Collateral / Johnny Drum Private Stock

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2004 director, Michael Mann and
star.

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Tom Cruise asked the And one of
the most important questions

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that they could think of is Tom
Cruise, still sexy, even if he

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has the world's worst died.
Job in 2023, we try a Kentucky

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bourbon of mysterious origin.
The film is collateral.

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The whiskey is Johnny drum
Private Stock and we'll review

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them both.
This is the filming we will see

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are kicking off the
last mini series of season 6

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brat.
You know what?

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This mini Serie this movie
specifically made me ask myself

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the question of Bob.
What's that?

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Why are we doing?
Just an entire season of Tom

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Cruise?
Oh my gosh!

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You know what?
I keep trying to like throw you

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a bone, and give you more Tom,
Cruise movies and its really

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backfiring.
Because every non cruise week,

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you keep mentioning Cruise.
Like, like, I feel like there's

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been three or four times.
We've had a guest on, and you've

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been like, you know what, Jeff
Bridges, and The Big Lebowski

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reminds me of reminds me of Tom
Cruise.

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It's like how, how does that
remind you Tom Cruise, Brad.

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You know what?
The crazy thing is.

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I don't think that my Crews
Obsession started until like,

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well into the podcast, like,
like, before we started the

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podcast, I like Tom Cruise.
I like Ted, you tomorrow.

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You know, I enjoyed the mission.
Impossibles.

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I think, though, outside of that
I had may be seen, Like, Rain,

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Man, and Jerry Maguire.
And so it's not like, I was well

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versed in the crews in the
cruiser.

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Verse then, what about I've come
now to the point where I'm just

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like he is our greatest living
act, I don't know about that,

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but I was going to say, you
know, that's the thing with

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cruises until you really sit
down and start analyzing his

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movies, I think he's still just
flies under the radar as an

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actor and watching this movie,
I'm going to say something

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controversial Brad maybe outside
of the podcast but controversial

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just between you and me.
It made me.

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I have sad about Mission
Impossible and top gun Maverick

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because hmm he I don't want to
say he's comfortable now but

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it's pretty clear that at this
point of his career like he's

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just going to keep doing that
thing until it just doesn't work

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anymore.
Yeah.

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And I just, I mean, Miss Cruz
doing like, taking big swings as

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an actor.
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You know what I'm saying?
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No.
I mean we saw the same thing

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with Leo for years and years and
years like he was playing the

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exact same character in a bunch.
Of different roles incredibly

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well, so that he could win an
Oscar and it's like we haven't

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seen as much variety from Leo as
I think we could have if he had

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gotten his Oscar out of the way
early in his career and then had

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the freedom to take risks and
stuff when he was younger.

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But now he's basically, you
know, in the dirt and he'll

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never change in the dirt.
Jeez, what is he dead, close

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enough?
Right.

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I was like, 150.
Yeah, you know he's like Almost

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50 years old.
All right, so we're kicking

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things off this week with
collateral, like we said, it is

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the last mini series of the
season and we reserved this

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three weeks pan for our
listener, pick you met, you

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might have forgotten about this
listeners of film and whiskey.

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It's been like four months, five
months now, but early on, in the

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season, we offered up for
directors for you to pick from

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and the winner by a large margin
and heavily influenced by our

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friend movie critic.
Hmm.

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Daniel's y0.
And all of his The network is,

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Michael Mann and Brad.
I gotta say, like, I put Michael

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Mann on here because I think
over the last five, six years,

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especially there's really been a
man Essence in, like movie

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criticism.
There's a really good girl

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allowed to say that in 2023.
Yeah, there's a really loud and

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vocal contingent of movie
critics that just love Michael

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man.
They loved everything that he's

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about, I don't know man to
analyze.

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How existential his movies are
and to be frank with you, I

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wouldn't say it's good.
Would you say it's in kind of a

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similar like how people look at
Fight Club and like treat it?

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Like, it's this existential
Masterpiece of masculinity and

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stuff.
No, not so much because I think

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man Films are much more brooding
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use like there's a lot more
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least it gives the impression of
contemplation and I think that

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there's this a lot of dudes out
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And again I'm not trying to like
if Michael Mann is your thing,

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like awesome.
But I put him on this list

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specifically because I want
someone to come talk to me about

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Michael Mann and try to convince
me.

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Why?
He is as good as, as these

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people say he is because like,
would you You say that they are

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putting him on like an st or
he's up there with the greatest

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of all time and you're just kind
of saying like he's great, but

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not Scorsese Spielberg, you
know, Kubrick level of great.

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Yeah, for sure.
And, you know, next week, we're

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going to get into looking at the
movie Heat, which is pretty

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widely considered his
Masterpiece at this point.

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And that's really become an
object of veneration for these

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people.
And and so, like I said, you

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know, I try to make this
Available to people to come

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argue with me and try to
convince me because I want to

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learn more about Brad.
I spent like the whole day

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reading these highly academic
books about the philosophy of,

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Michael Mann, in the cinema of
Michael Mann.

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And dude, like, I just, I don't
know if he's for me, I'll say it

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like that, you know?
I'm saying, like his movies are

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good.
I'm going to give this movie a

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good score.
It is a good little Thriller of

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a movie, but I just don't know
if there's that much there.

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Beneath the surface for us.
To talk about.

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Yeah, well, I mean it's it's
like you read the article about

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this movie that's, you know,
might be fawning over it or over

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him as a director and then you
think about what you experienced

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watching the movie and the two
things just don't match up.

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Is that kind of what you're
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Yeah I just I just don't think
it's that deep Bro.

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You know what I mean?
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Like I mean I don't want to like
spoil our entire take but I

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think that you're right.
This is a fun little action

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thriller that As moments of
like, genuine deep thought about

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what it means to be a human and
I think that the moments are

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perfectly timed their, they
don't take up too much space in

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the movie there, just enough to
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the film and I think if they
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have detracted from what he was
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But I don't think that that
makes this, you know, a 9 and a

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half out of ten type of movie.
I just, it's a really fun crazy

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little a Action movie.
Yeah.

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All right.
We're going to get into talking

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about that movie now because it
is time for us to Pivot into

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Brad explains.
This is the part of the podcast,

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where Brad breaks down the plot
of the movie that he has just

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seen often for the first time
Brad.

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I know this was your first time
seeing collateral, but is it

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also your first, Michael Mann,
film?

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Oh, I am pretty sure that it is.
Wow.

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Okay.
I would have to, I would have to

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look down his list, which I
actually have right here because

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I was doing Research.
I don't think I have seen any of

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his movies.
There you go, or even like his

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TV shows that he's done.
Well then, my master plan is

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working out very well because I
thought this would be a really

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good entry point into Michael
Mann, heat, which will watch

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next week, is a movie that it
takes a lot of the themes of

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this movie and expands on them.
There's a lot more

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contemplation, it's a lot more
existentialism, it's three hours

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long.
So I was like, I don't want to

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start with heat.
Let's start with collateral.

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Cyril and kind of work our way
back to that.

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And then we're going to wrap
things up with The Last of the

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Mohicans, which is again, our
friend.

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Daniel is why o is going to join
us for that.

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It's his favorite movie of all
time and it's very different

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than a movie like this or like
heat.

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So I'm excited to talk about
that but I figured we needed to

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set the stage with these kind of
you know Urban existentialist

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dramas that he does and we're
kicking it off with collateral.

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So Brad you've got 60 seconds on
the clock to break down the plot

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of this.
This movie and go Bob.

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That is the first time you've
ever just completely skipped

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explaining what Brad explains
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But that's okay.
I don't need much time here.

