Vertigo (1958) / Larceny Small Batch Bourbon

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In 1958, director Alfred
Hitchcock and star Jimmy Stewart

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gave the world a dizzying
thriller that enslaves a man to

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a dissipating dream.
In 2023, we take a second look

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at Heaven Hill's most famous
weeded bourbon.

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The film is Vertigo.
The whiskey is Larceny small

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Batch.
And we'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And today we are looking at what
was once dubbed the greatest

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film ever made, Alfred
Hitchcock's 1958 masterpiece

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Vertigo and.
We're here to tell you that it

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is hot garbage.
What a terrible film.

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Brad, let me let me just
immediately dive in for some

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context as to why we're
recording this at the time we're

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recording because we've been
trying to work through in order

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our re watches of Season 1.
But a local theater was doing a

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Hitchcock double bill a couple
weeks ago.

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They showed North by Northwest
followed by Vertigo and I had

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never seen Yeah, right.
What a pairing.

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I had never seen either of those
movies on the big screen.

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And so I was like, well, I know
what I'm doing with my Friday.

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And it was interesting, man.
Like, North by Northwest plays

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perfectly to an audience, even
in 2023.

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It was like people were
laughing, people were gasping,

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and, you know, there was
applause at the end of the

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movie.
I forgot how quickly that thing

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moves and just what an
incredible job of editing that

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movie does.
And then we took 1/2 hour break

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and we watched Vertigo.
And Vertigo is a movie that I

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love, but I think even the first
time we watched it, you and I

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were like, you got to push
through the 1st 45 minutes and

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then it's like the most
rewarding thing ever.

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But do not put Vertigo on a
double bill after North by

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Northwest.
People like that.

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It was just lost on this
audience and you could feel the

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boredom creeping in.
And it really sucked because I'm

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still very high on this movie,
but it's like, why would you put

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it after North by Northwest?
Yeah, totally.

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The the films have such a
different, at the very least,

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outcome.
But even when you look at the

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humor in North by Northwest, any
amount of humor in Vertigo at

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the time that it happens can be
somewhat funny at the start of

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the film.
But by the end of the film, you

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realize you're like, oh, all of
the humor in this movie does not

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land well on your soul when you
consider the outcome of the

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film.
So I feel like if you're going

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to watch those two movies
back-to-back, you you need to

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watch Vertigo first. 100%, yeah.
And it's easy to see why he

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pivoted to North by Northwest as
his first film after this,

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Vertigo was a big flop and was
not really critically well

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received either.
And so he's like, all right, I'm

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going to go back to what I do
best.

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I'm going to make entertaining,
you know, suspense movies.

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And this one's going to be a a
spy chase thriller.

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And it is like to your point,
tonally, these things are like

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night and day.
Well, there's our our quick

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review of North by Northwest.
I guess we should probably

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probably talk a little bit about
Vertigo.

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This is our second watch through
for the podcast.

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Brad, had you watched Vertigo in
the interim between season 1 and

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now?
I don't think that I did.

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I, I think it has been 5-4
years, five years since I

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watched it.
So it has been a minute.

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And let me tell you, Bob, this
is an incredible film.

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Good movie, good hot take,
Vertigo, Good movie, real good.

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So it's been marinating in your
brain for the last five years.

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And I guess one of my questions,
you know, if I can be honest

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with you, man, I did not expect
you to like Vertigo as much as

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you did.
Like it's a it's a much slower

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paced, kind of mournful, really
dark, kind of disturbing movie.

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Not not like a North by
Northwest, not like a rear

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window even.
And so I was really shocked when

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you came into the recording
studio back in Season 1 and gave

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this movie a 10 out of 10.
So when you think back like what

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about it worked for you on that
first watch and does it still?

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Are those still the things you
latch onto now on a second

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watch?
I'm sure I mentioned it back

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then, but it was not actually my
first watch.

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I had seen Vertigo before I
watched it for the podcast.

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And I think that for me, the
things that have stuck with me

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each and every time I watch it
is the depth of the, the fall to

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which Jimmy Stewart endures and
had, I don't know, man, the the

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way that Hitchcock captures
psychological trauma and he

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captures the dangers of a
twisted desire, a perverted

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desire.
I I don't think anybody has ever

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done it better than what
Hitchcock does here.

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All right, well, if you have not
seen Vertigo, it's time for us

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to talk a little bit about what
the movie is actually about.

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And in order to do that, we're
going to throw over to America's

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favorite segment, which we call,
Brad Explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and do your take with

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this little segment that we
call, Brad explains.

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Brad explains.
Is the part of the show where I

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spoil everything, Bob?
You certainly do, man.

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We're going to give you 60
seconds to break down the plot

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of this movie, which you have
not watched for at least the

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third time.
You're this is old hat to you at

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this point, right?
It sure is, Bob.

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So you've got 60 seconds on the
clock and you've used the

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keyword here, spoil Brad.
You are going to give away

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everything about this movie that
you can fit into a minute.

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So if you have not seen Vertigo,
first of all, what, what are you

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doing?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I mean, just stop here, go watch

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it and then come back.
Because I don't, I mean, I don't

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know, I, I feel like this is one
of those movies where you could

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probably know the spoilers and
it would still work because it's

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not about the spoilers.
Yeah, but also don't do that to

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yourself.
Yeah, I mean, Hitchcock even

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said to to Kim Novak at one
point in the filming of this.

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It's, it's not about like what's
happening on screen.

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It's about what people see on
screen, the visuals of the

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movie, the feel of the movie.
And so I, I think that to a

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certain point, the plot of this
film kind of falls to the side

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of the feelings that it invokes
in you.

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Well.
Let's see what feelings it

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invoked in you, Brad.
You have one minute on the clock

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and go.
Vertigo's a film about a police

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detective in San Francisco who
is tasked by an old college

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friend with following his wife
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He's not suspicious that she is
cheating on him, he is worried

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that she is possessed by the
ghost of a woman who committed

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suicide.
Jimmy Stewart's character Scotty

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continues to follow her around
the wife played by Kim Novak and

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eventually comes to believe that
she truly is indeed possessed by

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this ghost.
He follows her until she goes up

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into this bell tower and he is
unable to follow her because he

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has Vertigo and is unable to
make the ascent fully.

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He watches her jump off the
tower and he falls into a state

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of depression which is on again
off again girlfriend is unable

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to bring him out of.
Upon recovering, he is in the

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streets, sees his old girlfriend
look alike, and tries to turn

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her into this woman that he once
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When he realizes that she was a
actor playing the role of the

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wife, he calls her out on it and
they fall in love, kind of, and

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he's angry.
And then she falls off of a bell

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tower because the specter of
death looks at her.

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The end.
I like how you could sense that

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the minute was almost up and so
you just started giving bullet

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points.
But they're like, they don't

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seem to logically flow like Oh
yeah, she they fall in love,

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Everything's good.
And then also she falls off a

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bell tower.
She.

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Sure does.
Man, go.

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Wow.
I mean, I will say there's like

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a few famous shots from this
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I don't know if this is
considered one of them, but when

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when the nun walks up into the
bell tower, she looks like death

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itself.
Yeah, it's like she has her

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shadowed perfectly.
The lighting is Immaculate.

