The Quiet Man / Bushmills

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In 1952 director, John Ford and
starred John Wayne gave the

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world.
A feisty Love Story, set in

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idyllic Ireland.
In 2022.

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We returned to Ireland to try a
true whiskey of the people.

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The film is The Quiet, Man.
The whiskey is Bushmills, and

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we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and

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this week we are looking at John
Ford's. 1952 classic The Quiet,

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Man.
Now Brad, this is a movie that

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if I'm being frank got on here
because I know you had seen it,

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and I have seen it.
I own it.

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I love this movie.
It's just a fun little movie.

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Like, I don't really know that
we're going to have a lot to

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dissect or analyze here today.
But it's just like, you know,

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it's just a nice little movie.
Yeah, this is one of the most

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incredibly fun movies.
If not the most fun movie that

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John Wayne has ever done.
Oh my gosh, I like I couldn't

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believe What capital F capital
W, fun, Wayne brought to the

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table here.
Like I'm just I'm so not used to

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seeing John Wayne, be fun and
I'm you know, I'm used to seeing

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him have a Swagger and a sort of
like, what's the word like not

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flippant attitude, but he's
always kind of Rye, you know?

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Yeah.
But in this one he's just

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legitimately playing a
completely different type of

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character and it was the most
Charming I've ever seen.

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John Wayne in a movie.
Yeah.

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He there's this in 32 his
performance that I think

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outshines a lot of his other
roles.

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It's just the fact that he comes
in as a man, who is completely

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confident in himself and knows
what he wants and doesn't feel

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the need to show off for anyone
else.

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I think that's what I really
love about this character.

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The funny thing is too, I would
almost use that description to

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describe most of his other
characters, and it's not that

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this character is more
self-conscious or anything.

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It definitely still fits Your
description.

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But there was something, I guess
the word that I would use as

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like softer in his demeanor and
in his performance here, more

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lighthearted, more lighthearted.
And there's a boyishness to him

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that I am not used to seeing.
And it really like, you know, I

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think he's like, 43-44 issue in
this movie is filmed, but his

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face looks so much softer and
more, I guess, just I'll keep

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using the word boyish.
There's a youth to him that I

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think for a good portion of his
30s and 40s, the movies he was

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King.
He was trying to distance

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himself from that and I really
loved watching him Embrace that

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here.
Yeah, and he's and he is paired

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with the absolute perfect
counterpart in Marine O'Hara.

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I remember you at one point
telling me Brad that Maureen,

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O'Hara might have been like your
most beautiful movie star ever

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like this was this was somebody
that's like you know one of

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Brad's all-time movie crushes.
Yeah, she is absolutely gorgeous

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and you know, as With all people
who are attractive, it has so

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much to do with her personality
and her feistiness and spunk.

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And her ability to hold her own
in any relationship that she has

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in this in this movie.
I just think she's spectacular

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in this film.
So, I'm kind of diving into this

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episode today.
Brad not having done as much

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background as we typically do on
our films mostly because I think

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just the, the overall Vibe of
this movie Is like, this is a

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laid-back fun movie where we're
all just going to go be happy in

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Ireland, and I'm okay with kind
of just, you know, it, for lack

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of a better term.
Talking about this movie at the

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surface level today, and I think
it kind of fits in this mini

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sub.
Genre, we've created on our

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podcast of movies that fall into
that vein, where it's like,

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don't take it too, seriously.
It's a genre movie from the

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early 50s, you know.
I would pair this up with Like,

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An American in Paris.
I would pair this up with If

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like the African queen which is
a movie, I know you didn't like

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that much.
But just in terms of like the

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overall Vibe of both of those
movies, I think this kind of

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fits in there really, really
well and within those within

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that sub-genre obviously we can
have favorites.

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But do you know what?
I'm kind of getting out here.

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Yeah, there's a certain category
of movies that you just put on

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to enjoy that that you just
really want to have a good time.

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And honestly, I hadn't watched
the quiet.

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And in probably since I was a
teenager until about oh I don't

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know.
Six eight months ago the was TCM

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putting it on in the theaters.
Yeah that Within by the

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movements.
Yeah.

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Fathom events.
Thank you.

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Yeah.
They did a fathom event and they

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showed it my dad and I went and
saw it because I know my dad

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loves this movie and man
watching this movie in theaters

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was just an incredibly fun
experience this movie is

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Gorgeous.
Like it is it is not just

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Ireland, it is just impeccable
cinematography and I want to

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talk a little bit about the shot
compositions and stuff later on

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down the road.
But I called out American in

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Paris and the African queen in
particular because Brad, this is

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like the maybe the third or
fourth movie we've ever done

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where the movie was filmed in,
you know, the United Kingdom in

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the early 50s and used their
film stock and used their

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Technicolor process.
And when you're as nerdy about

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These as I am.
When you watch early color films

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from England, they look so much
different than early color films

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from America.
There's just like a little bit

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softer Hughes and there's like a
almost like a creaminess to

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people's like skin tones.
It's it's just really gorgeous

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and this movie man in the first
two or three minutes, I just hit

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pause, I'd say five times and
just lingered on some shots

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because it is just beautifully
composed Yeah.

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The the way the camera moves
throughout the setting, it

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almost feels like you're just a
person walking through these

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gorgeous Irish Fields.
Like it feels like it is a part

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of the story and I think that
the choice to use Ward Bond as

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the narrator helps with that,
that it gives you this sense of

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like we're just Outsiders
looking in on a cute little love

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story and but everything about
it works together.

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There, and you're right.
The way the cinematography is

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used here.
You just get to enjoy Ireland,

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for what it is and, you know,
make you want to book a ticket

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over there as soon as possible.
All right, Brad, I think we've

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gotten a little bit too far down
the rabbit hole for people who

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may not have seen the film yet.
We should probably give them a

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proper introduction by way of
our segments, Brad explains.

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We have put 60 seconds on the

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clock for you.
Can you break down the

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admittedly thin plot of The
Quiet Man?

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I think I might be able to
handle it.

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A retired American boxer named
Sean Thornton.

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Well I guess he's not
technically Americans.

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He was born in Ireland, so I
retired Irish turned American.

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Turned back into Irish boxer
named.

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Sean Thornton moves back to his
small hometown of innisfree and

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he follows very quickly in love
with the lovely.

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Mary Kate danaher, he's assisted
in his Endeavors by old

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Matchmaker drunkard, name,
mickalene of win the local

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Catholic priest father, Lonergan
helps him out, but he falls into

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a duel with Squire red.
Will danaher who refuses to help

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him win the hand of his sister
because he bought property that,

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that is red wanted to buy and
they fight, and they trick red,

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and they have horse races, and
it's just a romp of a tail, and

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it's a great type Bob.
All right, Brad, this is where

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I'm gonna give a little bit of
context for where I'm at with

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this movie, because I don't want
to let you down at the end of

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the episode.
And I really like this movie, I

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liked it a lot.
I think that there is like a

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ceiling for how good movies like
this can be.

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This is at that ceiling.
You know what I'm saying?

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But I think you probably are
going to give this movie a

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little bit of a higher score
than me.

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And at the end of the day, what
it really comes down to for me

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is that I think this movie could
be at least 30 minutes shorter

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than it is. 100% And like, when
I, before I watched it, you

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know, you had watched it a few
days ago and I was like, yeah.

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Is this like a like a sub 2 hour
movie?

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You were like, no.
It's like, at least two hours

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and ten or something like that.
Yeah, it's 2009.

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Yeah, man.
Everything you said in, Brad

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explains up until about the 52nd
Mark happens in the first ten

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minutes of the movie.
And then the last thing you

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said, which is they fight
happens at the end of the movie

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and there is an hour and a half
in between in which very little

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happens.
Oh yeah.

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I think that this movie should
be about an hour and 40 minutes

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hour and 45 minutes.
Yep it just runs on about 15-20

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minutes too long.
They draw out certain parts of

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the story of Sean like
acclimating himself to the to

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the village and trying to win
Mary-Kate that just takes way

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too long.
But outside of that Bob, I don't

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know if there's much wrong with
this movie.

