The Holdovers / Stranahan's Snowflake

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In 2023, director Alexander
Payne and star Paul Giamatti

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gave the world a warm and
Invitational film about the

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power of honest conversations.
In 2024, we tried perhaps the

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perfect Christmas whiskey.
The film is The Holdovers.

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The whiskey is Stranahan's
snowflake.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and whiskey.
Podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And Brad, it is officially the
Christmas season here at Film

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and Whiskey.
It's the weather.

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Outside is frightful, Bob.
Yeah, well, that's because we

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live in Ohio.
But sure, we'll, we'll tie it

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into Christmas.
It's December 17th.

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So we, we, we're theming this
around Christmas because next

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Tuesday we're taking a break
from our regularly scheduled

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programming to bring you our
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Miss series.
Cruise Miss.

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We'll be looking once again at a
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We're going to try to tie it to
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Now, what is film and whiskey?

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Film and Whiskey is a podcast
where we review classic movies

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and we drink a new glass of
whiskey each week.

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This season we're looking at
films released in the last 20

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years and we're asking the
question, does this film deserve

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to be considered a modern
classic?

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And Brad, I don't think we need
to bury the lead on the

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holdovers.
This is a film that came out

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last year.
It was, you know, always kind of

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in second or third place in the
awards season run behind the

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juggernaut that was Oppenheimer.
But I think the consensus both

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among critics and audiences at
the time was like, man, if this

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movie had come out in any other
year, this is like a lock for a

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best picture win because it is
such a crowd pleaser and was

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immediately hailed as a new
Christmas classic.

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And I dare say Brad, it can
easily be considered a modern

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classic.
I am 100% with you, Bob.

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This was one that you very
ardently strove to get me to

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see, not necessarily in
theaters.

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You just wanted me to watch it.
And it feels like it was around

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that time that you were really
pushing the holdovers past

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lives.
You had already tried to get me

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to see Oppenheimer
unsuccessfully, but it felt like

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this year there was like a lot
of movies that really, I don't

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know, tickled your fancy.
Yeah, I think as we get farther

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and farther from it, it's going
to be clear that 2023 is one of

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the best movie years ever,
especially at the top of the

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heap.
I can't remember the last time

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that I've made like my 10 best
list, and I've looked through

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and said I'm going to go out and
spend money on buying at least

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the top six of these.
You know, there's a lot of times

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where I think a movie is like an
8 out of 10, and I still don't

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feel compelled to own that
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But between the Holdovers,
Oppenheimer, Past Lives, Anatomy

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of a Fall, Godzilla -1 even on
the family side, the movie Wonka

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is a movie I really, really
loved.

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I think it was just an absolute
banger of a year last year, man.

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Yeah, and I'm super excited to
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this is a film that feels like
one of the most honest and

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charming films that has come out
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It really is kind of a warm
sweater of a movie, even though

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the characters are cold and
prickly at times.

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It feels very familiar, and I
think that's by design.

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You know, the director Alexander
Payne is great at making movies

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like this where two prickly
characters come together and

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have some sort of odyssey or
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I think for a long time I've
told you about this movie I love

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from him called Nebraska.
I'm sure we'll watch it someday

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on the podcast.
But this is probably the

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Alexander Payne movie that has
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general public, at least since
his movie Sideways, which came

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out in 2004.
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trying to do here is he's trying
to harken back to, there's a

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director from the 70s named Hal
Ashby, who is it kind of had a

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resurgence in the last 10 years.
People are looking at his movies

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a lot more now.
And he had very sincere movies

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that are in the same vein as The
Holdovers.

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So this movie is set in the
1970s.

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They do a lot of kind of
gimmicky things with the credits

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and stuff to make it mimic 1970s
films.

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But more than that, it's just
you don't get movies like this

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anymore where none of it feels
new.

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All of it feels like pieces of
other movies that you've seen.

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But it's the the alchemy, it's
the recipe of adding all these

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ingredients together that add up
to something that at once feels

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brand new and like it's been a
part of your life for years and

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years already.
Yeah, that.

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That's the magic of this movie.
Like, I never found myself

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completely thrown by anything in
the film, and yet I was able to

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move emotionally to the places
that Paine wanted to take me.

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That felt so impactful and
meaningful.

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And yeah, I I just think he
knocked out of the park.

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I, I can't wait to like, really
get into it, Bob.

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All right.
Well, in order to get into it, I

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think it's time to throw to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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I'm assuming this is watch #2
for you, Brad.

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It is, yes.
All right, well, you're it's old

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hat to you at this point, I
think is what we're.

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Saying, I mean, for the amount
of time it's been out to the

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amount of times I've seen it
that like that, whatever that

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ratio is, it might be one of my
higher ratios for a film.

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That's true.
All right, so the way Brad

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explains works is you get 60
seconds on the clock to break

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down the plot of the film in
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So we know this movie is only a
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If you have not yet seen The
Holdovers, you got to press

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pause.
Now you have to go watch this

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movie.
If you can't tell from the

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effusive praise we've given it,
it's going to be very highly

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scored by us and I would hate to
ruin the movie for you right

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now.
Go watch The Holdovers.

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Come back and listen to Brad
explain the plot of it.

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You have one minute on the clock
and go.

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The Holdovers is a film about a
group of students who are left

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at their all boys preparatory
school, high school, and they

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are being left with a
curmudgeonly old history teacher

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named Mr. Hunsley Hunson Hunnam.
Hunnam.

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Mr. Hunnam, played by Paul
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Within a week or so of them
being there, most of the

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children go away with one of the
kids dads on vacation and the

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rest of the film you follow
Giamatti and the student that is

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left, Angus Tully and one of the
staff members who stays behind

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to cook everybody meals.
And I can't think of her name

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right now.
Mary.

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Yep, Yep, Mary.
So the three of them hang out

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together, learn about each
other's lives, and descend into

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each other's madness, and yet
come out all the more sane.

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Yeah, that's a good description
of the movie, and I think it

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does enough of teasing what's to
come in the movie without giving

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it away, because in a lot of
ways this feels like a classic

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hangout movie, you know what I
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Like there's definitely
character progressions and arcs,

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but one of the things that I
really loved watching it this

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time through, and if I can just
give 30 seconds of background,

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I've been trying to also get my
wife to watch this movie for a

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solid year.
And we sat down to watch it one

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night last year and it was
really late and we hit almost

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the midway point of the movie.
It's when right after Angus has

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dislocated his shoulder and they
go to the bar as kind of a

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reward for Angus lying and
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My wife looked at me and she's
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She's like, I'm kind of bored.
I was like, no, this movie is so

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good.
And and.

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All of the good stuff is still
to come, please.

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But we turned it off 'cause I,
you know, at that point it was a

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lost cause.
Flash forward to last week.

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They're doing a free screening
of this movie at my former

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employer, Case Western Reserve
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They have a film society on
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They showed this movie on a
massive screen.

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And so we went up there as part
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And I was like, you got to
commit to doing this with me.

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She's like, of course, we walked
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And she was like, OK, I get, I
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That was a really, really good
movie.

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But on the way back to the car,
I asked her, you know, what was

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it about the first half of the
movie that didn't click as

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opposed to the second-half?
And she just kept saying like,

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it's such an interesting movie.
And she said, I don't want to

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call it disjointed, but and then
she kind of trailed off and I

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understood where she was going
because we've referenced this

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thing by the creators of South
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This video where Trey Parker is
explaining how you can't just

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have a plot where it's this
happens and then this happens

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and then this happens.
There has to be some causality.

