Dune: Part Two / Bushmills 30-Year Single Malt Irish Whiskey ft. David Thomas Tao

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In 2024, director Denny
Villeneuve and star Timothy

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Chalamet gave the world a
bombastic science fiction epic

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that challenged the rules of the
game.

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In 2024 we visit the totally
sandy dunes of Ireland to try a

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30 year whiskey.
The film is Dune part.

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Two, the whiskey is Bushmill's
30 year single malt.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film in Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And Brad, it is our last

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official episode of 2024.
We are ending the year on a

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pretty damn high note here too
'cause we're actually talking

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about a movie from 2024.
It's absolutely wild and I feel

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like it's a movie that has the
most recognizable like since

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Inception's.
I feel like the is like the most

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recognizable little sound piece
from a movie in a decade.

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Yeah, it's it's amazing, though,
how, you know, we've talked

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about this with any movie set in
Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Like you get that like kind of
questionable like Minaret call.

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And now here we are on a desert
planet thousands of light years

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away, and we're still getting
that exact same like whoever is

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paying that person to keep them
employed with that little trill

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of a voice.
They are making bank off of

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Sandy.
Movies.

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Here's the thing though, man, it
doesn't matter when you make it

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freaking awesome.
And I would say Dune Part 2 is,

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in fact, freaking awesome.
Brad, I literally just finished

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watching this movie about 20
minutes before we hopped on

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tonight.
It's my third time having seen

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the film, and I realized that I
don't think we've actually

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covered Dune Part 1 on this
podcast before.

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So it's going to be a really
interesting conversation.

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I'm sure we'll have to lay some
groundwork for both the Dune

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books and the Dune movies.
And in order to do that, we're

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going to need some help.
So we've enlisted the help of a

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good friend of ours making, I
believe, his third appearance

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already on the podcast.
Second, we're well, we're gonna

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say third.
It sounds better.

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He's he's he's making numbers at
me.

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It's our friend David Thomas
Tao.

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David, how are you today, man?
I am.

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I'm excellent.
And you know what the the fun

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fact, you watch Dune 2, Dune
Part 2, right before this, right

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after this, I'm gonna watch the
new episode of Dune Prophecy,

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which has become my Sunday night
tradition.

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So the timing of this couldn't
be better from a nerd.

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Perspective, it's amazing how
quickly the, you know, the Star

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Wars Disney acquisition pipeline
has gone for the Dune IP.

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Warner Brothers was like, you
know what, we own this now we're

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going to pump out two movies and
then immediately get ATV show

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going as well.
I have not yet watched Dune

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Prophecy.
I'm sure a lot of people are

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catching up on it here over the
holidays.

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What's your opinion on the show
so far 'cause you're you're the

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only authoritative voice here on
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I'm really enjoying it and I
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others.
And I think the criticism, the,

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my quick thing is, I think a lot
of the criticism is that it

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feels different than Dune and
that things don't feel as

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coalesced or as tight.
The thing I'll say about Dune

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Prophecy, it's set 10,000 years
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background on how a lot of the
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that are major players in the
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came into being.
So the criticism I'm hearing

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from a lot of folks is that it
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tight, not as congealed.
That's kind of the point, right?

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It's like, let's go 10,000 years
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these social structures and
norms and heuristics originated.

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And like, it shouldn't feel as
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It should feel a little
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similar.
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I'm really enjoying it actually.
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more than than most, because I
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which the Dune IP operate.
Well, and that's the beauty of a

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television series, right, is
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tight.
Like, like Denny talks about how

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for him, the editing room is
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with a movie because he he like
it's like he is like cutting

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down his children when he throws
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And ATV show you don't quite
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yeah, we can leave it a little
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three seasons to work on this.
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know, you know, famous for his
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That's how you get down to a
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you know, but.
That said, we'll talk about this

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on the podcast.
I'm sure one of my favorite

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actors currently working in
Hollywood was entirely cut from

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the movie.
Yes, because the director had to

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be brutal in the editing room.
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it's true, it's epic.
It's epic in nature.

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It is the definition of an epic.
You're talking, of course, about

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the extended cameo by Jerry
Seinfeld, which I am talking

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about.
Really controversial.

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What's the deal with the spice?
Is it a is it a Prague?

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Is it a seasoning?
I can't do a Jerry Seinfeld

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impression, clearly.
That was, that was great.

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That was, you know.
What's what's Yeah, what's

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what's the deal with Space Guild
food anyway, that's a real.

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Brad, a couple weeks ago we did
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talked and lamented a bit at
that time about how we don't

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really do a lot of hard sci-fi
on this podcast and we we broke

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down soft sci-fi versus hard
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This is like, this is probably
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building and lore we've ever had
from a Yeah, it's the hardest of

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all hard sci Fi's, yes.
Here's here's Hurgid sci-fi.

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It's I'm sorry as opposed
agreeing to this, I'm so sorry

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this.
Is only listen, this whole part

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is only Patreon because we need
to get into the turgid versus

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flaccid sci-fi spectrum here.
Go ahead, Brad.

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Here's the thing with Dune.
I would say Part 1 and Part 2.

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I think that the reason it is so
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wraps all of the hard sci-fi
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mystical cinematography and
sound design and it's just kind

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of flowing.
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slower version of a Terrence
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it's just this almost like a
drug induced haze of a film that

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is masking like very, very deep
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All right.
Well, I think maybe the best

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place to start is to get into
our first segment of the day,

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which we call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen often for the 1st
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Brad, this was not your first
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I did convince you to go to the
movie theater and see this film.

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One of my proudest moments, if
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After failing to get me to see
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Or Dune Part 1, which I was
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scale movies.
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you'd been like, you know what,
I think I'm going to go see

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Barbie in IMAX.
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going to get me there.
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it's not your first time.
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there's a short way to explain
this movie and there's a very

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detailed way to explain this
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So I'm interested to see what
you can cram into 60 seconds

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here.
Folks, if you've not seen Dune

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Part 2, I'd encourage you to
press pause, go watch this

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movie, and then come back and
join us for the rest of the

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episode because Brad is going to
spoil the hell out of it.

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So Brad the movie has not hit
the Oscars yet.

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People are going to be catching
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Hopefully they'll return to this
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afterwards.
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Dune Part 2 is a film that
follows Paul Atreides and his

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mother as they are taken in by
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house was slaughtered by the
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Paul learns how to be a Fremen
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to slowly believe that he is the
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people that will bring
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He falls in love with a Fremen
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Is that it Chani?
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And eventually follows his
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there are is a large portion of
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that he will be made a profit,
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goes anyways.
Drinks worm piss and man.

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He has all the visions and he
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banner, takes the Emperor of the
Galaxy hostage, kills his

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champion and decides to wed his
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galactic empire.
Boom Dune Part 2.

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Not bad.
Not bad at all, Brad.

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Thanks man.
I'm going to throw over to our

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friend David.
He's been patiently waiting,

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chomping at the bit over here.
We sent our list of movies out

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to you and said take your pick
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And you said let's do Dune Part
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So I'll let you set the stage
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want to know what was the
immediate attraction to Dune

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Part 2?
Why this movie as opposed to any

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other?
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Dune Part 2 exists at that the
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or the rare the small center of
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existing IPI really truly love
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Like I think that if you don't
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about the Dune universe and you
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Dune Part 1 and Dune Part 2, I
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two-part cinematic experience.
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introduction to a very complex
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and that really set the standard
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I mean, you, you name it, it,
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understate the cultural
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influence and the genre
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You combine that with the fact
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done movie.
It's hard to do.

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This isn't really a sequel.
It's truly a Part 2, right?

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These are two movies.
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Dune was split across 2 movies.
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second movie well.
It's hard to do any movie well.

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And Dune to I think nails it.
It's a sort of movie where I go

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into the theater.
I love the IP.

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I've read the book multiple
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I've read the sequels.
I've immersed myself in this and

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I've been on fan forums and I
sit down and I'm nervous.

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I'm nervous about the execution
and I'm nervous about what is

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not going to make it into the
film, what has to be cut.

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But I didn't think throughout
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It wasn't until well after the
film when I was thinking about,

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wait a minute, I think this
character might have been cut,

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which is not a problem.
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not distracted by what didn't
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It was immersed in the universe.
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execution and I think it's
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which is tough for sci-fi films.
We don't see that happen.

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But this is a cinematic
achievement and I am just so

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happy that this IP that I really
grew up with and was, especially

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in high school, so obsessed
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form that does it justice, at
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right?
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replicates the universe and the
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your head when you're reading
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I thought it was great.
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the way through execution to
scoring, lovely.

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So that's why it was like a no
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I was like, this is this is the
one, right?

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This is it.
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Was going to say I I believe a
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like serious sci-fi contender
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nominated at the very least.
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nominated as well.
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controversially, it got a lot of
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nomination.
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cinematography, costume designs,
that design.

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Denis Val Neuf not nominated for
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which was a huge controversy.
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that add up to a cohesive vision
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smart and astute director behind
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talking about scale and scope of
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anyone is doing it the way that
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now.
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comparison is Nolan, but a Nolan
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Villeneuve movie.
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done Oppenheimer a couple months
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out of 10.
It's a great movie.

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It's a movie that's made so much
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Like there's so much of that
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callbacks to different time
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timelines and kind of creating
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through the edit.
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really good at just building
massive sets and putting like

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really good at geography, making
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that's this big against a
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That's enormous.
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that kind of old school
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that Villeneuve does right now.
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I, I would, I this is a yes.
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when we saw the death * and we
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that was.
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this well in a major sci-fi film
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Right.
Like, and there are multiple

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aspects of that could be the
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how big these, you know, what's
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spacecraft are relative to like
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ships transporting people.
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so to the Emperor's arrival
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I think a a challenge here is
this movie has to have sci-fi

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elements, but it's also
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It has to have pomp and
circumstance, right?

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And so you look at this and
you're like, oh, I'm seeing a

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lot that reminds me of Star
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I'm sure there have been books
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It's, it's arguable like, could
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for the Dune books, right?
The answer is maybe not.

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Right 'cause Dune was first.
They were the first to do this

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operatic epic scale sci-fi world
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books.
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comparison point and one that
I'd really like to pick Brad's

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brain on a little bit is this
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cinematically as a comparison
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I think this is probably the
most intricate, like I've

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already said, the the phrase
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especially from a sci-fi or
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multiple movies done on this
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It's the first time this has
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the Rings.
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Potter a little bit, but I just
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about quite the global scale
that, you know, Lord of the

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Rings or Dune is operating on.
And I think that there's a lot

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to dive in on here.
And I've got some great Nuggets

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from my research about like what
Tolkien thought of the Dune

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books and everything else.
But Brad, as a fan of Lord of

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the Rings, as a super fan of
Lord Lord of the Rings, the Dune

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story, does it grip you in the
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does?
I don't think it does.

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I oh man, that it's such a hard
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I Tolkien was way less
interested in the internal lives

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of his characters.
Like at the end of the day,

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Tolkien was way more fascinated
by the external forces of the

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world around it of like what's
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these larger than life
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utilizing their will to shape
the world in a way that they see

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fit.
And you see Sauron do that in

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negative ways and you see
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powerful ways for good.
And you know, the, the movies, I

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will say, show way more of the
struggle internally for Frodo

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and Sam and Aragorn and, and
all, all of these characters

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Ferromir, right?
Like one of the most famous

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differences from the books to
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doesn't even come close to being
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books.
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a good a good comparison to
bring up because talking

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believed in good people being
good and that they're not

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necessarily tempted by the
darkness.

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And like Frank Herbert
essentially was like, no, that's

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not true.
Everybody is tempted by the

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darkness.
Everybody is tempted by power.

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What will we do to gain control
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Now, I will say, David, you're
more the expert on June here.

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I have not read those books, but
from the comparisons I've seen

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of Lord of the Rings, the Dune,
as you were alluding to Bob

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about your research, Tolkien
hated.

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Dude not a fan of books he.
Did not like those books.

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And I, I think it comes down to
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They just had a different
underlying foundational view on

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humanity and the world and and
all of those things.

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Yeah, I mean, they're written to
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historical context too, even
though they're only, you know,

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20 years apart at the most.
But Tolkien is writing

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immediately post war when he and
Lewis are trying to extrapolate

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their own beliefs and reframe
this fight that they have seen

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on a continental and global
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to reaffirm what they believe to
be the good and the good that is

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inside of everybody and which is
worth fighting for.

