
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,400
By this course.
Yeah, that'll be the first video

766
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,000
on the filmin.
Whiskey Tick-Tock.

767
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,500
Absolutely.
They'll get us banned forever.

768
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,600
No, Bob, honestly, the other
moment that I will point out of

769
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,100
bad mannequin Knology whatever
you want to call it when.

770
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,400
So you remember, he doesn't have
almost any lines other than the

771
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,000
God's favor you because their
color is red.

772
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:52,800
The the guy who like Challenges
him when he first gets to the

773
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,400
trainings of cool but then he
kind of becomes his friend early

774
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,500
2000s.
Dave Bautista guy?

775
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,400
Yeah, yeah, Drax.
But you know, a discount

776
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,500
version.
Yeah, discount Drax.

777
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:07,100
So when discount Drax dies when
they're like, let when the

778
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,300
Gladiators are helping Russell
Escape.

779
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,900
That is the single worst most
fake-looking deaths.

780
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:19,800
I think I have ever seen in a
movie, like, I don't think

781
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,300
velocipede Dirk could have a
worse death.

782
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,800
You know what?
I bet that whole last sequence

783
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,600
of them do trying to do this
escape and the whole coup

784
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,700
attempt.
Honestly Brad, I'm not gonna

785
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,200
lie, I forgot.
That was part of the movie.

786
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,000
I remembered how it was going to
end.

787
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,800
I knew it was building to that
but I totally forgot.

788
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,200
There was this attempted escape
from the prison and it felt so

789
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,500
weird and tacked on and not
filmed very well.

790
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:46,300
Like, I couldn't really
understand why is Russell Crowe

791
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,800
like down in the catacombs now.
Where is he going?

792
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,000
And especially with that Guys
death whom were calling discount

793
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,500
Drax apparently when he gets
killed, I really think it was

794
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,200
one of those things where they
were like, oh, shoot like we

795
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,900
forgot to show him die and he's
not in the movie anymore.

796
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:03,300
We gotta go back and film that
again.

797
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,500
Yeah, because he's filmed in
silhouette and it's just kind of

798
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:07,900
out of nowhere.
Like you don't even know it's

799
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:09,800
him at first.
And then you just see this this

800
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,200
body get hit with like three or
four arrows and then they kind

801
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,800
of cut to a close-up and you can
tell it's him and then he's

802
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,700
dead.
But he goes out.

803
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,800
So, unceremonious, Lee for a Who
you thought was kind of

804
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,400
important to the movie, like
they really just felt like a,

805
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:27,600
like a disrespectful way to kill
him off.

806
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:32,600
Oh dude, it just felt so
herky-jerky and weird.

807
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,900
I just yeah.
That was the death that just

808
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,900
just kind of killed me a little
bit on the inside.

809
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:44,100
But I will say that the way that
they filmed the Nets closing in

810
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:49,200
like the traps being foisted
upon Maximus and his allies.

811
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,800
I actually really Got into that,
like, for me, that set up that

812
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,600
final battle in such a way where
like it makes you feel like

813
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,300
Commodus has already won.
Like, by the time, he's giving

814
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,400
the speech to his sister about
how, like, if she tries to be

815
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,100
nobleman that seen her sight.
Oh, dude, it's so good.

816
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:14,600
And it's in the middle of, like,
all of Maximus is allies being

817
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,400
decimated or captured, but the
emperor Claudius knew that

818
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,400
they're up to something.
And you'd have a busy little

819
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,800
bees.
And one night, he sat down with

820
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,300
one of them.
And he looked at her. and she

821
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:39,400
said, What you've been doing?
Busy little bee.

822
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,100
Or I shall strike down those
dearest to you, you shall watch

823
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:54,500
as I bathe in their blood.
And a was heartbroken.

824
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Little bit winded, him more
deeply than anyone else could

825
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,300
ever have time.
For me that's seen is one of the

826
00:46:05,308 --> 00:46:07,000
most memorable from the movie.
Yeah.

827
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
That might have been the best
overall sequence because that,

828
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,900
you're right, they really
expertly intercut it with what's

829
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,900
going on at the prison.
And, and I think that's one of

830
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:18,900
the things with this movie that
like, the first hour and a half.

