Amadeus / Redbreast 12 (with Bonus Interview)

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In 1984 director, Milos Forman
and star F.

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Murray Abraham gave the world a
scandalous foray into the

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legendary life of Wolfgang
Amadeus.

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Mozart in 2019.
We returned to Europe to try one

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of Ireland's.
Most famous whiskeys.

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The film is Amadeus.
The whiskey is redbreast 12 and

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we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book.

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I'm Reggie.
And this week.

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We are looking at the 1984 film
Amadeus.

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Now, this is the 35th
anniversary of the, this Oscar

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award-winning film 35 years.
Yeah.

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That's a really long time.
Hey, It really is one might say

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it's 35 rotations of the Earth
around the Sun.

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Indeed, today.
We're actually coming to you

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from live from Brad's house
spreads, how it is a beautiful

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summer day.
So we decided to sit out on the

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patio and try some whiskey
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We are super excited to try some
redbreast. 12-year, as you all

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know, Irish whiskey is the best.
So, I'm really curious to try

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this out.
Yeah, we've just come off of our

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Today.
We're actually going to do

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something a little different
with the episode.

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We're going to go a little bit
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I'm sure some of you are already
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end of today's episode, we are
going to throw.

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Over to an interview.
We conducted down in Lexington,

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Kentucky with a great retailer
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bourbon.
They specialize in unique and

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they are purveyors of fine,
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That was the word.
I was thinking of vintage

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vintage whiskey.
So, so, we're going to wrap up a

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little bit quicker today, but
please stick around and listen

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to our interview with Justin.
Sloan from Justin's house of

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bourbon.
All right, but back to Amadeus,

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Brad.
The million-dollar question, had

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you seen this movie before this
viewing.

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I had never heard of this movie
until I saw it on the list that

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you gave me.
Yeah, it's kind of funny because

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I feel like people who have seen
this movie.

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Really hold it in high regard,
but it kind of I mean, it's A

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Hard Sell.
It's a movie about classical

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music.
It's not like it's you know,

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Bohemian Rhapsody where you can
just sell somebody on the idea.

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Freddy Mercury Bob.
Can you tell me how much you

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loved the movie?
Bohemian Rhapsody me, and

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Rhapsody is my favorite film of
all time.

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Brad.
Wow.

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Yeah, it beat out Casablanca.
It really did.

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Yeah.
Can you like really delve?

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Vin to the depth of the
characters portrayed and I don't

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think a movie has ever been
better written than Bohemian

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Rhapsody, man.
We should probably do this next

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week.
I think we should, or we could

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just stick to Amadeus because
it's a million times better.

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So here's the thing, the problem
with Amadeus.

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Let's hear it.
It's just too long.

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It's a long movie.
It's a really long movie.

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And in my mind, I feel like you
could cut out, 30 minutes of

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this and it would be a great
movie.

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You know, what's funny is I have
always really, really like.

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Smoothie and I sat down to watch
it with my wife and I said, all

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right.
Listen, it's 2 hours and 40

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minutes long and at the end of
it I said wow, I still really

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like this movie but a half-hour
was the number.

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I came up with to, it could have
had 30 minutes Less in it and it

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would have been nearly perfect.
Yeah, I remember I got it on an

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old-school DVD and I actually
had to switch the DVD to the

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other side to finish it.
Yeah, and so like literally on

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the tracker, the bottom and said
that I had an hour and 47

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minutes when I put on the other
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And it said that I had like 59
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Left.
I was just like, oh man, I need

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a drink.
So here's the funny thing.

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You know, I actually made sure
that Brad got the old-school DVD

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because this movie when it came
out in 1984, it clocked in at 2

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hours and 40 minutes in 2002.
The director Milos Forman, had

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the opportunity to create a
director's cut and he did and he

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screwed the pooch.
He upped it to three hours in

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length.
He added 20 minutes of material.

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Now, there's one scene that was
cut out, that a lot of people

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think, was kind of a key scene
where the main character of the

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Salieri kind of humiliates and
shames and Sadducees Mozart's

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wife, and we'll get into that
the the scene where that's been

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deleted from, but the rest of
it, I've been told, is not even

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worth it at three hours in
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And so I said, Brad, listen, if
you don't want to be watching

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this movie for three hours, you
need to go to the library and

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find the old two hour and 40
minute version, because you

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can't find it on DVD or Blu-ray
anymore.

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They only released the three
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Yeah.
I think that directors cuts are

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really interesting beasts.
Yeah, because sometimes You do

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get into a movie that, you know,
and love.

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And you're like, wow, like I
wish that this had been in the

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original showing sure.
But for whatever reason, whether

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it's Studio pressure, or you
know, time crunch, they're not

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always able to finish it the way
that they want to, but the

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problem is a lot of times you
get into directors cuts and it's

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it feels like the directors just
indulging themselves.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Well and I think that what

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really bothers me about this
director's cut is that this

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movie won Best Picture?
This movie was on the original

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AFI top. 100 list and it wasn't
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It was the 2 hour and 40 minute
version and in addition to best

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picture, this movie actually won
eight Oscars.

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That's amazing.
Yeah, it's only one picture.

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Can I can I guess let's do it
costume.

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It one costumes.
Well, I guess it wouldn't be

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original music because yeah, it
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Okay.
Did any of the actors win?

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Yes, I'm gonna guess that
scalieri or F Murray Abraham one

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supporting actor.
No best actor.

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He won.
Beth Murray, Abraham.

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Best actor idea?
See I didn't know if they would

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classify him or Tom whole says
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Yeah.
So this is one of those rare

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years where both of the lead
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each other for best actor.
See ya.

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I was right?
Yeah.

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It happens sometimes.
Well, that's really what else

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did It win?
So it won best, picture Best

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Director, best adapted,
screenplay best actor, best art

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Direction and costumes, and
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And that we Define art
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It's also been called set
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Kind of like everything on
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an apartment, it's how they
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You know, it's is there a bag of
chips on top of the

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refrigerator?
All those decisions are made by

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somebody on set and that's
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Direction.
Okay.

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So Brad, you said, you'd never
even heard of this movie.

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Before we sat down to watch at
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Is there another movie called
asmodeus?

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I don't think so about a snake.
No, because when I when I first

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saw the title for this, I would
get thought it was going to be

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like a suspense horror film
about like a giant snake like

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chasing people.
All down and killing them before

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we hit record.
We had to remind Brad, that the

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name of the movie is actually
Amadeus and not asmodeus as you

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like to call it.
I'm just gonna just walk on the.

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That's the Wolfgang.
Amadeus Mozart.

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So when you sat down to watch
Amadeus, what I did not watch

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any such movie, what were your
thoughts going into it?

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What were you expecting?
I really didn't know what to

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expect.
I definitely was not expecting

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Mozart to laugh, the way he
left.

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Yeah that I just don't know if I
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Is there any historical proof
that he laughed?

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I don't think so donkey.
There's not a lot of historical

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proof that anything that
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Oh, that's good to know, because
it was a very interesting movie

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to say the least.
Yeah, so going into the movie,

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while forget going into the
movie.

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We should probably just do
brushes.

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Do Brad explains.
Yeah.

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I should probably explain this
movie for about 2 hours and 47

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minutes.
I think.

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So, it might take that long
except to explain everything

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that happens.
The very shortest synopsis is

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this is supposedly Lee a story
about the life of Wolfgang

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Amadeus Mozart, however, it's a
story that is told Through The

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Eyes of one of his main Rivals.
His musical Rivals, scalieri,

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salieri, salieri.
Yep.

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Okay.
So salieri is this Italian guy

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who is the court composer in
Austria for the emperor?

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Ed Rooney and Rooney.
What's the name of the emperor?

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Yes forever.
Rooney.