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Man, that'll give you chills.
I've been trying to think about

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what the best entry point into
talking about this movie is,

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because this is trying to do a
lot on a really high level, and

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it takes a long time for this
movie's pieces to fall into

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place like you it.
It opens with this chase across

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rooftops where Jimmy Stewart's
character, a police detective,

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is chasing a perp, and him and
this other cop don't quite make

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the jump over to this other
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And then the cop tries to.
Say it's basically the matrix.

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Right, the cop falls to his
death and that induces Jimmy

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Stewart's as agoraphobia.
Agoraphobia.

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No acrophobia.
That's right, fear of heights,

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which gives him Vertigo.
Now this comes up a couple times

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in the beginning parts of the
movie, and then that plot thread

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is pretty much dropped.
And it seems like it's only

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there to establish that he is
now kind of forced into early

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retirement from the police
force.

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His old college buddy that he
hasn't seen in a long time is

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then like, hey, how about a
ghost story?

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And for a really long time, it
seems like this movie is truly

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toying with the supernatural,
that this person might actually

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be being possessed by a dead
person.

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This is something we've never
really seen from Hitchcock.

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You know, there's always some
sort of elaborate scheme a la

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Dial M for murder, right?
And so you, you don't really

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think that it's going to go the
supernatural route.

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But everything that's happening
on screen suggests, oh, yeah,

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this this lady might actually be
getting toyed with from the

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beyond.
She falls to her death.

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And then you're like, where is
this movie going now?

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And it's not really until the
last, I don't know, 30 minutes

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of the movie, Brad, that all of
these sort of disparate threads

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fall together.
And I guess that's, that's where

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I want to start, is there's not
a lot of movies that require

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this much patience before it all
makes sense.

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It's a really, really big
gamble.

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And I guess I'm wondering for
you, Brad, like, does the gamble

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pay off or are there stretches
of the movie where it feels a

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little bit stretched thin and
your patience has tried?

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Man, that that is interesting.
I think that they're the reason

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the long stretches of Jimmy
Stewart following Kim Novak work

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is because of the soundtrack.
Like, like the score for this

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film is so haunting and elegant
and beautiful that you find

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yourself drawn into the world of
Jimmy Stewart and the mystery

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that he's trying to unravel.
Right?

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Like the there's, there's a
reason he's chosen as a

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detective.
Like the the whole purpose of

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this film is if you're in the
the shoes of Jimmy Stewart, you

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also are playing the role of
detective trying to figure out

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what's actually going on here.
And as you follow her around, as

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you go to the Bay and she jumps
in the water, and as you go to

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the sequoias in the the National
Forest, like you, you get this,

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this strange sense of a
dreamlike quality that this

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chase is taking on, that it
moves so slowly and yet

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everything feels so important
and like anything might be a

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clue to unraveling the entire
mystery.

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And I for me, that kept me at
the edge of my seat.

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Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's
really high risk, high reward

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because Hitchcock is kind of
counting on you, the audience

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member, being like, what the
hell is going on?

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And as a result of me not
knowing what's going on, I want

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to know more.
I want to figure this out as

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opposed to I can't tell what's
going on.

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And therefore I'm going to turn
this movie off after 1/2 hour.

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And I think that, to be fair,
the people that this movie does

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not work for fall into that
latter camp.

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And I can't necessarily say that
I blame them like the movie

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works for me.
But you there really is a sort

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of active participation in the
detective part of things that if

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you want to be given the
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going to reward you with that
until the very end of the movie.

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You have to be wanting to go
down the rabbit hole with Jimmy

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Stewart.
Yeah, this is easily not second

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screen material, no.
Not at all.

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I mean, I guess like some of
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sequoias.
You could probably check your

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e-mail if you really need to,
yeah.

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Maybe.
Maybe.

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All right, let's talk
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they're man, they're really
interesting performances.

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Like you've got one, one person
is playing multiple characters.

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Technically, you've got Jimmy
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weirdest character arc in movie
history like these at the end of

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the movie.
These people are just not the

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same people they were at the
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And let's start with Jimmy
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This is the opposite of a Jimmy
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we're used to seeing.
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him and, and Henry Fonda would
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he would not just play against
type, but he would use his

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trustworthy persona to then play
against type and like, really

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Plumb the depths of like the
darkness of the human soul.

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And I feel like it's, it's so
much more disturbing to see it

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happen to Jimmy Stewart than it
would have been a Cary Grant or

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whoever it might have been that
Hitchcock would have worked

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with.
Like when you see it happen to

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the most likable guy in the
world, it gets under your skin

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because you start to feel like,
oh, that could be me having this

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sort of mental collapse and
obsession.

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Yeah, Humphrey Bogart would not
have been good in this role.

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You know what I mean?
Like, you would believe him as a

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grizzled, angry ex retired cop
who's, like, kind of falling

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into Vadnais.
Jimmy Stewart, though, you're

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like, oh, this is Jimmy Stewart.
He's like flirting with Midge

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and and down to earth and like,
oh, man, he had to.

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He had to quit the force.
That's too bad.

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And like the The Descent feels
that much greater.

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Like if this was remade, the
only person who could play that

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role is like, Tom Hanks, right?
Like to see Tom Hanks?

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There's something.
About like, there's something

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about Hanks though, too, that
he's tried this kind of thing

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before.
Like he did Road to Perdition

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where he played a hitman.
And like, I love that movie.

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And I will still say like, Nah,
he's probably miscast.

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Like he just, he can't get
there.

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And it's nothing against him,
but I I think that makes it all

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the more miraculous that
Hitchcock could go there with

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Jimmy Stewart and that Stewart
allowed himself to be taken

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there.
Oh, do you think it's that's

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Hank's fault, or do you think
that he just doesn't have a

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Hitchcock on the other side of
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I don't know man.
I think it's at some point it's.

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Like, what do you think a David
Fincher could pull that out of

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out of Hank's The Descent Into
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I don't know.
That's a great question.

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You know, I'm thinking about you
said Bogart couldn't have played

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this role, though.
I think Bogart probably could

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have.
I see a lot of Casablanca Bogart

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here, like where where he is
like absolutely tortured at the

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sight of seeing her again.
And I'm like, I think Bogey

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could play it, but it would be a
much more like physical and

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dangerous kind of role.
Where is like when you see Jimmy

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Stewart start to like, throw her
around the bell tower at the end

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of the movie, you're like, oh,
like this guy has absolutely

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snapped.
Jimmy Stewart doesn't treat

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women like that.
Not even there like when they're

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in her hotel room and he has his
hands like tremblingly grasping

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at her neck and like cheek and
face.

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You're like, he's either about
to like passionately neck her or

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he's a going to wring her neck.
I'm not really sure which one's

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going to happen.
That was a fun sequence to watch

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in the theater.
Not because it's fun, it's super

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disturbing.
Like talk about Fincher level.

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Bob's a big, big fan, but from
the moment he meets, it's Kim

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Novak's second character right
on the street and then in Judy

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and then immediately starts
trying to make her over.

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And it it's a great.
We'll talk about the way the

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script is set up, because if
they didn't have a very crucial

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scene showing Judy's past, then
you'd be like, why is she going

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along with this plot?
This man is a creep, but every.

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Like, there's nothing she can do
that will make Jimmy Stewart

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fall in love with her until she
looks exactly like.

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Not Carlotta.
What's that, Madeline?

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Yeah.
And, you know, she finally gets

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her hair done and she buys the
suit, and then she comes out of

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the elevator and her hair's
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And like, the ladies behind me
at at the disappoint.