831
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:22,200
I absolutely hated the last hour
Ridley, Scott's like, hey, watch

832
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,800
me, go to work now.
Like, I'm gonna do the thing and

833
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,200
he does, like, it becomes
suspenseful, I think the

834
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,600
choreography of the action
sequences gets a lot better for

835
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,800
the most part.
The direction and the editing or

836
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,500
much tighter.
So the movie really ends on a

837
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,600
good note, and I think that it
kind of makes you forget about

838
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
how long it took to get there.
Yep.

839
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,700
But for me, like man, I don't
want to jump right into final

840
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,600
scores here and I don't think I
will yet Brad, but I think

841
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,700
that's the central thing I'm
struggling with.

842
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:54,500
As we get closer to giving this
a final score, it's just a

843
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,700
really uneven movie.
Yeah, I mean, let's just go to

844
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:03,200
the action sequences as an
example of that because For me,

845
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:04,800
something that has stood out to
me.

846
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,300
As I've learned more about film
is something that friend of show

847
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:13,000
Patrick age Williams.
Once said, which is that in an

848
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,900
action sequence?
One of the most important

849
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:20,800
things, a director can do is set
the geography of the fight,

850
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,000
right?
That everybody knows the

851
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,600
boundaries, everybody knows
where the antagonist and

852
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,700
protagonist are at every moment.
And I think that when you take

853
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:35,900
that lens and you It's a
gladiator. 90% of the combat,

854
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:41,700
and this movie is jarring.
It's 57 Cuts per 4 seconds.

855
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,100
You never know where you're at.
You never know where Maximus is

856
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:50,200
and relation to his people,
like, it's just such a cluster

857
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,600
of a battle sequence every
single time, except for the

858
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,200
final battle.
Like, when Maximus and Commodus

859
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,800
are fighting, he does such a
better job of keeping you Aware

860
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,600
of where they're at at all
times.

861
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,100
You don't have to keep track of
like 87 different Gladiators

862
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,000
fighting one another.
You just have to focus on

863
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Maximus and his dark armor and
Commodus in his amazed.

864
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,500
It probably the best costume of
the movie, he's all white like

865
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:25,300
armor set piece like it's a
beautiful action sequence and

866
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:30,100
like even the the way that
Commodus dies I legitimately had

867
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,200
chills as he's like Hopelessly
beating against Maximus with his

868
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,200
free arm.
I genuinely think that Commodus

869
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,900
is death, is one of my favorite
deaths in movie history.

870
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,300
Yeah, listen, I agree with
everything you're saying, like

871
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:50,600
it ends on such a great note.
It's just that I don't think

872
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,200
they maintain it throughout the
whole movie and before we get to

873
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,800
final scores, Brad are there any
other like nitpicks that you

874
00:48:56,808 --> 00:48:58,900
have with the movie or just
things that made you kind of

875
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:02,300
chuckled yourself things that
stood out as Maybe?

876
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,800
They could have done that a
little bit better.

877
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,300
Dude.
The, the up-and-down nature of

878
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:10,300
the dialogue in this movie, like
some of the lines and some of

879
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:14,900
the, the interactions I think
are just out of this world.

880
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:19,100
Good, like, like there are
certain parts of this movie

881
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:23,400
where the, the dialogue, I think
anytime Russell Crowe speaks

882
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,000
with his new midi and friend is,
is spectacular.

883
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,500
I just love the interactions
that they have, but in spite of

884
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:37,500
that, Are just some, I rolling
Lee bad lines in this movie,

885
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,100
that it doesn't matter.
How much great acting you have

886
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:44,400
from the people in this movie.
There's just some bad writing

887
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,000
for this film Bob, like, like,
for example, when they're

888
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,300
fighting the one battle where
maximus' people are portraying

889
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,300
the ancient Carthage, the
ancient Carthage.

890
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,800
When when Joaquin Phoenix says
to the senator, he goes, now

891
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,400
refresh my memory.
I believe it was The Barbarians

892
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,000
who were supposed to lose here.
Like I just love the dripping

893
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,200
sarcasm in that line.
Like to me, that's like a peak

894
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,100
line of this movie but then
whenever I hate to say it but

895
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,700
other than there may be their
first interaction between

896
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,200
Lucilla and Maximus every
interaction that they have after

897
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
that is just boring.
Yeah.

