The Silence of the Lambs / Old Tub feat. It's Bourbon Night

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In 1991 director, Jonathan Demi
and star.

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Jodie Foster introduced the
world to the psychological

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Thriller focused on the deranged
Mind of a killer in 2021.

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The Jim Beam company takes a
regional product.

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National the film is Silence of
the Lambs, the whiskey is old

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tub and we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at the
1991 Best Picture Winner.

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The Silence of the Lambs Brad.
This is kind of lining up at a

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perfect time for us.
We are in the middle of women's

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History Month.
This movie has one of the best

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female protagonist of all time,
and it's also kind of kick

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starting a new series for us
where we're going to be looking

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at Best Picture winners.
So we've selected a number of

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Best Picture winners in the
lead-up to next month's.

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Oscars, I'm super pumped to use
this movie as our Bridge movie

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to talk about today, you know,
Bob, I'm just going to be

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upfront and honest.
This is one of those movies.

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Is that when you were a young
lad in the early to mid-1990s,

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you would be perusing the, the
walls of a of your local

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Blockbuster Blockbuster.
For those of you young enough

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was a place where you went to
like, get movies and you gave

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them money and you brought them
home for like a week.

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Is that a good explanation?
Yeah, I think it is.

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But yeah, I would go to
Blockbuster and I would see this

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movie on the shelves and there
was just something.

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Thing about it, that was
absolutely terrifying to like

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five six seven year, old me.
And I don't know if that horror

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has ever left me and I've like
refused to watch this movie.

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So I just want you to know that,
I still haven't watched it and

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we're just going to make stuff
up.

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Please, please tell me that's a
joke.

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Bob, the best part is that
there's a part of you that

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really is wondering.
Oh absolutely, I'm Brad, you

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know.
I did watch the movie for this.

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I just want you to know how much
I love you.

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This podcast and filming whiskey
Nation enough to overcome this

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deep-seated childhood fear.
Well, I'll tell you what, man,

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it is a justifiable fear because
there are elements of this

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movie, that are absolutely
terrifying.

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It is one of only a handful of
movies that could be considered

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a horror movie that have ever
been nominated for Best Picture

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Brad, we're going to get into
it.

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We're going to break it all
down.

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We're going to talk about your
first time watching this movie,

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but in order to do that, that we
need to welcome in some special

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guest hosts.
We have Chad and Sarah with us

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from the YouTube channel.
It's bourbon night.

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Chad and Sarah.
How are you guys doing?

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We're doing great.
Pretty good.

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Thank you so much for being
along on the ride watching this.

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Highly uncomfortable film.
I'm really excited to see how we

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talk about this one, as we kind
of intro the movie.

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Before we talk about anything
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What made you choose this movie
to come on our show and talk

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about today?
That's a good question.

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I think your question.
I mean I shocker love serial

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killer information.
I don't know, like

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documentaries.
So Shane she learned refers to

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them as how to's?
Well, I'm sure.

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Really is more of a how to not
not be kidnapped and have your

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skin worn as a suit.
That's more of those live a

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little over how to Amman
typically used formation.

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Yeah, these are things.
Honestly, I was a little worried

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that you were just going to
leave it at.

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I love cereal.
Oh, I love serial killers.

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That's why she married me.
I still have even been caught.

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No, I just, I find, I think
it's, you know, some people will

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be, like, why are you scared of
monster movies but not serial

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killer movies and I'm like, I
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I think I find there's comfort
in like seeing it play out this

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real life threat and like, hmm,
think seeing how things happen

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and thinking like, how would I
defend against that?

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It's almost soothing Away.
No, that's probably weird.

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No, it's cathartic to think
about how you defend your site.

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As I get out, I'm trying to
prepare myself, right?

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Little sure toolkit Chad, why
did you pick this movie?

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I, I was not.
What do you want?

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Yes, exactly.
I was kind of, like, A League of

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Their Own.
That's fun.

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Like, like a good husband.
I was like, absolutely not.

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We need dark and I'm here.
I can't remember the list now,

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but wasn't like Wally on there
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Oh yeah.
And I was, I was my second

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choice like, oh, Wally.
The League of Their Own, you

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know?
And it's there was like, sounds

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of lamps.
It's like, yeah, sounds good

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definitely.
That's the one.

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So Sarah, you're like, movie,
preferences are either serial

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killer movies or Pixar.
Correct.

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Now, when they can combine the
two, that is it.

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That is the next Oscar winner.
That's a day.

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We're looking forward to.
I mean, I'd watch it.

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Absolutely, it would be great.
All right guys, so can you break

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down for us a little bit about,
you know, the the Should have

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the YouTube channel, maybe how
you guys met some of our

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listeners.
I'm sure are familiar with you.

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You have an incredibly
successful YouTube channel.

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I am a huge fan.
I've been subscribing for a

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couple of years now but but
yeah, absolutely.

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Thank you.
I have to thank you even before

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you get started on your intro
for introducing us to the phrase

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Kentucky hug, which is something
that we have wholeheartedly

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stolen from you.
And it is, it's really, really

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helpful for us to use as we talk
about tasting whiskey.

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So what?
Thank you.

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For the Kentucky hug, first of
all?

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Yeah, absolutely.
We will Kentucky hug.

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Anyone who wants to be Kentucky
hooked?

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We can't take credit for it.
Credit goes to Fred.

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No from Jim Beam, but yeah, we
definitely can take a little bit

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of credit for spreading it
around.

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It's meant to be shared.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Had, I'm curious.
It would your serial killer

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named be the Kentucky hugger?
Yeah, I got a pretty good bear

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hug.
So I would you know, start off.

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Ice and they were like, oh, this
is a little little too tight

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there buddy, little
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And then, if you like help and
then it's lights out, we are off

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to a great start you guys.
I'm not sure how I feel about

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that.
So walk us through like the

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creation of the YouTube channel
and how you guys came to be

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where you are today.
Oh goodness, I'll try to make it

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the I tend to go off on tangents
so I'll try to make it The

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Abridged version but we're both
working.

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I was working in marketing.
Apartment for a restaurant group

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that was opening a bourbon bar.
So I was getting really

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interested in Bourbon because I
was like Hey I've lived in

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Kentucky my whole life.
Now I'm working on this bar

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that's going to have 200 plus
Bourbons.

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I could probably couldn't even
name 20.

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So I was like, okay, I'm
starting to get more into

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bourbon.
We were shooting a video for

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that particular bar that was
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Chad, worked on the video crew.
We met, we did a couple

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different shoots over the course
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So we started hanging out and In
our own bourbon nights as

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friends.
We kept it as friends for a

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while then we realized as we
were doing these bourbon, I

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swear we do tastings and flights
and things like, wait a second,

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Chad you're in video production,
I'm in marketing, our powers

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combined.
We could create a YouTube

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channel, you'll be unstoppable.
Know, it was really more just

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like, Hey, we're doing this, why
not try to make something fun

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out of it, even if it's just a
hobby that is for ourselves, we

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never really expected and much
too.

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Come of it.
I mean, I remember one day we

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were like, can you imagine if we
ever had like a thousand

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subscribers?
Like, what if we read 10,000

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subscribers?
That would be crazy.

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That's not even real.
And now here we are.

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Yeah, it's been, it'll be five
years.

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This June that we've been
working on the channel.

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And, I mean, it still feels new
though.

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Feels like we just started it
yesterday, and it also feels

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like we've been doing it for
forever because the community is

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so amazing, and they just feel
like family.

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And I can't imagine, you know,
doing anything else to be

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honest.
True.

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I had always kind of been
looking well, not always for,

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for a couple years.
I had had the idea of a YouTube

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channel in my head and I was
kind of looking for the right

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person to do it along with me,
because I knew that I wasn't

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going to do it solo scouted me.
Yeah.

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So then when Sarah came along, I
was like, ah, this we met for a

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reason.
Yes, let's let's do this.

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Let's do this YouTube thing so
it just made sense you know.

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Of course we spent a lot of time
together and there was bourbon

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Moved, you know what trips
travel and just got to know each

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other over time and you know
eventually Chiapas like so do

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you want to get married or what?
Yes, I just came down to the

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courthouse.
Then no.

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I mean, I definitely thought
about it but no we ended up

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doing the whole big thing and it
was like, what the fall of 2019.

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So literally one of the last big
events that we did before we got

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out in under the wire and right?
Yeah.

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Yeah logs and say you guys are
located in Lexington.

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One of the my favorite weddings
that I've ever officiated was

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right in Triangle Park.
Right downtown.

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It was like in the middle of
December, at midnight and I did

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a wedding for battle and there's
like 50 people there and it was

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a blast, that's awesome.
So I will say, what, what Brad

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was talking about is a perfect
segue because as I was reading

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your background and kind of the
Inception of this, this YouTube

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channel.
I realized that we actually had

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a ton of overlap because Brad,
And I were actually going to

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grad school in Wilmore while you
guys were starting this Channel.

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And so when I was reading like,
you know, some interviews that

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Sarah had done where she talked
about starting this bourbon bar

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was like, oh my gosh, that has
to be 0, BC kitchen, right?

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And and then I realized that was
the first bourbon bar I ever

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went to that was where I kind of
fell in love with bourbon and I

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remember going there with my
wife and looking at the awesome

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b-roll that was playing on the
TVs.

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And and now knowing that that
was Chad Film that.

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And that Sarah, you were like
launching that bourbon bar.

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Like that's, it's just
incredible to me.

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Like, I used to go there as a
poor grad student, and wait

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until the kitchen closed at
10:00 and asked them if they had

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any more, you know, bacon with
peanut butter to dip it in and

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they would just give it to me
and it was like, heaven.

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So, I feel like I have to
express my gratitude for that

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place to both of you for making
it so special to me.

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Well, they're not supposed to
feed Strays know.

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That's so nice to hear, you
know, that's it.

