City Lights / Town Branch Rye feat. Marya Gates

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Whiskey in 1931 director and

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star Charlie Chaplin, gave the
world.

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A dynamic comedy, that pulls not
a single punch in 2023.

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We hang out in Kentucky, to try
a different kind of whiskey.

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The film is City Lights.
The whiskey is Town Branch rye

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and we'll review them both.
This is the film that whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey.

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Cast were each week, we review a
classic movie and a glass of

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whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.

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And this week we are looking at
our first silent film in the

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history of the filmin.
Whiskey podcast bought a bomb.

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I am so excited brat, like I've
been waiting for this moment for

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many seasons.
See and that's the thing, man.

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When you get your, your
excitement up, your hopes up, I

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everything in my soul Just wants
to crush it.

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I can tell, ya.
I already know that you're

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coming in here.
Just ready to test.

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All of my patients today, Brad,
because we're looking at our

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first silent film and it is
perhaps the the highest regarded

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American silent film from that
entire era.

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We're talking about Charlie,
Chaplin's 1931, film City Lights

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Brad.
This is a movie that is ranked,

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I believe.
Now, inside the top ten on the

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American Film institute's
updated top 100 list.

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It's a movie that It appears on
the BFI Sight and Sound pull

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Brad.
This is, this is a juggernaut of

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Silent Cinema from a guy that I
think most people know, if you

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haven't actually watched Charlie
Chaplin, they know him from just

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being, like, the silly guy with
the funny mustache.

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And here he is being a silly guy
with a funny mustache.

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And people are saying it's one
of the greatest films of all

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time.
Yeah, I mean I was going to say

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the other day you sent me.
His Oscar.

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What was it?
Kind of like an honorary

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lifetime Oscar that they gave.
Yep.

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And I don't That to disqualify
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I don't.
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filmmakers of all time and his
speech if you could call it that

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was utterly heartwarming and
touching.

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Hmm.
But the movie itself Brad, where

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are we standing on that?
That's the question.

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That's what we're here to answer
and I think that you were

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hedging your bets, you knew my
darker impulses and so you

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brought like, you know, Bob you
you consider yourself the Expert

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here.
But if you know about 5% of film

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you brought in somebody who
probably knows 99% of silent

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film.
Honestly, you know, and I don't

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mean this like to make anybody
blush here, but we're going to

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introduce Our Guest.
It is the film critic Mariah

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Gates and she is maybe.
I mean, she's got to be among

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the world's pre-eminent silent
film Scholars.

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We literally were just talking
to her before we press record

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about her the movies that she
watched last year and logged on.

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And she said that on average she
logs about 800 movies a year on

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letterbox.
So she's seen quite a few more

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movies than I am.
And Brad, if anyone is going to

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be able to stand in my corner,
like, Charlie Chaplin in this

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boxing scene, in this movie,
it's Mariah.

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So Mariah, thank you for being
here today.

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How are you is Mariah?
Going to be the referee standing

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between us would be that I could
be that.

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It's great to be here.
Yeah it's great to be here.

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I love talking about silent.
Movies.

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Anytime someone's interested.
I'm like, I'm things to say,

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maybe too many things to say,
well, let me ask this, I think

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this is like a good introductory
question because, you know, our

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podcast is built around.
The premise that a lot of the

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movies that were watching are
being introduced to Brad for the

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first time as someone who has
seen as many silence as you

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have.
We talk all the time about the

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fact that, like, 90% of silent
films have been lost to time and

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deterioration but even The 10%
that survived.

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I feel like we really only talk
about a small handful of them

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and you know, it's for good
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These are great, great movies
that are still mimicked and and

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parodied and lifted from today.
Does it ever get old to you to

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talk about the same?
Like, five silent films all the

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time?
No, I do like it when I am with

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my my people.
And I can talk about a deeper

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cut, they'll I could talk about
John each car.

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Islands or you know.
So they use directors that he

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died in the 1919 Spanish
influenza.

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So treating a lot of people have
seen his self but the fact that

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there are some silent films that
normal people will watch is and

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I'd not to put all silent film
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abnormal, but I think if you
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its watches many, if some of us
do, he's a testament to what you

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said that some of these films
truly are And I love all of the

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silent era.
It's about 40 years worth of

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Cinema.
And it's as I was I think I was

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saying earlier before everyone
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specific mode of of art, it's a
different type of art.

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It's a different any, within
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There's different modes of
Storytelling.

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And that's why Each decade
practically.

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And sometimes every five years,
you have different ways of

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making a film.
The fact that some of Those

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films are still watch today and
and you can put chaplain in

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front of children and, and they
see the magic, or you can put

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one of my favorite screenings.
Ever was the mark of Zorro with

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Douglas Fairbanks.
I watched that with a bunch of

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eight year olds.
I think in terms of Cisco, maybe

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10 years ago and they were
cheering just as if he was that

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man or something.
Yeah so the fact that some of

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these movies are so timeless The
children can watch them or you

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know whatever age you are, you
can come to it, it's 100 years

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old.
This one's not quite a hundred

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years old, but getting there and
people love it.

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The same exact way.
I think is a testament to the

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height of this artistry for some
of these films.

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Yeah, it honestly is an
interesting illustration of a

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question.
I've always had which is like

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you know, music has been around
for forever but we from a

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certain era We only really
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these big names and I'm always
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about music from the 1960s like
how long will the Beatles last?

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And like these are young people
who don't like Mia, right.

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Yeah.
But like 150 years from now,

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like how many of their songs
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Is it just going to be one or
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And it's interesting to look
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have that question, kind of
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the point where these films are
100 years old and what what

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lasts.
And like you said, you know, I'm

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looking at City Lights here,
there's 188,000 rankings on IMDb

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for this movie, so it's not
like, it's a not well seen film.

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Yeah, exactly.
Brad, you know, I, if I can wax

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poetic here for a minute, one of
the things I love about silent

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film and I have obviously not
seen nearly as many as our guest

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today, but it is timeless, and
it is so accessible.

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Able to everybody from young to
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And this was the thing about
Chaplin was it spanned ages, it

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spanned classes.
It was an iconic character, that

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transcended all of the societal
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movies themselves.
Even today, you know, I like to

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put my children down in front of
the TV and have them watch quiet

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TV, because there's a lot of
loud children's programming now.

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And so like we ought, I try to
do mr.

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Rogers with them and that worked
like gangbusters.

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For a couple of years until they
figured out what I was doing

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when I put mr.
Rogers on, and then I was like,

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you know what, I'm going to try
some chaplain, I'm going to try

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some Buster Keaton, my son, my
six-year-old has watched the

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clip.
There's a specific clip from

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Modern Times which we're going
to watch in a couple weeks here.

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Brad of chaplain being strapped
into this newfangled feeding

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machine and it is, I mean, it's
hilarious.

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I laugh out loud.
Every time I have never seen my

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son laugh as hard as he laughs
at that clip every single time

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we play it you know we just
started watching.

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Chewing Buster Keaton.
He has a short called one week

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that is just absolutely
hilarious.

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And it's so cool to see that
without words and just with a

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little bit of reading
comprehension, this kid is

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locked into these movies in a
way that he's not with super

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bombastic.
You know, sensory overload, kind

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of children's programming that
you get elsewhere today.

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Anyway, that's my plug for
taking your kids in front of

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silent films.
Yeah, no.

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I mean, that's the reality.
I mean, why?

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I didn't grow up with silent
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I did grow up with, like, things
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there's something about the
physicality that children are

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drawn to.
I don't think there's anything

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wrong with saying, hey, like put
your kids down, have them watch

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Three Stooges.
Have them watch Charlie Chaplin

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because they have such an
engaging manner of visualization

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that I had entertained me for
hours and hours and hours.

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And I know it would any other
kid listen.

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Like people falling over and
poop jokes are Universal.

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And they last forever.
And this movie has both of those

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things.
So we're going to get into

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talking about them.
Brad.

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We will set the stage for this
movie and the the context into

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which it was released in just a
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But before we get there, it is
time for America's favorite

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segment, which we call Brad
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That's gonna give us the movie
plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock.
So let's go ahead and do your

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take with this little segment
that we call Brad explain.

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Brad explains his Part of the
podcast, where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen often for the

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first time Brad.
I assumed this was your first

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time seeing City Lights.
Absolutely.

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It was, this is your first
silent movie ever, right?

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Yes.
Okay, I think I've said before

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I've seen Clips here and there,
I know I've seen the clip you

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were referring to, from Modern
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Okay.
So it's, you know, but this is

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the first time I sat down and
just watched it start to finish.

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I was thinking that it would be
difficult to do an episode on

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silent film.
Um, and so seasons and seasons

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ago, I started planning ahead
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We used to splice in Clips audio
clips of the movies into our

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episodes, and I was like, one
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will have nothing to splice.
And so we kind of stopped doing

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that.
But the more I think about it.

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There really is no difference
in, describing the plot of the

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movie, the mechanics of the
movie here.

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So you've had seven years of
practice leading up to this

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point.
Brad, I'm going to give you 60

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seconds on the clock to break
down the plot of this movie and

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go sit.
Lights is a film, about a tramp.

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In what I would assume to be New
York City, New York City look

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alike at the very least Who
falls in love with a blind.

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Flower girl and is trying to do
his best to win her love.

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He runs into a well.
His title is the erratic

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millionaire who tries to kill
himself because his wife has

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left him, chaplain saves his
life, and they become best.

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Drunken Ends until he's not
drunk anymore and then he

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doesn't like him and doesn't
remember him, but then he gets

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drunk again and they hang out,
but then he's not drunk and they

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stopped hanging out.
But Chaplin the Tramp finds a

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way to get into a boxing match
in order to win money and he is

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given money from the millionaire
to be able to help heal his his

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blind five-second friend, and it
is he successful.

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You'll have to watch the movie.
The find that bomb.

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We're going to spoil everything
until the last five minutes and

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then you have to watch that for
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I mean it's only been out for
like what 89 90 years.

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So yeah.
You know, Mariah you have been

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waiting so patiently in the
background here and I appreciate

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you letting us ramble as we set
the stage for this movie.

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Can you give us like just a
brief overview of the history of

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the character of the Tramp?
This was Chaplin's, you know,

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like honestly it was the only
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I don't know if I can adequately
explain the hold that this

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character had on the American
culture leading, up to City

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Lights.
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that Chaplin started out sort of
like Keaton as a physical

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performer for the British
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physical comedian.
His whole life, the Tramp was

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created on this 18:14 short
films that were over 100 years

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called Mabel's strange.
Predicament starring Mabel

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Normand.
Who is one of those stars?

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Who was so famous and now, no
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Except a handful of people but
Mabel Normand everything Chaplin

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knew about working on screen he
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So but essentially he
accidentally created this sort

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of trampy character.
He showed up in a few other

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Schwartz, he was in In this
other Keystone film, called kid

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auto races at Venice, which
sounds exactly what it is.

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It's a bunch of kids doing Auto
races in Venice and slowly his

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Tramp clown character, became
this National and then later

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International phenomenon, but
also aspects of the visual

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Styling of the little Tramp with
the hat and the mustache came

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from a very famous French
comedian called Max Linder who

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had just come to America and
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influence, American Comedy, was
actually film comedy really came

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out of Frank's, like a lot of
things in cinema France was

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really the first International
Superstar.

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International comedians
Superstar comedian.

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Mostly we're Out of France.
So we have Max Linder.