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It's just so funny to see the
guy from Ferris, Bueller, that

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cast, the emperor that threw me
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Like when I saw him, come on
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I was like, wait a second.
Is that?

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Yeah, is that principal Rooney?
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So anyways, it's about their
rivalry over the years and how

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salieri is a older musician, who
realizes the Brilliance of

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Mozart, and he spends his entire
life trying to ruin Mozart's

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career.
And according to him at the end.

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He kills most Mozart rights.
And so the whole movie is told

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as a flashback salieri is in a
prison Asylum, basically, Alec

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an insane, asylum in insane,
asylum, and he is giving his

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confession to a priest.
Yep, and he's talking about all

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the different things that they
did and how poorly he treated

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Mozart and how he pretended to
befriend him and the internal

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struggle that that brought.
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It was really well done.
Yeah, so I want to talk for a

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second about Milos Forman, the
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He actually Very famous in
Hollywood at this point, because

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he directed in 1975.
He did the movie One.

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Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,
with Jack Nicholson.

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And this was kind of like his
big return to form.

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And what I love about what
Foreman does in this movie is

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you could tell he's kind of
having fun.

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Like there's some kind of like
weird sadistic jokes going on.

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In this movie.
There's there's a moment where

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salieri as the old man talking
to the priest is talking about

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his childhood and how his dad
was really hard and oppressive

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on him and then he says, and you
know what?

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And next a miracle and cut to
his dad's dead.

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Yeah, and it's like this joyous
music.

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Yeah, and I think it's really
cool to see how Foreman isn't

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taking the sub.
It's really serious subject

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matter, but he finds ways to be
really playful with it in almost

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like perverse ways.
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And one of the one of my
favorite things about the movie

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is that the way he used the
classical music, truly portrayed

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it in the best sense possible.
So that You could you could

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understand why classical music
has been a thing for hundreds

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and hundreds of years.
Yep, the way he used it,

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especially in that scene where
you know, salieri says that his

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dad died and they give that
Triumph and bit of music.

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It's almost it's just perfect if
it's everything that he did.

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And so I think really the reason
this movie won Best Picture in

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my mind would be because the
music was used.

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So perfect.
Yeah, to illustrate and

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illuminate, where the characters
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At any point in the movie?
This like this.

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Seems like the kind of movie,
that would come across really

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pretentious, and stuffy.
But for sure, you know what I

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mean, but then, you turn it on
and there's fart jokes and no

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one's talking with an accent.
Everyone has an American accent,

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right?
And I think Foreman is doing

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this thing where he wants this
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possible because in order to
take you to some of the darker,

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more theological things that are
going on in the story that you

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have to be on board from the
beginning.

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And that's kind of what I love
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It's like, We don't care about
historical accuracy.

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We're not going to be speaking a
different language.

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No one's going to have an
accent, but you're going to be

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along for the ride anyway,
right.

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And then like, I could see
somebody doing this movie in

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2019 or 2020 and doing it all in
German and Italian.

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Yeah, and you know speaking
those languages and I could see

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it being a really beautiful
artistic movie, but I couldn't

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see it winning best picture.
No, not at all.

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So I do want to talk about the
story a little bit because this

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this was adapted from From a
play, which had been really

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successful play and the author
of the play, actually adapted it

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to the screenplay this movie
from like the first minute,

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almost is a movie.
That's about someone's

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relationship with God.
F Murray Abraham who plays

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salieri he's talking about how
he saw in Mozart God's gifts of

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Music, perfected, and he become
so enraged.

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And so jealous.
Because he'd been trying to

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please God with his gift for so
long and he realizes he's not as

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good.
Is Mozart that.

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He vows not to make Mozart his
enemy, but to make God his enemy

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and in order to kind of get one
over on God, he wants to destroy

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Mozart and prove that he can win
against God.

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Yeah.
He essentially turns Mozart into

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the Paragon of God, like the the
the champion that God has sent

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to this earth to represent
himself.

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Yeah sure.
And he had a misconceived notion

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that he was supposed to be that
champion that he was supposed

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to.
Be the one representing God's

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musical genius on this Earth and
then he runs into Mozart and 10

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seconds later.
He just realizes I can never

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come close to this to this young
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It's true.
And there's something about this

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that like I related very deeply
to salieri because having run

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track for 10 years.
All through middle school, high

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school and college.
You come to realize that it's at

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some point.
I could train like an Olympic

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Athlete.
I could train six days a week.

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You know two or three workouts a
day.

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I could have all the nutrition.
I could do everything right and

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yet some people are still just
going to be faster.

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Yeah, and they could just roll
out of the track eating a Big

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Mac.
Yes.

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Run circles around and just run
circles around me.

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Absolutely.
And I think that's kind of where

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salieri fell of this sense of
like I've worked so hard at this

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and I do have a moderate measure
of talent that has been granted

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to me, but it doesn't matter.
Yeah, and it's not just that

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there's someone that's better
than him.

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It's that Mozart's better.
Than him and he doesn't even

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try.
Yeah, and he, it's almost like

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he flaunts it, like he can just
roll in.

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There's this great scene where
Mozart first gets kind of

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summoned to The Emperor's Palace
and salieri has composed a march

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to play when Mozart comes in and
Mozart.

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Here's at one time through and
says, hey, can I have a go at

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that?
And they're all like what you

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mean after hearing it once?
Don't you need the music?

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Yeah, and he sits down and
basically says, oh yeah, this is

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really simple and then he plays
for men and and he says, oh it

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just repeats from here.
The rest is just the same.

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It doesn't really work.
Does it?

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Did you try?
Shouldn't it be a bit more or

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this?
But he's thinking,

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That doesn't quite work.
Does it?

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Why don't we let me do something
else here and he basically

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rewrites salieri's music in
front of him.

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And that's kind of the turning
point for salieri.

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That's yeah, that's where he
realizes.

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I need to destroy this person.
Yeah.

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Yeah, for me.
I think, the most interesting

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thing is the very first scene
that you see, Mozart, you see,

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him chasing his future, wife
around an empty room and an in

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this huge Palace and he is He's
obnoxious.

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He's obnoxious.
Yeah, he's raunchy.

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He's kind of gross.
Like like he's making like

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little little kid jokes.
Yeah, basically like you would

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expect a 13 year old boy to
make.

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Yep.
And yet he's I don't know.

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How old would you say?
He is at the start.

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I don't know.
I mean maybe 2022.

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Yeah, so he's supposed to be in
his 20s and yet he's acting like

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a 12 year old, right.
And celery sees this and he's

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like, oh, well, this is Mozart.
Like he doesn't take his craft.

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Seriously.
He doesn't care about it the

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way.
I do and this is one of the

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things I love about this movie.
Is it really does.

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Go to some places in the human
psychology where we don't like

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to admit that we've had these
thoughts before, but like when

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you are presented with someone,
who's better than you at

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something, you kind of do
question.

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Is this Fair?
Like, haven't I been working

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hard enough at this?
And how can this person just be

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better than me?
And there's some great quotes

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that they give salieri to kind
of drive this point home.

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He starts talking about how he
came to Vienna, and, and he says

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that, I made a name for myself
here.

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And then he says, everybody
liked me.

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I liked myself until he came.
Yeah, and you get this sense

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that salieri's sense of
self-worth is wrapped up in the

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approval of others.
Right?

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And I think that, at the end of
the day, he knows, he's not as

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good as Mozart and that's what
sends everything crashing down

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is that he knows I will no
longer have the approval of

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others, because they can see
just as plainly as I can.

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That there's someone out there,
that's even better than me, but

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the place salieri goes with it.
All right.

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Well, if I can't be the best,
then there is no God.