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Collateral is a film about a
taxi driver named Max and a

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Hitman an assassin named Vincent
and the film is about how

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Vincent gets into Max's cab
takes him to the first location

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and a body falls out of the off
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Max's taxi and he is drawn into
this plot where he has to make

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five stops throughout the night.
Kill five people, there's an FBI

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Nets that is slowly closing
around them as Max learns that

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they're actually killing off.
Informants to the FBI, and

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that's about it man.
They go on a journey, it's

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pretty crazy, nice.
I mean that, yeah, that's the

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plot of the movie, it's really,
there's not that much happening.

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They know they try to introduce
a pretty contrived or not

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contrived but like convoluted
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DA's office and these people
That Vincent is trying to kill

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and who the cops are after.
But essentially, it's just two

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guys in a cab talking about life
and wouldn't, you know, it

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they're more alike than you
would think that they are.

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All right, so before we get off
the topic of, Michael Mann,

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let's set the stage a little bit
for the next three weeks.

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And I guess I'll say this, you
know, from what I know about,

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Michael Mann, here are the
things to look for when we talk

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about, you know, a directors,
kind of signature style and The

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thing that I keep seeing pop-up
especially from people who loved

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Michael Mann is this theme of
people's relationship to their

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work and especially the way that
people's work becomes an

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obsession in their life and
gives them meaning in a chaotic

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world.
So you're going to see this like

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next week in heat where I mean
it's again it's about the

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interplay between a Gangster and
a cop and how they're more like

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than they seem and how their
work bleeds into their personal

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life and kind of takes Over like
it's a theme, we keep seeing but

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then he also infuses, you know,
I've said the word

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existentialism a couple times
now and man, I Brad if there's

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one thing I don't really want to
talk about in this podcast, it's

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existentialism.
But what you talking about, man?

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You think you were a theology
major.

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That's like your whole bit and
parcel I was trying to think of

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like, how do I distill down?
What I think, Michael, Mann

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movies are, and I if I could
make it into a meme, You watch

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the office?
We've talked about the office

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before announcer episode where
where what her Dwight keeps

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getting in trouble for like it's
you know the one where he sets

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the office on fire or it's the
one where he cuts the face off

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of the mannequin and is like
doing Hannibal Lecter.

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Fun fact both the same episode
oh there you go.

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Okay so they go to New York City
and then Michael Scott just

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looks out the window and he goes
this city.

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And then he like goes into
whatever else you'd saying.

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Yes that's Michael man.
It's just people in these empty

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sprawling Urban environments
where the emptiness and

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disconnection of the modern
American city is a reflection of

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their own emptiness and
disconnection and they're trying

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to connect with it.
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Christopher Nolan you know,
borrows so heavily from Michael

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Mann and especially from heat
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trilogy.
Like it's a very obvious

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connection.
So, I mean, I guess, look at

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Michael Mann through the lens
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Chris Nolan's, Batman.
That's your, that's your entry

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point.
And that's our entry point into

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talking about this movie, Brad.
I want to know where you want to

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go with this.
Do you want to talk about your

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boy, Tom Cruise?
Do you want to go a little bit

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deeper on the Michael, Mann
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Like, where should we start
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I think it's worth talking a
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Mann stuff.
All right, here, you do it.

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Yeah, I'm curious what you think
about him, especially in terms

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of the cinematography of this
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Because for me, like, there are
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sequences that really work.
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feel like they have about like
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them, where they just, he drags
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The scene a little bit too long,
and there's nothing really

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adding to the tension.
Does that make sense?

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Yeah, I think so.
That's more of an editing thing

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than it is, like the actual like
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But this movie was pretty
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the first movies to really dive
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photography.
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known for being super stylized
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early years of Miami Vice and
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heat.
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that.
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him into wanting to use.
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digital.
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weirdly looks like a relic of
2004 because of that, like, I

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think digital cameras have come
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up and what they can't or what
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Like it looks very camcorder e.
Now by today's standards, right?

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But I'm with you man, I think
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doesn't have the the beauty The
of a movie like heat, but I

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think that works for the story
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It's a much more kind of like
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Gritty action thriller.
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But I'm interested to hear what
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editing of it.
It sounds like you think that

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there there's moments of this
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probably trimmed down.
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think a classic example of that
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when they're at the bar and, you
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Is and so on and so forth.
And Tarantino is a master class

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in an of himself of ratcheting,
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movies.
But what happens in this film is

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Jamie Foxx gets sent into this
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And he he and Vincent are going
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mobster essentially and they're
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And Man shows the LAPD detective
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he shows the FBI going into the
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You know, guns drawn and stuff
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going into the club to try and
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I don't even remember like
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Vincent doesn't do the job.
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It's convoluted essentially, he
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going into this highly populated
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happen?
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straight, it's just shots of
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Vincent walking through it, Mark
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FBI people walking through it
and then more shots of, you

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know, Jamie Foxx walking through
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And it's, it's like you've
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They're all in the same room,
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And then, let's do that over and
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minutes, there's nothing that
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makes it more dangerous for Any
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just the same tension for three
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of people dancing at a club.
And I was just like, oh this is

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supposed to be really tense, but
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quickly.
You know, that's really funny.

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You said that there was a few
reviews of this movie that I

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looked up that kind of took
Michael Mann to task as a guy

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that doesn't know how to direct
action that well, and I've never

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heard that before.
But watching it in this movie, I

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think I'm with you a little bit.
It did some don't want to say

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it's like Incoherent, but
there's, there's lots of

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movement, with, not a great
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it seems like, oh, you can
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over somebody else's shoulder
somebody's on that side of the

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room like and then that person
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person comes in the room and you
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anymore and it just kind of
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to re-establish the geography.
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mess.
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the final shootout between Queen
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happens so quickly and with, so
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pulled me out of the ending of
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I thought that they could have.
That's, that's a moment where

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they could have taken a beat to
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they're on opposite sides of a
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they're kind of looking at their
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each other, and it's a great
little moment, and I feel like

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you could have added one little
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staring into their own
reflection as A shoot it, you

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know, to drive home these
thematic Point, you're trying to

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make but also just to ratchet up
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doesn't do it.
Can I also say that I'm normally

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not this guy like I let movies
be what they want to be, but the

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one thing of realism that really
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exact scene you're talking about
that, shoot out where they're

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like five feet from each other
in a very enclosed metal car.

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I'm like they have this
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Tom Cruise goes to reload.
Have any more ammo and he sits

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down because he got shot and
he's gonna die and they have a

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really nice quiet moment
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And and I love the ending line
for Tom Cruise, where he calls

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back to the man who died on the
MTA and wrote it for like, you

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know, six hours before somebody
realized he was dead and it's a

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beautiful moment.
However they just fired about

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probably 20 to 30 rounds between
the two of them in a very He

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tightly enclosed space that
without any ear protection.

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They would not.
They would have been screaming

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at each other.
I was gonna say, yes.

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Speaking in Whispers, right?
Yeah, exactly.

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Like Tom Cruise has this
beautiful quiet moment that

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neither of them would have been
able to hear.

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That's all right man.
Let's talk about performance.

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As we've gone too deep on these
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I want to pull back a little
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Let's talk about Tom Cruise,
this is Tom Cruise.

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I don't want to say at Peak Tom
Cruise because that was probably

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Mid to late 90s but for me it's
him coming off of one of his

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best periods as an actor, right?
Like even if you go back and

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count Magnolia in 99 with Paul
Thomas Anderson and then into

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Vanilla Sky, with Cameron Crowe
which is a freaking weird movie

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but it was a huge swing into him
working with Spielberg on

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Minority Report and then this
movie leading back into another

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collaboration with Spielberg.
Like he really seemed like he

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was trying to stretch himself.
And work with the best possible

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filmmakers of the time.
And I just love that in the

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middle of that.
We get this Tom Cruise villain

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performance like how many Tom
Cruise villain performances have

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there ever been?
Yeah, I mean Haley asked me as

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we were watching it.
She was like, hold on a second.

