Transformers / Rebel 100 Straight Rye Whiskey

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In 2007, director Michael Bay
and star Shia LaBeouf gave the

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world a script stinker that
still manages to pack an

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explosive punch.
In 2024, we returned to a

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familiar brand with a new
expression.

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The film is Transformers.
The whiskey is Rebel 100 Rye.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey.

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Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G and Bob.
I'm a little surprised this

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week.
I assumed when I went to write

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the title for this film that it
would be like Transformers Rise

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of the Autobots, who really hate
Decepticons and want to send

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them back to their planet as
soon as possible.

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But lo and behold, this is
simply called Transformers.

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I love a good non subtitled
movie.

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It's the best, man.
It's it's nearly as good as a 90

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minute film.
We were just talking to our

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friend Noah Gettel a week and a
half ago about his new book

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called Baseball the Movie.
And we that was the first thing

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we said to him in the interview
was like, thank you so much for

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it.
Not being baseball, Colon the

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movie, Colon Revisiting
America's Classics.

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Or like, you know, just just cut
that stuff out, man.

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A sport that captured a nation's
heart in 19 O 4.

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Brad, Unfortunately for this
film, that is the only place

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where a proper amount of editing
was done 'cause this bad boy is

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almost 2 1/2 hours long and dare
I say at least 45 minutes too

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long.
Yeah, but I don't know if the

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impact of Linkin Park would have
felt so meaningful if you hadn't

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just watched 2 1/2 hours of this
movie, Bob.

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So that Linkin Park end title
card thing has become a meme on

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Twitter.
Like they they they clip it into

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a bunch of inappropriate movies.
You know, I never knew that

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that's where this came from.
Because Brad, I think I

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mentioned last week, I've never
seen Transformers until this

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very watch.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you.

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So that's that's totally fine
and acceptable.

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You didn't know that that.
What's the name of that song?

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I don't know.
Every time I hear that song, all

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I can, all I can see is Shia
LaBeouf Mackin on Megan Fox.

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On top of a living like
breathing autonomous.

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Creature, I was going to say,
yeah, it gets a little weird

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when you stop to think about it
for two seconds.

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It.
Feels a little bit like a

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threesome.
She's into some weird stuff,

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man.
And Shia LaBeouf, good friend,

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apparently, you know, really,
really hooking his bro up there.

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All right, so, Brad, let's talk
Transformers.

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Before we dive into talking
about the movie itself, we want

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to say hello.
Welcome into film and whiskey.

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We've already mentioned
threesomes, and we're 3 minutes

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into the recording.
That sounds sounds pretty

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accurate.
You know it's.

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Par for the course at this
point.

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What we do on this podcast is we
review movies and we review

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whiskey.
And this season of the podcast,

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what we've been doing is.
Look, to be clear, we don't

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review threesomes. 10 out of 10
One of the best on film This

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season of the podcast.
We've been looking at the

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highest grossing film of each
year from 1988 to 2019.

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We have been kind of circling
this week for a long time, Brad.

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At least I have, because I saw
this as the tipping point, even

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more so than something like
Pirates of the Caribbean a

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couple weeks ago.
The Transformers movies have

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just always been crapped on.
They've always been pointed to

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as kind of incoherent to watch
sometimes because they are.

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There's just so much going on on
screen and you can't situate

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yourself in them.
And they started the downward

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slide into IP Ville that we're
currently in with the MCU then.

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I didn't know honestly if that
would be a fair assessment of

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the movie or not, but I have
definitely been dreading this

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week, so I have much to report
on here.

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But well, I I have an initial
question for you, Bob, as

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somebody who I would say maybe
not ardently, but I would call

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you a Michael Bay Defender.
How do you feel about Michael

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Bay now, 'cause I feel like
these are the films that have

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gotten him into the, you know,
into the public's kind of meh

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territory as far as people's
opinion of him as a director.

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So do you do you kind of
understand that a little better

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now?
I mean, I I kind of anticipated

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this, but it's like a much
larger and more severe version

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of how people feel about James
Cameron only doing Avatar from

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now on.
Sure, You know what I mean?

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Like it.
It's kind of that he did, I

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think, five of these movies.
He didn't do the most recent

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one.
And it just kind of makes you

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wonder, like, why would
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How is there?
How are there 6 Transformers?

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And there's the spin off
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So I think there's been seven
Transformers films.

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It's it's too many.
And I have to say, like, I don't

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want to say Michael Bay has
squandered his talents, but like

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outside of Transformers, I think
he's only made pain and gain and

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ambulance.
And so it's like my guy, you,

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you got to do something else
besides the Transformers movies.

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I'm glad he's finally come out
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But he lost a decade and a half
of his life to only making

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these.
And while the movie is very

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handsome at some points, I do
wonder like was this just the

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wrong guy for this material and
this IP from the get go he

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certainly made it his own and
you can't make a Transformers

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movie now as whoever the new guy
is without copying what Bay has

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turned this world into.
But I think for me, Brad and and

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a question that I was going to
bring up to you is like does

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Michael Bay really mesh with
what we know Transformers to be?

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Oh man, that's a great question.
I'll say this, Bob.

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I never grew up playing with
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I never grew up watching the
cartoon.

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I feel like the cartoon was more
of like an 80s.

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Yeah, like late. 80s, yeah,
that, you know, I was born in

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1990s, so they can go kick rocks
the 80s sucks.

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So coming into it as a teenager,
because you know, I actually

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watched movies in my teenage
years, unlike you, the The thing

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is, I just watched it as a
complete newcomer, not really

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knowing much before it.
And I have to say, I think even

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watching it this time through, I
kept finding myself thinking

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man, if this was the only
Transformers movie, I think it

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might be looked back on a little
more fondly than it is.

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Because at the end of the day
you're asking somebody to make a

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2 hour plus movie about toy cars
that turn into robots and you

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can tell that there the script
is straining, It is bare, it is

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bursting at the seams because
there is not much going on here

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to support how much is going on
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Exactly.
Well and and OK, let's go back a

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minute.
I'm in the same boat as you

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Brad, because I also didn't grow
up with Transformers.

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In fact, I think my first real
exposure to Transformers,

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because they had fallen so far
out of the public consciousness,

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the first time I really heard
about the brand of Transformers

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was when this movie was being
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And I was like, what is
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And then I realized, oh, like
when I was a kid, we had little

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action figures that changed from
a car into a robot.

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But they were like, sure, some
generic brand, you know, after

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Transformers did it, You know,
whatever version they were

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selling at ALDI was like what I
got.

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And I didn't realize there was a
whole mythos behind these things

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that change and from cars into
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You had the Dollar General
version of 100.

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Percent.
They're probably called like

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trans figures or something.
You know, like it just it didn't

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work.
No, no, no, no, Bob, that was

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that was a passion of the
Christ.

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Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you.

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I appreciate that.
So I had no attachment to this

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IP.
And all I've really seen of the

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cartoon since is little clips
online.

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It has the same vibe as like
Captain Planet.

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Like it's this big, bright,
clean looking cartoon.

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And then you bring Michael Bay
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And I think Michael Bay just
heard like fighting robots.

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And he was like, this is my
scene because everything Michael

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Bay does is this kind of grimy,
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things.
And so he turns this into a very

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down and dirty, gritty, grimy,
mechanical thing.

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I just, I kind of wish that
Michael Bay had made his Pacific

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Rim with this.
And Pacific Rim is a movie that

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when Guillermo del Toro made it,
like it was basically called his

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Transformers movie.
Completely original script, but

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it's like it's Guillermo del
Toro's Transformers movie.

