Toy Story 3 / Bardstown Bourbon Company Collaborative Series Amrut

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In 2010, Pixar Animation Studios
and star Tom Hanks gave the

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world a tearful goodbye to the
90s favorite cast of toys.

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And the goodbye was so perfect
and so beautiful that no one in

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their right mind would ever try
a money grab by making another

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film in this storied franchise.
In 2024, we try a whiskey that's

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a pairing up of two of our
favourites.

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The film is Toy Story 3, the
final of the Toy Story

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franchise.
The whiskey is Bardstown Bourbon

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Company collaborative series I'm
Root.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Buck.

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I'm Brad G and Bob.
I have to say, I'm just jumping

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in.
I I'm so I'm feeling so strongly

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today.
Jump baby, do it.

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This is the point where my
Disney hatred starts.

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This is the point.
This is the point in the podcast

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where like I feel like I'm at a
point where I can specifically

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point to something that's like
Disney F you and now it's not

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Toy Story 3.
Oh gosh, this movie.

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I was just going to say, wait a.
Minute I I love Toy Story 3.

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It's the fact that Toy Story 4
exists dude, and I know it

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doesn't exist for another, I
don't know, 6-8 years after

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this.
When did that one come out?

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Who cares?
But this is like a specific

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place where I'm like Disney.
Well, I should say Pixar, great

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stuff, killing it, keep it up.
But Disney just ruins

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everything.
And we're we're going to spend

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most of this episode just
talking about the brilliance of

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Toy Story 3.
But I just right here, I'm going

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to say, if you have not heard me
discuss my Disney hate for too

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much of this season, I think
this is the episode where it

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really kicks off.
This is the point of no return,

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that this is kind of like our
last wonderful treat of the

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night and we have overstuffed
ourselves on good movies this

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season and the rest of this
season is going to just be the

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post meal vomit that comes up
afterwards.

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Do.
Do you vomit after all your

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meals, Bob?
Listen, what's not important

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that.
Might be.

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Everything's fine here.
Folks, if this is your first

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time tuning into Film and
Whiskey, welcome aboard.

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I always reserve this little
spiel that I do until after we

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say something weird or
controversial.

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So you got your vomit for the
day, and now we're going to plug

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our podcast here on Film and
Whiskey.

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What do we do?
We talk about movies.

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We talk about whiskey.
It's in the title.

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This season what we're doing is
we're going through the highest

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grossing films of each year from
1988 to 2019.

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I don't think Toy Story Three
was actually the highest

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grossing film of 2010, but we've
done quite a few of the high

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grossing movies of this year.
We've also done, oh, I was just

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thinking Inception.
I think Inception came out this

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year, Brad, and that may have
been higher grossing than Toy

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Story 3.
I'm not sure.

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We'll we'll run the.
Numbers Now, Bob, you are

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actually wrong here.
Inception is the sixth highest

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calendar gross year for in your
releases of 2010, Toy Story 3 is

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the number one domestic box
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Well. 415,000,000 Oh yeah, 100%.
Brad, I want to start off today

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by talking about last week's
episode on up, which I am almost

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done editing and will get posted
here soon.

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Folks, you will have already
heard it 'cause it came out last

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week, but at the time of
recording, Brad, I think that

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this might be the first time we
have an episode that's longer

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than the movie itself.
So congratulations to you and

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me.
We did it finally.

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And congratulations to our
audience.

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You got that much more film and
whiskey than normal.

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But on that episode last week,
Brad, you said that you thought

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that Up was a perfect movie, or
at least a 10 out of 10.

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And I guess my opening question
to you here, Brad, without

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spoiling your score, do you feel
the same about Toy Story 3IN

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comparison to UP?
Man, that is a tough question.

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I think that Toy Story 3 is not
a perfect movie.

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I think that it is a perfect
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Is that is that fair?
I think that's absolutely fair.

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I have really struggled with
this movie Brad, because when I

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first saw it, I loved it and we
will talk about the reasons that

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I love it later on in the
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This movie just goes really,
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It came out at a very particular
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and I think we were the absolute
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and it worked like gangbusters.
But I I always had this nagging

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thing in the back of my head of
is this actually a good kids

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movie?
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children would enjoy?
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times, Up being another, that I
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like Pixar has found a way to
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packaging that is actually for
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Wally, I felt like Wally I felt
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Up was kind of like this.
Toy Story 3 definitely is.

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And I think because of that,
I've always struggled with, is

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this the best Toy Story movie?
It might actually be the best

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movie of the three, but I I
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between Toy Story two and Toy
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would rank as the best Toy Story
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Does that make sense?
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There's so many different
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account here.
I think if you are arguing for

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this purely on a kids movie
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of takes the cake there like
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There's so much in UP that feels
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amusing.
Toy Story 3 spends its entire

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time talking about the mythos,
the story of Toy Story one and

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Two, and how important it is for
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And I, I feel like most of that
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head of most kids watching it
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old range.
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Well, obviously thematically
this movie is is much, much

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darker than the first two are.
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the movie and the lighting
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UN quote filming style of the
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where they're trying to attack
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surveillance footage and there's
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everything.
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real world, naturalistic look to
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have been.
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jarring.
Sometimes you forget that you're

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watching, you know, computer
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engrossing.
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minute and think, like, does
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that Woody and Buzz should be
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This seems a little bit like
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supposed to be.
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bad thing, but you do kind of
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table before you even start
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Yeah.
And I, I think that the, the

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place we need to start
discussing this movie in is to

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kind of go back to the center of
it at all and have conversations

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about our performances.
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the very core of why Toy Story
is great, you kind of have two

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things.
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Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, and B you
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Studios, and when you pair those
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why the Toy Story franchise is
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Well, before we get into talking
about those performances, Brad,

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it is time for us to get to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call Brad, explains Brad.
'S going to give us the movie

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plots with only 60 seconds
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So let's go ahead and hear your
take with this little segment

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that we call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
movie that he has just seen

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often for the first time.
Brad, where does this fall on

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the Brad G Bell curve of films
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I so I actually saw this as a
double feature, like I made it a

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double all the way back in 2010.
You just knew what was coming.

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I.
Just I knew it was coming, man.

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I was working at a summer camp
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night when we're off decided hey
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and I believe it was the
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What a great if I that's my
hometown, baby.

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I love the Magic City drive in.
What a great spot.

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Yeah.
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Yeah, we drove all the way up
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Magic City drive in and saw, I
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followed by Toy Story 3, which I
I know you're not a huge fan of

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the Despicable Me franchise,
Bob, but the original one is

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like a solid 7/7 and 1/2 out of
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And then it was followed up with
my Toy Story 3, making it like,

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I'm not going to choose that as
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it was a hell of a double
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Yeah, I I guess I'm trying to
think of which order I'd rather

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watch both of those movies in.
But regardless, you had an

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enjoyable night out at the
movies and Brad, that means that

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it is time.
Wait, you didn't answer my

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question.
How many times have you seen it?

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I.
Don't think I've ever seen it

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again since then.
Like I'm really racking my brain

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but I believe this was my second
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I'll talk a little bit about my
history with the movie, but I'm

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not going to step on Brad
explains any longer.

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Folks, the way this works, Brad
gets 60 seconds on the clock to

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break down the plot of the movie
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So if you have not seen Toy
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You really need to get on this.
Go watch this hour and 30

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something minute movie because
it's a great one, and then come

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back afterwards to listen to
Brad break down the plot.

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Brad, one minute and go.
Toy Story 3 is a film about toys

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and the story that they go on.
You get it, I sure.

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Do.
Oh, good job, Bob.

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So Toy Story 3 talks about how
Woody and Buzz and the group of

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toys that are left are trying to
figure out what to do with their

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lives as Andy, their owner, goes
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Through a series of mishaps,
they end up at a daycare where

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they are used as cannon fodder,
if you will, to pacify the the.

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Monsters.
Just monstrous play of the young

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two to three-year old toddlers,
which is a little viewed

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overboard in the movie.
Bob, if, if I do say so myself,

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10 seconds.
I I don't know, man, go watch

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the movie.
It's great.

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It's a good.
Movie.

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Yeah, all.
Right, Brad?

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Man, that really just petered
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I shouldn't have said 10
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I shouldn't just let you keep
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Yeah, you should have we're.
On a strict time, we're we're.

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We're putting this one on you.
This is your fault, Bob.

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You said absolutely nothing for
50 seconds and then gave up.

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Don't put this on me, Ricky
Bobby.

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All right, dude, let's dive into
talking about the movie itself.

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And it sounds like you want to
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is kind of funny because I think
the voice performances are

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amazing.
And you know, this cast as all

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the Toy Story movies are, but as
the as the cast of characters

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has grown by the third one, they
always fill them with

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celebrities.
So if you just go down the

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roster of people who voice
characters in this movie, it's

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kind of staggering.
However, there is so much going

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on thematically with this movie
that I think performances was

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the thing I wanted to talk about
the least 'cause I'm like, let's

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get to the meat of it, baby.
But I think you're right.

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And I think we should start at
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Now, this is really even more
than the last movie was Woody's

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movie.
This is really Woody's movie.

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I feel like every other
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maybe Lotso is a truly
supporting character in that

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they have significantly less
dialogue than Woody does.

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This is a lot about Woody
continuing to grapple with his

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own existence and his meaning
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over against Lotso, who is
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Woody.
But it's Tom Hanks's moment to

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shine once again here, Brad.
And once again, there's nobody

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better that they could have
gotten than Tom Hanks.

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I mean, yeah, if if, if they
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slinky dog because Jim.
Varney died, right?

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If they recast Woody though that
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a recast because like Tom Hanks.
Is.