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You have Mabel Normand.
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Chaplin, usurps them all
Chaplet, obviously is more

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remembered.
You can get, like, Blu-rays of

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Chaplin's movies.
You cannot get, Blu-rays of Max

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Linder.
Although I think some of Mabel

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arm is homes are now on like
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So there's at least that but
obviously he was this, this

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probably I think still the most
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you You come kind of close with
Buster Keaton and then you have

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the three American comedians,
everyone remembers which saw

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Harold Lloyd those three guys
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now, but they all sort of came
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Silent comedy.
That's also came out of

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Vaudeville like almost everyone
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So by the time this film came
out 1931, Chaplin had been the

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Superstar for 15 years or more
and but also silent Cinema had

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gone away.
It was the jazz singers. 1927 by

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making 28 you started to have
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I would say sound films, there
are little creaky, they're

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trying things and some of the
greatest silent films, truly it

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was an art that was like
ascendant and then sound came in

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and it went like in the gutter
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And I don't know if it'll ever
get Vaccination 28 frankly, but

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that's that's another podcast.
So chaplain was in the middle of

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developing this when sound came
in and he was like I don't care

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and I'm very popular.
So I'm going to do this movie

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and people are still going to
watch it and people did watch

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it.
And some 1931 you were seeing

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like pre-code, you know,
gangster films, you had pretty

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much would be like the
equivalent of, you know, we're

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in the Marvel films now, right?
If you the equivalent Has like a

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Terrence Malick like spiritual
movie in the forest being the

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number one box office.
Well, you can you you, can you

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imagine that?
But he was, he was so popular

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that people were like, you know,
Cagney can wait, I'm gonna gotta

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see chaplain.
And he five years later made

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Modern Times, which I think you
said, you're going to be

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watching also a silent film, but
I do think his greatest work is

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the silent films and that's
partially because his face is so

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expressive.
It's I said, which I'm sure you

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noticed while watching the cell,
not something we can put on a

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podcast like something, we can
put the essence of his eyes.

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Like, you know, sound which is
sort of, the hard thing about

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writing and talking about silent
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And I what I always find the
most difficult is that there's

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something ineffable about the
magic that comes off in the

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silent film.
And, you know, there's that

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quote in Sunset Boulevard, we
had faces then and I do think it

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fear is Is something about her
secret to that.

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Yeah, it really is something
about the faces that made it

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into Hollywood and the
expressive eyes and the kind of

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talent that directors, and, and
Camera people found.

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And we're looking for that
brought something that isn't

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necessarily there.
For once you have sound there,

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you know, there's some actors
who I think are still a little

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ineffable, but it's never been
the same.

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Well, I mean by I were talking
about it before we got on here,

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the final scene of the film.
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Like, Charlie is acting his
heart out and it's incredible

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and like the close up on his
face.

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He said, the reason it's so
good.

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As he's a, not acting and beaky
underplayed it and you watch

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that in your like, what?
I think this is a minor playing.

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Yeah, like, we will get into
talking about, Chaplin the actor

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to, but I think that scene is a
really great key into talking

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about Chaplin, the filmmaker
here, Brad because this movie

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Has close-ups very sparingly.
Like most of this movie is done

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either in wide shot.
So you can see his whole body or

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in like a two shot.
You know, I'm thinking

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specifically of like the scene
where he's getting ready to go

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box and he's sitting across the
table from the guy that he's

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going to box with and they have
them both framed in the shot.

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But the reason that ending works
so well is you don't see that

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face in close-up, you know, in
that extreme of a close up until

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the very end of the movie and
and it's so effective because

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Chaplin knows how to play a Shot
where the camera is 15 feet away

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versus how to play a shot where
the camera is 6 inches from his

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face, you know?
And honestly, Brad like, I, I'm

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so excited to dive into talking
about the filmmaking behind this

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movie.
So chaplain transitions for

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making shorts to making
feature-length films in 1921

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when the movie, The kid comes
out, so he's been doing it for a

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decade now, and audiences have
come to expect that a Chaplin

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film is going to be a big event.
They're really expensive movies

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and they make a killing at the
box office.

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Yes, he comes out with a movie
in the late 20s called the

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circus, and the circus is a
great movie that has kind of,

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like, I don't want to say it's
like Fallen by the wayside

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because it's really, really
revered.

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But it's kind of like when we
talk about Hitchcock, Brad and

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how you, and I have reviewed
now, like the four biggest

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Hitchcock movies, and then
everybody kind of has like their

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fifth favorite, Hitchcock movie.
It's kind of like that with with

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the circus.
It was a movie that Chaplin had

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a ton of personal outside.
Affecting.

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And it was really, really a hard
period of his life.

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The movie was successful, but it
wasn't as successful as he

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wanted it to be.
He doesn't win any Oscars for

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it, except they give him an
honorary Oscar, which made him

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feel like even more embarrassed
and insulted by it, because the

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movie wasn't really good enough
in their eyes to win competitive

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Oscars.
And so, that's when The Jazz

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Singer gets released, and the
world is going crazy for talkies

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and perhaps stubbornly, perhaps,
because he really did think

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this, he would work better as a
silent.

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He decided to plow ahead with
this movie as a silent, but he

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figured out that there were
elements of the new sound that

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you could have basically
imprinted onto the film, that

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really worked in his favor for
the first time, he could put a

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score to the movie and it would
be the same score in the exact

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same spot at the exact same
tempo as he's always wanted it

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to be.
And so the, you know, the music

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is part of the movie.
And then he also does this thing

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where he's really Ragging on the
crappy, sound quality of early

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talkies?
Because it, you know, I just

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imagine a crowded theater, the
lights go down this movie starts

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and this is an audience that's
been used to like craning their

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necks to try to figure out what
people are saying on this

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horribly recorded.
You know, Contraption for the

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last three years that we've had
talkies.

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And the first thing you hear is
Chaplin, making fun of that

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because it fades up on this
scene of a mayor, dedicating a

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statue.
Ooh and instead of a voice

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coming out of his mouth, it's
Chaplin playing a kazoo and just

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going to another and it is like
it's it's such a mean joke, but

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it is so silly and it's so funny
and it perfectly sets the stage

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for what's going to happen in
the movie.

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Yeah, I when re-watching, it
this this week, I forgot how

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funny that sounds you is,
because it is sort of like, the

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peanuts.
Yes.

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You know, when the adults speak
it?

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Yep.
The and it's so that eats it's

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funny because it's this in joke
about sound, but it's also sort

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of similar to all of his.
He's running.

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Not hatred, but running ragging
of organized.

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Yeah.
Like 40 figures it already.

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Yeah, he's always.
He's always trying to find ways

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to cause chaos and he just
starts his movie, straight up

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being like his mares full of
full of crap.

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So, why we don't even need to
listen.

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And I I love that.
Hehe doesn't give him an

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intertidal either.
So you don't know.

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You don't know what he's
supposed to be saying it's time

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we don't need the speech.
And and the best thing is as

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with any great comedian, the
inside joke, works like

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everybody who was there in the
time understood what he was

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trying to say, but it still is
funny.

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If you have no idea, the joke
he's trying to make about, you

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know, Takis at the time like
here, here we are.

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You know, 90 years later.
It's still just funny to hear

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like it still is something
that's amusing.

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I think it's, it's stuff like
that.

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That makes him stand out to me,
that it doesn't just work as an

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inside joke.
It also works as just a funny

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gag.
You Know, audio gag in the film

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Brad, you know, it's hard to
talk about performances when we

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think about this movie, because
it's like so dominated by

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chaplains character, and we will
obviously be talking about

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chaplains performance throughout
this episode.

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But Where would you like to
start in terms of like other

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players in the cast that you
really like their performance?

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Honestly, I really like the
butler.

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Mmm.
And I really liked the other

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fighter who he was fighting
against.

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Yeah.
Like I think we'll get to

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Virginia Cheryl and Harry Myers
who played the millionaire in

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the blind girl.
But if we're just going to give

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a quick shout out to anybody
else.

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I really enjoyed the butler who,
you know, engages in some of the

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physical comedy.
Midi with Chaplin as well as the

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he seems to be titled A
Prizefighter.

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So both of those actors are
actually people to Chaplin had

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worked with a ton in the past
and they were kind of like part

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of his company and the guy that
plays the butler will actually

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see him again in Modern Times
And like a really small role

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when we watch that movie.
But yeah, man, I'm totally with

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you.
They're both just like the great

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thing about a Chaplin movie is
and this is kind of like the

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terror of working with chaplain
from all those stories that Said

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he was such a micromanager.
The little boy that is blowing,

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like spit wads at him at the end
of the movie, he gave an

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interview years and years later
where he talked about how onset

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chaplain would would basically
be saying, okay, here's how you

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blow like, a spit wad at me, and
then he would go mimic that and

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then, run over here and mimic
him reacting to it.

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And then he would mimic what the
other little boys supposed to be

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doing and then he would tell
every extra in the background.

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Exactly what they're supposed to
be doing.

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And It's such a choreographed,
you know, I don't know, Symphony

447
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,800
kind of a thing, but it also
makes for every tiny performance

448
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,600
in the movie being
pitch-perfect.

449
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,000
Like I was laughing my ass off.
At the moment.

450
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,200
We're Chaplin driving a
Rolls-Royce dressed to the

451
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,500
nines.
You know.

452
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:49,200
Pretending he's rich but needing
a cigar sees one sitting up

453
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,400
sitting on the ground.
Pulls his Rolls-Royce over and

454
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600
just knocks a Over so that he
could pick up the cigar for

455
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,200
itself and then the reaction
shot of the homeless guy is like

456
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,000
it's Pitch.
Perfect, dude.

457
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:07,400
Yeah, dude, there's just so many
little gags throughout the film

458
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:13,200
that I like, I don't even think
that directors would understand

459
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,500
how to keep things moving the
way Chaplin does here.

460
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,500
Like the he just keeps things
moving and there's so many

461
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:23,100
little things kind of happening
on the side that honestly, I

462
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,000
want to go back.
Back and watch this again

463
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,800
because I know for a fact that I
missed a lot and I'm like, I

464
00:26:28,808 --> 00:26:31,900
need to come back to this.
And here's the beautiful thing.

465
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:38,100
Bob under 90 minutes and 82
minute movie as God intended, am

466
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,900
I right?
The best things about chaplain

467
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:45,500
is that he's such a visual
Storyteller.

468
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,900
But there are always like
multiple gags going at once even

469
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,300
in some of the scenes that are
really heartfelt.

470
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:57,300
There's Often something else if
you if you're notif you, if

471
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:00,500
it's, if you're looking there,
I'm like he understood that.

472
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:05,300
Every part of the frame should
have some sort of information

473
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,300
should make you think of
something.

474
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,700
One of the things I love is how
intuitively he uses the camera.

475
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,600
And so, there's a very famous
story, Brad that I will.

476
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Now introduce you to about how
he and the co-star of this

477
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,500
movie.
Virginia cherrylle did not like

478
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:23,500
each other.
At all, they did not.

479
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,300
Get along.
She actually got fired for a

480
00:27:25,308 --> 00:27:28,700
period of time and then rehired
by chaplain, when he basically

481
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,400
figured out he had shot too much
to replace her so he just had to

482
00:27:31,408 --> 00:27:35,000
bring her back but the scene
that he could not crack for

483
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,500
months and months and months of
the shooting schedule was their

484
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,900
introduction to each other.
How is, how are we going to

485
00:27:41,908 --> 00:27:46,000
convey that?
She mistakes him for being a

486
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600
rich man visually because
obviously you can't do it.

487
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,500
You know, through dialogue and
she's blind.

488
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,600
So there has to be something
that she encountered.