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This happens.
So this happens, but this

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happens.
So this happens and this movie

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kind of breaks that convention.
Like they're they're kind of

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moving forward as a logical
progression of things that

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happened before.
But I do feel like you could

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take a number of scenes in this
movie and reshuffle them and the

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characters still end up in the
same place at the end of the

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movie.
This is more a movie about kind

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of a totality or a volume of
things that happened to the

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characters in the 1st 3/4 of it
to get you on their side

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sympathetically so that the
whole last quarter of the movie

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can be emotional payoff.
And it really works.

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And I'm, I guess I wasn't
expecting a movie that felt so

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familiar to be such a convention
breaking movie, but that's how

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it feels.
That's interesting, Bob.

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I I don't know if I would say it
feels quite that convention

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breaking.
Like I, I think within scenes

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or, you know, within a small
collection of scenes, you have

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the this happens so that this
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I guess I would say it feels to
me like this movie kind of has

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distinct thirds.
Yes, like the first third of the

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movie is them, you know, getting
to know Hun Hunnam, Paul

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Giamatti Hunnam.
I just keep on to say in Hunley,

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getting to know Paul Giamatti's
character, getting to know

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Dominique Sera, Is that Sessa?
Bro you are like 8.

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For eight on not knowing names
today.

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I'm nailing it, dude.
Absolutely incredible.

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It's what everybody signs up for
Bob, getting to know the

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characters and seeing how they
interact with other people,

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which I think is really
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Like if this entire film was
just the three characters, I

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think it would suffer.
So you get to see them bounce

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off of other people, which helps
you then feel the claustrophobia

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of the second act when it's just
the three of them and

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occasionally the janitor.
And then I, I don't know.

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Would you say that the third act
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Christmas?
Party.

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Yeah, I was.
I was thinking and I have it in

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my notes here.
First act is all of the kids and

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Giamatti.
Second act is these three people

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are trapped together ending in
Christmas and him saying like, I

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want to go to Boston.
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everything that happens after
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And what's what's really great
about this movie, Brad, And it

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is a long movie.
It's like 2 hours and 15

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minutes.
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I'm going to give perhaps my
highest possible score to, it

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does feel shaggy at parts like
it, but it's shaggy in a way

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that I keep going back to this
phrase hangout movie.

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It doesn't really feel boring.
It just sometimes feels like

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this is how life works and you
just kind of watch pauses and

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sometimes days are boring.
And they do a good job of

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reflecting how boring it can be
in the middle of nowhere in the

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winter time.
But if the movie had ended at

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the end of Christmas, where
you've these three people have

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forged a truce together, you've
watched them go through

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emotional ups and downs, you
have that great scene at the

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Christmas party and then kind of
just fast forwarded to everybody

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comes back from winter break.
It would have been a passable

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movie.
Like it tells a complete arc.

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And yet Pain and the
screenwriter do such a good job

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in that third act of continuing
to give you character reveals to

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deepen the relationships.
You watch each character bounce

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off each other in ways that are
unique to them.

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I just what I love about the
movie is you could end it in

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five different spots and it's a
super satisfying movie.

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And ending it where they did
somehow maximized the

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effectiveness.
And if we had not ended it where

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we did, we would have never
gotten one of the greatest

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insults in film history.
When Paul Giamatti looks at the

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principal of the school and
says, I've known you since you

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were a child, so I feel like I'm
an expert and can say that you

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are absolute penis cancer in
human form.

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What a great insult.
Man.

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All right, let's dive into not
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Let's start with performances,
because to this day, Paul

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Giamatti should have won Best
Actor over Killian Murphy in in.

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Oh, that is strong, Bob.
Killian's great dude, but, and

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perhaps it's just because this
movie is a much bigger warm hug

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and because he gets his oscari
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When he walks out of that office
and starts choking up and points

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to his his lazy eye and says
like this is the one.

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And then he has the moment at
the very end of the movie where

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he just says see ya.
And that's that's it.

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Tear 100% tears in both of those
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It's so good dude.
Also, his eyes, if we didn't

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mention this before, he is
walleyed and it kind of feels

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like the hunchback in Young
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We're like, it's like, it's like
his right eye is the walleyed

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eye for a little while and then
his left one and you're never

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quite sure which one is
walleyed.

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It's perfect.
I also think my favorite Oscar

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moment for Giamatti in this film
isn't when he makes you cry at

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the end of the movie.
I don't know if I've ever seen

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somebody capture the human
desire to do random things and

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random moments for no real
reason.

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Better than when he's walking
past the football.

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It might be my favorite scene of
the movie, Bob, because he's

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just walking along in the snow,
there's nobody on the campus.

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He sees a football laying there
and throws it with the absolute

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worst throw I've ever seen in my
life.

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And then and then it just cuts
to the next scene.

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Like, and then he walks away
kind of self satisfied too.

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Yeah.
Like I did it, like I I did it.

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That ball went like 9 feet.
Here's how I know this movie

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works.
So I will admit on my wife's

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behalf, that first hour, there
are moments where you're still

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trying to get into the rhythm of
the movie and it really does

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replicate older Hal Ashby style
70s movies.

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And you got to get on its
wavelength or you're going to

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think it's boring.
And the really good meat of the

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movie doesn't come until after
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So that was literally the worst
place for us to stop watching

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it.
We were watching last year.

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But here's how I know that
everyone was bought in.

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I'm in this theater full of
people, and it gets to the scene

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where they're at the holiday
party.

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So the three of them have been
holed up in this boarding

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school.
And the, I believe the secretary

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for the headmaster is having a
party, a holiday party at her

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house full of townies.
And they had run into her at the

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bar.
And then she invites Giamatti

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and the boy and Mary.
And at this holiday party, it is

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like an extended, probably 15
minute sequence where

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everybody's character arcs to
that point come to a head.

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Giamatti is finally hoping to
break out of his shell because

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he is, you know, a lonely man.
He has his condition that makes

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him smell really bad.
He's socially inept and he's

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taking a big swing and he's
taking a risk because he has a

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crush on this lady, Dominic
Sessa.

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We don't know what's going on
with his character aside from

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he's just been left at school.
He said that made it sound like

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Dominic Sessa was the Lady.
He had a crush on.

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He's chasing after her.
Super problematic movie.

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Dominic says his character
Angus.

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We don't really know what's
going on with him other than

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that his parents kind of suck
and have left him at school.

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But he's lonely and he finds a
girl that he starts flirting

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with in the basement of this
house.

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Mary, her son has been killed in
Vietnam.

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She's living at this boarding
school watching all these rich

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ash asshole ish kids have the
life that her son deserved.

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And all these things come to a
head.

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And the moment where it really,
really clicks is when that woman

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comes over and starts talking to
Paul Giamatti, reaches over,

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touches his leg, tells him,
like, these kids need you now

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more than ever.
And it really hits him.

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And he's like, oh, my gosh.
And then she looks up off screen

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and says, oh, excuse me a
second.

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And the camera cuts over to
Giamatti as you watch her walk

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behind him and kind of in, you
know, out of focus.

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And you don't see the top of her
head or anything.

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And he's sitting there, like,
really happy.

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And then he kind of turns around
to see who she's greeting at the

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door, and it pans up and she's
kissing a guy.

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That's her bow.
The look on Paul Giamatti's face

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is bro, it's.
That's the Oscar right there,

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dude.
That's the Oscar right there.

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It is such an incredible scene.
Like, we have been watching Paul

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freaking Giamatti for decades
now.

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Be one of the best supporting
actors ever to do it.

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Like, I mean, he's got to be on
the Mount Rushmore of best

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supporting actors.
And here he is with his chance.

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He's taken everything he's ever
learned about acting and he

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throws it into that moment.
And it is perfect.

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It it is the most crushing
thing.

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And here's why I said this is
how I know the movies working in

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the theater.
You heard voices, male and

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female.
At 1 moment, I'll just go, oh,

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like our sympathies are totally
with this guy at this point.