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Possibly one of the greatest
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because of this role.
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grappling that he is doing with
the quickly running out time

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that they have with Andy.
And you know, the few small

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moments that he gets with Buzz
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favourites.
When Buzz is like, listen, man,

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like, I, I know you're trying to
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we actually going to do here?
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moments where I'm just like,
like Tim Allen and Tom Hanks are

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just beautiful together.
Yeah, and you really do see Buzz

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kind of stepping into I, I
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the whole film.
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movie, his love interest Bo Peep
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Andy, like in the past.
We don't even see that wave of

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toy donations that happens.
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Buzz.
And Buzz is doing a great job of

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being supportive friend #4 and
he has his own little side

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quests and storylines that
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But as much as Tim Allen is very
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really remember a lot of like,
big emotional moments from his

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character.
It really does seem like Woody

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and pretty much everybody else.
Yeah, I I'm curious what you

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think about the additions
though.

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Like where, where does Ned
Beatty and what's Batman as Ken

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Batman Keaton.
Wow, dude.

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OK, well, we'll start with Ned
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excellent as Lotso.
It's also at least the second

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time we've had Ned Beatty on the
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Do you remember the first Brad?
Do I remember the first?

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Yes, he was in network.
He.

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Was in network.
He's the guy that gives the big

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long soliloquy about you have
tangled with the very forces of

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nature, Mr. Biaimo.
Forces of nature.

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You must atone.
Yeah, it's great, dude.

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First off, give me props.
I just pulled that out of

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nowhere.
Yeah, you did or?

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Did you pull it from IMDb?
That's the real question.

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No, I I was just like, man, Ned
Beatty.

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I remember that name.
I did watch Network maybe like

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eight months ago with some
friends.

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So you know a little.
Refresher.

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OK.
So what do you think of the

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performance though, Brad?
Oh, it's incredible.

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Yeah.
Like he, I can't imagine a

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better performance for like
Godfather of a Prison from

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anybody else.
Like he has that warm, engaging,

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very soft Southern lilt to his
voice as he's being friendly.

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But man, when he gets menacing.
Dude, one of one of the things I

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love most about that character
though, is both in the voice

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acting and in the character
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From the very moment that he
pulls up on the back of that

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like Tonka truck or whatever it
is and greets them, there's an

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edge to him that you already
know, like, oh, that's going to

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be the bad guy.
Like it's it's so obvious.

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And they're not really trying to
hide it because Ned Beatty's

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doing this particular voice
where it's it's warm and

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engaging, but in a very fake way
that you can already tell like,

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Oh yeah, this this doesn't seem
like this guy exudes warmth.

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It seems like he's putting on an
act.

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And, and the only thing I can
really compare it to is a movie

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that, I mean, I don't think
you've seen this yet, but last

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year Scorsese made a movie
called Killers of the Flower

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Moon.
And Robert De Niro's character

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in that movie is this is not a
spoiler.

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He's the bad guy in the movie.
And he does this thing every

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time somebody dies or is
murdered and they come to him

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because they think he's a good
guy.

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For consolation, he puts on this
very like, oh, they're, they're

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kind of a voice.
And it's so fake, but it's so

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eerie because it it just
underscores how this guy is

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incapable of empathizing.
And I think the same thing

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happens here with Lotso, where
he is so overcome with this

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hatred, this deep seated
bitterness and unforgiveness and

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hatred in his heart that it
comes out even when he's

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pretending to be friendly.
And Bob, I, I know you want to

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talk about this.
Why?

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Is he so angry, Bob?
What's going on in poor little

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old Lotso's heart?
Abandonment issues, man.

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Yeah.
I mean like literal abandoned

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ministry.
I don't know.

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It's like get more literal than
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Those are like right up there.
Next to father issues for you,

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aren't they?
Not really, but.

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But it's hard to watch.
Yeah.

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I can't remember ever being left
at a rest stop and having to

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find my way back home.
Brad, but.

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I'm, I'm really glad to hear
that, yeah.

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Good, Good job, Mr., Mrs. Book
you have.

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That's the.
That's the baseline for

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parenting the.
Baseline the bare minimum of

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parenting.
Don't.

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Get it your child.
Here's my question is the.

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Story of Lotso.
Too similar to that of Jesse in

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the second one.
Yes but I noticed this time

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around and it's something that I
really really loved about it.

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It's pretty obvious.
But the fact that they make him

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the anti woody I think is what
distinguishes the story because

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they add 1 little line in there
when the clown is narrating what

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happened to them.
And he said, like, you know, she

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loved us all, but Lotso was
special.

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Lotso was the leader.
Lotso was the one that we all

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looked up to.
And it so obviously is trying to

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parallel Woody's decision later
on in the movie.

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So, you know, Lotso to the very
end of the movie refuses to

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allow himself to accept
friendship and to accept

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community 'cause he can't trust
anybody anymore.

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And so at the very end of the
movie, when they're about to get

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sent into the fiery furnace and
die, he looks down on them and

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is like, I would rather be alone
than be with you guys and turns

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his back on him one last time.
And it really mirrors what

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Woody's going to do at the end
of the movie, which is I'm going

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to college with Andy, you guys.
I've set up a really nice

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retirement home for you, but I'm
still going away.

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And so the final act that shows
that Lotso and Woody are

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different is Woody choosing to
stay with them instead of

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abandoning them the way that
Lotso did.

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And I think that.
Yes, the back story part is way

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too similar to what happened
with Jesse, But they tried to

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kind of sow the, you know, the
seed early on that we're not

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comparing him to Jesse, we're
comparing him to Woody because

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he's the leader of the group.
Sure.

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Yeah, I, I mean, that's
interesting because I feel like

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in Toy Story 2, the the purpose
is to highlight we get

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abandoned.
Therefore we ought to be

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admired, you know, we ought to
be set apart as these

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collectibles.
Whereas like Lotso takes it to a

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place of like authoritarianism
and like totalitarianism and

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like I'm going to create a world
where I get to do the rejecting

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and I get to control what
happens in my life.

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And that, like, for me, that
almost feels like a more human

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interaction of like, what
happens when people are

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neglected, abused, abandoned as
children.

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It's like, yeah, you, you become
an adult who wants to control

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everything in your life.
That that totally makes sense.

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Well, I'm glad you brought up
Toy Story 2, because if we could

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go back to that movie for a
minute, and this is a really

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nice Brad, because now we've
done the three Toy Story movies

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that I ever care to talk about.
We've done 1-2 and three now, so

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we can talk across the trilogy
now.

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In Toy Story two, you start to
get the deepening of the lore

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and the mythology and the way
this world actually works in a

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way you didn't with the first
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And I think that at the end of
that episode, we talked about

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how people view the Toy Story
films as a metaphor for

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parenting.
And I think that if the movies

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kind of stopped at the second
one, that metaphor would be

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probably the deepest metaphor
that you could get from these

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films.
And it does.

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It's it's really nice.
It's a good deep metaphor.

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But in that movie, you get yet
like, yes, Jesse got abandoned.

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But what she ultimately wants to
do is not just be admired, but

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like, artificially replicate the
love of a child.

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And what they choose at the end
of the movie, instead of just

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being viewed through glass, is
we'd rather have a finite amount

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of time being really loved and
really played with with Andy

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than to live forever trying to
artificially duplicate that.

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And I think that, like, that's
a, it's a perfect metaphor for

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parenting, which continues on
into this movie.

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This movie is all about the
existential crisis of Andy's

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mom.
And, you know, Andy's going to

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college.
The room is emptied out.

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Like, what does this mean for us
as parents?

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And you can see that kind of
thing play out with all the way

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to, you know, the brink of
despair at the end of the movie.

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I think that the metaphor does
go even deeper than that this

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time around, which is what I
really want to talk about in the

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second-half, Brad.
But I guess let's let's go back

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to the characters in the movie,
too, because Lotso is lording

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over all these other characters
at Sunnyside, trying to create

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this kind of fake utopia similar
to what you see in the second

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movie with the Prospector.
And if there's one more addition

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to the cast that I think is
worth talking about, it's

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Michael Keaton as Ken, which I
remember seeing that he was the

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voice of Ken, But I, I don't
think I ever would have pegged

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that voice as Michael Keaton's
voice because he does such a

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good job throwing himself into
the sort of, I don't know, for

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lack of a better term,
flamboyance of that character.

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And man, oh man, does he do a
great job as Ken.

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Oh, dude.
It, it is so far and away a

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ridiculous performance.
Like I like, I can't imagine

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that I'm a casting agent,
director, whatever in like 2009

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Hollywood.
And I'm trying to put together

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this cast for Toy Story.
And I'm like, I need the most

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expressive, like wild,
flamboyant actor I know to play

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Ken in an upcoming Pixar
animated film.

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You know who I'm going to call?
Let's call Michael Keaton.

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Let's call it Batman, yeah?
Like not just Batman, but like a

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Batman known for how stilted and
kind of wooded in his

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performance was.
And he he nails it, man.

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He he comes across with so much
vibrancy that like the the way

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he voices can gives it a
sincerity and an authenticity

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that you feel like exists.
If a Ken toy were to come to

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life, it's perfect, Yeah.
Yeah, man, I don't really have

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anything else to say about him.
He's he's really great.

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It's a it's a good side
character because it offers some

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much needed Comic Relief to the
movie.

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But he also like, I do think
that that he helps under score

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exactly what Lotso's point of
view is.

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And they really make Lotso's
worldview clear at the end of

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the movie when they're all kind
of standing on the precipice of

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the dumpster and lots of just
spouting philosophy at them.

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And he, you know, he said, he
says to Woody like you're you're

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a piece of plastic.
You were made to be thrown away,

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you know, like this really
nihilistic worldview.

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And Ken expresses that he wants
Barbie to come with them.

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And he looks at Ken and says,
she's a Barbie doll.

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There's 100 million just like
her.