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Yeah, it's sometimes it, I
forget until we take people back

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there when they come in town to
visit because like we just don't

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get out that much anymore.
Sure ably.

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But whenever we do end up going
there and I see that video.

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I mean it's definitely gives you
the feels because I'm like well

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this is where it all began.
Yeah, we okay, if it hadn't been

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for that place we probably never
would have met so probably not.

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That's awesome.
It's very special.

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It's wild because it really
speaks to like what the heart of

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the Community is all about that.
It is all about bringing people

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together, to share great
experiences and sometimes, you

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never know, it leads to love and
sometimes it leads to us talking

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about serial killer movies tag
on, right?

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It does Brad.
This is your first time watching

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The Silence of the Lambs.
It's time for us to move into

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the segment that we call Brad
explains.

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This is where Brad breaks down
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has just seen often for the
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The whole conceit behind this
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movie nerd.
Brad has not seen a lot of these

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classic movies and is
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A lot of them for the first time
and we drink whiskey together

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while we talk about it.
So, Brad, this is your shining

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opportunity to talk about this
movie that has terrified you

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from childhood.
As you know, Brad we have

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implemented a strict 62nd.
Brad explains limit this this

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season.
Can you break down the plot of

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The Silence of the Lambs for our
listeners in under 60 seconds,

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man?
I was really hoping to like have

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as much time as possible and
just be like we start alone,

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Jodie, Foster running through
the woods, right?

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Yeah, but I would love to
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The Silence of the Lambs is a
psychological Thriller about a

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young FBI's student named
Clarice Starling, who is tasked

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with interviewing, an old serial
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Hannibal Lecter.
And Hannibal is helping her to

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solve a case.
Case that is happening.

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Now the new sillier serial
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Bill who is skinning?
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And so the relationship between
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centerpiece of the movie.
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psychiatrist.
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Hannibal Lecter.
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history and her past and trying
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find anything interesting to go
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stuck in.
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the movie Hannibal, kind of a
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prison.
He escaped skills.

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Some guards, wears a face and
Jodie Foster finds her way with

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Hannibal's, help to the new
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able to hunt down and kill the
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his lair, and time in his lair.
Perfect it.

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Yeah, I was trying not to say
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I'll tell you what man that she
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Most states.
Do you need a serial killers

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dwellings?
Yeah, I know.

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Yeah but I have to end with one
of the greatest ending lines in

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the history of Cinema.
I'm having an old friend for

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dinner.
Oh, it's so good.

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Okay, so I just have to share
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And I watch this, what would you
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Now, I would say it was, at
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Yeah, probably a month ago.
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bit too far.
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we were excited.
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we hadn't seen in a long time.
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let's watch one of those recap
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just to refresh our memories and
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This guy who was doing it, it
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Recaps and five minutes.
He ruined ruined ruined the the

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best line he said.
And then Hannibal Lecter says,

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I'm having an old friend over
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No, that's not the law.
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the line that pisses me off,
actually, yeah.

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But, um, yeah, I mean,
everything about that line.

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It's the way Hopkins delivers
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Like he just has this perfect
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Annunciation that leaves.
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No room for thinking anything
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do?
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Well Brad, I think that's a
really good transition into

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talking about the performances
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should really focus on the
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Three kind of main characters
here in Lecter, Starling and

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Buffalo Bill.
And since you've already brought

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up Anthony Hopkins let's talk
about Hannibal Lecter he is one

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of the most iconic villains in
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Anthony Hopkins wins the act of
best actor Oscar despite only

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being in the movie for I think
20 minutes like and and the

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funny thing is he totally
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only on screen for 20 minutes.
I mean, this is going to sound

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stupid to rhyme but like I was
Through the whole movie, The

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Specter of him is hanging over
the whole movie and I wish I

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could think of a better word
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like it really does.
Like there's just this sense

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that at all times he is
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There's this this sense of dread
that comes over you knowing that

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he's out there after he escapes.
It is a commanding performance

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from Anthony Hopkins.
But I will say the thing that

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really struck me this time
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that what makes it rewatchable
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just, when he's kind of toying
with Clarice, it's how Sassy he

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is at times and how kind of
snarky he is.

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You can really tell that Hopkins
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And that, even though he's a
terrifying villain, he really

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does kind of have an ease about
him as well.

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Oh yeah.
There's a few moments especially

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early with him where I actually
like almost laughed out loud

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with some of his dialogue.
Like he's so The end sharp in

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his in the way he delivers his
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script in this movie is over all
like it's pretty good.

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It's not the best script I've
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However the writing for Hannibal
is just so good, it's just over

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the top and its ability to
capture this, this insanely

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precise mind that thinks through
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Brad.
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really really loved is the way
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You know you're coming down that
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Full of just deranged
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progressively more and more
violent in their behavior

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towards Clarice.
And you know that this guy is at

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the end of the hall and you're
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from her point of view and all
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around the corner and you just
see, Anthony Hopkins standing

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there, calmly passively and like
he doesn't look imposing at all.

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And when he says hello it's like
a very cordial.

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Like hello.
And you're like Who is this?

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This is the serial killer and
then they use the rest of that

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scene to just slowly crank up
the tension and it gets to the

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point where like he's really mad
that she has been sent to screw

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with him and he decides to toy
with her instead and it really

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becomes like this kind of
psychological torture throughout

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that scene.
And then let you know later on

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when you find out that he's been
like whispering to the guy in

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the cell next to him to the
point where he swallows his own

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tongue is super believable
because you've Seen already, how

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much damage and how much torture
he can do to Clarice.

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Just in that one little sequence
that they have, yeah, and I love

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villains like that.
That, you know, he's as you

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said, as she's walking down the
hall, they're basically like Mad

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Dogs and then you come to
Hannibal and he's, you know,

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just very calm and collected.
I love villains like that

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because obviously, he's the most
deadly of all of them and that

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entire hallway, but he's the
most composed and those type of

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villain In cinema I think are
the more compelling of course.

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Yeah he feels like this Moriarty
type of villain that's just so

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far beyond everyone else that
you're like how did he even get

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captured in the first place?
I read a fun fact that Anthony

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Hopkins convinced the director
that has jumped through jumpsuit

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should be white instead of
orange because it would be more

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unsettling like to see the stark
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that instead of the orange and I
don't know why.

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But I, when I thought about that
I was Like, actually, I think

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that it was a good choice
because it does.

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It feels weird like a little
off-kilter, like why absolutely

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put him in white.
It also makes them feel a little

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less pedestrian.
Like, if it was just orange, you

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would just feel like a normal,
right?

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Your everyday, their criminal.
Yeah, exactly.

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White White's, almost more like
it like elevates him, you know,

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as like a drape jacket or yes.
I'll mmm.

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Yes, very much.
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So Chad, I want to ask your
opinion on something as a

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videographer especially there's
a thing that the Of this movie.

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Jonathan Demi is known for, and
they call it the Demi close-up.

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And if you notice every time
there's a close up in this

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movie, or almost every time, the
characters that are being shot

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are looking straight down the
barrel of the camera.

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They're essentially breaking the
fourth wall and it's not

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something that you see in a lot
of movies, like, you try to keep

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eyelines consistent, and you try
not to break the 180 degree

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rule, they call it.
But in this movie, you are put

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directly in the position of
whoever is, you know, listening

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to the person in the close-up
and when it's on Hannibal Lecter

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and he is staring right down
into your soul it is incredibly

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unsettling.
So I mean I guess I just wanted

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to pick your brain.
Did you notice the camera work

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in that aspect and what other
kind of visual things stood out

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to you in the movie?
Yeah I think Sara and I both

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kind of picked up on that pretty
quickly and it's really I think

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to kind of comment on how
Clarice is being observed.

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Yep.
I by men in the The because she

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is always looking off to the
side and people are always

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looking directly into the camera
when they're speaking to her.

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And it's really the only time
that Jodie Foster looks directly

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to the camera as when she's
talking to her female friend.

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I think they're like doing
laundry.

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I think they're sitting on like
a washer and dryer or something

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and they're going over the case
files.

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And she looks directly into the
camera, which is her friend and

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her friend looks directly into
the camera which is to Clarice.

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But every other time, if it's
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it's a man talking to her and
she's always the one with the

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eye line off.
And I thought that's obviously

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very deliberate and I think it's
something that the audience can

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pretty easily pick up on.
Well, and one of my favorite

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interactions.
I'm so glad you brought up how

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men observe her throughout the
movie, because one of the key

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things that you know, Hannibal
talks about is this idea of

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sight, like what do we see, we
see what we want and it brings

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in this idea of covetousness was
the first in principle thing.

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He does.
What needs does he serve by

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killing anger?
Um, social acceptance?

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Sexual frustrations know it
cuts.

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That is his nature.
And how do we begin to covered

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Clarice?
Do we seek out things to

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covered?
Make an effort to answer now.

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Now, we just now we begin by
coveting.

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What we see every day.
And it feels like all of these

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men in the movie have so many
different various feelings.

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When they see Jodie Foster
walking into the room.

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And yet, the only person in the
entire movie, gee that really

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truly respects Jodie Foster for
who she is and treats her.

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Like, she's really brilliant is
Hannibal.

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Yeah, like she kind of gets that
from her boss.

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The, I can't remember his name
right now, who's the guy that

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like calls her in Jack cross?
Yeah, Scott Glenn is the actor.

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Yeah.
Sky.

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Yeah.
Just got Glen.

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So Crawford calls her in.
He kind of treats her with with

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respect and he learns to do
that.

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You know, she basically tells
him like, Hey, like, if you

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treat me like crap.
Nobody else's today, but but

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it's just fascinating to me that
the only person who looks her

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dead in the eye and not just for
her.

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Physical beauty is Hannibal
Lecter, and he's the one who who

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treats her well and I that I
think things like that are what

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make a script even better?
Yeah, I think that's what's the

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most disturbing for me.
I mean, when you think about it,

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because they present him in that
way, is like the only person who

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really tries to get to know her
the only person.