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No, it's a very Charming movie.
And I think that what, what

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might let some people down, if
they go into this knowing John

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Ford knowing John Wayne is that
it tells such a small intimate

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story.
And it's again, like I think the

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goal of this movie just to be a
Charming little diversion and

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it's very artfully made.
I don't want to act like this is

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just like a throwaway movie.
But I mean, we've traced the

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plot here, a guy moves to
Ireland.

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He has some secrets in his past.
And which never really get

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explored at all.
And he wins the heart of

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somebody and has to fight her
brother, and that's really the

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end of the movie.
And, and to take, they become

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very good friends.
Yes.

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Also, at the end of the movie.
So, like to take two hours and

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nine minutes to tell that story.
I mean, that's essentially as

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long as like, Jurassic Park, you
know what I mean?

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Like I don't know if we need a
Jurassic Park length, movie to

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do The Quiet, Man.
I mean, if there's anything I've

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said about Jurassic Park, it
should have been Like an hour

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and nine minute movie.
Yeah, there's anything I've said

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about Jurassic Park, it's that
we should have let these

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dinosaurs loose in the village
of innisfree and really used to

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mash up.
Yeah.

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All of a sudden, Chris Pratt's
riding through.

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All right, man.
So we would you like to start

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here?
I think, you know, we can either

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talk about John Ford's Direction
and some of the

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behind-the-scenes stuff or we
can jump into the performances.

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Let's just talk about Ward Bond
for a second.

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Oh my gosh, he might be the
perfect supporting actor of all

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time.
Here's the about, Ward Bond.

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I spent a solid portion of this
movie.

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After, you know, I praised word
bond last week with the

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Searchers just kind of looking
at Ward Bond and saying, like

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why was this guy stuck as a
character actor because he's

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gorgeous.
He's a very good-looking man,

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like rights like
broad-shouldered in great shape.

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He's, you know, again, he's a
few years older than John.

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I think he's almost like 50 at
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He's got like a great voice.
Great voice, beautiful smile.

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Like this man should have been a
leading actor in.

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So I went on his IMDb and, and
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beginning, he was just kind of a
supporting actor and hey, if

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that's what he wanted to do good
for him.

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But I really feel like, you
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movie podcast and on one of
them, the host always talks

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about how sometimes somebody
comes along that market corrects

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for somebody else and takes all
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And I realized that I think Ward
Bond looks a lot like Fred

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MacMurray, you know, from Double
Indemnity and yeah, I'm the a

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permanent and and you know, Fred
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younger.
And so I just kind of Wonder

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like did Fred MacMurray swallow
up all of the Ward Bond Parts

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because and I like Fred
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And I like all the movies that
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actor than Fred.
MacMurray.

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Yes.
Anjali.

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And it really kind of bothers me
that this guy didn't have the

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career that he deserved.
Yeah, I think That he feels like

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somebody who would like go home
to a really middle-class home

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with six children and just be
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Like he had just gone in, like,
worked on the roads all day on a

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road crew, like like he just
seems like he would be an

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incredibly down-to-earth kind of
guy and maybe he just didn't

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have that main character Vibes,
you know, I mean, I guess I

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don't know man.
Can lead off is like, even as an

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older guy in this movie, you
know, I say older in quotation

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marks, But, you know, older than
then, John Wayne of course.

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I'm like, you know, I would
still totally buy a movie with

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Ward Bond as the Romantic lead
at this age.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, like if
Cary, Grant can do it into the

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60s, like this guy could do it,
right.

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I mean, yeah.
He's actually only four years

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older than John Wayne.
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So, just barely older and I'm
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I think Ward Bond easily
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if not like Academy Since for
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I definitely agree.
So let's let's jump into a

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couple of the other supporting
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I think, you know, the primary
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Fitzgerald who just made a
career out of being like Irish,

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you know what I mean?
Like, that's kind yeah, just

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he's like I'm Really Gonna lean
into every stereotype, you have

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and just embody, you know, I'm
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leprechaun on screen and that's
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Why has he wins an Oscar in 1944
for a movie called Going my way,

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which I think also really falls
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In that, it's just happy and
charming, and cheesy and

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over-the-top in terms of
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I love that movie Brad, and I'd
love to watch it for the podcast

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someday.
But Barry, Fitzgerald,

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essentially plays the same
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He's a priest in that movie so
he's not drunk but he's just a

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very Irish priest.
And yeah, that's kind of it.

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Yeah.
Well if he was a very Irish

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priest then he probably would
have been drunk now.

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I mean, I think that Hollywood
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they find one person to play all
of the ethnic roles.

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If you will, like, let's be
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If you think about a Japanese
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probably in a modern movie,
you're probably going to think

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about Ken Watanabe like yeah,
you know, and I don't say that

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in any way to put Ken Watanabe
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I think he's genuinely a good
actor, but I think it's more of

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the casting directors who are
like, yeah, we have a Japanese

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male.
Male older middle-aged?

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Why don't you just give Ken a

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call?
Yeah, but like, so I don't know.

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I think that Barry Fitzgerald
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character into that role for
1940s 50s, 60s Hollywood?

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Yeah, definitely.
And then you've got Victor

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McLaughlin playing Squire.
Red will danaher also hold on,

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but one second throughout this
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their last name changes a
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Like it's danaher, it's danaher
Got a doneger at one point.

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Even though the way it's spelled
doesn't even have a g in it.

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So, like, I know this movie is
not shooting for complete

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accuracy, from its American
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But like, I don't even really
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So he's playing Squire red and
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As brother he's good.
I don't really have many notes

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on him.
He's a big Burly, man, who's

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angry for most of the movie, he
does a fine job.

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Yeah, I think that his best
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It's are like at the horse race
when they're springing the trap

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on him and telling him that
like, well, of course, the Widow

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would have married you by now
but you already have a woman in

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the house and, you know, one of
and who would think of having

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two women in the house?
One of them redheaded at that,

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right?
It's those moments where he like

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starts to ponder and like think
and scheme and I'm like Victor

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McLaughlin can like actually act
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I feel like he had to have been
a real Boxer at some point, he

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just has that Vibe about him but
in those little moments I'm like

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you know maybe it maybe I'm just
speaking poorly about him.

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He just comes across as a big
old dumb brute and you can see

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the wheels in his tiny little
brain turning.

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Yeah and if that's him acting
then he's killing yeah if that's

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just who he is then poured he's
also killed him.

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You know.
Okay.

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Let's let's go back to John
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I mentioned at the beginning of
the episode that I really loved

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this performance from him, and
I'm happy that the two Ford

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movies, we picked with John,
Wayne in them, where two

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performances where he's out of
his wheelhouse, a little bit or,

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you know, are stretching himself
first with Ethan Edwards in the

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Searchers and here, as Sean in
The Quiet Man.

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And really these are two
opposite ends of the spectrum

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for him, where, you know, the
Searchers he is.

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He closed off and Gruff and
Haggard and evil in a lot of

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ways.
And in this movie, it's him at

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his most kind of pure and good
hearted.

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And I really, really loved
watching John Wayne in this

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movie.
And I think this is only in

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what?
Brad, the third John Wayne movie

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we've done.
If you count Stagecoach from way

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back in season one or two.
Yeah, I believe.

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So we need to get around to True
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I think we should at some point,
but between the Searchers and

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this I don't really know that it
gets better for John Wayne.

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These are two really good
performances.

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Yeah.
I mean I think that True Grit is

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a really phenomenal performance
from him much later in his

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career.
I think that's like what 68 69

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69.
Yeah yeah.

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So you know he's a very much
older man at that point I think

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that this is the height of John
Wayne's career and like you said

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it's the fact that he goes from
The Searchers and just this

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incredibly intense Almost
introspective performance to a

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really light-hearted, I love the
word.

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You, you were using earlier.
Bob, he just comes across as

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like a 42 year old.
That's acting like a 26 year old

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and he's just boyish.
That's a really good term and

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but he does it in such a way
that is honoring to the

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character and doesn't feel
pedantic.

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Yeah.
And so he, yeah, you're right,

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man.
These are two of his best

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performances I did.
Find it really interesting.

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The more I got into the film
that the movies called The Quiet

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Man and it's adapted from a
short story.

