Marcus Choi of "Hamilton" & Scoring Billy Wilder

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On today's film in whiskey, we

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are scoring out the films by
director Billy Wilder, and we're

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doing that while drinking two
whiskies from Virginia,

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Distillery company.
Then we're going over to an

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interview with our friend,
Marcus Choi who plays George

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Washington in Hamilton.
That's all ahead on the film and

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whiskey podcast.
Hey everybody.

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Now, as you all know, since our
loyal listeners are, surely

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tuning into this, Episode.
We're structuring our podcast

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season around mini series of
films by particular directors.

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And we've just finished out our
series by the director, Billy

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Wilder.
He of Classic Hollywood Fame,

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Brad.
We watch three movies by Billy

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this season, Sunset Boulevard,
Stalag 17 and Sabrina and we are

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going to be measuring how good
of a director.

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This guy Billy is.
Anyway, ma based on some metrics

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that we developed Brad.
You want to fill the list.

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Earners in on how we're scoring
Out Billy Wilder, we will be

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scoring him out based on he his
ability to direct actors so the

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performances that he draws out
of them.

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The cinematography how well he
presents the picture to you on

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the screen the editing which
includes the transitions from

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scene to scene, as well as the
sound design for the movie, The

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cohesion, how well does the
movie flow together?

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There is a field disjointed at
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Does it feel like like a whole
story units that make sense

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together?
And finally how unique do these

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three movies make Billy Wilder
mostly among his peers but also

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it you know, in the history of
Cinema.

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How well does he stand out?
What does he bring to the table?

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That other directors don't
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Is he a singular voice in the
history of Cinema?

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A singular voice Singular
Vision.

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Billy while I'm down to the
Wilder side, it was a pretty

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nice.
Clint Eastwood you had going on

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there.
Thanks man.

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I was gonna say, we've only done
this so far with one other

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director and that was Clint
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who fared pretty well, you know,
Clint Eastwood is a darn good

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director and I don't think he
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of a director.
He is darn to Turner to their

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director.
So we shall see how Billy Wilder

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does in our metric, and we're
going to kick things off talking

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about the This is in these three
films.

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Now, again, just as a reminder,
when we do these little

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exercises here, we are not
looking at any other films in

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this directors.
Filmography, you know, Brad and

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I have talked about Double
Indemnity and the apartment and

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Some Like It Hot in Prior
Seasons but we're pretending

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that if we were just figuring
out how good a director is, it

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would be solely on the films
that we looked at for this

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miniseries Zorro.
I'm not gonna lie though, if we

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were basing this off of double
indemnity, I'm like it hot and

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for my third one and the
apartment tens across the board

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man, he might score higher than
Scorsese and Spielberg.

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Yeah.
Tens across the board.

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Yeah, that would be incredible.
Alright, let's talk about the

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performances in these movies.
I think Brad that for the most

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part, they're quite good.
I think my big issue is with a

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couple people in Stalag 17, and
with overall, the character of

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Joe Gillis in Sunset Boulevard,
however, I don't think that's a

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bad, Formance.
So I'm kind of waffling here.

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I think I want to give him a 9
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part the actors pretty much
knocked it out of the park.

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Yeah.
I mean it's hard because Joe

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Gillis wins William Holden a
Oscar in Stalag 17 so it you

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know, it's hard.
It's hard to turn down a role

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that gets you a Noster for a
movie that you didn't deserve an

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Oscar for that's, that's a
pretty impressive feat.

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All right, so yeah, I'll give
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Is Brad.
Where are you coming out on

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performances?
I think I'm actually with you.

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I think that for the most part
he just creates really unique

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characters and finds really
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it.
So yeah, I think nine out of ten

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is good.
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cinematography.
Now again, when we go through

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some of these categories,
obviously we know that Billy

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Wilder is not the
cinematographer on any of these

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movies.
However, like most people in

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positions of authority, the buck
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Him.
So the way his movies look is

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largely up to him and the way
that he communicates his vision

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to his cinematographers, Billy
Wilder has never really been

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known as the most artistic
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way his films look and Brad, I
didn't really get to talk about

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this during the episode, but I
think that Sabrina might be the

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Wilder film.
That has the most attention

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calling to itself camerawork
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Wilder film.
There was a lot of really good

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wonders in that movie.
There were a lot of establishing

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shots that would be like, you
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top of a skyscraper or like the
camera movements were much more

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pronounced than they usually
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And I feel like in most Billy
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like a static camera.
There's not a lot of movement of

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the camera, so, it was
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I think we had kind of a variety
of approaches and especially

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with Sabrina, I thought he
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Very, very well on that movie.
I'll give it an eight and a half

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here.
Yeah, I think in Sabrina, he

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definitely shines in this
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It feels like he did a really
great job early in the film

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before she goes to France of
establishing that she is small

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and young using the camera.
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camera can't leave her.
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attention.
And I think he uses that as a

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device to show her growth and
how William Holden's.

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Character and Humphrey Bogart's
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You know their attention is not
on her at the start and boom it

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like she is the center of
attention from halfway on.

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So I think it does a really good
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I'll give him an 8 out of 10.
There's there's nothing

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spectacular here but there's
enough that he's doing well to

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say like he is very solid.
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So the next two categories are
ones that always kind of bleed

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into each other.
We're going to talk about the

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editing of the films and then
the cohesion or the cohesiveness

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of those Films.
I think I'm going to give him a

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higher score on editing than I
am on cohesion, Brad, but I

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could really go either way.
Do you know what I mean?

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I think with the movie like
Sunset Boulevard, it doesn't

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hang together perfectly for me,
but he does a really good job of

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establishing mood and atmosphere
and I think that's done with

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editing on the flip side.
I think that Stalag 17 is a

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movie that could have used more
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It's like a really Shaggy movie,
and it also does a good job at

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Polishing mood but I think
honestly, if I was going to

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score that movie out, I would
probably call that movie more

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cohesive than well-edited.
Where Sunset Boulevard is the

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opposite.
So I'm kind of struggling with a

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score here.
Well and remember that that

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sound plays into editing as
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So if you're if you're thinking
about the the scores for the

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films and I think I'm with you
for the most part, I'll give him

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an 8 and a half on editing.
I think that for the most part

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he uses Is the movement from
scene to scene, really well, to

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establish, what's happening?
I think that in Stalag 17,

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especially he does a really
great job of of calling

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attention to certain things and
moving the action along.

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When he needs to.
The only problem with the

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editing is I'm with you, there
are certain scenes that just

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draw out a little too long but I
think for the most part he is a

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really solid deserves a really
Loud.

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Score here.
Yeah.

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Brad I think I'm with you.
I'll give him an eight and a

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half on editing.
And then when it comes to

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cohesion, how would you score
him there?

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That's an interesting one.
I honestly, I think this might

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be his weakest category.
I think that in all three films,

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there are just certain story
beats that he either mrs.

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Or lingers too long on there
are, there's moments where I

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feel little bit confused as to
what's happening especially in

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Sunset Boulevard.
I think I'm going to give him a

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7 and a half here.
Yeah, I'm going to do the same

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and I'm with you on the Sunset
Boulevard and like it really

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bums me out to give Sunset
Boulevard such low scores,

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especially since it's such a
highly regarded movie but of the

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three, I think it did work.
The least for me at what it was

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trying to accomplish again, I
still think it's probably a

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better movie than Stalag 17, but
Stalag 17 wasn't aiming.

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So high.
Do you know?

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Do you know what I'm saying?
Yes, yeah.

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The thing, that redeems it here
in terms of his score in this

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category is that I think Sabrina
is a Act movie and that thing

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has together beautifully.
So, yeah, I'm in the same place,

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you are.
I'm in a seven and a half on

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cohesion.
And I am like, looking at our

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last category uniqueness once
again, I made, I'm trying my

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hardest to only evaluate these
three films, but there's part of

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me that's like, I don't want to
give Wilder low score here, but

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compared to his other films and
the impact that those have had

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on my cinematic, Eric taste,
these three don't hit the same

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way man.
Sabrina does I still love

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Sabrina but Stalag 17 doesn't
feel markedly unique for me in

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the world of Cinema and I mean
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Sunset Boulevard would have to
be the most unique.

