The Lion King (1994) / Henry McKenna 10-Year Single Barrel Bottled-in-Bond Bourbon

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In 1994, Disney Animation
Studios and star James Earl

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Jones gave the world a dynamic
coming of age story that still

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freaking rules over 30 years
later.

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In 2024, we try the whiskey that
changed the game in the world of

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bourbon.
The film is The Lion King.

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The whiskey is Henry McKenna 10
year single barrel.

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And more of you them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad.
Gee.

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And Brad, we are a little bit
past the halfway point of Season

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10.
How are you feeling about this

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revisit of all of our Season 1
films?

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I don't know if you want to hear
that, Bob.

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This has been fun folks.
Welcome into film and whiskey.

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This is your first time joining
us.

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Where have you been?
We are in our 10th season now.

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We are 300 plus episodes into
this bad boy and what we're

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doing.
Wild.

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And what we're doing this season
to celebrate is we're revisiting

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all of our really poorly
recorded episodes from Season 1

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and we're redoing them.
So if you'd like to hear us from

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when we were just little baby
podcasters, we've taken those

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episodes down from the public,
but they are still available on

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our Patreon feed,
patreon.com/film Whiskey.

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I say that, Brad, to say that
The Lion King episode, like many

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of our latter half of Season 1
episodes, sounds like poop.

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But the content, oh boy, is it
good content, Brad.

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The the way you said.
Poop like like an Anchorman.

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You, you poop.
Mouth you poop.

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That's pretty much.
So I noticed, Brad, that in your

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little opening spiel you said
that this movie still freaking

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slaps.
And I think that is the place to

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start when talking about The
Lion King.

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It is a movie that, like many
1990s films, especially for

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those of us who grew up on 90s
films, it is so familiar.

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It is so ingrained in my
childhood and who I am as a

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person that every time I go to
watch it, I wonder if I can

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properly evaluate it.
And this time through, I mean,

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spoiler alert, I can.
And it does slap.

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But this time through, I think I
think that.

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I'm awesome at this.
In addition to realizing how

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much it affected my childhood
personally, I really started to

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pull back a little bit and think
about the cultural kind of bomb

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that went off as a result of
this film.

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You know, we've talked a lot
about how this was not like

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Disney's A tier movie.
They were trying to put people

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on other films and The Lion King
happened and then they were

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like, oh crap, that I guess this
is the one people want now.

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They were like putting all their
eggs in the basket of

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Pocahontas.
And once this movie came out,

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there has not been a Disney film
since Brad, at least not that I

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can think of, that has had quite
the impact of this movie.

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Dude this movie just wrecked the
world of animated film.

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I remember watching this just
countless times as a child and

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you're right, the the needle
moved so much it almost

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redefined like what a 10 out of
10 animated film could be as far

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as like box office return.
Yeah, and I already noticed that

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you're giving this movie a 10
out of 10.

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So should we just go ahead and
spoil final scores now?

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Oh, I I don't know if I'm giving
a 10 out of 10, Bob.

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This is good.
This is good.

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Tease it, Brad.
Make sure the listeners stick

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around.
No, I'm being serious.

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I so coming back and reviewing
all of these Season 1 movies

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again.
I have paid special attention to

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movies that we gave a 10 out of
10 to and I go into the movie

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looking for ways to reduce it to
a 9.5.

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Yeah.
So, but like, like just to be

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honest, like if it's already at
A10, there's nowhere to go up.

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Therefore, we have to look how
we can tear it down, deconstruct

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this.
Thing we have to Yeah, it's our

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it's our moral obligation to
tear these things apart.

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It's our, it's our duty.
I went on record in our first

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episode on The Lion King talking
about how I do think this movie

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has flaws.
And it's hard to parse out for

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me if the flaws are really
apparent or if they would be as

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a parent if I was a first time
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Or if it's just because I'm so
familiar with the movie and I'm

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like, I have every single beat
and every line essentially

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memorized that the flaws become
more apparent on the 50th

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rewatch, you know?
And so this movie is one that I

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think I'm still in the place
where the first time around I

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gave it a nine and a half and
I'll just spoil it right now.

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I can't decide if this is a 9
1/2 or A10.

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That's kind of where I'm at on
this, Brad, because it is

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flawed.
And I think that to, you know,

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this is no surprise to you, but
Beauty and the Beast is a movie

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that I think both of us at the
time we reviewed that movie,

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said this is about as perfect
and as perfectly structured and

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as perfectly paced as an
animated movie can get.

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And I do still think Beauty and
the Beast is a more perfect

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film.
But I've also come around to the

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idea that you can have flaws and
still be a 10 out of 10 film.

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Yeah, 100%.
There's no such thing as a

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perfect movie because cinema is
such a subjective art.

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Like the the director might say
that my film is a perfect film.

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I'm sure Zack Snyder says that
for every one of his movies, but

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we all know that it it all
depends on the viewer.

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And so sure, you have lots of
Christopher Nolan fanboys out

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there that are going to give his
movies 10 out of 10 running the

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score up on IMDb.
That's like that's great.

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You do whatever you want.
At the end of the day, you're

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going to find problems with any
film you watch.

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The real question is what is
your metric that makes something

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a 10 out of 10?
And I personally will accept if

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somebody says it just did it
like I like if somebody says to

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me, I don't know why this is a
10 out of 10.

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I can say that here are some
flaws, but it just worked for

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me.
I, I can't fully say why.

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It's something intangible,
ephemeral.

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It's something that just, I
can't quite put my finger on,

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but it worked for me.
I, I'm actually OK with that.

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I I don't think we should have
perfect measurables for rating

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art.
Well, then what are we doing

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here, man?
We've been given stuff scores

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for 10 seasons.
Are you?

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Are you, are you losing faith in
our metric, Brad?

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No, it's just a vibe.
Like it's just vibes if this

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movie is just a vibe.
Dude here's the thing, a movie

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can be technically well done and
if it doesn't pass the vibes

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check it's gonna be like a 7 out
of 10 at best.

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Yeah for sure.
I mean tell tell me I'm wrong

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though.
On the other hand, a movie can

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totally pass the vibe check and
be objectively a crappy movie.

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And those are the best movies,
those.

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Are the best movies, man Mighty
Ducks?

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Let's go.
That's definitely a vibe.

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All right, dude, let's get into
our first segment of the day,

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which we call Brad Explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call

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Brad, Explains Brad Plains is
the part of the show where Brad

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breaks down the plot of the film
that he has just seen often for

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the first time this season,
definitely for at least the

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second time.
Brad, if you had to put a number

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on the number of times you've
seen The Lion King, I mean, take

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take an educated guess here I.
Mean I was never a watch a movie

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over and over and over and over
and over until my parents want

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to murder me kind of kid sure.
So if if I'm being honest, I

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probably have seen this movie
like 12 to 15 times.

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That's got to be like right up
there at the top of the bread.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, for sure.

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I've seen, I've seen this movie
a lot of times of those, let's

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just say 15 times.
Of those 15 times, probably 12

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or 13 as a kid, like maybe once
as a teenager, once early for

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the podcast and once again now.
So like, you know, maybe 3 times

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in my adult life.
All right, well, I want to share

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a little bit about my most
recent viewing of The Lion King

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after you break down the plot of
this movie, but I won't step on

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Brad explains any longer.
Brad, you get 60 seconds on the

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clock to spoil everything about
this movie.

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Folks, if you have not seen The
Lion King again, what what are

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we doing here?
Go watch The Lion King.

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It's it's like an hour and 25
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It's it's great.
Come back and then listen to

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Brad explain the whole thing.
Brad, one minute on the clock

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and go.
The Lion King is a film about a

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monarchy of lions ruled by
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His evil son Simba seeks a way
to dethrone him and eventually

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has him tossed off of a Cliff
into a herd of stampeding

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wildebeests.
His uncle Scar sees this happen,

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tries to save Mufasa, is unable
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drive Simba off from the Pride
Lands to try and protect the

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rest of the the the tribe from
the evil machinations of Simba.

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Simba eventually returns with a
massive army of hyenas, wipes

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Scar and the rest of the lions
off the face of the map, and

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rules with an iron fist for the
rest of eternity, ending the

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circle of life.
Written by Scar that was the

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Brad exploits from the
perspective of scar right?

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Yes, this evil, this evil 5 year
old has ruined everything in

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this Kingdom, man.
Speaking of five year.

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Old man, go watch Lion King.
Let me let me talk about this

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since the last time we watched
The Lion King, you know, my kids

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were far too young.
Actually, the first time we

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watched The Lion King, I only
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So spoiler, I didn't have any.
I've got two of them now and

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yes, go, that's a lot of kids,
isn't it?

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And my oldest son is like very
sensitive to scary things, you

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know, like he does like watching
things where people die or

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things die.
And so The Lion King was always

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one that was like your.
Youngest son though.

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He's he's like, show me the
murders, Dad.

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So I finally got them to the age
where I tried Beauty and the

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beast out and again, like
beating the beast I associate

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with this is a movie for like 3
year olds and up, you know, But

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hey, guess what?
It's really not, not if they're

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not prepared for it.
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Kill the beast.
I got them to watch Beauty and

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the Beast.
They liked it.

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And then I was like, we're doing
The Lion King and I said I got

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to watch it for the podcast with
Uncle Brad and they both watched

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it.
They both liked it.