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And then you get the even more
crushing moment that follows it

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of Mary breaking down in the
kitchen after she's gotten drunk

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and she's listening to music
that she loved with her son.

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And just like, the anger of her
just admitting like, he's gone.

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He's gone.
It is such a necessary moment

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because from that point on,
you're like, I don't know where

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this movie is going to go.
Like, this needed to happen to

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give the movie direction, but
what's going to happen to these

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characters now?
And I'm fully bought in to all

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of them now in a way I wasn't 10
minutes ago.

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And that's the beauty of a good
script Like this film gives you

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all of these terrible human
beings that kind of suck.

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Like, like they're all lovable
in their own way, but they're

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not especially great.
And you have just enough moments

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of kindness and seeing that they
care.

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Like, you get it with Angus when
one of the young students has

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wet his bed because he was
crying at night and and misses

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his family deeply.
And you know, Angus offers, says

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hey, like, like find a dry spot
to sleep.

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I'll help you clean up in the
morning, but don't tell anyone

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else otherwise they'll never not
give you hell.

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And the way he says it is in
that way of because they gave me

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hell right And all like despite
all of the, and I think the best

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word is prickliness of these
characters, you can't help but

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fall in love with them.
And so that when you get those

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emotional payouts of them
breaking down and being honest

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about their failures and fears
and sadness, it, it's the most

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honest movie I've seen in a long
time.

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I think one of the most direct
comparisons you can make between

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this movie and another is Dead
Poet Society.

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It got a lot of that, and if you
read up a little bit like I

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again, I skimmed to the
Wikipedia for this movie, but it

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says that the screenwriter said
it purposely in 1970 instead of

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in the 1950s or 60s because he
didn't want it to be

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chronologically too close to
Dead Poets Society.

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First of all, this is a better
movie than Dead Poets Society,

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and I don't I don't mind saying
that.

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Every time I tell people about
it, they're like, oh, what's

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that about?
And I'm like, it's a dead.

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It's a better Dead Poets
Society.

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I think that the connective
tissue though, is that I could

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see Robin Williams playing this
role.

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I actually don't think it would
be as good with a Robin Williams

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type.
You know, Robin Williams has

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this sort of nakedness to his
emotions where you can see into

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the vulnerability.
And I think the closest thing we

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have to that today is maybe like
Steve Carell can do that really

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well in some of his films.
I don't think either one of

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those characters does a better
job than what Giamatti goes for

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here.
It is really the perfect balance

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of even after you're on his
side, he never sheds the like,

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Checadillos or the little
idiosyncrasies of that

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character.
He still is who he is, but it's

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you as an audience member who's
changed in how you receive those

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things or perceive those things.
And that's where I think like,

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Williams probably would have
gone a little bit too schmaltzy

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with this role.
And I love Robin Williams, but I

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think Giamatti's doing something
here that's a little bit more

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nuanced.
Yeah, the the beauty of his

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performance is that he does stay
the same.

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And yet those slight bits of
warmth stick around and and and

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you recognize that this feels
way more true to how human

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beings really are.
And like, as as somebody who has

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worked as a chaplain and
interacted with lots of human

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beings in their homes, in the
hospital, this just felt way

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more real to who we are as a
human race that we don't just

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live for, you know, 60 odd years
as Giamatti's character does in

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this movie.
And just suddenly, it's like 01

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Christmas break.
All of a sudden we're all happy,

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go lucky and good.
Like this isn't The Breakfast

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Club.
We're we're not all like perfect

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friends at the end of it.
And yet it's that moment when

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he's teaching his class at the
start of the new semester, and

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he looks at Angus and just gives
him a tiny smile, like he's

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exact, the exact same teacher
that he's always been.

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But there's a warmth there now.
There's a relationship that you

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can tell makes him feel like
life might, just maybe, be worth

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living.
Let's talk a little bit about

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Dominic Sessa.
This is his first movie.

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This is like a true, honest to
goodness introducing Dominic

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Sessa.
They had an open casting call

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at, I believe the boarding
school that they shot at, and

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Sessa showed up and they're
like, that's our guy now.

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He he is a little bit older.
I think he's 20 when this movie

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comes out.
But they work it into the script

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a little bit where he says
something like, I've been kicked

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out of three schools.
That's why I'm still a junior,

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give or take a semester.
So you can tell that he's an

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older character that's being
forced into being a junior.

447
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,440
And I think just that one little
addition, if it even was an

448
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,120
addition, perfectly explains why
this guy looks like he's 20 and

449
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,880
not 15.
I think he pulls off like 1718

450
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,240
year old kid.
I think so too.

451
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:02,880
I think so, too.
Yeah.

452
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800
He's really, really good, man.
And I think part of what makes

453
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,600
his performance so good.
There's a shot near the end of

454
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,040
the movie, and again, we're in
full spoiler territory.

455
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,360
He goes to Boston because he
secretly wants to see his dad,

456
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,720
and he doesn't tell Giamatti.
And so he tries to sneak away to

457
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200
go see his dad.
Giamatti finds out and tags

458
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000
along.
And the whole movie, he's been

459
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,880
telling people my dad is dead.
And it turns out his dad has

460
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,680
actually been committed.
He's in a sanitarium and he we

461
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160
have a moment where he actually
goes and sees his dad on

462
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,160
Christmas.
And he does this thing where

463
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
like he turns into a little boy
in front of his dad.

464
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,440
And he's talking about how good
he's doing in school and what

465
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,400
sports he's playing and how,
how, how much fun he's having.

466
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,480
And his dad reaches over and
grabs his hands and you think

467
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,800
you're going to get this great
moment.

468
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,000
And it's another rug pull where
you can tell the dad is like

469
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600
truly lost his mind because he
says something like, I think

470
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,000
they're putting something in my
food.

471
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,680
And that's it.
That's all you get.

472
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,800
And then you get the reaction
shot of Cessa immediate cut to

473
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,040
they're all at dinner together
afterwards and Cessa's talking

474
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,000
about how his dad got committed.
And it is done in one unbroken

475
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,920
shot that just kind of pulls
back slowly for about two

476
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,160
minutes.
The first couple times I saw

477
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,360
this movie, I was like, man, I
wish Alexander Payne hadn't done

478
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:24,320
that because it takes a lot of
command on screen to be able to

479
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,680
hold a shot for two minutes.
And I could tell at times that

480
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,640
Cessa was a little bit raw and a
little bit new to this.

481
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,920
You're watching his Adam's apple
bounce up and down when he's

482
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,200
trying to play suppressing
emotion.

483
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,880
But I actually think the rawness
of his acting chops is what

484
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,080
makes this character so good.
And it keeps everybody else's

485
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,520
performance kind of grounded,
too.

486
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Nobody feels like they're in a
different movie here.

487
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,560
And I think kind of quietly,
Cessa bringing this untrained

488
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,080
energy to the movie helps
everybody else around him.

489
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,240
I think one of the other things
that really helped that scene is

490
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,960
the sound design.
Like if you want a master class

491
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,800
in how you can help a scene feel
like you're underwater a little

492
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,400
bit and like this is a highly
emotional moment, just watch the

493
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,480
scene Bob just referenced when
he's giving his little monologue

494
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,240
about how his dad got committed.
Because they they build it so

495
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720
that the camera is shoved up
into his face.

496
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,000
You can see like vaguely in the
background that he's at a

497
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,840
restaurant, but there's no noise
other than his voice.

498
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:38,080
And then they slowly fade in the
crowd noise of the restaurant as

499
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,240
the camera pulls away and you
realize Giamatti is sitting

500
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,800
there.
And it like it is such a well

501
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,600
imagined scene to help focus the
attention on what needs to be

502
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,440
happening, which is the
emotional performance of Cessa.

