The Big Short / Jack Daniel's 10-Year Tennessee Whiskey

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In 2015, director Adam McKay and
star Steve Carell gave the world

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a fast-paced knock off that
hammered home the dangers of

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greed.
In 2025, we see if an Obama era

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whiskey can bail out this
episode.

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The film is the big.
Short the whiskey is Jack

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Daniels 10 year batch 3.
And more of you them both.

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This is the film and whiskey.
Podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And today we are looking at the
2015 film The Big Short.

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Brad, this movie is celebrating
its 10th anniversary this year.

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And we can officially say that
now that it is 2025.

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And I think this is around the
time where time stopped being

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real to me because it doesn't
feel like The Big Short should

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be in the same sentence as 10
years old.

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Like, I still, I remember this
movie coming out and it was like

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one of the last movies that
still made sense to buy on

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Blu-ray because it wasn't just
immediately on like Netflix.

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And then I even saying that
sentence, I'm like, Oh yeah,

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that was definitely at least a
decade ago.

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Yeah, I recently read a very
long article about the evils of

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Netflix and how it has destroyed
cinema.

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And you're right, it it's like
simultaneously feels like

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Netflix has been around forever
and yet like no time at all.

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Yeah, and we've had this happen
a couple times on this season

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where a movie really found a
second life on Netflix, and The

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Big Short was one of them.
This was a movie that I I don't

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who released this?
Was it Columbia?

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What was the studio behind this
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Paramount, maybe Paramount,
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In any case, it was at the time
when Netflix was kind of like

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the distribution model for
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There was really no, you know,
big catalogue on Amazon Prime

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yet.
There certainly wasn't Paramount

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Plus.
And so studios would just kind

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of like rent out their movies to
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And once this movie hit Netflix,
it was on Netflix for a long

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time.
And I remember a lot of people

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saw it there.
Brad, I'm I'm curious as we dive

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into this episode.
First of all, hello, folks.

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Welcome into film and Whiskey.
I hope you're having a great new

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year.
So far, this is the first time

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Brad and I have recorded in a
couple weeks.

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And we worked a little bit ahead
to get Mad Max out of the way.

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And I'm shaking off some rust.
Shaking off some rust and

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probably like four extra pounds
from the holiday season, Brad.

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I am still like cleaning off
silver paint from my mouth.

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It.
It was a heck of an episode If

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you haven't listened to Mad Max.
All shiny and Chrome, baby.

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Anyway, welcome into film and
whiskey.

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What we do on this podcast is we
talk about movies, we talk about

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whiskey.
And this season we are looking

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at movies from the last 20 years
and we are asking the question,

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does this film deserve to be
considered a modern classic?

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Now, The Big Short was a money
maker at the box office and it

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was nominated for best picture.
I don't believe it is in either

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the IMDb or the Letterbox top
250, but it's a well enough

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liked movie that it merits us
talking about today.

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The way you said money maker
just begs me to ask the

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question.
Do you think it could shake it?

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I believe that song is featured
at least one time in this movie,

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right?
I think.

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So shake it money make.
I thought, yeah, it there's for

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sure.
It's in this.

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It's in this movie somewhere.
There are because we were

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talking about a stripper song.
There are I think 2 scenes with

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strippers in this movie and I
don't think either are truly

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necessary.
Like why are there nipples in

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this movie?
Bob I.

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Don't know.
I don't know man, you could ask

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that question about a lot of
things that happen in Adam McKay

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movies.
Adam McKay is the director of

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the big shorts.
This was his first real forward

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foray into making, I think what
he would consider himself to be

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making a like, big boy movie
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been a comedy director and a
director of pretty dumb

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comedies.
Like he's the guy that made

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Anchor Band.
He made Talladega Nights.

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I think he yeah, I think he made
Step Brothers as well.

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And so then he pivots into the
big shorts, which is his big

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Oscar play.
And at the time, I think critics

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were willing to go with him into
this realm because he was seen

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as kind of bringing this
anarchic energy to a story like

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The Big Short.
And it's definitely still improv

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heavy.
And I think it's definitely

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still going for some pretty
irreverent laughs at points.

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But it gets them you.
You mean that the line I'm

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jacked to the tits wasn't
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I'm going to say that eight
times today, Brad, the way that

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you say, witness me, I'm jumped
to the pitch, he says.

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He says it so high pitched too.
It's so good, man.

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Anyway, I think critics were
kind of willing to follow Adam

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McKay into this realm to this
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And then he makes two more
movies where he gets like

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successively more up his own ass
as he makes them.

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He makes a movie called Vice a
couple years after this, which

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is his kind of biopic of Dick
Cheney.

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And then a few years after that
he makes a movie called Don't

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Look Up, which is his big
parable about the Trump era and

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global warming.
And at this point, even the most

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liberal of movie critics is
like, this guy is annoying as

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hell.
I think it's really interesting

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to trace it back to The Big
Short 'cause this is kind of the

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tipping point for him.
And it's a movie that people

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have really unfairly looked back
on and and crapped all over

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because they hate Adam McKay
now, and a movie that I really

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remember at the time liking a
lot.

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Brad, were you a person who saw
The Big Short when it came out

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in 2015?
I did not see the Big Short and

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the only thing I knew about it
was that it was kind of about

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finance.
And for some reason in my brain,

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I like naturally paired it like
I I let's make a doubled it

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without ever seeing either film
with Dallas Buyers Club.

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Yeah, and I can tell you for a
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about finance, and Dallas Buyers
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finance.
I there you.

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Go.
You couldn't be farther off.

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I mean just because the word
buyers is in the title, it is

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not a finance movie my friend.
I thought it was about real.

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Estate.
No, it's about a bunch of people

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who have AIDS and who find a way
to get themselves medication

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when the government like tries
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That's basically about finance.
You know, it's a parable.

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It's a metaphor, yeah.
I obviously have never seen

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Dallas Buyers Club.
This was my first time seeing

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The Big Short and I I was on
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It is indeed about finance.
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finance, it seeks to explain
some of the most convoluted and

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complicated financial
terminology that a layperson

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probably will ever come in
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And that makes for a really
weird movie experience.

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It certainly does, and I think
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success that it has at
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But in order to get into all
that, we have to get to our

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first segment of the day, which
we call, Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the film that he has
just seen, often for the first

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time.
We know it is his first time

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with The Big Short here today.
Brad, I'm not going to beat

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around the Bush here.
There's a lot to explain if you

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go that route with this movie.
Or you could keep it 30,000 feet

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and do like a 5 second overview
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Whatever your choice is here,
you get 60 seconds to explain

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the plot of this movie in
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Folks, if you've not seen The
Big Short, I think it's a good

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movie and I think it's worth at
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concepts of why everyone lost
their house in 2008.

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So go watch The Big Short, come
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Brad explain it.
One minute on the clock, Brad

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and go.
So you know how I often will

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like kind of give up on Brad
explains and be like, all right,

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so like, this is kind of what
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That's going to happen from the
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The Big Short is a film about
the 2008 housing crisis.

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And it basically is like there's
a huge housing bubble because

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the banks are giving out
terrible loans that are subprime

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and bad.
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financial products to a from
investment banks that are like

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super risky and terrible.
And all the bond companies are

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like, there are the ratings
companies are like, yeah, it's

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totally fine, but they're not
totally fine.

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And they're all going to cut the
the Roosters are all going to

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come home to roost.
Is is that the saying?