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And it does not, obviously, it
is not hindered at all by the

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fact that.
Tolkien and Lewis are both

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avowed Christians, and so there
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the Lord of the Rings books.
Herbert, on the other hand, is

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writing 1520 years later, and
he's a little bit disillusioned

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with what America is doing at
the dawn of the military

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industrial complex.
He doesn't like what we're doing

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to kind of position ourselves to
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He looks at new drugs like LSD,
and he's writing, I mean, he's

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kind of a contemporary of, of
authors like Ken Kesey, who's

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writing One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest about LSD at this

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time as well.
It's a much more cynical, not

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quite nihilistic, but just
really emotionally cold tale.

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And you can see why Tolkien
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And I guess I'm wondering how
that affects your enjoyment of

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this adaptation, Brad and David,
because I think that it is, it

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perfectly captures the cold,
calculating kind of castle

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intrigue politics that Herbert
is getting at in a way that

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appeals to fans of shows like
Game of Thrones.

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Like it it it's right in line
with shows like that.

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I.
Was just going to say this like

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this so clearly points towards a
Game of Thrones like belief

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about the world than it does ACS
Lewis Tolkienesque view of the

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world.
And I, I, I think it's

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fascinating because I actually
think that Dune Part 2 at the

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very least leans less into the
cynicism and more into a belief

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mindset like a a token type
mindset then maybe Herbert would

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have been intended it to.
I mean, obviously the nerve is

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making it, but like for me that
especially this time through, I

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was struck by the end of the
film when Paul's mother

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essentially tells the former
like head of her order, the been

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a Jesuit witches.
I don't know, space witches,

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coven, Coven I mean.
That's, that's what they're

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referred.
That's like, how do you insult

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them?
You call them like witches or

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something, like yeah, yeah.
Sure.

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I I apologize, Ben.
A Jesuit.

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I'm not trying to offend you.
Don't make me do things.

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But like, at the end of it, she
tells her, like, you chose the

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wrong side.
And she goes, ah, there's never

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a side.
There's only survival

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essentially.
And like, that's the core

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tension for me of this film is
that Paul continues to say, I

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don't believe in your BS
missionary like propaganda

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proselytizing.
I just want to fight and win

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this war on my father's behalf.
But at the end of the film, and

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you know, I don't know where
Part 3 or, or Messiah or

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whatever he's going to call it
is going to be.

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But this film at the very least
seems to say that believing in

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something is more powerful than
being cynical.

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That it's it's when Paul finally
believes in the prophecy, he

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goes and drinks the water of
Life and his eyes are opened

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that that is the better way than
the cynical, We're all just here

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fighting our own battles type of
view.

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I'm going to say we have polar
opposite readings of the end of

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this film, Brad, but that's
that's good.

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It's going to be good for
conversation.

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I might also be just be more
because I I understand like

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where the arc of the the do
novels goes from here, but I was

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going to kind of try to set the
stage for the rest of the

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episode by saying the coldness
and the sort of emotional arm's

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length Ness of this overall
story, I think continues to be

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for me, the biggest fault in the
in these stories.

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And it's purposeful and I think
that Villeneuve captures it so

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well.
But there is there is just

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something that I can't
breakthrough with with the Dune

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films that I appreciate them and
I thoroughly enjoy them.

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But like, I'm not going to come
back to them to the extent that

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I do something that captures my
emotions and my heart the way

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that like a Lord of the Rings
does.

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And again, that's not the
intention of these films.

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But I think especially when you
start comparing them, there is

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something about the they
couldn't have made these movies

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successfully back when David
Lynch was trying to do them or

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in the 1990s.
And I don't think it's a

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technological thing.
I think it's because we were

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just a fundamentally different
people then and in the wake of

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9/11 and all of the wars that
we've had since then, this is

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like, this is the sci-fi movie
for our times.

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And I just constantly keep
asking myself, what does it say

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about us that this is what we
resonate with now?

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Do you know what I mean?
Wow.

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Episode done.
Wow, it's a good Bob.

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Bob nailed it, folks, like we
did.

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We did No, but David, for real,
you know, you're the dune expert

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here and I'm I don't want you to
be the stand in for the American

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people.
But oh, I'm happy to be the

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stand in for that.
Let's do that.

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Let me speak for everyone now.
OK, my here's my reaction.

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I think that I think actually, I
actually don't think you all are

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necessarily coming from polar
opposite perspectives here

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because I think that there is, I
think Brad is speaking to a

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reaction from watching this film
as someone who's not intimately

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familiar with the IP.
And Bob, I think you are someone

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who who knows a bit more about
the arc of where this goes,

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right?
And that's one thing that makes

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the Dune series really great.
And when I was reading these,

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when I was reading them, I
really enjoy as a young person.

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I really enjoy that because I
enjoy the arc.

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And for me it was telegraphed
but somehow still not

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predictable, right?
Like the entire setup is about a

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golden path for humanity and
about having future sight,

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right?
At this, at the same time, the

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book series actually has has is
a progression of interesting

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reveals, even if the characters
can literally see into the

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future, right?
Which I think is no small feat

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literally.
And I think that it's a

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testament to the fact that Frank
Herbert was also quite a great

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writer and quite a great
storyteller, as much as I think

443
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,720
some of his contemporaries or
the generation right before, for

444
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,360
lack of a better term, kind of
Pooh poohed him a little bit,

445
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080
right?
I think that his reveals and the

446
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,040
way he set up and the way he
actually constructed narratives

447
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,760
was really quite interesting.
So you all are kind of saying

448
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,120
different things.
But I think again, that's that's

449
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,440
that's the path of the reader.
And that's the path of someone

450
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,760
who has to go through this story
and experience this story

451
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,480
because so much of this is
internal.

452
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,720
So much of the writing of Dune,
and it occurs in the later books

453
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,080
as well, but it's especially
pointing in the 1st 2:00.

454
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,440
It is internal monologue.
It is very different than

455
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Tolkien, right?
Like it was brought up earlier.

456
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Tolkien didn't super care about
the internal thoughts or depth

457
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,840
of his characters necessarily.
He was kind of writing for the

458
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,880
plot more.
I don't want to that might be an

459
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,680
oversimplification, but Herbert
Oh, so much is happening in the

460
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,520
mind, right?
So much is happening in Paul's

461
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,440
mind, in Lady Jessica's mind,
right in Paul's sister's mind,

462
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,080
like in we see, we see this
happen with his characters and

463
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,000
later on his children and the
successive progressions of these

464
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720
folks who have the power of
future sight.

465
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440
So what I'll say is I don't
think what you're saying are,

466
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440
are two things that are opposed.
I think it's, it's an

467
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,400
illustration of how good the
progression of this narrative

468
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,160
really can be.
And the last thing I'll say is

469
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,880
survival.
I think we can all where where

470
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680
we can link these is that this
is ultimately about pragmatism

471
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,800
and survival in many ways.
There are a lot of themes in

472
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Dune.
I'm not trying to distill it

473
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,160
down to just those two.
But if you look at Dune and not

474
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,800
as a singular book, but as a
5000 year arc over the course of

475
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Herbert and his son's writings,
who kind of kind of finished the

476
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,520
narrative in in controversial
fashion, I will say it is about

477
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,880
survival.
How does humanity survive

478
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,960
against weapons of its own
creation and against its awful

479
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,240
instincts?
Because we are a

480
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,120
self-destructive species, right?
Is there a way for us to survive

481
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,960
as our power grows and as the
power of our creation grows?

482
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040
And for me, that's what I take
away ultimately from doom.

483
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,400
There are a lot of other themes.
So if we can all agree that this

484
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,360
is a story of survival and the
question does humanity actually

485
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,840
make it long term, I think
there's a lot of common ground

486
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,880
and different evolutions of that
understanding.

487
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Yeah, and the way you're talking
about it makes it sound like

488
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,520
this might be the ultimate Cold
War novel.

489
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Yeah.
Or series I should say.

490
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,800
I think it's especially poignant
too, because right now we're so

491
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,480
everything.
You can't turn on the news or

492
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,120
read anything without hearing
about AI.

493
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Herbert's stroke, one of his
strokes a genius was to say, OK,

494
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,480
we're gonna set up a universe in
which that's banned, right?

495
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,920
We're gonna set up a universe.
We don't have droids.

496
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,320
We don't have thinking machines
thinking.

497
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,800
And in fact, it's the whole
point of the plot.

498
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,160
It's it's outlined in the Orange
Bible, which is like the tome

499
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,080
for the Dune universe, for the
people in it.

500
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,160
You know, thou shall not make a
machine in the likeness of the

501
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,360
human mind, right?
And Herbert was literally

502
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,040
generations ahead of so many
authors and being like, well,

503
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,320
that's a consideration in the
earliest phases of the computer

504
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,360
age.
He was already thinking about

505
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400
the ramifications of that.
Right?

506
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,120
This is pre Matrix.
Do you get the Matrix without

507
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Dune?
No, you know, no, no hate to the

508
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Wachowskis.
Dude the the scene when Paul is

509
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,960
in the chamber with millions of
Fremen, like all I could see was

510
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,760
like oh this is a better version
of is it Matrix 2 I think that

511
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,640
has that.
And similarly, what Doom

512
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960
Prophecy, which I'm watching
right now, gives more of the

513
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,280
back story Doom Prophecy set
like 100 and some 120 years

514
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960
after the war with the Thinking
machines.

515
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,840
And by the way, I don't wanna
give too many spoilers, but the

516
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:44,120
relevance of the danger of
thinking machines becomes a

517
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,640
central plot point, a more
central plot point in subsequent

518
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,320
Dune novels.
So the further you go into the

519
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,760
sequels, the more you understand
why Herbert kind of set that.

520
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Up I think I think that's one of
the brilliances of this, at

521
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
least the visual adaptations,
you know, and and what Herbert

522
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:10,520
did was by D technologizing some
of it like he just made for a

523
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,040
really cool universe where
people stab each other with

524
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080
swords instead of just shoot
each other with bullets.

525
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Like I somehow he's created this
world where I readily believe

526
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,560
that they can be shooting down
helicopters with like RPGs and

527
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,840
also need to fight in hand to
hand combat.

528
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,680
Like that's.
So cool he he does kind of do

529
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,200
this day.
I think it's I, I, I should know

530
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
this on the top of my head.
I think it's called the Holtzman

531
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,080
effect, which is where like, oh,
that's the thing that explains

532
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,800
we figured out levitation.
We figured out like space-time

533
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,000
folding and we figured out it
figured out invisible Shields.

534
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680
And it's all due to this one
thing that we haven't discovered

535
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880
yet, right?
And like that explains all the

536
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
technology that we can't
comprehend right now.

537
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,480
It's just like all of it is kind
of just figured out by this

538
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
thing that he never goes into
detail on, which you kind of

539
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,120
have to do, right?
At a certain point you kind of

540
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120
have to be like, here's a plot
device stunt.

541
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Guys, before we get to break, I
want to pull us out of our super

542
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
nerdy sci-fi conversation here
and let's talk about the

543
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,560
cinematic merits of the film.
We've talked about Villeneuve a

544
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,400
little bit.
I think we should just kind of

545
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880
dive into the cast because where
I really want to take the back

546
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,480
half of the episode is exploring
the moral and ethical quandaries

547
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,960
that are presented, especially
by Paul, that I think that's

548
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,440
where Herbert's story is the
most unique and significantly

549
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,120
different from what you get with
Tolkien.

550
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,360
This idea that he may or may not
actually be a Messiah, or he may

551
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,320
be one that has wholly
manufactured his own savior ship

552
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,360
and how dangerous that might be.
And I think that that is, it's

553
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,120
been such a long time since
we've had a protagonist who

554
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,280
makes potentially very evil
decisions at the end of his own

555
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,400
hero's arc in this film.
But in order to talk about that,

556
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,840
we got to talk about the
performances.

557
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,120
And I say we start right at the
top here with Timothy Chalamet.

558
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Now, I just went to a press
screening of his new film that's

559
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,520
just come out called A Complete
Unknown, in which he plays Bob

560
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Dylan.
It's a good film, and he does a

561
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,200
good Dylan.
And then I watched this movie

562
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,880
again, and I am once again
reminded that Oscar voters often

563
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,960
go for the keys that are being
jingled in front of them.

564
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,640
This is a better performance
than his Bob Dylan, and he is,

565
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
I'm like legitimately
spectacular.