503
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,400
Now, I I think that Dominic
Cessa as an actor, the two

504
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,800
things he does well in this
movie are sullen and sad.

505
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Like he nails those like when
he's, I don't remember when it

506
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,040
is at some point he is sitting
in the back seat of a car, like

507
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,120
looking angrily out the window
and he just looks like a sullen

508
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,840
teenager.
And it's absolutely perfect.

509
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,440
And the moments where he
portrays sadness, he's

510
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880
incredible as well.
I, I think my, MY1 struggle with

511
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,120
the acting throughout this movie
and the first time I saw it, I

512
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,560
pinned it all on Cessa.
And actually this time through I

513
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,400
noticed it with all of the
actor.

514
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,480
Well, the main 3 actors,
Giamatti, we haven't talked

515
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,440
about it yet, Divine Joy,
Randolph and Dominic Cessa.

516
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,840
I think all three of them do
this.

517
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,360
They all kind of have run on
sentences at some points.

518
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,760
Like, they all have moments
where it's like, man, they, they

519
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,880
needed a little pause in the way
they were speaking.

520
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,560
They, they needed to not just
get this whole line out as fast

521
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,120
as possible.
I think that Cessa does it and I

522
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,480
don't mind it as much because he
is such a raw actor.

523
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,440
It's the one or two times that
Giamatti and Randolph do it that

524
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,240
it frustrates me because I'm
like, like, like all you needed

525
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,600
was a tiny little pause and this
would have been perfect.

526
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,960
We we are about to review Dune 2
next week, but we had to get our

527
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,840
scheduling out of order, so I'll
reference Dune 2 here.

528
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520
You'll you might hear me talk
about it next week as well. 2-2

529
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120
weeks but like next week is
cruise miss man.

530
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Oh, next week is cruise miss two
weeks from now.

531
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Man, we're like really getting
ahead on our.

532
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Recordings, Bob.
First it's cruise miss and then

533
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,400
it's happy Doon year.
Happy Doon year dude.

534
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,440
I like that Christopher Walken,
famous actor, great actor, has

535
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,960
the exact same problem.
He has like a few like run on

536
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440
sentences where he just keeps
talking and should have just had

537
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,880
a nice little pause.
Interesting.

538
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440
I wonder if that's more of an
issue with the performances or

539
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840
with the take that was chosen by
the director.

540
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,960
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

541
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,880
And that's and that's why this
time through I think I'm

542
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,760
penalizing Cecil Les because I
noticed it in other characters,

543
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,440
which makes me think it's more
of a director thing than a

544
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,200
individual actor.
For sure, and I'm kind of with

545
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,600
you too, on he does sullen and
sad really well.

546
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,880
The moments of his performance
that don't work for me are the

547
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,640
moments in the movie that don't
work as well for me.

548
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120
And it's when they're going for
intentionally really broad

549
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,880
comedy.
Like the scene where he's making

550
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440
Giamatti chase him through the
halls and just haunting him like

551
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,520
a Looney Tunes character.
It's funny and even like the cut

552
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,000
to Giamatti's reaction after he
falls and starts screaming.

553
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Like it's a great little moment.
But it's not even that it feels

554
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920
out of place in this movie.
It just feels a little too broad

555
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,280
at times.
And I think what Sessa's really

556
00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:00,000
good at is playing childlike at
moments, and he's not as good at

557
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,400
playing childish.
Like when he's being

558
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440
antagonistic to Giamatti, it's a
little much.

559
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,280
He's a little too snarky, but
there's a great moment late in

560
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
the movie when they go into
Boston and he is like ice

561
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,480
skating and Giamatti is just
watching him skate and he he

562
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440
just waves at him like a kid
waving to his dad.

563
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,040
And it's really clear at that
moment.

564
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,200
Like this is his surrogate
father in this moment.

565
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,360
And Cessa absolutely nails the
really hard to do child likeness

566
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,520
of a kid who is still not grown
up and really needs a parental

567
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480
figure.
And I think that it it's

568
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,920
actually harder to pull that
off.

569
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,120
But the childish moments are the
ones that I didn't think were as

570
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,800
good.
And I think that's why this

571
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,600
movie is successful.
Like the the need of Cessa to

572
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,040
have a dad who cares about him
when he's being a little shit

573
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320
like that.
Like, those are the moments that

574
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,360
make this movie so beautiful.
Because I think what this movie

575
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,000
captures on the whole is the
desperate need for every single

576
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,720
teenager to have an adult who's
willing to have honest

577
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,720
conversations with them.
You know what, when they're in

578
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,520
the when they're in the liquor
store after they run into his

579
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,280
old Harvard acquaintance and,
you know, Giamatti lies to him

580
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,320
about what he's doing.
And, and Angus is calling him

581
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,200
out on it.
Like that conversation, the

582
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,400
rawness of saying, like, yeah,
this is what happened in my

583
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
life, and this has been the
result of it.

584
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,720
Like, those are the things that
teenagers desperately need in

585
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480
life.
And this movie highlights the

586
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,680
beauty of what can happen when
those conversations take place.

587
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Well, and I think that's a great
segue to quickly talk about

588
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Divine Joy Randolph.
In this movie, she wins the

589
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Academy Award for Best
Supporting Actress.

590
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,960
I think it's really well
deserved.

591
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,520
She does.
She is the epitome of a

592
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,600
supporting character in this
movie and I think that's what

593
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
makes the character great.
If she was in the movie more

594
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,520
honestly it would become her
movie because she has the most

595
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
kind of immediately compelling
character arc.

596
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Or not even character arc but
character story.

597
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Like you know 5 minutes into the
movie what her character is all

598
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,680
about where the other two it
takes some slow reveals to show

599
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
what their characters are.
So I think they use her

600
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,040
perfectly in the film.
And to your point about Dominic

601
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,400
Sassa's character needing that
parental figure, that's why her

602
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,680
character playing in that that
interplay between her character

603
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,640
and the other two is so well
done.

604
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,320
It's not just that she's a third
wheel thrown into this dynamic,

605
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440
it's that she's the only one
that actually understands how to

606
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,760
care for and talk to a young
man.

607
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,760
And she has no outlet for that
because her son has been taken

608
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
from her.
And and so much of the movie,

609
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,600
you can tell that it's her grief
that's keeping her at distance

610
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560
from Tully.
But after the Christmas party,

611
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
she kind of starts to really let
him in.

612
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,840
And it's the moment where Tully
is sitting outside the

613
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240
headmaster's office while
Giamatti is covering for him and

614
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,120
getting fired because of it,
that she sits down and takes his

615
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
hand.
And it's just the way she puts

616
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,040
her hand out and totally looks
at it.

617
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,120
And it's a great moment from
Dominic Sessa, too, where he

618
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,000
kind of looks at it and is like,
oh, I guess I take her hand now.

619
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,360
Like, like, I have to.
And as he takes it, there's that

620
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,639
like, relief in his body.
Like, an adult cares about me.

621
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,679
And they're not going to make me
talk about anything.

622
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,639
They're not going to force me
into something I don't want to

623
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,440
do.
They just want to love me.

624
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,400
Yeah, man, it's, it's just a
great performance.

625
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,320
I'm thinking about the moment
when they're leaving the

626
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,880
Christmas party after she's even
had her meltdown and Giamatti

627
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
kind of snaps at Dominic Sessa
and says like, nobody wants you

628
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,760
around anyway, you know?
And he walks away and she's

629
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,600
like, what the hell is wrong
with you, man?

630
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Like, you don't tell a kid who's
been abandoned on Christmas that

631
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,560
nobody wants him around.
And it's just those little

632
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,840
moments where she's the voice of
reason for Giamatti that

633
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,360
ultimately strengthen that core
relationship.