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Yeah, I wouldn't have minded
Michael Bay making a movie where

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alien robots fight each other.
I think the weakest thing and

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and the thing that's hardest to
reconcile about this with, for

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me, Brad, is every time they
have to like, insert

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Transformers figures and
characters that people know and

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the back story and the mythos,
that's where I feel like Michael

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Bay, what Michael Bay wants to
do is so at odds with what the

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IP demanded.
And, you know, I'm sure he was

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like passing this off to Hasbro
or whoever.

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And they're like, no, no, you
got to mention Optimus Prime in

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this scene.
And it's like every time I'm

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reminded that it's a toy, it's
like, oh, this doesn't really

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work at all.
And every time it's just Michael

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Bay running rampant.
I'm like, this movie freaking

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rules, You know what I mean?
Yes, 100% man.

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I will start this episode off 10
minutes in by giving it the

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credit it is due.
This movie is beautiful, Bob.

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Like, I think that the CG in
this film is absolutely

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incredible.
Yeah.

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I can't wait to talk about it
stands up so, so well and

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everything else supporting that
is just.

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Awful.
Like, oh, it's rough, yeah, man.

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Well, that's a really good
jumping off point to get into

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our first segment of the day,
which we call Brad explains.

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Brad's gonna give us the movie
plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we call
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen often for the

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first time.
Brad, this was what, your second

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time seeing the film?
Second, maybe third.

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All right.
I know I saw it when it came

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out.
I probably watched it at like a

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friend's house at some point.
I do have a very distinct memory

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of watching the second one at
Malone.

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There's a group of people
watching it and I just remember

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thinking it was so dumb that I
was like like 19 year old.

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Brad was like, yeah, guys, this
is dumb.

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I'm I'm gonna go do something
else now.

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College.
A time where famously we have

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time to do whatever.
Yep, Brad's like this is not

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valuable use of my time.
I need to get out of here.

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So literally I have seen like
the first film two or three

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times and the second film 10
minutes of and that's my

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experience with the Transformers
franchise.

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Well, we are the two perfect
people to talk about this

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franchise that Brad, because we
have no exposure to it.

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Brad, you have one minute to
break down the plot of this

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film.
We do get into spoiler territory

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if anybody cares about spoilers
on the 17 year old movie about

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toys.
One minute on the clock and go.

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Transformers is a film about a
horny young teenager who really

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wants to get laid.
I can't emphasize to you guys

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enough how horny Shia LaBeouf is
and how hot Megan Fox is.

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I mean, Bob, have you have you
seen Megan Fox?

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Like Oh my gosh she is so hot
and.

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According according to the film.
Yes, according to the film, and

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there's robots that are going to
help Shia LaBeouf get laid, but

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it turns out the robots are
actually there.

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I I don't know if you realize
this Bob, they are actually

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there to find the Allspark and
keep the bad robot from using it

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to kill humanity or something.
And and they do it.

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Boom Bang bomb.
Transformers.

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Transformers.
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Is that?
Is that an accurate depiction of

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the movie Bob?
It is, yes.

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It's it's a lot of boom and bang
and a lot of trying to bang.

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If you're Shia LaBeouf, we did
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OK, So let's dive into the movie
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Brad and I kind of want to work
in chronological order because I

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started off very diligently
taking notes of things I wanted

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to talk about.
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mark I was like F this like I'm
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This is not a note taking type
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So the only thing I just want to
I want to talk about how bad the

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script to this movie is.
And folks, we talk about scripts

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a lot on this podcast, but we
talk about them in different

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facets.
It can be, you know, the actual

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sound of the dialogue.
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It can be the plotting of the
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the movie, which plays into
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But also like if you write too
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here.
I think there's rhythmically a

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lot going on here that sucks.
I think there's a lot going on

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that sucks with the dialogue.
I I just think there's too many

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characters, there's too many
scenes, and it doesn't always

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logically flow from one scene to
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And there are also times where,
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where we are or what we're doing
or why we're spending equal

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amounts of time with this
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I guess what I'm trying to say
is this is a freaking mess of a

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script, Brad.
Who's your favorite secondary

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characters 'cause there is a
right answer?

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My favorite?
I don't know.

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I I I don't care.
The thing is like, they're all

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primary characters according to
the movie, 'cause they're all

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given essentially the same
amount of screen time and they

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don't need to be.
The right answer is the parents,

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Bob.
The parents are the most

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ridiculous version of parents I
think I've seen in any movie

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ever.
Like every time they were on

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screen, I found myself just
laughing incessantly at how

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asinine they are and how they
are like the most Clint Eastwood

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Ian distilling of terrible like
teenage parents.

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Yeah dude, I man, I don't even
know where to start.

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I guess we'll get around to
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So the movie kicks off in is it
Afghanistan or Iraq?

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Like it's in the Middle East and
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Middle East Country #7.
We're we're fighting and there's

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American soldiers and boy, oh
boy do they do some great

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establishment of characters.
There's a guy that I wrote this

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down.
He literally looks at at Josh

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Demel and everybody else and
he's like, hey, you guys

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remember weekends, the socks at
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And I'm like, oh, so you are
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That's what we're doing here,
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It's just like, there's just, I
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man.
It's like if you took a screen

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writing one O 1 class.
Everything that they do to set

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up characters in this movie is
like the opposite of how you

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should set up characters.
Yeah it's it is really bad.

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I I'll I'll start with actors
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I actually liked Josh.
Do do Duhamel.

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I've always heard him say it,
Dumel.

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Dumel, Yeah.
OK, so Josh Dumel, I believe

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it's how it's actually
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Big fan.
I I think he might be the only

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actor in this movie that I felt
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Sincerely, whenever he's on
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he has a really cute little baby
daughter and the way he

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interacts with her, you can tell
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So I was a big fan of that.
All the other acting in this

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movie, Bob, definitely happened.
It sure did.

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I would also put Josh Demel in
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happened but like he's he's he
has a very sincere character and

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I think he plays that well.
Fun fact Brad, when a movie

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starts getting boring and you
kind of stop paying attention

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and looking at your phone and
Josh Demelle comes on screen and

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is yelling at people, you will
swear that it is actually the

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voice of Vince Vaughn doing it.
My guy has the exact same voice,

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and I spent a good portion of
this movie wondering how much

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funnier this movie would be if
it was Vince Vaughn and not Josh

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Demelle.
That that would be a heck of a

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movie, man.
If it was Vince Vaughn and and

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like Owen Wilson.
Yes.

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Yep.
The movie kicks off in

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apparently it's Qatar and we get
the establishment.

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It's almost like Iron Man would
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taking a comic book character.
We're setting it in the real

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world.
And the hot button topic of the

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late George Bush era is the war
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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So we're going to set this baby
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I think that that initial action
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And the big note that I took
away from this movie was like, I

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actually don't think that the
action for the most part is

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incoherent in this movie,
despite how much movement and

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how much editing and how rapid
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Provided that the action happens
during the day, all of the

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daytime action things are like
really easy to follow.

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And the night time ones, I'm
like, I like I almost had a

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seizure watching this, it makes
it makes no sense.

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My brain hurts.
What's happening on the screen?

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So I don't know what you think
of that, but that initial action

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scene, which happens during the
day, I thought was really well

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done.
Yeah, I'm.

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I'm 100% with you, man.
I I thought that all the action

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scenes that took place in the
desert were really fascinating.

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I think that everybody kind of
understands the geography of how

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terrifying it would be to have
something coming at you from

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under the ground.
And this, like the desert.

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The sand just makes for a really
intense battle scene when

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everyone knows that the rules of
the battlefield has changed.

