The Fugitive / Green River Straight Rye Whiskey

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In 1993, director Andrew Davis
and star Harrison Ford gave the

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world a thrilling chase drama
that never, ever quits.

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In 2024, we take a trip across
the river to try the Pride of

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Owensboro.
The film is The Fugitive.

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The whiskey is.
Green River Rye.

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We'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and whiskey.
Podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And Brad G, it is time for a
movie that I've actually been

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looking forward to this season
because we're in the year 1993

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to check out Best Picture
nominee.

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The Fugitive, you know, I I
talked a few weeks ago about how

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I was very happy that our birth
year had Home Alone as it's

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movie like like if you have a
top grossing film like Home

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Alone in the Year of Your Birth,
like that's pretty good.

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But man, I I kind of wish it was
The Fugitive, Bob.

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Well, to be clear, The Fugitive
is not the highest grossing film

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of 1993.
Brad, do you remember what is?

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Oh, I.
Don't right now.

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It was, for a time, the highest
grossing film of all time.

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One of my favorite films,
Jurassic Park.

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And you know, of course, we've
already done Jurassic Park, so I

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had to skip down a.
Few great year, Bob.

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I'm telling you, man, what an.
Incredible.

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Even if those were the only two
movies.

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I don't know anything else in 93
but those two alone.

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Cinema baby, we're back, Brad.
OK, so if you are new to the

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podcast, welcome in.
We are theming this season of

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the show around 1:00 Central
premise and that is money.

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We're all about money, this.
Year.

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We are reviewing the highest
grossing film or thereabouts

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every year from 1988 to 2019.
So we kicked off with Rain Man

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in 1988 and we are bringing it
all the way up to the five year

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anniversary of Avengers end
game.

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A movie that I cannot wait to
shit all over.

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And once again Brad, if I could
be honest with you, but we are

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only a few seasons in, we're in
1993 and we are joined by one of

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our favorite people in the whole
world.

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If you weren't excited enough
about The Fugitive, then you

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should be excited about the I
believe 5th appearance on this

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podcast by our friend Patrick
Williams.

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Patrick, how are you today?
I am doing so well guys, Thanks

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for having me.
I'm assuming my 5 Timers Club

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jacket is in the mail.
Yeah, it is.

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By the way.
Great.

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Great.
Can't wait?

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I don't know if you guys were in
households like mine growing up,

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but when you talk about your
Five timers jacket, when I was a

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little kid, there was this
promotion that was being done, I

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think by like Wheaties, the
cereal.

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And if you got enough boxes of
Wheaties and sent in something

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or other, they sent you a
commemorative jacket of the

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dream team.
And this jacket is legitimately

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made out of paper.
It is a paper jacket that my

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parents kept for posterity and I
remember like, it was folded in

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a drawer.
I found it when I was like 10

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years old and I was like, this
is awesome, I'm going to wear

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this.
And I walked downstairs wearing

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my dream team paper jacket and
they were like, how dare you,

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you will tear the paper jacket.
You have to take that off.

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So all that to say, the Five
Timers jacket will absolutely be

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made of that material, Patrick.
And can I just have the Wheaties

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Dream Team jacket?
I was going to say, and it'll

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weirdly feature the Dream Team.
Look, as someone, so I'm I think

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like about 3 years older than
you guys and in the 90s I was

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all about the dream team.
I mean, they were the Dream

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Team.
And it was that I I remember

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that promotion and because
especially I think I probably

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still is, but in the 90s, I
remember that was like Wheaties

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was like the sports cereal.
They always had professional

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athletes on those boxes.
And I was a huge cereal kid, and

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I always wish that I was more
into Wheaties because I wanted

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to have the boxes that, like
Michael Jordan was on.

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I wanted to have.
I wanted to be able to to mail

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away like box tops or whatever
to get that Dream Team jacket.

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But Wheaties was never one of my
my favorite cereals.

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Not a great cereal.
I mean when the defining

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characteristic like think about
how they named cereals like

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Frosted Flakes, Cocoa Puffs,
like the defining characteristic

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of your cereal is just wheat.
Like of course no one's going to

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like that.
You've got to get, you got to

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have Larry Bird to to promote it
for you.

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Flakes.
I'd rather have cornflakes than

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Wheaties.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, this is a podcast about
cereal, right?

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It is now.
I'm trying to find a Segway.

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You know who probably ate
Wheaties was Tommy Lee Jones.

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He seems like a Wheaties guy to
me and really does.

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Once we get into talking about
this movie.

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Despite what you may think, we

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are not here to talk about
breakfast cereals.

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We are here to talk about The
Fugitive, a movie that I had

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seen many times.
Brad, had you seen this movie

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prior to this episode?
I believe I've seen it once when

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I was like 18 to 20 or so, like
early college years, and I I

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remember just loving this film.
I'm honestly like just knowing,

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you know, your age.
I'm surprised you didn't see it

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when you were younger, because
this is a movie that I maybe

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once, but I I'm not sure I
really ever saw in full until

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like the past decade.
But it was just a staple of what

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I mean.
Not just like TBS and TNT, but

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like it would be like the NBC
Saturday night movie or

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whatever.
It was just on television so

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much that it was inescapable.
It really is one of those movies

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that you've seen 5 minutes of it
somewhere.

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If you even if you've never seen
the movie, you've seen parts of

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it before.
But that makes our next segment

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much easier.
Brad, you've seen this movie

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before, so you should be much
more capable at the first

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segment of our podcast, which we
call, Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Brad, you are a seasoned veteran
when it comes to The Fugitive.

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You have 60 seconds on the
clock.

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Do you think you can break down
the whole plot of this film?

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I don't know if two times
watching the film is like

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seasoned veteran status.
I think five times is when you

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hit seasoned veteran.
That's fair.

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What?
You're You're lightly seasoned,

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so basically a box of Wheaties
is what we're saying.

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You were the equivalent of
Wheaties.

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You have one minute on the
clock, man.

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Spoil this movie folks.
If you have not seen The

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Fugitive, this is where you hit
pause, go watch this awesome

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movie, and then get back to us.
But Brad, the timer is running

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and go.
The Fugitive is a film about a

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man named Doctor Richard Kimball
who is wrongfully accused and

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convicted of murdering his wife.
As he's being transported to the

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prison, other prisoners commit a
murder and escape the bus, which

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is immediately hit by a train as
Kimball makes his way.

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Oh man, I This is not working
well, Bob.

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It's a movie about a fugitive,
man.

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How hard is this?
Brad Yeah, Kimball gets away and

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he's on the run from Tommy Lee
Jones, and he's solving the

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murder of his wife as he evades
police capture.

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Boom.
There it is.

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I I always get too caught in the
weeds, man.

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You you really do.
And they're honestly, there's

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not that many weeds in this
movie.

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It's a pretty lean, mean film.
I'm a big fan of this one, Brad.

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I I know you are too.
I'm really excited to dive into

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it.
I guess the 1st place to start

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is to acknowledge that this
movie is in fact one of our

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favorite things pre-existing IP.
This is a remake of a very

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famous television show from the
1960s with which I have

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absolutely no familiarity.
Like I I've never seen an

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episode of The Fugitive.
Patrick, are you are you

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familiar with the Fugitive TV
show at all?

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No, never seen it.
It probably is worth mentioning

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that I I don't know if this was
the first example, but there was

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a real wave in the 90s of movies
based on 60s TV shows, and maybe

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not just 60s, but 60s and 70s.
I mean, you know, obviously you

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have The Fugitive here.
You've got Mission Impossible

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Three years later, The
Flintstones, The Brady Bunch,

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The The The Beverly Beverly
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It would it would just like,
yeah, Hollywood went crazy for

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adapting shows from the 60s.
And honest, like the only thing

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that I'm aware of about the show
is that I know the one armed man

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is is in it.
And like the show is basically,

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you know, he's on the run and
there's probably a trillion

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episodes.
So he's on the run like forever

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and he's just trying to find the
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And that's all I know.
And you you can definitely tell

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in this, in the film version
that like the the phrase the one

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armed man is like really
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Like the the way they sprinkle
it throughout the film, it just

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feels like, yeah, we did this
one armed man we got, We got to

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find him.
It's such a perfect thing

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because it's it sounds crazy
when you hear him say it.

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When he's like, I didn't kill my
wife.

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The one armed man did.
It's like, sure, doctor.

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Yeah, the the one armed man.
Yeah, you you couldn't you

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couldn't beat A1 armed man in a
fight.

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Sure, he's some guy is running
around with one arm out there

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and he's the actual guilty
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OK, this brings up my first
point of contention with the

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film.
Now I want to say for the

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record.
For you you have.

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I do have.
I have.

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Multiple points of contention.
See.

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Here's the thing.
The greatest movie ever made.

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I don't.
Typically get this nitpicky, But

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as I watched it this time, I was
like, huh, Like I just.

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I listen.
I will suspend my disbelief.

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I will accept that that a major
shady corporation hired A1 armed

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man as their assassin slash
security guard.

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But does that not put you at a
major physical disadvantage when

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whenever anyone tries?
I'm not trying to be ableist on

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our on our show here today, but
like the the one armed didness

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of it all is very like it seems
like you would be a rather

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ineffective an assassin with
only one arm.

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Am I am I crazy?
I mean, maybe they don't use him

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as an assassin very often, you
know, maybe that's like a part

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time thing.
He's.

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Like the backup assassin when
the other guy calls off.

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I mean, look, we don't, we
haven't seen their Rolodex of

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assassins.
We just know that he's a got.

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He's a former cop who knows his
way around a gun who is already

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involved with these doctors and
and their conspiracy or

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whatever.
So I wouldn't be so like

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skipping right to the end when
we're talking about Doctor

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Nichols.
Also side note, I can't remember

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the actor's name who plays
Doctor Nichols, the ultimate

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villain of the whole thing.
But like 3 days ago I I because

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I'm following along with the you
know, the the the current blank

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check series.
I watched The Prince of Tides

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for the first time and have you
guys seen it?

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This is the Barbra Streisand
movie.

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Yeah, I have not seen it.
I know it got a Criterion

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released like last year, right?
Got a Criterion release 1991

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movie.
Also a Best Picture nominee but

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same actor.
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asshole husband who's a world
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And he and I've seen The
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screen this.
I was like wait did I I just

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watch a movie where this guy was
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character there in in that movie
he's just like cheating on her.

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He's not, you know, having
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But I but yeah, I I just saw him
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Anyway, I I'm just going to say
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Nichols knows a whole lot of
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ready to murder somebody and
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I mean and and boy, was he ever
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he's got him cornered on the L
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And the moment anyone like
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from Scrubs is a cop in this and
he says, hey, hold it right

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there and my guy just turns
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starts shooting.
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An assassin.
He's just drawing all the

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attention to himself.
He's he's also kind of perfectly

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framing Doctor Richard Kimball
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we're just talking about the end
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this guy's a cop killer shoot on
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And it just raises the stakes.
See again, he's he's, you know

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he.
Even though he's not able to

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stop Harrison Ford there, you
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frame him for a murder.
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Another murder.
Another murder, and maybe he's

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more effective than I gave him
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This is wait WAIT.
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Bob, you said you had multiple
grievances.

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I I do they they are all related
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So we'll we'll get there in an
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Let's jump back to the beginning
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things here.
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Can we talk about the 15 minute
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Yes, you can see us which is it
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I every time I watch this movie
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of it because it gets to what
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fast.
I I I paused it and checked the

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time. 24 minutes into the movie
Harrison Ford is is on the run

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of fugitive.
Tommy Lee Jones has been

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introduced.
The entire premise of the movie

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like it.
It's happening.

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It's like other movies might
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act to to to set up like the
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no 24 minutes into a movie.
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In the like 11 minutes long you
you have everything and it has

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started the they condense so
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Oh yeah.
That that like they like a

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basically I think like almost a
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It's like they're jumping
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investigations and a trial.
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He's on a prison bus before.
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Appears on screen.
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prisoners on that bus, get more
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development than his dead wife
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Like, that's how fast we're
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like 11 seconds into this movie,
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Like it's just there's like a
shot of a staircase and then you

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just see his wife, just gonzo.
It's a really brutal opening, I

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have to say.
But to your point, Patrick, it's

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like they just sat down in a
room and said, OK, what do we

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need to establish, OK, his wife
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get convicted of her murder.
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fugitive aspect of this.
So let's just do all that during

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the opening credits.
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established narratively.
It's just kind of like is this

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big montage in which you get
little snippets of things and

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piece together everything that's
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Yeah, it it in those first 15
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a lot.
Like it basically starts with

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the murder where it'll do this
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think is meant to mimic like
crime scene photographer you

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where it'll kind of like flash
and invert the image and like

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freeze on it and then it'll like
jump to earlier in the night at

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when the you know they're at
they're at a fundraiser and and

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it'll it's cutting back and
forth between like the murder

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and and the events leading up to
it that night and then also and

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then suddenly we're jumping
through him being questioned by

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police and all this stuff.
It's the kind of thing that I

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mean, look.
So a thing that I I think is

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fascinating is this movie
written by David Twowhee, who is

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best known for creating a
beloved character, Riddick, and

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writing and directing Pitch
Black and the The Riddick

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Trilogy.
But many years earlier he was

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just a screenwriter and and he
wrote what I think is very

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nearly a perfect script.
Like for this movie, I'm just

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like there, there's no better
version of this.