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Has Tom Cruise ever died in the
movie and I like reflected on

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all the movies I'd seen.
And I was like, well,

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technically, an edge of
tomorrow, he dies, like, a

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billion times, right?
But he doesn't really die, but

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he, Don't really die.
So, like, will throw that out

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and I was like, I genuinely
don't think he's died in any

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movie, I've seen and sure
enough.

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This is the one that he dies in
second.

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I'm gonna take you to task for a
second Bob.

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Tom Cruise doesn't have a peek
to his career.

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His entire career is at a peak
is a peek.

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Thank you very much.
There we go.

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I think.
You're right, though, in saying

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that Tom Cruise playing a
villain.

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Feels like such an important
step for him as a character.

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Like I guess I can't really
think of any time that our other

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beloved Tom of the Hanks variety
has ever, like really truly

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played a villain and you've seen
more of his films.

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So maybe he has but Elvis baby,
I guess that's true.

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He waited till you know 2022.
So how important do you think it

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is for Leading Men?
To at some point in their career

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play.
Just just a cut-and-dried

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villain.
Like Tom Cruise is bad in this

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movie.
He definitely is slightly

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philosophical, but that makes
him no less evil.

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Hmm, no, I think it is important
just for You know what?

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I just for me.
I think it's a sign that the

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actor is not insecure.
Hmm.

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Yeah.
Like as a person like and and

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has a need to be liked and is
afraid that if they do something

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that's a little out of the
ordinary or a little daring that

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their career is going to end.
So it's kind of like when when

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LeBron left Cleveland and he
embraced his villain role and he

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sure did he didn't really have a
choice but he sure he embraced

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it after a while.
Like and again, that's it gets

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me back to the Leo thing that
you brought up earlier like

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Leo's.
Really been a villain has he?

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I said, oh Django.
He did Django.

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And that was a very villainous
villain.

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So I, you know, I was it really
though but it took until 2012 to

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do it.
But when you were asking me the

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question, the thought
immediately popped into my head

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of when we looked at the
Departed and how I always try to

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praise Matt Damon because Matt
Damon just seems like a guy who

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is an A-list actor who has none
of the ego or pretension of and

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A list actor like and is kind of
bland enough as a person that

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like, we don't even really think
of him as an ableist actor, but

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he really is, do you know what I
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Like, yeah, I don't mean to call
the guy Bland, but he honestly

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isn't cording publicity.
Yeah.

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And the fact that he could be
such a freakin slimeball in the

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darted, like, I think it says a
lot about him.

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Yeah.
Honestly, I think that if Mark

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Wahlberg didn't exist, we would
think of Matt Damon differently

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because, you know, Damon is also
a Boston guy, but Mark Wahlberg,

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like, is Boston and to the point
where it almost like kind of

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eliminates.
Matt.

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Damon's Boston - Matt Damon.
Feels like he's from Nebraska by

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comparison, I mean, yeah.
All right.

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Are you wrong in that
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Because no, not make sense to
me.

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Yeah, but I had to your
question.

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Go ahead, good.
But I'm with you.

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I think that Damon taking on,
not just the villain role but

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like a really sleazy cowardly.
Villain role is like a major

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step for him as an actor.
Yeah.

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And I think this is a big step
for Crews that he immediately

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decided like was a step too far
because he never goes back to it

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again and I guess this is where
I'll be the most controversial.

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I'll ever be about Tom Cruise on
our podcast Brad and it's still

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a compliment.
I think Tom Cruise is such an

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underrated actor that he's Good
in this movie.

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And I still think he might not
have been the right choice for

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this role.
Hmm, I don't know if that makes

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100% sense, but like he works
but I could see this working a

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lot better with somebody else.
All right, well if you're going

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to critique it you got to offer
a solution.

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Who are you putting in this
role?

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Well, I was trying to think of
back into 2004 Bob, you're

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listening to Green Day your, you
know, my in high school.

446
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Listen, if it looks like the
Green Day, sorry you're

447
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:59,500
listening to Meet me in st.
Louis, so you're the worst.

448
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:03,300
All right, I was trying to think
of people that would work and

449
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,600
and honestly you know, Cruz is
probably the best available

450
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600
choice because you know I think
like an Edward Norton would work

451
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,900
really well in this role but he
was a little bit young here.

452
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:15,000
I think honestly I think if you
want someone that's comparable

453
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,800
to a cruise in terms of star
power who can also play that

454
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:25,000
kind of like cold aloofness that
you need for this role and kind

455
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,400
of condescension I think Brad
Pitt.

456
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,500
Probably would have been a
better choice for this huh Brad

457
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,000
Pitt would be a great villain.
Here's the thing though.

458
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:40,400
I think that Brad Pitt has too
much of a this is going to sound

459
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,100
weird because I think you could
say this about Tom Cruise, I

460
00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:47,300
think Brad Pitt is like too
shiny and like to.

461
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:53,000
I don't think he could play The
Invisible Man as well as Tom

462
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,100
Cruise does like like Tom is
wearing the most Bland Race suit

463
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:02,000
with, you know, gray hair, and
like, he has just this toned

464
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:06,400
down this about his, his acting
that I don't know if you would

465
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,900
get from Brad Pitt.
Hmmm.

466
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Well, I mean, you know, agree to
disagree.

467
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,600
Luckily we really don't have to
entertain that too much, because

468
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,700
I think Tom Cruise is good in
this movie.

469
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,900
I just think that there's
moments where especially in

470
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:24,600
those monologues where I could
tell that this isn't something

471
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,400
that feels like it's coming from
within time.

472
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,900
Bruise.
It feels like it's it's coming

473
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:30,900
from a script.
Hmm.

474
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:31,900
Yeah.
I mean like there's just a

475
00:26:31,908 --> 00:26:36,800
certain level of disbelief that
I can't suspend with Tom Cruise

476
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,900
and I love the guy to death and
I'm glad he challenged himself

477
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,000
here.
But like this performance is

478
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,900
like a 8.5 out of 10 and I'm
just like, oh is there somebody

479
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,500
out there that could have been
like a 9.5 in this role?

480
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:54,000
Yeah, see I actually disagree.
I think that Tom has.

481
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,400
I think what makes him special
for this role.

482
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:02,700
Ole is his ability to be to
portray a cool calm collected

483
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,100
character all the way through to
the very end.

484
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:10,200
And I think that's what makes
his his monologue special, is

485
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,200
that the few moments, he shows a
little bit of emotion,

486
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,400
throughout our when he's talking
about what he believes about the

487
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,300
world and about humanity.
And it's just barely enough to

488
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:25,000
show that, like, this character
has a lot of depth, and I think

489
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,900
that Tom pulls that off and
Probably.

490
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,700
Well, all right on the other
side of things you've got Jamie

491
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:34,700
Foxx who is in this year
nominated for two Oscars, he

492
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,500
wins best actor for Ray.
He's nominated for best

493
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:41,000
supporting actor for this movie.
And again, I think this is at a

494
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:44,300
moment in Jamie Foxx's career
where people hadn't quite woken

495
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:48,200
up to the fact that he could do
dramatic acting very well, you

496
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,200
know, before this, he
collaborates with Michael Mann

497
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,500
in the movie Ali, and, and then
so, when people see him in re,

498
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,300
and then see him in this movie,
and especially, in this movie,

499
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:01,600
Where, you know, his characters
Arc is repressing his own, I

500
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,100
don't know, cowardice 4/4 3/4 of
the movie.

501
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,800
And then finally, you know,
stepping up to the plate.

502
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200
I guess in the last, you taking
ownership of his life in the

503
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,800
last fourth of it, it's really
great dramatic performance.