566
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,280
The last 40 minutes of the movie
are what I'm going to rave about

567
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,920
the entire time we're talking.
But specifically with Chalamet's

568
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,240
performance from the time he
wakes up after drinking the

569
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,600
water of life and he has the
scene where he confronts all the

570
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Fremen in a theater on the round
type environment.

571
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,320
And like, everything after that
is just, it might be the best 40

572
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,480
minutes of acting I've ever seen
from Chalamet.

573
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,640
It's absolutely Oscar caliber
acting, Brad.

574
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,040
The final 40 minutes, yes.
The rest of the film?

575
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,639
Not even close.
What?

576
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,560
I I think Chalamet is so weak in
so many parts of this movie.

577
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Oh.
Brad.

578
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,600
He and Zendaya don't have good
chemistry.

579
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,159
You see these things so
dogmatically as if they are the

580
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,800
predominant opinion on these
things.

581
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,280
They have like moments together,
but there's so many places of

582
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,600
awkward dialogue, which I think
if there's one thing for me,

583
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,080
some of the dialogue in this
movie is just straight up bad.

584
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,199
And I I don't think that
Chalamet or Zendaya or anybody

585
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,880
else can really redeem it.
I think that the two weakest

586
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,560
performances of this film are
Chalamet and Zendaya.

587
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Everybody else in this movie is
like top notch, incredible.

588
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,800
I I just Brad, I I really like
you so much.

589
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Do it.
Finish him.

590
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,360
I really The thing is, I really
like like you're.

591
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,280
So you're much better than Bob.
No, I'm kidding.

592
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,960
I love you both.
Obviously.

593
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,600
I'm joking.
I'm joking.

594
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,120
I've, I fundamental, I disagree
with that.

595
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,600
I'm sorry.
I, I don't, I don't know if it's

596
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,720
my turn to speak, but I, I
disagree with that.

597
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,760
I think Chalamet and Zendaya, I
think Zendaya's performance is

598
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,440
actually extraordinarily
nuanced.

599
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,720
And I think she has a real
challenge of of like she has to,

600
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,560
we have to show both of these
are young people who are coming

601
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,520
of age and falling in love for
the first time with universe

602
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
shattering or shaking
consequences.

603
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,360
And they have to balance this
like youthful finding yourself

604
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,880
post pubescent.
Who am I self discovery with

605
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,680
like an order of magnitude of
importance more than we, we, you

606
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,600
know, folks face.
And and I think there's a lot of

607
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,240
nuance to her performance.
I think it's like there's a

608
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,440
scene where she has to, and I
think this is really brilliant

609
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,800
of, of the creative team to
include this where she like

610
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,440
plays a little joke on him,
right?

611
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,360
And she's like kind of
schoolgirl talking with her

612
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,000
friends and making fun of him,
right?

613
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Which is like a nice little
moment of levity.

614
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,080
It's a little Helga Pataki
making fun of Arnold, you know

615
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,440
what I mean?
And then we find her fear of

616
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,520
falling in love, but also we see
her becoming disillusioned while

617
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400
everyone else is buying into the
savior complex and the Messiah

618
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,520
complex, right?
And that's a lot of weight.

619
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
And I just want to point out one
thing.

620
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,120
I love face acting.
And it's something that like is,

621
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,560
is or is not a real thing.
But the scene, there is a scene

622
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
toward the end of the movie
where there's like a premonition

623
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,880
of the future after the the holy
war.

624
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,400
And after Paul's forces win the
holy war that kills trillions

625
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,440
across the universe, there's a
scene of him and Zendaya's

626
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,720
character and some other
characters standing on, like,

627
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,520
this ship while they're
overlooking this planet that has

628
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,320
been conquered.
And like, you wanna see good

629
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
subtle face acting?
Look at Zendaya in that scene,

630
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,440
right?
So I think that she, I think

631
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,280
it's a role that's impossible to
do perfectly because she has to

632
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,040
convey such an arc, falling like
maturing, falling in love,

633
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,200
getting disillusioned, kind of
falling out of love, but also

634
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,000
wrestling with the fact that
like, does she say is she more

635
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880
effective in curbing the
negative effects of this by

636
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520
staying close to Paul?
It's so much to balance.

637
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480
And I was really impressed by
her performance.

638
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,000
I'm not sure it's the best
acting I've seen from Timothy,

639
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,400
but I really enjoyed the
performance.

640
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,520
I thought it was really good.
I think it is award nomination

641
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,440
consideration worthy.
I think for me, one of the

642
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,880
struggles with Timothy is that
in moments, like I said, when

643
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,000
he's in the round doing his talk
to everybody, he's incredible.

644
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,600
But the rest of the film, and
maybe this was intentional, but

645
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,600
every single time he ever raises
his voice and tries to be like a

646
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,600
leader of some sort, I just
found myself going like, dude,

647
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
you can't pull that off.
It's just not there.

648
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,560
I, I, I don't know if that was
just me, I really struggled with

649
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,840
with him throughout.
I do think that if Zendaya, I

650
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,840
think that her and Timothy are
fine together.

651
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,800
I think when the cameras just
shoved up into her face, her

652
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,000
eyes are incredible.
Like she has a real talent to

653
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,680
move the viewer with her eyes.
Yeah, I I agree with both of you

654
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,520
about Zendaya, especially
because she was in a movie at

655
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,200
the beginning of the year called
Challengers, a really great

656
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,960
movie by Luca Guadagnino.
And I to this day, I think it's

657
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,760
the best lead female performance
I've seen all year.

658
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120
I think she's getting completely
left out of awards

659
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
consideration, but in that was.
That the tennis movie.

660
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Yes, fantastic movie.
One of my good friends is a

661
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,240
sucker for three things.
Like in films, he loves tennis,

662
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,080
he loves Zendaya and he loves
love triangles.

663
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,200
And when they came out, when
they came out with that trailer,

664
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,560
he texted me and he was like,
they've made the perfect movie

665
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,080
for me.
I.

666
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,320
Was going to say if if his
fourth favorite thing was strong

667
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,480
homoerotic themes then that
movie is like absolutely up his

668
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
alley.
That he didn't mention those,

669
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,320
but I who knows?
Well, based on the director,

670
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040
like those are things that are
besides tennis, those are all

671
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,920
things that are kind of themes
in that director.

672
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,680
'S Cat exactly.
So I, I think she's so good in

673
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,160
that movie because she's she's
almost playing older than she is

674
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,920
in parts of it, but it's also
like a 15 year spanning film.

675
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000
And so at the beginning of the
film she's playing like a 17

676
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,760
year old.
And I think her ability to not

677
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,080
tip into caricature when she's
playing a disillusioned 30

678
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,560
something or a really young
ingenue type.

679
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,800
Is really, really stellar and
she does it here as well.

680
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,920
To Brad's point, I think our
supporting cast, which if you

681
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,320
guys don't mind it, just indulge
me for a second if I can just

682
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,960
read this cast list.
So Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya,

683
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,240
followed by an order of credits.
Rebecca Ferguson, Josh Brolin,

684
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Stellen Skarsgard, Dave Batista,
Charlotte Rampling, Javier

685
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,920
Bardem, Austin Butler, Florence
Pugh, Christopher Walken, and

686
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Leia Seidu.
Maybe the best cast assembled

687
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,480
for anything that's not a Marvel
IP in the 21st century.

688
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
The I want to give a quick, just
a quick pour one out.

689
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,280
Actually, you know, I'm going to
open my Bushmills.

690
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,120
Will I do this and make it a
literal pour one out, crack the

691
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,120
seal on the sample bottle.
Pour one out for Tim Blake

692
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,760
Nelson, who was in the movie but
whose scenes were cut.

693
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:10,040
And I was personally, I'm not
saying it wasn't correct, but I

694
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,960
was personally excited when I
saw the casting news.

695
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:20,040
No, David, come out and say it.
You know more than Denny about.

696
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Whiskey, maybe, you know, but
even that's debatable.

697
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,720
I don't know.
I don't, I don't know the man,

698
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,120
no.
Tim Blake Nelson was originally

699
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,160
in the movie.
I believe the scenes were

700
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,840
filmed.
Those were cut along with a few

701
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,200
other folks.
He just happens to be an actor

702
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,200
that I have a particular
affinity for.

703
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,480
Oh, brother, where art.
That was my favorite film of all

704
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,720
time.
So that's that's just my that's

705
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,800
just what I have to say about
that.

706
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,480
And the other thing this is a
spoiler spoiler alert.

707
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Fast forward 30 seconds if you
don't want a spoiler.

708
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:56,920
Anya Taylor Joy in a brief cameo
as as Paul's sister, which I got

709
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
to be honest, I'm not.
That wasn't my favorite part of

710
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,520
the movie.
If I have to point to 1 weakness

711
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,240
in the movie, how?
Cause like in the book, she's

712
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:10,320
actually born and like is like 3
years old, three or four years

713
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,040
old at the end of the book, but
they've just decided to take her

714
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,960
this very packed movie.
And I think it was actually a

715
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,400
good call.
I think it was a good call to

716
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,440
not have her as like a
significant character in this

717
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,040
book.
And we're gonna see her maybe in

718
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,760
future movies.
But in the book, she's born and

719
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,800
has an active role in the plot.
In the movie, she does not.

720
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,720
It's just kind of like like, you
know, future sight scene and

721
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,000
it's more of a cameo you.
Said she's three.

722
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,240
I just like I have a three that
just turned 4 year old.

723
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,600
I just like to see her like
running around the desert

724
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,840
telling grown adults what to do.
Well, that's like if you guys, I

725
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,680
don't think you guys have seen
the David Lynch film.

726
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,840
Yes.
I have multiple times and they

727
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,480
did that in the David Lynch
film.

728
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
She's like a three.
She's a real creepy 3 year old

729
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,240
and and you know, you know what?
They accomplished making her

730
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,400
real creepy.
Yeah, yeah.

731
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Brad, what what I would like for
you to do is follow your newly 4

732
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,760
year old around with the
microphone so that we can get

733
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,400
little transitionary statements
of her saying Dune things like

734
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,680
just getting her.
It's, it's the quiz at Tatarak.

735
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,200
It's Muadeeb.
We'll just throw those in in

736
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,680
between each of our segments,
you know?

737
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,160
All right, I'm ready.
And Brad, this is this is

738
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040
interesting like again, this is
a spoil.

739
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,000
This is a book spoiler book
spoiler.

740
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,400
In the book Paul Sister, 3 year
old Paul Sister, she's the one

741
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,160
who kills Baron Harkonnen.
Let's freaky I would go read

742
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,720
those books now.
Like as a three-year old.

743
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Yeah, yeah.
The thing that was keeping Brad

744
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,160
was the assumed lack of child
murders in this in the book

745
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,000
series.
But child murders in that it's

746
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,720
the children doing the
murdering, yes.

747
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,360
The children getting important,
important.

748
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,040
All right, guys, I think this is
a good place to press pause.

749
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Otherwise, we're about to go way
off the rails.

750
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,480
Child murders.
Great place to push pause, Bob.

751
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,880
We'll.
Come back after break, we'll

752
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,880
talk about the supporting cast.
We'll get into all the ethical

753
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,080
quandaries as well.
But it's time for us to drink a

754
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,280
very expensive whiskey.
Brad, what do you say?

755
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
No.
Twist my arm, Bob.

756
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,000
All right everybody, today we
are drinking Bushmills 30.

757
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:35,360
Now this, as one might guess, is
a 30 year old Irish whiskey that

758
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,760
Bushmills has recently released.
I believe, Bob, we are getting

759
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,000
into some rarefied air here.
We certainly are.

760
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,040
And just a peek behind the
curtain, we told David what we

761
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,840
had planned to drink for this
episode.

762
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,240
I don't think he had it on hand.
And knowing that the guy has a

763
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,720
lot of whiskey on hand, I just
sent him a list of all the

764
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,360
whiskeys we'd plan to drink in
the next 8 weeks or so.

765
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,880
And he said, oh, Bushmills 30
sounds good.

766
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Let me contact my Bushmilts guy.
And I don't know what magic he

767
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,320
worked, what been adjusterate
schemes he's been up to in the

768
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,880
background, but he was able to
secure his own sample of

769
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,760
Bushmills 30 single malt.
Now there is also a Bushmills 29

770
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,840
year that we'll be trying next
week and that is called

771
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Bushmills 29 year Rare Cask.
So there's a difference between

772
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,000
just the rare cask and the
single malt.

773
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,960
We're drinking that 30 year old
variety here today, Brad.

774
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,920
This was aged in bourbon barrels
and Sherry butts for 14 years,

775
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,200
taken out of those barrels and
then finished again in first

776
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,720
fill PX Sherry casks for an
additional 16 years.