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And so I think you get really
authentic fear and terror in the

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soldiers as they are fighting,
something that at this moment of

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the film feels like it
monstrously outweighs what they

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have the capability to fight.
I will say throughout the film,

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one of my favorite things about
Transformers is that I I think a

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lot of movies that have, you
know, essentially aliens in the

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movie fighting on Earth.
It feels like movies will fall

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into the trap of either the
aliens are impossible to kill or

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they're like way too easy to
kill and they often vacillate

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between those two extremes.
It's like, oh, we can't kill

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them, but now we have this new
thing and we can kill them so

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easily.
I feel like this movie does a

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really good job of showcasing
that, like these robots are

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killable, they are able to be
combated by humans, but it's

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really difficult because they're
a little bit more of an advanced

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species.
And they also do a really good

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job of, like balancing out how
much the Autobots can kill the

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Decepticons and the Decepticons
can kill the Autobots.

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Like it always feels like a fair
fight.

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And I I think I think that's
something that they do really

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well with the action sequences
here.

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Yeah.
And I think that that plot point

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is also where this movie wears
its own influences on its

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sleeve.
And you you kind of notice it

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the most in the threat of the
story that has to take place

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with the government.
So after the soldiers are

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ambushed, you kind of well, you
you meet Shia LaBeouf, but we'll

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get to him.
And then the next story plot

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like story element that's
introduced is the Secretary of

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Defense played by Jon Voight
with a sometimes accent,

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sometimes not.
You know, no big deal, Bob.

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He is dealing with the fact that
these Decepticons, these

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malicious, malevolent aliens,
are hacking into the mainframe

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of the United States to steal
some stuff off of eBay.

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Hacking Bob, they're doing it.
You.

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Got to You got to yell about it
a lot.

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And Brad, this is where I
started to notice like, oh, this

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is just a much more like gritty,
brutal, violent version of

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Independence Day.
Like this movie is, is really

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Independence Day heavy in terms
of how they set up these

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characters.
I think they do it worse than an

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Independence Day, how they try
to have like the nerdy guy with

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the love interest who has to
link up with, you know, the

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government to take this thing
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And then you've got the Will
Smith character who's basically

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Josh Demelle trying to fight for
his man.

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Like, it's just Independence
Day, it really is.

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And Brad, as a guy who you
didn't care for Independence Day

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that much, AI mean how obvious
is it?

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But also B, like, where does it
work better?

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Is Independence Day better than
this, or is this one doing it

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better for you?
That's a really good question,

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Bob.
I I man, I think that the action

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sequences in this film are so
much better and the story

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sequences in Independence Day
are like decently better.

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So for me, it it kind of evens
out where if I'm going to watch

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an action film, that's silly, I
think I'd rather watch

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Transformers over Independence
Day.

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I mean, I I.
Profoundly.

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Disagree but.
That might not be me saying it's

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better.
It's just me saying like, if I'm

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going to watch a silly action
movie, like it's going to be a

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Michael Bay one.
I mean, there's also a ton of

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Armageddon in this movie too.
Like Michael Bay's just going

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back to the well a little bit
with his government offices,

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where the walls are painted jet
black and a ton of contrast

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everywhere but man.
Also, I don't know if you

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noticed Michael Bay doesn't like
the government.

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So here's The thing is that
Michael Bay is simultaneously

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accused of being like the most
libertarian filmmaker because of

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his distrust of the government
and also the filmmaker that

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fetishizes the United States
military the most.

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And I think that's true.
I think he, I think they

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actually kind of are both true
because you know, I was just, I

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was reading online some comments
people had made about the film

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and they were talking about how,
oh, isn't it crazy how the

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Decepticons, when they're
disguised as vehicles, they're

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all disguised as military
vehicles because it shows like

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what their function was on their
home planet and that they're

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this oppressive force.
And and like it's a pretty

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obvious visual metaphor.
But it's also I like that

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Michael Bay tries his best to
complicate his feelings about

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the government on film.
Like, because I think there is a

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version of this where, like, it
really is just like, rah, rah,

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America, The government's
awesome.

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The military's awesome.
Let's blow shit up and you get

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let's blow shit up.
But you also get a healthy dose

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of like, are we doing the right
thing?

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Are we interrogating
surveillance?

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And you know, like all the
conversation that we had about

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Nolan with The Dark Knight, I
think some of that applies here.

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And Brad, I'm not suggesting
that you, you know, your movie

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is automatically better if
you're critical of the

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government.
That's not what I'm saying, but

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I I think I am saying that at
least in this movie, Michael Bay

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beats the charges, that he is
like the military's biggest

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proponent.
Oh, 100%.

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I mean, the biggest joke
character in the film is played

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by is it John Turturro?
Is that his name?

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Yeah.
I mean, he's like an absolute

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freaking clown.
And he and he represents like

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kind of acia, you know, secret
Division you've never heard of.

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And and like every single moment
he's on the screen, you just

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kind of want to punch him in the
face.

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So I think there's definitely an
element of, hey, like the

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military does important things.
But if I had to draw a line, I

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would say this.
It seems like he loves the

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military and hates the
government in this film.

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And like Turturro.
Yeah, like Turturro would

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represent the government, like
this super secret agency that

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the public has never heard of
and neither has the Secretary of

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Defense.
But the the military guys you

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know are are just awesome and
down to earth and have have kick

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ass names and they're they're so
cool man.

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They they ride motorcycles into
battle so that they can shoot

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one grenade underneath a
Decepticon.

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It's it's awesome, man.
All right, let's talk about the

451
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,640
last big piece of the puzzle
here, and that is the Shia

452
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,920
LaBeouf thread along with Megan
Fox and Shia Labeouf's family

453
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,000
and weird friend.
So we we meet Shia LaBeouf in

454
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,960
high school, a high school that
features a class full of both 30

455
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,000
year olds and what looked like
1-8 year old in the front row.

456
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,160
Yes, I was very confused by the
the range of ages here.

457
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,720
It's one of those charter
schools.

458
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,000
So Shia LaBeouf is doing a show
and tell 'cause that's what you

459
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,440
do in high school.
And he's talking about all these

460
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560
heirlooms, family heirlooms that
he's trying to Hock so he can

461
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,760
buy a car.
And that's where we meet Megan

462
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Fox.
And why is he trying to buy a

463
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,280
car, Bob?
So I don't know why.

464
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,680
So he can get laid.
Oh, well, sure.

465
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Yeah.
There was like a plot point here

466
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,560
other than just like I'm horny.
Yes, that is a plot.

467
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,640
It's a a major plot point at
this film actually.

468
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,040
It sure is.
We meet Megan Fox.

469
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,600
She's dating like this jock, who
is also 30 years old.

470
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,120
One of my favorite moments in
the whole movie.

471
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,400
Brad is in the next scene with
Shia LaBeouf.

472
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,400
He he goes to this outdoor party
at a park and is confronted by

473
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
the jock, who is of course
throwing a football around.

474
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,680
And when the Jock is confronting
him, I noticed he's wearing a

475
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,360
cut off T-shirt, just a plain
black T-shirt that just has a

476
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:22,360
giant #7 on the front of it,
which is great because it looks

477
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,960
like a uniform.
It's also not a uniform you

478
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,200
would wear at any sport.
And the number is not on the

479
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,640
back, it's like right on the
front.

480
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,760
But it's like Michael Bay had
$4.00 to show a Jock uniform and

481
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,080
he was like, I got it cut off
T-shirt, put the number seven on

482
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,080
the front of it.
I feel like every single jock

483
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400
performance like this in a movie
that like means nothing to the

484
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,040
movie.
It's just like, hey, here's a

485
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:51,400
cardboard cut out of a jock.
I feel like they are all lacking

486
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,720
in comparison to Joe Manganiello
in the first Spider Man with

487
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Tobey Maguire.
That like that to me is the peak

488
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,600
cardboard cut out athlete
performance and everybody else

489
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,680
just is is a is a lesser man.
Well, here's the thing.

