The Hurt Locker / Michter's US-1 Single Barrel Rye

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in 2008, director, Kathryn
Bigelow, and star Jeremy Renner.

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Gave the world a haunting look
at the day-to-day life of those

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fighting in the Iraq War in
Thousand 23.

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We try a rye whiskey.
That's sure to be an explosion

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of flavor.
It's The Hurt Locker.

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The whiskey is Mick.
Ters, US1 ride.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week, we are looking at.

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Kathryn Bigelow's 2009, Best
Picture Winner, The Hurt Locker.

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Brad right off the bat.
Let's just go ahead and say

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this.
It's our first Kathryn Bigelow

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movie.
We're moving into a new director

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here.
This might be I'm entering into

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a new gender here.
A new gender.

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This is what I was going to say,
I don't know that we've ever had

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a movie by a female director on
the podcast before.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna sit down
or two for all of the cancers

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out there.
I don't pick the movies.

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That's all the cats for all the,
the people with torches Bob's

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house is that Ian.
Yes, I'm glad we're getting this

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like, we're addressing this up
front because it says a lot

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about what we value in movies
and what is celebrated in movies

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that we have been doing this
podcast for over four years,

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Brad, we've looked at almost 200
movies.

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Now, I think next week is going
to be our 200th film on the film

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and whiskey podcast.
So we'll be a one percent

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representation 1/2.
Yeah, but we had next week, we

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will be at a 1% Presentation.
And that I mean like truly.

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And honestly I don't want this
to conversation to only be about

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the fact that she is a female
director.

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But when we mentioned things
like this on the podcast, it

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truly is because it is, I mean,
the numbers are staggering in

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terms of men to women who are in
positions like directors in

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Hollywood and for Kathryn
Bigelow to accomplish what she

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has as a woman.
I mean, you can't not talk about

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it.
It is an incredible

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accomplishment and I'm excited
to talk about her.

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Eames Brad because I think she's
a hell of a director.

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Yeah, well and here's a genuine
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I I'm a little bit glad that it
worked out that are 199 and 200.

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You know, give us the one
percent representation because

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I'm curious How many films do
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Are actually directed, like, how
far do you think our percentage

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is off from the norm?
Oh, that's a great question.

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I don't know man but it can't
because it can't be that far

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off.
That's what I'm saying.

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So I may be this is coming
across as me trying to like

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defend our podcast and I hope
that's not the case but like you

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know, There's not a lot of
movies made by women out there

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to review.
And so, like you said, Bob the,

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the awesome thing about this is
we're not reviewing them

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because, well, we got to get
Catherine in there because she's

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a woman, right?
We're getting them in here

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because she makes really good
movies.

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Yeah, and I think, again, I
think this is why when we talk

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about, when people say
representation matters, like the

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whole history of movies that we
have celebrated have been

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predominantly from one specific
kind Kind of person, right?

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I mean like, you know what, I
remember when you and I sat down

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and did our Apocalypse Now
review Brad and I'm a guy that

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likes Francis Ford Coppola, but
we talked about how Coppola of

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making Apocalypse.
Now, is kind of like, I don't

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know, its peak white guy making
a movie, like he got all the

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resources anybody could ever
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He made a movie where, like,
people died, he went out into

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the jungle and had all this
creative control and meanwhile,

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like, it's not for 30-something
years after Apocalypse.

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Now comes out that Kathryn.
Low even gets to win an Oscar,

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right?
So you know, it's a really

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important thing and I'm really
glad that in a season where

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we're having a lot of Firsts,
right?

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We're going to be doing Charlie
Chaplin here in a little bit.

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We're going to be looking Akira
Kurosawa in a couple weeks.

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It's cool that our first, first
of the season is to talk about

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Kathryn Bigelow.
Yeah I do also want to mention

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that this is a complete aside.
Bob I was I made the perfect

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burrito today.
It was incredible and as I was

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as I was eating it as a burrito
and thinking about the lack of

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female representation in
Hollywood.

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Yeah.
No, I wasn't thinking about

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that.
I was thinking that I needed to

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share my secrets with the world
but I didn't know where to do

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it.
And then I remembered I have a

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podcast.
I have an audience.

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Is this really where we're going
right now?

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Yes, I need to share my secret.
Okay, go ahead.

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So you know how when you make,
you know, when you make taco

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meat you get the taco seasoning
packet and you mix it in with a

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little water and the ground
beef.

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Sure.
Don't do that.

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No, 100% don't do that.
Use a fajita seasoning packet.

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Hmm it will change your life.
Bob okay, great incredible.

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Thank you so much bread.
So Brad's life has been changed

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by this burrito.
Completely derailing, our

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appreciation for Kathryn
Bigelow, I'm sure she loves a

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good burrito as well.
We'll find a way to tie those

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things together.
Let's say this Brad.

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The other thing I wanted to
mention is that at the top of

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the episode, You referred to
this as a 2008 film.

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I referred to it as a 2009 film
and it's because this is one of

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those small independent movies,
that, you know, Kathryn Bigelow

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produced this movie.
So she was footing the bill for

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it.
It floated around to a couple of

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film festivals in 2008 and it
didn't get picked up for Us

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distribution.
Until 2009 and so it doesn't

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qualify for the Oscars until
2009 and you know it winds its

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award in 2010.
So like when you look on IMDb it

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says it's a 2008 movie.
But nobody in America really saw

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it until mid to late 2009, just
one of those movies.

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Can you name the other two
movies that did the same thing

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that were?
I think.

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Yeah the two other Best Picture
winners that also did not come.

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I'm out.
Technically the year before the

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Oscars, there's, I mean, there's
a couple that happened way back

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in like the 30s and 40s because
of, when the cutoff was like

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Casablanca comes out in like I
don't know how to Casablanca

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comes out at a point in 1942
where it doesn't win the Oscar

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until the year that was 1943 and
so wins in 1944.

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So like I don't know if you're
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want to say, like, man was
Slumdog Millionaire one of them.

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Hmm, I don't know which points
to do.

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You have down?
I have Casablanca nice and crash

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in 2004 crash.
I remember that one.

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Okay, cool.
Yeah, awesome.

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Thanks for the facts bread,
dude.

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I'm doing research left and
right.

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One fact, and no falsehoods to
kick off, kick off this episode

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1, facts, and no falsehoods.
All right, Brad, it is time for

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us to start talking about this
movie in Earnest.

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And in order to do that, it's
time for America's favorite

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segments.
Brad explains.

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That's gonna give us the movie
plot with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock.
So let's go ahead and hear your

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take with this little segment
that we call.

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Brad explains.
Now, Brad has already explained

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how to make the perfect burrito
but it's time for Brad to

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explain how to make the perfect
plot synopsis on The Hurt Locker

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in order to do this we put what
you want me to describe how to

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write this noxious first, you
take your synopsis and then you

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dump the heat of seasoning on
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All right, so we what we do is
we put 60 seconds on the clock

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for Brad to break down the plot
of this movie.

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Usually Brad is breaking down
the plot of a movie that he has

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seen for the very first time.
Brad was this your first time

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watching The Hurt Locker?
It was okay.

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Oh no, ya.
Very first time, I cool, I

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remember when it came out and it
won best picture.

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I was curious because I think I
was like gun in for another

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movie to win, best picture, I
don't remember which one it was,

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but I remember being like a
little annoyed that The Hurt

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Locker.
One and so I kind of like out of

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spite never watched it.
So here I am 15 years later

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watching The Hurt Locker.
There you go.

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I'm glad I could be of service
to you Brad.

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You're welcome.
All right.

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So we have put 60 seconds on the
clock for you to break down the

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plot of this movie.
It will be a spoiler filled

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discussion of The Hurt Locker.
So turn back.

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Now, if you haven't seen it and
you want to hear more Brad, you

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have a minute on the clock and
go The Hurt.

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Locker is a film about Anthony
Mackie who is not playing the

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Falcon here in in Iraq.
He's just a common Soldier and

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his bomb said, I believe the
staff sergeant of his bomb squad

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is killed and is replaced by
Jeremy Runner who is not playing

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hockey?
They're still soldiers Bob but

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they're not super soldiers.
All right, Jeremy Renner thinks

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that he's a super soldier and
tries to get himself killed

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about nine different times in
the film because he has a A

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junkie personality for danger
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And that's it.
That is fast.

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Pretty much it.
I mean that's that's the movie

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he did, he diffuses bombs and
does stupid stuff.

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Maybe he'd be basically leaves
his wife for war.