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So like you know, I don't
remember if they carried the

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name over with it or not but
John Wayne's character really.

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Isn't that quiet in this movie?
You know what I mean?

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But I think the thing that makes
him come across as a quiet man,

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is that he's not domineering and
John Wayne.

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So often in his roles was the
guy that would cut you off and

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talk over you and, you know,
just be the loudest guy in the

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room and he's not, that imposing
figure here.

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He's a guy that's Lee, you know,
again, you find out halfway

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through the movie, that he's a
boxer, who killed the guy in the

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ring, and that's why he's coming
home to Ireland, to try to

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escape that past.
So he's got Secrets, but he

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doesn't have malice in his heart
and he lets other people talk

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and finish their sentences just
like, man, I love polite, John

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Wayne.
This is just that it's a joy to

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hang out with this person.
Well, and not just polite, but

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romantic.
Yes.

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You know, like, the, the line
that really stuck with me is, Is

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when Mary Kate comes over and
kind of cleans the house before

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he moves in and, you know,
they're they're having a

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conversation and she's about to
run off and he goes well some

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things a man doesn't get over so
easy.

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And she asked him what, the way
he delivers this next line, you

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know, like, the sight of a girl,
coming through the fields with

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the sun on her hair, kneeling in
church with a face, like a saint

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and come into a man's house to
clean it for him.

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And then, you know, she she kind
of protest a little bit and he

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but the way he delivers his
line, I know it was Mary Kate

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danaher and it was nice of you.
Yeah.

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Like it's just incredibly polite
and romantic and soft.

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Yeah, and like you recognize
that this man has a heart of

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gold and I just thought that
Wayne pulled it off.

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And honestly, if I had watched
every single, John Wayne movie

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leading up to this point, I
don't know if I would have

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thought he could pull dialogue
like that.

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Uh yeah.
Yeah, well it and he just knocks

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it out of the park and it's a
credit to John Wayne for being

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able to do it, but it's also a
credit to Ford.

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And I think we really haven't
talked a lot about forward, as a

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director during our, John Ford
retrospective, like all three of

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these episodes and obviously his
relationship with John Wayne is

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what defines his career.
This is this is his Muse more

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than anybody else I guess in
real life, you know, Ford was

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just a man he was and so John
Wayne to, but John Wayne owed,

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his whole career to him.
And they made a movie back in

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the early 1930s, I want to say
it was called like the Big Sky

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that there's called the big
something and it was a huge

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flop.
We talked about this on the

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stagecoach episode and and John
Wayne's career doesn't take off

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for like another eight or nine
years with Stagecoach again, but

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he remembered Ford, he always
wanted to work with Ford and he

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looked up to for kind of like a
father.

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There was like a boyishness to
it and so he would do anything

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for wanted him to do.
And it's only John Ford that can

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convince John, John Wayne to do
a performance like this to be

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softer to not put on this super
masculine, machismo thing, that

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he always felt so compelled to
do.

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And it's really, I mean, if
there's an actor in Hollywood,

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that I wouldn't expect to pull
off a roll like this.

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Just like you said, it would be
John Wayne, and the fact that

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that Ford was able to get this
performance out of him, says, a

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lot about their relationship.
Yeah, it really does.

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I think that Ford for for all of
his foibles He has an ability

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with his actors to just draw out
really great performances.

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And I think in all three of the
movies that we watched for him

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this year, I'm just really
impressed in an ERA with lots of

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really over-the-top, really
cheesy performances.

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It seems like Ford has an
ability to help his actors feel

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like real people who inhabits a
real world, you know, and I know

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that At in in the Searchers we
talked about how Wayne you know

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comes across as serious and
everybody else has a bit of a

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Western Field of them but even
that I look at and I go well the

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fact that he pulled it off with
Wayne is pretty incredible.

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So yeah, I think that him as a
director of actors.

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He really does an impressive job
Brad.

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I'm gonna ask if we can hold off
on talking about Maureen,

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O'Hara, until after the break.
Because you know, if there are

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any problematic parts of this
movie, they kind of revolve

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around her.
Anyway, so let's press pause

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here, let's try this Bushmills
and then we'll come back and

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talk about Maureen, O'Hara, what
do you say?

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Let's, yeah, let's do it, man.
I'm in film whiskey Nation.

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00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,300
Do you ever think about Awards,
of course, you do you drink

444
00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,700
whiskey and watch movies.
Which means that, you know, that

445
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,600
nothing is validated until a
group of random people say, hey,

446
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,800
we love what you're doing.
The awesome thing about doc

447
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,900
Swensons, whiskey is that it
isn't just some group of schlubs

448
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,700
that are given them Awards.
They have been winning attention

449
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,600
from some of the most Orton.
Twiss key experts that you can

450
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,100
imagine, they've been voted best
distillery in Washington state

451
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,900
by the New York International
Spirits competition.

452
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000
They've been voted the best
Independent bottler by the Ascot

453
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,900
Awards, as well as the best
finished bourbon from the Ascot

454
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:31,300
awards for their La Mente.
Exploratory Cask their sport or

455
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,600
Cask series is where they
release some of the most

456
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,800
fascinating and adventurous
experiments.

457
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:38,700
If you're ever checking out,
docks line up and see a white

458
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,300
label is a really good chance
that that's the only time you'll

459
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:42,700
see that bottle.
So make sure you stay.

460
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About documents and has been
offering.

461
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Just phenomenal.
Finished and Blended whiskies

462
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for quite some time.
Now, you can find them online at

463
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,000
Doc's, whisky.com, that's doccs
whisky.com.

464
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:06,000
Alright, today we are checking
out Bushmills, Irish whiskey,

465
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,000
Brad.
It is really good to get back to

466
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000
a brand where we are trying like
their most basic offering we're

467
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,500
not trying.
Yeah, you're finish.

468
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,700
We're not trying some weird one
off here.

469
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,300
We're talking about the like one
of the most popular Irish

470
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,700
Whiskey's on the market.
It's just Bushmills, white

471
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,800
label.
And I am incredibly excited to

472
00:26:25,808 --> 00:26:28,900
pair it with the Quiet Man.
I mean, I don't know how we came

473
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:33,600
around to this idea, Don't know
how it quite fits.

474
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,900
I have no idea.
Here we are.

475
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,200
Alright, so let's talk a little
bit about this product.

476
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800
If you've ever seen an Irish
whiskey section in a store,

477
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,400
you've seen Bushmills white
label.

478
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,400
This is like I said, a very,
very popular Whiskey on the

479
00:26:46,408 --> 00:26:48,100
front of the bottle on the
label.

480
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:53,300
It says 1608 in big old numbers
almost of letters.

481
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,400
And that's the first little bit
of marketing.

482
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:04,800
What's the word boy sleight of
And because the Distillery that

483
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,900
this comes from the Bushmills
old distillery was not

484
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:13,000
established until 1784.
But Liars, the 1608 thing is,

485
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,200
apparently a reference to some
land grant or something that

486
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,400
they were allowed to start
distilling whiskey in this

487
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,900
County in 1608.
But the smaller 200 years to put

488
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,100
out a product for this
Distillery to come into place.

489
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,100
You know, they just wanted to
seem older than they are even

490
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,200
though I feel like 1780 Or would
have been plenty of proof.

491
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,500
Yeah.
Perfectly ancient enough.

492
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,000
To be considered Ancient Ancient
age if you will.

493
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:42,600
So like many Irish Whiskey's,
this is not a single malt,

494
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,700
whiskey.
It's not a single pot still

495
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,000
whiskey.
It is a blend of single malt,

496
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,400
Irish whiskey that is triple
distilled and a lighter grain.

497
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Irish whiskey, so not made from
Walt made from a mixture of

498
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,700
other grains.
They blend these two together

499
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,100
and then they age it for at
least three years in a

500
00:28:00,108 --> 00:28:04,900
combination of Used bourbon
barrels and used oloroso Sherry

501
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,700
casks.
So this is actually a very

502
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,800
similar process to what we see
with a lot of Irish Whiskey's.