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Yeah, it's close enough.
And a bunch of people in the

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financial ward figure out what's
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And so they create these
products to bet against the

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housing market and they make a
just RIP roaring wild amount of

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money because they short the
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There you go.
All right, that's the Big short.

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So where do we want to start
with this today, Brad?

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Do you want to just kind of give
general impressions of the

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movie?
Do you want to dive into the

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nitty gritty of the characters?
Do you want to talk about

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performances?
I'll let you kind of lead the

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way here.
I'm kind of in a weird place

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with this movie because I didn't
walk away from the movie

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thinking about anything that the
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I walked away from the movie
thinking about all of the

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financial terms and like what
actually happened in the 2008

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crisis versus what they told me
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And like I had no joke, went to
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And it was like 12:30, which is
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And I got up and I spent like an
hour and a half Googling

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synthetic CD OS and like even
just the basics like a

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mortgage-backed security, what
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And I probably spent like 2
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night, like parsing out all of
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And I don't know if that means I
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Like it definitely got me
thinking, but it was less of a

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wow.
That movie was so good and it

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was more of a wow. 2005, 678 was
a completely effed up time.

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How did it happen?
So I think you're actually

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hitting on something that
critics have really accused Adam

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McKay of in his, you know, I
don't want to say his latter

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years, the guy's not dead, but
you know, his career definitely

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has had two halves to it.
And in the second-half, his.

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Career, definitely.
Is in the second-half, he's been

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accused of being using his films
as a didactic tool or it as a,

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you know, if you want to be
negative about it, pedantic

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tool.
I think a lot of people think

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he's condescending about how the
way he does it.

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And depending on your
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maybe you got that vibe as well.
But it's an interesting thing

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because it it begs the question
of like, what is the purpose of

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this movie from Adam Mckay's
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Is it to rile people up and
instigate them, not necessarily

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to change, but to be educated
about what has been going on in

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the shadows?
And on that front, I actually do

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think the movie succeeds really,
really well.

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Like it.
It does a good job of explaining

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most of these terms and at least
the extent to which we were all

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over a barrel by these companies
in 2008.

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At the same time, it's super
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Is it an entertaining movie?
I think it's entertaining, but I

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don't know if I would
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world's most successful movie.
And so then it becomes a

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question of like, if the only
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educate or to, you know, to
condescend, then, like, what are

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we doing here?
You know what I mean?

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It feels a little preachy.
Yeah, I, I don't think I found

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myself feeling preached at until
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because really most of the film
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like, how the heck did we get
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Like the further they unravel
the spider's web, like they're

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just like how how was this
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very fair questions that anybody

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of any political interest would
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I think it's the end of the film
where he basically says and

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nothing has changed and the
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same system and we're going to
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And like that's the part where
I'm like, oh, and all my

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research there was massive
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the 2008 crisis.
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things have changed to prevent
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market bubble to occur again.
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avenues for banks to cheat
people, but they're putting some

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guard rails around it so that it
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anymore, is what it seems like.
Exactly, you know.

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And not, and not just the
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worldwide economy.
What we're saying is, is

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everyone wins now, right?
Yeah, everybody wins.

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No, I'm with you, man.
Like I, I think that

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specifically the preachy parts
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words that they put in the
mouths of Marisa Tomei as Steve

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Carell's wife and Steve Carell
because they become kind of like

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the, the beating hearts of the
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And they're paralleling Steve
Carell's journey towards, you

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know, his big Grinch heart
growing 3 sizes with the fact

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that his brother committed
suicide like a year prior.

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to tap into those emotions, he

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also develops an ability to
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are going through as a result of
the bank screwing them over and

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becomes a real big advocate
within, you know, the world of

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finance.
However, like the the dialogue

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writing for both of those
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says a lot about how good of an
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Marisa Tomei are that they kind
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But you've got and Steve Carell,
like getting up on a soapbox at

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the end of the movie, saying
nothing's going to change.

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They're just going to continue
to blame immigrants and poor

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people.
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it's the way that it's phrased
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kind of way that it it comes
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it comes across as a believable
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speechifying.
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And, and as somebody who often
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vacillates between really
wanting to think the best of the

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world and thinking the worst of
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Like this movie just has such a
negative view of the human

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experience, has such a negative
view of the world of business as

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a whole, that it it just kind of
felt icky by the end of it in a

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way that I don't know if it
represents reality quite

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honestly.
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you have a much more optimistic
view on the human race than most

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of the movies we watch, and
probably also me.

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a movie designed to make you
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icky.
And the ick needs to be

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addressed, right?
Like even the sort of happy

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ending or the the profound
colorized ending of a movie like

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Schindler's List doesn't take
away from the fact that that

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whole movie is designed to make
you feel a a certain way, right?

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So I think that it's really
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there, and it does caution that
history will repeat itself if we

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don't pay attention and hold
these people accountable.

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I want to zoom out a little bit,
Brad.

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Let's talk about, I mean, you
set the stage pretty well with

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Brad explains, but maybe let's
try our best to to kind of walk

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through the movie, explaining
what's happening as we go.

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Yeah.
Because in order to talk about

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these characters, we kind of
have to talk about how the movie

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unfolds because it follows a few
distinct groups of people.

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The first person we're
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Christian Bale, who is doing
some, like, off the wall Capital

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A acting with a glass eye.
And AII would venture to say

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that he is trying to project a
mild form of autism.

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Is that fair to say?
No, definitely not.

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I mean, you certainly don't want
to accuse people of things, but,

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and dare I say Christian Bale is
an actor that I really like and

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I think when he is on, he's a
good actor.

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I he tries too hard in 80% of
his movies, bro.

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Like he's just really going for
it here.

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Yeah, I, I like Christian Bale.
I want him to be like a great

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actor.
There's just something about the

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way he engages with his
characters that kind of feels

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funky.
Like it's kind of like the will

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it funk Bob.
It's it's distinct and it's

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Christian Bale and it's the Bale
funk and it's in pretty much

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every single one of his roles.
I like that in most of his

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movies, they kind of challenge
you in the 1st 5 minutes with,

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hey, here's how it's going to be
get on board or you're going to

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have a bad time.
And usually I can get on board

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and by the two hour mark I'm
not, I'm not paying attention

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anymore.
But it's like this with, you

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know, American Hustle.
This movie is like this.

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He had a very interesting turn
in that one four movie a couple

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years ago.
I just think that he he tries

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some off the wall stuff in a way
that it doesn't totally work,

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but it also doesn't go into the
the Nicolas Cage territory of

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like it's so bad that it comes
back around to being endearing.

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Yeah.
It just stays in the Oh no,

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baby, what is you doing?
Like yeah, zone for me.

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And the the problem is that you
don't spend enough time with him

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to like, get used to it and what
he's doing.

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Like most of the time, if
Christian Bale's in the movie,

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he's probably like the star.
And so in this one, it's like

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you maybe get like, I don't know
it because the movie is like 2

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hours and 10 minutes.
You maybe get 25 minutes with

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him. 30 minutes.
Fair.

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Like, he's really not in the
movie that much.

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Steve Carell commands a lot more
screen time.

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And so I, I think that the
oddities of Bale's acting in

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this one just kind of, they
never settle.

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That's fair.
So we're introduced to Bale

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first.
He is a hedge fund manager who

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essentially stumbles upon the
fact that all of these mortgage

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bonds that the government.
Props up are full of crap that

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they've been given AAA ratings
from the ratings boards, even

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though they're full of what's
called subprime mortgages and

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their mortgages that are likely
to default.