490
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,680
Jocks in high school were
absolute jerks.

491
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,200
But it wasn't because they were
constantly talking about sports.

492
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,960
Like the sports were an outlet
for them to continue being

493
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,120
douchey.
But like in movies like this,

494
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,000
it's just like he's throwing a
football every time you see him.

495
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
He's like, in the classroom,
probably throwing a football.

496
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,880
And then he goes up to Shia
LaBeouf and he's like, hey,

497
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,120
aren't you bad at sports?
And like, there's there's no

498
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,920
other topic of conversation.
There's no other way that he can

499
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,920
be mean unless it's by comparing
Shia LaBeouf to himself.

500
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,440
I don't know why we're spending
so much time on the jock

501
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,680
character here, Brad, but we
have to talk about both Shia

502
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520
LaBeouf and Megan Fox.
I was going.

503
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,280
To say the jock is about as deep
as any other character in the

504
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,600
movie Bob so.
Ostensibly, Shia LaBeouf and

505
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Megan Fox are the main
characters here.

506
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,720
Who do you want to start with,
Brad?

507
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600
Let's let's just start with
Megan Fox and then move our way

508
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,480
to the top.
Megan Fox performs a minor

509
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,520
miracle throughout this film,
and it is that when I first see

510
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,360
her in the classroom, she looks
to be 27 years old and she looks

511
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,240
younger.
As the movie goes on, I think

512
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,040
she taps into some sort of like
youthfulness where by the end of

513
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,880
the film I bought that she was a
teenager and I and she doesn't

514
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,120
look like a teenager, but she's
only 21 when this movie is made,

515
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,560
so it's not like egregious
casting it, man.

516
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,240
This movie has been the subject
of a lot of think pieces over

517
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,240
the years that talk about how
this is kind of the primary

518
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,320
example of what people mean when
they talk about the male gaze in

519
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,880
film.
And man, that scene where she's

520
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,760
fixing his car is pretty much
like Exhibit A, but like that

521
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,720
pretty damning evidence against
Michael Bay on that front.

522
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,240
But aside from all that, like, I
didn't think Megan Fox was bad

523
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,920
in this movie.
I thought she was pretty good,

524
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080
given the fact that her
character goes an inch deep, you

525
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,240
know?
Yes, 100%.

526
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,560
I I found myself throughout the
entire film wondering why the

527
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,480
the writers of the script
couldn't have given her any more

528
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
depth.
Because at the end of the day, I

529
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,400
actually think Megan Fox is a
really good actress.

530
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,240
And I think throughout this film
you can tell that she is working

531
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440
way above what this script
offers her.

532
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,120
And there are some really bad
lines in here for her.

533
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,200
But she's courageous and she has
opportunities to show like what

534
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,680
she's made of as a character,
and I think she squeezes

535
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,440
everything out of this character
that she can.

536
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,400
At the same time, Shia LaBeouf
is man, it's really funny.

537
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,800
It was one of the first people
that even as a teenager I had

538
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,400
watched him on the Disney
Channel show, Even Stevens and

539
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,640
Brad, when you wake up on
Saturday morning and watch

540
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Disney Channel shows, like there
is not a wealth, not a plethora

541
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,560
of talented people floating
around on those shows.

542
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
And it was very obvious, like
even as I watched that show as a

543
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,680
kid, I was like this is like a
way better actor than most kid

544
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000
actors.
And when he made the jump to

545
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,080
movies, when he did holes, I was
like oh, he's he can

546
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,240
legitimately act.
And then he gets his really big,

547
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,040
you know, action movie break
here and then things start to

548
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,640
kind of fall apart in his
personal life.

549
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,560
But I've always, he's always
been one of those guys.

550
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320
For me that is like a huge what
if like I I really think he had

551
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,080
the chops to be one of the
biggest stars in Hollywood and

552
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,320
like an Oscar nominated actor,
he's a good actor and he spins

553
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,040
out of control so hard that
within a few years he gets, you

554
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,640
know, Bill Simmons talks about
this on all of his podcast like

555
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,360
people getting market corrected
by an up and Comer.

556
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,240
He gets market corrected by
Miles Teller so hard that it's

557
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
like like I love Miles Teller.
He's also a great actor.

558
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,960
But Miles teller's one year
younger than Shia LaBeouf and I

559
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,320
don't think we realize that
sometimes because like Miles

560
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360
Teller didn't get famous for 7-8
years after this movie.

561
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,920
But I think Shia LaBeouf lost
out on so many great roles

562
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,960
because of what was going on in
his personal life and he really

563
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,160
is for me one of the big what
ifs of our generation.

564
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Yeah, they they look so much
similar.

565
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,160
They feel like they have a very
similar acting style that I'm

566
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,080
like, yeah, I could easily see
him in something like Whiplash

567
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,880
and I it it makes me watch Shia
LaBeouf in a unique light,

568
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040
'cause I I think that there's
talent there, but man, when you

569
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
don't have the right people
around you to keep you healthy,

570
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,080
it it feels like that just has
such a detrimental effect on

571
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,400
what your career could have
been.

572
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760
I am curious though, what did
you think of the performance

573
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,560
here because you said Josh
Demelle was good but then you

574
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,240
said everybody else isn't.
I do think that there's an

575
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,600
element of Shia LaBeouf that is
not cut out for the really

576
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,520
goofy, dumb comedy that this
movie tries to go for sometimes.

577
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,840
But there was never really a
point where I thought, he's bad,

578
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760
you know what I mean?
Like, I thought that I thought

579
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200
this might not be his
wheelhouse, but it's almost like

580
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400
when DiCaprio tries something
that's kind of out of his

581
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
wheelhouse and you're like, he's
such a good actor.

582
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Like, I don't care that this
isn't a perfect role for him,

583
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640
You know what I mean?
Sure.

584
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,520
I I think that there's a big
difference between DiCaprio and

585
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Lebafter.
Oh no.

586
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,560
But I like you and I every time
we talk about DiCaprio or like,

587
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
he's really great at this one
kind of character.

588
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,480
And then sometimes he tries
other things and it's still good

589
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,920
because it's Leo.
But like, you know, it's it's

590
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,200
out of his wheelhouse.
Yeah, and I would say horny

591
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,720
teenager who has the fate of the
world in his hands isn't quite

592
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,960
Shia Labeouf's wheelhouse.
I'm just just throwing it out

593
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,840
there, dude.
It's such a weird choice.

594
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,040
I I don't know if maybe there's
something about the cartoon that

595
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,080
made him a a a better choice for
what they thought the character

596
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
was going to be.
But I I don't know, man.

597
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
I feel like there was better
actors that could have been

598
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,800
chosen for this role.
I think Shia LaBeouf is OK.

599
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,280
I think he's very earnest, which
I like, but overall I I think

600
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,520
his performance is just decent
here.

601
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Think he's miscast, man?
I mean, at the end of the day,

602
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,720
the star of this movie is
Michael Bay's explosions.

603
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
And I think that's why I wanted
to get all this stuff out of the

604
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,080
way in the front part of the
episode.

605
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,160
Because Brad, if I if I could be
frank with you, it's really bad.

606
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Like everything about this movie
that isn't the Michael Bay stuff

607
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,840
is really, truly awful.
And I was struggling hard and

608
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,960
and even texting you in the
middle of the movie being like I

609
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,360
have like a deep seated,
visceral negative reaction to

610
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240
this movie.
Like it's very rare that I watch

611
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
a movie and it's not just like
oh, this is bad or this is

612
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,720
boring, but like I hate what is
happening on screen right now.

613
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,880
I hate that I'm wasting my time
watching this.

614
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,560
Like none of it worked.
It was an assault on my senses.