503
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,500
I know that when we did a burl
our that's a single malt but

504
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,700
they're aging process is part in
Bourbon barrels, part in Sherry

505
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,300
casks.
So this may or may not end up

506
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,700
having some of those great
multi, you know, Scotch single

507
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,400
malt notes on the nose for us.
I'm really looking forward to

508
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,900
what this has to offer.
Yeah and I guess I'll just say

509
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,800
this, if you know anything.
Bushmills, you know, that it is

510
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,200
not a very expensive whiskey.
No.

511
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
So, for me, I'll, you know, I'll
reflect that in my value score.

512
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,900
But just know this going in
that, this is a $22.50 bottle of

513
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:46,300
whiskey.
And like you said at the start,

514
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:50,300
Bob, I'm excited to get into a
super bass line offering of

515
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:53,300
whiskey because I feel like it's
it's like we're getting in touch

516
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,700
with our Roots.
Yeah, I mean, listen, we just

517
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,400
did Cutty Sark at the end of
last season or was it the

518
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400
beginning of this season?
And that was like a fifteen

519
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,400
dollar bottle of Scotch and I
have nothing against that.

520
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,900
And in fact, we gave it such
high scores that I remember some

521
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:09,100
of our patreon patrons wrote in
to us and said, hey I went out

522
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,700
and bought a bottle of Cutty
Sark, I'm so excited and then we

523
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,800
asked them what they thought and
they were like, well it was okay

524
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:16,400
and I was like doing it with
fifteen dollar bottle of Scotch

525
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,300
like temper, your expectations
here.

526
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,300
So this is again $22.
It's 80 proof.

527
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,200
Let's dive into the nose here,
Brad.

528
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,900
And when I stick my nose in this
Glencairn and get a whiff of

529
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:34,500
this, it has such a light.
Rudy fragrant kind of bouquet to

530
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,000
it and I really really love it
man like it it has the

531
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,000
brightness almost like a melon
kind of thing that we get

532
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
sometimes on Irish whiskey.
Yeah it for me.

533
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,000
It's got a decent amount of
honey going on as almost like a

534
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,100
baseline foundational note and
then on top of that I get a

535
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:55,500
little bit of like a light
Citrus, a few herbal notes.

536
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,500
And honestly the longer I spent
with this, the more I realized

537
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,300
that it almost smells Smells
exactly like a white wine.

538
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,800
Mmm.
Yeah there is a ton of like

539
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400
almost like just grape skin,
you're totally right.

540
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,600
It reminds me even less than
white wine.

541
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,100
It reminds me or I guess even
more than white wine.

542
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:16,800
It reminds me of those fake like
Welch's sparkling juice.

543
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,100
Mmm.
Yeah like a sparkling white

544
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,300
grape juice.
Yes 100% man.

545
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,100
I love this.
You know again $22.

546
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,600
Like hell yeah here here.
I'm going to give it an eight

547
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,800
and a half out of ten on the
nose.

548
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,400
Yeah.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

549
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200
the nose.
Like I think it's fine and fun.

550
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,900
Fun fact, I don't like white
wine that much.

551
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:41,900
So so you're denying it not
quite an eight and a half for

552
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:44,200
me, but I recognized what
they're doing here.

553
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,500
There is very little alcohol on
the nose here and it smells like

554
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,700
it's going to be very light in
flavor.

555
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,300
And one thing that I do, kind of
hate about Irish whiskey, is

556
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:57,400
that it smells so fruity and
sweet on the nose, almost whiny.

557
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,000
And then when you take a sip of
it, it's usually that's where

558
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
the malt comes out.
And it's a completely opposite,

559
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,800
you know, flavor wheel flavor
and that always pisses me off.

560
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,400
So, like I want this to be
really sweet but based on prior

561
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,100
experience, I don't think it
will be but that's still not

562
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,100
going to affect my my nosing
score.

563
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,800
Let's dive into the palette
though, bread.

564
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,300
Yeah, on on the taste for me it
was very light and Airy, which

565
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,000
is code word for thin, but I
like it.

566
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:32,100
There's Citrus there's honey
little bit of vanilla Going on.

567
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,900
But for me, it really had a nice
kind of floral bouquet almost

568
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,400
like a rose petal type of note
going on that.

569
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,100
I really liked.
It was a little bit of a step up

570
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,500
from the nose for me.
I'll give it a seven and a half

571
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,400
on the taste sometimes.
When you're like reading tasting

572
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
notes, you see that there's a
note of cereal, and it doesn't

573
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,100
necessarily mean breakfast
cereal, but it means it has that

574
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:58,100
green Enos to it.
This definitely tastes to me

575
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:01,000
like a very unsweetened.
Cereal note.

576
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000
Whatever.
That might mean to you, it gets

577
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:06,700
it not bitter at all.
And in fact on the very front of

578
00:32:06,708 --> 00:32:09,900
the palate, there's some kind of
just generic sweetness going on

579
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,300
more sweet than I expected it to
be, but as it kind of like, you

580
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,500
know, continues its journey
across my palate, it gets less

581
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:21,000
and less, sweet and more, and
more multi, and I don't mind it,

582
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,800
but you're right, it's really
really thin.

583
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:26,700
There's very little alcohol burn
and it kind of just seems like

584
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,900
It almost seems like shy to
announce itself.

585
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:31,900
Dear auntie.
But I mean like, like, hey I'm

586
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,100
just gonna.
It's like the Midwest ooop like

587
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,900
when we bump into someone and
say, oh my God, excuse me.

588
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:38,400
Like, I'm just gonna sneak past.
J here.

589
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,400
Like this one is a little bit of
a taste.

590
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
This whiskey just wants to sneak
right on pasture.

591
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,800
I'm not saying it's bad.
It just it sucks that it doesn't

592
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,400
have more of a punch to it that
it doesn't like lean fully into

593
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,900
that fruity character.
I think I'm only going to give

594
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,700
it a six out of ten on The Taste
bread.

595
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,700
Yeah.
And and the Finish it's short

596
00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:02,000
and And for me, it just slightly
soured at the very end of the

597
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
experience, which lowered by
score bed.

598
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,400
I'll give it a six and a half on
the finish.

599
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400
I think it's decent, but nothing
to write home about.

600
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:14,200
Yeah, I get almost a like an
artificial sweetener thing on

601
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,200
the very, very end of this and
it's not, it's not like

602
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
aspartame, it's what's the one
in like the green packet like

603
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,100
Stevia they get almost have like
a Stevia aftertaste to me, which

604
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,400
is like a weird note that I've
never gotten on a whiskey but I

605
00:33:27,408 --> 00:33:28,900
mean that's what's going on here
for me.

606
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:34,000
It tastes like unsweetened like
oats or cream of wheat or

607
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,900
something and then on the very
back of it, it's like oh also

608
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,300
here's a packet of stevia to
make that taste better.

609
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,400
I'm not digging this man and I'm
really bummed because the nose

610
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,700
was so promising.
Once again, I'll give the finish

611
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,400
a 6 out of 10.
Yeah.

612
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,300
And the balance for me, I
literally just wrote down.

613
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,500
Like, there's not much to see
here, like it's just a really

614
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,100
nice pleasant bright Irish
whiskey.

615
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,500
Like you can just move along
your next whiskey.

616
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Enjoy this.
For what it is, it's fine.

617
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:06,200
There's, there's nothing to
complain about for this 22

618
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,699
dollar bottle of whiskey.
I'll give it a seven and a half

619
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:10,800
on balance.
Yeah, this is always the Hard

620
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,500
One to do when we don't really
care for the whiskey, but the

621
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,600
balance is there, right?
Like, I don't want to reward it

622
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,699
for being mediocre across the
board but it's also like a nice

623
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:23,699
consistent.
Yeah, and I feel weird giving it

624
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:25,800
a six out of ten on balance
because it seems pretty well

625
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,900
balanced.
So, I'll give it a seven on the

626
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,000
balance and that takes us into
value.

627
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Where Brad, as you've said this
is what 2250 in the state of

628
00:34:34,607 --> 00:34:38,699
Ohio.
Well, I'm sorry. $22.49 there

629
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:40,400
you go.
They couldn't just round up and

630
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,400
make it a 23 dollar bottle of
whiskey.