504
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,800
It's just really funny to me to
think about like, Jamie Foxx,

505
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,400
getting double Oscar nominated
and the same year.

506
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,500
Mmm.
And I think that, if he, if he

507
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,700
deserved anything Oscar related
from this movie, it That

508
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:30,300
conversation that he has with
Felix.

509
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:35,100
Yeah, Daddy are Bardem the
moment where he takes retail,

510
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,300
well, known even before that,
oh, you're right.

511
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:38,200
Go ahead, say what you're
saying.

512
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000
I was just going to say the the
moment where he slowly like

513
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,600
looks at the guy behind him and
he's like, tell your guy to put

514
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,100
his gun away before I beat his
with it, and he takes his

515
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:53,100
glasses glasses off.
It's like, oh snap.

516
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,300
And he gets the like I'm Jamie
Foxx, I'm cool.

517
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,100
As hell.
Look on his face, he goes from

518
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:02,700
being like a cowardly, kind of
sniveling guy to like, I'm at

519
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,300
least going to project
confidence and it's like, it is

520
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:10,500
such a great subtle shift in
like posture and facial

521
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,100
expression that conveys
intention.

522
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,800
It's a great performance, man.
Here's the the frustration for

523
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,200
me.
He never fully returns to that,

524
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,300
even as he's going to save the
girl and, you know, beat this

525
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,600
cold.
Blooded calculating you know

526
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,200
assassin.
He never fully returns to that

527
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,800
confident.
I'm like I am going to destroy

528
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800
you.
Yeah that look that he has in

529
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,400
that moment for me.
I think the movie would have

530
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,300
been so much more impactful if
he wasn't calling.

531
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:49,200
What was her name?
Annie?

532
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Yeah, played by Jada Pinkett
Smith if he wasn't calling you

533
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,100
out an enti.
You got two white.

534
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,700
Oh my gosh!
He's like if he was in full

535
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:04,200
control of the situation, if he
had a confidence that you would

536
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,900
have known wasn't necessarily
natural to him, but the

537
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,400
situation was calling him up to
deliver that confidence.

538
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,900
I like that would have been an
impactful movie for me in a way

539
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,600
that this just didn't quite
deliver because you only get it.

540
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,500
When he's pretending to be
Vincent, I wanted to see that

541
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:27,400
confidence transition from I'm
pretending to be Vincent to No,

542
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
I'm Max, And I Know Who I Am.
Mmm.

543
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,600
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think that's the

544
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000
Jamie Foxx fault.
I'm sure that the script called

545
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
for him, to kind of return to
that.

546
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800
So, I think Jamie Foxx is
incredible.

547
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
I just wish I just wish I had
seen more of that.

548
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,800
I like that take.
I'd I mean, I do think that it's

549
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
very telling that he doesn't go
back to it because that's not

550
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600
really him.
Like he still is scared and

551
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,100
figuring it out, and he doesn't
have to pretend to be in

552
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,800
control.
He's still like very much not in

553
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,500
control, and Vincents in
control.

554
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,700
And so I do like the he's able
to play both sides of that.

555
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,300
It reminded me a lot of his
performance in Django which is

556
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,300
really, really layered because,
you know, you've got Django

557
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:11,100
pretending to be this other
version of Django who is

558
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,900
confident, but this Django's not
confident and like I think Jamie

559
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:18,900
Foxx is really good at kind of
juggling all of that at one time

560
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Brad before we go to break,
there's two more people that I

561
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
think we really should touch on
here because there's not a lot

562
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,500
of people in this movie but it's
Jada Pinkett.

563
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:30,200
Smith and Mark Ruffalo.
And with Jada Pinkett Smith.

564
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,400
I've seen a lot of her movies.
I can't say that I've seen every

565
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,200
movie she's ever made, but I
will say that I do think this is

566
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,200
her best performance ever.
She really conveys, I mean that

567
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,100
first scene with her and Jamie
Foxx like the chemistry is off

568
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,500
the charts man.
It's really really great.

569
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Just kind of like I acting from
both of them because they're

570
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,900
just looking at each other in a
rearview mirror but they

571
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:56,400
establish a very believable
interest.

572
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,700
An infatuation and attraction
between the two of them that

573
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,000
then, you know, her character
becomes kind of the the cut and

574
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,100
paste.
I'm scared, I'm running away

575
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:07,300
from the bad guy at the end,
right?

576
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,500
But I still thought that they
gave her enough to chew on that.

577
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:12,700
She really did.
She was able to sink her teeth

578
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,300
into this role?
Yeah.

579
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,700
I liked her well enough.
I think this isn't even issue

580
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,900
with her performance.
I think it was just the obvious

581
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:25,700
setup of like, oh, the fifth
victim is going to be her and I

582
00:32:25,708 --> 00:32:29,700
don't know if they Of made it so
that you didn't realize that,

583
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,100
but it felt like such an obvious
move that for me.

584
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,400
It kind of took away from her
character, a tiny bit.

585
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,900
Hmm.
And once again this isn't that's

586
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,400
not a comment on her
performance.

587
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,100
I'm with you though.
I think that her opening

588
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:48,400
performance, her ability to
become vulnerable to Max it

589
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,900
portrays the the the
confidentiality of anonymity

590
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,900
that you find, you know, Taxi
cab drivers are famous for.

591
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:00,100
You know, you'll tell them any
things, you'll never see him

592
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,600
again.
And so, I think that they

593
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,200
portray that really well with
their interactions and it's like

594
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,100
believable.
It's the one thing that she

595
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:12,600
pulls off that I think is crazy.
Is that, by the end of their cab

596
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,200
ride, it's just almost
believable.

597
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,500
That she a high-powered.
L, a prosecutor would give a

598
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,600
taxi driver her number.
And like the fact that the fact

599
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
that she can pull that, At off.
Just barely, I don't know if I

600
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,400
fully believed it, but I went
along with it but the fact that

601
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,300
she can pull that off, I'm like,
okay.

602
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,100
All right, good job Jada.
All right.

603
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,900
And then finally Mark Ruffalo,
Mark Ruffalo was not super

604
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,000
famous yet here.
He was like on the edge of kind

605
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,100
of blowing up in a couple things
he'd been in some really well

606
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:47,900
reviewed.
Indie movies he'd probably want

607
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,500
a couple smaller awards at this
point I mean this comes out the

608
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,300
same year as Eternal Sunshine.
So like he's at that point in

609
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,700
his career.
I just really love seeing Mark

610
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,100
Ruffalo here.
And if there is one moment in

611
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,300
the movie, where the movie,
truly catches me off guard,

612
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800
spoiler alert for anyone who
hasn't seen it but it's one

613
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,100
ruffle his character gets killed
and that is a moment where I

614
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:14,800
loved the the brutality of how
they don't Linger on it at all.

615
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:16,900
It's like it happens in the
blink of an eye.

616
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,800
Really similar to The Departed.
You know, talking about

617
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,100
literally yeah.
I was literally about to say

618
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,300
it's very similar to The
Departed.

619
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,199
I actually as they Were walking
out as soon as they got

620
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,500
separated at the door a little
bit, I was like oh he dead.

621
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,199
He is so dead.
That bop bop bop that was like

622
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,600
yep.
That that's it.

623
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,100
He's gone now.
I don't know man.

624
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:41,199
What you think of the
performance?

625
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,699
I don't I mean I don't really
know if there's a lot there to

626
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:46,100
talk about.
It's kind of like there's a part

627
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:49,900
of this script and I think the
whole cop subplot gets really

628
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,199
contrived and really like, I
don't know, man.

629
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,699
It's just not that interesting.
It's pretty by the, by the

630
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,200
numbers.
And ruffalo's a good actor but

631
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200
like there's just not that much
there for him to do.