777
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
And I have to say that of all
the Irish whiskeys we have ever

778
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,720
tried on this podcast, this is
by far the darkest in color.

779
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,880
Brad, Oh.
Far and away the darkest in

780
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,160
color and Bob.
I was actually thinking with

781
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,280
with so many things like
finished in PX casks, I want to

782
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,040
like, I don't know how rare it
is.

783
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,480
I want to actually get my hands
on some Pedro Jimenez Sherry

784
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,280
sometime and and try it because
I feel like with so many things

785
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,520
finished in it I I need to know
what is the the OG juice

786
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,840
actually like?
Well, I'm sure David's got APX

787
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,880
guy that he can hook us up with.
I was just saying we can make

788
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,520
that happen.
I'm not coughing because I'm not

789
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,000
coughing because of this.
I'm coughing because I have the

790
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880
where winter allergies.
I do want to give a quick shout

791
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,520
out.
I, I reach out to, there's a,

792
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,720
there's a group called
Articulate, which is a lot of

793
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,880
the PR for Bushmills in the US.
And I reached out to my contact

794
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,080
there knowing they were at
Bushmills and they were super

795
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,080
excited about this.
And they were just like, how can

796
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,600
we like, how can we help?
And they just messengered this

797
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,480
sample of Bushmills sturdy.
The best thing was they asked

798
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,120
like, wait, Bushmill's 30 like
they they were like they wanted

799
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,000
to get it right.
They're like, do you want the,

800
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,080
the, the quote UN quote regular
single, single maul.

801
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,360
Do you want the rare cast?
Like they want to make sure we I

802
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,880
got the exact right thing.
So shout out to them because

803
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,440
like, this is not a a whiskey
that you just find every every

804
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,440
day, you know, and also, I just
want to point out I'm especially

805
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,400
excited because I do review a
good bit of Irish whiskey.

806
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,800
I've I've been to I've been to
an I've covered and as a member

807
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,080
of the media, a number of
distilleries in person in

808
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,280
Ireland.
Most of the Irish whiskey that I

809
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,520
do quote UN quote work with like
review, it's actually Irish

810
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,880
single pot still, which is a
different type of whiskey than a

811
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,440
single malt, right.
Bushmills.

812
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,800
They they are, they make single
they are, they only make single

813
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,120
malt, right?
And so I don't get to review

814
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,880
their products as much as I
maybe would like.

815
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,160
I don't get to review Irish
single malt as much as I like.

816
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,200
It's one of the styles of Irish
whiskey, of which there are

817
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,640
several and you know, one that I
don't get to cover as much.

818
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,880
So super excited about it.
Yeah, and let it be known as the

819
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,720
purveyors of budget whiskeys
that we are.

820
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,440
We were not making you try the
rare cast.

821
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,680
We're just the, you know, the
the bottom shelf. 30 year

822
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,320
Bushmills here.
I could have found rare cast.

823
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,080
I just want to be clear here.
I could have, OK, you know,

824
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,960
unless you're if you're calling
me out, that's.

825
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Funny, man.
All right, guys, let's dive in.

826
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,680
Brad, let's let's hear your
nosing notes.

827
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680
I think you drank it right
before we pressed record

828
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,200
tonight.
I'm trying it live on air

829
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,520
alongside David.
So I'm going to stick my nose in

830
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,520
this class now.
Yeah, this is a beautiful nose,

831
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Bob for me.
There's a really nice bit of

832
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,520
almond throughout.
It's got dried cherry.

833
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:48,000
It has that that the PX kind of
a sweet grape kind of nose.

834
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,920
There's a bit of melon here, and
it all has a nice little

835
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,760
foundation of barley throughout.
I think this is an incredible

836
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,040
nose. 9 out of 10.
Yeah, I'm, I'm there with you,

837
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,960
man.
This has an really deep, rich

838
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,560
decadence to it that we don't
typically get on Irish whiskey.

839
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,560
I mean, we've also done a lot of
really young or blended Irish

840
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,840
whiskeys as well.
So this is obviously in a

841
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,840
different category.
But even among those, you don't

842
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,680
usually get this much caramel
this much.

843
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,560
You know what it reminded me of
Brad, honestly, was a couple

844
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,040
years ago, we did the Amroot
fusion, which had this note of

845
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:32,200
like stewed plum on it, like
really heavy, like date plum

846
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,200
prune.
It's syrupy sweet.

847
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680
It's got Maple on it.
I, I mean, obviously I think

848
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,200
it's coming from those, those
bourbon ex bourbon cast that was

849
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,480
sitting in, but there is just
wave after wave of really dark,

850
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,120
carmally syrupy notes going on
here.

851
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,840
I'm going to give it a 9.5 Brad.
I, I, I think you all get great

852
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,040
notes.
You know, Brad, I get a, you say

853
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,720
almond.
I get kind of an almond extract

854
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,920
note here, particularly Bob to
your notes about, you know, it's

855
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,440
like dates.
We get black raisins.

856
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,880
I get Luxardo cherry for me, the
note that I often use for really

857
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,920
good single malts with some good
PX influence, like if they go a

858
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,280
really good direction, I get a
lot of figgy pudding, right?

859
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,520
And figgy pudding is not
something that like I have

860
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,760
eaten.
But I just want to be clear.

861
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440
I don't like make it every
holiday, but it's it's it's just

862
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,680
looks like Nexus of dark and
fruity and decadent and rich,

863
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,800
but also sweet and confectionery
a little bit.

864
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,680
And so I don't really have much
to add.

865
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,320
I'm just kind of yes, Anding
really what you all are saying

866
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,280
here.
And for me that kind of

867
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,240
coalesces is like, honestly,
like flombed figgy pudding,

868
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,440
right?
With like you just lit it on

869
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,120
fire and you get some of that
like extra care, alcohol,

870
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,440
caramelization, caramelization,
loveliness.

871
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,400
Yeah, I really, really enjoy
this.

872
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,680
And you know, Brad, to your, to
your point, I do get the

873
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,120
underlying molt that's not lost
from the wood influence, which

874
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:01,000
is really, really lovely.
You know, for me nose wise, I'm,

875
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,520
I'm, I'm gonna say it's like
high eights for me, probably

876
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,440
probably a nine.
See, I'm used to doing stuff

877
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,720
also on 100 point scale for like
spirits competitions.

878
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,320
The 10 point scale is very
different, so I'm just gonna

879
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,320
round up and say A9 on this.
It's it's really lovely.

880
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,200
I have been lucky to have some
of the rare cast expressions

881
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,720
from Bushmills and some of those
I would rate the nose even even

882
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,520
a little bit more, but you
really can't ask for much more

883
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,640
than this on the nose.
This is like, really, really

884
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,680
good stuff.
Yeah, I and that's, that's for

885
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,960
me.
I, I think that David, your

886
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,440
expansive whiskey is going to
lead to a slightly lower score

887
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,600
than us.
And I, I think that's probably a

888
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,160
good thing because I am quite
effusive about this.

889
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
I I texted Bob earlier and was
like dude, I drank this

890
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Bushmills 30 and dear sweet
Jesus.

891
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,480
I I, I one thing I will want to
say on the nose this listen, a

892
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,480
lot of folks in Scots like the
poo poo Irish single malt and

893
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,400
they shouldn't be poo pooing
Irish single malt because it's

894
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,040
it can be really, really
spectacular and it can punch

895
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,520
right, right up there with the
best.

896
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,200
And I have no some cherry
finished in like really good,

897
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:21,480
like legendary single estate
pork pipe scotches that are 40

898
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,600
plus years old and have really
lovely like PX influence.

899
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,800
And this is right up there with
them.

900
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,240
This 30 year old Iris single
mole is right up there with some

901
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,520
of the really expensive,
incredibly highly regarded,

902
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,840
super rare charried 40 plus year
old scotches I've I've reviewed

903
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,280
or sampled in the past couple
years.

904
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,000
So like it's, it's good stuff.
I'm.

905
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Going to go as fast as I can
with my tasting notes here.

906
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Brad, this is only a 46% ABV
whiskey, but it had, it's a

907
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,240
flavor bomb and I will say
incredible prickliness on the

908
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:56,720
tongue here.
I, I would you could have

909
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,720
convinced me this was much
higher proof than it is.

910
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,200
What I'll say about it is all
the notes that we identified on

911
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,600
the nose are here on the palate.
You do get a slight bitterness

912
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,600
from the malt, but what I love
about this is that it doesn't

913
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,520
turn into a burnt or ashy flavor
at the back.

914
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,480
It's not overly oaked and the
bitterness actually presented

915
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
for me.
I've been making these a lot

916
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,160
lately.
One of my favorite whiskey

917
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,280
cocktails is called the Brown
Derby, which is a bourbon and

918
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,080
grapefruit juice cocktail.
I get notes of grapefruit on the

919
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,480
back of this.
It's not overly bitter, it's not

920
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,840
pithy, but it it brings a note
of kind of slightly sour, bitter

921
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,280
citrus to the party that covers
up for what might have otherwise

922
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,960
tasted a little bit too charred.
I'll give it a nine on the on

923
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,800
the taste bread.
Yeah, I think that this palate

924
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,200
is like near perfection for me.
Like the raisins really come

925
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,600
through.
The melon is there.

926
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,920
I I put grapefruit as like one
of my key elements of this.

927
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:02,400
And once again, the barley is
there and it has like a, for me,

928
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,360
the almond almost moved into
like a hazelnut like like

929
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,760
praline almost kind of vibe.
I'm at a 10 out of 10 on this

930
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,240
flavour, Bob.
I think it is everything I want

931
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,800
in a whiskey.
I, I like the I prefer the

932
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,280
palate to the nose.
I love the nose.

933
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,280
I want to be very clear here.
I think the palate's even

934
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,400
better.
You know, Bob, I, I get that you

935
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,560
kind of predisposed me.
For me, it's grapefruit candy

936
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,680
specifically, not great.
Like there's these specific

937
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,880
small grapefruit candies that I
used to love as a kid that

938
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,640
really reminds me of, I think
the palate.

939
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,080
I there's AI have a moment on
the mid palate where I'm worried

940
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,880
that this is going to go too dry
and it's gonna be a little too

941
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,720
maybe ashy get into too much
like dry wine territory.

942
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000
But what it does instead, it
blossoms with tropical fruit led

943
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,200
by grapefruit, but with also
some some papaya and guava.

944
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,840
And you said prickly, but I also
get prickly pear cactus fruit on

945
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,400
this or prickly pear on this,
which is actually is something

946
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,520
that I do eat occasionally
'cause it's like a bodega near

947
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,160
me has it weirdly cheap.
So I'll just like buy a bunch of

948
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,240
them.
So this is I love when single

949
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:17,480
malts, like when they they
blossom into tropical fruit,

950
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,720
like kind of after the mid
palette and it really carries

951
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,240
through for just this like
bright, vibrant finish.

952
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,880
And this really does.
So you know, on the pallet on

953
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:33,680
A10 point scale, I you know, I'm
like a 9.4 maybe on this maybe

954
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,400
9.5.
It's this whiskey like shows up

955
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,560
and then holds its own through
the entire through the entire

956
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
phase of the sample.
Absolutely, yeah.

957
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,680
And continue to get through on
to the finish.

958
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,200
I think there's a creaminess
that develops as well.

959
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,560
Like the grapefruit is the
predominant note that I'm left

960
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
with.
But again, it doesn't tip into

961
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,640
like a really bitter grapefruit
kind of pith flavor.

962
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,560
And it's not overly sweet, but I
think that's where the viscosity

963
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,840
really like takes over is on the
finish for me.

964
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,880
It's a really long mouth
watering finish.

965
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,480
I get a little bit.
Do you remember those candies

966
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,480
we've referenced a couple times,
Brad Cream Savers.

967
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,720
They're like the Lifesavers with
the little swirls in them.

968
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,000
It's it's like that with a nice
little hit of grapefruit juice

969
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,880
on top of it.
Once again, I'm going to be

970
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,120
pretty high on this.
I do think I'll come down just a

971
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:29,680
hair to an 8 1/2 out of 10 here.
I I think the finish reminds me

972
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,440
of an Aldi's chocolate that my
wife really likes.

973
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,120
It's a dark chocolate with
orange peel in it.

974
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,360
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

975
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,960
Like that.
Like there that I was, I was

976
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,640
sitting here after I drank it
and I was just kind of enjoying

977
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,280
the finish and I was like, oh,
it's that dark chocolate with

978
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,520
orange.
It's so, so good.