631
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Yeah, that would be pricing
themselves out of the market

632
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,600
here.
That's right.

633
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,199
I don't mind this at $23.
It's definitely less than a

634
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,300
bottle of Jameson.
I think Jameson's up to like,

635
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:56,100
27, or 28 dollars now.
Hmm, I think I still like

636
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,800
Jameson better.
This though.

637
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,600
But when you're talking about
like a four to five dollar

638
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,200
difference, we're talking about
you know like a quarter of this

639
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,300
thing's value.
So man, I don't know I'm vamping

640
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,500
a lot because I don't know where
to put this I guess I'll give it

641
00:35:11,508 --> 00:35:15,900
a 7 out of 10 on value.
It's a really good value but

642
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:20,100
it's just not a great whiskey.
Yeah, I think for me I'm going

643
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,200
to give it an eight and a half
out of ten on value.

644
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,600
I think that this is a really
solid Irish whiskey for a really

645
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200
solid price.
That, you know?

646
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Yeah, if you want to spend about
30 bucks, you can go get Jameson

647
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,900
and I love Jameson.
Honestly, we need to have some

648
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,800
total more do on this podcast
because I liked old more do mmm,

649
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,400
but what was the movie?
We did.

650
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,200
Tullamore Dew was that like
green book.

651
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,500
It was like one of the very
first ones we ever did.

652
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,700
We should have done Cutty Sark
with him.

653
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,200
No, I wasn't thinking back then.
Well, I'm glad you've started

654
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,900
thinking now and the quiet band
with Bushmills.

655
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:59,100
But yeah, I think it now.
On values is a fair place for

656
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,000
this.
All right, so that's bringing me

657
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,300
out to a 34.5 out of 50.
Brad, what are you coming out to

658
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,100
just a little bit higher?
I'm at a 37 out of 50.

659
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Oh, nice.
All right, so that's bringing us

660
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,700
out to a 71.5 out of 100 or a
thirty five point seven five out

661
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,000
of 50.
I think Brad if we're being

662
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,700
honest, like, if you just looked
at this whiskey and and didn't

663
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,600
take into account how we score
our categories, this Skis, not

664
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,000
really a 35 out of 50 whiskey,
but when you consider that we do

665
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:36,100
value and that we are taking the
23 dollar price tag into

666
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,400
consideration, I get it, I get
that.

667
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,600
This is where it's ending up.
Yeah, I think that the, here's

668
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,800
the interesting thing, Bob, I
think we might be one of the

669
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:52,200
only people that like truly sits
down and does a tasting notes on

670
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,700
the Bushmills, whiskey.
Like most people who buy this

671
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:57,000
aren't going to be buying it
too.

672
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Sit down, put it in a Glencairn
and take 20 minutes, 30 minutes

673
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,500
to like sample.
It out and think about what they

674
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:05,100
think about this whiskey.
Yeah.

675
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,100
So but together, they case like
home on lip.

676
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,800
If you're buying this, then
you're probably either just

677
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,600
trying to consume it as quickly
as possible and it is large

678
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,700
enough quantities as possible or
it's a mixer but I don't know

679
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:20,900
that.
I would think that this would be

680
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:25,100
a great mixer, it's just too
subtle and to I don't know, non

681
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,700
non attention-grabbing.
Yeah.

682
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,900
I feel like it kind of swallowed
up by everything else in your

683
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,800
cocktail.
Yeah, I like this on its own and

684
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,200
I agree.
I don't know if it would stand

685
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,400
out well enough in a cocktail as
far as if I would recommend it

686
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200
or not.
I'd recommend.

687
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,900
I mean it's cheap enough go for
it man.

688
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,300
If you like Irish whiskey then
there's a good chance you like

689
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,700
this.
Honestly if you have a you know,

690
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,500
loved one a spouse who enjoys
white wine.

691
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,100
I think this actually might be a
good way for you to get them

692
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,400
into whiskey.
Yeah.

693
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,600
I mean, it's definitely there on
the on the nose but it could

694
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600
backfire and they could just get
really pissed off that.

695
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,500
The rest of the experience is
nothing like white wine and then

696
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,800
they'll start acting like
Maureen O'Hara towards you.

697
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,300
There you go.
All right man.

698
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,700
So this has been Bushmills,
white label, I think we both

699
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,500
hesitantly recommend the whiskey
or recommend with a caveat.

700
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,700
Let's say yeah, yeah, I'd say.
So, all right.

701
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,800
Let's get back into talking
about The Quiet Man.

702
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,000
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

703
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,500
All right, everybody, that was
Bushmills.

704
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:35,000
A whiskey from Ireland that Bob
and I were like, solid on.

705
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,200
I thought you were just going to
end it with that.

706
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
It was a whiskey, it was from
Ireland.

707
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:43,200
Moving on, we're moving on to
the quiet, man, which was

708
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,800
decidedly a film.
Well, Brad it is time for what

709
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,000
is rapidly?
Becoming my favorite segment,

710
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,800
two, facts.
And a falsehood, this is where

711
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Brad presents three items to me,
all of them presented, as fact,

712
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,500
One of, which is a bold-faced
lie.

713
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,600
Brad, I'm doing pretty well this
season.

714
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,900
I can't remember the exact
number right now, but I'm like,

715
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,900
what is that saying, mean
bald-faced also is it bold-faced

716
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,100
or boldface?
So I think it's bald-faced.

717
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,400
I think it's be ald.
I thought so too.

718
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,300
But like does that mean?
That people who shave are just

719
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,200
liars?
Or does that mean that all women

720
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,300
are liars?
If they're not growing beard?

721
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:20,700
I don't know.
We'll have to look that up.

722
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,900
Yeah, it needs to be a whole
bonus episode.

723
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:27,600
I think in any case we're doing
two truths and a lie right now.

724
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,400
And so Brad's going to hit me
with these items.

725
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,600
I was trying to give myself a
pat on the back by saying I

726
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,800
think I'm like nine and six now.
I strategically interrupted.

727
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,500
Okay okay I had had to give
myself my flowers here though.

728
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,000
So all right.
Brad right man, let's do it.

729
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:49,300
Alright fact, number one, the
final line of the wedding toast

730
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:53,700
got censured by the company,
Republic pictures, who made the

731
00:39:53,707 --> 00:39:57,700
movie, it should have said May
their days, be long and forth.

732
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Dennis Mather children, be many
and forth, health and may they

733
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,100
live in peace and National
freedom.

734
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,500
But after the film was
completed, Republic pictures

735
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,000
decided that National freedom
and Island was a little bit too

736
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,300
controversial subject.
Fax number two Marine O'Hara was

737
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,100
initially reluctant to work with
Wayne again.

738
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,100
After having a bit of a cool
relationship with him on their

739
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:25,800
first film, Rio Grande.
However, they enjoyed enjoyed

740
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,100
their time so much together on
the Batman that they became

741
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,500
close and lifelong friends.
Hmm fact.

742
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:37,100
Number three during the filming
of one of the takes of the scene

743
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,900
where John Wayne first kisses
Marine O'Hara.

744
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:43,100
She slaps him in the face.
However, he blocks her blow and

745
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:46,200
the first time they did that she
broke a bone in her hand.

746
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,000
However, the movie was not being
filmed in like a sequential

747
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,100
order.
So, she was not allowed to wear

748
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:56,200
a cast to fix the broken bone.
That sounds like something.

749
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,000
John Ford would do, man, these
bread, these all sound very

750
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,500
plausible.
This is your best written one in

751
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:06,700
a while.
Hey, thanks man.

752
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:11,100
I can see to being true, but
that also seems like the easiest

753
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,100
one to concoct.
Now I'm trying to figure out,

754
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:15,500
like, which one did you write?
I'm just over here.

755
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,600
Drinking whiskey, man.
I like number two, I like number

756
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,800
three.
As fact, I'm going to say one is

757
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,000
the falsehood.
I don't know.

758
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,900
If number one has ever been the
falsehood before, but didn't say

759
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,700
one is the falsehood, Bob, your
streak has been broken.

760
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,900
Number one was true.
Okay.