632
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:05,100
Well, I think that the place
where it gets contrived is that

633
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:09,100
they try to make like a little
bit of a rivalry between the

634
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,000
local cop and the FEDS, I think
that what would have made that

635
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:19,100
subplot work is by not making it
a subplot and just saying LAPD

636
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:23,100
is, you know, is working this
case and they're trying to

637
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,400
protect these people and that's
it.

638
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,700
Like, don't bring the feds in or
just make it all the feds and

639
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:32,300
leave the LAPD out of India.
Like Like don't make it a big

640
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:36,500
that part of it, a big deal,
just let there be this this, you

641
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,900
know, Patriot Act Anonymous
police force that is slowly

642
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,200
closing the net and you don't
have to spend much time with it

643
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,600
and I think that would have
worked much much better as far

644
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,700
as ruffalo's performance goes as
fine.

645
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,400
I don't think he had much to
sink his teeth into.

646
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,300
I will say that hair and makeup
did an incredible job because I

647
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,800
had no idea who it was until He
spoke.

648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,000
And I was like, oh, that's Mark
Ruffalo, that's Mark, right?

649
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,800
I legit had zero clue that.
That was him until he started

650
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,300
talking and it took me a second.
I was like, wait a second, I

651
00:36:13,308 --> 00:36:17,500
know that voice.
Well, that's Mark Ruffalo when I

652
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,000
was he has a lot of grease in
his hair.

653
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,300
When I was in high school I had
a like a running joke with a

654
00:36:22,308 --> 00:36:24,200
buddy of mine.
We would always do the Mark

655
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,300
Ruffalo from Eternal Sunshine,
voice at each other like the

656
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:32,600
scene where we're him and
Kirsten Dunst are like out on

657
00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:34,800
the curb and she's asking him
like, did you know?

658
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,900
And he just goes, I really like
you marry Steve.

659
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:42,000
Oh we were just like we pass
each other in the hallway.

660
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Go.
I'd really like you marry Steve.

661
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Oh, it's so when you say that
that Mark Ruffalo opens his

662
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,300
mouth and collateral.
All I can imagine coming out of

663
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:56,100
his mouth was just because I
really like you, Tom Cruise mob

664
00:36:56,100 --> 00:37:00,300
out of all the movies to have an
inside joke with your friend

665
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,900
about You need to pick better
movies.

666
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:06,100
All right, man, I'll say it.
Listen, I have picked a good

667
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,200
whiskey today.
So let's transition away from

668
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,100
this.
For a second.

669
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,500
We're going to press pause,
we're going to drink this Johnny

670
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:14,600
drum, and then we'll come back
and finish out collateral.

671
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,600
What do you say?
That was a killer segue.

672
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,400
Then let's do it.
Oh, they're ubiquitous, it's me,

673
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:25,600
George.
Be stagger back again to Delight

674
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681
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682
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683
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be stagger signing off.
Alright, so today we are

693
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,100
checking out Johnny, drum
Private Stock.

694
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:31,100
Now I say the full name of it
because there's actually I think

695
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,300
three whiskeys that are bottled
under the Johnny drum label.

696
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
There's this one, there's one
with the green label and there's

697
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,300
one earlier at least, there used
to be one with a black label and

698
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,900
the green and black, or like
dirt cheap whiskeys.

699
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,200
So, this is the one that, like,
when people talk about, Johnny

700
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,300
drum, they want the Private
Stock, one, this is produced by

701
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:52,100
the Willett Distillery.
Who always brand themselves as

702
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,300
Kentucky bourbon distillers on
their on their labels that just

703
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:57,000
avoid saying, it's will it
Distillery?

704
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:01,400
But part of that is because at
least some of this whiskey is

705
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,400
sourced.
It's not all made at the Willett

706
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Distillery but will it is like
kind of notorious for being real

707
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,700
hush-hush about where they
Source their stuff from.

708
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600
So I like no one has any idea
how much of this is made by

709
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,600
Willett how much of it is
Blended with sourced product,

710
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,700
all we know is that it says that
it's distilled and bottled.

711
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,500
By the Johnny drum Distilling
Company, which is just a

712
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,400
euphemism for Willett and it's
101.

713
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Proof.
It's really freaking good.

714
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,300
Brad, it's nonage stated.
I guess at some point, it was a

715
00:39:33,308 --> 00:39:36,900
15-year bourbon no longer that,
probably, because they're

716
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,500
blending it with other stuff,
but I'm really freaking pumped

717
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,600
to try this.
Dude, I was telling you off.

718
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Are, I've been holding onto this
bottle for like a year.

719
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,600
I tried this one day and I was
like, oh my God, we have to get

720
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,200
this on the podcast.
And, of course, when I say that

721
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,000
it usually takes about a year
for something to get on the

722
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,700
podcast and I was going through
this bottle so quickly that I

723
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,100
had to stop myself.
So I haven't opened it and

724
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:03,200
sipped it in a year.
That is a long time to hold off,

725
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,900
bobbum, a very proud of you.
I saved myself for you, Brad,

726
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,400
hello.
Oh, man.

727
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,800
And I'm sick this night this
evening to 90.

728
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,700
When I pulled up the schedule
and saw that we were doing

729
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,600
Johnny drum.
I like Ike.

730
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,500
I did a jig.
Like, it was incredible.

731
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,400
It was a joke.
Did you call your friend and

732
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
tell him?
Oh, Mary, I really like you.

733
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,500
There's my boo.
We're gonna do Johnny, drum, and

734
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,900
now, man.
So you're feeling under the

735
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,500
weather.
So, Your opinion may be a bit a

736
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:37,200
bit tainted but I love this
whiskey so much that if probably

737
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,400
just balance out in the long
run.

738
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:40,400
Yeah.
And I think that's fair.

739
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:45,000
I went once you've drank enough
whiskey, you can kind of tell

740
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,300
when you're sick if your palate
is just completely wrecked or if

741
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,900
you know, it's just a little bit
often as far as I can tell.

742
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,600
I think, my pals just a little
bit off tonight.

743
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,000
And so I think I'm a little I
think I balance that out with my

744
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,100
scores to say, hey, I like I
think this is a solid whiskey,

745
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,200
but I I don't know if I'm able
to say, it's a really great

746
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,900
whiskey or it's just an average
whiskey, so let it be known.

747
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Yeah, let it be nice.
If it's a great whiskey, it's

748
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,200
official opinion of film.
And whiskey, this is fantastic

749
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,500
stuff and Raising Arizona sucks.
So, the nose on this one, I got

750
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:26,400
green apple leather and vanilla
pretty pretty strongly

751
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,500
throughout.
Okay?

752
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,300
And I gave it a 7 & a half So
again anything that comes from

753
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:34,200
will it, I've talked about the
Willett Funk it's not really

754
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,500
funky and and I've been
realizing this over the last

755
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,800
couple Seasons but we
trademarked that Nate and we got

756
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,400
to sell some t-shirts that say
will it funk?

757
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,700
So I got to keep using it.
It's really just rose petal.

758
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,500
It's really, really strongly
Rose.