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Who's like really super direct
with her.

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As like he, he's the most
terrifying man in the movie and

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yet, we feel like he's giving
her, I don't know, the most

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respect the most, like
acknowledgement and then there's

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all these other people in her
life who are who, you know,

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should be co-workers or bosses
or whatever and be respectful.

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And then we see, like Chad was
saying, like, just, there's like

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the elevator scene where
everyone's bigger than Her and

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00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:21,800
she's made to feel small and
then there's the scene at the

449
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800
morgue.
We're like everyone turns and

450
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,500
looks at her at once.
There's just all these scenes

451
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,500
were, she's definitely not in
the same position as she is when

452
00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:33,800
she's talking to Hannibal.
But that's weird because he is a

453
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,800
terrifying serial killer.
Yeah, very polite.

454
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,500
And I'm so glad that everyone
like is picking up on this too

455
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:41,700
because I definitely noticed it
this time.

456
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:47,500
Jonathan Demi is perfectly
willing to kind of get out of

457
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:51,100
the rhythm of the editing.
And in order to Showcase that to

458
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:53,100
like and it made me think about,
there's, you know, there's this

459
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,400
concept in, like, film studies.
That's called the male gaze.

460
00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:00,800
And essentially, it's when a
director, who is usually a male

461
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,000
is using the camera in a way
that a man would look at a

462
00:25:07,008 --> 00:25:08,900
woman.
Lustfully, so like, if you think

463
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:13,100
about the way that Michael Bay
would film Megan, Fox in the

464
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:16,400
Transformers movies where it's
just super objectifying the

465
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,900
camera.
Lingers in places that it

466
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:21,900
shouldn't linger.
And this movie, it is all about

467
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,300
the male gaze, but it's totally
condemning it.

468
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800
And so, like, you have these
scenes where it's like, two

469
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,300
characters are talking and then
like one character will walk off

470
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,000
screen and the camera will just
Linger on the second person for

471
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,500
a while.
And you're kind of wondering,

472
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800
like, why didn't they cut away
their but as the movie kind of

473
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,400
builds and they do it more and
more, you start to realize that

474
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Demi is doing this thing where
he is like implicating all of

475
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,700
the men in the movie in being
just huge, creeps and huge pervs

476
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,100
like there.
There's even A little scene

477
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,500
where it's Kasi Lemmons and
Jodie, Foster are just out for a

478
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:58,100
jog and all of the the male FBI
trainees who jog past them?

479
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,100
Alternately turn around.
Yeah, all of them do.

480
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,000
It's like that Meme.
Yeah, absolutely.

481
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,600
And I just, I really love that,
you know, even the people who

482
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000
you think are trustworthy people
like at the very end of the

483
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,100
movie, there's another guy that
graduates, the academy with

484
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:15,500
them, and he like, he grabs, one
of them and says, hey, let's

485
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,200
take a picture together, and you
can tell how uncomfortable she

486
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,800
is and I just, I really love
that.

487
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,400
They subtly worked this critique
into the movie that even while

488
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,400
we're looking at the things that
Buffalo Bill is doing to these

489
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,000
people.
He is not, you know so far down

490
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,400
the road that we can't identify
what's driving him.

491
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:40,600
Like it's very perverse but that
perversity is is present in a

492
00:26:40,608 --> 00:26:44,300
lot of people in this movie.
Yeah, I think you totally hit

493
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,300
the nail on the head.
There like we're seeing Buffalo

494
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,800
Bill as being like the extreme
version of this but then the

495
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,600
rest of The movie is filled with
everyday instances of things

496
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,700
that are in the same vein but
not as Extreme as what he's

497
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,000
doing, right?
Yeah, and can we talk about the

498
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,800
Bug Guy?
Remember when she goes to get

499
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,800
the moth as a mom?
Yeah she goes to get the mop

500
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400
identified at like a library or
it's some sort of a.

501
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,700
So one of the actors, they're
one of the two bug guys book

502
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:16,100
scientist was caused by one bug
idea bug guy to he was

503
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,900
cross-eyed in one eye and he was
looking at I think that had to

504
00:27:19,908 --> 00:27:23,200
be on purpose, right?
There's no they wouldn't have

505
00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:27,700
just casted that actor just
because right so his right eye

506
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:31,600
was looking in and his left eye
was looking at Clarisse.

507
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,500
Yeah, and I don't know what that
could be like a commentary on

508
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,800
though, but I agree with you.
It had to be intentional because

509
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,200
he asked her out.
He asks her out and he comes

510
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,800
across very nice.
So I think it's fair to do a

511
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,700
job.
Yeah.

512
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,000
So it's like is he being nice?
Is he being a creep?

513
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Were not really sure because he
sort of, in the middle.

514
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,300
All right, your he's sort of in
the middle like his eyes.

515
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,400
Well, yeah, exactly.
Oh my gosh, I am like I'm

516
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
nerding out over here right now.
I'm so happy that we're breaking

517
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
down this movie at such a deep
level.

518
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,400
But before we go to break, Brad,
I do want to hit on these other

519
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,300
two performances.
Especially let's talk about

520
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,600
Jodie Foster because we've been
talking about the way everyone

521
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200
in the movie, looks at her, you
know, Brad and I were texting

522
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,400
before we recorded this episode,
I kind of asked him what his

523
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,300
General thoughts on the movie
were, and of course, on your

524
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,700
first viewing, Anthony Hopkins.
As Hannibal Lecter is really

525
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,700
going to stand out but for me,
you know, having seen this movie

526
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,900
a few times.
Now, I think the best

527
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,800
performance to re-watch is
Jodie, Foster because she is

528
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,900
doing just so much subtle stuff
in her performance, where it's

529
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,500
almost like, you know, because
her character goes from being a

530
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:42,200
little more timid to a little
more assertive, you see that

531
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,600
slow transformation throughout
the movie, but also just as an

532
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,200
actress, I think she knows that
some of these other

533
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,900
performances.
Are much bigger and much more

534
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,000
showy.
Like Hannibal Lecter is a big

535
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,900
showy performance, Buffalo
Bills, a big showy performance.

536
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,500
And she's really just content in
a lot of scenes to kind of

537
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,800
support that other person and I
really her performance really

538
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,900
blew me away this time.
I mean, it was she absolutely

539
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,600
deserved the Oscar that she won
but I think in a lot of ways she

540
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000
even tops.
What Anthony Hopkins is doing

541
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800
here.
Well what I think what was

542
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,200
really truly amazing about her.
Her It's is the fact that she

543
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,200
plays this dichotomy.
So well-liked, in the face of

544
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,600
99% of the characters of the
movie, she comes across as a

545
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,400
slightly demure, but confident
young woman who recognizes that

546
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400
she is a student who recognizes
that.

547
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,100
She's, you know, not like a top,
detective at the FBI.

548
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:44,300
She's just kind of there to do
her job and she's kind of cool.

549
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:49,400
Calm confident and relaxed.
But when it comes to Hannibal

550
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000
the only person who truly
respects her in this movie, he

551
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
is the only one where you see
the other side of her

552
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,100
performance.
And I think that is what gives

553
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,200
her performance strength is
those moments where she breaks

554
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600
down just in the slightest.
Because Hannibal is actually

555
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,300
paying attention to her is
actually like looking into her

556
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:13,000
soul and trying to dig at things
that have been bothering her her

557
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600
entire life.
And so, I think it's that

558
00:30:15,608 --> 00:30:19,100
dichotomy of a performance where
She presents this front to the

559
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:23,600
entire world, except for the
serial killer that like, that is

560
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
what makes her performance?
So powerful.

561
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,600
Yeah.
And I thinking about that, I was

562
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,000
wondering, like this kind of
goes against what we were just

563
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
talking about, but the front
that she puts out, right?

564
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,100
Is a form of control, right?
She's in all these situations

565
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:43,000
with coworkers and things and so
she's putting that forward as

566
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,700
like that is her way of
controlling the situation but I

567
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:50,000
think when she's with Hannah, He
gets below the surface and into

568
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,100
her past at things that I think
throw her off kilter and she

569
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,900
loses control.
And I think that's what brings

570
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:56,700
out those elements of her
character.

571
00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:00,400
That are so interesting of like,
who is she, when, when she's not

572
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,500
putting that mask on?
Yeah, for sure.

573
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,600
And then, so I think we go from
the most complex character in

574
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,300
the movie.
In Clarisse to the least complex

575
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:13,800
character in a lot of ways in
Buffalo Bill, and I feel like

576
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,600
they try to do a lot to set him
up, like, they talked about his

577
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,400
motivation.
Ins.

578
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,100
They talk about, you know,
there's a lot of conversation

579
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,300
about like, is he transsexual?
No, he's not.

580
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,600
He just wants to, you know,
metamorphose into something

581
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200
else.
And and I was really looking

582
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200
forward to them getting a little
bit more in-depth with his

583
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,500
character, but they never really
do.

584
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,400
And I think, if I do have one
complaint with the movie, it's

585
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,600
that they spend so much time
developing the Hannibal, Lecter

586
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,600
and Clarice relationship that
Buffalo Bills.

587
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,900
Really, not in the movie that
much like he comes in.

588
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,300
I think like 30.
I 40 minutes into the movie and

589
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,700
he really only has like, three
long scenes and that's it.

590
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,100
And so, like by the 2/3 point
where Hannibal Lecter escapes

591
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,900
from his cell and they really
shift hard into the Buffalo Bill

592
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:02,400
stuff.
I didn't find that.

593
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,600
Like as I don't know as
compelling as I wished it was

594
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,900
because it really did seem like
a hard left.

595
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,000
Turn into okay.
Now we're going to follow this

596
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,700
guy who we haven't really set up
very well.

597
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,400
And we haven't really given you
a lot to work with.

598
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,900
I don't know.
Did you guys have the same vibe?