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The immediate rejection and
disapproval from Jimmy Stewart

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are just like, like, it was so
funny to hear how disgusted they

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had become with him.
And it's really, it's really

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cool because the way this movie
is set up, like Jimmy Stewart's

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the hero and then all of a
sudden he is the villain and you

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were actively rooting for the
other person.

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And then in the last scene, the
wires get crossed so much that

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you don't really know who you're
rooting for or if you're rooting

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for both of them.
It's it's just a really, really

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messed up movie.
I love it so much.

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Yeah, well, I mean, that's the
dark element of it, right?

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That I, I believe his name is
Gavin is the the old college

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friend who we haven't said this
yet, is trying to murder his own

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wife.
Yes.

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And so he he hires Kim Novak to
play his wife to convince Jimmy

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Stewart that she commits suicide
so that he has a reliable

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witness.
It is the very It is very

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convoluted.
You could have murdered your

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wife, much like you know, we've
already established that the San

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Francisco Bay is a great place
for someone to die.

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Like just throw her off the
Golden Gate Bridge and be done

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with it.
Man, yeah.

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Here's the thing though.
Having watched Rope and having

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watched ILM for Murder, this
movie makes so much more sense.

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Like this is, I think that this
is the ultimate version of those

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two movies 'cause the movie is
about a perfect murder, but the

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movie never talks about it being
about a perfect murder.

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And I I think that that makes it
work so much better than in

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those two films, which are both
great films.

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So the source material for this
book, it's from a book called

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From Among the Dead.
It's a French book.

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And the authors of that book
also wrote a novel prior to that

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that Hitchcock had tried to
adapt.

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He was unable to secure the
rights.

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The rights went to this French
filmmaker, Enrizores Clouseau,

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who made a movie called
Diabolique.

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And Brad, if we ever, if we ever
get to watching more foreign

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films on this podcast,
Diabolique is a freaking banger.

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It is so good, but there's a,
there's an element of, you know,

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people using the idea of dead
people to psychologically

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manipulate someone into going
mad in that book too.

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So like, there's, there's a
common thread here.

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It's a, it's very European.
I don't know what it is about,

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like, you know, gaslighting
through ghosts, but that's

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what's going on here.
And I guess, Brad, this is a

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good place to talk about Kim
Novak because you don't really

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hear.
Her speak a resident ghost.

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Yes, you don't hear her really
speak a word until I don't know,

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40 ish minutes into the movie
and she starts doing this very

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fake sounding, you know,
affected like quasi British

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accent.
And then you realize that it's

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because she's, I mean, she's a
very mannered, wealthy woman,

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but also is being possessed by
this old timey ghost.

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And the the more you watch the
performance, the more you let it

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settle in.
And then when you see her as

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Judy, a completely different
person later in the movie, this

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is a pretty revelatory
performance, man.

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Like, I was really blown away by
Kim Novak.

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The the only part was when, as
Judy, she tells him that she's

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from Salina, KS in the most
Brooklyn, NY accent I've ever

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heard in my life.
I've always hated how she does

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that line reading because, you
know, she's like, oh, you know,

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it's issued On this date and she
knows half the date off the top

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of her head and then has to look
at the thing for the other half.

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And I'm like, oh, Hitchcock,
just take a dip.

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Use a different take for the
movie, man, Come on.

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Yeah, one, one more take is all
all it, all it needed.

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Yeah, I think that Kim Novak is
incredible in this film.

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I think that the movement
between 2 characters from the

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first half to the second-half is
great.

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I think that she comes across as
a little bit wooden at the end

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of the film until everything
breaks down and they're back at

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the mission where, you know, the
wife was murdered.

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She she just completely breaks
down and has these great bouts

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of of like almost a gasping
emotionality.

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And and that's where I think
everything comes together for me

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like the the woodenness works
because you can tell that it was

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a dam holding back the depth of
her emotion at the end of the

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film.
And her performance just evokes

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a sense of, of crazed wonder of
of why?

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Like how could you do the things
that she did if not she actually

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fell in love with Scotty?
All right, real quick, let's

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kind of round out the major
players in the movie.

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And I guess the only other
person we really need to talk

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about is Barbara Belghetti's as
Midge, who is, you know, has an

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unrequited love for Jimmy
Stewart.

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And it's a really funny, it's
not a funny character, but it's,

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it's an interesting character in
terms of like figuring out how

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she fits into the plot of the
movie.

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Because if you take a reading of
the movie that this is just

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about obsession and someone
looking in the wrong place for

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love and all that, then then I
think the character makes sense,

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right?
Like she's right there and Jimmy

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Stewart's not noticing her.
But I was listening to a podcast

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the other day and and the hosts
were talking about how it's

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really hard to adapt like high
literature to movies because

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there's just, there's usually so
many like threads that go

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unresolved and just like extra
context and characters that

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aren't central to the plot.
And they always feel like extra.

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And I kind of feel that way
about Midge with this movie.

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Like I I'm not entirely sure how
she fits into the overall plot

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of the film other than just
being like the supportive,

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broken hearted, not quite
girlfriend.

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And I'm kind of wondering Brad,
like what, where do you land?

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I think the performance is great
but like what is her function in

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this story?
Yeah, I think you already

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pointed it out.
Like her, her function is to

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show that Jimmy Stewart could
have what he wanted to that and

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and and that's such an important
concept in the in the theory of

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this film, because for me, the
entire film is about what

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happens when human desire is
twisted and when human desire

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goes to a dark place and how how
willing we are to go to the

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depths of darkness in our soul
based on a a twisted desire.

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And I think that if you don't
have Midge in this film, then

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you might understand why he goes
after her.

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But at the end of the day, if
he's looking for love, if he's

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looking for a beautiful woman to
spend the rest of his life with,

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if those were the things that he
wanted, then he can have them.

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She's right there.
Yeah, that's a good point.

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She's right there and I I think
that that makes her kind of the

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linchpin for the story.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I

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think about, I hate to be a
Nolan bro, but one of my

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favorite Nolan films is
Oppenheimer.

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And I've seen Oppenheimer, I
don't know, 5-6 times at this

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point.
And it's like it is to me.

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It's like simultaneously his
greatest accomplishment and also

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like the the most 9 out of 10
movie I've ever seen.

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It's kind of like it's like his
Apocalypse Now.

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Like there's so many ideas and
it's a little bit messy

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sometimes.
But because it's a little bit

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messy, I feel like you can take
5 different readings of the

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movie and all of them are there.
And I kind of feel like that

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with Midge.
Like I love this movie so much,

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00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,680
Brad, because it's not as tight
as Rear Window, it's not as

445
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,400
tight as North by Northwest.
There's some messiness here.

446
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,000
There's some threads that are
unresolved.

447
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
There's some questions I have at
the end of the movie that I'm

448
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440
like, how did she get into that
hotel unseen again?

449
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,880
Like I I still don't understand
how she did that and and I feel

450
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,960
like it adds to the totality of
the movie instead of taking away

451
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,000
from it.
Yeah, I, I think that especially

452
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,520
with her final scene where she
goes to the doctor and basically

453
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,080
says, like, Mozart's never going
to bring him out of this.

454
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720
He's still in love with her.
And there's nothing I can do

455
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,840
about that.
I think that there, you know,

456
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,360
and then she walks off, closes
the door and disappears from the

457
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,840
rest of the film as if she never
existed.