898
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,300
Like the lines are horrifically.
Bad.

899
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,000
Their dialogue is not engaging
in any way you You can't tell if

900
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,200
they're trying to make them into
a love story or if they're just

901
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,900
like kind of casually staring at
each other.

902
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:41,800
I don't know, man.
So Brad.

903
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,000
I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw a hot
take out there.

904
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:47,400
Hans Zimmer, did the score for
this movie and it is one of the

905
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,400
best-selling movie soundtracks
of all time.

906
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,300
This movie was a cultural
phenomenon, like it made a whole

907
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,700
boatload of money.
Apparently, sold a whole bunch

908
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:58,700
of CDs back in the day too.
I gotta say, man, I don't think

909
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:03,700
that the music matches the
actual Action on-screen very

910
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:07,000
well in this movie, like it's a
cool soundtrack and I think a

911
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,100
lot of the music is good but I
noticed it in the first five

912
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,500
minutes or so of the movie where
they're playing, what sounds

913
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,100
like a Pirates of the Caribbean
type, huh?

914
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,200
Theme over the battle with the
barbarians and it's supposed to

915
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,200
be like this really brooding
kind of you know, the color

916
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,200
palettes all grayed out and it
looks like the opening scene of

917
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,800
the Revenant or something and
the music is just this kind of

918
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,900
old.
Wash buckling type thing.

919
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:38,300
And at multiple points in this
movie, I was just like, what's

920
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,000
going on with the score here,
because it either seemed like it

921
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,700
was in a completely different
movie, or it was so on the nose

922
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:47,500
that it made me kind of roll my
eyes.

923
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,800
Like, when Russell Crowe wakes
up on that wagon, and they're

924
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,900
taking him to become a slave and
they kind of cut to the

925
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,900
marketplace.
I'll be damned if that wasn't

926
00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:00,900
just lift it from Aladdin.
Like that was, that was the

927
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:04,200
Agrabah theme from Aiden, I'm
100% certain of it.

928
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,300
I was like, where is the genie
gonna burst out here?

929
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:09,100
We got to start singing Prince
Ali.

930
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:14,000
Like, it was egregiously bad and
the scene where like, Russell

931
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,300
Crowe's family dies.
I think this movie, like,

932
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,500
started the Trope that we got
all through the 2000s of

933
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,300
anytime, a movie, is set
overseas.

934
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,600
And something dramatic happens.
You have to have a female

935
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:29,800
singing, like vaguely Middle
Eastern lyrics in.

936
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,400
What sounds kind of like a
yodel.

937
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:36,400
Do you know what I mean?
It's Like throughout the whole

938
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,200
sequence and it just none of it
matched.

939
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,100
What was going on on the screen?
See, here's, I have two thoughts

940
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:46,900
on that first.
Thought Hans Zimmer also

941
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:49,400
composed Pirates of the
Caribbean curse of the Black

942
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,800
Pearl.
Oh, did he really say?

943
00:52:50,808 --> 00:52:55,500
Okay, so there's a reason that's
that opening shared.

944
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,600
See, literally, it is 100% the
Dead undead.

945
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:06,300
Adam I didn't intend turn up
like it's it's 100% parts of the

946
00:53:06,308 --> 00:53:10,500
Caribbean and Hans just like
took that one, little Motif and

947
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,000
turned it into the entire Motif
for the Pirates of the Caribbean

948
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,900
Universe where it works.
Much better much, much better.

949
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,800
So that's that's my first
thought.

950
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,500
Second thought I actually think
that if you take any of the

951
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,300
orchestral music in this movie,
it's not great.

952
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:30,700
It doesn't fit the movie.
I agree with you 100%.

953
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Anytime they have a Wire for the
soundtrack, I think it fits

954
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,000
perfectly and it hits the nail
on the head.

955
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,900
So for me, I agree with you.
That it becomes a Trope.

956
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,700
But anytime anyone physically
sings in this movie, I think it

957
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:50,500
actually fits the movie
Perfectly.

958
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,000
All right?
Brad last thing I want to talk

959
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,400
about before we get to final
scores I sent you a like a short

960
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,700
video to watch because there's
something that happens in this

961
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:59,100
movie.
That it happens.