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You know, I tell it to talk to
me, I'm not sure where I'm, I'm

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Fallin here.
Yeah, I think it's hard to

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separate out what we know about
Wilder outside of these three

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films.
But I am still going to give him

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a 10 here and it really comes
down to his writing.

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I mean, he's just one of the
best screen writers of all time.

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No one really writes like him.
I think if we were going to get

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really nitpicky about it, we
talked about the similarities

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between Sunset Boulevard and All
About Eve.

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So, I think if you wanted to say
like, oh well, you know, Joseph

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L mankiewicz was writing just
Just like him.

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At the same time, you could
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I just when we talk about the
one-liners in a movie like

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Sabrina, no one can do it like
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He had such a wit and it was
such a biting wit that very few

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people had at the time.
So, even on just these three

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films, I don't know that his
peers were making movies like

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this.
I'm going to give him a 10 out

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of 10.
Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know dude,
because if you really think

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about it, like mankiewicz was
writing things like All About

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Eve at the same time.
So, You could probably use that

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as a strike against Sunset
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I don't know if you thought
about that.

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No, no, I thought it's just
Dawning on me right now.

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Yeah, I I know you're glad you
brought me along on this pot.

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You've been dwelling on that one
for a while.

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Haven't I?
I really have.

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This is this is gonna get dark
for a second, are you ready?

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Bob my gosh, I guess.
Yeah.

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I I think one of the reasons I
was going to give him an 8 and a

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half on uniqueness but I think
I'm actually going to give him a

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nine and a half. and I think
it's because like as I as I

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think about the movies, he
writes, He's the only director I

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think I've ever seen with a
willingness to dive into the

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territory of self-harm and
suicide.

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Hmm and I like, I don't know of
any directors I definitely don't

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know.
Any directors back then that

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were really willing to take on
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So I think that that alone makes
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his willingness to take on a
topic that it has had a wild

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amount of social taboo in the
room.

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Just world of the 50s and 60s
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I tell you what, you sure know,
how to send us out on a positive

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note, Brad, don't you?
You got it, ma'am.

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No, I'm with you, dude, I really
do think that there is, there is

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a level of uniqueness just in
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he's willing to Broach.
And so, yeah, I'm coming out to

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a forty, three and a half out of
50.

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Brad, what are you coming out
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I am at a forty two point five.
So not too far off from you.

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Bob know that brings us out to
an average of a 43 out of 50 or

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an 86 out of 100 again.
Like I think Billy Wilder is a

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much higher score in general
than 86 out of 100.

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But even on three films that we
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enjoyment of it.
Says, a lot about the guy that

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he's coming out to an 86 here.
Yeah, yeah, I think once again,

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I truly think if we had his
other three movies that we've

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watched on the podcast here,
he'd be at like a 48 out of.

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Yeah, he would be approaching a
perfect score for sure.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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Like Billy Wilder is truly one
of the greatest directors of all

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time.
If there's I think if there's

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anything to do here Bob it would
be to blame you for picking

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these three movies.
Yeah that's always what we

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should do in instances like this
Brad.

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You know I will say this before
we go over to our Whiskey's.

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You've now seen six movies by
Billy Wilder for this podcast.

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If someone was asking you for a
starting point with wilder,

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where would you send them first?
Double Indemnity and Some Like

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It.
Hot.

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I like that.
Yeah.

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I think I would also go with
Double Indemnity and then if you

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want to go the lighter route, go
Some Like It Hot.

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I don't think you see Sabrina.
Yeah, yeah honestly, I probably

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prefer Sabrina.
I don't think you start with the

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apartment and it's actually my
favorite, Billy Wilder movie.

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I think still to this day, but
you have to get a knack for the

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way that he balances comedy and
tragedy before.

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You can really appreciate just
how perfect of a movie.

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She the apartment is.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And I think the apartment was

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our second one that we did with
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I think no, it was our third.
We did Double Indemnity and Some

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Like It Hot mix.
So maybe I should have had it

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pinned down by then.
But I think I was a little

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cooler on the apartment than you
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Well we're going to go back and
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it's too good to just leave
himself open.

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I am excited to go back to it
because yeah, I think that when

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you're looking at a director,
like Wilder, When you start to

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understand a the world he came
out of and you know Eastern

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Europe 30s and 40s and you start
to understand how that shaped

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his sense of humor it deepens
his films in a really important

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way and I just yeah Wilder is
just an incredible director Bob

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well Brad.
We've got two whiskies to drink

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from Virginia Distillery company
and their vhw line.

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So what do you say?
We get over to those before we

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throw Over to our friend, Marcus
Choi in our interview with him,

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let's get to it.
All right, so, today, we are

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trying to more whiskies from
Virginia, Distillery company.

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If you listened to our last
bonus episode where we scored

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out Clint Eastwood, we tried for
whiskies from this Distillery

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that they bottle under their
courage and conviction line.

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And today we're drinking two
whiskies from their vhw line,

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which is a line of finished
Whiskey's that are partially

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their own distillate.
It's Single Malt whisky

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distilled here in the United
States, that is also blended

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with Scotch whiskey.
So, Got, you know, International

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whiskey represented here, Brad,
and then they finish them in,

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you know, various different
things.

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There's a, there's one that they
call Brewers batch whiskey

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that's finished in beer, casks,
and then there's also a

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Chardonnay Cask finish as well.
But today, we're looking at a

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port, finished one, and a cider
finished one.

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These are both clocking in at 92
proof.

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We can share a little bit more
information about each one as we

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go, but Brad, neither of us have
tried these off are.

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So we're both sipping these
live.

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Yeah, this is a rarity for me,
but my life has been fun.

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Fact, very busy.
All right.

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Which one you want to start
with, man?

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Let's drink The Cider first.
I feel like there'd be a lot

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deeper notes on the port that
might drown out our experience

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with the cider so I like it.
Yeah.

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So we're going to their website.
This cider Cask finished whiskey

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is again made from 100% malted
barley.

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So they finish this Insider
casks that are primarily sourced

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from Enya cideries.
And it says that they leave them

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in there for an additional 8, to
20 months.

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So again, they're blending a
bunch of different finished

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barrels together.
Some of them aging longer, some

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of them, not so much.
I am very excited because fun

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fact about me.
I really like hard cider Brad

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dude.
My parents were in town the

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other weekend, and my dad has
recently gone gluten-free.

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So, he's not drinking beer and
he got, he loves Stella Artois.

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Stella Artois makes a cider and
it's incredible in terms like

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one of the best Siders I've ever
had in my life.

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Wow.
So if you are interested,

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insiders that are not Angry
Orchard.

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Sweet.
Go get yourself.

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Some Stella Artois cider.
I can't believe we just gave

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them that, much free promotion
on our podcast.

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Thanks for that Brad.
Yeah, I just said their name

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like four times in the span of
60 SEC.

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Let's get back to the whiskey.
We're actually.

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Thoroughly reviewing right now
which is the bhw cider Cask

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Brad.
As I knows this, I will say the

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immediate thing that stands out
to me is that this doesn't

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necessarily smell like a 100%
malted barley whiskey.

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The cidery, fluence is really
strong here.

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It makes for this really nice
prickly and and quite frankly

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like apple cider.
Heavy knows that almost brings

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it back around into like a
bourbon or a rye kind of knows.

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Who I don't agree with you
there.

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That it smells what kind of
bourbon or awry for me it almost

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dives into white wine territory.
Interesting, I think that the

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mixture of American and Scotch
single malt mixed with cider.

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It gives it some really
interesting floral notes it gets

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a little bit astringent for me I
don't know.

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Yeah, not in like a crazy way I
but I'm with you.

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It does smell like a really tart
green apple peel.

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It has some of those notes that
we often get on like Irish

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whiskey.
There is a brightness to it and

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I just took a sip man.
I gotta say this is dangerously

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good Brad, like it has all the
characteristics.