634
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,160
I Brad.
It's a perfectly structured

635
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,680
script.
They're perfectly written

636
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,720
characters.
Let's hope that our whiskey for

637
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,600
the Day holds up to the effusive
praise we've been giving this

638
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600
movie.
Let's go check out some

639
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:29,560
snowflakes.
All right, everybody, today we

640
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,520
are checking out Stranahan's
Snowflake.

641
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Now, this is a whiskey that
comes out of the Stranahan

642
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:42,240
distillery in Colorado.
They have released 26 iterations

643
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,280
of this whiskey.
They used to do it twice a year,

644
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,680
once on Father's Day, once for,
you know, the Christmas season.

645
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,800
It got to be too big of a
production schedule, so they've

646
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,800
chopped it down to just once a
year at Christmas time.

647
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,960
And you know, the way they talk
about it is this.

648
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,040
There's a specific blend that
they build every single year

649
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,880
that's different and varied and
nuanced, and it makes it a

650
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,440
snowflake.
I like it.

651
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,680
And they name it after every
iteration.

652
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,080
They name it after one of the
14,000 foot mountains peaks in

653
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Colorado.
Oh, I like that.

654
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,800
What's this one named after?
I don't remember Boo.

655
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,800
All right.
Hey, I remembered all of that

656
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,400
other.
Stuff that was pretty good, man,

657
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
that was pretty.
Good Yukon, Yukon gold, maybe

658
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,320
all.
Right.

659
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,800
We'll go with that.
So we are drinking the 2023

660
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,080
release now. 2024 has just been
released.

661
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,600
We haven't got our hands on that
one yet.

662
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,640
We had 2023 waiting for review.
So we're going to go ahead and

663
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,040
give a review of last year's
version because I think that it

664
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,920
will give you a good indication
of what we think of the label

665
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,920
overall.
Again, because these are

666
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,280
precious and delicate
snowflakes, they are very unique

667
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,800
from year to year.
So this is.

668
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,720
One go ahead.
And this one is called Pyramids

669
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,960
Peak.
There it is, not Yukon Gold.

670
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Close though I must.
Have been thinking about the

671
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,000
potatoes.
So this 2023 release is an 8

672
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,240
year old single malt and it has
been finished in all of the

673
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:18,240
following kinds of casks, Carca,
Velos, Soterne, Brandy, peated

674
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:24,160
Scotch, rum, and Applejack.
So we have a crazy blend of

675
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,920
different finished single malts
here.

676
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,920
Brad, I am super excited to try
this.

677
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,560
I've never had this label
before.

678
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,640
I'm pouring it out right now.
Why don't you give us your

679
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,840
nosing notes?
This is a really fascinating

680
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,120
nose Bob.
There are baking spices, there's

681
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,480
really strong cherry notes, it's
floral, there's dusty leather

682
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,760
and it has a little bit of a
note I don't normally like, but

683
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,520
I don't mind it here.
It has some anise, really strong

684
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,160
here on the nose.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

685
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,280
10.
I like this a lot, man.

686
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,320
The very first note that hit me
even before the malt was like a

687
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,720
hard cider, like it's really
bright, kind of tart apple.

688
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
And then I get a little bit of
the underlying malt and then I

689
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,000
start getting pretty much in
order.

690
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,480
What you mentioned, Brad, the
leather note is really, really

691
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680
strong on this.
There is a bit of cherry.

692
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,800
I think that apple note
overrides the rest of the fruit

693
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,960
notes a little bit.
Yeah, I get a little bit of

694
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120
anise on this, but I think for
me it's more just malt with

695
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,440
leather, and that's kind of
replicating that licorice smell.

696
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,360
I think I'd like this a little
bit better than you.

697
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,960
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2 on
the nose.

698
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Yeah, and the palate is it dives
into cinnamon.

699
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,440
There is cinnamon.
It's leathery.

700
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,520
It turns into like a dried
cherry.

701
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,800
I got like a little bit of like
a pumpernickel bread kind of

702
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,080
vibe off of it.
Really, really tasty palette.

703
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,320
I, I am so impressed with what
Stranahan's has done here.

704
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,320
I'm going to come up a little
bit.

705
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,840
I'm at an 8 1/2 out of 10 on the
palette.

706
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,640
This does have that note that I
only ever describe on Kraft

707
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,840
American Whiskey on the back
where it's like that really

708
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,800
strong, woody, vegetal note.
And again, it's just a me thing,

709
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,480
right?
But this has the craft whiskey

710
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,400
taste to it on the back.
So I'm going to factor that into

711
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,080
my palate score here because I
don't like that note.

712
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,440
But apart from that, it's really
well done, man.

713
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,960
There's tons of leather.
You're right that cinnamon is

714
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,040
predominant here.
I do get a little bit of clove

715
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,080
on this as well.
It's less sweet than I would

716
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,240
like it to be, but I think I was
a little bit teased by the

717
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,240
finishes on the nose and kind of
forgot like do this as a single

718
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:39,440
malt.
Like, it's not going to be

719
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,040
syrupy sweet.
So what I'm essentially

720
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,560
confessing to here, Brad, is my
expectations for this.

721
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,480
We're not what it is.
And I don't think it's the fault

722
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
of the whiskey so much as it's
the fault of me.

723
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,760
I'm going to come down to it.
Usually is your fault.

724
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Bob, this is true.
I've been told this by many

725
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,280
people.
So I'm going to come down to

726
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,480
just a 7 1/2 on the pallet.
But as I sip a couple more times

727
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,280
I it might rebound a little bit
in the later categories.

728
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,520
I think that the finish is
beautiful and nice and like,

729
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,640
there's nothing specific about
it that makes it incredible.

730
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
It is okie.
There's cherries, the cinnamon

731
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,360
sticks around, there's some
black pepper for being finished

732
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,440
partially in a peated Scotch.
I was hoping to eventually get a

733
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,960
little bit of that smokiness.
I don't think I did.

734
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,280
I'll give it an 8 out of 10 here
though.

735
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,200
I like There is a lot to like
here on the finish.

736
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,840
I do wish that this tasted a
little bit more well, aged 8

737
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,240
years.
I mean, eight years is a long

738
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,920
time, but you know, we've had
scotches from from Scotland

739
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
obviously that are like 20-30
years old now.

740
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,120
And there's just such a maturity
when you let it go a little bit

741
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,240
longer.
This still tastes just a tad

742
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,240
young to me and it because it
has that craft American finish

743
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,960
on it.
However, second sip of this

744
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,920
cinnamon bomb and kind of like
standard child's apple juice,

745
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
there's a lot of that on here.
It is a little bit sweeter than

746
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,240
I gave it credit for last time,
and that apple juice flavor

747
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,440
really carried over into the
finish, which bumped that score

748
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,480
up for me.
I'm going to be at an 8 out of

749
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,640
10 on the finish.
I think balance wise we're at an

750
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,240
8 1/2 here like that.
There is a little bit of

751
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,760
complexity that helps it bump
the score up and everything

752
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,440
works together, like the nose
leads you into the palate.

753
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,680
There's a little bit of a
surprise with how prominent the

754
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,240
cinnamon is, but not in a way
that takes away it's, it's more

755
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,200
of just like a wow, I, I knew
there's some baking spices, but

756
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,120
boy, that's some cinnamon.
Incredible balance on this

757
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,920
whiskey, Bob.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

758
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,440
10.
Again, I think that this is a

759
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,920
whiskey that I respect more than
I actually enjoy, but they've

760
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,800
done so much here with the
finishing and especially like an

761
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000
8 year single malt.
There were not a lot of places

762
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,840
doing American single malt 8
years ago.

763
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,080
So I can complain about how it's
not old enough, but like there

764
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,960
really isn't a lot of, you know,
double digit aged American

765
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,440
single malt laying around out
there.

