The Help / Remus Repeal Reserve Bourbon (Batch VIII)

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In 2011, director Tate Taylor
and star Viola Davis gave the

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world a detailed look at the
hardships of working in the

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1960s South.
In 2024, Ross and Squibb gives

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us a whiskey that celebrates the
end of Prohibition.

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The film is the help.
The whiskey is Remus Repeal

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Reserve Batch 8.
We'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And it's Week 2 of season #9
folks, we are looking at modern

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classics this season.
And today we're here to talk

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about the 2011 film The Help.
This is a film that Brad, when

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we were originally looking
through the list of things that

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could be considered a modern
classic or considered for this

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season, I don't know if The Help
would have immediately sprung to

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mind, but it is a beloved movie.
It checked, I think, three of

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the four categories here.
It made $100 million at the US

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box office.
It was nominated for best

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picture and I believe it is
still in the IMDb top 250 at the

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time of recording.
So apparently this movie struck

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a chord that I forgot about.
Yeah, I remember hearing about

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this film.
It made some big waves when it

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came out.
I have seen it one time before

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this viewing Bob.
I think I've probably seen it

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like two or three times and then
I've seen clips come up on

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YouTube, you know, 100,000
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If you've only seen a movie two
or three times, isn't that the

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same as like, never having
watched it?

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It's like if a tree falls in the
woods.

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If Bob's only seen it three
times, is it even a real movie?

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Yeah, Is it even considered
film?

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I like this movie a lot, Brad.
I think this is going to be an

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interesting conversation today
because, you know, I've already

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said it.
I'm going to come out and say it

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again.
Good movie.

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The Help.
I don't know if it's like a top

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250 movie, and I certainly don't
know if I would say that it

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deserves to be in the 21st
century Canon, but there's a

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lot.
To discuss, would you say, Bob,

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that it needs a little?
Help.

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It needs the help.
Probably not, I feel like that

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would get me in the hot water
real quick.

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But.
I think there's plenty of

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opportunities to get in the hot
water today.

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There absolutely is, man.
So Brad, before we dive into the

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movie, you've said that you've
seen it one time before.

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Let's kind of compare contrast
to last week's movie

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Oppenheimer, which is not an
unflawed movie in itself or a

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flawless movie in itself, but it
feels like this kind of big

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monolithic juggernaut of a fight
me, bro, I'm the big movie of

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the century now.
And I feel like the help, it

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couldn't be more of a left turn
from what we experienced last

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week.
It almost seems like even though

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I'm sure we both like this
movie, it it feels like it's

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going to be fighting a bit of
more of an uphill battle to be

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considered a modern classic
here.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Like it in my mind, I see like

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Daniel Day Lewis and Killian
Murphy just like getting ready

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to Duke it out for for There
Will Be Blood and and

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Oppenheimer.
Actually, you know what I want

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to see?
I want to see Paul Thomas

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Anderson and Christopher Nolan
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I feel like Nolan has a little
more heft to him.

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Just just a little bit.
But but the hair is always so

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perfectly quaffed.
Maybe PTA can get more like down

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and dirty, you know?
Yeah, yeah, you never know, man.

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We'll see.
The Help is an interesting movie

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because there's, I feel like
there's just enough tropiness

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about this movie to like kind of
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I I found myself often
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myself, oh, it was on the edge
of being like really authentic,

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but it couldn't quite knock it
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It just can't help itself
sometimes.

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And that sounds like a pun, but
yes.

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But I'm serious like it, it is
going for like really deep,

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subtle emotional things.
And if it would just stop there,

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it would be great.
And I feel like every time it

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has the opportunity to strike a
real authentic chord, they

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always go one step further.
You know, it's like we've joked

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about New Girl sometimes and how
Winston is always never knows

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exactly how to prank people.
It's either too much or too

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little.
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kind of like it always goes that
one extra step that it doesn't

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need to go that tips it into, if
not cheesiness, then at least a

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little bit of a of a false
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I don't know.
Does that make sense?

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Yeah, 100%.
I I'm thinking of the scene when

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I don't remember what the
inciting incident is, but I

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remember a moment when all of
the maids in the neighborhood

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finally decide that they're
going to come help Emma Stone

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write her story.
Skeeter is her character's name,

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and the guy at the diner tells
tells Skeeter like, hey, you

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need to go to.
Abilene's house.

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Abilene's house.
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And she shows up and there's
like 30 women in the room and

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you're like, ah, yeah, they're
finally going to tell their

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story.
And then like three women go,

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we're ready to tell our story
now.

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And I'm.
And I'm like, we, we got that.

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Like the whole movie's been
building.

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Well, and not only that, but
they stand up 1 by 1 like I am

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Spartacus.
They stand up and they're like,

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I'm going to tell my story and
I'm going to tell my story.

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And then one of them goes, we
all are.

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And it's like, yeah, we gathered
that.

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You don't.
I have to.

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Say that I kind of figured that
out and I, I think that there's

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just a few moments like that
throughout the movie that that

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kind of the treat the audience
like they're dumb and it's just,

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it's, I don't know.
It's it's a little disappointing

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because I think that the message
of this film is absolutely

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incredible.
Oh yeah.

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So here's the thing about some
of the movies this season is

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that a lot of them are in a very
weird 8 1/2 out of 10 range for

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me, where it's like, I'd
probably give this 3 1/2 out of

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four stars, but it's there's
something that's not quite

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there.
And there's a number of reasons

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that a movie can hit like an 8/8
and 1/2 for me, and this is

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going to be the first example of
that.

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I don't need to tip my score a
little bit, but I think about a

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movie like Moneyball.
I've seen Moneyball like 20

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Times Now.
And every single time I watch

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it, at no point in that movie do
I feel like this is a 10 out of

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10 movie.
Like as I'm watching it, I'm

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like, this is the best an 8 1/2
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And it does 8 1/2 across the
board the whole movie to a point

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where you're like, is this, is
this a 10 out of 10 'cause it

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perfectly execute like it hits
its ceiling and then stays there

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the whole movie, but the
ceiling's an 8 1/2 and I.

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Feel like I just wanna know, do
you, do you ever think about the

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fact that you might be the
person in this whole world who

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has watched Moneyball the most?
Well, first of all, that's

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that's not even remotely close
to the person that's watched

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Moneyball.
Dude 20 times moneyball is like

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I saw it once.
I'll watch it one more time in

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my life and be happy.
All right, Let's say that I

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let's say that I watched it 10
or 15 times that whatever makes

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me be able to finish making my
point without you interjecting

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is the number of times I've seen
the movie now.

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So I just wanted to say this is
a different kind of eight out of

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10 movie where I felt like the
1st 2/3 of this movie we're

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really firing on all cylinders.
And I was like, holy crap, have

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I forgotten how good the help
is?

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And then it takes a very
specific narrative turn.

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And I don't know if it was like
this for you, Brad, but the last

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third of the movie was kind of
like all downhill from there.

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And and this arrives at an 8 or
so for me because it fell so far

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from where it had established
itself before that.

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Would you say the turn was a
little bit poopy?

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I believe that would be the
technical term, yes.

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If I was writing my review for
the New York Times.

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I don't know, man.
Do you agree?

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Like, I think I texted you while
you were watching the movie and

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I hate when I do this to you
'cause I, I don't want to spoil

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your own opinion, but I was
like, here's what I here's what

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I got out of it.
The first 2/3 were good, the

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last third was not.
Do you agree with my assessment?