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We like in a kind of like Char
Ash forward single malt whiskey

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but it also has that insane.
And drinkability of a hard cider

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that gives it a crispness all
the way across the palate.

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It Mellows out any rough edges
on this and it provides like a

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really, really nice.
I would say mouth-watering

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finish, which is not something
that I expected to get on this.

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I could keep sipping on this for
like hours, man.

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Yeah, I think for me, the barley
comes across strong at the

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start, which I wasn't expecting
based on the nose, but once you

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get through that barley heavy,
Palette.

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Yeah.
It turns into like, it feels

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like you're drinking apple cider
but it's a lot hotter than apple

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cider.
And for me some of those like

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floral notes come through,
there's a little bit of vanilla

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sweetness at the back of my
palettes and then you're right.

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It is very crisp and tart
throughout on your tongue.

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I think that this is solid.
I don't know if I would say

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that.
It's like something I would want

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to drink all the time.
I am.

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I'm really digging this.
In fact, I think you know, if

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I'm thinking back as hard as I
can to the four that we tried

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last time, only one of those
really stood out to me and I

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really, really like that one.
I would put this right up there

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like this is probably of the
five that we've tried.

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Now, this is probably either my
favorite or my second favorite

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offering from this Distillery so
far.

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Yeah, it is.
I will say it is very unique and

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it is very flavorful.
I just don't know if it's

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hitting my palate.
Quite right, I'm struggling a

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little But with the flavors that
they are marrying here.

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Well, I think then that we
should switch over into this

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port finished one because this
is definitely going to be more

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up your alley.
This is, you know, finishing in

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Port casks is almost as common
anymore, is finishing and

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Sherry.
Casks, it's a flavor profile

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that I think we're going to be
really used to, especially as

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much as we've camped out in, you
know, the Glenmore Angie's of

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the world.
So again, this is a port

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finished whiskey, 92 proof, the
port casks, that it is finished

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in it sits in for a minimum of
12 months, Months.

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So we should have quite a bit of
Port influence on this one.

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Brad as you knows it.
What are you picking up on the

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nose?
Yeah, this one once again, comes

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through, if there's anything, I
know about Virginia, distillery

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in Co now it's that their, their
whiskey has a unique knows.

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I don't know if it's their
terroir, but that like I think

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if I drink this a few more times
I'd be able to pick them out of

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a blind 9 times out of 10.
Because even on this one, It is

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a lot deeper, the color is
gorgeous.

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On this like this might be the
platonic color.

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You want whiskey look like But
yeah, the nose is really

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beautiful.
It gets into almost like a dark,

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black cherry territory.
There's a caramel Enos to this.

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There's a little bit of honey,
but underlying all of that is

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that strong barley flavor that
I've been getting on all of the

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Virginia products.
Yeah, and I will say that, it

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doesn't smell young that a lot
of times with craft whiskies we

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can smell the youth and the kind
of grain forward -, you know,

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for me this one honestly, Brad
is probably Only the most

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ethanol, heavy one on the nose
that I've had so far.

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The ethanol really jumps out, to
me on this one.

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But underneath that, I do get
all these notes that you're

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talking about lots of dark stone
fruit, like, you know, like a

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cherry like a plum.
I'm really excited to try this

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one because it does have those
kind of caramel notes.

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You were talking about.
I'm going to give it a sip.

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I can tell you've already been
sippin on it.

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What are your thoughts?
Brad?

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Yeah.
The this is their best whiskey

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like far and away for me, that
the The initial burst of Plum

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and Cherry mixed with like a
dark chocolate on the Mac and

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the my palate that it almost
felt like I was drinking a

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really nice light roast coffee.
I this this is incredible, Bob?

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Yeah.
See this is the funny thing.

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I love it when you and I try
like, exactly two Whiskey's and

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one of them is our favorite, and
we are on opposite sides of it

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because that means that the next
time I see you, I get to say,

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hey, give me the rest of that
sample of The Cider finish and

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y'all bring you the port finish.
I totally get where you're

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coming from.
And as soon as I drank this, I

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was like, oh, this is the Brad G
flavor wheelhouse.

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But for me, the last time we
drank their products, I talked

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about this to the Char heaviness
on this almost kind of comes

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across as like, a cigarette Ash.
For me, it's like a really,

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really bitter Char.
And I think the flavors on this

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one kind of accentuated char.
So, if you want something that

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feels like you almost have to
chew on it, you know what I

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mean?
Like, you sit down after eating

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a steak and you want a cigar and
you want a whiskey that's like,

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mimicking, the experience of
smoking that cigar.

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This is the one for you.
This is like really robust and

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it'll put some hair on your
chest, you know what I'm saying?

446
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,000
The other one is much.
More like I just got done mowing

447
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,500
my lawn and I want something
that's not a bourbon but that

448
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,900
has the crispness and the
lightness that will refresh me

449
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:56,700
on a hot summer day.
And so I think my favorite one

450
00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,100
was definitely The Cider finish
and it sounds like the port.

451
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,800
Finished was definitely yours.
Yeah, yeah.

452
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,000
This port finish is really
incredible, and I think that

453
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,100
this just goes to show that they
over at the Virginia Distillery

454
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:13,500
company.
They are just experimenting and

455
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:16,500
trying really unique finishes
Has but I don't know if we've

456
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,100
ever had a cider Cask finished
whiskey before.

457
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,200
I don't think we have.
And I will, I'm only familiar

458
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,600
with a couple distilleries that
are really doing it.

459
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,500
I think more should be, you're
going to be hard pressed to find

460
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,400
a better one than this Virginia
Distillery company.

461
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,800
I'm super, super satisfied with
this overall flight of six

462
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,700
Whiskey's.
We had I can't thank him enough

463
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:39,500
for sending him our way.
Yeah, 100%.

464
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:43,200
The the stuff that they are
putting out is fascinating and

465
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,700
if if you are like us, And
you've drank a lot of different

466
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:53,700
whiskeys in the last 45 years of
the whiskey, boom, go try this

467
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,800
stuff out because there's not a
lot of American single malts out

468
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,400
there.
If you're looking to experience

469
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,500
something new and fun and
interesting and delicious, then

470
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,100
these whiskies are should be
right up your alley.

471
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,800
All right.
Brad it's time for us to get

472
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,400
over to our interview with
Marcus Choi, who plays George

473
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Washington in the traveling tour
of Hamilton.

474
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,900
Excited for this one, Brad.
What do you say?

475
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:20,000
Yeah, let's get to it, man.
I'm really pumped for this.

476
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,100
All right, everybody, we are
joined by Marcus Choi who is

477
00:26:26,108 --> 00:26:29,900
currently touring with Hamilton
in the Philip tour, as George

478
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:31,900
Washington, Marcus.
How you doing today?

479
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:33,600
I'm good.
I'm good.

480
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,300
Thanks for having me, guys.
Oh man, I'm so excited to talk

481
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,100
to you.
Listen, we had your former cast

482
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:43,500
mate Jared Dixon on a couple
months ago and in the wake of

483
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:44,400
dicks them.
How?

484
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:45,000
Yeah.
Right.

485
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,100
Exactly.
Yeah.

486
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,200
In the wake of that, we were
like we gotta get more Hamilton

487
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,700
people on the show the spike in
listenership was drastic so that

488
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:57,600
I really No, like seriously, I,
you know, you hear about how

489
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,400
die-hard like the Hamill fans
are and then you see it like

490
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Quantified in your downloads and
it's like, okay, you know, at

491
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,800
that point Jared hadn't even
announced that he was going to

492
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,500
Broadway, and he kind of told us
off air, and we weren't allowed

493
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,500
to disclose it and so, you know,
just for somebody that's in like

494
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,700
the touring company.
Yeah, it was like the response

495
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,300
was insane on.
Like, it's got to be incredible.

496
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,100
Just as a member of the Hamilton
family.

497
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,900
Argus to see the level of
support that you get from the

498
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:28,000
community.
Oh yeah.