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And so when they all start to
default because they're tied in

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with actually high rated
mortgages, it will cause the

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entire package to fail, which
will lead to a domino effect

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that will crash the US economy.
And so he decides to short these

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mortgage bonds, meaning that he
is going to go to a bank and

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find a bank to allow him to bet
against these bonds so that when

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they fail he will make money.
His entire character's ark is

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basically just being the Noah
building an ark while while

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everything floods around him or
gets ready to and everyone is

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telling him you're an idiot,
you're crazy.

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I'm suing you.
The hedge fund tanks because the

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premium the bank charges him to
have this short cost so much

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money.
And then at the end of the

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movie, of course, everything
goes tits up and they they make

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a whole bunch of money.
And that's kind of his his whole

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character's journey.
It's not a super compelling 1,

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Brad.
No, they, they try to make it

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compelling by like playing
Metallica and like, like heavy

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metal.
And he gets angry a few times.

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But like, all of it is very
reasonable.

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As somebody who personally like
invests in the stock market, if

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I gave my money to somebody and
then they put it into something

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that was like completely
unproven, I, I can understand

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why somebody who, you know, put
$100 million in this fund would

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be upset that that makes sense
to me.

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I just want to call out, I'm
going to do this a lot today.

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I think that a lot of the bit
players in this movie, the

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people that have like 4 lines
are just killer.

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Lot of great small parts.
Henry Henry Ford the second.

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Yeah, Tracy Letts, the
playwright and actor that we had

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never talked about in the
podcast until Ford V Ferrari.

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He shows up as the main investor
in this hedge fund.

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Tracy Letts pretty famously is
married to or partners with

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Carrie Coon, the actress from
Copley.

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OH baby.
Oh, let's go.

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Right next door to me.
So thanks, Tracy Letts, thanks

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Carrie Kuhn.
We can move on, Brad.

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Hey man, I'll take a good Ohio
shout out any day of the week.

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So after we're introduced to
Christian Bale, we then go and

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meet with, I guess we meet with
Ryan Gosling before anybody.

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Ryan Gosling acts as the sort of
Greek muse of this film who is

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like guiding us through the
journey of Wall Street, talking

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directly to the camera, having a
sides throwing over the clips of

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Margot Robbie.
Yes.

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Do you think that makes the film
more pretentious like the the

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Ryan Gosling?
I think that that is, that's the

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area where it's very clear that
he's like, I want to do a

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Scorsese, let's do a Goodfellas.
And I, I don't know.

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I don't know, man.
Would the movie be more

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successful without it?
Because you do need somebody

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explaining things to you like
you're 5 for this to make sense.

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Yeah, you do.
We haven't talked about it yet.

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We'll just get it out of the
way.

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It's just too much of A RIP off
of Wolf of Wall Street, and it's

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not as good.
Yeah, well, let's talk about it.

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I mean, I think this is good
jumping off point because it's

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not just the the Gosling of it
all.

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It's not just the talking to the
camera or the insert shots of,

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you know, keep stirring the
sauce, Karen kind of stuff

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that's going on in this movie.
I really do think, to your

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point, Brad, that Wolf of Wall
Street comes out at the end of

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2013.
I think they see that movie and

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they go, oh shit, this was our
whole plan.

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Now we have to find a way to not
make it seem exactly like Wolf

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of Wall Street.
And because Wolf of Wall Street

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is Scorsese's biggest, most
coked up, kind of funniest

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movie, Adam Mckay's like, I got
to go even more extreme than

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that.
And the way he chooses to do

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that is that a lot of these
cutaways and insert shots are

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kind of abstract, like he'll
insert clips of things that

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aren't really necessarily
related to the scene itself to

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try to give a picture of
American life, I guess in 2007.

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But they feel so out of left
field.

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And I think ultimately they're
probably the biggest failure of

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the movie.
Is that it?

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It just seems like the guy's
trying to do a Scorsese and

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can't quite pull it off.
Yeah, and, and I think the

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ultimate message of Wolf, of
Wall Street and of Big Short are

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somewhat similar, right, Like at
the end of Wolf of Wall Street

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spoilers.
If you haven't seen it, go watch

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it.
It's a interesting movie.

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Maybe don't go watch it.
I don't know.

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It's a wild movie.
The purpose of the movie is

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basically to say, like, we put
our faith and trust in these big

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names and big personalities and
should we do that?

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And like The Big Short kind of
has a very similar, like we put

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all of our faith and trust in
these big banks and these legacy

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names.
Should we do that?

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The problem is Adam McKay has to
come out and tell you at the end

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of the film why he made the
film, right?

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Like, like, oh, there's no
regulations, and it's going to

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happen again.
Whereas Scorsese does it so

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incredibly masterfully with the
final scene of Wolf of Wall

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Street, which I won't spoil
right now, But like, the way he

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does it at the end of Wolf of
Wall Street is tactful and

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introspective, and it's going to
go over some people's heads.

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And it's just a brilliant,
beautiful way to end the movie.

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And this one, McKay is just kind
of dumping his viewpoints all

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over the audience.
All right, man, I actually think

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this might be a good spot to
press pause, unless do you think

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we should try to finish out the
cast or do you want to come back

447
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,640
after the break and go?
Let's at least finish out.

448
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Steve Carell is playing.
It's Eisner in real life.

449
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,480
What's what's his name in the
movie?

450
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,160
Mark Baum.
Mark.

451
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,480
Baum and once again, I think a
slightly offensive portrayal, if

452
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000
we can be honest here.
Like, yeah, it's Steve Carell as

453
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,120
Michael Scott, as Michael
Scott's idea of what a Jewish

454
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,040
person sounds like.
Like it's I, I, it's kind of

455
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,360
over the top.
Man, I think it's like if

456
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,000
Michael Scott was mean and from
New York.

457
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,360
Yes, but like that, that's it.
But he's also trying to do like

458
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,840
he's trying to do a
stereotypical Jewish portrayal.

459
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,120
And I, I don't think it's
really, I don't think it's

460
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,520
really working for it, man.
No, no, it's, it's not great.

461
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,280
But the film follows them as
they learn about Christian Bale

462
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,400
shorting the market.
He runs a hedge fund and they

463
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,000
basically try to mimic what
Christian Bale is doing.

464
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,360
And then our final group that we
follow are two young investors

465
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:11,120
from like, Colorado.
I think they're like from out

466
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,280
West.
And they have made it to the big

467
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,960
leagues.
They get to New York, find out

468
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,800
that they haven't actually made
enough money to really make it

469
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,080
into the big leagues, and they
learn about this shorting

470
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,760
investment and they start
investing their money in

471
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,760
shorting the market.
Yep, those two young men are

472
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,880
played by Finn Whitrock and John
Magaro.

473
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280
John Magaro, we will see in a
couple weeks here in the movie

474
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,680
past lives, playing the husband
in that movie.

475
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,120
He's a fantastic actor.
He has a movie that's kind of

476
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,680
making an awards play right now
called September 5.

477
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,000
He, Brad, is from Stow, OH, just
up the road.

478
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Do we need to get him on the
show?

479
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Perhaps one of my biggest wish
list interviews is just to get

480
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,440
him on the show, talk about
movies and talk about Northeast

481
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Ohio.
Swansons.

482
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
That's the whole interview.
It's just us naming things that

483
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,960
are regional Swansons.
Liberties and Solon.