458
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,120
And I think that the importance
of that is that she represents

459
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,640
desire properly construed, that
she has a desire for these

460
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,120
healthy good things, marriage,
kids, you know, a person to love

461
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,320
for the rest of your life.
Those are all great things.

462
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,480
And when, when it when it
becomes clear, and maybe it

463
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,160
takes a little more than the
average woman would need to push

464
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,040
her away, but when it becomes
wholeheartedly clear that the

465
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,720
object of her desire is not
going to lead to anything good,

466
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,640
she walks away.
And that's exactly what Jimmy

467
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Stewart should have done months
and months and months

468
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,720
beforehand.
But because he continued to, you

469
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,520
know, indulge his dark desires,
he is now in a mental hospital.

470
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,920
Right.
Well, one thing I want to talk

471
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,160
about before we go to break here
is the visual look of the movie.

472
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480
It is, first of all, gorgeously
photographed.

473
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720
There's a lot of there's a lot
of like diffused light, a lot of

474
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,760
fog filters going on in this
movie, soft focus, but

475
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,680
particularly the use of the
colors red and green.

476
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,320
And I really wish that I'd
gotten a chance to talk to my

477
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,240
wife about this.
My wife is an art history major

478
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,880
and an art therapist and she
works with color theory all the

479
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520
time.
I'm interested to hear because I

480
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,320
was trying to parse it out as I
watched Brad.

481
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Like, they both represent desire
in some ways, like the red and

482
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800
the green.
And there's key moments where

483
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,360
Kim Novak's character is wearing
a green dress or a green

484
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,200
sweater.
But then there's also times

485
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,640
where Jimmy Stewart's wearing a
green sweater.

486
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,520
And when the the illusion of
Madeline is finally fully

487
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,680
consummated and and Judy walks
out of the bathroom bathed in

488
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,320
this eerie, like from beyond the
grave green light, I'm like, OK,

489
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
I know this is supposed to mean
something.

490
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,520
I'm not entirely sure if the red
and the green mean the same

491
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,600
thing, if they're completely
different, but it's definitely

492
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,360
something I noticed and it's
something that piques my

493
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,160
interest.
I'm curious to hear what your

494
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080
thoughts were on the color in
the movie.

495
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,480
I think that the red in the
movie represents desire, passion

496
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,840
and movement.
So the first time that he meets

497
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,880
her, where is she?
She is in this restaurant that

498
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,400
is the most red.
It's like a Paisley wallpaper,

499
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,360
bright Christmas red walls.
And her necklace is this, you

500
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,880
know, giant square cut Ruby.
And this, this red represents a

501
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,120
movement towards madness, a
movement towards something that

502
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,360
he shouldn't have.
Green represents the descent

503
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,360
right when he's wearing his
green sweater, it's after he

504
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:41,400
saves her from from drowning and
he is falling in love with her

505
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,360
even though he shouldn't be.
When she is at the hotel room

506
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,440
and the the green light is
bathing her, that happens

507
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,680
multiple times.
First where she's sitting in the

508
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,400
chair and she kind of asks him
like if I turn into Madeline,

509
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,280
will you love me?
And then finally she turns into

510
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Madeline and she's fully
engulfed in this green light.

511
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,960
For me, green can represent and
like sickness and death and

512
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,640
plague and and it evokes these
images of like going to the

513
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,840
grave and you see that as soon
as she is bathed in that green.

514
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
That's it, man.
That's like what seals the deal.

515
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Man, we are.
This is like the best analysis

516
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,000
we've done on a movie in a long
time.

517
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,440
I'm very proud of us and I think
that we deserve a reward.

518
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,320
So this might be a good place to
press pause and to drink some

519
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,160
whiskey.
Let's try this larceny.

520
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,440
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

521
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
All right, so today we are
checking out larceny small

522
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
batch.
This is a very popular whiskey

523
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,600
from Heaven Hill.
It is their kind of, you know,

524
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,880
baseline level wheated bourbon.
I I always feel the need to add

525
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,800
a hard tea Brad, because
whenever we do transcriptions of

526
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,720
our audio, it doesn't know what
the word weeded sounds like.

527
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,160
And so I always get WEEDED.
I think if you pronounced it, it

528
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,840
would come across even of
course.

529
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,280
Yeah.
So this is kind of their

530
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
competitor with Weller Special
Reserve.

531
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,560
Heaven Hill a long time ago
bought all the rights to the

532
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,320
brand that was called Old
Fitzgerald, and it kind of

533
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,920
didn't do anything with it for a
while.

534
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,480
And then it released Larceny
basically as like this is our

535
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800
homage to Old Fitzgerald.
And then they started producing

536
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,760
Old Fitz again, and now it costs
hundreds of dollars.

537
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,800
So there you go.
But Larceny is the people's

538
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,480
wheated bourbon.
The mash bill is undisclosed but

539
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,520
the proof on this is 92 proof.
It is non age stated so we know

540
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000
that the youngest in here is at
least four years old.

541
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,160
Brad, I am very excited to try
this again because I remember

542
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,360
not being a huge fan of this and
I know that the Larceny barrel

543
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
proofs now are like all the
rage, but I've never pulled the

544
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,120
trigger on one because I
remember not liking the 92 proof

545
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,840
version.
Which is wild because you are a

546
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880
noted hoited fanatic.
Big fan of wheat.

547
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,840
All right, dude, I don't have
much more to say.

548
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480
Let's go ahead and dive in.
What are you picking up on the

549
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600
nose of this larceny small
batch?

550
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,920
This nose is really pleasant.
There's some caramel, there's

551
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440
some simple syrup.
There's it's definitely a little

552
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,760
more corny, but it's got a
little bit of a raw corn feel.

553
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,840
And the, the note that I really
enjoyed the most was it.

554
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,480
It really smells like a little
bit of melted, salted butter.

555
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,680
And I and I liked that it was
pretty good.

556
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 here.
Yeah, I like this a lot,

557
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,560
actually.
This is much less astringent

558
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,280
than I thought it would be.
Like, it's not harsh at all.

559
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,160
There's some good peppery notes
to it.

560
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,840
There's just a hint of oak.
You get that, that wisp of like

561
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,120
the cherry cola thing that we
like on our wheated bourbons.

562
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,800
I get a lot of citrus and
particularly orange on this.

563
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Like it's kind of like if we
could make an Old Fashioned out

564
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,600
of our favorite wheated bourbon.
This isn't a good spot, you

565
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,200
know?
Again, I know in the back of my

566
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,880
head this is like a $30 bourbon,
so I'm not expecting anything

567
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,520
mind blowing, but this is
significantly better than I was

568
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,080
expecting.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

569
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440
10 on the nose.
Yeah, and the palate has a

570
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,040
really nice that that corniness
and butter continued for me.

571
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,360
So I, I just called it buttered
corn or like corn on the cob.

572
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
There's some cream of wheat
flavor going on here.

573
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,800
And I, I got a little bit of
vanilla extract, like a little

574
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240
bit artificial, but but a nice
flavor.

575
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,120
And I think I, I would come up
just a little bit from the nose

576
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,280
here.
I I think it's a solid tasting

577
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520
whiskey that I'll give a 7 1/2
to all.