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I am the enemy of God and I will
destroy God's creation, which is

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a funny place to come to,
because he does kind of say

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that, like, there must be no
God, but I'm going to be the

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enemy of God, which is like, if
there isn't a garden, could you

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be his enemy?
Well, he starts going through

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these.
He really does go through kind

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of a Dark Night of the Soul
though, because he has this

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great quote, where he he's
talking to the priest and about

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God.
And he says, if God didn't want

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me to praise him with music.
Why did he implanted?

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The desire in me like a lust in
my body and then deny me the

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talent.
I mean it really is.

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It gets into these really
complex areas of yeah, salieri

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genuinely did have the desire to
make music and for a while, at

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least he did have the desire to
praise God through music, but

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then he even recognizes the
limitations of himself.

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Right?
And he comes to this point where

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he's still writing music and
he's still, you know, writing

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operas.
And at one point, one of his

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operas is announced as the
greatest Opera in Vienna, right?

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And the Rooney announces him.
Yes, you know, the greatest

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composer that the world has ever
seen, right and all this, but

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you get the sense even in those
moments.

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I think the problem with salieri
is that he initially found all

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of his self-worth and the
opinions of others.

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Yeah, but once Mozart arrives,
he only finds his self-worth and

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Mozart's opinion, absolutely.
And so, even when the emperor

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announces him to the public, as
the greatest composer in the

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world, it's not enough.
Yeah.

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And his anger is still present
within his heart because he

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personally knows that he isn't.
Yeah.

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So why do we talk about the
performances for a minute?

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We're going to get ready to
break here and drink some

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whiskey but there really are
only two big performances in

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this movie.
And that's F Murray Abraham as

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salieri and Tom Hulse as Mozart.
So Brad tell me about both of

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them.
Which performance did you prefer

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or did you think one stuck out
more than the other or did they

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work together?
Really?

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Well, that's so hard.
Because the there's kind of that

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that Where if a character
annoys, you does that mean that

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they you know, you don't like
their performance or they're

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just really good at being what
they're supposed to be and

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that's kind of where I would
Place.

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Tom holes as Mozart like the way
he laughs.

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Oh, yeah, makes me want to
strangle a small cat.

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Oh, yeah, like I think it's
supposed to and that's the

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thing.
It's supposed to.

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But does that make me like his
performance or hate is for for?

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Yeah.
Sure.

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So he kind of drove me nuts, but
it and it wasn't just in the way

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that he laughed.
It's in the way that he

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approached the world in the way
that That he was just so

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flippant and he was so.
But in the end, that's exactly

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what they wanted him to do.
So, yeah, I would honestly say

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that I think Tom Hulse gave a
better performance, you know, I

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would actually agree, salieri is
performance, F Murray Abraham as

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salieri.
He basically gets to walk around

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chewing scenery all day.
Like as the old man, he gets to

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be this diabolical.
Listen to what I did to God's

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creation.
As a young man, you gets to be

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this sort of vengeful person.
And I think the harder

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performance is Tom Halls.
As I'm as Amadeus Mozart, it's

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asmodeus.
Asmodeus.

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And that's because you see where
he goes from.

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You know, what a 20-something
Carefree immature to seeing his

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life, kind of get destroyed
piece by piece and how every

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Opera he writes less and less
people come, the emperor is not

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satisfied with his music.
He becomes more and more

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destitute and desperate for
money.

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And I think by the end where you
see Mozart on his deathbed, that

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vision of that, young Carefree
boy is completely gone and I

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think Tom Halls delivers A
fantastic performance.

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All the way through the film.
Yeah, he really showcases the

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ability to devolve, you know, a
lot of characters in a lot of

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movies that we see, we want to
see them grow, and we want to

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see them move forward and become
better people by the end.

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Yeah, you can't say that about
Mozart.

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No, and so to turn in a
performance, that Tom Holtz did

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of showcasing somebody's descent
into madness descent into

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destitution and poverty.
He really, portrays.

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It in a phenomenal way.
Mmm-hmm.

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Talk to me about Elizabeth
barrage is performance.

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I'm really curious about what
you thought about her in this

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move.
I don't know what I think about

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her and I think in some degree
like Milos Forman cast that role

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perfectly because she kind of
just does come across as like a

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little girl.
Yes that she doesn't she's

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completely oblivious to whatever
is going on.

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But at the same time, I don't
know that she's a fantastic

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actress.
Yeah.

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That was my struggle.
I couldn't tell if she was

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trying to be cute.
Cute or if she just kind of like

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was cute but didn't really know
how to act.

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Yeah, and the thing is I thought
she did certain parts really

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well when she when she got
really angry about things.

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Yes.
I thought she came across really

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strong.
Yep, that she was angry with

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Mozart's, dad for mooching off
of them.

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And and she gets angry with
Mozart for the way that he's

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treating her and just spending
money and not working on the

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things he needed to work on.
Yeah, so and those moments, I

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thought she turned an extremely
convincing performance, but for

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the rest of the movie when she's
just kind of this You naive

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little girl.
You kind of Wonder like I didn't

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know if there was really any
acting going.

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00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,900
Yeah, completely agreed.
So I was a little unsure about

453
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:39,000
her.
How do you feel like the rest of

454
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,200
the Supporting Cast did as a
whole?

455
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,800
I think everybody played their
role as well.

456
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,500
But everyone else in the movie
is kind of a one-dimensional

457
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,000
character, so it wasn't like
they were really flushing people

458
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,300
out.
If you were a good guy, you were

459
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,700
a good guy.
If you were bad guy, you were a

460
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,100
bad guy and that's who you
played and if you're the emperor

461
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,700
you the a you're the emperor.
Yeah.

462
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,500
Yeah, and and that's where I
kind of.

463
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,100
With this movie a little bit.
I just felt like there was so

464
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:07,200
much Focus paid on salieri and
Mozart, but but with it being a

465
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,900
two hour and 47 minute movie,
you did spend a lot of time with

466
00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:14,500
other characters and I just
didn't know if I felt like the

467
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,400
actors in the movie really did a
great job and all the supporting

468
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,300
roles.
Yeah.

469
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,100
Brad.
There's a ton of directions we

470
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,400
can go with this.
I run.

471
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000
I'm really excited to get into
more of our analysis after the

472
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,600
break, but for now, I think that
we need to hop over to Ireland.

473
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:37,100
And that's Rising whiskey.
So we are here.

474
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,600
Trying some Redbreast Irish
whiskey.

475
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,600
It's a 12-year.
Yeah, this is their standard

476
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,400
whiskey.
So they they basically start out

477
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,500
at 12 year.
What I did was we actually

478
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:49,400
bought a sample pack of red
breast and it's just comes in

479
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,000
these 50 ml shot sizes.
So Brad and I are sharing the 12

480
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,200
year.
They also have their lust ow and

481
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,800
their 15-year.
But today, we're just sipping on

482
00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:00,800
the redbreast, 12.
Now, this clocks in at 80 proof.

483
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,400
So, pretty much just a standard
whiskey, right?

484
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,400
Brad.
What are you picking up on the

485
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,000
nose of this one?
It kind of smells like a stream

486
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,400
coming out of the mountains.
Oh, wow, like like a little bit

487
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,500
of moss.
This sounds like complete BS.

488
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,300
I was just like he's just making
this up.

489
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,900
No, I'm serious, man.
It smells really refreshing.

490
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,800
You know, I'm getting two things
on this and its really

491
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000
interesting.
I'm getting some smoke that I'm

492
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,500
used to getting on a scotch.
Not necessarily Pete, but

493
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,400
definitely, some sort of smoke.
And I'm getting a ton of fruit

494
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,300
as well.
I got a lot of like, pair on

495
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:32,100
this.
Yeah.

496
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:34,300
I don't know if you're picking
up fruit, but I definitely am.

497
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,600
So, how would you score?
Or this out on the nose.