484
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,920
I actually think that they are
two of the more compelling

485
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,680
characters in the movie because
they are like these young Anja

486
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,720
news and they have an actual arc
similar to Corel.

487
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,000
Corel has an arc.
The guys in Corel's Little Fund

488
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,200
kind of have an arc.
I, I think what I like about

489
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,680
them is that they end in that
place where it's like we're just

490
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,640
in it for the money and Brad
Pitt just like lays the hammer

491
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,720
down.
And that's like the only

492
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,160
emotional part of the movie that
works for me is when Brad Pitt,

493
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,360
which, you know, wow, the only
part that worked for me was when

494
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,720
Brad Pitt was acting.
What a surprise.

495
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,960
What he just lays the hammer
down is like, hey, you're about

496
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,880
to make money off of the backs
of millions of middle class and

497
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600
poor Americans.
Like just don't dance about it.

498
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,680
It's such a good line and it I
the scene works because it

499
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640
reminds me so much of Moneyball.
It's a Moneyball performance

500
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
from Brad Pitt.
Brad Pitt was doing this thing

501
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,720
in the early to mid twenty 10s
where he's like, I'm going to

502
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:27,000
play my roles so subtly that a
person who's not a fan of me

503
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840
will just wonder if I'm phoning
it in.

504
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,520
But he's doing like emotionless
acting in Moneyball and in this

505
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,720
movie.
And in both of those movies, he

506
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,680
finally gets to the breaking
point where he, you know, either

507
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,400
has emotion or you understand
why he's the way he is.

508
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,560
And in this movie, it's Charlie
and Jamie are the two young

509
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,960
guys.
And you're right.

510
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,320
He just absolutely lights into
him at the end of the movie and

511
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360
where he's how's this for a
statistic?

512
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,760
Every time the the unemployment
rate goes up one percent, 40,000

513
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,680
people die like he.
And then they cut back to these

514
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,800
guys and it starts to really
sink in.

515
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,960
And I think that where this
movie succeeds is that it starts

516
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,680
to sink in for everybody kind of
at the same time.

517
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,640
And they don't milk it into some
big like string montage.

518
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160
But when they do that freeze
frame on Carell's face where

519
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720
he's at the Benihana with the
guy and he's talking about

520
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,480
synthetic CD OS.
And and then they cut to Charlie

521
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,040
and Jamie getting this speech
from Brad Pitt.

522
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,120
And then you get that big
closing montage where people

523
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160
that we've encountered all
throughout the movie, like the

524
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600
family that was living in a
house where the landlord wasn't

525
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,800
paying the rent, like they're
out on the street now.

526
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,840
And I think that it does a
really good job of not

527
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,720
overplaying that stuff because I
think it could get too

528
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,680
saccharine.
It could get too preachy in that

529
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,560
regard.
And they do a good job of

530
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,920
letting you piece together the
oh shit moments for yourself.

531
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Yeah, 100%.
And that, like that's where the

532
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,880
movie should sit.
It is more in the harm that the

533
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,960
whole thing caused when at the
end of the day, like they try to

534
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,520
make you feel bad for the guys
who just made hundreds of

535
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,800
millions of dollars off of this
big short.

536
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
And at the end of the day, like,
you can only convince me so much

537
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,280
that Steve Carell and Christian
Bale and these two young guys

538
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:31,080
really feel that poorly for all
of the Americans that they just

539
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,560
made.
You know, they didn't make money

540
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,360
off of the Americans.
They made money off of the

541
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
banks.
And so it's like, I, I just, I'm

542
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,000
sorry, but I, I don't buy it.
I don't feel bad for you.

543
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,240
You made all this money.
I I pretty much just feel bad

544
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,880
for all the Americans who
seemingly were duped into these

545
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,920
absolutely wild mortgages that
made zero sense and they never

546
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,160
ever should have been offered to
anybody.

547
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,960
All right, so it sounds like a
freaking downer from us today

548
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,240
here at Film and Whiskey.
Brad, let's drink some whiskey

549
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
to drown our sorrows, and then
we'll come back and keep talking

550
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,640
about the financial crisis.
What do you say?

551
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:19,160
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

552
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,480
checking out Jack Daniels 10
year Tennessee Whiskey.

553
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,720
This is batch #3 of the Jack
Daniels 10 year.

554
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,800
It was released back in February
of 2024.

555
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,920
So Brad, hopefully we're getting
a batch 4 coming out in about a

556
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,440
month here from Jack Daniels.
It's been a minute since we've

557
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
tried a Jack Daniels product on
the show, Brad.

558
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,920
I think we had one slated for
the Oppenheimer show.

559
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Did we end up reviewing a Jack
Daniels for that one, or did we

560
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560
pick something else?
It has been a very long time

561
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,840
since we've drank a Jack Daniels
on this show, Bob.

562
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Oh yeah, we did Old Fitzgerald
for Oppenheimer.

563
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,200
It was, it was supposed to be
Jack Daniels.

564
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,400
We pushed it back to mid season
here.

565
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,880
So yeah, it's been a minute.
Like I said, this is batch 3 of

566
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,680
the 10 year.
This is a product that's

567
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,680
clocking in at 97 proof.
So unlike a lot of well aged

568
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,360
products coming out of many
distilleries across the country,

569
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,320
this is not like a barrel proof
product.

570
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,640
The only thing that they are
selling this on is the fact that

571
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400
it is 10 years old.
And honestly, I kind of respect

572
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840
that.
Like every now and then I want a

573
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,520
really well done sub 100 proof
whiskey.

574
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Yeah, no, 100%.
Like having high quality

575
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,080
whiskeys at a lower proof point
is incredible.

576
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Like it, it's like moving from
that like 12% wild craft beer

577
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,360
down to like a good old Coors
Banquet beer where you're like,

578
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,560
Oh yeah, I could crush so much
of this compared to these

579
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,720
freaking barrel proofs.
What's your overall opinion of

580
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,960
Jack Daniels?
We've tried a handful of their

581
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,800
products, but I think we've done
a good job of kind of running

582
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,520
the gamut like it.
We've gone from baseline Jack

583
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Daniels way up to some of their
higher level offerings.

584
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,000
And I'm just curious man, like
is it, is it in your wheelhouse

585
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,080
or not really?
Man, so before I ever really

586
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,040
drank whiskey, my best friend
Mike and I got really into Jack

587
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:18,159
Daniels and we ended up going
halvesies on a, at the time,

588
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,199
$150.00 bottle of Sinatra
Select.

589
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040
And I remember liking that a
lot.

590
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,480
I have not had it in a very long
time.

591
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,199
Other than that, I'm like,
there's not much Jack Daniels

592
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,159
that really does it for me.
You you know how you have an

593
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,400
obsession with the Will it funk?
I sure do.

594
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,080
I sure do.
Jack Daniels has a funk like it.

595
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,880
All of their products is.
This might sound redundant, but

596
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,280
like other distilleries have
lots of products that taste

597
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,000
wildly different from one
another.

598
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,159
Every single Jack Daniels man, I
like.

599
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,720
I could smell it a mile away and
be like, oh Yep, that's Jack

600
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,880
Daniels.
Yeah, for, I mean, for me, and

601
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,040
maybe that's a good place to
just kind of dive into the nose

602
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,560
here, Brad.
There's always a note of banana

603
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,320
on Jack Jack Daniels.
Every.

604
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Every time.
And I think on some releases

605
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,320
this is very weird, but I'm
going to say it anyway.