766
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,680
So I'm going to give it an 8 out
of 10 on balance, on value.

767
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,920
This is where I'm really
curious, Brad, because I'm

768
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,480
seeing it priced all over the
place.

769
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,080
I believe MSRP is around $120 on
this.

770
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,400
What are you seeing?
Yes, OK.

771
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Yeah, they sell it at the
distillery for $120.00.

772
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,160
There are only 2000 bottles of
this release.

773
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,200
So it's, it's not like a tiny,
you know, 200 bottle release,

774
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,520
but also like it's a snowflake.
There's 2000 bottles and then

775
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,360
it's never around again so.
I think I'm going to give it a 7

776
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,200
out of 10 on value.
I personally do not like this

777
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,720
enough to spend $120 on it.
However, if we're following the

778
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,520
like $10 per year rule, that
would put you at like 80 and

779
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,240
then all of the different things
they're finishing this in.

780
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,720
There's a ton of Labor and craft
going into this whiskey.

781
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,840
I don't think it is overpriced
at 120.

782
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,280
Given the amount of Labor that
they're putting into it now, I

783
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,480
don't personally think I would
pay 120 for it.

784
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,440
That doesn't mean it's unfairly
priced, so I'll give it a 7.

785
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,880
I'm at a 7 out of 10 too.
Like I think this is really

786
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
tasty.
There's a lot going on.

787
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,760
I, I, I think at 120 bucks, if
this was like $90.00, it'd be

788
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,440
like a nine and a half on value.
I like, I, I think this is

789
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,280
really great under triple
digits.

790
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,760
I think it's pretty solid at 120
Bob.

791
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,160
I am coming out to a 40 out of
50.

792
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,280
Yeah, I feel like my comments
sounded more negative than

793
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,240
yours, but I'm literally one
point below you.

794
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,760
I'm at a 39 out of 50, so we're
coming out to an average of a

795
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,240
39.5 or a 79 out of 100, which
is actually a pretty high score

796
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,200
here on film and whiskey.
If you get over a 35 out of 50,

797
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,280
we typically start recommending
that you try or buy a bottle.

798
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,960
If you reach 40 out of 50, it's
kind of a no brainer

799
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,440
recommendation.
So I think this is a definite

800
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,680
thumbs up for me as try it at
the bar and if you like it, I

801
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,840
certainly would never say that
it's overpriced.

802
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,280
So it's a good value as well.
Yeah, I, I think it's worth

803
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,440
getting a bottle if you can get
one.

804
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,040
I know that you have to be in
Denver and around the time of

805
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
their yearly release and you
have to go to the distillery and

806
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,000
it's a whole big party and an
incredible event.

807
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Bob, it looks like they do all
sorts of really fun events

808
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,120
around Christmas time at the
distillery.

809
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,640
They have concerts and, you
know, tastings and all sorts of

810
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,880
things set up.
So if you are ever in the Denver

811
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,560
area around the holidays, I have
to recommend go check out

812
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Stranahan's.
All right, man.

813
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,360
Pretty positive review for a
movie that we also have a very

814
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,640
positive review of.
What do you say we get back into

815
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,200
talking about the holdovers?
Let's get to it.

816
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,840
All right, everybody.
That was Stranahan's Snowflake

817
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,280
2023 edition.
A whiskey that is unique, it is

818
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,520
individualized, and it is
awesome.

819
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,000
All of which could be said about
our game. 2 facts and a

820
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,240
falsehood, Brad.
Is going to try to stump your

821
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,640
ball to our right and what is
wrong?

822
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,760
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

823
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,640
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

824
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,440
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie, and I

825
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,960
have to determine which one that
is Brad.

826
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,120
I'm currently sitting at 7:00
and 3:00 on the season with a

827
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,160
chance to redeem myself here a
little bit.

828
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,840
I've let it, I've, I've just
kind of let it slip a little bit

829
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,160
lately and that's on me, man.
Yeah, it it is on you, as are

830
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480
most things.
That's the second time you've

831
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,040
said that in like 5 minutes
dude.

832
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,840
What?
What?

833
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,920
What secrets are you hiding
about me right now have?

834
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
You ever heard of the Jihari
window?

835
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,480
Bob all.
Right.

836
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,640
Let's, let's pivot, Brad.
Let's get into.

837
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,360
Let's get into two facts and a
falsehood.

838
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,880
Fact #1 Many of the scenes were
filmed at Fair Haven High School

839
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,080
in Fair Haven, Massachusetts in
February of 2022 during the

840
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,640
school's February break.
At this time, the area received

841
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,840
a snowstorm, much to the delight
of the film crew.

842
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Since many of the scenes took
place during a snowstorm, they

843
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,120
took full advantage of the
weather and the snow you see in

844
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,360
the film was from an actual live
snowstorm.

845
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,280
Fact #2 All the costumes for the
film were carefully sourced from

846
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,840
local thrift shops and vintage
stores, ensuring the

847
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,240
authenticity and period
appropriate detail.

848
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,720
One standout piece was a tie
that Giamatti wore that was

849
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:57,080
dated back to the 1940s,
discovered in a small antique

850
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,560
shop in the New England region.
The costume department spent

851
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,600
weeks meticulously curating the
wardrobe to reflect the era's

852
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,520
style.
Fact #3 Paul Giamatti took

853
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,160
credit for getting Dominic Sessa
cast as Angus, advocating

854
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
strongly for the newcomer.
After director Alexander Payne

855
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,040
expressed reluctance due to
Sessa's lack of acting

856
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,160
experience, Giamatti insisted he
be given another audition, and

857
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,880
his persistence paid off as
Sessa's raw talent won over the

858
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,920
entire production crew.
These are very good.

859
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,440
I have no idea man #1 sounds
very plausible.

860
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Snowstorm snow is a huge factor
in this film.

861
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,400
I'm going to say that I'm pretty
immediately drawn to three as a

862
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,040
potential falsehood.
Not because that may not have

863
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,280
happened, but because you
started it with the phrase.

864
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Paul Giamatti took credit for
Dominic Sessa getting cast and

865
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,960
Giamatti for being a a very
seasoned actor.

866
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,240
And I'm sure having a lot of
power on set doesn't strike me

867
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,560
as the kind of guy who would
publicly take credit for

868
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,200
something like that, even if he
is responsible.

869
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,280
So because I have no idea about
the other two being potentially

870
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,600
true or false, I'm just going to
make this a very short 2 facts

871
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,400
and a falsehood here.
I'm going to say 3 is the

872
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,280
falsehood, Brad.
Bob, I I've not been able to say

873
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,920
this many times this season, but
you are 100% wrong.

874
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,080
That is a.
Fact.

875
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,480
Wow.
Wow, what a jerk.

876
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,440
Paul Giamatti taking credit.
I don't, I don't know if taking

877
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,640
credit is actually a jerk move.
I mean, you know, I did credit

878
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,640
where credit's due.
I did it all right.

879
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:45,720
What was the falsehood, Brad?
The falsehood was #2 ties and

880
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:47,880
costumes.
It was way too vague.

881
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:54,360
I had about 5 minutes to write
the falsehood, and yeah, it was

882
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,680
very vague.
You know, there's a tie.

883
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,640
A tie from the 1940s.
Who knows?

884
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,400
I'm on A2 game losing streak
man.

885
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:04,640
Yeah, life.
Life's tough.

886
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Life comes at you fast, Brad.
I'm going to be honest too.

887
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Part of the reason that I only
mentioned number one and #3 in

888
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,520
my deliberation is that I
completely forgot what number 2

889
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,160
was.
So not only did you succeed in

890
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,640
tricking me, you made it such a
boring falsehood that I didn't

891
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,560
even consider it.
Yeah, I that's the goal, man.

892
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,680
All.
All I want to do is win.