498
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,500
I'm gonna give this a seven and
a half on the nose 7 and I'm

499
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:42,200
really enjoying where it takes
us.

500
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,900
Yeah.
I think I'm gonna give you a

501
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,900
seven on the nose.
It's definitely interesting and

502
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,400
it makes me want to try it.
All right.

503
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,900
On the taste Brad.
What are you picking up on the

504
00:24:49,908 --> 00:24:52,100
taste?
So it's a little thin.

505
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:53,800
Yeah.
I think it's a little bit

506
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,000
thinner than I would expect and
I know that the, a lot of the

507
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,700
Irish whiskeys, they don't have
the heaviness that you get from

508
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,500
a bourbon, but this one, I don't
know.

509
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,800
It's, it's thin and it's not
bring a lot of flavor.

510
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,600
Very sweet.
It is thin.

511
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200
It's like a darker fruit flavor.
It's not Citrus.

512
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,000
I can't tell if I can't place it
yet.

513
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,400
It's almost got some weird.
Like, tropical notes to me.

514
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,500
Yeah, like a mango or pineapple.
I was literally just thinking.

515
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,200
It does kind of have that, that
sweetness that you would get

516
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,200
from like pineapple.
Yeah, for sure.

517
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,000
So, not the pair that I was
picking up on the nose.

518
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,800
I do get a little bit of smoke
and I'm kind of surprised at

519
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,900
that.
Yeah, it kind of hits you a

520
00:25:31,908 --> 00:25:36,400
little bit on the back of your
tongue that Hits and its

521
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,700
pleasant.
It's really nice.

522
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,300
I am wondering why they watered
this down to 80 proof.

523
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,300
I feel like this could be a
phenomenal 90-95 roof.

524
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,600
Yeah.
It really just thinking like 90

525
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,900
to 95.
Yeah, would be great for this

526
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:47,700
whiskey.
Yeah.

527
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,700
It's a little too thin, but I
don't know if that really goes

528
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,300
into taste for me.
I like the taste a lot.

529
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,100
I think I would give the taste
an eight.

530
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,900
I'm going to give the taste of
seven and a half, the first

531
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:57,900
moment.
It hit my tongue.

532
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,600
I was a little disappointed.
Yeah, but the more I've sat here

533
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000
and sipped on more of it.
I'm really enjoying this a lot.

534
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,200
I feel like this could be a
really dangerous whiskey because

535
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,600
it goes And so smoothly because
it is a thinner whiskey.

536
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,200
Oh, there's not a harsh burn or
an aftertaste.

537
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,300
Yeah.
This is a good one to sip on,

538
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,300
for sure.
Which leads us into finish.

539
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:15,300
Yeah.
What do you think about the

540
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,600
finish?
The Finish is smooth, man.

541
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:19,700
It's super smooth.
You get that little hint of

542
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,800
smoke on the back of your
tongue, but the longer it sits

543
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,300
on your palate.
The more that sweetness comes

544
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,000
very pleasant.
And I don't feel like I get that

545
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,400
with a lot of Whiskey's.
A lot of times.

546
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,700
I feel like you have that Rai in
there and that Rai will sit on

547
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:33,500
the back of your tongue and
almost sours.

548
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,900
Yeah.
Whereas this the longer It's on

549
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:39,500
my tongue and my palate.
It tastes more and more sweet.

550
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,900
Definitely.
So I'm going to give the Finish

551
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400
an eight and a half, eight and a
half while it's sitting super

552
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600
well for me.
Yeah, it really is refreshing

553
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,100
and, and it doesn't dry my mouth
out.

554
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,400
It doesn't burn going down.
I do wish that there was

555
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,000
something more to it though.
And I think I like it, its

556
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,700
pleasant, but it's just not
enough for me.

557
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,600
I'm going to give the finish a
six and a half.

558
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,900
Yeah.
I think this is one that as I'm

559
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,500
sitting here, we're drinking it
straight like we always do.

560
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,800
Sure, I could see this one being
good chilled.

561
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,500
Oh, absolutely.
Whether or not you put an ice

562
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,400
cube in or you put it into a
chilled glass.

563
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,000
Yep.
I could see this being really

564
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000
good just a little bit of chili.
Yeah.

565
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,800
Alright.
So overall balance, Brad knows

566
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,000
taste finish.
What do you think?

567
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,900
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half.

568
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,100
I think it's a solid balance
from start to finish.

569
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:26,400
The nose does not necessarily
give you everything.

570
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,000
You're going to get ya on The
Taste, but it's really well

571
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,500
balanced.
It's very smooth.

572
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,900
Yeah.
I don't think any component of

573
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,500
the nose taste finish.
Stuck out or led me to believe

574
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:38,800
something else was going to
happen, you know.

575
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,200
Right from the time.
We smelled it.

576
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,500
It was very bright.
It was very fruity.

577
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:44,400
You knew what we were getting.
So I'm gonna go ahead and give

578
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,300
it a seven on the balance, which
brings us to our last category.

579
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,600
Now, that category is value
redbreast is an expensive

580
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,900
whiskey.
It just is they label it on the

581
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,200
bottle as coming from a single
pot still.

582
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,300
I don't really know how much
difference that makes it think

583
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,200
that's mostly just marketing,
but a fifth of redbreast in the

584
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,400
state of Ohio will put you back
64 99 60s.

585
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:07,600
Sixty five dollar bottle of
whiskey.

586
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
I did not know that.
Yeah, this is, I mean, this is

587
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,600
in the upper tier of Irish
whiskeys.

588
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,300
This is what you get.
If you're going classy, it's not

589
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:17,300
Jameson.
It's not tell them.

590
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,100
Or do you get a bottle of red
breast and people know that you

591
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,500
mean business?
Wow, I did not realize it was

592
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,700
going to cost that much.
Yeah.

593
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,400
Honestly that obviously that's
going to push my score down a

594
00:28:26,408 --> 00:28:27,400
little bit.
Yep.

595
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,300
Honestly, this is a really good
like you can taste it.

596
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,300
This is a sixty five dollar
bottle of whiskey.

597
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,100
I would pay like 40 to 45 for
yeah.

598
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,700
Top.
Soooo, so, I guess I'm going to

599
00:28:36,708 --> 00:28:39,900
give it on value a four and a
half.

600
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,400
I think I'm right there with you
Brad, because if this was an 80

601
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,200
proof, I think I might feel
differently, but the fact that

602
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,400
they watered it all the way down
to the lowest possible proof

603
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,000
that you can call something
whiskey and then charge $65 for

604
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,500
I struggle with that.
Yeah, I do too.

605
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,100
All right.
So what does that bring you out

606
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,600
to that?
Brings me out.

607
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,300
We were good.
We're doing really well.

608
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,200
I thought we might break the 40
Mark.

609
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400
We are.
I'm at a 35.5.

610
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,700
It brings me out. 33.
Yeah, yeah, so that brings us

611
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:11,000
out to a little bit over a 34
out of 50, you know, not

612
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,700
terrible, but we're at about it,
you know, where 268 out of 100

613
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:17,600
now, what really brought it down
was that value score, you know,

614
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400
if you really like Irish whiskey
and you want to have a nice

615
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,600
recognizable, fancy classy
bottle on your shelf, then, you

616
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,200
know knock yourself out but I
don't see myself ever spending

617
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,000
$65 on this.
Yeah.

618
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,700
I've had some some bourbons and
Whiskey's and scotches that I

619
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,700
would much rather pay.
Fifty to seventy dollars you

620
00:29:36,708 --> 00:29:39,400
more than this.
Yeah, kind of a disappointing

621
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,700
way to end it because like like
we both said, it's very

622
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:43,100
pleasant.
You enjoyed it a lot.

