To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) / Tullamore DEW Irish Whiskey

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In 1962, director Robert
Mulligan and star Gregory Peck

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gave the world a book adaptation
that sought to capture the heart

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of a man dedicated to justice
for all.

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In 2024, we returned to a budget
favorite from Ireland.

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The film is To Kill a
Mockingbird.

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The whiskey is Tullamore Dew.
And more.

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Review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week, we are revisiting

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the 1962 classic To Kill a
Mockingbird.

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Brad, this has been one that I'm
really excited to go back to.

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And folks, by the way, if this
is your first time joining us,

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welcome into film and Whiskey.
This season, we are revisiting

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all the films that we looked at
in season #1 for our 10th season

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anniversary.
It's been a really fun exercise

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so far.
This is, I believe, episode 9 of

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Season 1 or of Season 10 rather.
Brad, as I recall, our recording

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process from season #1 what we
would do is we would kind of sit

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in a room.
We get together once a month and

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we would knock out four episodes
in succession.

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And it would take us like a full
8 hour day to do it.

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So this would have been our
third recording.

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And I remember this was the one
where we went to your friend

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Eric's house and recorded 4
episodes in his living room.

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Oh yeah.
As well as a bonus episode with

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Have a Shot of Freedom.
So we we recorded quite a few

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episodes of This Day Man.
Yeah, and the audio quality of

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those episodes reflects that.
It was echoey and we were

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getting a little schwasty
because we were drinking a lot

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of whiskey.
What a great time.

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I remember, I'm, I'm sure I've
shared this before, but that was

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the day that I had just had my
wisdom teeth out about a week

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before and the like.
The pockets were still healing

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and it was the first time that I
felt comfortable eating solid

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food.
And we got pizza and a Shard of

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pizza crust went right down into
one of those pockets and I blood

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everywhere.
And then we had to go record

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some more and drink.
Whiskey it was dude, the

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dedication that you have shown.
Since the beginning.

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Life and limb on the line, my
friend.

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Life and tooth, at least.
Well, the film and whiskey

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audience thanks you for the
sacrifice of your gums, Robert.

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Yeah, man, listen, this, you
have to protect this voice and

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all of its, you know,
attenuating things.

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Yeah, as much as you can.
So let's not do that again is

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what I'm saying.
Yeah, I am well over the days

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where we recorded for 8 hours
straight.

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Me too.
All right, man, let's turn our

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attention to To Kill a
Mockingbird.

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A true American classic if ever
there was one.

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This is, I think, ranked #25 on
the more recent AFI Top 100.

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It is a beloved movie.
Atticus Finch was named the

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greatest hero in American movie
history by the American Film

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Institute.
So we have a lot to kind of live

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up to here, Brad.
And, you know, I did not go back

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and listen to our Season 1
review.

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Sometimes I'll go back and
listen to the whole thing just

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so that I I try not to repeat
myself.

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Sometimes I'll go back and just
see what I generally thought of

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the movie and then turn it off.
And then there's days like today

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where I just have not had time
to go back and listen.

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So maybe I'll completely repeat
myself, but I'm more interested

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in your impressions of the film
nine seasons on, from the first

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time you watched it.
Now remind me again, was season

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one the first time you saw the
film?

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I think it was.
I know that I read the book, you

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know, back in 9th grade, 10th
grade, whenever.

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I don't think I ever actually
saw the film until Season 1, but

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Season 1 has been so long ago
that I I can't remember well.

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Hopefully you remember.
Have you seen the movie since

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then?
I have not.

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OK, so we're going to just go
out on a limb and say that this

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is watch #2 for you.
Sure.

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And yeah, that's a fair a fair
guess given my history of the

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movie.
Going to say, if I was a betting

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man, this seems like a safe bet
to me.

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Now before we get into, Brad
explains, I do want to kind of

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get your general impressions of
the film.

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Don't spoil too much of what you
think, but like, is it what you

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remembered it to be?
Did you find it a more rich

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experience this time?
Was it significantly worse than

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the last time?
Where you at on this one?

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I, I feel like I remember the
first time through we both were

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like, this is a decently average
film with one of the best

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courtroom sequences we've ever
seen.

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And the second time through, I
think that I'm kind of in a

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similar place, but I would say
this is a average to below

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average film with a one of the
best courtroom scenes I've ever

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experienced.
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OK, so that whole thing about
hey, don't get into your spicy

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takes, let's bury the lead.
That did not.

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That didn't take, apparently.
I I mean I I guess not.

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All right, well, Brad thinks
this is an average to below

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average film.
There's your headline for today,

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and in order to justify that
claim, I need to hear what Brad

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thought the movie was about.
And that means it's time for,

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Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen for the second time.
Now Brad, we are going to spoil

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this movie.
So if you have not read the book

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or seen the film, I almost said
American Sniper, To Kill a

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Mockingbird.
I, I don't know, I was just

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thinking about shooting birds,
you know, snipers.

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I.
Don't know.

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Yeah, basically the same movie
you.

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Know To Kill a Mockingbird.
You should probably go do that

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and then rejoin us for the rest
of.

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The A dog A dog is assaulted in
both movies.

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True.
Yeah, All right, man, You have

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60 seconds on the clock.
Spoil this film and go.

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To Kill a Mockingbird is a film
about Atticus Finch as seen

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through the eyes of his
daughter, Scout Finch.

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She and her brother Jem are
living in the Depression era

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Deep South in Macum, Alabama,
and they watch as their father

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Atticus attempts to defend a
black man who is on trial for

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the rape and assault of a young
white woman in the town.

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Throughout the film, they
experienced different elements

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of difficulty.
They're tried to be taught by

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their father the values of
decency and respect for all

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people, and they witness the
unjust guilty verdict of the man

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that Atticus is defending.
And somehow, Boo Radley plays

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into it all.
Yeah, somehow this is a good

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starting point, Brad, because I
want to talk about where I think

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the film really succeed.
Not even the film.

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Let's talk about the story.
So you know the book by Harper

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Lee, you and I have both read
it.

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It's it's a classic.
It's a Pulitzer Prize winning

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book that is since become like a
lightning rod of controversy in

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the last 1015 years.
Again, there are a lot of

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schools that have re banned this
book and it's really funny

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because of, you know, originally
the book was banned in a lot of

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places because those places were
still very segregated and

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racist.
And now they want to ban the

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book because it includes the N
word.

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So we've come around to the
complete opposite side of the

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spectrum and we're banning the
book ironically for using racist

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language in its anti racist
narrative.

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But that's beside the point.
Let's talk about the narrative

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of the film itself.
I feel like this is at the same

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time a story that feels very
meandering and unfocused, and

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yet every metaphor or theme that
is set up gets a payoff later in

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the movie.
So I can't decide if it's like

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really brilliant or really
unfocused.

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And I kind of feel like it's
both.