489
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,400
Doctors that she hears that
would Q into her.

490
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,600
That he was a rich person and
start this whole kind of comedy

491
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,100
of errors and it didn't occur to
him until way later in the

492
00:28:03,108 --> 00:28:05,800
schedule.
The idea of a slamming car door

493
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,300
that a rich guy is getting into
and she thinks that it's him but

494
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:16,800
leading up to that moment.
Brad Chaplin had done 342 takes

495
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:21,500
of this scene and it was trying
to work it out as they were

496
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:24,400
acting it out and that's kind of
what drove Virginia cherrylle

497
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,300
crazy about it was because she
could tell that he didn't really

498
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,900
have it figured out and he just
was waiting for the inspiration

499
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,100
to come by making them.
Continue to perform it until

500
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:37,200
something happened.
He did more takes on that than

501
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,500
we have done episodes of this
podcast but like Far and Away.

502
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:45,900
More like, 150 more take.
Yeah, I was gonna say when they

503
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:49,400
talk about filmmakers like
Fincher Kubrick who did life,

504
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,500
lots of cakes Chaplin is
absolutely on that list.

505
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,100
I think this is the record on a,
for his, in terms of how much.

506
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,500
But is she shot me?
Because he made the film over

507
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,400
two years and not normally.
When you hear like, oh, it took

508
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,200
two years to make this movie
like normally that's because,

509
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800
you know, like Claudia Wheels
girlfriends or something where

510
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,000
she was shooting it on a
Saturday once a week.

511
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:18,600
You know, when she had the money
- thing, like it was not common

512
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,300
for a movie, unless it was like
Von stroheim's greed.

513
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:26,200
It was not common for a movie.
To take that long to make and

514
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,200
you know in the teens when he
was starting out those

515
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600
filmmakers are making the to
reelers wanted to realize they

516
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,700
were making one of those a week.
It was a new TV episode he shot

517
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:42,500
over three hundred thousand feet
of film for this movie.

518
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,800
This is the equivalent of like
went not to bring my leg up

519
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,900
again, with Malik made The Thin
Red Line.

520
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,100
And he shot so much footage.
There was supposedly an eight

521
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:58,000
hour Our assembly cut of that
film before, you know, before

522
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,800
they whittled it down to what we
ended up seeing.

523
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,900
That's why I like half the cast
for The Thin Red Line is not in

524
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:08,400
the movie but eventually from
the three hundred thousand feet

525
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,800
of film, The the 89 minute film
is yeah 8,000 just 80 100 feet

526
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,500
so like that's It's a lot of
filled that didn't end up on The

527
00:30:19,508 --> 00:30:22,100
Cutting Room floor and, you
know, it's a good digital you

528
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,200
can you can just keep shooting
with film.

529
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,800
You have to keep buying more
film you have to, um, you know.

530
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Oh, so I was going to say one of
the things I love about him as

531
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,300
the as a director though is
that, he's so clearly

532
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,900
understands how to move the
camera and that scene in

533
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,500
particular is such a very simple
pan.

534
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,700
Like it is, it is like the two
of them standing against this

535
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,200
gate and then when she hears the
car door, slamming the A very

536
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,900
quickly it's like almost like a
whip pan at pans right over to

537
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:54,200
what she's hearing and then very
slowly, pans back over again as

538
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000
chaplain sneaks away.
And one of the things that the

539
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,700
silent the great silent
directors did so well, was to

540
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:06,000
know how to choreograph the
action and how to consider the

541
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
camera as like another member of
that kind of dance.

542
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,900
I guess, you know, I remember
talking to you about the movie

543
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:15,000
are our last year and how
everybody freaked out about the

544
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,900
the choreography to that song.
Now, You not to and the very

545
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,900
famous clip that's been gift to
death.

546
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:24,200
Now of just them like fixed in
the center of the frame as it

547
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
kind of tracks to the right and
they just follow it as they're

548
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
dancing.
Like as hard as they can and I

549
00:31:29,008 --> 00:31:31,400
remember, you know, making a
post about this and saying like

550
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,000
this is what American directors
of modern musicals are not

551
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
remembering anymore.
Is that the most compelling

552
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,300
camera move in the musical is
just to put your subject in the

553
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:45,000
dead center of the screen and
then either track or pan along

554
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,100
with them because bodies, And
motion are compelling in

555
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,600
themselves.
Like you don't have to make the

556
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400
most complex camera move to go
along with it.

557
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,200
And I think, Chaplin understood
that better than almost any

558
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,700
director because he knew what he
was capable of and he knew what

559
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,800
he could choreograph in front of
the camera.

560
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,400
And so the camera moves are
never Superfluous.

561
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,300
You know what I mean?
It's just exactly what needs to

562
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,700
be done, and if it tracks a
little bit, if it Wheels around

563
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,000
the boxing ring a little bit,
it's just because that's what's

564
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,400
needed for that shot and then
everything you see is creating

565
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:20,700
Enough movement to accentuate
that and he said that he thought

566
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,200
of himself as a dancer always.
And I think you see that in a

567
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,400
way he performs as the Tramp but
also you see it like you said in

568
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,600
the fluid camera movements.
And I think some of the reasons

569
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,200
he had issues with some of his
leading ladies, he did not

570
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,100
repeat leading ladies that often
was he didn't always cast.

571
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,700
Somebody who thought of
themselves as a dancer who

572
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:49,600
thought like a dancer who
understood the that I, that way

573
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,700
of making a film.
Whereas, like, some of the

574
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,100
actors, like, you mentioned the
boxer.

575
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,500
He was a keystone cop.
They had no, they'd known each

576
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,000
other, you know, going back to
the beginning of each in their

577
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,600
careers and the Keystone Cops
while you know, very funny were

578
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,500
sort of It's more similar to
dancers than any other kind of

579
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,100
Comedy because that that running
chasing athleticism that they

580
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,400
did and the tumbling.
And the following is sort of a

581
00:33:18,408 --> 00:33:21,200
mixture of dance, and
acrobatics, really.

582
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:29,800
And I think you see the more
successful Co-stars for chaplain

583
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,300
are ones who came out of that
earlier era of filmmaking

584
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,700
because they understood that way
of filmmaking.

585
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,800
As opposed to the sort of
matinee Idol drama style

586
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:44,500
actresses who are quite as used
to thinking about their bodies

587
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,000
that way.
Yeah, exactly.

588
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,700
And what's interesting about
this coming in 1931, is that you

589
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,900
stopped seeing that kind of
fluid camera movement, but in

590
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:58,200
the 19 late 1900's like from
1925, to 1928 those.

591
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,700
Montero films, tend to be the
ones people watch the most.

592
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,000
I think because they have that
beautiful camera movement and

593
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
they've gotten to a point where
they've been doing it for 30

594
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,900
years, and they understand how
to choreograph big Scopes, or to

595
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,400
move the camera in such a way
that you feel like you're

596
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,400
immersed in the film.
When 1831 most films weren't

597
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,800
doing that.
They had the creaky sounds, they

598
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,900
had more stationary camera shots
again because you had to worry

599
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,800
about where's the microphone,
right?

600
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,500
And You do see some filmmakers
making pre codes that have a

601
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:36,300
little more finesse to them and
they tend to be again, the

602
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,600
filmmakers who started out as
silent film directors in the

603
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,500
teens.
And so they've been doing it for

604
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:46,300
so long that just adding, adding
a microphone didn't, you know,

605
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:50,100
salt their game too much but you
but the bulk of what you saw.

606
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,900
And then I early, 1930s is the
camera movements just gets gets

607
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:57,700
really stationary and so you
have a movie like this.

608
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:04,600
Come out and people are so used
to, you know, not this anymore,

609
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,100
like they've gotten.
They've gotten used to the new

610
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:11,700
normal and suddenly they
reminded of what film could be

611
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200
and I think that's part of why
this has a legacy to it in a way

612
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,100
that few films from this year
do.

613
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,500
That's a good point, I didn't
think about that.

614
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,300
I mean, it's kind of the
opposite of what I was saying

615
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:25,000
because I'm like, you know,
chaplains, not moving the camera

616
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,300
in these really intricate
wonders like Spielberg would you

617
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,700
know?
And that's because the camera is

618
00:35:29,707 --> 00:35:33,400
huge and bulky at that point.
But also what you're saying is

619
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,400
because of the the kind of
restrictions that a lot of these

620
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,900
directors were facing with the
implementation of sound.

621
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,500
They just didn't move the camera
at all.

622
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,300
Yeah.
And so this probably looks 10

623
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:47,000
times as fluid to the normal
person who is used to just

624
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
seeing a Asian every camera, I
love that.

625
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,700
Yeah, you, it really like pre
codes and interesting era

626
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:57,800
because the stories get really
racy a costume to get really,

627
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,900
really beautiful, but
scandalous.

628
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,200
But the camera work is leaves a
lot to be.

629
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,800
Except for the busy, obviously,
the Busby Berkeley ones because

630
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,600
he again, he was a choreographer
and he figured out ways.

631
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,800
You don't need the sound to
really work.

632
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200
When you're, like, going
underneath someone legs right

633
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,900
around them to use able Do a lot
of what's beautiful and known in

634
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,900
his craw, graffiti because the
sound was added later for all

635
00:36:22,908 --> 00:36:28,900
those dance numbers that Busby
Berkeley shot when when you're

636
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,800
doing like a costume drama or
like a Joan Crawford film or

637
00:36:31,808 --> 00:36:34,600
something.
Where it's dialogue, heavy, you

638
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,700
end up having less interesting
camera moves for quite a while

639
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,900
because you would hear
everything with the boom mic and

640
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:47,400
and I think those films tend to
be sometimes a little creepy and

641
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,100
I love them.
I love the pre-code era.

642
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,400
I pretty much love every era.
It's hard hard for me to find an

643
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,800
arrow that I don't like, but you
have to kind of have more

644
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,000
context in a way and so it's
another are that's not well

645
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,700
remembered.
I think prequels are starting to

646
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,800
have a little more of a
Resurgence of think Criterion

647
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,300
channel has done a great job of
trying to get people to watch

648
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:12,400
them but begin you just you have
a film like this and you look at

649
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,700
this film and you look at most
of the other fellows from 1931.

650
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:19,100
You're like but be we did Like
maybe we should just stop having

651
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,100
sounds reliable again.
Yeah.

652
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,800
Brad real quick.
Before we go to break because we

653
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200
do need a break.
I want to say up front, like,

654
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,500
we've been talking about all of
the incredible technical

655
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:33,100
achievements of this movie and
all of the historical context

656
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,400
that it was released in two.
I just want to say very plainly.

657
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,900
This is a very silly, very funny
movie for most of its run time.

658
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:42,300
It's, I mean, it's super
profound and yet wrenching at

659
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,700
the end, but like, this is a
hilarious comedy and I was I was

660
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:51,500
going to say, The boxing scene
the physicality of that scene

661
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,500
reminded me of watching Looney
Tunes growing.

662
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Yeah, you know I mean like it
feels like something where you

663
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,700
have Bugs Bunny being chased by
the hunter, whatever his name is

664
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Elmer farmer.
Fuck.

665
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,300
Yeah.
Like it feels like that but it's

666
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,000
live action and it's hilarious.
And that there's so many visual

667
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,600
gags in that scene that Yeah,
but I have with you.

668
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,800
This is just a fun movie that
just so happens to be

669
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400
technically.
Brilliant, yeah, well and that's

670
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,800
that's another thing like
talking about that boxing scene.

671
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,200
You know, I think the people who
have never seen a Chaplin movie,

672
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200
they have an idea of chaplain as
like this.