979
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,040
The there's still hazelnut in
there for me.

980
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,800
The grapefruit sticks around the
the raisins stick around for me.

981
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,960
It finally fell into that like
plum category on the finish.

982
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,000
I'm I'm still really high on
this.

983
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,680
I'm at a nine out of 10 on the
finish.

984
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,960
I'm.
Coming down just a little for

985
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,040
the finish, but I thought the
finish was still very good.

986
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,440
You also predisposed.
I like going last because I can

987
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,480
just RIP off of what you all say
and it makes me sound like a

988
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,920
better taster than I am.
You know those chocolate

989
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,680
oranges, the table you got
around the holiday that you like

990
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,320
hit on the table to open?
Yes, okay, if you made one with

991
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,600
grapefruit instead of orange.
That's what this is like on the

992
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,480
finish.
Do you remember those Guinness

993
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,680
commercials from back in the day
with the cartoon characters that

994
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,480
would just shout brilliant,
Yeah.

995
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Like the two?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

996
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,960
That we need to pitch that to
the Terry's Corporation over in

997
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,320
England and just they need to
have a grapefruit one now that

998
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,320
sounds fantastic.
But it's just this is this.

999
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,480
I do get a little grapefruit
pith on this and I don't mind

1000
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,600
that, you know, I get a tiny,
tiny bit of minty and menthol on

1001
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,440
this.
It's due some action.

1002
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,520
There's some fun action on the
upper palate, actually, which I

1003
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,400
get, which surprised me a little
bit.

1004
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,920
You know, it's not the best
finish I've had on an Irish

1005
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,520
single malt.
I've had some Bushmills finishes

1006
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,440
that are actually a little more
memorable for this.

1007
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,520
But again, when I'm coming down
back down to like a nine, this

1008
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,960
is still a better finish than
the vast majority of whiskeys

1009
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,840
I'll ever taste.
You know what I mean?

1010
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,200
And weirdly, the finish has some
things in common.

1011
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,280
I I tasted the Stranahan
Snowflake release for this year.

1012
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,880
Recently I had a call with their
blender, Justin.

1013
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,840
Great guy and I'm only
mentioning that because it's

1014
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,080
another Proximo company and I'm
going to stay in portfolio here.

1015
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,880
So everyone's going to be really
happy with me on the brand side,

1016
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,080
right?
I'm not going to mention

1017
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,280
anything out of portfolio, right
Stranahan's Bushmills, both

1018
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,240
Proximo brands company, you know
they're going to love Hopefully

1019
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,360
they'll like me for that.
Justin is a great blender.

1020
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,120
I think some of the things I got
on this year's snowflake as far

1021
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,200
as like the drier pithier fruit
on the finish.

1022
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,160
I'm, I'm, there's like, I'm
getting a little bit of that

1023
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,360
here, right?
And so I've been drinking a lot

1024
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,920
of American single malt lately
and it's really cool to see some

1025
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,320
notes that I'm getting in really
phenomenal multi decade age

1026
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,640
single malts from abroad.
And I'm able to tie those to

1027
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,280
notes in really high end super
premium single malts from

1028
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,200
American single malt makers,
right?

1029
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,920
For me, that's like, that's
really cool.

1030
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,200
And something that five years
ago would have been maybe next

1031
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,160
to impossible.
Yeah.

1032
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,560
You know, when we get into the
balance here, folks, if you, if

1033
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,960
you're new to listening to our
podcast, by the way, the way we

1034
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,880
talk about balance, think of it
as cohesiveness and especially

1035
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,720
in the first 3 categories.
So from the nose to the taste to

1036
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,520
the finish, was any one of those
kind of wildly out of whack with

1037
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,760
the other three?
And I don't think they were.

1038
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,200
I think this is actually a
spectacularly well balanced

1039
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,360
whiskey.
I'm getting, I'm still getting

1040
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,840
notes that are coming up on the
finish.

1041
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,120
You know, like when you go to
like a hibachi restaurant and

1042
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,480
they give you the little slivers
of ginger on the side of your

1043
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,360
meal.
Like I'm getting ginger on this,

1044
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,760
which is something that I never
get on Irish whiskey.

1045
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,720
I just.
Got Cafe cream, like Cafe Creme

1046
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,400
or cafe cream, just a tiny bit
of coffee, but with that

1047
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,800
milkiness that you were
referencing.

1048
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,560
Bob, I also want to point like
I, I have my notes, like my

1049
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,960
tasting notes, how I would rate
a whiskey.

1050
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,920
There's also a crush ability
factor, like do you just want to

1051
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,360
do you just want to drink the
ever loving crap out of?

1052
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,120
This crushability factor here is
very hot.

1053
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Off the charts.
Like I literally was sitting

1054
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,080
here when I finished.
Just hold it.

1055
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,360
You know how like you hold a
bottle to like get every last

1056
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,360
drop into your glass?
I was holding the glass so that

1057
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,560
I could get every lost drop into
my mouth.

1058
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,760
Absolutely, man.
And I think that I was ready to

1059
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,880
kind of come into this part of
the review and say it's not the

1060
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,280
most nuanced or the most complex
whiskey we've ever had.

1061
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,040
But especially when you're
thinking about the Irish

1062
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,440
whiskey's that we reviewed on
this podcast, Brad, I think it's

1063
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,400
at the top or near the top for
Irish whiskey.

1064
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,720
And I think that the more I talk
about it, the more notes I keep

1065
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,040
finding in it.
So it's almost like, you know,

1066
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,640
the little engine that could
hear it.

1067
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,440
It's just funny because you
would think that I wouldn't have

1068
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,320
to talk about it like it's
punching above its weight.

1069
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,880
It's a 30 year old single malt.
I think the balance here is

1070
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,040
really, really great.
I'm going to give it a 9.5 out

1071
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,280
of 10.
Brad, what are you at?

1072
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,320
I'm at a 9.5 as well.
I I think that this is complex

1073
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:32,440
and rich and yet every single
note that we get is a river that

1074
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,200
runs well together like that.
There's no Rapids, there's

1075
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,240
nothing throwing you off course.
It's all working together so so

1076
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,320
Oh well.
How does this tasting experience

1077
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,200
approximate the sensation of
riding a sandworm?

1078
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,960
That's really what we should be.
That's the.

1079
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,720
Scale we should be.
That is a great question.

1080
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,120
Bob, you, you.
You picked a big one like in

1081
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,880
Dune 2 when he asked to ride the
sandworm for the first time and

1082
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,440
he picks a big one.
How would Shai Haloud think of

1083
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,200
this whiskey?
That's what we really need to be

1084
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,840
asking.
David, where are you at

1085
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,240
numerically on the balance here?
I'm I'm just a little bit below

1086
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,320
you guys and it's not because
this isn't a stellar, stellar

1087
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,280
whiskey.
It's because like I feel like

1088
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,160
I've been lucky to kind of see
the mountain top of what

1089
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,960
Bushmills can do.
And I know they can.

1090
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,160
They can produce some things
that as great as this is, stick

1091
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:29,400
with me with punch, but
elegance, like even slightly

1092
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,200
more so for me, I'm probably a
9.4.

1093
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,560
I just want to point out though,
the crushability factor here is

1094
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,280
rare.
Like I reviewed some whiskeys

1095
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,120
that are off the charts good and
I rate very highly and I just

1096
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,720
like sit with 1/2 ounce of them
for like an hour.

1097
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,640
This is a whiskey where my glass
is basically empty now and I'm

1098
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,760
like, when do I get to pour some
more, right?

1099
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,960
This is just whiskey I want to
drink.

1100
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,840
So there's like this X Factor
there that my numerical rating

1101
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,520
is like underselling it a little
bit, even though my numerical

1102
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,680
rating is extraordinarily high.
This is a great whiskey, guys.

1103
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,760
This is a great whiskey, Yeah.
And with, with our final

1104
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,680
category here, David, we
normally do our value category

1105
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,200
and we give a price and we will
give the price on this whiskey.

1106
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,800
But it is falling within our our
luxury category, which

1107
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,160
essentially for us is like, but
for a lot of people, once you

1108
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,960
hit three $400.00, the upwards
range of the price might not

1109
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,560
start to matter as much As for
somebody who's used to spending

1110
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,160
30 and looking at a 70 or $80.00
bottle, you know what I mean?

1111
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Yeah, there's, there's really no
cost is not an obstacle at this

1112
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,280
point if you're looking at
buying this whiskey.

1113
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,680
And So what we've kind of done
at this point when we're

1114
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,520
reviewing luxury whiskeys and
Brad, I'm finding this around

1115
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,560
$2000 online just as a baseline,
I'll say 2 grand.

1116
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,800
If you're, if you're already
looking at spending two grand on

1117
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,000
a whiskey, we know that you can
afford to spend 2 grand on a

1118
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,080
whiskey.
And so we usually come in with a

1119
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,080
baseline of five out of 10 and
can go up or down from there.

1120
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,880
I think I'm going to go up from
5 out of.

1121
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,160
Ten.
You usually come out with a 5

1122
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,560
out of 10 baseline.
Speaking for the both of us,

1123
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,160
we're, we're at a 5 out of 10,
but I, I do think that among

1124
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,400
luxury categories here, we're
not actually comparing this to

1125
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,800
like all the $2000 whiskey's
we've had.

1126
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,280
Which one's the best?
Is this a product that can

1127
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,120
justify costing this much?
Absolutely.

1128
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,560
Based on the market, based on
the actual amount of liquid left

1129
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,840
in the barrels after 30 years,
yes.

1130
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,920
They I don't feel like they're
price gouging.

1131
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,880
I don't feel like there's
anything gimmicky happening

1132
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,760
here.
I'm going to give this a 7 1/2

1133
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,920
out of 10, Brad, just because I
don't know that I can go really

1134
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,840
higher than that.
If you're already thinking about

1135
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,240
spending two grand on this
whiskey, you don't need my

1136
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,360
endorsement for it.
No, I, I, I will give my

1137
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,560
endorsement for it.
I think this is a nine out of 10

1138
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,520
value, Bob.
Wow.

1139
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:05,480
Like I know it's $2000.00 but if
I were to ever spend $2000 on a

1140
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,120
whiskey I know what I would be
spending it on.

1141
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,160
So like that.
Like for me that just once again

1142
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,800
I have not drank nearly as many
$2000 plus whiskeys nor has Bob

1143
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,960
as as have you David.
So like I am a OK with knowing

1144
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:27,080
that my score is based on a
smaller sample size, but for me

1145
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:31,240
I think this is a great value.
What I will say is in the scheme

1146
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,520
of in the grand scheme of like
30 year old single malts, you'll

1147
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,680
see a lot that are more
expensive than that.

1148
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,040
And I think this is frankly
better than a lot of more

1149
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,120
expensive single malts.
You know, I'm going to probably

1150
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,360
say value wise, value is
something I actually rarely

1151
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,800
asked to put that in review.
So I am actually, I feel much

1152
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,920
less qualified to talk about
monetary value than you guys

1153
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,640
because I'm actually often asked
to just ignore that.

1154
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Even if I want to factor it in,
I'll probably say 8 on this

1155
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,080
because I think this is a
whiskey that you're not going to

1156
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,200
be.
It's impossible to be

1157
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,080
disappointed with this whiskey,
right?

1158
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,200
This is a truly, truly special
whiskey.

1159
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,680
I think you can pay much more
for whiskey that's not nearly as

1160
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,000
good.
Frankly, it's great stuff. 1

1161
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,600
little plug I want to give, I'm
not paid by Bushmills by the

1162
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,400
way, I want to point out like I
did not accept money from

1163
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,800
Bushmills.
They sent me this.

1164
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,280
I have AI have a contact at the
PR, at their PR agency of

1165
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,240
record.
They sent me this.

1166
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,160
I'm very thankful for that.
But like I will you know, look

1167
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,280
at this like I do any other
liquid.

1168
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,000
One thing I like I will say is
you want, if you don't want to

1169
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,080
spend $2000.00, but you want a
really good well aged Bushmills,

1170
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,120
you know, Irish single malt.
If you are flying through

1171
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,640
different parts of Europe, go to
Duty free because Bushmills has

1172
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,280
a number of duty free like
special bottles.

1173
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,680
Many of them I think are like 21
years and they roll them out

1174
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,640
with some frequency and they
have like different expressions.