893
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,840
Yeah, at any cost, even being
boring.

894
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,800
All right, man, boring.
Let's continue talking about the

895
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,320
holdovers here.
Brett, is there anything you

896
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,360
want to mention about the film?
Because I have a couple

897
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,880
directions, we might go with the
last few minutes of our episode,

898
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,040
but anything you want to get out
there in the open about the

899
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,880
movie that you don't want to get
lost in the shuffle.

900
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,480
I want more of the janitor.
Like why don't we get more of

901
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440
the janitor?
Because every single time he is

902
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,720
on screen, he is charming and
funny and down to earth and I

903
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:02,440
want more of him in this movie.
Good, good.

904
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,320
Keep going.
Give me more.

905
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,240
That's it, that's all.
I just want more of him.

906
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Yeah, I liked him a lot.
He was really good.

907
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,920
I, I wish that we got even like
1 little reaction shot of him

908
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,120
being rejected by Divine Joy
Randolph and just having like

909
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,200
one more character that we feel
sympathy for at Sad Christmas,

910
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,080
You know what I mean?
Like, just as a way of showing,

911
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
like everybody's trying to get
through, Everybody's worthy of

912
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,040
sympathy.
And I felt like they had an

913
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,200
opportunity a couple times.
Just give him one close up.

914
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,120
Yeah, come on.
Don't let him get away

915
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,200
unscathed.
You can't just be happy.

916
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,000
Brad, I think that there are a
ton of movies that you could

917
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,400
kind of pair this up with for
Let's Make it a Double.

918
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,680
And this is not an official
segue into Let's Make It a

919
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Double, but I'm curious if you
saw some of the same influences

920
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,840
I did.
Alexander Payne obviously has

921
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,600
his own kind of style at this
point, but I thought that there

922
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,920
was a touch more kind of like
whimsy at the beginning of the

923
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,480
film in those opening scenes,
especially with the boys choir,

924
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,920
like soundtracking a lot of it.
And the particular style of

925
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,960
cinematography where they were
showing like the different

926
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,080
houses on campus and they were
always filmed straight on with

927
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,160
no angle, Like there was no
depth to them.

928
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,880
It was almost like a 2D kind of
thing.

929
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,880
And there was a ton of, at least
I thought Grand Budapest Hotel

930
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,880
in the first few minutes of the
movie there with that sort of

931
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,000
like whimsical boys choir and
almost kind of dollhouse look to

932
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,800
some of the buildings.
I'm wondering if you saw that or

933
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,800
what other movies you saw that
might have influenced this one.

934
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Oh man, I don't know if I want
to be.

935
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000
I don't know if I want to pair
this movie with this.

936
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,000
What?
What was Wes Anderson's first

937
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,120
movie?
Is it Rushmore?

938
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,760
Yeah.
It wasn't his first one, but

939
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,000
that was the earliest one that
we've done on the on the OK.

940
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,280
I kind of got some weird
Rushmore vibes from this, you

941
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,280
know what I mean?
Like, obviously it's a much

942
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,840
warmer movie than Rushmore.
Like Wes.

943
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,520
Wes is Wes.
Like, he he does what he's going

944
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,960
to do.
I think that the the boys choir

945
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,920
at the start, the shots of the
overall facility just kind of

946
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,400
reminded me of that.
But I'm not going to lie, man,

947
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,320
it's hard to get away from the
Dead Poets Society vibes.

948
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,040
Yeah, for sure.
Like a lot of this, the shots of

949
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:39,320
them running around, like in
uniform and exercising and I, I

950
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,120
don't know, there's just a lot
of Dead Poets Society in this

951
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,760
movie.
And I think that I say whimsy

952
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,160
because the shots of like the
boys running around and stuff,

953
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,880
it could tip into like quirky
and not Wes Anderson quirky.

954
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,960
But like when they were trying
to make all those quirky

955
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,400
comedies in like the mid 2000s,
like Juno.

956
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,360
I think that if if they tipped a
little farther, it would be more

957
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,800
like Juno than like a Wes
Anderson movie.

958
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,760
And so I definitely see
Rushmore.

959
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,400
I definitely see some Royal
Tenenbaums here.

960
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,120
I see some Grand Budapest Hotel.
But you're right, the kind of

961
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,440
classic dead poet Society of it
all is obviously an influence

962
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,640
here.
I think we should just go ahead

963
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,680
and get into Let's Make It a
Double Brad presented by

964
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Blackwood Distilling Company.
We're near the end of the

965
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,200
episode, so thanks listening to
the film and Whiskey show.

966
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,480
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

967
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,160
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

968
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,600
day.
Now let's make it a double.

969
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,680
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

970
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,680
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

971
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,320
feature.
Brad, I'm just going to take any

972
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,080
opportunity I can to plug the
movie Nebraska again, but that's

973
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,400
not going to be my Let's Make it
a double.

974
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,000
That would be too easy.
I'm going to plug another movie

975
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,560
that we're going to get to at
some point on this podcast

976
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,120
because it's a hangout Shaggy
movie that I love about young

977
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,360
people just doing stuff.
And it's a movie called Licorice

978
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Pizza.
I would love to watch Licorice

979
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Pizza and the holdovers
back-to-back.

980
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,160
That would make just a fantastic
Night of Bob book movie viewing.

981
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,000
That that is a great pick, Bob.
I, I think that all of Carrie's

982
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,920
complaints about the first half
of this movie are like the

983
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,000
entirety of Licorice Pizza.
Like it's just all sorts of

984
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,240
random scenes put together.
And I don't know if there's

985
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,400
character arcs for anyone, but
you're intrigued by who they are

986
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,320
by the end of the film.
That that's a great pick, man.

987
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,360
Thanks dude.
I am going to pair this up with

988
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,960
what I consider to be one of the
absolute best coming of age

989
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,240
hangout films where you have a
kid hanging out with his two

990
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,320
uncles and learning how to
become a man.

991
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,360
Bob, This is going with second
hand Lions.

992
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,120
Dude how good are coming of age
movies?

993
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,760
They're incredible.
It's just a formula that never

994
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,400
gets old.
Just just also Robert Duvall,

995
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Michael Caine, Hailey, Joel
Osmond.

996
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Yep.
Like you just, you can't go

997
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,960
wrong.
Well, and that's why this movie

998
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,360
works so well.
You know, I remember on Twitter

999
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,120
last year, and Twitter is a true
cesspool of negativity and

1000
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,880
cynicism and nihilism, which
drains the life out of me with

1001
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,840
every interaction.
But even on Twitter last year,

1002
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,760
this movie was a freaking hit.
And part of it was because I saw

1003
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,600
this mentioned many times, like
we needed a good sad Christmas

1004
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,360
movie where people are sad at
Christmas.

1005
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,080
And of course that's going to
appeal to film Twitter.

1006
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,320
Those people are miserable.
But there's something about it

1007
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,720
being a movie about sad people.
But placing it at Christmas,

1008
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:54,600
which is an inherently warm,
comforting time of year even

1009
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,720
though it's cold outside, and
making it a coming of age story

1010
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,160
means that despite the people
being sad, it is not a cynical

1011
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,320
film.
That is a deeply hopeful movie

1012
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,880
where even if you don't know
where you're going from here,

1013
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,960
you feel like things are going
to be OK.

1014
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,600
And honestly, like, that is that
is such a great Christmas

1015
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,560
message.
Like, I don't want to get too

1016
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,320
into the actual, you know,
religious story of Christmas,

1017
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,160
but like, the idea of Christmas
being a time where hope was born

1018
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,440
into a world that didn't have
any hope.

1019
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,760
And we don't know necessarily
what that means, but things are

1020
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,720
just going to be OK.
This is like a perfect

1021
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,000
demonstration of that Brad in a
movie that is trying very hard

1022
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,640
not to be a religious movie
given Giamatti's bent.