673
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Funny pratfall guy.
He's a guy that's gonna get

674
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,800
knocked over or do something
silly with his body but what I

675
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,500
love is like when you actually
watch the gags, not only are the

676
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,600
gags incredibly intricate with
their physicality, but they also

677
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,200
have so much like character.
And behind them and he does a

678
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,300
great job of setting up the gag.
There's like ten minutes of

679
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:56,900
build-up to the actual fight and
chaplain gets roped into

680
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:59,400
fighting so he can win money for
this blind girl.

681
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,800
And the guy that he's going to
fight is going to split the

682
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,200
money with him 50/50, because he
just wants a quick Buck.

683
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,300
But then that guy gets a
telegram, it says, get out of

684
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,200
town, the cops are after you.
So they pull another guy off the

685
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,700
street and he's big and
lumbering and he's just going to

686
00:39:11,707 --> 00:39:13,200
beat the hell out of Charlie
Chaplin.

687
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,000
And so, then you get this great
sequence, were chaplains trying

688
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,400
to like flatter him.
And like be real chummy with him

689
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,200
so he won't get beat up and then
when they finally get into the

690
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,700
ring chaplains, taking every
opportunity to take cheap shots

691
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,200
at this guy so that he can knock
him out because he's scared.

692
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,400
And when the guy finally starts
to get woozy, you get that great

693
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200
little beat of Chaplin, like,
pushing down on his shoulders,

694
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,100
to try to get him the ball
quicker.

695
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,500
It's just like, I think the
thing that people don't realize

696
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,400
if you've never watched one of
these movies, is that it's not

697
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000
just a guy falling over for a
gag.

698
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:49,400
It is like, it's Really well
thought out and we'll get around

699
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,700
to this.
When we do our let's make it a

700
00:39:50,707 --> 00:39:53,500
double.
But I think that the influence

701
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,800
of Chaplin's comic timing and
the way these gags are set up

702
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,400
are still being mimicked to this
day and Cinema Brad.

703
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Yeah, no, I'm with you man.
I think that it's almost like

704
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,900
when you see a brilliant
stand-up comedian the way that

705
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:14,300
they intro with the joke and
then three or four times

706
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,300
throughout the set, they refer
back to that joke.

707
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,400
They just weave it into their
other jokes and then there's a

708
00:40:20,408 --> 00:40:24,300
Brilliance to it and you see
that with chaplain here that he

709
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,300
sets the stage.
And then he uses that stage

710
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,900
throughout the rest of the film
building on itself to to build

711
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:36,400
better and better jokes.
Well, Brad, I like to think that

712
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,800
our podcast builds to better and
better moments.

713
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,100
So like when we invite people
like Mariah on.

714
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,700
Exactly.
Let's hit pause here.

715
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Let's go.
Try this Town, Branch rye, and

716
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,600
then we'll come back and finish.
Talking about City Lights.

717
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,700
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

718
00:40:56,300 --> 00:41:00,400
Alright, so today we are
checking out Town Branch.

719
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,900
Why Brad Town Branch is a
distillery in Lexington Kentucky

720
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:09,000
that is near and dear to my
heart because it is the first

721
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Distillery I ever took a tour of
on the Kentucky Bourbon Trail.

722
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Hey, when I first moved to
Lexington, the Lexington area,

723
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,500
my wife and I went to All Tech
which is the giant conglomerate

724
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,000
that owns Lexington Distilling
Company.

725
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,800
They also, in fact, so how'd
they make Kentucky bourbon?

726
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,400
That's right, which is
incredible.

727
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,200
They also have a brewery on site
and so when you go on the tour

728
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,700
you check in you pay your $10 or
whatever it is and they give you

729
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,000
a little cup full of tokens.
And the cool thing about this

730
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,300
Distillery tour is that you can
cash in the tokens to try

731
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,700
samples of whatever you want,
along the way.

732
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,300
So you could spend your four or
five tokens on four or five

733
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:50,400
beers to try, you could spend
them on all the spirits they

734
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,000
make, or you could mix and
match.

735
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,800
So it's a really, really fun and
super customizable.

736
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:57,100
Abel tour.
That was actually the first two

737
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:58,600
are.
I took my parents onto and they

738
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,300
came to visit when we lived in
Kentucky.

739
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,800
I just think it's a really fun
entry point.

740
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Like if you're not all consumed
by being a bourbon bro, then you

741
00:42:07,207 --> 00:42:09,400
just want to kind of dabble in
the world of bourbon.

742
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,300
It's a really good starter
level.

743
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:17,400
Distillery tour.
So Town, Branch Rye, here's the

744
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,300
thing.
Brad, I don't know what to do

745
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:22,400
with this because the bottle
that I have sitting in front of

746
00:42:22,408 --> 00:42:24,800
me right now has been
discontinued.

747
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
No, of you will remember I'll
send you a picture of what the

748
00:42:27,008 --> 00:42:30,100
bottle used to look like they.
Have since rebranded, and

749
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:33,800
they've kind of relaunched Town
Branch as a brand.

750
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,300
In these Nifty looking Square
bottles.

751
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:39,700
The thing about the Old Town
Branch, why is that?

752
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:43,100
I can't actually tell if
everything in this bottle was

753
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:47,600
distilled on all Tech's campus
in Lexington and this is just a

754
00:42:47,607 --> 00:42:51,400
little insight into the jargon
that they put on labels when

755
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,300
when you flip a bottle over and
on the back of it it says

756
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:58,600
something like Like this whiskey
was made in Indiana or something

757
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:03,400
but bottled by Jack and Jill's
distillery in Bardstown

758
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,700
Kentucky, like they didn't make
it.

759
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:10,400
They got it from Indiana.
One really confusing word that

760
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
they use sometimes is produced
by.

761
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:14,100
Because what does that even
mean?

762
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Like, there's no regulation
behind produced by it's not, it

763
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,100
doesn't say distilled by.
So I have no idea because it

764
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,600
says, produced by all text
Lexington Distilling Company.

765
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:28,700
In Lexington, Kentucky, I don't
know that if they distilled all

766
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:32,300
this or not by produced you mean
like pulled it out of a hat like

767
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:37,400
a magician.
Yeah, I think I know that

768
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,600
they're more.
Recent label says that it was

769
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,900
all distilled on-site.
So this may be a combination of

770
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,600
stuff, they distilled.
And then they blended with older

771
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,200
stock that they sourced from
somewhere else.

772
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,400
Here's the other thing about it,
when I tried to look this up

773
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,900
online even though they make a
lot of Of whiskey and they're a

774
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:59,600
fairly, you know, a fairly
sizable player in the industry.

775
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,800
Now there's not a lot of
information about this whiskey

776
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,700
online.
I know that some of our more

777
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,400
learned friends, probably know
the ins and outs of All Tech so

778
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,400
like Zach Johnston yeah.
Hit me up after this episode and

779
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,500
let me know what was going on
with the old label Town Branch.

780
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,100
But for now Brad, I'm just going
to assume this was all made at

781
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:24,100
The Distillery in Lexington.
All I hear you saying is welcome

782
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,500
to film and Where everything is
made up and the points don't

783
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:29,400
matter.
This is why whiskey scares

784
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,000
people off Brad, like people who
aren't in the world of whiskey.

785
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,200
All this jargon, all this like
does any of this matter at the

786
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,700
end of the day, does the whiskey
taste good or not?

787
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:41,400
And that's what we're here to
figure out.

788
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,500
This is a 100 Proof rye whiskey.
It does not say that.

789
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,900
It is straight rye whiskey.
Which is what the new label

790
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,900
says.
So I have no idea how freaking

791
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:52,000
old this is either.
So I'm gonna assume it's at

792
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000
least four years old because
there's no age statement on the

793
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,100
bottle.
Let's give it a try Brad.

794
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:57,300
What do you picking up on the
nose?

795
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,600
The nose here has some Vanilla,
some, some clove, some some rye

796
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,100
coming through, and then almost
like a, like, a spiced cherry,

797
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,500
and it's kind of unique and
interesting.

798
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,700
I'm intrigued by it.
I will give it a seven and a

799
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:16,800
half out of ten.
I am not ashamed to admit.

800
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,000
That drinking Rye is always a
humbling experience for me,

801
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,500
Brad, because I like to think
that with as many Whiskey's as

802
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,800
we try to have a fairly
discernible.

803
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,600
In palette now.
But there's something about the

804
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Rye grain that I could never
pick up as many things on the

805
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,800
nose, as you can with Rye.
Like I just can't, I smell ride.

806
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,900
It smells like a ride.
It doesn't smell like a minty

807
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:39,500
Rye.
I think in my mind I have two

808
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:43,600
categories of Ryan.
It's like minty rye and Dill rye

809
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,500
and this is more Dill Rye for
me, which I'm people with

810
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,800
peated, scotch and non peated.
Exactly.

811
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:53,300
I like it a lot.
I actually, if I'm gonna drink

812
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:54,700
Rye, I want it to taste like
rice.

813
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,600
Why?
Like, I wanted to go all the way

814
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,100
and this one really has a strong
Rye grain with that almost kind

815
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,700
of soured ill presence to it.
A little bit of sweetness, kind

816
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:06,900
of undergirding it.
I like it a lot.

817
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:08,500
I'm going to give it a seven and
a half on the nose.

818
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,700
Yeah.
And when I got into the palette,

819
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,600
there's some really nice
complexity here that that isn't

820
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,900
overwhelming.
I think that there's a little

821
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,500
bit of a citrus flavor in the
middle of my palate.

822
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,600
There was some honey on the tip
of my tongue and then they're

823
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,500
there.
There is just this really nice

824
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:33,000
feeling of like a fresh spongy
spice cake that had that, you

825
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,300
know, wasn't as sweet as it was
kind of savory.

826
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,800
And then at the at the back end
I finished after drinking a

827
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,000
little bit and felt like, you
know, there's just some really

828
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,400
nice vanilla here.
So 8 out of 10 on the pallet for

829
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:56,900
me, I do not like this, this
who, you know, sometimes like

830
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,700
you can just kind of tell that
something's not working for you.

831
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,400
It doesn't mean it's not good
but like it just doesn't work

832
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,500
for you.
For me, the way this manifested

833
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:09,900
was like really young Rider
grain and then it tipped into

834
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:15,800
like super bitter.
Grapefruit like not sour but

835
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,400
really, really bitter.
And then the bitterness kind of

836
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,900
fed back into the youthfulness
of it and it's like this /,

837
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:26,500
self-perpetuating cycle and by
the Time I swallowed.

838
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:28,300
I was like, oh man.
I don't like this at all.

839
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,400
It started off, okay.
It's like one of those

840
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:39,600
experiences really like, hmm.
Oh, it's just it kept getting

841
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,400
worse and worse for me.
This is a 4.5 out of 10 on the

842
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,600
pain.
The power 0.5.

843
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:50,100
I mean, I'm not, this is wow.
And like the longer I sit here

844
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:53,400
with this aftertaste, it is not
not doing it for me, man.

845
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,300
Man.
Well I'm just gonna I'm just

846
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:59,500
going to finish out my finish
and balance scores, seven and a

847
00:47:59,508 --> 00:48:02,000
half on the Finish.
There's some Oak, some Vanilla,

848
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,800
some ride, nothing too crazy,
but nothing, nothing bad,

849
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,100
nothing, sour, bitter, gross or
anything, anybody who tells you

850
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:14,300
otherwise is crazy seven out of
ten on the balance decently

851
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:18,500
complex has some good flavors
but nothing that makes it stand

852
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:23,100
out.
I'm on step number three and it

853
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,300
is approaching palatability at
this point.