1175
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,760
I have yet to have a Bushmills
duty free exclusive that I

1176
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,920
didn't really like.
Some I like more than others.

1177
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,360
And I'm not saying that they're
like they're not like punching

1178
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,120
where this is, but they're
really good and they're like

1179
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,080
USD.
It's like 160 or 200 bucks,

1180
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,840
right?
And there's some really, really

1181
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,680
fun ones.
And I'm not saying they're all

1182
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,920
this good, but if you want to
have a really great Irish single

1183
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,040
malt experience and you want to
try some really fantastic

1184
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,720
Bushmills that you're, you know,
that is is different than like

1185
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,160
the 10 year, you're going to be
able to find it most like most

1186
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,040
liquor stores in the US.
If you're flying through Europe

1187
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,400
or you're flying
internationally, check out the

1188
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,000
duty free Bushmills 21 year duty
free exclusives I find are often

1189
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,120
worth it.
They're often the bottle that I,

1190
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,920
in coming back from Europe
especially or Ireland

1191
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,120
especially, will often regret
not getting more bottles of.

1192
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,120
What I hear you saying is
Bushmills has an incredibly

1193
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,840
well-rounded portfolio.
Yeah.

1194
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,880
Yeah, I mean, I would say, well,
I wouldn't say well-rounded

1195
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,640
because they're they, they
produce single malt, right.

1196
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,680
You have a lot of Irish
distillers that produce a lot of

1197
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,080
different styles of whiskey.
Some are producing single malt

1198
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,040
and Irish single pot still and
single grain.

1199
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,000
Like they're doing a lot of
different stuff.

1200
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,080
Bushmills is doing a lot with
single malt, right?

1201
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,080
So take that as you will.
But what they do, they do well.

1202
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,600
And it's, I want to point out
too that like there are about,

1203
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,200
there are around 50 active
distilleries in Ireland right

1204
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,880
now.
At one point there were only two

1205
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,040
and it was within like our
parents lifetimes and Bushmills

1206
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,399
was one of them, right.
And for a long time, Bushmills,

1207
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:32,240
like a lot of the highly aged
Irish single malt that you'll

1208
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,520
see these days released from
other brands is actually sourced

1209
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,600
from Bushmills.
Yep.

1210
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,920
And you see people putting their
spin on their own spin on it.

1211
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,120
And some of this whiskey's very
highly regarded and very well,

1212
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,200
well rewarded.
And it starts with really great

1213
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,960
bass distillate and Bushmills.
Their bass distillate's very

1214
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,560
good.
They produce good single malt.

1215
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,840
They know what they're doing.
You know 100.

1216
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Percent, Brad.
I'm coming out to a 44 out of 50

1217
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,680
on this one and it's because my
my value score is a little bit

1218
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,240
lower.
If I had given it the 10 out of

1219
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,399
10, I'd be at what, 46 1/2 out
of 50 on this.

1220
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:03,720
Where are you sitting on this
one, Brad?

1221
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,680
You called it man 46 1/2 out of
50.

1222
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,800
All right, David, I did not do
the honors of tallying up your

1223
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,160
score.
We're going to be on the lookout

1224
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,720
for your print review of this
sometime soon with, you know, a

1225
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,000
proper attribution of film and
whiskey, of course and the and

1226
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,960
and the check in the mail,
obviously so.

1227
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,319
And then, well, that's the
that's royalties.

1228
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,200
This is a film podcast.
I was going to say.

1229
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,120
That it would be a check from us
to him to be.

1230
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,720
Exactly.
We're coming out to an average

1231
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:38,279
of a 45.25 out of 50 or a 90.5
out of 100.

1232
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,160
This has hit the 90 mark, Brad.
That is a, that is rarefied air

1233
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,399
here on film and whiskey.
You know, we've done it 500 plus

1234
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:49,359
reviews now and I think we've
only had maybe 5 or 6 ever hit

1235
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,560
the 90 mark.
Yeah, I I was about to say I'm

1236
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,920
pretty.
I know for a fact it's less than

1237
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:55,640
10.
Yeah.

1238
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,760
Yeah, the at the end of the day,
like if you get the chance to

1239
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:06,240
try Bushmills 30 or Iris single
malt, do it like I like.

1240
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,760
I don't.
I can't imagine a seasoned

1241
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,840
whiskey drinker or even a novice
whiskey drinker who's not, who's

1242
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,240
not going to be able to
appreciate this W100.

1243
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,200
Percent, I think.
I think that's what blew me away

1244
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:23,280
is that this is the most perfect
combination of like complex and

1245
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,160
approachable.
Approachable 100%.

1246
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,280
And I think the best way to
describe it is crush ability.

1247
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,240
I like David.
We might steal that word and.

1248
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:34,400
I stole it.
I stole it from my friend Mark,

1249
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,840
right?
Like, I have no original

1250
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,640
thoughts.
I just RIP off you guys and my

1251
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,640
friends.
But it's so crushable.

1252
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,440
It's so crushable.
Not that we would ever endorse

1253
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,160
drinking to excess.
No.

1254
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,520
Sure.
But crushing?

1255
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,440
Yeah.
You know, You know what else is

1256
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,000
crushable, Brad?
What's that, Robert?

1257
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,880
All those guys that get crushed
by a sandworm at the end of Dune

1258
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,080
Part 2 dude.
What I let?

1259
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,440
Let's get into it.
I've thought, all right.

1260
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,160
Man.
All right everybody, that was

1261
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:12,240
Bushmill's 30 year single malt,
one of the best whiskeys we have

1262
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:17,160
ever drank on this podcast, and
it is easily paired with the

1263
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,040
greatest sandworms that we have
ever seen in a film.

1264
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,000
Well, now I'm rethinking that
transition.

1265
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:29,000
So Brad, let's get into our game
for the day, which we call 2

1266
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,520
facts and a falsehood.
Brad.

1267
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:37,240
Is going to try to stump your
ball and what is wrong?

1268
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,120
2 facts and a.
Falsehood. 2 Facts and a

1269
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,600
Falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad presents me with

1270
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,120
three items as facts about the
making of this movie, one of

1271
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,880
which is a complete lie.
Brad, I'm doing pretty well on

1272
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,080
the season.
Am I at?

1273
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,240
What am I at now?
I think like 8:00 and 3:00.

1274
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,320
Yeah, sounds about right.
Something around there.

1275
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,280
Now we do have a guest today and
that what that means is that if

1276
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:07,640
I enlist David's help and we get
the question right, I get one

1277
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,760
victory, but if we get it wrong,
I get 2 losses.

1278
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,720
So we often end up at the end of
the season with more than 32

1279
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,320
points for our 32 weeks.
It gets very confusing, but it,

1280
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,880
you know, it's a system that is
meant to penalize me.

1281
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,440
Yes.
So David, I can tell you

1282
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,360
immediately I'm going to enlist
your help because otherwise it

1283
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,560
makes for very bad audio by just
ignore the guest for 5 minutes.

1284
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,240
You also know more about Dune
than I do.

1285
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,160
So I feel like you are going to
be a a fountain of knowledge

1286
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,160
here.
Brad, why don't you hit me with

1287
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,880
your two facts and a falsehood?
Fact number one.

1288
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,440
To capture the ferocity of
Arakis sandstorms, the crew

1289
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:47,000
built a wind tunnel that could
generate speeds over 150 mph and

1290
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,160
mixed in with it, real desert
sand.

1291
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:54,040
Several cast members referred to
these shoots as the most intense

1292
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:59,240
exfoliation of their lives.
Fact #2 director Denis

1293
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,080
Villeneuve and cinematographer
Greg Grieg, Greg Fraser

1294
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,320
carefully scouted desert
locations and selected sites

1295
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,960
based on the precise curve of
the sand or the ideal alignment

1296
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,200
of sunlight.
Maintaining the untouched look

1297
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,280
at the landscapes required a
military level of discipline

1298
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,040
from the crew members, who were
instructed to move in tight

1299
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,120
single file corridors to avoid
disrupting the sand.

1300
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,440
Fact #3 Director Denis
Villeneuve envisioned Fayed

1301
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,880
Rotha Harkinen, played by Austin
Butler, as a blend of

1302
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,920
psychopathic killer, Olympic
level swordmaster Snake and Mick

1303
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,520
Jagger.
Interestingly, Jagger himself

1304
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,120
was once slated to portray the
character in Alejandro

1305
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,800
Jodorowski's ambitious but
unrealized Dune adaptation of

1306
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,120
the 1970s.
All right.

1307
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,280
Let me tell you what I'm
immediately targeting here,

1308
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:57,640
David.
So fact #3 what Brad will often

1309
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,160
do is he'll give 90% of a fact
and then add like a little

1310
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,000
phrase at the end to throw me
off.

1311
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,640
That is not true.
Bob, I do not often do that.

1312
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,120
I rarely do that.
And it pisses me off every time.

1313
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,800
And pisses.
You off so much that you think I

1314
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,960
often do it?
Sticks in my brain man, I know

1315
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,760
that.
I think it's pronounced

1316
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,280
Yodorovsky's Dune was
unrealized.

1317
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,880
I have no idea if Mick Jagger
was ever considered for that

1318
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,000
project.
There's a documentary about the

1319
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,040
making of that unmade movie, so
I I have not seen it.

1320
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,080
I have no idea about the Mick
Jagger of it all apart from that

1321
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,320
fact #1 sounds pretty made-up to
me. 150 mile an hour winds that

1322
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,800
they were dumping sand into.
Because, David, we've both

1323
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,280
worked.
We, we've both worked one of us.

1324
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,160
You, what am I saying?
You have worked with real

1325
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,920
actors.
I have never worked with real

1326
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,040
actors.
I have heard stories about

1327
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,040
people who work with actors.
Did you almost claim that you

1328
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,080
worked with?
Man, I was out on a limb there

1329
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,680
dude.
You sure were I?

1330
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:01,920
Had to pull that one back
quickly.

1331
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,200
I don't even know why I thought
that that was what should come

1332
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,200
out of my mouth.
I haven't been nowhere near

1333
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:14,160
actors in my life, Brad.
All that to say, I can't imagine

1334
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:19,000
much of A world where agents and
stars are getting themselves

1335
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,160
into a wind tunnel where they're
having sand blown at their

1336
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,720
corneas and talking about the
exfoliation fat.

1337
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,560
Like unless they had goggles on,
which they do in some parts of

1338
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,040
the movie, but that just seems
like something that probably

1339
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,840
didn't happen to me.
It also doesn't mean that

1340
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,160
Zendaya was in the thing.
Well yeah, that just means they

1341
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,440
dragged her double in there and
forced that poor girl to endure

1342
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,920
life altering cornea damage.
And we know that double s are

1343
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,720
treated so so well.
Wait, just to Brad, just to

1344
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,840
clarify, the first act is 150
miles an hour.

1345
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,120
Yes.
That's hurricane force, man.

1346
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,960
That's more than hurricane.
That's like, I think hurricane

1347
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,520
force stops like that's more
than that's.

1348
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,080
Are we?
Are we?

1349
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:06,720
Do you think that's the
falsehood?

1350
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,720
So the The thing is, the thing
about #3 is I think #2 is almost

1351
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,760
certainly correct, right?
Because I think it just needs

1352
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,520
like, I think that there had to
be have been discipline

1353
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,640
regarding like not disturbing
because like that makes sense,

1354
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,960
right?
I think that, like, was how the

1355
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,840
film was filmed.
Three.

1356
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,160
I kind of remember that.
I think I might be conflating.

1357
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,280
It's a little confusing because
in David Lynch's version, Vedra

1358
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,760
also is played by Sting, who, by
the way, does a really good job.

1359
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,200
Like, I really like that
performance.

1360
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,760
I thought it was really of all
the weird stuff in that movie.

1361
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,800
I was like, oh, this actually
was pretty well done, this.

1362
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,360
Kind of works, yeah.
This kind of works.

1363
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,920
So I feel like I'd heard that
about Mick Jagger, but like, I

1364
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:54,520
can't quite remember at the same
time, the 150 mile an hour.

1365
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,160
Like I don't think humans
survive 150 mile an hour winds,

1366
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,240
right?
Like 8000 mile an hour winds are

1367
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,000
like you.
You like dying though.

1368
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,720
Like you're just dead.
You know what I mean?

1369
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,880
Like I think.
I think #1 would have worked if

1370
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,680
it had been like.
Like. 75 miles an hour.