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I think that Viola Davis is
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She's so good.
And like, and when I say really

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good, I mean like better than
anyone else in this movie by a

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country model.
I think that Octavia Spencer and

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Emma Stone are both like solid,
like BB plus performances and

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everything else in the movie
just just kind of feels like a

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stereotype.
And, and so while none of this

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movie worked as well for me as I
think it did for you, I don't

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think any of it worked poorly
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I, I, I think it just always
felt like it was on the cusp of

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being something better.
And then they turn the camera

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away from Viola Davis and it it
wasn't nearly as good anymore.

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All right, well, we'll get into
talking about Viola Davis and

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the rest of the cast here in
just a moment, but in order to

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do that, we need to get to our
first segment of the day, which

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is called, Brad explains.
Brad's gonna give us the movie

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plots with only 60 seconds taken
on the clock, so let's go ahead

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and do your take with this
little segment that we call Brad

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explains.
Brad explains.

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Is the part of the show where we
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that we have just seen.
For Brad, it's often for the

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first time.
I think you've established now

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that this is your second time
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Has it been 14 years in the
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Did you see it like when it came
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No, I didn't.
I probably saw it in the last

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three or four years, I would
guess.

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All right.
Yeah, so, So it's a recent two

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viewings for me on the help.
All right, well then it should

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be pretty fresh in your memory.
Brad, you have 60 seconds to

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spoil this movie.
So folks, if you have not yet

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seen The Help, hit pause here.
Go watch the movie and then come

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back and join us for the rest of
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Brad, one minute and go.
Bryce Howard Dallas What?

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What's her name?
Bryce Dallas.

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She eats a poop pie.
Bob, She eats poop.

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She sure does.
Is that all we need to know

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about the movie?
I think.

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Should we just stop there?
I think that's the most

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important part of the movie.
Like that's what the movie tells

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us.
Honestly, that's the that's the

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climax of the film, yeah.
She eats a poop pie and I will

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say she nails the reaction of
somebody who just ate a poop

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pie.
They do a great job of like

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getting the chocolate stains on
her teeth while she's talking

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too.
Like it's, Yep, it's if you're

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going to eat poop, you know, you
might as well just make a show

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of it, like.
That and Sissy Spacek laughing

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at her bro it's freaking
priceless.

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Should we talk about the plot of
the movie or are we just not

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going to do that?
I mean if you want me to.

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Yeah, just give me the 32nd
version since we've talked about

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poop.
The Help is a film about an

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aspiring author named Skeeter
from Deep South Mississippi, and

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her goal is to record the story
of all of the black help who

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work in the upper crust of
Jackson, Ms. white women's

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homes.
Boom, OK, that's good enough.

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Let's move on because there's a
lot of directions we can go and

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I want to get as quickly as we
can into the cast of the movie.

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But I do think that it's worth
noting at some point in the

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episode.
And so let's just do it here and

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get it out of the way.
This movie received a little bit

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of retroactive push back in
terms of is this a quote UN

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quote white savior movie?
Is this a movie about how a

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white person comes into black
people's lives and makes

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everything better because this
white person is inherently more

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talented or well connected or
whatever, blah blah blah.

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I think that like this movie
definitely checks more boxes in

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the white savior catalogue than
a movie like Green Book did.

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And I feel like Green Book is
more punished than this movie

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is.
And perhaps, Brad, This is why

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the end of the movie gets me so
upset because it really does

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kind of tie such a neat bow on
everybody's character arc,

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especially Skeeter, in a way
that like we've we've witnessed

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people of color in this movie,
like experience violence

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multiple times.
And then they're just like, Nah,

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we'll be good.
You get out of here.

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It's like, wait, wait, hold on.
Is that is that really what's

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going to happen?
And I like, I don't mean to go

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too far down this really hot
button rabbit hole here, Brad,

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but we talked a lot about this
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And I'm just kind of wondering,
you and I both seem to like

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Green Book a lot more than the
general public does.

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So when that same accusation is
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you feel that it is more or less
justified here than it was with

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a movie like Green Book I?
Mean, I think Green Book

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somewhat levels the playing
field in that it places Viggo

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Mortensen's character beneath
Mahershala Ali's like in social

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status and talent and class,
right?

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Like like Mahershala Ali is a
part of the upper crust and Vigo

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Mortensen is a part of the
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And a a huge part of the movie
isn't about them being black and

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white.
It's actually just about them

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being rich and poor and like how
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I think that the issues that you
have here lie more with the

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filmmaking than the actual
message being sent.

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Because I'm not going to lie,
Bob, I don't really see this as

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a white savior narrative in any
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I mean, like, I don't know that
it's trying to be.

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I do think that like by the end
of the movie, like you have the

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black characters basically being
like, thank you, white person,

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for all you've done.
You know, like it.

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It definitely seems that way a
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But I'm with you in that I think
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filmmaking and the director
here.

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Tate Taylor, I can't remember,
and forgive me for not looking

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it up, if he was nominated for
best director, but my guy has

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been on a slide since The Help.
He is not directed a lot of a

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lot of high quality.
Films Ava didn't quite ring the

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same bell.
And then I think he directed the

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horror film MA, which also stars
Octavia Spencer, a truly God

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awful film.
So my guy's not been not been

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beating the allegations of being
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But this movie in particular, it
kind of reminds me of a

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conversation you and I had
recently about Forrest Gump and

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my issues with Forrest Gump
being that like it really

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succeeds in the interpersonal
small moments, but that it's so

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often felt like it doesn't trust
itself to only live in those

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moments, that it has to kind of
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And I think this movie does that
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Like every single scene where
it's just Viola Davis and Emma

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Stone or Viola Davis talking
about like the little things

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about her day that are just so
human and touching and like

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truly emotional.
But then you have to have a like

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a Comic Relief scene with
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And it just feels like there's
so much tonal whiplash happening

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in this movie.
I think that that that kind of

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plays into how the movie gets
interpreted by the end of it

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because it doesn't feel like
coherent, not even coherent, but

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it just doesn't feel like it has
like 1 tone or aesthetic it.

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It definitely wants to be subtle
in some moments and then

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unsubtle in others.
Yeah, and I think you see that

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with Jessica Chastain's
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foot.
I think it's just Celia, yeah.

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Celia yeah, yeah, yeah.
She like, she's doing her

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absolute best Marilyn Monroe
impression and and it's pretty

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good.
Like she like she's solid, but

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at the end of the day, every
scene that you have with her,

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it's it feels so over the top,
her performance that it, it

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almost makes a caricature of
almost everybody around her.

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And so, yeah, I'm with you, man.
The, the tone of the movie just

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goes up and down and up and down
and, and you kind of have the

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same story beat too many times.
Like an inciting incident

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happens and Abilene says, oh,
OK, I'll write your story.

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And and then an inciting
incident happens where a white

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woman is bad.
And Octavia Spencer's like, all

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right, I'll do it too.
And then, and then an inciting

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incident happens with another
bad white, a wealthy upper crust

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woman.
And, and now all the maids are

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are going to tell their story.
And, and it just kind of feels

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like a like there's no better
reason to do it by the end of

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the film.
And it feels like there could

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have been more depth and nuance
to how they brought the women in

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to to discuss their stories than
just using the same thing three

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times throughout the film.
I think this is a good place to

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get into talking about the cast,
and we've already mentioned

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pretty much everybody in the
cast, but specifically, you just

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mentioned Jessica Chastain.
I think that might be a good

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place to start because she's a
little bit lower in the list of

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supporting characters, but not
an unimportant character by any

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stretch.
And she's such an interesting

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figure to me in this movie
because she has what is on

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paper, the most cartoonish
character.

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And she definitely plays her as
like a ditzy Marilyn Monroe with

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a Southern accent.
And yet I feel like she's

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capable because she's such a
good actress of bringing so many

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more layers to the Celia Foot
character.

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You know, when she has her
miscarriage, that scene after

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that is just it's one of the
better scenes in the movie.