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Enough time passed that we
didn't end up recording the

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revisit for The Lion King that
we watched it again.

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They still like it.
Like, this has been such a great

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couple weeks, Brad, because I
have introduced The Lion King to

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my children and boy howdy do I
have some thoughts on how dark

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this movie is, dude.
Bro that's what happens when you

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watch movies with your small
children.

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Like, come on, man, I've like.
Again, it's so familiar that you

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forget the extent to which it is
like perversely dark.

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It goes to places that quite
frankly no other Disney movie is

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willing to go and especially
anything made after like 2010.

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The villains are a joke at this
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Everybody's like superpower is
that they're overcoming some

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sort of trauma.
It's like no no like you.

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My uncle murdered my dad in
front of me and then blamed me.

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Gas lit me into thinking it was
my fault and drove me out of the

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Kingdom until I almost died,
then starved and beat my mother

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in front of me until I I threw
him to hyenas to get viciously

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attacked to death.
Like that's the plot of this

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movie, dude.
It's wild.

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I I also like how you you tried
to like rewrite my, Brad

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explains.
I'm trying to reframe it, you

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know, I'm trying to lead, lead.
People astray from what this

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movie is actually about.
I do want to talk about how dark

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the movie is, but maybe we
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beginning of the film because
the beginning of this film is up

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there with films like Raising
Arizona, another of Brad's

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favorites in terms of best
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And and and I say that.
That was a pretty great opening.

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The circle of life, obviously
everybody knows it as like it's

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a banger of a song.
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end, it's incredible.
It is one of the best examples

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of how to use montage in
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we think of Rocky Balboa
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together and that's your
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But but specifically bearded.
Bearded Sylvester Stallone?

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Sure, of course that goes
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that are put together to music.
It's there's the the sense of

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movement.
There's the sense of you.

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this is an epic tale.
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of like, well, that's epic.
Like it is quite literally, it

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feels like you're being set up
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myths.
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legendary and mythical about it
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when Simba's being held aloft by
Rafiki and a freaking sunbeam

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comes out of the sky and you
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going to be like spiritual,
supernatural elements to this

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film.
It like it communicates so much

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in so little time that I feel
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almost has to try to catch up to
the cinematic heights you've

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achieved in the first 3 minutes.
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the the Holy Spirit to descend
upon Simba and a voice to call

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out.
This is my son.

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Who am I?
Who?

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I I mean it, it literally does
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I know dude, the when they're in
the montage and they have the

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ants crawling on the log and the
zebras in the background and the

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camera focus switches and you're
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animation.
Listen, this is my one big thing

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for the day.
If I can share something about

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the world of filmmaking with
with film and Whiskey Nation.

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Today I want to talk about what
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rack focus.
Rack focus is a technical term

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when you are watching a shot in
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the foreground is in focus and
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out of focus.
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shot it changes.
It pulls your eyes to the back

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and now all of a sudden
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is out of focus.
That's called racking focus.

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made on plates.
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basically paint on glass and
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each other and move the camera
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perception.
This movie really took it to a

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whole other level in terms of
being able to like separate

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those plates, rack focus with
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And that was, like, the first
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ants and the zebras that I was
like, oh, OK.

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Like, I love me some Beauty and
the Beast.

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This thing is doing some
cinematic things that Beauty and

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the Beast could have only hoped
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film is still like a little bit
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Like I, I know that I'm a little
bit of a simpleton when it comes

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to technology.
I'm, I'm still somebody who

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thinks that like radio wave
technology is one of the coolest

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things in the world and we're
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But man, it's incredible what
they are able to do in this

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film.
And even even just some of the

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close-ups.
Like I I'm thinking about when

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he when Rafiki thumbs over Simba
after Simba supposedly dies.

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Like even just the animation of
the painting being like smudged

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feels almost like Pixar level
quality of those intricate close

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up shots of like small
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And this is 1990.
Four.

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And there was like, rudimentary

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computer animation being used in
these movies, but it's nothing

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like what they can do at Pixar
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You know, when you watch Wally
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these abandoned streets kicking
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And they're doing it with
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But Brad, going back to that
Circle of life montage, just for

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a second, I really do think, you
know, there's a program every

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year called Ebert Interrupt Us.
It's like, it's the thing that

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Rodger Ebert did.
I think it's at the University

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of Colorado that he would do
this every year.

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They would pick one movie.
Rodger Ebert would host this big

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compendium and everybody would
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And you're allowed to tell Roger
Ebert to pause the movie at any

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time.
It would take them like 2 days

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to get through a movie.
I'd say watching is a strong

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term.
Yeah, but you could say, you

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know, check out this thing in
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Look at how they've, you know,
look at the symmetry in a Wes

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Anderson movie.
Look at how the it's panning

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back and forth, whatever.
Now our friend Josh Larson is

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the one that hosts that every
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And I really think you could do
an interruptus on just the

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circle of Life montage because
every single shot is so

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perfectly placed, whether it's
designed to cut on movement to

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the next shot, whether it's like
there's one shot where there's

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four elephants that are
trumpeting at once and they're

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arranged in like a diagonal from
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frame on like a Dutch angle.
Kind of.

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It is just such picture perfect
movie making that's and it kind

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of makes sense because like you
can design whatever you want

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when you're animating, like why
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But you know what, that's not
what happens with most animated

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movies.
And I think it's it's worth

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noting when they put that much
care and attention into it here.

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And and like the definition of
epic is when the circle of life

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montage ends and they just give
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And like that final drum beat
with the black, the red title on

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a black background, Oh man, that
like it's like a chills inducing

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moment.
I think that the first 40

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minutes of this movie are like
picture perfect.

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I would not change one jot or
title of this script or this

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movie until like until Timon and
Pooba come.

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And I know this was my big thing
last time, but like, if you just

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take everything that leads up to
that moment, it is like it's

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intense and it is perversely
dark, but it has it has this

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perfect effect of like, things
are spiraling very quickly and

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everything logically flows from
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There's no fat on it whatsoever.
And as you're watching Scars

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Plan unfold, I think the thing
that really got me this time,

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Brad, is put yourself in the
shoes of a viewer in 1994.

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They had never let animated
Disney had never let their

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animated movies go to places
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And so when you're watching
Scar, you have in your mind,

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like every Disney villain ever,
Like, oh, yeah, the, you know,

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Gaston might come for the Beast,
but he's going to get thrown off

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the side of a mountain at the
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And so you're thinking, like,
Scar's going to get thwarted

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somehow.
And then not only does Scar

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succeed, like the crushing blow
of what happens to Simba after

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that is like, holy shit this
movie is screwed up dude.

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Yeah, well, especially because
they they do such a good job of

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setting up Scar as this, like,
languishing, buffoonish, you

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know, brother of the king.
That's like, oh, you made me

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lose my lunch.
Oh, like it's this ridiculous,

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over the top cartoonish
performance that feels

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appropriate to what Disney
villains were before this.

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And then by the end of the film,
you have him as Adolf Hitler.

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Yeah, literally.
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Like, like it's a wild
transition.

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It is.
Let's talk about Irons for a

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second, because after the circle
of life, the first thing you

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fade up on is a little soliloquy
by Scar where he's talking to

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this mouse that he's caught to
eat as a snack.

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He's talking about, you know,
I'm never going to live to be

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king.
He gets called out by Mufasa for

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not showing up to Simba's
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He challenges Mufasa to his
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And from there on, you're, you
understand, like, OK, this is

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clearly the bad guy, but his
plan gets put in motion pretty

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much immediately.
He's praying on Simba and

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Simba's trust.
And I I think that like Irons is

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so great because he is at 110
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He's not even operating at like
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He is so hammy and so over the
top.

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But this character honestly
wouldn't work if he wasn't the

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hammiest character in the whole
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No, it works because you're
looking for a character who is

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more manipulative than he is
powerful.

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And so I I think that's why when
he's being ridiculous with the

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food, when he's double talking
to Mufasa, like you see little

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hints of the evil coming out,
but he always masks it so well

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behind this guise of like, I'm
world weary.

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I don't really care about this
whole thing anyways.

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Like I've just accepted my lot
in life from what it is, and

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it's not until you see him with
the hyenas that he really lets

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his inner demons come out so.
I, I think I've already kind of

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hinted at it, but I think the
thing that I love so much about

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this movie is that it, it
leverages the fact that you

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don't know how dark it's going
to get and they really kind of

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toy with you as an audience
member as a result.

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Like, to your point about how
buffoonish Scar sounds, you

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think it's like your typical
Disney villainy, and right in

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the middle of this scheming plan
of Scar, you get this really

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happy, joyous song plopped in
there in I Just Can't Wait to Be

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King.
Which, you know, it underscores

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why Simba or why Scar hates this
kid anyway, 'cause this kid's

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cocky as hell, but he really
wants to be king.

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And I think for me, the reason
that that song works in a way

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that like some of the Timon and
Pumbaa stuff gets a little bit

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old for me is because once
again, like the directors of

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this movie are kind of toying
with you.

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They like they're they're
offsetting how dark this movie's

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about to get by kind of
misdirecting you with this

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really happy song.
Not to mention the fact that the

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song slaps, obviously.
And I love the animation style

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and the way it changes to these
like unrealistic colors.