761
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Yeah, Maureen.
O'Hara was not reluctant to work

762
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,200
with Wayne again.
I don't think that up.

763
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,700
Okay, cool.
I mean, I just assumed that, you

764
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:45,600
know, people would be reluctant
to work with.

765
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,900
Here's the crazy thing.
There is a ton of Hollywood

766
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:56,700
rumors that it during John
Wayne's second or third marriage

767
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:58,800
that he didn't just have an
affair with Maureen.

768
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200
O'Hara.
They had like a four to five

769
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,600
year long Affair.
Yeah, that sounds about right.

770
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000
So, yep.
You know, they have great

771
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,600
chemistry.
You know, sometimes you got to

772
00:42:08,607 --> 00:42:11,400
commit to the role it's method
acting.

773
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,800
I was gonna say it's method
acting and it's a honey, honey,

774
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:17,600
I promise.
I don't actually like her.

775
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,000
I'm just method actor.
I'm just sleeping with her for

776
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,000
the role.
Either, roll, do you like the

777
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
money on bring?
Also the next three roles

778
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,600
speaking of misogyny.
Yeah, let's talk about Maureen,

779
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,700
O'Hara.
In this movie.

780
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:35,800
Here's the thing, Brad, I think
that this movie could be by

781
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,000
today's standards accused of
being misogynistic.

782
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200
I mean, you have an entire scene
towards the end of the film

783
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,800
where he is just Literally
dragging her across the Irish

784
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,400
Meadows and and they like make a
make a point of saying it's like

785
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
a six or seven mile walk.
And a woman comes up at some

786
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,700
point and says like, oh, here's
a nice stick for you to beat the

787
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,300
lady with.
You know what?

788
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,600
That that honestly reminded me
of the opening scene of Boondock

789
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Saints when they're talking
about the, the rule of thumb.

790
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,800
Oh yeah, yeah.
He's like, he just can't have a

791
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000
piece of wood to, as big as your
wrist.

792
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,400
It can only be as big as your
thumb.

793
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,700
I don't know that I would
consider this movie to be

794
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:19,500
misogynistic.
I think that part of it is that

795
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,700
they so clearly, establish
within the world of this movie,

796
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:28,700
the rules of innisfree and how
there are these already outmoded

797
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:33,200
sort of cultural customs and
norms and John Wayne just kind

798
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,400
of leverages them to his
Advantage at the end of the

799
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,300
movie.
And so, like, I'm not

800
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,600
interested, frankly, Brad in
doing a conversation on like,

801
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:43,900
Does this age well by today's
standards because of course it

802
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,700
doesn't.
But but also like I don't think

803
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:51,500
this movie is mean to its female
characters.

804
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Hmm.
No honestly if I can dip my toes

805
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,200
into those waters for a second.
the second time watching this

806
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,600
through, you know, recently I
watched a few times as a kid

807
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,300
watching it through this time I
realized I was like if we're

808
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,900
being really honest about this
movie I think it's actually a

809
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,400
super progressiveness for
nineteen fifty two hundred

810
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,100
percent, like the idea that a
American you know boxer who has

811
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:26,200
made millions of dollars would
come to Ireland and fully

812
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,300
respect the wishes of the local
culture and honor them.

813
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:33,400
And you know, go about the
process of matchmaking and you

814
00:44:33,408 --> 00:44:35,100
know you pushes the boundaries a
little bit.

815
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,700
He kisses her a little earlier
than he's supposed to but

816
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,500
there's a sense that he
genuinely And leave loves and

817
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:46,100
cares about her.
And the way he goes about

818
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,400
talking about money and the way
he goes about talking about her

819
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,900
possessions.
Yeah, I just was incredibly

820
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:58,300
impressed with the dignity that
I feel like John Ford gives

821
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:01,700
Marine O'Hara in this movie.
I'm 100% with you and I think

822
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:05,100
that that character is where I
would focus that argument,

823
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,100
because we've talked a lot on
this podcast, you know.

824
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,900
And again, we are to like,
straight white males.

825
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:13,700
It's It's hard to have these
conversations without, like

826
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:17,900
somebody set like without having
a female co-host here.

827
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:19,700
And we're like, no, it's not
misogynistic.

828
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:21,300
Like I understand how this
sounds.

829
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,400
But what I'm saying is we've
talked a lot on this podcast

830
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,600
about films that sort of robbed,
their female characters of

831
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,400
agency.
Hmm.

832
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,000
And this movie is like her
entire thing.

833
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,600
The inciting incident is that
they cannot get married because

834
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,000
Victor McLaughlin won't let them
and so they kind of trick him

835
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,000
into it.
Once he discovers that, he's

836
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,500
been tricked into it, it's too
late.

837
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,500
They're married but she
basically says like, I'm going

838
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,400
to withhold sex from you, John
Wayne.

839
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,400
I am going to like refuse to do
the things.

840
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,400
You expect of me as a wife until
you help me get what's mine,

841
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,800
might he took the Dowry away her
brother and so she's like that's

842
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,000
mine and John Wayne's basically
saying like you're getting hung

843
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,300
up on the wrong thing, we can be
together now.

844
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:08,100
Don't you love me?
And she's like put all that

845
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,100
aside.
I have very little in this

846
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,100
world.
I want The things that are mine

847
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:17,800
and for her to be able as a
character in the early 1950s and

848
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,700
especially in the culture that
this movie is portraying to be

849
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,600
able to dig her heels in and
say, no.

850
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Like, this is my decision and
you're going to respect it.

851
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,300
I think is an incredibly
Progressive message for this

852
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:29,800
film.
Yeah.

853
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,400
Well and also, when you look at
the actions that, you know, Sean

854
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,000
Thornton takes as a character
like, you know, she locks the

855
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,700
door on him and he kicks the
door down and is like, hey,

856
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,700
there's not going to be Locked
doors in this house.

857
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,000
He throws her on the bed.
It breaks a little bit.

858
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,600
It's a gag.
But what does he do?

859
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,300
After that?
He takes his sleeping bag and he

860
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,300
sleeps out in the main room.
Yep.

861
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,700
Like his anger.
There wasn't no, you're not

862
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,200
having sex with me.
It was which is the opposite of

863
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,600
what we saw in Gone With the
Wind.

864
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,500
Remember that scene where Rhett
Butler comes up the stairs and

865
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:08,300
like lifts her up and says like
you're not gonna cast me out of

866
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,200
our bed.
Scarlett.

867
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,100
O'Hara.
And they application is like

868
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,300
Like did she actually want this
and is just playing hard to get?

869
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,900
Or is she kind of being raped
within the context of her

870
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,900
marriage and you write this
movie takes the complete

871
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:21,800
opposite tack there?
Yeah yeah.

872
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,900
He just basically says we're not
going to have locked doors in

873
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:28,600
here like like it's fine.
You can you can kick me out of

874
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,400
the bed but we're going to have
open lines of communication and

875
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,100
I'm like oh that's that's that's
already really modern healthy.

876
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,000
Now yeah the dragging through a
meadow.

877
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,700
Less healthy rate.
Yeah, I would say it's slightly

878
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,500
less healthy.
All right, so having said all

879
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,200
that, here's my big problem with
her character.

880
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,400
It's that towards the end of the
movie.

881
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:57,000
I don't understand what her
motivations are or frankly, what

882
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,700
anyone's motivations are.
So they finally consummate their

883
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,400
marriage and then the next
morning, she wakes up and like

884
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,600
runs off to the train and John
Wayne traces.

885
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,900
Her chase her down to the train
and I think the explanation

886
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,800
given was like You know, it's
just the way things are done

887
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,200
here.
Anytime they need something to

888
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,300
happen in this movie that just
say, like, it's just the way of

889
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,800
the Irish.
So it's just the way we do

890
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,700
things around here Bobby.
So I don't understand where

891
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,500
she's going, why she's leaving,
what the hell's going on.

892
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,400
He gets her from the train.
He drags her five miles so that

893
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,800
he can fight her brother.
Finally, to demonstrate to her,

894
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,000
that he will do what she wants
of him.