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He sure does.
The end, the end.

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All right, that's The Hurt
Locker, folks, Best Picture

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Winner of 2009.
Dad, did I do it justice?

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I'm pretty sure like, what the
Oscars when they come out, and

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they present each movie, that's
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They show like 45 second like,
Up Clips, I think they should

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just have you do a brad explains
but here's here's the next goal

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for the film whiskey podcast, we
need to become either the hosts

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or presenters at the Oscars.
I can't, I can only imagine

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being on stage and being like
Brad, look, it's Timothy

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sha'lame and you're like, I have
never heard of him for every

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single person nominated at the
Oscars.

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Honestly, it might draw in the
regular view, I can't.

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I Wait for you to read someone's
name.

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Timothy to challenge alamut.
Hey you you know who I wouldn't

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get wrong.
My boy didn't even evenness.

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Okay, let's talk to hurt locker
because we're going off the

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rails here today.
The Hurt Locker is a movie that

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I saw.
When it came out in 2009.

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I don't think I caught it before
the Oscars and it had gained a

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lot of momentum.
We've actually briefly talked

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about this movie on multiple
episodes, because the year 2009

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produced Three movies, at least
three movies that we've done on

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this podcast, that were best
picture contenders, those being

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Avatar, and up in the air.
And we've talked about Avatar in

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relation to this because
Kathryn, Bigelow, and James

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Cameron were once married.
And so they had a very

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acrimonious divorce and the
Kathryn Bigelow vs.

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James Cameron for best director
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Best picture thing was a major
story in Hollywood, just a

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little bit up in the air was a
movie that had a ton of

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momentum.
Tom up until like, I don't know

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three weeks before the ceremony,
I remember, really loving up in

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the air when it came out.
It was like my favorite movie of

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that year by a lot, and I was
really pulling hard for it.

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And then it was like, all right,
it's going to be either up in

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the air or Avatar.
And in the intervening weeks,

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The Hurt Locker just started
cleaning up, man.

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I think it one at sag and that
might have been the thing that

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put it over the edge, but it
just seemed like up in the air.

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Kind of got swallowed up and
when The Hurt Locker one, I was

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like, all right, I gotta check
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And I Were really liking it like
thinking it was like an eight

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out of Ten kind of movie hmm but
not really feeling like wow this

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should have won best picture and
and Brad it's hard to put myself

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back in the shoes of 2009
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about as timeliness and we
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Afghanistan war movie to kind of
capture what people were

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thinking about those conflicts
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And so I think this is a good
time capsule movie but What is

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it?
Do you think it's harder or

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easier for you to evaluate it
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distance?
Now, honestly, I think it's

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interesting because at this
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traveled enough and made enough
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few people who fought in the
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war.
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And we're in combat there and
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asking them some questions and
hearing about their experiences

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of being in Iraq.
I actually think I appreciate

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this more in 2023 than I would
have in 2009.

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I mean partially because I was,
you know, I mean I'm sure when

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this came out or was being shown
to Jazz a nine, I was still 18

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years old Bob like how can you
actually appreciate the tragedy

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of War?
War, the tragedy of addiction to

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Adrenaline like what's going on
in his life.

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Like the, the speech that Renner
gives at the end of the movie,

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which might be the best part of
the movie to his son, about the

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things that you love in life and
how they become less, and less,

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and less 32 year old Brad who
has two children can appreciate

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that and the sadness of that
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broken that man is And how much
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he really needs to see a really
good therapist and not the

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terrible Colonel, chaplain who
sucked.

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Yeah, obviously renter wasn't
seeing him, but right 32-year,

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old, Brad can appreciate that.
A lot more who has experienced

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more life, who's talked to
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who's had children of his own
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I could have appreciated as an
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Yeah, I totally get that.
I remember, even at the time

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there had been, I don't know,
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Movies that came out within a
year or two of each other and it

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seemed like, and I hate to put
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talking about a real life
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It's a real war, but it almost
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race in Hollywood for these
up-and-coming directors to make.

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They're like big statement war
movie that everyone wanted to

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have their Apocalypse Now,
everyone wanted to have their

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platoon or their Deer Hunter
that was going to be like, this

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is the statement on our times
and The Hurt Locker came out and

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and of just became this is the
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Yeah.
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there was a lot of pushback from
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public, not on this movie in
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of kind of making these movies,
because again, Hollywood's very

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liberal place.
And so, I think, the Assumption

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was the people making.
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against the war and so they're
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propaganda anti war propaganda,
right?

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Right.
Yeah, the funny thing is,

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Watching it now with 15 years of
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shocked at how.
It doesn't take any sort of a

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stance on the war itself.
It reminds me of a lot of these

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movies that we've talked about,
in the show, even like, Saving

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Private Ryan, doesn't really
talk about the ethics of World

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War Two.
It's just about guys doing their

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jobs.
And in this case, it's about

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guys doing their jobs, but it's
about the horrifying realities

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of what those jobs due to their
psyches.

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Yeah, see I think that She
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statement about the war because
the the line that they put into

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Brian guarantees mouth, who
plays the Third Wheel Of The

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Specialist Group.
I think his name is Eldridge in

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the movie like when he's on the
helicopter and he's looking at

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Jeremy Renner and he says, like
we had to rush into this because

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you had to get your adrenaline
fix.

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You had to be in war like you.
To do this, I guess for me, I

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think I kind of took that a
little bit as Kathryn Bigelow,

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like, saying, yeah, like why did
we go into this war?

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Just to satisfy some male ego
and desire for adrenaline?

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I don't know.
Could you see it that way?

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I mean, I don't necessarily
think she's super approving of

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like the conditions that these
men get put in.

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But I guess the overall point
I'm trying to make is that

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there's a huge shift in both
American culture and in

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Hollywood in the early to 2000s
which was you know post 9/11, it

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was like whether or not you
support this war.

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We have to support the troops
and like everything became.

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If you're a good American you
support the troops.

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Like I mean even Batman supports
the troops ba like we're not

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going to have another Vietnam
where people are coming home

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from war and getting rocks
thrown at them, right.

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Like if you're gonna throw rocks
at somebody, it's not these

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guys.
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And I think that the attitudes
of these movies, even if the

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movies at their core are like,
this is a stupid conflict, we

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should be there.
They're never Suitors are

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judgmental.
Yes, or disrespectful of the

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troops.
And I think it's, yeah, it's

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just really interesting to me
because, you know, you've got a

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guy like Clint Eastwood, who is
I would assume on an opposite

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end of the political Spectrum,
from the person making this

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movie, making American Sniper,
and it's kind of American

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Sniper.
And this movie are very similar

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because they're both kind of
just giving the same underlying

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message, which is war is Hell.
These guys to go through a lot

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and therefore, you know, I think
American Sniper is a little bit

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more obvious about saying you
should support them as a result.

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Whereas, this one's more just
like, look at what they go

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through.
But it's just, it's interesting

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to me that Hollywood stays very
much in the camp of like,

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listen.
We're not going to make any sort

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of value like judgment calls on
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We're just going to portray it
and let people take their own

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assumptions to it.
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And I think that that's when and
this doesn't just apply to war

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but in general I think Hollywood
is at its best when it just

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spends its time examining what
makes And stick and whether that

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is in a war situation or a
science fantasy situation or a,

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you know, a period piece set in
and 1700s Britain, like movies

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are at their best when they're
exploring.

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Why humans do the things that
they do and what draws them into

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areas of being a good human
being or being a bad human being

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and and how we decide, what
those good, how we Define, good

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and bad and I think that's,
that's what this movie does.

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Well, is it, it allows each
character to explain why they

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are the way they are.
Usually without words, and I

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think if anything war movies can
do that best where your actions

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speak louder than any sort of
words and it's because, you

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know, I'll go back to the the
baseball analogy that Patrick

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Williams uses, everybody knows
the geography of a war movie.

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Like, everybody knows what's at
stake.

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You like, you either put up or
shut up and, and when I say shut

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up, I mean, you're dead and like
that level of tension, gives war

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movies.
I don't know.

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A little extra oomph when you
are examining the human psyche

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and why we do the things we do
under such great stress.

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Yeah, I think if I can kind of
Segway, I don't really want to

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segue because I think it's
related to this but I don't know

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that I can talk about the
performances.

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As without, talking about
Kathryn Bigelow's Direction

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here.
And I'll be interested to see

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how this carries over into movie
like Point Break because this is

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just a very different type of
movie.