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And man, I just, I love that
this movie is both the most

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obvious in what they're trying
to get across, but also that

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they find really clever ways of
making their characters say

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these obvious things.
Like it's clear that Lotso is

445
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,200
representative of a worldview
that views humanity as not being

446
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,120
particularly special, I think to
understate it, but to but to

447
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,840
express it as she's a Barbie
doll, there's 100 million like

448
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320
her.
Is this really great touch

449
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,840
'cause it has this, this sense
of not just nihilism, but almost

450
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,880
like fascism to it.
You know, like I'm just looking

451
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,440
at the masses and they don't
matter to me.

452
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320
They're just a number.
And I think that and go ahead.

453
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,480
And on a, on the flip side of
that, like you're just a Ken

454
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,240
doll, there's 100 billion more
of you too.

455
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,400
And that like that's the fascist
side of it for me, that that

456
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,160
just feels like gross.
I, I think that's the only word

457
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,960
I can use.
And, and the movie forces you,

458
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,720
the viewer to ponder with that
question.

459
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Like, what do I believe makes me
special in in a world with 7

460
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,120
billion and rising amount of
people?

461
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,280
Like, I don't know, man.
It's a question that I

462
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,760
constantly think about.
Like when when people watch a

463
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,200
YouTube video for, you know, all
the young people out there who

464
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,280
supposedly want to be
influencers.

465
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Like, it has to be a little bit
crushing to your soul to see,

466
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,400
you know, 728,000 likes on
somebody else's video and like,

467
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,400
just to see the sheer magnitude
of that number and think to

468
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,120
yourself, I'll never be that
special.

469
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,560
And.
Like, well, it's just such a

470
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,960
difficult question that I feel
like our culture is wrestling

471
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,920
with right now.
Yeah.

472
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Well, and the addition of a Ken
doll as the the way the mode of

473
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280
expressing that I think is
really brilliant because, you

474
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,960
know, if you saw Barbie last
year, the entire plot of that

475
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,800
movie kind of revolves around,
you know, her quest to become a

476
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,440
real person.
What does it mean to become a

477
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
real person?
What does it mean to be a woman

478
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,240
in the real world?
But then the side quest of Ken,

479
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,000
culminating in him realizing I'm
just Ken and how everyone kind

480
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280
of ignores him.
And it's true.

481
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,360
Like you think about Barbie and
it's Barbie and Ken.

482
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,440
Like Ken is completely devoid of
personality.

483
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320
He's the blandest looking doll
there is.

484
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
And so to include him here to
under score the fact that yes,

485
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,560
there are of 100 million of him.
And then Lotso has this line

486
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,720
that that says like, we're all
just trash waiting to be thrown

487
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,360
away.
But they've made us the audience

488
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,520
care specifically about this one
Barbie and this one Ken.

489
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,960
And I just, I, I just think it's
a really, really clever way of

490
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,640
introducing and working with
these themes that they're trying

491
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160
to hit on.
I have I have two thoughts. 11

492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840
is good and the other one is
just amusing.

493
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,720
The second thought, first the
line, the line when when Ken and

494
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Barbie are talking and he goes,
I love you Barbie.

495
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,000
I know you, you don't know me
from AGI Joe, but that just that

496
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,520
freaking killed me, man.
The more important thought is

497
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,880
this, the, the important message
of the story and I, I think it's

498
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,480
the important message that we
can hopefully take away is that

499
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,600
the reason Ken and Barbie and
Woody and Buzz and Lotso and

500
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Jesse and all these characters,
the reason they are important is

501
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,280
not because they're a Ken doll
or a Woody doll or a Buzz

502
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,800
Lightyear action figure.
The reason they're important is

503
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,120
the time that Andy spends with.
Them yes, like.

504
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,560
Like that's what makes our lives
meaningful is the fact that we

505
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600
spend time with people who want
to spend time with us, right?

506
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,840
Like that.
Like those are the things that

507
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,720
make beautiful memories.
I.

508
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Think that there is like the the
Brad G Community Corner TM

509
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,320
really does show up in this
movie The way that it does in so

510
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,400
many movies that Brad G loves
Brad G loves movies about

511
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840
community and you get that
amongst the toys.

512
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,720
What I really love about this
movie is that it takes.

513
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,840
I guess what if you could call
it Canon, like it takes the

514
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Canon of Toy Story one and Toy
Story two, and I think it takes

515
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,440
things that they weren't even
intending to make this deep and

516
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,520
they and they make them that
deep in this movie to the point

517
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,120
where like, you know, the the
kids love is essentially like

518
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,240
what breathes life into these
toys.

519
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
I know that the toys come alive
when the kids out of the room,

520
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,120
but like what, what their
ultimate purpose their tell us,

521
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,320
if we can use Greek words here,
is to be loved by a toy like

522
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,960
that is what gives them meaning
and identity is to be loved by a

523
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,000
kid.
I mean, not a toy.

524
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,840
And I I just think that, you
know, you're talking about what

525
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,680
makes these toys worthy and
worthwhile and have meaning is

526
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640
their relationship to that kid
and that without those that

527
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,800
relationship, their life has no
meaning.

528
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,800
Do you get to the point where
lotso is where it's like, well,

529
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,880
if can't be loved by a kid, then
everything is garbage.

530
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800
Everything is trash,
Everything's end is the

531
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
dumpster.
And I think that it it becomes

532
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,680
pretty clear, Brad, what they're
trying to say metaphorically

533
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,280
with this movie and
philosophically.

534
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840
And I think that's kind of where
I want to get in the second-half

535
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
of this episode before we throw
to whiskey.

536
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,720
Any final thoughts on the
performances, the music, the

537
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
filmmaking?
Because I think we're going to

538
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,840
get pretty deep in the
second-half of your Brad.

539
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,360
The the way you said whiskey was
like as if it was a capital W

540
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,400
before we throw to whiskey like,
like it's a person.

541
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,320
It's hard to interview.
Yeah.

542
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
I mean, is it not our friend?
Yeah.

543
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520
I mean, you know, they call it
the water of life.

544
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,160
It's just like the kids in Toy
Story.

545
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,040
Whiskey is what revivifies us,
Brad.

546
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,080
It sure revivifies me, my
friend.

547
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,960
I don't think so.
I I think that if there's

548
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,640
anything else to talk about from
a technical standpoint, how far

549
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:12,560
along has Pixar come from 1999
Toy Story 2 to 2010?

550
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,480
I mean this movie is gorgeous
and to the.

551
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Credit of Toy Story 4.
There's another jump that I

552
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,480
didn't even realize they could
take from 2010 to 2017 or

553
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,360
whenever Toy Story Four came out
because like from the beginning

554
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
we talked about how good they
were with some surfaces like the

555
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,840
wood grains and the kind of
dinged up furniture in Andy's

556
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
room.
But that the plastic, it just

557
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720
looks terrifying and the people
look terrifying and the dog

558
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,520
looks terrifying in Toy Story
One.

559
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,080
And you start to see those
incremental improvements

560
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,960
throughout Toy Story two.
I think the thing that I noticed

561
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,280
mostly with this movie, Brad is
like, yes, everything looks a

562
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120
million times better and
clearer.

563
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,200
The way they employ light and
shadow in this movie is just so

564
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
much more nuanced even than Toy
Story 2.

565
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,000
Like it in the very first scene
when Woody rounds everybody up

566
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,840
and he's like, all right, we all
need to gather up and you get

567
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,840
that horrifying shot of there's
no one there anymore.

568
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,520
And they say, Hey, we are
gathered.

569
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,960
It's like, oh God, that's what
that's what this has come to.

570
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,240
They start to do these really
cool close-ups on Woody that has

571
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720
like a a shallow depth of field.
Like the background's all

572
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,400
blurred, but hit whole one side
of his face is not facing the

573
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,200
window.
And so there's shadow on it.

574
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,600
And I was just like, Oh my gosh,
like these textures look

575
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,640
absolutely real world level now
because of the way that they

576
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,480
finally figured out how to make
Light interact with these

577
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
characters.
Yeah, it's incredible.

578
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,560
I I was even thinking about when
they throw him in the in the

579
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,680
sand pit, when they throw like,
dude, the way that they animate

580
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:55,520
sand looks incredible.
There's just a lot of this film

581
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,920
that looks so much more sleek
and just sharper than the first

582
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,199
two that I'm like, yeah, I, I, I
I can't not have an episode

583
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,600
about this and not point out how
beautiful it is.

584
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,320
All right, man.
Well, let's try something else

585
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,679
that's hopefully beautiful in
this Bardstown I'm root

586
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,280
collaboration.
What do you say?

587
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:28,800
Let's get to it all right.
Everybody today we are drinking

588
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,719
Bardstown Bourbon Company
Collaborative series

589
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,199
collaborator.
I was going to say collaboration

590
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,760
but by the time I got to the end
of reading this really long word

591
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,840
I was like crap.
I have pronounced this wrong to

592
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,560
finish the word.
It's supposed the way it's

593
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,199
supposed to be finished.
Collaborative series.

594
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,480
Amroot.
Now, Bob.

595
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,159
I.
Don't know how good your memory

596
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:52,320
is?
Oh.

597
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040
It's, it's pretty great, Brad,
when it comes to it's pretty

598
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,320
great.
Do you?

599
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Remember about one season ago we
drank a little little products

600
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,520
called Amroot Fusion and it blew
our socks off I.

601
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,920
Would just like to take credit
for Bardstown doing this.

602
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,240
I think they heard our our
review and we're like, well,

603
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,920
shoot, let's we need to get a
hand on this whiskey in there.

604
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Yeah, yeah.
Now 100%, Bob, this is a whiskey

605
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,720
that we were so, so excited
about.