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And it's because Jessica
Chastain is so good.

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And my, my hot take here is that
Octavia Spencer, while a

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fantastic actress and really
good in other things, I think

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that her winning an Oscar for
this movie and nobody else

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winning an Oscar for this movie
is perhaps the most problematic

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thing about this movie.
Because she is, she's playing

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such a caricature of a real
person that it's like this is

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the one that we put our, we put
all of our actor eggs in this

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basket.
I think Jessica Chastain's

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better than her in this movie.
I like.

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And it's not to say she gives a
bad performance.

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She's just, she's just so hammy,
dude.

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Yeah, Yep, she's fine.
Like the the script just doesn't

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do her any favors.
Like, you know, she talks about

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like, oh, I, I never let my
chicken burn.

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And then later there's a shot.
Did you get it?

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Chicken burning.
Check.

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I believe that's called
Chekhov's Chicken.

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I think that's it's, yeah.
Chekhov's fried chicken, Yeah.

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Exactly.
Oh, man.

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Yeah.
So there's just stuff like that

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that hinders Octavia Spencer
and.

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And everybody else talks about
her like she's a caricature as

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well.
Like, like Viola Davis in her

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narration talks about her as if
it's, well, she just is the

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perfect cook and, oh, she's got
a fiery temper and.

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You know, you have, you have
little moments where she's

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telling her daughter to not be
sassy and then she's walking up

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and she's trying to tell herself
not to be sassy.

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And and it just her character
never quite reaches far enough

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or or moves beyond who she is
other than an epilogue where

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it's like that meal gave her the
strength to leave her husband.

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Which is like, OK, yeah, I don't
know, man.

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I will say, if there is one
person in the movie that I think

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is actively worse than Octavia
Spencer, it's probably Bryce

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Dallas Howard as Hilly.
Now, Hilly is the villain of the

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movie, and they established this
from the very beginning.

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And they make her more and more
cartoonish as the movie goes on.

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And Bryce Dallas Howard's
performance is just so scenery

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chewing that it it doesn't do
any favors to that either.

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But then the script doesn't help
either.

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And I feel like the direction
isn't helping.

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Every single time that she's on
screen, they're giving her

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something more cartoonishly evil
to do in a way that's like, it's

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over the top, but it's not fun.
It's not like fun evil.

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Do you know what I mean?
It's like, it's not like Jeremy

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Irons as Scar kind of a thing.
And she's not intimidating

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enough to truly be a great
villain.

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She just kind of gets under your
skin after a while.

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I'm thinking specifically,
there's like a moment in a scene

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where she's sitting across from
one of her minions in the and

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then Skeeter comes in and she
just like looks at the the girl

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sing across from her and like
motions her head over, like you

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need to scoot over because I'm
not scooting over.

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And that would be a cool touch
to give a character the first

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time you meet a character to
establish what she's like.

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But that's like an hour into the
movie and it just seems like

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every time she's on screen, the
film makers feel like we need to

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fill every second of her screen
time with her being cartoonishly

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villainous.
And I really feel like it

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actually undermines any
semblance of reality to the

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story.
Yeah, it's it's like they took

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Mean Girls and set it in the
racist South and like, like,

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that's all she's there to do is
to be the meanest girl of all

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the Mean Girls.
And it, it gives other actresses

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a opportunity to shine.
Like, I'm thinking about when

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she tells all of her friends to
hide because Jessica Chastain is

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there.
And dude, that moment where

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Chastain realizes what they're
doing?

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She's so good dude.
She's it's a it's an incredible

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moment.
But like, I'm with you, man,

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everything about Bryce Dallas
Howard is is just and and and I

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think that a few moments I
already mentioned the one when

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she eats the chocolate pie, like
I I think she nails it.

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That is the exact reaction
somebody should have.

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It should be the hammiest
reaction in the world because

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eating a crap pie should like
invoke that deep of a reaction.

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But everything else feels like
it belongs on a television show

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version of that character and
not in a, you know, blockbuster

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film.
In the corner from them, I do

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think that the two best
performances in the movie are

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also the two leads and that
that's why this movie overall

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succeeds.
Emma Stone was, I don't believe

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she had been Oscar nominated at
this point, but she had been

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Golden Globe nominated, I
believe for easy a a few years

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before this.
And she's really starting to

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kind of come into her own as a
leading lady actress.

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And this is like, if not her
first really big movie.

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I mean, they hung this movie on
Emma Stone's reputation.

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Like she sold this movie and I
think she's freaking fantastic

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in this movie.
The character, you know, it's a

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coming of age movie set in the
Deep South, which may or may not

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have undertones of like white
savior stuff.

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And you forget all about that
when you're watching Emma Stone

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be Emma Stone.
And I think what this movie does

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really, really well is, in
addition to watching her be an

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exposition dump sometimes or
navigate this world that she

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hasn't been used to 'cause she's
been away at college.

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The moment she really shines are
when she's sharing a moment,

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like with her mom at the end of
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Or when they do the flashback
and her maid, played by Cecily

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Tyson, comes out and sees her,
like, sitting on the swing

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talking about how, like, the
boys won't ask her to the dance

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and she's playing like, you
know, almost 10 years younger

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than she really is.
It's a really good performance,

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man.
And I think it really hints at

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where her career is going to go
in the following decade.

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And yeah, I don't know you.
You mentioned earlier that you

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thought she was kind of like ABB
minus.

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So I'd love to hear what didn't
work about it for you because

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for me, it was one of the best
performances in the movie.

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I.
I really liked Emma Stone.

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I I would put her right behind
Viola Davis.

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I'm not sure if there's anything
specific that didn't work.

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I just don't know if there was
anything specific that like drew

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it up to an A performance.
Like I, I think that her talent

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in this film and what speaks to
her growth, like you were just

445
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,200
saying, I think that she still
has a few of those like kind of

446
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,560
quiet, cute girl next door,
giggly moments that you get from

447
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,240
her earlier in her career where
she just has this charming

448
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,800
personality.
But the moments where she

449
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,200
realizes the horror of what is
facing a lot of these maids and

450
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,000
and help.
It's those moments where she

451
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,240
takes it seriously, where she
dives into the pain.

452
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,880
I think that's where Emma Stone
really shines here.

453
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560
And and I think it kind of
points towards the more serious

454
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080
actress that she is soon to
become.

455
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Also, this this is a complete
aside, but I, I, I think that

456
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,600
here on the film and whiskey
podcast, we've we've had a

457
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,040
history of admiring looks on
actors.

458
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,560
I'm thinking about bearded
Sylvester Stallone, right?

459
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,160
We've spoken extensively.
Curly haired Emma Stone best

460
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,760
best looking Emma Stone.
Oh, interesting.

461
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,320
See.
I really do think that one of

462
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,080
the best moments of the movie is
when she's been fighting with

463
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,520
her mom the whole movie.
And then she's going to go On

464
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,600
this date with a guy and her mom
orders this hair system for her

465
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,000
from New York.
And she's like, ah, come on,

466
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,640
mom.
And then she turns around and

467
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,080
her mom has done her hair and
she looks so good.

468
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,320
That and her reaction, she goes,
holy shit.

469
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,600
It's it's one of the best
moments in the whole movie

470
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000
'cause it's like, oh, OK, on the
stone.

471
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,560
I see you.
So I'm going to say no to curly

472
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,520
hair on the stone and yes to
post hair system Emma Stone even

473
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,880
once she arrives.
And her hair is just destroyed.

474
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,000
I'll take it, man.
No, I'm, I'm opposite man.

475
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
I, I think.
I mean, she's a very beautiful

476
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,600
woman with straight hair, but
curly hair to Emma Stone that

477
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,960
that's the that's the move.
Emma, this is the this is.

