The Avengers / New Riff 8-Year Kentucky Straight Bourbon

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In 2012, director Joss Whedon
and star Robert Downey Junior

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gave the world the first taste
of a super ensemble that would

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consume the world of cinema.
In 2024, we try a fan favorite

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brand that's getting up there in
age, Brad.

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The film is Avengers.
The whiskey is New Riff

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eight-year Kentucky straight
bourbon.

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We'll review them both.
This is.

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The Film and Whiskey podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
Brad, we have finally arrived.

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It's MCU Ville now.
From here on out, baby.

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This is the peak of our podcast,
Robert.

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I am never get better than this.
Dude I'm putting in overtime on

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Disney plus from from here till
the end of our season.

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Between MCU and Star Wars, it's
all Disney all the time.

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I saw a Instagram reel the other
day which means that this is

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true that I think it was 29% of
all hours like time.

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Not like individual episodes
lost, but of all time.

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Disney plus 29% of it is bluey
good.

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Isn't that why like listen?
I, they, I think you're going to

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say it was all spent on The
Avengers.

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And I was like.
No Bluey, a 7 minutes kids show

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made in Australia.
It's freaking great man.

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I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe if The Avengers took notes

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from Bluey.
I'd still be interested in the

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MCU dude.
Is anybody?

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Here's my question to the
audience.

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Is anybody still interested in
the MCU?

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I see, here's the thing, man,
like I I'm going to build off of

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your question with a question,
Brad, and it has to do with like

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when I first saw this movie,
which I will say up front, Brad,

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Avengers one good movie.
I love this movie.

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Very very good fun time with
movies.

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Yes, loved it when I saw it.
Loved it again when I watched it

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just for the podcast.
The little end credits teaser

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for Thanos showing up where they
just show Thanos crappy CGI, you

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know, ball sack chin in the
movie theater.

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I didn't know what that was.
I don't know who that was.

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I didn't read comics growing up.
So like, do I have familiarity

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with the character of Captain
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Absolutely.
But when they show pink Hulk, he

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looks like a pink Hulk.
I was like, oh snap, here he

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comes.
Pink Hulk baby.

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And then like I heard people on
the on, you know, on the way out

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of the theater going like, oh,
that was Thanos.

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Do you know about Thanos and his
friend being like, no, I don't

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know about Thanos.
I feel like between the time

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that hit in 2012 and the time
this all wrapped up in 2019,

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both society wanted us to know
all the intricacies of all these

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comics and the general
population tried to convince

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each other that we all knew the
back story of all these.

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I don't know why it was so
important to us to pretend like

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we were all nerds who read comic
books.

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Back in the 80s and 90s.
I'm a nerd who watched movies

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growing up.
That's my nerdy thing.

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I'm a nerd who played video
games.

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I don't need to be a nerd who
read comic books, do you know

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what I mean?
And I, like, I think the most

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frustrating thing was that we
all had to pretend like we knew

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what the Infinity Stones were
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Yes.
Dude IA 100% agree with you.

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The only reason I knew who Iron
Man was was because of my video

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game nerddom and I remember
playing.

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You remember the old like arcade
style side scroller punch em out

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fighter games back in the 90s
like on the Super Nintendo and

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the Sega I I just remember
playing a Marvel Avengers.

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I don't know what the name of
the game was, but it was one of

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those side scrolling action
fighter games and one of the

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characters you could play as was
Iron Man and like.

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That is the 100% extent of my
knowledge about Iron Man before

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I walked into a theater in 2008.
Well, I think, you know, I want

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to get to like our actual
episode.

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And folks, by the way, hello.
Hi, this is film and whiskey.

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We talk about movies, we talk
about whiskey this season.

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What we're talking about is the
highest grossing film of each

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year from 1988 to 2019.
So we're going year by year and

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we're trying to figure out why
did America love this movie so

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much?
And with The Avengers, it's

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pretty easy to put two and two
together.

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Brad.
This is what we would now refer

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to as Phase One of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe.

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And I remember when Marvel first
kind of announced that we're

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doing a cinematic universe,
everybody was like, cool thumbs

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up.
You know, like, what does that

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even mean?
I don't think we understood the

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extent to which everything would
be inundated and saturated with

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Marvel for the next 10 years
moving forward.

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But to set the stage for our
conversation, I feel like we

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kind of need to situate
ourselves in what was the

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superhero film in 2012, right?
Like we had, you know, we've,

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we've looked at Tim Burton's
Batman, we've talked about the

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Spider Man films and the X-Men,
X-Men films.

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And then you hit 2008 and you
get both Christopher Nolan's The

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Dark Knight and you get Iron
Man, which really kick starts

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the MCU.
You have the crappy Ed Norton

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Incredible Hulk movie, you get a
Thor movie.

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I'm pretty sure the second Thor
movie also comes out before

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Avengers.
And you get at least one more

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Iron Man and a Captain America.
And then they're like, we're

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gonna bring all these people
together.

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It's gonna be a fun team up
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And it really did feel like an
event, even though I would say

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to this point, the average
moviegoer still wasn't really

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clamoring for every specific
subsequent Marvel release.

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Like, I didn't see either of the
Thor movies in the theater.

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I didn't catch the first Captain
America till it came to video.

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Like, you know, I watched them
all to video.

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Yeah, I like, I remember renting
it to VHS, Betamax, But I mean,

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like, I saw all the movies, but
it wasn't like this huge.

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We have to see every Marvel
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And then The Avengers happened,
and it felt like everything kind

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of like jelled.
Finally, for Marvel, this was a

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big deal in 2012.
Oh, if you man, I'm, I don't

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know what our audience numbers
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I feel like most of our audience
is like 25 to 35 year old men.

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Is, is that right, Bob?
Yeah, that's fair.

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OK so most of them would
remember this coming out, but if

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you are young enough that you
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out, think about End Game but
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Does that make sense?
That was not my experience at

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all.
I want to hear more about how

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you how you perceived it.
Well, in my mind, well, maybe

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I'm wrong, maybe I'm kind of
flipping the ideas.

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I feel like End Game, every
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went to because you had to go
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Avengers was still at the front
enough that not as much of the

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general public saw it.
In my experience, it felt like

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still, there's a more hardcore
audience who was like, sucked in

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by The Avengers, Marvel
Universe, that was like, oh, we

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have to see this in theatre.
Whereas by the time you hit End

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Game, it's like, you know, your
grandma's going to see End Game

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even though she's never heard of
the word Marvel.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it definitely felt more

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like an obligation by the end of
it, whereas this one was more

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like, I thought four kind of
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And you know, I, I'm iffy on
Iron Man 2, but it looks like

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they're finally going to get it
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And I think it's going to be
worth going to the theater just

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to see superheroes punch stuff
for two hours and.

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Let me tell you, it really was.
And they do.

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They punched.
Stuff it was.

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It was such a fun movie.
I probably saw it twice in

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theaters, which is, you know,
saying something.

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Bob.
We would have been what, 21

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probably when this came out?
Yep.

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So like we're, we're the peak
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We were everything that they
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Well, and this came out in the
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Rises, which was, I will be
frank with you people, it was

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more anticipated than The
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Like The Avengers was like, you
know, I viewed that like the

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Marvel stuff at the time as
like, they're gonna be selling

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Happy Meals, but like
Christopher Nolan's Batman.

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This is cinema.
The Dark Knight was cinema.

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And then I saw The Dark Knight
Rises and I was like, wow,

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that's 45 minutes too long.
And it wasn't nearly as good.

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And I came out of that summer
thinking like, yeah, you know

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what?
Avengers was probably actually a

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better movie than The Dark
Knight Rises, and it wasn't

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trying to do as much.
And I like that about it.

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And it felt like Marvel was like
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thing.
And within within like seven

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years, it's crazy how much my
opinion on Marvel changed.

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But this movie is still kind of
unblemished in my memory, even

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after watching it this time
because it just it throws me

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back to a time where I felt like
these team up movies had kind of

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unlimited potential.
And they were still just leading

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into like, these are going to be
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We're not taking ourselves too
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It's going to be a fun movie.
And man, do I wish that they

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were still happening like this,
Brad. 100% there there is so

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much going on in this film that
I really enjoy, even down to the

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flaws in this film.
They feel like flaws that fit a

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superhero genre.
The movie that I'm just kind of

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like, yeah, the the acting is a
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and the villain is about as
paper thin as paper thin comes,

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but it it a the villain is
written as written as paper

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thin.
Tom Hiddlestead, great villain,

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kills, yeah, kills the villain.
People forget how good Loki is

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as a real honest to goodness
villain because we've done so

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much to make him like an anti
hero now that.