606
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,760
And when I saw this box show up
on my front doorstep, I like, I

607
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,520
can't explain to you the
excitement in my soul when I

608
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,680
opened this box.
Bob, do you?

609
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Know how I know how excited you
were?

610
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,280
You immediately made a post
about it on Instagram and I

611
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,120
usually have to pull teeth to
get you to even interact with

612
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640
people on social media.
You sure do I?

613
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,720
Literally opened Instagram and
there was already a Brad G

614
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,120
produced post about this product
on our Instagram page.

615
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,200
So Brad, thanks so much for
that.

616
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,080
What we're drinking today is a
straight rye whiskey finished in

617
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Amrut Indian malt whiskey
barrels and then blended with

618
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200
straight bourbon whiskey.
Now if you want to get nerdy

619
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,720
about this, what I find
interesting about the process

620
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,760
here, Brad, is that just reading
that sentence, it looks like

621
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,080
they took a bunch of rye.
They finished that in the OM

622
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,480
root.
And then I don't know if maybe

623
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,680
that wasn't quality enough in
their opinion to release as is,

624
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,520
but it sounds like they came in
and blended bourbon into it at

625
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,280
the end.
So like they didn't blend the

626
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,400
rye and the bourbon 1st and then
finish all of it.

627
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,920
They kind of cut it down with
some bourbon and I I suspect

628
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,480
that has to do with how I don't
know what the word is.

629
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Powerful, dude.
That had to be.

630
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Yeah, that.
Had to be so spicy.

631
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,760
Oh.
Yeah, dude, like.

632
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,160
Dude.
I wish I had that.

633
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Like I I trust Bardstown, I
trust that their blenders are

634
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,800
far and away better than
anything I could attempt at

635
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,880
blending, but I really wish I
could try the the just the rye

636
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440
finished in the in the Amrut
cast.

637
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,280
That would be incredible.
So Amrut was I think the 1st we

638
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,720
ever had from India on the show,
Brad, and we really started

639
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,160
things off with a bang because
that was I think our highest

640
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,800
rated whiskey of that season.
I am super pumped to dive into

641
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,240
this.
We're dealing with a 110 proof

642
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,560
whiskey.
Brad, you have already tried it.

643
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,280
I'm drinking it live.
Go ahead and give us your nosing

644
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,040
notes.
Dude, I like the note that we

645
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,320
kept giving over and over on the
OM root was plum.

646
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,160
And maybe it's just me like
manifesting that into existence,

647
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,040
but I get plum on this nose.
There's some Raspberry, there's

648
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,080
some cherry, there's some
cinnamon.

649
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,240
All in all, you are just getting
a really unique experience here

650
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,360
that I like.
I'm almost surprised that they

651
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,840
blended in the bourbon 'cause
I'm not getting much of it.

652
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
You know, maybe it was just a
little hint to give it some,

653
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,840
some sweetness back into the the
palate.

654
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
But right now I am getting all
sorts of fruits.

655
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,200
There's barley, there's
cinnamon, there is a little bit

656
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,080
of that rice spice.
I'm at a nine out of 10 on the

657
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,160
nose, Bob.
This is really, really nice,

658
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,440
man.
I do get a little bit more

659
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,480
bourbon than you do on the nose
here.

660
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,200
And I think to your point, it's
really fruity, but it's not the

661
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,760
usual suspects that we pick up
on bourbons and rice.

662
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600
It's not green apple.
I do get a little bit of Peach.

663
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,200
I'm not getting pear.
And I feel like pear was also

664
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200
one of the things I got on the
Omrut Fusion when we tried that

665
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200
one.
Plum is a really good note

666
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,640
though.
And I think that as I as I kind

667
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,960
of pushed through some of those
initial fruity notes, I do get

668
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,800
some cinnamon.
I do get a little bit of those

669
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,520
classic bourbon things.
I wonder, like you said, Brad,

670
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,080
is it just too spicy to release
the rye finished and am root?

671
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Because to be honest, I think
the bourbon kind of tamps down

672
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,680
the bold notes that we got on
the on the AM root.

673
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,400
But I think this is still a
really, really good nose.

674
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,480
I'm going to give it an 8.5 out
of 10.

675
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,360
And I'm sticking at a nine out
of 10 on my on my palate, the

676
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,000
taste notes once again, the plum
comes through somewhat strong.

677
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,040
There's barley notes, there's
vanilla.

678
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200
I felt like there was almost
like a hint of a powdered sugar.

679
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,240
And.
The the more I thought about it

680
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,360
as I put those four notes
together, plum, barley, vanilla,

681
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,360
powdered sugar, I realized what
I'm tasting, Bob, and it's

682
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
something that I know for a fact
that you ate growing up.

683
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,600
This is a Klotzky.
A what?

684
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,000
A.
Klotzky.

685
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
I don't even know what that is.
I daggone it, Bob.

686
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,760
Did you even grow up in
Northeast?

687
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,400
It sounds.
It sounds Polish, I can say

688
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,080
that.
You are correct, it is a Polish

689
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,720
cookie.
You you've had them before.

690
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,480
There's a little.
Bit of pastry and like this it's

691
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,000
almost like a a diamond and the
the outer parts are wrapped

692
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,160
around a little bit of like a
tart.

693
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Oh, sure.
Sure.

694
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,480
You know like Plum.
My Italian wife's family makes

695
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,600
those.
They call them Keithley.

696
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,440
I wonder if it's similar thing.
Sure.

697
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Yeah, most, yeah, most likely.
But like this tastes like a plum

698
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,760
klotchke and it's incredible.
Yeah, this is significantly

699
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,240
different than I expected it to
taste based on the nose.

700
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,600
And I, I'm not trying to tip my
hand with the balance score here

701
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,760
at all.
But it's immediately much more

702
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:26,400
kind of dark sweet brown sugar,
almost Maple character that tips

703
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,120
into vanilla and then gets even
darker, really dark prune plum

704
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,440
notes.
You get kick it to the back of

705
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,440
your palate, the rye takes over
and then you go to swallow and

706
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,720
then the the mulch just starts
creeping in, but then it's like

707
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:43,440
a wave of vanilla after that.
This is a word I don't typically

708
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,920
use, Brad.
Really smooth finish on this

709
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680
because of that addition of
vanilla at the end.

710
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,880
It's like, I don't know, it's
like a three act play on your

711
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,800
palate.
Like it's just it continues to

712
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,320
go in waves.
It's not consistent from front

713
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,080
to back, but it's like they keep
introducing new characters the

714
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,360
whole time.
Really cool experience.

715
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,840
I'm going to give it a nine out
of 10.

716
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Yeah.
And as I get to the finish, this

717
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,320
is where I think that this
whiskey really takes off.

718
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,560
I think that there are some
really interesting spices here.

719
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,400
There's a ginger flavor.
Lately my wife has been She

720
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,120
bought a box of a blueberry zinc
tea.

721
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,360
That.
I've really liked and I, I got

722
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,720
notes of that here there.
There's a little bit of that

723
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,320
blueberry tartness.
There's almost a bit of like a

724
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,920
classic kind of grape feel to
this.

725
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,520
But.
Overall, like the rye finally

726
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,920
comes through here on the finish
and and you get that rye spice

727
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,520
and it it wraps it all up into
this spicy, delicious finish

728
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,280
that I'm sitting at a nine and a
half on the finish floor.

729
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Yeah, I think I'm with you.
This, the finish is the best

730
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,520
part of this.
Blueberry is a great note.

731
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,400
And specifically blueberry tea.
I think you absolutely

732
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,920
pinpointed it.
This is delicious, man.

733
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,960
And I, I would never have
thought like, oh, let's mix this

734
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
with rye and see how it tastes
with the amroot.

735
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,200
But the rye doesn't take away
from the malt character and it

736
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,920
doesn't take away from those
really unique, I think terroir

737
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,600
inspired notes that you got on
the Indian malt. 9.5 for me on

738
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,360
the, on the finish as well.
And on balance, Brad, man, I

739
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,400
don't know, don't want to give
it an 8 1/2 or a nine.

740
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,960
I think.
I think I'll give it a nine out

741
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,320
of 10.
The nose tipped me off to things

742
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,720
that I didn't really pick up on
the taste or the finish.

743
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,840
It was a lot brighter than the
taste and finish was.

744
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,320
But it did tell me, hey, this is
going to be an interesting,

745
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,480
complex whiskey.
And it definitely delivered on

746
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,120
that.
Yeah, I'm at a nine and a half

747
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,120
on balance.
I I think that the flavors that

748
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,560
you get all work together really
well.

749
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480
And then they get wrapped up
with the giant bow of that rye

750
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,240
spice at the end.
It's a nine and a half on the

751
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,280
thin on the balance for me value
wise.

752
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,640
Bob, we are talking very close
to premium whiskey territory.

753
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,040
I'm trying to remember, did we
say $200.00 and up is premium?

754
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,280
Yeah, I.
Think that's where we settled.

755
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Yeah, so this is $160.00 bottle
of whiskey, so not quite enough

756
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,840
for us to label it officially as
a premium whiskey, but man, it's

757
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
close.
Wait, before the finger score.

758
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,760
Hold on.
Let me see if I can reframe

759
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,760
because I can.
I can hear the hesitance in your

760
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520
voice.
Let's compare this to last

761
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,400
week's whiskey, the Barrel
Vantage, which is quite

762
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,920
literally half the price of
this.