578
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Right, so I just had my first
sip and I can see why I didn't

579
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,280
like it the first time, but I am
going to come up on it this

580
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,480
time.
It tastes like a really good

581
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,000
wheated bourbon.
Was then mixed with a batch of

582
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,120
stuff they needed to get rid of,
and they tried to blend some of

583
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,040
the harsher edges off of it by
introducing good stuff.

584
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,160
The master distiller at Larceny
is like, oh, he found me out

585
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,880
you.
Bastard.

586
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,120
The very tip of my tongue.
It's just sugar water.

587
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Like it.
There's not much there.

588
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,960
And then it almost immediately
gets this note of like heavily,

589
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,880
heavily charred oak that's like,
oh gosh, we over oaked this

590
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400
batch.
And all through the taste in the

591
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,720
experience, underlying it is
this almost bitter burnt note.

592
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,000
But then you get the really
pleasant, again, like old

593
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,840
fashioned notes.
I get bitters on this, I get

594
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,760
orange on this, I get cherry on
this.

595
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,560
It's really, really nice.
But then it's just like, hey, we

596
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560
got to get rid of this bad batch
too.

597
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600
So I don't really know.
Like there's a part of me that

598
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,120
wants to give it like a 6 1/2,
but the pleasant notes are

599
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880
really pleasant.
And I think Brad, this being

600
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,800
what it is, it would blend
really well in a cocktail.

601
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,360
I think it'd be really good on
the rocks.

602
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Like it's not bad for the price
point, but if I take that out of

603
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,920
it and try to be objective, I'm
just going to give it a 7 out of

604
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,080
10.
Yeah, and that and that's where

605
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440
I'm at on the finish.
Seven out of 10 the the caramel

606
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,960
kind of comes around on the back
end of this for me.

607
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,280
It gets almost like a unflavored
cream cheese.

608
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,280
There's some honey flavor.
But you are right, the oakiness

609
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,159
came around for me on the back
end.

610
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,440
And I I think, I think that this
is just a solid, decent whiskey.

611
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480
I'll go ahead and get my balance
score here too.

612
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,840
And and then you can get both
ears.

613
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,840
I think this is a 7 out of 10 on
balance.

614
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,159
Like there's nothing crazy here.
It's it's just kind of pretty

615
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,159
good solid whiskey from start to
finish.

616
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,960
Yeah.
I'm going to give it a 6 1/2 on

617
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,920
the finish it it does remind me
you said honey.

618
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,159
It kind of reminds me of like a
honey liqueur or like a, you

619
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,040
know, what's that crappy?
Germany.

620
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,239
Bar the Baron Jaeger, like the
just like, you know, very kind

621
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,679
of pleasantly honeyed but a
little bit artificial.

622
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800
It still has those notes of like
being too over oaked.

623
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760
So it's just a 6 1/2 for me on
the finish.

624
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,880
On balance, I'm with you.
I'm going to give it a 7 and

625
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,520
that takes us to value now
currently Brad in the state of

626
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Ohio.
What will a 750 mil bottle of

627
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640
this cost you?
It it says on our website that

628
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:21,360
it is on sale for 2799 but I I
did score it on the MSRP 2999.

629
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,480
All right.
So it's a $30 whiskey.

630
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080
That's kind of what I expected.
I think when we first started

631
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,360
doing this podcast, this was
closer to like 24 or $25.

632
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,800
It's not a bad $30 whiskey.
I'll give it a 6 1/2 again.

633
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Yeah, I give it a 7 1/2.
I think for me, I didn't get

634
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,480
quite the bitterness that you
are experiencing.

635
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,880
And so I think at $30, this is
about what you should expect.

636
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Like I think this is a solid
benchmark for what you're

637
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,000
drinking at the $30 range.
Bob, I came to a 36 out of 50.

638
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,160
I'm at a 35 out of 50, so we're
averaging a 35.5 or a 71 out of

639
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,360
100.
I think that's a good place for

640
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,000
this.
You know, 35 is where we

641
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,240
normally start recommending that
you try it or buy it.

642
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,520
I absolutely would give it my
stamp of approval to just go

643
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,880
ahead and buy a bottle.
Like, it's a really good mixer,

644
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,560
especially for people that, you
know, that are willing to try a

645
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,400
whiskey cocktail but don't want
anything that's too high proof.

646
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,200
I actually think that some of
these, like darker, bitter Chari

647
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
notes would hold up really well
in an Old Fashioned or, you

648
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,160
know, a Manhattan or something
like that.

649
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,240
So yeah, I'm going to go ahead
and say buy a bottle of it.

650
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,800
Yeah, I, I would say that too.
I I think that this is a bottle

651
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,560
that anybody would be happy to
have on their shelf.

652
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,400
All right, man.
Well, going from that to a movie

653
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
that I am happy to have on the
shelf behind me here, let's get

654
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,440
back into talking about Vertigo.
What do you say?

655
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

656
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,000
That was Larceny Small Batch
weeded bourbon, a whiskey that I

657
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,360
I don't know if I would feel
comfortable stealing Bob, but I

658
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,560
will drink it.
No, I am not committing larceny

659
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,080
to acquire this, but yeah, offer
it to me for free and I'll down

660
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,000
a shot of it anytime.
Easily Next up on the docket,

661
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,280
though, we have Canada's
favorite segment 2 facts and a

662
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,360
falsehood.
It is going to try to stump your

663
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,800
ball. 2 are right and what is
wrong?

664
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,120
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

665
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,080
the podcast where Brad presents
three items to me as fact about

666
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,800
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie that he

667
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,200
has invented and it's my job to
guess which one that is.

668
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Brad, you, you keep thinking you
got me this season, but I keep

669
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,800
clawing my way back.
Yeah, as with most seasons, it

670
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,600
seems like we're we both have
each other's numbers pretty

671
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,440
evenly.
Yes, it's it's a nice rat, a tat

672
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,000
that we have going back and
forth here.

673
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,840
So.
Are you?

674
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Are you rat or are you tat?
Oh, I got to be tat.

675
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,520
OK, Yeah.
Even though I'm the one with

676
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,640
tattoos and you do not.
I mean, you know, I just, I

677
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,800
think I just give up a tat vibe,
you know what a.

678
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,320
Tatty kind of guy.
All right man, hit me with your

679
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,760
two facts and a falsehood.
So wait, are you saying that I'm

680
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,480
a rat then?
I mean that would be.

681
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,320
Implication.
Yes.

682
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,760
If the movie of my life ended,
there'd be a rat sitting on the

683
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,480
balcony.
You could just think of it as

684
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,360
like you are ratatouille, and
then you're destined for

685
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,960
greatness.
Can I be raccoonie?

686
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,440
All right, man.
Give me your two facts #1 fact

687
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,680
#1 during During one take of the
final scene of the movie, Jimmy

688
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,240
Stewart accidentally tripped and
fell off the bell tower after

689
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,440
Kim Novak.
She was pulled out of the way by

690
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960
an alert crew member and filming
was stopped for the day as

691
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Stewart was quite shook up.
Also like 60 years old he

692
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:05,080
probably dislocated a hip.
Yes, fact #2 Sir Alfred

693
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,360
Hitchcock had originally wanted
to use his now famous Vertigo

694
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,680
zoom shot as far back as Rebecca
in 1940, but due to the lack of

695
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,840
technology at the time, he could
not do it.

696
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,400
The technique was inspired by a
time when Hitchcock had fainted

697
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,480
during a party.
Fact #3 Kim Novak already had a

698
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,040
reputation for being difficult,
so perhaps it was not a surprise

699
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,000
when she refused to show up for
work one day.