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I feel like it's the latter,
Bob.

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Now here's the thing, the film
and the book, the story is told

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through the lens of a unreliable
narrator, right?

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Like we're talking about a 6-7
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I think she is supposed to be at
like as our viewpoint, which

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necessitates the reality that
the view we get on all these

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situations is very simple and
black and white.

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And because of that we also get
what a six year old would be

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interested in.
And so a lot of the movie is

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focused on like, these small
experiences of a child, which

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underplay the narrative of a man
being unjustly tried for murder.

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And I think that the difference
between those two prerogatives

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is like such a huge gap that I
really wish they had just chosen

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one or the other to stick with
and make a movie about that.

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I just found myself this time
through being very bored because

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the movie didn't seem to be
going anywhere specific.

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I don't disagree with you, and
yet I'm going to to play devil's

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advocate.
So let's put a pin in that for a

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second 'cause I do want to come
back to that.

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And I think my overarching point
is that this narrative,

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including the script for this
movie, which wins an Academy

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Award, is better on paper than
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I just think that like, you can
see the themes more clearly.

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You can see the Chekhov's guns
and the pay offs way more

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clearly when someone's
explaining it to you or when

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you're reading it then when
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Because in the film, everything
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And I think that's kind of gets
to your point of like, some of

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these things seem way weightier
than the other things.

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Why are we spending an equal
amount of time on both of them?

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But I really do like how every
character that's set up gets a

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payoff.
Like the guy who is who has the

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entailment to Atticus Finch
that's bringing him like the

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chestnuts or whatever, and then
she beats up his son.

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But then they have a son over to
dinner.

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And then that pays off later in
the movie when he arrives with

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the angry mob and her appealing
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His own indebtedness to her dad
and to being friends with her

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son kind of gets Tom Robinson
and Atticus out of some trouble.

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I like that.
The whole thing about Tom

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Robinson not being able to use
his left hand so that he

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couldn't be beating on Maela
Yule's right side of her face

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actually comes back later in the
movie when Jem is attacked at

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the end of the film and you see
him laying in bed and his right

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eye is bruised.
And so then when the sheriff

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walks in and sees which eye on
Gem is beat up, they don't even

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have to say anything.
It clicks with both of them that

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this guy was attacked by Bob
Ewell.

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Like it?
I really like those little

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moments throughout the film.
I just want to be clear.

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Robert E Lee Ewell.
Yes, yeah, yeah.

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If we weren't clear about what
this man represents.

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The greatest thing about that
name Brad is that he has 2

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middle names, one of which is a
last name and the other of which

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is just the letter E Yes, his
first middle name is E.

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Yes, his second middle name,
Lee.

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It's incredible.
To be clear, it is not

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incredible.
The the naming convention is

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very funny.
It it really is.

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So yeah, I I think that there
are a lot of things in the

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script that pay themselves off
really well, and they do them in

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very subtle ways sometimes.
And I want to give that credit.

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However, in the course of
watching this movie, the 1st 10

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minutes of the film, I was like,
Oh my gosh, I forgot how good

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this is.
I forgot how brilliant the setup

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of seeing these things through
the eyes of a child can be

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because everything is given
equal weight.

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And we've watched so many of
these like white people

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interacting with black people
and learning a lesson, movies

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for this podcast.
And so often they get accused of

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being like white savior movies.
This movie kind of miraculously

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has avoided getting that much
pushback.

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And I think part of it is
because it's a it's seen through

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the eyes of a child.
But I think if you really wanted

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to, you could still give the
movie push back and say, well,

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the black guy is only used as a
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people.
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wanted to do that, you could.
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this film that, like everything
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a young child is inquisitive
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learning about.
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It doesn't feel antiquated in
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racial politics of the South.
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liked that it didn't shy away
from using really harsh, really,

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you know, denigrating language
like the N word, which we've

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seen movies like The Help and
Green Book won't even touch that

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word in in 20/20/2024.
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Like I think it's more frank
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these other big Oscari race
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and age.
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going to set your movie in the
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have to, I mean, you don't have
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opinion, represent the time
period well, which includes a

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lot of things like having the
proper costumes and the proper

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stage sets being built and the
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And, and that includes like
using the words that they would

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have used in the time.
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important to portray history as
accurately as possible so that a

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modern audience can watch a film
like this and understand the

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brokenness that was going on in
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So I, I'm with you there, man.
I I think that the movie does a

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a fairly good job of honestly
portraying what the Deep South

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might have been like for a young
white child trying to understand

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what's happening in the world
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I think overall the theme really
does hit home too, of you have

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to learn as you grow up that the
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whoever you might come into
contact with are very flawed

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people and are often very wrong
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And in addition to this, Finch
baby, well, in addition to that,

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like the people that they tell
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dangerous ones.
This movie does a really good

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job of that.
I was going to say too, I think

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one of the best payouts of the
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at towards the end of the film
when you find out that Tom

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Robinson is dead.
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he was shot out of malice.
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he was shot out of malice, they
call back to a scene earlier in

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the movie where Jem has been
hounding Atticus about not

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letting him get a gun and he
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coward and he'd never use a gun.
You find out Atticus is the best

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shot in the county when a dog
with rabies wanders into the

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neighborhood and the sheriff
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says, you do it, I can't shoot.
And so like that comes back

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later in the movie where the
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bad aim.
But the the phrase they used to

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describe how Tom Robinson
supposedly ran away is he ran

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like a Mad Dog.
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in that moment is, was he
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he was put down like a dog.
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the theme of killing a
mockingbird, which is somebody

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who doesn't do anybody any harm.
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was shoot a Mad Dog.
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they shot a mockingbird.
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you know, that's directly from
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of folding those things in into

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the movie in a way that's not
like overly schmaltzy or calling

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attention to itself.
Now we can get into what the

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movie doesn't do so well.
But I did, I did want to set

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aside like it does a lot of
things very, very well.

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I just don't know in the balance
of things if those things shine

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as much as they need to.
Yeah, and they, they don't shine

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quite as much because there's
enough moments that feel really

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forced that I it, it feels like
a very up and down type of

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movie.
And so for me, like the moment

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when the lynch mob goes to the
jail to kill Tom Robinson and

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Scout comes in and starts
talking to, you know, the farmer

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and gets him to feel bad and
call off the mob, it's moments

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like that that feel so fake and
for like a variety of reasons.

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One of the reasons is that you
can hear their voices.

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Echoing off of the set.
Oh my gosh, dude.

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And this was so the director
Robert Mulligan is not like a

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very famous director to this
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Like this is by far his most
remembered film.

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And I will say that, like,
again, in the 1st 10 minutes of

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the movie, I was like, the
cinematography is beautiful.

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They put so much effort into
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There's actually a shot, one of
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when the guy that has the
entailment, like, gets off of

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his cart and is walking with his
bag of like nuts up to the side

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of the house.
And the camera pans over with

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him and stops.
And then Scout swings backward

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into the frame on a tire swing.
And she's like narrating.