759
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:50,500
There's a ton of floral on
everything that comes out of,

760
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,600
will it.
And underneath that on this one

761
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,100
it's like it's rose petal
followed by some rise spice and

762
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,600
then after like two or three
knows things, it becomes

763
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:03,500
Suburban it's caramel.
It's lots of vanilla but that

764
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:07,300
floral is over writing.
Everything else not in a bad way

765
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,800
but it just it never goes away
on any one of your nose things

766
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,300
Brad.
This is like for me I love will

767
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,600
it stuff and this is like the
platonic ideal of the will, it

768
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,500
knows?
I'm gonna give this a nine point

769
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,500
five on the nose.
All right, well for me as we

770
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,100
moved into the palette, I
thought that that Apple

771
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:30,800
continued on through with a ton
of caramel and then as I sat

772
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,000
with it for a while, it got a
little bit okey and there's a

773
00:42:34,008 --> 00:42:37,700
little bit of like tobacco notes
coming out the that I thought

774
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:42,100
were pretty good but overall the
the caramel was just like

775
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,700
overwhelming here and not in a
bad way, but I think the

776
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,600
complexity kind of came down a
little bit, I'll give it a 7 out

777
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,600
of 10.
Yeah for me this is where that

778
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800
leather note really comes back.
It's like that rose petal.

779
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Really transforms into like a
leathery flavor.

780
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,200
I would say flavor, but like,
I've never eaten a You know what

781
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,800
I mean?
Like it's it's what I imagine

782
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,100
that leather would taste like
but you're right.

783
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,400
There's there's some really nice
caramel notes underneath that I

784
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,500
think 101 is the perfect proof
point for this Brad.

785
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:17,300
Like it's got a nice, it packs a
nice punch, it's not harsh at

786
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,700
all and it's super viscous.
This is like a really thick

787
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:22,400
coat, your mouth kind of
whiskey.

788
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,900
I will say that towards the back
of the palate, it gets a little

789
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:30,700
bit bitter for a hot second and
then the Rose comes back into

790
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,500
cover up for that but it's like
an unmistakable.

791
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:37,200
Oh, this went from sweet to
Bitter and it's a huge drop off

792
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,700
and then only like a gradual
recovery.

793
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,400
So I'm going to I'm going to
ding it a little bit there but I

794
00:43:42,408 --> 00:43:44,500
still like it enough to give it
an 8 out of 10.

795
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,800
Yeah.
The Finish is a little bit nicer

796
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,200
than the palate.
It stays nice and okey vanilla

797
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,800
comes through.
And then for me the tobacco

798
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:59,500
almost transformed into a much
more baking spice notes.

799
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,000
That just got nice and spicy on
the end that I was, I was kind

800
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,000
of not expecting, so I'll give
it a seven and a half out of 10

801
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,100
there.
Yeah.

802
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,900
The thinnest, like I said, you
know, it really Blends in with

803
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:16,800
the end of the tasting but the
leather gets a little bitter and

804
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,600
then the rose comes back into
play.

805
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:22,000
And its really mingled for me
with like Char, just like a deep

806
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,600
burnt wood Char and then a nice
little layer of vanilla to round

807
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,100
it out.
It's a great combination of

808
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,800
smoke.
Okey floral bitter and then

809
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800
sweet to finish it off.
I think this is a really complex

810
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,200
whiskey for what it is Brad.
Like this is not a btech, this

811
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
is not something that's been
Aging for 17 years but I think

812
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,300
you can tell that whatever the
oldest stock in this is it's got

813
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,700
to be pretty well age because
there's complexity here that you

814
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:51,000
just don't get on, even like a
four-year bourbon.

815
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,900
Yeah, I don't give it a score.
Yeah, give me a sec.

816
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,900
I'm gonna give it a, an eight
and a half on the Finish.

817
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:58,000
Okay.
Yeah.

818
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,100
And I think I agree with On the
all those points and that's why

819
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,100
I give it an 8 out of 10 on
balance.

820
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,100
I think that you just get a
really solid expression of

821
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:11,500
flavor throughout this whiskey
that you don't always find on on

822
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,800
slightly cheaper Whiskey's that
don't have an age statement.

823
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:20,200
Yeah I'm going to give this hmm
I want to give it a 9 but the

824
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,900
the flavor the palette was just
a little bit of a lower

825
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,300
experience.
I'll give it an eight and a half

826
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:29,200
on balance you know we were
talking off air Brad.

827
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,600
Part of the reason I love this
is because it reminds me so much

828
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,400
of that Watershed Barrel that we
picked about a year ago.

829
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,300
Yeah.
So if you've tried the film in

830
00:45:38,308 --> 00:45:43,000
whiskey Watershed pick, that's
my flavor profile.

831
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,800
Like that's what I really love.
I love that floral note.

832
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
I love that sort of leather Enos
to complement.

833
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Those classic bourbon notes.
This is just a lower proof

834
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,700
version of that and I'm freaking
in love with it.

835
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:56,900
So I'm going to give it an eight
and a half on the balance that

836
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:59,200
takes us to value.
Now, Brad, I know that this is

837
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,600
not Sold in the state of Ohio.
I picked up this bottle in

838
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,800
Kentucky, I'm not entirely sure
what the distribution looks

839
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,200
like.
This might be one of those ones

840
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,300
that you can only really get in
Kentucky.

841
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
I think it's worth it, but what
are you finding online?

842
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,100
In terms of price point, it
looks like it's anywhere from 35

843
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:23,700
to 50 dollars, so I just called
it like a 42. 42 45 dollar

844
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,100
range?
I don't know. 42 bucks something

845
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:29,100
in there.
Yeah, I bought this in 2021, I

846
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:33,600
think.
For $35, I imagine that it would

847
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,800
have gone up a little bit so
like I, yeah, I would call it

848
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,700
like 40 to 42 and at that price
point, Brad like, you know,

849
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:44,200
again, I love this whiskey.
I think this is darn good.

850
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,800
The only thing in this price
point that I would 100% say is a

851
00:46:48,808 --> 00:46:51,600
better value than this is wild.
Turkey.

852
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Rare Breed.
Hmm.

853
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,700
But again, that's a bucks, a
barrel proof whiskey.

854
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:59,300
So at 101 proof, I don't really
know that you could be doing

855
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:00,800
that.
Much better than this.

856
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,100
I'm going to give this a nine
out of ten on value.

857
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:05,400
Yeah, I'll give it a 7 out of
10.

858
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,000
I think that at $40 this is a
this is a really solid value in

859
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,800
the world of whiskey.
I think that if it hit like

860
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,500
48-52 anything higher than that
I think the score would drop

861
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,700
pretty quickly for me.
But yeah, I think seven out of

862
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:22,800
ten here.
Alright that's bringing me out

863
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,600
to a forty three and a half out
of 50.

864
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:28,300
I really like this whiskey Brad,
what are you coming out to?

865
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:31,500
I'm just A little bit lower.
I'm at a thirty seven out of

866
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:36,600
fifty thirty seven out of fifty
so that takes us to an 80.5 out

867
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,700
of 100 or a 40 Point 25 out of
50.

868
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,600
This is hitting the 40 mark and
it's I mean, I'll be real.

869
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,000
It's hitting the 40 mark because
of me, but it sounds like Brad,

870
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,500
you're still in that zone where
you would give this a

871
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,100
recommendation for sure.
Yeah, I would easily recommend

872
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:56,100
picking up a bottle especially
at the 40 dollar price point,

873
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,500
like if you know what you're
getting into with this, I think.

874
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,200
Easily worth the $40 even if you
want to share it with a friend.

875
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,600
Like like split the cost, go out
and get it and I would say try

876
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,600
it at the bar.
I don't think that this would

877
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,500
cost you a lot at a whiskey bar,
so go for it.

878
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:17,300
If you ask me to line up like my
favorite whiskies in the world.

879
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,900
This is one of them.
I haven't I've really never

880
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:21,700
talked about this with the
abroad because I wanted you to

881
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,900
try it without hearing my
opinion, but if you ask me to

882
00:48:24,908 --> 00:48:29,500
kind of make a flight of
available whiskeys, I'd probably

883
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,400
Bubbly, put something from Rebel
in there are probably like Rebel

884
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,100
distillers collection.
I probably put like a wild

885
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,700
turkey Rare Breed in there.
And I put this in there because

886
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:42,800
I think that represents three
distinct flavor profiles and

887
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
it's like the best version of
all three of those flavor

888
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,100
profiles.
I think this is just a stellar

889
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,700
Stellar Bourbon.
And that's, that's an

890
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:52,600
interesting thought.
I think mine would just be

891
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,700
barrel.
Seagrass and like a few scotches

892
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,800
barrel seagrass and then like to
water Chasers.