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Well they they YTT D him.
He got YTT D He did.

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That's funny.
Tell me I'm wrong.

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No, you're not wrong.
You started with with White and

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I didn't know where you were
going with that.

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It was like, oh, this is going
to be he's.

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He's a whitewashing.
He's a whitewashed Tomb Bob.

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There you go, he's.
Clean on the outside.

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All right, Brad, it's time for
us to get into our first segment

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of the day, which we call Brad
explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call, Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the film that he has
just seen, often for the first

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time.
Now, Brad, we know you watched

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this at least twice in theaters.
How many times do you think

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you've seen The Avengers between
2012 and and this viewing?

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Zero.
Oh, you took a 12 year hiatus?

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I sure did.
Wow.

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OK, I've never, I don't think
I've ever gone back.

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Oh, man, Iron Man for the
podcast and maybe one or two

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other times.
But other than that, I I haven't

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returned to the MCU, Bob.
It's really pleasant to go back

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to.
I don't know what it is about

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like it it hit us at just the
right time, but this feels

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nostalgic.
Every time I watch it.

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It reminds me of the feeling I
get when I watch the original

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Sam Raimi Spider Man, kind of.
Oh, what a movie.

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Can we just talk about Spider
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Yeah.
Like just pivot to that.

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Just completely pivot, Bob.
I would agree with you that

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there's something about that
stage of life.

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And, you know, for this film,
Whiskey Nation, like we're

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talking 100% about Bob and Brad
in 2012.

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But like, there's something
about that stage of life,

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20/21/22 years old, There's
unlimited potential ahead of us.

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We felt like we could conquer
the world.

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Yeah.
And as we were in the midst of

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that feeling, you're right, man.
The Marvel, the early Marvel

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films were just so much fun.
Yeah, dude.

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Like they were still finding
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way that they didn't take
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yet fought serious threats.
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I don't know, man, there.

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There was just so much to love
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MCU.
Honestly, just calling it Phase

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Like it was just the early era
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Yeah, it calling it phase one
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more organized effort than it
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And it wasn't.
Let's just set the record

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straight right now.
Like, everybody acts like,

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what's his name?
Kevin Feige.

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Feige.
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Feige is like this brilliant
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everything.
But it is not like if you do any

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research on the origins of the
franchise, they legitimately

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were like, hey, let's like
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and maybe have one big smash up
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make a bunch, you know,
hopefully we'll make a bunch of

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money and that'll be it.
Like that was the first four

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years of the MCU and it wasn't
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they realized like, oh, people
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interweaving of stories, the
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they they turned it into a money
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far as like what the directors
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treating the characters.
All right, man, we've gotten

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very far afield on, Brad
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You have a minute on the clock.
We're still on, Brad explains.

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To break down the plot of the
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Folks, this is spoilerific, so
if you've not watched The

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Avengers, what are you doing and
where have you been for 12

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Go watch The Avengers come back

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and listen to Brad Break it down
one minute and go.

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The Avengers is a film about
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The the end.
These superheroes are separate

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and they're all going their own
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You have the Hulk, you have Iron
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Thor, Black Widow and Hawkeye.
So there's six Avengers and

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they're all about avenging
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And so they come together to
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stole the Tesseract and he's
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a portal and a bunch of aliens
are going to blow crap up and

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it's going to be terrible.
So they join together, but then

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they suck and Loki blows stuff
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and Agent Coulson was like
really cool and he had trading

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cards, Captain America and
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And they're like, we got to
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And then they then the portal
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York and the Hulk is smashing
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Beating his time and that's
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No, stop freaking cool, Bob.
Oh man, the Brad G stream of

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consciousness, there's trading
cards and there's blood and the

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portal opens up.
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the the the writers rooms on the
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sounds like you know what I mean
yes, we need to put the cards in

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and then there's the portal like
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they're trying to do the fan
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They're like pushing their
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their nails.
Exactly.

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Exactly.
All right, man.

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It's The Avengers we've arrived.
Where do you want to start

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today?
Let's just start in a fun place.

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What do you love about this
movie, Bob?

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What?
What just made you feel happy?

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Do you know what it is?
It it's like, I don't want to

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call it the shagginess.
I don't want to call it the

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looseness.
But there there is a looseness

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to the performances that feels
like a some of them are still

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figuring out like, who's the
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But also like Joss Whedon is is
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scriptwriter.
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both to kind of write this movie
and kind of guide it through the

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various types of characters that
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far.
So like, you've got Thor, who

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basically talks in Shakespearean
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You've got Captain America,
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And then you've got Tony Stark,
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And how do you make these kinds
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other?
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Brad, was how not bland and how
not micromanaged these

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performances were.
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you know, Tony Stark early on,
you can tell like, oh, this is

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very different than how he would
play Tony Stark nine years later

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or whatever it might be.
But this is Ruffalo's first go

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round.
Like, 'cause remember, Edward

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Norton was the Hulk in the Hulk
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And so they bring in Ruffalo.
Easy to work with Edward Norton.

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And it sounds like from all
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really easy to work with Guy,
Yes, but this is his first time

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playing this character.
And I really love the sort of

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like haunted, tortured a little
bit like he's got his little

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ticks to his Bruce Banner.
I thought it played beautifully.

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you get the tension between

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Captain America and Iron Man.
I just thought that the acting

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in this movie was really, really
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And it's been a long time since
I've seen an MCU movie and

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thought anything more than just
like, oh, yeah, he was the

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perfect guy for this defined
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It wasn't that.
It was more just like, wow,

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these actors are doing a good
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And I haven't had that feeling
in a long time with MCUA. 100%

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it.
It felt like they were really

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exploring their characters and
still learning what all of their

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quirks and oddities and
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And I'm glad you brought up Mark
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who stood out to me.
Like, I don't think he's a

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perfect actor in this film, but
the moment where he finds out

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that they're actually using the
Tesseract to make weapons and he

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starts to get angry, but he's
holding it in and like, trying

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not to become the Hulk bro.
I was blown away with the depth

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of emotion that you feel of his
performance.

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Yeah, 100%, man.
And you know, The funny thing is

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you asked me to to rave about
things I love, but I I kind of

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have to fold in like some of
what I didn't like about the

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movie because it's also
endearing to me.

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And it's that like one of the
notes I took was like, this is a

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Tubi ass looking movie.
Like it looks like ATV show that

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was made for Tubi.
It there's something about it

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just doesn't have a very
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It was filmed on digital, but it
was filmed on digital in such a

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way that like it kind of looks
like when you see like a behind

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the scenes featurette from a
movie and they're showing you

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like how they're filming the
stunt, but it's clearly not the

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completed shot.
Every shot looks like that.

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I don't know how to explain it
other than it looks like ATV

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show.
And then there's like every once

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in a while there's a shot that
they're like, let's put $800,000

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into this one shot.
And then you're like, this is

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movie making.
Do you know what I mean?

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But I think even that even the
fact that there's like these

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weird Dutch angles and the scene
you were talking about where

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everyone starts arguing because
the tesseract is starting to

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like manipulate their thoughts a
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And you get that stupid like it,
it flips upside down to show you

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how their relationships have
been flipped upside down.

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Even that I was like, I love it,
this is stupid and it's great

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because it's the last time the
MCU took any sort of risk in the

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movie making.
I was actually going to say I

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actually really liked that scene
because like the the like the

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classic reason you use a Dutch
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And if you don't know, a Dutch
angle is simply a shot that is

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from way too high or way too low
to emphasize the oddity of a

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situation or that things are
going sideways.

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Yeah, and and specifically it's
like off kilter too, like it's

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at a slanted angle.
Yes, and like the moment they

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flip to a Dutch angle in that
fight scene, it almost reminds

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me of Lord of the Rings when
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and you get that like weird
whiny pitch coming out.

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Like the the in the Lord of the
Rings, they used sound to show

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how off kilter and messed up
things are right then and there.

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And in here they use the camera
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And I like, I think it's a great
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massive amount throughout the
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They just use it there to show
how things are going wrong.