599
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,900
You know, it's a balancing act
with those three characters and

600
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:22,400
of course this is based off a
book.

601
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,800
So the book Dives more into his
past but it's kind of like do

602
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,800
you try to flush out three
characters to the detriment of

603
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,500
them?
Not getting flushed out as much

604
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:37,700
or do you really flush out
Clarice and Hannibal and kind of

605
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:42,300
put bill on the back burner just
so you don't have an overstuffed

606
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,800
movie.
I bet there was you know,

607
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800
discussion discussion about
that.

608
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,100
But You know, through through
the Buffalo Bill stuff, we're

609
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,400
still with Clarice, at least
they're in the end and I think

610
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,300
it's more about the stories more
about her triumphed over that,

611
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,500
you know, being out in the field
with such a danger for the first

612
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,200
time then it is about Buffalo
Bill himself.

613
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,800
Yeah, yeah.
I think one of the, the problems

614
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,300
with Buffalo Bill is a character
is the one specific moment where

615
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,500
it gives a close-up on his?
Oops, and he just says, multiple

616
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,300
times in a row.
Like would you f me?

617
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Like and he just kind of repeats
that over and over goes.

618
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Yeah, yeah I would and I for me,
that was just this reduction of

619
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,200
him as like, oh, he's just a
sexual deviant.

620
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Like you've been, you've been
given This brilliant mind of

621
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,700
Hannibal Lecter who just is
immaculate in the way he thinks

622
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:49,800
about things and it just feels
like A bill is a crude cheap

623
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,100
imitation of Hannibal Lecter and
I don't know, maybe they were

624
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:57,600
trying to go for that but for me
then it kind of lessened, the

625
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,000
impact of of what you were going
for with Buffalo Bill as a

626
00:34:01,008 --> 00:34:02,000
serial killer.
Yeah.

627
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Brad, I think that's that's a
good point.

628
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,100
And that's kind of giving voice
to what I was thinking too, and

629
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,800
I think that that Ted Levine who
plays Buffalo Bill is fantastic.

630
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,100
I think he really plays that
role.

631
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,000
Well, he brings a little bit of
nuance to that character.

632
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,300
That isn't really there on the
page, but you're right.

633
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,900
I think like especially setting
it up where you see Hannibal

634
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:25,199
escape and you know that this
criminal mastermind is out there

635
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,400
in the world somewhere that just
kind of cutting back to Buffalo

636
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,500
Bill and finding out like you
said that they're kind of just

637
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:36,300
reducing him to being a sexual
deviant like he never really had

638
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:41,300
the the threat of Hannibal.
Like I always felt more

639
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,199
threatened by Hannibal than I
did by Buffalo Bill and I do

640
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,300
think that like, if there is
something to nitpick with this,

641
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,000
It would be the way they handle
that.

642
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,699
Yeah I mean Hannibal as a threat
like I think the way you can sum

643
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,500
him up as a threat is that at
the end of the movie you know,

644
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,200
right before he delivers the you
know, one of the best ending

645
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,700
lines of all time.
He says, what I think to be, why

646
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:09,100
he is a threat and he says to
Clarisse oh don't worry, you

647
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,000
know, I am not going to call,
you know call a visit or pay a

648
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
visit to you.
The world is much more

649
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,100
interesting with you in it.
And the threat there is, if I

650
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,700
didn't think you were
interesting I could kill you

651
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
know, like no questions asked.
There's no way anybody could

652
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,100
stop me, but I think the world's
more interesting with you in it.

653
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,600
So I'll leave you be for now,
it's like this ultimate power

654
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,800
play.
That is just so calmly and

655
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,100
coolly delivered that yeah,
Buffalo.

656
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:44,100
Bill just isn't really even a
threat compared to Hannibal

657
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,700
Lecter.
He's definitely more

658
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,900
two-dimensional and I think that
they try to get there.

659
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Obviously, again, like Chad
said, it comes from the books,

660
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,800
but like, they bring up things
that allude to like, why is he,

661
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,300
the way he is, what kind of, you
know, he's going through some

662
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,900
sort of transformation.
Obviously, he's in some sort of

663
00:36:03,908 --> 00:36:06,800
stage of psychosis and like they
connect the transformative stuff

664
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,500
back to the moth and like the
Cocoon to the full-blown moth

665
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,600
and all that stuff.
But I agree, I think as somebody

666
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,800
who really likes to learn About
serial killers and why they do

667
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,500
what they do.
I do feel like they really

668
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,500
didn't deliver on connecting the
dots all the way around on on

669
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:28,500
him and like why is he so scary?
Because he is the headline

670
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,900
murderer of the movie.
Even though Hannibal's this

671
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,100
technically comes across the
scariest.

672
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:35,700
He's for the most part of the
movie.

673
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:40,200
He's in a prison cell locked up
in in someone else's control.

674
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,500
So we have this guy out there
running all the loose and yet

675
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,800
somehow he comes across as less
scary.

676
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:46,900
Yep.
I think it kind of makes sense

677
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,300
when you think about it, because
it's a more nuanced script that

678
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:55,200
way.
Like if Hannibal Lecter is the

679
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,500
boss battle, okay?
And Buffalo Bill, my language.

680
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:04,700
Yeah, Buffalo build is, you
know, just an end level Baddie,

681
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,600
Buffalo Bill can be defeated,
but Hannibal cannot.

682
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,600
So you know, it's kind of
scarier that way.

683
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,100
Like yeah, there's these
Psychopaths.

684
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,300
Out there who are just sexual
deviants, like you said, reduced

685
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:25,600
to something as simple as that.
And then there's the real,

686
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,100
intellects that are much scarier
because they are both a genius

687
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,200
and a killer that will not be
caught.

688
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,900
The cannot be caught.
Whether it's, you know, from

689
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:43,000
Clarice or anyone else of her
colleagues, I think that kind of

690
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,300
it makes it Less of,
everything's tied up in a nice

691
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:48,000
neat.
Bow.

692
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,700
At the end of the movie.
Yeah, you got the bad guy but

693
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,700
you didn't get the big bad.
Yeah.

694
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,900
Yeah.
Wow guys.

695
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,800
I am so enjoying talking about
this movie.

696
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,300
We are like really deep into
talking about this movie at this

697
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,300
point.
I don't want to press pause, but

698
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:06,900
we do need to get to our whiskey
for the day.

699
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,300
So what do you all say?
We tried this old tub.

700
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,300
Let's do it.
Do I have to drink out of a tub?

701
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:48,700
Not not today.
All right, so today we are

702
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,900
checking out old tub.
Now, this is a bottled in bond

703
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,000
bourbon that comes from the Jim
Beam company Brad.

704
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,500
This has a really interesting
backstory, I will spare everyone

705
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,900
the Gory details of the rich
history of this hundred proof

706
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:06,600
bourbon, but for a long time,
they were only selling this as

707
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,200
kind of like a touristy visitor,
special thing, you can only get

708
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,500
it at one of their distilleries.
It was the one in Clermont

709
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,500
Kentucky.
And so if you wanted, you could

710
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,400
buy a pint of old tub for like
20 bucks.

711
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:19,100
X.
And when you and I went to

712
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,700
Kentucky, a couple years ago, I
really wanted to get up there

713
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,500
and try this old tub.
I'd heard really good things

714
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,200
about it, for being kind of a
budget.

715
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,700
Bargain whiskey, we didn't get a
chance to and then all the

716
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,600
sudden, they decided we're going
to take this brand National and

717
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,200
so they have, you know gone are
they have upgraded from having

718
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000
just pints of it to offering
them in a fifth.

719
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,700
It is still an incredibly
affordable bourbon.

720
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,100
We'll get into what we think of
the price on this.

721
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:49,100
And if it's worth buying Brad,
You heard of old tub before we

722
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:52,600
worked it into the show here?
No, nice.

723
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,400
There it is.
No.

724
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,300
But Bob, I had not heard of old
tub before.

725
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:01,100
And honestly, there was part of
me that was like, man, you just,

726
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,800
you hear certain names of
Whiskey's and you're like, oh,

727
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,500
that's going to be a cheap
whiskey, isn't it?

728
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,700
When you hear the name old tub?
You don't necessarily think like

729
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,300
yes, this is a Glenmore geoduck,
right?

730
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,100
Great.
But, but at the same time, Brad

731
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:21,600
you And I are huge fans of
getting a whiskey for a steal

732
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
and I think this really could
qualify depending on what we

733
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,700
think of it.
Now again, coming from Jim Beam.

734
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:30,600
It is said to have that
signature Jim Beam kind of

735
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,500
nuttiness that you get on the
nose and on the taste you know

736
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,800
we have that Brad when we looked
at not Creek.

737
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
When we looked at you know
Booker's they all really have

738
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
that sort of signature Jim Beam
flavor profile.

739
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,900
So as all of us get into the
nose here.

740
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,100
What are some of the notes that
you're picking Brad is that

741
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,500
nuttiness coming out for you
know, really?

742
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,300
Really.
Yeah, it's like jumping out of

743
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,300
it is for me.
No judgment but you're wrong.

744
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,300
Yeah 100% right, I'm sorry.
Tell him, just kidding.

745
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,600
Tell him what we have for him.
It's a lovely Parting Gift,

746
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,700
right.
Ya know for me I come to the

747
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,600
nose and it's a little bit
potent.

748
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,800
I feel like it hits me a little
strong.

749
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,500
I try to blow out some of that
alcohol and it's just lingering

750
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,400
for me.
I get I get some nice vanilla.

751
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:22,200
Nila some Oak little bit of corn
but I'm not hitting a ton of

752
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,000
nuttiness.
It's not coming out for me for

753
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,600
me, the nose here.
It's not enough of something to

754
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,800
make me like it so I'm going to
give it a 5 out of 10 on the

755
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,400
new.
Wow.