893
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,200
Yes.
All right man.

894
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,700
Let's get back into talking
about collateral.

895
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:05,500
What do you say?
Yeah let's get to it.

896
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,000
All right, everybody.
That was Johnny, drum a whiskey.

897
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,400
The Bob and I are both in
agreement really solid whiskey.

898
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:19,300
Damn good whiskey.
Damn good.

899
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:20,800
You know what else is?
Damn good.

900
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Bob my record at two facts on a
falsehood.

901
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,400
Wow.
You know, you can tell yourself

902
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,400
that I'm a solid AFC wild card
team.

903
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Yeah, I know.
We give you that.

904
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,900
Yeah, sure.
I got ten and seven Squad kind

905
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,300
of a thing.
Yeah, you might make a run at

906
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,000
the championship.
Yeah, yeah.

907
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,500
All right everybody.
This is the segment of the

908
00:49:42,508 --> 00:49:46,600
podcast where I try to trick Bob
by giving him three facts.

909
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,500
One of which would is a
falsehood.

910
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,000
So, Bob, are you ready?
Not explain that better.

911
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,800
I give him three facts.
One of, which is falsehood that

912
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,000
to make any sense at all.
It totally makes sense.

913
00:49:58,300 --> 00:49:59,800
All right, they'll figure it
out.

914
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:02,900
Hit me with you and your down to
facts on a falsehood fax.

915
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,300
Number one.
According to Michael, man.

916
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,100
Vincent, the character is a man,
able to get in and out of any

917
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,700
We're without anyone recognizing
or remembering him to prepare

918
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:15,700
for the role.
Tom Cruise, had to make UPS

919
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,400
deliveries in a crowded Los
Angeles Market.

920
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,000
Without anybody recognizing him.
Fact, number two before Michael

921
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Mann was hired Spike.
Lee Martin Scorsese and Steven

922
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,700
Spielberg were all offered the
chance to direct the movie.

923
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:32,300
Both Scorsese and Lee showed
interest before, passing on the

924
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,500
offer.
Fact number three, initially,

925
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,000
the film had been written to
take place in New York City, but

926
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,900
following the attacks on 9/11, a
rewrite was commissioned to

927
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:46,800
replace the location and flavor
of the script to to be in LA.

928
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,700
I know that number three is
true.

929
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,900
I least know that number 3 was
originally supposed to be set.

930
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,900
It was supposed to be set in New
York City.

931
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:57,400
I don't know if it was because
of September 11 that they

932
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,200
changed it, but I'm gonna go
ahead and say three is true

933
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,200
based on that.
Number two, sounds like it could

934
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,100
be true.
Number one is the one that's

935
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:06,500
standing out to me is a
falsehood.

936
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:09,700
And it's just because I could be
wrong.

937
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:16,200
I have a hard time thinking that
Tom Cruise in 2004 could go

938
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,000
anywhere without like, with any
level of anonymity.

939
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:23,800
And I know this man jumps out of
planes, regularly and flies

940
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,200
helicopters and does all sorts
of stuff, but I think if number

941
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,500
one turns out to be true, it
will be like the greatest feat

942
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,600
he's ever pulled off because I
just, I don't know how you can

943
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,500
get around in 04 as Tom Cruise.
I'm going to say one's the

944
00:51:38,508 --> 00:51:44,600
falsehood Brad.
Bob you are 100% incorrect.

945
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:48,600
Wow.
And I will say out of all the

946
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:54,100
facts I've ever pulled for this,
I actually checked and there is

947
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:58,500
a video of Tom Cruise doing this
that I'm going to send you what

948
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,600
really 100%.
Yeah, he worked at the only

949
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,100
thing he did was he, you know,
he wore the uniform, he wore the

950
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,000
brown hat and he wore a pair of
sunglasses.

951
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:10,400
Glasses.
That like, that was the only

952
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,000
thing that he did.
But other than that, like,

953
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,500
watching the video, you're like,
oh no, that's Tom, like, it is

954
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,000
very clearly Tom Cruise and he
pulled it off.

955
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,700
Co is I hate when they're like,
yeah, he totally did it.

956
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:24,600
But then he find out, you know,
and he wore a mustache, and a

957
00:52:24,607 --> 00:52:27,700
fake nose, and a pair of
sunglasses and a scarf.

958
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,900
It's like, well skate, like I
don't know if I would say just a

959
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,900
pair of sunglasses is like true
disguise work.

960
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,300
I don't know, man.
Have you seen him in those

961
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:40,000
aviators in Top Gun?
I would.

962
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,300
I would melt.
If I ever said, I'm saying, you

963
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,400
can't hide behind.
I'm so used to seeing him in

964
00:52:44,408 --> 00:52:46,000
sunglasses.
It's like, I'd be like, oh,

965
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,300
thanks Tom Cruise.
Well, that my package saying

966
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:50,100
he's not cheating, then that's
true.

967
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,300
That's true that.
All right, I'll take my elf this

968
00:52:53,300 --> 00:53:00,100
week, the falsehood and I will
say, I wrote I always write my

969
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,900
falsehoods before I look up any
of the facts because sometimes I

970
00:53:03,908 --> 00:53:05,200
get you know, it's too easy to
get.

971
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,300
Muddled into what the all the
facts are.

972
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,800
So, I wrote this falsehood and
then I looked up the facts and I

973
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,400
saw that it was initially set in
New York City, however, it was

974
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,400
just straight up.
Michael Mann.

975
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,700
Just said, no, I think it should
be set in LA and that was it.

976
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,200
So the, the falsehood was the
fact that the rewrite was

977
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,200
because of 9/11, I hate the, you
do this to me, you gave me half

978
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,200
of a truth.
Try not to bait me into UPS.

979
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,200
Tom Cruise, but I didn't know
that it was half a truth that

980
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,700
grab it doesn't help at all.
All right man, I think so.

981
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:46,400
We've actually like done a
pretty good job, covering what I

982
00:53:46,408 --> 00:53:48,900
wanted to cover here today.
Like, we've talked about Michael

983
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:51,700
Mann, we've talked about the
performances, I don't know.

984
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:54,500
I think I'd really like to kind
of close out today by hearing

985
00:53:54,500 --> 00:54:00,100
what you think of Michael Mann
so far and what you're on the

986
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:06,700
lookout for moving forward.
You know, I honestly think that

987
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:12,700
with this film Michael man,
showed me that he has a talent

988
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:18,600
for driving action, and he has a
talent for creating compelling

989
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,600
characters.
I think that's the main thing

990
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,200
that made this movie work, is
that I really believed in the

991
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,100
character of Vincent and the
character of Max and the way

992
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,200
they interacted with one another
was fascinating, you know, the

993
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,700
The moments where they were
quiet in the cab talking about

994
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:40,500
life, where Vincent is
challenging Max to grow as a

995
00:54:40,508 --> 00:54:46,100
person and he's meeting his
mother and like in the middle of

996
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,200
where Max should be the most
vulnerable.

997
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:51,500
You know, this assassin is
talking to his mother Max

998
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:53,400
decides.
I'm going to be a hero.

999
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,900
I'm going to steal his briefcase
and toss it out onto the highway

1000
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,400
and, and like, it's moments like
that where you see development

1001
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,100
in Max as a character that I'm
like, Oh I'm in with Michael

1002
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,100
Mann.
I think he's really brilliant.