615
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,040
It was kind of gross.
It was kind of like it made me

616
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
feel icky with the way that the
the sexual politics of this

617
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520
movie.
And then you got the last 30

618
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,320
minutes and it's like, this is a
freaking master class in action

619
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,360
movie filmmaking, Yeah.
And I mean, now you know how I

620
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920
feel about The Assassination of
Jesse James by The Coward Robber

621
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,000
4.
If only Michael Bay had directed

622
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,679
that film.
Yeah, that that would have been

623
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,920
a heck of a movie.
All right, man, I think we're in

624
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,159
an OK spot to press pause.
Let's drink some whiskey, and

625
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,520
then we'll come back and talk
about what's good in the film,

626
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,120
because I'm really struggling to
figure out where my final score

627
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,760
is going to land, and perhaps
you and the whiskey can help me

628
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,960
with that.
So let's drink some Rebel 100

629
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,840
rye.
What do you say?

630
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Yeah, let's get to it, man.
All right, so today we are

631
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,239
checking out Rebel 100 Straight
Rye Whiskey.

632
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Now this is Brad, not a Kentucky
Straight Rye whiskey because it

633
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,760
is made by a sister distillery
of Luxco, the company that makes

634
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,320
the Rebel brand.
It's produced in Indiana.

635
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,160
It is a 51% rye mashbill.
Now Brad, we've had a few rye

636
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,360
Mashbills over the years. 95.5
is probably the one that we like

637
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,480
the best and it's the one that
comes from MVP.

638
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,720
Mostly 51% rye is also another
really popular rye mashbill

639
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,960
because in America people like
bourbon.

640
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,480
People like the sweetness of a
bourbon whiskey in their glass.

641
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,560
And so rye manufacturers are
like, hey, the flavors of rye

642
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,560
are sometimes off putting for
people.

643
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Let's basically tamper that down
as much as we possibly can and

644
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,880
and introduce a lot more corn
into the mash bill.

645
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,200
And So what you get is a a
concoction that's just barely

646
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,760
technically rye because it's
51%.

647
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,880
This one's 51% rye 45 corn for
malted barley.

648
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,200
As a rye drinker, Brad, do you
have anything against a 51% rye

649
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
or is it like, is it all the
same to you?

650
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,600
Yeah, I mean, I I think that
there are 51% Ryze that do it

651
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,400
well.
In general, I'm gonna look for

652
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,200
something that packs a really
beautiful rye punch that can

653
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,000
also bring some really rich
flavors along with it.

654
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,040
And I think that's where Ryze
are at their height and weirdly

655
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,920
I think that that becomes more
pronounced when you have a 95.5

656
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,400
type of rye.
I think sometimes the the 5145

657
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,840
that they're doing here just you
lose a little bit of that of

658
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,520
that rye flavor.
So I I don't know, we'll see

659
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,600
where we're at on this Rebel
100.

660
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,320
I am coming in favorably because
of the name on the bottle

661
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,800
though.
I was going to say we can't go

662
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,400
any further without talking
about this.

663
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Rebel is probably our favorite
brand to talk about on this

664
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,240
show.
We have given them just so much

665
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,200
free publicity over the years.
Brad, I I need to just invoice

666
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,480
them for the amount that we've
talked about them because like

667
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:10,200
truly we fell in love with Rebel
100 Bourbon as a sub $20 bourbon

668
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,560
pick.
It's a great mixer.

669
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
It's great on its own.
It is really easy on the wallet.

670
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,360
And then we started kind of
creeping up their vertical to

671
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,600
the Rebel Distillers collection
and the Rebel Single Barrel.

672
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,800
And like, they're all really
good.

673
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,760
Rebel Cask strength really good.
I would take Rebel over Weller

674
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,760
in most cases, especially for a
weeded bourbon that is

675
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,120
affordable and easy to find.
Yeah, 100%.

676
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,520
We are here to tell you Rebel
makes really good whiskey,

677
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,840
especially if you're looking for
those weeded varieties.

678
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,920
There is just so much flavor
that they offer I I I can't tell

679
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,560
you how much of a fan we are.
I do think it's interesting,

680
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,240
though, to be jumping into a new
expression that, you know, isn't

681
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,960
quite that weeded stuff that we
all know and love.

682
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
All right, man, let's get into
this rye.

683
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Brad, what are you picking up on
the nose of Rebel 100 Rye?

684
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,520
This is a nice nose.
I think that it has a lot of

685
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,200
ethanol it it just kind of comes
across young Bob, there's some

686
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,680
young rye, there's some
breakfast tea.

687
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Vanilla ethanol, I I don't know
it, it's decent, but it's not a

688
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560
super compelling nose.
I think I'll set it a six out of

689
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,360
10.
Yeah, I might be even a bit

690
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,560
lower than you on this one,
Brad.

691
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,720
There's there's a lot of ethanol
here.

692
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,200
You're absolutely right about
that.

693
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,080
When you push through it, the
next note I get is corn

694
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,960
sweetness.
There's like a almost Caro

695
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,920
syrup, really, really sweet corn
here and then to finish off the

696
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,240
nose is where that young rye
comes into play.

697
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,880
On the back of the bottle it
says that this is only aged for

698
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160
24 months.
I think that has a lot to do

699
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,520
with it and I think part of the
51% rye mash bill may be a

700
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,360
behind the scenes effort to kind
of pump out a lot of young rye

701
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,760
and to cover it up with some
sweetness.

702
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Now again, we haven't gotten
into the tasting yet, so I don't

703
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,160
want to accuse them of anything
on that front.

704
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,440
But like, it seems pretty
obvious to me, Brad, that the

705
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,680
rye part of this is a little too
young.

706
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Is that fair?
Oh, 100% Bob.

707
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,560
So I'm going to give it a 5 1/2
on the nose, and Brad, I'm going

708
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,520
to take a sip while you give me
your tasting notes.

709
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,840
Yeah, I I think that the flavors
here are all correct, just a

710
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,440
little bit lacking.
Like you get mint, you get dill.

711
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120
For me there is like a little
bit of a Sour Patch Kid flavor

712
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,840
but without the sugar E Ness.
I I often like to eat some toast

713
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,680
with just a little bit of honey
on it and I feel like this kind

714
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,160
of mimics that flavor of of a
honeyed piece of toasted bread.

715
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,840
It's OK I I came up a little bit
from my nose and gave it a 6

716
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,680
1/2.
It's just it's young and it and

717
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,960
it's cheap and and that's OK.
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same

718
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,800
place again.
This is 51% rye.

719
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,640
So, like, it's just barely a
rye.

720
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,560
I don't know if I would ever peg
this as a rye whiskey.

721
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,600
It tastes like a a very
inexpensive, not well aged

722
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640
bourbon.
There's a lot of sweetness here,

723
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000
and I think that whatever notes
that you could discern as rye

724
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,240
notes are, they're mostly just
like I I could also chalk those

725
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,160
up to being like a young bourbon
with some like, herbal notes.

726
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Yes.
And so that's what really bums

727
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,040
me out here is that there's just
not much rye character to this.

728
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,040
It's not as bad as the nose was
for me, and especially at the

729
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,600
price point, I might be being a
little bit generous.

730
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,200
I'm going to give it a six on
the taste.

731
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Yeah, and I think the finish is
is a six out of 10 as well.

732
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,560
It is short, it's an offensive,
a lot of the mint kind of sticks

733
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440
around and leaves a pleasant
kind of sweet mint flavor on

734
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,440
your on your palate.
It's an OK finish.

735
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,720
I don't know if there's anything
to write home about Bob.

736
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,080
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to give
it a six as well.

737
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,520
I I think to be frank, it's
probably not even as good as a

738
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,200
six, but because it's so
inoffensive, I'm, I'm fine with

739
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,880
just giving it a six, you know
what I mean?