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This is like, it's like
Immaculate and I and I want to

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give him a lot of credit, but I
could also totally imagine a

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reality where the movie spent a
lot more time and did linearly.

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Like, like I I can imagine what
if they shot all of those full

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scenes in order And then what if
this was all just done in

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editing?
I think there are three credited

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editors.
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that they decided like, no, we
got to get to it faster.

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We got to chop down like the
the, you know, maybe it took 40

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minutes for him to be on the
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I don't know.
You know, there's a, there's a

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thriller from the late 80s
called No Way Out with Kevin

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Costner and Gene Hackman and I I
started watching this movie, I

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don't know, a week ago on Tubi.
It was late at night.

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It was a Tubi film.
I was like, I'm going to watch

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this movie.
It starts the way that this

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movie should start in terms of
like what was happening in

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thriller films at the time,
which is there's this extended,

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you know, like ballroom banquet
scene at the beginning where

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we're establishing all the
characters and here's this

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person's wife and.
Here's this interpersonal

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dynamic with this asshole Gene
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and potatoes after this big

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establishing sequence.
And you're absolutely right,

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Patrick.
Like the edit on this is wild.

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You You start with the murder
and then you flashback to little

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snippets of what happened
earlier in the night, but only

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what is absolutely vital to know
in terms of giving you

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information that's going to pay
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Like, it's a complete Chekhov's
Gun kind of a thing, but told

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out of linear order.
And I think that's like one of

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my absolute favorite things
about this film is that they

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give you just enough information
you need to understand why the

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action is happening.
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like like at the very start, all
you know is that he did not kill

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his wife, 'cause you see
somebody else do it.

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And you know that he's wealthy,
'cause he's at some sort of

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gala.
And that's it.

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Like eventually you hear him
call doctor, so you kind of

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learn that he's a doctor.
And then as the action

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progresses, they they feed you
little bits of information that

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inform why the action is
happening.

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Like the first time they go to
interview his friend Doctor

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Nichols.
And he's like, yeah, I saw him

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outside, you know, my Tennis
Club and I gave him some money

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and I I don't know what's going
on, but you will never catch him

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because he is the most brilliant
man I know.

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And it's at that point that you
start to realize, oh, he's not

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just a doctor.
He truly is like thinking way

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beyond just how do I get away
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And and the way they continue to
introduce information throughout

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the movie, I don't know if I've
ever seen another action

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thriller do it as well as they
do here.

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Yeah, I think that I think they
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That's also really smart is in
terms of like the actual night

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of the murder, The only times we
really have flashbacks to it are

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like when he falls asleep.
And I like, I just, I like this

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idea that it's like he's under
too much pressure to even

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really, like be properly haunted
by what happened or deal with

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like the most traumatic event of
his life.

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And then it's but but of course
it makes sense that like, oh,

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right.
It's only when he like, like he

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would like dream about that when
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they find the right moments.
That makes sense, I think from a

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character perspective, to give
you those little flashbacks, to

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show you his wife, to show you
what he's thinking about.

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But when he's awake, it is all
business all the time.

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He hasn't.
He hasn't.

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Like there is no time to go mope
and cry about his dead wife

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because he is on the run.
He has a mystery to solve.

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I and and I've been.
I don't even know where to

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begin.
I could.

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I I love, like every of this
movie.

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It it is.
It's it's one of theme.

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I think the most purely like,
enjoyable and satisfying movies

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ever.
It's so the reason it was like a

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cable classic.
It is just so compulsively

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watchable.
It's a movie that you stumble

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across in the middle of and
you're just like, well, here's

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the next two hours of my life.
I'm not going to turn this off

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now.
Well and and and they flesh out

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the world so well.
Like you have Tommy Lee Jones in

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the middle of this chase making
fun of his.

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You know like junior partners
Ponytail, right.

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And you have him that you have
Kimball Harrison Ford renting an

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apartment and the the son of the
owner gets arrested for drug

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dealing like there there's so
much of this movie that feels

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like the whole world isn't just
about Richard Kimball.

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Things are happening around him
and and it's it's it just feels

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so lived in and and immersed.
That's the thing I I was

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thinking about so much watching
it because in the scene where

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Tommy Lee Jones and his team of
US Marshals are introduced, you

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know, obviously Joey pants as
Cosmo, his right hand man

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almost.
It's the kind of thing where

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it's like you're watching the
movie and you're like, man, this

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is great, this is great.
Then Tommy Lee Jones shows up

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with Joe Joey pants like over a
shoulder and you go, wait, never

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mind, this is the best American
film ever made.

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But in that scene, their whole
little team is like walking down

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the railroad tracks to the the
accident scene, you know, where

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the like a train collided with
the prison bus and all of that.

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And and he's kind of razzing the
woman on his team about like not

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wearing the right boots for it
and like you.

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And and it's implied that like
this is like a running thing of

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like her insisting on like
wearing heels to this and you're

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just like Oh my God, there's
like these characters have

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existing relationships like they
had lives before they entered

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the movie here and everyone you
meet.

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It's a situation like that, Like
like there's just the extra

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effort put into everything that
is just it.

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It just makes every bit of it so
much more satisfying.

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But it's done so economically
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Like they don't have to have a
whole scene establishing Tommy

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Lee Jones's relationship with
these people.

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It's a couple, you know, frankly
throwaway lines, but they're not

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throwaway lines because they get
at pre-existing relationships.

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So, well, guys, I do want to
just kind of talk broadly about

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these performances.
Let's start with Harrison Ford.

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And I want to go back to
something that Patrick was

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saying about like, because the
movie is so propulsive, he

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doesn't really have time to
just, like, sit and bemoan his

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dead wife.
But I also think that that's

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another area where the script so
perfectly sets you up to

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sympathize with him throughout
the movie and to be on his side.

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Like, yes, we know he didn't
kill his wife, but you get that

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crucial emotional breakdown in
the police station at the very

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beginning of the film, when he's
first confronted with the horror

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of her death, with her blood
still all over him and the

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accusation that he murdered her.
And I think that that scene

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might be the best acting
Harrison Ford has ever done in

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the sea.
And I love Harrison Ford, and he

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00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,880
is great in many, many things.
He is so believable and it is so

449
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760
naturalistic and it it never
seems excessive.

450
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,520
It never seems overblown.
Everything is an appropriate

451
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,320
response to what he's being
confronted with.

452
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,840
And again, it doesn't spill over
like 2 extra minutes.

453
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,160
It's done really economically,
but it's more than enough to get

454
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,960
its hooks in you and keep you on
his side for the rest of the

455
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,600
film.
And I I think that this is an

456
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,880
example of where acting small
pays off because he doesn't

457
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,640
really act big throughout a lot
of the movie, but in a few

458
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,960
moments he lets his emotions
push through and it just rips

459
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,640
your heart out.
And Bob, you're right.

460
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,960
That opening scene when they are
in the, you know, the cell being

461
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,880
interrogated, Well, when when
Harrison is being interrogated,

462
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,880
I I mean, I almost started like
tearing up.

463
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,760
Like you can feel the rawness of
that emotion and the anger he's

464
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,320
feeling, that he's being
questioned and the the the grief

465
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,360
and sorrow and his wife's death.
Like it's incredible, man.

466
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Yeah, Harrison Ford, it it's
he's such an interesting movie

467
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,800
star because you know, the guy,
he's like never won an an Oscar

468
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,880
or anything like that.
He.

469
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,560
I mean, has he ever even given
what you'd call a showy

470
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,960
performance?
I mean, like, it depends on if

471
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,200
you think that some of his later
action films like Is Air Force

472
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,440
1A hammy version of Harrison
Ford?

473
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,400
But even then, like, what's a
hammy version of Harrison Ford

474
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,600
look like compared to everyone
else's hammy?

475
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,040
It might be hammy for him,
right?

476
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,320
But But like, let's Let's talk
for like 2 seconds about 1991's

477
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,760
Kevin Costner and Alan Rickman,
Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves,

478
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280
if we want to talk about hammy
performances.

479
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Right.
I I mean the the thing with Ford

480
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,840
is just like, he's always been a
guy who, and this is a many of

481
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,360
his characters, just like a guy
who shows up and does the work

482
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,920
and he just who seems to have
like no time for any bullshit.

483
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,920
But also is just one of the most
compulsively watchable people

484
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,200
who's ever been on screen.
And like so much of this movie,

485
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,960
like this movie is a testament
to like why Harrison Ford is

486
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:24,560
maybe the most exciting actor to
watch walk of all time.

487
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Because so much of this movie is
him not talking to people just

488
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,800
walking in a hurry and looking
at things and looking over his

489
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:41,240
shoulder and just being focused
and stressed and but but just

490
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,800
just moving and and he has such
an interesting run and he runs a

491
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,000
lot in this movie.
His run is like, you know, it's

492
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,960
like the opposite of the Tom
Cruise run which is like so

493
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,480
fluid and mechanical and
Harrison Ford's run has always

494
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:01,200
been like a little bit stiff.
But I there's something that I

495
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,600
find so engaging about it.
I was literally about to say,

496
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,520
did did Harrison Ford walk here,
here in The Fugitive so that Tom

497
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,680
Cruise could run?
Quite possibly, I, I, I, but I

498
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,120
think Ford has also just been
really, really good at being a

499
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,000
guy who is repressing feelings.
Like he does not have a lot of

500
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,720
big emotional breakdown scenes
and movies.

501
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,480
But you know, so many of his
characters, what you know,

502
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840
whether like Deckard and Blade
Runner or whatever, are like

503
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:43,760
very haunted people who clearly,
like, have, you know, dark shit

504
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,520
in their lives they're not
dealing with.

505
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,840
I are are there like, you know,
I, I, I, I watched a witness

506
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,040
recently which I well, I it's
incredible.

507
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,000
It's so good.
A movie that has on paper, like

508
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,160
the silliest premise ever, like
Harrison Ford, is a detective

509
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,760
who has to go undercover as an
Amish person to solve a murder.

510
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,960
And then you watch it and.
I need to see this movie.

511
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
It is incredible.
Yeah.

512
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,520
It's a Peter Weir movie.
I but I and it and it Oh my God.

513
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,880
It it is it's it's great.
It's so great.

514
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,160
And so much of the movie is just
Harrison Ford like as a

515
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,720
detective trying to you know
connect with this little Amish

516
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:42,040
boy who witnessed the a horrible
murder and and then and and and

517
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,840
you know navigate a relationship
with an Amish woman where

518
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,000
neither of them are talking
about anything they're feeling

519
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,240
at all and yeah I I mean yeah
with Harrison Ford is there

520
00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:01,400
anyone better at just visibly
trying to put aside the the the

521
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,120
big well of emotion that that
they that they contain but they

522
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,280
cannot let spill out.
Well, I think crucially with

523
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Ford, though, you always see the
tenderness there.

524
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,360
It's not like he's, you know,
Stallone or Schwarzenegger, like

525
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,120
a person who is playing
impenetrable and incapable of

526
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,160
emotion.
And I think, Brad, you brought

527
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000
up Kevin Costner a minute ago.
You know, it's a joke about how

528
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440
bad that movie was.
But I think it's really

529
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,840
interesting chronologically.
He falls in between Clint

530
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Eastwood as a star and Kevin
Costner as a star and I think he

531
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,560
is also a combination of both of
those people like it's such an

532
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,480
interesting.
They all have ranches.

533
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Yeah, there you go.
That's what.

534
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120
That's that's the tying bond
here.

535
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,960
But no, Costner has that Gary
Cooper sort of earnest

536
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,360
tenderness to him.
Also kind of a limited range as

537
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
an actor.
Eastwood has that gruffness to

538
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,800
him and I think Ford is this
like platonic ideal of both of

539
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080
them.
Like mixed together where you

540
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,280
get the gruffness, but you never
doubt for a minute that there is

541
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,080
like a beating heart underneath
all that.