756
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,300
Yeah.
Brett, I'm having a completely

757
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:39,500
different experience and I know
for a fact we're drinking the

758
00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:41,900
same whiskey because I gave you
a sample out of my bottle of

759
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,500
this.
And for me this is all just

760
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:48,800
peanuts and like, really waxy
kind of nuts like Like cashews.

761
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,500
There is like you said, there's
some Oak here.

762
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:54,100
I don't get a lot of Oak Char,
it's kind of like a younger

763
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,200
would smell to me and you're
right.

764
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,800
Like, it's a little bit
aggressive on the nose, there's

765
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,200
definitely some alcohol present.
But at 100 proof, I would expect

766
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,700
that I really dig this, this
nosing profile here.

767
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:07,800
I'm actually going to give this
an 8 out of 10 now.

768
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,200
Are you guys drinking out of the
same type of glass?

769
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,100
I'm, yeah, I'm drinking out of a
glen care and I believe Brad is

770
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:14,800
too.
Yep.

771
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:19,200
So mine's been sitting out for a
bit, so I might be having a

772
00:42:19,207 --> 00:42:22,700
different experience than you,
but I kind of having more of

773
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,700
Bob's experience.
I'm getting like nuttiness on

774
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:29,400
the nose but for me it's more
pecans and I'm getting like,

775
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,900
salted, caramel and pecans,
which I find that sounds

776
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:37,200
delicious to me right now.
Yeah, I get what you're saying,

777
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,700
there's more, you know, but of
alcohol coming through.

778
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,900
But I think for the price and
the proof that is also to be

779
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,300
expected.
But for me, it screams Jim Beam,

780
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,200
sure and I was, I was kind of
getting, you know, sort of some

781
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,300
powerful ethanol on it when I
was first really nosing it.

782
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:59,800
So what I did is I just blew
into my glass, it's kind of did

783
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,100
that sound effects and then I
went back and it's it's not it's

784
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,600
not as hard as she more if you
do that.

785
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,500
And actually after I did that, I
kind of got some popcorn.

786
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,700
So I think it is that going to
you're talking about but

787
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:14,400
specifically like buttered
popcorn along with The nuttiness

788
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,400
that's obviously there.
I kind of feel like those are

789
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,300
almost Givens on on a Jim Beam.
But yeah, caramel corn.

790
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,000
What do you think out of 10?
I gave it.

791
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,500
I mean, it's yeah, I gave it a
7.

792
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:31,400
I can be seven, it is good but
you know I've we've also smelled

793
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000
some exceptional stuff, right?
Yeah, you know if I'm thinking

794
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,300
of all of all time it is it's
smells nice that yeah yeah.

795
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:41,500
I think that caramel is coming
across from me a little bit more

796
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,700
as like a Coca-Cola kind of nose
and eye.

797
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:47,600
I like that: note as well.
So you both went seven on this.

798
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Brad went five, I went eight.
Alright, so we have our first

799
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,600
score here and that means that
it's time for us to taste it.

800
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,700
So let's all give it a sip and
Brad, I'm sure that you've

801
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,400
already been sipping on it and
ready to just eviscerate it

802
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,500
based on your nose score.
So what do you picking up here

803
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:04,900
on the taste?
Honestly, it's not as bad on the

804
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:07,100
palate as it is on the nose for
me.

805
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,100
There's a decent bit of vanilla
coming through for me.

806
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,400
That, that hit me on the aroma
here.

807
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,700
I get a little bit more of that.
Caramel a little more buttery,

808
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:21,100
smooth of a flavor profile.
Then I had on the nose, it's

809
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:25,200
still not popping for me or like
overwhelming me, but I'm going

810
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,200
to bump my score up a little
bit.

811
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,400
I'll give it a six and a half.
I'm getting a little bit of that

812
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,200
nuttiness that I was getting on
the nose.

813
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,100
I still think for me, it's in
like a lighter nuttiness like a

814
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:37,400
pecan, maybe like a walnut or
something like that.

815
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,800
But now that coming off of our
you know knows notes, I actually

816
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,900
get the cola That you mentioned
and it's almost like a and I

817
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,300
don't really drink soda that
much.

818
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:50,800
So for me, it's reminding me of
something, like, a chocolaty

819
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,000
vanilla Cola, or like at the
bottom of a root beer float, or

820
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,900
something like that, with some
of those Okie notes to.

821
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:02,200
Yeah, I I'm glad you said root
beer Sarah because with this

822
00:45:02,207 --> 00:45:05,400
whole, when the whole Cola
discussion got brought up Bob, I

823
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,800
was kind of like, yeah, okay, I
can.

824
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,400
And then it kind of went in that
area almost like a root beer

825
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,600
float because there is that
vanilla in there.

826
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,900
So I'm kind of Like when a root
beer float, kind of Frost's, and

827
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,700
you just sort of before you get
to the real Cola part, you kind

828
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,800
of drink that froth, that's sort
of what I'm getting for the

829
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,600
nuttiness it's sort of like for
me it's a cross between like a

830
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,600
salted peanut and dry pecan.
Hmm, But I am getting the right

831
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,400
Spice in there.
The butter popcorn caramel and a

832
00:45:34,408 --> 00:45:36,300
little bit of brittle sort of in
them.

833
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,300
Chad, wow.
Yeah, which is, you know, pretty

834
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,500
pretty just the movies.
Yeah, let's all go.

835
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Hobbies, it's all good.
I don't know about the rest of

836
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200
you but I'm picking up almost
all the notes that you're

837
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,400
talking about here, but I also
wouldn't really classify this as

838
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,300
an overly sweet bourbon.
Like a all, the notes were

839
00:45:56,300 --> 00:46:00,000
talking about our sweet things
but disliked the lingering notes

840
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400
for me on this, I think this is
really alcohol forward and mean,

841
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,800
it isn't a hundred proof and
Brad and I have talked before

842
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,500
about how sometimes things in
this kind of hundred. 210 prove

843
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:15,000
range, the alcohol can seem more
harsh than than a barrel proof

844
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,800
for some reason.
And I really do think the

845
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,300
alcohol is front and center
here.

846
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,300
And the oak is really front and
center here.

847
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,900
I get a lot of that kind of like
Sarah.

848
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:24,700
You talked about chocolate a
little bit too.

849
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,500
I do get some kind of dark
chocolate notes on this as well.

850
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,900
And you know it does have your
classic bourbon profile.

851
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,200
But again like I don't think
that it tips into like,

852
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,400
lingering sweetness on the
palate.

853
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,000
I'm only going to give this one
like a six and a half on the

854
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,400
palate.
Same shock.

855
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,500
Oh man, are we all in a
six-and-a-half?

856
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,500
No, I'm at a seven and a half
how big?

857
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:51,600
I think I know.
And I might be kind of unfairly

858
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,300
rating.
It knowing what the prices and

859
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:55,600
yeah, that.
Yeah.

860
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,000
But I gave it a 7 half.
I think for a and I'm kind of

861
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,500
comparing it to other bottled
and bonds and its price range,

862
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,000
which I probably am.
Italy.

863
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,700
Shouldn't be doing.
But I'm kind of thinking of the

864
00:47:06,707 --> 00:47:09,900
Evan Williams bald and bond.
I'm thinking of jts brown, I'm

865
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:16,600
thinking Of JW dant and but
except maybe everybody's bought

866
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,800
in a bond.
I think it's kind of going above

867
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,300
those other guys.
So I don't know, I think for,

868
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,600
for an ancho filtered bi bi it's
got a taste of a 7.5 for me and

869
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,500
that rhymed uh well so here's
the thing, chat on the nose, we

870
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,000
judged it.
Based on what's the 10/10?

871
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,100
The best thing we've ever known.
I know that's why I bet on the

872
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:40,000
taste your leg well compared to
other bottom and I don't

873
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,900
disagree.
With you if we this was just

874
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,700
mine site compared to other
bottle to Mom's, I would have

875
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:47,500
also given this higher score but
I thought we were doing just in

876
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,200
general.
Well we are tell you what I'm

877
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,200
going to take it down to seven
even good.

878
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Seven look what I've done was it
we are wildly inconsistent in

879
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
how we scored things because oh
yeah.

880
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,100
Because like we always say that
we're trying to be objective and

881
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,300
like you said Sarah like based
on the best we've ever had but

882
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,400
it is impossible to not keep the
price tag in mind when you're

883
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,200
drinking something that's on the
cheaper end of the spectrum and

884
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,500
so weird because A 25-dollar
whisky isn't supposed to taste

885
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,000
like a 200 dollar whiskey.
Like, they're not supposed to be

886
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800
comparable.
Yeah.

887
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,500
So as I think it's fair.
Exactly.

888
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:22,500
And that takes us from our taste
scores into our finished scores,

889
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,200
I guess, I'll just go first real
quick.

890
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,100
I don't think this has like, an
overwhelmingly great finish.

891
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Its pleasant, it doesn't burn
too badly, the Kentucky hug on.

892
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,800
This is not like, it doesn't
Scorch your esophagus on the way

893
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,700
down, but it definitely is
warming.

894
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,900
It's not it's not a dry finish
it.

895
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,000
Mouth-watering.
But still again like the

896
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,400
predominant flavor that's left
on my palate, is the oak.

897
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,400
So if you're into something like
that, it's not super short.

898
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,100
It's a little bit lingering, you
know, again given the price.

899
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,700
I'm going to give it again a six
and a half out of ten on the

900
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,200
finish.
I'm 100% on the same page as you

901
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,700
but I think I'm going to go a 6
out of 10.

902
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Yeah, sir I'm actually right
there with you.

903
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,800
I think that this has like you
said, Bob, it's got that

904
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200
oakiness I get a little bit of
spice as it starts.

905
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:15,200
It's moving down the throat and
I will, I will admit.