895
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,100
If that's what she really wants.
Even though it's kind of going

896
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,200
against his own principles but
then she's also like fighting

897
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,400
against that and and Trying to
get away from him as he like

898
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,200
carries her drags her through
this Meadow and I'm like, is

899
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,700
this not what you've been asking
for the whole movie, like where

900
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:53,700
you trying to go?
I didn't understand exactly what

901
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,700
anyone wanted in that moment of
the film Bob.

902
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:03,000
You just don't understand the
beautiful Nuance of a romantic

903
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,400
relationship in 1930s.
Ireland.

904
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,700
You just, you just don't get it.
Bob actually, I think that is a

905
00:49:09,707 --> 00:49:12,700
great explanation is just like
When you are married and you're

906
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:15,500
fighting with your spouse and
you guys are just both digging

907
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,600
your heels in and none of it
makes sense anymore, but you

908
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,300
don't want to lose the argument.
You know, you just drag your

909
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:22,700
wife through a few.
Yeah, let it be known film in

910
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,300
pesky podcast in horses.
Spouse dragging great.

911
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:30,200
All about it.
Yeah, no, I think that genuinely

912
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:34,700
it felt and this kind of gets
back to what you were saying

913
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,500
about.
How long the movie is, I think

914
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,500
that everything up until that
scene felt like Had a purpose

915
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:45,900
felt like it was like all right,
it's driving the plot forward

916
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,200
but at that point it was like,
all right, we just need

917
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,200
something funny.
Well, what could we do?

918
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,000
I yeah we'll just have him
dragged her through a field,

919
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:54,800
right?
That'll be funny.

920
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,500
Let's let's order that up.
Get the get the camera crew

921
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,500
ready.
We're going to do it now well.

922
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,300
So then they get back to Victor
McLaughlin and he's like, all

923
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:07,400
right fine, here's your money.
And then he gets the money and

924
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
we're you know, hair is not
satisfied with that and and has

925
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,100
John Wayne throw it in the
furnace.

926
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,500
Us and is like know what I
really want is for you to beat

927
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,200
my brother to a pulp which is
really not her motivation

928
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,300
through the whole movie.
And you know again if they want

929
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,500
her brother beat up, like I
completely understand that

930
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,000
impulse.
He's the worst but yeah, what

931
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,400
she has said, the whole time is
like I want this money, this

932
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,800
money is mine and and they throw
it in the freaking steam engine

933
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,900
and it kind of turns in.
So there's a movie from a few

934
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:38,500
years ago called Phantom thread.
It's a Paul Thomas Anderson

935
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,000
movie.
And that movie takes a very

936
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,900
weird turn towards the end.
And I'm going to try not to

937
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,400
spoil the whole thing, but it
essentially becomes this weird

938
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Kink between the two main
characters, where one of them

939
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,300
kind of poisons.
The other one repeatedly so that

940
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,400
that character gets sick and
that the other one can nurse the

941
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,700
first one back to health.
And it is like this weird psycho

942
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:04,900
sexual fetish thing at the end
of the film and it ruined the

943
00:51:04,908 --> 00:51:07,300
movie for me.
I did not like that film, but I

944
00:51:07,308 --> 00:51:09,200
couldn't help but think of it
the whole time I was watching,

945
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,500
Watching this movie because I'm
like I don't think she even once

946
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,400
anything anymore other than just
to like put John Wayne in this

947
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,100
situation where she is in
control of him and watching and

948
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,800
like this weird blood lost.
It seemed like this weird Kink

949
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:26,600
and I was like what purpose does
this serve anymore?

950
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,000
I didn't like the whole end of
the movie.

951
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,600
Didn't make sense from the
characters, motivations

952
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:39,100
standpoint Kink feels like a
strong monosyllabic word.

953
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:45,400
Throw that way, I think that if
anything at a certain point she

954
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:51,400
wants to see her husband shine
and so if anything it's more of

955
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,200
a lust for drama than it is for
anything else.

956
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,800
But I see what you're saying
that it at a certain point it's

957
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,800
like man.
He's right like he got your

958
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,600
furniture back.
He like he's providing for you.

959
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,000
He is Gentle and kind, he's
honoring your wishes to not have

960
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,900
sex which you know who would
have expected that from a 19,

961
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,000
you know, 50s person.
So like at a certain point I'm

962
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,400
like, what are you even asking
for any more Mary-Kate like and

963
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,100
then when she finally gets the
money she just throws it in the

964
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600
in the fire, right?
And you're like but that always

965
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
still makes him follow through
on the fight when they could

966
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,700
have just walked away at that
point.

967
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,400
I don't know if she makes him
follow through because Victor

968
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,700
just punches him in the face
right after that, thread.

969
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:41,900
That's fair.
I think it was more of a at this

970
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:46,000
point.
The fight has to happen but no,

971
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,700
I think you're right though,
it's like, she just has

972
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:52,700
misguided motives right by the
end of the film and they're

973
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:57,800
weird well, and I think that's
where this movie suffers, right?

974
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,400
Is that it's over long and also
leaves random dangling threads,

975
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,400
the best part of the movie from
a cinematic point of view for me

976
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,200
is that flash back to John Wayne
when you find out that he I

977
00:53:09,207 --> 00:53:11,900
killed the guy in the ring, like
the way, it's filmed is very

978
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,900
dreamlike that you don't see a
crowd behind them and that gets

979
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:19,000
it in a very surreal.
Can I also point out the camera

980
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,300
we talked about in Raging Bull
that is the first time.

981
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:23,200
The camera had ever been inside
the ring.

982
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,100
However, the camera and The
Quiet Man was inside was reading

983
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,400
pointing at John Wayne's face
and the way they cut that

984
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,700
Montage together without sound
of like you nude his two

985
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:37,100
trainers standing next to him
smiling and then it cuts back to

986
00:53:37,107 --> 00:53:40,400
his face and it's this weird
like Dutch Go close up it.

987
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,700
I mean, it is incredible
filmmaking.

988
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,700
Yeah.
And then it is never return to,

989
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,900
he never confesses that to
anyone.

990
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:51,700
He just is completely able to
put this trauma behind him or at

991
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:55,500
least ignore it for the course
of the movie and never deals

992
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:58,100
with it again.
And I really was like, okay

993
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:01,200
again, I know that like every
movie in 2022, we want someone

994
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,500
to have like baggage and Trauma.
And so I'm not saying that but

995
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:08,700
it was just weird that it would
be a focal point of the movie.

996
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:11,700
And then Then immediately
dropped right after that fact,

997
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,000
well, I mean, he has the
conversation with the Reverend

998
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,300
play fair about it and, you
know, it tells him to shut up.

999
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:21,000
He's like, don't you tell
anybody know when he goes into

1000
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,600
his into his office later a
movie?

1001
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,800
Yeah.
And they look at the picture of,

1002
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
you know, Playfair as a boxer
and they have a little

1003
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,200
conversation about like what it
means to be a fighter in

1004
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,400
Ireland, and what it, what it
takes to win his wife, I think,

1005
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,700
I think they kind of tie that
thread up nicely.

1006
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,700
I Was one.
Other dangling thing for me that

1007
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:45,800
I need to ask your opinion on
because I couldn't tell if they

1008
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,700
were implying that Maureen,
O'Hara is unable to have

1009
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,900
children.
When when the you know they

1010
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:56,600
bring the bassinet over to the
house and she's like it was my

1011
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,600
mother's before me, she runs out
crying and then the next scene

1012
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,500
she finds John Wayne planting
roses back in you know in the

1013
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:06,200
essentially in their backyard
and says like oh you could have

1014
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,200
planted a potato or something'
and and she's like what's up

1015
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,500
what good is a house without
this and this and then he says

1016
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:15,700
or children and the way she
responds is she puts both of her

1017
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,800
hands under her stomach and kind
of like rubs there.

1018
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,700
And I'm like, huh?
I wonder if we're implying

1019
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,400
something here and I didn't know
if you caught on to that or if I

1020
00:55:27,408 --> 00:55:31,200
was just like reading into
things too much, if I'm being

1021
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,300
honest, I think you're reading
into things.