763
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,120
And I would argue maybe a
whiskey that I like better, but

764
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,480
I like it better because I can
see myself returning to that

765
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,280
like once every two weeks.
You know, like a little treat

766
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,800
myself poor every other Friday,
whereas this is one that's like,

767
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
I actually think this might be
the better whiskey, but this is

768
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,320
like a once a year.
Hey, I want something that is

769
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,960
just make going to make me sit
and think about life for an hour

770
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,880
because it's so complex.
And I almost feel like the the

771
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,640
$160.00 price point is justified
because I'm rude as an expensive

772
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,560
imported whiskey And you know,
Bardstown stuff is just always

773
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,120
at least $140.
And even among Bartstown, I

774
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,440
would say this is probably the
best Bartstown collaborative

775
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,240
I've had since Fifer Pavit.
Like it's been, it's been a

776
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,600
minute, dude.
So with that in mind, I, I don't

777
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,880
mean to undercut your score.
I think I'm going to give this a

778
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,320
7 out of 10 on value.
It's definitely premium, but I

779
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,240
don't think you could make like
an apples to apples comparison

780
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,120
to the Barrel Vantage just
because of the kind of product

781
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,880
it is.
Yeah.

782
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,320
No, I think that those are all
really good points, Bob.

783
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,760
I.
The way you were talking about

784
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,440
it, it sounded like, you know,
the enjoyment of a Fast and

785
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Furious movie versus the
enjoyment of like French cinema

786
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,880
from the 1950s.
Like there, there's definitely

787
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,320
something going on here that you
don't often get in the world of

788
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,760
whiskey.
And I think that's what they are

789
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120
selling for $160.00 is a a
really unique experience.

790
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,880
And I, I think that they
succeeded that.

791
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,520
I still think $160.00 is a lot
of freaking money.

792
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,560
I'll I was hovering at A7.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 on value.

793
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,240
Like I I think.
What they have to offer here is

794
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,160
worth it and I would encourage
people to buy it.

795
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720
But like the the.
Sticker shock is going to hit

796
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,120
differently for everyone and I
and I want people to know like

797
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,120
it.
It's OK if that hits you hard.

798
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,600
Yeah, 100%, man.
And I mean, I would say a pour

799
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960
of this is going to cost you 40
bucks.

800
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,520
Yep, but.
I think a pour of it's worth $40

801
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,000
too, Brad, Like, oh.
Yeah, you know what?

802
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,600
I mean like this is I because I
would put this up there. 28.

803
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Yeah, I've paid like. 28 to
$30.00 for a pour of like a

804
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,240
midwinter's night, Yeah.
So.

805
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,720
Like this is better than that.
I would say yeah, this is better

806
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,120
than that.
I would pay 40 bucks.

807
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,880
Yeah.
All right.

808
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,760
I'm coming out to a 43 out of
50.

809
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,440
Brad, what are you at?
A little bit higher.

810
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,480
I'm at a 44.5.
Out of 50 all.

811
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Right, and that takes us to a
43.75 on average, or an 87.5 out

812
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,680
of 100.
It's just slightly lower than

813
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,720
last week's Barrel Vantage,
although I rated it higher.

814
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,560
So, Brad, you were two full
points lower than last week.

815
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,880
Yeah, I just don't think I could
say one's better than the other.

816
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,640
They just serve two very
different functions, even as two

817
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,880
pricey whiskeys.
I mean, I think that my three

818
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,720
tasting scores might be the same
or like 1/2 point off.

819
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,800
I'm like right at a 37 out of 50
on both of them.

820
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600
And then it's the value score
that makes the difference.

821
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,800
So yeah, I mean, as far as like
drinking these whiskeys.

822
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,360
I.
Would drink that barrel vantage

823
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,680
anytime I want like classic
bourbon plus.

824
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Like like the better.
Version of classic bourbon that

825
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,440
I can get and if I want a unique
what just happened experience

826
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,800
I'm I'm going to come over here
to Bardstown bourbon company

827
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
all.
Right, we had two back-to-back

828
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,200
40 plus whiskeys.
Finally salvaging the season,

829
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Brad.
Yeah.

830
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,760
I would say after a season of of
decent whiskey, yeah, here we

831
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,760
are with two great ones in a
row, Bob.

832
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,200
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about Toy Story 3.

833
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,840
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

834
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,920
All right, everybody?
That was Bardstown Bourbon

835
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,400
Company.
Dude, the collaboration between

836
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,800
Amrut and Bardstown.
Come on.

837
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,160
So, like, it's a match made in
heaven.

838
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,840
So good.
Yeah.

839
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,200
I'm so thankful that they sent
us that.

840
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,680
I I just can't tell you enough.
Go get your hands on a bottle if

841
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,200
you are able to afford it.
It is a Well, it's a good use of

842
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,680
your resources.
I love it, man.

843
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,480
All right, dude, it's time for
us to get into our game for the

844
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,600
day.
And it's a game that we call 2

845
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,520
facts and a falsehood, Brad.
Is going to try to stump your

846
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,920
ball 2 All right and what is
wrong?

847
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,280
2 Facts and a falsehood.
Two Facts and a Falsehood is the

848
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,560
part of the show where Brad
presents me with three items as

849
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,760
fact about the making of this
movie, one of which is a

850
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,000
complete lie.
Brad, I am doing a pretty darn

851
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,640
good on the season right now.
I'm at 14 and 8:00.

852
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,720
I've got a little bit of cushion
here, a bit of wiggle room.

853
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,720
I need to get two more wins to
guarantee a 500 season.

854
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,120
And you know what?
I'm going to get it today.

855
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,720
You're you're going to get two
wins today.

856
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,560
I'm.
Calling it man, I'm calling my

857
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,640
shot.
That is quite impressive, the

858
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,720
rare.
Two point victory.

859
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,840
Is if there's a foul on the
play, you have a chance?

860
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,040
Yeah, exactly.
For another point, OK, all

861
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,640
right, fact number one in a knot
that Pixar's expansive universe.

862
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,720
Several characters from other
Pixar films make cameos In Toy

863
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,440
Story 3, for instance, the
iconic Pizza Planet truck can be

864
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,680
spotted in the background of
several scenes.

865
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,480
A small toy version of Nemo from
Finding Nemo is seen in Bonnie's

866
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,120
room, among her other toys.
And additionally, Boo from

867
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,440
Monsters Inc appears as a
kindergarten student in

868
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Sunnyside Daycare.
Fact #2 for big babies, One line

869
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,520
for the entire movie.
Mama.

870
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,480
The crew had just so many babies
audition by recording them

871
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,320
saying that one line.
The baby that was chosen was

872
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,400
named Woody.
Director Lee Unkrich joked that

873
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,880
the that was the reason why they
chose that baby.

874
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Fact #3 During the early
development stages of the movie,

875
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,000
when the people behind the film
sat down to look at their work

876
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,120
from the first Toy Story from
1995, they found that they could

877
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,640
not edit any of the old 3D
models because of the advances

878
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,040
in technology, and they rendered
the digital files containing the

879
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,320
models incompatible with newer
software.

880
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,200
As a result, everything had to
be recreated from scratch.

881
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:25,400
These are interesting man #1
I'm, I'm a little hesitant to

882
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,760
say is true because I know for
sure that I've seen the pizza

883
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,240
planet truck, you know, Lotso
and the gang are riding on the

884
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,680
back of it in the one scene.
And I know that in other movies

885
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,040
like monsters Inc, a, a little
Nemo shows up.

886
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,480
So there's always those Easter
eggs.

887
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,440
I just didn't see them.
And so I, I don't know if Brad

888
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,320
wrote them into this.
Number 2 sounds interesting too,

889
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,080
because like it is such a fake
sounding baby.

890
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,120
It sounds like a baby doll that
I, I struggle to believe that

891
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,360
they would try out that many
kids for it #3 sounds pretty

892
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,480
plausible.
And I think that if there's one

893
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,160
that that just immediately
sounds like it could be true,

894
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,360
I'm gonna put #3 there and set
that aside.

895
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,000
Number one is something that
Brad would make up if he was

896
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,160
trying to be really sneaky and
nitpicky, which you often do,

897
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,400
Brad.
You.

898
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Always put that on me, Bob.
I am not nitpicky.

899
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,880
I would say on average, there's
somebody else on this podcast

900
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,320
that is more NIT picky than I.
I'm not going to name that.

901
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,720
I don't know.
Who you're talking about, my

902
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,200
gut's telling me #2 My gut has
proven me wrong many times this

903
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,480
season.
But I just think that 2 sounds

904
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,760
like one you would make up, so
I'm going to say #2 is the

905
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,680
falsehood.
Bob, I don't know if you were

906
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,680
planning on getting two
victories by picking the wrong

907
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,880
answer, but that is what you've
done today.

908
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,320
Number one was the falsehood.
Yeah, see, I knew that some of

909
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,200
that stuff was present, but I'm
sure that if you looked up like

910
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,840
a list of all the Easter eggs
or, you know, appearances by

911
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,120
other Pixar characters, there's
probably a ton.

912
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,600
I just didn't see them.
As best as I could tell, the

913
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,280
Pizza Planet truck was the only
one.

914
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,640
OK.
Yeah, would have been cool to

915
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,880
see Boo as a kindergartener in
the in the class I.

916
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,520
Thought the same thing.
That's why I put it in there.

917
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,720
I was like, man, of all the
things, that feels like a really

918
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,400
easy one.
For sure.

919
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,440
All right, Brad, I guess it's
time for us to put our our

920
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,240
theology major philosophy hats
on for a minute.

921
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,800
I've been very excited to talk
about this movie today because

922
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,680
way back in 2011, 2012, when I
was first planning out what my

923
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,080
senior thesis was going to be
when we were at Malone, I

924
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,160
started thinking about movies,
obviously, and how I could tie

925
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,240
that to my theology major.
And the movie that immediately

926
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,360
stuck out to me was Toy Story 3,
because I think that this movie

927
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,280
really does articulate not I
don't want to say that this

928
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,200
movie has a Christian worldview,
but I think it really

929
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,040
effectively illustrates elements
of the Christian worldview over

930
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,200
against elements of what we
would, what we were then calling

931
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,360
like the anti theist worldview.
And that was like people like

932
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,720
Richard Dawkins and oh, who is
the really Christopher Hitchens

933
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,240
in England who were writing
books like the God Delusion.