1371
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,240
I would have been like, Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, 100. 150 does sound

1372
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:23,200
instantly fatal.
I think that's just lethal like

1373
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,080
so, and I think we would have
heard about that like entire

1374
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,440
cast of Dune killed cause of
really bad decision.

1375
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,120
When they make a horror film
based on that wind tunnel.

1376
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,880
We've essentially created a sand
blaster at that point.

1377
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,720
More like I think sand blasters
don't hit that volume.

1378
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,400
OK.
Are are we in agreement that

1379
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,920
we're going to go with #1?
Then I, OK, so I, I think #1

1380
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,400
here's the problem though.
I, I get all of the UPS, I get

1381
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,400
to share in the upside of a win.
But I, I, I have none of the

1382
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,000
repercussions of of getting it
wrong.

1383
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,400
But I will say #1 is my is what
I would suggest.

1384
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,920
I was leaning towards one
anyway.

1385
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,000
So David, that no fault falls on
you, I'm going to go with #1

1386
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,040
Brad.
And I'm going to lock it in as

1387
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,840
my final answer here.
I feel like I feel like you guys

1388
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,080
have beaten this one to death as
150 mile an hour wind tunnel

1389
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,560
would also do.
That is correct.

1390
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,840
It is the falsehood.
At any point in writing that

1391
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,280
falsehood, did you think to
yourself 150 sounds like a bit

1392
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,240
much?
Maybe I should.

1393
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:27,960
Maybe I should tone that down
you.

1394
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,280
Know, I've never lived in
Florida, I've never paid a ton

1395
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,040
of attention to hurricanes.
So no, I I didn't really think

1396
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,680
about it.
Yeah, I want you to next time,

1397
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,040
next time the weather report
says in your area you have 30

1398
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,720
mile an hour gusts step outside
just.

1399
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,320
Go outside, check it out.
Step outside, face in like face

1400
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:54,360
the wind, and go and go.
OK, five times this speed 100.

1401
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,560
And 50.
Baby, would I have a face if

1402
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,440
this hit one face?
Yeah.

1403
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,400
Like five times the speed and
sand, you know what I mean?

1404
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,720
Like.
It'd be like the end of Raiders

1405
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,560
of the Lost Ark.
The face is just melting off.

1406
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,720
Oh my gosh.
All right, guys, David did have

1407
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,880
to jump off of our call.
So Brad and I are going to

1408
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,360
finish out most of the episode
here.

1409
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,360
We'll bring David back in for
final scores.

1410
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,760
Brad, I want to jump back in
where we left off talking about

1411
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,840
this supporting cast.
And it's such a big cast that I

1412
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,000
think maybe let's just pick one
or two people that that blew our

1413
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,080
minds, starting with someone who
is very quickly becoming our

1414
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,120
person on this podcast, Rebecca
Ferguson.

1415
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,720
Dude.
I may have she's.

1416
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,640
So good.
I may have a crush on Rebecca

1417
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,920
Ferguson.
In fact, I think I probably do

1418
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,920
like she's She's really, really
beautiful and also an incredible

1419
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,880
actress.
I absolutely have a crush on my

1420
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,800
wife and that is the only person
I have a crush on.

1421
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,600
I mean it's.
Not that you know that that kind

1422
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,480
of crush.
It's just like.

1423
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,640
Rebecca Ferguson is incredible
in this movie.

1424
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:05,880
She has this brooding intensity
within her that just screams

1425
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,200
when it's on screen.
I I mean.

1426
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,320
What an actress, What a
performance.

1427
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,840
I think one of the overarching
things that we've already talked

1428
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,560
about in this episode is like
this second film in the

1429
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,000
franchise, to me is leaps and
bounds better than the first

1430
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,200
movie and I.
So much better.

1431
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,560
I liked the first movie quite a
bit.

1432
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,800
That's like an 8 out of 10 for
me.

1433
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,840
This.
It does everything better,

1434
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,400
including being a little more
Hollywood, right?

1435
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,360
Like, there's a lot more punch
lines, there's actual jokes and

1436
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,000
laughs, and a lot of them come
from Javier Bardem and some of

1437
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,400
them come from Josh Brolin.
But even Rebecca Ferguson, for

1438
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,720
as eerie and creepy and dark and
sometimes evil as she is, they

1439
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,560
play that for laughs a couple
times.

1440
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,760
Like the way she cuts people off
and uses the voice, or the way

1441
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,560
that she's just like walking
around the halls talking to her

1442
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,120
unborn baby.
It's kind of funny sometimes.

1443
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,840
And I think that Villeneuve
recognizes that to his credit.

1444
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:05,120
Yeah, and he implements her for
the absolute most impact that

1445
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,840
she could have had in this
movie.

1446
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,280
A. 100% So we started talking
about Javier Bardem.

1447
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,640
I I personally believe this man
should be nominated for an

1448
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,000
Academy Award for this movie.
It is exactly what a supporting

1449
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,720
performance is supposed to be.
He's so funny, he's so over the

1450
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:26,040
top at parts, but he also has a
believability and a real

1451
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,080
emotional depth.
You know, there's a moment where

1452
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,640
he's been wounded in battle and
he's talking to Paul about, hey,

1453
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,560
you should just kill me and then
go talk at the council and he's

1454
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:36,960
because.
Killing him would make him the

1455
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,640
leader, right?
And he's like, man, you know, I

1456
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,280
don't believe in any of that
prophecy stuff.

1457
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,560
And he's like, I don't care if
you don't believe in it.

1458
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,640
I believe in it.
And it's one of the like to see

1459
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,160
this character who's been
portrayed at times as kind of

1460
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:57,480
like the fanatic who is also a
buffoon, be able to impart on

1461
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,440
the audience I'm not a buffoon.
I really believe this.

1462
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,880
And it's OK if you don't believe
it because I have faith in you.

1463
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,040
It it's just a real, it's a more
nuanced performance than I think

1464
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,560
it's gotten credit for.
I think it's the best

1465
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,440
performance in the movie about
like, I think he does such a

1466
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,000
stellar job of everything that
you said.

1467
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,240
Like he plays things for laughs.
He knows that he's a mentor

1468
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:26,440
figure in Paul's life and he
takes that so seriously.

1469
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,760
And the belief with which he
looks towards Paul, like it like

1470
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,800
once again, like I said earlier
about Zendaya, like his eyes

1471
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:41,680
communicate so much about who
this character is.

1472
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,800
I I was hoping we would get to
him soon because I I do think he

1473
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,880
is my favorite performance of
this movie.

1474
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:50,520
I feel like we're kind of
getting short shrift to the rest

1475
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,640
of the cast, but they're all
like uniformly very, very.

1476
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,120
Good.
They're so good, dude.

1477
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,000
Austin Butler.
Austin Butler.

1478
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,520
He has black.
Teeth not doing the Elvis voice.

1479
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,160
Yeah, it's pretty great.
OK, Brad, I do want to talk a

1480
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,960
little bit about the end of the
film, which I do think we have

1481
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,840
different reads on.
And in order to do that, I want

1482
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,560
to get to my let's make it a
double.

1483
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,240
I won't do the little spiel
here.

1484
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,520
We'll do that when it's time for
years.

1485
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,960
But I'm going to pair this movie
up with the Godfather Part 2.

1486
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:22,160
Now we have not done Godfather 2
on this podcast, so I'm I've

1487
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,720
kind of seen.
It so don't spoil it, yeah.

1488
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,920
I'm well so the arc of the main
character Michael Corleone

1489
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,920
across the 1st 2 Godfather
movies.

1490
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:37,000
It's intended to be taken as one
arc and you see from the the

1491
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,000
young upstart in the 1st movie
who doesn't want anything to do

1492
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,520
with the family business to then
becoming the godfather at the

1493
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,880
end of the first movie.
You see the moral decay of

1494
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,600
Michael across the second film,
and it's a much darker movie

1495
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,400
than the first one is.
It's much more sad.

1496
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,560
It's it's really does play on
the level of tragedy because

1497
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,920
it's intercut with the story of
Marlon Brando's character when

1498
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,000
he was young and 1st coming to
America.

1499
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,160
And so you watch the
juxtaposition, Brad, of Michael

1500
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,880
alienating his family and kind
of ruining the legacy of his own

1501
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:14,760
family, interspersed with Brando
doing everything for his family

1502
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,600
and like, right, making them
rise to power.

1503
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,080
And I think that this movie is
really similar in how it does

1504
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,480
that arc with Paula Tradies
because by the end of the film,

1505
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:29,760
what you've seen is a really
complex portrayal where you can

1506
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,320
take multiple readings of it.
Is he a conniver?

1507
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:40,360
Has he just done all of this to
further advance himself and or

1508
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:42,640
ensure his survival, which has
been what he's been saying the

1509
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,000
whole time?
But then you also see moments

1510
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,040
throughout the film where he's
legitimately concerned for the

1511
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:54,000
well-being of the Fremen in not
going South because he knows

1512
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,600
it's going to cause death.
And then it just kind of gets to

1513
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,240
a point where it seems like it's
inevitable.

1514
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:03,200
It is his fate to go South, to
become the Lisan Al Gaib and

1515
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,320
truly lean into what is his
destiny and fate, knowing that

1516
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,320
it will kill millions or perhaps
trillions of people.

1517
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:16,560
And I think that it's it's a
portrayal of a heroic character

1518
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,960
that we haven't seen since
movies in the 70s, like The

1519
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,080
Godfather, where your
protagonist, you know, it's I

1520
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,240
don't want to compare it to like
Breaking Bad because I don't

1521
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,520
think he becomes the actual
villain of the story.

1522
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:33,520
But you could feel the energy in
the theater of like, oh, God,

1523
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,240
like Paul is Paul is starting
the jihad at the end of this

1524
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,560
movie.
Like this is this is not where I

1525
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,680
thought this was going to go.
He is declaring war on the

1526
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,720
entire Galaxy.
What the Hell's going on here?

1527
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,360
Is this good?
Is this bad?

1528
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,640
These people certainly seem to
appreciate it.

1529
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,640
But we know that it's going to
cause death and destruction.

1530
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,160
And so I'm I'm really interested
to hear your read on the end of

1531
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,440
the film.
Do you see it as uplifting from

1532
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,960
the point of view of the Fremen,
or do you see it as a a big

1533
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,760
blinking red warning sign for
the character of Paul?

1534
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,600
I think I saw it as like
inevitable, like I, I don't

1535
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,600
think at any point in the film I
ever doubted that he was going

1536
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,760
to go South and become the least
on Al Gaid.

1537
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:23,040
But like that, that felt in,
like I said, inevitable to me.

1538
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:29,440
I don't think I see it in terms
of good and evil per SE.

1539
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:36,200
Like for me it it feels like
Paul as a character isn't

1540
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,000
actually concerned about
survival that that never seemed

1541
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,520
to be some his own survival that
never seems to be his thing.

1542
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,880
Like, oh, I have to survive.
Like his whole motivation for

1543
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,720
the first half of the film is
revenge for his father.

1544
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,720
And as he learns the ways of the
Fremen and falls in love with

1545
01:26:55,720 --> 01:27:02,360
Chani and with the Fremen
culture as a whole, like he then

1546
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,600
wants to become the savior of
the Fremen.

1547
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:09,400
And so it feels like a trans, a
transformation of his

1548
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,640
motivation.
And the only way to truly free

1549
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:18,240
the Fremen is to take on the
entire Galaxy because of the

1550
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:22,720
value that spice has that the
only way to bring freedom to the

1551
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,280
to the planet is to control the
entire Galaxy.

1552
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,760
And so I, I, I guess I just
don't, I don't really see it in

1553
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,120
the same way that you do.
Interesting.

1554
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,000
Yeah.
I'm, I'm surprised that, well, I

1555
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,960
don't want to say that you're
taking a surface level reading

1556
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,000
of it 'cause I don't mean it in
a negative way.

1557
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,640
I'm surprised that you're
reading it on its face so much

1558
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,640
though, because I, I think that
the movie really is

1559
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,360
interrogating the questions of
like, is this inevitable or was

1560
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,360
this manufactured?
Did they pull so many strings to

1561
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:54,240
make him become the Lisan
Algaeb, even if he does have

1562
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,960
these powers as a result of
drinking worm piss, Like, is he

1563
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,520
really fulfilling a prophecy or
is this sort of a, you know,

1564
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,880
Macbeth self fulfilling prophecy
kind of thing?

1565
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,720
And I do think that there is a
lot of kind of Shakespearean

1566
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,840
ambition and perhaps folly in
the Paula Treaties character.