700
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360
She was on strike for more money
from her home studio, Columbia

701
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,160
Pictures, who was paying her
$1250 a week.

702
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Even though they were receiving
a $250,000.

703
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:44,120
Even though they were receiving
$250,000 for her loan out for

704
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,520
this and one more movie.
The ploy worked, and Novak got a

705
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,320
raise.
Good for her.

706
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,240
I hope that's a truth.
Stick it to the man, Kim Novak.

707
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,360
I don't remember hearing
anything about Jimmy Stewart

708
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,760
falling out of the bell tower,
but let's just assume that that

709
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,040
could be true for now #2 is
interesting to me.

710
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,640
It sounds very plausible.
It also sounds like something

711
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,040
that Brad would invent.
I just, I just feel like I know

712
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,640
you, Brad.
I'm willing to stake my

713
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,400
reputation on #2 I think I'm
going to say #2 is the

714
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,520
falsehood, but I am also 78%
certain I'm wrong.

715
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:29,040
So what you're saying is you're
78% certain that you don't

716
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,760
actually know me?
Correct.

717
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,760
OK, just making sure the The
thing is Bob, you 100% do not

718
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,560
know me because number 2 is not
the falsehood.

719
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,400
Man, which one was false?
Number one.

720
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,320
Oh, nice.
OK, yeah, yeah, I guess they

721
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,480
probably had Jimmy Stewart
strapped into a harness or

722
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,160
something.
They had him on a strap on

723
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,360
harness Bob.
Yikes.

724
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,160
All right, well, let's good
luck.

725
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Let's steer out of that, because
I really don't want to start

726
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,680
talking about that on this
episode.

727
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,480
You know, I, I think Brad, when
I try to put this movie in

728
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,360
context, I see a lot of people
that are just talking about

729
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,600
like, oh, this is a movie about
obsession.

730
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,000
This is a movie about blah,
blah, blah.

731
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,320
And like, yes, it is.
But I think there's, there's so

732
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,400
many more complex things going
on in the way the story of this

733
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,480
movie is told.
And I think honestly, I've kind

734
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,400
of come out the other end of it
like I was going to have this

735
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960
really complex thing that I was
going to Oh, it's, it's this and

736
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,600
this combined.
This is a ghost story.

737
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,480
This movie is a ghost story.
And like, I, I really think

738
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,520
that's the best way to think
about it because for the first

739
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,200
half of the movie, you're truly
trying to piece together whether

740
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,520
there is something supernatural
going on here.

741
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,480
And you know, this, this woman
commits suicide and you really

742
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,320
don't have any easy answers.
And Jimmy Stewart is now like in

743
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,160
a mental hospital and is just a,
a shell of himself when he

744
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,640
emerges.
And then you get this scene

745
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,080
where he finds Judy just walking
down the street, goes and and

746
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,360
kind of almost forces himself
into her home to demand a date

747
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,000
with her.
And you're like, well, this

748
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,360
doesn't seem like it's going to
go well.

749
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,280
And then he leaves and the
camera stays with her and you

750
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,360
get the reveal that she is
Madeline, that she is this woman

751
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,760
who was hired as an actress to
convince Jimmy Stewart she was

752
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
this guy's wife.
He never actually saw the real

753
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
wife.
And they knew that when he ran

754
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,840
up this this tower, he wouldn't
get all the way up.

755
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,880
And the guy dumped his wife's
dead body off the top of the

756
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,120
tower.
And Madeline slash Judy hid up

757
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,400
there.
And then you're like, oh, you be

758
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,280
like, you really hate Judy for a
minute.

759
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,160
And over the course of the next
40 minutes, she kind of becomes

760
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,560
the protagonist of the movie as
she is the victim of this plot

761
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,080
by Jimmy Stewart to recreate
someone from the dead and, and

762
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320
she's.
And she's been a victim of of

763
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,000
Gavin Elston.
Of everyone.

764
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,840
Yeah, like, truly.
But.

765
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,240
But that's why I keep coming
back to this idea of this being

766
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,160
a ghost story.
Because Jimmy Stewart becomes

767
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,280
exactly what Gavin told him that
his wife was, that he was, that,

768
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,880
that she was haunted by this
figure from the past, that she

769
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
had to recreate herself in the
image of that figure from the

770
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,720
past.
And then you start to see that

771
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:21,200
actually happened to Jimmy
Stewart, that he becomes, he

772
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,760
looks dead when he comes out of
this mental hospital.

773
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,320
He looks like a ghost, and the
only way that he can find

774
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,880
meaning in life is to
essentially do exactly what

775
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Gavin was saying, to turn Judy
into this dead person from the

776
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,840
past, to go the places that she
went, to live the way that she

777
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,800
did to to eat and to walk and to
dress like her.

778
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,040
And then you finally get that
image of her emerging out of

779
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,080
that bathroom in that green
light, like visiting him from

780
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,960
the dead.
And he is a man possessed at

781
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,000
that point.
And it's a really cool inversion

782
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
of, like, you think it's going
to be one kind of a ghost story.

783
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,520
And it is a ghost story, but
it's not the kind you were

784
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,120
expecting.
Yeah, yeah.

785
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,520
I mean, Jimmy Stewart becomes
the ghost by the end of the

786
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,680
film.
Exactly.

787
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,640
And as he as he stands on the
tower with, you know, Judy now

788
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,880
having fallen to death, just
like Madeline fell to death in

789
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,320
his, you know, dream world, he
is left completely bereft of

790
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,080
anything that he ever wanted.
And I think that I was reading

791
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,400
Roger Ebert's review of this and
he describes it perfectly when

792
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,320
he's talking about when Kim
Novak finally fully transforms

793
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,440
herself it back into Madeline.
And they kiss and the the music

794
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,800
swells and the camera circles
around them and it's just as

795
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,840
beautiful shot where halfway
half of the circle is them back

796
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,680
in the stable kissing, and then
the other half is them still in

797
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,000
the hotel.
And Ebert says this and the

798
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,640
camera circles them hopelessly,
like the pinwheel images in

799
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Scotty's nightmares, until the
shot is about the dizzying

800
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,200
futility of our human desires,
the impossibility of forcing

801
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:13,320
life to make us happy.
I'm like, that is brilliant

802
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:19,600
because the the whole point of a
of a ghost film is in my mind to

803
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,680
try and deal with like the guilt
of the past so that you can be

804
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,480
happy and content and in the
present.

805
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,320
And throughout the entire film,
you realize that these desires

806
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,920
that Stewart has have been so
twisted and become so darkened

807
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480
that there is no way he will be
happy in the present.

808
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,160
And the only way he can feel any
sort of happiness is if she is

809
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,600
representation of something that
he's lost.

810
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,280
I mean, he's an addict at that
point, right?

811
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Like he's just, he's chasing
this high.

812
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,280
The thing is though, like I, I,
I hear what Ebert's saying and I

813
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,640
actually think that's the
overall point of the movie.

814
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,760
But in that shot in particular,
why it worked so well for me is

815
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,280
I think Jimmy Stewart actually
achieves what he wants.

816
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,560
Like it works.
It does transport him back to

817
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,560
where he wants to go.
And there's this great moment

818
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,560
where he kind of pulls away from
the kiss and he's like looking

819
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,760
around, like I'm disoriented.
I'm confused, you know, and he

820
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,040
doesn't know in the moment that
the reason it works so well is

821
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,920
because this is the same woman,
right?