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And it's made, you know, 17
years after Point Break.

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But I think what's really
interesting watching the way

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this movie is shot, so it's
written by a guy named Mark

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boal, who becomes a collaborator
with Kathryn Bigelow.

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They also, you know, team back
up for zero-dark thirty, which

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will watch next week and, you
know, I don't know if it's more,

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her Mark bowl or Kathryn.
Low.

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But one thing I really love
about the way she directs this

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movie is it reminds me kind of
how Ridley Scott did Black Hawk

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Down, which is like, very, just
kind of very matter of fact,

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there's not a lot of talking in
this movie and it's not overly,

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it's not sentimentalized,
there's not a like a lot of slow

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mo, like when people get killed
in very tragic situation,

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sometimes it's just kind of like
boom that person's dead were

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moving on.
Because, like, we can't stop to

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think about Out this and we
can't stop to process this.

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And the the kind of churning of
War won't let us stop to process

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this.
And I think in that regard, it

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feels to me much more like real
life than some even a movie like

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Saving Private Ryan.
There's a lot of sitting around

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and, you know, making explicit
what you feel inside in Saving

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Private Ryan.
And in this movie it I mean I

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think she's a female director
but she understands better than

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a lot of male directors.
How guys communicate Is we don't

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communicate.
There's a lot of, like, guys

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kind of glancing at each other
instead of like a dressing like,

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hey here, you're putting us all
in danger, they just kind of

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look at each other and don't say
anything.

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There's a lot of repression, you
know?

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And then only when guys get a
loan do they like let their

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emotions out?
I think it's a really it much

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more.
Replicates, the experience that

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I have with communicating with
other men, especially men who

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have been in high-stress
situations like this, then a lot

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of other much, More Taki, war
movies, go to the talkies, huh,

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man?
No, I think I'm with you.

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Bob, for me, the the moments
where you dive into their

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relationships, feel like the
weakest parts of this movie,

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like anytime, you know, Mackey
and Renner.

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And Garrity are like in the
barracks together, drinking and

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you know, doing their thing, I
can just immediately lose

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interest in the film.
Mmm.

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And and for me, I think it's
it's a result of Renner not

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being the best actor.
I think that actually Anthony

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Mackie is the better actor here.
I really enjoy him in this movie

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and I enjoy him in a lot of his
movies, but when you're looking

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at the way guys, communicate, I
think it works better in the

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high stress situations because
they're you see despite their

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differences, they fight some,
they get along.

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Um but at the end of the day
like they're on the same team

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and they know that and that's
why for me like the the scene

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that really didn't work for me
and it's like right before I

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paused and you know had to go to
bed before I watched the rest of

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it in the morning, I literally
stopped it like right after

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Mackey and Garrity think about
killing renner's character.

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And I just remember being like,
okay, the like this movie is

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just way over the top and
ridiculous.

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So interesting and and that part
just frustrated the heck out of

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me because it at the end of the
day, regardless of how Rogue

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Runner is going.
It's just very unrealistic to me

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based on what I know of the
military that anybody would ever

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think about killing a member of
their own units.

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Let alone somebody like they
would never think about killing

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somebody from the US side of the
war, let alone, somebody in

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their own unit.
Well, I think okay, let's talk

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really briefly about this
because it's important that this

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movie reel has received a lot of
pushback from veterans, And I

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specially like active duty
people and saying like the way

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that these three guys just go on
these unauthorized missions.

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And, and while they're on
unauthorized missions, they're

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not using comms, they're not
like, like the actual tactical

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strategy, like, none of this
would happen.

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And so, I think you a have to
take it with a grain of salt

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because it's a movie, but be, it
does introduce like actual

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contradictions into things
because I can't sit here and say

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this feels realistic.
And also So be everyone who's

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ever been in.
The situation says, this is not

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realistic at all.
You gotta at least admit that,

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00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:18,800
okay?
It doesn't seem like they're

445
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,000
strictly adhering to what
protocols would be, but I still

446
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,400
think that at the end of the
day, The way this movies filmed

447
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,100
and the way they capture, how
real people talk to each other,

448
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:34,100
it feels much more like a
documentary than it does.

449
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:38,500
Like, a really cinematic magnum.
Opus kind of War movie.

450
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,400
Yeah.
And and that's the that's the

451
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,200
struggle for me though.
Is that as big a little moves

452
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,200
through this movie for me?
It just got boring after a

453
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,200
little.
Oh wow.

454
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,900
Like it just felt like the first
First 60 to 70% of the movie

455
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:01,700
were just all right.
What crazy situation is rather

456
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,700
going to get himself into this
time.

457
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,500
Like, oh boy, oh boy, he's doing
something crazy again,

458
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:12,000
interested.
And I just the last third of the

459
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,500
movie, I think worked a lot
better for me, but the the first

460
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:19,200
half of it.
It just felt so repetitive and

461
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,500
it was rendered doing something
crazy and Mackay being annoyed

462
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,800
about it and Garrity, not know.
What to do about it and being a

463
00:26:25,808 --> 00:26:29,600
little unsure of himself and and
they just repeated that like

464
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,500
three or four times before we
actually got to the meat of the

465
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:35,800
film a.
So I'll say this, I had a very

466
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,300
opposite reaction to you I was
really surprised at how well

467
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,900
this thing moved I watched it in
one go, just a couple hours

468
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:46,100
before we got on here and it
was, I mean like I kept checking

469
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,700
to see like what the timing was
because we had somewhere to be

470
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,000
and I was really running up
against it at the last minute,

471
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,000
but I kept checking in then, I
was like, oh, there's only 45

472
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,800
minutes left.
Like this, this has gone way

473
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,400
faster than I thought.
And I think that those three

474
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,900
four.
So like there's basically the

475
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,600
first three scenes of the movie
are like three bomb defusing

476
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,800
scenes.
One with Guy Pearce at the very

477
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,100
beginning in a cameo role and he
gets snuffed out pretty quickly

478
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,400
and then Jeremy renner's first,
two times out with his new, you

479
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,300
know, crew.
And I thought all three of them

480
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,200
were really expertly done.
And I think that's kind of my

481
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,500
big takeaway from this movie.
Brad watching it again, is that

482
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,300
I still don't think it's like,
I'm still surprised this movie

483
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,000
wins best picture.
I think it's a really well-made

484
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,100
war movie and get sad.
A lot of things that a lot of

485
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,300
Hollywood war movies.
Don't get at.

486
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,800
You have to respect the craft.
I think the like the craft of

487
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800
this movie.
I have such a deeper

488
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,400
appreciation for with 15, more
years of movie watching under my

489
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,800
belt and we talk about things
like the geography of a seen.

490
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,600
This was I was really really
impressed with Bigelow's

491
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,300
ability.
To put you in a nameless,

492
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,400
faceless kind of community or
like an abandoned Street, or an

493
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,700
alley, or a building and
immediately you understand

494
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:07,100
exactly what they're moving
towards.

495
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,500
What the geography of the
situation is when they are like,

496
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,100
pinned down.
And there's people on all sides

497
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,400
of them.
You always understand like whose

498
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,900
Vantage Point you're looking
from or where someone is in

499
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,600
relation to somebody else, I
think like, it's a really well

500
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,500
directed movie.
And I will say the shot that

501
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:28,100
really stuck out to me was the
one that they use for the movie

502
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,200
poster.
Dude, when the camera is like,

503
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:36,500
like the hardest Dutch angle
above Renner and he's pulling up

504
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:38,900
on the wires.
There's like six bombs around

505
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:39,300
him.
Yep.

506
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:44,200
That's just visually effective
if it's such a good ocean

507
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
moment.
Like it's, yes, your gut drops.

508
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,400
Yeah, you're just going oh man,
this is like way worse and she

509
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,600
kind of Is to repeat that with
the the car when he opens up the

510
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,500
trunk and drops the Crowbar, and
it's just like that whelp,

511
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:03,700
there's 37 bombs in this car.
Like, what are we gonna do?

512
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,900
Yeah, so I think it's things
like that that she does well

513
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:11,500
even the way that she uses
Renner in the moments of

514
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,900
defusing the bombs like
especially the car bomb scene

515
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:19,800
when he is trying to find the
trigger and his partners in

516
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,400
crime or like telling him like
dude, let's get out of here.

517
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,700
Here, this isn't worth it will
just blow it and go home and

518
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,900
he's like, single-mindedly
determined to find the switch

519
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,600
like the way.
He's searching through the car

520
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,000
feels so claustrophobic and and
nerve-wracking.