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And I'm like, that's a good use
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There's also some really great,
and I don't even want to call

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them great shots, but they plan
the shots out really well

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because there's quite a few of
these shots where like it'll

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start with Hawkeye and then
somebody will fly by and then

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look, it's Black Widow flying.
And so they'll like follow Black

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Widow for a while and then
they'll pan over and there's

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Hulk and they show every member
of the party working in

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conjunction with each other as a
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And it's a great way of
demonstrating like these guys

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actually do have this synergy
and they form a really great

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team.
And I just, I love that it's

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it's this very kind of
rudimentary style of film

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making, but it still feels so
much more like passionate and

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alive than what we get when the
Russo Brothers take over making

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these movies.
I don't think Joss Whedon is any

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sort of like artistic genius
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But it just it.
Feels like it has the energy of

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a guy who really loved this
stuff as a kid versus two guys

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who are making something that is
designed to be consumed and then

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spat back out.
Do you know what I mean?

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Like there's, there's like AI
don't want to call it a fanboy

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energy here because that's not
like that word has too many

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connotations.
But like, I don't know, it has

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the the energy of a guy who
loves what he's doing.

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It's joyful.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it it is joyful and it
feels sincere.

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And you, you're right.
This movie is shaggy and it has

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a lot of rough edges, but it's
that joy at the center that

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really drives this movie and and
is what makes me like coming

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back to it this time.
Go, man, I just had a lot of fun

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watching that film.
I mean, here's here's how.

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Here's the praise that I'll give
it.

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Bob, my wife sat down after a
very long day of work and baking

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and getting ready for a farmers
market and doing all sorts of

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stuff.
And I was like, hey, babe, I'm

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just going to watch like the
first hour this and finish it

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tomorrow because we're recording
the next day.

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And she sat down with me and we
watched the entire movie and

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like she wouldn't.
I was like, I I like pause it at

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a certain point, I think after
Coulson dies.

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And I was like, all right, you
ready to go to bed, babe?

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I'm getting kind of tired.
She's like, no, you did this to

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me.
You got me invested.

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Well, and crucially, I think
it's it's a well made movie

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because when that happens, it's
at like the hour and 25 ish

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minute mark somewhere in there
and there's like 55 minutes left

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in the movie.
And from that point on, it's

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like all action, like the the
siege on the boat to the end of

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the film.
It's, it's action, a quick lull

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and then the battle of New York.
And, and I think that it has so

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much kind of propulsion behind
it that it's really, really

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thrilling.
And, you know, Brad, it reminds

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me, I went this past weekend to
see the new movie Bad Boys.

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What's not bad boys for life,
Bad Boys ride or die.

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It's the fourth one in the Bad
Boys franchise now, Brad.

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Who knew that there would be a
Bad Boys franchise?

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I have never seen any of the Bad
Boys films front to back, but I

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was bored on Thursday night and
I wanted to go see something.

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The the first two Bad Boys films
were directed by Michael Bay.

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And so they've tried to kind of
maintain like the look of a

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Michael Bay movie with these
last two.

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And I have to say, dude, like it
was fun as hell.

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I had so much fun watching that
movie because it was it was

445
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,280
every kind of action you could
want.

446
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,440
It was goofy action.
It was Michael Bay type, We take

447
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,640
ourselves too seriously action.
There was some really inventive

448
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,040
camera work and movies like
that.

449
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,160
They they exude this sort of
joyousness and that's kind of

450
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,520
the last time I felt like this
with the MCU.

451
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,960
It's the last time that a movie
like this feels like it belongs

452
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,920
in the Canon of action movies
rather than just in the category

453
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,320
of superhero film.
Because they become so paint by

454
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,080
numbers and so rote and the
action is so bland.

455
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:30,120
And I, I just feel like they
devolve so quickly that this one

456
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,200
really does feel like I want to
put it in a group with, you

457
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,800
know, other movies we've watched
this year.

458
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,640
There's a ton of Independence
Day in there.

459
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,560
I want to put this next to True
Lies.

460
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Like I I just feel like they
they all go hand in hand more

461
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,760
than the rest of the slop that
we got 7 years after this.

462
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,040
Yeah, and I, I wonder if it
comes from a focus on the wrong

463
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,160
thing.
You know what I mean?

464
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,920
Like the the people in charge of
the Marvel Cinematic Universe

465
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,920
where like.
Oh my gosh, the people love this

466
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,640
type of self deprecating humor
and they love all the tie

467
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,480
insurance.
So that's all we're going to do.

468
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,440
We're going to hire Taika
Waititi, who, side note, I like

469
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200
him, I like his movies.
I think he just kind of overdoes

470
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,680
his style a little bit.
But overall I like him.

471
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,400
But he, like Thor Ragnarok
became the entire Marvel

472
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Cinematic Universe and they just
focused on like those two things

473
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,360
and they, it feels like they
lost the joy, the, the, that

474
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,520
energy that you had at the
center of those movies.

475
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,760
Even like the end of this movie
where you get the voice over

476
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,160
from Samuel L Jackson that is
kind of reminiscent of the Gary

477
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,240
Oldman voice over at the end of
The Dark Knight.

478
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,520
But you're just watching these
guys go back to their normal

479
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,600
lives and you, you really want
to see, you know, Tony Stark and

480
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,040
Pepper Potts get, get married
and have their life together

481
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
And, and they're just like, hey,
if we need them again, they'll

482
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,680
be back.
And there's something about how,

483
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,680
I don't want to say slight, but
like, yes, the, the world is at

484
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,000
stake in this movie, but they
don't feel forced into anything.

485
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,400
They don't feel like, all right,
this is going to resolve itself

486
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,160
7 movies from now.
It's just like, here's the close

487
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,720
of this fun mashup movie we did.
And if we need to make another

488
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,920
one, we will.
And there was something about

489
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,680
like, oh, that's cool.
I'd love to spend more time with

490
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,960
these characters.
Not, oh, damn it, I got to watch

491
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,520
like eight more of these things,
you know?

492
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,480
And again, I keep, I keep
painting this really stark

493
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,840
difference in in just the span
of seven years.

494
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,800
But it feels like once the
machinery got moving, it

495
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,560
couldn't be stopped anymore.
And it's just nice to see what

496
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,760
the machinery looked like the
day it got installed.

497
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,400
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it, it feels a little more

498
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
like a, like a city lights
Charlie Chaplin machinery that's

499
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,120
like just fun and spitting him
around and a good time versus

500
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,320
the, you know, I don't know the,
the Terminator machinery that's

501
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,400
murdering humans, right.
All right, all right, man,

502
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,280
listen, before we go to break,
is there anything else you want

503
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,560
to talk?
I just feel like we've been

504
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,680
praising generally like what the
movie meant in in the Canon of

505
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,120
the MCU, but like anything else
about the movie making itself

506
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,800
that you want to praise before
we go to break.

507
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600
I, I think that the we already
talked about the acting is, is

508
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,240
witty and sharp and passionate
and good.

509
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,720
I, I really enjoyed the action
scenes in this movie.

510
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Like there was something about
it that this time through it

511
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,120
felt like comic book action.
Does that make sense?

512
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Like I, I've not read a ton of
comic books.

513
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,200
I I've read enough to have a
very vague idea of what comic

514
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,440
book action feels like.
And this movie specifically, you

515
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:02,200
know, this time through just
felt very Wham, bow, plam, plam

516
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800
like all, like all the the old
kind of tropes about what a

517
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,680
comic book looks like.
There were moments throughout

518
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,280
this film where like, you just
see Captain America punching

519
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,880
aliens.
Yeah, and it, it just felt so

520
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,440
comic booky.
Yes.

521
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,680
And also it felt violent.
It was violent.

522
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,240
There was like, you know,
there's a moment in that in that

523
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,480
battle at the end of the movie
where they're on those big like

524
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,680
dune sand worm spaceships riding
through the city and it's a shot

525
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,160
of four and somebody else, maybe
Captain America.

526
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
I don't remember who, but like,
it might have been Iron Man.

527
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,520
They're both just beating aliens
with their fists.

528
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
And I'm like, like, for two
seconds.

529
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,440
I just came out of the
experience of watching this

530
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,040
movie and I was like, what is
this?

531
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,520
This is awesome.
Like, there's just so much pure

532
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,360
joy in just watching these dudes
punch things.

533
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,920
And I didn't have to worry about
like, what are the implications

534
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,000
for the broader cinematic
universe?

535
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,640
It was just like Dude Punch
Alien and that was that was more

536
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
than enough for me.
You talked about Independence

537
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,320
Day vibes.
It almost for me there.

538
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,480
I had a little more of like a
Men in Black vibe.