542
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120
And I think that really is kind
of like his superpower as a

543
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
star.
And it's on display here every

544
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,360
time he like talks about or
thinks about his wife or like in

545
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,520
the flashbacks where he's
interacting with her, the like

546
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280
the scene when they're in the
car together or or when he

547
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,040
rescues her from an awkward
conversation and and she just

548
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,480
kind of like, I'm glad you got
me.

549
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,240
That was my last joke.
Like there's a a familiarity and

550
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,560
tenderness that we all kind of
hope for in a 2530 year marriage

551
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,320
that feels so believable.
Yeah, I I got to say, you've

552
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:51,520
kind of blown my mind by
pointing to Ford as like the the

553
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,000
link are like the connective
tissue from Eastwood to Costner

554
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,520
because just obviously, you
know, they showed up they became

555
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,160
movie stars in that order.
But I, I it's so correct where

556
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,920
like when I picture Eastwood it
is him scowling all the time.

557
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:16,080
When I picture Costner, it is
him with like a a little smile

558
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,400
look like like a bull Durham
smile and he's still like a

559
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,360
manly man but but he's fun.
And then when I picture Ford,

560
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,800
it's a guy who's like grumpy but
actually kind of has a heart of

561
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,520
gold And that I I I'm going to
think about this forever now.

562
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,800
So thank you.
I did it.

563
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,360
All right.
Let's let's end on a high note

564
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,719
with Harrison Ford.
Let's segue over to Tommy Lee

565
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,760
Jones or as Google likes to
refer to him, TL Jones.

566
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Which absolutely not.
What the hell goo.

567
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,159
I typed in Tommy Lee Jones
filmography and it said do you

568
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,160
mean TL Jones?
And it had a little picture it

569
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,600
like.
No, no, Google I.

570
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,040
Did not mean that I've met Tommy
Lee Jones, who has never been

571
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,640
credited in a film as TL Jones.
I don't know what's going on

572
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,040
there, but here's where I want
to start with Tommy Lee Jones.

573
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,240
Even before we get into the
particulars of the performance.

574
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,040
He wins an Oscar for this movie
in an era where you could still

575
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960
win Oscars for things like this.
You know, we just talked last

576
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,600
week Brad about sister act and
how Whoopi wins the Oscar for

577
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,720
Ghost and how you could still do
that in the early 90s.

578
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,920
I don't know how I feel about
Tommy Lee Jones winning an Oscar

579
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
for this movie.
It's like I'm glad the man has

580
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,880
an Oscar.
He is incredible in this movie,

581
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,760
but based on what we have come
to know as an Oscary performance

582
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,480
over the last 20 years, this
this does not check those boxes.

583
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,640
So I'm I'm really glad that it
doesn't.

584
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,080
But I want to pick your guys's
brains a little bit about what

585
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,520
does this say about what
constituted an Oscar winning

586
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,680
performance in 93 versus 2024?
I'm looking up right now who he

587
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,560
was up against.
That's that's.

588
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Patrick, One of them was.
One of them was Ralph Fiennes in

589
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,760
Schindler's List.
So, I mean, he had some definite

590
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,600
competition.
Shit, yeah.

591
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,880
I am not going to lie, I think
Ray Fiennes probably deserved

592
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,960
the Oscar there.
I Does Ray Fiennes still not

593
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,200
have one?
I don't believe he does.

594
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,080
I don't think he won for The
English Patient.

595
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,920
He should have won Best actor
for Grand Budapest Hotel.

596
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080
His best performance, Yes.
Hey, I was on that episode.

597
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,960
Yeah, we were.
There's a, there's a point.

598
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Yeah, OK, I'm looking at it
here.

599
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:49,360
So up against Ray fines Leo in
his first Oscar nomination for

600
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,520
What's Eating Gilbert Grape?
John Malkovich for In The Line

601
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,680
of Fire, another kind of movie
and performance that is not an

602
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,320
OO movie, but he is wild in that
movie.

603
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640
And Pete Postle plays for In the
Name of the Father, which I

604
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,800
haven't actually seen.
Nor have I.

605
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080
But it's a Daniel Day Lewis
movie, so you know, it's got the

606
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Oscar prestige behind it.
Yeah, Jim Sheridan.

607
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,920
You know Ireland.
So I guess, OK, amongst this

608
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,200
crop of actors, there's some
serious competition.

609
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,640
A, what is it that puts TL Jones
over the top here?

610
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,680
And B, like especially Patrick,
you're so good at situating us

611
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,280
historically, like what does
this say about the Oscars in 92

612
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,480
versus the Oscars in in 20?
Four.

613
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,320
It's really interesting because,
I mean, you know, Schindler's

614
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,520
List obviously won Best picture
and best Director.

615
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,040
It was kind of the big winner of
the night, even if, you know,

616
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,440
Liam Neeson didn't win.
But yeah, I'm looking at the

617
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,840
rest of the Oscars this year.
This is Tom Hanks's first win

618
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,120
for Philadelphia, but which was,
you know, also a pretty big,

619
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,560
like, mainstream hit movie.
But then, like, you know, Holly

620
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Hunter wins for the piano, which
is a, a, a basically silent

621
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,160
performance, you know, not a
classic kind of oh, and then

622
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,960
Anna Paquin also wins for the
piano.

623
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,800
And so, you know, honestly,
really interest, I'm like, I'm

624
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,840
not an Oscar person.
I quit watching the Oscars in

625
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,120
2011.
So I, you know, people are like

626
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Oscar people and like really
track this stuff.

627
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,880
And I'm not one of them.
But I mean, the big thing here

628
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,400
is all these winners are from
like mainstream Hollywood

629
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520
movies.
You know it, it.

630
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,200
And not even in the in the era
of like, you know, like the

631
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,760
Weinsteins and Miramax being
like, here's what an Oscar movie

632
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,680
is.
It's like this kind of, you

633
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,080
know, it's sort of important
semi art house movie.

634
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,120
It's like, no, these are like
proper mainstream Hollywood

635
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:16,600
dramas that were also hits.
And it's honestly a really cool

636
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,000
variety.
I mean the the Tommy Lee Jones

637
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,280
thing is actually fascinating
because Leo is like, that's such

638
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,080
a big performance.
It's like, OK, he's playing a

639
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,720
mentally disabled person.
Also, he's really young and and

640
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,520
you know, you can see them being
like this guy is going to be a

641
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,360
big star.
But then also it's like he's

642
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,800
very young, he'll be back and he
was back like 10,000 times

643
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,080
before they finally gave him
one.

644
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,640
I.
Would say he was back in 2015.

645
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Yeah for you know he he not the
movie he should have won for but

646
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:04,320
I but yeah and and then Ray
finds makes so so much sense

647
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640
because great performance.
Really serious.

648
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,040
The biggest winner of the night.
Honestly, here's what here's do

649
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,200
you?
Think it's a split vote?

650
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:21,160
Well, here's the thing.
Two of the nominees here are

651
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,720
villains.
Malkovich and Fines are

652
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,600
villains.
In those movies, Fines is

653
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:34,560
playing one of the most, like,
appalling cinematic characters

654
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,160
of that decade at least.
And I wonder if some people were

655
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,920
just so repelled by, like, he's
so good in it, but maybe we're

656
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,760
just like so disliked him that
that they resisted voting for

657
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520
him.
While Tommy Lee Jones is the

658
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,840
antagonist of this movie, but is
also is such had like has such a

659
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:04,560
insane charisma.
Is so like watchable the like

660
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,080
every second he is on screen,
like in a way that like he

661
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560
almost shouldn't be.
It's like you're almost rooting

662
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,160
for him because he's the hero of
a different movie.

663
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Like you could if you cut out
the Ford scenes.

664
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,880
Tommy Lee Jones is just is just
the hero of a movie about

665
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,440
tracking down a a killer.
And it's called US Marshals.

666
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
He he he's so good.

667
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,400
They're like, we got to give
this guy another movie.

668
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,400
Yeah.
You know I Pete Postlethwaite.

669
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,720
I don't I don't see him with his
own spin off movie.

670
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,040
But yeah, it it, I do feel like
every so often you know the

671
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,120
Academy will be like you know
we're we're going to actually

672
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
and usually in the in the
supporting categories they're

673
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,040
like we're we're going to you
know toss a nomination to to you

674
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,520
know the kind of big populist
thing that doesn't normally get

675
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,880
recognition.
It's like we're we we're going

676
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,680
to nominate Johnny Depp for
playing Jack Sparrow.

677
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,120
We're going to nominate Robert
Downey Junior for Tropic

678
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Thunder.
Like, that kind of thing.

679
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:19,000
And and look, it happened here
and it and it won.

680
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,160
But, but, and.
And and and hey, this was right

681
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,400
around the same time that Marisa
Tomei won for My Cousin Vinny,

682
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,360
and so maybe the Oscars were
just having fun in the early

683
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,360
90s.
I would say my My Cousin Vinny

684
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
very fun movie.
Yes.

685
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160
All right, guys, I think this is
a perfect time for us to press

686
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,960
pause and drink some whiskey.
Brad, what do you say we take a

687
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,920
trip to Owensboro, KY, to try
some Green River Rye?

688
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Let's get to it.
All right.

689
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,280
So today we are checking out
Green River, Kentucky Straight

690
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Rye Whiskey.
Now we have had Green River

691
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,520
products on the show before.
I think last season, Brad or or

692
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,760
end of the prior season, we
tried both their original

693
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,960
bourbon and their weeded
bourbon, which I think we should

694
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,160
probably bring back and do full
reviews of those on a regular

695
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,200
episode, 'cause we do that kind
of abbreviated thing on bonus

696
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040
episodes sometimes.
But these are major releases

697
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,000
that are widely available and
they're really affordable, and I

698
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,160
think we should probably just
kind of like, give them the

699
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,080
reviews that they deserve.
Yeah, and so do the entire trio.

700
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Yeah.
And so we're starting today with

701
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440
this brand new release.
It just officially became

702
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,880
available on February 1st.
And Brad, I I have to admit, I I

703
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,600
kind of jumped the gun a little
bit on this one.

704
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,840
I got a bottle in the mail and
immediately took a picture and

705
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,080
put it on Instagram.
And I heard very quickly from

706
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,720
their PR representative that
this was still under embargo and

707
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,800
that I need to take it down
immediately, so.

708
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,160
I put that thing back where it
came from or so help me.

709
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
I'm very sorry, Green River, but
we waited an appropriate amount

710
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,480
of time and our review is
posting now, so I still haven't

711
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,680
tried it.
I've been waiting for this

712
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,200
moment.
We have a a deep affection with

713
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,840
Green River because the master
distiller at Green River is

714
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,320
Aaron Harris, who used to be the
head distiller at Watershed in

715
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,400
Columbus, and we struck up a
really good relationship with

716
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,120
him when he got named their head
distiller at Green River.

717
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,800
I couldn't have been happier.
And so everything that comes out

718
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,320
of Green River, I'm like my guy
Aaron Harris, thank you for

719
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,280
this.
Yeah, I'm I'm really excited to

720
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,240
get into this one today, Bob.
So it's labeled as a straight

721
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,120
rye whiskey, but everything in
here is at least four years old.

722
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,920
It's a blend of four to six year
old barrels.

723
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,800
It's bottled at 95 proof and the
mash bill is 95% rye, 5% malted

724
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,920
barley.
Everything in this bottle was

725
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,400
distilled, aged and bottled at
the Green River Distillery, and

726
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,280
MSRP on this bad boy is only
$35.

727
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,840
Brad, you love to see it.
Yeah, it's it's like a 90 minute

728
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,360
movie.
I was just going to say like

729
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
there's nothing better than when
you see the runtime of a movie

730
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,000
is like 93 minutes and there's
nothing better than when you see

731
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,280
an MSRP of $35.
Yeah, 3499 is often a really

732
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,000
nice value point where they've
put enough into the craft that

733
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,360
they're not going to charge in
the 20 range, but it's not going

734
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,280
to cost you a pretty penny.
So a lot of there's a lot of

735
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
whiskeys in that $35 range that
I'm a big fan of.

736
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,920
Now, before we dive into the
liquid itself, let's talk a

737
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,440
little bit about this bottle.
It is a really, really cool

738
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,120
bottle.
Very hefty.

739
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,400
I feel like you could really
just bludgeon someone with this

740
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,680
thing if you wanted to.
If only Harrison Ford's wife had

741
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,240
had a bottle of this on the
night stand, things would have

742
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,800
turned out different.
She could have clocked him real

743
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,160
good.
It is a horseshoe shaped bottle.