521
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,300
And and so I think there are
elements of this.

522
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:41,800
Yeah with the editing and the
cinematography that that are

523
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:47,200
really incredible.
This is Peak shaky-cam 2009.

524
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Like this is right after
Cloverfield comes out and the

525
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,100
way this movie is shot is I
think I've mentioned TV show

526
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:57,600
before it reminds me a lot of
the show 24 where there's like,

527
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,900
they're shaky camera there
doesn't even necessarily need to

528
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:03,900
be shaky cam a lot of times, but
I think as the movie progresses

529
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:08,900
and you get used to that, it
does it really helps to kind of

530
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,400
solidify this claustrophobic
feeling that you're talking

531
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,400
about.
I think just before we move on

532
00:30:14,408 --> 00:30:16,400
to anything else I want to say
again, I think this is one of

533
00:30:16,408 --> 00:30:18,800
the better edited movies.
We've washed in a long, long

534
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,600
time.
And they, you know, I read a lot

535
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,900
about the editing of this Has
movie.

536
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:25,800
Apparently they had like 200
hours of footage that had to get

537
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,700
cut down, and the editor said,
it was like incoherent because

538
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,200
they were shooting from all
angles, and so, it was breaking

539
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,800
the 180 degree rule all the
time.

540
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,100
And so they had to kind of
cobbled together something that

541
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:39,200
looked coherent and not only do
I think they did that really

542
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,500
well.
But like, even in moments, like

543
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:44,300
you're talking about, we're
renters inside the car looking

544
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:48,200
for this initiating system to
blow the thing up, and they keep

545
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,500
cutting back outside, where
Mackey and Garrity are pinned

546
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,300
down and they're getting Really,
really paranoid out there.

547
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,900
There's this one cut I
specifically remember where the

548
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,600
tension is getting ratcheted up
and it's real quiet as they're

549
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,700
like, looking around to see
what's happening and the sound

550
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:08,400
editing kicks in, before the cut
and it's, it's renter plunging a

551
00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:11,000
knife into the back seat and
ripping the fabric.

552
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000
So he can try to find this wire
and it sounds like a gunshot.

553
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:17,300
And so like, it was like a
jump-scare almost and it really

554
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,600
made me realize this movie, the
way they do the tension in this

555
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,200
movie and the way they kind of
do have Or sometimes the

556
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000
atmosphere they're trying to
create is a horror movie and I

557
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,000
think it's really effective.
Well and I love that you use the

558
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000
horror movie reference because
the key thing of a horror movie

559
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,400
like especially like let's talk
about alien.

560
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:44,000
The key thing of alien is that
these creatures that are trying

561
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,600
to kill, you are wholly foreign
and unable to communicate with

562
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,700
the crew of the the The storm.
Oh, is that right Nostromo?

563
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:56,400
Yeah, Nostromo.
Thank you.

564
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,700
And that is the sense you get
from the American troops.

565
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:03,800
When they are walking around,
they can't communicate with the

566
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,700
locals and, and there's this
fear that every single local is

567
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:12,200
out to get you.
And if that's not more horror

568
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,200
film esk, I don't know what else
you could hope for.

569
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,400
And I think that that's like,
the key thing that makes this

570
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,800
movie work is the I think it
captures the tension, you feel

571
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,700
as a soldier to be in a foreign
place where you don't know who's

572
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,100
friendly and who's an enemy
right?

573
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:37,000
Like in WWII, you are fighting
out in the fields out in the,

574
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,300
the forests and Iraq, you're in
a desert.

575
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:44,700
Like you can't just go fight out
in the dunes like, you can, but

576
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:47,700
in the end at the end of the
day, most of the fighting goes

577
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,200
on in the cities where the
citizens live and as a soldier,

578
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,500
you're Is constantly on edge,
you not sure why people are

579
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,200
videotaping you what they're
talking about when you hear them

580
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,900
speaking.
And so I think that they do that

581
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,400
incredibly well, to give that
sense of dread, you would feel

582
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400
as a soldier.
All right, Brad, I think it's

583
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,900
time for us to hit pause, and
it's unfortunate because we

584
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:10,800
haven't really talked about
these performances.

585
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:12,500
But let's go ahead and drink
this whiskey.

586
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,800
We'll come back and we'll talk
about, you know, all the

587
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
performances, and all the random
cameos that this movie has as

588
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
well.
So what do you say we get to

589
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,600
this mixers, dude, I am I'm so
pumped, like, Victor's rise.

590
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Seems to pop up on, everybody's
like, you have to try this ride

591
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,200
list.
So I've really Jazz for today,

592
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,700
Bob.
All right, let's get to it.

593
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Alright, so today we are
checking out, Mick ters, US1,

594
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,700
Kentucky straight rye, whiskey.
This is a single-barrel whiskey

595
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:49,500
from the mixers label as Brad
says makers is a really

596
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,600
interesting brand in the world
of whiskey because they're

597
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400
higher end stuff.
In particular.

598
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,300
They're toasted Barrel finish
stuff can get really really

599
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:02,000
expensive Victor's 10 really
expensive you know I think they

600
00:34:02,008 --> 00:34:05,300
have a 20 year that I just saw
my friend our friend Zack

601
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,600
Johnston post about on Instagram
like that.

602
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600
And of dollars.
And so like, even even the

603
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,800
regular stuff, which is what
we're drinking today.

604
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,900
It's had a little bit of a
trickle-down effect.

605
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,400
Like it's like a mini Buffalo
Trace where people know that the

606
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,500
really pricey stuff is good and
so they're snatching up even

607
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:24,800
like their Baseline offerings.
Yeah.

608
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,300
And I'll give you a sneak
preview.

609
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,100
They should be.
All right, I'm popping open my

610
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,000
bottle right now.
Brad, I have not tried this

611
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,300
prior to this episode, so I'm
going to be drinking it live a

612
00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:39,199
little bit about Mick ters.
So this is a Resurrected brand

613
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,699
that came back in the 1990s.
It was a very, very

614
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,100
well-established brand.
In fact, it honors, the first

615
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,100
American Distillery ever.
They say that it has roots going

616
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,400
all the way back to 1753.
That sounds nice and fancy but

617
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,199
the current iteration is only
been around since the 1990s,

618
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,700
we've interviewed their Master
distiller Dan McKee.

619
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,500
Super great guy.
Dude.

620
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:03,100
What an incredible?
Like super genuine down-to-earth

621
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,100
dude.
They did not start distilling

622
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:08,200
their own stuff until 2019.
So this is a sourced product

623
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,400
that we have.
The bottle right now, it's not

624
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,300
age stated so we know that this
rise at least four years old,

625
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:15,700
they don't disclose where they
Source their ride from.

626
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,500
They also don't disclose the
mash Bill.

627
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,200
We know that it's not 100% Rye
but I can't tell you anything

628
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,100
beyond that.
The only other thing I really

629
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,700
know about it is that it's
forty-two, point four percent

630
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:30,300
ABV or 84.8 proof this is a
pretty low prove rye bread.

631
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:32,900
We don't usually get back down
into the 80s very often.

632
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:37,600
No we don't and you know a few
weeks back we got into the top

633
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600
floor for bench.
Mark, and I think both of us

634
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,700
were like, man, this is like an
80-something proof.

635
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:47,200
Whiskey that actually has some
flavor and I'm enjoying it.

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000
And once again, today there's a
lot of flavor here.

637
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,700
And I'm like, shoot.
If you can get solid flavor in

638
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:58,300
the 80 to 90 Proof range.
That's a killer product, man.

639
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,800
All right.
Why don't you kick us off?

640
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Brad?
I'm just sticking my nose in my

641
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800
glass over here but I'm sure
you've got notes already.

642
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:09,200
Yeah, so the for me, it started
off with like a a small Pop of

643
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,500
orange zest, moved into some
Butterscotch, the rice spice

644
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,500
kind of hit me.
Midway through along with some

645
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,400
really freshly ground, black
pepper.

646
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,400
And then at the end, I almost
got like a fresh loaf of

647
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,400
sourdough bread.
And I think that this nose is

648
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,500
incredible.
Bob for me, Bob, it's a 9 out of

649
00:36:32,508 --> 00:36:33,700
10.
Wow.

650
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,100
Okay, so you are definitely the
Rye guy of the two of us, but I

651
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,700
still like a good Rye every now
and then.

652
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,000
And this one was really
interesting on the nose.

653
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,900
The first thing that jumped out
of the glass for me, as a note.