854
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,400
But yeah, man, this is like the
closest thing that I like.

855
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:33,400
I don't know what I could
compare it to.

856
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:36,700
It's like, if a whiskey could
get skunked this is like what

857
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:39,300
what it's doing in my mouth.
Does that make sense?

858
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:41,400
Like I know you're not having
the same experience but I'm

859
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:47,200
trying to parse out what part of
it of this is just like a really

860
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,300
herbal experience versus
youthfulness on the Grain versus

861
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,000
something really off in how
bitter it is and it's just not

862
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,300
working for me, man, I'm going
to give it, I don't know a 5 out

863
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:03,600
of 10 on the Finish.
It's a little bit better than

864
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,500
the palette was for me, but I'm
like slightly worried that

865
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:15,000
something is off with my bottle.
And therefore, the balance is

866
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,500
way out of whack on this bad
boy.

867
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:21,000
It started off okay.
And it's Early tipped into

868
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,800
fearing for my safety.
So I am going to give it a five

869
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,200
point five on the balance, the
Han.

870
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,300
Yeah, so the value here, Bob,
I'm seeing this bottle at $49.

871
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,700
Is that what you're having at?
Yeah, Brad, that looks about

872
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,500
right now.
Again, this bottle that we're

873
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,100
drinking out, it has been
discontinued which is really

874
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,200
hard.
It's hard to review a product

875
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,900
that they may or may not have
completely overhauled at this

876
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,800
point.
And I would be more than happy

877
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,400
to come back around to this
someday.

878
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,800
And try the New Town Branch Rye.
If in fact, it is new and not

879
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,800
just the same whiskey with a new
label on it.

880
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,700
So, let's be very clear here Old
Town, Branch Rye.

881
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,900
I don't know how much it would
cost you to find a bottle of it.

882
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:07,900
I would not advise you seeking
this out by any means, but we're

883
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,600
going to score it as if it is
priced at the New Town, Branch

884
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,800
Rye price.
And at that price, Brad, I

885
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,000
cannot advise against this
strongly enough.

886
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,700
This is this Is the most
visceral reaction to a whiskey

887
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,500
on a regular episode that we've
done in a long, long time for

888
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:30,200
me.
Yeah, what's your score for a

889
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,100
$50 bottle then?
I trust your palate enough to

890
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,300
think that maybe I'm just
reacting weird to this and that

891
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:43,300
it's not just like a horrible
product but I trust my palate

892
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:45,400
enough to know that I would
never spend money on this so I'm

893
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,300
going to give it a 3 out of 10
on value.

894
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Yeah I actually gave it a 5 out
of 10.

895
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,900
I don't think this is a great
value.

896
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,400
I think that overall it's a
decent product that should be

897
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,900
about 10 to 15 dollars cheaper.
Like If this was a thirty to

898
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:06,900
thirty five dollar bottle and
say Yep this is really solid

899
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:12,500
value, but at $50, I don't know.
It's just, it's just not quite

900
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,900
as worth it for me.
I'm coming to a 35.5 out of 50.

901
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:20,200
Bob, where are you at?
In the teens, I am coming out to

902
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,600
a 25.5 out of 50.
So let's bring us to an average

903
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:30,300
of a 30.5 or a 61 out of 100.
I absolutely.

904
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,600
And unequivocally do Recommend
trying or buying this.

905
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:38,500
However, I will say, I
absolutely recommend going on

906
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:42,100
the alltech tour.
Like I'm I'm shocked at how?

907
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:45,200
I don't remember this being this
bad, which is making me wonder

908
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,900
if like, if they did.
In fact, just overhaul the

909
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:51,300
entire, you know, product
itself.

910
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

911
00:51:52,508 --> 00:51:56,700
And maybe they did and like you
said, we are both big fans at

912
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,000
alltech.
They make great beer.

913
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,600
They make good whiskey.
So go check them out.

914
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,400
Out.
If you are in Lexington, I think

915
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,700
I would man out of it.
It doesn't matter if I recommend

916
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:09,400
this Bob, you can't get it
anymore.

917
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,500
So go drink, go drink, Kentucky
Bourbon Barrel Ale, it's

918
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,800
delicious, it's real good.
My wife's favorite beer.

919
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
That's, that's my, that's my
recommendation for the day, get

920
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,200
it on tap, if you can that I
will say, like, in the bottle

921
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,500
it's like a solid seven and a
half beer, but getting it on tap

922
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,900
as like a nine and a half out of
ten experience.

923
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,000
All right, man, that was a
letdown.

924
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,800
But, you know, what's not a
letdown is talking to our new

925
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,600
friend Mariah Gates about silent
movies.

926
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,600
So what do you say?
We get back into talking about

927
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,300
City Lights.
Let's get to it.

928
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,200
All right, everybody that was
Town Branch Rye, a whiskey that

929
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:54,600
is might be one of the most
simply named Whiskey's.

930
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,000
We've drank in a long time.
Bob they really have been a

931
00:52:57,008 --> 00:52:59,000
mouthful lately.
It's nice to just stay in town

932
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Branch.
Right.

933
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,500
And be done with it.
That's it.

934
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Well, Brad.
It is time for us to get into

935
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,700
our next segment of the day
Canada's favorite segment, which

936
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,600
we call to fax in a falsehood is
gonna try to stop you.

937
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:20,500
Bob All right.
And what is wrong to fax in a

938
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:23,300
falsehood to fax in?
A falsehood, is the part of the

939
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:27,800
podcast where Brad presents
three items to me, as fact about

940
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,200
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete fabrication

941
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:34,000
that Brad has made up.
And it's my job to figure out

942
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,600
which one is the LIE Brad.
I believe I am sitting at 500 on

943
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,700
the year right now at a
comeback.

944
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,800
Victory last week.
Oh no I didn't.

945
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,200
I had to defeat last week.
You definitely had VI had to.

946
00:53:46,207 --> 00:53:49,000
Thank you very much.
Thanks Vince for that one.

947
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,500
Vince, Mancini did not help me
out on that one at all.

948
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:56,200
So, I think you're right, I am,
I might be one under 500, which

949
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
puts the pressure on Mariah, to
help me with this to facts in a

950
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,700
falsehood Brad.
I am a little comforted by the

951
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,000
fact that you don't know
anything about silent movies.

952
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,900
Yeah, I feel is Eero confidence.
I almost wanted to, like, call a

953
00:54:08,908 --> 00:54:12,300
truce for the next four or five
weeks, however, long, we're

954
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:15,200
doing chaplain, but I'm going to
Soldier on.

955
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,400
On ahead and see if I can catch
you.

956
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,500
I'll be honest.
If I can catch you this week.

957
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:24,900
I think I should just win for
the season, all right.

958
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:28,800
With Mariah helping you and I
don't doubt that you will get

959
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,800
this one.
Well, I am not sweating over

960
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,400
here.
So hit me with your two facts

961
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,000
and falsehood.
Alright fact.

962
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,200
Number one, one of Sir, Charles
Chaplin's friends, the famous

963
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
illustrator Ralph Barton was on
set one day during the filming

964
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,100
of the scene where Charlie in
the blind, girl.

965
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:49,400
Me Meet his home movies, which
appear in unknown Chaplin from

966
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,900
1983?
Are the only known behind the

967
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:55,700
scenes footage of chaplain at
work in costume as the Tramp.

968
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,500
Fax number to the scene where
chaplain first, meets The

969
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:05,500
Eccentric eccentric millionaire
had to be reshot many, many

970
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:08,600
times over due to chaplains
insistence that Harry Myers was

971
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,900
not, quote falling properly and
quotes into the river.

972
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,400
Fax number three, Sir Charles
Chaplin had invited Albert

973
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,600
Einstein and his wife Elsa to
join him at the Los Angeles

974
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,500
premiere on January 30th 1931
when the house lights came up,

975
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,700
Chaplin was surprised to see
Einstein's eyes.

976
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:29,700
Were tearing over at the final
scene.

977
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,000
I believe number three is a fact
because I do well.

978
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,200
I know the first part of that
statement is a fact.

979
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,500
I know he took Albert Einstein
and his wife to the premier, and

980
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:41,400
I like to think that mr.
Einstein dr.

981
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,900
Einstein had a heart and was
affected by the end of this

982
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:46,900
movie.
So, I'm going to say three is

983
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:50,200
true.
One and two both sound

984
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,900
plausible, but I might have to
phone a friend here Mariah.

985
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,300
Are you gravitating towards
either of these as the

986
00:55:56,300 --> 00:56:00,000
falsehood?
I feel like there's more behind

987
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,700
the scenes.
That's what to catching me up

988
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,500
there because I know, I know
that that documentary but I feel

989
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:08,500
like there's more behind the
scenes than just the one movie.

990
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,200
Yeah, the in costume is what's
throwing me off here?

991
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,900
Yeah, he wasn't it.
And, you know, I actually was

992
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,800
just watching the Criterion
Blu-ray for city lights before

993
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,400
we started recording.
And I had just started watching

994
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,900
that behind-the-scenes footage,
so I know that that's a thing, I

995
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:26,200
know it exists.
But yeah, is it the only?

996
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,700
I don't know, definitely one of
those.

997
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,800
Like is this, is this too much
information?

998
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,000
And therefore, it's wrong.
Or is it too much information?

999
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Because that's exactly the
truth.

1000
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,700
I'm, I'm a terrible phone a
friend here because I don't

1001
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:42,200
actually know let's.
All right, I will, I will bite

1002
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,200
the bullet.
On this one.

1003
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:49,800
I'm gonna say number two is the
falsehood even though it sounds

1004
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,300
very plausible.
I just think that it sounds a

1005
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,700
little too simplistic and so I'm
going to say Brad wrote that.

1006
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,200
That sounds insulting our I'm
sorry what?

1007
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:06,700
I didn't mean it like that, that
100% sounded insulting I will

1008
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:09,700
say this.
This is the disclaimer.

1009
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:15,300
We always let our guests know.
These are true as IMDb says

1010
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,700
they're true.
These says, I lifted from the

1011
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:22,100
IMDb trivia section.
However, Bob you are correct.

1012
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:26,100
Number two was the falsehood
written by simpleton brows just

1013
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,300
gonna say thank you.
Mr. Simms Plastic.

1014
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:32,100
I feel terrible.
I didn't mean it like that at

1015
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,400
all but it worked in my favor.
So I do you feel tearing do not

1016
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,600
retract that statement.
At all Mariah has helped me pull

1017
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,800
ahead on the season and I can
Lord it over you now for at

1018
00:57:42,808 --> 00:57:44,100
least a couple more weeks.
Brad.

1019
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,700
Hmm.
Yeah, you're welcome.

1020
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:49,700
You're welcome, Baba, suppose.
All right, let's get back into

1021
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,700
talking about this movie.
We have left out one, huge

1022
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,800
component of the movie.
When it comes to actress,

1023
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Virginia cherrylle.
We haven't talked about her

1024
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,800
performance.
This is by far the performance

1025
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,000
that she is best remembered for.
I think I said in the first half

1026
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
that they did not really get
along at all.

1027
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,400
I don't think you can really
tell this is a pretty

1028
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,600
exceptional pairing on screen.
And, you know, there I don't say

1029
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,000
their chemistry is palpable, but
it kind of is, but I think their

1030
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400
commitment to their characters
and the way that they

1031
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,200
dramatically portray each of
their respective States, you

1032
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,200
know what I mean?
Him being down on his luck.