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But I think just the function of
that song, it makes so much more

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sense there because they're
they're they're like, hey, look

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over here, It's something shiny
before we kill the dad in front

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of you.
And it also gives you almost

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like an I Want song for Simba,
but from the view of like, you

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know, I know he's like 5 or 6 in
the movie, but like a 12 year

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old, right?
Like if you had a 12 year old

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Prince who wants to be king,
that would be his I Want song.

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Like, those are the things he
desires out of this world.

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And you've already received a
hint of the darkness of Scar,

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and you're about to get a full
dose of it.

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But you you start to understand
the amount of maturing that is

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going to have to happen in order
for Simba to be the rightful

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leader of Pride Rock.
And it's just like you said, the

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I Just Want to Be King is such
an incredible character

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development device because it
sets the bar for where he's at

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and how far he needs to grow.
This movie is such a like, it's

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such a Platonic ideal of a
pairing of sound design, music

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and then visuals as well.
And I think one of the first

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places I really noticed it is in
the following scene when they

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get caught in this elephant
graveyard.

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And it's the first time like a
little, I don't know what you

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want to call it, like a geyser
of steam comes out and you get

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that like deep bass boom of the
steam shooting.

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And then it cuts to like a Dutch
angle of the steam shooting up

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with the elephant's Tusk in the
background.

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And the kids are scared.
And it immediately plops you

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back into like, oh, this can be
a very intense movie.

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And I think that that really
sets you up for where the movie

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ultimately goes, which is Scars
big song.

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00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Be prepared.
Which as a kid, I hated that

445
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
song, not just 'cause I hated
Scar, but like, I always found

446
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,480
it to be kind of a boring song.
Now as an adult, I'm like.

447
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,440
The lyrics are great, the
visuals are great.

448
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,240
Like this song is so good.
Brad.

449
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:24,240
It's it's incredible man.
Like I the juxtaposition of all

450
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:30,760
of the bright like it almost
reminds me of a what was his

451
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,400
name?
Saul the the guy who made all

452
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,800
the openings.
Oh, Saul Bass.

453
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Saul Bass Like there's parts of
I Just Want to Be King that

454
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,800
remind me of a Saul Bass opening
title sequence with the way the

455
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,160
colors shift as they're like
riding the ostriches past.

456
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,200
It's this bright, bubbly, fun
thing.

457
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,400
And then you get to be prepared
and it is like black, grey,

458
00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:01,640
green, and it's just this super
dark, like Slytherin ask vibe

459
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,640
that I'd like I'm here for.
It's incredible.

460
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,120
And Jeremy Irons gives an
incredible performance with the

461
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,400
singing element here.
I want to share a fun fact about

462
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480
the song, but I don't want to
step on.

463
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,640
Are any of your two facts and a
falsehoods about?

464
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Be prepared.
I don't think so.

465
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,120
OK, so I don't know if you know
this, but Jeremy Irons in the

466
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,480
recording of the song.
Be prepared got so much vocal

467
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,880
strain that they only used his
takes through the end of that

468
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,280
second verse where he he jumps
down the ground splits open it's

469
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,680
like red underneath him and he
screams you won't get a sniff

470
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,320
without me.
That's the last thing that

471
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Jeremy Irons sings in that song.
And because this last verse was

472
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,520
like unusable, they brought in
voice actor Jim Cummings, who's

473
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
famous for playing Winnie the.
Winnie the Pooh.

474
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,320
To what?
To voice match Jeremy Irons.

475
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,960
So that whole last verse is
actually Jim Cummings and you.

476
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,200
He's so good that you can't tell
unless you're really listening

477
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,880
for it.
But yeah, I found that out just

478
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,280
a few weeks ago.
Bob, that's not Jim Cummings,

479
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
that's Winnie the Pooh singing.
Be prepared.

480
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120
I agree.
Would it be if he just if he

481
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:21,000
just did Winnie the Pooh though?
Have you heard him so?

482
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,520
So prepare for the cool of the
century.

483
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Have you heard Jim Cummings do
the Winnie the Pooh voice but

484
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160
with like completely not Winnie
the Pooh lines?

485
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,080
No, but I need to look that up
now.

486
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Oh, they're pretty great, man.
Yeah, I I love.

487
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Be prepared.
I'm with you about the 1st 45

488
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,480
minutes, like everything about
the first.

489
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
You know, half of this movie, a
little over half.

490
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,120
It flows so easily from one
place to the next, like the

491
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,840
circle of life song turns into
oh, here's a predator to the

492
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,320
circle of life and scar.
And then we get Simba going on

493
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,040
his adventure and then he has
his lecture with his dad.

494
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,040
And even with the lecture, the
there's, there's so much beauty

495
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760
there.
James Earl Jones is incredible.

496
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,680
I do remember thinking as he's
talking about like, but dad, we

497
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,080
eat the antelope and and James
Earl Jones like, well, son, we

498
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,920
turn into the grass someday.
I remember that I I was thinking

499
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,280
this time for the first time
ever, I was like, yeah, I don't

500
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:36,800
think one dead lion is going to
turn into enough fertilizer for

501
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840
this entire this.
Is not balanced.

502
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,400
You ate 40 of us bro.
I feel like the power dynamic is

503
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,720
a little bit off, but it's all
right.

504
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,760
It's a circle.
Of life.

505
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Well, while we're talking about
that, let's let's throw out some

506
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,520
more hot takes about the Kingdom
that Mufasa and then Scar and

507
00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,800
then Simba rules over Scar from
one perspective, a master

508
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,440
diplomat.
I mean, he really does bring the

509
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,120
unification of two nations
together and and history will

510
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,040
look kindly on that, I think.
Dude here's the thing though, I

511
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,640
never caught this before but
when the hyenas are supposed to

512
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,680
kill Simba in the elephant
graveyard and fail, Scar is

513
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,120
talking to them.
And the way the hyenas talk

514
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,640
about Mufasa is not like hey we
want to murder this guy he's

515
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320
ruining our lives.
Like they they actually have

516
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,840
like this respect.
For it.

517
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Like, like, yeah, like, life's
not perfect, but we have what we

518
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,440
need to survive.
And like, it's almost like they

519
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,840
are supporting the circle of
life that Mufasa is like

520
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,800
enforcing on the the pride
realm.

521
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760
Yeah.
And it's like Scar is the only

522
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000
one who is trying to upset the
balance.

523
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
I like to think of it as like
the hyenas are the Toronto

524
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,880
Raptors the entire time LeBron
James was in the Eastern

525
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,200
Conference.
And they're like, you know, like

526
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560
you, you keep us across the
border from you at all times.

527
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Like man, we hate Mufasa.
We hate LeBron.

528
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
What are we supposed to do, kill
LeBron?

529
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Like that's not it hasn't even
come into their mind like

530
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
because all they do is get
freaking owned by LeBron all the

531
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,720
time.
And it's not till he leaves that

532
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,680
they can have that they can rise
to power.

533
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Dude, I I am with you on this
analogy but all I hear you

534
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,120
saying is that Canada is the
dark place that we don't talk.

535
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,040
About I mean, yeah, that was.
I thought that was a given,

536
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080
dude.
OK, what with?

537
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Their yeah, you were clear on
your point.

538
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,280
And free healthcare, you know?
Yeah.

539
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,040
Someday when you're running for
president, Bob, this is going to

540
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120
come back to bite you in the
butt and be like, hey, this

541
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Robert doesn't understand
foreign politics.

542
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520
He hates Canada.
You know who does understand

543
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,120
foreign politics though, is
Scar.

544
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480
That was my point.
My second hot take, Brad.

545
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Yeah, very clearly.
How how susceptible to getting

546
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840
completely overthrown is this
Kingdom though?

547
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:08,240
Because when Simba comes back
and and defeats Scar, Scar is a

548
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,600
feeble old man who clearly can't
fight it.

549
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,800
Like, literally, he gets tossed
by Symbol one time and he's dead

550
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,760
'cause he gets eaten by hyenas.
Now everyone else in the Kingdom

551
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,080
are the female lionesses who are
emaciated from having no food

552
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,000
for God knows how long, and
Simba has been living on a

553
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,520
strictly vegan diet for like 12
years.

554
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,720
So like I.
Don't.

555
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,000
I don't know if bugs are vegan.
I mean, OK, sure.

556
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400
I mean it's like the veganism of
the lion world, I guess, is what

557
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800
I'm saying.
Because they they don't call him

558
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,480
a carnivore anymore.
So like the first lion that

559
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400
shows up that had protein, like
clearly is the new king of this

560
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,160
Kingdom.
Right.

561
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Obviously, Yeah, no.
And, and obviously the moment

562
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,960
that the hyenas kill Scar, they
all just are like, yeah, we'll

563
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,960
piece back out to the elephant
graveyard and hang it out there.

564
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,760
I was going to say like, there's
there's no final battle.

565
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,680
They're just like, all right, we
got Scar and now everything's

566
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,480
back to the status quo.
Yep.

567
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Yeah, dude, I'm just saying like
the second that some dude bro

568
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,200
lion that eats like raw meat and
listens to Joe Rogan shows up in

569
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,240
this Kingdom like it's it's a
wrap, dude.

570
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,480
I was about to say, 'cause if
we're talking about Matthew

571
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,280
Broderick as the king, like,
come on.