962
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:03,000
Kind of a lot and it's kind of
egregious but It's the use of a

963
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,400
thing called insert shots, and
if you're familiar with the film

964
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,300
language, you might know what an
insert shot is.

965
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:11,600
But imagine that you are well
imagine that you're watching

966
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,700
this movie, right?
And Russell Crowe is being taken

967
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:19,300
out to get executed in the
forest and he is fighting these

968
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:21,000
guys.
And you get slashed, by one of

969
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,600
them.
He falls to the ground after he

970
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,400
kills them, and Russell Crowe
reaches behind his breastplate.

971
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:29,700
And when he pulls out his
fingers, it cuts to a shot of

972
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,200
his fingers covered in blood,
that's an insert.

973
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,200
Shot is a shot that doesn't
really go with the rest of the

974
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,100
scene but it is inserted to give
us information that we might not

975
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:40,900
see.
Otherwise it happens a lot when

976
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:43,100
people are framed in close-up
because there might be things

977
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,800
happening outside the frame of
their face that you need to see.

978
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,500
And so they'll show a character
opening a letter, you know, when

979
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,100
when Rick in Casablanca stands
on the train platform, he's

980
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,200
reading a letter from Elsa.
They show the letter and

981
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,800
everything.
It says, that's an insert.

982
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,200
I think this movie relies on the
insert shot in ways that make

983
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,200
me.
Me question.

984
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,300
Sometimes, like, how well did
Ridley Scott plan out this

985
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,800
movie?
Because there are so so many of

986
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,800
them, and in a way that almost
makes it seem, like he doesn't

987
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
trust us to just understand
what's going on.

988
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:20,600
Like it Russell Crowe reaches
behind his breastplate, and

989
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,900
pulls out his fingers.
And you see him kind of like

990
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,700
wiping, what looks like a bloody
substance on his fingers, even

991
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:31,000
if you don't see, you know, that
his fingers in close-up, you

992
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,700
understand that he got hurt?
And I mean he like grimaces in

993
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:35,700
pain.
Yeah.

994
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,300
Okay dude got her got it you
don't need to give me any more

995
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,200
information than that and this
movie has.

996
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,100
I mean it uses insert shots as
transitions between scenes like

997
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,700
when he escapes from those guys
and he goes riding on his horse

998
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:50,700
day and night and he's they show
him riding a day and then they

999
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:54,600
cut to a shot of the Moon and it
just lingers on the moon for

1000
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,000
like 5 seconds and then they
show him by a campfire and it's

1001
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,200
dark behind him.
So it's like well, we showed the

1002
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,100
moon so that you know, that it's
night time now.

1003
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:03,800
Now, it's like, I didn't need
that.

1004
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,400
I know it's night time.
He has a fire and it's dark

1005
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,400
outside.
Like, stop insulting.

1006
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,400
My intelligence, and I really
think this movie's over relies

1007
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,500
on those little moments because
they didn't really do a good

1008
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:21,000
enough job, framing the shots
otherwise, well, I think the big

1009
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,100
issue is that he uses such a
static camera throughout the

1010
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,200
entire movie.
Like he I don't know if he ever

1011
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:33,000
moves the camera and so for me,
the insert shots are Are because

1012
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,600
he needs somewhere to go with
the camera.

1013
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
And so it's it is a struggle,
it's not something.

1014
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,400
I noticed a ton and even after
you sent me the video, I was

1015
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,700
like, oh yeah, I can think of a
few like awkward insert shots

1016
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,200
throughout the movie, but it
wasn't something that dominated

1017
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,100
for me.
I think, for me, it was the

1018
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:53,600
inconsistent.
I don't know style of the movie,

1019
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:58,000
like, you get a few shots of
Russell Crowe, like cgi'd over

1020
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,700
the ground.
Like moving over the ground,

1021
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:02,800
when he's dead.
Dead.

1022
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:08,400
You get some random, like
massive shots of the sky and

1023
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,900
like lightning.
And I think that I'm watching

1024
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:16,500
tree of life for a second, like,
like, there's just so many

1025
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:21,400
different styles of
cinematography & art-direction

1026
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,100
happening in this movie.
That that's the thing that

1027
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,400
really frustrated me about the
cinematography.