478
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,360
The time where we shift away
from this conversation and we go

479
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:27,400
to Viola Davis, who is
staggeringly good in this movie.

480
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,280
And I am like, retroactively
pissed off for her that she did

481
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,760
not win an Academy Award for
this movie throughout the movie.

482
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,280
And it's not just like, like,
there are times when when they

483
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,000
are clearly giving her like her
Oscari moment.

484
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,080
Let's see how much snot can come
out of your nose right now.

485
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,640
This is your moment.
And she does it.

486
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,600
You know, it's a great Oscar
moment.

487
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,880
But where she really wins me
over is is in doing the heavy

488
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,920
lifting throughout the movie.
Like she is the only thing

489
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,480
keeping this movie from tipping
into caricature at any given

490
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,280
moment.
She's the anchor of the entire

491
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000
film.
And it's just like, it's a, it's

492
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,840
an all timer of a performance,
dude.

493
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,080
And she loses to Meryl Streep.
And Meryl Streep gets the award

494
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,960
this year because she hadn't
been given an Oscar in such a

495
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,360
long time.
And Meryl Streep, that's

496
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,360
literally what it was.
It was just like a makeup award

497
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,520
for like, it's, it's not just
like.

498
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Here's the lifetime for Mero,
'cause she never got one, it's

499
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520
she just hasn't had one in a
while and and the Oscars can

500
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,040
only exist for so long without
Meryl Streep getting an Oscar

501
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,120
you know what if you.
Give Meryl Streep the Oscar for

502
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:37,360
The Devil Wears Prada.
Then we don't have this open up

503
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,240
a couple years later, and she
doesn't win the Oscar for that

504
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,000
stupid Margaret Thatcher movie,
which was not good.

505
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,360
And then Viola Davis can win the
Oscar.

506
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Like, this is how it's supposed
to be, man.

507
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160
And we just live in an unjust
world.

508
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,840
Yeah, You.
You.

509
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Should be the authoritarian
Academy Award decider.

510
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,440
I will take that.
Mantle on like, Are you sure you

511
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,240
want to give Eddie Redmayne this
award?

512
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480
Let's reconsider, guys.
Yeah, that's a good.

513
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,360
Question.
All right, so Viola.

514
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Yeah, let's talk about her,
dude.

515
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,440
The moment when?
She looks at Hilly and goes,

516
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,640
Aren't you tired?
I used.

517
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,520
I used.
That in a sermon one time and it

518
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,120
it brought the house down, man,
it's such.

519
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,400
A good line, incredible moment.
I I love the way that she

520
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360
interacts with her.
Not her child, but the child

521
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,840
that she cares for.
The way that they interact feels

522
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,600
so tender and kind and real.
Her reactions to things like

523
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,600
being given a bathroom outside
of the house and then being

524
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,240
told, well, isn't that nice?
Don't you just love your own

525
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,160
private bathroom?
And her reactions to that, the

526
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,160
deadpans that she gives, it
gives you everything you need to

527
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,800
know about what's actually
happening in this society and

528
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,360
where everybody else feels like
they need to overplay it in

529
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,240
order to sell the despicableness
of what's happening.

530
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:17,280
I think that her ability to
underplay and to bow to the

531
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,720
societal standards with a
coldness that shows how crushed

532
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:30,560
she is and how dark her life is.
Like that's what shows how evil

533
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,960
the system that was still going
on in this 50s and 60s in

534
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,640
Mississippi was.
I think one of the things that

535
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,400
if I'm going to give Tate Taylor
any credit here.

536
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,480
Some of my.
Favorite moments in this movie

537
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,160
are like anytime there's a bunch
of white ladies getting together

538
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040
for a function and they kind of
just show, like all the maids

539
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800
bringing in, you know, big pots
of whatever.

540
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,640
And they just kind of like, set
the camera down in the kitchen.

541
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,560
And you just watch them interact
with each other and talk shit

542
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,440
about the other, like the ladies
in the other room.

543
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240
And like, oh, she's been working
on that dress for four weeks and

544
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,320
that's what she came up with.
And they just kind of laugh

545
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,640
because it feels like you're
stealing a moment of their real

546
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,960
life.
Like they haven't seen each

547
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,400
other in a couple days.
They're talking crap.

548
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Like, you get to catch them
letting their guard down for two

549
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,480
seconds.
And those moments I think help

550
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,400
to prop up the big emotional
payoff scenes too.

551
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,560
Like this.
This isn't a movie that's only

552
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,520
interested in using its black
characters as conduits for like,

553
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
isn't racism bad?
It really does seem at its best,

554
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,440
like a peek into what life was
like and how awful the situation

555
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,720
was.
But that they're they're still

556
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520
leaving room for these
characters to resemble real

557
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,840
human beings.
And I do think that Viola Davis

558
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,720
and Octavia Spencer, when
they're just kind of shooting

559
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120
the breeze with each other, it's
some of the best moments in the

560
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,640
movie.
Yeah, it's.

561
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,360
The casualness that draws you
into the story.

562
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120
So much of this movie is like
hitting you over the head with

563
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Bryce Dallas Howard, hitting you
over the head with all of her

564
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280
minions that just do her
bidding.

565
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,720
Hitting you over the head with
Emma Stone.

566
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,360
Being like, this is actually
wrong and we shouldn't do it.

567
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,960
And then you have little moments
like that And I I think you have

568
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,040
some of those between Abilene
and Skeeter and and there are

569
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
places that work.
But you're right, man.

570
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,200
It's it's the nuanced elements
of this movie that work really

571
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,520
well and make you want to to
return to it, make you want to

572
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680
dive deeper into the story.
All right, man, I think.

573
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,360
We're in a good spot to hit
pause here.

574
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,800
What do you say we drink some
bourbon?

575
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Let's get to.
It.

576
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960
All right.
Today we are checking out Remus

577
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Repeal Reserve Batch 8.
This is a highly sought after

578
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680
bourbon or blend of bourbon
whiskeys coming to us from Ross

579
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160
and Squibb Distillery.
Now Brad, I'm going to put you

580
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560
on the spot here.
We just talked about Ross and

581
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Squibb couple weeks ago when we
were at the Kentucky Bourbon

582
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Festival.
Do you remember who I said Ross

583
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,680
and Squibb is?
I sure do.

584
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Robert, that would be MGPMGP.
Our favorite friends from

585
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Indiana, the mega conglomerate
distilling, you know, Axis of

586
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,200
evil if you talk to most bourbon
drinkers.

587
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,920
But guess what?
We love MGP here at Film and

588
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,080
whiskey.
They make good stuff.

589
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,560
I was going to say.
They make incredible whiskeys

590
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,920
that I never will turn down.
So I like, I love.

591
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,320
MGP dude.
Yeah, whether or.

592
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Not they make it in the most
like efficient, massive like if

593
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,400
you said a movie and on their
property, it'd be like a

594
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,360
dystopian science fiction film.
I don't care because it's really

595
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,000
good whiskey.
Yeah, also like who?

596
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Cares how it's made, bourbon
still has to age the same way.

597
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Like you could make it on
whatever scale you want, it

598
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,680
still has to sit in a barrel for
four years before it tastes

599
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,560
good.
You know what I mean?

600
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,040
So MGP a few years back launched
its own brand called Ross and

601
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,760
Squibb Distillery.
Basically they said, hey, we're

602
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,560
sourcing all this stuff to other
people.

603
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,600
What if we released it under our
own label?

604
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,920
So they're calling themselves
Ross and Squibb when they

605
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,840
release MGP exclusive products,
and this is one of them.