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I was six years old.
And then you see her for the

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first time.
It's a great little economical

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use of the camera.
And you can tell in this movie,

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more than most movies we've done
on this podcast, which scenes

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they put time and effort into
and which scenes were like,

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either we're running out of time
or we're running out of money.

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Because some of them are
outdoors, some of them are like

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really well choreographed.
And then you have sequences like

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this mob sequence where it is
clearly a sound stage.

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The sound quality is awful, the
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Like they're not even directing
the members of the mob very

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well.
They're they're the most quiet,

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respectful group of men that
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I like.
It's, it's unbelievable, dude.

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Yeah, 100%.
And I think that was my

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frustration throughout the film,
outside of the courtroom

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sequence, where it just felt
like the quality of the

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filmmaking, whether it's the
script, whether it's the

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cinematography, the sound
design, it just felt like they

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were all at odds with one
another throughout the movie.

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That you might have a great
moment of the script, but the

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sound design isn't great.
Or you might have a great moment

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of sound design, but the camera
work isn't really up to par.

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And, and it just felt like a
very uneven experience

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throughout.
And then in the middle of all

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that, you have Gregory Peck just
freaking knocking it out of the

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park with pretty much every line
he's given, but especially as he

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is operating within the
courtroom.

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Why don't we save the courtroom
sequence for the second-half of

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the show?
Because I think we're kind of on

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a roll here with identifying
what's wrong with the movie.

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And I always like it when we
suggest fixes for the movie,

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too.
Because as everyone knows, if

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there's anyone who needs to fix
a 60 something year old film

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that's considered one of the
best of all time, it's Bob and

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Brad Obvious.
That's what they call us in for.

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It's what we make the big bucks.
For the fixers, the.

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Fixers, man.
I do think a you need to lose 20

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minutes off this movie, and
those 20 minutes all need to

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come from the sequences of them
sneaking around the Radley

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house.
There are way too many of them

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and there are only a few that
are actually like germane to the

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plot of the movie in terms of,
you know, he he picked up my

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pants and hung them up for me.
Like literally that's the only

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part of that that you need to to
establish that Boo Radley is not

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harmful and that he wants to
leave presents for people.

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But there's like 3-4 different
sequences of them sneaking

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around that house and they just
get so repetitive that it really

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grinds the movie to a halt.
There's a great sequence where

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the judge comes and assigns the
case to Atticus and it it

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happens right after the kids are
reminiscing about their dead

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mom.
It's like a beautiful sequence

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of this film and the stakes are
established.

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And then the very next scene is
her like fighting with this kid

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Walter at school and then this
extended sequence of him coming

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home for dinner.
And man, those both of those

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scenes only exist to pay off
that scene at the the lynch mob.

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But it's like you invested,
what, 8 minutes of the movie

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into a 22nd payoff later.
And I just don't know if the

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balance of that works out for
me.

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Like you, you got to trim some
of the kids sneaking around

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stuff.
Tell me this Bob, does the movie

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change at all if you just
completely get rid of Boo

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Radley?
Like, obviously you have to

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change up the ending of the film
a little bit.

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I don't think you have to do a
lot of work to make it make

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sense.
No, I think Boo Radley is

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necessary for the point of the
movie to make sense.

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Like Tom Robinson is frankly
dispatched with so quickly and

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so quietly, and it's because he,
you know, he doesn't overlap

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with these children's lives.
But then that principal comes

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back into play with Boo that
like, they killed Tom Robinson,

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they killed a mockingbird.
We're not going to do the same

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thing again with Boo Radley.
He's a guy that doesn't harm

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anybody.
And I like, it's the only hint

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of progress in terms of like the
way people are thinking about

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others in the film.
So I think you have to keep Boo

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Radley in it.
I just don't know that you need

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to hammer it in that much of of
him being a threat or him being

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spooky aside from one maybe 2
scenes.

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But the the problem is nobody in
the movie changes like like

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Scout, even at the start, it's
not like she's this racist

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little kid who needs to learn
how to not be racist.

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Like, the sheriff is the only
person who, like, maybe kind of

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a little bit changes, but like,
they establish him early on as a

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generally good guy.
And even when he's in the

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courtroom, he isn't presented as
somebody who inherently believes

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that Tom Robinson did what he
was accused of.

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So like nobody in the movie
changes at all because of the

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court case, because of what
happens because of the death of

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Tom Robinson.
Like all of the black people in

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the top of the courthouse
believed he was innocent and

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still believe he's innocent at
the end.

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All of the white people in the
town who are racist or presented

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as racist are racist at the end
of the movie.

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Atticus Finch is not racist and
he's not racist at the end of

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the movie.
At like I just don't understand

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how the story can matter when
nothing really changes.

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Yeah, but I mean, like the, I, I
hear what you're saying, but

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think about a movie like The
Help, which we've watched for

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this podcast.
Now, nothing really changes in

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the social strata of that movie
either.

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It's like little small victories
on an individual level that are

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the emotional payoff of that
movie.

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So I, I don't necessarily think
that you have to have huge

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systemic structural change.
I'm like everybody linking arms,

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if you know what I mean, Like,
and I'm not suggesting that

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you're actually saying that, but
I, I, I don't know, it didn't

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bother me that much.
And I think that you can cut out

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so much of the kids being kids
stuff as long as it doesn't

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directly pertain to a payoff
later in the movie.

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And I think 90% of the fat on
this movie is gone.

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And it's a quicker movie.
It's a.

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You can draw through lines
across the characters much more

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easily.
In any case, I it's got to lose

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some time somewhere.
Sure, I I guess I just feel

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like, you know, even your
example of the help there are

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individuals who slowly change as
the power of what's her name,

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Tilly.
I think Hilly Holbrook.

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Hilly.
Yeah, Hilly Holbrook like as her

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power is broken over the
community, like individuals

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change and grow and thrive.
And and you see the black women

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of that movie become more
empowered as their story is

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given voice in this movie.
I I just don't see any of that.

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I I actually care less about
this is going to sound bad.

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Don't don't take this as a sound
clip.

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I care less about the overall
societal change within the

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structure of this movie.
Like within just make them

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Alabama of this movie.
I care more about individuals or

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an individual moving into a
better place.

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Like, I almost wish that the
movie, that the story was about

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an older scout who lived with
her mother, who was

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extraordinarily racist, and the
mother dies and she has to be

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returned to Atticus.
And it's a story about her

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growing to respect and
understand that black people are

448
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,760
humans as well.
Like like this sounds like the

449
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,560
most problematic movie.
I'm just picturing small scout

450
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,480
Finch casually dropping the N
word in this movie and I don't

451
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,400
know if that if that's going to
fly I I mean, I know what you're

452
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,400
saying though.
Yeah, like, like tell me it's

453
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,760
not more impactful if the
audience stand in, grows rather

454
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,040
than is just a little kid the
whole move.