539
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,480
I was like let's, I don't know,
it's just an alien.

540
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Just punch it, see what happens.
All right, man, I think we're in

541
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
a good spot to take a break.
Let's drink some new riff and

542
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,840
then we'll come back and
actually talk about the movie.

543
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:31,800
What do you say?
Let's get to it all right

544
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,600
everybody, we are drinking new
Rif 8 year old bourbon now Bob,

545
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,240
this is a 100 proof bourbon
coming out of new Rift

546
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,960
distillery, famous for its OK, I
in the early days.

547
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,120
It's been using its own
distillate for a long, pretty

548
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400
long time now.
The interesting thing is that

549
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,840
for so long they have been using
their own like four to six year

550
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,360
distillate.
And this is like the first time

551
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400
New Riff is really going out
there and saying, hey, like we

552
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,200
stand by our product.
We have this eight-year

553
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,040
distillate that we're so excited
for everyone to try.

554
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,240
And I, Bob, I'm, I'm pretty
pumped for it because we, if you

555
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
don't know, yeah.
We do.

556
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680
We've had this one kind of ready
to go for a review for a while

557
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,000
now.
Brad and the logistics of you

558
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,400
and I both getting a chance to
try it just didn't work out when

559
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,200
it first got released.
I'm really glad that we're

560
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840
finally getting around to
drinking it because we do.

561
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520
We love new Rif.
This is basically just an an

562
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360
older, more mature version of
their classic recipe.

563
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,080
And we've always talked about
how we love the the spiciness of

564
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,720
that bottled and bond.
It's one of my favorite bourbons

565
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,760
that you can get pretty much
anywhere at any time for 4045

566
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,400
bucks.
Now this is a 65% corn, 30% rye,

567
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200
5% malted barley mashbill.
So it's a very high rye

568
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600
mashbill.
I'm pretty pumped to try this,

569
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,520
man.
And eight years I think is a

570
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,080
really good point for getting
some mature bourbon notes.

571
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
You know, Brad and I say all the
time, if you're going much over

572
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,560
1012 years, it can be kind of a
crapshoot.

573
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040
And I think that like the seven
to 10 year old range is really

574
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,160
the sweet spot for bourbon. 100%
man.

575
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,320
All right, dude, let's dive in.
You've already drank it.

576
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
I'm drinking it live on air, so
let's hear your tasting notes.

577
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,480
Yeah, Bob on the nose here.
I I feel like you get some

578
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
vanilla, you get some caramel.
It's got the nice classic

579
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240
bourbon notes.
But for me, the two interesting

580
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,920
notes that stood out where there
was some like dry peanut butter,

581
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,000
almost almost like a dry dusty,
like the bottom of a net.

582
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,160
You know, like the the all
natural Smucker's peanut butter

583
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,920
that you have to like, stir.
Yeah, yeah.

584
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,520
Because the oil all separates.
Like when you get to the bottom

585
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,280
of that, the oil's kind of all
gone.

586
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,960
It's just kind of dry and
crusty.

587
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000
That's I'm sure that new rib
wants to hear this this.

588
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Is that is dry peanut butter and
in addition to that I got like a

589
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,440
really nice salty saltine
cracker kind of bready feel to

590
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
it.
It's a unique nose.

591
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,840
It's interesting the I wish the
rye was a little more present.

592
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,160
I got a little bit of that
mintiness on the nose, but not

593
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,080
enough to really stand out.
If that was there, I'd give it a

594
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,960
little higher score, but I'm
sitting at a 7 1/2.

595
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160
This definitely has a different
character than the four year

596
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,800
product, or I should call it the
bottled and bond product.

597
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,160
It's really dusty, but it's
dusty in a good way.

598
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,200
It reminds me of some of that
like.

599
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Dry peanut butter.
No, like sawdusty type notes

600
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,120
that I get on Willett, like the
Willet funk and I I pick up I

601
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,320
pick up that oakiness.
I also pick up a little bit of

602
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,160
floral.
There's there is some rose here

603
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,520
For me.
This was really vanilla heavy

604
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200
and I don't remember new riff
being really vanilla.

605
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
So that's new.
That's a that's a new riff.

606
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Brad is what I'll call it.
But I think this really signals

607
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,440
some good things, so I'm going
to give it an 8.5 on the nose.

608
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,880
As I got into the palate, here
it is, it became way more

609
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,760
herbaceous than it was on the
nose.

610
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,000
There was some salted caramel,
there was some fresh dill, a bit

611
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,159
of like a tart kind of
BlackBerry.

612
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,280
Honestly, Bob, I I like this
decently well.

613
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,320
I think for me, the flavours
were just all over the place and

614
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,960
it felt not in a way that like
married together to make it like

615
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
a nine out of 10.
Like normally I get this many

616
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,800
notes and when they blend
together well, it's like, Oh my

617
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,159
gosh, this is complex and
incredible for me.

618
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,480
This is complex and decent.
I'll, I'll give it a 7 out of

619
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,320
10.
I the audacity here is

620
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,600
incredible.
They are going for a lot and I I

621
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,560
love the way they're swinging
for the fences.

622
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,240
Yeah, man, I'm, I'm in a weird
spot with this one too.

623
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,600
It's really prickly on the
pallet.

624
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,720
It's not harsh, but it
definitely drinks a little bit

625
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,640
hotter than 100 proof.
And it's because there's so much

626
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,840
oakiness.
And like, you know, Brad, I read

627
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680
the press release that they sent
out with this and our friend Jay

628
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Arisman from New Rift was
commenting on how that oak is

629
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,360
kind of like their trademark in
all their products, But it's

630
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,840
really oaky, man.
And it's, it's not just oaky,

631
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,040
but there's a lot of fresh herbs
on this and, and kind of bitter.

632
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Not I wouldn't call it tannic,
but like really herbal, almost

633
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,200
vegetal kind of notes and
coupled with straight vanilla

634
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,840
extract.
Like I, I've never gotten this

635
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,960
much vanilla on a new Rif
product.

636
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,440
It's interesting.
It's really different than what

637
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440
I'm used to.
And it is also kind of different

638
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,200
from the nose.
Part of me wants to say a 6 1/2

639
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,440
here, Brad.
I think I'm going to give them

640
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,280
the benefit of the doubt and
just I'll take a second, third

641
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,960
sip.
I'll give it A7 on the flavor

642
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,760
but it's it's way different than
what I was expecting from the

643
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,280
nose.
Yeah, and as I moved into the

644
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,080
finish, there's some dried
tobacco.

645
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
It's very oaky.
Bob, I'm.

646
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,400
I'm with you.
This one comes across as a

647
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,480
highly oaked bourbon.
The rye finally starts to come

648
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,040
through on the finish.
There's a bit of peppermint.

649
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,760
It's a good finish for me.
It's a little bit of a step up

650
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,600
from the palate, if only because
the the flavors finally

651
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,800
streamline a little bit.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 here.

652
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,240
Yeah.
And I mean, I'm listening to you

653
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,920
talk and it it sounds like
you're pulling your punches a

654
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,240
little bit.
I don't know that you are as

655
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,080
much as I just don't know what
to make of this because when I,

656
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,920
when I hear new riff, I have a
very specific flavor in mind.

657
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,000
And this is just way outside
that wheelhouse for me so far.

658
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,960
It's a really oily and really
long lasting finish.

659
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,120
I'll give it that much, but it's
like it's, it's just really

660
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,040
herbal, man.
I'll I'll give it A7 on the

661
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,480
finish.
I'm also going to give it A7 on

662
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000
the balance.
And that takes us to value where

663
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Brad, I actually did not look up
the price of this.

664
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,760
Do you know what it what it is
in Ohio and elsewhere?

665
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,200
I do, it is $68.
OK, so we've been kind of

666
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,080
kicking around this year this
idea of once you start getting

667
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,400
into higher aged products, you
pay $10.00 for every year that

668
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,960
it's been aged.
And you know our friend Wes was

669
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,240
talking about that with like
some 15 year old product.

670
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,760
Now that would mean that this
should be $80.00 and at that

671
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,960
point this is a steal.
This is a little bit of a

672
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,400
bargain, Brad.
I think just frankly for me in

673
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,200
my flavor wheelhouse, I still
prefer the regular old bottled

674
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,280
and Bond bourbon to this and
that's like 40 to $45.00.

675
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,240
I can understand obviously why
this is 20 something dollars

676
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:48,960
more expensive.
It's double the age.