606
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Remus has become a really, like
I said, sought after bourbon.

607
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,480
This one is the Batch 8, which
just came out this year, 2024.

608
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,560
It is a blend of three bourbon
whiskeys, one of which is 17

609
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
years old.
The other two are 10 years old

610
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,679
and they are high rye bourbons.
The 17 and one of the 10 years

611
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,320
are 21% rye and the other 10
year is a 36% rye in the mash

612
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,400
bill.
I'm really excited to dive into

613
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,040
this, Brad.
I've had Remus before.

614
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
It's good stuff.
It clocks in at 101 proof.

615
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Is this your first exposure to
this brand?

616
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,720
I believe I have another sample
of this from a friend that I

617
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,760
have not drank yet, but I am
really excited because yeah, I

618
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,520
have heard wonderful things
about it.

619
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Now they also make.
One called the Remus Gatsby

620
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Reserve, which we also have a
sample of sitting somewhere in

621
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,440
our, you know, whiskey dungeons
that you and I both have now,

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,480
Bob Whiskey Dungeons.
Yeah, man, you know.

623
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,200
It's like right right next to
the GIMP I I was to.

624
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Say mine.
My basement is a well lit place

625
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,560
with no red lights or leather.
Well, I mean you.

626
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Do you, man?
Don't judge a man for what he

627
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,560
puts in his basement.
That's all I'm saying.

628
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560
I.
I am judging you.

629
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,400
Let's dive in, man.
What are you picking up on the

630
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,600
nose of this repeal reserve?
Oh dude.

631
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,000
This is a beautiful nose.
There is some maraschino cherry

632
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600
right up front, there's leather,
there's cinnamon, some black

633
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,000
pepper.
And I get kind of like a not a

634
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,440
full apple pie experience, but
like specifically just apple pie

635
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,960
filling.
That's really nice.

636
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,320
The thing I'm missing, I don't
actually really get any caramel

637
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000
notes on this.
No, and I'm actually surprised,

638
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,760
you know, I, I could have
immediately pegged that this was

639
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,200
a high rye bourbon because it
just kind of smells like rye,

640
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,880
like it smells like a very sweet
rye whiskey.

641
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,120
There are all of those super
spicy notes that we typically

642
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,760
get.
I don't get a lot of dill.

643
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920
I don't really get a lot of mint
on this either.

644
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,280
But it has that prickliness that
we either associate with a

645
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,280
really high proof or with a lot
of rye content in a mash bill.

646
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880
I'm with you though.
Every single nosing note that

647
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,360
you gave Brad is here.
The leather is here, that the

648
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,320
apple pie spices are here as
well.

649
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,400
It just seems a little bit.
I can't.

650
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,040
I can't tell if it's ethanol
forward or if the rye is just

651
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,400
jumping out of the glass.
I'm in an 8 out of 10 on the

652
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120
nose.
Oh, I'm a I'm.

653
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,400
A nine out of 10 on the nose Bob
and I think when I got into the

654
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,080
pallet it it just has all sorts
of really nice flavors going on

655
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,200
here.
The the first thing that I

656
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200
noticed as it coated my mouth
for the first time was like a

657
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,680
granulated sugar vibe.
The cherry comes through there.

658
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,720
There's almost like a little bit
of a fatty cashew kind of flavor

659
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,560
kicking around in there and I
and then I kind of moved into it

660
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,680
a second, third sip and it got
just a little bit minty To add

661
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,120
to all the rest of that.
This is a wonderful whiskey to

662
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,000
drink.
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2 on

663
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,520
the pallet fatty.
Cashew new band name, I'm taking

664
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,640
it.
How about Fatty and the cashews?

665
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,680
No, you've.
You've just ruined it.

666
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600
It has to be fatty cashew.
Listen, man, I think that the

667
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,120
last, I don't know, 7-8 weeks
our pallets have diverged from

668
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,280
each other again.
We were really in lock step with

669
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,200
each other at the end of last
season.

670
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
But I am I'm worlds apart from
you on this man.

671
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,000
I think this is just like all
the way over oaked for me that

672
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,680
17 year bourbon.
I don't it says it's only 9% of

673
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,760
the blend.
I'm telling you, man, like it

674
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,800
is, it's potent.
And this is, this is really

675
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
bitter for me.
It carries a lot of those bitter

676
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,040
toasted oak notes through it and
it overwhelms everything else

677
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,240
I'm getting.
I'm not saying like the notes

678
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:25,240
that you gave aren't there, but
from the tip of my tongue all

679
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,760
the way through the tasting
experience, it's a little bit

680
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,360
thin on the mouthfeel and
there's just a lot of oak and

681
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,480
it's it's not my thing.
I don't think it's a poorly made

682
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,720
whiskey by any stretch, but like
this, this is not my preferred

683
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,760
flavor wheelhouse.
I'm just going to give it a 6

684
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,960
1/2 on the taste.
Oh. 6 1/2 Yep, I.

685
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Stand by it.
This is.

686
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,680
This is delicious whiskey man 9
out of 10 on the finish.

687
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,520
There's leather, there's
tobacco, there's cherry syrup.

688
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,280
It it, it dives into some
peppery rye spicy notes.

689
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,720
I and the finish lasted so long.
I I could taste this like 15

690
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:09,480
minutes after I drank it.
Incredible finish and balance.

691
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,200
I dude, I'm, I'm like 9 1/2 out
of 10.

692
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,800
I, I think they knocked the
balance out of the park.

693
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,800
Well, listen man.
I'll, I'll give you the rest of

694
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,800
my sample because it sounds like
you're enjoying this a lot more

695
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,800
than I am.
I, I will say it came way back

696
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,920
up for me on the on the finish
because it had almost like a

697
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,960
weeded bourbon character to it
and you pinpointed it with that

698
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,560
cherry note.
It is more like a maraschino

699
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,840
cherry than it is like a Brandy
cherry or like a cocktail

700
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,320
cherry, and I like that.
It's really nice.

701
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,800
It's pleasant.
That bitter oak dissipates

702
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,240
pretty quickly on the finish and
you're left with the sweet notes

703
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,800
as well.
I'm going to give it an 8 on the

704
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,480
finish, but then balance.
I don't know if I can give it

705
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,000
anything but like a 6 1/2 again
because it was high and then

706
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,040
very low for me and then high
again.

707
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,840
I don't want to just average
those out and give it like a 7.

708
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,280
So I think I'm going to go 6 1/2
and then we get to the price

709
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,360
point.
Now this is sold in the state of

710
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,200
Ohio.
I believe it sells for $101.99.

711
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Is that what you found, Brad?
Yes.

712
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Would you pay a?
$102.00 for this, yes.

713
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200
All right, this is a really good
whiskey, Bob.

714
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,520
I I think that the complexity is
there.

715
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:25,360
You get a lot of richness to it
paired with the the rye notes

716
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520
and a little bit of the oakiness
from the aged bourbon.

717
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,320
I think this is an eight 8 1/2
out of 10 on value Bob.

718
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,960
Yeah, this is where I'm at a
weird point because I feel like

719
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,640
I'm in the Brad G position
today.

720
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,080
I think this is a fairly priced
blend for the for the price.

721
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Like when you're considering the
market for whiskey today, I

722
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
would not personally pay
anything approaching this price

723
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,160
for this whiskey.
So where does that leave me?

724
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,800
I think I'm going to give it.
I think I'll be at a 6 1/2

725
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,960
again, man.
Dude, we're going to.

726
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,800
Be so far apart on our final
scores.

727
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,440
Well, where are you at?
I'm at a. 44.5 out of 50 you're

728
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:14,400
at a what?
A 40. 4.56 point 5. 6.56 point 5

729
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,360
I'm at a 35.5 now listen like
here's how good this whiskey is.