744
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,160
It it's like AI don't know, it's
still cylindrical, but it's in

745
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,000
the shape of a horseshoe and the
flat part of the horseshoe is

746
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,240
the front of the bottle.
It's just really cool looking.

747
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:04,000
I think they do a great job with
their design and their packaging

748
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,560
and that's always worth noting,
especially when you're debating

749
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,320
like whether to buy a bottle or
not and you're not entirely sure

750
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400
about what's inside of it.
It's always cool to have

751
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,000
something to look at, if nothing
else.

752
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,360
Yeah.
And it's it's very grabbable

753
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,840
there.
There's something about the the

754
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,760
shape that just feels nice.
To grab Girthy.

755
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,720
Yeah.
Hey, all right, man, Let's go

756
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,880
ahead and dive in here.
What are you picking up on the?

757
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,440
All sorts of girth Bob.
Girth and viscosity.

758
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,080
Yeah, this nose is pretty nice.
It's got a lot of rice spice

759
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,640
coming through very quickly.
I got some really really

760
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,400
pleasant vanilla bean notes and
then the the longer I sat with

761
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,920
it the more it it almost felt
like a little bit like an over

762
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,360
ripe Peach.
Like not not quite sickly sweet,

763
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,360
but definitely on the end of
like yeah, I don't know if I'm

764
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,760
going to eat this or not I I
think it's a decent nose.

765
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,640
I'll I'll give it a 7 out of 10
here.

766
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Yeah, I think for me, the bright
notes are what really stand out

767
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,320
on this.
This reminds me of like a

768
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,440
children's apple juice box.
And not, like, the really,

769
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,360
really sweet ones, but like,
yeah, once in a while when we're

770
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,840
on the road, we have to stop
somewhere.

771
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,040
My wife wants a coffee, We'll
stop at a Starbucks.

772
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,160
And they have like, bougie juice
boxes that are like, no sugar

773
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,720
added or whatever.
And it's the it's just a little

774
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,720
more tart apple juice.
But it really does smell like

775
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,920
apple juice.
I get a ton of green apple on

776
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,440
this.
I like it a lot, Brad, But I'm

777
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,440
not even getting a lot of rye
spice on this.

778
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,840
I'm just getting really bright
fruit, almost like Jelly Bean,

779
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,080
you know, like lemon, lime, kind
of notes on this.

780
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,400
It's really nice.
I just don't know where it's

781
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,240
going to go from here.
So I'm I'm going to be at a 7.5

782
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,440
out of 10 on the nose.
Yeah.

783
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,560
And as we moved into the palate,
it really had the flavor of a

784
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,560
young rye for me.
I was a little surprised, Bob.

785
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,360
I I was hoping for a little bit
more out of the flavor.

786
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,280
I did get some black pepper.
It had some like fresh wheat

787
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,800
bread kind of feel to it the
longer I spent with it.

788
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,480
There was some caramel drizzle,
but overall there wasn't quite

789
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,880
enough flavor for me to be
really pumped.

790
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Here I give it a 6 1/2 out of
10.

791
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,640
I can see where you're getting
tripped up by this one, because

792
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,080
I'm also getting tripped up.
I'm not getting the same notes

793
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,960
you are, but at the front of my
pallet to the mid pallet is

794
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,120
really really bright fruit.
Still like it's a it's just a

795
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,240
lot of green apple on this and
and not like a green apple

796
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:40,400
sucker like just tart Granny
Smith apple.

797
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,640
Reminds me of a little bit of
like some of the notes we get on

798
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,000
like blended Scotch and as it
goes to the back of the pallet I

799
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,280
don't get a lot of rice spice.
It gets kind of bitter and not

800
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,880
oaky bitter, but like almost
like a malt kind of bitter to

801
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,240
it.
And it drinks more like a

802
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,840
bourbon in terms of the
mouthfeel, in terms of the the

803
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,240
type of burn that I'm used to
getting, the the interplay

804
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,280
between the grains and the oak.
It just doesn't really drink

805
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,920
like a rye.
It drinks like a bourbon that

806
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,240
has notes of Scotch or Irish
whiskey on the front of the

807
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,280
pallet.
So it's really interesting to

808
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,400
me.
I don't think this is

809
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,760
unpleasant, but I'm really
struggling to figure out how to

810
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,320
score it because it's a rye.
Should I score it as a rye or

811
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,920
should I just score it as a
whiskey?

812
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,920
I think I'll go ahead and give
it a 7 out of 10, with the

813
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,040
caveat that like, this just does
not really taste that much like

814
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,000
rye.
Yeah, it it's it's kind of an

815
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,680
oddball Bob, that that's kind of
where I'm at.

816
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,160
Especially when I got to the
finish, the rye kind of fell

817
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:49,360
away from me and I got some like
saltine cracker with like, have

818
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,960
you ever had bubble gum that's
kind of old and dusty?

819
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,440
Have I ever had bubble gum?
Yeah, of course, man.

820
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,520
It kind of tastes like a a stick
of gum that sat in your car for

821
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,840
a little bit too long and like
baked in 90�� weather one too

822
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,880
many times.
And then also got frozen over

823
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,480
those Ohio winters and it's just
yes, well.

824
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,680
Seasoned.
Yes.

825
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Well seasoned.
Bubble gum.

826
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,720
It's not a bad finish, but it's
not what I'm going to write home

827
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,720
about.
I'll stick it a 6 1/2 here.

828
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,960
Man, I am.
I'm kind of jealous of your

829
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,000
palate today because you're
picking up on a lot of different

830
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,640
things here.
Like I, you know, again, I don't

831
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,760
know that I would necessarily
call this complex, but for me, I

832
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,600
would go so far as to say this
is almost like one note in terms

833
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,840
of what I'm getting on my
tasting notes.

834
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,800
It's just green apple all the
way through and it's a much

835
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,480
spicier green apple on the
finish.

836
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,240
And I get some oak notes and I
get some of that kind of raw

837
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:50,760
malted grain here, but it's like
there's just Granny Smith apple

838
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,640
all over this thing.
It's kind of nice that it's this

839
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,640
consistent, but I'm just not
getting a lot of depth on this

840
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,040
one right now.
I'm wondering like after a

841
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160
couple years of producing this,
if as these barrels age and

842
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,200
mature, what kind of character
this is going to take on?

843
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,520
Because to me, it doesn't taste
young the way it did to you,

844
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,400
Brad.
It just, it just isn't very

845
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,280
complex.
So I'm going to give it a 6.5 on

846
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
the finish that takes us to
balance where I'm going to give

847
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,960
this a 7 out of 10.
Once again, you know, it might,

848
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,120
it may be one note, but that
note is really consistent

849
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,840
throughout.
Brad, where are you falling on

850
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,160
balance?
6 Out of 10 There's just kind of

851
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,080
a lot going on here.
And it's it feels like an

852
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,000
oddball and oddity in the world
of rye whiskey, which isn't a

853
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000
bad thing.
It just didn't hit a home run

854
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,440
for me.
And if you are a whiskey novice

855
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,680
out there, if you ever hear
somebody say I'm jealous of your

856
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,120
palate, what they're really
saying is I'm questioning your

857
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,680
palate.
No, I'm just saying you're not

858
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,200
questioning your palate.
I'm just like, man, Brad's

859
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,920
getting a lot on this.
Maybe it's something I ate today

860
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,680
or or something else, but I'm
just not picking up a ton here

861
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,120
that takes us to our value
score.

862
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,240
Like we said, this is a $35
bottle of whiskey.

863
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,680
About a year ago, Brad, we had
Andre Houston Mack on the show

864
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,640
to promote his new brand called
Rye and Sons and that has really

865
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,800
been my go to affordable rye
since then.

866
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,040
We don't try a ton of rye on the
show, like significantly less

867
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,840
than either bourbon or Scotch I
would say.

868
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,000
And so that one's still kind of
fresh on my mind.

869
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,640
And I think that that one had
like a $2829 price point and it

870
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,760
just had such a depth and
complexity to it at that price

871
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,120
point that I think it's really
going to hurt this one that

872
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,800
we're reviewing today because
this one's 6-7 dollars more

873
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,080
expensive.
And I think that is it a really

874
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,600
good mixer?
Absolutely.

875
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,120
I mean, it stands up on its own.
It's just like you can only

876
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,720
really drink it if you're in the
mood for rye with notes of Green

877
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,520
Apple for me at least.
So I'm just going to give this a

878
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,520
six out of 10 on value.
I don't think it's overpriced by

879
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,160
any means.
I just think there are better

880
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,600
options at the price point.
Yeah, I I'm in the exact same

881
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,600
boat, Bob.
I I give it a 5 1/2.

882
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,480
I think that there are just
enough other whiskey options at

883
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,880
this price point as well as as
you just said specifically rye

884
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,280
options.
I I think that you can get other

885
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,080
things.
I mean even I think the Woodford

886
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:30,920
Reserve Rye I want to say is in
the 35 to $38 range and that's

887
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,320
that's a really good rye, Bob.
So this one I'll give a 5 1/2 on

888
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,360
value.
I don't think it's overpriced,

889
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
Bob.
I'm coming to a 31.5 out of 50

890
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,840
here.
I'm at a 34 out of 50, so I'm

891
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,280
just a few points higher than
you.

892
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:54,280
That takes us to just a 65.5 out
of 100 or a 32.75 out of 50.

893
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,800
Now, I will say that seems just
a hair low for me when I look

894
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,880
at, just numerically, the things
that we've scored in this range.

895
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,560
This is a very pleasant whiskey
and I think sometimes we use the

896
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,120
term inoffensive to be a little
nicer than we intend to be.

897
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,160
But like, there's nothing wrong
with this whiskey.

898
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,960
I think it's better than a lot
of the mixed or the blended

899
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,920
scotches that we've tried
recently that we've given

900
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,160
similar scores to.
I would give it a thumbs up.

901
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,280
I would say try it.
I would say even if you, you

902
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,840
know, if you're in a pinch, buy
it.

903
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,480
I'd like just don't expect to be
blown away at $35 like you're

904
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:34,160
getting a very reasonably priced
rye and your expectations should

905
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,480
be set right there and no higher
than that.

906
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,600
Yeah, Bob, you said it all.
This is a a solid ride that

907
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,560
needs a little bit of
improvement, but at $35 I I

908
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,000
think you kind of know what
you're getting into.

909
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,840
All right, man.
Well, from this reasonably

910
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,480
priced ride to a movie that
we've already established was

911
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,040
reasonably priced.
Let's get back into talking

912
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,040
about The Fugitive.
What do you say, Brad?

913
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:05,160
Let's get to it, Bob.
All right, everybody.

914
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,120
That was Green River Rye.
A whiskey that I wish lived up

915
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,320
to the level of the fugitive.
It was good, but it was not the

916
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,160
fugitive good.
I was going to say.

917
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,880
You know what I'm.
Saying it was not great like and

918
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,960
The Fugitive is truly a capital
G great film.

919
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,720
Can I just throw out more great
things about the fugitive?

920
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Please.
Yeah, I'll.

921
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,640
Just list them.
OK, well well so I'm, I'm, I'm,

922
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,280
I'm trying to go back to like
early on in the movie.

923
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,400
So I I think one of the one of
the great pleasures of this

924
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,360
movie is just watching Harrison
Ford's like, thought process of

925
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,280
like how he is.
You know, how he is making

926
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,600
choices.
Like like how he is both evading

927
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,480
capture and trying to, you know,
piece together clues and solve

928
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,760
this mystery.
And he's smart.

929
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,080
And he's like, he's making
choices that like, like, like

930
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,640
this is not a case where
someone's making, like dumb

931
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,080
decisions and you're like, Oh
no, don't do that.

932
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,320
If anything, like everything he
does, you're just like, oh,

933
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,720
yeah, oh, oh, good move, good
move.

934
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:21,880
Oh, oh that.
That's cool.

935
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,280
And and also Tommy Lee Jones is
really smart and really good at

936
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,480
his job.
And the fact that the two of

937
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,200
them come face to face so early
in the movie and he basically

938
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,600
catches him like, you know, by
like the 40 minute mark of the

939
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,200
movie.
It does, yes.

940
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,360
Just in a way where like if
you're watching it for the first

941
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,840
time, you're just like, wait,
wait, wait.

942
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,520
But but this movie is like 2
plus hours long.

943
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,120
How is he going to get out of
this?