1567
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,720
And so you're right, I do think
that it's inevitable.

1568
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,720
Like at no point do you think,
oh, I wonder if he's actually

1569
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,120
going to go South.
But it is inviting you as the

1570
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:23,080
viewer to question, like, even
if this is his destiny, are we

1571
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,800
supposed to just, are we
supposed to root for it?

1572
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,600
Or are we just kind of helpless
bystanders watching the collapse

1573
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,880
of the universe here?
Yeah, I mean, the the way the

1574
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,240
film portrays it, though, is
that the Fremen have a better

1575
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,640
culture than the spacefaring
races that have enslaved them.

1576
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,960
And for me, it seems like more
of a battle of like Paul

1577
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:54,160
learning to understand and love
that culture and then fighting

1578
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,920
on its behalf.
Like I, I, I don't know if

1579
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,520
that's a surface level reading
or not.

1580
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:59,440
Maybe it is.
No.

1581
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,600
And I again, I'm not trying to
insult like I'm not saying

1582
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,360
you're taking a.
I'm just saying like, I just

1583
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,200
want you to know that I'm not I,
I didn't mean it in a negative

1584
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,720
way.
No, I know dude.

1585
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:13,840
I I think that I like the big
stories like I, I don't.

1586
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:22,600
I like the grand operatic
narrative of a hero rising to

1587
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:28,720
the occasion, rising from the
ashes like a phoenix to save a

1588
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,400
people group to make the Galaxy
a better place.

1589
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:36,160
Now once again, David probably
knew the IPA million times

1590
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,080
better than us.
And maybe the entire thing ends

1591
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,160
with the Galaxy falling into
ashes and every single human is

1592
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,120
killed.
I like who knows.

1593
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,520
I just think that if you take
Dune 2 on its own merits, I

1594
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,600
think the story ends in a place
where belief in the prophecy

1595
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:03,720
triumphs over cold, calculating,
manipulative scientific, you

1596
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,240
know, just desperate bid for
survival.

1597
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,440
Sure.
So, So what I'm hearing from

1598
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:14,040
Brad is it's OK to colonize as
long as you're really sure that

1599
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,040
your culture is the better
culture, right?

1600
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,920
Yeah, yeah, 100% cool.
All right, man, on that note,

1601
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,360
let's get into let's make it a
double for Brad presented by

1602
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,040
Blackwood Distilling Company.
We're.

1603
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,640
Near the end of the episodes of
Things, listening to the film

1604
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,680
and Whiskey Show, let's have
another film with this one, even

1605
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,880
if it's struggling, it's the
final segment of the day.

1606
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,520
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1607
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,400
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1608
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:42,880
to make the perfect double
feature.

1609
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,920
I've already picked Godfather
Part 2.

1610
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,160
Brad, I'm really interested to
hear what you'd like to pair

1611
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,640
this one up with.
Man, I I feel like you could go

1612
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,680
a ton of different directions.
I normally don't like to pair it

1613
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,480
with a movie we mentioned, but
we we barely mentioned it.

1614
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:01,880
I'm going to pair this with the
Matrix.

1615
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,800
I.
Like I think that I I wanted to

1616
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,240
stay in the sci-fi vein for
let's make it a double and I

1617
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,040
think that the matrix is a one
of the greatest sci-fi movies

1618
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,480
ever made.
And BI think that you have those

1619
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:22,360
similar ideas of struggles with
being the one, right?

1620
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:27,680
Paul is the one of Dune, Neo is
the one of Matrix, and you have

1621
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:32,400
really interesting lead
characters who struggle to come

1622
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,480
to terms with their identities
and their new powers and what

1623
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,760
that will mean for the world
around them.

1624
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,360
And I, I, I think that though it
would be a heck of a night.

1625
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,440
It'd be a very long night, but
it would be a heck of a night to

1626
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,160
watch those two movies.
All right, so I've paired it up

1627
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,680
with Godfather 2.
Brad has paired it up with The

1628
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,960
Matrix.
Whatever you choose to pair this

1629
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,120
movie up with, you can always
make it a double with Blackwood

1630
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,280
Distilling Company.
And if you go to

1631
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:02,760
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once again, that's bourbon

1632
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:07,920
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1633
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,320
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1634
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,480
Blackwood as well.
Brad, I think it is time for us

1635
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:15,560
to get into final scores on this
movie.

1636
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,440
So let's bring back David for
this.

1637
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,440
David, I'm going to throw to you
first.

1638
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,680
Where are you landing on Dune
Part 2?

1639
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,400
We're on a one to 10 scale.
Half points are allowed.

1640
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:30,240
Yeah, thank you. 8.5 for me.
Really, really enjoyed it.

1641
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:35,440
Not perfect, but I think it
should certainly be in award

1642
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:40,560
contention and I hope that it
can overcome the the handicap

1643
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,160
that I think a lot of hard
sci-fi faces when it comes to

1644
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,240
being taken seriously during
Movie Awards season.

1645
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,280
Yeah, 100%.
And the question we've been

1646
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,040
asking all season would you
consider this a modern classic?

1647
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,680
Yeah, I would.
I, I would for this.

1648
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,080
I think it's AI think it's a
classic for two reasons.

1649
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,600
One, I think it's a great
achievement in film, or at least

1650
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:05,960
a very, very good achievement in
film.

1651
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,680
And I think it is a really
fantastic.

1652
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:15,040
It's the interpretation of
storied, legendary IP that we've

1653
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,840
been waiting for.
All right, Brad, what are you

1654
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:21,160
thinking about this one?
Bob I think that the only way

1655
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:26,840
this would have been a perfect
movie is if when Paul confronts

1656
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:31,200
the emperor near the end of the
film, when they're like in his

1657
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,520
ship area before they take him
prisoner, if he had said

1658
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,480
something about his father and
how he killed his father.

1659
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,880
And then Christopher Walken
pulls a watch out and goes.

1660
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,840
I wore this uncomfortable hunk
of metal up my ass.

1661
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,120
Two years gave the speech.
I think that would have made

1662
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,520
this a perfect movie really
quickly.

1663
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,720
How did you feel about
Christopher Walken being in this

1664
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,160
film?
I.

1665
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,840
Thought he was great.
It was a it was a way toned down

1666
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,520
Christopher Walken, but they
they do a great job of capturing

1667
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,640
his weirdness as emperor.
There's a couple of guys you

1668
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,520
could have done this with, like
you could have gotten a Willem

1669
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,280
Dafoe if you wanted to.
But I think, dude, I think

1670
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:16,080
Walken's a great choice and he
he plays a guy with the burden

1671
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,880
of being emperor very well.
I agree with that.

1672
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:23,120
Yeah, there's one specific line
that he delivers right before

1673
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:28,680
the the fight between Paul and
Vedratha that I was like, oh,

1674
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,160
that was a bad line delivery.
Like like that was the one you

1675
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,760
chose, Denny.
Other than that, I think he was

1676
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,960
spectacular.
I'm actually in the same place

1677
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,240
as David on this.
I'm at an 8.5.

1678
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,880
Like I think it is stunning and
spectacular and I will watch

1679
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,160
this movie again.
You know, we didn't really talk

1680
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,960
about it much.
The the mixture of the

1681
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:59,320
cinematography and the sound
design of this movie is a 10 out

1682
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:04,120
of 10.
I mean, far and away one of the

1683
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:09,040
most beautiful and moving movies
I have ever seen in my life.

1684
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,800
The the problems with the movie
come with some of the dialogue

1685
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,080
and then at the end of the film,
Bob, I'm not going to lie, I

1686
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,680
think that there was way too
much stuff at the start.

1687
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,880
I really wish there was more
battle.

1688
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,840
Like you see the sandworms come
in, it's freaking awesome.

1689
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:35,040
And then you don't see anything,
anything of the main battle.

1690
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:39,720
And that, like I'm here for the
spectacle, I'm here for the

1691
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,720
Battle of Helms Deep.
I was just going to say.

1692
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,520
You're expecting a Helms Deep
like it's set up where you're,

1693
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,560
you understand where they have
all these guys surrounded from.

1694
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,920
And when the sandworm comes in
from that cloud of dust, it is

1695
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,160
the coolest shot in a movie I've
seen this year.

1696
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,680
But you're right, they give you
about 30 seconds of the fight

1697
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,760
and then they cut away.
And then that way it's much more

1698
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,880
akin to Pelinor Fields than it
is to Helms Deep because it just

1699
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,360
feels like the fights over
immediately.

1700
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,840
Yeah, yeah, and you know, Palmer
Fields great battle scene, but

1701
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,840
they had another battle, the
black gate battle scene to get

1702
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,360
to and and a ton of other stuff
in this movie.

1703
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,480
It's like this is what we've
been building towards.

1704
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:22,520
And the exact same problem
happens in the fight with him

1705
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,320
and Fayed Rotha.
Like for for one of the best

1706
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:32,400
choreographed and sound designed
fights I've seen in a long time.

1707
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,680
You can't have Paul kill Fayed
Ratha off screen.

1708
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,600
I want to see him stab that
blade.

1709
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,680
I don't understand how he
executed that maneuver, and I

1710
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,480
don't understand how he got
gutted like a fish and then was

1711
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,280
just like, all right.
Totally fine, let's.

1712
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:52,200
Let's game plan some more here.
And and then he guts Fayed Ratha

1713
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,280
in the exact same way that he
just got stabbed, and yet Fayed

1714
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,280
Ratha dies.
Immediately lethal, Yeah.

1715
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:02,240
And so it's like a few things
like that, that I'm like, like

1716
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,880
this is an 8 1/2.
That was like a few things away

1717
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:10,720
from being like a 10 out of 10.
I think that this movie is

1718
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,360
almost hitting the ceiling.
It can hit.

1719
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,040
And I'm also at an 8 1/2 Brad,
which is, I don't think we've

1720
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,080
ever been in lockstep like this
with our guests.

1721
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,960
But I remember sending you,
like, screenshots of my ratings

1722
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,400
of this movie earlier in the
year.

1723
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,800
And you kind of made fun of me
after the second or third time I

1724
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,400
went to see this in the theater.
And you're like, it seems pretty

1725
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,360
solidly like it's an 8.5 for
you, dude.

1726
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,520
And I can't quite put my finger
on it.

1727
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,320
I think it's that I'm, I'm more
impressed by this movie than I

1728
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,760
am in love with this movie.
Agreed.

1729
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,640
It's an incredibly impressive
feat of movie making.

1730
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,800
I think part of the reason it
hasn't gained the Oscars

1731
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,400
traction this year is that
everyone is impressed by it on a

1732
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,760
craftsmanship level.
But I don't know if it really

1733
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,560
has captured many people's
hearts.

1734
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,080
And that's what's keeping this
from being a Lord of the Rings

1735
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,400
for me.
So I'm in an 8.5, you're in an

1736
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,800
8.5.
IMDb 8.5 out of 10 Brad.

1737
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,560
Oh my goodness.
There you go.

1738
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,280
Yeah.
I was going to say it like, it's

1739
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:10,120
hard for sci-fi to capture your
heart because kind of the whole

1740
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,080
purpose of sci-fi is to stay
away from the heart.

1741
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:18,360
And so it's like, yeah, like,
this is the ceiling, I think,

1742
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:22,320
for a grand, operatic sci-fi
movie.

1743
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,160
We do want to say thank you once
again to our friend David Thomas

1744
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,560
Tao.
We're sorry that he had to drop

1745
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,920
off before the end of the
episode, but as you know, we be

1746
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,600
talking on this podcast.
Right.

1747
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,960
Don't you know?
I would say this is this is one

1748
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,280
of our longer episodes.
Bob it.

1749
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:37,800
Sure.
Well, we had like a 30 minute

1750
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,760
whiskey review too, because that
whiskey, that's true.

1751
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,400
Really damn good.
So folks.

1752
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:46,480
It was really it was really
daggone good and like David is a

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premier whiskey taster and
judge.

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Next week we will be back with
Mad Max Fury Rd., a movie that

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Brad has not seen that exists on
Earth but I think is a great

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follow up to Dune because it is
kind of like soft sci-fi Brad.

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Yeah, yeah.
I'm super excited for it.

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It's one of those films that
like slipped out of my grasp

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like once it was out of theaters
and I just never got around to

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it.
And then we started the podcast

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and I was like, well, we'll,
we'll watch it eventually.

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So here I am, a week away from
reviewing Mad Max Fury Rd.

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We'll be back next week with
that one, but until then, I'm

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Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we'll see you next time.