654
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:49,000
I've never ever gotten on a rye,
and it was really, really ripe

655
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,300
cantaloupe.
Like when you cut into a

656
00:36:51,308 --> 00:36:53,600
cantaloupe, that's like maybe a
little too squishy.

657
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,900
And you got to eat, it really
fast.

658
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Just it's like that and I really
liked it, but behind that it had

659
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,900
a creaminess to it, that I often
don't get on Rise either.

660
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,900
So it was like cantaloupe and
vanilla and I kept looking at

661
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,000
the bottle.
Like did I, is this a ride that

662
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,200
I pick up the right bottle and
then the black pepper hit and

663
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,700
even more than actual like, Rye
grain.

664
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,700
This presents as just like you
said, freshly ground black

665
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,400
pepper.
It's really nice.

666
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,100
I can tell for sure, this is not
a 100%, right?

667
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,800
Because I don't get a lot of Rye
Grain on this, but it's

668
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,100
interesting.
And I'm Intrigued about what I'm

669
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:27,700
going to taste.
I'm going to give it a seven and

670
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:32,700
a half on the nose, dude.
We I moved into the palette at

671
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:37,200
this is this is like heaven for
me Bob so we use the flavor

672
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,200
caramel a lot, right?
Hmm.

673
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:46,300
But for me, that almost feels
like a broad generic like just

674
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:50,800
food to caramel, right.
Yeah, for me on this note this

675
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,900
isn't just caramel it's like the
little tiny Square.

676
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,300
We're wrapped in like the the
paper caramel that you get at

677
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:03,500
like your grandma's house, you
know, I'm talking about that is

678
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:07,900
what I got on the palette here,
along with some fresh mint, some

679
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:11,700
rye bread and then like it
almost turned into like a Nutty

680
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,900
candied almonds, like a sweet,
almond feel.

681
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,800
Once again, I think this is
absolutely delectable and the

682
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,300
fact that there is so much
flavor punched into this palette

683
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,200
without it.
Being high proof.

684
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,200
Like, I didn't quite feel like I
was drinking water here because

685
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,700
there's a little bit of
viscosity.

686
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:34,400
That's really nice.
But it's, when you are at the

687
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,200
lower proof points, it's just
easier to drink bottom, and I

688
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,200
really liked it a lot and I gave
it a 9 and a half out of ten.

689
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,600
Wow, okay, I'm definitely not
there, I don't dislike this.

690
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,900
I just don't, I'm not kidding a
lot on this and I'm, you know,

691
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,300
as you were giving your tasting
notes.

692
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:55,800
I kept taking extra steps trying
to find it but like, It's really

693
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,000
thin on the front of the palate.
Like if we're talking about

694
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400
mouth feel, it is really watery
for me on the front, but then

695
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,800
when you get to the back of the
palate, it doesn't necessarily

696
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,200
get any thicker or like more
viscous, but all that flavor

697
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,200
comes out.
And it has a burst of heat not

698
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,000
like ethanol burned, but like
actual warmth that comes out, it

699
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,700
really does kind of spread
across your palate like a much

700
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:22,700
higher proof whiskey would and
I'll give it that The flavors

701
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,100
I'm picking up Brad.
Don't really remind me of a rye

702
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,400
though, like it has some
graininess to it, but I'm almost

703
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,400
getting like barley and I don't
know if this is a for grain,

704
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,300
like, if it has wheat in it, but
it almost reminds me of like,

705
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:38,300
there's a wheat whiskey.
We tried from Starlight, I

706
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,800
think, like, a season or two
ago, it almost reminds me of

707
00:39:40,808 --> 00:39:42,700
like a barrel proof wheat
whiskey.

708
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:47,200
It has some really good grainy
notes to it and a lot of Oak.

709
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,100
I just don't like I don't even
know if I would pick up that.

710
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,500
This was a Rye whiskey if you
just set it in front of me

711
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,500
blind.
And so I'm wondering like how

712
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:58,000
much corn does this happen at
how much barley does this

713
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
happen?
It, it's an interesting whiskey,

714
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,700
but like, it doesn't have a lot
of Rye character for me, so I'm

715
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:08,700
going to give it a 7 out of 10
on the taste Bob, you're just

716
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,500
absolutely crazy.
Like, dude, we've had some rise

717
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,700
that are like, oh, this is
unmistakably made of Rye, you

718
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,100
know what I mean?
And this is one of the dishes,

719
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:22,100
like, this is mistake about me.
Of right.

720
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,000
No, like no.
I just I can tell that it's not

721
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,800
a holy ride experience.
Sure, I'm with you.

722
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,300
It's probably not a 100%.
Well we know it's not 100% Rye

723
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,800
but I'll tell you there is
enough mint and Rye flavor on

724
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,200
the palate to to very clearly
delineate this as a ride.

725
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,800
I guess what I'm trying to say
is I'll put it more succinctly.

726
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:50,600
You're wrong, that's it.
Yeah we got it we got it.

727
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,500
Okay cool.
Cool.

728
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,500
On the finish.
Here it tails off a little bit.

729
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:58,800
I think this is where the the
lack of proof points comes back

730
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,000
to bite it a little bit for me.
I still enjoy it a lot.

731
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,000
There's some really rich mint.
The oak comes out, pretty strong

732
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,400
strong at the end.
The only flavor that really

733
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,300
lingers for me for a while, is
the, the little bit of rice

734
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:15,300
spices there.
Some of the black pepper.

735
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,200
I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on
the finish.

736
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,100
It comes down a little ways from
the, the nose in the It, but

737
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,700
still a really strong strong
whiskey.

738
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,300
Yeah, it's funny.
I agree with everything you

739
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,000
said, like, in terms of the
flavors that are left behind.

740
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,100
I don't agree that it's a step
down, though.

741
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,400
I think this is actually where
the most flavor of the whole

742
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,500
experience lives is what's left
on your palate, afterwards.

743
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,900
Lots of black pepper.
Lots of Oak.

744
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,800
It's really nice again.
I don't know that.

745
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,500
I would call it a rye if you
just gave it to me blind.

746
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,500
But I mean, that's apparently my
problem, and I really like the

747
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,400
finish on this.
I'm going to once again, give it

748
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,200
a seven and a half out of ten.
When it comes to balance, I

749
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,800
think I'm actually going to give
this a 10 out of 10, Bob.

750
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Wow.
Like that.

751
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,500
Like it's just complex' enough
to highlight just everything

752
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,900
that's going on here.
I think that they take all of

753
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,700
the flavors, they marry them
together and just give you an

754
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:17,800
incredible experience at 84. 85
percent proof like I am really

755
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,800
Blown Away with what they're
doing at Victor's with this

756
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,100
stuff.
All right, so on balance.

757
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,000
I'm going to give it.
I'll give it a seven again.

758
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,900
Like I think it's a pretty
well-balanced whiskey.

759
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:30,300
I just don't know if this is
like my cup of tea.

760
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,000
You know what I'm saying?
I like makers bourbon a lot.

761
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,700
This ride so far is kind of like
it's a good.

762
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:38,500
I think it's a good introductory
Rye.

763
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:40,100
Like if you're not used to
drinking, right?

764
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,200
I think this is like the flavor
profile.

765
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,500
Where it's close enough to
Bourbon is clicked even close

766
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:47,100
enough to some scotches for me
that you could get away with

767
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:51,000
like, Hey, try this.
And it won't be like, Whiplash

768
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,800
on your If you've been drinking
something else before it so I

769
00:42:53,808 --> 00:42:55,800
like it.
Not my favorite thing in the

770
00:42:55,808 --> 00:42:57,300
world, I'll give it a 7 out of
10.

771
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:02,000
All right, so in the state of
Ohio, you can buy Mick ders.

772
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,100
U.s. one Kentucky, rye whiskey
for $44.99.

773
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,100
I think that's a nine and a half
value Bob.

774
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,600
I'm like okay, go ahead, keep
going, no, no, you're good,

775
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:17,600
everybody knows.
I love to see you do.

776
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:22,100
I'm not crazy about it.
However, it's a single barrel

777
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,700
and that's the thing.
Like, you can never really judge

778
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:31,400
a brand based solely on one
barrel, so I will give that

779
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,300
caveat Brad is this like a
noticeably higher quality

780
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,100
product than Benchmark?
Single Barrel was?

781
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:41,900
Yes.
Okay.

782
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,900
Is it like way far in a way?
Even, if even factoring in,

783
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,500
like, you like ride better than
you like bourbon?