1022
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,800
I think it's I think that was
more of a commentary on like

1023
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,900
you're not having sex with me
and so we're not having children

1024
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:45,600
got it and I in my mind I think
that that was kind of a little

1025
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,900
bit of a biting remark from John
Wayne but also just him being

1026
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:54,600
honest saying Hey I want to have
kids and we are not having sex,

1027
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,300
right?
So you know don't don't give me

1028
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:04,000
shit about about planting roses.
That's that my dad.

1029
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,400
And mom used to plant around the
garden like that has sentimental

1030
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,800
value for me.
Yeah, back off a little bit.

1031
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:12,700
Well and I think that's also
kind of why I felt so

1032
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,800
comfortable talking about Kinks
at the end of this.

1033
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,100
Because sex is kind of the
driving force behind this whole

1034
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,600
movie.
She beats up his brother and

1035
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,500
then the end of the movie like
the the end of the movie, is her

1036
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:28,000
tapping him on the shoulder to
be like, let's and and then they

1037
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,600
like the run back to the house
and it's like the end and up.

1038
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,700
She rewards him for his
bloodlust and I'm like this is

1039
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:37,500
very, very kinky.
Yeah.

1040
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:43,400
I mean apparently John Ford gave
her a line to whisper in his ear

1041
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:48,600
and that final scene, huh?
And was it lets D, she would not

1042
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,600
she have fit initially was like,
I'm not going to say that line,

1043
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,500
but eventually he got her to
agree to say the line and John

1044
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:57,400
Wayne did not know what the line
was.

1045
00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:01,100
So that it would get like a
genuine reaction.

1046
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:03,500
Wow.
And like to this day Marine

1047
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:07,600
O'Hara, you know, she I think
she passed away in 2015 or 16

1048
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:11,700
but she always refused to tell
anyone what that line was.

1049
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,200
We still don't know what she
actually whispered into his

1050
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,800
think I died.
Just gave it away.

1051
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,700
I think you might have and
knowing their relationship.

1052
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:22,400
They probably went off and had
and did that very thing.

1053
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:24,400
Yeah.
And and had some method acting.

1054
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,000
All right, man, it's time for us
to wrap things up here.

1055
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,400
And before we give our final
scores, we're going to play our

1056
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,700
new game which we call.
Let's make it a double Brad.

1057
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,300
If you had to pair this movie up
with another one to make a

1058
00:57:36,308 --> 00:57:38,100
double feature, what would that
film be?

1059
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,500
Yeah.
Bob, you know, I was thinking

1060
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:45,200
about this and I think that I'm
going to point towards a Another

1061
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,100
movie that you, and I actually
decided isn't necessarily a

1062
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,700
romantic movie or a romance
movie, but I think I'm going to

1063
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:57,200
point people to about time.
Oh, interesting, what does

1064
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,200
emotions?
I just think that the, the

1065
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,700
relationship between the main
characters in about time, has a

1066
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:09,400
light heartedness about it.
That reminds me of Wayne and

1067
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:16,100
O'Hara in this film, interact
like McAdams and Doll domhnall

1068
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:19,800
Gleeson the way that they
interact with one another with

1069
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,500
such lightheartedness and love
and tenderness it just kind of

1070
00:58:23,508 --> 00:58:25,700
reminds me of these two.
I like that.

1071
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:27,500
Man.
I would not have made that

1072
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:28,600
connection.
Good pick.

1073
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,000
Hey, thanks, man.
I think for me, I'm gonna go

1074
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,700
with another movie that has a
similar Vibe and we didn't

1075
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:38,700
really touch on this that much,
but there's something about

1076
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:43,400
movies coming out post-world War
Two, where I think so many men

1077
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,400
went across the Ocean and fought
overseas and brought back like

1078
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,600
pieces of European culture with
them.

1079
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:54,100
And there seemed to be like an
openness to.

1080
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,900
Let's make movies about
Americans going overseas.

1081
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,700
And so you get all these movies
like American in Paris and this

1082
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,500
film, and a couple of years
after American in Paris Gene

1083
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:07,200
Kelly and Vincente Minnelli
teamed backup for an adaptation

1084
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,900
of the Broadway musical
Brigadoon and I love Brigadoon

1085
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,700
and it is not, are you doing?
Is it's not.

1086
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:18,700
It's not a great movie like and
it actually is kind of slow and

1087
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:20,700
probably too long, just like
this movie.

1088
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,700
And so it has like the exact
same feel to it, but it has Gene

1089
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:29,100
Kelly singing and dancing.
And so like if you can watch The

1090
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:31,500
Quiet Man and then throw on
Brigadoon and it's like wow this

1091
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,700
just got even better for me.
So I would pair this up with

1092
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,400
Brigadoon you just take a little
short, hop from Ireland to

1093
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,000
Scotland and, you know, enjoy
yourself.

1094
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:44,000
You're all set.
Yeah, I love it, man.

1095
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,500
It's get into final scores than
Bob.

1096
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:49,900
You said earlier that you're
going to give it like a 4 out of

1097
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:52,000
10.
So I'm bracing myself.

1098
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,700
Where are you at with John
Ford's The Quiet Man?

1099
00:59:57,500 --> 01:00:01,400
I think that this is like, when
this movie came out, it was like

1100
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,100
an 8 out of 10, right?
Like it's clearly not the best

1101
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:06,500
film ever made.
But I think the fact that it's

1102
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:10,300
an eight out of ten film, that's
also aged by 70 years, would

1103
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:13,000
probably knock it down a little
bit to like a seven and a half

1104
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,700
in my book.
I enjoyed this.

1105
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:17,200
More than I enjoyed the African
queen.

1106
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,300
But when you have a two-hour
movie that we're advocating for

1107
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:26,400
taking 25% of the runtime away,
like that's clearly a big flaw

1108
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,300
with the film.
And, and, you know, the other

1109
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:30,400
things about the plot that I've
brought up that, I don't really

1110
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,100
understand motivations and
things like that.

1111
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,200
I'm going to knock it down and
give it a seven and a half out

1112
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,300
of ten.
But it's a really good seven and

1113
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,000
a half.
Yeah, I think I'll give it an

1114
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,000
eight and a half out of ten.
I think that it has some of the

1115
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,000
best one-liners out of any movie
that We've ever watched, I think

1116
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,600
that the pacing of the first 70%
of the movie is really great and

1117
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,400
then it slows down a lot.
So yeah.

1118
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,900
And and the performances are
just fabulous.

1119
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:03,500
So I I really love this movie
and it's an easy eight that half

1120
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:06,100
for me.
Alright, so those are our scores

1121
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:09,500
on the quiet man, but we'd like
to know what you think, Brad, I

1122
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,900
have a feeling that this might
be the least seen of the three.

1123
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:14,700
John Ford movies, we've done
this.

1124
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,800
In but, who knows, maybe a lot
of people have watched it and

1125
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,900
loved it.
Like we have, you could reach

1126
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:22,700
out to us across our social
media accounts, Facebook,

1127
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:27,100
Twitter, Instagram, Tick-Tock at
film whiskey or you can jump

1128
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,400
onto a Discord.
We are on there every single

1129
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,600
day.
Talking to you guys film Louis

1130
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,100
key Nation.
So jump on their join the

1131
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,100
conversation.
You can find a link to our

1132
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,900
Discord at the end of every
single one of our show notes

1133
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:43,300
next week, we're going to start
a mini-series on a director who

1134
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,200
frankly, Brad.
I didn't expect would be in

1135
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,500
something like this, but when
you look at his movies, he's

1136
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:52,100
made some absolute Classics.
We're talking about Rob Reiner

1137
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,500
and we're going to be looking at
his early 90s horror Masterpiece

1138
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:59,100
misery.
I cannot wait for you to see

1139
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:02,300
this movie, like yeah, he's go
in as cold as possible to this

1140
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:06,400
film.
Possibly the most incredibly

1141
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,400
talented yet.
Like diversely interested

1142
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,700
director.
Yeah.

1143
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:14,700
That we've ever seen, like, all
of his movies are different.

1144
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,400
And like incredibly solid.
I can't wait man.

1145
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,800
All right we'll kick that off
with misery but until then I'm

1146
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,100
Bob book, I'm Brad G and we'll
see you next time.