572
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,040
My main complaints about this
movie is wrapped up in the fact

573
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,880
who the heck decided that
Matthew Broderick was the the

574
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,200
next king of Pride Rock?
What was going on there?

575
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,000
I like, I know he had some
popularity back then, but Dag

576
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,440
gone.
Do you know how disappointed

577
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,960
James Earl Jones would be if his
son grew up to sound like

578
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,560
Matthew Broderick?
Yeah.

579
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,720
I will say one thing about
Matthew Broderick that drives me

580
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240
absolutely crazy.
And first of all, I like Matthew

581
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,400
Broderick.
I like him as Ferris Bueller.

582
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,639
He is fantastic as Leo Bloom in
The Producers.

583
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,199
He's got a great singing voice.
He's.

584
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,679
Dude incredible in the
producers.

585
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,199
I've never heard a recorded
voice performance for an

586
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,920
animated movie that let's their
actor make so many mouth sounds.

587
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,320
And what I mean by that is,
Brad, when I'm editing our

588
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,199
podcast, every time that you or
I start a sentence with like a

589
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,280
tongue click, where we go, I I
have to cut that out.

590
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120
It's it's infuriating to
everyone who listens.

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Matthew Broderick does that for
every line.

592
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,600
It's like they'll tell him like,
OK, say your line now and he'll

593
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,440
go and then he'll say his line.
They'll be like Simba come back

594
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
to Pride Rock and he'll be like,
sorry.

595
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,320
Every single line it drove me
Batty.

596
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,400
Dude, I couldn't get over how
many weird mouth sounds he made.

597
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400
And it's not just the the mouth
sounds, it's the lack of

598
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,400
editing.
Like yes, everybody does that.

599
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Just edit it out.
You're freaking Disney.

600
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Like I know it's the Disney B
team, but if you could do rack

601
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,880
focuses all day long, you can
edit out Matthew Broderick's

602
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,760
freaking breathiness.
It is, he's certainly making

603
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160
choices with the way that he is
delivering that voice

604
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,640
performance.
And like, I understand that it

605
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,480
is on purpose.
I understand that they're trying

606
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,480
to show that he's unsure of
himself, that he has that sense

607
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,680
of youthfulness 'cause, you
know, Broderick does not have

608
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,400
like a big booming voice.
I just think that it is the most

609
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960
colossal misstep of this whole
movie.

610
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Yes.
Yeah, easily.

611
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
And I know you're not a huge fan
of Timon and Pumba.

612
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
I think I can get down with
Timon and Pumba.

613
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,840
I I actually really like the the
choices of the voice actors.

614
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,840
I enjoy them as characters, even
though I still contest that they

615
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
are the true villains of The
Lion King.

616
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,880
But you know, that's, that's my
thing.

617
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
I'll I'll die on that hill by
myself.

618
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,160
I think that Matthew Broderick
is the major misstep in this

619
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:16,640
movie, as well as the choice to
move from a very sassy black

620
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,600
young girl to a very white Nala.
At the end of that, I mean like

621
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,840
young Simba is voiced by
Jonathan Taylor Thomas, but the

622
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,160
singing voice is not white
either.

623
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040
He's he's voiced by Jason
Weaver, who I I mean, I don't

624
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,840
know if you would know this
Brad, but like I know him from

625
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,400
the Jacksons miniseries.
He played Michael Jackson and I

626
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
like that was a big part of my
childhood too.

627
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,960
He's got a great singing voice.
Everybody goes from being young

628
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,840
and black to old and white.
And I don't I don't like it like

629
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,880
the the loss of any sort of
soulfulness in their singing

630
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,360
voices, in their like voice
performances.

631
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
It is like a a big clear Ding on
this movie.

632
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,000
Yeah, like I said, dude, I don't
think James Earl Jones would be

633
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,280
happy if his son ended up
sounding like Matthew Broderick.

634
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,320
OK, here's my, perhaps my,
perhaps my hottest take of all.

635
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,600
I think this is James Earl
Jones's best singular voice

636
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
performance.
And I don't, I'm not trying to

637
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,080
say that collectively that Darth
Vader is not what he's going to

638
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,440
be known for.
But if you think about like what

639
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:26,320
Lucas asks him to do emotionally
as Darth Vader, you know, Darth

640
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,720
Vader's mask, like the the
mechanics of the mask.

641
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,640
I don't know what the lore is
Brad, but I imagine that like

642
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,760
it's specifically like so
robotic that it literally takes

643
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,000
the emotion out of, you know,
even at the in the Episode 3

644
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200
when he screams, no, there's not
a real emotion there because

645
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,560
he's speaking through a robot
mask.

646
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,840
There's not real emotion there.
You're such a hater.

647
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,600
I know, but I think you know
what I'm trying to say.

648
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Like the in the in the world of
Star Wars, like the robotic

649
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,240
voice you're hearing isn't the
character Darth Vader's real

650
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,560
voice, it's his voice as
projected through like his his

651
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560
band mask, you know?
It's modulated, yes.

652
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Yeah.
And I think what James Earl

653
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Jones is permitted to do here
with his range is just, Oh my

654
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
gosh, man, it's unbelievable.
And I have this, like, really

655
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,800
great sound set up on my
upstairs TV now.

656
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,720
I have like, the sound bar and
the subwoofer.

657
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920
My guy was like rattling my
walls with his bass voice.

658
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,760
It was incredible, dude.
How do you do that with kids in

659
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,920
the house, man?
They were watching it with me.

660
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,960
They loved it.
Yeah, I guess they were watching

661
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,160
it with you, man.
I we are thinking about getting

662
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,200
rid of our TV.
So that's.

663
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,680
Like all together.
Wow, I'm telling you dude, by

664
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,240
the time this podcast is over,
like you will be full Amish.

665
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,240
You're like you're trending that
direction.

666
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,800
I've I dude I've been legit
thinking about getting one of

667
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
those phones from techless.
Have you heard?

668
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,760
Of Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no screen on it.

669
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,320
Yep.
Well, it it's a it's a there is

670
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,560
a screen, it's a smartphone that
has no Internet like

671
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,480
accessibility, like you still
get GPS, you can still take

672
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,640
pictures, you can still text
call, you know, it's got a few

673
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000
basic things, but the main thing
is you can't get on the

674
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Internet.
You don't have YouTube, no

675
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,080
Instagram.
I'm I'm.

676
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,400
What I'm what I'm hearing is
that all of the things we have

677
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,880
to do week to week to promote
this podcast are fallen squarely

678
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,360
on Old Bob's shoulders here.
Has has it been any different

679
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,520
this whole time?
No, it hasn't, but I wasn't

680
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
gonna out you like that.
All right, dude, I think we

681
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,080
should take a break here.
I'm really excited to get into

682
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,880
our whiskey for the day.
Henry McKenna.

683
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160
As we said, this is kind of a
game changer whiskey in the

684
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
course of our podcast.
But in the broader whiskey

685
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,080
world, I have not revisited it
in a long time.

686
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,320
Brad, have you had Henry McKenna
since we had it for the show?

687
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Nope.
All right, ten seasons later,

688
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,720
let's see what Bob and Brad
think.

689
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,040
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

690
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,400
All right, so today we are
revisiting a whiskey that has

691
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,040
had its ups and downs over the
years, and that is Henry

692
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,480
McKenna.
Bottled in Bond Single Barrel

693
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Bourbon.
This whiskey is, first of all a

694
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,440
mouthful to say.
Usually when you refer to Henry

695
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
McKenna, you can just say Henry
McKenna and people know that

696
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160
you're talking about this
bottle, but they do actually

697
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,280
make a kind of bottom shelf
cheap version of Henry McKenna

698
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,040
and it's like a brown label.
And that stuff is unpalatable,

699
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,400
like real bad.
So today we are drinking the

700
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,680
good stuff.
And when we say the good stuff,

701
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
you know, what I'm referring to
is that this is the whiskey that

702
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,360
I would say kind of precipitated
the bourbon boom when it was

703
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,120
named best in show whiskey at
the 2019 San Francisco World

704
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,160
Spirits Competition.
This was a $40 bottle of whiskey

705
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,760
that was beating out, you know,
2530 year age scotches for best

706
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,400
in show Whiskey I.
Think it was like 35 bucks.

707
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,720
Yeah, yeah.
Like, like really Jeep back

708
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,720
then.
And, you know, Brad and I have

709
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,760
heard our stories about how this
whiskey came to be named best in

710
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,920
show.
And it's a very kind of backroom

711
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,680
political story that we are not
at all at liberty to share.

712
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,200
But in any case, it, you know,
it won some awards and after it

713
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,200
won the 2019 award, it was
unfindable for like 2 years,

714
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,040
absolutely exploded in
popularity and in price.

715
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,800
Oh yeah.
Brad and I were lucky enough to

716
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,240
get our hands on a bottle when
we first started the podcast,

717
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,280
and that's how we were able to
review it.

718
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,440
I've only bought one more bottle
of this in the year since, and

719
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,720
I've revisited it one time since
then.

720
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,000
It's a good whiskey, but I'm
excited to see what we think of

721
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,120
it now, now that we've tried
like 500 of them.