499
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,100
So sure.
I mean in and now it's a global

500
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:34,000
brand, right?
And you know, musical theater is

501
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,500
just becoming so popular in
Asia, South Asia, South America,

502
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:43,200
and Europe.
You know, it's, it's exploding

503
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,400
everywhere.
And so Hamilton is just kind of

504
00:27:45,408 --> 00:27:48,300
like this.
It was kind of like leading the

505
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:49,800
way now.
You know what I mean?

506
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,300
Because you know it's an
intersection of so many things

507
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:58,100
that people enjoy like hip-hop
and rap and Musical Theater

508
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,300
history.
And, you know, just kind of like

509
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,300
American history, American
culture and history and and,

510
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:09,100
and, and the Fanatics that
follow and support the show.

511
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,800
It runs deep.
Yeah, I opened up Spotify

512
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,000
yesterday and it was like new
for you.

513
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,200
The German language version, Of
the track just drop it.

514
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,500
Yeah, I think they were
recording an album.

515
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:24,600
Oh my God.
That's incredible.

516
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,100
Listen, if they need a ringer
for anyone in a different

517
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,200
language version of The Stage
production, are you, are you

518
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,900
able to tap in for anybody?
And it's certainly not German

519
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,400
maybe if they record a Korean
now then, I don't know, you

520
00:28:40,408 --> 00:28:43,400
know, I'll do my best.
I love that.

521
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,400
Yeah so Marcus just to give a
little bit of a bio on Marcus.

522
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,800
He has appeared on Broadway in
shows like Flower Drum song

523
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Wicked Witch dinky were in the
original cast on Wicked, right?

524
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,400
Yeah both of those channels.
Yeah that's incredible.

525
00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:00,800
Sweet charity Allegiance Miss
Saigon and then he's had over 60

526
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800
credits listed on his IMDb in
both film and TV.

527
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,600
I've got a couple that I want to
pick out just from those because

528
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,700
it's like some of my favorite TV
shows and movies but Marcus

529
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,900
we're gonna kind of like throw
it way back to the beginning.

530
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,600
So how I've been on stage and on
screen, why don't we start off

531
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,100
by talking about like what are
the primary differences of

532
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,300
having to flip the switch
between, you know, projecting to

533
00:29:24,308 --> 00:29:27,500
the back row and then being able
to be subtle enough for a

534
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,800
close-up when you're on camera?
Sure.

535
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Yeah, you know, I think
historically, when it comes to

536
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:40,700
theatres, you know, the idea of
like having two project is, it's

537
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,900
not necessarily very anymore
because we're all miked, right?

538
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,800
Right.
And so that at that affords us,

539
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,000
the opportunity to kind of lean
into more intimate moments and

540
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,600
not have to, you know, project
if you're having a 72 quiet

541
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,300
moment, you know what I mean.
Mmm, but certainly on stage, you

542
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,700
know, you have to play to that
last grow up in the balcony.

543
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:09,100
So City Light is certainly
bigger gestures and actions

544
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:14,400
could be bigger you know and
when it comes to like TV and

545
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
film and acting in film and TV,
and for the camera and acting on

546
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,200
stage.
It's funny, I always say that

547
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:25,500
it's basically the same muscle
that you're just.

548
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:29,300
It's just a different technique.
Does that make sense?

549
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:30,300
Yeah.
Absolutely.

550
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:35,300
Or is it like, you know, I
imagine like the old poster for

551
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800
remember the Arnold
Schwarzenegger documentary like

552
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
what's called pumping iron or
whatever and it's just like you

553
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,100
except yeah like I just I kind
of wonder if it's like the

554
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,700
difference between It being on
stage at the body building where

555
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,200
you're like in your little
Speedo and having to flex as

556
00:30:49,208 --> 00:30:52,800
hard as you can versus like yeah
I've got these muscles but I

557
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,100
don't have to show them off in
this way.

558
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:59,100
All right right right yeah like
to imagine Arnold just walks

559
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,500
around California in his little
stressed in a speedo sure like

560
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,700
flexing constantly you know he
did Muscle Beach down in Venice

561
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,000
all the time, of course I would.
Yeah, just just messing with

562
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,800
dudes but it's funny, you know,
Like, you know, there's a hose

563
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,700
that rule of like, oh, you're on
camera.

564
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,900
Things are much smaller, you
know, you just play.

565
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,800
You just you don't have to be as
big, but Master, Adam Driver and

566
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,600
marriage story.
This point but like my examples

567
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,900
are, was Jim Carrey.
You know, like Jim Carrey is

568
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:37,400
larger than life and and so
amazing at his crap at being

569
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,600
big, you know.
And and certainly his dramatic

570
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,500
work is speaks for itself with
well but you know Those rules,

571
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:49,300
don't always apply, I think, and
I am, and I think whatever is

572
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,200
specific in to you as an artist
in whatever.

573
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Works for you is you know where
you can capitalize on, you know.

574
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,300
Yeah that works.
It's relatively well and like

575
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,800
your point to I'm looking
through your IMDb credits and

576
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,600
you know way back towards the
beginning of some of your first

577
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,500
on-screen stuff.
It says that you were a dancer

578
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:13,600
in the movie and chanted which
oh yeah, Brad and I are noted

579
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Amy Adams fans.
So please, if you have anything

580
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,800
horrible to say about her, I
don't want to know but I do know

581
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,200
where she is until I left Amy
Adams.

582
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:27,500
And I have to admit like I was I
was a huge fan of hers like even

583
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,100
when we first started shooting
and like I was just super

584
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:36,400
excited to be at on set with her
and at that time I had just

585
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,800
finished doing Wicked with
Adina.

586
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,000
So like it was it was like this
weird situation where like I was

587
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
a dancer in Maybe, but like
because I knew one of the Stars

588
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800
I was hanging out with her and
like, the other stars.

589
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,900
Then I got with that crappy
would like James Marsden, Amy

590
00:32:52,900 --> 00:33:04,200
Adams, where I was just like,
you know, where I started a

591
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,700
conversation with Amy and I was
just like, you know, do you live

592
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:13,800
in New York and like I wanted to
shoot my shot so bad if you

593
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:22,400
Like, if you need anything but
respectful and professional,

594
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800
that's probably the way to go in
retrospect, I think.

595
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:26,600
Yeah.
Right.

596
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,500
Or you could be married to Amy
Adams right now.

597
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,200
That's true.
Which is the extremes that you

598
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,500
put, like a full breath.
You know what?

599
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,400
I wasn't planning on asking a
question like this, but you

600
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
bring up James Marsden and I
know he's got a new TV show out

601
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000
right now, called jury duty,
which is like really pulling in

602
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,000
fantastic.
Is and I want to ask about like

603
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,800
a James Marsden in the year
2023, because, you know, I'm

604
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,300
watching like, I'm a huge fan of
the classic, MGM musicals and

605
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,800
like, your Gene Kelly hands.
And it just seemed like we had,

606
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,000
you know, back in the day when
the studios were pumping these

607
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
movies out there were these
Specialists, that were the best

608
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,200
singers.
The best dancers that had movie

609
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,500
star looks and could act.
And every you know, they was

610
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,400
like a quadruple threat.
Yeah, and I feel like those

611
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,000
actors are.
So few and far between now, You

612
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,100
know, you've got a couple that
can make the transition like a

613
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,000
James Marsden or a huge Ackman
or, you know, one Jaclyn.

614
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,100
Yeah.
But like, what do you think it

615
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:26,900
is about the current Hollywood
System that when we do a

616
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,800
musical, it's like, no.
We don't want like a huge Ackman

617
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,300
for this.
We want a Ryan Gosling so that

618
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,300
we can do like, a more grounded,
LOL, and thing like you sure we

619
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,699
undervalue the triple threats
now.

620
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,000
Oh, wow.
That's a great question.

621
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:48,800
And It might be, I think maybe
like entertainment might be

622
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,199
going through some sort of
Renaissance, where, where

623
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,699
they're they're being valued
again or or they're, they're

624
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:57,300
being utilized as to put that.
Hmm.

625
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,700
And just because the movie
musical has become such a thing,

626
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:04,300
right?
Like the, like, the live-action

627
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:07,300
of my cartoons is becoming such
a thing.