1033
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,300
Her Having a disability Brad.
There's a great story of

1034
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:35,100
chaplain hiring her because he
noticed that she was very near

1035
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,700
sighted.
And so her way of kind of

1036
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:41,500
looking like, physically looking
at her surroundings made her,

1037
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,700
the only actress that church,
that chaplain screen tested,

1038
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:47,400
that could play Blind without
being offensive.

1039
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,200
That's what's that was his, his
quote about it.

1040
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,400
So, that's impressive.
I think she's great in this

1041
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,700
movie, man.
Yeah, I think that she has an

1042
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:04,500
Credible softness to her, hmm.
That counteracts the physicality

1043
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:07,900
of Chaplin's, you know, just
sticky elating.

1044
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,700
And just the way he commands the
screen, there's there's a

1045
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:16,900
gentleness to her that draws you
in, and makes sense to why the

1046
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:18,500
Tramp would fall in love with
her.

1047
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,800
Is it does that make sense?
Oh, 100% Mariah.

1048
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,300
Like when you think about all of
you were mentioning this in the

1049
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:27,700
first half, like all of the
partners.

1050
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Has that he shared the screen
with over the years?

1051
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Where would you rank her?
And this pairing, I think they

1052
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,400
are really wonderful together.
I think my favorite is, is poly

1053
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,900
Godard from me to Modern Times
names because she's also a

1054
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:44,000
clown.
But in terms of what I think he

1055
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,300
wanted to achieve with, with
this movie, I think it was

1056
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:51,300
perfect casting, even if she was
very difficult and she wasn't

1057
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,200
ever really intending to be an
actress.

1058
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,500
She was just one of those, you
know, modern women who got a

1059
00:59:56,508 --> 00:59:59,900
divorce and move.
Moved to LA and made a go of it,

1060
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:03,100
kind of thing was a very
twenties thing to do.

1061
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,700
She's like, of the first
generation of women who really

1062
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:10,000
had the freedom to try to do
something like that ended up in

1063
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,100
this movie.
It's almost got fired for this

1064
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,400
movie, made a few other movies,
they're not, not very many of

1065
01:00:16,408 --> 01:00:19,000
them, are very good.
I like Fast workers.

1066
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,100
It's got John Gilbert in it and
make Clark but Virginia tyrol is

1067
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:28,100
like fifth cast in it.
And then really What's

1068
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:32,100
interesting is that she may have
been a great actress in The

1069
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:35,800
Silent era, right?
Because you mention, she has

1070
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,900
that softness and she has that
sort of magical quality it, to

1071
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:46,300
her eyes that were valued in the
silent era.

1072
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,900
But if you watch some of her
later films, I think fast worker

1073
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:53,400
is the only one I've seen.
She's not great, she's not a

1074
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,100
great actress in terms of
speaking.

1075
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:01,500
So the drachma tiered.
Yeah, so the fact that she has

1076
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,300
acted she ended up in basically
the last great silent film other

1077
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:09,100
than modern times last great
American silent film is, is kind

1078
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:12,300
of almost appropriate.
Like this was the end of this

1079
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:17,500
kind of art and she, she came to
this Hollywood, write it as this

1080
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,300
part of the art was dying and
gave one of the last great

1081
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:25,600
silent film performances in a
film that became Timeless, but

1082
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,300
she's at Timeless Beyond.
And I think that's because her

1083
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,900
what the talent she had and
maybe it was like, Chad Chaplin,

1084
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:39,400
maybe the 3,000 or 300,000 feet
is just bad footage of her, I

1085
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,300
don't know, but he was able.
He was able to find that magic

1086
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:47,000
in her and put it in this movie
and I think it's both a

1087
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,700
testament to him as a director
editor and her at least having

1088
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:53,800
that somewhere in her, you know,
right.

1089
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,400
Even if even if that's only 1%
of what was on the film, right?

1090
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,900
Right.
Mariah normally Bob is the

1091
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:05,100
expert at giving underhand in
childhood but man.

1092
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,500
Oh man, you are gunning for the
crown.

1093
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:12,900
My friend I was gonna save it is
it's it's fascinating that she

1094
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:17,600
is so well known for this one
roll, and that's it.

1095
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:22,100
And I probably more people, I
would, I would venture to say

1096
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:26,300
more people have seen her one,
great performance, then probably

1097
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:30,300
everything that like, Louise
Brooks ever did right?

1098
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,600
And you know one is the only
looking at Virginia Terrell

1099
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,800
Louise Brooks and saying like
they're on the on par or like

1100
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,800
Mabel Normand, same part of its
Mabel Normand spells are a lot

1101
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,800
of them are lost but it's
interesting and shows sort of

1102
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,500
the the irony of this business
that it is, you know, they

1103
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,700
always say like it's not just
the talent you have, it's who

1104
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,600
you know.
And in this case, you know she

1105
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,400
met Chaplin, she got in this
last great Chaplin movie.

1106
01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:59,500
See this last great.
Silent era, Chaplin movie.

1107
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:01,800
And she was nearsighted.
There it is, right?

1108
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:11,300
You can't plan that.
So before we wrap up today,

1109
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:15,300
guys, I want to say that, you
know, Brad, we could go on and

1110
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:16,800
on about our favorite gags in
the movie.

1111
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,100
I talked about just that little
throwaway moment of him shoving

1112
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:20,900
over a hobo.
I don't know why I laughed so

1113
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:22,900
hard at that moment, but it
really got me.

1114
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,400
There are so many, like, little
throwaway gags in this movie,

1115
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:29,300
but I think On a deeper level
than that.

1116
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:33,000
The reason that chaplains movies
are remembered even more than

1117
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,500
his contemporaries like Keaton
or Harold Lloyd is that they are

1118
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,800
unashamedly sentimental.
I mean they just are like they

1119
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,600
and they so perfectly pair The
Melancholy with the comedy and I

1120
01:03:46,607 --> 01:03:51,000
think that that is like the key
to understanding chaplain as a

1121
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,700
director, he had like a very
keen sense of what the average

1122
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:57,400
person who was going to his
movies.

1123
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,100
Was going through like that.
This movie comes out as America

1124
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:05,500
is recovering not recovering
from is like plunging headfirst

1125
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:09,700
into the Great Depression and
it's a movie about insane,

1126
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:13,600
wealth versus insane, poverty
and the Tramp as kind of

1127
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,900
navigating this crazy world
around him, and it's

1128
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:18,700
appropriate.
Brad that we just did another

1129
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:22,700
little mini series on Billy
Wilder, because I think that we

1130
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:27,400
had a really great discussion
about how Wilder uses suicide.

1131
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,100
As like a pointing device, in a
ton of his movies.

1132
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:33,800
I've been thinking about that
this whole time where I'm like,

1133
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,300
I was completely wrong like,
like Brian for reference.

1134
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,000
I kept saying I was like I feel
like there's nobody in Hollywood

1135
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:46,500
that's willing to go in the like
hey let's talk about suicide,

1136
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,300
you know there will be a fun
time for everyone and yet Billy

1137
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,900
Wilder does it and then I come
here and I watched our own you

1138
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:57,100
know mr.
Chaplin sir Chaplin and he it's

1139
01:04:57,100 --> 01:05:00,100
like Like 15-20 minutes into the
movie and you got the

1140
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,600
millionaire trying to kill
himself.

1141
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Mmm, I mean like and it's not
just done for last.

1142
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,100
Like, that is one of the funnier
gags in the movie.

1143
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:10,100
It's also like the darkest gag
in the whole movie, but I think

1144
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,400
it's really indicative of the
fact that chaplain is always

1145
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,600
willing to go.
There Chaplin is willing to show

1146
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,700
P, you know, in the movie, The
Circus, I started watching it

1147
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:22,300
with my six-year-old and there's
a very funny gags and then like

1148
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:25,700
the, the main female protagonist
in that movie is getting like

1149
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:28,800
horrifically.
To buy her dad and that movie

1150
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,600
just like getting the crap
kicked out of her in more a

1151
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,000
six-year-old kid, I was like,
all right, we're gonna press

1152
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,100
pause on the circus and let's go
to something else now.

1153
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,000
But I think, again, the reason
that it's so successful is that

1154
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:46,000
chaplain knows when to use the
dark moments of humanity to

1155
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,800
alike to find the humor in it.
But then to also like Leverage

1156
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,700
those moments into something
like the ending of this movie

1157
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,200
which we still haven't really
talked about.

1158
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,400
I really wouldn't discuss the
ending of this movie.

1159
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,300
Definitely one of those greatest
endings of all time.

1160
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,700
Endings.
You see the SRU, just you see

1161
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:07,200
that ending?
And you're like, why can't

1162
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,800
people why do people not know
how to end movies anymore?

1163
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,900
Like, I that's what I and
literally said that out loud.

1164
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,100
When I watch this couple days
ago, it's like you don't know

1165
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:19,400
how to end movies anymore is
like, this is a perfect ending,

1166
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:22,300
yeah, right?
No 100%.

1167
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:29,600
The the beauty of the unspoken
like Ride off into the sunset.

1168
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,300
You don't, you don't know if
they get together, you don't

1169
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:36,500
know if all these things happen
but the, the sentimentality of

1170
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:42,800
his smile and he's still a
little bit like bashful and and

1171
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,000
it's just slowly Fades to Black
and the end and it's, it's

1172
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:52,100
beautiful and it's heartwarming
and you don't expect it after

1173
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,800
all the gags that have come
through out like, like, you're

1174
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,500
expecting him to fall, you know,
pratfall The end and yet it's

1175
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:01,900
utterly and I'm going to use my
favorite word.

1176
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,300
It's utterly sincere Bob.
Hmm.

1177
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,800
You know, Brad like we don't
often make comparisons to like

1178
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,100
great works of philosophy or
religion on this podcast.

1179
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:17,200
But listen is about to quote
gorgeus, listeners of this

1180
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,200
podcast.
Know, you know, Brad and I both

1181
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,000
went to Seminary.
And so, once in a while,

1182
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,200
something Sparks are interest on
the theological front and I was

1183
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,800
watching this movie and I kept
thinking of this, this Story in

1184
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,900
the New Testament where Jesus is
talking about.

1185
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:35,400
He encounters a woman at the
temple that puts her last two

1186
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,600
mites into the offering and
talks about how she ain't more

1187
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,400
than anybody else.
And I think, honestly, you know,

1188
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,900
Chaplin not known for his
religious allegories.

1189
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:50,500
But this is, this is his most
like nakedly religious symbolism

1190
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:56,200
iconography kind of movie for me
because it is, it is such a, an

1191
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,200
obvious like self.
A pouring out kind of thing.

1192
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,700
And it's so obviously connected
to the poor and to the

1193
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:07,600
impoverished.
And like, I just love the ending

1194
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,400
of this movie where you don't
know, if this person who is at

1195
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,200
his most destitute.
He's been destitute the whole

1196
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,200
movie, but when you see him come
out of jail, at the end of the

1197
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,000
movie and he is just literally
wearing Rags that are tattered

1198
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,500
and he has no shirt on
underneath his iconic Jacket

1199
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:27,300
anymore.
It's like a pitiable state.

1200
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:31,100
And for him to leave the
character of the Tramp in an

1201
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:34,500
even more.
Pitiable State and asking the

1202
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:38,899
question of like, will he be
accepted like this and the the

1203
01:08:38,899 --> 01:08:41,200
last line of the movie to be her
saying?

1204
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:45,500
Yes, I can see.
Now it gives you the hope but it

1205
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:48,300
never actually shows you the
payoff and I think that is

1206
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:50,600
exactly why it's the perfect
ending for this movie.