784
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,800
Like you think this is just a
higher quality product?

785
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Yes, we'll get a cent because
the in fact that like that, you

786
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:00,300
know, the Benchmark Single
Barrel was $25, and like, it

787
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,800
felt like a very low quality
single bear.

788
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,300
This Feels like a very high
quality single barrel and it

789
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:11,100
only costs $45 like for me that
seems like a no-brainer.

790
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,600
Well, and I think my hesitation
is it's been watered down to 84

791
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,000
proof and so it's like an even
lower proof.

792
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,800
I think than the Benchmark
Single Barrel was it's pretty

793
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,300
rare to see a single barrel.
That is like this diluted.

794
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,800
So I'm really struggling to find
Value in this Brad.

795
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
I know you really like it.
I think I'm just going to give

796
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,100
it a six and a half on value.
Yeah, I'm at a 46 out of 50

797
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:37,200
bottle of 46.
Just just going to put this out

798
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
here.
This is above the 45 out of 50,

799
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,500
Mark, for me.
I mean, yeah, that's a 92 out of

800
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,600
100.
This is this is maybe your

801
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,300
second or third highest rated
whiskey in the history of the

802
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,900
film and whiskey podcast.
Yeah, it's incredible.

803
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:55,000
Bob, get on the, get on the
train.

804
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,400
I will the trim that I'm on is
numbered 35.5.

805
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,500
So I I am I'll full ten and a
half points below you.

806
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,500
We're coming out to an average
of an eighty one point while I

807
00:45:07,508 --> 00:45:09,900
guess and that's not an average.
We're coming out to a sum total

808
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,700
of an 81 and a half out of 100
for a forty point seven five out

809
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:19,400
of 50 that is entirely because
of Brad's really, really high

810
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,200
score.
And dude, like legitimately I

811
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,500
don't say this to be
condescending.

812
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,000
I know it's probably going to
sound condescending.

813
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,600
I really am like super happy for
you when you find Whiskey's like

814
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,600
this, that are like this far up
your alley, but Just like it

815
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,900
doesn't check the box, you're
gonna say it's far up here.

816
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,800
It just doesn't check the boxes
for me and you know, which boxes

817
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
I like in my Whiskey's and they
don't appeal to you as much.

818
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,400
So it's like, this is a brad G
whiskey through and through, and

819
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,100
I'm really happy, we got to try
it.

820
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,100
I would give that like a seven
out of ten condescending.

821
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,200
I'm but I'm being serious.
Like, I owe.

822
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,000
And as for you and I am happy
that you got to try something

823
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400
you love, even if I didn't.
Care for it as much as you did.

824
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
I appreciate that.
Bob, I wish that you could

825
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,400
appreciate goodness the way I do
that.

826
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,700
That's that is me being
condescending.

827
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,500
Let's get back into talking
about The Hurt Locker.

828
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:17,200
What do you say?
Let's do it, man.

829
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,800
Boom, that was mixers.
U.s.

830
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:29,900
Rye, Kentucky, One Whiskey man,
something something, something

831
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:33,200
rye, whiskey that detonated.
Our taste buds.

832
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,800
Oh, our friendship, at the very
least diffused, our friendship

833
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,100
Bob, you know, what time it is?
Is it to facts in a falsehood

834
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,600
time?
It is time for Canada's favorite

835
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:53,700
segments to fax in a falsehood I
tried to stop you ball to all

836
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:58,700
right, and what is wrong to fax
in a faucet?

837
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,000
That's right.
Two facts.

838
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,300
And a falsehood, the part of the
podcast where Brad makes stuff

839
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:06,000
up.
Now, you may be thinking, isn't

840
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,400
that what Brad does at every
part of the podcast and ID

841
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,000
percent of the time?
And that's true.

842
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,600
However, this is the designated
place for him to do that.

843
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,700
This is where he presents, three
items to me as fact about the

844
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:19,700
making of this movie, one of
which is a complete fabrication.

845
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,800
Action and it's my job to suss
out the LIE.

846
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,100
Brad hit me with your two facts.
In a falsehood fact, number one,

847
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,900
the hurt lockers box office
clocked in at number. 146

848
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:36,500
overall for the year with a pull
of twelve million, six hundred

849
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,800
seventy one thousand one hundred
five dollars of which Bob

850
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,700
supported it for what like nine
dollars worth back.

851
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,600
Then I did not, I didn't see it
in the theater.

852
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Oh, that's right.
You didn't even see it, man.

853
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,600
Do you even care about Cinema?
Like, I don't, it came just in

854
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,300
front of 12 rounds.
The Day, the Earth Stood Still,

855
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:59,900
and Sunshine Cleaning.
Mmm fact, number to Army staff.

856
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,500
Sergeant John Everett was
brought on to help ensure

857
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,200
authenticity to the actual
experience of the war.

858
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,300
But said that his suggestions
were so often ignored that he

859
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,600
could not continue on with the
project and quit halfway

860
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,500
through.
Wow.

861
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,600
Fact, number three, the three
songs in the Owned by Ministry.

862
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:21,400
Fear is a big business Palestina
and Khyber Pass are from their

863
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200
tenth album, the politically
driven, Rio Grande blood, which

864
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400
criticizes the war in Iraq and
former President George W bush.

865
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,100
It is also an anachronism as the
movie is set in 2004, but the

866
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:36,200
album was released in 2006.
Hmm.

867
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,300
I think number one is a fact,
but let me just double-check

868
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:46,400
when you're talking about like
domestic gross of the Year,

869
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,700
we're talking 2009, right?
Because it does, it didn't come

870
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:51,400
out.
Okay, yeah, I remember reading

871
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,600
somewhere that like this was one
of only a handful of Best

872
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Picture nominees.
For Best Picture winners, that

873
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,800
hadn't even like made their
money back when they won best

874
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,300
picture.
I think a got a slight bump

875
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,700
after the fact, but that would
have been in 2010.

876
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:11,200
So, that sounds about right,
Number two sounds plausible and

877
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,200
we will talk a lot about this
next week with Zero.

878
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,100
Dark Thirty that movie came
under a lot of fire about what

879
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,700
may or may not have been
fabricated after the fact.

880
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,700
So, you know, who's to say if
the seeds of that weren't so

881
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,200
nice here fact, number 3, I have
absolutely no idea.

882
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,300
You know, I know you might be
like, oh there it was actually

883
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,400
their ninth album.
Mwah.

884
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,800
So I don't know.
I'll go ahead and say three is

885
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,200
the falsehood but I don't really
know.

886
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,300
Number three is a true fact
about the movie.

887
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,600
All right cool.
Yeah that's enough to is the

888
00:49:46,607 --> 00:49:47,800
fall, right?
Cool cool.

889
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,700
Yeah.
Well I mean you are kind of

890
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:52,300
priests aging.
What we're going to talk about

891
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,500
next week with Zero Dark Thirty,
even though what I remember

892
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,000
about Zero Dark Thirty is that I
liked it a lot better than this

893
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,300
movie.
So I'm interested to see if like

894
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,400
you know it wasn't a good Ally
what it was the thing that

895
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Luther said if you're going to
send soon boldly you know yes

896
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,400
like you make it make a good
movie if you're going to make

897
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,100
Dude, way to get a good Martin
Luther quotient.

898
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
No, he's not.
I was not expecting that as we

899
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,900
talked about the Iraq War.
I do my best friend.

900
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:22,900
Oh man.
So we we honestly haven't really

901
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:25,700
talked about the performances
at, um, Bob.

902
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,500
I kind of mentioned.
My thoughts, where are you at on

903
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,800
the performances of our of our
two, main actors, you know,

904
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,700
Reiner and Anthony Mackie.
Well, let's start with Anthony

905
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,700
Mackie because I have a feeling
I disagree with you about Jeremy

906
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:42,700
Renner I think Anthony Mackie to
your point is the standout

907
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:46,700
performance of this movie.
And I think it's a little bit.

908
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:48,700
You know, if I could put a
caveat on that, it's a little

909
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,500
bit easier because he is a
person who is experiencing

910
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:55,100
normal, human emotion, and
normal reactions to things.

911
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,300
And so he's much easier to
empathize with than Renner.

912
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:04,400
However, even with that said,
Mackey's final scene in the

913
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Humvee with Renner, where he
just finally has this

914
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,300
realization of like, You
basically, as an audience member

915
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:12,800
realized, there are two types of
people in this world and one

916
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,900
reacts like that, and one reacts
like that.