628
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,300
Mmm.
So I feel like they are being

629
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:16,500
utilized more And certainly with
with like the last, I would say

630
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:23,500
the last you know, 30 40 years,
you know that that like gold and

631
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,200
Arab movie musicals, definitely
went away.

632
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,800
Hmm.
But yeah.

633
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,900
Like if you think of somebody
like like Hugh Jackman, you

634
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:37,600
know, it's like he literally
like it God were to be like I'm

635
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,900
going to create the perfect man
and just like shut down

636
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,400
lightning and all of a sudden
friend The Earth be the perfect

637
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,200
man.
That could do.

638
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,800
Everything is Hugh Jackman?
You know what I mean, right?

639
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,700
Like it's just not fair well
like you know, we did we did a

640
00:35:52,707 --> 00:35:55,500
season on the podcast where we
picked movies kind of from like

641
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,200
growing up that we wanted to
revisit that.

642
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,900
We weren't sure, we're great.
And it was a really fun season.

643
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:02,700
And one of the movies that I
picked was a movie, from way

644
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:07,000
back in 2011, called young
adult, it's like a dramedy with

645
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Charlize Theron and one of the
actors in it is Patrick Wilson

646
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:15,200
and I have no idea.
Don't like a year ago that

647
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,100
Patrick Wilson, Angelic voice.
Like, I just happen to be

648
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,600
browsing Spotify on like a show
tunes thing.

649
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:25,500
I had no idea that he did a
Revival of Brigadoon and, you

650
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,400
know, it's just it's so funny
because it seems like he has to

651
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,400
live these two separate lives
which is like Broadway musical

652
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,600
star and then serious Hollywood
actor and they don't overlap at

653
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,300
all.
You know, that I think it is too

654
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,900
is because like I call I call
like Broadway shows, or just You

655
00:36:42,908 --> 00:36:46,500
know, the theater schedule
blue-collar entertainment

656
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:50,100
because the schedule is
Relentless, you know, eight

657
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,500
shows a week and for us being on
tour, you know, five show

658
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,400
weekends, it's just exhausting
right?

659
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,400
And when you I think as actors,
you know, a lot of a lot of

660
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
actors, get their start from the
stage.

661
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:08,700
But and when you, when you reach
a certain level and you're able

662
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,300
to break that threshold into TV
and film, you know, that's the

663
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:13,500
gluten-free.
Ready, right?

664
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,300
And and I think, once you once
you reach that point, you don't

665
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,500
have to hold your theater skills
or you don't have to dance, or

666
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,700
take dance class or voice
lessons anymore because you're

667
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,600
like a series TV actor or Screen
Actor, right?

668
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Yeah.
And so, I think that kind of

669
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,700
lends itself to what you're
talking about as far as the, you

670
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,700
know, kind of like this
disappearance of the Triple

671
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:43,800
Threat, you know, because actors
didn't Gluten have to hone those

672
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,200
skills anymore.
Yeah.

673
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,000
You know what to sing?
You don't have to sing for your

674
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
food anymore.
You can just act like for it.

675
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,900
Exactly.
Yeah, and because they're just

676
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:56,000
so much content.
Now, like normal people are

677
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,400
breaking through without having
a lot of like, any training, you

678
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,300
know.
I mean you're steering about

679
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,700
people being discovered all the
time or just like new people

680
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,400
popping up and although they
might have taken, you know, you

681
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,600
know Conservatory class here or
you know, acting classes or dad

682
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,100
class. she's with whatever you
know, it's not like you know,

683
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,700
going the traditional route and
getting your MFA or your BF, a

684
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,000
do this, you know, school and
you, you know and like Going to

685
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,800
the like you know London to like
study Peter.

686
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,200
You don't necessarily happen go
that route anymore because

687
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:36,600
there's just so mate, so many
Avenues now.

688
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,100
That's man, that's fascinating
it the way you were talking

689
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,300
about.
It has me almost thinking about

690
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:48,000
like football throughout the
world and how, you know, in

691
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,900
Europe and in South America they
have all of these youth

692
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,300
organizations set up to
basically scout out.

693
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,100
Who's going to make it in the
world of football and who's not?

694
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,700
And it seems to me like, in the
world of acting and stuff.

695
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,900
There used to be a similar
system that you were talking

696
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,400
about of like theater and stage
and, and use our schools and

697
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,600
conservatories but now, like, I
don't know, do you think that

698
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,300
it's getting a little watered
down as, you know, as streamers

699
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:18,800
are looking for 80 new shows to
six month?

700
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:22,100
Yeah, you know I think both
things can be true.

701
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,900
I also feel like there are So
many hitch knows now that once

702
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:30,700
you become a child actor you're
already in the public eye.

703
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:34,900
Yeah.
So so networks and Studios have

704
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:39,100
to work less to promote you as
you get older.

705
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:40,800
Mmm.
You know what I mean?

706
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,200
So just like these children
actors.

707
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,400
They're just like they're just
jumping from like Nickelodeon

708
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200
show to the Disney show and then
all of a sudden they're like on

709
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,600
the Netflix show that being
produced by a 20 her already.

710
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,500
Well, you know that they're
adults, but you know, What I

711
00:39:54,508 --> 00:39:57,100
mean?
Yeah, sitting sitting courtside

712
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,000
at the Laker game.
You know, perfect.

713
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Is that he's all right.
Well, we've gotten like way off

714
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,200
the, The Hamilton track and I
was kind of curious with being a

715
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,600
part of a traveling group.
You know, you're spending a week

716
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,100
here, two or three weeks.
They're like, what are the

717
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:19,200
challenges of traveling so much
for work, but then also, like,

718
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,800
what do you love about it?
AB sure.

719
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,400
Yeah, I have the challenges I
would just say is just like

720
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,900
packing up, you know, certainly
after after the lockdown ended I

721
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:37,400
had just accumulated so much
stuff that like like I drive the

722
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,500
tour also.
I got my own car and oh wow,

723
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:43,300
just pack that packing
everything up and then put it in

724
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,600
the car getting to the next city
and unpacking everything.

725
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:48,400
That's probably the biggest
challenge.

726
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,000
Because, you know, I have my
kitchen staff.

727
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400
I got, I love cooking.
So, like I have like my knives

728
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,500
and my, you know, pots and pans.
And you know, utensils and stamp

729
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,000
and I'm a sneakerhead.
So I gotta let him shoot through

730
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200
the no trouble, you know.
And, you know, I just like, you

731
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,800
know, at this point in my life,
I'm like, there's certain things

732
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,400
that I just don't want to have
to him about, right?

733
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,400
And then And it will just like
settle on, you know.

734
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,800
And so the packing certainly is
probably the biggest challenge,

735
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,800
but I love a love child drop
traveling.

736
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,600
And being able to, you know, go
to these new cities and

737
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:35,500
experience them through the show
because you know, it's just like

738
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,700
America is so big, you know, and
I grew up in California and I

739
00:41:39,707 --> 00:41:43,800
lived in New York and you know,
all those places are great.

740
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,500
Wait, there are so many other
places that I just never got a

741
00:41:47,508 --> 00:41:50,500
chance to experience.
And so being able to travel for

742
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:54,400
work and eat at all the
different restaurants and like,

743
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,700
you know, experience, what like
Bruce city is you being at for

744
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,900
and, and, like eat, like even
here, like this is our second

745
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,300
time in Appleton, right?
And Appleton is a tiny little

746
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,000
town.
But there's this restaurant that

747
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,800
I was go to that.
I went to the first how we're

748
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,300
here.
It's called basil Cafe.

749
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,500
And it's a shout out to Larry
over at basil Cafe because it's

750
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,900
a Vietnamese and Viet Thai
restaurant and they make some of

751
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,100
the most incredible food.
I was just talking to my

752
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,400
girlfriend the other day.
We went out to lunch and I was

753
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,500
just saying, like this
restaurant would be successful

754
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,000
anywhere in the country.
Yeah, like, it's that good but

755
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,700
like, it's in tiny little
Appleton and so, like, you know,

756
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,800
it's that kind of stuff that I
love about being able to travel.