906
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:20,000
I will fully admit the last like
breath that I had of this

907
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,400
bourbon.
I was kind of like, oh I was a

908
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:30,000
little bit like peanut butter is
there, but that was the only

909
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,700
hint of nuttiness I had
throughout the entire

910
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:33,400
experience.
I'll give it a six out of ten on

911
00:49:33,408 --> 00:49:36,200
the Finish.
It's decent but it's not blowing

912
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,600
me away.
Okay, I actually think just a A

913
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,700
little bit with you.
I think it's a tad dry, but I am

914
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:49,500
getting some rice spice on the
back end and it's almost a

915
00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:52,100
little tart or something.
There's something.

916
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:58,300
There's some little yeah, under
defined, something rather and

917
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:00,800
I'm not really getting a hug on
this one for 100 proof or I'm

918
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,700
not getting a Kentucky hug which
should I feel like it should be

919
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:05,500
there?
I want it to be there.

920
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,200
Anyway I always wanted to be
there so I'm also giving it a

921
00:50:08,207 --> 00:50:10,500
six out of ten.
I think that note that you're

922
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:14,700
picking up is the tub.
Yeah, that's what it is.

923
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,500
Old grimy tub that has funk.
That's right.

924
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:21,600
All right, so that takes us into
our balance score.

925
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,900
Now, the way we Define balance
here on the podcast is, take

926
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,400
your nose taste and finish
experiences and consider them as

927
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,400
one cohesive whole.
It doesn't necessarily mean

928
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,700
that, you know what, you picked
up in the nose had to be there

929
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:37,200
in the taste in the Finish but
we're looking more at was there

930
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,500
a peak and then like a huge
Valley or Is it one nice

931
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:44,700
drinking experience throughout
so knowing that Brad where would

932
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,100
you put this on the balance
score?

933
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,900
I think I'd give it a seven like
its overall, pretty well

934
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,500
balanced whiskey.
You what?

935
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,000
I got on the aroma was a little
softer than what I ended up

936
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
tasting and finishing with.
But overall it's it's decent,

937
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,600
it's solid.
I think that you can tell that

938
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,900
this is a high quality budget
bourbon.

939
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:08,600
Does that make sense?
Absolutely.

940
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,700
I think it does kind of hate
using the word smooth because

941
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:16,800
really what does that mean?
But I think it drinks a little

942
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,200
smoother than the nose gives off
but I think altogether knows the

943
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,600
palate, the finish.
I think it's pretty cohesive,

944
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,700
nothing's really jutting out.
I would say, maybe the Finish

945
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,000
might be the thing.
That's lacking just a little

946
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,500
bit, but I would also give it
about a seven for me.

947
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:41,700
I agree that the Finish It
definitely wasn't where I hoped

948
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:45,600
it would be based on the palate,
but I thought that the nose was

949
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,900
not a huge departure, but I was
really looking forward to

950
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:51,900
something.
From all the notes that I got on

951
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,900
the nose that I don't feel like
is what it necessarily delivered

952
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,300
on on the palette.
There was a lot of overlap there

953
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:58,800
but it wasn't.
I don't know.

954
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,000
I think I was my expectations
weren't exactly met and then to

955
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,300
end what that finish, that that
was a little lackluster.

956
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:09,000
Made me give it a six point five
on the balance.

957
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,800
However, Again for the price.
I do think that it delivers I

958
00:52:13,808 --> 00:52:16,400
mean it's an enjoyable
experience, it's not all over

959
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,600
the place.
Yeah.

960
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,200
I'm right there with you guys.
This is, you know, it's

961
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,500
enjoyable, it's not knocking my
socks off in any way.

962
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,700
And, you know, again we were
talking about Jim Beam products.

963
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:29,800
I think that if we were
comparing this to Knob Creek at

964
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,800
100 proof, I would choose Knob
Creek over this probably any day

965
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,400
of the week.
But again, that's kind of a

966
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200
little bit, comparing apples to
oranges because of the

967
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,100
significant price Difference
between this and Knob Creek, so

968
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:46,600
yeah, I'll give it a 7 out of 10
on the overall balance and that

969
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,800
is going to take us to our value
score.

970
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,100
This is the final score that we
do.

971
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,400
We do consider value in our
reviews here and me, if you're

972
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,300
only interested in the actual
tasting experience, you can look

973
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,700
at our first four categories,
but we want to keep the, you

974
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,700
know, the average everyday
consumer in mind and look at,

975
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:07,500
where does this stand at the
price point?

976
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:10,300
That it's at?
Is it overpriced It underpriced

977
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,800
is a huge bargain.
And Brad, I picked this up when

978
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,100
it was still only available in.
Kentucky, for $20.99 it has

979
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,900
since expanded Nationwide, I
think in the state of Ohio is

980
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:27,300
currently retailing at 2199 for
the price, this one's pretty

981
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:29,500
hard to beat.
Like, Chad was talking about,

982
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:32,300
you know, really the only thing
at its price point.

983
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:36,700
That's available Nationwide.
Is that Evan Williams bottled in

984
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:39,900
bond, which retails for about 18
bucks, and I think this is

985
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,400
really comparable to that.
I'm going to go ahead and give

986
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,800
this an eight and a half on
value.

987
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Yeah, that's what I gave it to.
And the reason why two is

988
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,100
because when I know that Wild
Turkey 101 is out there for a

989
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,400
couple bucks less.
I'm like, well you're almost

990
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,800
there you're almost at the top
of the value but not are quite

991
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
personally.
That's just a reliable poor for

992
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,700
me.
And if I can spend a little bit

993
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:06,400
less money on it, then that's
what I'll do.

994
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,100
Yeah.
You know, the wild turkey.

995
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,400
Benchmark hate using that
because that's the name of

996
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,200
another bourbon the wild turkey.
It really draws a Line in the

997
00:54:17,207 --> 00:54:20,700
Sand Yellow Line in the Sand,
the pole, I don't know the limbo

998
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,300
pole.
I don't know the far that it

999
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,100
sets.
Yes, the bar is definitely a

1000
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:28,700
good one and then, you know, you
brought up Knob Creek and I

1001
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,300
can't believe I wasn't thinking
about that Knob Creek, 100 Proof

1002
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,500
in our area is only $25, right?
So just a couple bucks, more $3

1003
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,200
more, I would definitely get
Knob Creek, 100 Proof small.

1004
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,500
Patch.
I think it's developed a bit

1005
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,600
more character.
Yeah, one a little bit more

1006
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,900
depth for sure.
So I think that kind of dings it

1007
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,100
but for what it is, I still gave
it.

1008
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,000
I gave it an eight.
Yeah, I'm sitting at a seven and

1009
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,700
a half.
I like you guys have said it

1010
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:58,600
all, it's a solid budget
bourbon.

1011
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,700
Like it's not the most massively
flavorful or complex whiskey.

1012
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,400
You're going to have.
But for twenty to twenty five

1013
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,100
dollars, you know, depending on
where you're getting it, this is

1014
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,300
a really solid whiskey.
It's a good pick up and I think

1015
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:13,700
it's something that you can
easily pull out on.

1016
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,100
You know, if you're having a
bourbon night with some friends,

1017
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:19,500
or if you're like Chad and
you're having a cute girl over

1018
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,500
that you're interested in.
Oh yeah.

1019
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:22,900
Well, let's just have a bourbon
night.

1020
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,700
All pull out a few Bourbons.
Wait, I think that's being cute

1021
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,300
girls over.
I told you guys that in

1022
00:55:28,308 --> 00:55:30,400
confidence.
No, man.

1023
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Well that is a bin.
It's bourbon night.

1024
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,500
This is their final public
showing.

1025
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,600
Yeah, this is you know you guys
got a got a scoop Oh man.

1026
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,900
But yeah that's that's bringing
me to a 31.5 out of 50.

1027
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,200
What's the total coming out to
for you guys?

1028
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:50,400
Brad, I'm actually a little bit
higher than you.

1029
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,900
I'm coming out to a 36 point
five which means that our

1030
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:58,800
overall score put together is a
68 out of 100 or a 34 out of 50

1031
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,400
typically, where we fall on this
is that if something hits, the

1032
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,500
35, Mark will recommend buying a
bottle.

1033
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,200
I actually would still recommend
buying a bottle because it's $21

1034
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,500
like, it's Even if you don't
really care for it or if you

1035
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:14,500
think it's just like we do a
solid poor but nothing to write

1036
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,300
home about you're only investing
20 bucks in this.

1037
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,600
I definitely think it's worth
buying a bottle.

1038
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,900
I actually would not recommend
getting a poor.

1039
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,900
You know, sometimes we say like
okay, if you don't wanna get a

1040
00:56:23,908 --> 00:56:25,400
bottle, go ahead and get a poor
at a bar.

1041
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,300
You're going to spend so much on
getting, you know, a one-ounce

1042
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:31,300
sample of this that you might as
well just go ahead and go whole

1043
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,700
hog and get it.
Get the the bottle here.

1044
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,500
So that's where we're coming
out.

1045
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,100
Chad and Sarah.
Where are you guys on this one?

1046
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,600
I give it a .5, which I feel
like should just be rounded up

1047
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,200
to a 35 because I would
recommend for all the reasons

1048
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,100
that you've said that to go out
and get a bottle of this.

1049
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,400
Yeah.
And I was at a 35 35 out of 50.

1050
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,800
So, yeah, right there on the
cusp and yeah, like you said, a

1051
00:56:53,808 --> 00:56:56,800
porter bar would probably be
five to six dollars, which is a

1052
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,000
fourth, of the bottle, right?
Yeah, right.

1053
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,000
They also sell a 375 for $15,
which is all so ridiculous, just

1054
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:11,600
by the door full 750 Absolutely,
yeah, honestly these are the

1055
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,400
types of Whiskey's that bars
make just make Bank off of.

1056
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:21,600
So go buy yourself a bottle
guys, I am just so thankful to

1057
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,300
have more whiskey experts on the
show.