944
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,760
And and like there's something
like because you think he's

945
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,640
smart.
He's like, OK, you know, ditches

946
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,440
the prison jumpsuit, snatches
those coveralls, goes to the

947
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,880
hospital.
He knows how to navigate those.

948
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,560
Really clever go went into the
the, the bathroom, the, the, the

949
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,080
guy in the coma, you know, he
steals his food, shaves his

950
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,600
beard, all of this stuff.
And then that that prison guard,

951
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,280
who he, whose life he saved,
spots him.

952
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,080
Suddenly they are on his tail so
fast, they were already like,

953
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,360
checking the hospitals in the
area.

954
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,480
Because I'm Lee Jones was a
smart and it's like, hey, check

955
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,840
the hospitals.
He'll probably go to one of

956
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,200
those.
Like everything everyone does is

957
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,920
like what someone who's like,
really smart and an expert in

958
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,480
that field would do.
It's like makes it a joy to

959
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,720
watch.
It makes it the most perfect

960
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,080
like game of cat and mouse that
has ever been put on film.

961
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Yeah, I mean other.
Yeah, up there with, like, heat.

962
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:04,760
Yeah.
And that's the that's the great

963
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,600
dynamic is that they are both
one step ahead of everyone else

964
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,560
except each other.
And and so you have all these

965
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,280
audience surrogates like Joey
Pants, like ponytail guy, what's

966
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,680
his name Noah, I think who's
just constantly asking like why

967
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,920
are we doing this And then he
has to explain and it's great

968
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,040
because as the audience half the
time I'm like, I need I need

969
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,680
some explanation here Tommy Lee
Jones.

970
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,760
But it's it's so again, it's so
economical at setting up how

971
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,480
they are perfect adversaries for
each other because they

972
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,840
understand each other's psyche
so, so well.

973
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,720
Can I just say really quick
about Joey?

974
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Joey Pants.
Yes, we're calling him, seeing

975
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,600
him with hair.
I just am so familiar with bald

976
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,320
matrix Joey Pantilioni that,
like, it would be like if I

977
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,480
watched a Patrick H Williams
video and you had hair for some

978
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,160
reason.
It was like a flashback too

979
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,960
early in your life.
I would be like, wait, is that?

980
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Is that Patrick?
But not just a second, a

981
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,080
moderate amount of hair either.
Like, it's not like he's, he's

982
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,560
balding, He's got, I mean he's
so much very thick mane.

983
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:22,520
Well, the man made a lot of
movies in the 90s and you know,

984
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,160
he's got hair in most.
I mean, actually in the 80s.

985
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Risky business.
The man has had a career.

986
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,600
Yeah.
Well Brad, I I had a perfect

987
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,880
segue set up, but now I I need
to talk about my male pattern

988
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,160
baldness and your lack of it to
segue us.

989
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,760
But I was going to say something
about perfect adversaries

990
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,480
because it is time for our next
segment, which we call 2 facts

991
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,040
and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

992
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,560
your ball to our right and what
is wrong?

993
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,680
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and A Falsehood is the part of

994
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,640
the show where Brad presents me
with three items about the

995
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,560
making of this film.
He presents them as fact.

996
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,200
One of them is a complete lie
that he is made-up and I have to

997
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:12,120
suss out which one is the lie.
Brad right now I am sitting at

998
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,600
3:00 and 2:00 on the season.
I am just hovering over the

999
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,040
precipice of 500 right now.
I need to kind of dig my way out

1000
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,480
a little bit.
I'm.

1001
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,840
I'm a little concerned because
we've taken.

1002
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,840
We had a week off from
recording.

1003
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,160
We were so far ahead that you
have now had at least seven full

1004
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,680
days to come up with your two
facts and a falsehood, and I

1005
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,240
have done absolutely no
research.

1006
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,640
So hit me with your two facts
and a falsehood, and prepare for

1007
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:43,480
your inevitable victory.
Fact #1 Harrison Ford damaged

1008
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,120
some ligaments in his leg during
the filming of the scene in the

1009
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,760
woods.
He refused to take surgery until

1010
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,800
the end of filming so that his
character would keep the limp.

1011
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,200
Fact #2, the production crew
struggled to create the bus

1012
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,760
wreck scene and actually had to
reshoot the train running into

1013
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,680
the bus because the train was
going much faster than they

1014
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,360
expected in the first shooting.
Fact #3.

1015
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,720
The film was shot in 73 days and
had one of the fastest turn

1016
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,920
around times of its era for post
production schedule and as a

1017
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,560
result, the film was pushed up
to a release date in August of

1018
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:24,120
1993.
I have heard fact #1 before.

1019
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,400
Whether it's an urban legend or
not, I don't think Brad made it

1020
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,480
up and that's what the point of
this game is.

1021
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,240
So I I think that is true.
But that would also suggest they

1022
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,440
filmed it in chronological, like
in sequential order, which is

1023
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,320
not common to do. #2 and #3 both
sound kind of plausible.

1024
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Brad, you've done a good job
today.

1025
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,680
Thank you, Sir.
Which is why I'm relying on

1026
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,240
Patrick here.
Now when we have a guest on,

1027
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,680
typically the way this works is
if I enlist, the guests help.

1028
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,560
If we win, I still only get one
win in the win column.

1029
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,600
If we lose, I get 2 losses
because it's it needs to just be

1030
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,000
that much more embarrassing.
Bob, I don't think you need to

1031
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,880
bring me in on this.
I I'm just going to tell you I

1032
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:22,560
don't have any great insight.
I think you'll do just fine even

1033
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,560
just guessing on your own.
I don't want to give you a

1034
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,240
second loss.
Is this because you think that

1035
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,040
the falsehood is so obvious, or
just that you can't?

1036
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,680
Help me.
No, no, no no no it's not.

1037
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,320
I just, I'm, I'm honestly not
sure.

1038
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,480
All right.
It's it's it's.

1039
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,640
Wait, can you read the second
one for me again?

1040
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,360
Fact #2 The production crew
struggled to create the bus

1041
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,080
wreck scene and actually had to
reshoot the train running into

1042
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,560
the bus because the train was
going much too fast in the first

1043
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,200
shooting.
Yeah, I don't.

1044
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,280
I I I don't know, Bob, you're on
your own.

1045
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,160
Yeah, I find that it's kind of
like ripping a Band-Aid off.

1046
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,560
Like in these situations I need
to just go with my gut and not

1047
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,960
dilly dally.
I have no basis.

1048
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,960
Last time I was here and I
helped you with one, I was wrong

1049
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:19,040
and So what do I now?
I have no basis for believing

1050
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,840
this.
I'm going to say two is the

1051
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:27,680
falsehood final answer.
Final answer, Bob was absolutely

1052
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,080
correct.
Hey.

1053
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,880
You nailed it, man.
Way to go.

1054
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,880
I was going to say if anything,
I would think the train was

1055
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,520
going too slow, like they don't
usually have runaway trains on

1056
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,280
movie sets that they can't
control.

1057
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,920
I was also wondering if that was
done with like miniatures.

1058
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,720
Yeah, that, I mean that that
whole sequence I think is like

1059
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,760
incredibly well staged in terms
of like, you know, like when

1060
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,960
they have, when they have a
stuntman, but you've got the

1061
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,800
money shot of like Harrison
Ford.

1062
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,400
Jumping.
With the things colliding and so

1063
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,280
it it it's can we talk about
Andrew Davis for a minute?

1064
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,760
Yeah, the director of this movie
who I was looking at his

1065
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,160
filmography the other day and he
has directed some certified

1066
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,960
bangers, famously under siege
with Steven Seagal.

1067
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,280
That's one of his films.
However, he didn't really hang

1068
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,520
around too long in terms of the
popularity.

1069
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,560
I guess he made a movie in the
late 90s which was another to be

1070
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,400
watch of mine Brad called A
Perfect Murder.

1071
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,280
We've mentioned that show or
that movie on this show before

1072
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,680
because it was a remake of Dial
M for Murder.

1073
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,360
Yes.
And it was just OK.

1074
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,640
You may remember him, Brad from
his.

1075
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,960
Should be better.
Yes, you may remember him from

1076
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,120
his adaptation of the book Holes
with Shia LaBeouf.

1077
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Yeah, OK.
But again, I like I.

1078
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,840
Was going to say I I looked him
up as I was writing my little

1079
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,640
script at the start of the show.
I had never heard of him before.

1080
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,000
So Andrew Davis interests me.
I was thinking about him

1081
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,600
recently because I I I recently
watched The Running Man for the

1082
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:11,280
first time and Andrew Davis was
the original director on The

1083
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Running Man.
And when they were like early in

1084
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,840
production, when they were like
running like a week behind

1085
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,640
schedule or so, the studio fired
him and replaced him with a guy

1086
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,360
who played Starsky on Starsky
and Hutch and so as.

1087
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,240
You do?
Yeah, and like, I thought the

1088
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,640
Running Man was fun.
But, you know, knowing that

1089
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,520
Andrew Davis would, you know, a
few years later, direct The

1090
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,800
Fugitive, the ultimate Running
Man movie.

1091
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,960
I I was wondering, thinking like
he seems really like the guy for

1092
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:54,760
this site and he really strikes
me as just one of those very

1093
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,280
competent journeyman directors
alongside, you know, like a

1094
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:05,320
Martin Campbell that with with
the right script can like

1095
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,360
totally knock it out of the
park.

1096
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,320
But also is it like, like this
is not a movie, Like if

1097
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,120
anything, The Fugitive is like a
movie to like refute auteur

1098
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,080
theory.
Because it's like who who's the

1099
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,400
who's the auteur?
Like in this you got, you got

1100
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,720
David Twowhee adapting, you
know, an old TV show.

1101
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,320
You got a director who's who's
mostly done, like he did like a,

1102
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,360
like a Chuck Dorris movie and a
Steven Seagal movie who seems

1103
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,360
like just a kind of like B
action guy.

1104
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,920
And then he just fucking nails
everything.

1105
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:53,280
Like, I mean it's the kind of
movie where, yeah, it's not like

1106
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,360
a visually stylish movie and
there aren't like like oh

1107
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,280
beautiful shots that you're
you're thinking about

1108
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:06,520
afterwards.
But also at no point are you

1109
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,840
even thinking about the
filmmaking, which I think is

1110
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,880
like a credit to the movie.
Like I it it's like it is shot

1111
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,920
so cleanly, so efficiently.
Every scene is propulsive.

1112
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,560
The the the filmmaking is like
you.

1113
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,600
The geography makes sense.
You know what's going on.

1114
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,640
It never gets in the way.
It tells the story efficiently

1115
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,960
and does what it needs to do and
gets out of the way.

1116
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,560
And I and I, I wouldn't change a
thing about it.

1117
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,000
And it's funny because have you
guys seen the movie Chain

1118
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,720
Reaction?
No.

1119
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,960
I have not.
So it's a movie that he made a

1120
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:51,360
few years later that is
basically the same movie.

1121
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:59,000
It is a Chicago set fugitive
thriller with Keanu Reeves and

1122
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,640
Morgan Freeman.
I'm really wondering if Andrew

1123
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880
Davis is a big Chicago guy
because both of these movies

1124
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,160
involve like chase scenes and
like major Chicago landmarks.

1125
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:16,359
It is not very good.
It's not terrible and it's one

1126
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,760
of those movies from like the
80s or 90s where you know, it's

1127
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:25,080
like, you know it like games, a
star watching it now because

1128
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,319
it's like, well, it's not very
good, but they just don't make

1129
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,200
things like this anymore and and
it looks like a real movie and I

1130
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,880
just miss that.
So it's one of those, and it it

1131
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,760
it's just a case where it's
like, oh, he just, you know, he

1132
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,800
just didn't have like the script
that he had for The fugitive.

1133
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:48,120
And I wish he did, but but yeah,
just one of those guys that no

1134
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,880
one ever talks about.
And I do wonder what would like

1135
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,399
if, if given the right material,
could he have been like he he

1136
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:05,240
wouldn't be this good, but like
could he have been like the guy

1137
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,479
that you hire when John
Mctiernan turns a movie down?

1138
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,439
He could have had what Yon de
Bond had, right?

1139
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,880
I I, I mean, what happened to
yon de Bond?

1140
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,760
He's like the the greatest
cinematographer ever.

1141
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,359
Like I I I will never not be
obsessed with that, that handful

1142
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:32,640
of American movies he shot.
Then he starts his directing

1143
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,319
career with speed.
Perfect Like era.