1207
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,800
It's ambiguous, but he still
won't let you leave without

1208
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,600
holding out hope that the rest
of the world will.

1209
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:01,399
I'll be as sacrifice
self-sacrificial as the Tramp

1210
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,200
is, dude.
And even like that line of,

1211
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,500
like, yes, I can see.
Now, like that, that for me,

1212
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:11,200
just sounds like Jesus calling
out, like, he who has ears.

1213
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,899
Let him hear.
Well, I think like there's,

1214
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:17,500
there's a very like again, like
the way that I was reading in a

1215
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:21,000
book about city lights today and
the the author was commenting on

1216
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,100
how there is a supernatural kind
of element to this miracle cure

1217
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:30,399
for for blindness.
That this doctor is healing, you

1218
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,300
know, the poor for free and it's
a miracle.

1219
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:34,600
And all you have to do is come
to him.

1220
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,500
Like, it is a very obvious, kind
of symbolism in this movie, and

1221
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:41,600
I don't know to what end like.
I don't really know why chaplain

1222
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:47,100
is being so overt with it, but I
really just, I just do love the

1223
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,899
idea of this movie coming out in
the middle of the Great

1224
01:09:49,899 --> 01:09:56,100
Depression about Sympathy with
and I don't know, solidarity

1225
01:09:56,100 --> 01:10:00,500
with the poorest of the poor and
using the Tramp to exemplify

1226
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:04,200
that and also kind of bashing on
the millionaire.

1227
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,300
Little bit like he loses his
wife.

1228
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:11,000
He has thousands of dollars
stolen from him.

1229
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:14,100
They'll not stolen.
He gives it away and forgets

1230
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,000
that he gave it away.
Robin Hood thing, you know?

1231
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:17,900
Yeah, totally.
Totally Mariah.

1232
01:10:17,900 --> 01:10:20,000
When you think about this movie,
you know, obviously, we're over

1233
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,900
here talking about Theology and
everything like, What is your

1234
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:27,800
big takeaway in terms of like
the overarching sentiment of the

1235
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,500
movie and what?
It's trying to communicate at

1236
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:33,700
the end, I likes your point
about it, having a little

1237
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:39,100
glimmer of hope at the end.
I think a lot of Chaplin's films

1238
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:45,300
wrestle with Melancholy and
wrestle with systems that are

1239
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,300
not for lack of a better word
Fair.

1240
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,700
Even even though the American,
Remus that everyone with a

1241
01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:57,000
little gumption can make it
right.

1242
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,600
But that's not this, that's not
how the systems are actually set

1243
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,100
up.
And a lot of his movies,

1244
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:05,600
especially his his teachers sort
of investigate that idea like

1245
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:12,100
the kid is all about, not to
spoil the kid but it's about

1246
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:17,600
poverty and about living on the
street and as a child and

1247
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:22,800
wanting to adopt a child and the
issues of like Who's allowed to

1248
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,700
be a parent and who's actually
got the best intention for what

1249
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:31,400
is a family, right?
And it's a beautiful film.

1250
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,300
Jackie Coogan is fantastic in
it, but it's a lot of his films.

1251
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:38,500
Look at these systems.
And look at how someone like a

1252
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:42,000
tramp will come in and he
doesn't care about the systems.

1253
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,800
And he just kind of fumbling
through in between, he sort of

1254
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:52,000
a, like, a trickster kind of,
he's got the coyote God, right?

1255
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200
And he just sort of in between
the lines liminal space kind of

1256
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,800
person and shows you the Folly
of, of systems and the Folly of

1257
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,900
the idea that things are fair
things.

1258
01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:04,700
Wherever fair not just in
America, but like anywhere.

1259
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,100
But, but even though, that's,
that Bleak line is always there,

1260
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:13,200
he always ends on a place of,
but maybe right.

1261
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:17,900
But maybe, maybe with love
Things that even as the bad

1262
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:21,100
system is still in place, will
we can find a little Paradise

1263
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:23,500
for ourselves.
And I think that's, that's part

1264
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:27,100
of why his films are even more
Timeless than even Buster.

1265
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,800
Keaton, whose films are may be
funnier.

1266
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,200
I think they're funnier, but
they're definitely not as deep

1267
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,400
in terms of the emotions.
They try to evoke.

1268
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,600
Yeah, in its viewers.
Well, you know, if this all

1269
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,400
isn't your cup of tea, dear
listener, there is a joke about

1270
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,100
an elephant pooping in this
movie.

1271
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:50,000
So, Oh, like you get.
You get the best of both words.

1272
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:53,400
I have to say, I don't know if
you saw Babylon.

1273
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,300
Oh yeah.
Babylon, the fact that people

1274
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:58,800
were upset about that and I was
like, okay.

1275
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,800
But do you love City?
Only, it's like all of this.

1276
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,700
I like, it's there.
So everyone has re-watching,

1277
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:07,600
this.
That was like, ah, it's a

1278
01:13:07,608 --> 01:13:13,700
reference Aeneas that I love
that movie memories really

1279
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:15,800
smart.
And I feel like a lot of people

1280
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,300
who knows, Enough to not know
everything.

1281
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:20,500
He's doing thinks that it's not
as smart as it is.

1282
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:24,800
But it's a very smart movie.
And, and the main thing that

1283
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,100
every silent comedian knows is
here.

1284
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:33,300
Boy, people falling down and
poop jokes are funny and barf

1285
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:37,200
jokes like Harley times funny.
It's funny and Babylon, it's

1286
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,700
funny in the sound joke in
Babylon, where it's like, who's

1287
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:43,500
gonna want sound.
And then the guy likes in that

1288
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:47,800
in the stall, that's so funny.
Me, I like that movie.

1289
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,500
Three times, I laughed every
time.

1290
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:51,400
That's a great.
That's a great Timeless,

1291
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:55,200
Timeless joke.
And so he the thing that's great

1292
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,900
about chaplain as he does both
those things.

1293
01:13:56,900 --> 01:14:02,300
He has this very big bra heart
and then he just does the it's

1294
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,600
slapstick for a reason and you
know, it's so you get both, you

1295
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,900
get everything.
Well, on that note, if we can

1296
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:11,500
have both Brad, I think this is
a good segue into our final

1297
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:13,200
segment of the day which we
call.

1298
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:16,300
Let's make it a double we near
the end of the episode.

1299
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,200
So thanks for listening to the
film and whiskey show, but spare

1300
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,500
another film with this one.
Even if it's struggling, it's a

1301
01:14:22,508 --> 01:14:25,200
final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1302
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,500
Let's make it.
A double is the part of the

1303
01:14:26,508 --> 01:14:30,400
show, where we pair this movie
up with another film to make the

1304
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,700
perfect double feature.
We were kind of walking Mariah

1305
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:37,300
through the outline of our show
before we hit record.

1306
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:40,500
And she said, oh, I've already
got something for that segment,

1307
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:43,400
so I want to turn the floor over
to you Mariah.

1308
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:46,100
What is your?
Let's make it a double film.

1309
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,600
So I'm actually targets we used
to films, so I want a

1310
01:14:50,608 --> 01:14:53,500
proposition to separate double
features.

1311
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,600
Now, let's have a feature.
Number one, if you want to stay

1312
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,000
in the silent era, double
feature.

1313
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,500
Number one is 1928 Lonesome,
which is also Criterion film.

1314
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:08,400
Suzy, did it to get on Blu-ray
and it's about this couple

1315
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,000
played by Barbara, Kent and
Glenn tie rod who meet at Coney

1316
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,400
Island and they fall in love,
fall in a whirlwind 24.

1317
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,700
Ours.
And it's all about Modern Life

1318
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:22,700
and isolation of City, living.
And what it is to connect with

1319
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:26,500
somebody and the magic that it
to be in a city of millions of

1320
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:30,100
people and find your person, and
it's another short one.

1321
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:33,200
I feel like it's like 70
something and it's 75 minutes

1322
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,300
1769 minutes.
I don't know.

1323
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:38,200
There's two different things.
It has some sync sound in it as

1324
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,400
well.
It's just beautiful and I think

1325
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,300
pairs nicely with the the
romantic comedy side of city

1326
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:48,000
lights.
But on double feature.

1327
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,300
Number two, if you want
Melancholy nights of cabiria,

1328
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:55,900
the Fellini film, mmm, sorry.
His wife, do we had a mussina

1329
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:59,500
who was often referred to, as
the female chaplain for her

1330
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:05,900
expressive face and specifically
the how can it ever?

1331
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:07,300
Yeah.
How it keeps getting worse and

1332
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:11,500
worse and worse for the Tramp
and see lights cabiria.

1333
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,300
Goes through a lot of trials and
tribulations and things, get

1334
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:19,800
really bad and she's Too
trusting and they'll be trusting

1335
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,100
in this world.
It is not a world for anything,

1336
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:26,400
but by me end, again, it leaves
you with some hope and it leaves

1337
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,000
you.
She's at her lowest point.

1338
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,800
I don't want to spoil why, but
she's in is literally the worst

1339
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,200
possible place you could
possibly be as a like a single

1340
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,200
woman alone in the world and it
ends with his beautiful smile,

1341
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,900
very similar to the way City
Lights ends.

1342
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,200
And you realize the like is she
still got her?

1343
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,900
You know her Coat on her back
and she's got her smile and

1344
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,100
she's got her feet.
Things can be a things will look

1345
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:54,100
it up.
And and so there these two

1346
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:58,300
movies that are for people who
are like everything's terrible

1347
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:01,700
but at least I'm alive.
Yeah, so that's a double

1348
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,200
feature.
I love that.

1349
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:04,700
All right.
Brad.

1350
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:07,700
You have just seen your first
silent movie, ever.

1351
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,100
What would you pair it up with?
All right, this is going to be

1352
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:19,200
nowhere near what has just been
offered II think I might give

1353
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,900
two double features as well.
The first one is going to be

1354
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:27,100
Some Like It Hot.
I just think that Wilder has so

1355
01:17:27,100 --> 01:17:34,100
much philosophically in common
with with chaplain and I think

1356
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:37,200
that there's so much going on
there that just feels like it

1357
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,800
would vibe together that.
I think those two movies

1358
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:45,200
together would be a great great
double feature if I may I think

1359
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,300
it was Joshua Logan In the
director Joshua Logan said of

1360
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:52,600
Marilyn Monroe that she was the
only other film actor who could

1361
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,600
simultaneously hold Melancholy
and comedy with just her face.

1362
01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:59,600
Hmm.
In the exact same way as

1363
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:05,200
chocolate he referenced chaplain
when talking about her her, as

1364
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,200
an actor.
So I think that's actually a

1365
01:18:07,208 --> 01:18:12,400
brilliant double man.
Well, I admit I should probably

1366
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:19,500
do there but I want to shout The
movie that I loved to watch as a

1367
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:24,200
child.
And I think that there's this,

1368
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,800
this movie might be the cheaper
form of Chaplin comedy, and I'm

1369
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,100
okay with that.
I'm going to recommend the time

1370
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:38,100
of their lives with Bud Abbott
and Lou Costello, because I

1371
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:43,100
loved that movie growing up.
And I think that, at the very

1372
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:47,100
least, some of the physical
comedy that you, Get from Abbott

1373
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:51,400
and Costello can kind of mimic
the older style.