822
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,440
But it's this, it's this really
brilliant image of like, I have

823
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,720
achieved exactly what I wanted
to achieve.

824
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:31,680
I have created this scenario
where I am now back living in

825
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,520
the past and there's still
something unsettling about it.

826
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,680
There's still something that
makes me like look around, like

827
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,680
this doesn't feel right.
It's this weird facsimile.

828
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,080
And I, I just, I love that shot
so much because like, everything

829
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,720
the movie wants to achieve is in
that one shot.

830
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,720
Well, let's let's talk about the
the camera used throughout the

831
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,880
film.
From the very start of the film,

832
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,520
you you can tell that Hitchcock
is very is very careful about

833
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,000
which the height and the angle
of which his camera shots.

834
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Like if you take the entire
scene of Gavin explaining the

835
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,840
ghost story to to Scotty, the
the, the height at which the

836
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,160
camera is AT and it angles in
such a way that it places

837
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Stewart either below or above
Gavin throughout the entire

838
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,800
scene.
And you see that again later in

839
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,440
the film when Judy is trying to
explain to him, like, can't you

840
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,400
love me for me?
They're they're sitting in the

841
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,080
hotel room and the shot starts
with Judy below Stewart, Stewart

842
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,000
in power.
And then as she explains, hey,

843
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,760
like, like, can't you be in love
with me?

844
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,000
Can't.
Can't I be enough for you?

845
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,680
She stands up and the camera
rises just a little bit so that

846
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,200
they are, they're even, they're
equal.

847
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,520
And then Stewart stands up.
The camera raises back up.

848
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,840
She is now below him again in
perspective, and the camera gets

849
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,880
shaky.
And it's in that moment that he

850
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,800
says to her, we need to get you
new clothes.

851
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,440
We need to do your hair.
Sorry.

852
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,920
It's not the new clothes, it's
the hair.

853
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,000
That's when he says, we need to
dye your hair, the final piece

854
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,760
needed for this transformation.
And the camera is still shaky

855
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,280
and it, and it's representing
that no matter what stability

856
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,320
she offers him, the things still
aren't right.

857
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,840
And it isn't until that moment,
when the camera very steadily

858
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,360
circles him and represents his
imagination of the kiss in the

859
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,880
stable with the last time things
were perfect, that the use of

860
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,920
camera work here is just
perfect.

861
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,320
Bob.
I have a couple more things I

862
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,720
want to talk about before we get
out of here, and I guess we'll

863
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:43,160
start with the good That last
scene where they go up the bell

864
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,720
tower together and he is
manhandling her and just he'd go

865
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,920
up the stairs.
Go up the stairs, Judy.

866
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,360
And you fear for her safety
because you're kind of on her

867
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,280
side now, like she is a victim
here.

868
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Even if she did the most
unspeakably horrible thing.

869
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,320
You're on her side.
And then you get to the top of

870
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,720
the bell tower.
And it's not necessarily that

871
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,440
your allegiance flips back
again.

872
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,160
But it's like you get reminded
that, yes, you actually do have

873
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,920
empathy and sympathy for for
Scotty because he has that that

874
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,680
moment where he tells her how he
figured it out.

875
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,760
And he says you shouldn't have
been that sentimental.

876
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,800
And it's like, oh, man, like,
this dude is broken, you know?

877
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,840
And then you don't know what
he's going to do.

878
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,400
You don't know if he's going to
fly off the handle.

879
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,080
But in that moment, this movie
has gone from you're totally on

880
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,160
his side to you're totally on
her side.

881
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,560
And then as they go up the
stairs, you're going back and

882
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,640
forth and back and forth, and
you're finally arrive in this

883
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,240
place where you just want things
to be OK.

884
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,080
And you know that they're not
going to.

885
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,000
Like, this is hurtling towards
disaster.

886
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
There's a moment at the
beginning of the movie, it's

887
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,280
like a throwaway line where
Midge just kind of mentions to

888
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Scotty like, oh, well, you
remember the doctor told you?

889
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Or maybe he says it to her like
it's going to take another one

890
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,040
of these incidents for me to
kick this thing for good, you

891
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,040
know?
And then you have that moment

892
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,440
where after she falls, he just
walks right out onto the ledge.

893
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,600
You can tell he's not scared
anymore and and his Vertigo is

894
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,520
cured.
But like, at what cost here?

895
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,600
Yeah, well, and once again you
talk about desire.

896
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,360
He proclaims his desire to be
free of Vertigo and here he is

897
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,280
at the end of the film film free
from his it.

898
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,760
Only took It only took at least
three people falling off

899
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,600
buildings for that to happen.
Well, and and to get back to

900
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:33,000
that final scene, though, there
is just one slight moment where

901
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:39,000
they kiss and it seems like they
have reconciled and the haunted

902
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,800
specter of his past has been
dissipated and maybe they could

903
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,240
fall in love with each other.
Oh, no way.

904
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:45,280
They can't shoot off the
building.

905
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,960
Oh man, the so I will, I will
put this in the episode, but the

906
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,400
ladies behind me at the end of
the movie, you know, the nun

907
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
comes up and scares her and she
falls off and then the movie's

908
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,440
over.
Like it's immediately over.

909
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,720
Yep.
And this lady behind me was

910
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,480
like, that's right.
That goddamn nun, that goddamn

911
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,480
nun.
It was really funny.

912
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,280
I just like.
I can't not think of that now.

913
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,800
I don't even know what that
means.

914
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,680
I don't.
Either I think she was a little

915
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,680
bit drunk by the end of the
movie, but it was great.

916
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,040
That's incredible.
All right, man, let's talk one

917
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
more scene.
The dream sequence, the very

918
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,240
famous dream sequence from this
movie does not play well with a

919
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,360
theater audience in 2023.
What?

920
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Are you talking about Bob?
When?

921
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,480
When Jimmy Stewart's disembodied
head started floating around,

922
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
there were audible laughs.
Yeah.

923
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,760
And I think in the context of
the movie, like, it still really

924
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,000
works.
Like the, the function of it

925
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,560
works, but it's, it's getting
kind of hard to defend like

926
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,840
almost 70 years on, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this,

927
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,240
when I watch this film is like,
I don't know, probably like a 15

928
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,440
year old.
It terrified me.

929
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,840
I was not a fan of the dream
sequence.

930
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,520
I mean the the silhouette of him
falling is incredible.

931
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,680
It's mostly just like the the
disembodied head with the fake

932
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,280
hairpiece flapping in the winds,
you know?

933
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,880
Yeah, it kind of feels similar
to me to a Willy Wonka and the

934
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,400
as they're taking the the the
boats down the river and the

935
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,320
tunnel.
Like it.

936
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,920
It felt somewhat similar to that
for me, but it it definitely had

937
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,760
the feel of like a James Bond
title sequence more than like

938
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,640
this suspense thriller.
But once again, I think that the

939
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,760
the score kind of saves its
bacon.

940
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Right.
Yeah.

941
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,520
I mean, you've mentioned the
score twice now by Bernard

942
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,280
Herrmann.
It is just quite simply one of

943
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,600
the best scores ever put to a
film.

944
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,280
It is.
Yep, man.

945
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,240
And, and in person in the
theater, that thing was booming.