1144
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:42,080
Defining masterpiece.
And like then OK, I I haven't

1145
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,279
seen Twister since I was a kid.
But it was an enormous

1146
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,680
blockbuster.
Got a ride at Universal Studios

1147
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,240
and then I guess made speed too
and just lost it forever.

1148
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,240
That's how you know you've made
it when you have a ride at

1149
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:03,480
Universal Studios.
Yes, featuring the single least

1150
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:06,000
enthusiastic Bill Paxton
performance of all time.

1151
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,760
Brad, I know you want to talk
about Andrew Davis a little bit

1152
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,960
more.
I I, I also have this to say.

1153
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,120
I think Patrick is on to
something here and I'm watching

1154
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:22,200
this movie and wondering what is
the hallmark of an Andrew Davis

1155
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,920
film.
Like, I've only seen a couple of

1156
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,640
his movies, but to your point,
Patrick, like there's no visual

1157
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,880
cues to really pick up on that
would tip you off to somebody

1158
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,280
with a certain aesthetic behind
the camera.

1159
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,800
It is very much a journeyman
director.

1160
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,000
But I also wonder, it seems like
the Academy kind of had the same

1161
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,720
inner debate that I was having
because he does not get

1162
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,520
nominated for Best Director for
this movie.

1163
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,440
The movie gets a Best Picture
nomination, but I wonder how

1164
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,320
much of this was made in the
edit.

1165
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,720
Because again, like when I'm
when I'm trying to figure out

1166
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,960
what a director's doing, like
one of the first things you're

1167
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,800
going to look to is is stylistic
things behind the camera.

1168
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,920
And I got to be honest with you
guys, this movie is very flat

1169
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,840
looking.
Like even the lighting of this

1170
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,200
film, it it looks much more like
an episode of NYPD Blue that

1171
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,880
looks like a movie to me.
And the point of comparison that

1172
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,960
I kept making was Clint
Eastwood's film In the Line of

1173
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,760
Fire, which came out the same
year as this and which I watched

1174
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,080
for the first time in the past
year.

1175
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,120
Brad, like today is a
convergence of a bunch of to be

1176
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,600
movies.
For me that movie is it's just

1177
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,080
impeccably shot, impeccably lit.
It's a really, really great

1178
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,240
looking early 90s action
thriller.

1179
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,240
This movie was shot by the
cinematographer Michael Chapman,

1180
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,040
who worked with Scorsese for a
number of years, Who shot

1181
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,440
Goodfellas?
Who shot Raging Bull.

1182
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,240
Like if you had told me that
immediately after I turned this

1183
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,000
movie off, I would not have
believed you.

1184
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
And so when you get into the
whole like rushed production

1185
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,560
schedule thing in your two facts
and a falsehood, Brad, I believe

1186
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:59,120
it because I don't see a lot of
like visual creativity happening

1187
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,920
here.
Honestly, it makes me think of

1188
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,720
something like Minority Report
about a decade later, where

1189
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,520
that, you know, it's a similar
type of film but you can like on

1190
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,840
a second watch through you can
you can go, oh, this is a

1191
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,080
Spielberg film, you know what I
mean?

1192
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,840
Like, there's certain cues that
you're talking about Bob, that

1193
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,800
clue you in, hey, this is Steve
behind the camera.

1194
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,560
It's.
It's pretty obvious.

1195
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:29,320
I mean, I think Minority Report
is in a specially stylish movie,

1196
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,680
you know, I mean it's it's got
the sequence where Spielberg

1197
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:38,160
basically like does De Palma
where he has like the like

1198
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,480
bird's eye shot moving through
the apartment building and all

1199
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,520
of that.
Like he's got the bleach bypass,

1200
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:52,080
blue tinted look on all of it.
I mean, it's a thing like I this

1201
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,160
is not a stylish movie, this is
not a visually attractive movie.

1202
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,080
But again, it's also one of
these things where I'm like, I'm

1203
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,480
not sure I'd really change it.
I think the totally functional

1204
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:08,120
just like, OK, I think that I
think about a lot and I, I, I

1205
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,120
have no big take on it.
But do you ever think about how

1206
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:17,200
even if it like you know,
regardless of like who actors

1207
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,200
are, are like knowing anything
about the movie itself.

1208
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,880
You can kind of tell what decade
a movie is shot in simply by

1209
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,800
looking at it.
It's like based on like the film

1210
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:36,840
stocks are based on.
Just like whatever aesthetics

1211
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,440
were like, you know, in vogue at
the time.

1212
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,680
How good or bad the CGI is?
I mean, I mean that's that's the

1213
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,920
really easy giveaway.
But I think there is a very like

1214
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,600
when we're talking like
mainstream like Hollywood studio

1215
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:57,400
movies, there is a look to a 90s
movie and a lot of the time it's

1216
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,280
like no, even though it's all
shot on film, like no film

1217
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:08,040
grain, often a very kind of like
warm like almost amber look to

1218
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,760
things, you know, you look at.
You know, like a perfect example

1219
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:17,120
is something like By A Few Good
Men, shot by Robert Richardson,

1220
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,080
which is just it's like that's
what a a Hollywood movie looks

1221
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:29,520
like in like 92 And The Fugitive
is kind of the the gritty

1222
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,880
version of a big Hollywood
studio film.

1223
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,440
It looks like a 90s movie.
It looks like like an expensive

1224
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,640
90s movie, except it doesn't
have like any of the gloss that

1225
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:48,240
it's like contemporaries did.
And and yeah, I believe that it

1226
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,760
was shot fast, like maybe a rush
production.

1227
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,200
Probably like minimal fancy
lighting.

1228
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,280
Probably a lot of Steadicam and
handheld work not like

1229
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:08,880
complicated Dolly track setups.
And and look it's it's, it's

1230
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,080
it's like the characters in
these in this movie.

1231
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,240
It like it does the job and
moves fast.

1232
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,560
Yeah, as I thought more and more
about Andrew Davis directing

1233
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,800
this, I the comparison for me
director wise, this kind of

1234
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:28,560
reminds me of like a Rob Reiner
type of movie where Rob can just

1235
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,520
enter into these different
genres and give a banger of a

1236
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,920
movie, right.
A few good men you mentioned,

1237
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,160
but when misery.
When he has a good script, like

1238
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,000
it's very similar to the Andrew
Davis thing.

1239
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,600
Like when you've got the
structurally perfect script,

1240
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,040
robs your guy.
Yeah, exactly.

1241
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,520
But yeah, it just like because
there was a time when we had a

1242
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:56,160
ton of directors like that who
you know, we're like Guns for

1243
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:00,240
Hire who could direct and knew
how to handle a bunch of

1244
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,880
different genres.
And and they were just very

1245
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,800
skilled like Craftsman.
But they, you know, they were

1246
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:13,720
not going to have like like film
courses taught on their

1247
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,600
filmographies.
And yeah, we don't have those

1248
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,000
anymore.
You know we we used to have a

1249
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:26,280
lot of Richard Donners and and
now we don't and and and and now

1250
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,160
if it's why like we we all have
to just hold up like James

1251
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:34,200
Mangold as like the only person
kind of doing that.

1252
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,240
Yeah, but again, James Mangold,
responsible for some bangers

1253
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,560
Walk the Line is an all time
favorite of mine.

1254
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,920
So there you go.
I I like Mangold.

1255
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:44,760
Yeah.
I I I don't.

1256
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,640
I don't love every movie he's
done.

1257
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,720
But but I'm I'm just like, yeah,
I like that he's doing this and

1258
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:57,360
I wish we had like 10 to 15 more
people.

1259
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,720
Basically you know what who who
like mangled turns it down.

1260
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:09,080
Get this other person.
OK, guys, I want to return to

1261
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,160
the end of this film, but very
briefly before we get into that,

1262
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,880
Patrick, you've been talking
about the Chicago setting of

1263
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,080
this movie.
This movie is full of some great

1264
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,240
Chicago Isms, perhaps none
better than represented by the

1265
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:26,920
the two like police chief and
deputy from the CPD that are in

1266
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,800
this film.
One of them.

1267
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,080
One of whom at the end of the
movie, I think it's like the

1268
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:36,080
deputy character has the just
the thickest Chicago accent.

1269
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,480
And I I took note that he goes
as soon as you got a clean shot,

1270
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,360
you take him out and he says it
just like that.

1271
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,640
This is the guy with the glasses
and the big mustache.

1272
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,800
Oh yeah, the guy that looks like
he came from that SNL Duh Bear

1273
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,800
skit.
I I was fully expecting to see

1274
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,320
to hear him just go you hear
about duh bears.

1275
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,960
Did you see the bears on Sunday.
I just like like at any point

1276
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:06,200
look and few things delight me
more in movies then way when

1277
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:11,040
they shoot on location and they
cast regional actors and this

1278
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,480
movie Fargo does it.
Perfect example.

1279
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:20,440
I mean look this is a movie they
like the honest I look here I

1280
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:24,800
was going to say as as an Irish
person this is the single best

1281
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,160
Saint Patrick's Day movie ever
made.

1282
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:28,920
Is there a lot of competition?
No, there is not.

1283
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,440
But this is a movie that
utilizes the Chicago Saint

1284
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:37,240
Patrick's Day parade during a
major set piece.

1285
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:43,240
Harrison Ford's polls like a
leprechaun hat out of a trash

1286
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,000
can to blend in with a crowd.
What a town, yeah.

1287
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,040
Do movies get better than this?
No.

1288
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,080
They.
Don't they?

1289
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,800
Don't.
Well, the the thing about

1290
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,400
filming that was they actually
didn't like tell anybody they

1291
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,640
were doing that.
They just took a handheld out

1292
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,320
and Harrison Ford actually just
started walking in the parade

1293
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,480
and he basically said like,
nobody realized it was him.

1294
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,360
He was pulling off the
Incognito, hey, I'm on the run

1295
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,080
look so well and nobody realized
it was him.

1296
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:16,200
And I'm just like that feels so
Midwest and I love it.

1297
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,360
It also goes right back to us
talking about just like the look

1298
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,800
of the movie and how it was
shot.

1299
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,000
And it's like, yeah, that all
checks out.

1300
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,360
Yeah, all right.
The other Chicago guy note that

1301
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,880
I took down was the CPD chief,
who at one point says this is

1302
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,520
such a special investigation
that whoever catches him, I'm

1303
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,120
going to buy you a bottle of 12
year old Scotch.

1304
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,040
Now to be clear, in 1993 a
bottle of 12 year old Scotch was

1305
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,360
like 30 bucks like this.
This was not, this was not some

1306
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,600
grand gesture, but I love that
they make him a cheapskate.

1307
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,320
Like it's just a perfect little
character touch.

1308
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,520
Yep.
It's great and and also while

1309
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,440
we're talking about the CPD one
thing that I, I I'd actually

1310
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,840
forgotten about since I last
watched this that I I really

1311
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:08,920
love is that they they make a
pretty clear especially once

1312
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,640
doctor Richard Campbell returns
to Chicago that we kind of have

1313
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,320
like 2 forces against him.
I know there's the the ultimate

1314
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,160
villain, but there is Tommy Lee
Jones and his team of US

1315
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,480
Marshals and then there is the
Chicago PD.

1316
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,840
And and, you know, those two
forces are like working together

1317
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,840
a lot of the time, but also they
have their own independent

1318
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:36,200
interests.
And and as Tommy Lee Jones is

1319
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:41,400
starting to see, you know, what,
like what he's doing with kind

1320
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,440
of like like putting together
this case and like, you know,

1321
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:48,840
solving the actual murder of his
wife and starting to realize

1322
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:54,480
like, oh, wait, this guy
actually probably is innocent To

1323
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,480
what I like they do is to
maintain the stakes is they keep

1324
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:03,360
the CPD there as like they have
like, just an actual grudge

1325
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,200
against him.
They're the ones who arrested

1326
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,840
him initially and like and
convicted him and don't want to

1327
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,200
be proven wrong.
And and and then you had the

1328
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,760
thing where the one armed man
shoots that one cop and now they

1329
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,200
think he's a cop killer.
And so it's like, look, even

1330
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,320
though like if Tommy Lee Jones
catches up with him, then things

1331
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,280
might be OK.
But if the CPD catches up with

1332
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,800
him, they will probably kill
him.

1333
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:33,480
And so it just like if you
didn't have the CPD there, I

1334
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,920
feel like the tension would
diminish as it goes on because

1335
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,720
it's like, well, Tommy Lee Jones
is getting more sympathetic and

1336
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,280
you know, I'm, you know, I bet
if he catches him, it'll all be

1337
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,000
OK.
And and the biggest thing is it

1338
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,040
doesn't feel like a plot
contrivance.