1003
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:11,600
It's other moments where the
action scenes just get drawn out

1004
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,800
a little bit too long and Mark
Ruffalo is searching through

1005
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,300
this apartment for his informant
for just a little bit too long

1006
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:24,300
and we're I just I don't know if
his pacing is always that great.

1007
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,800
So I don't know.
I is that a fair assessment of

1008
00:55:27,808 --> 00:55:30,200
him based on one movie I've ever
seen?

1009
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,100
Yeah, I mean, you know, the
thing with me and Michael Mann

1010
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:38,300
is I just I think that he tries
to do.

1011
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:42,700
Like we talked about Paul
Schrader in Raging Bull and taxi

1012
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:46,500
driver and how he's known for
this sort of like God's lonely,

1013
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:51,500
man like a, a usually like poor
or disaffected or

1014
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:56,700
disenfranchised man who is
reflecting on his place in the

1015
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:00,700
world and the chaos of it.
And I think that man does that

1016
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:04,700
with these sort of like
upper-crust Dapper like, you

1017
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:08,600
know, Oils a lot.
Yeah and he so he tries to have

1018
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,700
one foot in Paul Shaffer and he
tries to have another foot in

1019
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,000
like Paul Schrader.
Alright.

1020
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Sorry.
And Paul Schrader and then he

1021
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,100
tries to have another foot in
the sort of like clinical almost

1022
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:24,700
surgical Precision of a
filmmaker like David Fincher.

1023
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,700
And like if you think about how
David Fincher like shoots a

1024
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:32,500
movie, like The Social Network
or you know, even zodiac to some

1025
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,500
extent.
Like I see a lot of that in man.

1026
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,700
But I don't know if he does
either of those as well as some

1027
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,000
of some other filmmakers that
are working out there.

1028
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,100
And I look at a movie, like, I
don't know, sicario, you know,

1029
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,700
if we're going to talk make it a
double like, I don't know if I'd

1030
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:51,100
pair this up with sicario, but
just for the sake of argument,

1031
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,200
like, to talk about Denis
Villeneuve, and how he looks at

1032
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,100
the nature of crime, and how it
affects society, and how it

1033
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:02,600
affects the individual and,
like, the meditation on America

1034
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,700
meddling in other countries and
things like that.

1035
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:08,800
Like, sicario has so much to
say, and I know that this movie

1036
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,400
is the kind of movie that's more
focused on the individual.

1037
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,500
But I just can't help but think
like, you know, in a world

1038
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,600
without Michael man.
Would we still have Denis

1039
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,700
Villeneuve?
I don't know, maybe, maybe not,

1040
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:22,000
but I kind of prefer to leave
whole new.

1041
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:24,700
So like, I don't know.
Brad, what would you make this a

1042
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:28,100
double with?
I honestly think that the it's a

1043
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,400
movie we've reviewed on this
podcast.

1044
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:35,500
I think that this movie feels
just a it was made in the same.

1045
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,900
Mara and be.
It's a similar dish mechanics of

1046
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,000
the movie like what's going on
in the plot.

1047
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,100
I think I'm going to pair this
with crash.

1048
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,900
You know, what's really funny
about that?

1049
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,500
I thought about that opening
monologue, that Don Cheadle has

1050
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,000
in Crash, where he talks about,
like, people in the city are so

1051
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,300
disconnected and we crash into
each other, so we can feel

1052
00:57:56,300 --> 00:58:00,500
something and how we just
absolutely stunned that movie

1053
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:03,600
script when we did it.
And Michael Mann does the same

1054
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,400
thing.
And again, I will say, Michael

1055
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,400
man did not write this script.
It's one of the few movies that

1056
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,700
he did not write for himself,
but the themes are so obvious in

1057
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:14,500
this movie and that's, that's my
big.

1058
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:18,400
Struggle is Like.
Oh, Vincent has salt-and-pepper

1059
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,000
hair and a gray suit and then he
says about himself.

1060
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,700
I'm indifferent.
Yeah.

1061
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:26,500
It's like do you get it because
he operates in Shades of Gray

1062
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:31,600
and then there's a moment where
two wolves walk across downtown

1063
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,000
LA and it's like, wow, did you
know that there's two wolves

1064
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,400
inside of you all along?
It's like I just the themes are

1065
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,200
so out front that it's hard to
take it as like this deep

1066
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,200
reflection on anything and I so
I'm with you man.

1067
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,400
They crash is a great pick
because it is similarly on the

1068
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,100
nose about the themes.
It's trying to convey.

1069
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:53,900
Yeah.
Yeah.

1070
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:57,000
And I think that the difference
between you and me here is that

1071
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,700
I like the way man.
Portrays it here way.

1072
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,200
Way more than I didn't crash.
Sure.

1073
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,300
I think I think that there's a
II.

1074
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:11,200
Don't think it's quite as on the
nose as you are portraying it to

1075
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,600
be.
I think that there's actually

1076
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,800
some Nuance to the characters
and why they act the ways they

1077
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,900
do.
So I and I'm not totally

1078
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:22,300
disagreeing like yes, some of
the themes are obvious but not

1079
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,500
in such a way that it's a tracks
from the characters interactions

1080
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,500
with one another.
And I think that's what really

1081
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,600
drives me about this movie is
the ways that Max and Vincent

1082
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,700
challenge one another throughout
the film.

1083
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,500
Alright let's give this movie
some final scores.

1084
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:39,500
I'm going Anna give it, this is
hard because I want to give it.

1085
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,400
On IMDb, it's at a 7.5.
And I think that's like a

1086
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,800
perfect gift for this.
I think that like, it's a really

1087
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,600
well-made 7.5 but I just don't
know if I think it's an 8 out of

1088
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,400
10 so I'm gonna, I'm gonna go
seven and a half.

1089
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,100
Yeah.
I think that this is one of

1090
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:01,700
those movies that I might give a
7.5 to in my, in my heart.

1091
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:03,500
But I'm Deedee doesn't let you
do that.

1092
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:06,700
So I would give it an 8 out of
10 instead, you know what I

1093
01:00:06,707 --> 01:00:07,600
mean?
Sure.

1094
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,700
And so I think I am going to
give this an eight 10.

1095
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:14,300
I think it's a really
fascinating little action movie.

1096
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,400
We didn't even talk about the
Jazz scene in the middle of the

1097
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:18,900
film.
Oh yeah.

1098
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:25,400
Which I think is incredible.
I think Cruz and fox and what's

1099
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,600
the name of the actor who plays
the owner of the club?

1100
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,700
I don't know his name but he's
the guy that plays the cop in

1101
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:33,800
the terminal and I was really
happy to see him hero and then

1102
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,100
you're right.
And then also you've got the guy

1103
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,700
like the the guy that's like the
FBI agent.

1104
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,300
Is the guy that played Bill
O'Banion in.

1105
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,800
Yeah, it was above Town Bruce
McGill.

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He sure is mr.
McGill back on the back on the

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docket area.
Anyway, yeah that scene is

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fantastic dude.
Oh it's so so good and and once

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again Jamie asked him like even
if you'd answered right where

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you going to let him go and they
both know the answer to that

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question and they allow the
silence to carry them into the

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next scene.
Yeah.

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So I think that this movie has a
little more going for it than

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then you're given it credit for
Bob.

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But I'm with you I'll give it an
8 out of 10.

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All right, so we are at a seven
point seven, five out of ten but

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we'd like to know what you
think.

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Let us know what you think of
Michael Mann.

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Let us know what you think of
collateral.

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single, one of our Our show
notes, like I said before, we'll

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be back next week continuing
Michael Mann with what is widely

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regarded as his Masterpiece,
1995 heat.

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But until then I'm Bob book, I'm
Reggie and we'll see you next

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time.