1374
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,200
And I just, I love that film.
So I'm going to put that one up

1375
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,000
there as well, Brad.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring this

1376
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,400
into the modern era and when I
was watching City Lights this

1377
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,900
time, one thing that I really
want to call attention to, and I

1378
01:19:05,907 --> 01:19:08,400
hope people go watch this like
as their first silent movie

1379
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,100
because like I said, the
influence of this movie is felt

1380
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,700
even today.
And I'm most, especially noticed

1381
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:19,900
it in this All scene, where the
eccentric millionaire is hosting

1382
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:22,400
a party for Charlie Chaplin
After, he finds him out on the

1383
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,400
street.
A second time, he gets drunk and

1384
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,400
he has all these, all his
friends over, and somebody puts

1385
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,200
a whistle in Charlie, Chaplin's
mouth.

1386
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:30,900
And Charlie, Chaplin is slap on
the back, and then swallows the

1387
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:34,000
whistle.
And there is this extended gag

1388
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,200
where there's like an opera
singer.

1389
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,900
That's going to perform a little
song.

1390
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:42,200
You know, an aria or something
in the room and chaplain starts

1391
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,700
coughing and every time he
coughs, it makes a whistle

1392
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:48,000
sound.
And he interrupts it and they

1393
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,500
all look at him and then he
stops and then they get ready to

1394
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:53,000
start again.
And then the whistle starts

1395
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,800
again, and it happens like three
or four times and the sheer

1396
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,700
comic timing of that moment.
I was like, oh my gosh, I have

1397
01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:05,100
seen this kind of moment
replicated for decades and

1398
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:09,300
decades and decades and in the
spirit of bodily fluids on

1399
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:13,900
screen, it reminded me of this
moment in the first Austin

1400
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:16,200
Powers international Man of
Mystery.

1401
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:21,400
Yes, when right, after Austin
Powers gets be thawed, he has to

1402
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,900
p.
And this p goes on for like 45

1403
01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:29,000
seconds and then every single
time you think the scene is

1404
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,300
gonna go on.
There's just a slight, little

1405
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:35,300
dribble more of p.
And it is truly Chaplin himself

1406
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:38,500
would be proud and like,
honestly, the more I thought

1407
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:42,800
about it, the more I realized
Mike Myers really, really leaned

1408
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,000
heavily on chaplain in those
movies and the weather way that,

1409
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,900
you know, No, the physicality of
it but also just the comic

1410
01:20:48,900 --> 01:20:52,700
timing of those scenes.
I just, you know I can never

1411
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:56,000
recommend Austin Powers highly
enough so that's my let's make

1412
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,500
it a double that's he's having
never seen in Austin Powers.

1413
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:04,200
What what?
But Brad you've seen a Chaplin

1414
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,400
film.
How have you never seen?

1415
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:06,600
Austin Powers.
Come on.

1416
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,300
Hey I'm a man of culture.
What can I say?

1417
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:13,100
All right guys, it is time for
us to give final scores on this

1418
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:15,200
movie.
I will get mine out of the way

1419
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,000
right now Brad.
This is Only one of my top 20 or

1420
01:21:18,008 --> 01:21:21,100
25.
Movies of all time is a 10 out

1421
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:27,700
of 10.
The end Bob, I am going to let

1422
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:32,900
Mariah go first.
Oh yeah, I mean I think it's

1423
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:36,500
also a 10/10.
I feel like I think it's a

1424
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:38,100
perfectly weighted, I don't
know.

1425
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:46,200
So here's here's my caveat.
I will come back and score this.

1426
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,800
Us another day.
I'll score it today, but I'm

1427
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,700
gonna come back, watch the movie
again at some point once I've

1428
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:56,900
watched more silent film, like I
trust your guy's opinion having

1429
01:21:56,900 --> 01:22:00,200
seen, I don't know, a billion
silent films at this point

1430
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,200
between the two of you.
I just haven't seen another

1431
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,900
silent films.
And I don't know how to gauge

1432
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:11,500
this against other movies that
I've watched because every

1433
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:14,900
single other film I've watched,
has had sound attached to it.

1434
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:19,000
I'm going to go ahead and give
this an eight and a half out of

1435
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,300
ten and that's just based purely
on your level funny.

1436
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:29,200
Now, say it again, your love of
Fellini my deep and adoring love

1437
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:34,200
of Federico Fellini.
Yes, obviously, that's just

1438
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,200
based on my enjoyment.
I like, it was hilariously

1439
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,200
funny.
I really enjoyed it.

1440
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,700
One of the one of the better
comedies I've watched I think

1441
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:45,700
that I could probably come back
and give this a nine, nine and a

1442
01:22:45,700 --> 01:22:46,800
half.
Its Some point.

1443
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,300
But for today I'm going to sit
and at an eight and a half.

1444
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,500
All right.
There you have it between Brad

1445
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:55,900
and I we are at a nine point,
two five out of ten.

1446
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:58,900
Now, I do not expect that a lot
of film, and whiskey nation has

1447
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:01,900
seen this movie, but if you
have, I would like to know what

1448
01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:03,900
you think.
If we have inspired you to go

1449
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:07,600
watch your first silent movie.
Once again, a plug for the fact

1450
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,400
that it is 82 minutes long and
it is currently streaming on HBO

1451
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,700
Max or Max, as it has rebranded
to now, and you can watch it

1452
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:17,800
with your age.
Nine and ten-year-old like yeah

1453
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:19,900
totally fine.
You know as long as she can get

1454
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:24,700
over a couple suicide jokes, you
should be good, but we're at a

1455
01:23:24,700 --> 01:23:27,300
9.25.
Let us know what you think you

1456
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:31,000
can find us on our social medias
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

1457
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,900
and Tick-Tock at film whiskey.
Or you can jump onto our

1458
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:37,300
Discord.
We are on there every single day

1459
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:41,000
talking to you guys, the fans of
the film and whiskey podcast.

1460
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:44,900
So please join the conversation.
You can find a link to our

1461
01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:47,400
Discord at the end of every
Engel one of our show notes.

1462
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:50,000
We want to thank our guests
again today, Mariah Gates

1463
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,500
Mariah.
I'm going to turn the floor over

1464
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:53,000
to you.
Is there anything you'd like to

1465
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,300
plug and where can we find you?
Sure, I think I said, would plug

1466
01:23:57,300 --> 01:24:00,200
my sub stag.
It's is where like, in the

1467
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:04,400
2010's again, where newsletters
are the new blog, which are the

1468
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,800
new Twitter, but it's old films
flicker that sub stack.com.

1469
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:15,800
I write a every Friday.
I write a feature called strike.

1470
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,900
Women viewing guide where I
recommend seven films directed

1471
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:23,100
by women to watch every sea of a
film a day for the whole next

1472
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,200
week.
Usually, it's one or two new

1473
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,600
releases and then five to six
streaming pics.

1474
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,200
I just recently hit over 500
films recommended.

1475
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:37,300
Well, there are lots of films
directed by women and

1476
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:39,800
occasionally, I will talk about
silent films on that as well.

1477
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,300
But on the sub stack itself, I
also that's where I tend to do

1478
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:47,600
my writing about silent film.
Because believe it or not,

1479
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,400
people did not pay that much.
Although coming out of Babylon,

1480
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,700
I did get several pieces and
that and then strangely Harold

1481
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:59,700
Lloyd's safety last hit 100
years last month and I said,

1482
01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:02,700
okay me to write about that and
I was like everything's coming

1483
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,400
up Mariah.
So if you are a listener who

1484
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:08,600
does have money, and once
writing about silent film,

1485
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,100
please contact me, but
otherwise, I write on the

1486
01:25:11,108 --> 01:25:15,700
subject, I just launched a
feature called called you are

1487
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:18,700
silent.
Ace where which is a new orders

1488
01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:21,900
on that.
I love, but we're right about.

1489
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,800
I've only done one so far.
I did it was Mary Astor but

1490
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,700
mostly I write about our plan to
write about silent film.

1491
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:34,100
Actors, who transitioned
successfully at are, maybe more

1492
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:37,000
known for their acting in
talkies.

1493
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,400
So, for example, Mary Astor is
probably best known for Maltese

1494
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:46,600
Falcon among the other 1940s
films but she was One of the

1495
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,300
actresses to sort of come out of
the late era of the silent film.

1496
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:52,100
And that's, that's how she
started.

1497
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,700
And she's got the most
expressive eyes.

1498
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:58,200
And there's a lot of actresses,
like that, like Norma Shearer,

1499
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,400
who was the queen of MTM.
I'm going to write one about her

1500
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,800
at some point, just to get
people sort of thinking about

1501
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,200
these stars that maybe they
think, in other than one mode

1502
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:14,700
And are afraid to go back and
look at the silence and and try

1503
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:16,900
to get people interested, Joan
Crawford's another one.

1504
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:18,500
I'm going to write about it at
some point.

1505
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,100
So I want to sort of highlight
some of those actors that got,

1506
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,600
you know, the we're able to
transition.

1507
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,000
But now they're silent films are
sort of the ones that people

1508
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:31,500
take for granted.
I just keep hearing like

1509
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,600
Crossover with film and whiskey
episodes were like, I will talk

1510
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,900
about Mary Astor all day because
nestor's amazing, she's got an

1511
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:41,300
iv personal life to that.
Sad, Brad down and just told,

1512
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:43,500
like I made Brad, watch Meet Me
in st.

1513
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,500
Louis, because it's may be my
favorite movie of all time.

1514
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:48,400
And I was like, Mary Astor in
the scene where they sing the

1515
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,400
song You and I is like one of
the best pieces of acting I've

1516
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,600
ever seen in my life.
You know, you know why, she's so

1517
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,000
good.
Why is he started what acting?

1518
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:02,100
She said they had faces.
That's why she's so good Brad

1519
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,700
before we get out of here.
I want to do one thing.

1520
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:05,300
We've never done.
On the history of filming

1521
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:06,900
whiskey podcast.
Oh my goodness.

1522
01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:11,100
My favorite Charlie.
Chaplin movie is on the docket

1523
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:15,100
for next week and that is modern
times is a film that like goes

1524
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:18,400
back and forth with City Lights
as you know chaplains greatest,

1525
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:22,600
do you want to do it next week
or do you want to do the two

1526
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,800
other Chaplin films?
First, and do that?

1527
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:29,600
One last, would it be better for
you to do them head-to-head or

1528
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,800
to get more chaplain context and
then do that one?

1529
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,600
At the end of the series, man.
Look at, I just want to savor

1530
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:42,300
this moment of Bob, giving me a
choice like that light has

1531
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:47,500
happened for 15 of our, what 202
movies, where I actually had a

1532
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:53,100
say in what was happening.
Bob, I think that we should just

1533
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:54,800
forget chaplain for a few
movies.

1534
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:00,500
And go into some I don't know.
Mariah can guide us who's to say

1535
01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:06,200
no, Max Linder.
Yeah, Max Linder.

1536
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,500
Let's throw them in there.
No, I think we should do the

1537
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,400
other two films first.
Okay.

1538
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,800
I'd like a little more time
before to, you know, get my feet

1539
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,800
wet before I jump into modern
times.

1540
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,700
Well then, what we're going to
do is we're going to throw it

1541
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:23,900
back a few years from this, and
we're going to look at 1925 s

1542
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,800
the gold.
Rush next week so we'll be

1543
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,100
watching the Gold Rush week.
What we're calling an audible on

1544
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:31,900
film and whiskey for the first
time in history.

1545
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:34,500
Thank you for that Brad.
And thank you once again to our

1546
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:38,500
guests, Mariah Gates, we will
see you next week for the gold

1547
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:42,300
rush, but until then I'm Bob
book, I'm Brad G and we'll see

1548
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:42,900
you next time.