1058
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,500
I think it enlightens Bob and I
on just better ways of nosing

1059
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,500
and thinking through whiskey.
So thank you guys so much for

1060
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:33,000
sharing your expertise here.
Well thanks for inviting us to

1061
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,700
share our pleasure.
Yeah, well let's let's jump back

1062
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,200
in and finish our thoughts on
this.

1063
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,800
It's just classic of a thriller
Silence of the Lambs.

1064
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,500
Alright, so that was old tub of
whiskey that we all recommend,

1065
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:31,400
especially at the price point,
and we are getting back into

1066
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,300
talking about The Silence of the
Lambs, Brad.

1067
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,700
Again, this is a Best Picture
Winner, you know, I've gone back

1068
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,200
and forth on my overall Thoughts
with this movie.

1069
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,300
I've always thought that this
was a very well-made movie and a

1070
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:46,300
very good movie.
But there's just always been

1071
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:49,800
something that kept me from
thinking it was a great movie.

1072
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:52,200
And I'm trying to parse out, is
it?

1073
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Just because this movie changed
The landscape of the serial

1074
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,200
killer movie forever.
And that we've just had 30 years

1075
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,200
of copycats, because I really do
think that even when you watch

1076
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,400
like Criminal Minds are things
on TV.

1077
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Now, they resemble the Silence
of the Lambs so much that I

1078
00:59:10,008 --> 00:59:12,900
think, maybe it's just that,
we're 30 years removed now.

1079
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:15,300
And the shock value has kind of
lost.

1080
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:18,200
Its Effectiveness, I don't know.
What do you guys think of that?

1081
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,000
Is it, is it a movie that it has
aged poorly or have we just seen

1082
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,100
so many copycats of this that it
may not just Hold up as well as

1083
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,700
we would like it to.
I think that you're right there.

1084
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:34,400
I think we've seen so much in
this vein over the past 20 years

1085
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,900
or it cost 30 years almost since
this was made.

1086
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:43,000
Wow that it feels almost like
it's not going far enough which

1087
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,700
is weird to think about because
it's like what else do we want

1088
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:46,500
to see?
Right.

1089
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:49,400
But I think we got into that a
bit when we were talking about

1090
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,800
wanting to see Bill go further
like I think in 1991 when this

1091
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,700
movie came out that this Was
enough.

1092
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:59,200
And this was terrifying enough.
And I'm sure it's probably like

1093
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,900
a product of the internet,
right?

1094
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:03,600
And, and serial killer
miniseries.

1095
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,900
That we feel like now
re-watching this again.

1096
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:10,000
And I've seen this so many times
that it, it feels a little safe.

1097
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,300
Yeah, but I still yeah, it's an
I watched it over and over

1098
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:14,600
again.
I definitely think it's a great

1099
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,100
film in a weird sense.
This film is still very shocking

1100
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:21,500
and it's very violent and you
see things that you really can't

1101
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:23,500
unsee.
And yet there is still an

1102
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,500
element of it.
That feels kind of Like quaint.

1103
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,600
I don't know if there's another
word I can use for that, but I

1104
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,100
think because it's just like a
police procedural and you're

1105
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:35,800
following this FBI agent, it
never really made me think.

1106
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,700
Oh, this is a horror movie.
It was always more of like,

1107
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:40,400
okay, I would call it a
thriller.

1108
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,800
I'd call it like, Brad has been
calling it a psychological

1109
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Thriller, but I don't know that
I was ever actually terrified

1110
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,700
watching this movie, I think.
And I'm going to try to

1111
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:53,000
articulate this the best way
that I can, but I think there's

1112
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,700
like two parts of this.
This and how I'm thinking about

1113
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,600
it and that one, it's a movie
about the uncomfortableness and

1114
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,900
the terror that women can
experience at the hands of men,

1115
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:09,300
which is not a new like again.
Like we were just talking about

1116
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,600
it's not new subject matter.
We see stuff like that in here.

1117
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,900
Stuff like that all the time.
I think what is kind of

1118
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:19,300
groundbreaking and stuck with
the movie, is the way in, which

1119
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,700
they communicate that visually.
And through sound through that,

1120
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:25,600
eye contact that we were talking
about before like those Ways

1121
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,800
that you can't even register,
sometimes that make it feel,

1122
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,600
unsettling that again for the
same reason, so, you know, the

1123
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,800
male gaze that they're using
that to make you feel

1124
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,100
uncomfortable.
And so that's what's really

1125
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:40,100
sticking with me as to why I
think I find that it does hold

1126
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,800
up.
Hmm, I kind of like what they

1127
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,400
are, how they are making people
feel uncomfortable with with

1128
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,500
the, you know, straight to
camera.

1129
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:52,800
And those type of things where
if you're thinking about, I know

1130
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,300
this isn't a horror movie.
But, you know, We said it could

1131
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:59,800
kind of be classified that way.
Like today, it's always that

1132
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,600
really unsettling note on the
violin that just plays like that

1133
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,000
single room.
You don't know things like that.

1134
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,700
Where I appreciate those things
that have become tropes.

1135
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:17,900
I don't think it really anything
from this movie besides sort of

1136
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:24,700
the story beats or the format.
Nothing really anything that

1137
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,900
they do.
It didn't become a Trope, like

1138
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,800
they didn't have a bullet time.
You know, where the Matrix it is

1139
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,700
revolutionary and then everyone
did it and then it became a

1140
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,900
tired Trope, nothing for a this
movie kind of suffered because

1141
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:41,200
of that it's hard.
That's kind of what I was saying

1142
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:42,800
like.
Yeah, okay, and the plot and

1143
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,400
things like that and it's very
much, you know, run-of-the-mill

1144
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,300
now.
Yes.

1145
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:51,700
But I think the way in which
they went about communicating it

1146
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,900
is what really stood the test of
time, okay.

1147
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,800
Okay.
And and isn't something that you

1148
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,500
see a lot of now and nothing
became.

1149
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:03,900
You know, nothing took me out of
the movie because of the Year

1150
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:07,000
there was filmed except oh well,
she would just use her cell

1151
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,400
phone at this point.
But, you know, there's so many

1152
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,100
movies that you could say that
to, like she could just call her

1153
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,300
boss on her cell phone, she had
a cellphone but it's 1991 and

1154
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:16,200
yeah, right?
So that really didn't bother me,

1155
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,100
but it doesn't have a whole
whole lot of re-watch value for

1156
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:24,500
me just because I see, I love,
oh, yes, sir, every watches it

1157
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,200
For me, there's always more
notes you could take to learn,

1158
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,600
but I was just kind of thinking
when you guys are talking like

1159
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,200
it almost like you want it to
push more.

1160
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,200
Now, it's like it's okay.
It's not seven.

1161
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:42,500
I think seven is kind of like
the new Silence of the Lambs for

1162
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:45,200
its time, sort of type of thing.
Okay, let's show more.

1163
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,900
Let's get a little bit more
graphic, but the one thing that

1164
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:54,400
I can't really forget about this
movie is when Hannibal Lecter

1165
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:59,300
takes It's the guards baton when
he's in the cell.

1166
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:00,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1167
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,100
He just whacking them with that.
Look on his face.

1168
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,700
Like, he could have been making
a cake or something, just so

1169
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:11,100
mundane the look on his face
when and the blood is

1170
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:15,000
splattering up on his white
T-shirt and on his face that

1171
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:19,500
like so much of this movie in
its Terror and it's uneasiness

1172
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,100
comes, from not, just the camera
work, but from Anthony Hopkins,

1173
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,400
performance.
I feel like I think this In that

1174
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,500
sticks with me is when Clarice
is feeling around in the dark,

1175
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:30,800
and Buffalo, Bill has the night
vision goggles on like, I'm

1176
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,900
pretty sure that's the reason
why as an adult, I'm

1177
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:34,400
occasionally still afraid of the
dark.

1178
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,300
Yes, because who knows if
there's a Buffalo Bill,

1179
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:39,000
someone's got.
What's that lesson?

1180
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,600
That we learned always carry
night vision goggles in your

1181
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,100
purse or flashlight, right?
Or that what do you guys think?

1182
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,900
Well Brad.
I was going to ask you about

1183
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:49,400
this too because, you know,
we've all watched this movie

1184
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,600
before except for you and we're
talking about it's re-watch

1185
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,700
value.
And so, maybe the best way to

1186
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:58,200
talk about that is To give out
your Brad G award for this

1187
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,200
movie.
So having come into it for the

1188
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,800
first time, what stuck out to
you in this movie?

1189
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,200
And what award would you give
the Silence of the Lambs?

1190
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:10,400
Well, I feel like there's
there's a number of different

1191
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,900
awards that you could give it.
I'm actually gonna draw in on

1192
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:18,600
the title of the movie and say
that this film receives the

1193
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,400
award for the most terrifying,
story of childhood I have ever

1194
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,800
heard in my life.
Hey, is the idea of losing your

1195
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,100
mother as a what she portrayed
as like, a baby or infant or

1196
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:34,900
toddler and then losing your
father when you're 10 and then

1197
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:41,100
going to a ranch in Montana and
listening to Lambs scream as

1198
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,000
they get slaughtered.
What did you do?

1199
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:53,200
Downstairs outside.
I crept up into the mornings.

1200
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,700
I'm so scared to look inside my
head.

1201
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:01,500
What did you see?
Clarys, what did you see?

1202
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,800
Wow.
I was screaming.

1203
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:10,500
They were slaughtering the
spring Lambs.

1204
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,100
They were screaming.
That is like one of the most

1205
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:19,700
horrifying traumatizing
childhood experiences I've ever

1206
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:21,400
seen.
And I don't know if there's any

1207
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,500
movie that we can really top
that story.

1208
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:25,500
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a
good point.

1209
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,700
I think it's crazy how they
connected back to like, what

1210
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:30,100
she's doing now, right?
She's hunting, a serial killer

1211
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:32,100
who's murdering innocent women,
right?