946
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:58,280
It is lush and suspenseful and
dark and, you know, like

947
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,800
everything you could possibly
want out of a movie score.

948
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,600
And I feel like it's pretty much
like wall to wall music for

949
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,800
almost the whole movie until
that final.

950
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,720
They get up to the top of the
bell tower at the end of the

951
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,000
movie and the soundtrack cuts
out like he's he's dragging her

952
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
up the stairs.
And it's really suspenseful.

953
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,720
And then all of a sudden it's
just silent again.

954
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,440
And I think that once again,
this is where Hitchcock and his

955
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,880
genius comes in, because he
knows exactly when the music is

956
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,120
beneficial, and then he knows
when the music is going to take

957
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,120
away from something.
Yeah, and, and it's just

958
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,240
haunting.
Like, like it, it, it sticks in

959
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,760
your brain and it, it keeps
everything moving when the

960
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,960
things on screen are not moving
quickly.

961
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,000
And, and I think that's what
makes it so important to this

962
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,560
film.
All right, man.

963
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Well, I think it's time for us
to get into our final segment of

964
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,280
the day, which we call let's
make it a double.

965
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,840
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things, listening to

966
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,720
the film and Whiskey Show.
Let's have another film with

967
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:59,160
this one, even if it's
struggling.

968
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,520
It's the final segment of the
day.

969
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,480
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

970
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,320
part of the podcast where we
pick a movie to pair up with

971
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,520
this one to make the perfect
double feature.

972
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,800
Brad, I'll go first since I
think I already mentioned mine.

973
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,560
I'm going to pair this up with
the 1955 French film Diabolique.

974
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,400
It.
Is so good and it's like the

975
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,400
perfect bridge between Rear
Window and this movie.

976
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,520
Like it's a little bit more
conventionally suspenseful than

977
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,600
this movie is, but you still got
the themes of like dead people,

978
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,920
folks going crazy.
It's a it's a good time at the

979
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,160
movies.
So I'm pairing it up with

980
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,760
Diabolique.
All right, so for the average

981
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,360
American moviegoer, give me your
one minute pitch on why they

982
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,320
should see old French film
Diabolique.

983
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,120
It doesn't feel like an old
French film, all right, you

984
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,120
know?
What I mean, that's a that's a

985
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,360
great.
Pitch feels like a Hitchcock

986
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,480
movie where they just happened
to be speaking a different

987
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,800
language, but you forget about
it 10 minutes in and then you're

988
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,240
just all the way bought into the
movie.

989
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,280
How much French do you need to
learn and study before watching

990
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,840
Diabolique?
Well, if you are Bob Book then

991
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,640
the answer is 0 because your boy
does not know French.

992
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,160
You hear that, everybody?
It's like Hitchcock, but not.

993
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,520
And you don't need to know
French, so go watch it.

994
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,920
Boom.
All right, Brad, how about you?

995
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,160
What's your Let's make it a
double.

996
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Bob, I am going to pair this up
with Shutter Island.

997
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Oh, that's a good one.
I think that Shutter Island is a

998
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:34,040
it would make for just a really
fun, who is our main character

999
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,240
evening.
Like, you don't quite know

1000
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,960
exactly what's going on.
You're thrown in five different

1001
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,640
directions and you don't feel
great at the end of it.

1002
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,080
I'm in for that kind of a movie
night.

1003
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,880
Yeah.
Man good.

1004
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,280
I love Shutter Island, what an
underrated movie.

1005
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,400
It's such a good movie.
Man, it's like a masterpiece

1006
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,280
that no one recognizes it as
such.

1007
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,720
All right, man, let's give this
movie some scores.

1008
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,680
I think unsurprisingly, I am
going to give this movie a 10

1009
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,440
out of 10 with the caveat this
is not a perfect movie.

1010
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,160
Like I know Brad, you like to
say there is no such thing as a

1011
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,400
perfect movie.
I think that there are films

1012
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,760
that approach like quote, UN
quote, perfection in terms of

1013
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,240
like, it is cut perfectly, it
moves perfectly.

1014
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,280
It is a technically perfect
movie.

1015
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,760
And I am much closer to thinking
that about North by Northwest

1016
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,120
than I ever have been after
watching it in a theater.

1017
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Like that movie just works.
There's not an ounce of fat on

1018
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,680
that thing.
That is not this movie.

1019
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,560
This one's much more messy and
kind of boring at parts and kind

1020
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,280
of like confusing and I don't
know what's going on.

1021
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,960
But the, the overwhelming
totality of the movie, The sum

1022
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,640
of it is A10 plus.
It's a movie that sticks in your

1023
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,720
brain that you can never fully
get your arms around.

1024
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,720
And it just, it gets under your
skin and, and disturbs you.

1025
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,960
And yeah, yeah, man, I, I, I
watched it weeks ago and I can't

1026
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,080
stop thinking about it.
Still.

1027
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,000
It's a 10 out of 10.
Yeah.

1028
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,760
And and when you allow yourself
to question what level of action

1029
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,040
am I willing to take to
consummate my desires?

1030
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,920
And you watch what happens to
Jimmy Stewart throughout the

1031
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,880
film versus, you know, Midge and
how she just walks away from

1032
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,520
things.
And even as you watch Kim Novak,

1033
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,200
like, she also gives in to her
desires.

1034
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,400
She has a moment where she
almost walks away and she

1035
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,240
literally writes, I don't know
if I can stay away from you, dot

1036
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,720
dot, dot.
And then she tears the note up.

1037
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,920
Like everything about this movie
is about the dangers of

1038
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,840
indulging in desire, unfettered
desire.

1039
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,200
And I, if you're willing to
wrestle with that in your own

1040
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,040
heart and your own soul, this is
one of the best movies ever

1041
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,240
made.
Bob, 10 out of 10.

1042
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,560
All right, so it's a pair of 10s
from us, but we want to know

1043
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,000
what you think.
You can reach out to us on

1044
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,640
Facebook X question mark,
Twitter, whatever you want to

1045
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,520
call it, Instagram.
What else are we on?

1046
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,320
Brad TikTok, YouTube at Film.
Whiskey.

1047
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,560
We're also on Discord.
We have a channel over on

1048
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,240
Discord where we are talking all
the time about movies, whiskey,

1049
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,440
and any other sort of topics
that you might want to enjoy and

1050
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,680
indulge in.
So you can find a link to our

1051
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,080
Discord at the end of every
single one of our show notes.

1052
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:24,920
All right, Brad, one final
question.

1053
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Is this the greatest movie ever
made?

1054
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Slash Can you see why it was
ranked the greatest film ever

1055
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,560
made?
No and yes.

1056
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,600
I think I'm in the same.
Like, yeah, I, I think that this

1057
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,960
film is so beautifully, you
know, I've used the word

1058
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,080
multiple times, so beautifully
haunting that I can 100%

1059
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,160
understand why this would get
ranked as as the greatest film

1060
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,960
of all time.
All right, folks, next week we

1061
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,720
will be back talking about, in
my opinion, maybe the best

1062
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,800
sports film of the 21st century.
We're talking about Ron Howard's

1063
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,720
boxing masterpiece Cinderella
Man.

1064
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,400
So.
I thought you were going to say

1065
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,960
trouble with the curve.
Yes, that's it.

1066
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,960
All right.
So join us for both of those

1067
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,560
movies next week.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1068
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,200
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.

1069
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Music.