606
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,320
It tips into like overripe
banana where I start getting

607
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,280
some off notes on it.
Like this in particular, it

608
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,880
started out really nice for me
as dusty leather, like there was

609
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640
tons of leather.
It had a nice spicy bourbon

610
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,200
smell to it.
And then I got a little bit of

611
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,200
banana and then it tipped into
this almost like savory oniony

612
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,120
type note for me.
And I think when you said funky,

613
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,280
like the oniony, you know, body
odor type smell was was on my

614
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,400
mind a little bit.
And I don't know if it's the

615
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,280
same thing you get when you
think funky, but that's where

616
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960
I'm at with this one.
You're going to love my note.

617
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,280
It reminds me of a French onion
sun chip.

618
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Oh yes, dude, Onion.
I don't know if I'm excited

619
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,000
about the Onion.
I'm excited that you picked up

620
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,480
on it and I'm not insane.
Yeah, no, I, I literally wrote

621
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,920
down to of the more unique notes
I've ever written on a on a nose

622
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,800
French onion sunship, which is
one of my favorite chips in the

623
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,000
world.
Very weird to smell it on a

624
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
whiskey.
But the other one, I kind of got

625
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:26,720
a bit of a Corn Pops vibe, kind
of like a sugary grain forward

626
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,720
experience.
There's some char here, there's

627
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,680
some black pepper.
It's very banana.

628
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,840
Y I'm I'm intrigued by this more
than any regular Jack Daniels,

629
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,840
but I am going to give it a 7
1/2.

630
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,720
Yeah, I'm in the same spot.
Like is it slightly concerning

631
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,080
that I got a note of onion on
this whiskey?

632
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,920
I don't know.
It's definitely unique.

633
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,560
I don't I I'm not going to
necessarily say it's a bad

634
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,720
thing.
And it's coupled with these

635
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,120
really nice sweet notes as well.
So I'm OK with it.

636
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
I think I am cautiously
optimistic.

637
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
And I'm also going to give this
a 7 1/2 bread.

638
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:08,920
As I've moved into the pallet,
this is so beautifully oaky.

639
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Like there is just so much oak
going on here.

640
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600
It has a, it has a really nice
Maple syrup vibe.

641
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,760
It's, it's a, it's got a bit of
like a nice honeyed wheat bread.

642
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,680
It gets Clovy the longer I sit
with it, some of the baking

643
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,400
spices really start to come
through.

644
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,000
I think that this is a really
pleasant, enjoyable and like

645
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,280
just complex enough of an
experience to jump it up to an 8

646
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,080
out of 10 for me on the palate.
Yeah, I get like butterscotch on

647
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,600
this.
I get a little bit of like, I

648
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,680
don't know, like an ice cream
cone, like a, like a sugar cone

649
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,840
or something.
When you get like the triangular

650
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680
ice cream cones, there's a,
there's like a lot of Sunday

651
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,080
vibes going on in this and I
really like that.

652
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:02,040
But I'm with you in that the oak
on this is so heavily oaky and

653
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,480
like almost bitter oak that it's
impressive to me that there is

654
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,040
so much decadence underneath it
that kind of balances it out

655
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,600
because at every single point of
the tasting experience, this

656
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,880
thing is threatening to get
taken over by sour, almost

657
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,080
bitter oak notes.
And I think that it says a lot

658
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560
about how they has these
incredible, almost like a weeded

659
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,120
bourbon kind of vibes underneath
it that are kind of keeping it

660
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,520
afloat.
And I can't tell if I think that

661
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,360
the the the two poles here are
in tension with each other or if

662
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,160
they're working really well
together.

663
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,840
But whatever the case, I'm
enjoying it.

664
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,360
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 like you.

665
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,280
Yeah.
And, and as we get to the

666
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,800
finish, the oakiness really
takes over for me.

667
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,160
It it gets a little bit bitter.
The banana almost turns into

668
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,000
like a little bit of a burnt
banana like you took like a

669
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,160
baking torch to it.
I believe we call that Bananas

670
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Foster, Brad, I'm.
Pretty sure we do, Bob.

671
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,360
I, I didn't want to, I didn't
want to step on your, you know,

672
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,720
steal your Thunder.
No, I I wanted you to have that

673
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,640
moment.
It's funny, Brad, how far we've

674
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,160
come in tasting whiskey that
like you made fun of me for that

675
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,840
note for a long time.
And that is not even remotely

676
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,400
the wildest.
Like that's a very tame note.

677
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Now in retros, we just got onion
on this dude.

678
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,680
Purple drank.
Purple drank.

679
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,640
There's some lemon zest.
It just gets sour for me.

680
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Bob it like it just gets sour.
It comes down a little bit on

681
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200
the finish.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10.

682
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,360
I'm in lock step with you, man.
It's it actually keeps itself

683
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,440
from getting too sour like we've
gotten on some toasted bourbons

684
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,920
before.
And I think that that banana, it

685
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,240
definitely turns into overripe
banana.

686
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,200
But you know what, honestly, I
as a dad have to eat over ripe

687
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
bananas all the time in my
household because my children

688
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
ask me to buy bananas and then
they don't eat them and I don't

689
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,800
want to let them go to waste.
And so it's like, this is either

690
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,120
going to become banana bread or
I'm going to power through it

691
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,560
right now.
And I've I guess I've just

692
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,440
gotten used.
To the flavor and you choose to

693
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,920
power through over ripe banana
instead of having banana.

694
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,240
Bread.
I mean, I'm not talking like

695
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,640
rotten banana, but like if if I
want to eat a banana and there's

696
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,200
no no good looking ones anymore
and it's like, well, this is

697
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,040
what I'm left with some spotty
bananas.

698
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,720
I guess what I'm saying is I'm
used to the flavor now.

699
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,080
It's not necessarily a turn off
for me at this point.

700
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,160
So I'm I'm with you on the
seven.

701
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,000
I had a post Christmas Christmas
miracle the other day.

702
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,920
Haley made some banana bread and
I, we had some friends over and

703
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,440
we ate it and then the next
morning there was like 1/4 of a

704
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,240
piece left and I was like, oh
man, like all the bananas

705
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,240
bread's gone.
I, I'm sad I only got like one

706
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,480
piece because it's freaking
amazing.

707
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,560
Sure.
And Haley goes, oh, I made two.

708
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
There's another one in the bread
and hot 0.

709
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,840
Dude, yes now does she?
Does your wife use her world

710
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200
famous sourdough to make the
banana bread?

711
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,880
Sometimes this was not a
sourdough recipe but she still

712
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,520
makes the best.
Like freaking anything in the

713
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,120
world.
But her banana bread is great.

714
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,200
I will say though, her sourdough
banana bread is ridiculously

715
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,400
good.
Well, on that note, let's get

716
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
into our balance here.
Oh.

717
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Oh, yeah, we're, we're talking
about whiskey.

718
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Yeah.
Not Your wife's sourdough film

719
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,400
and Sourdough is our next
podcast, Bread, Oh.

720
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,560
Dude, we should get we should
get Carrie and Hailey to start

721
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,120
their own.
I'd be OK with that.

722
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,440
So balance on this whiskey, I
think it's fairly well balanced

723
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:52,040
it like it never threatens to be
an upper echelon Jack Daniels

724
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,480
product that we've had, but it
never like the floor is pretty

725
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,800
high on this too.
You know what I mean?

726
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,240
Like it's consistently around an
8 and I think I'll give it an 8

727
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,160
out of 10 here.
I'll give it a 7 out of time on

728
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,320
balance, I think it just jumps
around a little bit too much in

729
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,240
quality for me to like give it a
high score.