934
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,160
There was a a huge kind of
groundswell movement of atheism

935
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,520
that wasn't simply atheism, but
was kind of like edge Lord

936
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,840
atheism in the early 2000 tens.
And I thought that a lot of what

937
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,680
I was reading in Dawkins was
coming out of the mouth of Lotso

938
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,040
and that a lot of what you were
seeing espoused by Woody and the

939
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,560
gang was, you know, they talk
about having a kid and serving a

940
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,640
kid and where's your kid now?
And they they keep saying kid in

941
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,600
this movie in a way that made me
think of like old King James

942
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,840
Bible where like you would
capitalize adjectives about God.

943
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,720
They talk about kids like their
capital K kids in this movie.

944
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,560
And I was just like, huh, that's
an interesting lens.

945
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,800
And then the more you start
thinking about this movie as if

946
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,920
it is some sort of theological
argument, the more it all really

947
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,240
does fall into place.
Brad.

948
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:10,240
Yeah, there's so much going on
here to I, I liked your use of

949
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,840
the word telos earlier.
That that we all have this

950
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,320
ultimate purpose and that that
ultimate purpose is to be of use

951
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,920
in the way that we were made to
be useful.

952
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760
Does I, does that make sense?
Absolutely.

953
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Like, you know, it's, it's kind
of like a fork is that it's most

954
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,960
forkiness when it is being used
to pick up delicious food.

955
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,640
Are you aware that there is a
character in the 4th movie

956
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,640
called Forky?
It's it's yeah, it's actually

957
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,280
really, it's probably my
favorite part of the movie.

958
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,920
They it's like a little spork
that a kid has has like tied a

959
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,160
pipe cleaner around and put
little googly eyes on.

960
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,680
And then it comes to life and
the whole movie it's wondering

961
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,040
like why did I?
Why am I alive?

962
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,640
How did this happen?
Like what am I?

963
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,320
What do I mean?
It's I was.

964
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,560
I was just a fork and now I'm a.
I'm a I'm a breathing entity

965
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:04,200
like.
What is this?

966
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,400
Dude, that.
I mean, that even takes your

967
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,120
metaphor further, that a kid has
creative powers, yes.

968
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,360
That's what I'm saying.
That's really funny.

969
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,440
No, I did not know that there
was a character named Forky in

970
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,240
the in the fourth movie.
I didn't mean to to sidetrack

971
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,440
you.
Please finish your point now.

972
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,840
Oh.
No, I, I just think that there

973
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:33,360
is a really important essence of
humans examining why they were

974
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,560
put here on Earth and finding
meaning in that.

975
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,360
And you know, I've, I've been
reading, it's kind of coincides

976
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,280
perfectly.
I've been reading Viktor

977
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,000
Frankel's Man's Search for
Meaning, which is kind of his

978
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,000
introduction to laga therapy,
which is essentially that humans

979
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,280
are going to thrive when they
have found their sense of

980
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,920
meaning in the world.
And the the fascinating thing

981
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,600
is, you know, Frankel is a a
Jewish writer, but his

982
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:13,360
conclusion is that man's purpose
is not a humanity wide one.

983
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,280
Size fits all solution.
That fits everyone.

984
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,160
He would argue that everyone has
a different purpose for their

985
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,040
life and it it probably will
look the same as other people,

986
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:30,000
but it will be manifested in so
many vastly different ways that

987
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,560
it is as endlessly unique and
creative as the human race

988
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,720
itself.
And I think that there is

989
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:41,360
something to that, that I really
like that we were all built to

990
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,120
be something to worship,
something to be a part of a, a

991
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,560
type of community.
And that's going to look

992
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,480
different for all of the
different humans across this

993
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,240
planet.
But man, like you kind of know,

994
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:00,880
you can tell when somebody is
living into their purpose for

995
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,400
what they were created to do
here on this planet.

996
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,760
And you can really tell when
they're not.

997
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Well, I think it's a great segue
into talking a little bit more

998
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,120
about about how this.
I think this really does reflect

999
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,760
this idea of kind of the, the
deification of the kids, like

1000
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,080
they make the kids into almost
deities in this movie.

1001
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,480
And we talked about this a
little bit in the first half,

1002
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,320
but Brad, I wrote down some
thoughts.

1003
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,640
So I mean, I guess I'll just
kind of read what I wrote down.

1004
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,400
You can tell I wrote it 'cause
it's, it's much more lurid

1005
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,840
writing, yes, much more polished
than what I say out loud.

1006
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,000
But basically I think that the
third movie really deepens the

1007
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,240
mythos of what the kid is to the
toy and how the toys interact

1008
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,880
with and and kind of derive
meaning from the kid.

1009
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,800
So the film portrays the kid as
central to a toy's existence,

1010
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,800
almost like a deity that bestows
purpose and meaning.

1011
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,360
The toy's sense of fulfilment
and joy when they are played

1012
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,200
with by a child contrasts with
their desolation and aimlessness

1013
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880
when they're neglected or
abandoned, which is what we see

1014
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,360
in the opening part of this
movie when they think they're

1015
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,600
going to be sent to the attic.
And I think that, like you, you

1016
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,600
understand that inherently that
like the toys want to be played

1017
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,920
with because that's like their
purpose is to be played with.

1018
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,400
But it's not until as the movie
goes on that they start talking

1019
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,200
about like, we can't just be
played with by any kid either.

1020
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,000
We have to be played with by our
kid.

1021
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,520
And I think it's really
interesting.

1022
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,920
You can get into a ton of
different mythological

1023
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,000
theological debates about like,
all right, if the kid is their

1024
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,920
God, then like, are there
multiple gods?

1025
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,200
Are there false gods?
Like, what's going on in the

1026
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,720
world of this movie?
I'm just wondering, Brad, did

1027
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,480
you pick up on the way that they
kind of deify the kids?

1028
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:50,960
100% And there is this element
of Woody being the lone prophet

1029
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:56,240
speaking sense in a wasteland of
of common sense.

1030
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,120
And you see the rest of Andy's
toys kind of say like, well, no,

1031
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680
the the purpose of toys is to be
played with.

1032
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,360
It doesn't matter by whom, you
know, it's OK if it's by a bunch

1033
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,640
of kids at daycare.
The the worst thing for them is

1034
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,160
the idea of rotting away in the
attic or rotting away in, you

1035
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,520
know, the dumpster being being
thrown away.

1036
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:25,680
And yet Woody, I don't know, he
he almost has this this belief

1037
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,120
that it's better to be waiting
in the attic for your owner to

1038
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,200
return to you than to be played
with by some other kid or kids.

1039
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,760
And.
I, I don't know, it's a, it's a

1040
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,560
strong, it's a strong point to
take because if you are looking

1041
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,320
at it from a utilitarian
standpoint, it would make more

1042
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,000
sense to say, yeah, it doesn't
matter who or how many.

1043
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Like the important thing is that
a toy is being played with.

1044
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,040
Absolutely.
But I, I think that that's where

1045
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,480
the, the argument for like the
kids as God, it's not a direct

1046
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,080
like 1 to one.
This is not like the Christian

1047
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,680
God, right?
Like there are many kids and

1048
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,160
some of the kids are considered
like false gods or false

1049
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,600
prophets.
Like we can't serve that master.

1050
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,000
We can only serve this one.
And so it.

1051
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,240
Almost feels more like a Greek
mythology where like Sid is like

1052
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,960
this evil God of death and
destruction.

1053
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,120
Or like, almost like like in the
Old Testament where you get this

1054
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,160
idea of like the counsel of gods
where God talks in wheeze.

1055
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,280
And it's, it's really
interesting.

1056
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,720
I, I mean, I again, I have no
idea if the screenwriters of

1057
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,560
this movie, including Michael
Arndt, who's a fantastic

1058
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,160
screenwriter.
He won an Oscar for Little Miss

1059
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,960
Sunshine and then they brought
him on to help write this movie.

1060
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,720
I don't know if they were, I'm
sure they were intentionally

1061
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,960
doing most of this.
I don't know if they were like,

1062
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,320
how do we tell the story of the
Christian gospel under the guise

1063
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,120
of a Disney movie?
Like it?

1064
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,040
There's the metaphors are there?
It's not a direct allegory, you

1065
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:00,160
know, But I think you, you most
understand the deification of

1066
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,600
the kid when you get Lotso's big
soliloquy at the end of the

1067
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,040
movie about we're all plastic,
we're all made to be thrown

1068
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,080
away, we're disposable.
There's 100 million of us.

1069
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,760
We're destined to be trash.
But even earlier in the movie,

1070
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,480
he introduces this idea of like,
welcome to Sunnyside.

1071
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,840
You have no owner here.
No owner means no heartbreak.

1072
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,200
And he paints it as this like
utopian world of autonomy.

1073
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,360
Like, we can be masters of our
own fate.

1074
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,840
We control our own destiny.
But even that is like a ruse.

1075
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,160
There is no such thing as
complete autonomy.

1076
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,720
You're still under a power
structure and that power

1077
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,280
structure is way more coercive
than any anything they

1078
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,880
experienced being with a kid.
And so I think that they're

1079
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,760
definitely trying to get that
point across here that like, you

1080
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,600
have to serve something as a
person, as a toy, whatever.

1081
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,320
And it is a lie.
And it is a myth to think that

1082
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,240
you can get through life only
serving yourself.

1083
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,000
And if you try to, you get
strapped to the front of a

1084
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,600
garbage truck for all eternity
at the end, at the end of the

1085
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:03,960
movie.
Yeah.