623
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,900
I mean, it's a very good whiskey
and if we didn't add in the

624
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:50,400
value category, I would have
been at a 31 out of 40.

625
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,300
Yeah, which is a really good
school.

626
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:53,200
Yeah.
Absolutely.

627
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,900
That value, man.
Your pain.

628
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,700
That's a lot of money.
That's just too much.

629
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,700
Yeah.
So this has been redbreast 12.

630
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,700
Brad, any final thoughts.
And would you recommend?

631
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,100
I would recommend it's a good
Pleasant, drinking whiskey.

632
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,500
If you're out at a Our and you
can find it reasonably price

633
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,000
get, you know, a glass of it.
I'd say go for it.

634
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,900
Yeah, I mean, you know, just
knowing what the price of the

635
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:13,100
bottle is.
This is probably going to put

636
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:15,600
you back ten to twelve bucks to
try at a bar.

637
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,300
Right?
I think it's probably worth that

638
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:18,500
just to say you tried it.
Yeah.

639
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,000
I just don't know if you're ever
going to need to spend 65 on it.

640
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,100
Right?
I would recommend based on what

641
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,100
the whiskey itself is not based
on the price.

642
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Yeah, and honestly, I'm going to
I'm going to give away a little

643
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,000
bit of my Amadeus.
I kind of feel similarly about

644
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,500
the movie.
So interesting.

645
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,400
It's a really good movie.
It's solid.

646
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200
It's fun.
It's interesting.

647
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,600
There's just too much of it.
But there's there, whether it's

648
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,600
a price, the amount of dollars.
You're going to spend on this

649
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400
bottle of whiskey or the amount
of minutes.

650
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,900
You're going to spend watching
this movie.

651
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:47,800
Yeah.
It's just a little bit too much

652
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,500
and I think if they cut it down
about 30, yea, whether it be

653
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:56,100
$30, or 30 minutes, you'd have
yourself a phenomenal whiskey /

654
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,600
movie.
Well, let's talk about it.

655
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Why don't we get back into our
analysis on?

656
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:08,900
Yes, asmodeus.
Alright, so that was redbreast,

657
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,600
12 kind of a disappointment,
kind of kind of.

658
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,700
It's hard to explain.
Yeah, it's only the dollar

659
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:16,900
amount that makes it a
disappoint.

660
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,400
Absolutely.
Alright, so getting back into

661
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Amadeus, I think it's time that
we kind of, you know, put on our

662
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,900
thinking caps a little bit and
we get into what this movie is

663
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:26,400
trying to say because they are
dunce.

664
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,300
Caps off.
Well, you thinking caps put on,

665
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,100
right?
Like we said, at the top of the

666
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,100
episode, this movie is intensely
theological.

667
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,200
It's all about what people
think.

668
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,300
Think of God and how people
react to God.

669
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,700
And I think that this movie has
a lot to say and Brad, I wanted

670
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:47,400
to ask you about the big turning
point for salieri, is when he

671
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,500
throws that crucifix Into the
Fire and he makes a vow that

672
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,100
he's going to ruin Mozart.
And the way that he talks about

673
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,900
Mozart is by calling him God's
Incarnation.

674
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,400
And he says, I'm gonna ruin your
Incarnation.

675
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:04,200
And my question is does salieri
succeed, because he says that he

676
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,700
kills Mozart.
And at the end of the movie, the

677
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:11,000
priest is in Such shock and
salieri gets this one last kind

678
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,800
of cackle where he gets to prove
that he was right all along and

679
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,300
that he has defeated.
God.

680
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
How do you view the the overall
message of this movie does

681
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
salieri win.
Bob?

682
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,100
He's in an insane.
Asylum.

683
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,800
Yeah, talking to a priest.
Yeah.

684
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:26,600
He did not win.
You don't think so.

685
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,300
So, and honestly, the reason I
would say it is the very opening

686
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:34,600
scene of the movie when he is
with the priest.

687
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,900
Yep, and he plays the piano.
Yeah, and the Goes?

688
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
No, I don't think I've heard
that tune before as well.

689
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
I wrote that tune.
Yeah, and then he plays a tune

690
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,300
by Mozart.
He goes how I have heard that

691
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,900
tune before you and he starts
humming it.

692
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,100
Yeah.
And salieri says that was his

693
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,200
to, yeah, something along those
lines.

694
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,100
And I think that that's the
answer your question right

695
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,000
there.
Did he win know, Mozart is the

696
00:32:59,008 --> 00:33:03,200
one that people remember Mozart,
is the one who will last

697
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400
throughout the agent.
Not solely re well, and I think,

698
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,500
and the fact, the UK, Even
pronounce his name correctly.

699
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:12,000
I think is what really salieri.
It's not the Eyrie salieri.

700
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,900
Yeah.
No, but, but even before that

701
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,700
seen, the very first scene of
the movie, salieri still living

702
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:19,400
on his own.
And what looks like some sort of

703
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000
like retirement home in the
1700s and he's locked himself in

704
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,500
his bedroom and they break down
the door and they found that

705
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,200
salieri has slit his throat that
he's trying to kill himself

706
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,400
because he feels so guilty about
what he did to Mozart.

707
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,100
And so the character that we get
for the rest of the movie, the

708
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,800
the conniving sort of salieri.
He's just playing a game.

709
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,700
He's toying with the priest and
I think the he beats the priest,

710
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,100
but I don't think he's beaten
God because it's clear that he's

711
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,300
still.
So racked with guilt about what

712
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,900
he did that.
He can't really feel justified

713
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,400
in his actions or comfortably
feel like he has one in this

714
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,500
game against God.
I think his his struggle with

715
00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:01,100
God starts because he just has a
terrible view of God.

716
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,500
Yeah, I think that his
conception of who God is and

717
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,800
what God does is slanted from
the beginning.

718
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,900
You know, he tells God that his
desire was for God to make him a

719
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,600
composer, but he doesn't just
say, make me a composer.

720
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,199
He says make me a composer and
make me be immortal.

721
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,300
He wanted something from God.
He wanted what God could do for

722
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,600
him.
And I think his deal was, as

723
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,800
long as you keep giving me Fame
and recognition, then I'll serve

724
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,699
you but the moment that it was
kind of uphill sledding for him,

725
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,000
the moment.
It got hard.

726
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,699
It's very clear where his
intentions were it was never to

727
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:33,400
honor God.
It was to get recognition for

728
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,500
himself, right?
And and the problem with that,

729
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,000
that I With is the fact that
Mozart doesn't seem to have any

730
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,800
intentions towards God or anyone
other than himself.

731
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Yeah.
He just wants to write his own

732
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
music and enjoy his life.
Yeah, and, and you almost see

733
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,400
him rewarded for that with
immortality, even though his

734
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,300
current life was a struggle,
right?

735
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,200
And so it's interesting because
Sally re really desperately

736
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,800
wanted immortality, but what he
got was a pretty comfy life as

737
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,300
the court, you know composer,
right?

738
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Mozart wanted a Glee.
Eful.

739
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Joyful life or he's chasing
women and you know, doing his

740
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200
own thing and he didn't get that
by the end.

741
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,900
He got poverty and destitution
and Madness but what he did get

742
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:19,600
was immortality.
Yeah.

743
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,500
So you almost see that both of
the characters wanted what the

744
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:23,900
others had.
Yeah, for sure.

745
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:25,600
Well, and getting back to what
you were saying to.

746
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,900
I think, when you look at a guy
like Mozart, who wants not,

747
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,800
doesn't seem to want anything to
do with God and and creates this

748
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,400
beautiful music that's you know,
as salieri sees it.

749
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Like God inspired.
I think there's two ways to On

750
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,900
to that one way is to read the
movie in a really cynical kind

751
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,300
of atheistic way, which is to
say there is no God.