677
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,040
I'm sure the batches are
considerably smaller.

678
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,960
I don't think this is a bad
value, just in terms of where

679
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,600
the price is set.
I just don't know that I would

680
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,640
pay $68 for this.
I think I would.

681
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,240
I would for myself stick with
the $45.00 bottled and bond.

682
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,720
And because of that I'm just
going to give this 6 1/2 on the

683
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,680
value.
Oh man, I I think that all of

684
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,440
your thoughts on value are
accurate, Bob.

685
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,800
I'm just comparing it to what I
can buy for $68 in the whiskey

686
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,160
world.
And, and to be frank, I think I

687
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,600
can get a lot of better whiskey.
Bob I, I, I and I don't mean

688
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,360
that as a slight to New Riff.
I like, I love New Riff.

689
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,280
I think this is a good product.
But I think this is a good

690
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,080
product at like 50 to $55.
Yeah, I just like, is there

691
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,000
anyone selling 8 year old
whiskey for $55?

692
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,680
I don't know.
That's the thing, like I'm with

693
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,120
you.
If you just sat this in front of

694
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520
me and said how much would you
pay for this based on taste,

695
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,840
100% Brad.
But then you have to think of

696
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,280
like is there an 8 year old
product out there that's like 8

697
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,240
year old Age stated, not just
there's probably some 8 year old

698
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,920
stuff in the blend that is
selling for 50 bucks.

699
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680
I don't know.
I I don't either.

700
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Well, you should be the first
new riff.

701
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480
I'm going to be the I'll be the
harsh 1 here, Bob.

702
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,200
I think this is a four out of 10
value.

703
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,400
Yeah, I don't think this is a
bad whiskey.

704
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,360
And I mean, my score even
reflects that this is a 36 for

705
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,200
me out of 50, which would put me
into like the, you know, slight

706
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,520
thumbs up recommend category.
Brad, where are you coming out

707
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,640
out of 50 on this?
I'm at a 33 out of 50, but wait,

708
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,600
like with the four out of 10,
I'm at a 29 out of 40 on the

709
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,240
tasting categories.
So like I, I'm close to that 75

710
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,680
out of 100 range just based on
the, the taste and and that

711
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,640
would put it into solid like
silver, maybe gold medal status.

712
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:48,160
If I was, you know, judging this
at the competition, like it like

713
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,560
it's a solid bourbon.
I I just don't want to pay that

714
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,680
much money.
I mean, listen, I, I think our

715
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,320
relationship, not even our
relationship, our, I guess

716
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,520
preference for new Riff has been
pretty established here on the

717
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,840
podcast.
We like this brand a lot and

718
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,640
we've probably tried, gosh, I
don't know, both of the bottled

719
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,480
and bonds.
We tried the single barrel.

720
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:13,040
We've had a couple different
variants where we drank like two

721
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,040
different corns that they used
in in their process and so like.

722
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,120
I don't know, this is like our
6th, 7th, 8th new Rif product on

723
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,120
the show, Brad.
And like you know, if, if I can

724
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,840
speak freely, this might be like
towards the bottom of the ones

725
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,760
that I liked, but it's still a
36 for me.

726
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Like this is just nothing bad
about new Rif or the product

727
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520
itself.
I just think that when I'm

728
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,240
ranking out which ones am I
going to buy to go on my shelf?

729
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,200
I've I'm looking right now at a
bottle of the bottled and bond

730
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,560
bourbon and I think that that is
still one of the best values you

731
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,840
can get in bourbon at $40. 100%
in every way shape and form.

732
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,840
Go buy some new Rift.
Go try their single barrels that

733
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,320
they put out like there.
There is so much great whiskey

734
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,880
coming out of new new Rift
distillery.

735
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about The Avengers.

736
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:10,840
What do you say?
Let's get to it all right

737
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,920
everybody, That was new Rif 8
year old bourbon Bob.

738
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,360
Are you ready to get your ass
just handed to you in two facts

739
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,320
and a falsehood?
Listen man, I want that winning

740
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,160
season.
I'm going for it this year dude.

741
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,880
I need one more win to secure a
500 season and I'm going to get

742
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,320
there today Brad at our next
game. 2 facts and a falsehood.

743
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:40,000
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball. 2 All right and what

744
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,120
is wrong?
2 Facts and a falsehood.

745
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,440
Two Facts and a falsehood is the
part of the show where Brad

746
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,120
presents me with three items as
fact about the making of this

747
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,720
movie, one of which is a
complete lie.

748
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,800
Brad, as I said, I am at 15 and
9 on the season.

749
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,040
Lucky for you I did nothing but
read comic books growing up, so

750
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,440
I'm totally going to ace this. 2
facts and a falsehood.

751
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,440
I think I kind of based it
around that, that reality, Bob.

752
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,240
All right, Brad, go ahead and
hit me with him.

753
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,160
Fact number one Samuel L
Jackson's Nick Fury is from the

754
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Ultimate Marvel Universe,
created in 2000 to reimagine an

755
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,200
update the Marvel heroes for the
21st century.

756
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Fury's likeness in the comic was
actually based on Jackson, who

757
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,680
gave Marvel permission to do so.
Fact #2 Thanos is originally

758
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,720
featured as the leader of the
Chitauri in 1987's Avengers

759
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:42,360
comic book titled And The Claw
Shall Inherit the Earth.

760
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920
In early reads of the script,
director Joss Whedon suggested

761
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,280
that Thanos was better suited as
the overall villain,

762
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520
orchestrating things behind the
scenes, which led to his role as

763
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,560
the primary antagonist for the
series.

764
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,320
Fact number three among
Coulson's collection of Captain

765
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,880
America cards is a reproduction
of Captain America's very first

766
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,160
comic book appearance, in which
he punches Adolf Hitler.

767
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,400
OK, point of clarification on on
#1 Did you say that that's the

768
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,280
first appearance of Nick Fury or
just that when they used him in

769
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,280
that 2000 something series they
used?

770
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,840
Because I'm pretty sure Nick
Fury's an older character than

771
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,600
that.
So I just want to make sure I

772
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,520
heard the reference correctly.
Yes, he was.

773
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,720
He was a part of the Ultimate
Marvel Universe, which was, you

774
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,520
know, a sub series of of the
universe created in 2000.

775
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,680
OK.
But are you saying that that was

776
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,840
his first appearance or that he
was just part of that thing?

777
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,720
Fact number one, Samuel L
Jackson's Nick Fury is from the

778
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,840
ultimate Marvel Universe.
This.

779
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Is what I don't know.
Created in 2000, I.

780
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,600
I mean, maybe he was, maybe that
was a run of comics.

781
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,040
I'm pretty sure Nick Fury is a
white guy from like the 60s.

782
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,480
And so, like, that's what I'm
trying to figure out is did you

783
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,080
just pull a fact about Nick Fury
off of the Internet that is

784
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,440
referencing a specific run of
comics where they did model him

785
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,200
after Samuel L Jackson?
Or did you make this up because

786
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,120
you don't know anything about
Nick Fury?

787
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,360
That's a great question, Bob.
How much do I know about comic

788
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,000
books?
Well, I mean tons, obviously.

789
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,040
So, so much.
So it's, I think it's either one

790
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,440
or two and I just don't know.
Again, like I don't know if one

791
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,920
is something that you concocted
or not.

792
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,800
I'm going to say I know for a
fact that Nick Fury is an older

793
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,400
character than the early 2000s.
So I'm going to say one's the

794
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,880
falsehood because regardless of
if it's the falsehood you wrote

795
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,520
or not, it is false.
Bob, you have tied yourself into

796
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,800
a knot over over fact number one
and gotten this question wrong.

797
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,520
I didn't though.
Oh you did?

798
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,880
I mean, maybe he was part of it.
The way it's worded made it

799
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,320
sound like his earliest
appearance was in that run of

800
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,440
comics as.
As best as I can tell, the

801
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Samuel L Jackson version of Nick
Fury is from the Ultimate Marvel

802
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,880
Universe created.
That might be that might be

803
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,400
true.
Now, you should have said it

804
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,120
that way when I asked you to
clarify.

805
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,640
I read the fact as it was
written by written not by me,

806
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,960
written by a user of IMDb.
All right, so was 2 the

807
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
falsehood.
Two was the falsehood.

808
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,280
Darn it.
Although there is.

809
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,400
I did look up random comic book
titles and I thought the title

810
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,720
and the Claw shall inherit the
Earth.