722
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Yeah, I'm, I'm really curious if
you could make a meme of like,

723
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:07,840
Henry McKenna being Mufasa and
price gouging being Scar ripping

724
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,120
its claws into Mufasa and
throwing him into the horde of

725
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,200
wildebeest 'cause I I have a
feeling that at $35, this is a

726
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:23,360
really solid whiskey, and at
$65, it certainly can be called

727
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,280
a whiskey.
Yeah.

728
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,120
I mean, you know, this is the
whiskey that kind of caused the

729
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,480
damage that we're seeing now to
the bourbon industry in terms of

730
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,840
pricing.
But at the end of the day, like

731
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,720
even if it is 50 something
dollars, it's a 50 something

732
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,400
dollar single barrel that's
right in line with the market.

733
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,640
And very few of them are 10 year
age stated like this one is.

734
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,880
So I don't think that it's
exorbitant even for what it is.

735
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Brad, let's go ahead and dive
into tasting this whiskey.

736
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,440
We'll start with the nose.
What are you picking up on the

737
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,080
nose of this Henry McKenna
single barrel?

738
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,600
There's a little bit of cherry
on the opening with there is

739
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
caramel and vanilla.
It gets into a really nice

740
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,320
peppery phase, the 2nd and 3rd
nosing and I do get like a

741
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,160
really nice gentle peanut
brittle that goes along with it.

742
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
It's it's a really pleasant nose
that I'm going to give it a A7

743
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,480
and a half two.
Yeah, Heaven Hill has just

744
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,200
really nailed this mash bill.
This is like their standard mash

745
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:32,160
bill for whiskey with rye in it.
A high rye whiskey kind of the

746
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440
same thing on the other side
with their weeded bourbons.

747
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,280
So this is, I believe, the same
mash bill that we would drink if

748
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,920
we were trying the Luxe Row
products that were higher rye

749
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,040
mash bill.
So I already love it.

750
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,800
It's everything you would expect
from this kind of a mash bill.

751
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,720
The rye is like much softer,
which I really like, and it

752
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,160
brings out some of those dark
cherry notes that you were

753
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,680
talking about.
This is just like a really good

754
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,880
middle of the road bourbon
whiskey scent.

755
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,800
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2 out
of 10.

756
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Yeah, and as we move into the
pallets, the peanut butter

757
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,200
really takes the forefront at
100 proof.

758
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,360
The viscosity isn't quite where
I would hope it would be, but

759
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,280
the peanut butter flavors come
through.

760
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,800
There's caramel, there's a
little bit of like a salted

761
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,000
popcorn kind of vibe going on
it.

762
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,880
It's a really pleasant bourbon
to drink.

763
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,680
I think I'm going to give it an
8 out of 10.

764
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,280
Yep.
You know, like when you get a

765
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,400
jar of the natural peanut butter
and it has that layer of like

766
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,840
peanut oil that's.
The only peanut butter the G

767
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,840
household imbibes and.
Felt there you go.

768
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,440
I was going to say it doesn't
taste like Jiffy peanut butter

769
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,520
or or Jiff peanut butter.
It tastes like more of the oil

770
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,440
that you get on top, much more
of that kind of natural peanut

771
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,120
oil flavour.
I really like that it does coat

772
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,720
the tongue, but you're right,
it's not very thick.

773
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,400
It's a really thin mouthfeel.
The spice comes through really

774
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,920
nicely, though.
The rye makes itself known on

775
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,560
the back of the pallet and it's
it drinks a little hotter than I

776
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,600
would expect honestly, Brad, for
100 proof, I think this is like

777
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,880
the perfect bottle of whiskey to
to jump your game up.

778
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,360
You know, like if, if you're, if
you've just kind of gotten into

779
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,920
bourbon and you're, you're like,
I want to try a single barrel or

780
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,600
I want to try a 10 year bourbon.
This is like it's, it's not

781
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,280
super complex, but it reminds
me, I flashed back five years to

782
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,760
when we were first trying this
and we said, oh, this is

783
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,480
different than anything we've
drank to this point.

784
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,720
Yeah.
Now, have we had better stuff

785
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:41,760
since then?
Obviously.

786
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,240
But this is it's like a
nostalgic for me at this point.

787
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,840
So I'm rambling now.
I think I'm going to give it an

788
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,440
8 out of 10.
This has nothing to do with

789
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,600
whiskey Bob, but have you ever
had like a friend who has

790
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,640
chickens and they give you eggs
and like compare that to store

791
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,960
bought eggs?
Yeah, where the yolks are like

792
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,680
so much more orange and stuff.
Just like vibrantly yellow

793
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,880
orange and then you go back to
store bought eggs and you're

794
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:15,560
like, this looks very sad.
We keep a small jar of like

795
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Kroger brand peanut butter for
the dog to like put on their

796
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Kong toy and the color of that
peanut butter compared to like

797
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,800
smuckers all natural.
You have to stir it up peanut

798
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200
butter.
It's the exact same experience,

799
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,520
man.
The Kroger peanut butter is this

800
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,920
like really light brown that
feels almost like sickly and

801
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,560
Juan compared to like real
peanut butter.

802
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,880
It's wild, man.
Nothing to do with whiskey.

803
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,800
Finish Are you?
Are you saying that this is the

804
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,040
sad version of like a?
Good whiskey.

805
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
I don't think I was making any
comments on this whiskey.

806
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,920
I I think this has a really nice
peanut butter flavor and I'm

807
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,680
with you that it's a nice real
peanut butter flavor.

808
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,120
The finish is once again that
salted butter for the rye.

809
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,240
It turns into a really nice like
black peppercorn freshly cracked

810
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,360
pepper flavor for me and the
caramel flavor matures into this

811
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,040
really nice like burnt brown
sugar on the finish.

812
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,080
I'm going to stick at an 8 out
of 10 on the finish.

813
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,640
It it is really pleasant.
I'm going to come down to A7 on

814
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,240
the finish.
I had a second sip of this and

815
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,680
it kind of confirmed what
happened the first time.

816
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,320
For me.
That cherry flavor turns into

817
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,280
like an almost Robitussin kind
of flavor.

818
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,280
There's a little bit of
medicinal something going on in

819
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,200
there and I think it's the
barley.

820
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,520
I think the barley is making
itself known.

821
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,120
It doesn't quite like tip sour,
but it really tempts itself with

822
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,480
that.
And so I think overall the

823
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,840
finish, while long lasting and
fairly pleasant, was probably

824
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,320
the worst part of this
experience for me.

825
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,200
So it's just a 7 for me on the
finish, on the balance.

826
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,400
I actually think this is a well
balanced whiskey.

827
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,520
It like it knows what it is and
I think that we can get into

828
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,400
talking about this part of it
with the value, but this is not

829
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,080
something that you need to line
up around the liquor store to

830
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,480
find a bottle of.
This is like a really solid

831
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,320
single barrel bourbon that
should cost $40.

832
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,280
And at that I'm I'm going to
read that back onto the balance

833
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,040
here.
For what it is, it's well

834
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,560
balanced.
Like I'll give it an 8 out of 10

835
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,200
on balance.
Yeah, I'm, I'm at a 7 1/2 out of

836
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,800
10.
On balance, I think that this

837
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,680
offers some really great
flavors.

838
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,720
Nothing too complex, but it's
what you would want out of a 10

839
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,520
year single barrel, so 7 1/2 out
of time on balance.

840
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Here's the rub.
This bottle will cost you $65 in

841
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,280
the state of Ohio and I I'd say
that's representative of what

842
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,440
you might find it at in price
controlled states across the

843
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,600
nation.
There's definitely places in non

844
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,120
price controlled states that you
might find this for 80 to $100

845
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,000
and I would say that's just
ridiculous.

846
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,640
At $65.
I think this is about $20 too

847
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,360
expensive, Bob.
Agreed.

848
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Yeah, just for what you're
drinking now, again, A10 year

849
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,440
single barrel.
I think the only thing I can

850
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,280
really compare this to is like a
Russell's Reserve, which is

851
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,760
similarly priced to this.
So I don't think that they're

852
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,760
like price gouging you.
But I also think that I've had a

853
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,480
lot of Russell's Reserve that I
like better than this single

854
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,960
barrel that we're drinking right
now.

855
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,920
So I'm with you, even though it
is fairly priced and the whiskey

856
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,880
in the bottle, you know, it
doesn't scream like you should

857
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,360
pay $65 for me.
Yep.

858
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,080
And I do kind of wonder like
once this whiskey blew up and

859
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,600
sold out everywhere, how many
barrels that were never intended

860
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,440
to become Henry McKenna, then
had to become designated as

861
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Henry McKenna barrels.
So, you know, the 2019 stock I'm

862
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,880
sure was better than this.
Sure.

863
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,840
And that, like that's nothing
against Heaven Hill.

864
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,520
They're a huge operation.
They have plenty of 10 year old

865
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
barrels to go around.
But I do wonder if it kind of

866
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,280
diluted the brand down a little
bit.

867
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,240
Yeah.
And at the end of the day, like

868
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:28,000
this is a really solid 7 1/2 out
of 10 on all of the flavor

869
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,800
elements of the scoring.
I think that value wise, if this

870
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,120
had jumped with inflation and
the bourbon boom, if this had

871
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:42,800
jumped from 35 to $45.00, I
would be 100% like 7 and a half,

872
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,160
eight out of 10 value.
This is a really good whiskey.