1028
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,000
Alright.
Brad, I think that we've

1029
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
nitpicked enough.
And again, this is like one of

1030
00:57:30,008 --> 00:57:32,200
those episodes where I hope we
kept it.

1031
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,100
Meaning, I hope we don't seem
like, we're just kind of pooping

1032
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,700
on the movie here but we both
liked this movie.

1033
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
I have a feeling you might have
liked it more than I did but

1034
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,500
let's find out.
Brad, what would you give this

1035
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,700
as a final score out of 10 you
know coming into it.

1036
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:49,400
I was expecting to give it a 9
out of 10.

1037
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:50,900
It's a movie.
I've always loved.

1038
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,800
I knew that there was flaws, I
knew that there was stuff about

1039
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,600
it.
I you know, it's not a perfect

1040
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,600
movie but this time through
there's just there's just a lot

1041
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,700
of stuff I realized wasn't well
made Made.

1042
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:07,300
But for me, I don't know.
There's something about this

1043
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:12,000
story about, there's a heart to
this movie that I think is what

1044
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,400
captured, you know, an entire
generation of moviegoers and

1045
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,800
there's a reason it won, best
picture, there's a reason.

1046
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,400
It what made so much money?
I just think there's something

1047
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,800
special about this movie and
despite all of its flaws, I'm

1048
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,400
still going to give it an 8 out
of 10.

1049
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,900
So Roger Ebert gave this movie
two out of four stars and Roger

1050
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:37,200
Ebert For being a really well
educated and understanding

1051
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,300
Cinema studies at a level that
most people will never

1052
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,000
understand.
He always seemed to relate to

1053
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
the Everyman, like, people
watched Roger Ebert on TV, and

1054
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,900
if he gave a movie to Stars, it
wasn't like, oh, he's just

1055
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:52,200
pretentious in a snob and I read
his review today and I agreed

1056
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,300
with a lot of it, I watched this
movie and it does remind me of

1057
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:58,500
Braveheart in so many ways
because almost all of the

1058
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:01,300
nitpicks we had with Braveheart,
we have with gladiator.

1059
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:05,100
It's Kind of a jumbled mess.
Sometimes it has pacing issues.

1060
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:08,900
The script is not very good and
yet the acting is really good.

1061
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:10,900
I think some of the battle
scenes are spectacular.

1062
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:13,100
There are lots of memorable
moments.

1063
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,900
I just think that this movie is
still kind of like overvalued

1064
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:23,100
and over appreciated by people
on IMDb it has an 8.5 out of 10.

1065
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:27,600
It's the number 45, I think
movie of all time, like I just

1066
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:31,300
don't see it Brad.
It's a really a really enjoyable

1067
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:35,500
to and If our movie that could
have been two hours, I'm going

1068
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,500
to give it a 7 out of 10, but I
think what I would like to hear

1069
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:40,700
from filmin.
Whiskey nation.

1070
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,600
Is what exactly about this
movie?

1071
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,800
If you love it, keeps you coming
back to it?

1072
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,000
Because, you know, I look at
other sword and sandals type

1073
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,500
epics like a Spartacus or even
just things set in the desert.

1074
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:58,400
Like a Lawrence of Arabia things
on a massive scale and I just

1075
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,300
don't think this movie really
Compares Brad.

1076
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:02,100
And so I'd like to hear from
Phil.

1077
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,700
Owen, whiskey Nation.
If you love this movie reach

1078
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,400
out, let us know why you love
it.

1079
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,000
What keeps you coming back to
it?

1080
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,500
You can find us on social media
on Facebook, Twitter or

1081
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:16,400
Instagram at film whiskey, or
you can give us a phone call.

1082
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,500
Your voice can be heard on the
film.

1083
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,600
Was he podcast?
You can do that on our website,

1084
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,000
which is Anchor dot f.
M /, film, whiskey next week, we

1085
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,800
are going to be watching Quentin
Tarantino's 1992, debut film

1086
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,100
Reservoir Dogs.
So join us.

1087
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,000
For that one.
But until then I'm Bob book I'm

1088
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,300
Brad G and we'll see you next
time.