740
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,560
On the balance, I think this is
kind of like a six whiskey

741
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
across the board, Brad, which is
a huge bummer.

742
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,320
I don't want to again, you know,
Lux Rose not receiving money

743
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,880
from us and we're not receiving
money for them.

744
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
So we can say what we want.
But like, I was really looking

745
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,480
forward to this one.
It it's just not delivering for

746
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480
me, man.
Yeah, I mean I I think balance

747
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
wise though I would say that
with what they have to work

748
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,160
with, I actually think this is a
pretty decent balance.

749
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,360
I give it a 7 out of 10 on
balance.

750
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,240
All right.
So you give it a 7 out of 10.

751
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:47,080
And Brad, I'm pretty sure that
this is retailing for $19.00, at

752
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,320
least it was in Kentucky where I
bought it.

753
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,960
Did you know if they sell this
in Ohio?

754
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,520
They do.
It is 2199.

755
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,280
Oh, $22.00 in Ohio?
That jumps us into a completely

756
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
different price bracket.
Oh man, one out of 10 for Bob.

757
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,520
What are you thinking on this
one?

758
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,880
I think $22.00 is really cheap
Bob.

759
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,920
I I think that if you want to
jump into the next level, I

760
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:17,320
think you go spend $3032.00 on
Ryan Suns from our friend Andre

761
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Houston.
Mac.

762
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,320
Yeah, go go check that out if
you want to spend a little more

763
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400
money on a rye.
And I think that like, you're

764
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160
definitely spending eight to 10
more dollars on that for a

765
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,200
reason.
But at $22.00, I think this

766
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,120
gives you hints of what a rye
could be.

767
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,520
That's why I think it's an OK
value.

768
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,480
I'll stick it a 7 out of 10
here.

769
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,560
Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty
hard to get anything cheaper

770
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
than $22.00, especially for
ARAI.

771
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,640
I'll give it A7 as well.
Just as a gesture of goodwill to

772
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Lux Row.
I'm coming out to a 30.5 out of

773
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,040
50 on this.
Brad, where are you falling?

774
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,120
I am at a 32.5 out of 50 all.
Right.

775
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,840
So we're averaging out to a 63
out of 100 or a 31.5 out of 50.

776
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,560
I think that's pretty fair.
This is like, I don't even think

777
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,000
it's like a six whiskey so much
as it is a 6W because it is

778
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,880
$22.00.
I've been using it as a mixer

779
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,600
pretty extensively.
I used.

780
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,840
I've been making a lot of mules
lately and I like a little bit

781
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,480
of rye in my mules sometimes, so
I've been throwing this in

782
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,320
there.
It is indiscernible from bourbon

783
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920
in a mixer.
It it's indiscernible in my Glen

784
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Cairn from bourbon Brad, and I
think that's kind of the

785
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,000
downfall of this.
But like, even if you buy it,

786
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,240
sit on it for a while, use it as
a mixer, you're not going to be

787
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,640
disappointed because you only
spent $22.00 on it.

788
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Yes, Yep.
I I think that's the reality of

789
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,240
where we're at, Bob.
This is a really cheap whiskey

790
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,960
and if you're interested in it
then you know what you're

791
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,320
getting and I'd say go for it.
All right, man.

792
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,600
Well, let's carry this.
I don't know.

793
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,840
What would you call this?
Goodwill.

794
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,280
How do we feel about this?
Whatever it is, let's carry it

795
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,280
back into talking about
Transformers.

796
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,080
What do you say?
Yeah, let's get to it, man.

797
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200
All right, everybody.
That was Rebel 100 rye, a

798
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,880
whiskey that we're still.
I don't know if the jury is

799
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,840
still out, Bob.
I I just don't know if there's a

800
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,520
lot more to say.
Yeah, I mean, kind of similar to

801
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,880
this movie, honestly, Brad?
Yeah, you're not wrong, man.

802
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,800
I do think it is time, though,
to move into Canada's favorite

803
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,720
segment, Bob.
You know what that is?

804
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,760
Oh, it's called 2 facts and a
falsehood. 2 facts and a

805
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,640
falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

806
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,160
your ball. 2 All right and what
is wrong?

807
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,480
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

808
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,120
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

809
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,920
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie, and I

810
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,800
have to figure out which one
that is.

811
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,440
Brad, I'm doing pretty good on
the season.

812
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,760
I've bounced back a little bit.
I'm at 12:00 and 7:00 on the

813
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,440
year or on the season rather.
I don't know man, how?

814
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920
How are you feeling?
I feel pretty good.

815
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,960
I I think that 2 facts and the
falsehood continues to be an

816
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,440
opportunity for me to mess with
you and I I will.

817
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,560
I will kill for those
opportunities, Bob.

818
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,240
Well, you already know that I
have absolutely no idea about

819
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,680
anything with the making of this
film or its existing IP.

820
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,240
So the the the time is ripe for
you to get a win.

821
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,600
Here, Brad hit me with your two
facts and a falsehood.

822
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Fact number one Peter Cohen, the
original voice of Optimus Prime,

823
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,680
described reprising the role as,
quote slipping into an old pair

824
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,960
of very comfortable shoes and
was grateful for the fans for

825
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,400
wanting him.
Was grateful to the fans for

826
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,640
wanting and bringing him back.
Fact #2.

827
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Michael Bay originally wanted an
Apple iPod for Simmons

828
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,240
demonstration of the Allspark,
but Apple CEO Steve Jobs

829
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,960
objected to the use of his
products and a Nokia cell phone

830
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,320
was used instead.
Fact #3 director Michael Bay

831
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,720
took a lot of Flack from the
fans of the original cartoon

832
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,600
when he changed Bumblebee's
color scheme from red and green

833
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,280
to yellow and black.
When asked to comment on the

834
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,640
change, Bay simply said I'm not
making a Christmas film.

835
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,280
OK, so for #2, let me I didn't
quite hear it correctly.

836
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Did you say an iPhone or an
iPad?

837
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,520
IPod Bob.
It used to be the small device

838
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,840
that only carried music, and
you'd put these wired headphones

839
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:41,040
from the device into your ears.
When we graduated high school, I

840
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,080
saved up my money for my
graduation party and I went and

841
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,360
bought myself an iPod and it was
like the.

842
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,000
Really nice thing in the world.
It was like the kind I got, like

843
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,360
the one with the most storage on
it.

844
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,120
It was gigabytes and gigabytes.
And I filled that thing with

845
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,760
music.
I missed the days of the iPod,

846
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,920
Brad.
I really do.

847
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Yeah, having a device that only
did one thing was was kind of

848
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,760
nice.
We didn't even know what we had,

849
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,440
Bob.
We sure didn't, man.

850
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,520
OK, listen, I'm immediately
drawn to #3 as the falsehood

851
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,280
here.
Just because.

852
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,120
Why the hell would you name a
character Bumblebee and then not

853
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,640
color him yellow and black?
I don't know, man.

854
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,640
Like would you give me one That
obvious though?

855
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,120
Maybe that's up to you, man.
You're you're the decider here,

856
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Robert.
OK, I'm going to just go ahead

857
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,400
and say #3's the falsehood
because I want to talk about

858
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Michael Bay and I kind of don't
care if I'm wrong on this one,

859
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,280
Brad.
Bob, the obvious trick has not

860
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,880
deceived you.
You are correct.

861
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,120
Hey, I did it.
I know what color a bumblebee

862
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,800
is.
Yeah, good job, man.

863
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,760
All right.
And that puts me at 13 and seven

864
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,520
on the season.
I've got a little bit of wiggle

865
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,520
room now to lose a few.
If I'm as flippant as I was

866
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,800
today, Brad, I think that I
might actually end up losing a

867
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,960
few here in the coming weeks.
All right, dude, let's talk

868
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,520
about Michael Bay.
Had you seen any Michael Bay

869
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,600
films?
I mean, aside from this one,

870
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,600
like prior to watching
Armageddon this season?