1339
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:52,400
Like like the the CPD feels
justified in their desire to

1340
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,760
kill him in the same way that it
feels justified that Tommy Lee

1341
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,400
Jones is beginning to believe
his story like that.

1342
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:01,640
Like none of it feels like it's
forced.

1343
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,880
All right guys, it's it's time
for my list of grievances with

1344
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,080
the end of this film.
A film.

1345
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,240
A film that I thoroughly enjoy
and will be giving a very high

1346
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:16,160
score to.
But but first among them is this

1347
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,160
the worst run US Marshall
investigation of all time And I

1348
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,720
ask that because.
As an expert on many US Marshall

1349
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,880
investigations, I'm going to say
no.

1350
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:31,080
Like Harrison Ford is just going
in and out of the same hospital

1351
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,640
100 times where where he has
many colleagues who instantly

1352
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,040
recognize him and hold
conversations with him.

1353
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,160
And then they show up hours
later and they're like, Oh yeah,

1354
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,320
I saw Richard Kimball.
He was just here like 20 minutes

1355
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:46,120
ago.
You didn't see him.

1356
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,720
Like why are they not keeping
people posted at this?

1357
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:56,280
Hospital, to be clear here, I
think he really only goes to the

1358
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,080
hospital that he worked at once.
He's going to a different

1359
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,320
hospital.
Most of the rest of the, like

1360
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,280
the one where Julianne Moore
works, is.

1361
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,960
That's not his hospital.
OK.

1362
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:07,640
OK.
That's fair.

1363
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:13,160
No, that's that's where like the
prosthetics, you know, Wing is

1364
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,760
and all that stuff.
He goes to to his old hospital

1365
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,440
once, he talks to like the guy
who has like the like liver

1366
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,600
samples or whatever, and he
talks to Jane Lynch and that's

1367
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,360
one visit.
OK, duly noted.

1368
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,000
One thing crossed off my.
Patrick Patrick is ready to.

1369
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,360
Scrag down these complaints.
The the ire in his eyes right

1370
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,920
now is palpable.
OK, here's my first question.

1371
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,000
I guess my second question since
first one got shot down.

1372
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,880
Is it ever actually established
how Harrison Ford knows that

1373
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,040
Nichols is giving a keynote
speech at this hotel?

1374
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,440
Because he like, he tells Jane
Lynch at one point.

1375
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,520
Like, I got to go see a friend
and then he's just kind of like

1376
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,840
on this train.
And so like, you don't really

1377
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
know where he's going until he's
already there, which, which is

1378
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,520
fine.
But I, I, I, I got you.

1379
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:13,920
So earlier when he called
Nichols on the phone, he's he's

1380
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,800
at the conference already like
this has been going on for

1381
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,000
several days.
Got it.

1382
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000
This is helpful information
because I didn't.

1383
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,720
I didn't remember him seeing
like a flyer or anything like

1384
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,920
that.
Yeah, because is it, You know,

1385
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,160
the part when Tommy Lee Jones
talks to Nichols, like in the

1386
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,440
hallway, like at a hotel, It's
the same place.

1387
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,320
He's he's just been there for
several days.

1388
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,080
So.
And also Harrison Ford, you

1389
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,720
know, Doctor Richard Kimball, he
works in this field.

1390
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,200
I think he just knows when the
conference has happened.

1391
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,800
OK, see.
Script.

1392
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,040
This gets me to my main point,
though, which is the movie is

1393
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,200
running not long, but like, it's
it's at the point where you say

1394
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,160
we need to end the movie now.
And I do think logic kind of

1395
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,800
goes out the window, especially
when it comes to the character

1396
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,040
of Nichols.
So this is Richard Kimball's

1397
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,640
colleague who is kind of the
mastermind who sold himself out

1398
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,960
to the pharmaceutical company
for a big kickback and has hired

1399
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,120
Sykes to go kill Harrison Ford's
wife.

1400
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,160
My main question.
Is I think he hired him to kill

1401
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,880
Harrison Ford.
Yes, and ends up killing his

1402
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,040
wife.
Yeah.

1403
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,960
Why does he choose to help
Harrison Ford after Harrison

1404
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:31,240
Ford is a fugitive like Ford
asks him on the phone.

1405
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:36,920
Hey, can you call up Bones at
the hospital and tell him to

1406
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,680
give me whatever I need?
And he says, Absolutely.

1407
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,720
And what Bones gives him is the
very incriminating evidence

1408
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,000
against himself in information
that he would only know that

1409
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Bones had.
Like, why not either refuse to

1410
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,440
give it to him and out yourself
as the villain, knowing that

1411
01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:59,000
Harrison Ford has no evidence
against you?

1412
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,240
Or like at the end of the movie
when Harrison Ford and him are

1413
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,000
like fist fighting in a hallway
and out on a roof and there's a

1414
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,280
helicopter, he's like very
clearly outing himself as the

1415
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,640
bad guy by hitting Harrison Ford
with a number of blunt objects.

1416
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,280
And like if if you're really
trying to get the attention off

1417
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,400
yourself, like why is he not
saying help me, help me.

1418
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,240
The convict, like the escaped
fugitive is trying to kill me.

1419
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,200
Like he's just fully embracing
at that point.

1420
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:30,000
I am guilty here And I don't
think that at any point he

1421
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:36,240
actually had to do that because
Ford really didn't have any hard

1422
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,080
evidence other than the post
dated samples, right?

1423
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,840
Like, is there anything that
could actually put Nichols

1424
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,440
behind bars other than just like
he said?

1425
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:51,200
He said kind of a thing.
I mean, I I think that there's

1426
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,080
enough evidence at that point
that the one armed man is

1427
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:00,480
connected to Nichols, that there
it would be clear that Nichols

1428
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:05,200
sent him to murder Ford, which
would lead them to go.

1429
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,560
Maybe Ford didn't kill his wife
and maybe there's a reason

1430
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,360
behind it.
And I mean, it might not be hard

1431
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:16,840
evidence, but I feel like he had
enough evidence that Sykes was

1432
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,280
the murderer.
And.

1433
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,800
And I feel like once that gets
unravelled, Nichols is probably

1434
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,560
up a Creek without a paddle.
Yeah.

1435
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:31,560
Yeah, I mean, I I, I would agree
with that honestly.

1436
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:37,080
The the thing about Nichols
having Bones give him the

1437
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,440
samples I I believe you that
that happened.

1438
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:47,240
I watched the movie today and I
I fully do not remember did.

1439
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,040
Is that what he calls Nichols
about?

1440
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,920
Yeah, he's like when he calls
him, you know, from like a

1441
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,320
pseudonym or whatever, and he's
like, how can I help you?

1442
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,880
How can I help you?
And he goes, I I have some

1443
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,840
information, I think the doctor
that got murdered a year ago, I

1444
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,080
like, I have some information I
need to prove something.

1445
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,080
So maybe he thinks that he's
actually, like, throwing him off

1446
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,200
of his own scent by sending him
to Bones.

1447
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,720
I just don't understand why you
even help Harrison Ford in that

1448
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,280
situation.
Like, why don't you just say,

1449
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,760
like, you're you're an escaped
fugitive.

1450
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,280
I shouldn't be talking to you
anymore.

1451
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,400
Click.
And I guess at the end of the

1452
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,640
day, here's the thing.
I don't care.

1453
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,800
Like, the movie still works.
You know what I mean?

1454
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,560
Like, I'm, I'm over here
nitpicking A structurally

1455
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,640
perfect movie with two guys who
clearly don't want to be having

1456
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,480
this conversation right now.
So, like, I I get it.

1457
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:37,000
It's just kind of like for such
an airtight script where

1458
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,280
everything is so logically
falling into place, like the

1459
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:44,480
villain, once he's unmasked as
the villain, is just like I'm

1460
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:49,600
going to go full Bond villain
now and like just go completely

1461
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,640
bat shit where he seemed to have
everything pretty tidy before

1462
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,920
then.
I'd push back a bit on him going

1463
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,840
full Bond villain because at no
point is, is like Harrison Ford,

1464
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,080
like collapse on the ground and
he's going on like a monologue

1465
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,600
about why he did everything and
why you had to destroy his life.

1466
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,760
I think he's pretty much just
like look, if I can just like

1467
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,440
he's he's fighting me now.
It's like I I think his thing is

1468
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,560
like, like if I can just kill
Kimball, then I'll say it's in

1469
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,000
self-defense.
And then I'll be like this crazy

1470
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,640
fugitive somehow was convinced
that I was involved in something

1471
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,560
and attacked me.
And all I could do was, you

1472
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,960
know, hit him over the head with
a, you know, a pipe or whatever.

1473
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:39,280
And I I I feel like he's
behaving pretty normally.

1474
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,000
Honestly.
I I want to go back now and just

1475
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,280
watch that phone call scene to
see exactly what they say

1476
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:50,240
because I'm just like everything
is so airtight that, like, is

1477
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:51,720
that exactly what they talked
about?

1478
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:57,080
Also, why does he need like he
already knows Bones, Couldn't he

1479
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,440
just go get the samples anyway?
Yeah.

1480
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:01,760
Yeah, I.
Don't know.

1481
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,560
I don't know.
I I, I, I, I maybe.

1482
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,760
I like zoned out for a second
during that line of dialogue.

1483
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,680
I also love that Bones, the
character, is so out of touch

1484
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,400
with the news cycle that he's
just like, hey, what's going on

1485
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,160
with that thing with your wife?
It's great.

1486
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,280
It's still, you know, that thing
where your wife got brutally

1487
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:22,880
murdered?
What's going on with that?

1488
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,560
My my big question about the end
of the film is how is our boy

1489
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:35,760
Joey Pants not dead because that
that I be steel beam directly

1490
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,760
cracks him in the head.
But also to be fair, the thing

1491
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,800
like was not moving at top
speed.

1492
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,720
No, it was so.
I don't know, man.

1493
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,160
I I've heard that car accidents
at like 20 miles an hour can

1494
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,760
still be deadly.
I'm pretty sure that steel

1495
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,760
beamed in the face.
I mean it.

1496
01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:59,080
It did not look pleasant, but
I'm.

1497
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,400
I'm glad Joey Pants survived.
I will say.

1498
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,120
Also, Tom at the end of the
movie, I like how the movie just

1499
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,960
ends.
Oh, it's just over, yeah.

1500
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,080
It's just gone.
Yeah, it it's like, you know, as

1501
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,960
soon as like Tommy Lee Jones
takes the handcuffs off and and

1502
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:18,040
you're just like it's going to
be OK We don't need to see the

1503
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:25,760
judge like remove his sentence
and him, you know, maybe he he

1504
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:32,240
moves out of Chicago and takes
up a medical practice in the

1505
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,560
Florida Keys.
Who cares?

1506
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:38,080
He's not a fugitive anymore, and
this movie is about a fugitive.

1507
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:40,640
Exactly.
We're done.

1508
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,400
Last, last point of contention,
and then we will move into

1509
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,280
brighter pastures here.
But like the whole, the end of

1510
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,640
the movie hinges on this
information that comes out that

1511
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:56,480
a call was placed from inside
Harrison Ford's car on his car

1512
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,080
phone to the assassin at 7:30
PM.

1513
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,840
And Harrison Ford has been
established inside this banquet

1514
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,280
at 7:30 PM.
And you come to learn that he

1515
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,400
lent the car to Doctor Nichols.
And the doctor Nichols made that

1516
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,280
phone call.
How in the hell was that not

1517
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:18,200
discovered in the initial police
investigation by CPD?

1518
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,360
Like they didn't pull any phone
records from my guy and see

1519
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,040
like, hey, what's this call
place from your car at 7:30?

1520
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,880
Oh, it's this guy named Sykes
who has one arm corroborating

1521
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,320
his story the entire time.
Like this is the easiest open

1522
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:38,320
and shut investigation ever.
Bob, you don't know how phone

1523
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,760
records are pulled in 1993.
Like maybe he has a whole

1524
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,320
separate phone company for his
car phone.

1525
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:52,120
Also, Speaking of phone parts, I
love the part when he he goes to

1526
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,840
Sykes's apartment and then he
calls Tommy Lee Jones and just

1527
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:02,160
lets it just like puts the phone
down but doesn't hang up, just

1528
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,200
lets them trace it.
It's so.

1529
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,080
Yes, it's smart.
It's brilliant alright also.

1530
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,440
Anyway, Sykes is so Sykes is
such a cool character.

1531
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,080
That actor is great.
Oh, he has my favorite line in

1532
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,120
the whole movie when he's
walking into his apartment and

1533
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,080
sees all the cops and he says,
what is this, a trench coat

1534
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,160
convention?
Great line.