730
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,200
I don't really like this whiskey
and it has still made its way to

731
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,760
the 35 mark, which is where we
recommend a whiskey.

732
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,880
Like if that doesn't tell you
that this is a well made

733
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,400
whiskey, I don't know what does
because I am on record saying

734
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,200
not for me and it's still a 35,
you know what I mean?

735
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Kind of I I I think you are
vastly underselling this

736
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,720
whiskey, Bob.
Like we why am I underselling

737
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:47,880
it?
I.

738
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,360
Literally just said it is good
in spite of myself and you're

739
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,040
like, no, not good enough for
me.

740
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,000
Yeah, I.
Like this whiskey is so well

741
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,200
made, so well blended.
I like I can't see anything

742
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,200
under like a 3940.
Like that's, that's just wild to

743
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,320
me.
I mean, I just don't like.

744
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,000
It and it's still got a good
score.

745
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,760
I feel like at what point do you
are you just asking too much?

746
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,040
What?
What do you want from me?

747
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,720
What am I supposed to say here
to have better?

748
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,720
Taste than whiskey.
We are coming out to an average

749
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,520
of a 40 out of 50 or an 80 out
of 100.

750
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,440
This I mean, this is a good
whiskey.

751
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,040
I I think it's a little bit
overpriced for what I would pay

752
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,400
for it.
It is probably going to be among

753
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Brad's highest rated whiskeys of
the season.

754
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,840
Yeah, this is.
An incredible pour.

755
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Absolutely go buy it.
If you have the money, get a

756
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,040
pour of it at the bar.
This is a really fun,

757
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,480
interesting experience.
All right, man.

758
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,880
Well.
We are incredibly divided today

759
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,600
and you seem like you are in the
mood to egg me on a little bit

760
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,240
more.
So what do you say we get back

761
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,480
into talking about the help I'm.
Ready, man, let's get to it.

762
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,800
All right, everybody.
That was George Remus Repeal

763
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Reserve batch #8A whiskey that
is Immaculate and needs no

764
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,840
further comments upon it because
of how perfect it is it sounded.

765
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,320
Like you were just making up
words as you were reading the

766
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,600
title of it.
George Remus repeal batch

767
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,000
sometimes.
Sometimes I start a sentence

768
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,560
that I'm not really sure where
it's going to end.

769
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,240
That's them naming this whiskey.
Yeah, sometimes I start naming

770
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,040
our whiskeys and I'm not really
sure where it's going to end.

771
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,480
All right, man, it's time.
Let's get to it. 2 facts and a

772
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,520
falsehood.
What do you say, Brad?

773
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,280
Is going to try to stump your
ball 2 All right and what is

774
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,600
wrong?
2 Facts and a falsehood. 2 facts

775
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,400
and a.
Falsehood is a part of the show

776
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,520
where I try to trick Bob by
giving him 2 facts and a

777
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,960
falsehood and he has to guess
which one is the falsehood.

778
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
It's the early season.
We're still a little rusty here.

779
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,760
These intros are not what they
once were, man.

780
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Oh, they're they're.
Perfect, Bob.

781
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,640
All right man, so 2 facts and a
falsehood.

782
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,640
It is only week two.
I still have much of the season

783
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920
ahead of me.
I'm feeling pretty good so far

784
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Brad.
I think I can do it.

785
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,600
I think I can go like at least
10 games over 500 this season.

786
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,880
That's an.
Impressive.

787
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Impressive thing to claim, Bob.
I'm going to.

788
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Dominate.
Hit me with your two facts and a

789
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480
falsehood, Brad.
Fact #1.

790
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,480
The film features a total of 7
Oscar winners, Sissy Spacek,

791
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Mary Steenburgen, Octavia
Spencer, Viola Davis, Emma

792
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Stone, Allison Janney and
Jessica Chastain, as well as two

793
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,840
nominees.
Cicely Tyson.

794
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,600
I should have practiced this
ingenue.

795
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Ellis Taylor, is that good?
Tyson is also the recipient of

796
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,200
an honorary Oscar.
Fact #2's Sissy Spacek almost

797
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,640
declined the role of Misses
Walters, feeling that the

798
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000
character lacked depth and
development.

799
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,960
You and me both, Sissy.
However, she changed her mind

800
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,160
when director Tate Taylor
promised her the freedom to

801
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,840
improvise during filming,
allowing her to bring a more

802
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,200
nuance and personality to the
role.

803
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:23,240
Fact #3 To ensure authenticity
in the kitchen scenes, the

804
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,720
production hired renowned
Southern chefs to give the cast

805
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,160
cooking lessons.
Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer

806
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,880
spent an entire week learning
how to make classic Southern

807
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,920
dishes like fried chicken,
collard greens and chocolate

808
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,120
pies, which were then served to
the cast and crew during

809
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,160
filming.
I think 1 is true.

810
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,280
You've mentioned chocolate pie
so much in this episode that I'm

811
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,880
just gonna not even not even
drag this out.

812
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,280
I think 3 is the falsehood just
'cause I think that you have had

813
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,600
poop pie on the brain and I
think you made that one up.

814
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
I have nothing else to base it
on, but I'm gonna put my eggs in

815
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,560
that basket #3 is the falsehood,
Brad.

816
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920
I was just saying I think I've.
Only mentioned chocolate pie

817
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040
once.
Poop pie, on the other hand.

818
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,240
Chocolate as a euphemism, you
know.

819
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Bob, you are absolutely correct.
Number 3 was the falsehood,

820
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,720
Brad.
I don't have a transition.

821
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,840
Let's talk about poop pie for a
little bit.

822
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080
We ought to.
This is like.

823
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Truly an obviously the movie
wants you to understand that

824
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
poop pie is what everything
hinges on.

825
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,720
And it is man.
It's it's the climax of the

826
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,840
narrative.
It is also the point where the

827
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,400
movie started falling apart for
me.

828
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,480
And I don't like, I say falling
apart like it still lands the

829
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,520
plane, but it's like one of
those plane landings where you

830
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,320
can tell that the the the pilot
didn't get the landing gear on

831
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,760
the ground quite right.
And you kind of bounce forward a

832
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,160
little bit and then you're like,
Oh my gosh, thank God he landed

833
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,760
that.
It's it's one of those landings

834
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,120
and I, I just, the poop pie took
me out of the whole thing.

835
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,640
Man.
It seemed like a movie that

836
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,560
could be rooted in a real world
until that happened.

837
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Do you understand the bacteria
that live in human feces like.

838
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,880
What are we doing?
There's no way she eats two

839
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,640
whole pieces of a pie containing
shit and doesn't go to the

840
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,560
hospital.
Like what is going on here?

841
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,040
I who?
Who knows, maybe that's how she

842
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
got her.
Her little blister, her cold

843
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,400
sore thing.
Yeah, her cold sore.

844
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,960
Yeah.
I don't know, man.

845
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,880
The poop.
Pie just really, they never

846
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,280
recovered from that for me.
Yeah, it.

847
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Takes it to a level of over the
topness that makes you doubt

848
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,600
that any of this ever could have
happened.

849
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,840
But like, it truly feels like,
oh, what is it?

850
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,440
There's a television show that
my wife watched through about

851
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,280
this.
Like Doctor Who goes and lives

852
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,560
in this town in in the South and
that like this felt like

853
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,760
something out of that television
show, like really cheesy, really

854
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,760
over the top drama, silly plot
lines going on all the time.

855
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Like it just felt like a silly
television show that, you know,

856
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,040
came on, disappeared.
Nobody ever remembers the show.

857
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,520
I can't even remember the name
of it.