811
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,840
It's a good one, man.
All right, you got me on a

812
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,520
technicality again.
Hold on, what we we're we're

813
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,720
also skipping over the fact that
Captain America's first

814
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,080
appearance in a comic book is
him punching Adolf Him.

815
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,240
I'm pretty sure it's like the
cover of the comic.

816
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,200
Have you ever seen?
I've seen that picture before.

817
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,240
No, I have not.
I think that's like the greatest

818
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,200
thing.
It's amazing.

819
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,360
I mean that had to be either
during World War Two or like

820
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,600
right after.
Oh yeah 100% and they make

821
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,720
reference to it in the first
Captain America movie too, so.

822
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,080
It's real good.
That's that's just beautiful.

823
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,800
All right, Brad.
Well, you have gotten me at this

824
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,440
game this week, but this is
something that was completely

825
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,280
unbeknownst to you.
I made-up a game for you to play

826
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,240
this week.
Since we're since we're.

827
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,400
Dipping our toe into the MCU for
the first time this season.

828
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Brad, I I'm going to play a
quick game with you.

829
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,160
I have a list of 10 actors here
and we're going to play.

830
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Were they or were they not in
the MCU?

831
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,160
Now the MCU I'm excited is very
expansive.

832
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,520
There's a lot of cameos, there's
a lot of one off characters.

833
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,560
What I am basing this on is just
the films.

834
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
No TV shows, no extra extraneous
crap.

835
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,720
Was this person in the MCU, yes
or no?

836
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,680
OK.
Can I ask one one question?

837
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Yeah.
Is it end game and previous or

838
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,440
does it include?
I know you said no TV shows but

839
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,800
any of the movies post end game?
Because I have zero clue of

840
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,000
anything post end game.
Yes, some of them are post end

841
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,880
game so you just have to take
your best guess here.

842
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:28,200
All right, I'm ready.
All right #1 John C Riley, is he

843
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120
in the MCU?
Yeah.

844
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,840
He is in the Guardians of the.
Galaxy, he sure is good.

845
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,400
Job final answer.
Alex Trebek.

846
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,800
All right, you got that one
correct.

847
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,640
John C Riley in the MCU #2 Tommy
Lee Jones.

848
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,840
No.
Incorrect.

849
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Tommy Lee Jones is the the drill
Sergeant in the first Captain

850
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,640
America movie.
Is he?

851
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,920
Oh, he is.
Oh my.

852
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Good.
Yeah, 'cause it's when they do

853
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,240
the whole, this guy's a runt, he
sucks, he can't do anything.

854
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,120
Then they throw a grenade.
Tommy Lee Jones.

855
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,120
That's a that's a good role for
Tommy and the MCU.

856
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,880
All right #3 Benicio del Toro.
Oh, he's got to be in it.

857
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,200
He he's, he's all in his Star
Wars MCU phase.

858
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,480
I'm gonna say yes.
He is.

859
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,960
He's in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Oh man, 222 and one right now,

860
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,920
baby.
Two and one, you ready for the

861
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,560
next one?
I'm ready.

862
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Tilda Swinton.
Oh, not that I know of.

863
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,560
I'm gonna say no.
Tilda Swinton is the main bad

864
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,720
guy in the first Doctor Strange
movie.

865
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,320
See, that's I've never seen any
of the Doctor Strange movies.

866
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,320
Yeah, they suck.
You're not missing.

867
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,240
So there you go all.
Right, Brad, you're at Tune 2.

868
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Stanley Tucci in the MCU or not?
I feel like he should be.

869
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,000
Regardless of if he is.
I'm going to say yes.

870
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,720
He strikes me as like one of the
douche bags in Guardians of the

871
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,880
Galaxy 2.
That's the gold people like I, I

872
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,880
feel like he belongs in that
group.

873
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,720
He is in the MCU, he plays like
the, I want to say he's like a

874
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,680
Jewish doctor in the first
Captain America.

875
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,000
He develops the serum and then,
and then.

876
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,720
Promptly gets shot.
Yeah, nailed it, Stanley.

877
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,040
Good job.
All right, Christoph Waltz.

878
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,800
No, he is not in MCU.
He is not in the MCU.

879
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,600
He did play a bad guy in James
Bond in the last 10 years

880
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,320
though.
So there you go.

881
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,840
I was.
Going to say the the MCU doesn't

882
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,040
deserve Kristoff Waltz.
Sylvester Stallone.

883
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,240
Yes, I think he shows up in
Guardians of the Galaxy 2HE.

884
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,360
Does right at the very end.
I didn't know if you'd remember

885
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,640
that.
Nailed it.

886
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,920
What a great movie.
I dude the last five minutes of

887
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,720
Guardians two.
Freaking freaking great.

888
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,920
Filmmaking freaking great Keanu
Reeves.

889
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,200
No.
You said that pretty

890
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,760
confidently.
Yep.

891
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,960
You are correct.
Nailed it.

892
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,520
OK, Jeff Goldblum.
Yes, he's in Ragnarok.

893
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,200
Man, see, I thought that that
would be either the easiest win

894
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,640
or the easiest loss.
That was the easiest win.

895
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,840
Matt Damon.
Oh, that's a good one.

896
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,120
I don't think he's in the MCU.
I'm going to say no.

897
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,920
He sure is.
And he's in Ragnarok.

898
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,960
There's a little scene at the
beginning where Loki is watching

899
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,600
like a play of his own story,
and it's full of cameos and Matt

900
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,760
Damon is playing I think 4 and
that, yeah.

901
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,840
He is that.
You're 100% right.

902
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,800
That's wild.
All right, last one.

903
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,520
You ready?
I'm ready.

904
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,720
Ryan Gosling.
No, there's no way Ryan Gosling

905
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:11,440
is the end is in the MCU.
Brad what?

906
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,080
You're right, he's not in the
MCU.

907
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,160
OK, OK.
I was going to say I'm like, I

908
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,320
don't.
I can't.

909
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,880
He feels like he should fit in
the MCU, but he.

910
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,640
Yeah, no.
You came out with a winning

911
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,240
record on that one man.
Six and five.

912
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,320
Nicely done.
Hey, thanks man.

913
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,720
So that's today's were they or
were they not in the MCU?

914
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,320
It's crazy the amount of people
who have been in this thing at

915
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,760
this point, dude, like I, I was
cutting names off the list, but

916
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,840
like Annette Benning, Oscar
nominated actress, she's in the

917
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,080
MCU.
You know, Cate Blanchett, she's

918
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,920
in the MCU.
I don't think Kate Winslet has

919
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,160
been in the MCU.
Thank God.

920
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Can I can I tell you about one
of the famed actresses and the

921
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,800
conversation we had about her as
I watched?

922
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,560
Oh, what was it?
So Long story short, my friends

923
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,480
and I are watching one of the
Marvel movies that contained

924
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Gwyneth Paltrow and it quickly
devolved from watching said

925
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Marvel movie into looking up her
gold plated dildo.

926
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Yeah, dude, on her website.
You know what's funny is I was,

927
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,680
I don't even mean to interrupt
your story.

928
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,000
I'm watching this movie and I'm
like, God bless it.

929
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,480
She's so charming and it's so
weird to think about how

930
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,480
everything I've seen about her
online in the last 10 years has

931
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,000
involved her vagina somehow.
Like like she's sticking eggs up

932
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,600
there, she's sticking gold
plated.

933
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,640
They like, what is going on?
Like why can't I just enjoy your

934
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,320
acting, Gwyneth Paltrow?
Oh man, yeah, it was.

935
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,400
It was a wild conversation
because it took up a solid hour

936
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,160
because my buddy Steven and I
are both like aware of her

937
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:56,240
wildly strange online store and
our yeah goop and our wives were

938
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,600
not and we took them down the
rabbit hole.

939
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,480
That's always an awkward
position when you when you're

940
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,040
more familiar with Gwyneth
Paltrow's gynecological problems

941
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:11,080
than than the women in the room.
It was it was a heck of an

942
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,640
evening.
Oh, I bet it was, man.

943
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,040
All right, back to The Avengers.
I just have to put myself in the

944
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,560
shoes of a listener right now
who has never heard of this.

945
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Do yourself a favour, Google it.
It's one of the wildest things

946
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,360
you'll ever see.
I mean, first of all, like it

947
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,120
sounds risky enough.
Just Googling the phrase Gwyneth

948
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,680
Paltrow goop, like that just
sounds like it's going to lead

949
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,480
you to some weird spots.
And believe me, it does, but not

950
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,040
in the ways you'd expect.
And on that note, back to the

951
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,680
movie, Brad.
Yeah, yeah.