752
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,100
Or if there is a God he doesn't
care about classical music and

753
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,300
you get to be a good classical
musician by being a good

754
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:51,700
classical musician.
It's the story of hard work.

755
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,500
I think the other way to see it
is to see the flaw in salieri's

756
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,100
thinking from the beginning.
Because salieri saw it as a

757
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:03,800
servant of God versus a pagan.
Yeah, but I think the point that

758
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,800
you and I are trying to make is
that I don't really think

759
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
salieri was a servant of God.
Odd to begin with.

760
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,400
He might have thought himself
that way, but he was kind of

761
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,300
setting himself up for a fall,
based on what he wanted from

762
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,700
God, right?
And I think that's one of the

763
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:21,100
big things where, when you're
dealing with with issues like

764
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,700
this.
There's a level of

765
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:28,200
self-awareness to know that what
I want isn't always the best.

766
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,700
Yeah, and usually that comes out
in community and they're the

767
00:36:31,707 --> 00:36:34,100
ones that are able to help you
with that self-examination.

768
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,800
And salieri doesn't have that
know.

769
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,600
He doesn't have anybody to Call
him out of his pride and his

770
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,000
desire to be immortal and part
of that is the circle of people.

771
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,100
He's with everyone that
surrounding the emperor is a

772
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:46,700
yes, man.
Oh, yeah, you know what?

773
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,000
I mean?
So there's no keeping each other

774
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
in check because everyone's just
backstabbing and trying to get

775
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,100
ahead.
And when that's the community of

776
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,900
people you surround yourself
with, then you kind of Bring it

777
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:59,200
on yourself, right?
So Brad, I want to take a really

778
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,100
hard left turn here, the
hardest, the hardest of left

779
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,300
turns, we're going back to
Tarantino.

780
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,000
I'm just getting that you said
at the beginning that you had

781
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,000
not even heard of Has right?
And I do think that this movie

782
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,800
has really fallen out of fashion
with people.

783
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,500
I don't think a lot of people
will have heard of it.

784
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,900
But that doesn't mean that this
movie is not still influencing

785
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,400
media today, and I want to do a
little experiment here.

786
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,300
If you'll just give me a second.
So I've got a clip to play for

787
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:25,000
you.
Brad a bit of a thought

788
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
experiment.
Yeah.

789
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,200
So if you remember the very
first scene in the movie where

790
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,800
salieri's talking about the
first time that he heard

791
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Mozart's music.
Yeah, he starts wax and

792
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,200
poetical.
Yeah.

793
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600
It's saying like this is the
voice of God through music.

794
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:45,900
And then suddenly high above it.
An oboe.

795
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,500
A single note, hanging their
unwavering.

796
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Until a clarinet, took it over.
Sweetened it into a phrase of

797
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,200
such Delight.
I want to throw your memory back

798
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
to one of our favorite TV shows
and they did an omage to the

799
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,900
movie Amadeus in an episode
titled, best burger in New York

800
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:22,700
Robin.
It's so much more than just a

801
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:26,800
burger.
I mean that first bite.

802
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,700
Oh what heaven that first bite,
is the bomb like a sesame

803
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,500
freckled, breast of an Angel
resting gently on the ketchup

804
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:40,200
and mustard below flavors.
Mingling in a seductive Pas du

805
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:48,000
du and then.
A pickle, the most playful,

806
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,300
little pickle, and then a slice
of tomato, a leaf of lettuce,

807
00:38:52,300 --> 00:39:00,300
and a Patty of ground beef.
So, Exquisite swirling in your

808
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,600
mouth breaking apart and
combining again in a Fugue of

809
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,800
sweets and savories.
So delightful.

810
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,800
This is no mere sandwich of
grilled, meat, toasted bread

811
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,700
Robin.
This God. speaking to us through

812
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:20,400
food, So as you can see, I'm a
day.

813
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,900
Is it still going strong in pop?
Culture?

814
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:23,600
Brad?
Yeah, that's crazy to me.

815
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,300
I obviously, I've seen all of
How I Met Your Mother.

816
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,100
If you haven't seen it, go watch
it right now.

817
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,800
Joe.
It's a really good show.

818
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,200
But yeah, that clip I would have
never known that.

819
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,200
Until this moment.
We were watching that and I was

820
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
like, this seems familiar.
And then all of a sudden, I

821
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200
remembered Marshall.
Eriksen talking about his

822
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,100
Burger.
All right.

823
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,100
So let's wrap this up, Brad.
Can you give this movie A score

824
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:48,100
and would you recommend?
I would give Amadeus innate?

825
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,900
Okay, and I I would recommend.
Yeah, it's a solid movie.

826
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:53,800
It's really well done.
There's flaws.

827
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,300
I think that all of the minor
could supporting characters

828
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,600
could use some development and
maybe better actors.

829
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,900
Yeah.
I think there's issues and the

830
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:05,800
main minor character is his wife
who has a pretty major role in

831
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,400
the movie.
Sure, but overall, I think that

832
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,800
F Murray Abraham gives in a B
plus to a minus performance.

833
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,300
I think, Tom holsters Phenom.
Yeah idea to he really gives an

834
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,000
A+ perform a duty to this.
So yeah, I would give it an 8.

835
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,900
It's a really Good movie.
Yeah, it's not something that I

836
00:40:20,908 --> 00:40:22,900
would go back and watch again
anytime soon.

837
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:25,900
Yeah, but it's a good movie.
You know, I had this movie at a

838
00:40:25,908 --> 00:40:28,500
10 on my IMDb and after this
viewing I was like I'm ready to

839
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,500
take her down to an eight.
I don't know if one viewing

840
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,300
should really lower it too far.
But I think for now I'm with you

841
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:34,500
Brad.
I think I am going to give it an

842
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,100
eight this movie really could
have been 25 to 30 minutes

843
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,000
shorter, but it's definitely
worth seeing and if you have

844
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,700
never seen Amadeus, I'm telling
you.

845
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,300
It's not the kind of movie.
You're probably expecting it's

846
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,500
not really pretentious and
stuffy.

847
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,800
It's a movie that that asks big
questions.

848
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,700
But in a way that's accessible
to people.

849
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,900
Yeah, it's amusing.
It's fun.

850
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:56,100
It draws you in the drama of the
movie.

851
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,500
Spirals into Insanity in a way
that you don't often see in

852
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,700
movies.
It's really well done.

853
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,100
But there's something about it
that keeps me from giving a 9 or

854
00:41:05,107 --> 00:41:08,700
9 and a half, which would be my
definition of, you got yourself

855
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,000
a heck of a move.
Yeah for sure.

856
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,300
So there's just something about
it.

857
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,600
That keeps it from that level,
but we're still talking about a

858
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,500
movie.
That's an 8 out of 10.

859
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Definitely is a really good
movie.

860
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,000
I think it did deserve better.
S picture and all the other

861
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,100
awards that got.
And I would definitely

862
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,100
recommend.
Well guys, we thank you so much

863
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:25,500
for hanging in there with us
today.

864
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,400
I want to get us over to
Lexington, Kentucky, where I sat

865
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,300
down with Justin Sloan the owner
and founder of Justin's house of

866
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,100
bourbon.
Let's listen to this interview.

867
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:41,900
Hey everybody.
Welcome to the podcast.

868
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,900
I am coming to you live from
Lexington, Kentucky.

869
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,900
We are at Justin's house of
bourbon.

870
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:48,400
I'm sitting here with Justin
Sloan.

871
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,400
Who's the owner of Justin's
house of bourbon?

872
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,500
Justin.
How are you today?

873
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:52,900
Pretty good.
Get a whiskey in the hand.

874
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:54,900
That's right.
Yeah, we are day drinking.

875
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:56,900
So we're doing real.
Well, so no, nyet.