873
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,520
You should pick it up at $65.
I think I'm going to give it a 5

874
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,160
out of 10 on value.
It's not a bad bottle of

875
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,680
bourbon.
You're going to enjoy the

876
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,200
experience.
You're just paying a premium for

877
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,560
a Double Gold award 1 five years
ago.

878
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,760
Now, again, this is not a fair
comparison because this is a

879
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,920
single barrel.
But at this price point, you

880
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,920
could get a bottle of Wild
Turkey Rare Breed and still have

881
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,080
$10 in your pocket.
You can get a bottle of Old

882
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,280
Forrester 1920 and still have a
couple dollars in your pocket.

883
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,200
I just think that there are
better whiskeys out there at the

884
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,480
price point, regardless of if
they're, you know, age stated to

885
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,240
a certain year or if they're a
blend as opposed to a single

886
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,560
barrel.
Yeah, so.

887
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,280
Woodford Double O.
Yeah, exactly.

888
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,120
So I'm going to give it just a 5
out of 10 as well on value.

889
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,040
And that brings me to a 35.5 out
of 50.

890
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Brad, where are you?
I am eminently higher than you.

891
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,080
Just blew you out of the water
Bob, with a 36 out of 50.

892
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:54,080
All right, so that takes us to a
35.75 on average or a 71.5 out

893
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,960
of 100.
Now again folks, you might see a

894
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,000
71 and think that this is like
AC level whiskey.

895
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,440
I don't think that's true.
We always have to factor in the

896
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,400
price point and whether people
are getting kind of screwed on

897
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,040
the price.
I think Henry McKenna the

898
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,600
bourbon is perfectly fine.
It's a well above average

899
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,880
whiskey.
I'd recommend trying it at the

900
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,280
bar.
You know, if you really want to

901
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,320
get a bottle of it for the
status symbol, I guess, sure, go

902
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,280
ahead.
I just think you're paying about

903
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,080
$20 too much.
Yeah, I I am with you in

904
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200
lockstep on this, Bob.
Obviously we came out to almost

905
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,520
exactly the same score.
I think we're kind of in

906
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,400
lockstep with our movie as well.
The Lion King is a hell of a

907
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,960
movie, and I'm really glad that
we're reviewing it today.

908
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,880
How about we get back to that
that review?

909
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,520
Sounds good, Brad.
Let's get to it.

910
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,040
All right, everybody, that was
Henry McKenna Bottled and Bond

911
00:52:54,040 --> 00:53:00,280
Single Barrel, a whiskey that
set the hype train moving in a

912
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,040
similar way that Angels Envy did
around barrel finish.

913
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,400
That's true.
And it like.

914
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,680
Yeah, I I good comparison.
Thanks, man.

915
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,240
I I'd say that I like Henry
McKenna a little more than I do

916
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,240
angels envy like in the realm of
what it did, but like it, you

917
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,360
know, it got the train moving it
it changed the game as we knew

918
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,800
it helped alter the rules of the
deal.

919
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,640
But here we are years and years
later going man, we've come a

920
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,920
long way because there is some
daggone good stuff coming out of

921
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,360
heaven.
Hell, that's not just Henry

922
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,840
McKenna.
All right dude.

923
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Well on that note, what do you
say we keep this train A roll in

924
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,960
and we get into our next segment
for the day, which we call 2

925
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,880
facts and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

926
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,400
you ball 2.
All right, and what is wrong?

927
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,360
2 facts and a.
Falsehood 2 Facts and a

928
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,920
Falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad presents me with

929
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,720
three items as fact about the
making of this movie, one of

930
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,720
which is a complete lie, none of
which is about the song.

931
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,200
Be prepared.
I'm really glad that I checked

932
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,920
with you beforehand.
Although I really, I just keep

933
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
it in my pocket and get this
right, you know?

934
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,400
I didn't say that one of them
was.

935
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,880
All three of them are about.
Be prepared.

936
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,640
All right man, hit me with your
two facts and a falsehood.

937
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Fact Number one voice actor
Frank Welker provided all of the

938
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,840
lion roars for the film.
Not a single recording of an

939
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,520
actual lion roaring was used
because the producers wanted

940
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,200
specific sounding roars for each
lion.

941
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,720
Fact #2 The Wildebeest Stampede
took Disney's CG department

942
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,000
approximately 3 years to
animate.

943
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,200
A new computer program had to be
written for the CG will to be

944
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,720
Stampede that allowed hundreds
of computer generated animals to

945
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,320
run but without colliding into
each other.

946
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,840
Fact #3 Casting director Andrew
Phillips had a difficult time

947
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,720
casting the role of Zazu, as
both Rowan Atkinson and Chris

948
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,800
Rock had tried out for the role.
When Rock found out that

949
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,720
Atkinson had also auditioned for
the role, he graciously bowed

950
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,680
out, stating that the role fit
Atkinson like a glove.

951
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,920
This is interesting.
OK, so #2 stands out to me, not

952
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,840
necessarily for being false, but
I think it was one of the few

953
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,240
places in the movie where I
could tell that there were some

954
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,640
CGI elements.
And in particular it's like when

955
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,320
the camera pans, I don't even
pans it like lifts up to reveal

956
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,720
the wildebeests on the like
plateau above.

957
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,800
You can tell that like that's
definitely like a computer

958
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,920
assisted thing.
It looks different from the rest

959
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,440
of the movie when they start
running down the face of that

960
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,280
Cliff that looks like the Cliff
kind of looks CGIA little bit,

961
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,360
but everybody.
And I watch Attack on Titan

962
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,360
together, which is an anime and
most of it is all hand drawn,

963
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,520
but there's a decent amount of
CG stuff in there.

964
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,200
And every time we see something
that's CG we we go CG wheel, CG

965
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,080
flag, CG horse and pointed out.
And I literally had that moment

966
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,440
watching this where I was like
CG wildebeest.

967
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,680
See that was the thing, I don't
know if the wildebeests were CG

968
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,840
or not.
That's what I'm trying to think

969
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,040
of it.
If they just like put them on

970
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,320
top of ACG environment.
So that one, like I'm flagging

971
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,280
it.
But I definitely noticed CG in

972
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,960
that scene for sure #3 Rowan
Atkinson is fantastic as Azzu.

973
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,480
They could not have picked a
more perfect person for that.

974
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,840
I will say that like I have
never watched like watched the

975
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,840
full movie of the 2019 Lion
King.

976
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,040
But if you're going to recast
Rowan Atkinson, like John Oliver

977
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,120
is actually pretty good casting
for the Floyd Sasu.

978
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,960
He he just reminds me of an
annoying, you know, dodo or

979
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,600
whatever it was parrot.
The the casting of birds in the

980
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:54,160
90s was pretty top notch because
Gilbert Gottfried in Aladdin is

981
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,040
incredible.
I just love that they're like,

982
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,760
OK, we're in like Saudi Arabia.
Who should play this bird?

983
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,400
Gilbert Godfrey.
Give me the roll.

984
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,720
OK, so that kind of leaves
number one.

985
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,080
I dude, I just don't believe
that every single lion roar was

986
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,880
done by a human being.
That I maybe it was, but I'm

987
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,200
going to put my eggs in that
basket.

988
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,160
I'm going to say #1 is the
falsehood, Brad.

989
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,240
Bob, I was hoping you'd pick
that because that is the first

990
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,280
fact on the IMDb page.
What is it really?

991
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,440
That one is true.
Yeah, it's 100% true.

992
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,720
And I am telling you, I
immediately went on YouTube and

993
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,040
typed in Frank Welker, Lion
King.

994
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,640
It is the most psychotic thing
I've ever seen.

995
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,600
This man is literally screaming
into like a tin like silver

996
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,920
medal trash can and like holding
a tambourine looking thing and

997
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:02,360
he's like angrily screaming into
it and it sounds exactly like a

998
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,000
real lion.
That's crazy dude.

999
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,400
It's it's literally one of the
most bonkers things I've ever

1000
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,200
seen.
And as as soon as I saw it, I

1001
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,000
was like, oh, I'm going to get
Bob with this.

1002
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,960
Yeah, you did.
I was like, there's no way.

1003
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,800
OK, So what is the falsehood?
#3 was the falsehood.

1004
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Oh nice.
Yeah, nothing about Christmas.

1005
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,120
Had him pegged from the
beginning.

1006
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,400
Yeah, yeah, Atkinson very
obviously is the perfect

1007
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,000
casting.
It's so funny because he's such

1008
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,520
a good voice actor and his most
famous character is basically a

1009
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,920
silent movie character, you
know?

1010
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,800
Yep.
Yeah, no, I, I will say I think

1011
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:47,000
Mr. Bean is one of the greatest
comedic characters ever created

1012
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,880
in the history of comedy, film,
television.

1013
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,600
Like anything he did, he is
absolutely perfect then.

1014
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Well, you know, Speaking of
super hilarious things, we're

1015
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,160
going to segue back into the
death of Mufasa, perhaps the

1016
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,160
most crushing thing ever to be
hoisted upon.

1017
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,400
Children.
I laughed pretty hard.

1018
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,240
The the only thing funnier in
the movie than that is when

1019
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,960
Simba thinks that it was his
fault.

1020
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,320
Yeah.
Oh yeah, gaslighting, am I

1021
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,760
right?
Let's talk real quick about the

1022
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,720
the Stampede scene, the death of
Mufasa.