455
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,080
It sounds like you might be a
fan of.

456
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,480
So I think we talked about this
a little bit in the first go

457
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,000
around.
Harper Lee, the only book that

458
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,160
was ever published by her was To
Kill a Mockingbird.

459
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,160
It was long rumored that she had
an alternate version of it that

460
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840
she wrote as a first draft upon
her.

461
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,760
I don't think she was dead yet,
but she was like incapacitated

462
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,920
and it threw some various
sketchy circumstances signed

463
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,200
away her rights to this book.
And they released this book in

464
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,560
2015 as a ghost set A Watchman
was the name of the book.

465
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,640
And in that book, an older scout
is reminiscing about her growing

466
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
up in Make Em.
And Atticus Finch is like a

467
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,960
virulent racist, like very much
so.

468
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,080
And he's portrayed as both a
good dad and a good guy and also

469
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,680
real racist.
And people really struggled with

470
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,040
this book.
I I mean, I've heard it's not

471
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,520
that good anyway.
But like, now you've taken a

472
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,960
true American literary hero and
made him this racist guy for

473
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,600
whom I don't even know what his
arc looks like or if he's just,

474
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120
if it's just accepted as fact
that he like doesn't like black

475
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,320
people.
But it it does kind of sound

476
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,440
like a little bit what you're
suggesting that like you need to

477
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,840
give the main characters
something to overcome rather

478
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,800
than just be like this tabula
rasa and like impartially

479
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,160
observing everything.
Yeah, I I would much rather

480
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Atticus start the movie as a
racist and through his

481
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,240
interactions with Tom Robinson
and Helen, his wife and his

482
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,240
family grow to a place of not
just believing that Tom didn't

483
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,760
do it, but recognizing that
black people in the South in the

484
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:29,920
30s are real human beings with
desires and brokenness and and,

485
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,400
and the full range of the human
experience.

486
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,160
And by the end of the film, he
has become a new person with a

487
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,400
vigor for bringing about justice
in the world.

488
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360
I think that's a way more
fascinating film.

489
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,560
And I think that if that was
true of the first half of the

490
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,880
movie, then that courtroom scene
where he is defending this black

491
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,120
man not just because he has to,
but because he wants to and

492
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,760
believes in the cause, tell me
that that's not way more

493
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,240
emotionally powerful than in a
scene that's already incredibly

494
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,200
emotionally powerful.
Yeah, man, I I think what we're

495
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,160
both arriving at is that this is
a Great American story and it's

496
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880
an important one, but that this
adaptation needs a little

497
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,440
something to tighten it up a
bit.

498
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,040
And I think, Brad, when we get
back, we're going to talk about

499
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
the best part of the movie,
which is that courtroom

500
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,280
sequence, which I might have a
spicy take or two about as well.

501
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,320
But before we get there, what do
you say we drink this Tullamore

502
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480
do?
I am so excited, Bob.

503
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

504
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,160
checking out Tullamore DO, which
is labeled as Tullamore DEW.

505
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200
There's little periods in
between each letter.

506
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
I have never known exactly if
you're supposed to pronounce it

507
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,880
do or DEW, but I'm looking at
the Wikipedia now and it it

508
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,560
lists it as do.
We're going to go with

509
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Tullamore.
Do Brad.

510
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,640
It also like the actual branding
has all of the letters being

511
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,160
capitalized in Tolemore and do.
But if you see it in like press

512
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,920
releases, Tolemore is spelled
normally with a capital T in all

513
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,280
lowercase and then do is all
capitalized correct?

514
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,680
But it's almost like they're
yelling at you like Tolemore do.

515
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,200
They want to compete with
Mountain Dew.

516
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,560
You know this is the Tolemore
do, damn it.

517
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Don't get it confused.
So this is one of the world's

518
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,400
most famous Irish whiskeys.
We've obviously reviewed it

519
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,920
before back in Season 1.
We've done a couple other little

520
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760
offshoots of Tullamore Do that
were finished in different kinds

521
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,640
of barrels.
I believe one of them was called

522
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,640
like the Tullamore Do Caribbean
Cask or something like that.

523
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,640
We really liked that one.
I'm excited to dive back into

524
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Tullamore Do because we have
long lauded Jamieson as our

525
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,720
favorite mass produced Irish
whiskey, but Tullamore has

526
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,400
always given it a run for its
money, literally because they're

527
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,080
like the same price and just
because you and I appreciate a

528
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,760
good budget pour of whiskey.
Yeah, 100% Tullamore DO was

529
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,040
recommended to me long, long
time ago, like before we ever

530
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
started the podcast.
I remember telling a friend that

531
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,320
I really like Jamieson.
Jamieson and Ginger was like my

532
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,840
go to drink and he told me why
don't you try Tolmore do some

533
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,720
time.
It's like at the time it was

534
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,600
like a few bucks cheaper than
Jameson and I remember trying it

535
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,640
and being a fan of it.
So I like literally from like

536
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,120
2015, I want to say I've always
been a fan of.

537
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Telemardu So this is a triple
distilled Irish blended whiskey.

538
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,400
It's a blend of malt whiskey,
grain whiskey and pot still

539
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,360
whiskey which are the three
major categories in Irish

540
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,200
whiskey.
It is proofed all the way down

541
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240
to 80 proof and it is non age
stated.

542
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,200
So we have no idea how old this
is, although I believe it has to

543
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,440
be at least three years of age.
So Brad, let's go ahead and dive

544
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,000
into it.
What are you picking up on the

545
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080
nose of Tullamore?
Doo Doo more Doo.

546
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,760
The nose here has some really
nice lemongrass.

547
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840
It's like a little bit earthy, a
little bit citrusy.

548
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,520
The honey is there.
There's a really strong, like, I

549
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960
don't know if I'm going to ruin
this for you, Bob, but once I

550
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,320
realized it, it's the only thing
I could smell.

551
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,160
It's got a really strong apple
juice element on the nose,

552
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,760
really pleasant, comes across
nicely, very soft and gentle as

553
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,720
you would expect from an 80
proof Irish whiskey.

554
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 here.

555
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Yeah, I like this a lot.
And I will say that the, I hate

556
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,040
to call it cheap, but the
cheapness comes through after a

557
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,960
little while on Irish whiskey,
Brad and I almost always get

558
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160
these like bright citrus, apple
leaf.

559
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,760
We get melon and we get like
Peach pear.

560
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Sometimes those are like the,
the big notes we get on Irish

561
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,000
whiskey.
Sometimes we get those on

562
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,080
blended scotches as well.
And what I found is that if

563
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,920
that's going to be like your
baseline for the nose, then the

564
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,280
mark of quality is how long can
it hang on to those kind of much

565
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040
more gentle, subtle notes as you
knows it.