858
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Like that's the level of content
we're talking about here.

859
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,320
And for your entire plot about
the plight of black people in

860
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,320
the South to hinge on poop pie?
It just feels.

861
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,400
It feels too flippant and
trivial and like you can't then

862
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,240
try to expect me to get back on
board for like the plight of a

863
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,400
whole people in the American
South after convincing me that

864
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,760
like poop pie has happened.
It.

865
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,880
I feel silly having this
conversation.

866
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200
We're talking about a pie that
someone shot in Brad.

867
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Like this is Yep, this is
ridiculous.

868
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,520
And I think I mean.
Hold on Bob, here's the Here's

869
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,320
the deal.
We have reviewed one other movie

870
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,120
in the history of this podcast
with a poop pie of sorts.

871
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,960
And do you know what movie that
is?

872
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,200
No, actually this is this is
catching me off guard.

873
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,000
The very first movie we ever
reviewed?

874
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Anchorman.
The Legend of Ron Burgundy.

875
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,240
You will eat that cat poop.
I totally forgot about that.

876
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,760
There you go, That's your,
that's your.

877
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Let's make it a double here, but
like that.

878
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,920
Like that fact alone should be
enough to tell you how

879
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,800
ridiculous this plot line is.
Now I'll tell you what they.

880
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Could have done very easily
because she's telling the story

881
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,400
to Abilene and Skeeter and
they're showing her perspective.

882
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,120
Like, you know, they're showing
the audience how it actually

883
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,280
happened.
And she says eat my shit and

884
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,440
then, you know, you just did eat
my shit.

885
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,400
If they had cut back to her and
she said like, obviously I

886
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
didn't shit in the pie, I just
wanted her to think I did,

887
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,120
that's a completely different
movie.

888
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Now, maybe you think that she
has to shit in the pie for it to

889
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,960
have dramatic effect, but I
don't think so.

890
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,200
As long as Hilly is convinced
that she ate poop and like she's

891
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,640
never going to tell anybody as a
result, that has the exact same

892
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,520
effect.
And I think that her having some

893
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,800
sort of psychological leg up on
Hilly because of that makes a

894
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,200
lot more sense that way.
But for her to really be like, I

895
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,040
wasn't going to say anything, I
really did poop in that pie.

896
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,840
I just like, I just can't buy
into it.

897
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Dude, that's even worse.
Yeah, like, like she's going to

898
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,040
let her eat that whole pie.
Like at what?

899
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,000
Point do I I don't know I'm not
usually this nitpicky about that

900
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,280
kind of stuff like, oh, she'd be
in the hospital, but truly like

901
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,720
you just can't put that in a
movie and then not address the

902
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:03,160
ramifications of eating two
whole slices of that Also she.

903
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,240
Like, like makes a pointed
effort to say this isn't for

904
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,200
you, Missus Walters.
This is for Haley.

905
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,880
So like, if she just dropped it
off and left like 100% Walt, you

906
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,840
know, Misses Walters would have
ate some of that pie, right?

907
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,440
That's.
What I'm saying?

908
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,920
Yeah, the the.
Whole thing just feels very

909
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
strange.
I like, I'm actually with you, I

910
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,920
didn't think about that.
But if you just have her say

911
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,840
like I didn't actually poop in
the pie, like if the whole

912
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,040
purpose of her going.
Out there was to be like, hey,

913
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,320
eat my shit and then tell her
you just ate my shit but it

914
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,040
wasn't real.
I think it works better that way

915
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,440
because you don't have all of
the what ifs of like what if she

916
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,360
had done what she intended to
do, which was not say anything.

917
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,280
How many people, how much of the
town would have ingested her

918
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,120
feces?
Maybe it turns into a weird like

919
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Sweeney Todd story.
She's just pooping in pies man.

920
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,680
The whole town dies from the
place.

921
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,560
Just a montage.
Of of pies being lifted off of

922
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,160
window sills and then returned
with like a swirl of poop emoji

923
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,640
on top of them.
Oh, man, All right, I just had

924
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,280
to get that.
I was going to say get that off

925
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,840
my chest, but that has Cleveland
Steamer implications that we

926
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,320
don't want to get into here.
It didn't until you said.

927
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,080
Listen, man, it's the help.
We, you know, what are we what

928
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,200
else are we going to talk about
here?

929
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,440
All right, Brad, I think if we
don't have anything else to say,

930
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,120
is it time to get into.
Let's make it a double?

931
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Yeah, Bob, I think it's.
I think it's a perfect time to

932
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,600
get into.
Let's make it a double.

933
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,640
Near the end.
Of the episode so thanks

934
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,680
listening to the film and
whiskey show.

935
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,400
Let's pair another film with
this one.

936
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,840
Even if it's struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

937
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

938
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,400
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

939
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,080
to make the perfect double
feature.

940
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,560
Now we have really given
ourselves a nice runway here to

941
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,440
find other fecal based films.
I don't really have any at the

942
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,400
top of mind here.
So with without that to lead

943
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,280
into Brad, I'll just throw over
to you.

944
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,160
What is your let's make it a
double here.

945
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,640
Well, I was going to say.
That that would be a heck of a

946
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,560
ChatGPT prompt.
Give me the top 10 fecal based

947
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:28,760
10 scat movies.
I am going to throw the

948
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,440
curveball of all curveballs.
Robert, Are you ready for this?

949
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,920
Sure.
I am not.

950
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Going to give you a movie I as I
finished this film and I and I

951
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:46,760
sat back and I thought about
what it was trying to say about

952
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,640
what was going on in the South
in the 1960s.

953
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,280
I realized there was there was
something running through my

954
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,960
head over and over and over
again that just as a better

955
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:05,160
example of properly highlighting
the plight of of black Americans

956
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,960
in the South of the 1960s, I
thought about Bob Dylan's song

957
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120
The Lonesome Death of Hattie
Carroll.

958
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,160
And that is going to be my Let's
make it a double for this week.

959
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Wow.
I don't think I've ever heard

960
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,640
you on this show or in real life
ever refer to Bob Dylan.

961
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,560
I had no idea You listen to
Dylan.

962
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,600
Yeah.
I like him.

963
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,720
I I don't like know all of his
stuff.

964
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:33,800
I, I'm not a massive fan, but
this is a song that I, I

965
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,720
listened to a long time ago.
It made a large impact on me.

966
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,400
And I, I guess I would say this,
if you were going to follow

967
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,520
this, let's make it a double, I
would encourage you to watch the

968
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,280
movie, listen to the song, and
then go read the Wikipedia page

969
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,240
for the song because it really
dives deeply into.

970
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,360
Yeah, just.
The the crazy stories that you

971
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,920
get out of the South in this
time period, there is a really

972
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,880
good.
Inclusion of Don't Think Twice

973
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,920
It's All Right on the soundtrack
to this movie, which I

974
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,480
appreciated.
If we're just pairing this with

975
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,400
soundtrack stuff, Very early on
in the movie they play Johnny

976
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,280
Cash and June Carter's duet on
the song Jackson.

977
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,440
And at like the four minute mark
of this movie, I was like, what

978
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,200
if I just watched Walk the Lion
instead of this movie?

979
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,480
So I guess you could do that for
Let's make it a double.

980
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,760
Did did that feel?
Like a Forrest Gump type of

981
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,040
movie reference.
Like putting in Jackson cause

982
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,400
'cause they're in Jackson a
little bit.

983
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,920
I do think honestly, if you're
just, if you're just trying to

984
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,080
find something that kind of goes
with the vibe of this movie, the

985
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,440
best 2 movies to pair this with
are either Green Book or Forrest

986
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,960
Gump.
For pretty obvious reasons.