871
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Like what was your level of
familiarity with Michael Bay?

872
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Boom.
That's about all I knew about

873
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,800
Michael Bay, Bob.
So from a watching movies

874
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,000
perspective, had you seen
anything except for this?

875
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,200
No, I I've seen this in 10
minutes to the second one.

876
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,360
All right, so.
No Armageddon, no ambulance.

877
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,480
I don't, I don't know what other
films was he famous for pre

878
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,000
Transformers.
So his His first big movie was

879
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,720
96.
His movie called The Rock.

880
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,920
It's Nicolas Cage and Sean
Connery.

881
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Then he does Armageddon.
I don't know, he had one with

882
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,280
Ewan McGregor in the early
2000s.

883
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,160
That was kind of a flop, but
people like it a lot.

884
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,360
I think it's called The Island.
Oh, I love the island.

885
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,240
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, true.

886
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,880
Like, truly.
I remember watching that growing

887
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,400
up and thinking it was just such
a cool sci-fi movie.

888
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,120
Well, there you go.
Boom bang.

889
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,200
Michael Bay.
There you go.

890
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,800
You've seen a few Michael Bay
Movies Now.

891
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,640
I think you have a feel for what
his visual style looks like,

892
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,400
what his marks as an auteur are.
How a how does this work for you

893
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,840
as a Michael Bay movie?
And where does this one fall

894
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
when you're comparing it to,
like, Armageddon and the Island?

895
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,320
Oh, that's tough, man.
I think that Armageddon weirdly

896
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,120
makes more sense for all the
ridiculousness of the characters

897
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
in it.
I I think he just does a much

898
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,520
better job of setting up the
characters.

899
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,240
The to be honest, the funniest
parts of this movie are when the

900
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,200
Autobots, like, don't understand
human culture and they're they

901
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,040
feel very alien.
Other than that, all of the

902
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,480
human comedy just kind of falls
super flat.

903
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,160
Where so I when I watch
Armageddon, the humans feel a

904
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,600
lot more fleshed out in their
caricature Ness.

905
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,120
And so I I don't, I don't mind
them nearly as much as I do in

906
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,680
this film.
I think that Armageddon is

907
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,080
probably him at his best it it's
been so long since I watched The

908
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Island.
Though I I do, I do remember

909
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,680
loving that movie.
All right.

910
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Let's talk about the last half
hour of this movie because I

911
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,000
literally watched it, enjoyed
it, went to the grocery store,

912
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,320
came home to record with you and
was like, man, all of the things

913
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,240
that I had in my brain from that
last sequence are gone now.

914
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,560
So I went, I went on YouTube and
I found a clip and it was like

915
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,560
the last battle from this movie.
And it had action only.

916
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,200
So they cut out all the dialogue
and all the cutaways.

917
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,960
And it was perfect because it
was like the purest distillation

918
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,880
of here's what Michael Bay
brings to the table and Brad,

919
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,440
there's a there's a couple
things I want to talk about, one

920
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,720
of which is just the visual look
of the film.

921
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Michael Bay is known for really
high contrast imagery and I mean

922
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,240
that like like the black levels
are are turned way up and then

923
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,200
anything that's really light in
the image is kind of washed out.

924
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,600
Sometimes I think that looks so
good when it comes to his movies

925
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,320
holding up over the years, like
we've kind of gone in that

926
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,360
direction in in some ways with
the way we make TV and film

927
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,760
anyway.
And it stands in such it stands

928
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,480
in contrast to like the washed
outlook of the MCU and how

929
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,000
there's like no contrast and
everything's kind of Gray there.

930
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,320
It makes these movies look
really crisp and alive.

931
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,440
And it's not, it's not pretty,
but it is beautiful in a way.

932
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,040
You you mentioned that earlier
that this movie has a beautiful

933
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,040
look to it.
I would agree with that.

934
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Yeah dude, this movie looks
really pretty like I I just

935
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,640
think that if you want to
evaluate this film on how it

936
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,840
looks, I think the CG stands up
really well.

937
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,000
The the the Autobots never feel
like they are in a different

938
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,080
realm.
Like they feel very grounded and

939
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,960
real.
And I think that the high

940
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:11,240
contrast style of the the
picture itself helps a ton when

941
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:16,160
you have super bright shiny
alien robots running around the

942
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,720
screen all the time like I I
think that that helps them pop,

943
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,000
but it keeps the rest of the
film from washing out.

944
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Well, and I think that the
second thing I want to talk

945
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,360
about is how well the effects
hold up.

946
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,320
And I say that with the caveat
that anytime they're showing a

947
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,240
Transformers face, it looks
terrible, like you're just not

948
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,760
going to make a robot talking
look good anyway.

949
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,160
But it's especially bad the the
faces.

950
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:47,000
But literally everything else in
this movie looks fantastic.

951
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:55,000
And it's because I think a, it's
easier for CG to generate like

952
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,880
like metal, like surfaces
sometimes than it is to make

953
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,760
something that looks realistic
like flesh.

954
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,000
But also Michael Bay is known
for doing so much practical on

955
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,480
set stuff.
There's so much rubble and

956
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,560
debris and stuff being blown up
and sparks being lit off that if

957
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,440
you have a good CG team working
with you, you can use the

958
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,800
elements that you're filming on
the day and kind of layer in the

959
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,400
CG elements so that it it really
blends seamlessly with what's

960
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,560
going on.
And I think the key here is

961
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,400
like, this wasn't all just
filmed on one giant sound stage

962
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,280
that was covered in green and
blue walls.

963
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,640
Like there's very clearly an
actual road and buildings,

964
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,480
whether the buildings are set or
not.

965
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,800
But there's a tactile Ness to
everything here.

966
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,960
And I think the CG is like it.
It blends perfectly.

967
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,520
I was shocked at how good this
looked.

968
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Brad.
Dude, the human eye and the

969
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,600
human brain can tell what's real
and what isn't.

970
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,840
And when you have more on screen
that is real than is computer

971
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,080
generated, it helps the CG blend
in much more seamlessly.

972
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,720
It it keeps it from being in an
uncanny valley.

973
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:13,320
I I just, I I cannot say enough
about how much I wish modern CG

974
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,920
films would learn from from the
things that we saw here in

975
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,880
Transformers. 100% man.
There's a shot during that final

976
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,880
battle and they they show this
woman who's in the street and I

977
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,000
thought it was Megan Fox at
first.

978
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,400
It's not, it's just some random
lady.

979
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,600
It's a slow motion shot and one
of the Decepticons is coming

980
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,040
from down the street and
there's, you know, there's

981
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,720
chunks of asphalt flying,
there's sparks going.

982
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,760
He dives over her in slow motion
and then like goes and fights

983
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,520
somebody else down the street
and man, hey, first of all, I

984
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,600
think the the way the shots are
designed in this movie is really

985
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,320
great.
It's super intricate.

986
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,680
Some of these shots, and I'm
kind of blown away still at how

987
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,640
they managed to take really
difficult shots that filmed real

988
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,520
things and layered the CGI over
them.

989
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,240
But that shot in particular is
like, it's like a Michael Bay

990
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,320
wet dream.
It's slow MO, there's stuff

991
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,520
blowing up, there's a pretty
lady and then you get to see

992
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,120
robots fighting and it's just
all done in a wonder.

993
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,400
And man, I just like, this is
freaking beautiful.

994
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,040
This is why Michael Bay gets
paid.