566
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,240
And this one, it's right there
up front.

567
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,800
And then for me, 30 seconds in
the grain whiskey in this really

568
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,440
starts to take over and it's
like a it, it just gets a little

569
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,000
bit of a funk to it that may be
coming from some of that pot

570
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,680
still whiskey, but it just kind
of smells like unflavored,

571
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,400
unseasoned grain.
And it starts to tip into like,

572
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,520
oh, now I'm getting the ethanol
notes.

573
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Now this smells a little bit
harsher to me.

574
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,400
So it's good for what it is.
But like I I think even in the

575
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400
blind I could tell this is not a
super expensive whiskey.

576
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 on the nose as well.

577
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,000
I think the palate is pleasant
without being impressive.

578
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,200
The apple juice is really,
really strong here.

579
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360
It's got some really nice floral
notes.

580
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,480
There's honeydew.
It doesn't get into the nice

581
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680
honey flavors that yeah, I
really hoped for.

582
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,280
It's pleasant and bright.
I actually do like it a little

583
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,440
more than the nose.
It is very simple so I'm going

584
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,159
to I'll bump up a tiny bit to a
7 1/2.

585
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,159
Yeah, I'm going to.
I mean, I think in terms of just

586
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,199
pure enjoyment, this is like an
8 1/2 for me.

587
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,400
I'm going to give it an 8 on
flavor.

588
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,400
It's simple, but once you kick
it to the back of your pallet

589
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,040
and the sort of like cigarette
ashy notes start to come up that

590
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,800
we get a lot on Irish whiskey,
it's a really nice transition.

591
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
It fades you into it very, very
well.

592
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,960
And I expected it to be a lot
harsher and a lot more sudden

593
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,679
for those kind of bitter notes
to come out on the back.

594
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,000
It doesn't do that.
I am going to Ding it on finish

595
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,360
because that's where the bitter
notes really take over for me.

596
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,080
It's a long lasting finish, but
it's really grain forward.

597
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,360
And it's, it's like straight ash
for a little bit, quite a bit

598
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,080
more bitter than I would have
liked it to be.

599
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,320
I'm just going to give it a 7
out of 10 on finish.

600
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Yeah, I I actually am lower than
you on finish.

601
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080
I'm going to give it a six out
of 10 here.

602
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,800
I literally my first note is
cigarette ash, like the IT is so

603
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,000
ashy on the finish.
There's some green apple, but

604
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,840
like kind of like a sour, almost
like an apple.

605
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960
You wouldn't quite want to eat
type of sour green apple.

606
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,480
There's just it.
It drops off on the on the

607
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840
finish Bob.
See, and that would be more

608
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,280
forgivable when we keep the
value in mind.

609
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680
I know we're still getting into
balance here, but like a lot of

610
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,960
times we say, OK, it's well
balanced for a $20 whiskey.

611
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,480
It's no longer a $20 whiskey.
So I have to keep that in mind

612
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,720
as well.
But as much as I can say in a

613
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,800
vacuum, is this a well balanced
whiskey?

614
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,160
No, not really.
I'll give it a 6.

615
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,480
I feel like that's probably a
little bit generous, but this is

616
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,480
like this is a below average
whiskey.

617
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,400
This is not what you want.
You know, I would recommend you

618
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,840
buy like a $40 Irish whiskey
over this.

619
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,240
I will help it out when we get
to value, but right now we're

620
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,000
just talking about in general.
Is it well balanced?

621
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Probably not Brad.
Yeah, I'm at a 6 1/2 on balance

622
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,520
It it's interesting, but it's
not complex in any way.

623
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,880
I think value wise, this is
sitting at $29.00 in the state

624
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,240
of Ohio.
This isn't a whiskey that's

625
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,200
going to get gouged across the
country.

626
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,080
So I'm guessing you're going to
see it anywhere from 28 to $30.

627
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,680
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on
value.

628
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,160
I I still think it's a good
whiskey worth drinking, but

629
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,720
there are better options.
And I love what you said, Bob.

630
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,640
I would I would push you towards
a lot of like 38 to $42.00

631
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,760
whiskeys before I would say go
drink Tullamore dude.

632
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,560
You said it's $29.00 now.
Yes, Sir.

633
00:36:53,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Yeah, that's a 4 or 4 1/2 five.
I'll give it a 5 out of 10 on

634
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040
value.
I mean like Jameson's the same

635
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,600
price.
I do think Jameson's better than

636
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,720
this.
If Tullamore do was undercutting

637
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,920
them by 5 bucks, it'd be a great
value.

638
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,720
I'm sure this is a good mixer.
I think if you wanted to throw

639
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,120
it in with some like apple cider
or something in the fall would

640
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,280
be really, really good with
those apple notes in it.

641
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,880
But $30.00 for a mixer is kind
of pushing the upper limits of

642
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
what a mixer should cost.
And at that point, if you're

643
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,160
going to be doing that, I'm with
Brad just, you know, save up 10

644
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,080
more dollars and get something
that's good meat.

645
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240
So that's taking me to a 33 out
of 50.

646
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,840
Brad, where are you at?
A point higher I'm at 34 out of

647
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,360
50.
So that takes us to just a 67

648
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,320
out of 100 or a 33 1/2 out of 50
on average.

649
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Do I recommend this?
It's a soft no.

650
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Like I think I would pass and
get something else.

651
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,480
It's not like offensively bad.
I I'm not offended by the price

652
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,600
of it.
I just think it's slightly

653
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,320
overpriced for a slightly below
average whiskey.

654
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Yeah, if you are experienced in
the world of Irish whiskey, I

655
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,760
would say pass on this.
If you are looking to try Irish

656
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,480
whiskey for the first time,
check out what it's all about.

657
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Like you can find a 50ML of this
for like $1.52 bucks.

658
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,520
I'd say go buy a 50ML, pour it,
enjoy it, try it out.

659
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,280
It's going to be worth that.
And if you like it then keep a

660
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
bottle of it on your bar.
It's not that expensive.

661
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,720
All right, Brad, let's get back
into talking about To Kill a

662
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,080
Mockingbird.
What do you say?

663
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:37,640
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, That was

664
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Tola more.
Do do do.

665
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,360
You know what?
You haven't been doing well at

666
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,920
this this year, Bob.
Do you know what it's time to do

667
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600
now?
It's time for 2 facts and a

668
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,080
falsehood, Brad.
Is it's going to try to stump

669
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,640
you ball 2 are right and what is
wrong?

670
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,600
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 facts
and a falsehood is the part of

671
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,400
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

672
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,240
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie and I

673
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,960
have to determine which one that
is.

674
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Brad, you've gotten me a couple
times this season.