952
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Probably should actually talk
about Avengers.

953
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,520
We haven't talked about this
movie like at all.

954
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,320
And I feel like we're almost
done with the episode.

955
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,800
I I do want to keep talking
about the performances a little

956
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,280
bit because it's it's kind of a
minor miracle how well these

957
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,640
characters fit into or the
actors fit into the characters.

958
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,760
Obviously Robert Downey Junior
is going to get all the love and

959
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,520
I feel like they caught him in
this movie at the perfect place.

960
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,880
Because I, I can't remember if
this is before or after Iron Man

961
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,080
3, but I think this is just his
third time as Tony Stark.

962
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,400
And I think he's really got the
character down to where he's a

963
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,120
Dick, but a a Dick with a good
heart and he's not annoying yet.

964
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,960
It's like that sweet spot of
Jack Sparrow Ness where the 1st

965
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,360
movie with Jack Sparrow's really
good and then they all kind of

966
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,280
taper off from there.
That's a that's a good, you

967
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,480
know.
What I mean, like when you play

968
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,840
a character 48 times in a movie,
after a while it just, it gets

969
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,480
old and it hasn't gotten old
yet.

970
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,840
But every time I watch The
Avengers movies, I don't think

971
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,400
these movies work without Chris
Evans as Captain America, a guy

972
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,120
who does not get enough credit
as an actor in general.

973
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,040
But man, that is a really easy
part to mess up.

974
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,720
And it would throw the balance
of this entire team off if

975
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Captain America isn't not only
believable, but likable.

976
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,600
And Chris Evans really nails it,
man.

977
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Yeah, sincerity, like the, the,
the ensemble needs a sincere

978
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,800
character who really believes in
what they're doing.

979
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,840
And like, even when he starts to
doubt The Avengers Initiative

980
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,040
and, you know, SHIELD as a
whole, it's not because of some

981
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:28,000
like internal doubting himself.
It's because he has this, you

982
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,520
know, almost like a Batman
strict set of morals and codes.

983
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,920
And part of that is not lying.
And he's like, well, you've been

984
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,080
lying to me and using this for
something that I didn't know it

985
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,640
was being used for.
So now I'm angry.

986
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,880
And like, that's the type of
firm convictions that, you know,

987
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,800
an ensemble of wild wackadoo
characters needs to keep them

988
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,480
grounded.
And I'm with you.

989
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,200
I I think Chris Evan kills it
here.

990
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,400
I have now seen the film Furiosa
two times in the movie theater

991
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,560
and Chris Hemsworth, I think
should be Oscar nominated for

992
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,120
that movie.
He's so good in it.

993
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,400
And it's funny to go back to the
early four days because not only

994
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,800
do I think that they they did
not know what to do with this

995
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,480
character, but Hemsworth has
just really come a long way as

996
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,400
an actor.
And I think that in this movie,

997
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,600
he's not bad by any stretch of
the imagination, but he's also

998
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,760
it's like one of the more
forgettable appearances of Thor,

999
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,160
you know what I mean?
Because they still don't quite

1000
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,360
know.
Neither of the first two Thor

1001
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,640
movies really worked and
audiences weren't clicking with

1002
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,080
him.
And it's kind of a ballsy move

1003
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,240
to make Loki and Thor the focal
point of the good versus bad in

1004
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:43,360
this movie.
And, you know, I think he holds

1005
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,840
his own, but it's really fun to
see how far he's come since

1006
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,840
since 2012, too.
I don't know, man, I I kind of

1007
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,480
like him here.
Like I think that he, like you

1008
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,680
said, he still has enough of
that Shakespearean vibe that it

1009
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440
it offsets him and sets him
apart from the rest of the

1010
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,840
characters.
Whereas by the end of the

1011
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,680
universe he just kind of feels
like a carbon copy of half the

1012
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,120
other heroes.
I I kind of enjoy the vibe you

1013
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,880
get here where he's taking
everything way too seriously.

1014
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,080
That that works for me, man.
I'm a big fan.

1015
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Yeah, I just like I like him
better here than I do when he

1016
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,840
becomes like fat Thor in in end
Game.

1017
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,960
I'm not looking forward to
talking about that dude, not at

1018
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,480
all.
So this.

1019
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,960
Marvel movies, Do we have to
talk?

1020
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,280
About too many.
This movie does have some very

1021
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,320
iconic shots, and they're not
really iconic because of the

1022
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,040
shot.
They're iconic because of like

1023
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,160
what's happening in the shot, if
that makes sense.

1024
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,680
Like, I don't think this movie
is framed very well or shot very

1025
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,280
well, but you do get one of my
favorite moments in the entire

1026
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,800
MCU, which is Bruce Banner
saying, that's my secret, Cap.

1027
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,800
I'm always angry and then
freaking Wheeling around and

1028
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,400
turning, Oh, it's so good.
Oh man.

1029
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,760
And then that goes directly into
the iconic kind of 360 circle

1030
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,280
shot where you finally get all
six of our heroes standing

1031
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,440
back-to-back and fighting off
the evil forces.

1032
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,840
And it and it plays that
Avengers theme over them for the

1033
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,600
first time as like a united
front.

1034
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,920
And boy oh boy, first of all, I
love the freaking Avengers

1035
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,280
theme, dude.
It's so good.

1036
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,320
It's so freaking good.
It's it's.

1037
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Incredible.
And it feels like old school

1038
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,480
movie making.
It's like one of the last times

1039
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,680
I can remember a new character
being introduced in movies.

1040
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,200
And in this case, it's, you
know, 6 characters getting their

1041
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
own musical theme.
That's like a John Williams

1042
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,400
style theme, yes.
Like it feels a little cheesy

1043
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,840
and I love that.
It feels like a Saturday morning

1044
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,200
cartoon, kind of like these
people get their own theme

1045
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,640
music.
They don't freaking do that

1046
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,000
anymore and I wish they did.
Yeah, no, I mean, they just

1047
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,200
repackaged that theme over and
over and over again for the rest

1048
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,440
of the the MCU and it it's just
not interesting the 17th time.

1049
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,520
But here watching it for the
first time again, like it felt

1050
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,280
so fresh and original and
triumphant.

1051
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,240
Yeah, I like there's this joyful
triumph to the theme that I

1052
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,400
don't know.
And and when you pair it with

1053
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,160
the the camera circle around the
six of them as they like pose

1054
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
for their action shot, it's just
well done.

1055
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Six is the perfect number of
Avengers.

1056
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,200
Like it's just enough that we
care about them.

1057
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,120
And there's already two that
suck like Black Widow and

1058
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,960
Hawkeye.
They don't do anything.

1059
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,760
You don't add anything to the
party here, but we're OK with

1060
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,240
you tagging along because the
other four are so cool.

1061
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,800
And, and it's like the second
that you start introducing, I

1062
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,920
think it's an Age of Ultron that
you start bringing in Scarlet

1063
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,760
Witch and Quicksilver and like,
I don't care about these people

1064
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,240
anymore, bro.
Like give me my 6 originals and

1065
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,200
you know, some, some crappy
cameo from Robin Scherbatsky

1066
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,720
over here in the corner and then
like and then we're good, you

1067
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,320
know?
Robin Scherbatsky not a great

1068
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,600
actress.
She is not no.

1069
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,200
And and it maybe it's because
I've seen her on How I Met Your

1070
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,160
Mother so much and there's so
many episodes of that where they

1071
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,040
are pretending to be serious as
like a joke.

1072
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,880
She's one of those actresses now
where like when I watch her

1073
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,840
actually try to be serious in an
action movie or something, I'm

1074
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,600
like, OK, again, where's the
punchline?

1075
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,080
The punchline's coming
somewhere, right?

1076
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Not, not believable.
Samuel L Jackson, however,

1077
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,720
really good and and he's been, I
want to say he's been in

1078
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,680
conservatively 78 movies as Nick
Fury now.

1079
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,320
Oh man.
This is one of the best ones.

1080
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,200
It's so good.
I I love Samuel Jackson in this

1081
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,360
movie.
I, I think he just gives such a

1082
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:54,000
great performance from the lens
of trying to hold a barely

1083
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,200
floating ship together like
that.