987
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,240
I think Forrest Gump might
actually be the closer movie to

988
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,520
this because I think it goes for
that kind of cheesy payoff the

989
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,440
same way that Forrest Gump does.
But you know what?

990
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,440
I thought about Walk the Line
and I'm going to pair this with

991
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,800
Walk the Line.
Good movie.

992
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,800
That's a really.
Weird pairing, Bob.

993
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,120
It's about the South.
You know, and Jackson, yeah,

994
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,760
sure.
Yeah, why not?

995
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,840
I mean you.
Paired it with a song.

996
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,280
At least I paired it with a
movie.

997
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,360
Yeah, I paired it with a.
Song that literally perfectly

998
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,640
relates to everything they're
trying to say in this movie.

999
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,040
Come on man.
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1000
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,320
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1001
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1003
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1004
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1005
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,960
All right, dude, we have a we
have a question before us before

1006
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,680
we give this final scores.
Does this deserve to be

1007
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,560
considered a modern classic
slash to go into the 21st

1008
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,560
century Canon?
I hate to say it, man, but I

1009
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,080
don't think it does.
No, I don't think so either.

1010
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,880
It's a good movie though.
I think it's like a a better

1011
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,000
movie than it gets credit for.
Film Twitter.

1012
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,960
Not a fan of this movie, but I
think it's like an enjoyable

1013
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,760
movie and I think it's one of
those films that right now it

1014
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,960
has a 7.9 on IMDb which is
enough to get it into the top

1015
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,080
250.
And I think that's a great place

1016
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,440
for this movie.
It is.

1017
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,240
It's a really solid 7.9, you
know what I mean?

1018
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,520
Like everyone on Earth is
probably like, that's like an 8.

1019
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,880
No one, no one's out there
arguing that the help is a 10

1020
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,160
out of 10.
But yeah, I'm OK with that.

1021
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,480
Also not.
Also not arguing that it's a six

1022
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,760
out of 10.
Yeah, yeah.

1023
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,160
It's like a, it's a.
Perfectly fine it's and better

1024
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,440
than fine it's.
It's a competently made movie

1025
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,760
featuring some stellar
performances that takes you on

1026
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,360
an emotional ride.
I think the emotions, like the

1027
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,080
emotional payoff of the movie
works.

1028
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,320
I got misty a couple times.
It's a good movie and it's like

1029
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:02,680
a perfect it's on cable and I
want to watch a chick flick

1030
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,520
movie, you know what I mean?
But I don't know.

1031
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,640
If you know this, but nobody
watches cable anymore, they

1032
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,120
don't.
I, I I did.

1033
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,120
A survey if you grew up.
With cable, which you did not.

1034
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,400
Nope.
I feel like you get a good vibe

1035
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,360
for like, what's a good cable
movie?

1036
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:19,840
Yeah.
No, this is.

1037
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,080
This is a great cable movie it
even.

1038
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,480
It even has some.
Great one liners like when Emma

1039
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,920
Stone's mom says love and hate
are two horns on the same goat

1040
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,080
and you need a goat also.
When you need a ringer, bring in

1041
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Allison Janney 'cause that is a
nothing part that she takes to

1042
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,080
the next level in the last 15
minutes of that movie.

1043
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,880
Dude, yeah, from telling her
daughter the story of

1044
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Constantine the nerd, the the
maid and how she got fired, to

1045
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,400
kicking Hilly off of her porch
and property.

1046
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,840
Come on, man.
It was so good.

1047
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,640
I are.
Are we in final scores now?

1048
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Yeah, I've.
Already said, but I'm going to

1049
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,560
give it an 8.
I think that's about the highest

1050
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,240
I could go on this one, yeah.
I I'm going to give it a 7 1/2.

1051
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Here you go.
I like, I think this is a

1052
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,160
perfectly passable movie that
has some high moments, but it

1053
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,840
overall, the the IT, it just
doesn't rise to meet the level

1054
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,680
of the message it's trying to
send.

1055
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,360
That's fair.
I feel like this whole episode,

1056
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,280
this is such a weird season
because we're holding every

1057
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,800
movie up to the standard of
like.

1058
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Is this an all time classic?
And sometimes it's OK to just be

1059
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,760
a really good movie.
And that's kind of what this is.

1060
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,720
This is a good movie.
I don't want to disparage it,

1061
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,480
but it's not it's not going in
the time capsule for me.

1062
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,800
Yeah.
What?

1063
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,960
Here's a.
Question for you.

1064
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,600
You know, we're only two, two
movies in we we had Oppenheimer,

1065
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,520
which both of us are very high
on.

1066
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,800
And now we have The Help, which
both of us are like, yeah,

1067
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,960
really solid.
What do you think this season is

1068
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,640
the lowest score you would give
a movie and say yes, it is a

1069
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,640
modern classic?
I think that there are movies

1070
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,320
that have have gotten like the
general consensus of everyone

1071
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,080
loves this except Bob Book.
And I think sometimes you just

1072
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,440
have to be like, yeah, I know
that like if there's 100 movies

1073
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,720
on the list that I'm only going
to get a maximum of 99 movies I

1074
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,320
like in there.
And that's OK.

1075
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,680
Like I'll, I'll let you have
your movie, you know what I

1076
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,640
mean?
So there probably will be some

1077
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,400
movies on this list that I'm
like, this is a six for me, but

1078
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,720
it's a 10 for everybody else.
And I just have to be true to

1079
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,480
myself.
JoJo Rabbit, here we come.

1080
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,200
All right, Brad, let's give a
preview of next week's movie.

1081
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,360
We are throwing it forward seven
years to look at the modern

1082
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,280
animated classic question mark
Spider Man into the spider

1083
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,560
verse.
Have you seen this one yet?

1084
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,360
I.
Haven't I, I've, I've nearly hit

1085
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,040
play on it a few times.
And then we announced that we

1086
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,200
were going to do it for the
podcast.

1087
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,760
And I was like, I'm I actually
need to wait and we're going to

1088
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,640
watch it.
First time for the show, if

1089
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,040
there's ever.
Been a superhero that I give a

1090
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,560
long leash to.
It is Spider Man.

1091
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,760
And I think mostly because Raimi
imparted such goodwill towards

1092
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,120
Spider Man that I'm willing to
reset every three years a new

1093
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,520
Spider Man origin story.
Yep.

1094
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,360
But I'd be interested to see
what you think next week.

1095
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,400
Are they overdoing it with
Spider Man at this point?

1096
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,920
I think that's my big question
going into next week, Brad.

1097
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:37,880
Yeah.
And.

1098
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,040
And it's also.
Interesting.

1099
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,760
Like I'm kind of over the whole
multiverse thing.

1100
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,760
Yeah, dude.
So like.

1101
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,200
To go back to its heyday and
watch a movie that obviously is

1102
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,120
all about it way after the fact,
like, I don't know, it'd be like

1103
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,840
going back to watch a zombie
movie right now.

1104
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,880
Like it's like, yeah, zombies
are big in 2012.

1105
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,880
All right guys, so it is a 7.75
on average for us for the help,

1106
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,360
but we'd like to know what you
think both about the help and

1107
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,480
about into the spider verse.
You can let us know at any of

1108
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,200
our social media accounts,
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

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Tiktok, YouTube and LinkedIn.
Baby at Film Whiskey.

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If you want to have actual
meaningful conversation, don't

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go to LinkedIn, go to go to
Discord.

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We are on Discord every single
day talking to you guys, fans of

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the Film and Whiskey podcast.
So if you'd like to join the

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conversation, you can find a
link at the end of every single

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one of our show notes.
We'll be back.

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Next week talking about Spider
Man.

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But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad.

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G and we'll see you.
Next time.