876
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,100
No, no, not even close.
Don't look at the clock.

877
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:03,700
That's a rookie mistake.
So, Justin is operating one of

878
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,700
the coolest little liquor stores
that I've ever seen, because

879
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:10,100
it's Solis.
Enter Don Bourbon and they

880
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,200
specialize as well in vintage
Bourbon.

881
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:13,800
And so I came in here,
yesterday.

882
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,100
We had found them on Instagram
and Justin and I started up a

883
00:42:17,107 --> 00:42:19,900
conversation and he offered very
graciously to have us.

884
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,400
Come in and do a little
interview and he has poured us a

885
00:42:22,408 --> 00:42:24,500
couple nice pores here.
So why don't you tell everybody

886
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,900
what we're sipping on today?
Yeah, right now we're hitting a

887
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,500
the American Spirit 15-year from
Wild Turkey.

888
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,500
It's a limited edition.
They did a few years ago.

889
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:37,000
Probably is before Campari
bottom, so I can't remember the

890
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,800
year, but came out probably.
Thousand Seven or not seem like

891
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,600
that but it's a fantastic.
Fantastic whiskey.

892
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,500
And we also have a 15-year Knob
Creek a barrel.

893
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,700
Pick that we did recently.
That was pretty, pretty weird

894
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,600
one who picked it.
But to have that many old

895
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,200
barrels.
We ended up with Five Barrels

896
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,300
over 14 years old and 3:15.
So, it worked out great for us.

897
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,600
And we ended up buying them all
and it's a great whiskey, to why

898
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,300
don't we try this American
Spirit?

899
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:06,100
Cheers?
Yeah.

900
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:12,900
Cheers to you, sir.
That's everything you want.

901
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:14,600
No Walter.
I'm sorry.

902
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,800
Wild turkey on steroids.
Yeah, great proof, Justin.

903
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,700
Why don't you tell me a little
bit about the history of this

904
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:24,700
place and how you got into
collecting vintage burdens as

905
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:28,900
well?
Start with myself and just was a

906
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:33,200
hobby that kind of went rogue.
We or I I was buying a bunch of

907
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,000
whiskey and if I liked it, I
would buy multiples and was in

908
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,200
an IT world before this.
And so had a little On the mess

909
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,000
with.
So was fine, whiskey and met my

910
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,100
business partner.
JT the other Justin around town.

911
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,900
He's in Lexington and, and his
brother.

912
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,400
Seth and they their friend, Bob
did the bourbon Review magazine.

913
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,000
So, got him with those guys and
I was planning on taking a

914
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,300
couple years off of work, and I
think two weeks later, I was a

915
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:05,700
bought into the magazine and
couldn't couldn't hardly stand

916
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,400
it.
So it got got dope into there.

917
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,400
And then whenever we got wind
that house, Bill 100 was going

918
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,400
to be passed.
I approached JT and said, hey,

919
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000
let's do this.
We've got the wherewithal, we

920
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,400
got the collection and we can do
something really cool that

921
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,800
nobody's done and kind of beat
everybody, the punch, and the

922
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,800
law went into effect January
1st, and we were open February,

923
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,700
like, six or something.
So it's been been a little bit

924
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:32,600
of fun little ride there.
So we've been open since

925
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,700
February 6, 2018 and and we're
working on a little location

926
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,400
now, so it's a going to be going
to be fun.

927
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:41,600
I can explain.
A little bit to our non Kentucky

928
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,000
listeners.
What this law?

929
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800
How it helped you get open?
Oh, it's been such a good thing

930
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,300
for the state.
But basically it allows us to

931
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:56,800
purchase unopened whiskey or
really spirits that there's a

932
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:59,800
like, three things are criteria.
Can be open, can't be owned by

933
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,000
Distillery.
So, hence, we couldn't bypass

934
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:05,900
the distributor and it can't be
available from distributor.

935
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,100
So if it's if it meets those
three criterias, we can buy it

936
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,100
from an unlicensed individuals.
Violin resell it by the poor or

937
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,800
the or the bottle.
Wow, so it opened it up a lot

938
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,300
and I'll tell you the first, you
know, coming into this, I'd say

939
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:21,700
I would say, you know, half half
the people that came in would be

940
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,200
tourist but it's about 80 to 85
percent of the people that walk

941
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,500
in our door are from out of
town.

942
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:28,900
So it's been great for towards
more in Lexington.

943
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,400
So can imagine what that's going
to do in Louisville, and, you

944
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,500
know, yesterday, I was sitting
here for probably a half hour

945
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,000
and someone came in from
Chicago.

946
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,400
Yep, and this morning, someone's
already come in from Washington

947
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,200
DC.
So it's really cool.

948
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,500
I mean, tell me, It's like as a
business owner.

949
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,800
To know that people are coming
from far and wide just to shop

950
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,400
in your store.
It's crazy.

951
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,300
And we had a Canada.
I got from Canada yesterday.

952
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:52,100
So I mean it's a it's pretty,
pretty humbling and pretty cool.

953
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,000
That, you know, obviously we're
getting the word out there.

954
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,500
We don't spend a lot of money on
Advertising.

955
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,800
We let the bottles kind of do
the, do the advertising on

956
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,700
Instagram and, and, and that
kind of stuff.

957
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,200
So it's really cool that the
word is getting out, and I got a

958
00:46:04,207 --> 00:46:07,500
text message from a buddy, who's
a doctor in Illinois yesterday,

959
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:10,100
and he said, hey, a guy came in
was talking about bourbon.

960
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,300
And who you were and all these.
Like, I thought I was pretty

961
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:13,700
cool.
I was like, that's pretty cool.

962
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,300
So, I mean, it's the words
getting out there and like I

963
00:46:16,308 --> 00:46:18,900
said, is, you know, you can look
on our views and it's nothing

964
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,800
but five star, five star reviews
on Google Facebook.

965
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
And we really pride ourselves
into talking to every customer

966
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,600
that comes in, whether they're
going to spend 10 dollars or

967
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
twenty thousand dollars.
We talked on the same.

968
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,500
We spend the same amount of time
with them.

969
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,100
You can, the way our store set
up, you can't walk in without

970
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:36,000
being greeted.
Yeah.

971
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,500
So we, that's kind of what
we've, you know, instilled in

972
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,500
our Our employees and they do a
fantastic job.

973
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:46,000
Most of the reviews actually
will mention an employee's name

974
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,100
in the review.
So it's been a, it's been a very

975
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,500
cool thing and humbling thing
there and that the employees

976
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,100
take pride in and doing what
they're doing and it's kind of

977
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,100
given us an edge on on any other
really, you know, little

978
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,900
mom-and-pop liquor stores or the
big guys, but you know, we don't

979
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:01,200
have to really compete with
those guys.

980
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,500
So we're kind of our own thing.
So it's kind of cool.

981
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:07,400
Yeah, now obviously the bourbon
boom that we're experiencing is

982
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,500
helping you guys a lot but you
know, my sense is that You are

983
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,800
an OG bourbon Drinker.
And so when you were coming up

984
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,400
and you were starting to collect
all these vintage bottles, like

985
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
what was your most prized
possession, man?

986
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,200
I remember just loading up on
the age Taylor tornadoes and

987
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,100
just loving those and just
drinking them.

988
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,400
I mean, I remember events that
we go to and we would just be

989
00:47:27,408 --> 00:47:30,500
drinking out of the bottle.
I mean, that's just it didn't

990
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:31,800
matter.
We were, you know, we're just

991
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,500
crushing those things.
And, but those, those were the

992
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,100
fun.
Those were the fun times and

993
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:39,000
stuff like the American Spirit
was on the Shelf, you know, you

994
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,500
could as a new Bourbon, you
know, somebody was getting into

995
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,800
bourbon.
You could find these things on

996
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,900
the shelf and really explore.
What is now harder to explore,

997
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,000
but there was a lot, you know,
less things on the Shelf than

998
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,800
there are today.
I mean, we have a whole wall of

999
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,600
stuff.
That's the new stuff that's out.