757
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,700
As I know that you're speaking
Bob's language.

758
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,500
Because he and his wife did a
road trip for there.

759
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,700
Honeymoon around the country.
And I'm sure they found the best

760
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,000
burger place in every state and
Ice.

761
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,600
You better.
Where do you go to Minneapolis

762
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
and try the Juicy Lucy?
Okay?

763
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,000
So listen, this is a point of
contention with me and my wife.

764
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Because we'd so, you know, we
live in the Cleveland area, we

765
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,600
took 90 all the way from
Cleveland to Seattle and, and

766
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,700
so, this Juicy Lucy was about an
hour off, the beaten path.

767
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,500
And my wife was so this was
like, this was only like date.

768
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,900
Your for of the honeymoon.
And she was like, I don't want a

769
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,500
burger anymore.
Look, like, give me a day to

770
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,800
recover from burgers, and then
we'll start again.

771
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,900
So I missed that one, but we had
Juicy Lucy.

772
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,800
There's like a steak house in
Seattle, that we got a Juicy

773
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,300
Lucy at that was okay.
It's pretty darn good.

774
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,500
Yeah, yeah.
All right, all right.

775
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,300
Yeah.
When we are in Minneapolis

776
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,700
speaking was Diners Drive-Ins,
and Dives, it was an episode

777
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:41,500
where where Guy Fieri went to
like Minneapolis.

778
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,100
And they're like to Les routes
that say they started.

779
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,000
The Juicy Lucy.
Yep.

780
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200
That and I had my board Conroe
Panda Brooks.

781
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
And I, he was with the show
before.

782
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,400
I was like, dude, we have to go.
So the one was in this tiny

783
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400
little bar.
It was like the dive east of

784
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,300
barred but they haven't Little
Grill.

785
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,200
I forgot what it was called but
it was, oh, it's so good if you

786
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,000
have a chance because it's you
me habilis definitely behind the

787
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,700
bar.
I'll send you the information.

788
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,500
Please do use.
You got, you got brought you on

789
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,500
like low-key.
I just wanted food regimen.

790
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,100
You know, that's actually a
great segue, though, because

791
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:26,000
your Instagram which is where we
first connected, you know, we

792
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,200
did this episode with Jared and
you can, we're super kind, given

793
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,700
us a shout out and then I
started checking out your

794
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,800
Instagram and I was like this
man knows food, this man knows

795
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,900
drinks and I know you've got it.
You guys on the Hamilton tour

796
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,900
have a great relationship with
Nelson's Greenbrier Fire.

797
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,500
And we've had this before.
Yeah, they are great.

798
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,300
So I've got to ask you having
been to all these tiny, little

799
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,500
towns and cities Across America,
that you normally wouldn't have

800
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,600
been able to go to like, which
ones immediately jump to front

801
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,700
of mine.
When I talk about Food Cities,

802
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,500
and I don't mean like, okay,
like, of course, New York and

803
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,800
l.a., right?
Because they just had every

804
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,500
church, right?
But like like hidden Gems or

805
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,500
just for the size of the city, I
was blown away by the food

806
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:16,800
atmosphere here. well, certainly
Seattle Portland and You know

807
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,300
what?
Let me let them marinate.

808
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:20,600
I was going to say I can feel
you like flipping through of the

809
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,900
the book in your mind and just
try City.

810
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,800
There's like that that has like
incredible food across the

811
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,300
board.
There's like restaurants that

812
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:35,700
might cut and in different
places like Memphis, the

813
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,400
original, what's up, what's up?
Fried chicken place.

814
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,500
Gases gases Fried Chicken.
Yeah, yep.

815
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:45,800
At the original.
The original one was right

816
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,600
around the corner from from the
theater.

817
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:51,700
Like that was incredible.
Tulsa Oklahoma.

818
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600
There is, as tidy, this tiny
little Steak House in the back

819
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,400
is back, alley, called bull in
the alley.

820
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,400
Amazing drinks, amazing Stakes,
like that, that kind of stuff.

821
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,300
You know what I mean?
Bull in the alley bowling alley,

822
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,200
very big fan of that Billy had.
Double like low-key, incredible

823
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,800
food.
I know a lot of people are

824
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
always like, oh, I believe she's
Philly cheese and yet they do

825
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800
have it.
That there is just that, I mean,

826
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,500
it's so diverse there.
They're like they have so many

827
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:25,300
like, great authentic
restaurants.

828
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,400
I lived in Philly for a year and
there's a restaurant on the

829
00:46:28,408 --> 00:46:32,500
north side of town called Tierra
Colombiana that had it's like

830
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:36,500
Colombian and Cuban food.
That is easily they have the

831
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,700
best flan I've ever had
everything.

832
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,100
Your was incredible.
So, do I Am with You?

833
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,300
Philly is an incredible Food
City.

834
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,900
Yeah.
For sure.

835
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,100
I will have you both know that
like, the cardinal rule of

836
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:55,200
having a podcast is no free
promo and we have given like 50

837
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,900
and restaurants the best.
I'm gonna be invoicing all these

838
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:02,900
places, right?
But honestly, it's like like I

839
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:06,300
just have less hair than because
you know, whenever we go there

840
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:07,500
just like, okay, take care of
us.

841
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,300
You know, sometimes they find
out that we're there with the

842
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,200
show.
Show and they just they take

843
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,200
care of us until I got nothing
but love for all these places.

844
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,200
Absolutely.
Alright, let's talk a little bit

845
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,100
more about the show before we
get into movies here.

846
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:21,500
So yeah, you are, I believe I
read this in an interview.

847
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:23,500
You gave the you are the first
Asian American man.

848
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:25,500
To play George Washington in
Hamilton.

849
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:27,800
Is that correct?
Yeah, still the only one.

850
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,200
Wow.
I mean just like let's just stop

851
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,700
there for a second.
What is the significance of that

852
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:35,100
for you?
Not just playing this iconic

853
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,400
theater character but also who
that character represents an

854
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,000
American history Sure, yeah,
yeah.

855
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:48,600
I mean, it's it's incredible.
Yeah, it's kind of feel like

856
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:54,400
it's an honor and responsibility
to like, always kind of do my

857
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,700
best and, like, carry that
torch, and for just like the

858
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,000
Optics and Asian Americans in
entertainment, you know, like,

859
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,400
when I was, when I was growing
up, Like Miss Saigon was the

860
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,200
show, right?
And when I was in high school

861
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,100
and, you know, into musical
theater, just getting started,

862
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,400
you know, my parents were
skeptical of me going into the

863
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,800
business.
You know, they could be close

864
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,200
like as immigrant parents.
They just, they want their kids

865
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,300
to be happy and successful,
right?

866
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,300
Like any pair and but as
immigrants, they just had, they

867
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,100
had no idea what the
entertainment business.

868
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,400
Business is like, you know, and
and so I think there was a lot

869
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,100
of fear around supporting me
making the choice to go into

870
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:50,500
acting because he didn't know
how to support me in it, you

871
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:54,300
know?
And, and so, like, when, and

872
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,900
when Miss Saigon came around and
I saw it and I school, that was

873
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,800
the first time where I was like,
there's a place for me in this

874
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,700
business, you know, at the
highest level as far as musicals

875
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,400
go because I was just like all
about me Vehicles going up and

876
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,800
years and years and years later.
Now that this like Halligan is

877
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:21,300
my first tour and being able to
do this this role in this show,

878
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:26,600
on tour is giving an opportunity
to all those little Marcus's

879
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,900
across the country that never
thought that there was a place

880
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:34,900
for them. you know, hope and the
the strength to know that like

881
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:39,100
there is a place you know and
that if there was any kind of

882
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:46,000
hesitation To squash it and and
follow your passion because

883
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,300
certainly, you know, it's sounds
so trivial to say, but like, if

884
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,000
I can do it, you can do it, you
know.