1023
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,360
I think this is another one of
those areas where their ability

1024
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,160
to kind of animate like dust
clouds is really, really well

1025
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,240
done in the scene because
there's a shot, it's right after

1026
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,040
Mufasa jumps out of the herd of
wildebeest and is you get that

1027
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,880
shot of him struggling to get up
the rock and try to hold on.

1028
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,320
And then it cuts back to like an
over the shoulder of Simba

1029
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,840
looking and between him and his
dad trying to climb up the face

1030
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,200
of this Cliff is there's this
this cloud of dust obscuring

1031
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,680
everything.
And it's like the most there's

1032
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,680
so much visual information going
on in that shot.

1033
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,800
And I just have to say again,
you know, if we can consider

1034
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,040
that an action sequence, the
geography of that space is so

1035
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,680
well done.
Like they lay the whole thing

1036
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280
out for you.
They show you where the

1037
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,480
wildebeests are.
They show you how they get, you

1038
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,080
know, goaded into stampeding.
But even things like.

1039
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,280
The direction of everything
moving left to right, and then

1040
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,800
Mufasa has to go down among
them, and then he gets to the

1041
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,600
end and turns around and comes
back and now everything's moving

1042
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,080
right to left or whatever, you
know what I mean?

1043
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:28,080
Like whichever direction, it's
just so, so well done that it

1044
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,480
it's a chaotic sequence, but
it's never incoherent.

1045
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,840
And and the way that they end it
where when Simba's looking for

1046
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,480
his dad and the and the one
wildebeest kind of pops up out

1047
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,920
of the smoke and runs past him,
which gives you that perfect

1048
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,240
like you're watching something
and you're like, oh crap.

1049
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,360
And then you see the broken
branch that Simba had been on

1050
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,680
and his dad lying just corpse
like underneath it.

1051
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,920
It.
It's chilling dude, it's so well

1052
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,120
done.
I don't remember watching Bambi

1053
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,720
as a kid.
I don't know if my parents ever

1054
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,760
showed it to me.
And you know, all I'd ever heard

1055
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,680
was like Bambi's mom, Bambi's
mom.

1056
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,880
I watched Bambi as an adult.
First of all, incredible movie.

1057
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,040
You don't see Bambi's mom die.
You hear a gunshot and then like

1058
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,240
they can't find Bambi's mom and
that's it, dude.

1059
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,400
This movie goes so much further
and like arguably further than

1060
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,720
it should.
This movie is like deeply fucked

1061
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,720
up for for like 5 minutes there
where you see a dead body.

1062
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,240
The kid is trying to get his dad
to wake up and like we got to go

1063
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,800
home and then realizing not only
is my dad dead, I'm scared and

1064
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760
we're alone here and like
cuddling up to him because he

1065
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,160
doesn't know what else to do.
Heartbreaking.

1066
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,160
And then the the most screwed up
thing is like you don't even get

1067
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,720
time as a viewer to truly grieve
Mufasa before Scar is right

1068
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,960
there again and the first thing
he says is Simba.

1069
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,560
Dude, the way the way he appears
out of the smoke.

1070
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,600
It's just like looking down at
him and he says, Simba, what

1071
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,560
have you done?
And it's like in in lieu of

1072
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,600
being able to actually kill him,
now I can leverage this against

1073
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,480
him.
And the the second that he says,

1074
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,080
you know, the fact remains, the
king is dead and he'd still be

1075
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,720
alive if it wasn't for you, I'm
like, Oh my gosh, dude.

1076
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,760
Like this movie is like
psychologically screwed up.

1077
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,680
It is like one of the more
twisted psychological thrillers

1078
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,120
I've ever seen.
Ever.

1079
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,800
So one of the things that we
talk about at my job, the the

1080
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:41,560
company I work for is that
darkness and evil is always

1081
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,680
seeking to twist things against
you, that it's always seeking to

1082
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,360
give you the worst version of
something to believe.

1083
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,560
And I don't know if I've ever
seen a better illustration of

1084
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,760
that.
Then when Scar walks up to him

1085
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,280
afterwards and does all the
things you just said, like the

1086
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,200
the amount of gaslighting that
he does to get symbol it to get

1087
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:14,800
Simba to believe this lie at the
core of his being that I am a

1088
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,760
murderer.
I not only am a murderer but I

1089
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,320
killed my father the the person
I look up to more than anything

1090
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,520
else in the world.
Like tell me that people aren't

1091
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,920
walking around this planet
believing lies about themselves

1092
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,040
to be true, and those lies that
they believe about themselves

1093
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,200
lead them to become a person
that they were never intended to

1094
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,720
be.
The same way that, you know, he

1095
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,000
becomes going off and eating
grubs.

1096
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:51,160
And like, it's wild how accurate
this movie displays that reality

1097
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,040
that is so true for so many
people on this planet.

1098
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,960
Man, I hate to like even have to
segue out of that.

1099
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,760
Good, good point well taken
Brad.

1100
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,480
Enjoy your moment for a hot 2nd.
We do need to talk about the

1101
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,200
back half of this movie because
it is, I think.

1102
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,880
Do we though?
I just think it's weaker than

1103
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,440
the first half.
I think that kind of goes

1104
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,400
without saying.
But I have come around on it in

1105
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,160
the fact that it's like the
Timon and Pumbaa stuff only

1106
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,760
really suffers from the fact
that it's like an 8 out of 10

1107
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,400
movie and the rest of the movie
around it is a 10 out of 10

1108
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,640
movie.
And so it's kind of unfair cause

1109
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,040
the comedy works.
I do think they could have done

1110
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,240
with like two or three less pop
culture jokes.

1111
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,720
Cause like, how do you know how
to do the hula in, in the

1112
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,840
African Savannah, you know, in
drag, right?

1113
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,080
Exactly.
Like how do you know quotes from

1114
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,440
the movie in the heat of the
night?

1115
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,440
I don't understand.
Where are you watching these

1116
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,920
films, Pumba?
Is is that the you can call me

1117
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,440
Mr. Yeah.
Yep, Yep, Yep.

1118
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,280
OK, yeah, I I had no idea what
that was.

1119
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,920
We'll watch that movie someday.
It's a great movie, but and also

1120
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,520
if you see that line in context,
then you'll be like, why?

1121
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,080
Why are they making fun of that
lion in The Lion King?

1122
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,800
So anyway, all that just say
like.

1123
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,600
I will say in our household the
song that Timon sings are yakin

1124
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,640
for some bacon that like we sing
that song at least once a week

1125
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,240
in our.
House.

1126
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,720
That's funny.
I mean, listen it as Hula's go,

1127
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,600
it's a good one.
It just is.

1128
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,280
It's an incredible, a very wrong
part of the globe to be doing

1129
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,920
that.
Bob, here's the deal.

1130
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:34,240
You can be a big pig too.
So, you know, it's funny because

1131
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,320
like I I still don't think this
movie has really any fad on it,

1132
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,840
but there is just something
about the fact that you go from

1133
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:45,240
A10 to an 8 pretty quickly that
after Hakuna Matata when Nala

1134
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,560
shows up, it's all like plot
like it.

1135
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,200
The everything there is
essential to the movie, but it's

1136
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,280
kind of like if you need to take
a pee break, you really can

1137
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,840
right there.
You can come back 5 minutes

1138
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,760
later and it's still, you know,
'cause then Rafiki's like, hey,

1139
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,920
come follow me through 18
twisted jungles until we can see

1140
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,240
your reflection, dude.
Which that scene is.

1141
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,800
Again, the scene is good, but he
it's not.

1142
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,280
When he smacks him in the head
and then Simba gets mad at him

1143
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,880
and he goes why does it matter?
It's in the past.

1144
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,320
Come on.
Dude.

1145
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,480
Oh, it's great.
And then Simba goes, but it

1146
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,480
still hurts and I'm like, oh,
it's so good, man.

1147
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,160
You can either learn from it,
right?

1148
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,280
Run from it, or learn from it.
Rafiki's great.

1149
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,080
Dude, it's it's probably the
best advice Disney has ever

1150
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,440
given in a movie.
Here's another hot take.

1151
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,680
So Simba did not recognize
Rafiki.

1152
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,400
He had no idea who Rafiki was.
When Rafiki shows up.

1153
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,360
Now Rafiki is like the shaman of
this village, like Rafiki is

1154
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:50,080
their spiritual leader, which
goes to tell me that Mufasa was

1155
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,120
raising his sons in a godless
home.

1156
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,520
Apart from apart from the
presence of Rafiki, perhaps the

1157
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,560
reason that bad things happened
to Mufasa is is the lack of a a

1158
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,640
spiritual moral compass.
Yeah, he needs those good

1159
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,600
Judeo-christian values in the
home.

1160
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,640
As evidenced by the baboon
Rafiki.

1161
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,240
Sure, yes.
So once Simba decides to go back

1162
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,120
and they have that great shot of
him running across the entire,

1163
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,000
you know, Sahara desert to get
back to Pride Rock, the movie

1164
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,240
really picks up again.
And the final fight is great.

1165
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,320
But dude, I there are moments in
animation.

1166
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,240
And I don't mean this as a
slight to animation, because

1167
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,560
animation is a very legitimate
art form.