917
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,400
And and that's literally the
point of that scene and Mackay

918
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,100
hits his breaking point, where
he's like, I hate this, I can't

919
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:25,000
do this anymore, not only that,
like, I have to have a child.

920
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,700
Like, I'm going home.
I'm going to have a son now and

921
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:31,100
watching him kind of break down.
And that moment was incredible.

922
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,100
Really emotionally, affected me.
And the, and then the scene

923
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,100
takes a turn into like trying to
psychologize, you know?

924
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,800
Renders character, but for me
the most effective part of that

925
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,900
scene was Anthony Mackie.
He's a fantastic actor.

926
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,600
I hate the people only know him
from the MCU because he's kind

927
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,600
of underutilized there.
And I'm glad to see the he's

928
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,600
like getting back into projects
now that are not MCU related,

929
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,100
but he's the best performance in
the movie.

930
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,600
I wish he had, you know, won an
Oscar for this bread.

931
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:02,000
Yeah, 100%.
I think, what I love most about

932
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,400
your point of these are the two
types of people in the world is

933
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,000
that Bigelow doesn't make A
value judgment on that.

934
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,100
Like both of them are effective
at their jobs.

935
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Like, like, Mackey is a good
soldier.

936
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,700
He, he does his job.
Well, even as he's questioning

937
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
the things that they're doing
and the things that renters

938
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,300
specifically are is doing.
And yet, at the end of the

939
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:31,200
movie, he goes home and
ostensibly has a kid because

940
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,100
that's that's his goal and
Renard has to return to the

941
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:38,600
battlefield.
And neither of them are wrong.

942
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:43,300
Like, both of them are presented
as capable at their jobs unique

943
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:47,400
interesting individuals, who who
are engaging in this life.

944
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,400
The best that they can, huh?
Wow, I don't have that read on

945
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,900
it at all.
Like I think that is one thing

946
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:58,300
to present someone without
judgement with the understanding

947
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,300
with the audience that like this
person is fundamentally broken

948
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,200
and that's renders carry like I
don't think she's being like.

949
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,300
Yeah, this is a normal positive
reaction that In have, I think

950
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:10,600
he's very much like know.
This dude is like, really,

951
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,600
really messed up and this is the
only way he knows how to engage

952
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,700
with his surroundings.
Well, that's why, that's why I

953
00:53:16,707 --> 00:53:19,600
think that the opening quote
actually does the movie A

954
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,900
disservice.
The whole idea of war is a drug,

955
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,400
the, the classical understanding
of drugs, at least.

956
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,600
The one that I was raised with
was that like, drugs are a

957
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,300
choice?
You know, like the the stupid

958
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,900
just say no?
Yep.

959
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,300
Like drugs.
Eggs are a choice and that it's

960
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:41,900
just what we, you know, people
do because they're bad and they

961
00:53:41,908 --> 00:53:45,100
make bad decisions and I think
that you kind of get that a

962
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:48,500
little bit here with Jeremy
Runner whereas if you if you

963
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:53,500
view drugs, through the actual
lens of they are used to numb

964
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,600
the trauma that we experience in
life.

965
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,900
That makes a lot more sense for
runners character that that he

966
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:04,700
has, undergone something in his
childhood that he is running as

967
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:09,800
fast away from as he can.
And war is the drug of choice to

968
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,400
disassociate from his experience
in life.

969
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,700
All right, so tell me a little
bit more about what you think of

970
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:17,700
Renner here.
Because not only did you say

971
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,800
that this performance wasn't
great for you, but you said, I

972
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,100
don't think Jeremy Renner is a
very good actor, and I think

973
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:27,500
that seems kind of harsh to me,
so make your case.

974
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,500
Well, speaking, as one of
America's greatest actors of all

975
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:38,700
time, I would have to say that
Renner is Just wooden.

976
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:45,600
He just constantly comes across
as not being fluid in his

977
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,600
movements.
I don't think that he does.

978
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,100
See ya, I can already see here
what you're about to say, Bob I

979
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:58,900
just he comes across as so
soulless hmm and I and it works

980
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:01,000
in this movie because that's
kind of the point.

981
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,200
Like he's only supposed to be
alive when he's, you know, in

982
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,300
incredible danger.
But I guess maybe I'm letting

983
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:12,100
other performances of Renner
bleed into this where I just, I

984
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:16,400
don't enjoy Runner as an actor
and I think in so many of his

985
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,700
movies, he kind of comes across
as D and inauthentic hmm and

986
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,700
that like for me, that's a major
sin.

987
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Wow.
Yeah I just don't get that.

988
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,800
I mean I think that he really
Leverage is in some in some

989
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,100
movies he comes across as like
the the slimy cocky guy and I

990
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,400
think in this one he's kind of
cocky but it's more like he's a

991
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,000
he's a desperate junkie.
And I think you get that here he

992
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,400
doesn't have interpersonal
communication skills.

993
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,600
He can he I mean, he only
communicates with the guys when

994
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,000
he's drunk and I think he plays
that really well.

995
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,200
Well, and there was a couple
moments.

996
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,100
He doesn't like in the face, he
doesn't really look like this

997
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,700
actor, but there were a couple
moments where some facial

998
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:58,900
expressions that he was making
reminded me.

999
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:03,600
A lot of the way that Sean Penn
played his character in Mystic

1000
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,200
River and it just like when that
went on that clicked for me it

1001
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,300
was something about the way he
was holding his face in one

1002
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:12,200
moment and I was like, oh, it's
Sean Penn and then from the rest

1003
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000
of the movie on, I was like this
is a fantastic, Sean Penn

1004
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,800
performance like and I think
that's what I really loved

1005
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,500
about.
Like it was really good and I

1006
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,500
think I'm with you.
Like I don't know that Renner is

1007
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:25,400
like one of our best overall
actors but I absolutely think he

1008
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,800
deserved his Oscar nomination.
I think this is a really good

1009
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,600
performance.
Playing a man who has repressed

1010
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,900
every emotion and only knows how
to chase.

1011
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:38,700
The high of being constantly at
risk of getting blown up.

1012
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:42,800
Yeah, I think the the most
interesting point for him as a

1013
00:56:42,808 --> 00:56:48,100
character is The one time he
kind of comes to life outside of

1014
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:53,100
military situations is with this
young Iraqi boy who sells him a,

1015
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:56,400
you know, crap DVD and play
soccer with him a little bit.

1016
00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:00,200
And I think it's in those
moments that you you start to

1017
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,100
tease out a little bit of his
character and you get to see him

1018
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:08,500
for who he might really be but
there's not enough of it.

1019
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:11,600
And I think that's that's why
for me his character just

1020
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,200
becomes very repetitive and And
frankly, just boring as a

1021
00:57:16,207 --> 00:57:17,500
character, he doesn't go
anywhere.

1022
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:19,600
He doesn't move, he doesn't
change.

1023
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,400
He's just who he is.
It's not a, maybe it's the

1024
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,900
writing that I like less than
renders performance.

1025
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:29,600
All right, let me just push back
a little bit.

1026
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,100
Like does Travis Bickle.
Go anywhere in Taxi Driver like

1027
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,800
he's crazy from the get-go.
He gets more crazy as the movie

1028
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,200
goes on until there's like this,
you know, orgy of violence at

1029
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,700
the end of the movie.
Like, yeah, but the movie is not

1030
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:46,600
about Travis Bickle.
The movie is about society and,

1031
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,700
and how it treats people like
Travis Bickle.

1032
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,100
Well, isn't that what this movie
is about?

1033
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,200
Isn't this movie about what
happens when you put a person in

1034
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200
this situation over and over and
over again?

1035
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,700
No, the movie is about him.
And his journey to anesthetize,

1036
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:03,500
the pain that he's in and he
just keeps doing the same thing

1037
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,500
over and over again and that's
boring.

1038
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,400
You are like, I love that you
speak.

1039
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,400
Only in absolutes.
Brad only a Sith would do that.

1040
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Call me as call me a sip baby.
I just like sometimes you're

1041
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,500
like, yeah, this movie didn't
work for me but I can see blah

1042
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:23,000
blah and this time around are
just like it's boring, it's

1043
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,900
stupid, Jeremy Renner, bad
actor, like many players, Rye

1044
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:29,400
incredible.
Like, in a way that I don't know

1045
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,200
that this movie deserves anyone
ever being that harsh towards

1046
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,500
it, like a bell at its worst.
This movie is fine at its best,

1047
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,900
it's really good.
So what you're saying is the

1048
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:42,500
movie barely merits your
attention, which is probably the

1049
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:43,900
worst thing you could say about
it.