1212
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:35,800
Absolutely, Mmm.
Yeah, but as I was listening to

1213
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,500
you guys talk, I had a few
different thoughts, the mundane

1214
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:44,600
way that he looks at killing the
guard with the, the Baton Is

1215
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,000
like counter imposed with the
intensity and the interest that

1216
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,600
he looks at Clarisse with right.
Like it is human beings that he

1217
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,700
finds interesting, not the whole
mundane nature of killing people

1218
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,100
and I just I love that
juxtaposition and then when you

1219
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:05,700
guys were talking about it as
like a crime procedural, I think

1220
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:10,600
the thing for me that makes this
movie Stand Out and and really

1221
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,000
rise above all of the copycats
that came after it.

1222
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:20,000
Is that you can tell that Demi
is not using anything extraneous

1223
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,800
to the movie.
And he's not like pushing his

1224
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,800
way into anything that is
familiar.

1225
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,300
And the two things that really
stick stuck out to me, were her

1226
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:33,100
best friend and an opening scene
that might feel meaningless.

1227
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:38,400
But she's training as an FBI
agent and she gets fake killed

1228
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,900
because she doesn't check the
corner.

1229
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:42,800
Right.
And what I loved about the movie

1230
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,000
is that it didn't Fall into this
like best friend giving advice

1231
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,500
Trope like her friend in the
academy is just there for a few

1232
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:55,700
small moments and we don't have
her for anything more than what

1233
01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:57,200
we need.
Like, I feel like a lesser

1234
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,100
director easily could have had a
6-minute scene where she's

1235
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:04,500
conversing with her friend and
like hashing out the details of

1236
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:08,200
the case and it would have taken
forever and Sloan the movie down

1237
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,300
and that would have happened in
like a 43 minute TV episode.

1238
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:15,600
And the second thing was, when
she's Going down the stairs into

1239
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,200
Buffalo Bill's house.
My immediate thought was, I hope

1240
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,500
she's not going to check the
corner because that's just.

1241
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:24,500
Yeah, because that's just what
directors and movies.

1242
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:28,000
Do they set you up for checking
the corner quote-unquote?

1243
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,200
And then the character like does
it and it's heroic or they don't

1244
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,899
do it and they fail because of
it and then they didn't do that

1245
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:36,100
at all.
They didn't they didn't like use

1246
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:39,300
that at all and I was kind of
like oh good job Demi, I'm proud

1247
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:42,399
of you for not doing that
because if this is a TV show it,

1248
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:44,100
100% would have played into
this.

1249
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:47,399
Story completely.
I think that's a good point and,

1250
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,500
and that kind of brings me
around to my final score on this

1251
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,000
movie.
And I think I'll start with the

1252
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,100
final scores because I'm afraid
that I might have the lowest

1253
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:58,300
final score of all of us.
And it's not because I dislike

1254
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:01,899
this movie like I said, I have
really gone back and forth on is

1255
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:05,200
this a very good movie or is it
a great movie and it's

1256
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,100
definitely a movie that people
Revere.

1257
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:09,500
Like it's, you know, if you go
on IMDb I think it's like number

1258
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:10,899
23.
All time.

1259
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:14,300
It's super well made the first
time I saw it, it was

1260
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:16,500
Horrifying.
I think it still holds up on

1261
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:20,300
re-watch, but like Chad said, it
definitely loses something in

1262
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:22,399
the re-watch.
And so I'm coming at this movie

1263
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,600
having seen it, you know, ten
times.

1264
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,000
Now probably I think I'm going
to give it an eight and a half

1265
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:29,800
like it's a really well-made
movie.

1266
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,000
It won best picture.
I think deservedly so.

1267
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,500
But I don't know if I would put
it like in that all time ranking

1268
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,700
and I was thinking about like
serial killer movies and how

1269
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:42,100
they've developed over the
years.

1270
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,700
And I think if I had to choose
one Serial killer movie to put

1271
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:48,100
over this.
I think I put David Fincher's

1272
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,800
movies, zodiac over this movie.
Like it, has that sort of, like,

1273
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,300
procedural element to it.
I think the suspense is really

1274
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:57,500
well done, and so, I think that
we've seen this movie done

1275
01:09:57,500 --> 01:10:01,400
better over the years, but it's
definitely still worth watching,

1276
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,600
especially, because of
everything we've talked about,

1277
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,900
with, you know, condemning the
male gaze and having such a, you

1278
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:10,200
know, a really strong female
protagonist, which you still

1279
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,200
don't see in movies like this.
So, yeah, I'm coming out to an

1280
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,000
eight and a half out of ten.
Where's everybody else?

1281
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,700
Falling?
I was leaning, I was leaning 9 9

1282
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:22,200
out of 10 because I tried to put
myself back in the shoes of the

1283
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,400
first time that I saw it, and
the impact that it had, I was

1284
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,200
shook up after I watched that
movie.

1285
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,300
So I got to go with that.
And like I said, I'd continue to

1286
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:32,600
go back to it every couple of
years.

1287
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,900
I'll be like, you know what, I'm
gonna watch that again because

1288
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:38,100
there's just something that's
so, I don't know, it's

1289
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:41,500
comforting about.
I know that sounds crazy, but

1290
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:43,900
the level of performance and
like that, I know what I'm going

1291
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:44,600
to get.
Out of it.

1292
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,700
And yet I also know that there's
going to be a level of intrigue

1293
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,500
every time I watch it, even
though I know it's going to

1294
01:10:49,508 --> 01:10:52,300
happen.
I just don't find things like

1295
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:54,200
that all the time.
So yeah.

1296
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,400
Agreed and I'm not stealing your
score.

1297
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,200
I promise.
I thought this before but I also

1298
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:06,500
am going to give it a 9.
I think that it's it's just a

1299
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:10,700
well-made movie on so many
levels from the directing from

1300
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:13,100
the performances from the
cinematography.

1301
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:17,800
That it just it stands up.
It stands up to the test of

1302
01:11:17,808 --> 01:11:18,700
time.
So, yeah.

1303
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:21,800
Nice solid nine.
Yeah, I were sounding like a

1304
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,000
broken record here, but I'm also
going to give it a 9 out of 10.

1305
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:29,400
I think that one of my favorite
Parts about this movie is how it

1306
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,000
is bookended, and I love when a
director really takes into

1307
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,700
account, how a movie starts and
How It Ends.

1308
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:39,500
And the way that the movie
starts with this, this truly

1309
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:44,100
kind of creepy tone set by the
music.

1310
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,300
Like that Howard Shore has
composed for it as you watch

1311
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:51,700
Jodie Foster run alone through a
forest, kind of covered in fog a

1312
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:56,900
little bit and it ends with
Hannibal Lecter and this kind of

1313
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:02,100
creepy music playing once again,
as he slowly follows his next,

1314
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:06,300
you know, Quarry down the road,
like, there's just this sense of

1315
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:10,500
unease from start to finish in
this film and there's no

1316
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,200
resolution for it.
Hannibal Lecter is a looming

1317
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,300
threat at the start of the The
even though you don't know it

1318
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:18,500
yet and he is a looming threat
at the end of the movie, just

1319
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,200
because he's alive.
And there's something about

1320
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,500
that.
That just I think it does stand

1321
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:26,000
the test of time as somebody
who's seen it for the first time

1322
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,300
30 years since its Inception.
I'm all in man, this is a great

1323
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film.
Alright, well there you have it.

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I am the lone person out here at
an eight and a half but not too

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far off of what everybody else
is bringing to the table with a

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9 here.
If you average out Brad and my

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score you come out to an At 75
out of 10, we would love to know

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what you think of this movie.
Am, I just way off base and

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giving it an eight and a half
out of ten, you can reach out to

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us on our social media where you
can find us at film Whiskey on

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Facebook, Twitter or Instagram
or you can leave us a voicemail.

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Let your voice be heard on the
film and whiskey podcast, you

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01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:06,300
can check us out on anchor dot
f.

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M / film whiskey.
Once again, we want to say thank

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you to our guest host, Chad.
And Sarah, it has been wonderful

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,900
to have you.
Here and break down this movie

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and offer your expertise on this
whiskey.

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Thank you both so much for
coming on the show.

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Before we head out.
Do you have anything that you'd

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like to plug?
Sure we've always got them

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01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:26,700
plugs.
That's right.

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You know, the the best place to
find this is on YouTube.

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01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:33,200
That's youtube.com slash, it's
purba night but we also have a

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patreon page where you can get
some extras.

1345
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,200
We do a show called another
round of Chad and Sarah which is

1346
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,400
exclusive for patreon.
So that's patreon.com/lenguin

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01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,400
bourbon night.
Right?

1348
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,400
And then we have whiskey
Ambitions.com where we sell our

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merchandise.
So we have our own Glenn Karen's

1350
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and copito glasses, t-shirts,
sweatshirts new stuff is in the

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01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:59,900
work, so check it out.
Absolutely olux, blocks and

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01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:02,400
blocks, and blocks and blocks,
and we're on Instagram.

1353
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:05,700
Yeah, it's bourbon idea.
Absolutely.

1354
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,900
If you're not following them yet
on YouTube, or on Instagram, go

1355
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:12,300
immediately, their videos have
been just super helpful

1356
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:15,500
informative for us as we've You
need to do this podcast over the

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01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:17,600
years.
So once again, chat and Sarah,

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,100
thank you for joining us today.
Thank you so much for having us.

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This was so much fun.
Our pleasure.

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I haven't gotten to talk about
movies as much since College.

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01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:25,900
Yeah it's a lot of fun.
All right.

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01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:28,400
Brad and I are going to be back
next week in honor of

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,600
international Holocaust
Remembrance Day, we're going to

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,300
be looking at the Best Picture
Winner from 1993 Schindler's

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01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:36,600
List.
So join us for that next week

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,000
but until then I'm Bob book, I'm
Reggie and we'll see you next

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:41,300
time.