1535
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,640
Great line.
That feels like, do you Do you

1536
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,280
ladies like peanut butter
sandwiches?

1537
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,160
All right, guys, I have vented
enough about my minor grievances

1538
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,960
with the movie.
It's time to get into our final

1539
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,280
segment of the day, which we
call.

1540
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:43,400
Let's Make it a Double.
We're near the end of the

1541
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,760
episode, so thanks listening to
the film and whiskey show.

1542
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,360
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1543
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,200
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1544
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,880
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1545
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,320
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1546
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,320
to make the perfect double
feature.

1547
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,800
Brad, I'll go first because I've
already outed myself on mine.

1548
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,720
I think the perfect double
feature for this is the Clint

1549
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,440
Eastwood film In the Line of
Fire.

1550
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,320
It came out the exact same year
as The Fugitive.

1551
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,280
It has very similar vibes.
You get Clint Eastwood playing

1552
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:18,480
the the grumpy old Secret
Service man chasing John

1553
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,880
Malkovich.
It is a great cat and mouse

1554
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,720
movie and you get, I think, a
much better example of when a

1555
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,880
movie has a proper budget and
proper lighting and proper time

1556
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,920
to shoot.
Like it just looks more like a

1557
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,480
movie than The Fugitive.
I don't think it's a better

1558
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,560
movie, but I think you could do
a hell of a lot worse than those

1559
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,600
movies back-to-back.
Yeah, I mean that that sounds

1560
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,440
like a great pick, Bob.
It's not one that I've seen

1561
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:44,720
before.
I think I'm going to go a little

1562
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:49,240
bit older.
It's not necessarily focused on

1563
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,640
a fugitive.
However, it is a police

1564
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,720
procedural.
I am going to go with the

1565
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,320
Toshiro Mifune starring high and
low.

1566
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:04,600
I think that that would just be
a really fun night of watching

1567
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,280
movies.
I'm so glad that having exposed

1568
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,880
you to that movie like not even
a year ago, that it has come up

1569
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,480
on like 7 episodes of film and
whiskey now.

1570
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,920
Like it.
It clearly worked on you and I'm

1571
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,000
very excited.
It's so good.

1572
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,600
Hell of a movie.
Have I told you yet about my

1573
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,000
master plan?
I I, you know, last season with

1574
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,760
two facts and a falsehood.
Every falsehood ended up being

1575
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,240
#2 and I didn't catch on the
entire season.

1576
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,560
I I would like knowing that it
is my favorite film of all time

1577
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,520
and knowing that you don't like
it that much.

1578
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,520
I'm I'm going to spend a whole
season making ET, my 2 facts and

1579
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,360
a falsehood or my Let's make it
a double for every film.

1580
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,840
I just hadn't figured out how to
link everything to ET yet.

1581
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,680
But it'll happen eventually.
That's because ET is not a

1582
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:52,400
perfect.
Movie.

1583
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:55,440
Oh my gosh dude.
That is not a 10 out of 10.

1584
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,240
Sorry, but I'm, I'm with Bob on
this.

1585
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,440
Oh, perfect.
Bread.

1586
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:04,560
Have you no heart?
Apparently not.

1587
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,040
That is not a 10 out of 10 film.
Patrick, we have vamped.

1588
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,280
We have stalled for you.
What's your, What's your?

1589
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,480
Let's make it a double here.
Oh, it's OK.

1590
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:14,920
I, I, I, I I knew this right
away.

1591
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:23,880
I am going to apologies for, you
know, a cancelled director, but

1592
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,000
I'm going to pair this with
Roman Polanski's Frantic so that

1593
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,640
you have the double feature of
Harrison Ford saying my wife.

1594
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,680
That's the movie where Harrison
Ford and his wife go to Paris

1595
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:43,320
and she disappears and he tries
to find his wife.

1596
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,680
Also the inspiration for those
immortal bards, the Barenaked

1597
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:53,080
Ladies like Harrison Ford I'm.
Getting frantic.

1598
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,880
Like Sting, I'm tantric.
And I'm Tantric.

1599
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,160
Why do I still know all of them
like?

1600
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,480
Snickers guaranteed.
Disarantic satisfy.

1601
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:06,680
But yeah, I Frantic is good.
Not as good as The Fugitive but

1602
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:11,080
it is Harrison Ford running
around a city saying my wife a

1603
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:11,800
lot.
Yeah.

1604
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:17,640
And I mean, what board could you
honestly ask for from a movie?

1605
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,880
You could throw a screening of
Borat in there just for a third

1606
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,280
My Wife movie, and then it would
just be like a perfectly curated

1607
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:28,080
set of three films.
You know you're not wrong.

1608
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:34,360
I'm I'm I'm now jumping ahead to
be like can I like curate a my

1609
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:39,200
wife Film Festival.
Can I make a video about people

1610
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:45,440
in movies saying my wife.
Yes, yes you can easily that.

1611
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,960
That's a nebula bonus content.
Simple.

1612
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,440
Oh yeah.
All right guys, it is time for

1613
01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:52,440
us to give this movie some final
scores.

1614
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,080
I'll jump in again first because
it sounds like I'm the only one

1615
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:57,600
that had any nitpicks with this
movie.

1616
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,280
I think Brad is, this is kind of
in that die hard range for me

1617
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:05,840
where like I can't actually
point out anything wrong with

1618
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,200
the movie, like even though you
did, I mean, but those were like

1619
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,560
those were nitpicks.
Like it's it is like a

1620
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,440
structurally perfect movie.
I just don't know, like I don't

1621
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:19,520
know that I would call it A10.
I think it's like it is hit the

1622
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,960
ceiling for what this type of
movie can be.

1623
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,840
And for me that's like somewhere
between a nine and a nine and a

1624
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,360
half, which is like, I mean I'm,
you know, it's a nine and a

1625
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,480
half.
Like I it's nothing to complain

1626
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:35,800
about.
But for me it's not like not the

1627
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,760
the transcendent masterpiece of
some of the 10 out of 10s that

1628
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,440
we've given on the show, but
it's like a damn good movie that

1629
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:43,880
is nearly flawless to me.
So I'm going to give it a nine

1630
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:49,600
and a half.
Oh man, I I want to give this

1631
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:53,320
movie a 10 out of 10.
I don't know if I've watched a

1632
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:57,160
more enjoyable film in the last
year.

1633
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:02,640
Like this movie just is
incredible and it and it drags

1634
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,640
you along at a breakneck speed.
I mean, we haven't even talked

1635
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,840
about like one of the most
famous lines from the film, but

1636
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:15,800
truly famous for a reason.
When they first meet and he just

1637
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,560
looks at him and he has, he has
his gun and he goes, I didn't

1638
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:25,040
kill my wife and Tommy Lee
Jones, just honestly, like, it's

1639
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,800
such an honest line and he just
goes, I don't care.

1640
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,320
Like that's not what I'm here
about.

1641
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,800
I'm here to catch you.
I'm not here to convict or to

1642
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,880
investigate the murder.
All I'm here to do is catch you.

1643
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:42,200
And it's just a perfect
encapsulation of what this movie

1644
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:46,560
is all about.
I I'm going to give it a 10 out

1645
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,200
of 10.
Wow, I I love this movie.

1646
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,040
Patrick.
Whoa, it's me.

1647
01:39:53,480 --> 01:40:00,920
So I before we recorded I I
logged it on letterboxed and

1648
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,600
posted little review and I saw
that I had previously had it at

1649
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:08,240
a a 4.5 out of five and I was
like.

1650
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:15,560
Look, I got to be honest with
myself watching it again, movies

1651
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,800
don't don't really get better
than this.

1652
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,520
I'm bumping it up to five out of
five.

1653
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,160
But now I will say, I will say,
but now you're doing things on a

1654
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,800
10 point scale and it's not
quite as simple as just doubling

1655
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,480
it, because if you double the
4.5, you just get a flat 9,

1656
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,800
right?
Suddenly there's a 9.5 like

1657
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,760
floating around in there as an
option.

1658
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:43,920
That doesn't break my letterbox
review, and I I think I'm gonna

1659
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:50,840
give this a 9.5.
And I say that because what I

1660
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:57,000
give a 10 to can basically only
be the most transcendent

1661
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,600
masterpieces.
Like in the world. 10 is so many

1662
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:08,880
points, and I'm like, I would
only give 1010 out of 10 to like

1663
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:13,760
a handful of movies.
I I know, Bobby, you were saying

1664
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,200
like this basically hits the
ceiling of what one of what a

1665
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:21,200
movie like this can be.
But also just like, you know,

1666
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:26,800
has America ever produced a more
purely entertaining movie than

1667
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,880
this?
Can you have a better time

1668
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,200
watching a movie?
Is there a better version of

1669
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:33,920
this that could exist?
No.

1670
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,840
Like, like, do I want to watch
The Fugitive basically every day

1671
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,640
of my life.
Yes, I do.

1672
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,800
Yes.
Very much so.

1673
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:49,320
Yeah, and I'm just going to give
it a 9.5 because I'm just like,

1674
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,120
I don't know, I didn't quite see
the face of God while watching

1675
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:57,240
it, and that's what I asked from
a 10 out of 10 movie.

1676
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,480
Yeah, I get it, man.
All right, so it's a 9.5 from me

1677
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,160
and Patrick.
It's a 10 from Brad.

1678
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,080
We want to know what you think.
Have you watched The Fugitive

1679
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,000
lately?
If you have, congratulations.

1680
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,840
You can let us know what you
think of The Fugitive at any of

1681
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,200
our social medias.
Hit us up and tell us where we

1682
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,360
were, right or wrong.
Rake me over the coals for

1683
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,560
having nitpicks if you'd like.
You can find us on Facebook,

1684
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:24,000
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and
YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1685
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,520
Or jump into the conversation on
Discord.

1686
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,120
You can find a link to it at the
end of every single one of our

1687
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,160
show notes.
We want to say thanks again to

1688
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,800
our five time guest Patrick
Williams.

1689
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,200
Patrick, where can we find you?
What are you working on right

1690
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,080
now?
Very soon my new season of

1691
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:46,920
videos will be starting up.
My my my break is over.

1692
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:51,720
And so you'll watch the videos I
make, which are, you know, long,

1693
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:55,440
weird, silly video essays about
movies.

1694
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:58,800
Incredible.
You can watch them on YouTube

1695
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:04,000
and then you can watch them ad
free and with bonus materials on

1696
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,280
Nebula where you can also what I
know it's February and you know

1697
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,440
the time for this has passed.
But this past December we

1698
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:20,960
released our big 1960s style
musical holiday special that is

1699
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,600
also a video essay about Star
Wars, which is a project that

1700
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,280
I'm very proud of and that is
available exclusively on Nebula.

1701
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,440
And then I'm on social media
platforms at Patrick H Williams

1702
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:35,760
and that's me.
Yeah, and I I will say free plug

1703
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,480
here as a Nebula subscriber.
Big fan of the content on Nebula

1704
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,000
Patrick.
I especially love the moments

1705
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:49,160
where you're you can tell the
regular video splits off like

1706
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:54,040
the YouTube video splits off and
I'm like I didn't have to listen

1707
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,840
to any ads.
It's great.

1708
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:02,360
It's great.
No ads is like, you know, real.

1709
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,880
I feel like that's like, what
more selling point do you need?

1710
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,960
Yeah, that's that's it, man.
All I see on my news feed lately

1711
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,280
is like YouTube waging war on ad
blockers.

1712
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,080
There you go.
Well, thank you for like

1713
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,760
building on my own plug.
Yeah, that's what we do here,

1714
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:19,320
Brad.
Next week.

1715
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:21,640
I don't know that we will quite
achieve the heights of The

1716
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,760
Fugitive, but we're going to get
darn close because we are

1717
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,640
looking at a movie by none other
than James Cameron 1994's True

1718
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:33,480
Lies, another certified banger.
Lots of stuff blowing up Arnold

1719
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:36,040
Schwarzenegger.
I cannot freaking wait for you

1720
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:39,280
to watch this movie, man.
It's amazing where this season

1721
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:43,320
has started.
Like Rain Man, Robin Hood,

1722
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:48,240
Sister Act, fugitive, true Lies
compared to where it'll end.

1723
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,040
Oh yeah, we're getting into the
portion of the 90s where the the

1724
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,360
operative mantra was just blow
shit up.

1725
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,760
So join us next week for True
lies.

1726
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,960
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1727
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:02,800
And we'll see you next time.