885
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,400
And and like I feel like it's a
responsibility that I think

886
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,500
that's another reason why I've
been with the show for such a

887
00:49:59,508 --> 00:50:03,300
long time.
Like I feel like it's like a bit

888
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,700
of a responsibility to like
continue that.

889
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,100
Yeah, as we go to new cities,
you know?

890
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,100
Yeah.
Yeah.

891
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,000
I mean, in a lot of ways, like
when you talk about best

892
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,300
president, it's either George or
Abraham.

893
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:18,300
Right?
Right, right.

894
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:20,400
Those are, those are the two,
right?

895
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,500
And I'd say, George Washington
is probably the top five.

896
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:27,100
Most famous u.s. person ever.
Sure.

897
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,500
Sure like it.
So I'm curious like as you've

898
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,700
played this part over the years
and done research for the role.

899
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,700
Like, is there anything you've
learned about George Washington

900
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,600
and your time playing him that
like a lot of people wouldn't

901
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,400
know about him and yeah.
A couple of things.

902
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Do you like, you just in doing
my research for the part?

903
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,200
I just, I think the reason why
she was successful during the

904
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,200
Revolutionary War with, because
he had learned from so many of

905
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,500
his losses during the French and
Indian War.

906
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,300
He was younger than he was a
younger officer that just like

907
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
he basically got his butt kicked
a bunch of times.

908
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:15,000
And but back, Back then Rules of
Engagement were when the like

909
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,400
the captain or the general of
whatever truth that had lost was

910
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,500
captured, they would they would
be returned without you know,

911
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,300
being harmed.
Hmm.

912
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,800
And so I think, you know, when
it came into, you know, war and

913
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,900
fighting and you know, kind of
operating on that level, I think

914
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:42,900
he was he was successful.
Cecil because of all the things

915
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,100
that he learned and it's the
thing that was that was kind of

916
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,100
crazy was like, he was only most
considered like a, like, a

917
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,500
deity.
Yeah, because of certain many

918
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:58,400
crazy things that happened
during battle like He was always

919
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,100
on his horse, he was always in
the fight and when they would,

920
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:06,900
you know, the fight would end,
he would, his jacket would be

921
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:11,200
riddled with bullet holes, but
he wouldn't, he didn't have any.

922
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:13,400
He what?
You never got shot.

923
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:19,300
That's crazy.
It's a, he said, you know, but

924
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:24,300
like You know, not to put you
foot and find a point on it, you

925
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:30,500
know, it's like that is that
also lends itself to his belief

926
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:36,000
in God and, and how that might
have, like, kind of like, made

927
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,800
the like, the little more.
Hmm.

928
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,700
Oh, or the Mystique of, you
know, George Washington grow

929
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:46,400
even more because maybe, you
know, people thought that he was

930
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,300
touched by God or, you know, it
in, in that sense, because he

931
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:54,100
was just like.he You never died
in battle, you know, and then

932
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:58,400
you know to to end up leading
the country with such Integrity,

933
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:01,000
you know?
And and he was building around,

934
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,100
you wasn't perfect.
You know?

935
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,400
Like at that time, they were
are, well, you know, it's the

936
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,500
Great American Saint right there
were all slave owners and and

937
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,600
but I know that he did a lot of
things to try to improve the

938
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,600
life of his slaves.
He tried to connect family

939
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,700
members with different slave
owners as like, you know, As

940
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:28,100
like his slaves, women get older
and older, and but certainly to

941
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:32,200
have the foresight
relinquishing, you know, the

942
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:38,000
office after after serving a
term, you know, in that selfless

943
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,600
act because he could have easily
been the king of America easily.

944
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:46,200
Yeah.
And and in just that act alone,

945
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,000
you know, really?
I think that's, that's probably

946
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,200
the main reason why he was so Oh
beloved you know, in setting up

947
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,100
the country that way.
Alright, let's go ahead and

948
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:59,700
pivot to movies here.
Like I want to get you talking

949
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:03,000
about movies a little bit before
we let yesterday and, you know,

950
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,500
we planned this out for an early
May release not realizing at the

951
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:10,600
time, at least I did realize at
the time but may is Asian

952
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,100
American Pacific, Islander
heritage month.

953
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:16,600
And then I was like, oh my gosh
like you know I saw you posting

954
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,300
a, you've been a pretty vocal
advocate for API issues on your

955
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:21,300
Instagram?
Yeah.

956
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,200
And And let's get you talking
about this a little bit and I

957
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,200
trunk you know, if I can speak
freely here we have had a lot

958
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,200
more diversity in the voices
that are being presented and can

959
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,600
come to the table in Hollywood.
In the last 5-10 years, there is

960
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:42,400
still like a huge void in Asian
American voices in Hollywood in

961
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,700
particular.
And I had initially floated to

962
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:50,700
you the idea of like let's do a
top five aapi movies and then I

963
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,500
you know, I'm just Are Googling
like, because I had my list of

964
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,100
five and I'm like, well, what
are the other ones?

965
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:56,700
And then there was like, only
five movies.

966
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,700
Like if you're not gonna bring
up every movie.

967
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:02,800
That's like a martial arts
related movie, ever, you know,

968
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,200
right?
Everyone talks about the Joy

969
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Luck Club, you know?
And and since last year,

970
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
everyone talks about everything
everywhere, all at once, and

971
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,300
sure, I think that the first
place I'd like to go with this

972
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,900
is just to acknowledge that.
While we all have our favorite

973
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,300
movies.
In this category, it is one of

974
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:21,400
the most underserved and
underutilized.

975
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,300
Missions in terms of having
diverse voices represented.

976
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:29,700
Yeah, no, I don't the completely
agree with that said, I reach

977
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:31,900
back out to you and I was like,
Marcus, what are we going to

978
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:33,600
talk about here?
And you were like, dude, I got

979
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,300
this.
I want to talk about my favorite

980
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,100
movie star of all time.
Why don't you introduce us to

981
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:42,100
the topic at hand today?
I would love to talk to you guys

982
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,800
about my childhood.
Hero Mr. Bruce Lee himself.

983
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Yeah, that's right.
He is yeah, when we started the

984
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Tour in Seattle, And I made it a
point to, you know, go visit his

985
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,500
burial, you know, pay my
respects.

986
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:01,700
Because man Bruce Lee was
everything when we were growing

987
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:06,400
up everything.
Like I was like I'm 45.

988
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:13,000
I was born in 77 so I would
spend every Saturday morning

989
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,300
watching Kung Fu theater black
belt theater, you know, the

990
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:23,300
dead, you know, Shaw Brothers,
kung fu movies every week and

991
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:29,200
Bruce Lee was one of those guys
that just, he was like a real

992
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,700
life superhero.
Yeah, you know, and it just made

993
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:40,400
me feel like you see myself, you
know, on TV even though if you

994
00:56:40,408 --> 00:56:41,700
know, Though, he was speaking
Chinese.

995
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:48,200
It was dubbed, like I understood
that like oh like he there's

996
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:55,800
there's a significant amount of,
you know, traction that this man

997
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,700
has created through martial arts
and then getting though, as I

998
00:57:00,707 --> 00:57:04,800
was getting older and just
getting into his light more and

999
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,100
more just understanding that,
you know, his journey was so

1000
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:13,100
remarkable.
Oil and crazy that he passed

1001
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:14,800
away at such an early age.
Yeah.

1002
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,700
Well, I was asked about that
like having that element of it

1003
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:21,800
folded in to your experience
with Bruce Lee because you know,

1004
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,400
his most famous movie is
released in America as Enter the

1005
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,500
Dragon.
And I didn't even realize this

1006
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:29,900
until today it comes out like a
month after he died and that in

1007
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:33,200
a lot of ways was like many
Americans introduction to the

1008
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,700
guy and here he is like he's not
with us anymore and so in a lot

1009
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,300
of ways, you know, his Legend
grows the way.

1010
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:43,600
A James Dean would have, which
is, he makes sure these and then

1011
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,400
he's gone and it's so obviously
gone too soon.

1012
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,400
But for you growing up watching
his movies but also knowing that

1013
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,900
he was dead at that point.
Like what what does that do for

1014
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:57,600
the legend of Bruce Lee for you
as a kid?