730
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,240
I do think that this is a
enjoyable Jack Daniels

731
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,720
experience.
And at $85, I, I think I'm at

732
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,760
like a 6 1/2 on value.
Like I think that this is a it's

733
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,320
well worth the price.
It's a 10 year age stated

734
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280
product.
Like from a big distillery.

735
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Like I think 85 is a fair price.
It's just not quite there for me

736
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,720
to be super pumped about
spending $85.

737
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Yeah, I actually think 85 seems
a little overpriced.

738
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,560
And I know that we've we've
tended to use this maxim that

739
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
we've learned of like $10 per
year.

740
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,440
But and so it seems like you're
getting a deal at that point.

741
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,160
But even when I think about this
in comparison to like a

742
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,720
Russell's Reserve 10 year or do
you know, like there's just

743
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,440
other products out there that
can achieve A10 year age

744
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,120
statement And we're talking
about Jack Daniels, like in

745
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,240
terms of the volume of whiskey
they're producing, it doesn't

746
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,400
cost them that much to make a 10
year product.

747
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,760
Do I think it's exorbitantly
expensive?

748
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,600
No, but I think they can get
away with selling this for like

749
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,920
$65 and I would feel a lot
better about it.

750
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,520
So I'm going to give it.
I'll give it a six out of 10,

751
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,720
Brad, and that takes me out to a
36.5 out of 50.

752
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,800
Bob, we are literally you use
the word lockstep.

753
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,720
I'm at a 36 out of 50.
Year.

754
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:34,680
Oh, wow.
OK.

755
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,040
So we have kind of just tipped
into the region of our scores

756
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,080
where we start recommending
we're over that 35 out of 50

757
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:48,400
mark, but we're at just a 36.25.
So I guess my question to you is

758
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,520
do you recommend and how
strongly do you recommend?

759
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,480
I would recommend hesitantly,
like I would say that if you

760
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,240
know what Jack Daniels is as a
company, like the the product

761
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:07,560
they were typically put out and
you like it, like I'd say 100%

762
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,640
go for it.
This is a good Jack Daniels

763
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,040
experience.
If not, maybe try it at the bar.

764
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,280
Yeah, I don't think a pour of
this would be that expensive.

765
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
We're talking like, I don't
know, 15 bucks maybe.

766
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Like it's nice enough that it's
not a standard daily drinker,

767
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,120
but it's also not going to
really hurt you in the wallet if

768
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,160
you want to try something new.
So Brad, that kind of leaves us

769
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,920
in a similar place to where
we're at with this movie today.

770
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,240
Pretty good, but doesn't seem
like something that we're going

771
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,320
to sing his praises from the
mountain tops.

772
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,800
So what do you say we get back
into talking about The Big

773
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,720
Short?
Bob, First off, you forgot to

774
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,080
explain to the masses what a
Tennessee sour mash is.

775
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,880
So in order to do that, we're
going to turn things over to

776
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,160
famed actor Will Ferrell to
explain to you all what a

777
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,720
Tennessee sour mash is.
My favorite part is what it's

778
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,880
It's Margot Robbie.
Not because it's Margot Robbie,

779
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,360
but just because at the end of
her thing, she's like, got it.

780
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,880
Yeah, all right, enough cough.
Yeah, 100%.

781
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,840
I think that's how we not.
Not because it's Margot Robbie.

782
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,440
No, no, not at all.
All right, man, Let's get back

783
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:19,640
to it.
All right everybody, that was

784
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,280
Jack Daniels 10 year batch #3A
whiskey that doesn't deserve

785
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,240
that long of a name.
Probably.

786
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Probably just like Jack Daniel
tenure.

787
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,960
But a pretty good whiskey.
Pretty good.

788
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,880
Pretty good, yeah, Decent.
And I feel like I was going to

789
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,680
say, I feel like you think this
movie is only pretty good, Brad.

790
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,960
So we're in one of those rare
episodes where it's like

791
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,320
everything is a 7 out of 10, you
know?

792
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Yeah.
Basically.

793
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,120
Yeah, that's kind of.
That's kind of where I'm at,

794
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,720
Bob.
Well hey, maybe we can redeem

795
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,680
ourselves with our next game,
which we call 2 facts and a

796
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,840
falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stumpy

797
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:08,160
ball 2 alright. 2 facts and a
falsehood. 2 Facts and a

798
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,880
Falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad presents me with

799
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,760
three items as fact about the
making of this movie, one of

800
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,920
which is a complete lie.
Brad, I'm doing pretty well on

801
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,840
the season.
I think I've only got like what,

802
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,680
3 losses on the season?
So your boy is well above 500

803
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,440
and could afford to take an L if
need be today.

804
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840
I'd prefer not to though, so go
easy on me.

805
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,160
We'll, we'll see what happens,
Bob.

806
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Fact number one.
Each of the scenes explaining

807
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,640
financial jargon contains an
Easter egg.

808
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,240
A Monopoly game piece is hidden
somewhere on the screen.

809
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Margot Robbie's scene contains
the top hat, Anthony Bourdain's

810
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,120
has the shoe, and Anthony Thaler
and Selena Gomez's scene has the

811
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,400
battleship.
Fact #2 The real life doctor

812
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,240
Michael Bury named his hedge
fund company Scion Capital after

813
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,560
a favorite childhood book, The
Scions of Shannara.

814
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,840
Christian Bale is seen reading
that book in one of the first

815
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,640
scenes of the movie.
Fact #3 Author Michael Lewis

816
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,200
revealed in an interview that
Paramount Pictures allowed

817
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,080
director and screenwriter Adam
McKay to make this film only if

818
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,160
he agreed to make a sequel to
Anchorman, The Legend of Ron

819
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,360
Burgundy, which I Bob.
I want to hand out a film Me

820
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,440
right here, right now.
Go ahead.

821
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,800
Adam McKay, you have received
the film Me for First Director,

822
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,720
reviewed by the Film and Whiskey
Podcast.

823
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,320
Oh yeah, that's true.
Our very first episode was Adam

824
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,400
McKay.
Yeah, isn't that weird to think

825
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,360
about?
And then our second episode we

826
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,280
ever recorded, our first that we
really released for the podcast

827
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,640
was Goodfellas.
So we did Adam McKay and the

828
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,160
movie that Adam McKay ripped off
back-to-back.

829
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Yeah, sure did.
Here we are, man.

830
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,840
All right, I'm going to assume
#3 is true.

831
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,320
It just, it sounds plausible.
So for now, I'm going to set

832
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,840
that aside #2 I have no idea,
but it sounds fairly plausible.

833
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,760
Number one, I'm kind of drawn
to.

834
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,560
And it's funny because you know
how now they make a million

835
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,240
variants of Monopoly?
I can't remember all of the

836
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,280
original pieces from Monopoly.
Like I remember the thimble in

837
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,960
the top hat.
Is there a battleship in

838
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Monopoly?
I don't remember this.

839
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,280
Yeah.
Isn't there a dog there?

840
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,240
A little dog piece, too.
Yeah, there's a dog, an iron, a

841
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,920
battleship, a shoe, a top hat.
What the hell is this collection

842
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,840
of things?
And there's iron.

843
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,280
An iron tell you know something
was made in the 1920s and 30s.

844
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,600
Like well.
Just like one of one of the

845
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,480
things you do the most is iron
things.