1050
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:45,200
You can say about a movie.
Yeah.

1051
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,100
Alright, so in, in the spirit of
that, I'm really interested to

1052
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,500
see what you're going to pair
this up with Brad because it's

1053
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:56,800
time for our last segment of the
day which we call let's make it

1054
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,600
a double who knew The end of the
episode.

1055
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,400
So thanks for listening to the
film and whiskey show.

1056
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,000
Let's pair another film with
this one.

1057
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Even if it's struggle, it's a
final segment of the day.

1058
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,500
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it.

1059
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,000
A double is the part of the
podcast, where we pair, this

1060
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,400
movie up with another film to
make the perfect double feature

1061
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,900
Brad.
You want to go first?

1062
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,100
Yeah, I just want to pair it
with a movie that's actually

1063
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,800
good.
Sicario.

1064
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:26,300
Oh sicario I didn't think about
that one dude.

1065
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:29,600
Sicario just It lives in my
brain, rent free.

1066
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,900
I want to watch it again.
I think it's probably one of the

1067
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:39,500
best films about Modern Warfare
that I've ever seen and I love

1068
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,200
it and it's incredible
interesting because it is so

1069
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,700
you're right.
It is about Warfare but it's

1070
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:47,700
like a bureaucratic War more
than huh and yet.

1071
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,700
Yeah I'm I'm really interested
in that pairing because

1072
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,700
aesthetically these movies are
nothing alike.

1073
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:58,600
Like that movie has these kind
of very long take Of Roger

1074
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,600
deakins camera kind of floating
in and out of situations.

1075
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,900
And this movie is, you know, cut
cut, cut, cut, cut, shake, shake

1076
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:06,600
shake shake, shake over and over
and over.

1077
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,600
Yeah, like I said, I want I
want.

1078
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,700
Good cinematography.
Oh my gosh, dude.

1079
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:14,300
Okay.
All right, I'm gonna this is

1080
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:16,300
hard because I think there's
like, at least three or four

1081
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:17,400
movies.
I compare this with.

1082
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,200
I think I talked about Black
Hawk Down already.

1083
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:22,700
What movie do I compare it with
Jarhead.

1084
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:24,000
I think that would be a really
good one.

1085
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:28,100
What's the one?
It's like a marionette movie.

1086
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:35,400
America police force something.
You should you should pair it

1087
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,400
with that, Bob Brad.
I think the movie that I'm going

1088
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,900
to pair this with is the deer
hunter because you know, we

1089
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,000
haven't done the deer hunter
yet.

1090
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,700
I'm excited to do that.
Som de dinero De Niro.

1091
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,600
It's one of the better movies
about the way that you get that

1092
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,100
warm.
Messes up your psyche and that

1093
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:55,100
people get sucked into the the
drug of war.

1094
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,900
And that's obviously the theme
of this movie, man.

1095
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,200
I just feel like there's another
movie out there that I had

1096
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,200
pegged.
As this is going to be my, let's

1097
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,800
make it a double and I can't
think of it, but I think if I

1098
01:01:05,808 --> 01:01:08,800
have to get up to a stopping
Place Tropic Thunder, that's it.

1099
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,500
If there has to be a second
place winner, the deer hunter is

1100
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,600
a pretty darn good one.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on the

1101
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,900
better one.
Bobby blessing.

1102
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,000
I only want I only want the best
from you and unfortunately I

1103
01:01:19,008 --> 01:01:22,000
know I'm not going to That from
you and final scores here.

1104
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:27,400
So here's the thing, Bob at this
point in the episode, I'm just

1105
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,200
trying to give you crap to annoy
you.

1106
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:30,400
Sure.
I think.

1107
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,100
I think that this is a pretty
solid film.

1108
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,700
I don't think in almost any
other year.

1109
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:41,700
It would win best picture.
But when I looked at the lineup

1110
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:46,400
for Best Picture nominees in
2010, right?

1111
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,500
Right, I like other than up in
the air, I don't know if there's

1112
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:54,800
a single movie on there that I
Was like, oh, that's an obvious

1113
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,600
Best Picture Winner, and even up
in the air.

1114
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:03,600
I absolutely love that movie.
It doesn't quite have a Best

1115
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,200
Picture Winner, feel to it, and
it's a little bit too.

1116
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Goofy has a little bit too much
Anna Kendrick to like be like,

1117
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,000
hey, this should win best
picture.

1118
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,300
So while I think that it
rightfully gave Hurt Locker run

1119
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:21,600
for its money.
I think it kind of makes sense

1120
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,700
that this one like it like it's
a really good movie at this

1121
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:27,900
point.
I'm just vamping.

1122
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,600
I am going to give this A seven
and a half out of ten.

1123
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,100
Okay.
I like it.

1124
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,300
I would come back to it at some
point.

1125
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,500
I think I would just be curious
to come back to it in a few

1126
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:45,500
years and see if I can allow the
cinematography to draw me in a

1127
01:02:45,508 --> 01:02:47,700
little more.
Yeah, I'm going to give it an

1128
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:49,700
eight and a half out of ten and
it's funny because I really

1129
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,900
haven't talked about the things
that didn't work for me and it's

1130
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,000
pretty much the opposite of of
your thing.

1131
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,600
Like I thought that the
repetitiveness of defusing the

1132
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,200
bombs was really effective.
Because a they were really

1133
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,000
extended sequences and she is so
good and her editors are so good

1134
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,800
at drawing tension out of those
situations that it wasn't

1135
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,900
diminishing returns to me the
way it was to you, and it really

1136
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:14,700
made the movie Click.
It's when he goes off on his

1137
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,300
little side quest and just like
runs through the streets of

1138
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:18,800
Baghdad in a hoodie.
Yeah.

1139
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,100
And I'm like, wait, what are we
doing here?

1140
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,900
Like and then he's doing his
best Tom Cruise invitation.

1141
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,200
Well, I yeah, man, he goes on to
be in Mission Impossible.

1142
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,000
A couple years later.
So, you know, and then how does

1143
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,700
he get back to the base?
They just show him.

1144
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,800
Running back to the base and
there's tons of eyes on him and

1145
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,500
then all of a sudden, he's like,
at the gate like, uh, glad I

1146
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:38,200
made it back.
Wait, wait a minute.

1147
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,300
How did this?
That's when the movie started to

1148
01:03:40,308 --> 01:03:42,900
fall apart a little bit?
To me, the, the line where the

1149
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:45,000
guard is.
Like, I'll let you go.

1150
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200
If you tell me where it is,
where's the whorehouse?

1151
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:51,200
I think it's really well done.
And I think it's one of those

1152
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,900
movies Brad that I'm glad word
waiting until almost episode

1153
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:57,100
202.
Do because I really do want to

1154
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:02,300
emphasize how good of a movie it
is from a Raft standpoint it's a

1155
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:05,700
really well-crafted well-shot.
Well-choreographed movie.

1156
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:09,100
I just again I don't know if
it's like a transcendentally

1157
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:11,800
good movie.
All those movies from 2009 feel

1158
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,700
very much like 2009.
It's cool to have it as a time

1159
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:18,300
capsule but I don't know if it's
anything more than that.

1160
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:19,900
So it's an eight and a half for
me.

1161
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,300
So, let's bring this out to an 8
out of 10.

1162
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,100
I'm excited to see how this
Compares To Zero Dark Thirty,

1163
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,900
which I really thought was the
better movie, but it also was

1164
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:34,400
like a much like a much more
ambitious movie.

1165
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:37,000
So I mean, we're going to check
it out next week.

1166
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,500
Let us know what you think of
The Hurt Locker.

1167
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,100
Did you see it?
When it was in theaters where

1168
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:43,900
you one of the 12 people that
saw it, or have you caught it in

1169
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:46,600
the intervening years?
Where does it rank for you

1170
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,100
among, you know, modern war
movies?

1171
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,700
Let us know on our social
medias.

1172
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,600
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1173
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,300
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1174
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:02,700
day, talking about movies,
whiskey and absolutely anything

1175
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:05,500
else that is going on.
In our world today you can find

1176
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:08,000
a link to our Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

1177
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,300
notes.
Next week, we will be back

1178
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:15,900
talking about Zero Dark Thirty
but until then I'm Bob book, I'm

1179
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:17,900
Brad G and we'll see you next
time.