675
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,960
I I don't know about this one.
There's a lot of directions you

676
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
could go because it's very
famous movie, won a lot of

677
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,280
Oscars, but there's also the
whole literary adaptation

678
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,440
background.
And I definitely didn't do

679
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,160
enough research to cover all
these bases.

680
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,360
So you, you might get me today,
dude.

681
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:45,120
I am ready to do you in Bob.
All righty fact #1 The watch

682
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,560
used in the film was a prop, but
Harper Lee gave Gregory Peck her

683
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,360
father's watch, who she based
Atticus Finch off of after the

684
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,120
film was completed because he
reminded her so much of her

685
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680
father.
Fact #2A scouting agency was

686
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160
instructed to find as
naturalistic of actors as they

687
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,280
could find for the main children
in the film and conducted

688
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,760
interviews with over 400
children before settling on Mary

689
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Badham and Philip Alford as
Scout and Jem Finch.

690
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,760
Fact #3 Philip Alford told his
mother that he did not want to

691
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,320
go to the auditions for the part
of Jem Finch, but when his

692
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640
mother told him that he would
miss half a day of school if he

693
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,080
went, he immediately decided to
go.

694
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,480
OK, they all sound very
plausible so I will give you

695
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,120
your kudos for that.
Remind me real quick #1 again.

696
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,000
The watch was a prop, but she
gave the real 1.

697
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,080
I'm gravitating towards either
one or three as the lie.

698
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,200
So if you're doing a little
dance because number 2 is the

699
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680
lie you already have, you've
gotten me already.

700
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:03,120
I'm going to say I'm going to
say #1 is the falsehood.

701
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,400
But I have no basis for that
other than it just seems like

702
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,960
the most made-up PR thing that I
could think of.

703
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,800
Bob, you are wrong.
That was a true statement.

704
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Number 2 was the falsehood.
Oh wow.

705
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,560
OK, there you go.
I don't feel like I often just

706
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,840
like so completely pull the wool
over your eyes that you

707
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,480
immediately are like, oh that
falsehood totally a fact.

708
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,440
It just seemed like, you know,
the most asinine of the of the

709
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,600
bunch.
So yeah, 400 kids got

710
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,600
interviewed.
Cool.

711
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,440
That's exactly what my high
school teachers told me about

712
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,600
me, the most asinine of the
bunch.

713
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,640
That was that was what you won
in your yearbook as a senior,

714
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440
right?
Most likely to be asinine.

715
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,400
Of the bunch.
Of the bunch, sure All right

716
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,520
man, let's dive back into To
Kill a Mockingbird now the most

717
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,960
famous sequence of this movie,
and arguably it's best, is the

718
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,920
courtroom sequence in the
middle.

719
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,560
I guess the second third of the
film.

720
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,400
It's about 35 minutes long.
It is a powerhouse of early 60s

721
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,040
cinema.
It's a great courtroom sequence.

722
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,000
I said I'd have some spicy
takes.

723
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,600
I'll just kind of get this out
of the way now.

724
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,160
It's so completely changes the
perspective of the film that it

725
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,680
does kind of bother me that they
don't cut away to the kids more

726
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,640
often or have camera setups in
the balcony looking down at the

727
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,760
proceedings from their point of
view more often.

728
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760
Yeah.
And I think that that gets to

729
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,920
your point, Brad, about kind of
undermining that this is a story

730
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,280
told through children's eyes
because it is told literally at

731
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,800
the eye level of Atticus Finch
for 35 minutes in a row.

732
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,240
And he becomes the actual, like,
subject of the film.

733
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,440
And I think that that really
does bother me.

734
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,080
Like if this is a movie about
kids learning through the their

735
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,080
own eyes what's around them,
then you got to actually like

736
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,520
put the camera in the point of
view of the children more often.

737
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,440
I mean, I would argue that
Atticus Finch is the subject of

738
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,120
the entire film, and I think
that's why Boo Radley just kind

739
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,480
of isn't a great addition to the
story.

740
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,000
I think at the end of the day,
this movie is not interested in

741
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,960
reality.
It's interested in creating a

742
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,400
mythological figure that we
ought all to strive towards

743
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,320
Aspiration.
Yeah.

744
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Like Atticus Finch is a an
Odysseus type character for

745
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,320
modern Americans to strive
towards in the way that they

746
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,480
treat black people.
Like if you are talking about

747
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,120
the perfect person in regards to
race relations, you have to talk

748
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,560
about Atticus Finch.
Now you're saying, like, let me,

749
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,080
I don't mean to interrupt you,
but like what you're saying is

750
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,040
that's how the movie's putting
him forth.

751
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Not necessarily that like
Atticus Finch is Odysseus, but

752
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,640
that the movie portrays him as
that.

753
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:03,200
Yeah, portrays him as a
mythological aspirational figure

754
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,280
that we should learn from and
try to emulate in our own lives.

755
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,280
And so for me, the the courtroom
sequence not being shot from the

756
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,560
children's point of view, while
it is tonally a massive shift

757
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,520
from the rest of the movie, I
think it's like betraying what

758
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,760
the movie is really about.
Like, the movie's never about

759
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,680
the kids.
The movie has always been about

760
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,800
Atticus Finch.
OK, well, I think maybe that's a

761
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,360
good place to kind of talk a
little bit about Gregory Peck,

762
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,320
who wins the Academy Award in
1962 for best actor.

763
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:44,280
This is one of the most fondly
remembered performances in

764
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040
American film history, and I
think for good reason.

765
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,360
There's a really a really good
quote from Pauline Kael, who

766
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,360
didn't love this movie.
And she says Gregory Peck was

767
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,880
better than usual, but in that
same virtuously doll way.

768
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,880
And I will say I kind of see
where she's coming from a little

769
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,920
bit.
I don't find Gregory Peck to be

770
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,960
a particularly charismatic
actor.

771
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,720
But what I do find is that in
this movie, more than others, he

772
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,920
has just the slightest little
facial tics or expressions.

773
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Or can he glance sideways real
briefly in a way that clues you

774
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,480
into how knowing he is as a
character?

775
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,240
I do think it's just it's a
phenomenal performance even from

776
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,280
an actor that I don't really
love outside of this movie.

777
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,800
Oh, it's such an incredible
performance.

778
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:38,640
Like the amount of emotion that
he lays into his speeches, his

779
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,520
questioning that lies under the
surface of a cool, calm,

780
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,040
collected lawyer like it.
It deserves every bit of

781
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,240
recognition it gets as just a
superb performance in a

782
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:58,880
courtroom drama scene.
And then it's undermined when

783
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,360
the script asks him to like,
gently consider a glass, an

784
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,920
empty glass and throw it at his
defendant Where I'm like, OK,

785
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,480
come on.
Here's my spicy, spicy take

786
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,680
about the courtroom scene.
I I got real bored during

787
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Atticus Finch's closing
statements.