846
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:56,480
All right, I'm going to say #1
is false, but it does sound like

847
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,440
something that would be weird
for you to pull out of your ass,

848
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,320
so I won't be surprised if I'm
wrong.

849
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,040
I'm still sticking with #1
though.

850
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,640
Bob, I did in fact, pull that
right out of my butt.

851
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,760
Yes.
You are a winner.

852
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,520
Was any part of that true, or
did you just completely make

853
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,720
that up?
I completely made it up start to

854
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,960
finish.
Is there a battleship piece in

855
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,200
Monopoly?
There is a battleship piece in

856
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,240
the.
OK, All right, cool.

857
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,240
That was the one part that was
true.

858
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,280
You know what?
There is also a battleship in.

859
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,520
What?
What's that, Robert?

860
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,880
That would be the game
Battleship.

861
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,040
Ah, yes.
So I was thinking of those kinds

862
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,200
of ships and I was like, there's
not one of those in Monopoly.

863
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Come on.
All right, man, Let's get back

864
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,960
into talking about this movie as
much as is necessary to finish

865
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,640
out this episode because I think
that we've kind of established

866
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,600
what we think of Adam McKay,
what we think of the acting in

867
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,960
this movie, what we think of the
overall success of the film.

868
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,440
What is there left to talk about
here, Brad?

869
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Nothing.
Final scores.

870
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,640
What do you think of the random
cutaways to celebrities to

871
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,320
explain complicated financial
things?

872
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,840
I like them.
They once again feel like a RIP

873
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,200
off from Scorsese.
I think that the thing I was

874
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,720
most confused about and still
like don't totally understand is

875
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:24,720
the synthetic CDO.
That is a wild thing.

876
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,440
And I like, I understand the
idea of the banks betting that

877
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,880
what Christian Bale and the
others are betting will happen,

878
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,120
won't happen like they're
betting against what they're

879
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,480
thinking is going to happen.
But the actual mechanics of how

880
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480
they did it is the part that I'm
still like.

881
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,920
I don't know if I understand.
I think what's happening, that

882
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,240
particular scene in this movie
is probably the most poorly

883
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,360
paced scene in the movie because
it's supposed to be the real

884
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
tipping point.
And there's a line that Gosling

885
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,200
has as narrator because you're
sitting in this like Benihana

886
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,240
watching Steve Carell talk to
the CDO manager.

887
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,560
And it is slowly revealed
because this guy is such a big

888
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,920
pompous douche that we're not
even talking about betting on

889
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,440
mortgages anymore.
There is a mortgage insurance

890
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,920
market that is being bet on that
is actually 20 times bigger than

891
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,440
the mortgages themselves.
And because there is so much

892
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,800
kind of shady betting going on
on these things that if these

893
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,040
underlying bonds fail, it's
going to be 20 times bigger of a

894
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,440
fallout than we could have
possibly imagined.

895
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,960
And they were already imagining
it was going to tank the

896
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,720
American economy.
And so Gosling says something

897
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,640
like, you know, if, if the CD OS
were the match and these

898
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,600
tranches or whatever where the
fuse then like the synthetic CD

899
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,640
OS where the atomic bomb.
But it's so much information so

900
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,960
quickly after you've already
been kind of struggling to keep

901
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,520
up that it, it becomes such an
avalanche of information for me

902
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,120
that I, I almost, my brain
almost is just like, I can't

903
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,720
follow this anymore, dude.
Like, I know this is bad, but I

904
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,280
can no longer grasp of the
gravity of how bad this is.

905
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,840
And I know how it ends.
So I guess this is the thing

906
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,640
that tipped us into financial
crisis.

907
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,720
But yes, you know.
And like, that's the problem

908
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,760
with the movie is that it, it
strives to not lose you in the

909
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,920
jargon and then it does.
And like, because like you said,

910
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,640
I didn't think of it before, but
because you know, the outcome,

911
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,160
it's kind of like, well, I'm
here for the technical stuff.

912
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,800
Like, I, I know what happens.
I know the devastating impact

913
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,480
that this event has on America.
What I don't know is the

914
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,600
technical elements of what's
going on.

915
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,400
And you've been trying to tell
me these technical elements the

916
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,400
whole freaking movie.
And so now you've just spun it

917
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,440
out into oblivion and it's chaos
in the maelstrom.

918
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,600
And I, I don't understand what's
going on.

919
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,240
And so the rest of the movie, I
was just sitting there going,

920
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:12,960
what the heck is a synthetic CDO
not Oh my gosh, look at the

921
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,200
impact that this event is
having.

922
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,480
The Big Short is one of the all
time great YouTube clip movies.

923
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Like I when I'm scrolling
through YouTube shorts it comes

924
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,960
up a lot.
But even if you just type in

925
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,840
like the Big short clips, every
good scene in this movie is on

926
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,640
YouTube.
And it is like perfectly

927
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,080
structured for like 6 minute
clips where you get an entire

928
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,560
financial term explained to you
with an appearance by Margot

929
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Robbie or Anthony Bourdain or
whatever.

930
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,960
And you get, you know, all the
characters at the end going, Oh

931
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,280
my God, this is going to be so
bad for the economy.

932
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,440
And then the clip's over.
And I think that the seeing the

933
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,000
movie again strung together with
all those clips in its totality

934
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,320
this time through made me kind
of wonder how this works as a

935
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:07,080
movie instead of just as short
lessons that you could watch on

936
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,400
YouTube.
And I've never really had this

937
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,960
experience.
We've had a couple movies where

938
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,160
I've talked about the YouTube
ability of the movie, but this

939
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,400
almost is like a an online
training module of a movie.

940
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,080
And I think it works better in
like 8 minute chunks than it

941
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,160
works as a 2 hour movie.
Yeah, 100%.

942
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,800
And a lot of those individual
scenes are great and interesting

943
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,200
and funny and informative and,
and, you know, dreadful and all

944
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,760
of these things.
I don't think that the sum of

945
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,080
all the parts is greater or this
the whole is greater than the

946
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,320
sum of the parts, like the whole
is lesser than the sum of the

947
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,600
parts.
You know what I mean?

948
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,960
Brad, I think this is a really
good spot for us to get into our

949
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,040
final segment of the day, which
we call let's make it a double.

950
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,400
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks for listening

951
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,400
to the film and Whiskey Show.
Let's pair another film with

952
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,840
this one, even if it's
struggling.

953
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,200
It's the final segment of the
day.

954
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,920
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is

955
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,360
presented by Blackwood
Distilling Company.

956
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,400
It's the part of the show where
we pick a movie to pair up with

957
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,000
this one to make the perfect
double feature.

958
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,400
Brad, the reason I said I think
this is a good time to get into

959
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,200
let's make it a double is
because at the end of the day,

960
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,800
as much as this movie mimics
Scorsese in a lot of ways, I

961
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,320
actually think the person that
Adam McKay is ripping off the

962
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,640
most is the documentary of
filmmaker Michael Moore.

963
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,920
Do you remember what Michael
Moore was a thing in like the

964
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,320
mid 2000s?
He had that movie that he made

965
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,720
about George Bush, Fahrenheit
9/11, and it was a documentary

966
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,000
that made $250 million at the
box office office.

967
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,920
Like it was a big deal.
And he got, he got booed off

968
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,920
stage I think at the Golden
Globes that year.

969
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,400
Like it was a crazy time to be a
documentary filmmaker.

970
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,480
Michael Moore does a very
particular kind of documentary,

971
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,880
which I don't think you can
really even call documentary.