1023
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,480
You know what I mean?
Yep, Yeah.

1024
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:52,440
And the the impetus towards hope
bringing movement is so strong

1025
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,760
in this movie that like the
closer the relationships we

1026
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:02,160
have, the more well known we are
by others on an emotional level,

1027
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,720
the more likely it is we are to
do the right thing, to do good

1028
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:11,200
things in this world.
And when Giamatti does the, I

1029
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,680
mean technically the wrong
thing, he lies.

1030
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,760
But when he does the right thing
in caring for and protecting

1031
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Angus Tulley, it gets him fired,
which is what he needed all

1032
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,080
along.
Like it, it gives him the final

1033
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,960
impetus to finally go forth into
the world, to leave his

1034
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,040
childhood behind and like stake
a claim on the world at large.

1035
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:41,040
And I like what a great story to
tell at the Christmas time.

1036
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,480
Well, we need to get into final
scores, so let me say this,

1037
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,000
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1038
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1039
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,560
movie up with, you can always
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1040
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,000
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1041
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1042
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1043
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1044
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,560
than Blackwood.
It is like the perfect gifting

1045
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,880
whiskey Brad. 100% It is
delicious and sweet and has all

1046
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,840
sorts of complex flavors.
It will warm the cockles of your

1047
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,880
heart even if you don't drink it
on Christmas Day.

1048
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,480
Bob.
Yeah, 100%, dude.

1049
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,320
All right, let's get into final
scores.

1050
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,560
I'll make this quick and easy.
This is a 10 out of 10 movie,

1051
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Brad.
I've seen it 3 or 4 Times Now.

1052
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,920
It is Shaggy.
And it is.

1053
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,120
It isn't as tightly constructed
as some movies are, but you need

1054
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,560
to get on this movie's
wavelength.

1055
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,840
It has its own rhythm to it.
And once you enter that stream,

1056
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,440
you're just along for the ride.
And I think that the best movies

1057
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,000
do that.
We're going to talk about Past

1058
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,600
Lives, another movie from 2023,
later this season, which has

1059
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,200
become one of the best movies
I've ever seen in my life.

1060
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,960
And from day-to-day, I go back
and forth on my what's the best

1061
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,320
movie of 2023?
Is it Oppenheimer?

1062
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Is it The Holdovers?
Is it Past Lives?

1063
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,840
How lucky we are to have 3
movies as perfect as those three

1064
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,600
to debate, and The Holdovers is
definitely one of them.

1065
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,680
Brad.
I think this is this is going to

1066
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,600
make you angry, Bob.
I think this is a nine out of

1067
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,760
10.
That does make me angry.

1068
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,960
You're correct.
I knew it would I like the

1069
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,120
second time around, that this
movie had more of an emotional

1070
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,720
impact on me the first time
around.

1071
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,680
It wasn't.
The depth wasn't quite there as

1072
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,680
much the second time around.
Like this is an incredible film

1073
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,200
that has so many beautiful
moments.

1074
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,960
Some really great acting from
Giamatti, especially.

1075
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,040
I I think that one of the
reasons I want to rate this

1076
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,520
highly or even more highly than
a nine out of 10, which I I

1077
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,880
understand, Bob, I'm not blaming
you or putting you down for a 10

1078
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,560
out of 10 pick, which I I often
and want to do.

1079
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,360
I, I enjoy ridiculing your 10
out of 10s.

1080
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,400
This is I get it.
I totally understand how this

1081
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,240
works for you.
I think one of the reasons why

1082
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,800
we both rate this so highly.
Is because it is such a rare

1083
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,480
film like I, I think we used to
get more movies like this.

1084
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,560
And so, you know, maybe it's an
8 or an 8 1/2 normally, but

1085
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,920
because of the dearth of
heartwarming, coming of age,

1086
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:34,120
honest hangout films, I I do
think it deserves a higher score

1087
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,480
because we don't get those
anymore.

1088
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,000
So it's a nine out of 10 for me.
There's definitely some stuff

1089
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,720
that it could have been cut from
this film.

1090
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,040
It could have been like a sharp
hour and 55 minutes instead of

1091
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:51,120
two hours and 15 minutes.
But overall, The Holdovers is an

1092
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,760
incredible film that I'm
probably going to end up

1093
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,440
watching more than other 10 out
of 10 films I I've rated because

1094
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,280
I'm going to watch this at
Christmas time now, Bob.

1095
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,920
It's a great like it has entered
the rotation for me.

1096
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,720
I'm not saying like you gather
the family and watch this on

1097
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Christmas Eve every year.
I.

1098
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:15,040
Was going to say that the one
thing, the one thing that keeps

1099
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,720
us from being like a family
watch is that there is a lot of

1100
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,280
drinking and a lot of swearing
in this movie, Bob.

1101
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
And it is not devoid of boobs
either.

1102
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,040
There are, there is a picture.
There's printed boobs.

1103
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,160
Yeah.
There's.

1104
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,600
What is that boob section?
Boobs.

1105
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,640
An image.
An image of a boobs within an

1106
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,760
image.
Yeah, sure.

1107
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,800
Anyways, there are enough things
that make this movie real and

1108
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,640
honest that would also keep me
from showing it to my kids until

1109
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,880
they're like, I don't know,
14-16?

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,440
I I do think it's a perfect
December 17th movie, like you're

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01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,920
in the Christmas season, but
it's like, let's watch this the

1112
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,040
week before Christmas.
Honestly, what's?

1113
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,400
Your Christmas Eve movie, Bob.
I mean, I want to say Maverick,

1114
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,920
I want to say It's a Wonderful
Life, but my family won't watch

1115
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,680
that with me 'cause they're
small children and it's a two

1116
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,720
hour and 20 minute movie.
Dude I remember watching that

1117
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,440
movie when I was a kid.
I know I'm trying.

1118
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,600
I'm like, dude, I'm doing the
Lord's work out here.

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01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,680
I'm I'm doing yeoman's work.
I'm trying to get it done.

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,760
But all right, so it's a 9.5 out
of 10 from us, but we want to

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,640
know what you think of the
holdovers.

1122
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,280
You can find us on any of our
social media platforms,

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,400
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
TikTok, YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1124
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Or if you want to talk about the
movies, we are on our Discord

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01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,520
server every single day talking
to you guys, fans of the Film

1126
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,840
and Whiskey podcast.
So if you want to join the

1127
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,720
conversation, you can find a
link to our server at the end of

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,320
every single one of our show
notes.

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01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,960
As we said, we're taking the
week off next week from our

1130
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,720
regularly scheduled programming,
but we will be back with Cruise

1131
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,520
Miss and I think it's time to
reveal the film for the 2024

1132
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,360
Cruise Miss.
Brad, you want to do the honors?

1133
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,840
Bob, we are going to be
reviewing Mission Impossible

1134
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Fallout.
Yeah, we are.

1135
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,040
A perfect action movie question
mark.

1136
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,200
It's damn close if it's not
perfect dude.

1137
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,520
All I know is Henry Cavill
reloads his arms.

1138
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,560
He sure does.
It's incredible.

1139
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,080
The fact that they didn't add
like a like a rat click when he

1140
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,880
does that is the the
unacceptable.

1141
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,320
The biggest blown opportunity of
all time, dude.

1142
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,120
All right, join us next week for
Mission Impossible Fallout.

1143
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,600
And folks, we won't see you
until after Christmas.

1144
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,680
Have a Merry Christmas, have
happy holidays.

1145
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,840
We will see you on December 31st
for do New Year's Eve baby.

1146
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Oh, that.
What a great man.

1147
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,040
What a great title, Bob.
Until then, I'm Bob Book.

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01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,520
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.