1086
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,360
Well, and it also sets up this
idea that when humans try to

1087
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,080
take the place of God, chaos
ensues, right?

1088
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,760
Like that's, that's the whole
mythos of the the tower of Babel

1089
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,960
story, right?
Humans try to take the place of

1090
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,120
God and chaos ensues as they
they try to ascend to a place

1091
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,680
that they are not built for.
And when you look at Lotso that

1092
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,320
like he tries to become a kid
where he is in full control of

1093
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,840
all the toys around him.
And it works for a little while.

1094
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,000
But yeah, I mean, you see, at
the very end, he he becomes so

1095
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,080
unhinged that even his most
loyal followers are like, Dang,

1096
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,200
I I don't know about this guy.
All right, Brad, before we get

1097
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,640
off of this topic, 'cause I, I
mean, this is where I live,

1098
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,040
dude.
This is like the most exciting

1099
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,640
thing for me to talk about
filming Whiskey.

1100
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,080
Listeners are probably already
tuned out, but I'm like, let's

1101
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,080
do it.
Let's keep going.

1102
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,120
Theological Baby.
The.

1103
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,160
Idea of Woody and Buzz's
character arcs across the

1104
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,640
trilogy.
And This is why I think the

1105
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:11,440
trilogy is so, so cool because
they never discard anything that

1106
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,760
happened in the first two
movies, but they find ways to

1107
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,160
not just reframe it, but to
completely deepen the meaning of

1108
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,520
every single thing.
I think the 2nd movie deepens

1109
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,800
the 1st movie, and then the
third film deepens it even more

1110
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,120
because in the first movie,
Woody's arc is basically just

1111
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,160
like, I am selfish and I have to
learn how to be unselfish.

1112
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,960
And he becomes a leader and he
understands what community is.

1113
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,360
And in the second movie, you
find him facing these questions

1114
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,560
of like, I don't know, his own
limitations, his own finitude.

1115
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,280
How long can I actually be
useful as a toy?

1116
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,920
And what does it mean to serve
this kid to the best of my

1117
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,240
ability?
And by the end of that movie,

1118
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,480
he's, you know, quote UN quote,
like a true believer, right?

1119
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,120
But that's that's what sets
Woody up to be this kind of last

1120
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,840
bastion of loyally following
whatever Andy wants them to do.

1121
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,960
And Buzz's character I think is
really interesting too, because

1122
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,640
in the first movie, you get him
having this like, I guess I

1123
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,400
would call it like a conversion
experience.

1124
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,920
Like he realizes he is a toy.
He is not this mythological

1125
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,520
thing.
He is like a piece of plastic.

1126
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,000
And it's not till he's laid low
and starts to accept this like

1127
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,560
reframed reality that he's
accepted into the community of

1128
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,520
toys.
And in the second movie, you

1129
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,360
find him encountering this other
Buzz Lightyear doll in the toy

1130
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,400
store that is like as delusional
as he was.

1131
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,120
And seeing that delusion, being
confronted with who he used to

1132
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,880
be makes him reaffirm who he is
now.

1133
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Like, it's, it's very clearly
like this conversion experience.

1134
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,440
And by the third movie, I think
what's really interesting is

1135
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,560
Buzzed himself gets reset and he
gets reset into this like

1136
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,520
programmed autonomous kind of
mindset, but he's reprogrammed

1137
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,760
by Lotso.
Like it's, it's Lotso's teaching

1138
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,880
and it's Lotso's force of will
that takes Buzz out of what he

1139
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,680
already knew and and resets him.
And it's not, again, it's not

1140
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,880
until he comes back into
understanding who he is and what

1141
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,800
his purpose is for that, that he
becomes the hero that we know

1142
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,200
him to be by the end of the
movie.

1143
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,800
I just think that like, the more
you look at the arcs that happen

1144
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,160
across these three movies, I
just love this movie so much.

1145
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,840
And that leads me, Brad, to just
30 seconds of crapping on Toy

1146
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,680
Story 4, a film that you have
not seen.

1147
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,360
And I, I don't want to spoil the
ending of this movie too much,

1148
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:43,040
but suffice it to say this movie
was one of the last ones made at

1149
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,040
Pixar with the old regime there,
your John Lasseters, your Lee

1150
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,160
Unkrich's John Lasseter.
Famously, it's subject of a

1151
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,280
scandal that comes out a few
years after this that details

1152
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,840
that he had inappropriate
workplace contact with a number

1153
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,840
of female employees.
I do not condone a single thing

1154
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,240
that man did in term.
And, and, you know, I'm just

1155
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,960
saying, but like, I also think
that when you get to Toy Story

1156
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,200
4, they've hired a completely
new team of writers, and those

1157
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,840
writers have a completely
different lens through which

1158
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,200
they're looking at the Toy Story
universe.

1159
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,280
What?
I What I feel about the Toy

1160
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,840
Story universe is what I suspect
you're gonna feel like when we

1161
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,320
get to the Star Wars prequels
here in just a couple weeks,

1162
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,960
Brad.
Because they the the direction

1163
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,880
of Woody's character in the 4th
movie completely undermines

1164
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,440
everything that Woody has been
known to be and to do and to

1165
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,720
espouse in the 1st 3 movies.
And it suggests that you know

1166
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,440
that you made a point earlier,
Brad.

1167
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,440
This trilogy has such a perfect
arc and ending.

1168
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,480
Whether you agree with it or
not, it is a perfectly

1169
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,160
constructed arc for a trilogy.
It might be the best trilogy

1170
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,560
ever made in that regard.
And I think that when there's

1171
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,120
nowhere else to go, then what
you start to do as a writing

1172
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
team is to argue that, well, the
undoing of it might be

1173
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,440
interesting.
And so that's what they do in

1174
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,320
Toy Story Four.
They just undo it.

1175
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,600
And it completely craps on all
three of the first three movies.

1176
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,440
And it, you know, it's like,
Lotso wins.

1177
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,280
That's what bothers me.
Toy Story 4 is like Lotso's

1178
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,920
revenge.
Ned Beatty does not deserve to

1179
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,840
win.
Yeah, I mean, the the ending of

1180
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:33,200
this film is, is pitch perfect.
Like, it feels like it on the

1181
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,880
surface.
It feels like it could be over

1182
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,400
the top and like, kind of sappy
and sentimental.

1183
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,600
But then you actually sit down
and watch the film and it is so

1184
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:47,880
deserved this idea that there's
the transition of ownership from

1185
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,840
Andy to Bonnie.
And it's it's cemented by the

1186
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,440
act of playing together.
And that there's this like

1187
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,160
beautiful element of what I said
earlier that like, what makes a

1188
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,640
toy special is the fact that
it's played with and chosen by a

1189
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,080
kid.
And so when one kid chooses to

1190
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:16,040
hand over the sacred bond of of
toy and kid to another kid,

1191
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,960
that's what allows it to move
on.

1192
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,000
That's what keeps things going
in the world.

1193
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,880
I mean really the Toy Story 1-2
and three is just a big trilogy

1194
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,319
supporting garage sales I think.
Really propping up that

1195
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,560
industry, man it.
Sure is, man.

1196
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,880
So yeah, it's just such a
beautiful ending though it.

1197
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,560
Really is.
And I think that, you know,

1198
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,800
listeners of our show who know
that you and I are Christians,

1199
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,520
they're probably rolling their
eyes right now and they're

1200
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,880
thinking like we are really
influenced by our own worldview.

1201
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,399
And we're reading that on to the
movie.

1202
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,439
I would argue that like
everyone's worldview tilts them

1203
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,520
to finding their own worldview
when it's there.

1204
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,200
Yeah, You know what I mean?
And and so at the end of the

1205
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,040
day, I.
I like my worldview.

1206
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,160
Bob Well, I'm gonna say it's
probably happening to some

1207
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,040
extent, but like, you and I know
enough about like the Hindu

1208
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,640
faith and Islam and all these
other faiths that like, if a

1209
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,240
movie is basically following the
steps of the story of those

1210
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,120
faiths, I think I'm a smart
enough person that I could pick

1211
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,279
up on it.
And Toy Story 3 is not exactly

1212
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,479
hiding its philosophical
influences here.

1213
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,600
Like just 'cause I'm reciting
them doesn't mean I'm reading

1214
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,840
them into the movie.
However, where I think this

1215
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,960
movie is truly brilliant, Brad,
is that if you want to take that

1216
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,479
reading of the movie, which I
would consider like the third

1217
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,520
level down from the surface
reading, you can.

1218
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,240
If you just want to stop at this
movie as a beautiful metaphor

1219
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,960
for parenthood, I think you can.
It like Andy completes his

1220
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,680
mission, but Buzz and Woody as
the kind of quote UN quote

1221
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,760
overseers or parents of Woody or
of Andy, they complete their

1222
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,720
mission too.
They watch him go off and

1223
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,560
they've done their duty.
You know what I mean?

1224
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,160
Like it's it's a great arc of
parenthood.

1225
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,400
I also just think that like,
hey, we were 20 years old when

1226
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,120
this movie came out or turning
20.

1227
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,880
This movie was like directed at
people like you and me.

1228
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,520
And I'll tell you what, dude,
like I was, you know, I was

1229
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,760
going to my third or fourth year
of college at this point.

1230
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,720
And we went and saw it as a, the
university rented out a theater

1231
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,920
of like, you know, an 800 seat
theater downtown Canton.

1232
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,800
And we all went and saw this
movie for free.

1233
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,000
And like, not a dry eye in the
house because guess what?

1234
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,480
We were all entering early
adulthood.