972
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,120
He takes real life people and
puts them in manufactured

973
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,880
scenarios as his way of proving
a didactic point about

974
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,440
something.
And so Fahrenheit 911 is a lot

975
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,080
more archive footage.
But he made a a movie called

976
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,080
Sicko a couple years after that
that kind of tackled the

977
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,480
healthcare crisis in the United
States.

978
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,040
And one of the big centerpieces
of that movie is a lot of

979
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,120
victims.
Families from 911 were denied

980
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,160
medical care for the victim on
site.

981
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,400
And Michael Moore orchestrated
an illegal trip for all these

982
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,000
people to Cuba to receive
medical care as his way of

983
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,560
demonstrating that even Cuba has
better healthcare than the

984
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,800
United States.
And it's this big sensationalist

985
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,160
way of making movies.
Now, did these people receive

986
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,000
real healthcare where these
actual people?

987
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,360
Yes.
But it's also this like

988
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,000
incredibly manufactured over
sensationalized way of making a

989
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
point.
And this entire movie feels so

990
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,240
similar to how Michael Moore
makes movies that it's almost

991
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:15,120
like you could give Michael
Moore a budget and say your job

992
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,800
is to film recreations of things
that really happened where Steve

993
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,040
Carell is playing the recreator.
And that's what this is.

994
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,560
And I think that was kind of the
key for me to understand.

995
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,960
What doesn't totally work about
this movie for me is that it

996
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,360
feels like a high budget
recreation.

997
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,600
Then it feels like people acting
a movie out.

998
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,000
I don't know.
Does that make sense?

999
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,040
Yeah, 100%.
Dude.

1000
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,720
There.
There's so many parts of this

1001
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:46,720
film that just leave me wanting
a little bit more, I and I, so

1002
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,840
yeah, I'm with you.
Are are you pairing this

1003
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,800
officially with a Michael Moore
film then?

1004
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Yeah, I think it probably pairs
best with Sicko, a movie that I

1005
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,960
actually kind of like by Michael
Moore.

1006
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,760
So if you're ever going to dip
your toe into the world with

1007
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,680
Michael Moore, I'll say I'll
pair The Big Short with Sicko.

1008
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,520
I think for me, I I'm just going
to go completely out in the left

1009
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,760
field, maybe over the fence,
maybe a foul ball, who knows.

1010
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,000
We're going to pair this
primarily because I just want to

1011
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,160
watch like a political thriller
paired with this movie.

1012
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,520
I'm going to go with The
Manchurian Candidate.

1013
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,520
Which one, the original or the
Denzel?

1014
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,160
You know it because the Big
Short is a lesser version of

1015
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,760
Wolf of Wall Street.
I'm going to go with the lesser

1016
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,520
version of The Manchurian
Candidate and say the newer 1.

1017
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,440
The Denzel Washington version.
I love it, dude.

1018
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,280
All right, so Brad's picking
Manchurian Candidate 2 point O,

1019
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
I'm picking sicko.
I will say that there are some

1020
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,640
really good movies that have
been made over the last 15 years

1021
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,840
about the financial crisis.
There's a really good

1022
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,600
documentary called Inside Job
that's about this whole thing.

1023
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,880
There's a movie called Margin
Call, which is an actual movie,

1024
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,960
and it is a dramatized,
fictionalized movie about the

1025
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,880
way that this all went down,
where it takes place inside of a

1026
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,160
fictional bank and how the banks
moved their money around to

1027
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,120
cover up the fact that people
were shorting them and how that

1028
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,280
act ultimately caused the bottom
to fall out.

1029
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,560
It's a movie where Jeremy Irons
plays the CEO of the bank.

1030
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,640
You've got Stanley Tucci in this
movie, Kevin Spacey's in the

1031
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,480
movie.
It is just, it's stacked.

1032
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,160
It's an incredible movie, Brad.
It's like an hour and 45

1033
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,480
minutes, you're in, you're out.
I I would highly recommend you

1034
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,240
watch Margin Call.
Why didn't you make that your?

1035
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,800
Let's make it a double Bob.
I actually want to pair it with

1036
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,400
the Michael Moore movie, but I
also want to suggest that people

1037
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,840
try out Margin Call.
It's an underseen movie.

1038
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,960
OK, well I'm going to go watch
Margin Call 'cause that sounds

1039
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,360
fascinating and I like all of
the actors that you named, so

1040
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,560
I'm in.
There you go, let's Make It a

1041
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,040
Double was brought to you by
Blackwood Distilling Company.

1042
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,160
No matter what movie you pick to
pair this with, you can always

1043
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,160
make it a double with Blackwood
Distilling Company.

1044
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,960
Brad final scores.
I think this movie, I talked

1045
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,480
myself down.
I was at like a 7 1/2 because I

1046
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,080
do think it's a well made movie
and I think that it is

1047
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,720
ultimately successful, but I
think I'm going to come all the

1048
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,320
way down to A7 on this one.
I'm I'm right there with you

1049
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,200
Bob.
This is a 7 out of 10 well made

1050
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,120
movie.
Entertaining, got me thinking,

1051
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,600
kept me up half the night.
But overall, I don't know if I

1052
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,800
really want to come back to it.
As I look out at our movies for

1053
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,720
the rest of this season, there's
a lot of 2015 films here and I

1054
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,440
didn't realize how good of a
movie year 2015 was.

1055
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,120
But you know, we did The
Revenant already a couple

1056
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,360
seasons ago.
We just did Fury Rd. last week.

1057
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,000
We're doing The Big Short this
week.

1058
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,360
In a couple weeks we'll be
looking at Inside Out.

1059
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,480
That was a 2015 film.
We'll be watching Creed, the

1060
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,160
boxing film, and then we're
going to be watching the Best

1061
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,080
Picture winner Spotlight a
little bit later on this season.

1062
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,600
It'll be end up being one of our
most represented years on film

1063
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,160
and whiskey.
Yeah, that is absolutely wild.

1064
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:17,040
Apparently, there's a lot of
opportunities for 2015 to become

1065
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,320
a like the epitome of a modern
classic type of year.

1066
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,960
You know it, man.
So all that said, it's a 7 from

1067
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,160
us on the Big Short, but we'd
like to know what you think.

1068
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,320
Has this movie stuck with you
And like, crucially, have you

1069
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,120
seen this movie as a movie
lately or have you just been

1070
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,800
watching it on YouTube like I
have?

1071
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,320
I'd like to hear from you.
You can find us on any of our

1072
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,600
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Instagram, Tiktok or YouTube at

1073
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,840
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Or if you want to join the

1074
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,080
conversation, you can join us on
our Discord server.

1075
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,520
We are on there every single day
talking about the Film and

1076
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Whiskey podcast.
So if you want to join the

1077
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,000
conversation, there's a link at
the end of every single one of

1078
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,440
our show notes.
I talked earlier about the Ohio

1079
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,680
native John Magaro and how he is
in one of my favorite movies of

1080
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,360
all time.
We're going to be watching that

1081
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,760
movie next week.
It's 2023's Past Lives Brad.

1082
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,960
I am freaking pumped for this
one dude.

1083
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,120
Let's go, dude.
I I am very very excited to

1084
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,400
watch this on a normal size
screen that is not the back of

1085
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,480
an airplane seat.
So join us for Past lives next

1086
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,400
week, but until then, I'm Bob
Book.

1087
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,400
Object to the Tits.
And we'll see you next time.