1000
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,200
So the Contemporary kind of
stuff.

1001
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,900
So that's very exciting to see
that, you know, this whole thing

1002
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,800
has just blown up as far as the
the options are out there the

1003
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,100
the you can go as expensive or
cheap as you want to.

1004
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:09,800
There's great bottles for under
30.

1005
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,000
Under 40 bucks.
Something that's a it's

1006
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,600
definitely not like the old days
but it's still, it's still

1007
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,700
really fun.
Yeah, I mean, has it been hard

1008
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:19,000
to walk that line.
Now as a business owner knowing

1009
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,700
that you have to price stuff it
competitively but also like as a

1010
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:25,500
bourbon lover to know that some
of these really great Bourbons

1011
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:29,900
just aren't available anymore.
Yeah, it's tough to price things

1012
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:31,900
as a business owner.
You know, we have to have

1013
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,000
replacement cost income payroll,
everything because we are doing

1014
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,700
it legal.
So we have to have all that

1015
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,700
stuff built into our cost and it
is discouraging sometimes.

1016
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,200
But At the end of the day, we
don't have a problem selling

1017
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,100
things.
I mean, you know, we it's supply

1018
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,800
and demand and and people are
going to pay for it.

1019
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,500
And if one person one customer,
doesn't pay for it.

1020
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,500
The next one.
Well, so I mean, it's the, you

1021
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,500
know, it's a luxury to be able
to walk in here and find

1022
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:58,100
anything you want to on the
shelf.

1023
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:01,400
And some people willing to pay
that some art and it for me,

1024
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,400
it's like I'm happy to be able
to provide that to you know,

1025
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,300
anybody anybody that can come in
and like like I said, we have

1026
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,300
bottles from, you know, $12.
All the way up to 20,000.

1027
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,100
So, you know, we'll find you
something in your Wheelhouse, in

1028
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,700
your, in your budget, and your
palate wherever you want when

1029
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:20,200
you come in.
Yeah, and it's super encouraging

1030
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,400
to be able to walk into a store
and see the whole line of

1031
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,100
Weller.
What btech or, you know, Pappy

1032
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:28,700
and it's available for purchase.
It's not just for show.

1033
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,300
So what you guys are doing here
is fantastic.

1034
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,700
And I don't mean to hit pause on
our interview.

1035
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,500
Yeah, but I am itching to try
this Knob Creek.

1036
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:39,600
It's a good one.
So now, this is a barrel pick

1037
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,900
that you all did.
It's a barrel.

1038
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,300
Pick, we did.
Yeah, so we like I said, we

1039
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:44,700
picked Five Barrels.
I think.

1040
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,400
And, and we've got some chugging
there.

1041
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000
But we were lucky enough to get
it early in the year, when a

1042
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,800
bunch of them were were coming
out and at the older age

1043
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,300
statement.
Now, I think they're all back to

1044
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,100
not attend every now and you'll
get a 15 or 14 thrown in there.

1045
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:04,400
But man, it's a 450, you know,
56 58 bucks.

1046
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,000
A bottle.
It's incredible.

1047
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,700
I can't believe that's what
y'all are going to price this

1048
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,600
at.
Yeah, so and then that What we

1049
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,000
we price them all but I think
starting July 1st, the the price

1050
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,200
of Knob creaks going up little
Insider information.

1051
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,100
There are 88 dollars a bottle is
going up Kentucky and 16

1052
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,500
Nationwide.
So I'll side of Kentucky.

1053
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:25,700
Yeah, so get by Knob Creek now
before they goes up I just to

1054
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,300
make you all jealous.
This is I mean just on the nose.

1055
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:32,200
It's just a bomb of maple syrup
and brown sugar and I cannot

1056
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,500
this is this might be the most
special whiskey we've had on the

1057
00:50:34,508 --> 00:50:36,600
podcast so far.
So I'm going to make sure to rub

1058
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,800
it in to my co-host Brad, but
let's give this a taste.

1059
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Oh, yeah.
Oh my goodness.

1060
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,800
That might be one of the better
ones we've brought in now.

1061
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Is this a barrel proof as well?
That's 120 proof.

1062
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Well, they they brought it down
a little bit.

1063
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,300
I can't remember.
Going going when we did the

1064
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,100
barrel that probably was, you
know, probably close to a

1065
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:59,200
hundred thirty or so and they
probably brought it down.

1066
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,500
Yeah.
This is great.

1067
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:02,700
Really smooth?
Really Smoky on the, thank you.

1068
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,900
Great.
So Justin, as you guys look to

1069
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,900
expand, you know, you said,
you're starting another

1070
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,500
franchise out in Louisville.
What do you what are your

1071
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:10,800
Ambitions?
What are your hopes for the

1072
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,400
house of bourbon?
Man, we're really kind of locked

1073
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,700
into Kentucky and we could go to
a couple different markets.

1074
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:19,800
But right now we're just want to
focus on on servicing Kentucky

1075
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,400
and the tourists that come to
Kentucky.

1076
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:25,500
Louisville was not expected to
be this soon after we open

1077
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,200
Lexington.
But we, you know, were fortunate

1078
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,200
enough to be very successful
here and want to expand to

1079
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,700
Louisville and and kind of dive
into that the bourbon culture

1080
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:37,100
there, which is such a great
City.

1081
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:41,500
Such a great growing bourbon Hub
and probably Ground Zero for

1082
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:43,700
for, for most of bourbon things
that are going on.

1083
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:47,100
So it's a, it's exciting to go
to go there and expand, but

1084
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,800
after that, I'm not, not really
sure.

1085
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,700
We don't really have haven't
looked too far ahead.

1086
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,000
We want to get want to get level
up and going and see if we can

1087
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,300
handle a little Bland Lexington.
That's what it's a little scary.

1088
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:59,700
Well, I have to say, first of
all.

1089
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:01,000
Justin.
Thank you so much for your

1090
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,300
hospitality.
Thank you for this.

1091
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,900
Wonderful burden.
Thank you guys for coming in if

1092
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,400
you are ever in Lexington.
Kentucky, if you're ever looking

1093
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200
for a specialty bourbon, or you
just want to talk to a couple

1094
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,900
guys who know everything about,
Out this product, come down to

1095
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:16,200
Justin's house of bourbon.
It's right downtown.

1096
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,300
They and they will absolutely
find what you are looking for.

1097
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:21,900
And it's going to be available
either on their shelf or in

1098
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,800
their bar.
So, Justin Sloan, thank you so

1099
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,000
much for getting the podcast.
Thank you so much for having me.

1100
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:27,300
Look forward to seeing you guys
again.

1101
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
So that was Justin's house of
bourbon Brad.

1102
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Seriously.
Cool.

1103
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,200
Cool place.
I next time I am in Lexington.

1104
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,000
I will be getting out to
Justin's house of bourbon.

1105
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,400
Absolutely.
Lee Justin gave us that bottle

1106
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,500
of Knob Creek, 15 year and I
brought some up for Brad to try.

1107
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,200
I cannot wait for you to pop the
cork on that bad boy.

1108
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200
I am super excited to try that
next week.

1109
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,400
We're going to be back talking
about the 1954 Best Picture

1110
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,700
Winner on the waterfront.
We're on weirdest on a best

1111
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:00,200
picture.
We are, we're finally back in

1112
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,900
the Oscar race, meant for the
film.

1113
00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:03,500
And whiskey podcast.
I'm Bob book.

1114
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:05,400
I'm Reggie.
We'll see you next time.