1168
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,800
The moment that Simba walks back
up the rock, when Graffiki says

1169
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,720
it is time, and then you get the
Hans Zimmer score with the two

1170
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:56,880
big in slow motion.
I forgot that I was watching a

1171
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,120
cartoon.
It is one of the most affecting,

1172
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,960
triumphant, truly epic scenes in
the history of cinema and it

1173
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,840
ends that movie on such a high
note that it's like I don't care

1174
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,360
about any complaints I had
before this.

1175
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,560
It is perfect movie making.
That's incredible, man.

1176
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,920
There's even a moment during the
final fight where you hear

1177
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,840
Inception in the in the music.
Did you notice that?

1178
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,200
I didn't notice it but I was
going to say, how early did Hans

1179
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,399
Zimmer start stealing his scores
from all of his interns?

1180
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,359
Like, was this actually written
by somebody else or is this a

1181
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,600
Hans classic?
I, I mean, at this point, I

1182
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,880
assume that not much of it is
right, which makes me sad

1183
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,760
because like, it was fun having
another like legendary composer

1184
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,560
in the world other than John
Williams.

1185
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,640
And then, you know, he he just
kind of sucks, but still gave us

1186
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,399
some incredible music, even if
it was his interns, right?

1187
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:06,200
I the the final shot of this
movie once again, you return to

1188
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:11,399
the beauty of that opening
montage and all of a sudden you

1189
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:18,240
have another final drum beat cut
to black Red Lion king logo.

1190
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:25,439
It's just an incredible, like
the movie is the circle of life

1191
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,720
and it's the beauty of what it
means to become an adult in a

1192
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,120
dark and dangerous world and to
fight for something that you

1193
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,279
believe in.
And I think that we need more

1194
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,600
movies like 1994 Lion King in
the world today because it it

1195
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,880
teaches you all about the things
that are important about being a

1196
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,720
human being in this world.
It's just, it's so good.

1197
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,960
And you're right, man.
That final scene when he's

1198
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,120
coming out and Rafiki's holding
his child out, that looks like

1199
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,120
they ran out of money, so they
just reused baby Simba.

1200
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,800
It's so good, man.
All right, dude, I think that is

1201
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,720
the perfect segue to get into
our last segment of the day,

1202
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,200
which we call Let's Make it a
double.

1203
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,800
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks Listening to

1204
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,720
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's have another film with

1205
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,160
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1206
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,520
It's the final segment of the
day.

1207
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,800
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make it a double is the

1208
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,120
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1209
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,120
to make the perfect double
feature.

1210
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,120
Brad, I'm still trying to
pinpoint exactly what my Let's

1211
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,360
Make it a double should be, so
I'm going to throw to you first.

1212
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,040
Please vamp while I decide my my
choice.

1213
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,240
Bob, if you're looking for a
movie that leads you into the

1214
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:43,440
darkness, that gives you no hope
for a future that is

1215
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:49,240
traumatizing to young children,
there are no other choices for

1216
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:55,080
Let's make it a double the
1988's The Land, The Before

1217
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,600
Time.
A truly devastating film.

1218
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:05,920
I I mean, if the focus of this
episode for us has been man,

1219
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,360
this movie's way darker than I
remembered.

1220
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,480
Let's go watch Land Before Time,
my dude.

1221
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,320
What do you actually remember
from that movie besides just the

1222
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,400
mom dying?
I remember the mom dying.

1223
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:23,240
I remember them walking across
like a tar swamp that that like

1224
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,240
sticks out really strongly to
me.

1225
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,520
And I think just the characters
like Littlefoot and the

1226
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,840
triceratops and I, Is there a
pterodactyl that travels with

1227
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:34,760
them?
Yeah.

1228
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,640
Ducky, Ducky.
Yeah.

1229
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,280
So like I, I think like just the
characters, the tar swamp and

1230
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,040
the mom dying.
Those are like the only things I

1231
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,760
remember from that movie.
What's the name of the little

1232
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,240
triceratops?
I can't remember.

1233
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,640
Maybe that's that's not Ducky.
I don't know.

1234
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,360
No duck.
Ducky's the.

1235
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,920
There's like a very specific way
that they animate that

1236
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,600
triceratops that like every now
and then I'll see like a little

1237
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,680
kid who has that kind of like
blank dumb stare on their face

1238
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:07,280
and I'm like like that can't
look Bob exactly like the

1239
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,600
Triceratops child.
That child is made in the image

1240
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,480
of God.
That child is loved by his or

1241
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:18,520
her mother so much.
Tell me that you don't know

1242
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,920
exactly what I'm talking about.
And they've got the little,

1243
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,600
like, the little, like,
triangular lip thing that comes

1244
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,640
down to.
And they're just like, yeah,

1245
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,240
dude, it's that kid looks just
like the triceratops.

1246
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,480
I'm telling you, I see it all
the time.

1247
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,920
Bob's doing his best efforts to
get us cancelled.

1248
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,280
Let's move on from disparaging
people's children, which I will

1249
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,080
not partake in publicly at
least, and get to your let's

1250
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,760
make it a double.
It might be because I've watched

1251
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,880
this movie recently, but you
know, there's a ton of animated

1252
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,560
movies I can pair this up with.
There's something about the sort

1253
01:12:54,560 --> 01:13:00,480
of like weightiness of regal
responsibility in this movie,

1254
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,280
like the the idea of stepping
into your role and like having

1255
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,040
to fulfill something that is not
just a governmental

1256
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,200
responsibility, but like
ordained by the spirits or God

1257
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,920
or whatever that movie is, is
giving you that.

1258
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,440
I think the only movie that can
really think of right now that

1259
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,400
that goes really well with that
is the first Black Panther where

1260
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,800
you get the great scenes on the
ancestral plane.

1261
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,160
You get the the idea of going to
visit your ancestors,

1262
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,120
communicating with your
ancestors.

1263
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,360
You know, Killmonger can't visit
the ancestral plane because he's

1264
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,080
like forfeited his right to do
that.

1265
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,800
And I think that like there's
something there in the

1266
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,680
connection between remembering
who you are, living up to who

1267
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,800
you are by birth, and your own
regal kind of responsibilities

1268
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,760
and birthright, that I think you
could do a heck of a lot worse

1269
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,640
than The Lion King and Black
Panther.

1270
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,160
Yeah, great, great pairing, man.
I I'm gonna stick with Lamb

1271
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,200
before time, but you?
Do you, man?

1272
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,800
All right, dude.
It is time for some final scores

1273
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,320
on this movie.
Brad.

1274
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,280
Is this a 9 1/2 or A10?
I?

1275
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,480
I think that's really the only
two options we have here.

1276
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:15,640
I think it's a nine and a half.
I like, I adore this movie.

1277
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,200
I think the messaging is great.
I think there's so so much love

1278
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:25,800
here, but there are some flaws
that keep me from vibing this

1279
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,080
all the way to a 10.
It definitely is flawed.

1280
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,400
They're like little things that
bother me, like in the last

1281
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:36,040
fight with the scar, the weird
crappy, like jittery slow motion

1282
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,080
that they do for 11 seconds
straight.

1283
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Just like, why did you do this?
Why are they?

1284
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,640
Why are they standing up and
like boxing each other?

1285
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,440
This is not a lion's fight,
dude.

1286
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,760
It's like an old timey English
like.

1287
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,400
So the first time we reviewed
this movie, I gave it a nine and

1288
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,160
a half, you gave it a 10, and we
came out to a 9.75.

1289
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,640
I was already leaning towards
10.

1290
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,480
I think it would be the most
appropriate thing here for us to

1291
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:11,040
just reverse rolls on this one
because a 9.75, a 97 out of 100

1292
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,320
is like the perfect place for
this.

1293
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,680
It is a transcendently great
movie that just happens to have

1294
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:22,240
a couple flaws.
I think if you were like scoring

1295
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:27,520
out point by point the way we do
whiskey like this would end up

1296
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,880
in that 95 to 98 area it it
wouldn't be right there at the

1297
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,600
top.
So yeah, I'm, I'm with you, man.

1298
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:39,040
I think 9.75 is a good combined
to score between the two of us.

1299
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,280
All right, there you have it.
9.75 out of 10 on average from

1300
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,880
Brad and Bob, but we wouldn't
know what you think.

1301
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,640
Do you still love The Lion King?
Is Black Panther or The Land

1302
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,240
Before Time the better pairing
here?

1303
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,160
You can let us know on all of
our social media accounts,

1304
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,880
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
TikTok, and YouTube at Film

1305
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,520
Whiskey.
And if you have any children who

1306
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,840
are lovely and definitely do not
have a blank expression on their

1307
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,360
face at all times, you should
jump onto our Discord to tell

1308
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:14,240
Bob how cruel and mean and
misogynistic he is.

1309
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,400
Join us on our Discord.
You can find a link to it at the

1310
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,320
end of every single one of our
show notes.

1311
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:23,840
Next week we're staying in 1994
to look at what is arguably the

1312
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,720
best film of that year that
isn't called The Lion King.

1313
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,480
It's Quentin Tarantino's all
time masterpiece, Pulp Fiction.

1314
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,960
So join us as we revisit that
movie.

1315
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,760
But until then, I'm Bob Book,
I'm Brad G and we'll see you

1316
01:16:37,760 --> 01:17:02,640
next time.
Music.