788
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,360
I think that in 1962, like
having a white man advocate for

789
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,280
a black man is compelling stuff
in general.

790
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:35,480
But I'm like, as he continues to
be like, you know, she was a

791
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Sinner and what was her sin?
Why tempting a black man and why

792
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,840
did she tempt a black man?
Why?

793
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Because it was like, Oh my God,
dude, just stop.

794
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Like make your point and sit
down, bro.

795
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,040
And and he has that real famous
line where, you know, in the

796
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,520
name of God, do your duty.
It's great.

797
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,040
It's fantastic.
That's it's one line amongst a

798
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,840
sea of exposition that I wish
was shorter.

799
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,960
I like there's just a couple
moments, even in that courtroom

800
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,840
scene that I think you could
trim up if you really wanted to

801
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,240
tighten up this movie a bit.
Yeah, I, Bob, I am not

802
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:15,680
disagreeing with you at all.
I, I, I think that it's a great

803
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,880
bit of acting.
There's a lot of great moments,

804
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,360
but once again, it just feels
like Mulligan.

805
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,080
As a director, Are you ready for
this?

806
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,840
Ought to have taken a few
mulligans.

807
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,040
And yet, Brad, to Mulligan's
credit, I think that everybody

808
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,360
that gets up on the stand in the
courtroom sequence is like

809
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,800
nominate this person for an
Academy Award level performance.

810
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,720
It's like the it's like the wife
in network winning for like a 4

811
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,080
minute scene.
I mean, like Bob Yule, really

812
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,480
villainous villain.
You know, his face kind of

813
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,840
reminds me a little bit of
Robert Patrick, the guy that

814
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,320
played the T1000 in Terminator
2.

815
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,200
But like when he gets older and
he's like the mean dad and walk

816
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,520
the line, like, sure.
I just think that if you're

817
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,120
remaking this movie, Robert
Patrick is Bob Yule.

818
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,400
All of a sudden they come back
with a not guilty verdict and he

819
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,960
starts like morphing and shape
shifting.

820
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,000
I think that Maeela Yule, that
is like you, you think that

821
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,560
you've reached the pinnacle of
like how powerful a performance

822
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,480
can get because she's clearly
lying.

823
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680
She's clearly under duress.
And then she snaps at everybody

824
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,000
with that, like, you know, it'll
all be for nothing and storms

825
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,160
off.
And then they put Tom Robinson

826
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:41,120
on the stand and Oh my gosh,
what a heart wrenching 10

827
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,960
minutes that is, man.
Dude, like what a performance

828
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:53,280
what it is.
Brock Peters is so relatable and

829
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:00,120
honest and open and vulnerable
and kind and like if the goal of

830
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:06,200
the movie is to present the
image of how evil it is, To Kill

831
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,480
a Mockingbird, he.
Nails it.

832
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,320
Yeah, it.
I mean, it might be pound for

833
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
pound, it might be the best
performance in the movie.

834
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
I I think it might actually be
better than Gregory Peck.

835
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,160
And Gregory Peck is fantastic,
but Brock Peters on the stand

836
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,560
when he is finally asked, did
you rape Maela Yule?

837
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,120
And he's breaking down crying,
saying, I did not, Sir.

838
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,240
Like, it is just that is, that
is to me, that's the indelible

839
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,600
image of this movie.
And I think that once you leave

840
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,760
that courtroom scene and you get
the news about Tom Robinson

841
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,440
dying, it's really crushing.
And you're kind of wondering,

842
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160
where's the movie going to go
from here?

843
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,560
And it makes sense where the
movie has gone 20 minutes later

844
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,680
when it's over and they put a
bow on what you've just watched

845
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,320
for the prior 20 minutes.
But that transition from Tom

846
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,240
Robinson is dead to, like, Scout
in a ham costume.

847
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,360
I'm like, what are we doing?
Why is this still going on?

848
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,880
Wasn't that the end of the
movie?

849
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,880
And, and again, like, you get
the closing 45 seconds of Scout

850
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,560
narrating and that beautiful
score, and, you know, her

851
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,760
saying, like, I would look back
on this summer and Tom Robinson

852
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,520
and Boo Radley.
And then it fades to Atticus in

853
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,360
the window and he's hugging her.
And it does get me.

854
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,920
Like, it's an emotional moment.
I cry at the end of this movie,

855
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
but I cry because the filmmaking
is so good in the last minute

856
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,640
and a half, not because of the
20 minutes that have preceded

857
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,280
it.
Yeah, the, the final bit of this

858
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,800
movie is terrible, Bob.
It's it's not good the whole

859
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,880
scene.
And once again, I think

860
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,320
Mulligan's hands are kind of
tied here by the source material

861
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,240
that she's in this stupid ham
costume.

862
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,720
And, and once again, we've
returned to the, we're going to

863
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,920
show this from her viewpoint,
which means we can't really show

864
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:04,840
any of the fighting.
The, the whole thing isn't good.

865
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,560
It's not good visual
storytelling.

866
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,440
Like you said, I think that in a
book format, it makes a lot of

867
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,000
sense.
In a visual medium, it's boring

868
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,520
and doesn't come across well.
And I, I just, I really

869
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,400
struggled with the final bit of
this film because I'll go back

870
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,520
to my main point.
Nobody changes in the film.

871
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,880
Everybody is who they are.
And the the tragedy of the film

872
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:41,560
is that Atticus Finch, the
pinnacle of someone using

873
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,080
whatever power and influence he
has to defend those who are

874
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,440
underrepresented, fails.
And like that like, that's the

875
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,520
brutality of the movie.
And so to tack on this thing

876
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,440
where, you know, Gem and Scout
are attacked and, you know, Oh,

877
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:07,040
well, now that now that Tom
Robinson has been killed and the

878
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,520
person who had him killed is
killed, like that's just this

879
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,360
baby.
Like they got each other in the

880
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,600
end.
I, it just feels I, I don't

881
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,320
know.
I really did not like the ending

882
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,560
of this film, despite the fact
that Robert Duvall gives a great

883
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,160
silent film performance.
Good old Robert Duvall.

884
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,840
All right, man.
I think it's time for us to get

885
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,280
to our last segment of the day,
which we call Let's make it a

886
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,080
double.
We're near the end of the

887
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,720
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

888
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Let's pair another film with
this one.

889
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,680
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

890
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,320
day.
Now let's make it a double.

891
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,280
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

892
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,280
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

893
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,720
feature, Right.
There's a lot of directions you

894
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,840
can go here.
I mean, we haven't really talked

895
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,600
about the year in film.
That was 1962.

896
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,360
It is one of the best years in
cinema history.

897
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,480
I mean, we've we've only done a
couple of films from this year

898
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,880
on the podcast, but the big one
that took all of To Kill a

899
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Mockingbird's awards away was
Lawrence of Arabia.