1015
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Ohe just become like, he just
becomes otherworldly, right?

1016
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,500
Like, he's like in my mind, he's
like the biggest thing because

1017
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:13,100
there's, no, there's no decline.
He's locked in time, as this,

1018
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:24,100
you know, incredibly strong
quick Fierce Asian, man, that

1019
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:28,800
was able to like destroy people
with his hands.

1020
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Like, take on like like in the
end Fists of Fury.

1021
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,600
Yeah.
Like he takes out of high school

1022
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:40,600
and like karate.
Fight like a karate school, you

1023
00:58:40,607 --> 00:58:44,000
know what I mean?
Yep, yeah, they didn't teach you

1024
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,400
remember that scene where he's
like, running the Rickshaw.

1025
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,200
He's in Disguise.
Oh yeah.

1026
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:54,600
And like he lives here, except
the kind of stamp, you know, and

1027
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,500
I know that there will be bad
joking.

1028
00:58:56,900 --> 00:59:00,800
And it's laughable kind of now.
But, like back then, as a kid,

1029
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,600
just doing what technology was
like, it was incredible to me.

1030
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,000
You can see his influence, those
still to this day, like They are

1031
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,700
hits theaters last year and it's
this, this Bollywood Masterpiece

1032
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:16,700
and it comes to America.
And I'm watching it.

1033
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:20,300
And I'm going, oh yeah, scenes,
where he's taking on, you know,

1034
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:23,400
a thousand human beings at once.
Yeah, yeah that's that's Bruce

1035
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,400
Lee.
Like like right there you can

1036
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,000
see the through line.
Well, you know, it's he was, he

1037
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800
was the person who ushered in
martial, arts movies and to

1038
00:59:31,808 --> 00:59:34,800
America, there would be no
Jackie Chan.

1039
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,400
There will be no jet leet, you
know, there will be no, it

1040
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200
wouldn't be these guys.
Guys, if this Lee didn't kind of

1041
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,700
like open up that door, you
know.

1042
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,900
Yeah man.
He was it was just like I would

1043
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,000
like every time I would watch a
movie, I would like Kai a couple

1044
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,100
of sticks together and just be
screaming during my numchucks

1045
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,800
around the house.
Jumping off the tables like

1046
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,500
fighting with my brother rescue.
Each sample II was all about it

1047
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,000
man.
Yeah, that's flexing it in like

1048
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,700
screaming in the mirror.
Well then, let me ask this is

1049
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:14,800
like my closing question on
Bruce Lee, how personally

1050
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,800
offended and hurt?
Were you that Quentin?

1051
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:21,300
Tarantino had him just get his
wrecked by Brad Pitt in Once

1052
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:25,900
Upon a Time in Hollywood.
You know, it's funny the guy who

1053
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:29,600
played the the actor who played
Bruce Lee is a buddy of mine.

1054
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,300
Oh that's and yeah, shout out to
Mike Mo, you know, he's great,

1055
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:36,900
great actor and a martial
artist.

1056
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:42,700
Honestly, I didn't mind it.
Yeah, I understood that

1057
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:46,200
Tarantino had his point of view
on it and the movie.

1058
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,400
What was it about Bruce Lee,
right?

1059
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,900
The movie was about this step
man that It happened to be

1060
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:59,700
around the same time and you
know, like I was entertained by

1061
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,900
the scene I thought it was I
thought it was fun, you know?

1062
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:06,600
And and I can see how people
would would get upset at that.

1063
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,300
But at the same time it's like
it's just a movie, right?

1064
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:15,300
And and I can't like look, you
gotta pick and choose your

1065
01:01:15,308 --> 01:01:17,200
battles, right?
Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

1066
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,300
plan that sword 100% You know, I
wasn't trying to lead you into a

1067
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:22,900
trap there.
I've just recently My Tribe I

1068
01:01:22,908 --> 01:01:29,200
had I don't think I do comedy
now, right.

1069
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,700
Like whereas can years ago you
comedians could do and say

1070
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,600
whatever they wanted and say if
comedy right well it can't do

1071
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,400
that anymore, you know?
Well and I dear point to I think

1072
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,900
one of the great things about
Bruce Lee is that he was willing

1073
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:47,200
to get his ass kicked on screen.
Like you knew he would come back

1074
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,100
at the end.
You know, one of his most famous

1075
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:51,800
scenes is When he's fighting
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and like

1076
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,500
Kareem leaves a gigantic
footprint on his chest because

1077
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:58,200
if 7 feet tall.
Hey, Kayla bag, right?

1078
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,100
I read every.
I feel like every week now about

1079
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:03,800
these action stars that, have it
built into their contracts.

1080
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,400
Now, that they cannot lose a
fight in a movie, and it's like,

1081
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:11,000
you know, just just for the sake
of the narrative, like, seeing

1082
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,900
your guy get beat and then have
to rise again to win.

1083
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:18,700
The ultimate Victory is so much
more compelling and so I'm with

1084
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:20,600
you in the other day.
I don't think Bruce Lee would

1085
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,100
have even minded seeing Bruce,
Lee depicted, that way, because

1086
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:26,100
it's super consistent with what
he did on screen.

1087
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,500
Sure.
That like feels like the

1088
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:32,300
American way like we talked
earlier George Washington became

1089
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,700
a great General because he
sucked at it earlier in his

1090
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:36,300
career.
Yeah, exactly.

1091
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:38,700
Like like we all go through
struggles.

1092
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,100
It's the hero's journey 100.
Yeah.

1093
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,300
Yeah.
Before we go I know this is

1094
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:48,900
called them and I ski And we
didn't even talk about whiskey

1095
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:51,000
yet.
Just really quick, do it?

1096
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,400
I just wanted, I just wanted to
talk about one of my favorite

1097
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,500
whiskies Japanese whiskeys
because it's, you're a pi Bond.

1098
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:04,800
Yeah, well, I know I'm pretty a
bourbon guy, but if you guys

1099
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,900
haven't had a chance to try the
vulcano.

1100
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,100
Oh no, we have not Z.
Fukatsu.

1101
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:16,800
No f u Kan.
Oh it's it's it's a risky.

1102
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:22,600
But it Said they added rice to
the distilling process and and

1103
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,500
then you know like I just I love
Japanese whiskeys.

1104
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,700
I'm not a huge single malt fan
but when it comes to like just

1105
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,200
whiskey in general, like the
Japanese really know how to do

1106
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,500
it.
Well, this whiskey in, in

1107
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:39,400
particular, they agent in Sherry
barrels.

1108
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,600
And I know that it's, you know,
that's a really popular thing to

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,000
do now but it was one of the
first ones that I tried.

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01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:52,000
I'd and it is, it's incredible.
The ficano.

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,100
If you get a chance to try it,
absolutely try it.

1112
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,500
I was going to say we we don't
hunt a lot, but I'm looking at

1113
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,300
this right now.
Bob put it up, put it at the top

1114
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:02,600
of the hunting list.
No.

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01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,800
And yell do here, we need to get
ourselves some, the ficano.

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01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,100
Well, how about we do this with
Marcus?

1117
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,500
Next time?
We do a Bruce Lee movie or

1118
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,900
anything related that you would
like to come back on and join us

1119
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:16,200
for, we'll sit down.
We'll talk about a movie and

1120
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,800
we'll drink some folk on.
What do you say?

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01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,900
I like it.
Let's do it.

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01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:22,600
I travel.
I travel with a backpack.

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,500
Well guys, this has been Marcus
Choi.

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01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:32,400
He is currently on tour with the
Hamilton, Philip tour, as George

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,500
Washington.
I am seriously.

1126
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:36,700
So honored you sat down with us.
Thank you again for joining us

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01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:38,900
today.
Marcus, I was a pleasure, thank

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01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,600
you so much for having me.
You guys will be back again on

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01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,000
Tuesday with another regularly
scheduled episode.

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01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,000
But until then, I'm Bob book,
I'm Brad G.

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01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:48,500
She and we'll see you next time.