1235
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:30,320
We were all at college, but we'd
also grown up with the Toy Story

1236
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,600
movies.
It's a fantastic coming of age

1237
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,280
movie.
Like it just works on so many

1238
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,400
levels and I think that's why it
probably is the best of the

1239
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,960
three, Brad.
Yeah, I, I was gonna say, I

1240
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,200
think the most surface level
reading of this movie is the

1241
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,520
story is complete.
But like, if you take away

1242
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,560
nothing else from this film
other than awe, I really liked

1243
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,440
Woody and Buzz and now their
story is finished.

1244
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,640
Like, I think that that's a
great reading of this film.

1245
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:06,440
And 100%, dude, we would have
been probably like 4-8 and 19

1246
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,080
when these movies came out.
Like, these movies were made for

1247
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:11,880
us, Bob.
Yes.

1248
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,400
And, and I think that they
reflect the psychological level

1249
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:23,000
of development for each of those
age groups incredibly well.

1250
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,200
Yeah.
I mean, I think that like a A5

1251
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,360
year old, someone who was five
when this movie came out,

1252
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,600
probably doesn't love this movie
as much as you.

1253
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,480
And I love this movie because
there's just there's an element

1254
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,200
of it came out at the time in my
life when I most needed this

1255
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,160
movie.
And there's a lot to say for

1256
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,560
that.
Brad, listen, we've run a little

1257
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,480
bit long today.
I think it's time for us to get

1258
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:48,120
into our last segment, which we
call let's make it a double

1259
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:50,560
we're.
Near the end of the episode.

1260
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,960
So thanks for listening to the
film and Whiskey show.

1261
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,520
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1262
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,400
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1263
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,960
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a double is the

1264
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:03,080
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1265
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,760
to make the perfect double
feature?

1266
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,240
Brad, are you going Despicable
Me?

1267
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,480
What are what are we doing here?
No, I I've already experienced

1268
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:15,720
that as a double feature, and
while it was a great one, I am

1269
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:21,600
actually gonna pair this with
2014's Big Hero 6.

1270
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,600
A movie that I've never seen.
I don't know, whatever.

1271
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,440
I I am able to watch that movie
at any time.

1272
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,480
I have a Disney Plus
subscription, but like for some

1273
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,520
reason I just, I've never gotten
around to it.

1274
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,520
I've always heard great things.
Yeah, you should get around to

1275
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,880
it.
I think.

1276
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,640
I'm not gonna spoil anything.
I think that thematically, there

1277
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:47,400
are similar themes of searching
for your meaning in a world

1278
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,680
suddenly devoid of it, and I
think it'd be a great pairing.

1279
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,480
So Bob, you need to go watch Big
Hero 6.

1280
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,360
I think I will, Brad.
My Let's Make It a Double is

1281
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,680
going to be kind of in the Brad
G vein.

1282
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,120
You did this one time where you
paired it up with either a song

1283
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,480
or ATV show.
And I was like, I didn't know we

1284
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:09,680
could do that.
And I'm going to do it today,

1285
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,800
Brad, because I wanted to have
an opportunity to talk about my

1286
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,560
favorite TV show right now.
And it's a show called Bluey,

1287
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,560
which I don't know if you guys
have gotten into the Bluey phase

1288
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,360
yet.
Brad, have you?

1289
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,200
No, we, we watched a little bit
of Daniel Tiger and that's,

1290
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,080
that's about it, dude.
Bluey is the best show on

1291
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,440
television and it is like the
the episodes are 6 minutes long.

1292
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,480
And a big fan of that.
And it is like.

1293
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:38,400
They tap into the Pixar level of
like, this is for kids, but it's

1294
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,280
also for their parents.
And we're going to get into some

1295
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,800
really deep stuff in every one
of these episodes.

1296
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,160
And the hit rate on Making Bob
Cry is about one in every three

1297
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,200
episodes.
Yeah, my my friend Jordan is in

1298
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,000
a similar place.
I can't tell you how often he

1299
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,040
talks about Bluey.
Yeah dude, I think part of me is

1300
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,080
like anti Bluey just for the
fact that everybody's all about

1301
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,080
it.
Like I I didn't watch Stranger

1302
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,600
Things until it had been out for
like 6 years and I finally sat

1303
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,480
down and was like yeah that's a
pretty.

1304
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,480
Good show.
See, I think for me it's more

1305
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:12,840
like the Hamilton of children's
programming where for like 5

1306
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,280
years I was like, Oh my gosh,
this freaking thing.

1307
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,360
And then I watched it and I was
like, oh, this is the most

1308
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,880
exciting work of art to come out
of America in 10 years, you

1309
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,480
know?
So I I believe it comes out of

1310
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:25,440
Australia, Bob.
Well, Bluey does, sure.

1311
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,320
OK, the.
Episode of Bluey that I would

1312
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,200
pair this up with is one called
Flat Pack.

1313
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,120
And the plot of the episode is
basically like Bluey's parents

1314
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,800
are building something from like
IKEA and they're throwing out

1315
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,240
all the foam and stuff as
they're unpacking and the kids

1316
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,040
are playing with it.
And as the kids play with it,

1317
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,320
they're basically, they're
basically enacting like a whole

1318
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,720
life cycle.
One of them is pretending to be

1319
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,560
a baby and they're, they're
playing in a, you know,

1320
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:53,920
whatever.
And then they're then they're a

1321
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,320
teenager and then they're an
adult.

1322
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,640
And it basically acts out for
you.

1323
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,920
The entire span of parenthood
played out through these kids

1324
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,800
play.
And it ends with this moment

1325
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,200
where they're like, I don't know
how they get to this point, but

1326
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,360
they're like on a boat or
something.

1327
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Like they're pretending to be on
a boat and they cast the, the

1328
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,520
kid away and say goodbye, like
take care.

1329
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,440
And then the one who's
pretending to be a parent comes

1330
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:21,200
up on the porch for the parents
have built this porch swing out

1331
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,000
of all these materials and sits
down with them and just says,

1332
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,320
like, you know, now what do we
do?

1333
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,320
And, and it, it's like this
beautiful heavenly sunset.

1334
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,160
And the dad just kicks back and
says, like, this is heaven.

1335
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,840
And it's like this incredible
metaphor for like life and death

1336
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,080
and entering the afterlife and
being a parent.

1337
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,600
And it's just like, it blows my
mind how they can fit this into

1338
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,160
6 minutes.
And if it's not the closest

1339
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,440
thing to Toy Story 3
thematically that I've ever

1340
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,400
seen, Brad, you can knock out
this.

1341
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,000
Let's make it a double in an
hour and 36 minutes.

1342
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,840
And I think that's the best we
can do time wise.

1343
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,400
That is a hell of a let's make
it a double Bob.

1344
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,320
I'm going to send you the link
to it.

1345
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,440
You need to watch that one.
Is it free to watch it?

1346
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:08,480
Will be when I give you my login
to Disney Plus.

1347
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:09,800
Oh.
Heck yeah, dude.

1348
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,800
All right, so that's it for
Let's make it a double.

1349
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,360
We've paired it up with Big Hero
6 and Flat Pack, an episode of

1350
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,240
Bluey Brad, I've talked way too
much this episode, but I love

1351
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,520
this movie.
I'm with you in that I don't

1352
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,400
think it's perfect.
I think it hit some spots in the

1353
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,320
middle where it's either being
too goofy with no purpose or

1354
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,480
it's too adult friendly and it
would probably be boring a kid

1355
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:35,560
for a little bit.
But it lands the plane so well

1356
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,840
by the end of it.
And I also love the the

1357
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,000
jailbreak parts we didn't even
talk about like the the heist

1358
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,320
movie elements in the middle of
it, which I think are really

1359
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,680
well done.
This is a 9 1/2 for me.

1360
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,040
I can't make it a 10.
But I also don't know if there's

1361
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,680
a Pixar movie that I want to
talk about as much as this one,

1362
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,400
and I think that that says
something.

1363
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:59,160
It's a 9.5 for me.
I think that this is like an 8

1364
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:06,160
to 8 1/2 film for me and it's a
10 out of 10 landing the plane

1365
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,280
for the The Toy Story trilogy.
So I I'm kind of in a similar

1366
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,560
place.
I think I'm going to give it a

1367
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,760
nine out of 10, Bob.
Just yesterday I was meaning to

1368
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,840
watch this movie and my kid, my
older son, was like, I don't

1369
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,640
like Lotso, I don't want to
watch that movie.

1370
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,560
And so instead he wanted to
watch Inside Out.

1371
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,280
And Inside Out suffers from
exactly what this movie suffers

1372
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,480
from, but I think it suffers on
a much bigger scale.

1373
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,480
Like it the middle of Inside
Out.

1374
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,680
It really drags.
So then I got around to watching

1375
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,000
this last night and I think
that's what boosted my score.

1376
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,720
I'm I'm kind of in the same
place as you, Brad, but this one

1377
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,520
works a little bit better than
that one does.

1378
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,480
We're coming out to a 9.25 out
of 10 on average.

1379
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,360
But we want to know what you
think.

1380
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,440
Is Toy Story 3 the best of the
Toy Story films or are we off

1381
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:55,000
our rocker?
You can find us to debate with

1382
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,320
us at any of our social medias,
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

1383
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,280
TikTok and YouTube at Film
Whiskey.

1384
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,880
Or you can join the discord, We
are on there every single day

1385
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,960
talking to you guys, fans of the
Film and Whiskey podcast.

1386
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,480
You can find a link to our
Discord at the end of every

1387
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:15,600
single one of our show notes.
I want to announce the winner of

1388
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,080
our listener pick because next
week is a listener pick.

1389
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,320
I don't think I will.
I think the best way to do it,

1390
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,600
Brad, is to make people keep
guessing what it's going to be

1391
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,800
and then just drop the episode
next week.

1392
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,160
Yes, I am very, very excited for
this, Bob.

1393
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,200
All right, so join us next week
for 2011, a God awful year for

1394
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,880
film.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1395
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,040
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.