900
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,480
So if you just wanted to do a
really, really long 1962 double

901
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200
feature, I guess you could pair
it up with that 4 hour movie.

902
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,640
But I'm really curious, man,
where are you going to go with

903
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,040
your?
Let's make it a double today.

904
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:30,280
Oh, this is a tough one, Bob.
I I don't know, I like, there's

905
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,560
a few places I could go.
I, I think I'm going to go with

906
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,760
a movie that I think takes what
happens here in this movie and

907
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,320
does it better.
I'm going to go with 12 Angry

908
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,840
Men.
I like I texted you jokingly

909
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,320
throughout the film when I was
watching it and said I want to

910
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,200
see the companion movie to this
12 Angry White Men about the

911
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,280
deliberation that happens for
the Tom Robinson case.

912
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,560
I think at the end of the day,
12 Angry Men takes the same

913
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:09,960
premise on what if somebody used
their voice to give a voice to

914
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,440
somebody who's underrepresented
and somebody who general society

915
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,400
views as lesser.
Like 12 Angry Men does that in a

916
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:26,000
really beautiful and raw and
honest way, and it's way more

917
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,000
concise about it.
So I just, I think 12 Angry Men

918
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,040
would be a really good companion
piece to this film.

919
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,520
This movie has one of the best
remembered scores of any film.

920
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,880
And I'm, I'm just wondering like
we, we only really talk about

921
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,240
the score of a movie when it's
your boy John Williams.

922
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,360
You know, there were moments in
this movie where it really

923
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,880
reminded me.
This movie was scored by Elmer

924
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,320
Bernstein.
It reminded me of Leonard

925
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Bernstein's score for On the
waterfront a little bit.

926
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,160
And I thought that some of the
more documentary feel elements

927
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,400
would make a really good let's
make it a 22.

928
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,720
But I think ultimately what I
was thinking about most was the

929
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,960
narration part of the movie.
And I hate the narrator of this

930
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,600
movie.
I hate the way she talks so much

931
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,560
Brett, like from the very
beginning when she goes make

932
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,120
them was a tired Old Town.
I'm like, oh God, I've been for

933
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,880
two hours of this dude.
But there's like this small

934
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,680
subgenre of movies that are like
movies that take place over the

935
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:33,000
course of a summer or a year
about a kid and and his older

936
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,480
version or her older version is
narrating it and it's.

937
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Like say, like my dog Skip.
Yeah, it was actually my pick.

938
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,120
My dog Skip is mine.
Let's make it a double.

939
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,680
Is it?
It really was, because here's

940
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
the only movies I could think of
that fit in this small subgenre.

941
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,440
It's To Kill a Mockingbird.
There's a movie from the 80s

942
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,600
called My Favorite Year.
The Sandlot fits into this.

943
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,560
A Christmas Story.
They're all like the same cheesy

944
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,360
narrator over children learning
things.

945
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,360
And I think the one that's
closest to this is my dog Skip,

946
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,360
where instead of, you know,
weird racist lessons happening,

947
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,440
it's just a dog.
It's just a dog teaching your

948
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,200
life lessons, so there.
I can't believe you picked it

949
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,040
before I even got to it, but
that's my pick.

950
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:21,800
That I feel prescient, Bob I
100%.

951
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,120
All the movies that like, that's
crazy dude.

952
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,240
I did not know how I picked that
out.

953
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,680
I haven't thought about my dog
Skip since I watched it as like

954
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:40,200
an 8 year old.
Oh man, I think that might be

955
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,000
the best pick in our history of
let's make it a.

956
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Double why thank you so much,
Sir.

957
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,520
Simply for the fact that I
called it out.

958
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
All right, man, let's give this
movie some final scores.

959
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,160
I'm going to give this an 8 1/2.
I was at a 10 out of 10 for the

960
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,080
1st 10 minutes of the movie.
It bounced back up to like a

961
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,640
nine a couple times and then it
just keeps tripping over itself

962
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:03,680
on the way to the finish line.
I feel like.

963
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,600
And any time we're watching a
movie that is at least 60 years

964
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
old like this, you have to
remember that it's only the good

965
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,000
ones that have even survived
this long.

966
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,560
So yes, the pacing seems slow,
but that's, I mean, that's just

967
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,600
old movies, man.
And I I'm not, I'm not usually

968
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,840
the guy that talks about how old
movies are different than new

969
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,800
movies.
But let's be real here.

970
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,080
Even with that taken into
consideration, you know, I

971
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,320
mentioned On the Waterfront, I
think On the Waterfront's a

972
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,400
better movie than this.
I think it accomplishes what it

973
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,400
wants to do better than this.
And it's eight years older than

974
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,600
To Kill a Mockingbird.
So with that caveat, that's an 8

975
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,000
1/2 for me, Brad.
See, I I actually, I didn't even

976
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,480
think about the pacing in the
film.

977
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,120
I like, I think the problem with
the movie is way more

978
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:54,160
structural, where the scenes
themselves don't matter in a lot

979
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,120
of ways.
And so whether or not it's paced

980
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,480
well doesn't really matter to
me.

981
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,120
I think that the movie struggles
to understand what it's really

982
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,680
about and the, the
cinematography and the viewpoint

983
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,800
of the camera and the viewpoint
of the narration is like taking

984
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,320
you away from what I think the
script is actually trying to

985
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,600
say.
And so it just feels like the

986
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,720
whole movie is a clash of, of,
of visions of what they're

987
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,680
trying to do.
I am going to give this a 7 out

988
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,320
of 10. 7 out of 10.
OK, so that takes us to what, a

989
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,080
7.75 out of 10?
On average, we are below the

990
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,520
IMDb average on this movie,
which is I believe an 8.3.

991
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,280
So folks, this is probably our
hottest take yet this season.

992
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,680
I mean, I can't, I can't think
of anything else that would be

993
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,320
hotter unless you want to count
Brad's many times that he has

994
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,800
given Goodfellas like an 8 or an
8.5.

995
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,800
But we want to know what you
think.

996
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,680
Is To Kill a Mockingbird still
the classic that it's always

997
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,400
been regarded as or is it closer
to Brad's 7 out of 10?

998
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,680
You can let us know at any of
our social media accounts,

999
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,560
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Tiktok or YouTube.

1000
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,320
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1001
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,520
We have an entire server
dedicated talking about movies,

1002
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,840
whiskey, and anything else you
really want to bring U.

1003
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,040
So if you would like to join
that conversation, you can find

1004
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,360
a link to our Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

1005
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,120
notes.
Well, we have made it through

1006
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,200
the gauntlet of one movie about
racism, and we're doing it again

1007
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,760
next week, Brad, because it's
time for us to revisit that

1008
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,080
infamous Best Picture winner,
Green Book.

1009
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,120
So we'll be back next week to
talk about Green Book, but until

1010
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,840
then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

1011
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,240
And we'll see you next time.