995
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,040
Like he made this movie
worthwhile to me with just a few

996
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,960
shots at the end of the film.
Yeah, 100% man, that he has an

997
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,520
incredible talent for shooting
action.

998
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,440
And I I think that if you allow
him to just do that and make

999
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,320
this like an hour and 40 minute
film, I think that this is like

1000
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,520
minimum an 8 out of 10 movie, if
not approaching a nine out of 10

1001
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,040
if you cut out so much of the
stuff that they just isn't good

1002
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,280
at.
Well, I mean, I think you could

1003
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,520
cut out like the entire John
Turturro character and subplot.

1004
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,520
I think you could cut out pretty
much the entire Anthony, what's

1005
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,160
his name is Anthony Anderson
character.

1006
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,640
And even like the knockoff
Margot Robbie character that's

1007
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,600
hanging out with them, like, get
rid of both of those people.

1008
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,840
We don't really need them beyond
her finding this signal at the

1009
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,680
beginning.
Cut out Shia Labeouf's parents

1010
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,280
and everything to do with those
scenes and you've already

1011
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,720
trimmed this movie down to about
two hours and it works you.

1012
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,640
Don't want to hear them.
You don't want to hear them

1013
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,480
talking about Shia Labeouf's
happy place.

1014
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,720
Happy time.
Yeah, I told you a few weeks

1015
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,200
ago, Brad, that any time we were
talking about dirty things on

1016
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,840
the podcast, I would say that
Lord Cummington is making an

1017
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,800
appearance again.
And boy oh boy, he show up for

1018
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,720
Shia Labeouf's Happy Time.
All right, man.

1019
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,400
What a movie, Bob.
What a film.

1020
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,800
Movie.
Let's get into.

1021
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,720
Let's make it a double, Brad.
We're near the end of the

1022
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,080
episodes of Things Listening to
the Film and Whiskey show.

1023
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,640
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1024
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,520
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1025
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,240
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1026
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,520
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1027
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,080
to make the perfect double
feature.

1028
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,080
Brad, I think there's a lot of
directions you can go here.

1029
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,560
I think you could do Pacific
Rim.

1030
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,560
It's pretty obvious.
You could do Independence Day.

1031
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,880
You could do Armageddon.
I would like to hear what you

1032
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,520
came away with and if I've
already stepped all over it with

1033
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,800
all these films I've been
talking about.

1034
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,720
You kind of did.
I I think Pacific Rim is like

1035
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,880
the perfect pairing.
However, I'm going to go with a

1036
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,640
film that I think is just as bad
as Transformers on the script

1037
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,160
front, where whereas weirdly I
feel like Pacific Rim knows what

1038
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,160
it is and and doesn't try to be
more, and therefore the script

1039
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,000
is better, I'm going to go with
2011's Real Steel.

1040
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,240
Another film I have never seen.
Yeah, it is.

1041
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:50,360
Basically they took the Rock Em
Sock Em robots from the 80s and

1042
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,760
turned it into a movie.
And it's bad.

1043
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,640
It's it's not good.
All right, man, Brad, I think I

1044
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,560
am going to be boring and just
kind of pick Independence Day

1045
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,600
again because I like
Independence Day.

1046
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,600
I like watching it.
I think that it is.

1047
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:14,040
It is significantly goofier than
this movie is like in terms of

1048
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,080
there's some effective horror
elements in Independence Day but

1049
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,000
you'd never feel like it's more
than just a cheesy 90s movie.

1050
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Where is this one is trying to
simultaneously balance like

1051
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:32,680
really dumb grandma's boy type
humor and like a a an Iraq war

1052
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,480
desert movie and it just doesn't
work sometimes.

1053
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,040
So I want to watch Transformers
to appreciate Michael Bay and

1054
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,480
then I want to say, hey, let's
also watch a movie that I think

1055
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,440
tries the same thing with the
script and does it better.

1056
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,360
And that's Independence Day for
me.

1057
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Yeah, I I can't say you're
wrong, man.

1058
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,200
I I think I still just come back
to I think Transformers is

1059
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,080
prettier.
But I Independence Day is the

1060
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,160
better film.
Well, let's see how much better

1061
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Brad, because it's time for us
to give final scores here.

1062
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,720
This is really hard, dude.
I I was, I was prepared to give

1063
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:13,920
this movie a solid 4 or 3 1/2
because it is truly, truly bad

1064
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,360
except for the Michael Bay
stuff.

1065
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,840
And those 7 minutes I watched on
YouTube were like 9.5 out of 10

1066
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,080
action movie filmmaking.
How much does that redeem a

1067
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,680
three movie?
I think I'm going to give this

1068
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,680
movie A5 point.
Not even that I'm going to give

1069
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,320
it a 4.5 out of 10. 4.5 Bro
Normally when you you're like

1070
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,240
teetering, you drop 1/2 point.
You just dropped a whole point

1071
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,680
from where you were at.
Well, again, my benchmark is

1072
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,480
like The Phantom Menace, which I
think is a bad movie.

1073
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,360
The Phantom Menace is a
significantly more unified

1074
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,920
vision and piece of filmmaking
than this is.

1075
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,080
Oh yeah, 100%.
That's because The Phantom

1076
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:03,280
Menace is a great film.
I will give this a six out of

1077
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,000
10.
I like.

1078
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,520
I think on IMDb this is sitting
around a 7 out of 10.

1079
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,440
I think that's a little bit high
for me.

1080
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240
It doesn't work in a lot of
ways, but it's pretty and it's a

1081
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,240
fun action movie. 6 out of 10.
I I think I would be OK if I

1082
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,760
never watched this again in my
life though.

1083
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,080
Me too.
I might watch that YouTube clip

1084
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,960
again, but I'm not watching this
whole movie again.

1085
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Ever.
Ever.

1086
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,440
Brad, we have a new lowest rated
film of the season now at a 5.25

1087
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,880
average.
Transformers.

1088
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,800
How do we feel about that?
Is this worse than My Big Fat

1089
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,360
Greek Wedding?
Oh.

1090
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,760
I don't, I think, Oh, that's
tough.

1091
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,760
My Big Fat Greek Wedding is
pretty rough.

1092
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,880
I don't know that I'm like truly
thrown for a loop because in

1093
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,920
certain ways you can tell, you
can see where the money was

1094
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,520
spent on this film and you can
tell that there was no money to

1095
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,680
put into my Big Fat right.
So I think that's what makes it

1096
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:08,560
hard, is that this is like so
much more well crafted visually

1097
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,520
as a film.
I don't know you.

1098
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,680
You decide for me.
OK, well, I'm just going to go

1099
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,240
ahead and say they're both bad,
and I'm glad that they're both

1100
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,680
behind us now.
But next week, Brad, we're

1101
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,040
watching a film that is, I
think, gets an undeserved rap

1102
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,000
for being bad.
It's bad in the context of

1103
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Steven Spielberg's catalog, but
it's still better than most

1104
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,320
movies, and that is Indiana
Jones and the Kingdom of the

1105
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Crystal Skull, a film that I
just watched for the first time

1106
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,600
last year.
Brad, where are you on this

1107
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Indiana Jones movie?
Watched it when it came out and

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hated it.
Sorry.

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For some fun, then we should are
Well, that's it for Transformers

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today, folks.
If you want to talk to us about

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this movie or our upcoming
Indiana Jones, watch.

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You can find us on all of our
social medias Facebook, Twitter,

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Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube
at Film Whiskey.

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Yeah, or you can join the
Discord.

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We are on there every single day
talking to you guys, fans of the

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Film and Whiskey Podcast.
So if you'd like to join the

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conversation, you can find a
link to our discord at the end

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of every single one of the show
notes.

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We'll be back next week talking
Spielberg and Harrison Ford.

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And again, aliens.
But until then, I'm Bob Buck.

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I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.