1084
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,880
I think that's, that's what I
enjoy most about this is that

1085
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:06,240
they really nail that element of
like this whole Avengers thing

1086
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,640
is a crapshoot and it's only the
will of Nick Fury that's keeping

1087
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,680
it together.
And they admit that he is

1088
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,360
manipulative and he is tugging
at the heartstrings of each

1089
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,360
individual Avenger in a way that
manipulates them to doing what

1090
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,120
they need to do for the greater
good.

1091
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,280
And I, I like that.
I I like that level of him as a

1092
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,240
mastermind.
All right, dude, it's time for

1093
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,960
us to get into our last segment
of the day, which we call let's

1094
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,720
make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1095
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,080
episode, so thanks for listening
to the film and Whiskey Show.

1096
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,120
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's struggle.

1097
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,720
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1098
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,760
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1099
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,880
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1100
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,960
feature?
Brad, I've had some struggles

1101
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,080
trying to pinpoint what the best
movie to pair this with is,

1102
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,840
'cause I don't want to pick
another Marvel movie.

1103
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,560
But like, there's a vaguely
familiar sense through the whole

1104
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,040
film that I'm like, this feels
like a, a warm blanket.

1105
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,320
It's the kind of movie that I've
seen 100 times, done 100

1106
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,960
different with, you know, 100
different sets of characters.

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01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,680
And then I, I'm like, OK, but
like, what's the one that it

1108
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,640
reminds me of most?
And I can't think of a single

1109
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,640
name.
So.

1110
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,440
So like, I'm really interested
to hear what you picked 'cause

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01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:28,800
I'm still struggling over here.
I am going to pick, I'm going to

1112
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,640
go old school.
I I think it would be fun to

1113
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,520
kind of see the origin of
superhero movies.

1114
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,360
I'm actually going to go with
1970 Eights Christopher Reeve

1115
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,640
starring Superman.
Why is that?

1116
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,560
I just think it'd be fun, like,
like, go back in time, see what

1117
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,480
superhero movies were in kind of
the origin period.

1118
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,160
You know, maybe if you want to
make it a triple feature, go

1119
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,360
from the 70s into the late 80s
and watch, you know, the Batman

1120
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:05,040
and then jump right back in and
hit up The Avengers from 2012.

1121
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,720
I want to say Independence Day
because there's a lot of

1122
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Independence Day happening here,
but I think I'm going to go with

1123
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,320
the movie that we've, between
the two of us, I think we've

1124
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,280
already mentioned at least twice
in our Let's Make it a Double

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01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,360
this season.
And it's Pixar's The Incredibles

1126
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,680
'cause if you're talking about a
team building movie where by the

1127
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,640
time they all finally meet up as
a team and they've all embraced

1128
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,280
their powers, you get that
iconic shot of them finally all

1129
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,440
flexing together for the first
time too.

1130
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,320
And I think that it's a similar
kind of high.

1131
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,720
It's like, man, I freaking love
these characters before they

1132
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,840
even became superheroes.
I love these characters and I'm

1133
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,000
ready for them to kick ass now.
And I'm like on board with them.

1134
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,240
And I think that that's kind of
what's missing in superhero

1135
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,560
Movies Now.
It it's almost a baseline

1136
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,520
expectation of you already are
supposed to love this comic and

1137
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,560
therefore we don't have to make
you want to love this character.

1138
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Whereas these movies, you know,
there's like an hour of this

1139
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,800
movie that's just strictly build
up to the payoff.

1140
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,520
And it's not even really build
up.

1141
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,000
It's build up.
It's just like, hey, what if we

1142
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,640
threw a bunch of established
characters in a room and then

1143
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,440
watched them bicker until they
sorted out their problems?

1144
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,120
And it's fun, but it takes its
time to get to the payoff.

1145
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,520
And I think that that's it's
something that it shares in

1146
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,800
common with The Incredibles.
And I think that's why I love

1147
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:25,720
both movies.
Brad.

1148
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,560
Yeah, Bob, I think that's a
great pairing.

1149
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,440
Like I can't imagine a more fun
night than sitting down and

1150
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,000
watching The Incredibles and
Avengers.

1151
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,880
All right, well, on that note,
let's give this movie some final

1152
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:37,760
scores.
Brad.

1153
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,400
We've been talking about how
much we love it.

1154
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,520
We made it sound like it's a 10
out of 10.

1155
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,080
I don't think it is a 10 out of
10.

1156
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,640
I think it's a little bit long.
I think it takes a long time to

1157
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,120
get going.
I think it looks like ATV show.

1158
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,480
But damn it if this isn't like
the most perfect eight out of 10

1159
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,280
movie.
I don't even know if I'd call it

1160
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,960
an 8.5.
It's an 8.

1161
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,160
But I don't regret watching this
ever.

1162
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,440
Like it's just a freaking fun
movie.

1163
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,680
It it just reminds me of old
school movie making and I love

1164
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,680
that about it.
It's only 12 years old and it

1165
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,240
feels like it's from a bygone
era.

1166
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,680
And yeah, I'm.
I'm really grateful and glad

1167
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,800
that I got to watch this today.
Brad 8 out of 10 for.

1168
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,600
Me, I'm I'm 100% with you, Bob 8
out of 10 really fun movie,

1169
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:26,360
great superheroes with witty
lines, so much fun dialogue in

1170
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,400
this movie and and great action
scenes and, and that's, that's

1171
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,240
kind of all I want.
And like even let's just take

1172
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,440
the the end credits scenes that
that MCU became so famous for.

1173
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,160
Like the end credits scene in
this movie is them, yes, you get

1174
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,520
a little bit of Thanos, but it's
them eating shawarma and it's

1175
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,520
great.
And I just that like that's

1176
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,640
character building and I I like
that.

1177
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,200
All right, so that's it from us.
We have given this movie an 8

1178
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,040
out of 10 on average.
Are we way off base or you know,

1179
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,880
I, I guess MCU stands come for
us in the comments or whatever,

1180
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,400
but we gave it an 8.
We like this movie a lot.

1181
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,720
Tell us what you think of the
first Avengers film.

1182
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,360
You can find us on all of our
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1183
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,160
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1184
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,880
Or you can jump on the Discord.
Over on our Discord server, we

1185
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,080
are having conversations every
single day about movies,

1186
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,840
whiskey, and a wide host of
other things.

1187
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,200
If you want to join the
conversation, you can find a

1188
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,160
link to our Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

1189
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,600
notes.
Brad, I have good news and bad

1190
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,280
news about next week's episode.
The bad news is we're watching

1191
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,400
the movie Frozen, a film that I
have actively tried to avoid

1192
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,000
watching for like 11 years now.
I.

1193
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:49,400
I watched that movie once in the
barn after I graduated.

1194
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,120
I was visiting my then fiance.
Wait, can you give some context

1195
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,280
for what is the barn?
Just make it sound like you were

1196
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,600
in a barn somewhere.
If if you've been to Malone,

1197
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,200
then you know what the barn is.
That's that's fair.

1198
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,520
We're watching this.
And I literally got done and I

1199
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,920
was like, can can I never watch
that again?

1200
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,640
And Haley was like, yeah, honey,
you don't have to watch that

1201
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,880
ever.
You.

1202
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,480
Do have to watch it again,
honey.

1203
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,880
You are making me watch this
again.

1204
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,840
I did what your wife never
could, man forced you to.

1205
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,600
Watch.
Don't like that phrase?

1206
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,920
So that's the bad news.
The good news, Brad, it's our

1207
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,360
250th movie on film and whiskey
you.

1208
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,480
Made us watch pros.
I didn't make anything.

1209
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,400
The viewers of the American
public watched this in 20. 13 I

1210
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,960
am not blaming the American
public, I'm blaming you.

1211
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,720
You're listening.
OK, let's say it this way.

1212
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,720
To all of our listeners, next
week is the 250th episode that

1213
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,880
you will have heard.
Brad, if you want to consider

1214
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,960
our test episode on Anchorman to
be episode one, then The

1215
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,080
Avengers was our 250th movie.
So there you go.

1216
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,760
I like that.
I like that a lot more at let's,

1217
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,040
let's hear it.
If you listened to our test

1218
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,840
episode before we took it down a
few years ago, reach out, let us

1219
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,360
know.
I want to know who has listened

1220
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,840
to that episode.
Brad, I think at the end of the

1221
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,680
day, my friend Elsa would tell
you to let it go and we will see

1222
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,800
you next week for Frozen.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1223
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,439
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.